Tomorrow - Episode 63: Conspiring With Sam Biddle

Episode Date: July 26, 2016

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Download the Android Pay app on Google Play or visit city.com slash Android Pay to get started. Android Pay is available for eligible city consumer credit cards and debit cards. My guest today is a good friend and a great man and a wonderful writer and a guy who likes to expose people for the scumbags that they really are. I'm of course talking about Sam Faulkner Biddle currently acting as a technology reporter at the intercept as of two weeks ago. Yeah, it's my second full week. Congratulations. Thank you. Thanks for being here. Of course. So anyhow, so let's talk so

anyhow you were Gawker your valley valley wag six years at most six years I was at gocker media six years at gocker media. That's right. You're one of the Key agitators from valley wag Responsible feels so long ago so that was despicable G-Hods right on Of silly cod valley remember Michael Erington Where how to him nothing Michael Earrington. Yeah, we're out of him. Nothing.

That guy. That's like Alcata and that comparison. I think it was just, that's a go to, that's an easy one to grab for. That's like a bonbon. You know, you just get it in your hand. He likes bonbon. Just pop it in. Errington, yeah, I don't, I don't hear about him.

I mean, I'm sure he's doing well. He's probably got a lot of money. I'm sure. You know, what do you need, what do you need the inner for when you're rich? Right. That's what I don't understand. And I want to talk about this. I want to talk about lot of money. I'm sure. You know, what do you need the inner for when you're rich? Right. That's what I don't understand. And I want to talk about this. I want to talk about the DNC.

Yeah, yeah. In a second. But so anyhow, so you started two weeks ago at the intercept. Two weeks ago. Now, the intercept is known for exposing the global conspiracy that we live in. I guess, I love the intercept. I do.

But there is a vibe to it and certainly the Glenn Greenwald who I exchanged some words with recently. Oh wow, I like him. I like him. He's a great guy. Yeah. But a very, very good, incredible reporter actually. But the intercept is like, have you ever read the book The Biggest Secret by David

Ike? No. I should. It's kind of like an info wars. I think there's some connectivity, but the biggest secret I was introduced to the biggest secret, I, for a very short period of time in 2000 and I want to say 2003, played drums of the band called Weird War, which is insvenonious as band, insvenonious as a, right, right, well known DC punk. I saw him officiate a wedding once.

Yes, right, my brother's wedding. A nation of Ulysses is his band that everybody, of course. And this is some, nobody, nobody's listening knows what I'm fucking talking about. But he is a great guy, an incredible talent. And in the right, I was, I drummed with Weird War his band for a little while. And Michelle, one of the guitar player in the band

had been reading this book, The Biggest Secret. The Biggest Secret talks about it. Have I talked about Ryan? Have I talked about this in the podcast before? Yes. Not, I mean, go, go anyway. Geez. Just let them have it. Sorry. It was a fascinating, it was a fascinating, listen, it's like chariots of the gods. It does not stop being amazing.

Do you know the book? Do you know the book? The Biggest Secret. Yeah, that's like one of those lizards juice things, right? It does not stop being amazing. Do you know the book? Do you know the book? The biggest secret? Yeah, that's like one of those lizards juice things, right? No, I kind of, that juice I'm really, I mean, I didn't read the whole thing because it's like a thousand pages.

But it's like about this global, galactic conspiracy, where like there's a race of reptilian shape shifters that rule the, all the world's governments and are connected through like a series of tunnels underneath the planet's surface. It's like all of the conspiracy theories rolled into one sunset.

It's like it actually, it's all true. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's all real, all of it's real. Not just a little, it's not just this thing over there, that thing over there. It's not just a guy who can slide under a doorway, or whatever, you know, the ex files, imagine the ex files, all of the conspiracies were connected

that all of the villains were real, like really like incahue to the other. And he also, it sounds great. Yeah, it's kind of like nightfail, but it's much more serious. But serious, more structured. And so like Bill Clinton, you know, actually Bill Clinton, I think he's like one of the,

he's like a weird, he's not a traditional blue blood, and he kind of broke up the blood line of that particular. See a lizard. But there's stories, yeah, he's a loser person, and there's stories about him and George W. Bush are having like black sex magic rituals with like children. Oh, that's another thing. And this is the intercept to you. They use no.

No, hold on, I'm going to come back. I'm going to bring it back around. No, but it's like, it's like, it's an incredible read. It's like, but I do, but so on the intercept, I'm not saying this is what it reads at all. But there is a feeling, and especially when I, because I follow Glenn on Twitter, and I do feel like I'm trying to track

like where the conspiracy ends and like where, like what is, but I just don't know where the end of it, like where's the good government? Or the one that's doing right there, yeah? By its innocence? Denmark. Maybe, but also maybe that's just the way it works. Maybe it's like, this is the thing that I don't understand.

Sorry, I'm not even letting you talk. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, oh my God, like it's exposed to the underbelly of, look at these corrupt politician. I'm like, this is fucking politics, man. So it didn't bother you. They're all pieces of shit. I mean, I'm not one of these people's, like they're all pieces of shit, therefore I'm staying home. I'm like, I accept the Hillary Clinton is not like me.

She isn't. She has to do something horrible. She has to climb through a mountain of garbage, and garbage people to try to do some, I'm not saying it's, you know, sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad, but I think everybody in DC, and everybody in politics globally, I mean, politics is not a cool profession,

it's a disgusting profession. It was, shouldn't you know how it's disgusting and exactly how disgusting. No, I think that these people should go off the internet. I think they should get an intranet. Well, right, yeah. There was a just I don't want to hear about it anymore. I accept that they're bad. They're bad. I'm the here's the here's the fucking reality. And maybe you and I disagree on this. Let's hear it. I think there should be privacy. I believe in the need to be one way in private and another way in public. Yeah.

I'm a horrible person at home. I'm only a little bit less horrible out in public. Yeah, I mean, I think it's a very necessary part of human. So do I. I think privacy is important. Yeah, I haven't seen that Twilight Zone episode where the guy can hear everyone's thoughts. I mean, it's probably how. He flips a coin and lands on its edge and it grants him,

Oh, shit. It's a good app. It's a good app. Upside a good up. Upside up. I feel like that. I never do that. Same idea. I think about it all the time. Up. No, I agree. I've got so much to be precise. So like, you know, yeah, do the, do some of the emails bother me? Sure. Do I, did I already? I know these are people who are like when they heard about prison, they're like, you know, of course the government's watching me. Like, there is a limit. I think that the, I think that the, the kind of spine that the NSA engages in and has engaged in is like, it's crosses, that's what I'm talking about.

But these weren't their Gmail accounts. It was they were talking about DNC party business. Yeah, and DNC party business is nasty. Yeah, I'm saying, I think we should know, I think we should know, but I think we should stop being surprised. Well, that's fair. There's a lot of either outrage or faux outrage.

I don't think you had to, you know, gasp and slap your cheeks when you heard it, but you should, I shouldn't say slap your cheeks, that's not horrible. That's what you said. That's what you said. I slapped my cheeks. That's because that's because information makes you horny.

That's the intercepts tagline. That's a really good, I'm sorry, that's a good tagline for the intercept. I am faux makes us harder. I think you don't have to pretend to be surprised, but you should care and maybe be upset, but you can be concerned in a little angry and what do we do about this world?

You know, watch a lot of movies, VR, maybe, escape. It's another way for the NSA to get data on you. You know, but I think that, no, okay, so I do want to type, but the intercept, sorry, getting back to it. There is, it does feel at times, like there's a massive global conspiracy that is unfolding always.

What is it impossible? I think maybe the world view of the intercept is what if things are as bad as you think, right? I mean, do you think- That's the world view of David Ike as well. I mean, you know, not if things are as bad as you think, right? I mean, you keep- That's the world view of David Ike as well. I mean, you know, not lizard people and microwave, but Instagram,

but we haven't got evidence. Once we get our hands on it. Yeah, well, you keep, you know, every time you see a stone overturned, you look under and there's something gross. I mean, Do you find it depressing? Yeah.

Like, the intercept, I think actually just slimmed it back up and- Sure. And not say that I think that it's the big of secret I mean intercept is doing some of the best Independent journalism in the world. So yeah, that's what I wanted to work there They did like the drum papers thing which I think was was weirdly Not given the attention that it deserved. I mean, I think a lot of people noticed it

But it did not get all the attention it deserved. I was like and very emphatic and excited about that like somebody was actually doing serious, absolutely important journalism. And I think there are very few places that do that now, certainly very few that are independent of like a much larger system. Right. They aren't part of the AOL Yahoo Verizon family. So it's hard to know. I mean, you know, I'm sure that like at any rate, but no, but the conspiracy thing does bum me out to just partially because I don't believe that there's that baby conspiracy and because I think people choose to do it, but to have that vast of a conspiracy. Look, does does the intercept or the something that Gawker did, you know, I don't, it doesn't

depress me, it didn't depress me to do that work. It can be bleak, but so's the world, right? I mean, that's why you can look at a store on the intercept and then you can go to YouTube and I have this channel. That would be easy, though you do. Well, not at work, of course, if anyone's listening. No, I have this YouTube channel. I'd love to go to that's just street food

from around the world. So I'll read something of street food. It's just, it'll, that's fucked up. from around the world. So I'll read something street food. It's just straight food Oh, that's fucked up. It'll just be like 30 minutes of someone making like you know potato pancakes in Bangkok or something I'm so hungry. Please don't I know. I'm sorry, but you got you got you can read one depressing article about the world And then you and then you look at that and then you go back and read this is The first day. I'm gonna say it. Yeah, you're describing they put it in one place right? Well, I like the street food one.

No, I agree. Then I have street food coverage on tasty. That's a good question. No, I don't think they do. Tasty doesn't do that. They just like make recipes. Just aerial recipes, yeah. I don't know, I mean, I don't know.

Does it, does it, don't you think the, some of the most important news is depressing news? All of the most important news is depressing news. It's the last time you were like, what great news this is so important. Upwardly, every day. No, what great news? This is so important. Upwardly, every day. No, what is it?

Is there been a good, is there been a positive, a thing that happened that was positive? And you're like, this is important. I was actually trying to think today, if anything good, like if there's been any good developments in 2016. Have you ever come up with anything? No.

Well, I was trying to think of, even if there was a movie that I saw that was good. How the movies are bad. It's bad year for movies. No, it's right. It's really. Stranger things is good. I've heard it's good. You I saw that was good. How the movies are bad. It's bad year for movies. No, right, it's really. It's a change of things is good. I've heard it's good.

You haven't watched it yet. No, I haven't watched it. I was actually gonna watch it tonight. I haven't watched it yet. I watched the pilot, but I was more involved with Bojack Horseman this weekend. I don't know why, why? There's one I can't get involved.

Bojack Horseman doesn't do anything. I've tried. Oh my god. I know I'm in the minority. Everyone else loves it. I've never felt... There's a lot of payoff with Bojack. It takes like a season for you to be like,

wow, that whole thing. This is gonna sound really obnoxious, but I don't like watching cartoons. I feel like adults shouldn't watch cartoons. Come on, Rick and Morty. I never watched it. Besides Rick and Morty, I watched The Simpsons, of course. You still watch it?

Yeah. That's good. No, no, no, not the new ones. I'll watch the classics. Yeah, I'll watch the classics. You should watch Rick and Morty, man. That's an amazing No, no, no, not the new ones. I'll watch the classics. Yeah, watch the classics. You should watch Rick and Marty, man. That's an amazing. Do you watch Rick and Marty? Oh, slip. Slipper. It's not a slippery. I don't know. I don't get adult swim. There's in the internet. Do you get Hulu? Yeah, I do. It's on Hulu.

All right. No excuse. There's no, you're not going to get around this by. I can't see drawn thing. I just only process. Rick and Morty's not that show that takes a season for you to be like, wow, this is mind blowing. You spend five minutes there and you're like, all right, I had a good time. I'll do it tonight for you. You don't do whatever you want. I want you to feel good anyhow.

So you, so Gawker, you had a very tumultuous career at Gawker. A lot of stuff went up. Yeah, everyone did. A lot of, yeah, no one leaves Gawker and it's like, you know what I feel very relaxed. It was all very chill, but um, but shit's all fucked up now gocharn You got yeah just the time. Speaking of things that suppress me it makes me really it should make I think anyone sad even if you didn't like gocharn that much to think that one of the few Companies that was able to support itself independently is now

Not gonna be that way anymore. I think and I've talked few companies that was able to support itself independently is now not going to be that way anymore. I think, and I've talked about this a bunch of times, so I don't want to bore anybody with it, but it's like I have certainly plenty of problems with Gauker, plenty of complaints. It is a huge bummer and totally awful that Peter Teal, using whatever fucked up gross behind the scenes machinations he's used has been able to You know look for all of it for all the bad stuff. There are lots and lots there are so many good things And also it's just like you know what we need agitators. Yeah, we need people to be agitated. We need people who are not going to do I mean we need somebody who's aunt who's going to fix like the

Smoke screen of Fox News. We need somebody who's aunt who's going to fix like the smoke screen of Fox news. We need people who won't agree to show quotes to Mark Zuckerberg before they I don't know what I'm gonna be right under view with him. You had to be on some altercation on the internet. I don't know, I don't understand that. There's a lot of parts of that I don't understand. Should we talk about that? I don't care.

That's just messy. You and me live. You and me live. You and me live. You and of, are like mortal enemies. I don't, I mean, I just let it, let me just let it stay. Let me just let it stay. Sure.

I mean, now it's like so complicated. I'm trying to think of how the story started. It's such a minor like Twitter, it's like a Twitter battle. Yeah, but it was, it was, there was an interesting larger story. I was talking to another reporter that I was having cause with a reporter. Yeah.

And then he was like, oh Sam and Neelah are going at it on on Twitter. I'm like all right. It's better be good It wasn't I got I used we've had better pretty standard anyhow. What happened? I don't know Matt Hone and tweeted so I can't believe what fucking talking about this. I'm saying these words out loud Twitter The show Matt Hone and remember there was a thing where Twitter was gonna be a show a few years ago It's a glee they signed a deal to make a TV show and do it. What happened to it? Ship my dad's Twitter, it says. Yeah.

Oh, wait a second. Ship my dad says that was a show, right? Yeah. It was a show. It was off for six episodes. That was a game, man. It was off for six seconds. Yeah.

What's cavemen? That show that they based on that. The guy goes, the guy goes, oh crap. I totally forgot about that. Network television. Ship my dad says that was like an early Twitter success story. I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go, I go-fell today. Exactly. Time-fell today, I think, was the hackiest thing of all time. But that guy got a show, I think, was canceled. Really? Is a sign fell today?

No, it was, but he was hired on the strengths of that account. Yeah, I worked with him. He was really nice, and he's funny, but he's been on a bunch of shows. He's got a list of credits. Because of Time-fell today? Because it appeals to a certain kind of humor that he's been on a bunch of shows. He's got like a list of credits. Because of Signs All Today. Because it appeals to a certain kind of humor that he's really good at and that CBS. It does appeal to a certain kind of humor.

Wow. CBS, make a sign on. The operative, where they're there. Does he work on two-bro girls? I love that show. No, he doesn't. Do you? No, but he, no good human being could like two-bro girls

because it is the most odious show. Someone said it was re, ever that it was Reese's fucking right, so. But I mean, it'd be Reese made it so, it's trumps. It's trumps, it's trumps, it is the perfect show for Trump's America. I've never watched it, but it's like, the Asian guy has a funny Asian voice,

and it is good at math. And you know, it's like all of the, there's like a Mexican, you know, cook whose real Mexican seeming, you know, I mean, it's like, the way it just is mainly talk about like tips and boobs. I've got big boobs, like my boobs. I mean, it is, sure. It is, first of all, mean, it's like, the way it just is mainly talk about like tips and boobs. I've got big boobs, like my boobs. I mean, it is, it is, first of all,

I think it's the number one show in America. Right, is that right? One of them. On television. On television. That's big bang theory, your face. Bold media. I love big bang theory, that's great.

I know you're a big bang head. No, I don't think that's the worst call. You know my big bang theory thing, right? Your big bang theory theory. Like how it started? No. I was like, I'm gonna watch a big bang theory, right? You're big bang theory theory. Like how it started? No. I was like, I'm gonna watch a big bang theory. Like as a fake threat to Laura.

That's like a good threat. And I was like, let's watch the first few episodes. And then I was like, all right, let's watch all of it. Which you do like the big, not really. No, I think it's terrible. But we watch like seven seasons. You got trapped. He kind of, it was like, I wanna see what happens with Leonard

and whoever the other character is. Like his sheldon is shelden gonna have sex? Poor Laura. Poor Laura. You need to enjoy it. You can't touch it. Laura is reading. She was reading.

She doesn't watch anything we watch. We were watching Stranger, the climax of Stranger, things last night, which is an intense show. I'm not gonna say anything, but she's like, get back to Nila. She was like reading her book. We were talking about this. Matt Hohnen.

Matt Hohnen. This is such a dumb Twitter. We don't have to talk about it. This is dumb Twitter drama now.. We were talking about this. Matt Hohnen. Matt Hohnen, this is such a dumb Twitter. We don't have to talk about it. We don't have to talk about it. We just dumbed Twitter drawing now, and I'm gonna talk about it. Matt Hohnen, I came to this by the way, I was like alerted to it late in the game,

so I wasn't paying attention to that. You were better things to do. I was busy making shit. And so, and so, and so. Matt Hohnen tweeted something, I guess, about we were offered an interview with a big executive and we passed because they wanted to quote approval.

And then I don't actually know what happened next. Can you give me a fill in the blank here? I mean, I saw that tweet and I thought, I'm mad honing, and I thought, well, that's gross. I mean, you know, I was like, I wonder where it's going to show off. Yeah, yeah, and I was like, I'm wondering the same thing. And because, you know, to agree to do an interview on the condition that you have to screen quotes. Well, okay, so he's in simulation when somebody else took the story. Right.

And I mean, yeah, say that. So, yes, to the quote, approve. I mean, his tweet was kind of loaded. And then, I think this is what happened. And I don't know because I literally got it all like for the fact the verge did a story Yeah, with an interview with Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah, and then and then Melee or Casey said we don't do quote-a-per-room. I don't want to say something We didn't do I when I was at the verge when I was running it. Yeah, we didn't do quote-a-per-room

Right, and so presumably I mean we would never have done it right so presumably that policy is still in place I'm not I don't know. Well, the funny thing to me was that, no one accused them of doing it. That is, I'm not gonna say that's not, to preemptively say it, but I also understand if it seemed like Matt was being

specifically focusing on those guys. He didn't say anything. It would be like if someone had treated like, oh, I just found a dead body under the Williamsburg Bridge and I treated it wasn't me, just in case anyone's wondering, I didn't kill that girl. I didn't kill that girl.

I didn't kill that girl. You know, I didn't kill that red head. I don't. It was a weird thing getting in. No, I don't know, and I don't know, but they said they didn't do quote approval. Sure, what? Then there you go.

And I don't see, I don't see, of course, how do you handle doing quote approval in public, you know? Well, also no one's gonna say they did it. I don't, you know, I just like to, I'm just telling you that the policy was that we didn't, I believe you, you know, thank you for that. I appreciate it.

I'm on your show, I believe. We pissed off a lot of people. I mean, we were very annoying to people. My goal is to be very annoying to people, basically. And so at the verge, I thought we were very annoying to them. I don't think anyone should, if you do a profile or an interview with Mark Zuckerberg or Jeff Bezos or whatever,

they should never be fully pleased with what you publish. I don't even know how that would go down. What does that you give them a transcript or something? Yeah. And they can just cross things out or give it an up down. It seems like a completely insane practice. Well, that's a public relations move,

not a lot of work. do know that Facebook has a is Sensitive about that stuff. I feel like there was a they have like a seal team six PR Squat I mean you know all the largest yeah, but Facebook's more than anyone's I mean, I don't know what your I mean my experience is that if you ever worked with certain people at Apple Facebook seem like a fucking walk in the park. That's true. Apple is Apple is Apple. I mean, I work with people at Apple that were like, I was like near tears and trying to deal with them over things. They were so insane and awful and twisted.

Facebook is the only company where one of their, we'll see, I work, when I was like, is Moto Apple, when you even talk to us? So, and you guys fix that right up. Right. Getting that phone and Brian. So we didn't. Brian me like, right, right me a thing. We didn't, you got that whole situation out of the way.

Sure. Right. So I never had to deal with Apple, but I had to deal with Facebook. And they were the only people, someone who worked there called me just to yell at me, which, you know, which I've had that. I'm sure you have. I'm sure you have. I remember I got yelled at by somebody from L, much smaller, but LG.

About what? We gave their phone a bad review. Oh my god. And they're like, we gave you guys this review, you and it. And I was like, listen, I hear you. I totally understand. One, you should make better phones. That's the first thing you should do.

I'm like, we're with love to give you guys a great review. You miss gadget blogging. I miss it sometimes too. A little bit. But also gadgets are like. A little bit, a little bit. But also gadgets are like, gadgets are just so like commodity. They're just nothing special about them right now. But what if they were good again?

No, they could be good again. Right, and they're good again. Gadgets great again. Yeah, yeah. Trump is gonna fix this shit. He's gonna get American gadgets going. I would love that. When they were good, they were so good.

But it was like, look, I mean, the thing about it is, like there's been, there's been, it was this explosion, and we had this incredible period of like 10 years of like hyper innovation. And now we're in a valley. It's peaks and valleys, just like all the best trans records.

And so, you know, it's all about like, it's all about the build up. Yeah. You know, we got a build up again. You don't wanna, you look, you can only, the excess healing lasts for so long. Okay. I actually have this like,

this is an incredible metaphor. I have this great, you can find theory about like all things in life, which is it's kind of like being at a rave on ecstasy. Yeah. And like, you know, how many buildups, like the drug has a shelf life in your body. And the buildups,

I mean, you can only hear so many buildups before you're like, I know it's coming, it's not working anymore. And when you combine those two things as it's a powerful experience and powerful discipline. So what is the LG smartphone in this metaphor? It was just like a record that wasn't that interesting. It was like a record that like, it didn't suck, but like, I don't remember it. No, I wasn't like, what's the name of this record?

I got a copy of this when I go home. Anyhow, so, but I was like, listen, the fucking only reason that the only reason anybody even would read the review of the LG phone is if we're honest about it, it doesn't do anybody any good for us to believe, this is great. Like, who would it be good for? For them, I guess it'd be good. The problem with, at the time when the problem being a gadget writer was that the truth was just get an iPhone, but you couldn't just say that, you know?

I think it was said pretty strong. But you still had to review all the phones that you obviously weren't going to tell anyone to get. But on the flip side, I can still make an argument for a good Android phone. I can still say that. Sure. Yeah, you know, but there should be just the one good now, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, I can definitely make the argument that getting the new Samsung Or the many new phones is about as good as in all the windows phones. I reviewed like no No one was ever gonna get that poor windows. Yeah, they try what were they gonna do? They had to try They can't just be like they can't just be like we're not gonna even get in here. They could have But then what would they have been doing? Mobile is the future. More Xboxes. They could have focused on VR. Yeah, they could have been the thing out there. The next thing out there. Like the Connect. Other Bluetooth keyboards.

Which they've just had options. Yeah. Anyhow, back to the intercept. Sure. What we're going to talk about the DNC emails. DNC emails. And before we get into that, I want to take a quick break. Sure.

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He was a Pando Daily. Sounds familiar. Pando Daily founder. What? Right? Is that a thing? Is that a person? Yeah, yeah, I know.

He used to, you guys had a lot. He was a guy. He was a guy. He was argued a lot. Speaking of Twitter battles. Yeah. Didn't you argue with him a lot? Well, so here's something here's something funny. We, we, yeah, we used to and then and then it was such a waste of time that we everyone at Gauk are agreed that we were going to stop responding to him just

because it was it was unbecoming. Right. And then but we kept a running list of how many times he would tweet at us angrily without a reply. And I kept it in a list, because at one point we were going to publish it on the alleyway, just him having a conversation with himself, basically. It was just dozens and dozens of tweets of this angry, little British guy yelling into the void. Well, we were talking about this before,

but I feel like he was a kind of proto-Nero. He could have become Neuro. He was never a bigger. I mean, he was, I think he's an asshole, but he was never like a real British guy. I'm not sure, but he was never toxic. He was never toxic, but he was never racist. No, he was never racist.

He was never a homophobic or an Islamophobic. He was just a prick, but he wasn't, you know. But let's talk about, you know, I can't remember his name, my mind, my only own applet. Sure, yeah. I literally, here's how fast Nero is fading. I could not remember his name. The best part is that you can't read his angry tweets

because they don't exist. Yeah. We should talk about this actually. This is right here, real house. Yeah, kind of, sure. Nero got banned from Twitter. I said we're gonna talk about DNC emails, yeah, yeah, kind of. Sure. Nero got banned from Twitter. I said, we're going to talk about DNC emails. We'll get to that after.

Nero got banned from Twitter for being racist. And for sicking his racist followers on Twitter. For weaponizing his followers. And for doing it for the hundredth time, not just this. Yeah, he's been, he's been, he's been lost verification. Right. Like, he'd been told several times school it. Yeah, but here's the thing that is most

egregious to me about the whole uh, Nero story. I mentioned this before we started recording. There was an article above speed row. I hate when people I hate when people's narratives become like they shape their narrative in this way that is totally untrue and it becomes lazy reporters or just people who don't care report that as like that's their narrative in this way that is totally untrue and it becomes lazy reporters or just people who don't care report that as like that's the narrative right here's the thing to remember about my Lillian and Apollos or however you pronounce his name first of he was a normal person at one point for most of his life I interact I interact with him he was a dick, but he was in the normal. He was a normal, so are you. That's right, I'm still horrible.

But he was a normal dick. Like a guy that was like, that guy's fucking annoying, but he's just a person. And he ran a site in England, in London, I assume he was in London. Called the Colonel. The Colonel was like, it kind of came, it was like post-verge. It was like a new, yeah, pretty sure. It was like a new kind of like new stab at like tech reporting. Sort of like the daily dot,

I mean, we'll get to that later, but it was like the daily dot before the daily dot. Kind of, yeah, it was like a little churse. It was a little tabloid, it was very British, right? And they only did pictures in black and white. I remember that one of the things, they were just black, white and red. And it was, they just did their photos in black and white. I remember that. One of the things they were just black white and red. And they just did their photos in black and white.

And I was like, this is insane, cause it's the internet. Oh, I was like, why are you doing that? There's an effectations of the internet. Anyway, go on. You mean like black and white? Oh, you don't think Milo Yananopoulos had enough affectations to the internet? Oh, you're making it.

You're making it. That's a good one. He was making it up for it. No, it was actually kind of a stylish looking site. It kind of, I mean, yeah. Kind of like nicely designed. And I remember thinking like, oh, they kind of have a point of view. Right. I didn up for it. No, it was actually kind of a stylish looking site. It kind of, kind of like nicely designed. And I remember thinking like, oh, they kind of have a point of view. I didn't like it.

They weren't very good, but it was like a thing. And then it wasn't a hate pamphlet. It wasn't a hate pamphlet. And then they went out of business because nobody read it. And then, but so this Buzzfeed story read or some story, I don't remember what it was. It was like a kind of a little bit of a bio of him about to him getting banned. And it was like, oh, in 2014, he shut down the colonel and sold it so that he could work a bright part.

And it's like, that's not actually what happened. The colonel went out of business. The colonel went out of business because he sucked at his job. You couldn't pay his writers. Yeah, he couldn't pay his writers. And like, he did a poor job. Then he disappeared for a while. Nero was not around.

There was no colonel. There was no whatever. The colonel's been bought by the Daily Dot. I mean, bought or whatever. They like, they like, they like, we'll take your brand. Exactly. Nothing's happening with the, what's the domain $30?

You're $30. Yeah. I can't imagine it was a very, I don't know, but I can't imagine it was a very lucrative. I don't think so. Nobody's like, oh, they revive the colonel. The legions of fans have been waiting. Yeah.

You know, the colonel grant land, that graveyard of it. Just the fucking historic, great websites that have gone to, gone to anyhow. The point is, it's annoying to me because the narrative is not like he's made this conscious decision. Like, I'm done with it, I'm going to Breitbart. It is what happened.

He like went underground for a while after his business failed and then he reemerged as a character. And the thing that's most annoying about that dude is not that he's not that like he's into hate speech or like six is followers on people. It's that he's a phony. That he doesn't believe it. He is the most disingenuous person on the internet. He's like a like a micro-Trump. Right. Right. No, totally. Actually, I mean, Trump may believe it more because Trump we know is at the very least like a die hard Life long racist and nut. He's definitely not yeah, he's also like a hardcore true racist right like he's so racist That the government like sued him for systemic racism in his business and won like twice

Yeah, and he fought it right like to he wasn't like yeah, you're right, we had some bad practices, we're gonna pay a fine. He was like, no, this is how we do fix. And he helped, but, and he has something linked by Nero. Well, it was a good ring to bad, Rob. Yeah, it was a good ring to me. The most is when he's been described as a provocateur. Like, he's just like a bad boy. Well, honestly, it's because he's gay

and people are like, he's a gay Republican, how he's got the some real brass balls to do that. Luckily, somebody stepped in to take that role. Right. Yeah. Publicly, Peter Tio will get to that as well. But as, probably there's another gay Republican out there.

Oh, thank God. As if a gay guy can't be homophobic and regressive or racist. No, but I think what's interesting is that it's not, I mean, he can be homophobic. I mean, he is, even though he's gay. It's this horrible thing's about gay people. But I think he's one of those people that also thinks, like I think there are people who's like,

oh, I'm a minority, so it gives me license to fuck with other minorities. I can talk shit about women. Right, no, he's a completely insanely, you know, insane misogynist. And it's like, yeah, that doesn't work. But here's the important, the important thing getting back to it is that. And there's a great piece who wrote this piece on medium about him. Her name is K. Oh, from today. It's like two days ago. Yeah, it was some childhood friend of his. Are they childhood friends? Well, she said that they had known each

other when they were 13 and 14. Oh, did I miss that part? When listen, talking about some other... Are you sure another piece? This was a woman who, when she was a girl, but she's a writer, she went to a party at the RNC. Oh, these are two different things. Two different stories. There was a new one. Oh, I've ever read that one.

Like a childhood friend. What's the other one? You know, I looked at it in passing, but someone who used to know him saying, doesn't refer to him by name, but their photo is of the two of them. And it says, I can't believe what you've become and I miss my friend like you.

Wow. It's so sad. You know it. So we should make a movie out of his life but not give him any money or credit for it because he doesn't deserve it. But it's an interesting, it is sad. But like this by the way, the internet, it breeds this kind of like these characters that are performative, they are only performative.

Like we live in a world where the performance is now indistinguishable from the reality of it. And that's a place where no amount of like privacy invasion fixes it. Like we've become, we know, but we have become numb, even if you're like, there's an email from Milo being like, oh, I don't believe any of this stuff. Well, what could he say in private that would be worse

than what he says in public? Oh, I can think of things. But actually, but will he be worse for his followers? No. So what he says in private is probably way more liberal, way more normal. He used to write about how he hated gamers and thought they were disgusting,

and like they were like dirty and blah, blah, blah, and then the minute gamer gave him positive attention. He was like, you know what I've changed my mind about gamers? They really, because they were disgusting and like they were like dirty and blah blah blah. And then the minute gamer gave him positive attention. He was like, you know what I've changed my mind about gamers. They really, because they were saying that when he was like, we're starting Breitbart Tech and then people were like, what kind of PC do you have? And he's like, well, I guess I got to figure out more of this tech stuff. Like he didn't know anything about peace, which is funny.

Like fucking noob. He won't be joining my overwatch plan. Is that a thing? Or watch plan is that what you call them? You know it's a thing. I don't know. my overwatch plan. Is that a big build or watch plan? Is that what you call them? You know it's a thing. I don't know. I played for one hour yesterday.

You're a big overwatch player. Yeah. What of it? What's your screen name? What's your handle? I'll play on PlayStation. Yeah. What's your PlayStation there?

I've got a really cool PlayStation. Dude, I want to tell you both. Will you get bombarded by a gamer? It's a spittle. Spittle, spittle. Yeah. I wish I could change it to something. Wait, this is apropos of nothing.

I was playing Overwatch and I encountered the greatest online handle of any kind ever. It was a guy I was playing Overwatch against and his name was anime sign failed and that name has just haunted. I can't stop thinking about where that came from or what I just keep picturing it. It makes sense though. Well sure, but I can see it in my mind's eye. I can see an anime sign-filled.

It all checks out. But it's the greatest gamer tag of all time. So good. Yeah, anyhow, so the RNC have, so where do you get these DNC emails. It's a great sec. Speak of the RNC. Speak of the anime science. No, we were talking about the, um, the one gay Republican. Yeah. I don't, you can't really, previously, Nero, you can't call him a Republican. I mean, Peter Tervative. No, yeah, he's just a sociopath.

That's a political part of it. We're talking about. Well, I. He's just a sociopath. That's a political part, right? Is that what you were talking about? Well, I said, I made a joke earlier that someone is taking the reins from the Neo-conservative, whatever the Neo-Con, gay guy. And Peter Tee, so Peter Tee appears that your arched nemesis, he's, you know, I, I, I feel like

you guys would get along in real life. I'd love to meet him. Was he on drugs? Do we think he was on drugs at the RNC? There's a question I'm absolutely not answering for a whole lot of people. I thought he hated him and I absolutely think he was. Yeah, he seemed kind of fucking hate him.

And he's a little messy. He seemed kind of coked out, right? Coked. You know what I mean? A little Adderall. A little Adderall around the edges. Yeah, a little bit. So does Trump?

Trump apparently spends a lot of time on manphetamines He takes speed doesn't show doesn't you never know by watching him. I don't pick that up at all He's really so much like so much like Hitler. They have so much to call on Except Hitler had plans Trump's just winging it Hitler had concrete policy and could paint Trump camp't we don't know we don't know Bush was amazing Bush was an amazing painter His paintings are actually pretty spectacular. I would love to own one. But anyhow Peter teal

I don't think he's a Republican. I don't know what he is But the word for it the RNC was bizarre right mm-hmm because Peter took came up and he's like, I'm a proud gay man or whatever and people are like, yeah, I'm like, what? You're doing everything you can. You know where you are? To diminish the rights of gay people. Why are you applaud? And maybe this is just like you'll applaud. If you say it loud enough, you'll applaud.

I have a theory. That's theory, theory. I think that, and I was thinking about it because do you remember when Tim Cook announced that they weren't gonna donate donate Apple wasn't gonna donate Laptops the RNC because of Trump you there was some or he wasn't gonna give computeric vaguely there was some vague Tim Cook You know standing up to Trump's story and then you know a couple days later It was announced that

Cook was doing a fundraiser for Paul Ryan for the you know. Oh, yeah, I remember it was like Tim Cook's trying to get behind Paul Ryan. I think that at a certain point, he has more in common with other rich people than he does with anyone else. What is definitely true is that at that level, there is an understanding, I believe this, I'm not at that level, so I could tell you for sure.

I've worked hard every day. American, good old American elbow grease. I think at that level, you're beyond politics. You are, you are, you've decided and you know there's a system, the system is controlled by money. Like money is the motivator. Yeah, it's a system. The system is controlled by money. Right. Like money is the motivator. Yeah. Yeah. Is it like power? People like power is, power is a utility you utilize to get more money.

Yeah. The money can be used to buy things that give you pleasure. Yeah. I think basically like whatever those things are. You know, I think he probably gets off little on being the CEO of the most. Sure. Of course. Of course. Of course. But I don't think, but I think at that point, look, I, I, I remember hearing somebody who's very wealthy, this is a, I'm not going to, I'm not going

to name names, somebody who's very wealthy in the, at least familiar, in the familial sense in the billions of dollars, talk about meeting an odious, I'll tell you what I mean, one of the Koch brothers, who's an odious person, who does odious things. And this person identifies not as a Republican, but as like a Democrat liberal Democrat. They're like, you know, he's actually really funny guy, as a smart guy, really funny and interesting,

made a great time with him at dinner. And my thought was like, you don't, this is beyond, it's not about politics don't matter anymore at this level because everybody's an aunt to you. But you have in common with another person. But you have in common with the things the people you have in things in common with are very rich people. And that's how I that's what I think is going on with Peter Teal. I mean, you know, look for all I know he is very proud to be gay and it was good to see

that. It was good to see him say that on a speech on a on a stage in front of a enormous room of Republicans and it was nice to see them cheer i don't think they don't but what are they cheering for they were cheering for a rich person a rich white guy yeah they were plotting money but i think but i think what's interesting is is well this this is the republican party that just passed a platform that's all about denying equal protection conversion therapy right i think what about denying equal protection. And conversion therapy. Right. But I think what we got to do conversion therapy, that works.

I mean, I'm on the waiting list. Are you kidding me? I'm planning to figure it again. You think so. I gotta girl, I wanna introduce you. Oh. I'm going through conversion therapy. Can't wait.

Just a beautiful, box-a-lady for you. Can't wait to be the most serious. Now the day is the charm of Jesus Christ, a terrible straight man. What a fucking joke. But here's the thing, but like, don't you think the name, the story of Jesus Christ, the horrible straight man. What a fucking joke. But here's the thing, but like, don't you think the Republicans, the people who are the delegates and the voters,

if their leadership was like, hey, you know what, trans people are fine, bat, whatever, with the bathrooms, like abortions, like go get it, whatever, they'd be like, okay. That's a very interesting hypothetical. I don't know.

I don't believe that the electorate is so motivated on these issues that they would be like, no, fuck that. They're gonna be some religious people. Yeah, so much of it comes from people that doesn't fucking matter. In the way the Trump says shit that is clear. A little sure. Let me look at Trump's realm of free trade.

Right, I mean, they've been the Republican, his party's been the party of free trade forever, and now Trump says, you know, I mean, his vice president has an opposing view on trade. On everything, right? Yeah, but it doesn't matter. Of course. They're like, whatever, they don't, the electric doesn't,

I don't know, there's absolutely like, listen, I mean, I've voted Democrat. I think that the platform of the Democrats jibes more with my reality. Same zis. But like Hillary Clinton reality. Hillary Clinton, I want Hillary Clinton to be the next president. Me too. I think that she will be good at it.

I think that she knows what the fuck she's doing. Mm-hmm. This is a great segue by the way to... To the DNC, you know. But do I feel like, and this actually is a good segue, but do I feel like, yeah, do I feel like I'm along for a ride on a thing that not all of it is right, like not all of it I agree with, not all of it. Of course, if I had my choice of the perfect candidate,

would it be Hillary? Right. Maybe not, probably not. I mean, I like how radical Bernie Sanders is. I voted for Bernie in the prime minister. And I think there's a big piece of what he was saying. And by the way, Bernie was an independent before he ran as a Democrat for president.

There's a big piece of what he's saying that's like real. And of course, and I think meaningful. And so what I like a candidate that's more like that. Yeah, but It's like in the reality of things. Yeah There's a platform people stick to it. It's real It makes a lot of sense to me and then there's the Republican platform Which used to be like oh, it's the opposite of everything I believe in now It's like I don't fucking know what but it scares the shit out of me

And so I'm gonna vote for the thing that at least makes some sense. I voted for Bernie in the New York primary. I will be thrilled if and when, God, let's just say when Hillary wins the general election, right? I mean, those are not incompatible. There's the legit, I'm the hatchet of legit plan to move out of this country. And I know people say that, they're like,

I'm leaving your church bush wins. I think something easy like Canada to start. What about something more? Paul laughing. Why why you laugh it? I want to know why sorry Paul the engineer. I want to know why you're laughing That was a loud laugh to get you to laugh I like that then easy start kid. Well, you know, I'm not gonna like move to fucking like Good ombre like John McAfee. That's what I boomers like John McAfee that's what I would do Oh yeah that's where I can get all the good

gacha of salts right John McAfee was he running was he he running he's still running as far as I know is he independent? yeah I guess

so you're ready to do a cyber party oh cyber yeah the cyber party I'm voting for cyber now that she's gonna be like the pirate party and switcher switching my voter where's the pirate of Sweden

Norway Sweden I think they're actually there are a few of them now our DNC emails the pirate party and switch or switching my voter. Where's the pirate of Sweden? Norway? Sweden. Sweden, yeah. I think they're actually there, there are a few of them. Our DNC emails. DNC emails. This is your, this is your territory. It's conspiracy and it's technology.

It's not a conspiracy though. I mean, it's, but there's a conspiratorial nature. Well, I've been accused over the weekend and today of doing the bidding of, uh, Vladimir Putin. So in that sense, there are conspiracy. Yeah, what is this, so there's, there is a narrative here that sense, there are concerns. Yeah, what is this? So there is a narrative here that the hack of the DNC emails is driven by, I can't say,

oh, I wanna say something. WikiLeaks, the organization which released the email. That's it. They were also like, just as for Nero. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, I'm sorry, you're done, you're shit's over now. They're also, they're tweeting anti-Semitism. Yeah, like you had a good run,

that prism stuff or whatever, whatever shit you were doing with Julian and Simon. The cables, yeah. The cables. But now you just fucked up losers who suck. And so I have trouble believing in the concept of WikiLeaks as a, right.

It's like, if you can't see the problem with Nero, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not really, we're not on the same team. No, look, they kicked him off from being gay and Republican. They were a little like Twitter removed Nero of being gay or Republican. Yeah.

Really? Yeah. Is that what you think? So WikiLeaks has run by a 15 year old boy, right? Just to be clear. It is a gay, it's like... The only good thing they ever did was because of Chelsea Manning, not because of Julianna Saun,

just like that's gonna end right there. That's the big, right? They were not involved in the, all this conspiracy theories believe together to one big globe conspiracy, not unlike the biggest secret. There you go. Anyhow, DNC emails.

DNC, well, so I've been, and then everyone at the intercept has, because we were the first to report on these emails from the WikiLeak trove from the DNC. The conspiracy theory goes like this, that Donald Trump is in Cahoots with Putin. Too career disagree with that. I don't fucking know. And neither do the only people who know are Donald Trump. are Donald Trump's Glenn thing. You have to ask Glenn. I don't I think that Glenn thinks it's ridiculous. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think I look there's

no evidence for it. But isn't it in Putin's interest if Donald Trump becomes president? He's it. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think. Wow. I don't think so. View from nowhere right right here. I don't I don't know whether it is i think that there is a pretty weak case trump would be a good or bad president i think he would be i think he's a he's a poopy head and he'd be a bad president what is that thing if i had to guess and i'm guessing here i think he would not i think he's not a yet trump supporter

but no but but we would win and I and and other reporters, the intercept have been accused of reporting these DNC emails at the bidding and be hast of the Kremlin, because it will say because it will hurt and undermine Hillary's chances. That's, that's the conspiracy theory. Well, that's, that's the extreme end of the theory. Then there are people, this is actually a fairly popular non-loonetic opinion that because Russia may or may not be involved in the original hack, we should disregard and ignore what's in the contents of the stolen hack-beliect documents. That's a weird one.

Which I think is fucking shaneful. That's like, don't read this book because it's stolen. Yeah. Actually, that's bad example. Yeah, I don don't know I don't know why I said yeah but they're just it's no but they know why I made the exact that you would that you would look the other way because like yeah but I'm gonna vote for Hillary in the election and but somehow I have an obligation the Democratic Party to not report the news that could embarrass them what's the worst thing that you've seen so far from the DNC hack, the email hack?

The worst thing was, I think there was a thing about using Sanders' religion against him. But it wasn't really about like him being Jewish. All right, you know what, I'm glad you brought this up because when I had treated that they were using his Judaism against him, a lot of people treated them as saying it was about his atheism and that's true, but I do think that there is a trope in this country

about the secular Jew somehow being, that being like an illegitimate religious view, that if you're not a God-fearing Jew, not about Jews, but everybody. But I think that if Sanders said that he were a Lutheran, no one would be like, well, how many times is he going to church? Does he really believe in God? I think that if Sanders said that he were a Lutheran, no one would be like, well, how many times is he going to church? Does he really believe in God? I think that people somehow people are suspicious suspicious in this country of Jews to begin with agree and

And when you not just suspicious well The very least huge amount of anti-subligiate Absolutely, absolutely, but why by the way there are all begins being super into Israel It has always is always perplexing to me. Well, right. It's like, no, you hate Jewish people. Like there's no doubt in my mind. You think Trump's already been highly anti-Semitic, like, in public.

It's like, you think Trump's like, I love Jews. Right. He's like, and he says something in this fucking book. He's like, I want short guys with Yamaha's counting my money. It's like, you're a piece for your pile of garbage. Right. Right. Right, right. In any rate. But so I think, you don't think there's anything

about about America's vision, America's view of Jews where a Jewish man can say, I identify as Jewish and that's not good enough. Well, it's like, look at Obama. Well, exactly. I mean, I think people who are all, people who are already in a bucket for the American masters of being a Diminished and other and other outsider right they are they subject to scrutiny that you and I or not well

Wait, are you your Jewish too? No, my mom's to us. Yeah, I mean I'm on your team Jewish enough. Yeah, juice enough You know, it's like. That'll grow enough of this. Of course, the space. You look at you. Well, I don't know the Jewish class name. The character on Stranger Things have a lot of people have been telling me that it's a fucked up. I know there is a guy on Stranger Things that look exactly like. I'm going to watch this. It's crazy. His name is Steve Harrington. It's his name, which is like the most. Yeah. Anyhow, but uh,

Biddle. Nobody's I'm the last name. Yeah. Anyhow, but, uh, Biddle, nobody's like, I answered Jewish name. Yeah, Biddle, what is that German? English, whatever. Anyhow, the point is, yeah, of course, they're gonna, they're gonna be like, oh, Sanders isn't a real. And that's what I think they were exploiting in that email was we already have like, what's we are, it's like, we're in an awesome and shalt, she's definitely, well, she wasn't on the, she wasn't in the email exchange just like, we're watching a monster in the house. We're watching a monster in the house. We're watching a monster in the house. We're watching a monster in the house. We're watching a monster in the house.

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I can't wait until the conversion. I know I have Jewish Biddle. Yeah. You do it, at least. I like to take it. Okay, so can anybody ever really know anyone? There you go. Anyhow, so, so, okay, so I do think,

but I do think what's interesting is that, I mean, I don't know, I guess on that piece, I think that the atheism part is worse than that. It's the atheism piece. Whichever it is, it was the DNC clearly playing favorites, which is that, you know, which they definitely played favorites. It's, that's not, they shouldn't.

Do you think it would have helped Bernie a lot if they hadn't? I mean, would that one email have made a difference? I think that if they- I know the whole thing. Yeah. Could Bernie be getting out of the nation right now? We'll never, we'll never know, right?

I mean, that's the, yeah. Look, I am, I am. Honestly, I gotta say. I think Hillary probably is a better chance of beating Trump than Bernie. So in that sense, great. What do you think about the Bloomberg endorsement? I think so few people will care.

Who's this guy? Yeah, I don't think anyone is going to... He's no Giuliani, that's what they'll say. It's not going to move the needle, you know. Giuliani, he says something. Giuliani would make change more minds in Bloomberg. For sure. I don't know.

Maybe he's if Giuliani were like, actually, I endorse Hillary. Right. He might too I don't know. I'd be a big fan. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. So yeah, I was the first one to write on it and you're now but now you're now like a Putin operative Well, I'm not being accused of doing the bidding of The Kremlin are we had it towards a new Cold War? You know, that's probably a question for someone smarter than I am

But can we do some sort of thing where it's like cyber and cold combined? Is there any kind of cyber? Yeah Siberian Siberian war. There you go. We're talking about now. So I don't know what that does. Actually got a word. This little PC game called Siberia with the CY. What is the CY? So I don't know. I mean, what do you... The liquid cooling war.

Right. Here's a hypothetical for you. You've been in charge of a newsroom before. Thank you. I can acknowledge that. I can acknowledge that. I appreciate that. If you knew, I mean, look, I found these emails on WikiLeaks because just like everyone else did, they were publicly dumped. But let's say, you, someone gave, provided you with evidence of a grievous crime on the part of a a a a democratic

major politician uh... who was in a very important election now being a good liberal would you sit on it or would you report it was the grievous crime i mean what let me let's let's say let's let's say and what but that's what that's what's being suggested is that somehow by by I got this New York magazine survey. Did you get it? Yeah, I mean yeah, I may talk about the fucking survey I just the media the case against the media by the media. It's like I didn't want to know the case against the media by your loaded questions and you sent to people who were like probably not aware that you would be making it into a cover. It was a bad survey monkey. I can say that much. It makes, it's survey monkey is generous. Yeah, more like survey roach.

I don't know, I think it's a lesser. Definitely, yeah. Roaches are survivors actually when you think about it. Survey, survey monkey. Survey yeast. No, that's, yeah. At any rate, nobody does what we're talking about. Some inside baseball shit.

Nobody cares about my stomach. I agree. But anyhow, would you sit on a scoop? About a crime? Woo, all right. No, because that's page yours, my man. These weren't crimes. Would you sit on a story that was damaging

to the part now that's an insane idea? I would, even if it had been furnished through, you know, illegal means as presumably these hacked in a world or legal illegal i mean this is a story is a story that's that's right is it interesting or not i mean it's at my own criteria is is this interesting or not to should people know about this or not but also like for me actually the bar is like do i give a shit well it's a soon to give a shit

yeah i mean but there were there were a lot of people out there who think that we should have, and that all I guess the national press should have ignored these emails because they might have come from Russian Hatter. The trouble, the trouble is, which I think is preposterous and dangerous. No, that's like, that doesn't matter.

I don't work for the DNC. The source doesn't matter. I mean, I don't work for the DNC. The person who if if like It's not money. You're not spending it. It's not like somebody dropped a bag of a hundred thousand dollars on your doorstep You're like I'm gonna go buy a bunch of shit with this and never worry about where the money came from There are like repercussions. They're obviously like repercussions like somebody that's somebody's money This is somebody's money. This is like their shit is out. And it's evidence of a real wrongdoing. You either respond to it and say,

this is worth talking about or not. Like, just on the basis of interest. I would just say, forget about, if it's illegal to do, I mean, you might go, is it illegal to write about this? I don't think it is. Even this situation. You might say, like, talk to a lawyer. But beyond like the legality of it, I'm not gonna go to jail. I don't think it is. Even this situation. You might say like, talk to a lawyer. Sure.

But beyond like the legality of it, like I'm not gonna go to jail. I'm talking about the ethics. Yeah. Ethically speaking, I think like you have a duty to say what's important and what's interesting. I think a reporter has a duty. And by the way, everybody's level of that is different.

Like GQ's story about how Scott Disick gets paid to party is from an ethics standpoint. Nobody's like, how dare they publish this information. That's a great story. It's a really fucking interesting story. And like your bar maybe like, is this interesting to the audience that wants that story? And you may be like, not interesting.

Yeah. But I think if you're talking, if you're reporting on politics and the machinations of the political machine, just the idea that you would defer to the machine, and you know, they may be. Yeah, I got you. They did it you would defer to either party.

What's the alternative? Doing nothing. You just go, I'm not touching this because it might have been with some dirty. Oh, wait until after the election. Why would you do that? I'm not, I didn't have funny voice, because it's someone else's thing.

Did the New York Times do anything? Of course they did, and did anyone say New York Times arm of the Kremlin, no. I think it's crazy to imagine sitting on something like that. Right, but also I'm not surprised. I think this is the other thing. You may think what the DNC has been doing is wrong.

You may think it's twisted. You may think it ruined the election for Bernie, whatever. All probably true. This is the, there is no, there is no clean politician. No, there is no like perfect political system. It's, it's fucked up. Like, who wants to be president? Only sick people want to be the president. Only just dirt people want to be the president. If you can become the president, you shouldn't be allowed to be. No, but I've said this a lot,

like if this is not quite the same thing, but like if somebody was like, you can run the New York Times, do you want to do it? I'd be like, no, thank you. That sounds like a fucking nightmare. You have so many problems to deal with that are like, just like you have to, you're all day and all night unpacking problem, after problem.

And no matter what choice you make, there's the wrong choice. Someone's gonna be mad. Someone's gonna be mad. It was gonna be, but it's like I've shown in my and our little media world. That's like my version. Like in the world,

the president of the United States is the person who has to do the worst shit. Every day. And it gets no crap, basically no credit for it. They can't do anything right? Like even if you're the worst shit it's like to save a bunch of people or whatever you still are treated like a piece of garbage,

you have to be a very sick person, wanna be president, which is why I can't wait to see Hillary Clinton ascend. Right on the center. I'm on the throne. I'm on the throne. Take a troll with her dragon. Listen, I think there's one thing, but here's one thing I'll say,

and then we gotta wrap up unfortunately. We need a woman in charge here. This is bullshit. This country is, if America is not great, by the way, I do think America is great, but it's because of men, because men are, wait, is greater is not great. It's not great. It's not great. This is like a, a Rouch via the opposite of the opposite of the Roush. Yeah, I got it. I get it. We're terrible. Sure.

Men are just bad people. Sure. Yeah, I am. We both are terrible guys. I'm sure. I'm fine. No, you're not that great. You get a little bit of a, you have 5%, 10% extra credit.

We got nothing. We're bad, dude. No, but you know, if the truth is, it's like, let's just shake it up a little bit. I'm with you. We got a black guy in there. And try one liquid it did. And it did not. No, no, no, no, no.

No, the black man was drove. No, the black man drove white males in this country to the brink. They drove them so far off the edge that they are nominating Donald Trump as their the fucking host of the apprentice. A guy who is a dumpster of a human.

Not even. Not even. Dubs are too nice. That's a container that holds things. It's useful. Whatever like a broken garbage bag on the sidewalk is. That's the kind of person he is. An old LG smart phone.

Can we have the point is that's how fucked up a white guy is an America God after Obama, but we need to keep going on this road. Right. We can't get him any quarter. We need to keep smashing this, whatever this thing is that has existed because it's not working that well. It really isn't. And I think, you know, Hillary's not perfect, but who is? Who amongst us is perfect?

You. To be Superman. My favorite superhero. No. Yep. Why? What's so great about Superman? Like another episode, man. He's just like, he's just so good.

Hey, it's strong and he can fly. What do you think about the new films? I represent a very tortured Superman. I didn't see the versus one. Really? It's not good. What's that was bad? Very bad. I like to manage steel. I bought the ultimate camera trust me.

To watch it. Costure makes an appearance in the new one. Spo bought the ultimate camera trust me to watch it. Costure makes an appearance in the new one. Spoiler alert. He comes back. Forget it then. He's like, I'm back. Is that what he said?

He goes back to life. At the end of the movie, he's actually back in. It's weird. Yeah. Another episode. Yeah, that's your movie. Can I plug one thing? Yeah, of course.

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He's a delicious chocolate that melts in your mouth. Anyhow, well, I think that's time to wrap it up. Say thanks so much for coming. My pleasure. And we have to do this again. I would love to. I would love to enjoy it. I would love to. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more. And as always, I wish you and your family the very best, although I understand that your family is involved

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