Tomorrow - Episode 18: Paul Ford and the Death Databases

Episode Date: August 8, 2015

With Magnus (Josh's producer, who is Swedish) out for the day, Josh and Paul Ford get free rein in the Tomorrow studio. The conversation bounces between Paul's new column on databases, to people misunderstanding the concept of free speech, on to Spotify's inefficient shuffle function, the current state of the Republican Party, and so so so much more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I guess today is a fan favorite, and frankly, the first person ever to be on the show three times, it's of course Paul Ford. Hey, thank you for having me here. Thank you for being here. I'm on tomorrow. Thank you for being here. You just, it sounded like you were going down into the...

That's my, that's my thank you for having me. You're going down into the... I just, I like it, but my throat overgonna, so my throat is... Yeah, now right before, now right before Paul and I got started, well, before we started rolling, we were talking about Batman and Bane. And, you know, I realized,

I hadn't been so long since I heard Bane. I did a Bane voice last time Paul was on, but I kind of didn't really remember what Bane sound like. We didn't know. We got Batman, because Batman just could, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, it's lower than that, I think. Yeah, yeah. But Bane actually sounds really ridiculous. We got Batman because Batman just Good Lower than that

But Bane actually sounds really ridiculous. We just listened to Bane and he's like he's like I'll have a key with two sugar Batman, you know, he's very like I have obtained a lot of from the East India company Like a weird he's like a guy with a waxed mustache Yeah, what's that you know what he doesn't want you to see out of the mask is his fancy mustache That's exactly no, I mean underneath that he's just straight. He's like a guy with a waxed mustache. You know what he doesn't want you to see out of the mask is his fancy mustache. That's exactly, no, I mean underneath that, he's just a tough. Anyhow, we should get that out of the way.

All right, so we have drinks here. We have to kill in line. To kill us. Should we shoot these to kilos to get this thing started? Let's do this thing. Let's go. Wait, what are you doing? I'm just holding the line in my hand.

What do you do with the line? Don't you suck the line after you do the shine? Yeah, you're right. All right, so we should toast. You want toast?. Don't you suck the lime after you do the shine? Yeah, you're right, you're right. I was so excited. We should toast. You want toast? To tomorrow. Yeah. Oh, thank you.

I love where alcohol that I sit that lime. Wow, it's a lot more alcohol than I expected. Narekhar engineer just told me that, by the way, Magnus, my Swedish producer is not here today. He would have let that happen. Be with his kid on her birthday, which is a bullshit, as far as I'm concerned, but our engineer just told me who prepared these.

Delightful. Delightful, just swear it. It's a shot and a half, apparently. Shot and a half that went down like silk. Like silk in your mouth, which seems like it would be uncomfortable. No, no, do you ever had mouth silk? Really good stuff. Oh, the, yeah, from the Bali. Yes, it's just great. You get the, you know, the bugs are almost cute. But you know, the thing about bugs is that, you know, by the way, I live in the country now, yeah, where I'm surrounded by disgusting impacts. I mean, can I just tell you as like a guy, as, I mean, you guys know me, as who I am.

I, by the way, I like bugs. We don't kill bugs in our family. Our policy is to, I try to escort them outside, if I find. A accommodation. I try to get them either outside or into a place where I don't have to look at them or think that they're crawling on me. You know, like a corner of the room that I'm not gonna be near.

Fair enough. Because the bug won't ever be able to get back towards me. I mean, once I move it, anyhow, but bugs out where we live now, it is like the wild west, if the wild west, instead of having cowboys were full of gigantic, it was full of gigantic bugs. Okay. I'm listening. I'm listening to this.

Anyhow, that's it. That's all I have to say. I still like the mom. There's a monster spider in my living room a few weeks ago. Did you name it? Yeah, monster. We had a mouse. We had a mouse at once that we named Barton.

Yeah, a mouse to me is nothing, okay. We've got a full on. We have a fox that comes into our yard. In your yard? It's not like in your house. Well, it's an old knock once in a while. I saw a beautiful cook. Can it make a lot more of this?

Can it make a dress? It does an amazing, actually, like a soy lentil reduction. Oh, yeah. I can't have that. Yeah, because you're allergy. No, I told you. But when you live in the country, you start to get to have a different relationship

with animals. How would you quantify the difference? There's just a lot more of them. There's just a lot more. Like in the city, you've got some cockroaches. You've got, I mean, you have a few, probably. Dogs. You have a dog or whatever.

You probably have some mice. I mean, if you're living in an apartment in New York, you have cockroaches of mice and probably bed bugs, like to some degree, in neighbors. And neighbors who are the largest bugs of all, as far as I'm concerned, which is the reason I don't live in New York City anymore. Anyhow, but yeah, you just relate differently. You just have a more casual relationship with them.

If a thing crawls over your hand, you don't let out a high-pitched scream and start crying. Okay, you don't do that anymore. No, you muffle the scream and you cry into a pillow. Do you ever talk to it? You're just like, Oh, hey spider. I actually do talk to the insects. Do you? I'm like, what are you doing over there? You know, like I'll say stuff like, can you speak there? No, no, but you say things to infects in times where you're like, that was going to be so cool. We were going to like talk to the cockroaches in the wall and you were going to be like, Hey, guys, what would a cockroach talk like? Like, Bane, I think I'm a new clear war Batman.

I'm a cockroach. This is bad. This is bad stuff. This is really like two 11 year olds with a tape recorder right now. And then let's do Batman voices. It's all about serious stuff. I didn't bring you here to talk about Batman or Batman.

All right, let's talk serious stuff. I'm right here to talk about the Republican debate that aired now. You guys will hear this Monday morning, but this is coming off of the Republican debate, Paul's writing this down. I wish you told me that. That aired on Fox.

I didn't see it. I know, because I had to be on the radio last week. You were on the radio and you didn't watch the Republican debate. I was on the radio during the Republican. Do you know anything that happened? I read, of course I did. I read the New York Times every morning.

I'm not sure. So much for my one topic that I had. This is just for you. You know, maybe you could have mentioned it before you said, can you be here in an hour? No, let's not. Why would I give you a heads up on the topic? All right, well anyhow, so let's talk about Maine.

What's up with that guy? Can we do some more ads? No, let's, oh, what we do have another ad here for line space, line space. Oh, that is a great service. Linespace.cc. If you're, when you're too lazy to, line space. Oh, that is a great service. Linespace.cc. If you're, when you're too lazy to use Squarespace. Right, it's just like, when you have a really garbage idea,

like, I don't know, like if you're like a men's rights guy, I think, if you're a male, a male activist. This is actually a better place for you than Squarespace. Don't go to Squarespace, go to line space. It's pipe space pipe symbol dot CC Yeah, it's not an actual legal URL, but somehow they pulled it off I don't know what they're doing some sort of URL masking or something. Yeah, JavaScript very strong work by line You know, you're the code expert, but yeah, yeah, no, no, so line space is great

Like if you look at it out if you can't code and if you don't have good ideas Line space you just think wrong if you're incredibly drunk and you need to throw something on the web that you're shamed of, yeah, pictures of yourself in high school, to add a play, whatever line space. I feel bad for Magnus right now because of far this has been a steamy pile of garbage. So did some food.

I know. How bad is this? Narega, how bad is it? Pretty bad. Let's move on. That's pretty bad. That's very magnacy of you. Very good. very well done.

All right, well, we're gonna need a topic. Is there anything you're working on right now? You should tell me about your new Republican. Oh, the new Republican. All right, let's just, Paul, you're now an associate out of the rest, assistant out of there, a managing out of there of the new Republican. So I am a contributing editor.

Close, I think I am. I think I'm a contributing, I'm officially a friend of the magazine. Okay, what does that entail? It means that I'm writing a column. I went to them and I was like, guys, I don't know what I'm doing. And they were like, no, no, seriously.

Let us know what you're into. And I'm like, how about if I write like a page of month about databases? You love databases. I know. And I expected this is where the world's changed because if you'd pitched a general interest literary magazine five years ago with a column about databases, they would have been like, what,

who aren't, no. And it's like, what's a database? Exactly. And now it's like, no, hey, we'd enjoy that. We'd like to see what you got. So I just wrote my third and I'm about to write my fourth. So I have a nice, happy, healthy relationship with the new Republic magazine. What is, what was your last piece on?

My last piece, the one that's about to come out, which I'm psyched about, it'll be out next week, it's about death databases. What are those? There's a big thing. I know, but go ahead. So when you die, your social security number, you need to put that somewhere so that people know

that you're a dead person. And there's the social security death master file. And it turns out that you can download that whole thing and just sort of look at the 86 million people who died with social security numbers in America. It's 86 million. It's around there. Yes. It's low to me. Well, it's not 86 million who died with social security. Oh, say, so since the social security system was instated, that's correct. 86 million people have perished. That is, yeah. You know,

well, one of 86, and there's like a bunch of people. Is there a correlation, do we think? Could this be que-pint in this on Obama? We might have killed a lot of people to put in numbers on that. 86 million. Dino says. Thanks a lot of social security. Social security numbers are terrible, right?

Like they're just leaky and bad. And they're very meaningful. Yeah, no, they, they, they, they, Social security number is the thing that unlocks your entire identity. Right, it's, you know, when you go to college, like you suddenly learn it, right? And then that's it. Yeah. And you just go social security in order for the rest of your life and everything.

Yeah. And so there, there's all these sitting in this file and then there's like a really angry guy on the internet who, I'm sorry, that's there we go. Wait, there's just one. Just this guy. Okay. And he, there's one angry guy. You know, I thought the internet was going to stay chill, but I guess this guy, I don't know. This is the one that opened the gate. So this guy, he released the files,

because he's really upset because people who aren't dead appear on the file. That's really bad for you. Like, he, I mean, if you, if you, so you're saying they have a death database that encompasses the social security numbers, the numbers are not on there, just the name. The numbers are on there.

Oh, the numbers are on there. So it's like this, this number is good and even. This number has been used because this person has died, but you're saying that there's a person who has identified people who are alive with their social security numbers exposed. That's right. And so what that means is like,

well, it's hard to get a mortgage when you're dead, right? Like it's hard enough without being dead. And then what's your well, it's hard to get a mortgage when you're dead, right? Like it's hard enough without being dead. And then once you're dead. It's hard to get a mortgage when you're dead is the tagline for a film. Yeah. It's definitely a comedy. It's like a week in a Bernie's style.

I'm really worried it's a Netflix documentary. Yeah. I'm thinking more it's like an 89 minute long We can't Bernie stuff romantic comedy about a newlywed couple trying to buy a house But I think he's a ghost. Well, that's the twist at the end. It's like this sixth sense meets the money Yeah Watch this film though and then the tagline is it's hard to get it It's hard to get what is your hard to get a mortgage when you're dead.

This is one of those movies. First of all, that would have been like a mid-budget Indian 2009. That's when you make that. Yeah, James LaGrawh would have maybe starred in it. Yeah, that's the thing. The star really matters on this. It's either really bad or like... There's a cat and Mac Matt Dillon has like a kind of small part as a broker.

It's quirky, right? Yeah, like it's real quirky. Not the quality of quirk, guess, I don't think it gets discussed often enough. I think the quirk is a really important factor in American culture. Really? Yeah, because you think about growing up.

And you're like, you go into that little gift store where they have weird stuff like. Quirky. Yeah, like Nicknacks. You nicknacks, but also like the puzzle of the Swinks' head for the Museum of Modern Modern Art and then the gift books with the art stuff And I don't know I haven't ever been in this star like that. Yeah, well, okay, so maybe that's a very specific Maybe if you grew up on Main Street in Westchester, Pennsylvania. I don't know anything about the high street

It's actually where Jackass is from oh, yeah, yeah Yeah, I'm from there too. Oh, that were your from yeah, did you know the jackass guys? No, they're a little younger than me Oh really? Yeah, which is weird because all day Wow that got dark. Are they on the are they on the social security database? Just bringing that back around. Oh, they probably are you have to have died three or four years ago Okay, to get that data And so any house this guy's really mad because we'll get back to, I'm gonna get back to that Westchester PA conversation. Sure. And also the Nicknacks, but so this guy's mad

because there are people being exposed in this. Yeah, and it's hard for them to get a mortgage and other things. He's got a website called cancel these funerals and he really is going all on. And you're supposed to pay for the data but he's made it available. Yeah.

And so, so I downloaded it and played with it. And so what the newer public's kind of letting me do is like, oh yeah, go get some data and play with it, and then write about that. Yeah. So that's fun. So we're not really writing about databases. I am writing about big database.

I think I wrote about Spotify, which is a big database. And I wrote about... I thought you'd talk about Spotify. What do you want to talk about? Well, I was using Spotify the other day to listen to, they have comedy albums on Spotify. Me too. This is a real issue with Spotify. I wonder if you're gonna say the same thing that I said.

So I had it on shuffle on the comedy channel, shuffle, which will basically play a bit from, you know, comedians album. And it's very similar. Actually, there's a serious XM offering. It's like Comedy Central's serious channel. And it'll just play like a bit from a comedian. And it's great. I when I'm driving it really is good if you if you get sleepy while you're driving

Which I do I get very sleepy sure the weird thing about driving what could you drink? Well, yeah, I mean, it's like it's like it's just the perfect two two great taste. It tastes great Yeah, no I understand no, but when I'm driving it's the strangest thing in the world I'm going so any 75 miles an hour. I'm in control of like a two ton or one and a half ton car or whatever. I'm like, there are speeding vehicles coming at me. And in no place have I ever felt more relaxed

and more serene and more close to falling asleep. I mean, I'm a terrible sleeper in my tempera-peatic bed, which is while dry, tremendously comfortable. But while driving, I feel so sleepy. It's crazy. Like my eyes close every once in a while. They just close, which is scary. It's the only place I feel that way.

It's not good. No, so anyhow, I found the listening comedy is a really great way to stay away. Comedy will really keep your brain kind of alert. Do you find that as you get a little older, not that you're getting a little older, but you're getting a little older. And the comedians are less funny now because you're just like,

oh, this is a sad person without any money. Yeah, I definitely, I actually, what I noticed in shuffling through all the comedians is that a lot of them talk about, I mean, there is a real thread of comedians talking about what they do before the show, which indicates to me that a lot of comedians are sitting around, because the story is always the same. Like, what do I do? I'm in this hotel, I'm just waiting around for the show which indicates me that a lot of comedians are sitting around because the story is always the same like what I do you know I'm in this hotel I'm just waiting around for the show to start I just sit in the hotel masturbating all day long waiting there are like several comedians yeah you've heard it anyhow but I think yeah I'm like oh this is really depressing I think you and I might have the same Spotify

comedy profile yeah baby but here's the thing Spotify shuffles through these things so poorly that it keeps playing the same bits over and over and over again. Like, I hear there's an Amy Schumer bit. It's called Swedes. Yeah, yeah, I know it. And it plays it. And then four things later, it plays it again. And if you start skipping tracks,

you'll just hear the beginnings of the same bits over and over. And it's like, I don't understand. Shuffle should be the easiest thing in the world. It's like, you've got X amount of albums, with X amount of tracks, randomized those things. And you're done. I should never hear the same thing anywhere near another. The, you know, I should never hear the same thing in four plays.

See, I think I look at Spotify and I see something that builds so fast that they're just not even. They're like, oh yeah, we gotta get to that. Like, I'm sure it's on a list. They do the same, but it's the same thing on music. It's on a jurid ticket. The music shuffle is the same problem. I mean, it's that. Like I'm sure it's on a list. They do the same, but it's the same thing with music. It's on a jurid ticket. The music shuffle is the same. The same problem.

I mean, it's the same. Not arguing. How is it on a jurid? So it's random, I just ran through. First of all, the spot of fun. Well, no, it actually gets tricky. I know it's trying to learn what I like. Hey, it's more than that actually.

So if you go look at like the iTunes shuffle, there were a lot of issues around iTunes shuffle that took for, or is the iPod shuffle, that took forever to work out. Like people perceive randomness, actual digital randomness, they perceive it as repetitive because the pattern starts to show up sooner than they would expect.

They expect a better distribution. And so, I mean, you know, it's not a question in your judgment of this product. I'm just saying it might actually be, just like you are. I am am it might actually be perfectly random and You're just not perfectly, but it has a limited corpus and there's too much repetition Well, you're telling me that they're that the the corpus is so limited that I'm getting Amy Schumer's sweet bit Well the public they have forgotten they're assuming probably with a larger music corpus

They would they would you wouldn't run into this as often, but I bet they've only put like five albums in that bad boy. It's possible. So the problem with Spotify comedies, they never update the list. I like to know what's going on in the world. You want to know who's got to know who just dropped it out?

Exactly. It's really exciting because I love, I like sad white people who are kind of racist. That's pretty much like. So like Jeff Fox, where are you? No, all of them, all of them. They're all like, I'm not racist, but, and it'll just be like some Jewish,

they're all that way, dude. It's like you get halfway into the album, and they're like, I'm David Cross, not David Cross. Oh, no. Have you listened to, now, do yourself a favor if you're a person who likes to laugh. Listen to,

I hate laughter. I got it. I'm like, listen, your audience is is probably 80% of them are like, Josh, I don't know. I think the album is called Shut Up You Fucking Baby, which is from 2002. It's like just after, it means a lot of 9-11 stuff in there. Yeah.

I was not the one where Gabriel is roller belating after 9-11. Yeah, it's great. It's an amazing album. It's not only a great snapshot of this country just post 9.11 But it's it's some of the most Intelligent cutting it's it's a winnable good. It's very good anyhow. Sorry, but you were saying no I just been listening to no, there's no CPU. They don't keep you updated on the latest stuff They don't see if they go out to the internet and find Spotify playlist which are the worst like I'm sorry

I don't have time for that on my mobile device, okay? You just can't trust me. I'm on my, I'm on my segue, I'm rolling down the street. I got one thom on my phone. Yeah, I got my other, I got my other hand on whatever this steering device is. Well, as an American living upstate, you have a weapon. Yeah, I've got my, I've got my, uh, Glock 9 in my left hand. I'm on my segue and I'm checking out some music on my Spotify. I can't go out onto the internet to find things. No, you know, I'm a busy man. You're very busy guy Busy you're very busy man actually Yeah, pretty serious doing business. Yeah, so please don't waste my time. Let me ask you questions about the Republican debate

Let's get this out there. What do you think about America? I think the Republican debate last night was, sorry, this is last night, you'll be listening to this on Monday, so it was several days ago, was one of the craziest broadcasts I've ever seen on television. It was, I mean, Donald Trump... So, he dominated. Donald Trump is a performance artist. Donald Trump is performing.

Donald Trump is an entertainer and and boy did he entertain last night Well, and it's also like at a certain level you feel for it because these guys are politicians and then you have some like a Yeah, no, he's a first-class vlogger like this is like this is like this is like a Tosh coming into like a PTA meeting. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's like they're like talking about their kids I was gonna pay for the uniforms for their kids, you know, for their kids a football. And in this guy's like football uniforms, whatever. And then Tosh comes in and it's like starting to happen when I was getting my dick. So everybody's like, wow, Paul, you really went, really went blue there, didn't you?

Well, you know, it's Tosh. And anyway, you brought that up. Tosh, I keep hearing his same routines over and over again. You brought that up as comedy. I know, you got a price to pay. But no, it is Donald Trump is, I do feel, I'm not gonna say I feel bad because I don't think that there's a single candidate that was on stage last night that represents anything close to what I perceive as like an American.

No, it's a standard. Faster and garbage heap of crude food. I mean, literally even the, even the people at KSEik, who I'd never really heard speak, who actually sounds like a really intelligent, interesting guy who doesn't have totally bankrupt ideas, he just like could not stop talking about like, God's glory and God's plan and how much he loves God. And it's like, you know what, listen,

I know you speak for a lot of Christian Americans, but there are a lot of other people who are not Christian Americans who don't worship your God and don't actually want God to be in the equation when you govern. And it's like, I may have, you may be the most reasonable guy with the best ideas in the world,

but the second you're like, God's glory, I'm like, nope, sorry, next, because I don't trust you to make rational decisions. Who is the attorney general for Bush? Is that John Ashcroft? Yeah. Do you remember when he sang a song amazing grace? I think no, you know what he said he made up a song.

Oh right. Let the eagle. So it's like that. And it's on YouTube. I'm pretty sure it was him. Yeah, it's beautiful singing voice. Thank you. I don't sing very much anymore. You're like my Ashcroft. I'm a lot like that. I'm your attorney general. Yeah, you're not attorney general. I'm going to help you. I'm going to help. Yeah, you're not an attorney judge. I'm going to help you. I'm going to help you cover all four. It is the attorney general of tomorrow. Let's cover up some war crimes right now. Let's do it.

First, let's commit the war crimes. I love it. I feel like in a way this podcast is kind of a war crime. Oh, you know what? And it's like a government too, really. Just like Reddit. Yeah. So let's just say that this has actually a more of a governing body than Reddit.

I think it's probably true. I think it actually honestly, I think it has more experienced management. You know what, listen, it's a tough job running a forum, okay? I was terribly tough. You know what? You got to make the hard decisions like, Kuntown, should Kuntown remain on the forum? Should he openly racist?

No, I mean, it's one of those things where you have to sit down at the end of the day and be like, where am I really on rape? And it's just like, it's a of those things where you have to sit down at the end of the day and be like where am I really on rape? And like just like Rape town. Is that a forum because I'd like to spin it up our slash rape town just a thought no, but the other thing about red it Sorry, we're way off topic, but I'm gonna. I don't care any red it to me. No, by the way, and I I'm back to the Republicans We'll get back to Republicans this I think there's actually a lot of yeah, synergistic thought I've read it to the future of the Republican party. Well, let me just say something about Reddit.

You know, Reddit is the argument that everybody makes about Reddit is like freedom. So, okay, let me actually backtrack a little bit. Okay. I used to run a website called Engaget. Sure, I've heard of Engaget. Engaget was a property owned by AOL. Mm-hmm.

We covered technology and gadgets. Had that been part of like the web logs in the camera? That was part of the web logs, Inc. family. It was very, I mean, honestly, there been part of like the web logs in the camera? That was part of the web logs Inc family. It was like, I mean, honestly, I don't know how long web logs was around until it was Bob A.O. I think there's only around for like two years. Sure, but it was the rich tradition of Jason Calacanis.

You were part of that. I was part of the great tapestry of Calacanis related products, though I only know Jason a little bit. I've only been to one of his poker games that he has at the all things the conference. So you got to touch the hem a little bit. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. He's like these high rolling like serious. Oh, yeah. He's a brilliant approach. He really a friend of mine's a poker player and he was like texting him out of the blue like gotta get in on that game. He's like, I don't yeah, I don't guess. I don't know how to play poker and I also think gambling is a bad idea. Generally, it's pretty bad. I mean, just the name when you say it gambling,

just sounds like somebody you shouldn't do. I also do a lot of really repetitive, boring things for not enough money already. Yeah. So I do a little loose money doing that. I mean, it's like, well, you know, cause success in that is like, I made like $1,400 this month. You could become very rich if you're an excellent poker player.

You could. Yeah, what is your tell? Does your eyes start bleeding? Yeah, actually. I just like coughing. Was it a villain? That's a villain from Casino Royale, the James Bond film. Oh, I think his eyes start bleeding.

I think his tell. I'm a very anxious person. And I have a thing that everyone in my life calls the third base coach. When I'm nervous, which is I started to just tug at my left shoulder. Oh, interesting. And it's like, I'm on the baseball field.

Is this like a thing? This is a little thing. I'm just sort of like, I'm seeing you're thinking I'm anxious and I'm just tugging. That's like you get your safety blanket, you're like, you're like, you're literally not. I don't know I'm doing it. And then you get the eye twitch.

There's like a level up of anxiousness. Oh, you have an eye twitch. That one's that's like it. Who in our industry doesn't have an eye twitch? That's a lot of eye twitches in our industry. I have I get the occasional Twitch yeah, yeah, occasionally crazy. I um anyhow God what were we talking about the Republican? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, business, the way the comments were set up is that anybody could, with anybody with any email address could have a common error count. And the common error count name, the username,

was not tied to the email address and was also not limited to user name. It was not, user names that had been used, were not taken out of rotation. You could have any user name including the the same username as somebody else. Okay. The actual username was like a number somewhere stored in a database, speaking of databases. You were like a number and then you would have essentially a temporary, whatever you chose, your screen name to be. So this is a recipe for all of it.

This was like an AOL. This was built by the people who built Blogsmith, which was the back end. And I actually remember when we designed and gotcha, I had to beg the product lead of blog Smith. I was like, please make these changes to comments. So we can. Who's the product lead of blog Smith, do you remember? I don't wanna name names, that's the point.

But let's just say, I had a conversation with them on one of the most frustrating conversations I've ever had with anybody about John Ashcroft. He started singing. I was like, literally, we were in the middle of this conversation. I was explaining to him how moderation was impossible because people could pretend to be Joshua Topolski in comments.

They would get your avatar and your name because nothing stopped them. And then they would just create complete mayhem. And all you could do was band whatever shitty fake email account they were using and then they could just go register another one. So there was like no getting rid of them and no moderation tools. We eventually went to discuss, of course,

because Blogsmith couldn't build a capable, comedy system. I actually remember sitting and having this argument with this guy, and he's like, in the middle of the argument, it's very distinct, very distinct memory for me. He said, hey, that's a really nice watcher wearing, and I said, I stopped, and I said,

I will give you this watch right now. If you will make this change to comments because it's insane. It was insane that I was even having. This is like one of those great things where like you're an editor and you know that you're like working with your audience and your community.

And then you've got this like esoteric sort of like debate about like, well, we don't have anonymous logins. It's like you don't know what happens out there. You're only thinking about what's happening back here. I offered Harper's at one point. I was gonna like, if you let me buy the good scanner to digitize the pages, you can take the money for that out of my salary.

Yeah. And they were, people shut me down. They're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't, don't offer that because they'll do it. It's insane. Anyhow, so the thing is what people used to say all the time in comments, and on end gadget was when we would delete their comment

They would say first they'd say first first was first was like for real that was the thing that happened But no, they would say you're violating my freedom of speech You're violating my right to free speech. How much do you hate? Well, it's like here's the deal Well, it's like here's the deal you do have a right to free speech But not on my privately owned business We don't have to go down this path. Everybody knows this guy. But why?

People don't want to start with that. People don't, the red argument is like, they want to turn this into a business. It's like, yes, they suck. It's like, that's what it is a business. And ultimately, like, if you, if like, if this is the place for your, if this has to be the place for your racism, it can't be a business. So like, maybe you should find another place that will accept your racism. It doesn't mind not having this.

But there's been this understanding in the web that is somehow its product developers are a job to accommodate the most knuckle-dragging boner age that ever has existed. Right. Well, it's like this thing where it's like this Buzzfeed thing where Ben Smith said, you know, somebody was like, well, how come, you know, it's like they were very pro, same-sex marriage. Right. And Ben Smith had an exchange with somebody and he was like, well, this is just, this is just an idea that is agreed upon globally or, you know, across the board as the right

thing to do or whatever. And it's like, we're going to make an executive decision. We're not going to have the view from nowhere on this. We're going to have, it's actually like, I do agree with the idea that there are some things where you don't have to, I think the view from nowhere as a bullshit journalistic can see. I think it is I think it is fake and I think that a person who tells you they have no perspective on a matter that they're covering is more dangerous than a person who tells you what their perspective is because because when I know somebody is like listen I'm liberal but

I'm going to treat this fairly because I can do that as a human being and an adult. Like I'm more comfortable knowing that your views align here, but this is how you reported the story versus not knowing where your views align and not knowing how your reporting is going. I mean, I do it for that. I would say that when you know that and they're clear and they offer the context of their own point of view, the story is deepened. Right. And it's not editorializing. It's saying that like a human being has a viewpoint and you can't write everything from a neutral perspective. If saying that everything has an element of subjectivity, starting with the way we use language, there's no way around. But why do they make that point about Ben Smith? Um, I don't know.

You were making a point about, um, well, I just, I just, I just, you know, those, those, this, that's stopping that foot stomping, like, for each beat. I'll hear it. This is the, uh, the, uh beach. I'll hear it. This is the Batman free speech. Yeah, see, you're walked free of speech, but you catch. That's it. That's it.

That's it. We watch all free speech anyhow. But here's the thing. This is what they get as a result. I think it's been out of discuss. Oh, God, it is. Yeah. So here's the thing.

It took me a long time. How do we ruin everything? For a whole second. Flaker,, it is. Yeah. So here's the thing. It took me a long time. How do we ruin everything? For a whole second. Flaker, my man, Flaker. But here's the thing. The idea that we have to support people who are openly racist. Like because that's what you have to, that's across you bare for free speech. It's like true.

Like if they want to publish a newsletter, good on them. Like I support their right to publish the Nazi newsletter. They have a right to. They can publish the Coontown newsletter. By all means, have at it. Go to kinkos and do your thing, you know. But red it's allowed to say, and everybody's allowed to say, you know, not on my watch. Or get off my lawn or whatever it is they say.

Reddit has had this bizarre ideologicalistency from the beginning where like, it's supposed to be this anonymous zone and this free speech zone. And then there was that, there was that one CEO who was like, I see Reddit as more of like a government or a new form of governance. And you realize like the level of crazy narcissistic fantasy

town that's going on in there. No, that's like one step removed from Silk Road. I mean, that's the same thinking. If you read Josh Baramans' piece on Silk Road, Josh Baramans, who I had on the podcast, wonderful interview, you should listen. What, how many times? Just one time.

Oh, you got it. But he lives in LA, so he's a hard to, hard to get hold of. Yeah, you'll see how he does. Whoa. You know, you had such a competitive streak at any rate, you are currently the leader. Yeah. That's gonna board up.

But that Silk Road story is a lot of it. It's about like, it's not about like, you can buy drugs, but it's like, we're creating a new form of government and we're using a new form of currency. And it's like, you know, dude, actually, you've got a website on the internet. Well, there's also like, there's now Ethereum just came out,

which is like the new decentralized Bitcoin ledger system. Ooh, yeah, created by a 21 year old. And so you know it's good. I mean, these Russian, so I forget it. All that's wrong. It's fine, isn't it? It's the Tetris of currency. Finally.

Finally, we're gonna have Tetris and currency. Tetris should be a type of currency. Each block has a certain value. I love these products. It would work really well. Yeah, no, it's someone's gonna do that now. The long one is gonna be like the most, it's like the $100 bill. It is, it's pretty good. Yeah, no, someone's gonna do that now. The long one is gonna be the most, it's like the $100 bill.

It is, it's pretty good. Yeah, the ones there, some there. You know what's good though, actually. The L, the four box square is really good. Oh my gosh. It's so thick, it's like, I know, it's like the chunky candy bar of catfish pieces.

You're like, you're kinda like, cause you can slide that long one in anywhere. Yeah, but the chunky box is like, where's it going to, where you squeezing this thing? I'm proud of us for moving on from that. Anyhow. The, no, you know, do you know what's weird about these? I love these products that are just like, like the, the Ethereum thing is, the engineer is laughing.

Yes, I'm going to get in time. I don't, okay. Great. Yeah, that's what you tell me. Yeah. That's what she said. She said that's what she said. I just want to say that we're not saying that. I'm glad Marcus isn't here. Magnus. Magnus. Wow. We're going to edit that out.

No, leave that in. No, I don't want to. Magnus did. Magnus, he's been drinking. It's not his fault. He knows who you are. I know who he is. I like Marcus as a name. Marcus is a good name. Kind of superior to Magnus. No, Magnus is actually a good name. Kind of superior to Magnus. No, Magnus is actually a better name.

It's magnificent. If you could be like Marky Mark. But here's the thing about. Marky Markis. Here's the thing about Ethereum. If I can just bring this podcast back to technology. Yeah. The thing is about Ethereum, which is like these giant decentralized new things, or it's like

it's an operating system built on top of the blockchain. It's, I love the way they're sold as like either like you're either on board with this 100% and is now your new religion or you will be walking across an empty garbage scape filled with tears and shame while people hover in clouds above you. This is like with Martini. This is like, this is like cancun. This is like, this is like Cancun. This is like when you fly into Cancun, you fly over these like shanty towns, these like horribly impoverished, I've only been there one time,

I was there to do DJ. And this is like horribly impoverished area. And then you get, you're in a strip and it's like McDonald's, Cancun. And like TGI Fridays, there's like a huge club. And it's like literally there's like a wall somewhere that is just keeping out the people from the show. Right.

Anyway, you're saying you're either in the shanty town. Or you're at hedonism too. You're hedonism X. DJ. DJ for where there was like, and it was like a completely insane where there were like women like spinning from the ceiling and. Oh, sure. It was obscene.

So in the best way. So the internet, early internet was like that too, right? Like the internet everyone is like you're either on board or you are basically a dead, like, you know, hot, you're a shell, you're a husk. And so, it never quite turns out that way. It always turns out that for these products, we really effective to win globally. If you miss that first, like, five minute window of getting completely invested in every way, you tend to live and not live as a hobo,

but nobody ever, like, no one will give you that. Well, because eventually, I'm just making an iPhone and then everybody's like, even the people in the Shanty town are like, would a second, I can use technology too. Right, you know what it is? I think it's also like, when you're in your 20s, you're so used to being left behind

and then you hear about these things and you're like, I'm not going to left behind this time. Right, that's like when Sean Connery was offered the role of, he was offered the role of, he was offered a role in believing, extraordinary gentlemen based on the Alan Moore books. And I remember reading an interview with him and it's so sad and retrospect

because that movie is terrible. It is, talking about a garbage fire, that is a dumpster fire, that is one for the books. But there's an interview where he says, I was offered the part of Morpheus and the Matrix and I turned it down because I didn't understand it. And I don't understand this either, but I'll be damned if I'm going to miss the boat. Oh, that's terrible. You really fucked up this decision.

Yeah, but he figured out something fundamental about startup investing. That's good. And he said Sean Connery truly, he understands, his investment portfolio strategy is excellent. Sean Connery would make a good, he's good for the internet because he's like pro hitting women and he understands VC culture. I forgot about the fact that he's an abuser.

Yeah, you do tend to forget that he had an interview with Barbara Walters where he, even later on I think, he had an interview where he talked about hitting women to put them in their place. And then later on, Barbara Walters was like, do you regret saying that? He's like, not really. I think it's a great idea.

It's like, you're really doubling down on that. Wow. That's a really problem. Yeah, you know, you think he's the best James Bond think about him hitting a woman when next time you check him out in James Bond film. I'm not going to. And yeah, I probably hit some women

in the James Bond movies. I think that's what I thought. That's probably where he learned it. There was a lot of women smacking back then. In the old days, well, there's a... Are you familiar with the song? I think it's called, He Hit Me. No.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it might be by the Ron Nets. Yeah, yeah. The lyrics are, he hit me and I felt like a kiss. Yeah. A Ron Inspector? He hit me and... Yeah, it might be Ron Inspector Solo.

He hit me and I knew that he loved me. I think it's the next line. It's a disturbing, you can't even imagine a song like that being on the radio and yet it was like a major hit in America. Now that you have a daughter, because for me, that's like, like I think I- Nice segue. No, but I mean, I think like that used to be, I'd hear that and be like, oh, what a darkly ironic series event.

And now I hear that and I'm just like, I got there. Cause a garbage world. I just didn't know. No, I don't think that way. I mean, I don't actually think about it. I don't think about, well, Zeld is barely a person yet, not at this point. You know, I mean,

she's just becoming a person. But I don't think I have a tremendous amount of optimism. I think that the world is inevitably going to be a better place the older she gets and so it already seems like a much better place than it was. You know, I actually, I've been writing about this. I've pulled out this world economic form. They had this document. When will women achieve income equality? Yeah. And the title of the, I won't get it right, but the title of the report was economic equality for women come at

2095, come up maybe. Well, you know, that's a big problem. That's a big problem that I can't hope to fix. If you want to be optimistic, be optimistic for 2095. No, I'm just optimistic that things are going to steadily get better. Think about the phones. Think about how cool the smartphone phones will be. They're going to be so cool. In 2095, there won't be phones. There won't be phones. I want to talk about speaking of phones. So have you seen the cover of the new Time Magazine with Palmer Lucky of Oculus Rift?

Oh, I'm intimately familiar with it. So he's, so to me, it's a really, it's a tone deaf. It's a time cover. I think we should describe it, which is that. Let's describe it. Guy and look like jeans and a polo shirt. He's Paul Merlucky. He's wearing a polo shirt and jeans and no shoes and no socks. And he's on a beach.

And he's, well, he's transposed. He's been a beach background has been put. A virtual beach. A virtual beach is behind him. And and he is jump leaping into the air wearing the Oculus Rift and he's got look. I'm a I'm a giant guy. So I feel comfortable saying he's got a little meat on him He's not yeah, yeah, it's a little thick. Oh little thick little thick. Not like you know big guy No, no, no, just a little thick. Yeah, just like like he's not like an athletic super athletic dude Yeah, he's not like a spelt, you know hard body

And so I'm just I'm setting the scene. Yeah, I sent the scene Yeah, and then he's about he looks to be about Maybe seven inches off the ground. Yeah, leaving leaping barefoot and it's like the it's like the the tagline is like the virtual reality is about to change the world I don't know now. I find if it's me and I'm burpers in the newsstand and I saw that picture, after I got done laughing. And I'm not laughing at Palmer because he's a really cool guy and a genius, I think.

But I'm laughing at whoever decided this was the best way to express what virtual reality is as you leaping against a fake beach. I mean, if you want proof that like Facebook doesn't understand the media, don't they own Oculus Rift? Yes. So Facebook PR was like, go for it. I mean, I don't know what they were thinking they were going to do.

Facebook PR must be 175,000 people plus their robots. It's they have, I understand is that for every dippers, there are two Facebook PR people. I totally believe that. Yeah. That's the way that's the math. You have to be in Facebook PR. You basically are like, okay, we grew by another 40 trillion people.

And then like, then the next week you're like, we didn't actually, like, we're not taking your genitals and putting them online. You're just, you just oscillate. They've moved past the whole privacy thing. That's like a foregone, that's done. I mean, nobody cares about that anymore. Remember, people are really mad.

I remember people are like, I'm deluding my Facebook account. I swear, because I love people who make that who are like, I'm deluding my account. It's like, I mean nobody cares about that anymore. Remember people were really mad. I remember people were like, I'm deleting my Facebook account. It's weird because I love people who make that who they're like, I'm deleting my account. It's like, I did that once. I deleted my Snapchat account once and I regretted it because then I had to go and get it again. What's basically like you just go, you're leaving a party. And then you're like, I'm leaving you out of here. I don't like how much drinking this has happened.

This is happening. Go to Deppers. Yeah. You know, Deppers is a great place to go after a party. I have found like ever. Well, I think when you've really been drinking and you really need to get in, you really need to just smash something into your face and it's gotta be hot and delicious.

Or remember like, if you and your friends go to the ministry, you know, and it's like. Classic. It's great, right? It's the Psalm 69 tour and you're just like, you have, they close, they do stigmata's the encore. Yeah, and you're in there and it's just an amazing song and you're in the pit and then you're like, what are, they close, they do stigmata's the encore. Yeah, and you're in there, and it's just an amazing song, and you're in the pit,

and then you're like, what are we gonna do? What's next? It's like, it's like 10 o'clock, and like 10.30. And no one can drink, and nobody even, actually at that point is like, nobody even wants to go to a bar. They're just like, let's go to a bar. Well, it's nice is that on the weekends,

Dipper is open light. It does, it does the four in the morning. Yeah, yeah. Do you remember that commercial they did, like five years ago where they had like, that all the kids in whole body morning. Yeah, yeah. Do you remember that commercial they did, like five years ago where they had like all the kids in whole body dips? Oh yeah. They're like, they were like,

it was like they were like lounging in a pool. Yeah. You know, like arms up on the sides of the dipping sauce. That's kind of a bad week for Ogleville and Matherer. Yeah, remember. Yeah. That was a weird one. It was like, is this can, are you endorsing cannibalism?

I just, like understand. You just think about the meeting where they're like, let's dip kids and sponge. That was when they introduced kids' dips. Yeah, that was the moment, right? That was actually the moment where they started to really go after that market. Well, but then there was that whole scene

with what are the people who were the diapers, the adults? Oh, the adult babies. The adult babies, you know, they got into the dippers. Like that whole, like, that was a weird thing because they'd been running that promotion. That's a great tumbler though. Oh my God.

There was like babies and seniors for free or whatever. Oh God, the Dippers, the Dippers adult baby tumbler was like the best thing that ever happened in 2012. Which of course was run by my sister and located atop of us. She's just an artist really. She is an artist.

She's one of the great last great artists that we maybe will ever produce in America. At any rate. So let's talk about this Republican debate. Yes. Get back to it because we have not completed one single thought on today's broadcast. What is a complete thought really? Wow. What can you know?

It's a great question. That is a great question. I don't want to do rail. I mean, what is a complete thought? I think it's when you're like, I set out to I wanted to make it. Let's say I wanted to make a statement. I had a opening argument. I had some middle stuff to meet in the middle of it. And then I was going to close. And that is a completely cut you off before you finish that. Okay. That's literally no one does that

anymore. Why are we trying to why are we trying to bring that here? Like, like, how many followers do you have on Twitter? Oh, I don't know. 72,000? I love to give people who have a lot of followers, like a really high number, but it's actually lower than their real numbers. So then they're forced into the position of actually acknowledging. I don't know, I don't keep track of it.

I'm sure it's well over 100. Yeah, anyway. I don't keep track, you know, I'm not, you know, to me. What's not important what the number of followers is, is what's important is the quality of the followers. No, true. How is the quality? Very good. That's great. Very good. The best followers on the internet.

Oh, that's wonderful. It's weird actually. Now that hearing, talking about it allowed, like referring to people as followers is a really awful way. Yeah. Like Twitter should change like what that is. No, I use animals.

You know, but it should be like, but it should be, you know, he's like, I'm following so and so. Like there should be a cooler way to say that. Like I'm tracking or I'm, I'm downloading. Stalking. I'm stalking so and so. Sniffing.

Sniffing. I'm sniffing. I'm on the trail of X. Anyhow, so this Republican debate, Donald Trump is an actor. He is an amazing actor, but you gotta feel bad for Jeb Bush, who's a guy who you can see like tears,

you can see the tears welling up in his eyes, you know, where he's like, I'm trying to make a real point about politics. And Donald Trump is like, we got to build a wall somewhere or whatever. And then like he's like insulting the moderator. And you know, he's just like off the rails completely. And then you've got these like sad sack like real GOP candidates who are like, wait a second, what about politics? Oh no, I'm incredibly sorry for them because after they allowed the Tea Party to grow unchecked and got in behind them with the whole racist ideology, I'm sorry, I don't really feel bad

for them. The fact that their freaking clown show has come home to roost in the form of this violent moron. Ben already had come home to roost with Sarah Palin. I mean, that was it, right? They've already been down this road. Thanks for the preview. And then you've got like Grover Norquist

in a corner slowly touching himself. And it's just like, honestly, like I'm not, I'm not a Republican, obviously. I will not, I will not vote. I'm not voting for any Republicans. But I don't believe it's impossible that there could be a reasonable, a rational Republican candidate.

Like I believe that there is a way in this country to have a person who's like fiscally conservative and maybe we don't agree on every social issue and they want a little less regulation here and I want a little more regulation there. But like, sounds like a rational reasonable. I might go like, actually he's made some good points or she's made some good points. Like I'm willing to consider them. There's not a single, it's not there them. There's not a single. It's not there anywhere. There's not a lick of that anywhere near this party.

Yeah, but the actual sort of, so what is what is a party, right? Like a party or a no, but actually, everybody take it, pause there. Paul Ford just blew your mind. It's a, it's a, so we could say a couple things. We could say it's a tribe. We could say it's a tribe of people who are affiliated around a set of ideologies. There's a set of principles and understandings that they're more likely to share than not likely to share.

And there's a sense of in group and out group. Okay, so we got that going on. The Republican Party used to have a more inclusive sense of in group, like in group. Like you could just more people could walk in. And they've been clamping down. This is the legacy of Reagan. This is when he moved things over with the more, more on majority.

They're caching that check now and it turns out to be worth a lot less than everybody had hoped. Well, I mean, the world is moving on from it is like there's a form of far right lunacy. Like remember when gamer gates suddenly like the Heritage foundation was like hey guys can we help you yeah like the the they're they're without a compass and and and and without any real leadership from what I can tell and nobody sounds rational nobody sounds like they've got plans nobody sounds like they have they care at all about the American people or the country.

I mean, honestly, I don't believe for a second that any of those people have the best interests of every American in their hearts and minds. What I believe, and I'm not saying that Hillary Clinton, not saying that Hillary Clinton is perfect. Or that they can't even fake it. No, that's right. And it's like, and it's also-

Like, I think Hillary Clinton is really good at impersonating love for humanity. I mean, Hillary Clinton is a very serious politician, and as a politician, she has done things that politicians do. I don't agree with all of them. Sure. She's played politics in big, big ways. That's what, that's the job.

She crashed a jet into an orphanage and it had to happen. It's a job, but it's the job. But what I will say is her ideals and what she expresses seem to align better with my belief of where humanity is going. But more importantly, she seems like an intelligent human being. She strikes me as a person who could have a really meaty conversation with and she would be able to play a lot of different angles. I think more fundamentally, I think she would kick our ass.

I think that's true. Oh, no, I don't say that. I could win in that debate. Like, angles. I think more fundamentally, I think she would kick our ass. I think that's true. Oh, no, I don't say that. I think I could win in that debate. Like, seriously, I think. But I just don't, I just don't what I don't hear, what I don't hear, and what I don't see from the Republican candidates is intelligence and like emotional intelligence. And it's really like, I just don't know what to make of it. I mean, Mitt Romney seems like the most rational of all the possible GOB candidates that I've seen.

He's not even a candidate. But if Mitt Romney were to run right now, I'd say, well, I don't agree with his religious beliefs. I don't agree with a lot of his social beliefs, but he seems like a kind of normal human. Well, and again, who's intelligent? Well, there's that element of, so I mean, what are we electing?

We're always electing like the person we think who is exciting and personally almost tolerable. Like who's gonna move in our house for four years? But we're also electing that effective administrator. And that model changes, like people got really in a George W. Bush for his MBA. Yeah, that was like, he's gonna run the country like a business, that makes sense to me.

By W? W. The last one. Last one. I mean, yeah, I mean, I think it like he wasn't, it wasn't a lawyer. I think that the other thing is I what I don't understand is it felt like a lot of these Republicans were running against Obama and they made it sound like the last eight years have just been like a nightmare and what I've seen things have not been perfect, but it feels a lot, the last eight years feel a lot, the last eight years feel a lot better than the eight years previous, which were, I think for most Americans, like an actual nightmare.

Just relentless and terrifying. And I mean, that is like all from the Republican party. They are, I mean, that was the one of the most, I mean, the Bush government was one of the most corrupt destructive entities who have ever occupied the ruling bodies of the country. It was actually such madness that there seriously hasn't been like the good 300-page book

that's like, here's how crazy it was. Like, we're still processing. No, I mean, and everything that Obama inherited was brought on by George Bush and his crony, his insane crony's. I mean, people who actually are, too, about Ash Ashcraft like actually really are war criminals in many ways. I just think like and, you know, by the way, if you're a Republican who supported Bush, I'm really sorry for the you have to hear this, but it just I'm not. I mean, they were were criminals. Right. I know, no, no, I'm sorry that you have to hear reality. But the reality is that like the last eight years have not been bad.

I mean, they actually there are bad things happening, but there are a lot of really good things happening. That was just an overall statistic. We can roll that back though. We can totally like... You know, that's the thing. That's the thing. It's like, it's like, the economy's doing better. People are working more. I mean, they're, you know, starting to get back to work. You know, we're fixing some wage gap stuff. We're trying to fix it. You know, I think... Health care. Health care is a big deal. I think it's a horrible monster, but it limped across.

I mean, it got somewhere slightly better than it was that before. And there's just a handful, I mean, same sex marriage and a handful of social things that have been social issues that have been tackled, not everything, obviously. But I look around, I look at the general happiness of people in this country and I look at, well, the people I know, but then beyond that, and you look at the numbers,

and I don't know what reality there are Republicans living. They live in one way, like, in order to get what they want, they have to create, or they have to paint a picture that doesn't, isn't very real at all. And I think that that's, it doesn't feel like they want to be ruling for the right reasons. It feels like they, I don't feel like their goal is to bring money back to the middle class. I think it's like to line their pockets and to help corporations be more dominant, awful dominant players in America. And you know,

like the small government people, the, you know, near libertarians of the Republican party, I don't think they have any idea what it takes to run a country like America. Oh, you know, it's not about like, you go have your little patch of land and I'll have my patch of land and it'll be okay because it won't be okay. Well, they want to run swans in it, right?

They want to. Yeah, but countries need to be socialized in many ways. And like, if you think socialism is a bad thing and like, you think that like the modern development of nations is a bad thing, then you think that the modern development of nations is a bad thing, and that like where we've gotten as in terms of caring for nations of people, is in all of the industrialized nations,

is somehow wrong. Let me ask you a question. You were formerly in DJ, you owned 32% of Dippers, and that's correct. You have a sense of social responsibility. Would you ever run for office, cash in some of your two or three billion dollars of Dipper stop?

I mean, at the point where maybe I would run for President of the United States, how badly would they look upon rampant drug use during my rave days? I mean, it's rave days. Right. You know, I mean, what are you gonna do? I'm gonna say rampant.

Yeah. Occasional. Occasional. Occasional. Decasional. Decasional. Decasional. Decasional.

Decasional. Decasional. Decasional. Decasional. Decasional. Decasional. Decasional. Decasional.

Decasional. Decasional. Decasional. Decasional. Decasional. Decasional. Decasional. Decasional. Decasional. Decasional. Decasional. Dec'm gonna do that. I would hate to be. I think being president, I think you've got to be a very sick person to want to be president. I think it's a very disturbed brain that thinks, I'm going to run America, and I'm gonna do a better job than somebody else. And we've really made the job kind of suck.

I mean, it's just a bad job, but I think it used to be, it used to probably be a pretty fun gig. You mean then, that did like a Abe Lincoln era? I don't want to. He had a great time, I'm sorry. George Washington, who was it fun for? I think Franklin Roosevelt truly enjoyed governing.

Maybe. I think he really did. You looked that way. He looked really, he had a good time. He had a lot of friends. He had friends in Georgia. He had friends all over the place. Still seems like a stressful, horrible job.

It, well, it certainly aged him, but so did polio. Yeah. Um, wow. Who have there ever been any actually like happy presidents? Reagan was George Bush, him to be. Oh, well, they say ignorance is bliss. That was not good. You know, they went off and painted. Yeah, he's paintings are the best thing that he's ever contributed to society I'm trying to think like some George Bush next and Carter was kind of hard to see that be oh, well forward But yeah, you know a lot to worry about Okay, well, you know, they're on a lot of happy presidents. It's not a happy job

It's not a job for people who want to be happy. It's a job of people who want to run America. Oh god, okay? Republicans So you didn't think anybody in there should be president, right? It's a job of people who want to run America. Oh God, okay. Republicans. So you didn't think anybody in there should be president, right? What should be president? No, I didn't think anybody there should be president. Could anybody there be president? Still tough to see it.

See after the second George Bush, because I was like, so we're talking quite a while ago, but I was like younger and I remember looking to him, and I remember looking to him versus McCain, and I was like, oh, I'm an American, I get this, like there's absolutely, that guy looks like he plays with his own shitty, so stupid, and the other one is like a war veteran.

That guy's gonna win, like he's some street talking, and then like the push, the push people are in like South Carolina saying that McCain has an illegitimate black daughter and like everybody went over to George Bush Jr. and I learned something fundamental about like aggregate humanity. This was in the days before we really had no internet. Yeah, we had no reddit. Like we didn't know. You were on like, you're using pine for email. I was you had to Oh, my cuz I'm not an animal, but we had you had to use like mud is a great better time. I still use it It's still really good. Hmm. You know if you want to talk email management strat We should probably we should open this up for about two or three hours. We should just let this one to flow

No, what is on the next one? What's that? You eat like a male? You eat like a male and an apkeye. Come on, are you fucking trying to insult me? I use male.ap, that's what I do for my email. You do, huh? Please get the fuck out of my face, that shit. I use male plane with Gmail and I've started use, I have several helper apps.

Good. Like, same box I just started using. What's that like? How does that work? It actually seems to be doing what it says it'll do. It has caused a couple of problems where some emails get thrown into a folder I don't want them to be in. But overall, my inbox has felt a lot more sane.

And by the way, they are not an advertiser. So I'm just saying this as a human being. Okay. And apparently it's gonna start costing me money because there's like a free trial. And I don't know. And I also use this thing called UnrollMe, which is a, it will go through your email and find all the list that you just

got to. And you can just like, you know, just tick off unsubscribe. Why do we subscribe, Danny? We don't. We don't. We buy something from Urban Outfitters. And then next thing you know, you're on Urban Outfitters forever mailing list. You're very, I like when you click through. And it's like unsubscribe from these newsletters. And there's like 250 newsletters. The best is when you're like unsubscribe me from this and they're like unsubscribe you're very, I like when you click through and it's like unsubscribe from these newsletters and there's like 250 newsletters. The best is when you're like unsubscribe me from this and you're like unsubscribe you sure and you're like yep do it and then you get an email to you've successfully unsubscribe.

It's like here's what I didn't want from you. I didn't want another fucking email is what I didn't want. Okay, you don't need to tell me, just give me a little pop up done or whatever. Like do not send me an email since like confirmed. Thanks a lot. It really is like you break up with somebody and then you get the message.

It's just like I think I left my toothbrush. Yeah, you're gonna go buy another for a week. Yeah, it's not like a real relationship. Leave me, why don't you go get another toothbrush? I'll pay pal, I'll Venmo you. Wow. Because I'm a young dater.

I love Venmo, it's amazing. Oh man, it's great. Social sharing, the sharing company. Drug addicts. No, just kidding. I don't use it for that. I love Venmo, it's amazing. Oh man, it's great. Social sharing, the sharing company. Drug addicts. No, just kidding. That was that for drugs? I don't use it for that. I don't understand Venmo.

It's very simple. It's like a social payment platform. I understand what it is. I don't understand the social part of it. I don't want to know, I don't want people to know that I'm paying people for that. I don't get it. It's weird.

Yeah, it's weird. I do like that you can just ask for money from people. I have been sliding you 20s across this table. Yeah, well, that's how we get it done. Yeah, get it done. As my man, Jeff Fox, where he says, is that Jeff Fox worth it? No, that's the cable guy.

Oh, Larry, the cable guy who's actually like British and lives in Connecticut. Probably. No, that's the, he's not British, but he's like lives in Connecticut and he has no other than accent or something. Oh, God. The whole world's just built on a lie.

Comedy, comedy, comedy is cold. A little less than for you. If you're ever doing comedy, you on the line. Comedy. Comedy is cold. A little less than for you. If you're ever doing comedy, you want to be in a place that's cold. All right, I think we're probably close to needing to wrap up. Paul, this was an unstructured conversation, but I enjoyed it nonetheless. I had a good time. I hope that Magnus can find something in here that is valuable to the listener. Great.

But the important thing is that we enjoyed it. I really did. I mean, how can I identify my company and what I do? I should start, I'm practicing. You wanna plug? I'm practicing. Yeah, before we go, oh, actually I have a couple, this is, I'm glad you brought this up

because I have a couple of PSAs from the listener. All right, great. So you go ahead and talk about what you're doing. Tell me about your company. Hi, I'm Paul Ford. This is my very brief plug. I'm the co-founder of Post Light. Post Light.

Yes, it's a software development company. I'm the co-founder of Post Light. Post Light. Yes, it's a software development company. Our offices are right above Union Square on Broadway and Broadway. We'd love to hear from you. You can send me an email. Post Light, dude. Post Light builds you have big old web platform

and products on top of it. So let's say if you're like, hey, I need to do something that's a little bit like Spotify, but for these two million songs, we've done that. You need to build a big old content management system for your enormous corporate global enterprise. Yeah, we're on it. You need better content management systems.

Oh, well, not just any content management systems, but custom content management system with very agile editorial tools. That's a thing we can do, but we can work in other industries as well. What's the, for example? Oh, I would say if you were in biotechnology and needed a special kind of product to help people with something kind of compliance, we'd be great,

especially if it was on Android or iOS. I can't. Oh, yeah, things like that. Big piles of data, complicated, horrible problems. Databases. Oh, I'm all over database. I know you like data. Wow. We got a pretty big team and we are ready to help. Post like dot com. Post like dot com. Unfortunately, the website is not up. It's so new. Yeah to help. PostLight.com. PostLight.com, unfortunately the website's not up it's so new. But I'm just practicing. But it's a real company with lots of people and we're building our identity right now

and doing tons of work, which is why we haven't had to promote ourselves very much. It's quite a plug. I know it's kind of going on for you. Going on. Yeah. Sorry, let's find that one. Yeah, that's good.

Great. PostLight, check it out. And now, let me tell you guys a little something about tomorrow. First off, Magnus has been loving the email that you're sending him I'm gonna tell you that if you want to email should email Magnus at tomorrow podcast.com with a guest request personal requests complaints Critique of any type

Um, he really is a good dude Magnus or I like to call Marcus is great. He's a great thought is like that. No, Magnus is great. And he really likes the email. Also, he wanted me to tell you, if you like the podcast, I've never done this before, but I'm going to say it. If you like the podcast, go on iTunes or whatever platform you like and rate it, give it a rating, give it a little review, say nice things about it. If you want, I'm not telling you to do this. I'm saying if you like it, you can do it. You know, and I think people need to understand that that's important.

It's apparently it's important that it'll help more people hear the podcast and we'll grow and we can, you know, get, we'll do more interesting things with the podcast. So, I mean, you know, don't go on there and give like two stars. No, don't give it. If you don't like it, just say nothing. Just chill. If you don't like it, I'd just say don't say anything at all. But if you like it, be effusive in your in your print. Yeah.

Because you're getting this for free. Don't get all like me. Me, me, me, me, me. Yeah, definitely don't make that voice when you're talking about this podcast. I just want to I want people to treat this right. This is something special. Treat it with respect. It's for people.

And also you can email Magnus as I said Magnus at tomorrow podcast calm. He just loved just keep it coming and and that's it and I don't have anything else to say Except that this Paul thank you for being here. It's great. I really enjoyed this even though is the total rambling nightmare Hey, it was a total rambling nightmare and and I can't wait to have you back for your fourth appearance fourth and final Yeah, that'll be good. That's really good. Okay, that's a podcast for this week But we'll be back next week with more Podcasty goodness and as always I wish you and your family the very best and I sincerely hope none of them are harvested you. you