Tomorrow - Episode 31: Katie Notopoulos, Fast and Furious?

Episode Date: November 9, 2015

Katie Notopoulos is a senior editor at Buzzfeed, co-host of Buzzfeed’s Internet Explorer podcast, and also just happens to be Josh’s sister-in-law. The pair compare notes about their parent’s quirks, examine a phenomenon called “The Topolsky wife,” discuss whether or not having sex with your clone would be a good idea, and outline the evolution of digital photography before and after social media. Also, Katie shares an underwhelming anecdote about Magnus, the producer of this podcast, who we should mention is from Sweden.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's the least I could do. I'm not going to say that I have not been waiting and a little bit cheesed off as to why you haven't asked me on yet. Well, we had, I'll tell you now. You get that. Well, first off, I, Magnus informs me of the headphones that I asked you three times. And we've canceled on you three times, he says, yeah, okay.

You know, to be honest, at this point, you have asked me several times at the last minute when you, when some other guest bails. Yeah. And it's like the day before. Yeah. And it's almost always like a Friday, because you can't sort of get it together in time. You're like crap, I gotta do an episode by Monday. It's Friday. It's 3 p. Yeah. And it's almost always like a Friday because you can't sort of get it together in time. You're like crap. I got to do an episode by Monday. It's Friday. It's 3 p.m. You're Katie. Are you free? So let me explain. There have been a few times where we...

No, I get it. I get it. Look, I'm a whole reliable Katie. You know that you can pick up the phone and you call me and I'm going to be there because you know what? Well, we are family. We're family, but also, we're family, but also, we're more than family, we're friends, but more than that, we're also in a similar industry. I'm pouring some water right now. I hope that was picked up by the, do you like some water actually?

No, no, I'm sure. Are you sure? You got an IPA here, disgusting IPA that you're forcing me to drink. Well, listen, so, you know, I'm a fan. Well, hold on, let me just say something. Okay, all right. So, of course, when we're, you know, when we've had a few times, when we're like in the lurch so you know, I'm a well, let me say something. Okay. All right. So of course, of course, when we're,

you know, when we've had a few times when we're like, in the lurch, you know, was like, oh man, what's happening? Who's a great smart, funny, charming person who can speak on many topics? Oh yeah. Our go to, our first thought is always Katie's. Paul Ford. Paul Ford's busy.

When Paul Ford's busy, he's like, oh, you know, my kid got sick, I'm sorry, I can't make it. Then, then you're like, Katie? busy, he's like, oh, you know, my kid got sick. I'm sorry. I can't make it. Then, then you're like, Katie? Yeah. I'm like, you know what? I guess worst case scenario she could let her be on a great. What's the worst that could happen to see the conversation?

No, of course we've wanted to have you. I wanted to have you on for a long time. But actually early on in the podcast, I want to talk about this early on in the life of tomorrow. Yeah. You and I talked about a thing, which is that I've mentioned several times, which was this idea that basically was your idea, that we would... Well, let's say, not basically 100% my idea.

Let's not shortchange me here on this one. I don't need a man coming in and claiming the credit for the most brilliant idea in the history of podcasting. I'm feeling... You didn't have the follow through and the gongtion to actually make happen on schedule. I see where this has had it. Yeah. So the idea was that you and I were going

to watch the Fast and Furious series, starting with the original Fast and Furious film, Fast and Furious. And then at the beginning, we'd do 10 minutes, sort of an intro. And then in between each movie, we would do 10 minutes about the film that we just saw, but we would be drinking and getting high throughout. So after seven, how many hours would that be? Each film is about what?

14 hours. We each film is like, it feels like an hour and 30 minutes hour, two hours. Really? Probably. So after 14 hours plus the so we didn't think of like 15, 16 hours maybe, of just continuous drinking and smoking. Yeah. We would conclude. Now, now you've backed off the idea. Well, okay, here's the thing. I pitched this idea to you. Last what March, April when the fast, the most recent, yeah, fast seven. Fast seven came out. And the movie was a huge box office hit huge success and still to this day singing the great was gleeful hit see you again yeah to every day all day um it was people were talking about it the movie was hot buzz and um and the movie was hot buzz

I didn't think it was the buzz on the street everyone was a buzz about this This is buzz on the street. That's not a term that people say they were you live they do down here here in New York City There's buzz on the street anyways the the movie last spring was you know Phenomenon yeah, I think on everyone's mind yes You mentioned to me that you had never seen any of the movies. I've seen parts of some. Okay. So I've never seen a home movie. I was shocked because I sort of thought that they would be right up your alley. I don't know why you think that. Because I think that you...

Why you think I like movies about that kind of stuff? Yeah, I think you like action movies. Not really. Do I like action movies? Not really. Do I like action movies? You're like my father. This is what my father says.

He's like, oh, you wouldn't like it. He says, oh, you would see this movie. But you wouldn't like it. It's all talking. There's no gun fights. There's no shooting in it. which is like, I'm like really into big action movies, but I'm actually not. I mean, yes, I love Independence Day. You know, I love the original die hard.

Ghost Protocol. I mean, all the mission impossible movies are good. I haven't seen the most recent one, but I understand it's very good. Anything with Tom Cruise is good just by default, but like, I'm not like, you know, yeah, the Terminator films. I like the first.

They're like the best movies ever. Well, up until three, which I consider, yeah, the Terminator films. I like the first. They're like the best movies ever. Well, up until three, which I consider to be the best Terminator film. Oh my God, this is the one time that you and I actually agree on a movie. We do, we do, we do. We really? Because I think that in general, you and I have any movie

you like, I don't like it vice versa. I think that's true. We should go through some of those in a second, but let's talk about stay on Terminator three percent. But, you and I share one of the least popular opinions in cinema history. But, one of the most correct opinions. Which is that Terminator 3 is the best movie. The best movie.

First off, it's got great female characters, fully developed female characters. And they're not just running for their lives, they're fighting. One of them is a Terminator spoiler alert. Yeah. One of the women is a Terminator. And it just fully, just a fully realized world. And it answers a lot of questions for us about the backdrop of the Terminator series.

Now I haven't seen Genesis. Have you seen Genesis? The most reason one now. I saw the fourth one. In that film, I haven't seen the fourth one because it looked so bad and stupid. Christian Bales in that. Yeah, that's the Christian Bale one.

I just watched American Psycho full all the way through. Yeah. I would never have done. Oh, really? Have you seen it? Yeah. Christian Bell is very good in that movie. He's the best.

You know what else is great in that movie? Jared Leto. Yeah. He's a very small role, but he's very good in it. Do you remember the Christian Bell rant? Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. Of course, it's the guy about the lighting guy.

In fact, in fact, Magnus, I'd like it if you could bring in, if you could add it in when this is all said and done. We'd like to hear some of the Christian bail rant. Why fucking walk around and rip that? No, shut the fuck up Bruce. Do I want no? No! Don't shut me up. I'm not going to walk around and rip your fucking lights down in the middle of a scene.. What the fuck is it with you? What don't you fucking understand? You got any fucking idea about hey, it's fucking distracting. I don't remember he was yelling at a lighting guy because he was in the middle of a seat during Terminator 4 salvation. Yeah, he was filming a very dramatic scene where he required him to be in the mindset of John Conner who as we all know in case you're wondering, you know, maybe you don't know, he is leading the

resistance against the artificially intelligent Terminator robots, SkyNet, which is trying to wipe out humanity. So obviously, Christian Bell had to go to a very dark place in his mind and he's in the middle of an intense scene probably confronting the the Terminator. And a lighting guy moved a light or made a noise or something. I think he was like he kept walking back and forth and a like thing or something. So my favorite part of that rant was there's a part where I guess I kind of take this. So I'm a huge fan of Howard Stern show. Great show. Having for years. Howard's one of the greats. Siri, I'm a serious subscriber.

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And some of it's Erika, you know, has played for me, but I'm a little bit young, frankly. I'm super into like retro 90s stuff, yeah. Cause it's like 24. It's ironic, it's ironic. I like the irony of listening to 90s music, cause it's like not really my generation, but I think it's funny. It's ironic. It's ironic. I like the irony of listening to 90s music because it's like not really my Generation, but I think it's cool, but so they would they would often on the Howard Stern show play clips from the Christian bail rant and in particular like they would turn them into audio drops and one of the best ones was there's a part where he goes

Oh good for you He's like he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, look, I'm stoping around on the lighting guy. Good for you. And they would like, you know, drop in the outfit for you whatever and, and, well, let's see what barricade, when you somebody loses their temper, it's embarrassing for them, like a guy yelling at somebody

in McDonald's because he didn't get cheese on his cheeseburger or whatever. You know, you feel kind of embarrassed for them. Yeah. That is like, now it's really immortalized. I mean, it will go on forever. And it's one of the defining moments of Christian Bals career. Yeah.

So anyhow, getting back to Terminator 3, you and I agree that it's the best Terminator film. You know, I would say that there was a period in, I don't know when that movie came out probably like 2004. 2003, 2004. That sounds right to me. They were playing it in heavy rotation on HBO at some point for like the entire winter of 2004 or something. And this was one of these weird movies where like you can watch it a million times.

And you like don't even mean to. It's like failure to launch. It's a good movie. Failure to is in one of the worst things ever made But it's been played on TV so much. I've seen it at least four or five times also Oh, devil wears product. That's another one that's like incessively played on hbf You know what I think is like an interesting thing about humanity. No, so I feel like everyone has their own opinion of the world where everyone has like the movie that they believe is the movie that's constantly on TV. And this is like every, every time there's one movie that they think it's always on TV.

So for me that movie is coming to America. And it has been for years. And it's partly one of those things, like once you start noticing it, then you see it on all the time. Yeah, it's like when I started getting into motorcycles, which I'm into, I started noticing how many motorcycles there were. And now I see them when I don't think I saw them before. It's like when you have a baby,

you start to see people with babies in a way that you don't see before. You don't even see them before. I don't see people with babies because they're kind of less than human. They are. They're in human. They're just.

No, yes, I think you're right. I guess mine would be either Devil Wars Prada or Failure to Launch. Failure to launch. Failure to launch. There was a period where Failure to Launch was on TV a lot. And I feel like it was on like TBS and HBO. Same thing with Devil Wars Prada, like it hit in Blanket. I do see Devil Wars Prada on a lot.

I think that's a real one. Do you have, have you ever talked to anybody else about this? Do you know any other people's movies they think they're universe? I don't know. I mean, I have talked to other people about it, but like I said, it's one of those things for- How about my brother, Eric? You two are married.

Eric is a successful musician, a member of the band, Tan Lines. Who I, who I had, I've had on the show. Yeah, he got to be a guest on the show long before. Long before you. Long before you. You're all pal Katie. Yeah, well, I've known him a little longer, but say that. That's, I mean, they're hearing her there.

But anyway, do you know, here's maybe that he thinks is on TV all the time. I think he would have trouble answering that question because he generally has trouble answering direct questions that involve, that require him to pick a thing out of a large. He has trouble with choice. Memory. Memory.

It's his memory. He was like the character from a mentor in a lot of ways. This morning Eric and I went to a brisk. Oh, you did. For Eric's bandmate Jesse, who was also on your podcast. Oh, right. Yeah, Jesse Cohen. And he also hosted podcast, No Effects.

No Effects. That's right. That's correct. Which I've never been on. Yeah. So I feel your pain. Okay. Yeah. Have you been podcast. No effects. No effects. That's right. That's correct. Which I've never been on. Yeah. So I feel your pain. Okay. Yeah. Have you been on that?

No. Well, we should both be musicians. I was a musician. I was a musician. Anyhow, so you went to this press? Who went to this press? Well, a joyous occasion. A very joyous,

I really enjoyed it. You did. Have you ever been to one before? I know it was my first press. Oh, yeah. It was shocking. Shocking. It was, I thought it was a really nice ceremony.

Like you sort of get the whole family together and you do this little thing for baby when it's born. It's just the little thing, just a little thing. Yeah, you know, it's a nice, nice place. It's a nice place. Magnus wouldn't know anything about that. No, Magnus, not circumcised. That's a circumcised.

Yep. Uncut. But so I was asking him, I was like, so, you know, Eric, what have you been to a press before? And he's like, yeah, I went to one, like a cousin. In Jersey. And he was like, yeah, you know, Eric, what have you been to a press before? And he's like, yeah, I went to one like a cousin. And Jersey. And he was like, yeah, I was nine. And I was like, nine.

What cousins you have that would have been a baby when you were not? And it's like sort of doing the math. And I know who Eric and your cousins are. And I'm like, you guys don't have a cousin that would be nine years younger. It's actually like your second cousin, Zach. Zach, yeah, sure. And I was like, wait a minute, Zach is like way younger. Zach is like 20 years younger than you.

Not 20 years, but I was like, Zach is, we did the math in terms of he was 18. Okay, pretty close. So his memory of this event was that he was nine years old. Now I understand there's some some things you would remember. I know it was maybe the fourth grade, fifth grade, or nine, somewhere between eight and ten. I year it, but he was a thing happened to him when he was age 18. That he thought happened to him when he was nine.

It's a very extreme leap, I will say that. It's hard to imagine how one would make such a, I mean, nine years old is you know very little about the world You would in an 18 maybe you drove a little bit on the way to the brisk Maybe you you know like you might have had a little drink of something because 18 is basically 21 I mean you would know some things at that at that time. Yeah, that would be indicative that would indicate You were a little bit older than nine years old. Yeah, right. Things would have happened. Yeah. You would have had to shave that morning.

Yeah. You know, but I don't know what goes through. He said, I don't know what's going on. You know, he's a unique person. And that's how I love that. And let's get back to Katie. I'm so like, Katie, no way. So you were, we never finished the Fast and Furious

conversation. Oh, so you've just really an idea. I said, look, I'm going to come over. I'm going to sleep over. We're going to make a whole day out of this. We're going to record it all day long. We're going to watch each movie, do 10 minutes to talk about the movie in between. This is going to be great. This is going to be a stunt. It'll be fun. I love a stunt.

We marathon, we'll do it on like a Saturday afternoon. And you seem pretty into the idea. Yes. And then it never really happened. I was very into the idea. And then like, three weeks ago, you're like, hey, how about that first and furious thing? I was like, you know, I was like,

I was like, I was, I was, you know. I mean, the movie's on Blu-ray now. Actually, that's actually good because we couldn't have seen it. That's true. We needed it to be on Blu-ray actually. And in fact, I remember that one of the things I thought when you first mentioned, because it was when the movie was in theaters, was like, well, we'll have to wait till it's available to rent.

Because otherwise you couldn't do it. And it was, and now it's been available for like, maybe a month or two. Yeah. So not that long. So we would have had to have the film. We kind of obtained it by other means. And anyway, I think there are a lot of fans out there, fans of you and fans of me that would love to hear that. Who want to hear? And I think they're dying for that podcast. And I think that if you, if you don't give it to them, we're doing them a disservice

and we're doing ourselves a disservice. If you want to hear this, please write in to Magnus at tomorrowpodcast.com. That's right. That's his email. Why don't we do it? We could do a Twitter poll. Do a Twitter poll. Why don't we do a Twitter poll when this goes up?

Yeah. And say, if you want to see Josh and Katie if you want to hear Josh and Katie watch 14 hours of Fast and Furious while getting drunk and high and podcasting in between Yes or no, yeah, and whatever the audience says is what we'll do. I mean here's the other thing that is like a Big reservation of mine a little bit. Yeah, you're where you can't hold your own with me on the drink.

I'm a little worried that I'm not sure the world wants to hear you and I after 14 hours of drinking and getting high. I think that that might sound a lot less funny than we think it sounds. I think it would make sound funnier than we think it sounds. Possibly.

You don't know, because you've never been there. That's true. You know, it's like, you don't know what's gonna happen. Yeah. Anyway, I'm willing to risk it. I'm willing to try, but I think if we are used moderation, you know, if we really pace ourselves, here's the thing. I'm a big fan of the origin story, okay?

Yeah. And I really want to see the characters and the plots of the Fast and Furious universe unfold. I'm a guy who loves a big, complete universe. Yeah. And I feel like I'm going to get one the Fast and Furious universe unfold. I'm a guy who loves a big, complete universe. And I feel like I'm going to get one with Fast and Furious. Can I tell you one of the weirdest things that happened to me watching Fast and Furious? Actually, I have many stories about weird things that happened to me during watching Fast and Furious. Okay, yeah, I'll hear one at least.

So the first movie came out when I was in college. That would be Fast and Furious. Fast and Furious. The Fast and Furious? And Furious, the Fast and Furious. Yeah, the Fast and Fur. The fast and furious. The fast and the furious. Yeah. The fat. No, no. The fast and the furious was the first movie. I believe so. Yes. Two two two two. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And you know, Vin Diesel was kind of like this sort of cheesy star. I don't know. This is

pre triple act. Yeah, this is, yeah, pre triple X. I think this is probably the year 2001. Yeah. So I- This is a post-9-11 film. I think it's either, it's right around that. I was probably filmed before as my guest. Okay.

It might have been the year before. It's only Magnus Kuchiamen. Yeah. My Magnus, by the way, for those who don't know, is my producer who is originally from Sweden. He's now has some type of American, something, a green card or something. But Magnus, could you tell us when the first Fast and Furious film came out?

He's doing absolutely no research whatsoever. I would say he's just sitting, doing nothing right now. And go on. So a lot of things in that. So I saw something in college, and my college, like many colleges would sometimes have. Magnus says it came out in that. So I saw it in college and you know, my college like many colleges would sometimes have. Magnus says it came out in 2001.

Okay, so they would show movies like at the sort of like college. Pre-911. Sorry, pre-911, is that what I'm hearing Magnus? Okay, okay, you. Like I want to say it's like spring 2001. Okay. June 22nd is when it was released.

There you go. Very close. So I go in and I'm watching, I went by myself. Cause I really wanted to see this movie, but no one else only wanted to see this. And it's getting close to the end. I can tell that this is like, I don't know, we're, we're 15, 20 minutes out from the end, building to the climax. So like right in the third act is sort of starting. We're about to find out what happens.

And I, I get up out of my seat and I leave the theater because I'm like you know what you left the theater I left the theater because I was like I know in my heart that I'm gonna want to see this movie again at some point Because this is so great. I've enjoyed this movie so much But when I see it a second time I want to get to be surprised by what happens in the end So I want to get to be surprised by what happens in the end. So I want to see 85% of the movie so that when I want to get... You need to be really amped up to the... I can still have the enjoyment of not knowing what happens. So how?

And then I saw it later on video and with friends and guys saw the ending and... I don't want to hear about it because I was spoiled my experience, but my guess is I mean, I don't want to spoil it, but Vin Diesel does fuck the car It's it's it's it's kind of it. It's like a 12 minute scene of him just slowly thrusting into various parts of the I just one part not just one part. It's like you might think it's like the tailpipe But you know, he's just like he's just slathering his nude body. The tailpipe is the tailpipe involved. Oh yeah.

It's not the way you think. It's not what you're going to get to the tailpipe. No spoilers. Yeah, but I feel like you just spoil a little bit for all of us anyhow. The spoiler is involved too. He helps the spoiler. That's maybe one of the funniest things you've ever said.

That was very good. So let's talk about, now so we're gonna do it or we're not gonna do it. Let's let the people decide. Oh, that's right, we'll do the Twitter poll after this, when this goes up. So now let's talk about professional Katie. Okay.

On time by Katie. I'm very professional. I want to tell you that you're professional lifestyle. I lead a very professional lifestyle. You are at one of the people I know who's most professional. I want to tell you that your professional lifestyle. I have a lead of a very professional lifestyle. You are at one of the people I know who's most professional. It's three of the best. You're senior out of there at Buzzfeed, which is of course one of the darlings, one of the darlings of the internet. Now you had nothing to do with this. I saw a post the other day was, would you suck your own weiner or have you tried to suck your own weiner now. You had nothing to do with that, correct? Not correct.

You did have something to do with that. Yeah. Before it was posted. Sponsored, that was by the way, had a great sponsorship next hit, which was a Jolly Rage sponsorship. It was things that life. Things that life that really suck. Yeah.

Yeah. What happens is that brands will sponsor like badges on BuzzFeed. So wait, that sort of badges work, because people can, they read a post and they can vote, oh, I think this is law, or OMG, or WTF. You don't have a sock badge. There's no sock, but if it gets enough of those votes, it gets a badge at the top of the post.

And what brands can do is brands can sponsor a particular badge. A particular emotion, really. Right, so maybe it's a pet food company that wants to sponsor all the content that gets voted cute. You know something like that. Cute is a badge. Cute is a badge. The sexy is really like a sexy badge.

There's an U and there's I think there's like a WTF. Okay, there's not a hot badge. There's like a sexy badge. There's an U and there's a, I think there's like a WTF. Okay, so a hot badge. There's not a hot badge. I feel like they need a section of the little bit. Because this is a place where a hot badge would obviously be applied. What'll happen is that like, so I guess in this case,

Jolly Rancher was like, we want to sponsor all the WTF content. Right. Or maybe the law. So the suck was just like a happy accident. Yeah, So interested. It just so happened that that day, I guess, all content that had been flat, the traditional L.O.L. badge, or I actually don't know what it was.

I didn't examine this closely. I'm guessing what happened here. All content that had been marked as the L. had a little sponsorship next to it that said LOL like sponsored by Jolly Rancher because Jolly Rancher wants to have a fun, all the other people who are a lot of people who are Lollie and they want to be thinking about Jolly Rancher. And so normally this works out pretty well. Occasionally there are these moments where there is a little bit of mismatch between the

actual headline and content and the sponsored brand. And in this case, a hilarious just-cause position of a sucky candy and a dick sucking question. When I'm curious about, well, because I felt like that was a follow-up. I mean, it was in the same vicinity as I saw something that you definitely had it had, it was something you talked about on your podcast, which would you have sex with your clone. Yeah, I think this is a very important question. And we can talk, well, let's talk about that in a second, but I didn't have anywhere to go with that, except that I wanted

to point out that there was a story in BuzzFeed. There was, and I- The sponsorship next to that story was, however you view it, one may view it as amazing and very good. I'm kind of curious, I would love to know how Jolly Ranch reviewed it. You know, I would love to know how Jolly Ranch reviewed it. You know, I would love to know too. I have no like finally we're reaching our target audience. I mean, I have I mean, those people love to suck. They are looking, I mean, I have no idea

how the brands feel about content that's on Buzzfeed that does not filter through to me or to anyone in the editorial team. So you're here until you're here. Brands are very unhappy with you. What I hear all the time is please fire Katie Nathaphalas. That's the one thing that we love to say. Buzzfeed, we love what you're doing. It's just one problem. Katie Nathaphalas has to go. It's so weird because it's not even like it's not like I hear it through, you know,

the editor-in-chief calls me and he's like, look we're getting some blowback. That simply doesn't happen. But what happens is I actually see like Charlie Rancher will tweet at Buzzfeed, firecading the top of this place. Please firecading. Give us a fucking refund until you firecading it. Sometimes maybe they'll schedule like a desk side meeting with you to tell you that they

want you to be fired. Have you ever accepted a desk side meeting? Never, never. So first off, first off, here's my question about desk side. If you don't know, if you don't work in the media industry, if you're not in news or whatever, you may not get these emails. But yeah, we get a lot of emails that are like desk side meeting. And it's like somebody wants you to meet with some CEO of some company

about something or some like they want to demo something for you or whatever the dumb thing is. My question is like, who's desk side are you talking about? Is it my desk side? Because I definitely don't want to meet with you at my desk. No, I believe that's what's meant. And I do not want to go to where you are. I believe that what these are meant to be is that

PR people who want to get their clients in front of reporters to cover their clients. They wanna make it, they know that's a little bit of an uphill battle from time. I mean, people interested in front of that. Yeah, get on the train, you gotta go travel downtown to their office. Well, but so what they're saying is,

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You know, going to come by and show you this great new app for knowing whether somebody, whether somebody murdered somebody or not. Exactly. I have not accepted ever an offer for that. Why did they bring up desk side meetings? I don't know. I don't know either. Okay, that's a great, but I'm going to take a break.

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I think you're the opposite. I didn't hear this episode. I assume you get you and Ryan talked about it. Ryan Brodrick is your co-host on Internet Explorer. How fortuitous, by the way, I don't know if this was planned or just is an happy accident, but at the literally at the moment you launch Internet Explorer, Microsoft killed the name Internet Explorer. Yeah, wonder why.

Well, they're like, okay, look, Katie, the top of this is involved. That's it. That's it, we got a revenge. We have the round for this. We have the round for this. I'm like going into a Donald Trump style voice for all these people. Anyhow. I think that a key thing that you're misunderstanding is that, and I apologize if I

missed spoke earlier, but the name of the podcast is not internet explorer a trademark Oh, and find Microsoft God know we want to do that. It's BuzzFeed's internet explorer. Oh, I'm sorry I'm sorry. BuzzFeed's internet explorer. Yeah, that's the name of the podcast. That should be a good should get you I mean if anything for for Microsoft, that's like the coolest thing. It's happened in a long time because they're like oh Finally people are talking about it in Explorer again. I mean, I will say that the downside is so we have a Twitter account I explore You know you can follow it and tweet us about podcast. I mean, I will say that the downside is so we have a Twitter account. I explore You know you can follow it and tweet us about the letter. I explore letter. I explore no space No, I don't want to score anything

Okay, but the problem is cool fog by the like people People tweet at us all the time My tabs will close I explore you suck and I'll be like, oh man, this is like someone hates a part. And then I realize that they're like, my stuff keeps crashing. And I'm like, oh, okay, you're just mad at the-

A kid who's on flash. Yeah. Well, I'm sorry about that. All right, so let's get back to the fun question. Yeah, so I think this is important. I don't, I would not have sex with my clone. Why? I don't, first of all, I don't think I'd be attracted to it.

That's the first thing. I don't think that that matters I'd be attracted to it. That's the first thing. I don't think that that matters. I have a couple thoughts on that. Yeah. Well, I have a couple questions first. Okay. Do your parents listen to this? Yeah, maybe. I don't think that listen to it religiously. Susan Dave, I'm so sorry. Okay. Can we make sure that they skip this episode? I feel like the problem is that it's going to be too enticing if it's going to be a lot. Why, why? You want to keep the sharad going that you're not this person To my parents listen, I think they need to know who the real Katie is Would you fuck your clone that's Katie, but you know, that's your daughter-in-law my my mother listens to every episode of the internet Explorer podcast

And she reads every single Must be scandalized on a regular basis. She is. It's um she's brought it up a couple times. I mean she your mother is lovely by the way. I hope she listens to this but I because I'd like to say to her you're a lovely person.

Um I eventually had to tell her at some point mom you can't keep telling me that you got a little offended that I say so many curse words because if I know in the back of my head that you are listening and judging and feeling uncomfortable, I can't do what I have to do. I can't perform.

You can't let something like that hold you down. I can't be the garbage monster that, you know, I need to be if I have this little thing in the back of my head saying my mom's listening and she's not gonna like it if she hears me say Penis I mean you're dirtier than a toilet bowl at a bar at 3 a.m. on a Saturday night at in New York And you can't let your mother stop you from being that way right And you have getting back to speaking of dirty toilet balls my clone

I'm saying first off you'll have a better looking clone than me. Let's me just say that I'm not Hitting on you, but let me just say I think you're more attractive than I am. Thank you. I mean, I, people, this is a podcast of people can't see it, but I'm absolutely gorgeous. You are very, just for the record. I'm very fantastic. You know Heidi Klum, like Heidi Klum, but actually good. But like, if I sit next to her, you'd be like, who's the dog? And I'd be like, oh, that's Heidi. Like, who's that blonde hair and the model that everybody talks about? Kate Upton. Yeah. Like Kate Upton, if Kate optin was really sexy Right. Yeah, like people would look at her and they would feel sick to their stomach throw up and then they would

Look at me and they would do the thing with the throw up. They swallow it back down. That's right. Yeah So I've heard a lot of people give their opinions. I think men in my My experience men have said that they are more reluctant to sex with their clients Yeah, Mike. I'm like well. Well, my clone, no, I don't care about that. It's not a gay thing. It's you. First of everybody's a little bit gay. Second, my clone wouldn't be attractive to me because I'm not attractive to me.

But I think that here's the thing. I'm actually somewhat upset when I see my reflection. Here's one thing. I, I, I feel very firmly is that having sex with people you're not attracted to is a character building exercise that everyone should do. I'm not saying, you can't have sex with someone you're not. Well, first of all, I don't know what that means.

I think getting it is so much. It's good, it's good for the soul. You have sex with someone you're not attracted to. Very easily. I don't know about that. I'm, look, maybe you. I don't know. I think it's easier for you. I did a lot of hard time with it. Look, or not a hard time. If you know, maybe, you know, it's more complicated. Anybody really nothing. Okay. Okay. Um, I

think that especially if it was like, I wouldn't have sex with some random clone that I was not attracted to, but it's my own clone, it's me. I can't. I don't know. Someone else's clone. I get that's another person. That's just another person. That's just a person. But I think the thing is that it's you.

It's you. It has to be. Yeah. So you can both be standing there and be like, this is kind of fucking weird, but let's just fucking go for it. Yeah, yeah, I hear you. I hear you.

But still, I think you're dealing with a better product. You've got, I guess you. I hear you. But still I think you're dealing with a you're dealing with a better product, you know, you've got I I guess my my take is like I understand the curiosity I Guess when all of a sudden don't I'd rather have sex with somebody else's clone. Have you seen the movie the prestige? Yes, no spain nose boilers. I know. I know We can talk about the rest of the stage. Oh, let's preface this. We're going to talk about the critical, single thing you need to know about the movie The Breastige, which if you know it, we'll ruin the experience of watching the film.

And it's a great movie. So skip to, there's going to be a point. I don't know what it's going to be. Magnus says he will come in and tell people what point they can skip to to avoid the spoiler about the prestige I don't know how he's gonna do that, but I guess his voice will be heard People think Magnus doesn't exist even though I've said many times he's from Sweden and he is my producer Yeah, and he is talking so maybe you'll hear from him To avoid spoilers skip to 40 minutes and 35 seconds. Okay, anyhow, now we're going to spoil the prestige

if you haven't seen it. Okay, so the premise of the movie, the prestige is that... Starring Christian Bale. Yeah. As Hugh Jackman is a huge... Hugh Jackman and Christian Bale, great cast. Hugh Jackman develops this amazing... It's sort of sent in like Victorian times.

It is sent in the... He develops this awesome magic trick where every night he goes into a seemingly unbreakoutable, death-defying thing. He's like, who do you need up inside of a water tank? He's like a water tank and then poof, and he turns up in the rafters of the theater where it's being performed. And he's alive and well.

And everyone thinks that he's just a really skillful magician. It turns out that he is using actual magic by he has discovered a cloning machine that allows him to like teleport a clone. And every night what he does is he actually dies in the water tank and he sends a clone, or I guess he goes up in the rafters and he sends the clone of himself to die in the water tank.

He basically creates the clone, drops the clone into the tank, and then kills it. And then kills it, and then he sort of runs up to the raft. Right. And at the end, it's revealed that underneath the stage, there's like hundreds of his dead clones that have all been drowned. And it's like horrifying because you're like, oh my god, he's killing himself every night. Aversion of him is suffering and dying, drowning, his horrible, miserable death. But not him.

So I think of the having sex with their clone in this way of like, Hugh Jackman, every night is willing to treat his clones with... In a film. In a human way. In a film. That he, he's willing to totally sacrifice them and make them do something that he wouldn't want to do himself. Yes, and I feel like that's the advantage of fucking your clown.

Yeah, okay, it's like you might not want to suck your dick. I can understand. I can understand. I can really understand why your mother would be a little bit disappointed with what she hears on your other podcast. Anyhow, so to answer your question, no, I would not have sex with a clone. My clone, I'd have sex with another clone of someone else who I found attractive. Can we get Magnus answer the question real quick? Magnus, you guys, yeah, would you have sex with your clone Magnus?

Yes, you would. Yeah, thank you Magnus. Magnus, Magnus, I think. Not even a moment of hesitation. I think honestly when people say that they wouldn't, I think their liar is not lazy. I'm not lying. I might be crazy. Magnus has even a moment hesitation. I think honestly when people say that they wouldn't I think they're liars I'm not lying. I'm not lying. I might be crazy. I might be crazy, but I'm not lying. Do you want to hear a great Magnus story? Yes, I do. Yes, I do. Yes. Magnus, who's a real person? Magnus is a good friend of mine and Magnus is actually before I know Magnus is your friend. Yeah, Magnus is married to my college roommate and my best friend, Amy.

Who's a wonderful person, too good for Magnus, so that we can all agree anyhow. So one time Magnus and Amy and Eric, my husband, your brother, and I, we were all, we were driving. Very cozy, all very cozy. Yeah, we're on like a little road trip to go away for the weekend.

And we went through I Think it was a KFC like on the on the road So then you have to keep in mind is like Magnus is from Sweden Which is a first world country that in many ways is extremely similar to the US So we're going through this KFC and Magnus occasionally these little like sweetishisms will come out where he's like clearly European and not an American. Yeah. So we're going through KFC drive-through or like getting everyone's order to order into the like voicey-ly box and you know it's like a bubble-blah and then the person is like you know he orders like a combo meal and they're like what do you want to have to drink with it? And Magnus is like, ah, like a mineral water?

And like he tried to order a mineral water at KFC. This is the story. And in his mind, it's a great story because I mean, mineral water, I get it. He wanted to, what did you want to sparkling water? He wanted the spark, he wanted shelter. Yeah. But like, what do they know that Cassie doesn't have celtar. What do they do? They have celtar. Of course they do.

But they can bake it from the soda machine. They have celtar. But he wanted a bottle of mineral water. Well, not they don't have. You know what? You know what? Actually, they may have it now. I can't believe they're mineral water sympathizer. I don't, I actually don't really like mineral water

because it's not as busy as I needed to be. But that's a whole other story. I can't believe you're a mineral water sympathizer. I don't, I actually don't really like mineral water because it's not as fizzy as I needed to be. But that's a whole other story. So tell me about, let's talk about your podcast. I can't need another beer. Can we get Katie and IPA? Yeah. Can I have a little touch, a little sip of whiskey?

That'll be great. So let's talk about your podcast. You have this podcast, it's called Buzzfeed the Internet Explorer. Not to make him do the Internet Explorer, because of course a completely trademark thing of Microsoft Corporation. Yeah, not in Microsoft. Microsoft Corporation. Yeah.

So Buzzfeed the Internet Explorer, you and Ryan Broderick, what's happening? Oh, I'm seeing some emotions. Do you think my purse? Yeah. Okay, Katie's telling me I just wear her bottle of this. Yeah, look, Paul Ford gets to come on, bring Tequila. I feel like it's only fair that I get to have a beer. Absolutely, actually, I wish we had to kill up. You know, for afternoon.

I wish we had tequila here. You don't like tequila straight. You don't? Yeah. I don't like any liquor straight. I don't like any liquor straight. I don't like any margarita. That sounds good.

But I don't really drink liquor straight. I went to prior to this podcast. I went across Australia as a heads up drink with some. with some action and have a drink, but I had like a coke at a bar. It's called rubies, Rudy's. Oh, Rudy's famous famous New York City dive. It's a total dive. Yeah. And it's perfect. All those very loud. I for a daytime meeting very loud. Yeah. A little too loud for a daytime meeting. Very interesting atmosphere for a daytime meeting. Cash only. that's my new place.

Josh, I mean, I feel like what you're saying, when you say I had a daytime meeting and you went to Rudy's, like that's I think what like sad alcoholic men from New Jersey, like hanging out at a party. Daytime meeting. I had daytime meeting with Jack Daniels Thank you

Rudy's is like a famous New York City bar that's famous for being a like degenerate like dive bar I didn't think there were degenerates in there honestly. Everybody looked pretty normal. What was that? Wow, what is this? I know you can drink kind of I don't I don't want any we can have your beer I'm scared I'm afraid I'll spill it out of there. I don't want any. We can have your beer in it. I'm scandering out. I'm afraid I'll spill it out of this. I've been given what can only. It's beautiful though. I mean, given what can only be described as a gobble.

Neither of these stories sound good. Anyhow, OK, we're back with Katie the topless. We've gotten some whiskey now. She got another goose, IPA goose IPA drink it down. Goose Island is not a sponsor. I just thought I'd give them a little something there. I don't care for IPAs or beer really of any type. I'm the opposite of an all-american guy.

Yeah. I don't like sports, I don't like beer. What you do like is soccer and Hitler. I like Hitler. Hitler's one of my faves and soccer, of course. Soccer is, you mean football as well as we call it yeah exactly sports guy you know like you know like i don't like sports i don't like sports i don't like your brother however and your father huge pit spurt stealers fans

are they huge fans they watch every game and they call each other and talk throughout the entire game it's very annoying if you have a they have a relationship that I'll never enjoy. I will say this in my youth, well, that that maker's mark is not smooth. I've been drinking, I've started to try to drink some some blended anyhow, some whiskey, but from my youth, what I remember about my father is that he would watch Steelers games. And I think this is very indicative of my family. He would watch Steelers games and he would talk about how they were going to lose the whole time. And would call them, would call, he particularly called them, he would say, like, look at these sausages. Which I think him, which meant bad. Yeah. Though I think most people think sausages delicious.

Um, I just really don't think he was describing the Steelers as delicious meat. But I will say he, he, he always watched with an eye to losing. You know, so I mean, I guess people who are loyal, and still does, I assume. People who are loyal listeners of your podcast and, um, um, they probably wonder what your family's like.

They know. Have your parents on sometimes. So that's been, so They know. So have your parents on sometimes. So that's been some magnets suggested I have my parents on and I just want to say no one knows anything about my family that listens to this. We don't talk. I don't really talk about my parents very much. But feel free. Feel free to talk about whatever you want.

I do not want to do that. No, I don't care. I don't care. Everything is allowed here. Everything is permissible. There are no limits. This is like Zombocom. Your parents, my parents-in-law, my mother-in-law.

Yes, it's an incident. They are unlike any other humans that have I have ever met in my life. And it's very interesting. Like you are a unique person who there is no other person exactly like you. And when you see your parents, it makes sense that because you wonder like, what kind of parents could raise Josh or like, who, how did this person exist on Earth?

How did he come to be you? Yes, I'm sure many people think that. And you're not like your parents that much, ish? More I think than you think. Okay. I don't know. But your parents are both, they're different from each other.

I'm sure in qual, you're regrettable, similar. I even think you have a lot in common with them. Okay, this is interesting. But yeah, but one of the things is that they often prepare for the worst. And like see. Well, you think I prepare for the worst? No, I don't think that's a quality.

I think I'm very optimistic. Actually, I just had this conversation with Lauren last night. I think I'm aggressively optimistic to a point that is unhealthy and sometimes gets me into trouble. Like why wouldn't it work out? Yeah. That's usually what I think. But then I also have, of course, I'm very like bipolar where I'll have bouts of tremendous self-doubt and worry. Well, if I were you, I'd have a lot of self-doubt. I'd have to.

Today's the cause you see my anxiety. I mean, you had a lot to doubt about. I have a lot to. I have a look. I already told you I wouldn lot to doubt about. I have a look at you. I have a look, I already told you, I wouldn't fuck my clone. It's all downhill from there. I'm not even attractive enough to myself, to have sex with myself.

Anyhow, that's just the least of my problems. Go ahead. But you think we have similarities. I think you have a lot of similarities. I think that you and your mother are a lot more alike than you realize. We're very tough. I think you're both sometimes kind of stubborn

in like you know, you want things done your way. And sometimes you guys butt heads. And I think that's because you're so similar in these specific ways. She's a fighter and I'm a fighter. Yeah. And we love to fight and sprint. And you, I think that you sometimes, it's always funny watching people with their parents, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Like, so not your parents. Because there's being an adult and having parents

means that most of the time you like eventually get to this point, you're like, well, you're just two other adults and you're kind of like some adults that I know. Right. Just kind of older. Just Susan and Dave. Yeah, then there's certain moments where you rever back to being like a child teenager and you're like, oh mom, oh, mom.

And I think you get to that point kind of easily. How do you like it? Yeah, I think that sometimes you sort of fight with your parents like you're a teenager. They can be very frustrating to me and I don't take the high road. They're very frustrating sometimes and I instead of going like, all right, they're my parents. There's times when you pretend and you break instead.

That's right. I think for my life, I think that's a fairly that's fairly Comment I had I had a moment with that recently with my with my mother What you do is about swearing on your podcast. No, it was actually it was really funny I it was in the mix mids of having a really like Heartwarming experience with her that I really enjoyed I had been working on a article that has not yet been published, but it involved It involved like a lot of legal business documents that I was having trouble reading because you know They were legal I'm not a lawyer and like they were also like sort of related to like stock market finance kind of stuff like some

SEC filing whoa, and I was like, uh, you know, sounds like a great article. I can't wait to read it. I'll be honest It's gonna be great and Makers how does anybody drink Makers mark? This is like poison. This is like drinking is so harsh I just had to pour water into it. What is this is just used for mixing right? People have it on the rocks maybe Go ahead my mother works in finance. And so I asked her, I was actually like,

this was over the summer, this is a while ago. I was home visiting and I brought all this giant stack of papers. And I had been asking her sort of over the phone and over email for some help with stuff. I'd ask people in my office, but like, I don't know, people are busy they're working on their own stuff. And, you know, my mom, she's busy too, but she's like obligated to have to help me.

She's like, she brought me into the world and now she's helped me with reading SEC finally. Of course. So I brought this this time. And she's a power, we should say your mother's a powerful business woman. She's a power we should say your mother's a powerful

business woman. She's, yeah, she's a business woman. Um, so I was asking my mother for help with these documents. Yes. And she was very help at first

and was actually really fun because it's sort of like for the first time in years, you know, I had this, I was a dynamic with my parents where I wasn't just sort of like visiting or doing a kid.

You guys were doing it. We were actually sort of like, we were working on this thing together. Two adults, two great adults. Well, just having the experience of working with someone as a colleague or like, you're working on a project together, you're talking about stuff together. It was sort of, it was a fun different way

of interacting with my mom other than I normally do. Would you say it was a great bonding experience? I would definitely say that. Okay. Um, but there was also parts where she was trying to explain to me a lot of sort of like high finance concepts, which were a little bit like difficult for me to understand partly because what I have realized is my mom is not that good at explaining stuff. But it totally took me to this zone of like being a teenager and my mom like helping me with homework, trying to explain to me something and like explaining it in a way that is maybe not that clear

and me getting really annoyed about it. Like, I don't know. There's a very specific frustration that you have when you're like, I don't know. There's a very specific frustration that you have when you're like, I don't know was also like, she was trying to explain them in a way that, you know, like, when you want to explain something that you understand and you don't really know, I mean like, Oh, you dummy, she was dumbing it down for you. Sort of, or like me, simultaneously dumbing it down,

but also in some cases not enough, so she'd be like, oh, well, you have to understand is that that's just the like bubble blow. And I'd be like, oh, well, you have to understand. Is that that's just the like bubble blah? And I'd be like, what is that? Yeah. I mean, it's just. That's frustrating. I'm getting frustrated just hearing about it.

I feel like I'm doing exactly that of like not being good at explaining what you're trying to say. But it was this interesting thing where it took me to that like teenage place where I was like, oh my God, I haven't felt this level of teenage annoyance at my mom in 15 years. Did you express that to her?

I didn't tell her at the time, but I totally was like, okay, whatever, my understanding on her like, I don't know. Did you say it like that? I mean, I totally got what I mean. It's a very interesting, it's a very interesting teen sound that you just created. I have to say, I don't think I sound like that one. I get frustrated with my parents. I think I sound a lot angrier and less frustrated.

I think I sound more distraighted up and they're like an angry person. Yeah. Now Magnus asked while you were in the midst of that story. He wanted to talk about, he wanted you to talk about the Tepulsky wife. Oh, my, my, my, I see. You have a grand, you have a grand unified theory

of Topolsky wives, which I don't really understand and I've really never heard fully articulated. Do you wanna talk about this? Yeah, so if you're an avid listener to the tomorrow podcast, you have heard. What you are, because you're listening to episode 31. Is this episode 31? You don't just jump in at 31.

Your wife, Laura, has been on your podcast twice. She is my wife. And one of those episodes was she talks about a incident that happened just before you started recording where your baby fell off the bed. And even though she was across the room or something, you somehow blamed it on her for the baby falling out of the bed.

But I feel like there was some blame to go around. So this is like a classic topolski move of like something going wrong. Like you, this happened to actually kind of recently, like Eric dropped something on the floor. Like he was getting to the stove and dropped it and was like, God damn it, Katie. And like, this was my fault. floor like he was getting to me out of the stove and dropped it and it's like god damn it Katie and like

my fault well we talked it were you talking to him no we distracted him i think that anyone who is married or in a serious relationship has these moments of like when you like stub your toe for some reason you notice that your partners shoes are next to the table, and that's what tribute you somehow blame them. And for that one moment that you're to always really hurting in your mind, you were like cursing out your spouse, you were like annoyed about it. Somehow this is their fault. Well, I think I think we're, I mean, even though it's completely not.

I think we're always looking for someone to blame for something that goes wrong. I think that's just natural. That's why I think when you bite your tongue or your cheek, it's the most egregious, horrible kind of pain because like, I think it's very upsetting and painful because it hurts really bad. But also, you know what I'm talking about when you're accidentally bite your tongue or your cheek. Sure. But I think it's doubly painful because you know that there's no one possible that you

can blame except yourself for having it having had it happen. And it's so like you, there's a lot of, I get, I feel like sometimes like when it happens, I get so, I'm so mad. And there's nowhere that frustration can't go anywhere except in in word. Whereas like with other things, I feel like you can easily go like you were distracted me or you're talking or I saw you out of the corner of my eye or shoes or here or whatever and you could find some like connected point. You know, it's funny because the the bite in your cheek or lip thing is your brother, my husband, is exactly the same way. I'm starting to wonder if it's maybe a fact

that both of you refused orthodontics as tweens. Wow, this is getting really personal and rude. From something... No, we have monstrous teeth. We have monstrous teeth. I've made a career out of not letting people see my teeth. If you saw my teeth, you would start crying and run away. For my husband biting the inside of his cheek

or his left or something is a thing that happens fairly often and is for him a complete day ruiner. Like it's terrible. And I think that for you, it's true in your day. And I wonder if it's because your teeth are kind of all in different directions. No, I think it's because I think it's not a good one. That's possible, but I think it's because it hurts and you keep re-entering it because then you've got your thing in there.

And I just think it's very, I actually, I've thought about this a lot and I think it's the psychology of it is like, there's nowhere else to put the blame except on yourself. And so it's frustrating and painful. That I think is like classic to palski. So where something that- Yeah, what is it to palski wife syndrome?

I'm gonna remember you call it. So a classic to palski is you bite the inside of your mouth by accident and Mo from a normal person You're like ow that hurts and then you get over it for 30 seconds You're like, oh, I really hurt and then you like kind of no care and you move on with your day Yeah, for Tupulsky. This is a day runner. You're you're stewing your angry your upset. I don't get my days. Don't get ruined by it Okay, but the reaction is right

Okay, sure, okay is fine. Ericline. It's a high reaction. Sure, okay. Sure. Why not? And, you know, you like things exactly so. I, you know, you're a very clean person. You're pretty fastidious in your home. Yeah.

You like making sure that things are straightened, things are tidy. Yeah. You see a little something on the floor, you'll be preoccupied with for 20 minutes, with cleaning up with the paper towel. I have a white glove, I have a white glove that I go through the house with and I make sure everything is dust free. Of course.

And I can't. I can't. Josh's home is the cleanest home that a human could have with a baby in a dog. Like. What does that mean? It's not clean enough. It is that most people with a very young toddler and a dog, there's a little

bit more mess going on. But your house isn't peckable. We keep cracking the wet because you're very clean. Well, it's not my doing. I'll be honest with you. But we do try to keep that. But you like you a mess for a place for everything and everything and it's place Katie. That is my motto. That is what I live by. You blow out the mic on that one. Sorry, I feel very serious about it. No, I think I think when I'm in a space that is my motto. That is what I live by. You blow out the mic on that one. Sorry, I feel very serious about it. No, I think when I'm in a space that is disorderly or dirty, I can't think straight.

I can't work. It actually, my physical surroundings can be very disruptive to me. So the Tupolski wife, which is myself, Laura, and Magnus. Technically your mother, although when I examine situation. Do we come to the conclusion that somehow Magnus and Amy had also had the Polsky Why so okay, so are you the to Polsky wife think of this not as like actually like someone who's last name is to Polsky versus

their wife think of this as an archetype okay, there's a to Polsky and there's a to Polsky wife and every really this is like this since the dawn of time There's a to Polsky to Polsky and so the the to Polsky is the person who's like kind of finicky and picky and the de Polsky wife is someone who has to kind of put up with that. And I think that in your parents relationship, I think that your dad is the de Polsky wife and your mom is the de Polsky. Let me tell you, actually, it's funny that you're talking about this because I was the other night, Lauren, I were talking about with our nanny Val, who's amazing, who took the best picture of Zelda ever, of her sitting at a park bench.

But, um, we were talking about slameel and slamazzle, which are Yiddish words. Yeah. And I was trying to find the exact definition of Yiddish. By the way, these aren't really related, but there's something similar in this. By the way, do you know the slameil shlamazel the most common definition? No, I don't know the most common definition. In Yiddish, there are many, many words for people who are buffoons, okay?

Yeah, like a shlamil, what a shlamil. Yeah, most of the words that in Yiddish that I know are just about how dumb and horrible people are. Shlamil, if I'm getting this right, a shlamil, a shlamil is a person who spills the soup. A shlamazel is a person upon whom the soup is filled. I love that. I love that. Which should be kind of like your topolski, your topolski. Not very different. So. But there's like this dynamic. But let me

just say this here, let me explain my parents. Sorry, go ahead. I will say that to an in magnus' marriage, and I know him and his wife very well. Very well. Magnus is the topolski wife. Yeah. And his wife Amy is the topolski. So wait, Amy is the Tupolsky? I get that. I get that. I think it's why Amy and I get a lot so well. She's wearing the pants a little bit. She's like she tells him what to do. Such as being the boss because I don't think I don't think don't go. I don't feel like I'm the boss. I don't feel like I'm the boss, but I feel like a lot of I feel like a lot of considerations are made for me. Yes, I think, yeah, it's a little bit of like an alpha nebeta. Maybe.

I think that that's how all relationships are that they're like, there's someone who a little bit has to, you know, I love joking with other friends about like who's the Topolsky wife. Lauren and I have like broken down all our friends. Oh, you do, you know who's the, you get in the whole set of couples. Yeah.

Okay, can can friends can I be a friend situation where people one of the friends is a typosky wife? Um like to power just but it really has to be a romantic couple. Yeah. I think so. Especially if you live together. It's like one person is like somebody needs to clean this bathroom and the other person is like, oh boy, I gotta go clean the bathroom. Let me tell you the best story about my parents that sums up their relationship. Well, they have a very loving, they're very loving, very loving, but. How long have they been married?

Very long, 40. I don't know, I should probably know, I should know this. I should know this. Long time. A long enough that they've had to do it in through it all. But I think the best way to sum up their relationship is they were over our house and we were watching on TV. I think you were there, maybe not.

We were watching, I think it was Frankie Valley. It was like a PBS special. It was like a Frankie Valley concert. Yeah. And I believe Frankie Valley has a hit it's called Lightning Stri strikes again or lightning strikes. Lightning striking again. Lightning crashing again.

Lightning striking again. What is the song called? Okay. I think it's his song. I can be wrong. Yeah. I can be making it. I can be making it up.

It could be somebody else's song that he did a cover of. He's performing. It's an uproarious rendition in front of a huge live audience. My father is tapping his foot or whatever. He's like, oh, oh, I love the song. I love the song. This is one of my favorite songs. And my mother says, I can't stand the song.

I think it's disgusting. Like if you've ever seen George who stands as parents for a size that's how I- That's how I- That's how I always describe your parents to people. But it's real, it's real. It's insane. I think they're actually listening.

I think they're the greatest people in the world, but I think they're actually insane. The way I describe them, they're... I'm gonna say one more thing. People are always, I'm sorry to cut you off, but people are always like, oh yeah, my parents are totally crazy. People always say they always say,

oh, my parents are so crazy. My parents are actually crazy. That's the difference. You've been around it. You've seen it. I'm not talking to my love though. I'm not talking to my love though. I think that they are just very unique in the way they are.

The way I describe them is that they are always at level nine. And at level nine. They're always a deaf guy. They're always like, their base level is nine. And like sometimes they crank it up to 11. So you say they only have between 9 and 11 as a race? Yeah, yeah. I think that's right.

I think that's right. I think that's true. Anyhow, but they're wonderful people. The point is that they spawn to other people and now you have to live with them. Yeah. You both have to, you everybody has to live with them. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry to humanity. Anyhow, on that note, I think we should wrap up.

There's a lot more to talk about. We barely talked about, we didn't really talk about your podcast. That's okay, I mean, I wanted to talk about it. I wanted to talk about it. We didn't talk about, it's podcast about internet culture. We didn't talk about your,

we didn't talk about how you got your start on the internet, which is making, I mean, my early, I'm gonna talk about this anyhow, whatever, I'm gonna just gonna use a couple minutes here because Katie was late anyhow. Sorry. My first in my introduction to is there another session coming in, do we need to get out of here?

Okay, good. Nobody comes on Friday. Nobody's around in a studio on Friday. The thing that I remember most, was the first thing that I think, I don't know how many of these you had done before. But before Buzzfeed was a big thing before there was all the stuff that's on the internet,

that is on the internet, you were doing like, you had a couple of sites, like Tumblr, and some other things. You had a site called, sorry I missed your party. And sorry I missed your party was like, describe what sorry I missed your party. So, yeah, so I had in the sort of mid to late odds, I did a lot of like single serve websites, sort of. Can you tell us about some of them? The one that I did for the longest and I enjoyed the most was called Tarja Mr. Party.

And it was actually like in its own little world, like kind of popular. It was very popular. No, no, you were like a celebrity. Right, internet celebrity. So the premise was I would go on flicker. You still aren't in that celebrity. I should say. I mean, no.

Yeah, you like the Kim Kardashian of Twitter. Yeah, exactly. I would go on Flickr and I would find, I would use search or whatever. I would find pictures of people because party. So like, you know, use that word loosely. Any sort of gathering party, I would find interesting found pictures on Flickr. and then I would post them and I

would do a little like write up sort of synopsis of them or like. Yeah, I mean, I mean, the sort of image from an image standpoint, it was sort of like many of the pictures you might have looked at and gone, I can't believe somebody put this on the internet. Yeah. Like some really weird embarrassing. Well, it's a very, it was a different time. More innocent time.

It was a different time. People hadn't been publicly shamed by Katie yet. Um, I, you know, I mean, this is, I don't want to get too deep into it, but I always think that there's a very interesting thing that happened that is very ignored in the world of technology and internet history, which is that there is this brief moment that only lasted probably about five years, where everyone owned a point in shoot digital camera and people took lots of pictures and uploaded them to image hosting websites.

And the look and feel of these pictures is very specific to that time. So I'm talking like 2002 to 2007. I think that a lot of flash. A lot of flash, a lot of red eye. Yeah. In the early days when people had, you know, 2002, 2003, 2003, up to 2005, memory was pretty small in those. And so you actually like, you wouldn't want to take 80 pictures of the same thing and pick the best one because you would run out of space. You would take one picture. People treated them like they used to treat film cameras where you like maybe would look

at the little screen on the back, but you wouldn't really know how the picture was going to turn out. You would take one picture of a person and you would move on to the next. Like let's say you're at a party. You were taking pictures like you would with a camera. Right. Like with a film camera. You would take one picture, maybe you'd look at it, you'd take another picture.

And then you would at the end of the night, you would go home and then the next day, you would upload 50 pictures to your flicker, folder album, and you'd be like, you know, Magnus' birthday. Facebook kind of killed that. People used to do Facebook albums, remember, people don't do that anymore.

Now people pick the one best picture and they upload one picture at a time and in a weird way, although we're taking more pictures than we ever have on cell phones, we are uploading and sharing less pictures, I think. Well, we're certainly not necessarily not going like here's a whole album of things. Right, exactly. You weren't like 200 pictures for my vacation. Right. You would go on vacation for a week and you would post maybe five pictures to Instagram. We're cherry picking our nostalgia. Yeah, I mean, we're cherry picking our memories. It's a different, you know, the, the usefulness of photography in a digital sense is completely different now than it was when digital cameras first came out. But isn't, but isn't the whole isn't, isn't Facebook's, doesn't Facebook force people or hasn't the popular notion of how you say Facebook is that you're presenting the best, most interesting, best looking version of yourself?

Yeah, like you're not presenting like, you're not saying warts and all. It's like the best shots, the best places, the best opinions, you know, like, oh, you're sharing links because you want to either gain credibility or you want people to like your funny thing that you shared or found or whatever. I mean, I think that one of the things that speaks to that very specifically is a slight generational divide between people like R-Age and people maybe five years. One like 28-year-old.

Get changed. And then like super young. I'm like 25. And people like five years younger than us where they grew up on digital cameras where you could take 80 pictures of yourself and then pick the best one and figure out how you looked best. Like smartphones.

We grew up on a film camera where you take one picture and then you get it back two weeks later and you're like, wow, I look like crap. Yeah, for my teenage years, I have loads of pictures right on the part. And I think that younger people know how to look good in pictures, purely by practice. Literally, they know how to what their best face angle side is. You and I, when someone takes picture of us, we're like, like, well, make a goofy grant, you know? I mean, I try to look cool, but my face gets in the way.

I love to make bad faces in photos. Well, I hit the wall where I realized that I'd rather make a purposely bad face than try to look good and just kind of look mediocre, crummy. Like I said, the source material is a fantastic idea. Unbelievable, like a, beautiful model in the world. A history. But I love that period of time and photography.

Anyhow, what was, sorry, a mystery party? So I would go on Flicker, I would find these pictures of people's parties, I would post them on Sorry Mr. Party. The premise being, Was it a Tumblr, it was like a blog? It was a blog spot. Yeah, it was like a blogger.

It was made in the four Tumblr. I think I made it in 2008. Was it a pre-tumblr Tumblr? It was a pretuble or tumbler. It's a pretuble or tumbler And then I would like I would either like write up a funny story that was kind of you know, I don't know I would imagine what might have been going on or who the characters were what I liked about it was that it Of an interesting picture is just like a good writing prompt, you know And so that was like a fun way to I don't know. It's like yeah, like sometimes it was like I would try to find the funniest picture I could and then sometimes I would find like a kind of boring picture, but like it would spark

a memory or an idea that would be good to write a little like blog post about. In some ways, I'm not saying that these ideas are related or that you had a you know that you were riffing on this but like If you remember vices do's and don'ts. Oh, yeah, so they're do's and don'ts in the very early years of vice release But I was first introduced to vice when it was still a magazine The do's and don'ts were very much like a random picture of somebody and then like a whole storyline about who that person was What they were doing what they were thinking what their world was. And I feel like you did that sometimes, not like the same thing. Oh, I mean, you had a narrative

for what was going on in the picture. Undoubtedly, the, sorry, Mr. Party was 100% influenced by the vice-decent ones. Was it? Oh, yeah. I feel like, because I feel like that's sort of like those two things. I mean, it's various similar concepts of like,

write a funny thing about a picture. Here's a picture of people doing keg stands. Let's write a funny riff on what keg stands are like, or something. You know, it's funny. I, a friend of mine who I believe you know, Jeb Bonakowski. He, and I have talked a lot,

hi, Jeb, what's up. He's definitely listening. He's definitely listening. He's glued to every tomorrow podcast. He and I have talked a lot. This high jab puts up. He's definitely listening. He's glued to every tomorrow podcast. Well, he and I have talked a lot about how it's sort of this weird sad thing that early 2000s vice was extremely influential on I think, I mean, on me and like, hand was sort of a similar age in New York. And like what we thought was funny and like, hand was sort of a similar age in New York. And like what we thought was funny and like how to write funny or how to make jokes about

stuff. And that part of ice doesn't really exist. Or I think most of that stuff was done by Gavin McGinnis who is sort of now like. Gavin, yeah, who I- I know not the person that you wanted him to be you know Gavin I know a little bit um he is like a he's like kind of a hardcore conservative like Libertarian uh I think he's to be honest and maybe he would maybe I'll have him on here honestly if he wanted to do it and and talk about this I think I don't buy it I think I he's pretending. I think he's pretending.

I think he's pretending. But then again, I think like that dude, Nero, Milo, Yanopoulos, whatever. I love him. I think he's also pretending. I think he's a complete phony. Like I don't think he believes anything he's talking about. I love trolls.

I think there's like a new kind of troll that's like a really, I think fairly obvious. They're a fairly obvious counter notion sort of troll. I mean, I, I mean, that's like a fun card to play. I don't know. You live in it. I like to do that. I live in it every day.

Anyhow, we have to wrap up unfortunately. I hate to do it. Yeah. I really, this last part of the conversation is really interesting. I'd like to talk more about it. Yeah. It's only we hadn't talked for so long about the Polsky wives. You know, yeah. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and You know, yeah. And, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, actually talking about some interesting stuff about conceptives of the internet. No, no,

deep shit, really important shit, like that the, the listeners of tomorrow came for. Yeah. And instead, but luckily, 20 minutes talking about both of our parents, but luckily, you're going to be back. That's right. With the fast and furious. Maybe with the fast and furious. Yeah. Anyhow, so you're, we're going to do a vote after this podcast goes up. It's going to be a vote. Who's going to do it? You or me? I guess I should'm on. Yeah, anyhow, so we're gonna do a vote after this podcast goes up. It's gonna be a vote. Who's gonna do it you or me? I guess I should do it.

Yeah. And if the problem is like, people are gonna, people wanna see you suffer, right? No, we need to suffer. You know what I'm gonna say? No, don't be like that. You wanna see me party.

Because that's what's gonna happen. No, I think it sounds like something. So me and Vin, and by the way, the eighth one's coming soon. 2016, 2016. 2016. Yeah. In heaven.

Look, we'll see him again. We're gonna see him again. I cried my fucking eyes out at the end of a fast, clear, and so I don't know what happened. Stop spoiling it because I don't know what happens. I prefer stuff for real. I don't know if Paul Walker's character lives or dies. Don't tell me, I don't want to know, but I think it's possible that he doesn't die

Okay, what I do know is that Wiz Khalifa put together a song That will make you think of the best times you have with the people you can we have that song? Play a song out at the end of this great. Okay, man Okay, that's that's the episode Katie. Thank you for doing this with me Josh. Thank you so much, okay, Katie, thank you for doing this with me. Josh, thank you so much for having me. Okay, and of course, you'll be back very soon. I hope so. The fans are just dying for me.

You know, I had a great time, thank you so much. I thank you. Well, that's our show for the week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow, of course. And as always, I wish you and your family the very best, though I'm told they're driving very fast and very furiously down a road, and they're losing control of the vehicle. First you both go out your way in the vibe It's feeling stronger, what's small Turn to a friendship, a friendship Turn to a bond and that bond will never be broken The love will never get lost

And what brotherhood comes first and the land will never be crossed The stab is still on our own When that land had to be drawn in that land It's what we be so remember me when I'm born Remember me when I'm born Not when we not talk about family, we're family, so I don't be God Everything I went through, you were standing there on my side And now you're gonna be with me for the last

I'm glad the light gone, to a way Yeah, hold that, remember, we had to go And every road you take Will always lead you home Oh wow It's been a long day Without you, my friend And I'll tell you all about it when I see you again We've come a long way

From where we began oh I'll tell you when I see you again.