Tomorrow - Episode 58: Scheming with Ryan Houlihan

Episode Date: June 20, 2016

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So check it out at crownandcalibur.com slash tomorrow. My guess today is a man who you might know and you probably don't know it all. I certainly feel that way right now, having just had a very brief conversation with him about his background. I'm of course talking about tomorrow's producer, and really tomorrow's rising star, Ryan Huland. Hello, Josh. Hello, tomorrow listeners.

Now, you probably... Here's the interesting thing. So I actually thought, like, I should do a show with you because I've had several people say to me, who's this guy? Who's this guy I keep hearing? Or like, hey, this guy's going to talk, get him a good mic. So we said that to me last week.

We were in an unfamiliar studio, so I think it's not all on you. But I realized from the start of tomorrow, originally Magnus, I had this producer Magnus, you know, Magnus. Oh, yes. And so he was sort of on board from day one, you know. He never said, he never said anything where you could hear him. He didn't want to be heard. In fact, in fact, I tried to do an episode with him and he was so terrified of recorded. And so, like against it, it was a really bad,

we recorded like a really bad show and had to be scrapped. That's a Swedish trade, isn't it? Fear of beer. Yeah, it's some kind of Swedish thing. They're like, they've got a problem. You know, it was like, seriously, there were parts of the show, it was like, you Americans, you all want to be on TV,

but that's not how we are. It's like, all right. Okay. Now you're just being racist. I'll tell that to Abba. Yeah, tell that to fucking Abba is right. The greatest, of course, the greatest pop band in the world effort.

A lot of time. Yeah. I mean, maybe the deals are a little bit. I'm looking at your, I'm looking at it. So anyhow, long and short is like I thought. I mean, you have become, in my opinion, a very important part of the show. Really?

Yeah, I think so. Oh, thank you. And I really like the fact that you talk on the show and that you have stuff to say. And I find it to be, I don't know, I think you and I have a good rhythm. Yeah, the first time I met you, I was like, I've listened to this podcast.

I knew you from probably like, Engaget days just because I loved tech vlogs. Like, I just love, probably like, in gadget days just because I loved tech vlogs, like I just love, I was always in my RSS feeds. And I was like, but it's one of those things where you meet somebody that you kind of know, but they don't know you and you're like, how's this gonna go?

And within five minutes, we were just making really dark jokes. And I was like, oh, this is great. Yeah, it was just a normal conversation, both of us. No, the feeling was mutual, of course. Let's not spend too much time patting ourselves in the back here, okay? And talking about how great we are and how much we enjoyed each other's company. But the truth is, I actually don't know anything about you.

In fact, you just revealed to me that you're a calmness for Teen Vogue. And it's like, I have, apparently I didn't even do a cursory Google search of you, which is very unusual because I'm pretty critical about the people that I work with. It must have been that you just were so charming and, and you were so smart. I was just like, who cares? Should have become a con man. I missed my car with this guy. Well, this guy is really all about.

So here's so a couple of things that I now know about you. You are a comedian. Yeah, you do stand up. I used to do stand up. I do sketch and improv now. So a couple things that I now know about you. You are a comedian. You do stand up. I used to do stand up. I do sketch and improv now. Okay, sketch and improv. Okay, you said I'd have that, but you write a column

for teen votes. Yes. Called. It has a name. It's called Queer Theory, but we've yet to roll out its specific branding. So if you want wanna find it, you just have to Google my name and it will come out.

Yeah, which is what I did. Couple of things have come to my attention. Oh, here's Colton Haynes. Yeah. Yeah. Now, I thought Haynes was spelled H-I-H-A-I-N-E-S, and it's actually H-A-Y-N-E-S, which seems like a completely fake name.

Like a totally fucking manufacturer. Colton was not a name 10 years ago, right? Like no one had ever been named. Colton had a name like Colton. And also, I mean, there were a lot of names that aren't real. Dalton. Dalton might have been a real name. It feels like something that was like a last name.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of that. And there's a lot of recycled, like my grandmother was named this, so it's funny that we name a baby this. Like there was all these sofias for like three years, lots of sofias. You know? We, um,

I'm trying to think with when it came to Zelda if we ever talked about. I think we sofi came up, but then it was quickly dismissed when we were talking about names. What was like Emma? Everyone was naming there be Emma and then- That's because of friends. Yeah, that's because of friends. Right? Yeah, that's because that's what Rachel named her baby. Yeah.

And everyone was like, she's chic. And now every Emma from the born of the 90s is like, you know, ugh, I have a friend's name. Actually, they're like, it's cool because friends is very hot with millennials. Yeah, millennials love friends. I guess so, I don't really know. I mean, have you ever seen friends?

Uh, I watched every single episode of Every, we watched Must See TV Thursday as a family. It was basically our version of like Shabbat dinner, or like every Thursday we sat down with a pizza, and we would watch Seinfeld, and even shit like Veronica's closet that nobody in my family would like. All right, let me try that.

Let me try to remember Veronica's closet. Don't say anything. I will. It starred Valerie Burton at Lee. It started Valerie Burtonently. In my clothes? No. It started, what's her name from Cheers? Yes.

Yes. Okay. It was, what is her name? Curstie Alley. Yes. Was owned a, she was a fashion designer. Mm-hmm. lingerie?

The details are like- It was like, I was like, was it supposed to be like, Victoria's secret? Yes. It was supposed to be like, Victoria's secret and she was Victoria. Even though in real life,

I think Victoria was a man. Right, and she was divorced from her husband. Yes. And she was a woman trying to make her way in a big city. In the big city. In the big city of New York City. Just, you know. This is all I fucking know about it.

And I have to say, I do not, I could Google it right now. I am in front of my computer, but I'm not going to. In 1996, that was enough to get you a four television show deal with the largest network. All right, I'm Googling it, I have to know. I had an issue with Chris Diallie for a while. Why? I used to talk about her, I did a podcast a few years ago,

and I used to talk about her all the time, and the people that listened to that podcast, it was before we realized that celebrities are reading their own social media, so they would just tag me in everything she did. So she started tweeting at me, and she would see my jokes and be like, you being meanin' I was like,

no, no, no, I'm a huge fan. Like her, her siali would tweet it. Yeah, she was like on top of me for a while. I know. So a couple of things to know about Veronica's class. I'd give you a little, a little run about. So I'm for three seasons.

Uh huh. Uh huh. That's a good run. She created by David Crane and Marta Kaufman, who lived with the greatest TV producers and creators of all time. The minds behind Grace and Frankie. Okay, we're gonna get to that in a second because I don't know what that is. But um, Dan Cortese was on the show. That's one thing that you should know, okay. Now let me tell you about. Do you remember Dan Cortese?

Vigley. He's from Swickley, which is basically Pittsburgh. And Do you remember Dan Cartier? Vigley. He's from Swickley, which is basically Pittsburgh. And I think he was on, I think he got his start as being the guy hosted club MTV. Oh, am I crazy or am I imagine that? I don't see that in this, in this listing here. Cartier's first came to prominence as team coach

of the Brick Layers on MTV Rock and Jock and host of MTV Sports from 92 to 97, okay. So I guess it was in Club MTV, I'm thinking of somebody else. At any rate, why are we talking about this? Why are we here right now? I have no idea. I worked at MTV.

I was reading my friends. That's relevant too. Did you? Yes, I was reading. So you've seen every episode of friends. Every episode of friends several times. Have you seen the one with the baby? I don't know if that's an actual title, episode title,

but it sounds like it should be. The one where Rachel has a baby. I feel like it's the one where Rachel has a baby or the one with the baby or something like that, anyhow. I find friends to be almost unwatchable, personally. Yeah. Mostly because they apartments are so beyond belief. I mean none of it is grounded in any kind of like near yet Like when people say girls is unrealistic

I'm like this is from the nation that like 40 million people a week watched friends and was like yep that I buy that Get that's New York. Yeah central park. They can always get the sofa. No problem. Absolutely And I'll just the geography of New York makes no sense. I've heard of a Zoom Central perk is anywhere by Central Park. They're also like, pop into the West Village, so-and-so lives on the Upper East Side. They wouldn't be friends with you. I'm not friends with people who live in Brooklyn. No, I know, it's annoying.

I've lost since I've moved. I've lost every friend I ever had in New York. You knew that going in though. I wanted it as well. I was actually looking for it. In fact, I was trying to get away from those people at any rate. So, okay, so Ryan, so we've learned a few things about you.

Now, let's talk about our history together, okay? Sure. Many, many months ago, what seems like an age and eternity. Magnus bailed on the podcast. For, you know, maybe greener pastures I don't really know. And I was desperate. I thought he died, didn't he die? He died, actually he died. He died in a horrible, horrific accident, which was first

disfigured him and then killed him. But, uh, and he also Ryan, you would, you emailed me, right? I was like, I need a producer. I do. I was like, I need a producer. I guess you follow me on Twitter, is that right? I follow you on Twitter? I was like, I need a producer. I was like, I need a producer. I guess you followed me on Twitter, is that right? I follow you on Twitter and I listened to the podcast and you said you were looking for a producer and I produced things. I think that's so funny that you listen to tomorrow. Do you?

No, I mean, kind of, we have a popular show here. It was popular before I came along. Very popular, if it's actually more popular, I'd be honest with you. The number is so much better. But I think you're really tracking down. You like to... I'm the cousin Oliver tomorrow.

He is a what? Cousin Oliver. He's Cousin Oliver. When he showed up on the Brady's, Cousin Oliver, he was like, all the kids were getting too old, so they brought in their cousin, whose parents died or something. I am not.

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I mean, I do too, that's why I do so many freelance, like that's why I do comedy and freelance writing and stuff like that, because I don't, you can't give me a time to be, that's unrealistic. So you don't have a fixed schedule, you don't wake up at some time every day. Well, I mean, it's between nine and one. That's fucking disgusting, I hate you.

I know, I'm offended, I'm offended just hearing about that. Listen, I always say I traded off a certain amount of money because I just, for my own mental health reason. What did you do before that you had this loose schedule? I worked at MTV, that was not as loose. What did you do at MTV? I worked for MTV News, but on the shows team, so it was covering MTV stuff.

And it was pitched to me as like, you know, just create your own content with our content, but that means branded content is what I came to understand. And I didn't want to write branded content as well. No, no. What kind of brands were you put in front of? Like, what were you having to work on? Real world, the challenge. I should like make content based around those. We had to make people care about people they never heard of and shows they're not excited about. Can you give me an example of the kind of story you might have done?

I would pitch things like, you know, 50 funniest moments from this season on Awkward or the moment we knew we loved faking it, which are there like comedy teen sitcoms. So let me get this straight. I just want to understand what you're telling me. How long ago was this? This was as of, when I quit. Oh, okay. So just to be clear, MTV has a team of people to work on, or at least at some point had a team.

They thought this was an idea they were going to do, where they were part of the news. You were part of the news team? It was called remote control, and it was a blog that existed for a while, and then it was folded under the news team, but it's clearly labeled in that way that like Buzzfeed stuff is sort of labeled so you know it's branded. Like it's not technically news, but it's made to make you believe it's news. But so you basically just have to create like,

shit that made their shows seem interesting or good. Yeah, it's like that look like Buzzfeed content. Yes. Where's like eight reasons you need to be watching Teen Wolf right now. Yeah, I'd be like, we interviewed. We interviewed so and so from Teen Wolf and you won't believe what he has to say.

And then what you won't believe is that he loves Teen Wolf. That sounds like a pretty sweet job actually. It was okay. It was, I thought I was coming off. I worked on a couple TV shows with friends of mine and I was coming off of that thinking I need something where I know I'm getting a paycheck and this doesn't sound that hard.

And I just sort of came to realize that like creatively for me, I was willing to sacrifice a certain amount of money and like lifestyle choices in order to do things that I was proud of and like wanted to show people. And I guess like, that's the thing. I was coming from TV where even if it wasn't my creative vision, I was serving a creative vision. You know? Right. So it was an easy job. It was just emotionally and mentally. It was not sustainable for me.

If someone can do that, bless your heart. But like the most important thing in my life is my creative work. It's not like having money or going on vacations. And so some people I think that that's true. But it's not. Right. What would you do before that? Before that I worked on difficult people, which is a show on Hulu, starting Julie Klausner, who's a friend of mine. I also do her podcast. Yes. It's called How is Your Week? No, yes. Yes, it is called How's Your Week, which really clouds, Near, who I have only met once, but she was very lovely. Well, maybe I've met more than once, but I met her, my brother's wedding.

Oh, really? Yeah. Cause she's friends with Kate in a top of us, who is my brother's wife. Oh, that's right. Did you know that? That makes sense. I knew that, but it's one of those facts

that comes back to me. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, a lot of people are surprised to hear that. Surprise, but also not surprised. You know what I mean? It's also not a shock. We have a cool family. Yeah, you definitely do.

Everybody in this family is busy. Yeah, I gotta think like, you know, around the holidays, Thanksgiving, you've got quite a conversation going. You know, you would think that, but usually, you know, the thing is around the holidays, Thanksgiving you've got quite a conversation going. You know, you would think that, but usually, you know, the thing is around the holidays, it's always us in a room full of old Jewish people. And so typically, typically.

Sometimes the old people are of a different religion, but most of the time. Most of the Jews. Most of the Jews. And so really the conversation is like, you know, like how many times, when I'm visiting with family, how many times you think people ask me about Jimmy Fallon, for instance, as if, as if Jimmy and I are good friends that we talk all the time and that, and like, and like, listen,

and sometimes like my mother took, my mother will talk, and my mother's, you know, really wonderful. But my parents sometimes talk about like me going on tonight, you're like, I'm doing them a favor, you know, you know, like, you know know, like, they should have you on longer. So we like that. It's like, yeah, you know, just the fact that I'm even invited is nice. You'll hear a lot of that. But you do hear a lot at our, so at our family events,

there's not a lot of, you don't really get into the, I mean, we have those conversations on a regular basis, but most of the conversations are about guacamole. When we're around each other, just like everybody most of the conversations are about guacamole when we're around each other, just like everybody else. Everybody's talking about guacamole. Yeah, I would say that's funny, that I have a similar experience.

The more interesting my cousins are, the less I'm likely to talk to them at a party. But then I actually have established relationships with them outside of the family setting, whereas there's people that I don't see for 11 months out of the year. Not that I don't love them, but what are we gonna talk about?

Yeah, right. They're not in your world. No, but you know what, it's funny, the people that aren't in your world are the ones that comp to you and say like, I saw your show on Hulu, you should pitch them this idea and it like as if that's how that works.

Yeah. Or my dad has always got like a bit to tell me, or like my grandpa. Yeah, oh no, no, my dad has had a many, many bits for a foul and my mother has had jokes too. They're dying to get some jokes on foul. Oh, yeah. It's like, I don't understand. What did you miss your calling? Is it comedy? Or is it just that this like very convenient situation has presented itself to you? Well, my dad used to watch or he still does. He watches two to three episodes of Seinfeld the day.

So that's his sense of humor so shoehorned into that 90s like, once the deal with, and he's always coming to me and saying like, once the deal with solar power, I saw a solar power company and you're like, okay, like there's nothing, this is, you're gonna think this is very funny, but I can't sell this. So... So what did you, did you write for difficult people?

Did you produce what we do? I was an assistant to the executive producers. So it was kind of a halfway between get Julie's laundry and coffee, and when Julie's not around, make Julie like decisions. So it was very confusing. Wow, that's cool. It was tough because there was time, like she's a very good friend of mine. And there was times in it was like, um, there was times when it was like a dream. It was like, you're

with your friends or come up with ideas. She's asking for input. It was awesome. And then there's other times just through the like not through anyone's fault, but through the like logistics of the job when you're trying to make her trailer a certain humidity level on your oh my god wow she got a trailer and everything wow that's a real that's a real TV show TV show uh... how do you what do you get a humidifier in there is that what you do like three humidifiers really she very dry is she a

last day she had no voice and we had to look at those lines but we were trying to not have to do that yeah well you know you've been around me when I've... Well, it's tough when you're talking all the time. That's why you were like laughing at how many tips I had, but I was like, don't worry, I am averse. Yeah, you had a lot of tips. That's true. You knew all about how to help somebody with their horrible voice.

I did. I was an actor for a long time doing, like in college, I was a theater major. No. Yeah, I was in a musical constantly since I was like three years old. I don't, I find that hard to believe. I can't sing, but have you seen fucking Hamilton? No, I haven't seen him. My God, we gotta go. Everybody, everybody's seeing it, everybody's talking about it.

I'm listening to the music on Spotify, like some kind of loser who listen to a musical that they haven't seen. I like the music that I hear, but I wanna be one of the first people to call bullshit on it. Well listen, I listen, I think we're all waiting for the Hamilton backlash. Yeah, I think there's a lot of sense,

there's a lot of, it's a high sensitivity area, okay? Like, no listen, I don't think there's any reason for backlash at this point, but you know somebody is working, but like at this point, like who's gonna have the bat, it's gonna be like Breitbart or something, you know? is working. But like at this point, like who's gonna have the bat? It's gonna be like bright bar or something, you know? I sure bright bar is already written like a, a hamilton like hit piece. It's even that or it's gonna come from women saying

there's no women in the show. The women's parts are really terrible. And I agree with that. I don't know. I haven't really listened to the whole thing. So I don't know all the story. It sounds like the, it sounds like Hamilton got some checks. They're pretty into him.

That's my take away from the hamilton fans are like Harry Potter fans where they act like they're the underdog Like how like you should listen to this like nobody criticized that that's all fuck it's all everybody now That's like you know the a. O. Scott wrote this great piece about comic book movies and The attitudes of the people who love comic comic book. And it's like, you're not the underdogs. You guys are now the dominant force in popular- You're the cadence of Hollywood. You're the dominant force in popular entertainment

and you're acting sucky. Like you suck, you know? It's like, we deserve to criticize you about anything we feel because you made like a billion dollars. Yeah, it's like, you're not underground. The Avengers is an underground, okay? Like it's the most, it's like, you're not underground. The Avengers is an underground, okay? Like it's the most, it's literally, literally the most popular movie in the world.

You're not Ghostbusters fans who've been victimized for the whole time. Whoa, wait a second. What? Ghostbusters was very popular. No, I'm kidding, I'm being honest. You know what was great? A lot of people don't want to talk about it,

but Ghostbusters 2 is a really fine film. Actually, I have no recollection of Ghostbusters 2. Here's what I know. They have a big scene film. Actually, I have no recollection of Ghostbusters, too. Here's what I know. They have a big scene in a courtroom, I think, where they have to get slimer or something. To slimer, he kind of becomes like a sidekick in that movie, right? Yeah, slimer is merchandise at that point.

You want to, by the way, speaking of slimer, and I, you know, who doesn't love a sentence that starts that way? If you use the app Peach, which I know you do, you're a big peach fan. I had a peach, but I haven't opened that one. No, it the app Peach, which I know you do, you're a big Peach fan. I had a Peach, but I haven't opened that one. Everyone, no, it's a fact fucking thing is dead or than dead, but I will say, I love it.

I love Peach and no one wants it. No one will listen to me that it's the future, it's the future of social networking, but it's dead in the water. But here's the thing about Peach. They have stickers you can use now, like they have a bunch of different stickers, and they have the most,

they have a whole Ghostbusters sticker section, and they have literally more images, more variations of slimer than any other character depicted, and maybe Justin Bieber has as many stickers for Bieber. They can be emoji. Just an insane amount of slimers. How do you think that went down in a board meeting where they're like, we have to hire seven artists and we need to get this out the door immediately if we're gonna save this app? I think, no, I think they're all like bootleg sticker sets. They feel like stolen from other places.

Yeah, Tumblr. Yeah, they're like, they're like, some of them are gifts, some of them are stickers from like Facebook. It's pretty, actually, it's pretty, it's pretty weird. it's kind of like, it's like a four-channage situation going on in there. Yeah, you know, like on Wild West, the Wild West.

Pelt, Peach felt very much like, you know, whenever a product comes out that you're not sure is on the up and up, like that software that would let you torrent movies and stream them. Yeah. What was that company, not you torrent? It was one of those torrents that tried to pivot. It was, it was, no, no.

There was like a one that built it on top of that that wanted to like pivot. Oh, everyone's gonna hate us because they're gonna know what I'm talking about. Right. But it was something like it was like views or views. One of those was trying to do that. I, you've lost me completely and I should know this

because I'm an expert when it comes to things on the internet. Oh, what I'm saying is I just love when something seems like really polished but also not legit at all. That's what peach feels like. No, it's definitely like, it's definitely suspicious. Yeah, that's what's good. It's kind of like the wild west. It's sort of like, the cool thing about peach,

and I'm not trying to sell Peach to anybody, is that Peach should disclose that we're both investors in the couple of years. Yeah, I should mention, I hold 40% of Peach shares, but no, if it's like, the thing that's cool about Peach, it's like, it's like kind of like anything goes. Like it's sort of the no rhyme or reason, you can kind of do anything.

Well, that magic words thing, sometimes I just was like, you can kind of do anything. Well, that magic words thing, I sometimes I just was like, whoa, I could do that. Like when I found that game, I was like, oh, there's a lot of stuff to do on Peach. Peach ball or whatever. I think the problem with Peach is that it doesn't want, it doesn't have a web interface. Yeah.

And I'm sorry, but like you need a web interface. I don't care, you know, I know it was like, oh, the whoob is the, is actually not that. And two, I think that Peach needs like a more, it needs more of like a feed. Like it doesn't really have a feed of where you can like follow. It's like, it has kind of a thing but it only shows you like excerpts of posts and stuff.

It's like not really that good. It also needs, in my opinion, if they had folded itself in as a Twitter client, like if I could just get tweets and peach stuff in one place, I would, then you wouldn't use it. Then you wouldn't use it for peach functions. I think I would. If a cross-posted text posts, and then I could also post

piece-peach. What was that other app that tried to do that? What were they called? They asked for money. I paid them. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I paid them money for a while. I can't think of what it was called.

This is how well. It was App.net. App.net. Yeah. That's a was app.net. App.net. Yeah. It was a bad name. What's app.net? Wow, you really pulled that out of thin air, right? Yeah.

It's going on with app.net. It's still going. Still going. One account, many applications. Get instant access to hundreds of great social apps on iPhone, iPad, Android, and more. So it's now just like a thing that puts all of your social networks in a feed.

I guess that's what I was describing and clearly it hasn't been successful. Yeah, but it's like, hello, I think you got a phone call. You got a phone call. Hello, I'm sorry. I get these yellow updates. They're keep trying to get me back to it. I mean, I like signing up for hello. I'm like, what's this? You know, of course, everybody was talking about hello. Anyhow, three months ago, I got an email from them saying, we have an app. I was like, it took you two years to build up.

Like, you finally have an Ella. It's like, okay, fine. You know, but like, why? Nobody's using it. Anyhow, look, the world is littered with failed apps and failed social networks. I mean, people don't talk about Plurk, but you know, that was my favorite.

Plurk, or Plurk? I think I do. That was like Twitter. It was likek, but you know, that was my favorite. Plurk, or? Do you remember Plurk? I think I do. That was like Twitter. It was like Twitter, but it's growled to the side. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's really popular, which kind of made sense. I think it's really popular in Asia, maybe. Because of the language, like the way the language descends or what?

I don't know, it's cool. This is cool, man. Well, that was like, what was that one that was huge in Brazil? It's still huge in Brazil. I mean, this makes no sense. The site is terrible. This is cool, man. Well, that was like, what was that one that was huge in Brazil? It's still huge in Brazil. I mean, this makes no sense. The site is terrible. This is a complete cluster of fuck.

Do not go to plurk.com. Okay, I won't. Let me tell you a little bit about it, okay? It's a free social networking and micro blogging service that allows you to send updates. Otherwise known as plurks, through short messages or links, which can be up to 210 text characters in length.

Previously, 140, oh, I wonder what I can think of that. I was like, that's fucking idea. 37.1% of first traffic comes from Taiwan. It's right, 49th in Taiwan in 1975 worldwide. Listen, that's better than I've done. So congratulations, Plurk. I just saw the most insane piece of breaking news that I've seen in a really long time. Can I read it to you?

Yeah. In the photo that accompanies it is just fucking insane. This is a CNN breaking news headline. Parents gifted daughter to man, found living with 11 more girls, police say. What? Yeah, and the picture is of Two insane looking bearded men in a really angry looking woman And wait, so they gave that they gave him their daughter. That's what I'm curing. That's what it seems to be saying

I'm sorry. I'm sorry to get in kit collecting. Yeah, he had 12 girls including an 18 year old and two children he fathered with her All right, well, you know what? Oh, just north of a Bucks County This isn't fucking Bucks County, which is outside of Philadelphia men invent wonderful ways to horrify me I mean men are the worst men are the worst and I feel like we talk about this every week But like but it really is there's something wrong with men men women do aren't you know what women do women get munchows and by proxy I mean you hear it now you hear about women they drown their kids or they you know kill somebody what about what's your name from Florida By the way fuck floor fucking Florida Florida is a place that nobody should ever go I'm sorry like everything that's happening that's bad is happening in Florida like

Obviously the pulse shooting terrible and then there there's a kid getting by an alligator at Disney Land or Disney World or whatever's down there. Did you see CNN had a discussion today over whether or not that'll hurt Disney's brand? You know what? I was like, guys, could we hold off just a few minutes? Just a while.

I feel like we're covered with the course. Can we get the, I don't want to say it, because we just get like, yeah, could we move, could we get a week or two to get past before we're doing a brand? Yeah, let's relocate the gator first. But also like, nothing first or nothing to damage Disney's brand.

That's the first thing, okay. Disneyland, Disney has practically put a copyright on childhood. Yeah, I know, no, and they've done, they have some sort of like, satanic incoction where they are they're able to get any any child. Oh wrapped up into their world. They're like this guy with the 12 girls except they're just making movies. Sorry that's a really off-cat bad joke but the point is they are they do they haven't they attract children in a way that is just

unbelievable. I wrote a piece of that not to plug my own shit, but that by all means. About how Disney doesn't have a single gay character like in their entire company, unless there's a, No, there's a, There's some rumor that like the guy who owns Oaken,

the guy who owns the store in Frozen is gay. Oh, really? Like it shows, like, when he's like say hi to my family and it shows like depicts like what appears to be an adult male with a bunch of kids, I think in the sauna. Oh, well, I mean, but I don't know because like honestly,

let me just do a quick Google search for his Okin' Gay. This is cool to my life. like honestly, let me just do a quick Google search for his Okin' Gay. This is cool, by the way. Oh, I was Okin' and Frozen Gay, this one comes up immediately. I mean, like, Jafar is obviously a little swishy and suspicious. I mean, I'm not going to go into this. This is this mic article, which is 7 moments that made Frozen the most progressive Disney ever. Oh, god, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no like, so that's like the best. If that's the best, like do we know, no, but is that, do we even know that's like, that's our source? If we're supposed to create a response to gay agenda claims, okay, here we go.

That doesn't bode well. He's like, no, there's no gays in this film. Don't worry about it. Your children are safe. Hold on. We can imagine a queen who can summon ice at her will, but we can't imagine a man who marries a man. This is such bullshit. Well, it's been theorized that Oaken, the owner of wandering Oaken's trading post and sauna.

sauna. I don't know what that means. And bathhouse. Yes, seriously. It's like a weird like stereotype too. That's a strange thing. Okay, it then shows another man in the sauna with four children. Okay, this is what they show. After Chris and Bill's and his interviews to his family, it shows another man in the sauna with four children. The big issue is asked Jennifer Lee, the film's writer and co-director of Oaken

was intended to be gay while she didn't go as far to confirm. By the way, this is written in like, oh, it's from the Yahoo contributor network. Okay, some more shit fucking content on the internet. It is written like, there are so many typos and errors in this. I'm not gonna continue reading it because like my guess is that this is completely full of shit.

I don't even know if this is actually quoting something that really happened. No. Let's see if the big issue is, number one is a thing and number two, if like it actually has information here. All right, the big issue is, number one is a thing and number two, if it actually has any information here. All right, the big issue is, I believe, a magazine, a British magazine.

Okay, this looks like a real magazine. Let me just get it quick. Let's do a quick search for the word gay. Are you still with me, Ryan? Absolutely. Dude, how do you feel about that? Listen, nobody's ever searched the word gay on the internet without me being enthralled.

It's also somehow involved. Here's what she says. So is Okin Gay, we know what we made Lee says, but at the same time I feel like once we hand the film over, it belongs to the world. So I don't like to say anything, but let the fans talk. I think it's up to them. Yeah, well, I guess it was just his cousin and some of his nieces and nephews. That's interesting. Yeah, and there was the whole, there'll be a lesbian couple and finding Dory and then

the creators were like, we didn't put one in, but if you see one and it was like, Ellen DeGeneres is the star of your film. Just like say it's a lesbian couple. That's like Russell Crowe was talking about a beautiful mind, you know that movie? Yeah. And you know, the character that he plays was like, I guess was by or like, you know, had boyfriends and girlfriends or whatever.

And he's like, yeah, we didn't put it in the movie, but you can see it in like the way I look at certain characters. It's like really? You mean you look in a gateway at the end? Yeah. Like I got on, maybe he checks out a guy's ass in some scene, like I'm not really sure what happens, but like, what is the look that is like, Sir Jet?

I'm like, oh yeah, this character is, uh, the character swings both sides again. I just, I love when people in Stray people play gay people in movies and then their first thing that they say is that it was in an honor. And then they go on to say how complex and layered this character is. Like my kingdom for a character, a gay character who's not too complex. Let me, let me point you to a to a little television series called Glee. I think you'll find so much uncomplicated gay characters on that show. Actually, there's a thing about Glee.

It's like I've tied it up, but we should take a break. By the way, we're like weighing this. Let's take a break. The cliffhanger is, if you want Glee, you want to fucking know what I'm going to say? You can go stay tuned. We're going to take a quick break. My favorite thing is if you want Glee Kong, if you want to fuck it up, what are you gonna say? You can go stay tuned. We're gonna take a quick break and we'll be back with more Ryan Hula-Han, my new favorite guest, also my producer. Blue Apron's mission is to make incredible home cooking accessible to everyone. And as I can say, as a person who has eaten many, but cooked very few blue Apron meals,

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and Bitbucket give your team everything you need to organize, discuss and complete shared work. Atlassian helping teams everywhere team up to create what's next. Okay, we're back with Ryan and William. We're all on the edge, we're on the edge of our seat because I was just about to make a statement about Glee. And here's what I'm going to say. You know, Glee in some parts is actually a pretty good show. And then it's really bad in a lot of other parts. It's because everyone working on it was pretty talented,

but no matter how talented you are, if you're told these are the songs we licensed, find a way to use them, the story's not gonna be good. Like if I handed you crazy in love, gold digger, and something, and you're already halfway through a season, what are you gonna do with that?

That's when the shit gets real. And that's the other thing is it gets real cringey. Yeah. Like you're just halfway through a season, what are you gonna do with that? That's when the shit gets real. It gets, and that's the other thing is it gets real cringey. Yeah. You're just like, no, like. Also, they're not, they're not performing songs like, like in the universe, they know they're singing.

It's not like, you know, other musicals where you just sing your feelings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like, are there songs that are like, sort of adjacent to their feelings? Yeah, they're like, I just happened that are like sort of adjacent to their feelings? Yeah, they're like, I just happened to be singing this song before, you know, in a show before you broke up with me. And it was always, and always, so one thing, first of all, the auto tuning out of control. Oh my God.

Like, embarrassingly bad. So it's like, listen, you want to make a point to us that a lot of these people can actually sing, like Mission accomplished. Mission accomplished, because I definitely don't think that as far as I know, what I believe based on the level of auto tuning I was able to hear in every performance I ever watched, Anglic, no one on the staff, no one that was in the show can sing. Or they had a week to put together a track, and people just did a start to put the effort in. Yeah, I guess so. I mean, I guess that's possible. At any rate, yeah. I mean, the problem is it's like, how many times can they just break? I mean, I mean, really, how many times can you get away with them breaking into song? Honestly, apparently seven seasons or whatever. What is it like three times in episode? Do they do it? Like three times in episode. Yeah, but again, good idea at the beginning,

though. But like crazy ex-girlfriend seems to work and they're obviously working on a tenth of the budget. So I haven't seen that show, is it good? It's spectacular. The songs are original, right? All original songs.

Interesting. And they're all funny, like laugh out loud funny. And the show is a little bit like, you know, Romantic comedy fairy tale, but it's so smart that you don't care. It's like a good Romantic comedy. You know, I guess I can't have a soft spot for musicals. My like, some of my most formative music was like,

Jesus Christ Superstar, and the patchop boys. So, I feel like, I feel like there's a place in my heart for musicals, but I haven't really made much of an effort. Yeah, I agree with that. My Christmas girlfriend definitely feels like a low effort situation. Oh, yeah, it's low effort, you're in and you're out,

you feel like you watch the sitcom, but it is a musical. So, and you know what, all the best musicals don't feel like you'd have to put in a ton of effort, in know what, all the best musicals don't feel like you'd have to put in a ton of effort, in my opinion. People love Phantom of the Opera. I'm so I cannot get past how much work I have to do as an audience member to know what's going on.

What do you mean, it's very simple, okay? Hold on, let me explain it. No, let me explain it to you, okay? It's very simple, because I, Phantom of the Opera, I pretty much knew by heart when I was younger. Oh, okay. There's this woman who is an opera singer.

I think her name is Christine. She comes to sing at a famous opera in, I don't know, an opera. What do you call an opera crew? What do you call an opera gang? An opera gang? A gang, yeah, it's an opera gang. An opera gang.

That's the Italian and Then there's a guy who lives in the in the in the sewers beneath the opera house who's as you do Disfigured but also has beautiful like tuxedos, I think Capes I'm guessing like he steals them. I don't remember Maybe that comes up and squirrels the moment into the sewer I don't remember, maybe that comes up. And squirrels the moment into the sewer. He's cool, so he looks good just for him. He fashioned some kind of math that covers

the disfigured part of his face. This sounds like Sailor Moon. And then there's a guy who loves Christine, who's part of the opera gang, who's also kind of a cruel bastard, because they always are. And then there's this guy who's in living in the sewer who also falls in love with her.

She's really young though, right? She's like 16. 6.0, 16. I mean, maximum 16. So weird, like the little mermaid is technically 14 in that movie. I have to say I'm fuzzy on actual, on the actual details.

I thought that I'd be able to give you a really clear through line here. The long and short of, it's like a love triangle. But one of the people in the triangle is a mutant who lives in the super speed of the opera, who I think also is a good, amazing opera singer, if I'm not mistaken. Or is that just that he sings?

I remember seeing the show, I know music of the night. Here's the deal, that fucking chandelier crash. That's what the people are paying the buck of the big bucks for, okay? Okay. That's what you want. I have seen Fennel the opera performed live. Yes. I have seen Jesus Christ Superstar twice three times. I've seen both. Jesus Christ Superstar is fucking awesome. It's incredible. No, the music of that is like crazy out there. I mean, I actually have to say like, that music had a heavy influence on my music career and on my taste and music, I think, to some degree. Pretty heavy degree.

I came to it later, but it's one of those things that introduced me both to a take on the Jesus story that I didn't feel like scorned for and a take on that kind of music that I didn't feel scorned for. Right. And it was a moment for me when I was older to be like, oh, I like this, even though both those things aren't, weren't for me previously. Right. I mean, I don't know what I-

Which is big. When I first heard the initial strains of the, I believe, over-chir to Jesus Christ Superstar, I was like, what is this? Yeah. Madness. Well, it's like, what is this madness? Well, it's like when you hear the Star Wars, it's like the first time I remember hearing like any John William score,

it's the same like feeling of like, oh, this is gonna be good. Like, oh, this is gonna be good. I think also another I think of it, I hadn't really thought about it too much, but the, it's very pro-grocky. It is. And I really was, I had a period, you know, years ago where I was really into pro-grock

and crowd rock, which is a very offensive way to describe German rock music from the, it's actually not offensive, it's how it's described, but it's, like, you don't call somebody a crowd because that's offensive. Yeah, well, it's like an oriental rug, you're like, I feel bad saying that, but it says it on the box. Like, that's what it's called. Also, also wise your Oriental rug coming in a box. That's a bad don't that's a bad rug That's a new service. There's an app that sends you a Casper

It's not but they don't they wouldn't call them a new service would call them Oriental Rugs I like talking about services that can be, what can be disrupted? I had a really interesting conversation with an investor recently and they were saying they invest in only investing things that are like, everybody has them, you couldn't name a brand if you tried to. Like sheets, like sheets. I think this guy was an investor in a parachute,

the sheet company that's advertised all over Facebook. I think also we just ordered some of their sheets because of the Facebook advertising is working. It's so good. But it's a good idea. Yeah. And I was trying to think of things that are like,

I was like, oh, like plates and he was like, no, can't ship them. Immediately, like, didn't even wait, a beat, didn't even hesitate. Because like, you know, you're like, what plates do you have? They're from fucking Ikea or something. I literally, like, they were given to us by John's mom,

like, Ida Fowl-Clue. We got some for our, when we got married, because Crane Barrow plates or something, you know? And that's it. Like, we'll have a lot of plates for our own. That's it. But like, so I was disrupting plates. I'd be very excited about it.

Listen. Like, plateletplately.com. No, just plateletplate.ly. I don't want to leak this to your listeners, but I know your new business is disrupting the pyramid scheme. You're gonna rethink the pyramid scheme. For content. You're five wish nine articles.

You get five friends to publish my narrative. So good idea. This is a fuck it. By the way, I'm gonna tell you something. You're joking right now. You take that shit into it. You put that into a fucking 15 slide deck, and you take it into an investor's office,

you have yourself a multi million dollar business. Okay? Okay, where else is broken? In fact, this site should be called pyramid media. Actually, that's a really fucking good idea. We should start pyramid media. We should start pyramid media. And it's like, so wait, so wait, so what's the incentive?

So you write five articles. You write part out. what's the incentive? So you write five articles. You write five articles. And then you get your friends to write five articles. And then you all get what you share in the proceeds of all 10 of the articles. Yeah, you make a micro-paint. I love this already. I think this is basically what the Odyssey Online is doing

in some way, but under their pitches, is that written by like AI? It looks like it's written by AI. It reads like it's written by, I actually, and whenever I'm talking about the problems with content now, which I'm often talking about, I direct people to the recently majorly funded

Odyssey Online, which is the single worst publication that has ever existed on the internet. It actually makes this Yahoo movies. In fact, this Yahoo movies thing that I was reading that has completely broken English and it doesn't read like a human being wrote it is an Odyssey Online level article. I actually keep a tab open in my phone

of an Odyssey Online article. The Odyssey Online, let me quickly explain, is a project started by some young, some whipper snapper. It is, here's how it works. So they just raised $25 million, which is so much fucking money. That's insane. Okay, here's how it works.

College students, they have 10,000 contributors from colleges. College students write an article about something they're interested in. They don't get paid. They get to bask in the promotion of their story on a website. It's good for your resume or whatever.

And then they have three editors that look over every story that goes live. Wait, isn't this basically like thought? How do I? Sorry, I have to read this. I have to read this. This Prince post that is the one that I keep showing people. I keep a tab open in my phone so I can read this article from the Odyssey Online.

Here's that URL is the audacionline.com slash arrest-peace-prince. RIP prints, the legend has passed. I'm going to read this to you now by Alexandria Savage, who may or may or may not be an actual person. She is one follower. Many people are grieving due to Prince dying this past week in Minneapolis, Minnesota. On April 15th, Prince had a close call on his plane where it had to be emergency, where it had to be emergency landed due to him being unconscious and then rushed to the hospital.

The University of Minnesota is even thinking about awarding prints with an honorary doctorate and we're considering this even before his death. People are still mourning and creating memorials for him. There are many rumors going around about a possible drug overdose despite his previous anti-drug comments. He apparently suffered from severe stage fright and in order to cope with that, he used Dilly you did and offentanil. According to a different publication,

he overdosed three editors, three editors saw this. He overdosed on these medications. Also according to different publications, there is no known will. According to NBC News, he has one full sister and she stated that there is no known will. She filled out the paperwork to administer of his estate. And I can keep going to K spelling TK content TK. I'm sorry. This thing it is a fucking insane to me. And these these youngsters

they went into they went into investor and have room somewhere and they said, we are the future of media. Give us 25 million, 25 million dollars to make more of this. And then it's somebody was like, okay. Yeah, yeah, it sounds right to me. Let's go to market on this. Which is why your idea is perfect. What are you gonna call this?

The Odyssey, excellent. Odyssey Online. Here's what they, hi, we're Odyssey. We are a content platform. The Discoverers. Excellent. Odyssey Online. Here's where they, hi, we're Odyssey. We are a content platform. The Discoverers and Chairs are chorus of Millennial Voices on topics that matter most to you. Odyssey enables content to find its most relevant audience organically. Wow, let me get

started with this. I can log in with Facebook. Alright, let's just try it out. Let's see what happens. What kind of information do they want from me? I'm going to give them, I'm gonna give them no, almost no information. They want from me? I'm going to give them, I'm going to give them no, almost no information. They want every, by the way, they take every piece of information they can get.

All right, I'm going to get in here. So what's the hope here that they share those articles with their friends and something like that? They want to use, I'm already done. They want me to create a username out. Sorry guys. Let me learn more about this. Anyhow, the point is, the point is

that the thing you just described, which is a pyramid scheme, is what this thing is. Oh, now they say they have 12,000 content creators. This basically is the culmination of everything that's wrong with media. Well, it takes the idea of like an intern who you don't pay anything to do your, like we were talking about with Alex, you don't do like, pay anything to do your... Like, we were talking about with Alex,

you don't do anything to do, you know, your transcription or whatever else. It's like, and a lot of people are okay with that with in-media companies, because they're like, it's a plus job, you should have to earn it. But this takes that to another degree, which is people are coming out of college

so desperate to get a spot in the new media, and they're like, well, will you do the full job of a content creator for free? We don't care about the quality. and they're like, well, will you do the full job of a content creator for free? We don't care about the quality. And they're making money on that. It just kind of seems a little sick to me. Like it's like when those people go on Shark Tank and they're like, how do you make these?

They're like, we get veterans to do it and pay them a bucket hour. And everyone's like, innovative. It's like, no, that's slave labor. Here's somewhat somebody wrote about it on, oh, one of the guys thing I've ever done. Anyway, how do we get on the topic? We're talking about your great idea, which is Pyramid.com.

Pyramid.ly. Pyramid.ly. What was the most exciting thing that you've seen since Buzzfeed? Oh, God. You know what? I just want to have her. I'm out. I'm out.

I'm not gonna keep talking about it. I've now driven traffic to them, which is the worst thing I've ever done. Anyway, how do we get on the topic? Oh, because we're talking about your great idea, which is pyramid.com. Pyramid.ly. Pyramid.ly won't be good. What's a good, funny, Q way to say pyramid? I would say Egypt.Jews. No, that's, can you get .Jews? I don't think that's something you can do.

You can make up top levels of names. Domains now, right? I can't, yeah. I don't know. I think you can. Google said that you could. There's like that coconut stuff now. I could go for a coke right now. I'm so thirsty. I had a very salty dinner. Yeah, this is great. This is high-end Conversation. This is what people pay though. This is what people are paying the high Dollars that they pay to get to this podcast. Listen, you told me, you told me this would be good for my resume. And if I could get nine friends to produce five, you're gonna get so many shares once this hits our front page.

You don't even understand. Anyway, is there anything you feel like you needed to share with our audience that you haven't shared? Well, for a cell, we should tell people you're gay. I am an avowed homosexual. We talked about that plenty of times on the point, yeah. You know what?

I hate when you're with somebody and they bring up the whatever thing about themselves over and over and over again. And you know, I think I hate that because that also is me. Do you do that? I don't know. I see everything kind of,

I am like the 2016 version of that comic who's like black people be like or like women be like, I'm like that but I'm, black people be like, or like women be like, I'm like that, but I'm like gay people be like, straight people be like, and I don't know how to turn it off. No, it's okay. Look, there's crazy differences between gay people and straight people.

Like gay people are into people of the same sex. Okay. Straight people are into people of the opposite. Oh my God. Boom. Give them a half an hour on comedy. Stray people are into people of the opposite. Oh my god Give them a half an hour on comedy. I'm a Scientist. I'm a comedian. It's all coming together, you know, it's like you're the over of a very lucrative pyramid scheme very lucrative Pure midly here's how it works you write five articles You get your friends to write five articles each you take a share of their proceeds

They take a share of the proceeds of the people who write five articles for them, and so on and so forth until everybody is a fucking rich. You are going to be get the title of editor within a year. I'm sorry. This is a fucking good idea. I mean, it's good in the way that good with quotes, with quotes around. No, it's effective. It's evil, but it's effective.

I mean, it's kind of like, how come somebody hasn't just done a straight up pyramid scheme exactly like the one we described for content? Because it's like, in some way, it's got a better, better, better, that those two. I have though. Like I was writing for Thawke catalog,

I did under pseudonym, you can't find those articles. I realized that I was one of the only people getting paid and it was so that they would have something to say, look, we have quality articles, but they publish everything else. And really their content stream was like, if 50 of your friends click on your personal essay about how you didn't go to Paris,

we can pay for everything else or whatever. It was the thinking. Right. And then they had a few 10 pull writers prop them up with like more quality stuff. Yeah, yeah I guess you're right. I guess the Ponzi scheme is out there. Oh, he's Ponzi. Ponzi and Ponzi and pyramid the same are different Different Ponzi scheme you you take money from one person and make it look like profits to the other and you just keep taking more money

Oh, that's a good. That's good too. Can we build a few pieces around that? That's actually really good. that's right, I forgot. I forgot how Ponzi, I forgot that's how Ponzi came for. That's really good, how can we turn that into a media business or a content business? So, in order to download one podcast, you get the other one as a backdoor pilot, and then those listens get double counted.

Oh. Oh. Oh. This is something. Yeah. This is something. Yeah. This is something. Could we combine the pyramid and the Ponzi themes somehow? All right.

So if you make, okay, yes, you make a show or branded content that backdoors in five friends branded content, then they have to get five friends in order to cut off the profits that from those ones. And it keeps building out until everyone on earth has a podcast and is an editor at Pyramid.way. What if it was like something like you can pay for higher placement to a bigger audience? Okay. It's the Pyramid's game, okay, just the way it is, but you can take some of your...

Medium with micro transactions. You can take some of your earnings, and but no, but also pay to get better placement. That's more exposure. And you can kind of like, there's like almost a stock market where you can play your content against other pieces of content, everybody's playing their content. And so there's like, you get these micro payments because of your, you know, your pyramid scheme,

but then you can reinvest some of the micropayments into your placement game Which is like will literally be like a Electronic trading game. Oh, so we gamify we're gamifying and at the end of the month the top three earners Win and they get a ribbon on their profile showing that they're a top earner. And they get a like a payout. Yeah. Well, you get a small pal. You get like when you did those dorded or candy sales as a kid, you get like, you know, like pugs or whatever.

Right. And so, so by the way, this is very good. And so there is, this is where gamifying the news. Gamifying. Where gamifying we have have we've got a huge-grow strategy and then the monetization strategy which is just killer. Ponzi pyramid and pyramid.ly slash pons. I like this. I think this is great. I feel like we've you know we should call it

No, we'll have to workshop the name off line. Oh, and by the way most of the things that you write you get a bonus transaction If they're sponsored content so if you write a particle about how good Pepsi is you get a boost Right, I would think that on the market there would be an opportunity to be able to like you could bid towards certain Sponsorships that would get higher placement because their higher value the overall organization There's something here Which is which is totally awful. Evil. I would say you're basically bad for the world. Very bad, but also I think could be a huge business. I mean, we would do great. Here's what I want to say. I'm working on something. It has nothing to do with this. The thing that we just described. Less evil. Way less evil. Way, way less evil.

But if someone wants to, as a side project, get together with me and work on. And me, don't come out of this deal. This is starting already. Well, Ryan, you're contributing to my pyramid obviously. There can only be one top of the pyramid. Well, you're already part of the pyramid, right? I'm the pinnacle of the pyramid again. You're like layer. You're the layer just beneath all right holding the pinnacle up You know what though? I'll be the was in the end. I'm the hero of the people. Yeah, that's cool

He's fucking rich too, so don't worry about it. It'll work out. No, no I'm like at my set. You're right. You're right. You're right. We are co-founders in this business, okay? Ryan and I are looking for a team. We're right, you're right. We are co-founders in this business, okay? Ryan and I are looking for a team. We're putting together a team to build the ultimate pyramid slash Ponzi, slash gamify scheme for content creator. For branded content creator.

For branded. Well, branded and non branded, which, you know, there's value. We can get value in a personalized. But if you can mention, if you can mention Audible in that person, let's say good for everybody. Very good, especially since Audible is one of our, one of our premium sponsors and you get extra points added to your, uh,

scorecard for working with them. Yes. And the you get a free audiobook occasionally if we can work on it. And you get a free audiobook. All right, I think it's a good place to leave Ryan. This has actually been, uh, not actually. I'm like, wow, I think it's a good place to leave it. Ryan, this has actually been, not actually. I'm like, wow, I'm so surprised. This was entertaining.

This was a lot of fun. I've really enjoyed it. I've learned a lot about you. I now know, well, actually, I still, there's still a lot I don't know about. Well, then you got to wait for the sequel. Well, obviously, obviously, it's going to be a second one, but we've learned some important things.

That goes busters too. What do you think about the new ghost busters really quickly? I'm gonna be there day one. I'm not saying it's a great movie, but I think it's awesome that they're making it. And it's gonna be better than most of the other shitty movies that come in. Can I throw my theory out to you? Sure. So you know in the trailer, there's like something's causing the ectoplasm to spike or something

like that. It's like somebody's releasing actual plasm to spike or something like that. Or it's like, somebody's releasing all these ghosts or some shit like that. Yeah. I think Dan Accroyd's the bad guy in the movie. They just blow your fucking mind. Either Dan Accroyd or Bill Murray, I think this is going to be on the timeline, right? Like they're like, it's like all the ghosts have been gone for a long time and then the new Ghostbusters show up because like suddenly there's a lot of ghosts and it's like where are all these ghosts coming from? Wow

And it's like one of the old Ghostbusters somehow is behind it. Anyhow, I'm just throwing that out there. I can be wrong I don't know. I'm just totally speculating. I have no evidence to support this whatsoever. Well the week it comes out. We'll either open the show with applause or we'll open it with booze depending on how it worked out. Wow. Well, you'll have to go see it because I'm honestly I'm probably not going to. I'll see a lot of work. It takes a lot to get me to a theater these days. I've not worked out. Well, you'll have to go see it because I'm honestly I'm probably not going to. Well, I'll see it in the workbook. It takes a lot to get me to a theater these days, as you will know.

You don't want to pay $27 for just popcorn alone? I don't, it's not the cost, okay? It's the audience. Yeah. It's the, it's the, it's the bed bugs too. Like the theaters are garbage. I want to fuck that, that's terrible. And I don't want to be, it's like I have full. Like the theaters are garbage. I want to fuck that. That's terrible.

And I don't want to be, it's like I have full control over my situation at home. Okay, I've got a pretty sick system. Like do I really need it? Honestly, because it's day one. I pretend that I would like to go to the movies a lot. There's, I probably go three times a year. I saw the new Star Wars film in the theater

on opening day, bucks sort of by accident at like 10 in the morning in Mount Kisco, which is an area of Westchester that is very north of the city. And there's nobody there. And it was awesome. It was fantastic. I love that. It was literally, literally, there were like four people in the room.

How awful is that feeling when nobody's in the theater and you're totally alone? And then one person shuffles in and you're like, it's the same thing, but also this was gonna be mine. Yeah, it's the worst though. But seeing a film in an almost empty theater, oh, there's a ton of things.

There's a ton of things. Because the reality is the only movies I really want to see in a packed theater. I had the best time. I saw Halloween H2O in a packed theater, okay? And I listened, nobody was fucking paying attention. There was some dialogue that you knew to hang on. You were like, wait a second, hold on, hold on,

what's he saying? No, we said that because it didn't matter because nothing that happened, that movie mattered. All the matter was that everybody was having a fucking blast. We were all screaming, we were all screaming at everything that happened. We were yelling when something shocking happened.

Popcorn was being tossed It was like it was like a the Rocky Horror picture. Well, it's like oh that uh Well, that's the best that's the best experience that honestly anything and any sort of thing where that's what a movie That's what a movie theater should be to me where at least when I lived in Sydney There was a theater where you could go and they would serve you the food that was on screen As they were eating it you would eat it right and that was like I was like you're giving me like a value add here or in at night hawk they do Saturday morning cartoons you go watch a cartoon and then there's unlimited cereal oh really that sounds depressing it's like fun I don't know I like

that I don't like the idea of infantilizing adults in that manner. Don't we do that shit enough? I mean, we're already playing video games 24-7. Do we really need to go watch Saturday morning cartoons and eat cereal? You're talking to a man child, right? You know what, it's time for us to get real, okay? We got ISIS breathing down our neck. We got Donald Trump breathing down our neck.

Listen, I think, honestly, I think, how do we not even talk about politics or anything? It's because we have a heated agreement. Yeah, that's the thing. Do you think there's anything in politics that we differ on? No. I mean, I'm like super pro like,

no, I'm just kidding, I'm not a bother. That literally, can I just say something that literally was the joke that I was about to make. It's not a laughing matter. I understand, by the way, I only say, you're as you're cracking up. This is not a time for jokes. No, listen, I understand I am completely,

completely, sympathetic to the pro-life stance. And I think that there are in many cases for me, personally, where I would go, okay, this is a, I'm like, this is a pro life situation for me, right? Yeah. So I totally understand how people feel, I understand why it's so emotional and important to them.

But of course, I'm staunchly pro choice. Well, yeah, I think it's one of those things where it's like, I know what would be right for me in that situation, but I'm not. Which is where we have to move on. You know what, it's kind of, honestly, it's the same thing to me of like, oh, you don't like gay marriage,

then don't marry someone of the same sex. That's not, you're done. Gamer, gay marriage is gay for me. Like, you can make an argument. Prolet, there's some interesting arguments where you can be like, there's some biological arguments to be made where it's like, all right, at what point do we consider

life having truly started? Like, there's some real, there's, there's some philosophical arguments. Yeah, there are some real debates there, right? Game Airdrop is like, oh, your book, your old books, don't do it. What was your reason? You don't, it makes you uncomfortable. It threatens your marriage.

You don't want gay people to have tax breaks. What are the actual reasons? There are no reasons. It's just disliking people. It was like interracial marriage. It was just like that seems icky to me I don't know what what's next will be able to marry animals Oh, people say who don't like yeah, where they say like what's next polyamory and I always feel like yeah Maybe like go for it. I don't I'm not here to tell people what to do our kids are gonna crack the fuck up when they hear

The shit that we are you mountain. Sort of like racism. Like no kid would come to the conclusion of racism. Like no baby would grow up and be like, oh, well these people are obviously beneath us. Without like society. No, of course, I mean, by the way, when you have a kid, you see how everything you do and say, and even the stuff you don't even realize you're doing

is totally absorbed by the little slanges. No, this doesn't come natural, but listen, kids are horrible. When it comes natural. But then it's like, no, this doesn't come natural. But listen, kids are horrible. When it comes natural to them, it's like hitting stuff, throwing stuff, laughing while you're crying. Like that's really, maybe like Zelda would happily, you know, I mean, not really now, but there was a period

where like if somebody was upset, like she would think it was really funny. But like that's just cause, that's just like kids are animals, right? But she's not like, oh, she's like, I hate black people. Like that's, she's not gonna just like, that's just like gonna pop into her head one day. I believe the institution of marriages

between a white man and a white woman. Quit no money. She's not gonna just roll out a bed one day and be like, land marrying men are the only people. Yeah, he wants me letting people the same sex get married. Like it's not gonna happen. Well, if it does, if it does, she's gonna have hell to pay. Unless you're one of those precious people

on social media who's like, my little kid looked up to me and said, why is that man so angry? And I looked at Mr. Trump and her and I said, I don't know, baby. Whatever it is. That's cool. Those are just tweets.

Just tweets. Just or things that say like, well, my little girl looked at Hillary Clinton, looked up to me and said She's the most qualified on foreign policy like nothing Yeah, yeah, I think they did you know kids kids get a lot of reading when you're not around You don't know what she's checking out. You know she's she's looking at talking points talking points memo and Shit like that and the other kids are reading bright bar, you know the reading my low my low y'all anopolis

I gotta be careful what you leave around them. Has a Milo Yon and Opolis. Is that, I don't really know, I think he's uh... He's that hero. He is the worst. I see, here's the thing, I would say he's the worst if I believed that he believed any of the shit that he says. I was like, I'm cold-during. I think it's a 50-day. No, I think, I'm cold-during, I think what's what's what's annoying most annoying about him and what his his followers

I don't think whoever they are whatever complete, you know, ways of human life. They are he Doesn't actually believe the shit that he says says and isn't for real and in any way and is just using Dummies hateful dummiesmies to have a career. Yeah, because it's their point. Like his biggest defense is that he, his biggest defense is that he's full of shit. I'd actually respect him more if I felt

that he believed in any of the garbage that he says. Here's the thing. He is the work. The trolling for me, I think is funnier, interesting, when you're, it's like comedy, when you're punching up. Like when Katie and the topless troll, somebody, there's nothing better on this earth because she always punches so far up.

But when you're just trolling to troll, like Reddit trolls or any of that like MRA troll, gamer game stuff, is it impressive? Sure. But I don't think he's trolling. I just think he's like getting people to pay attention to him because he doesn't have a career otherwise.

Well, yeah. I mean, I would fold that into the same logic. And culture probably that's pretty much true for her as well. I think it's 50-50. I think she genuinely thinks, you know, I can trust corporations more than the government. But I don't think she thinks the widows at 9-11 were really enjoying them as she said.

I can't believe, I can't believe we really let this freedom of speech think out that far. Shouldn't we have a, shouldn't there be limits on free speech? Let's be honest. I love that. The Supreme Court believes that, um, believes that money is freedom of speech, but, um, but go to reporting on Hulk Hogan's sex tape that was leaked to them is

somehow like off the table, how dare you. It's crazy. We have a crazy, I mean, did you watch the filibuster for gun control? No, I watched the whole thing. Okay, so you watch the whole, you watch all 12 hours of it. I mean, it was on in the background from all of that.

So the amazing thing is they're like, a lot of the senators made this point. They're like, look, we have free speech. We have limits on freedom of speech. There are things that you can't do. Like, you can't yell, fire in a crowded theater, which I guess is like, I guess in some ways is a limit on free speech, though. You don't think about it that often.

Well, it's like a freedom of speech, unless it's interrupting with other freedoms. And yeah. And then, you know, of course, apparently there's a heated agreement now that we, yeah, we shouldn't let people who are on the no fly list have guns, which is like, oh, the last two major shootings in the country were people who are on the no fly list. Anyhow, it's like, that's a tough one to agree with. Even the end.

Now, here's, everybody has been the unfortunate situation of agreeing with the NRA, because the NRA is like, yeah, terrorist shouldn't be allowed to have guns. It's like, cool, really guys? Because you weren't saying shit like that for the last 100 years in this country. Well, it's just weird because there's like a signed letter from Ronald Reagan saying like, we need an assault weapons ban.

And then to hear the same people who deify him, you know, like the plague creating president of whatever, he just see those who deify him, you know, like the plague creating president of whatever. He just see those people deify him, but then completely disagree. Like his tax rate under him was higher than it is now. And yet we still have to like burden under their belief of nonsensical thing. And what people don't really realize is that everything good we have is because the 90s, because of the 90s because of the 90s And the 90s what happened in the 90s in regards to the way we thought of I mean honestly like The explosion of the internet like the DIY culture that has like led to the most interesting things in technology on the internet

And like a lot of the progressive thought in action that we've seen over the past you know 30 years 20 20 30 years, is a direct response to Reagan's America, which was a complete fucking apocalyptic nightmare. And like people act like Reagan was, I mean, he was a terrible job at being a president to a country of very diverse people. He was a good president for white people, rich white people who were self-obsessed. It was like that 80s 50s thing. It was like that 80s 50s thing where the pendulum swaying back and forth and the best thing

that came out of the 50s was the 60s. Right, and the best thing about the 80s was the 90s and the 90s paved, the 90s really did pave the path towards everything that is interesting right now. I mean, in every way, I mean, not to say that just because that's the march of time, but you can see these like direct relationships between like Indy Rock and like YouTube.

Oh, absolutely. Well, even scenes, scenes and like, I'm a top block. And blocks, scenes and blocks, yeah, totally. No, 100%. I mean, in so many people, by the way, I know so many people who were like in indie bands or like indie artists or had zines and are now like in media in some way in like significant ways. But even even when you look at comedy and that's something that I think most people don't take a look at the like I do UCB and you know and you take classes which is just upper level theory of comedy.

And you look at how comedy in the 80s was standups, doing very perspective based like, my wife does this, comedy in the 50s was like that, comedy in the 80s is like that. But all of the comedy that we have now, everything good that we think is funny was created by all its rooms in the 90s, or SNL's like new breed of people that came in

from those all its groups, those improv groups, that formed to say that like that hacky bullshit that standups are doing, it, we've come to the conclusion on that. Like we've took that as far as we can, let's do some weird stuff. And that's where people, that, you know, I mean, if you just, if you even just look at like

Maria Bamford's new show, it's because it was so reactionary, those vignettes she was doing were so reactionary, and they had to hit at the right time, and the 2000s were not the right time. But I think now we're in a headspace where we can say like, you can say that we're willing to go somewhere creative with comedy. Like the pendulum swung back from,

I guess what the ultimate conclusion of sitcoms is like the big bang theory or harm at your mother. Well, I mean, is it? I mean, actually, I feel like, I don't wanna give either of those shows. The worst ever sitcom that has come, that has, I think the perfect combination of all of the worst sitcoms is probably two broke girls.

Oh God, I, I've, I've seen like five minute. And then you might as well second week. Second week in a row, we're talking about two broke girls. Well, you should disclose that we are investors in the show too. We should disclose that we, I own 40% stake in two broke girls. No, I've, I've seen five to 10 minute clips of the show and it's, it's just shocking.

Like it's shocking that that makes it to air. I've been in those rooms. That that that that that group of people exists that allows that to happen. It's unbelievable to me. Yeah, I mean, it's really incredible. And also by the way, one of the most popular shows on television, which is how you can arrive at the idea that Trump is a viable candidate in America. I know. I think we forget that what most of the country is is not us. Right.

No, we do. Of course. It's not gay. A gay Jew who does comedy and freelance and wakes up at one in the afternoon. And it's not you, obviously. Oh, you're the Gageu. I get it. Did you just get it now? I did. I did just get it. We got a wrap. We got a wrap.

They all got really good in the last start of the time. I mean, it was a garbage. Every time we say we're going to wrap it up. This is what happens. This is what happens with me all the time. I actually feel like our two is where conversations really get interesting. The first hour is our two is where conversations really get interesting Yeah, the first the first hours is for play. Mm-hmm. You get into it

Well, yeah, you gotta let the weed hit you really do I've been vaping all weekend. So obviously a 100% stone all weekend long Ryan, thanks for doing this of course. I really enjoyed it. We have to begin. We've got to do a sequel. Yes, and And you know like I'll see you very soon because we're going to be recording a bunch more shows together. Yep. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow. And as always, I wish you and your family the very best.

Though I understand that your family has just found this slimer stickers on peach and they're sending you a message right now.