Tomorrow - Episode 49: It Must Be Caity Weaver

Episode Date: April 18, 2016

This week Josh sits down with Paula Deen's best friend: GQ writer / editor Caity Weaver. She's met some of the biggest stars in the world — her most recent conquest is Justin Bieber – so why hasn't she ever seen the classic Hugh Grant film Notting Hill? Is she being paid off by Big Mozzarella? And just how high can you get off the fumes of a good scoop? The two get to the bottom of these pressing issues... just in time for Josh learn about all 100 versions The Real Housewives. This is one of the most unconventional and thrilling episodes of Tomorrow yet, and if you miss it you'll spend the rest of your life haunted by what might have been. Without any further ado: are you Justin? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to Tomorrow, I'm your host, Josh with Polsky. Today on the podcast we discuss Justin Bieber's Monkey, mozzarella sticks and free shoes. I don't want to waste one minute. Let's get right into it. My guest today is a writer slash editor, the GQ, and a former editor, Gauker. I'm of course talking about Katie Weaver. Katie, thank you for being here. Thank you for having me.

I meant to say also recently you interviewed Justin Bieber. I should have said that. You have to tell people now as you go through life when you meet them. Yeah. You interviewed Justin Bieber. Yeah, you might remember me from I met Justin Bieber. It's like the cover story of this month's GK.

You were last month's GK. I think it was March maybe. So yeah, it would be last month. Yeah, it's like, it's weird like it's having a correction. I wrote it several months ago. Yeah, please don't correct me. Anyhow, but you're an active, you're like kind of a pop culture writer.

I tell people that I do fun, stupid, silly, celebrity things. Right, like go on a cruise with Paula Dean or go to, who's your best friend? Paula Dean. So not with another person. Paula Dean is your best friend. You went to TGF Fridays and got their endless appetizer.

I did it. Endless apps? Endless apps, mozzarella sticks. Did they have, did you have to get, okay, let me, I don't really know anything about this. We're going to talk about other more important meaningful things like Justin Bieber in a second, but I don't understand this. Is this still going on? You can go to 2J to Friday's and get... It's one of those promotions that kind of comes and goes, so I don't know if it's active right now. It's something they do. It'll swing back around. Okay, so I go to T. G.I. Friday's. You can tell I didn't read the article.

I go to T. Jeff Fridays. And I'm like, I would like the endless apps. And I get a choice of specific apps or I can get as many apps as I want all night long. When I did it, you had to stick with one. I think they've since they've since branched it out. That's stupid. Like, okay, so what did you get? I got mozzarella sticks.

Because I thought it would be it's kind of the funniest one yeah funny Z's in the middle it's a great app I'm a big fan of my I actually thought I would really like them because red lobster is great mozzarella sticks and is there a is there a business connection between red lobster and TGF right is no just what's a food that I like at another chain mozzarella sticks um can swear? You can say anything you want. Taste it like goddamn garbage. They were horrible. And I ate them for hours. I never said, how can you fuck up a mozzarella stick?

They did it. To be perfectly honest, it's like you fry, you bread and fry a piece of mozzarella. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't think there was mozzarella involved. I don't understand what was bad about it. The taste, the way they tasted in my mouth. Taste was going to drop this down. The texture was not great one of them had a piece of plastic on it like they were clearly just ripping off the plastic from like the frozen

sticks and then kind of warming them and maybe a microwave oven of some sort. Did you get Fridays getting contact with you after the article where they like hey we understand you had a bad experience in our animals. They didn't it wasn't because I said in the post where they like, hey, we understand you had a bad experience in our endless appetizer. They didn't. It wasn't because I said in the post that they tasted very bad. So they couldn't kind of turn it into like, like, this fun piece about us. It was all about how bad it was.

But I will say the servers were great. Yeah. And I would like to say for the record. Yeah, absolutely. So I was there for a change in shifts because I was there for like 14 hours or something. You stayed there for 14 hours? In the same booth, yeah.

I got there right when it opened and then I left when it closed. What time do they open? Maybe like 11-ish is when they start serving. So this is something like, I just wanna say, just gonna break off for a second. There will be some tangents here. But you never think about what time does TGF Friday's open.

I think about all the time. It seems like they're open all the time. Like they don't ever close, but they must have down there. They close damn late. Oh really? Like many hours after sundown. Oh, well yeah, like 11 or something. Oh.

They open at 11, you go in. I think it's around 11 and I'm pretty sure I was there for 14 hours, which would put it at what, like, one o'clock maybe when they close. Oh, okay. Like you're drinking too, right? It felt late. No, I don't think I was there for 14 hours, which would put it at what, like, one o'clock maybe, when they closed. Like, you're drinking too, right? It felt late. No, I don't think I had a drink.

I think I just got diet coaxed with refills. So I paid for one day coke and one plate of mozzarella. Did you tell them what you were doing? I did. Because I wanted to understand it. I wanted to make it clear. I am your least important table. Make me the lowest priority.

You know, I'm just going to be here. You don't have to hurry with my food. I'll be waiting. Now you can read this article on Docker, but yeah, but since I didn't, I'm gonna keep asking questions. I'm going to, I plan on it. I'm gonna put it in my pocket. I'm gonna check it out. But did you get other food? No. You weren't like, you know, I'm gonna have a hamburger. I ate so many mozzarella sticks that there was no room for other food. How many mozzarella sticks did you eat? That's the thing. I didn't eat as many as I know in my heart I would be able to if they had been good. Right. I only ate, I mean, you know, more than the average person.

But I've been to like the shittiest diner, and the shittiest diner has amazing mozzarella sticks. Yeah, they're very, they're Cisco. They're like a Cisco, you know, the company Cisco, not the artist, the Grammy award winning, award winning. Like Cisco's diner. Yeah, no, like his diner, the future. Yeah, he doesn't have a diner. Great mozzarella steak. But Cisco, there's a company that makes like all of the food that diners use is called Cisco. Okay.

You're familiar with this company. No, but I believe you've never heard of it. I know, doesn't Cisco make like a computer? No, that's a different company. It's different company. So you're talking about the rapper? No. Is he really considered a rapper? No. Is he

really considered a rapper? Yes, absolutely. But he also sings. I really think of him as a kind of a... We have to use the past tense for Cisco. He sang. He raped. Why would I happen to? He's not doing anything anymore. He's because he's living off of his thong song royalties and as well he should. Anyhow, the point is you would think that they would just get the same Cisco much more realistic that everybody else gets. Well, I think all diner food kind of tastes the same, but you can't have your TGF Fridays food taste exactly like diner food because you're going to be able to charge

a little bit more for it. Has to have some distinct taste. You'd be able to say worse, taste worse than Nyer. I also have a theory that all chain restaurants in the New York City area are much worse than they are elsewhere in the country because I love going to a Friday's in Pennsylvania where I'm from. That's a nice night. Yeah, you're from Harrisburg. We're going to talk about that in a second in a moment. But okay, so anyhow, so you didn't eat, you don't, do you not have the number of how many? I can't remember offhand. All right. Well, if one of us had recently read the

article then. If somebody had just had the time, I'm a very busy man. Okay. I can read every article that you read. It was very long, too. It was multiple plates. I ate them all day, but they were so hard to eat. Like the first plate was hard to eat because they were gross. Because they were that bad.

Did they get better? No. They got worse. They could say to anything to anybody. I'm not going to say, I don't like this food that you're bringing me that I keep asking for. 1199 plus a die coke is that what it was? Something like that and then I tipped I tipped really really well. I tipped like I was a select one.

On a Ryan's chime you know you had seven plates of mozzarella steak. That doesn't sound like a lot but there are many on a plate. Yeah how many are on a plate like six? Five? Six? So 42. You ate 42. Yeah. I could have eaten if they had been delicious, double that. I go to, I think a lot about how many items they put on a plate of appetizers because I go to a restaurant, I'm not going to name it, but they do a devil, they have like a devil egg appetizer.

And it comes out three halves. Wow. It's seriously fucked up. That's nuts. No, it's really fucked up. And it's like, where's the other part of the egg? Like what do you do? So someone's always getting like an old half of an egg.

Or like, or they're just like eating it or they throw it away. That's what I would do. Maybe it's supposed to be for. That's like let me just check this out. I don't know, I've never gotten for it. I've only got three, but you think if you bring that devil's egg. That's very bizarre. Because it's like very simple.

You have them. Yeah. You put the at any rate. Okay, let's get back into it. So a lot on time about Justin Bieber. Okay. So you interviewed, you have them. You put the, at any rate. Okay, let's get back into it. So allow on time about Justin Bieber. Okay. So you interviewed, you spent how much time with Justin Bieber? I spent a few hours over the course of two days.

Do you like get some quality time with him? We were completely alone. Like more time looking into Justin Bieber's eyes, talking to him than I have spent with my boyfriend total. So how many handlers are there when you first meet Justin? One. There's one handler. There was one.

And that handler didn't stick around. He did not. He was dismissed. Yeah, he just, I met him when I sat down. And it was one of those things I didn't know. It was going to be really late. No, he was pretty much right on time. And then this guy brought him over and was like, you know, okay, here you guys are and then walked away.

And you were where at that point? We were at the hotel in Beverly Hills where Justin, I think technically still lives, yeah, at the time. And then you know, what's hotels? You mentioned the article. I don't think I say the name. You don't? Oh, you don't say the name. I say it's a hotel. I feel like you don't say specifically what it is. I don't think I do. The only couple of hotels that were people living in Ella. The Holiday Inn. I definitely saw Justin Bieber at the Chateau Marmont last time I was there.

I'm not saying that's the hotel, but that's the kind of place that a celebrity lives when they're living somewhere in LA. I always picture Lindsay Lohan living there. I don't know if she's. I don't think she can afford it. She kind of can't say, maybe. Did she? Well, it's unclear, but if she does,

he is a Russian millionaire son. I want Lindsey Lohan to be okay. Like I want her to be, like I actually feel bad. I feel like we did something to her. I feel responsible, you know? She seemed very normal. The parent trap, one of my favorite movies. I haven't seen it, but she seemed very normal.

Like me and girls with very funny movie. A lot of people liked it. She had great support from people like Amy Polar and Tina Fey. It seemed like, you know, she was gonna be all right. I just think that we owe her something. Am I crazy? Does it feel like we've broken Lizzy love and so much? I will say, Lindsay has broken the law many times. And that she's a kid. But everybody makes mistakes. I haven't broken the law that many times. She's been unfairly judged. Okay. Okay. All she wanted to do was get super plastered and drive her car. Is that too much to ask? I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't wish I love Lindsay. I'd love to meet her. How about her dad? He's a piece of work. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. Kind of,

she's a piece of shit, right? She's a restact against her yet. She's a complete of work. Yeah, I mean that's the thing. Kind of, chips were stacked against her yet. You just complete, is he from Long Island? Are they from Long Island? Yeah, they're from Long Island. Ryan, you're from Long Island. I am from Long Island. I was talking about this earlier. And his most recent scandal was beating up his girlfriend

because she wouldn't give him oral sex. So I don't know if we did that to Lindsay. Wow. Well, that's not related to Lindsay. I think if that's who you grew up with. No, that's he's a bad guy. I thought he was kind of like out of the picture for her most of her life. I think if that's who you grew up with. No, that's he's a bad guy. I thought he was kind of like out of the picture for her most of her life.

I think kind of in and out. But her mother's also completely fucked up. Yeah. I just feel like we have some, I just, I do feel like you look at Michael Jackson as an example, right? What's your, how do you feel about Michael Jackson? Great music. Are you do you think that he was a child molester? I was getting very serious, very serious.

But you're like a pop culture critic. This is the kind of thing you should be thinking about. I don't know. I think he was definitely a weirdo and I think he did things that, you know, being a weirdo is not a crime. A beating weirdo is not a crime. I think he definitely did things that the average person would not have done and should not do, I don't know that he molested children. Okay, here, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna come out and with a definitive, my definitive opinion. Nothing like a badder. Like here it is, we get all the newspapers.

All the newspapers will be running headlines about this tomorrow. I just think, I don't, I think he was super fucking weird. I think he had a completely messed up life. I feel like, and I feel like you're saying this, he'd like to sleep in bed with kids, which is extremely fucked up. But I don't think he did it,

I don't think he was doing it like in a sexual way. Yeah, I agree. I think he was just a broken person, who was like trying to be a kid. Yeah. And like you, as a kid, like you have sleep, like some parties or sleepovers and like kids like sleeping bed together is no big Yeah. And like you as a kid, like you have sleep, like some party's are sleepovers and like kids like sleepin' bed together is no big deal.

I mean, I would know anything about that. Because nobody would ever sleep over my house because I was very unpopular. But I can imagine that people would sleep in bed together. I would say definitely someone should have stepped in and said maybe don't do that. No, yeah, that's the bit, he's fucking hammer. Just what I'm talking about, like he definitely OD'd on whatever drugs he was doing

because all the people around him were like, yeah, Michael, go ahead and like shoot up whatever the shit is that this doctor's giving you that nobody really cares about it. I'd, so I feel like we have a responsibility. Do you remember where you were when you found out he died? Um, I don't, I mean, I was blocking. I think I don't remember.

I was in a computer, for sure. No, where were you? I was in Philly at a laundromat, and my Nana called me, and I was like, Nana, that's not true. He's so young, you're thinking of someone else. Did you live in Philly? I did, I went to a school in Philly. Where?

Penn, and then I stayed for about a year. Did you like Philly? I loved Philly. Oh really, I lived in Philly for two years, and I don't only ever have said this in the podcast, but I believe that I'm an atheist. Okay. I'm prefacing all of this stuff,

but say something very controversial. Philly is where God would live in the dark. Definitely. And I love a lot of people from Philly. Okay. But I spent two years there, and I think it's possible that there are places in the planet that are like, like a kind of locus of evil.

And I think Philly might be one of them. It's not gonna be fun. I think Philly might be one. Did Jersey might be one of those two. Harrisburg could be one of them. No, I'm kidding, Harrisburg. I've like insulted. I can do it.

I can do it. I can do it. I'm gonna do it in a lot of places. Don't go to Harrisburg, but Philly, I love, I wish room Philly right now. I wish room Philly. You could live in Philly. I know. Why can't you live there? I have to go into the office at Chequeu Do you they make you go in like every day? I go in every day really? I mean I'm never I'm editing slash editing. I'm editing

I have to be there to like use the software on the computers and stuff if I'm writing a long thing like the beeper thing One is on in copy Is that software you use in copy for what? To look at story layouts. Oh my god. I mean, out from the magazine. I barely know how to use it. Yeah.

Low, I don't know what to say about that. Like, did you people look at in copy for magazine layout? I'm sorry, it seems really quaint to me. I have no idea how to use it. I have to ask someone for help. You shouldn't know how to use it because it's a layout. Well, thank you. Yeah.

But I mean, I do feel really impressive that I'm learning it and I was kind of throw it around out K4. Are you ever like, you know, no big deal. Are you ever like, you should move this picture? Yes, I do that several times. Really? Yeah. I'll see you like really in the next. More on the, I'm so unqualified to do this, but yeah. Okay. Like, we have to have another, you know, tiny picture of Kanye West head. We got to fit one in something like that. Is that hard to do? A lot of pictures of Kanye's head in the magazine you have to buy it to find out She do the new issue all issues is Kanye featured in it I think we have a tiny picture of him was just one tiny picture

It's tied to something it'll make sense when you buy the magazine. What do you think about this Kanye West? What's your feeling on him? I do it a little bit. Don't you mind this? It's therapeutic for me to just watch you do it. This is like Justin did a coloring. He was coloring in the adult coloring. Oh my God. Oh yeah, we never to finish that.

We can talk about that. Let's talk about it. It was kind of like a weirdly sexy. It was like a porn anime. It was like a porn anime. And he was like, I colored this. What do they call, what's porn anime called? a porn anime and he was like I colored this what do they call what's porn anime called I think it's called like anime no there's like Hentai I think it's like Hentai yeah but I think it was actually a

Disney princess one of the more obscure ones rendered in a kind of porn way really I'm from the movie Atlantis didn't do well watching the bond yeah Atlantis I'm pretty sure I don't You can see it. Oh Can you look at it? I mean Atlantis is a Disney movie. No it's not with Milo is the star. I think I'm right Yeah, no she's right. Who? Thank you. Who's Milo? Milo is the main character of the movie who goes down to Atlantis Let me give you Wait, no, I'm talking about like a warrior princess in Atlantis. Oh, yeah, he meets her. He meets a warrior princess, the princess. Yeah, I think that's who Justin Bieber drew also.

Oh, really? Her name is... Well, doll coloring is very popular right now. Princess Kita. I think it was Kita, which made it even more confusing because it was like a secondary character from a bombed Disney cartoon from like years ago. Yeah, I'm confused right now.

With nipples. Yeah. Were there nipples? Not visible, but you could see them through her kind of ripped. It's the idea of nipples. Yeah, we all know this. Exclusively into Disney women, Selena Gomez and fails. Oh, interesting. Actually, see, I feel like Justin is like in danger of ending up like Michael. You know what I mean? Child star, living in a kind of unreal world. Well, I heard that when you, you had a monkey right, oh my God.

I did. What ever happened to that little guy? Oh, I asked him all about it in the church. I know. It's a great, by the way, you have to read this profile, this interview slash profile from this writer slash editor, a cheek of Justin Bieber. I mean, this gets like the most famous person in the world. This fucking interview is so funny. And smart. It's smart. It's like, it

actually seemed like a real human person, but also because he is a human person. Yeah, absolutely. But it's also just like, wow, this person's got a totally different wavelength than what we're used to dealing with. Yeah, I mean, you of course are always around people at to be a variety of magic. Oh my God, I can't believe I got to spend time alone with Justin Bieber and talk to him. It's super weird, right? Banana.

Are your friends like, I mean, are people jealous? Are they angry? What is the reaction? My, so my college friends, none of them are in media, so I have kind of two distinct groups of friends. Right, because you went to school, and we're gonna talk about this. You said you went to school for linguistics.

Yes. And so they were all excited because they liked the music of Justin Bieber and he's popular now. Oh my God, you're gonna be Justin. And then my media friends were all like, oh my God. Are you like, when they're like, we love Justin Bieber, you guys are fucking nerds.

Like why don't you like Justin Bieber? No, I was like, tell me why I like him. Do you like Justin Bieber? I think his new record's kind of amazing. It is, it absolutely. It's really good. Yeah. But has nothing to do with Justin Bieber. No, I was like, tell me why I like him. Do you like Justin Bieber? I think his new records kind of amazing. It is. It is. It is really good. Yeah, but has nothing to do with Justin Bieber. Yeah. It's not like Justin was like, I've got a new idea for a sound. He was like, help. I really need to be relevant. Somebody fix this. And Diplo was like, I've got this. I And then he put four engineers on it. Pop music. I like that whole process. I like knowing that there are people who are so good at their jobs, anything they make will be a hit. I find it really strong.

Like Dr. Luke. Hypercomptant. Good old Dr. Luke. The hip master. His J-Lo sound didn't do so well. He did his J-Lo sound. Yeah, and everyone was furious at it. He's saying, I mean, Dr. Luke's made a lot of bad songs,

okay? He's written a lot of bad music, produced a lot of bad shit. People don't talk about Dr. Luke's misses, or Max Martin's misses. They have plenty of them. I don't know why I'm like threateningly pointing at you. Let me tell you something. Anyhow, okay. So you were hanging

out with Justin Bieber at a hotel. His handler leaves. What's the first thing that Justin says to you? What do you do you start the conversation? I said, are you Justin? And he said, I must be. Oh right. That's in the article. That's the first thing I said to him. That's so fucking, like how did he come up with that? He must have said shit all the time. Very smooth. He says it shit all the time. Probably a lot of people. I must be, are you Justin Bieber and he's like, I must be,

and they're like, can I get a picture and he's like, no. And then a handler pushes them into the gutter. That's how you- I have to say, he was and granite I was around. He was really, anyone who wanted to picture got a picture. It didn't happen that many times because we were kind of isolated, but it happened enough times that I got to see it kind of over and over. Anyone who wanted to picture got a picture.

The second day I hung out with him, we were in New York and I met him at a different hotel. And he came down to the lobby and he was like, you know, one second and he went over and hugged these two girls whose mom, he had like met in the spa or the, he said like, you know, one second and he went over and hugged these two girls whose mom He had like met in the spa or the he said spa. I think maybe it was the gym and because I don't think this hotel is a co-ed spa But he like just whenever is the one is you know happy birthday here here having a girl's weekend with your mom really? Yeah, like he was nice to them, but this is not the Justin that we hear about In the he did not like me He didn't like you. No, he didn't like me, but I could see him. He didn't like you. He didn't like

you. I may be particularly, or didn't like you. Not that, you know, and I, if I were in his shoes, I probably wouldn't have one to spend several hours hanging out with me, either being grilled about like my past. I don't know. I feel like any, I feel like if a person like doesn't be we're probably likes when people are paying attention to him. You don't think so? Well, it was doing it in a different way than fans where I wasn't asking him for his photo. He actually gave me every time we parted, which would happen a couple times over the

two days, a hug. And I wasn't going in for the hug. I think he just assumed like, everyone wants a hug and a con, give me a hug. how was the hug? Nice hug. How's he smell? I think he smells pretty good his dog smells really good. What's his dog's name? Esther It's a girl dog and what kind of dog is it? I imagine it's a little kind of fluffy dog like a Westie maybe. I can't remember. It was a small dog. The terrier of some type. Yeah. And what did she smell like?

Better than any hair care product I used. Better than beaver. More noticeable than deeper. But I also didn't feel weird about picking her up and hugging her and smelling her. And I wouldn't have wanted to do that. She's a dog. She's a dog. I would feel uncomfortable doing that to that man.

He's a grown man. How old is he? I think he's 22 now. I would felt uncomfortable doing that to that man. He's a grown man. How old is he? I think he's 22 now. How does this happen? Let me actually, I don't, I'm going to go back a little bit. So you before GQ, you were at Gauker. Okay. And how long were you at Gauker? I was at Gauker. It's my first job out of college. So I was there. It's a weird start. I started from February 2012 through July of 2015. Okay, and three and a half years. Okay, so you're a gochifer several years, and then you leave.

You took a buyout when things were going... When it imploded. Weird. Getting weird to go here. When you say when it imploded what does that mean? so many people Max read the eoc Tommy crags this was around the Condonacie F.O. thing. Yeah, yeah, what was your what's your take on that are you a pro? Yes, we should have run the circle or a no. We shouldn't have run it

I don't think we should have and I wasn't involved with it at all. I agree with you but also like I understand why it happened. I understand how it happened. But you think the how and the why are different? I do. I do. I understand the process where to him. But I was surprised that so many people whose judgment

I trust just kind of missed it. But I think people get caught up in the idea of We have a story and we just you know kind of the mania feeds itself No, it's it is like it's it's it's when you have a story and you think you've got like a scoop or something That's like really gonna set the world on fire You do get like kind of high. Yeah, I mean there's no doubt about it like you and you're working on something you feel Definitely like you have to get it out there. And it's like, oh, it is a rush.

And I hope that if I had seen it, would have been the one to say, I don't know, but I don't know, because I wasn't, I didn't see it all I was. You just saw when it was published. Yeah. I actually don't even know if I ever read it the whole way through, because that,

nobody read it all the way through. It's so, it was long. It was long and like convoluted. And as soon as it happened, you know, people started quitting. Is everyone gonna get laid off? What's gonna happen? Da-da-da-da-da. Right.

And I had, I wasn't super content at Gokka at that time. Right. And then you've been there for three and a half years. Yeah. How much do you think Nick, how much do you think Nick did in his response book for that article existing? Very little, well.

No, I mean like that particular article, obviously he wasn't like, hey, let's, but I mean his, there is a, my impression, and I, you mentioned before, we started that you'd listen to the Sam episode, Sam Betel, there is definitely like, something about the culture of Gauker that pushes the people there to do things

that are on the edge or over the edge of what would be considered like not even journalism but like worth doing right? I mean I'm the you don't have to agree with as a very loaded like the way I'm saved but like there is like a culture right say yes to this. No, but there's like a culture of going like, you know, like one toque over the line, right? You don't think that comes from Nick? I don't know. And it's so different now from... It's so different now from...

I gotta say a lot of tension in the room right now for the listener. I want you to know that there's a definite tightening of the vibe in this room. No. Nick, are you, are you, has Nick given you money to keep quiet about his? I would love that.

I'm so, I don't think Nick's giving, I gotta do this shit. I don't think Nick's gonna give you any money. I never got my goodbye party that I was promising. Really? Have you ever promised a goodbye party? Every once in a while I kind of shoot him an email like someone at that party.

That's funny. My only, my only meaningful next story is that I, I would Twitter bet him about like some tech, like thing that we would do at Engage before Gizmodo and he lost the bet and he never paid me the money. Let's see that. It's $1,000.

And I went back and looked and my tweets are still there. We're talking to him and I think he deleted his tweets. That's good. I was like, because after I was talking to, who did I have on? Maybe Joel Johnson? You work with Joel, right? Briefly.

Okay. Well anyhow, I was like, and then I was like, wait, did that really happen? Or am I just like misremembering? And I went back and like, there's definitely tweets of me going like, I'll take that bet. And it's like, nobody responding to it. But he did accept the bet.

Or was it like, he kind of put it out there. He said, I'll bet, he was like, I'll bet a thousand dollars, Gizmodo has these pictures of the new iPhone up before and gadget because I was running a gadget. I don't even know what, are you in it? Do you know, I was like, it's a tech blog. I don't know who knows about it at this point. Anyhow, I was like, I'll take that bet.

He didn't agree to it, but I assume that he put it out there and I said, I'd take it. Take him to court. See what happens. I think I could probably get about 150 million if I play my cards, right? All right, I want to take a break. I'm going to take a quick break and we're going to come back and we're going to try to stitch together because we were in the middle talking about just a few. What ever went to a break we were right back. Let me introduce you to our sponsor, FrontPoint. FrontPoint is a modern home security system backed by the highest rated service in the business. FrontPoint uses 100% cellular equipment, making it one of the hardest security systems to defeat in the industry. FrontPoint

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so I read or heard somewhere the theory that if you become famous as a kid, whatever age, you became famous, that's the age you stay forever. Right. So Michael was younger than me. There's some fans behind that though, is there? Well, I mean, Michael was younger than Justin and he always kind of was into like the little boy world

of like toys and everything being kind of weird. And he's like, I'm gonna get a giraffe and a monkey and have sleepovers and... Yeah, and I don't think, you know, Justin was older. So he would not be into the same kinds of things. I don't think he would necessarily... No, but Justin got famous like when he was a little kid. Not a little, little kid.

He was a... He was 12. 12. And this is Madonna's theory because she said she was 24 when she got famous so she was 20, she was like, I will show you guys. So she's now stuck, she stuck in this mode of the family trying to be 24.

A scientist named Madonna told me this theory, I read it in the paper. I'm Dr. Madonna. Listen, I got a- Dr. Madonna Chikoni. I think I know So you made like Google that you just know I just know that because she that's why she says Brittany Spears act 16 I don't think so Brittany's pretty mature right now. Well now because she's on medication Yeah, she's got a lot of hands. I think I love it. You don't see any articles about Brittany

Brittany's living I think right now a about Britney. Britney's living, I think right now, a great life. She's living her best life. What does she have to do anything? Well, she has her Vegas shows. But I think that's Britney doing what she likes to do. It's much easier than touring. Perform for money. She's not having to tour around.

It's like a very easy study well-paying gig. All right, so anyhow. So you're interviewing Justin Bieber. You don't think he's going to become a pedophile? I don't think Justin Bieber is going to become a... He's going to become a worse ladies man, right? He is a ladies man. You see him?

I think. Did you see him with any girls when you were with him? Haley. Haley Baldwin. Oh, that's his girlfriend. Well, that's what I asked Justin and he was like, they don't want a label. He was like, what's a girlfriend? I saw him with a young lady.

How would Baldwin's daughter? No, Alex Baldwin's niece, Stephen Baldwin's daughter. Oh my God. Oh, Stephen Baldwin, the really Christian one? Oh, shit. So is she really Christian? Justin goes to this church called Hillsong. That's kind of like a,

is that the one that Reese Witherspoon goes to? I don't think Reese Witherspoon would go to this. It's really good. She was just Instagramming her pastor, and I was like, what did he look like? He looked like a hipster. You know, he had like a five o'clock shadow or something. I have a full on beard.

Okay, so no, it's this kind of like a... What's a little hill song? It's like kind of a hit sort of beachy Christianity. It's a lot about love. It's not so much about specific like fire and brimster. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think Justin and Haley and other celebrities are into that. Is Christianity cool again? Is that what's happening? I feel like... Is Christianity ever going to snow? Oh wow, okay. Are you really just person? No. Not at all. I love Christmas. But you know, actually, I love Christmas too and I for a very long time

Thought you know as I grew up as a I was raised Jewish I Said I see says with shame I was raised Jewish and And so Christmas sucked like being Jewish when you're younger It's like everybody's having the best fucking time like Like the entire world is having a party and you're not invited. It is that is the way it feels. You know, and I was like, fuck this. It fucked these people for their fucking holiday. But then when I met Laura on my wife, she was like, yeah, Christmas, it doesn't have to

be like a religious thing. You can just like have a fucking party. You can just party. You can be part of it. And we got a tree and we decorated it and I was like, oh my God, Christmas is so fun. It's fabulous. And now I'm like into it. Not like, I don't give a shit about Jesus.

I put out a little manger because that is part of Christmas to me. That's over the top. But we just do a really elaborate tree. But I do a big tree. I like to have a party, I make cookies. I have Christmas pieces of playing from Thanksgiving to, you know, no, it's great. Christmas music is honestly my favorite kind of music.

The vibe of Christmas is so much fun. Really, it's your favorite music. It really is. Because it's kind of mad name. I love it. What do you make of the Christmas song? What's the really rapy Christmas song? Baby's called outside.

Baby's called outside and it's girls like I got to go and guys like have another drink or something. You know what it's Christmas. Okay. You heard it here first. It's okay to rape on Christmas. Great stuff. All right. So anyhow, Justin's he's a great guy's very he's very religious. He's not dating, but he is dating Steven Baldwin's daughter. She's around. That'll be like the most successful thing is Stephen Baldwin ever does.

It's big, it's a very ancient. He always beautiful, nice. Why do you think he didn't like you, it's just because you were asking him questions? Yeah, I don't think a reporter would have been put in that situation that he would have been like, you're my bro, who are friends? You don't think so? I don't think so. I mean, maybe if Justin Timberlake

had been assigned to do it, something like that. If Justin Timberlake had been assigned to interview, Justin Bieber. I mean, I'm like a former blogger from Pennsylvania. Justin Bieber doesn't need to hang out with me. All right, let's talk about Harrisburg for a second. That's where you're from. That's the state capital of Pennsylvania.

A lot of you would know that. Damn right, it is. Tell me about growing up in Harrisburg. Well, Harrisburg itself is very urban. It is. Yeah, it's surrounded by kind of Hick farmland. So we would always get off the first day of hunting season, but all the teachers would go, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we wouldn't have school that day. But, you know, everyone in school was just like hang out in Harrisburg state my high school was Very predominantly black. I don't remember the exact figures, but it's something like

I'm gonna kind of make it up like 80% black See I for sure think I think of Harrisburg is like a kind of Sother well, you know because people call the mental pencil of any pencil talking. Yeah, yeah I mean and it is but not in Harrisburg Harrisburg itself like the people who work yeah. And it is, but not in Harrisburg. Harrisburg itself, like the people who work in Harrisburg don't tend to live in Harrisburg, they live in the suburbs. How far is Harrisburg from Philly? The pencil fast you're driving.

I would say like 90 minutes maybe. OK, OK, if you're driving the speed limit. Probably like 90, 90 minutes. How fast would you get there? Like four hours. Did you go and you were teen-ended? Did you go to Philly to like? I went to concerts, Sarah Lian. You did? What kind of concerts? Conc four hours. Did you go and you were teen-added, did you go to Philly to like, I went to concerts in Sarallaya.

You did? What kind of concerts? Concerts, nobody says concerts. What did they say? Shoes, gigs. I went to like different gigs. I don't know if they said gigs, that means there's gigs. What kind of concerts did you get?

I went to a lot of different events in Philly. Like rock shows, concerts, shows. Really? Yeah. What kind of rock shows? My favorite band in high school was the Libertines. Oh wow That's the Libertines fronted by Kate Moss's former husband. Am I right? Pete Dardi. I don't know if they were technically married, but yes the former boyfriend. Yeah, he's like the um who is

Amy Amy Winehouse's boyfriend. Oh Blake Blake. Pete Dardi was like a proto Blake Yeah, he was like a bad drug addict who made Kate Moss. Beautiful music. Who made beautiful music. He also made Kate Moss a bad drug addict. He did not make Kate Moss a bad drug addict. Oh, you think you think it just happened. I think two bad drug addicts were drawn to one another. Well, that's what happens usually. But yes, I love the liberty. I went to a ton of shows. My mom, my sweet mom, would drive me, because I got good grades in school. So as long as I kept my grades.

It's not a big drag here. Really good grades. Well, my district, the year I graduated, was the worst in Pennsylvania. But I didn't get grades. Great grades, well there. You look, I didn't have a lot of competition. It was actually really quick.

I mean, to her wonder, if maybe people were just kind of like, she's pretty good good, but you know, like a Paris. I was really worried about that going to school. I was worried that I wouldn't be able to do anything, but because I got grades, my mom would let me go to concerts on school, and she would drive me to Philly and back. 90 minutes? Like on a Tuesday. Yeah, what was she doing? She's a pediatrist. She worked normal hours. No, I mean like, so when you went to the show. She would, I have an uncle who lives in Philly. She would go out dinner with him or yeah just go to a bookshop. That's very cool. I was when I was a teenager I'm a high school dropout but when I was a teenager I got the grades. I'm the opposite. I got no grades but I just like at some point I was like going to raves and

and my parents drove me to a handful of raves and picked me up from a handful of raves. So they were very nice in a similar way. Oh, it's funny. All right. They got a lot of stories. They'll corner you at a dinner party and definitely tell you embarrassing stories about me raving at 16 and 17. But anyhow, so okay, so you were going to shows, you were seeing the Libertines and then how do we get on this topic? Oh, we've got a Harrisburg. I'm fencing, yeah. So you're saying that your school's not that great.

Very bad, school. Do you miss Harrisburg? Do you like it? I miss my Nana and my parents. Great cheap shopping. You say Nana even your grandmother. My grandmother. I love the cheap shopping, great thrift stores there. Really? One of the good will shopping, great thrift stores there. Really?

One of the good wills, or there's like small. Airsturg has just become kind of like a thrift store belt and central PA, like good will, salvation armies, random options. You never had red, white and blue there, did you? No, is that a thrift store? In Pittsburgh, we had red, white and blue. There's a couple of them. They may still exist, I don't know.

They were unbelievable. Like you could get like crazy, because a lot of old people, a lot of old people dying in Pittsburgh, you get like really sick, like YSL, like ties and stuff, like vintage. I have a ton from this from Red White. No, who's bringing it? I don't mind telling you, they were like $3.

I mean, that's how much everything costs in Pennsylvania. So I miss that aspect of it. Yeah, that's very cheap. But life is cheap there too. Life is cheap. The high school friends who I was closest to are the ones who have gotten out of Harrisburg. Right. You want, because the people who stayed, I've got, you know, I actually Pittsburgh's cool now though. Yeah. Not to like flip this around. I've only been to Pittsburgh twice. What were you there for? I went once when I was like four and had my photo taken with Santa and a mall.

Okay, that doesn't, I don't know why that would happen. I don't know why. I don't know why. I don't know why we're there. I mean, maybe we didn't want the lines at the hair. It must be the reason. They're had to. You don't just go to Pittsburgh taking a photo taken.

And then I didn't go back for like 12 years. And then when I was in college, I worked in Philly for most of summer. And then I had like two weeks off for classes started. So my mom and I Decided to take kind of like a film in Louise Road Trip across Pennsylvania. Oh, fun And we stayed in like a random little town that had a cute B&B We went to falling water. Oh, it's beautiful. We went to the Warhol Museum in Pittsburgh. That's a great museum It really is. Yeah, did you go to the silver cloud room? Yes, that's all I remember from that. That's so good. Super fun.

It's amazing. Yeah. Okay. So you write about pop culture or culture. Let's just say, what are you working on right now? Can you say, do I already ask you this? You didn't ask. You won't tell me.

I don't think I should say. You don't want to talk about it. No. I'm working on something that is not going to be in the June issue. It will be after that. Is it huge? Hmm. I don't know. I'm so working on it. I'm having fun doing it. Are you hanging out with people like Justin Bieber?

No. It's something completely different. Yeah. Okay. So Taylor Swift, you hate her, is that true? No. You don't. I'm fascinated by her. What fascinated you about Taylor Swift?

Oh my God. I cannot figure out what she's like. She's sweet. She seems horrible, right? I mean, I know this is bad for me to say, but she seems like a horrible person. She seems like a fake. Yeah. Right? Like manufactured.

Yeah. And maybe I would meet her in lover. Well, apparently everybody does. Mm-hmm. Her squad is very large. Oh my God, the damn squad. How do you feel about the word squad? Are you into it?

Squad. It's like so similar to squad. It feels like it's not a good word. I think squad, like a Native American squad. Okay, that's a different direction. To go ahead. Oh God, Taylor. She speaks like this.

She says every letter in the word like she's been programmed It's just odd. It's odd. She's writing some kind of advanced bot algorithm Um, I just like thinking you know what is what is her life like what's Taylor's worth thinking about? I spend my days thinking about what Taylor's was thinking about. What do you think she's thinking about? I just picture a blank screen. It's blank a thinking about. What do you think she's thinking about? I just picture a blank screen. It's blank. A blank space.

No, I think she's so hyper Machiavellian in terms of good press. Really? And like a Beyonce-ish way. But when Beyonce does it, I love it. And when Taylor Swift does it, I'm like, who brother? You say it like that. I say, oh brother. Is that something that somebody says? No, that's just how I say it like that. Is that something that somebody says?

That's how I say it. Because you said exactly the same twice in a row. I can tell you. But it's like on a lot of Adderall. That's my impression of Taylor Swift is like, she's had a mecha dose of Adderall every time I see her in public. And it's like there's like this like crystalline version

of Taylor Swift that you're seeing that it's like smooth and clear and bright, but not an actual person. It's like, it's like if you were to like flick it really hard to bite shatter and explode. I can't get a handle on what she's like, but maybe that is what she's like, that like doesn't really. What?

You know, if you don't, they did not really like anything. You know, some people are just kind of nervous like anything. Like it's not that she's secretly really funny, you're really neat. No, like do you think you can tell us that has a favorite movie? I think yeah. And I think that if I knew it was I'd be like oh, brother. Why do you think tell us your favorite movie is? Let me think. Um, you have to be careful too because now that you're a GQ and that you're a writer slash out of there, you could end up

in a room with Taylor Swift. I would love that. I mean, we probably won't because we just had around the cover rip before I started. Oh, really? But I have a ton of questions Taylor's. I would love that. I mean, I probably won't because we just had her on the cover rip before I started. Oh, really? A ton of questions for her. I'd love that. What would be your first question for Taylor? Are you on? Mine would be, are you on Adderall?

I'd say, are you Justin? That's just my go-to. Is it? What if she was like, I must be? If you could start every interview like that. If she's got I must be, I'd fall in love with her. I'm here for the thing for, like, I like'd like to see like in 40 years at the end of, not the end, but it's your some sort of like new point in your career.

You've done hundreds of interviews with celebrities all the time with, are you Justin? And the response was, I'm awesome. You should try to do that. Maybe, will. For your new thing, you're working on the account talk about. Anyhow, so you would like to talk to Swallow Taylor Swift because you have these questions, what are the questions? Man, I'd really have to think about it.

Like seriously, first question. You don't have anything else up inside of you. Well, if I had planned to interview her, I would have something ready. I'm trying to think. It's fine. I want to know. Do you want to know what her favorite movie is?

No, she started telling me I would say, shut up.. Wait, do you know? I I go a little bit Okay, before before Ryan tells us what her favorite movie is Who take guesses? Yeah, but I have to say I bet this is dated information. Oh, it's from tellers lift web.com So it's probably like when she was 14, but it's still good. I'm gonna say love actually. I'm gonna say eight mile It's love actually. Oh my god. Oh my god. What the fuck. Yeah.

You really did in a pop culture, holy shit. Yeah, baby. Wow. That's another pop culture. Dude, but love actually. Yes. Pretty good. We're good to get it right.

She grew up on a Christmas tree farm and her favorite film is love actually. It just makes me want to fucking die. I actually would ask her a lot of questions about Christmas trees. Can I just say something? Love actually is not a bad movie. It's not me want to fucking die. I would ask her a lot of questions about Christmas trees. Can I just say something? Love actually is not a bad movie. It's not a bad, I've seen worse.

It's a bunch of good short films. Hugh Grant is in love actually, Greg. I've never seen it. Yes, Hugh Grant is in love. I like anything that Hugh Grant is in. As long as he's being the Hugh Grant character. Yeah, like where he's like stuttering. I'm feeling that, right?

He's nodding. About a boy, one of my favorite movies. Not in hell is like seriously like one of my favorite movies. Have you seen Not in Hell? No. Are you fucking kidding me? You would love it. Dude, not in hell. Not in hell is the ultimate Hugh Graham of your my opinion. Like there is no. Do you agree, Ryan? Absolutely. And it is also one of the ultimate, like what we thought about celebrities in the 90s. Oh my god like what it would be like I keep on you would see not real both furious. Yeah, I'll watch it. It's on Netflix. He's it. I bought it I bought it on fucking iTunes

That's how much I liked on inhale. I have it on DVD and Netflix that movies the shit Listen if you haven't seen not in Hill go home tonight Put it on is on that Netflix? Absolutely. You have Netflix subscription. My friend is. Are you kidding me? What? Wow.

I thought you were making GQ money. Not enough. Not enough to spray for. You're a writer and another and yet still not enough to get Netflix. My friends are a lawyer. Very strange. Alright, so Taylor Swift gave a send off to Kobe Bryant, who agreed to be a basically a rapper. Do you agree with

that? Is that true? I like that you said raper because I do think that rapist is like artist. We are rapists. That's rapist sounds way to like they're doing calligraphy or something. I think we should be saying raper. A rapper. It sounds like a murderer. I was frankly surprised to see that she did. What was her thing? What was her send-off? forget, but it was just, oh God, it got really insane at the end. It was like, thank you for being such a positive person in the world. You're great, athlete. You're very short. I'm just gonna fucking say it, okay?

Tell us with sucks. Okay, she's a horrible person. If she's even a person, she's not a good person. I don't think I'd like to. She's not a real person. I'm not challenging you to do that. I mean, I love people from Pennsylvania. So, and that respect. Wait, wait,. I mean, I love you from Pennsylvania.

So, I'm never expecting. She from Pennsylvania. Yeah, she is. What part of Pennsylvania? What the what? You know that? She's from outside writing. Ugh.

Okay. Anyhow, Kobe Bryant. Ray Pester not. I'm not a lawyer. We're gonna go down the list. We're gonna go down the list. I'm not the one with the Netflix. Rabbifier.

What would you have, gun to your head? Convict, you're not. I don't know if I can say this. What, what would you have you had? Gun to your head. Convict or not, Convict? I don't know if I can say this. What was the letter you were talking about? The letter? He wrote some sort of apology. Oh, it was a statement that he released. After what he was doing.

Where he was just like, I realized I'm gonna probably misquote it, but it's something like I realize now that although I thought it was consensual at the time, she feels it was not something like that. Do, she feels it was not. Something like that. Do you think Taylor Swift was wrong for giving him a nice send-off? I think it was extremely off-brand and I wouldn't have given him that send-off.

I wouldn't have said thanks for being a positive person in the world. Do you think most of her squad would be judge panel about that? Well, the thing is if Taylor Swift wasn't aware. I just lean it down. Just lean it down. Is lean it down? Is lean it down Lena Dunham still part of her squad?

I think Lena Dunham's on the email chain, but I don't think she's coming to the sleepover. No, she's on Lena Dunham's email. Oh, she gets Lenny. She's getting Lenny to let her. Then she goes into whatever her like filter she has for shit. She doesn't read. She's like, yeah, Lenny Letter's over here.

I wonder if she has her email address. Do you think to this, like, is managing Gmail filters? I want to get a, I'd like to see a little documentary of her just, sort of, her inbox. What colors do you think she uses on those labels? I mean, if, based on her, her, her, yeah, no, burst on her. That works for the fans. That's for the fans, Ryan. If we, based on her, like, public persona is definitely red and like shades of red maybe a little pig and like one I don't know what's the color of sadness because that's where all the Kanye stuff would go What's up with her and Kanye? They're gonna get together. I think I agree. He's I think they may still have sex too

Well, I think the story of that was that he had asked her to like to have sex to tweet his album or something from her Twitter account. Wait, the life of Pablo? Yeah. To talk? Yeah, to like say, it's here. And which would have been so funny, I think it was such a brilliant move to ask her to do that. Yeah, but if she didn't play along. What does it have sense of humor? Robots don't have a sense of humor. So we're going to see three B.O.

I sigh with Kanye, and I think it's a funny idea. Kanye, I sigh with Kanye in most cases, except when he, well, he's sort of like quasi-endorised Bill Cosby. I was going to say they could you can talk about the rapists they like to get the name that and like she'd be like hey how about in a number of the the kobi thing just surprises me so much that someone in her camp was not like disheat she has panellars who are like signing off that shit yes i don't think

taylor was like what i want most in the world right now, is to give Kobe the send off he deserves. I think someone's like, you have to record this video message for Kobe. Is she still dating Calvin Harris? Who was that? You can't see, I would describe, hold on, hold on.

Because people who are listening can't see. So Katie just did, there was like a look of, I'm gonna say it was like a I roll plus head. I would say the sound that it would accompany it would be. Yes. Yes. It was like an I roll plus. I should also make it clear. My dad is half black. So I can make that sound. Or my dad is black. I'm half black. I can make that sound. You can't make it. I can't. Don't say no. I say I feel black a lot of the time. Okay, can I so I can pretty much do whatever I want? No.

Is that cool? No. Not cool. Okay. You didn't have to say that. I'm going to let you do whatever you want with your head, but I will say, head your voice, but that's helpful. I think that saves us a lot of stress.

I don't know when you get like emails. Oh my god. It was like opening your black eye. And the emails, I get. Yeah. What the where you get like emails with us. Oh my god. Was that girl like, and she black? I mean. Yeah, what the fuck was she doing? Oh, her dad's black. Oh, yeah, so. That's the best-founded black.

Well, anyhow, okay, so. So your dad's black, your mom is not. Correct. Okay, she is not black. White? Yeah. She's so kind of whitey. What is she like?

I, Irish. Huh? Oh, really? You get it right on that? Well, your name Katie she like? I wish. Oh, really? I wish. You get it right on that. Well, your name Katie is like an Irish name, isn't it? Yeah, I was named after the original bass player for the pokes, Kate O'Reardon. Oh, your parents are fucking weird.

The pokes are great. The pokes. Yeah. I mean, that's an all I've. The, well, they really are into the pokes. Wait a second. How old are you? This may be too personal, you may not

want to answer it, but how old are you? 26. Oh, you're very young. What would you have guessed? I would have guessed anything. I had no thought about how old you are. 41.

When I say, in the early 40s, what I thought, that's what I thought. No, when I talk to somebody, I'm not like, how old are you? I don't even think of it. I'm, I'm, I'm to somebody, I'm not like, how old are you? I don't even think of it. I'm, I'm, I'm age wide. I'm age wide. I was at a fancy store one time and like, the guy was trying to sell a pair of shoes along

with a dress I was trying on. And he was like, let me see your size. You're an eight and I was like, eight and a half, you're so good. And he's like, I always get a half size down. What? He guesses that he says like, oh, your feet are an eight, even though he knows they're an eight now.

You wear size eight, half. You gotta get down to flatter the person. Oh, fucking, that feet are in eight, even though he knows they're in eight now. You wear size eight, huh? You gotta get down to flatter the person. You're just too complicated. Your feet look so small. That guy is like, have you read Dune? You probably haven't. Yeah. It's like, that question is, oh 99% people are like, what's Dune?

But in Dune, there's a lot, okay, it's a science fiction novel. Okay. Do you know the movie? Okay, well, we're like, I'm up here, or I'm down here, you're up here. I'm like, you're on a mountain top and I'm down in the valley and I'm screaming at you. You're on a dude.

And you're like, in the valley. Anyhow, Dune is a science fiction novel. But a lot of it has to do with this subtle, like it's about politics. But a lot of it has to do with this subtle, it's about politics, but a lot of it is the subtle things that when you talk to somebody, the things you say that are highly complex, you're messaging all the shit to eat. If I say something to you, I'm messaging all these subconscious things that you will pick up on. So it's a lot of this high intrigue in very, it's like, oh, how are you today? And then the other person's like, I'm great.

I was just down at the gardens. And they're like, oh, just down at the gardens. That means some like deep shit to like not. Anyhow, the point is, I feel like the job you just described this guy going like, what did he say? What your shoe is this eight and a half? Let me grab a pair of shoes for you.

And you're actually eight. I'm a eight and a half. You're an eight and a half. I'm a bigger thief than you. He was playing some game where he knew your shoe size well as an eight. Yeah. It sounds so complicated to me.

It sounds like, it sounds like state craft. Yeah. Which I guess it is. Yeah. Fabulous. Anyhow, so getting back and tell her Swift. If you want to send me shoes eight and a half. If anyone's listening who could send shoes to Katie what is just for the record our sponsor can't

Kids if kids is listening I don't know to see is he involved in the shoe industry? No, but you know, he's out in the shoes size I love you I bought you a daddy like a Year and a half maybe you don't think he knows as you shoot size do you live together? No? Oh, okay, and I never let them see my it's not really why your feet disgusting. No, they're great Wow, what an ego. Okay, you love the real housewives. Yes, which ones all all of them well, okay? There's hold on hold on New York Beverly Hills

Bed style no, that's what I live New York Beverly Hills, Bedstuy. No, that's one I live. Are you in bed? No, no, no. I'm in a Presbyter's. Cleveland, Atlanta. Yes. Okay.

Houston. No, it's taking so long I would love to finish the list. Austin. Austin. Dallas. Oh, really? Yeah, they just have a Dallas they added it What are the real housewives so New York Beverly Hills

Beverly Hills Dallas Atlanta as you said New Jersey that's five Orange County oh, okay Let's see what else Potomac of course I love Potomac Potomac great. I'm sorry is that seven? That's where is Potomac outside DC not DC outside DC. they did a DC and it is a real house was a DC they that they can't you're saying it's real has a Potomac. Mm-hmm. Are you for real?

It's called the real house was a picture. What else? Miami Miami's canceled Miami's canceled. There's also the international versions like Melvin love it. There's Chesher and then there's ladies of London which is essentially the same but it has a different name. Okay, so I'm not, I'm not clearly as a lunatic. It's not canon. Nine, nine, and counting. And counting right now. What the fuck, what is going on here? These are all the rich women.

Dallas added a woman who is not that rich, and is a source of contention with the other women. Wait, what's not that rich man? Bethany wasn't rich. That's true That's right. Frank. Absolutely right. She wasn't doesn't she made does she have a wine? Does you know why she's like a billionaire now? Yeah She came over the cost of she bill you there. She's close. Yeah, she's damn close New York is a type of real house wife. It's the best one the best yeah New Jersey. It's in New Jersey I said it early on type of real housewife. The best one. The best, yeah. New Jersey.

I didn't say New Jersey. I said it early on. Hey, did you? Jersey's got, they all have a kind of a different flavor. And in Jersey. That's one. That's one is New York. Beverly Hills can also be really good, but this last season wasn't great.

I saw an episode of Beverly Hills recently. You're blessed. There was like a relatively young girl on it. She was not a milk. She was not a real housewife. She was not like in that. I don't know who that would be. No, that's what I'm saying.

I don't know. I'm asking you. I want help. Would you say that like all the real housewives are in the classic, like when you think of milk, which is a like weirdly offensive horrible term, but they're like in that space. I think of them as being at least 40.

They're like firmly occupying the- 40 to like the family. The mom I'd like to fuck space is they. They're like sexy. They're like firmly occupying the 40 to like the mom I the mom I'd like to fuck space is they they're like sexy. They're like sexy like cougars. Yeah cougars. It sounds like I feel like I'm being really offensive right. I don't know if I am but that's my impression of the show is that it's meant to elicit this feeling that these are like sexy slightly older women. Well the younger are starlets get the more like relevant the real housewives are because it's like an older woman who's like sexy

and like has a career and people are paying attention to her and she dresses up, whereas Selena Gomez really, and Ariana Grande look like 16, is my theory of how that. Wait a second, who's this girl on the Beverly Hills? I think you're talking about Erica. Who's Erica?

She is Erica Gerardi. You might know her as Erica Jane, which is her alter ego. I don't know her. I'm telling you that. I definitely don't know her as that. I don't know what you know and don't know but you might. I'm telling you okay. You might. And her husband, Mr. Gerardi. Erica Jane? Yes. That's like what is that? It's like she's like a dance. Kind of like a pop star, but only in like Eastern European countries. Yeah, like it's dance music But her husband like Vegas. That's what I know. They went to like Vegas. They got like a sweet So kind of crazy. Dubai they were in Dubai. Oh Dubai. That's where they were. Yes. That's the episode I saw great do buy the Vegas of the Middle East

And you go ahead so Eric and Jay her husband is Mr. Gerardi Tom Gerardi who was the lawyer on the Middle East. And he had to go ahead. So Erica J. Her husband is Mr. Gerardi, Tom Gerardi, who was the lawyer on the Aaron Brockovich case, is that correct? Yeah, he was. Yeah, very old. But you know what, Erica is a milk because she has a son who is a cop. She has a grown son, that woman.

So how old is she? It's very cut. I think she had a age. Is any mom a milk? Can any mom be a milk? Yeah, absolutely. Seriously? Kanye has a great line on the Beyonce drunk and love remix

You a milk and I'm a motherfucker. I think it's really nice. I don't I don't know if that is real nice Erica's 44 Erica's 44 she's 44 and very rich and she has a team of gay men that make that happen That's like her makeup artist was jealous. I feel like I just like a daughter of one of the real housewives. Really? She would be flattered, do you say? I hope this gets to her. I'm sure.

Erica, if you're listening, I'm an eight and a half. I'm sure she's a subscriber to tomorrow with Joshua to Falson. Is this who you, is this who you saw? God, she looks great. No, that's not, she's dyed dark hair. Okay, you might be thinking of a daughter.

Like they have daughters on the show. That's what I'm asking. That's what I'm fucking getting. You might be thinking of like a 15 year old Yes, I'm saying is there are there daughters on the show is there would they ever have an episode when they went to buy was anybody's daughter No, oh Yolanda's got G.S. and but she wasn't Dubai. Oh not I'm gonna go buy but they had cut they fleshed back to you a lot of you know on her lime bed crying What what why was she crying?

Yolanda has quote unquote chronic Lyme disease, which is just depression not a real That's I have a I don't believe why diseases real the medical community is divided. I Consent source of I divide I want to know the truth because I just feel like I'm gonna say some controversial shit right now. I'm just gonna put it out there There seems to be a specific kind of line, chronic line sufferer, female, avrilovine. That's all I'm gonna say. Avrilovine has chronic Lyme disease.

Avrilovine types have chronic Lyme disease. I don't wanna say anything, but I think there may be some misdiagnosis going on. I think what the common idea is that... The Katie's not biting on this at all. I'm watching it. I'm looking at right. Doctors, they won't say the women of a specific age have depression or are struggling with mental

health. They like to say that they're being emotional. So I think they turn to chronic Lyme as like, I just have chronic Lyme, like they find it out. Yolanda and Avril are wildly different ages. No offense, Yolanda. So what do you think about chronic lime disease? I think you would have been great on the real housewives of Beverly Hills where this was a constant topic of conversation.

Oh, is it really? Oh my god, yes, because I would have done it with real. Really? And Yolanda is so hurt by that. Well, Yolanda needs to come correct. I think that's what's going on about her real her real. I absolutely agree. She's not going to come correct. The real cause of her. She also got, she announced in the final episode her divorce.

From who? David Fuster. My husband David Fuster. Did Fuster Wallace? No, he's dead. No, they weren't married. She was never married to him. Who she was? David Fuster. He's like a producer or something. He does all of Mariah Carey like boys. God, you'll want to be loved to tell you. Can we get Ryan? Can we get you a lot on the on the podcast? I'll make a note. I'm just gonna burn through a couple

of these things real quick. Okay. Pauladine. Yeah. You just you talked to her. Yeah, but not as it was, you know, we were with her all the time, but what is Pauladine's I can't remember now because she's such an insignificant and meaningless person in the world, but what was her major scandal like that she said something horrible? Yeah, it was about using the N word and an employee, a former employee saying that she was very racist. And she, I think she did.

We know specifically what happened. Well, we know that she said it, and I think she said that she had it. She's like, I haven't, this is something that came up in the crew. She's like, we all used to say it, but I think she said that she had it. She's like, I haven't. This is something that came up in the crew. She's like, you know, we all used to say it, but I haven't said it for, you know, we all, you know, you know, you know, you said, we all used to say, that's number one true. That's what, what? I was like, we as like, uh, we the people, some people used to say, therefore, we are all now responsible for it. That's like, we all,

you know, we all used to put the Jews in the oven the oven you know but they hasn't happened in a while. But she she would talk about it like she had said it maybe in the 40s or the 50s. But she was at least 11 or 50s but she had said it in like the late 80s to describe someone who robbed her maybe. Yeah it was the guy who robbed a bank she was there. You know not not a great guy but yeah it's plenty of words to use for not a great guy that aren't the end word. I agree, it's called not a great guy. I was robbed by not a great guy. That's an end phrase, not a great guy.

That's not the one she went with. So maybe she was robbed like at gunpoint. She was a bank teller. Okay. So yeah, someone came in and robbed the bank. Well, still though, the board doesn't, has no place there. Yeah, I do not. Well, the audience board doesn't, has no place there. Yeah, I do not.

Well, the whole damn famed of him. She made really shitty food, right? Very unhealthy food. She was like the guy, she was like the guy Fieri. Was that he pronounced it? Yeah, Fieri. The guy Fieri of Southern women. He's kind of more, I think, like, down his driving.

He's not from Philly. He's from like Baltimore. Actually, I don't know where he's from, but it's not Philly because I would rather we're guy fieddias from please. He's from Columbus, Ohio. He's such a he's such a guy from Ohio. He's literally a guy from Ohio. I wonder how K. Sik feels about a guy. How John K. Sik feels about guy fieddi? I don't know that I can't do it right. Can you get Kasich on the phone right now?

I'll put you on hold. Are you a political person? Do you have political unions? No, I'm not really a political person. I'm enjoying definitely the spectacle of the selection in a big way. Are you, do you think Trump is good or bad for America? Make America great again. I think he's going to make America.

I think he's very entertaining for America. I think he's going to make America. I think he's going to make America. Can we get that? Can we put it on the set? I want that to be the quote. I don't know if any of them are really good. Are you a Hillary supporter?

I'm a Hillary again. I think I like Bernie. I like Bernie too. Can I just say we have got to divide it house right now. Because Laura is Hillary. And by the way, I like Hillary. And there's actually, you know, I mean, we kind of like created the modern Hillary.

I mean, we, the like created the modern Hillary I mean we the people the people that uh... polity I think general but like we created the modern Hillary where she's like kind of a robot I mean she's I feel for Hillary in the same way that I actually feel for Ivana Trump which is they are trying you know I see them striving they're hitting all the right notes they're saying Ivanka Ivanka not Ivanka, not Ivana. Not Ivana.

Not Ivana. Ivana is really Ivanka and Hillary. I just correct you in the pop culture reference. I feel pretty fucking good about that. Well, doesn't Ivanka just mean like little Ivana or something? They hit all the right notes. They, you know, and just people, people don't laugh at their jokes. And their jokes are flawlessly delivered

and they know this is a funny joke. Like Taylor Swift, a lot like Taylor Swift. I guess kind of, but I feel like Ivanka and Hillary want it more and they are striving so hard to be like, I'm the one that you guys should like. But you like Bernie. I like Bernie. I feel bad.

What is your boyfriend like? I think he likes Bernie too. But really, more than I like Bernie, I love the spectacle of it. I wish that he-nie, I love the spectacle of it. I Wish that the can you really love the spectacle when it's like the fate of America hangs in the balance? I don't know how much the fear is like forces man. I just want to talk about the real house Alright, so there's one they want to do by I can we talk about is it Potomac? Is that what it is? Potomac. Can we talk about where is Potomac is where we talk about where is Potomac is where? Right outside DC.

It's like Maryland. And this is just- When the wealthy zip codes in the country, those are- Oh, they're just like very rich women. And they're all season one. But- Okay, hold on. The twist.

There's some extremely elaborate hand motions happening in here, I just want- They are all black or biracial. Every last one of them. Really? Yeah, so it's kind of like a second Atlanta. I mean, that sounds racist to white people. You know, let us in there. White people have so many housewives.

But some white people jump into the Potelmick. But it's brilliant because Potelmick is not even a very black area. You know, it's a huge, you know, I mean, a huge surprise like season two. There's gonna be a white person's gonna come, a white girl's. I mean, I'm like, what's this white girl doing in this? Got someone in there. Yeah. But it's, I think Atlanta is the highest rated housewives.

So Bravo, they needed another or black one. They did. I mean, they did. I like that. They like, I don't want to say it, but we got to get another black. That is the thing about Atlanta. They're black, different from every other housewives. How's the other housewives franchise?

Is that all the women or black? Are they? Yes. I've never seen it. They started with one white woman, but now they are all black. What happened to her? She, do you follow sports?

No. Okay. Why, what, you think she's right? Her husband is Croy Beerman. He's a football player. I don't know. So she kind of has her own spin-off called Don't Be Tartier.

She's got a show? Yes. If you're really good housewife, you get a spin-off. Wait, really? Like, I'll show unto yourself. How the fuck is this sustainable? How can we sustain this?

I sustain it. All right, we should, we should, there's more, we didn't get to, well, we got to do something. What do you want to talk about? I don't know if this is high-teched. Honestly, this is, this conversation is the exact conversation I want to have. Okay, so I just want to say, this has been an amazing episode. For me, I don't know how people are going to feel when they listen to have. Okay, so I just want to say this has been an amazing episode. For me, I don't know how people are going to feel when they listen to it, but personally, I feel like I've grown,

you know, I feel like I am a new person. I just want to say that I take back everything I said. Please leave that part in. Well, Ryan can edit it out. There's be me asking questions in no response. I'm like, at the point where I'm like, put a white person in there, it's really confusing. But that's okay. Kay, this is awesome. Thank you for doing this. Thanks for having me.

You have to come back after whatever the thing is that you're working on, which you can't talk about. Keke gives the end, can you give me any detail on it? Fabulous. You'll be jealous when you hear what I've done. Okay, so it's like sort of something in the gay space. It's, I'm getting to say is that it's that rude? Is that a home of other? I actually, I'm getting to travel

to a lot of places, not Dubai, not like a real housewives level. It's only a little bit fabulous. Yeah, five is never. Okay, you're traveling a lot. Yes. They put you in first class at GQ. No, but I did an upgrade on a flight Which I never have I What's your airline? Whatever like gets booked through a condom How tall are you you wear a size eight and a half shoe. I tell you I am 58 I'm just Thinking about because I this is a big issue for me when I fly I'm like If I don't I mean I will pay to fly business or first class I got in my own pocket because I love luck.

And you won't buy me a purse? Of course, love luck. I will buy you shoes. Who said I wouldn't? Was it even a question? I mean, you fucking know what that, I mean, within reason. I mean, I'm not gonna buy you some shoes or whatever.

Let's not get ridiculous. Okay. What kind of shoes would you want? Oh my God. Well, if I could pick right now, any shoes you want. But boots, I'll fuck it somewhere. That's a bad, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But it look a brand Like specifically a style Like a pair of flats like you know, like is it a fuck you want to prod a shoes or

Prada that's not what I would ask for what would you ask for? I would ask for something more reasonable like what I don't like from Payless you can get like two for one or whatever. Oh, I know I don't like from pay something I find it like pay less you can get like two for one or whatever. Oh, I know The pay less like disintegrate while you're walking to that right? You get like 10 blocks and they just like I have a little a little tip for all your listeners Okay, let's go for all my listeners by shoes of pay last here. We go pay less black flats They look the same as other black flats and they cost like $12. They do fall apart. They're uncomfortable and made by some of the other black flats in the cost like $12. They do fall apart, they're uncomfortable. And made by, basically made by slaves in other countries.

I don't know, I don't know how they get to pay. I'm telling you, I'm telling you. I don't know how they get to pay. So what would your shoe brand of choice be? Top brand. I don't know why. I don't know. Luba Tons are not the one with the red.

Yes, that's them. They are. You know, they've trademarked that. Oh yeah. Yeah, okay, you know about that. I don't know. Then you have Katie. So when you're done with your,

whatever you're traveling thing is, that you can't tell us, you have to come back to talk about it. Okay. Can you do that? Can you bring me a pair of shoes? I will definitely come back. No, I'm not gonna bring you a, a, a, a, a, a during a bogos sale. I won't get one so that I get two.

Bogo, just writing that down. Thank you. It's Mexican Mexican Mexican. Anyhow, thank you so much. This was awesome. Thank you. And you have to come back. Okay.

Wow. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow. And as always, I wish you and your family the very best. Though I understand that Taylor Swift is at your house, and she wants your family to be part of her squad forever. you