Tomorrow - Episode 65: Ashley Feinberg is Humanizing Us All

Episode Date: August 9, 2016

Gawker writer and member of the LIBERAL MEDIA Ashley Feinberg is here to tell Josh all about the stories she's twisted about me, Donald Trump. Pathetic! She thinks she has some hilarious insights into my personality because of some anecdotes about my fear of needles and lies about the state of my hair? Sad! I've got the best hair, ask my friends – of all races! I've been pulling in RECORD RATINGS – everybody agrees, believe me – meanwhile she's spouting off about Ted Cruz's soup collection and Jeb Bush's weird clothing? As if! Really nasty stuff, truly. Listen to Episode 65 and see just how UNRELIABLE a Clinton fan and investigative journalist like her can really be! Sad! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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when posting a project on DesignCrowed. My guest today is a very talented, very very talented writer from Gauker, one of my favorite websites on the planet. I'm of course talking about Ashley Feinberg, who is a senior writer at the soon-to-be-sold Gauker media empire. And you write for Gauker. I do. Just Gauker.

Now I write for Gauker, you start to focus on that. Anyhow, thanks for being here by the way. Thank you. Sorry. Yeah, don't write it to a question. No, so you used to write for, you got your start at Gismoto. Right. You were a...

I was an intern at Gismoto and then I went up the ranks before I was actually going to Gokker. Yeah, who was your editor when you started at the Gismoto? Joe Brown. Oh wow. Yeah, I was in the Joe Brown era. Joe Brown era.

Yeah, and then interesting. I had, we had about, maybe like, four different editors and heaps. Who came after Joe? After Joe was Jeff Managh. Is that the building guy? He was, that was the design years or months. Okay. The design months.

Then after him. And then Brian Bear. Oh yeah, Brian Bear. Yeah, and then Emily knew it, and then I bounced. Wow. That was it. You were like, no female editor is going to be in charge of me. Yeah, exactly, no.

I never really wanted to write about text, so it was a good time to kind of move on. And so you jumped, so that would have been like, what, two years ago? You were in half a gallon? Yeah, I moved in April of 2015, so over a long ago, that was. So not that long ago. I can't, yeah, I don't know. Like a little over a year? A little over a year, sure. We could in half a gallon? Yeah, I moved in April of 2015. So over a long ago, that was. So not that long ago. I can't, yeah, I don't know.

Like a little over a year. A little over a year, sure. We could probably figure it out, but. I don't want to. I don't want to spend any time. And now you're writing about, basically about politics. Right. Well, you're writing about politicians.

For politics, yeah. For Gawker. And so tell me, so let's, I want to, before we get into that, you were an intern at Gismoto. Okay. And you was at like a full-time gig? Yeah, that was a full-time, I was in turn for a month before not being an intern anymore, but yeah, it was a...

And so they had you doing what, like writing like on the weekend and at night and stuff? Most of them was an intern. I was kind of just looking for stories to pitch for other writers to write. So it was like, yeah, I was mostly just kind of like watching. You were like reading the news. Basically, yeah, tech news. Interesting.

About gadgets. Do you remember your first, what was your first story that you wrote? It was really, really, really bad. It was about a table. It was, it was, it was, it was, it was very, very, it took, it was forced in as long it took me, maybe like four hours to write. Ryan, do you think we could find that? Can you Google that and find Ashley's first post on

Gizmodo? It's a nightmare. 2000. 12. 12. It's had the word Aki in the headline about a table. Okay. Oh, that's easy. Search for her name. I've got a Google. My name? IKEA table. See what you go up with.

I've read it maybe twice. Are you excited about it every time? No, I'm not. Are you excited about hearing it live on the air? No, not even remotely. This is in live, so you're okay. So, so you said you started reading my gadgets. Did you review anything?

Yeah, I reviewed some stuff. I reviewed William's Pulse Smart Cuff, which is actually the only fun review idea that I can think of. Did you get to talk to Will I Am about it? No, God, I wish. So let me get this straight. Were you like a gadget nerd?

No, well, so in my interview, I kind of lied a little bit about knowing what Android was and kind of... So you lied about knowing what Android was? I'd heard of it. They wanted me to talk about how it differed from iOS. And I think I bolstered enough to make it fair. I said, famous Joe Brown that his interview process

was very strict. Was it? Yeah, he'd make you say what the difference was between Android and iOS. It's an notorious. That's not keep anybody out. Yeah, except for me. Yeah.

Well, you lied about it. Right, so it worked. So anyhow, so you lied about knowing what Android was. Yeah, and then I got the job. Well, why did you want to wait for Gizmodo if you didn't care? They were hiring. And I wanted to write for, I like Gokka or a lie, like Gokka or Media a lot. You just want to get like close to it.

Or yeah, and it was a job to have. What were you doing before that? I had just graduated college. Where'd you go to school? A Trinity University in San Antonio. Oh, I'm interested in, yeah. Yeah. Texas. It's in Texas. Indeed. A lot of great barbecue down Antonio. Oh, interesting, yeah. Yeah. Texas.

It's in Texas. Indeed. A lot of great barbecue down there. There is, they have a lot of barbecue. Yeah, a lot of barbecue. Okay, so you graduate school, you're like, man, I got to work at Gawker. Well, I'm like, I should, I want to write somewhere. Right, just anywhere.

Yeah, I had to- You didn't write anywhere before that? No, I hadn't really planned a lot. Right. Yeah. You're like, I'm going to New York. Did you, had you moved to New York? Yeah, I had me like a month before that. So that's a thing, man.

People who moved to New York, those are the people who get shit done. Yeah, I mean, I had to find a job and... Right, you get desperate. Next thing you know, you're writing about gadgets. Exactly, exactly. All right, now let's, let's, speaking of writing about gadgets, it gives me a,

Ryan is going to read your first ever post for his motto, written now. I want to hear the date and everything. Time before. Oh, I'm going to give you a dramatic break. Okay, good. This coffee table looks better and assembles easier than your IKEA furniture. Ashley Feinberg, 10, 05, 12, 7 pm,

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Wow. Via design milk. Wow. This was the design era? Yeah, no, no, this was just... This was just a joke, right? Yeah, this was just, I think I was trying... This must have been something they were like,

see if you can do this and they were like, well, I guess we have it now, I might as well publish it. I mean, that is like, that is really bad. Not at the right-wing spot. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, the words we had it now, I might as well publish it. I mean, that is really bad. Not the right news file. No, none of the words make sense in the order of their place. Oh, it's like, it sounds like kind of a little PR

thing for the table. But what's really interesting to me is that I remember, like, I think 2012's kind of late in this, but like when there was, and we, you know, at endgatch, like, you know, early on. Well, yeah, that's what I was emulating. Like, oh, I went through like past archives and was like, how do they write about tables?

Yeah, yeah, and it's like, there was a moment where you're just kind of cranking through like, oh, it's a new thing, just write whatever we know about it right now to write that and put it up and that's some content. People still do that.

I know people still do it, but I'm just saying we were like this. That was not a bad thing to do once, but then. Yeah. I wonder what your second post was. I should find out. I have no idea. I think. Ryan's gonna go, I like this your second post was. I should find out. I have no idea.

I think I would have to find out. Ryan's gonna go, I like this. Maybe this whole show will be dotted with your kind of past. No, no, by the table. So anyhow, so you did that for a few years through four editors. Yeah. Which is a real whirlwind. It sure is.

And then you went to Gawker. And then you went to Gawker, you said about a year and a half ago. I know a year ago, sorry. You're an ill-regarder. And did you immediately start writing about politics? Yeah, I mean, I sort of tried a bunch of different things. I still, I wrote about politics in internet culture mostly, which I still write about in internet culture sometimes. But yeah.

What's the last internet culture thing you wrote about? Brendan Frazier's website. What is that all about? The other week. It's the best website brndan phrasier uh... star of uh... uh... and cina and cina man

he made a lot of movies about like being a guy yeah looney tunes some looney tunes movie isn't that weird movie it's called the jungle it's called like shaky bones or something it's like monkey bones monkey bones

you can find all these films and more what's going on in his website? you have pulled up right now it's incredible it was yeah That is what he's about to do. He's got his website. He's got his website. You can find all these films and more. What's going on with his website? You have pulled it up right now. It's incredible. It was, yeah. Whoa. It's great.

It was made in 2004. It is cool. I'm into it. Doesn't he broke though because this is like, X-Wife took all his money. Rebecca Romaine? No. Wait, who am I thinking? That would suck for Brendan.

Wait, you're thinking of John Stamos. No, no, no. John Stamos before John Stamos for back room, he was married to somebody. I mean, she's married to what's his face now. Jerry O'Connell. Yes, Jerry O'Connell. Okay, Jerry O'Connell. Jerry O'Connell's are being afraid of.

Jerry O'Connell, bread of freezer, feel weirdly interchangeably. If you recombined the parts of John Stamos onto Jerry O'Connell, you might get bread. That's generous to bread and freezer. Well, whatever. Oh, the Jerry O'Connell's such a great, he's so great. John Stamos, Fraser. Well, whatever. Oh, the agiario cuddles, like such a great, he's so great. John Stamos, whatever.

Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Yeah, I know. Yeah, no, it's just, it's the best website and it has not changed since, early 2000 era. It's not updated at all. No, no, no, no, no, and it's fantastic. There has weird little like pop-ups, like at a certain section. Do you want to hear the sound effect?

Do you want to hear the sound effect? The fans will come Yeah, please. It's exciting. Oh, the integration. Oh, the integration. Oh, it's like, it's like a Zombo Com. It's elevator music. Yeah, it's good.

It sounds like the music from Zombo Com. You know Zombo Com? Really? You don't know what Zombo Com is? I know, I know, that is. Please let it Zombo Com. Zombo.com. I can't believe neither of you know what Zombo.com is.

It has a, I was going to guess like a know what Zombo.com is. I was gonna guess like a zombie-comadiential. No. It used to be the best site on the internet. It's very funny. Anyhow, getting back to your content. So you write about internet culture, but then you really, what you're really known for now

is your investigative reporting on various political figures. What's fun is that you take something specifically specific and you do hardcore water gates style reporting. That's one thing that matters anymore. Well, the thing is everyone, I wanna hear that theory a little bit. Well, everyone writes about everything else that happens,

but it's sort of the very minutia that is the most bizarre when you really look at it, I think. I agree with you. I think everyone's writing the same story every day. You're not writing the same story. You're writing a story about jet bushes sweater. Yeah. You're saying, you're saying, you're looking at the tough stuff.

You're saying, is jet bush wearing the same sweater over and over again? Mm-hmm? Was he? I think- Tell me about that story a little bit. Okay, well, so my favorite sort of, throughout the primaries, I would sort of focus on one usually conservative politician as my like personal- Here's who I put in the cross. No, no, no, no, I love Jebus. I miss Jebus every day.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, so Jebus for a I miss Jeb Bush every day. Yeah, that too. Yeah, so Jeb Bush for a very long time until he dropped out. But so in my being obsessed with Jeb Bush, I had a column on Tweet deck that was just Jeb Bush content in tweets. And so I- Was that like just the Jeb at Jeb Bush?

Or was it like just the- It was Jeb Bush. It was his wife. It was like Jeb Bush trending news. Are you making a list of Jeb Bush sources? Jeb Bush related content Are you making a list of Jeb Bush sources? Jeb Bush related content, the only good content. And so I noticed that he had been wearing the same sweater

for a few days in a row. And this struck me as notable, because it is. And so then I did some digging and I looked at his TV appearances for those days and I looked at the Tom Halsey was at and Jeb Bush had been wearing the same sweater for four days in a row. And yeah, and so I kind of... You don't think it was the same type of sweater

for you had four different versions, four different... That was one of my questions, but it was not. I'm pretty sure. He has dug funny his closet. That's like, that's my dream, really. But if anyone has a picture of that, please send it to me.

But of his closet? Of his closet, yeah, I would love that. I've had Jeb Bush as a picture of it. I've of that please send it to me, but his closet of his closet. Yeah, I would love that I've had jet blush as a picture of it. I've asked him to send me so much right now He's not endorsing He's wandering around. Oh, he endorsed he endorsed the independent candidate didn't he? Did he yeah? What's his name? Gary Johnson. Yeah, Gary Johnson. I think he endorsed Johnson. I'm almost making it up. He's definitely not endorsing Might have been a dream I had. Yeah This is a country that I like, oh, what if Jeb endorsed Gary?

He says he's voting, he's considering voting for Gary Johnson. That's quite an endorsement. As far as Jeb goes, that's the strongest term I've ever seen. That's the most bold he's ever been on any topic. Please clap. Yeah.

Yeah. So you were investigating his sweater. Basically, I posted the investigation, and then I'd email Jeb because he loves to answer emails because everyone needs friends. And so he responded after the post went up and he said, I can actually pull the email, well, not yet.

No, you can't, oh, Ryan can. It's on the post. Ryan, can you pull the email up from Jeb to Ashley? There were several updates in the, yeah, it was like. I remember the email. It's interesting because I wonder how much we don't well never know, but it's very possible that the electorate was very impacted by your story about it.

I think it's what killed us campaign personally. I mean, it's very possible that people read that. People were just posted, yeah. They were like, this guy's weak. He's wearing a gross old sweater. Honestly, I think it speaks to Jeb's character that he's that confident in himself personally. He's like, I get where whatever I think it speaks to Jeb's character that he's that confident himself personally. He's like, I get where whatever I want.

Yeah, I'm a bush. It wasn't four consecutive days I was in Miami on Sunday. Notice on Tuesday evening, I wore another sweater. Also notice that ISIS has not been defeated. I am the proud owner of four sweaters and I have the best tax plan. Jeb sent for my iPhone. That's a high energy email. It's pretty good parts that he've had.

Yeah, I gotta say, you know, way he's almost, almost being in front of himself, but then he won't allow himself to. He said that email at 6 in the morning. That's, you know, he'd been up for like three hours, okay? Trust me. He loves the email. Here's the thing.

Mm-hmm. He almost is like, who cares how many sweaters I have? Isis is, he could have been like, exactly I have? ISIS, he could have been like, he could have been like, you know what, I'm too busy working on fighting ISIS to think about changing my sweater, which would have been kind of a cool response, but he doesn't really go there. Well, the thing is after he sent me that, I emailed him back and asked him how ISIS and his sweater count were related and he never answered, which to me is highly questionable and, uh, well, it's like, uh, just like Trump said, uh, who guys, uh, what was Trump's

name for him? Did he have a nickname for job? No, he was just low energy. Shakey just low energy. Yeah. He probably had too, too low energy to answer your email. But do you think, yeah, there's a part of the electric that just heard about, you know, saw your story. And they were like, this guy's weak, he's soft. He can't change his sweater every day. How can we expect him to lead the free world? If that's what happened, I regret the story because losing Jeff was a big blow to me personally.

Yeah, for you, you ran out of material, you had it. Well, then I went to Cruz. It took a lot for me to like really watch on the Cruz. Yeah, tell me about Cruz. Now Cruz is a guy who's interesting because, now who started, oh, actually let's go back a little bit. Who started the Cruz zodiac thing? Is that, I think that was started on Twitter.

Is that Paddy Mo, who started, it's Patrick Monahan, who's the same. I believe so, yeah. Who's like a guy who, he's written for a few different places. I don't know, I mean. I think he has, but he's not really, he's just kind of a Twitter person.

But every once in a while, he does something really funny like yeah I mean the so did they caught on it really caught on so much that we had an election where Ted Cruz his wife at least Heidi had to answer questions well and public policy polling asked uh fordivotors whether they thought Cruz was the so did killer and they are there I believe like a third were not sure. Yeah. Well, I mean, the problem with Ted. The problem with Ted Cruz is that he looked at him and you're like, maybe he, I don't know.

I mean, the timeline doesn't match up with Ted Cruz. Well, that and the crew thing. Ted Cruz seems like, what's the soup thing? You never heard about the soup thing? I don't remember. This was my... So, let me scandal. Favourthing that happened in this election.

Oh my God. This was like the best night of my life. When it was like a town hall, this was like the best night of my life. Um, when it was like a town hall and they had the candidates families on and they asked Heidi to tell like some story, I think, I just like to humanize them. And her story was that on their wedding night, or after directly after their honeymoon, the day they got back Ted Cruz went out and bought a 100 cans of Campbell's chunky soup to have and eat. And they had this little tussle over it and then Heidi went and returned the soup. And then her mother told her she should

have done that. And so she bought the 100 cans of Campbell's chunky soup back. And that is all Ted Cruz eats apparently. Did Campbell's latch on to that and do some viral tweets? Well, um, funny to say that because I contacted Campbell's after this happened and it took, well, I emailed them. I emailed a lot of the different PR people. I've had to go on LinkedIn to find as many as I could. Finally, after I got grin green walled to tweet at them for me, they got Glenn Green walled to tweet about. Yeah, he demanded transparency. About about Tay Cruz. Yeah, yeah, I demanded answers.

Oh, all of a sudden, Glenn Green walled has a funny side. That's news to me. Yeah, yeah, I demand it answers. All of a sudden, Glenn Greenwald has a funny side. That's news to me. No, there's nothing funny about this. This is serious. This is serious. Yeah, yeah. It seems pretty funny to me. And I asked Campbell's whether they thought it was a good idea

at Ted Cruz bought 100 cans of soup. And they told me that while they were going to stick to what they know, they think at least 100 cans is a good idea. So yeah, so that was a big uh. A viral. Yeah. Why do you think these like specific instances of weird things stick to those candidates?

But all they do for Trump is like, make him more powerful. How are you the powerful? Well, he Trump feeds on dark energy. So I think it's like, and he has so many though, it's like harder to, there's like, it's like the pin theory. All of it together, he's like pretty well around a guy.

Would you look at it? I mean, round it a certain aspect. Yeah, I mean, there's like so much happening with Trump that it's impossible to focus on one thing because instantly something else happens. No, I think I can answer your question. Let me try. Please.

Well, I think that those candidates suck. Okay, they were back. I'm not gonna make it happen. Great. No, no, this is how'm not gonna make a bad, great, great. No, no, this is how bad it is for the Republican Party right now, is that their candidates were so just generally bad at like making policy and making their point,

at seeming like reasonably sane. Well, no, I think that they're too good at being politicians basically and like coming off or like having or knowing what to say that's not going to like incite like people because the issue is that like when they say these things that seem humanizing or weird like that's people I John do because they're so rare. Yeah, but they're not even, but they're bad. Oh, yeah.

I mean, they're like, they're like not normal anecdotes like. Right. This is why it's so weird. No, but I'm saying, but this is my, to my point, it's like, they're just bad, they're just bad, they stink, like they suck at, it's like uncanny value being a human being. Yeah, they're like, they are bad at being a person.

And so, and so Trump, who is definitely bad at being a person, but also is, he's just a bad person. He's a, he can see you as evil. If they see some weird little flaw or quirk, they're gonna really, it's hilarious because it's like a super villain who has a thing for popsicles. It's like, it's so funny.

It's like blow-fell with the cat, you know, or whatever. And like the thing is, like, Trump, even though he's horrible, and we'll get to this in a second, I do wanna talk about it. Yeah. He's a performer. He's good at playing to a crowd.

And like, so all of, like, oh oh, he's like this terrible person over here And then you've got these kind of shitty humans who don't really function that well And so Trump was able this is how bad it is I think that like Trump was able to just completely Like destroy them even though he basically is like a completely flawed person Well, and if you're talking about Trump, like basically knocking them out, I think why he was so effective at that is because Trump has notoriously like

non-existent attention span and everyone is his enemy. So when he had 10 competitors, it he was in his like natural state and he was ready like pounds. Yeah, and he pounds. He's like the Katamari domicie of weird things. Like it just gets buried under more and more. And like, if you-

Is Trump? Yeah. He's like, it's like that pin theory, where like if you lay on a bed of nails, none of them will poke you. But if you're a Hillary Clinton and there's just email, it's gonna go right through you.

That's really dark. I mean, that's, I agree with that. It's like a physical situation that I don't wanna think about. But I mean, I wanna talk about Trump. Yeah. But I wanna get, I wanna like finish this like Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush.

Also Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, same number of letters, basically same structure of names. They're actually the same person in there. No, they're not. No, Ted Cruz is like a super villain and Jeb Bush is like, faceless like helper or whatever. Like he's kinda of like dumb. Like his brother's feckless helper.

Yeah. Yeah. But I just think that like if that was a buddy comedy, Jeb Bush is definitely not the main character. No, no. He's like the side character. Yeah. I mean, that's why it's fun.

I guess in buddy comedies, each one, both of them are the main character. I don't know. Like in dumb or dumb and dumb. I mean, it's probably like the equally, I don't think they are.. Like in dumb and dumb. I mean, it's probably like the equally, I don't think they are. I think Jim Carrey is like,

I mean. And he's like, like, Jox Whiskey's film, Trump is like the guy push everyone in the pool then. Is he? Yeah. I feel like it's like Nightmare on Elm Street 2.

And have you ever seen that movie by the way? My nurse and I are. It's really interesting. It's like super like, S&M like leather, like it's pretty, it's also pretty like gay's like super like SNM, like leather. Like it's pretty, it's also pretty like gay. And then like the director who's been asked for, sorry this is so, this is so,

this is so left feel, but like the director for years was like, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't see it at all. And like then like recently was like, yeah. Yeah, it's pretty gay. Like I think I made a pretty gay movie. I really gave that up. Yeah, and like and, and, but I feel like

Trump is like Freddy Krueger and everyone else is like a teen victim. And... Trump would definitely love to see it that way. The point is Ted Cruz and Jeb Bush, and it's easy to get them confused because I almost said, like Ted Bush and Jeb Cruz.

Short syllables. There's just such bad people I'm not bad to be a bad at being people well Jeb Bush is I think I'm generally a more natural person than Ted is Ted is sort of I think Ted is a Entity on to himself. Yeah, but think about that think about all the speeches that Jeb gave Well, Jeb just did it didn't want it was I think. Like, Cheb had no desire to do this. He just wanted to make his dad proud. I'm so glad that I don't have a father that I have to like. Be president for?

Live up to. No, I mean, my dad, my dad does it. He's not like, be more successful. Like, it's just not that kind of relationship. Like, I don't know what it's like if you're in one of these families where the dad's like, you've disappointed me. I think that's Cheb's whole life.

Yeah, and he's blue bloods, man. They act with like they've got these southern accents, but there are a bunch of blue bloods from like the East Coast. I got an understanding. And there are Jeb's of Wassmann Carnage. Yeah, but he's got that accent. Sort of. Sick, come on, y'all. So I want to talk about Trump, because you've done some serious, serious Trump journalism.

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We're back with Ashley Feinberg and we're talking about, we were during the break actually talking a little bit about Justin Bieber. Now, we're going to talk about Trump. So you broke a huge story on Trump. A story that you're now being possible, there's going to be possible litigation over. Maybe, there's sitting letters. I think it's very likely that you're going to be sued into oblivion by Trump and his people.

And also Peter T.O. Peter T.O. Yeah, it's a is back in Trump. He is actually a Trump supporter because like the Joker and Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight, Peter T. L. just wants to watch the world burn. Part of the world, specific part of the world. This part. Let's say what Trump's hair. Yeah, let's. You launched a serious investigation into the nature of Trump's hair. Yes. And what it is and where it came from.

Can you tell me about your some of your findings in that investigation? Yeah, so basically we didn't find out anything definitively, but everything we found out points to the fact that this is the person who does his hair. So we got this anonymous tip that Trump used a hair place called Ivari International and they have offices in Beverly Hills, New York, and Paris, or they used to.

Paris, they're like, yeah, you know, the Parisians are hitting the, in Vari for the hair stuff. Well, that's where their only offices now is in Paris. That's where they used to. Paris, don't like. Yeah, you know the Parisians are hitting the in Vari for the hair stuff. Well, that's where their only offices now isn't Paris. That's where they can escape. I was going to say there's some kind of legal loophole on it instead. They get a void litigation in Paris. Yeah, but yeah, basically, they were on the floor directly below Donald Trump, where now

his children are. They advertised in New York magazine. When you say floor below, you mean? In Trump Tower. Right, right. They were on the 25th floor of Trump Tower. Donald Trump was on the 26th floor of Trump Tower. Is that the top floor?

No, it is not the top floor. What's the top floor? Much higher than that. So, so Donald Trump was his office was there? That's where it is right now, too. It's 26th floor. Why wouldn't he take the top floor? Long wait time. Long wait time. Well, I think his, like where he lives is near the top. Oh, he lives up on the top. No, I don't know if it's the exact top, but near it. So he's on the 25th floor. No,

26th floor. Yeah. And Ivari. Ozavari is on the 25th. On the 25th. And so then, so tell me, just walk our listener, they don't know through your theory. Okay, so it's basically, Evari had a lot of clients in like New York upper echelons, like Josson Willenstein used Evari, or she was like in sort of an advertisement with him. And basically what their method is, is it's called the micro, it's called micro extensions, I believe. Yeah. That's what I use. Yeah, I mean, you can tell, right?

Yeah. I use it on my eyelashes, micro extensions. I love it. I'm trying, I think that's the term is that. It sounds right. Can you look at rank? Can you look it up to make sure it's safe for a minute? Yeah, it's macro extensions. And what it is from when I was able to understand, because sort of all the information I was able to glean about it was from this extremely outdated website and all these lawsuits that Avari had against him where they described it in detail.

But. Avari had lawsuits against Avari. Yeah, a lot of people. Avari, sorry. Former customer is a pursuing Edward Avari who was the main hairari. Yeah, a lot of people. Vari, sorry. Former customer is a pursuing Edward Vari who was the main hair person. Yeah. Yeah. And basically, the main hair style.

The pen to name is micro cylinder intervention. It was micro cylinder. Sorry, that's what it was. New ones were on. Okay, okay. Micro cylinders. And tell me how that works. So basically, what it sounds like happens is it's non-surgical.

They're very adamant about that. And they take the hair you do have, and they take sort of this mixture of wires and kind of thread and they tie their micro extensions. Like they slip it onto the hair you have, and then also kind of tie it to your actual hair. So it forms this sort of weave that is supposed to blend in. But what that means is that as your actual hair grows out, the hair piece basically grows out with it,

and so you have to get it tightened every six day weeks for a while, it puts it money. A fucking nightmare. I mean, it sounds like something like that you would dream of and you'd wake up from the dream and you'd be like, oh, thank God, that wasn't happening to me. Well, it sounds like it technically works. Do you know what I mean?

But it's not like a great idea. Well, why wouldn't you just get, well I don't know what you wouldn't just get plugs. Or hair piece. Well, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't try to be very like scared of needles, but also. How do you know that? It's sort of been written about

a lot of kind of off script biographies, but you scared of needles. He's scared of like surgery and needles and like, yeah, it's, which was part of the reason he supposedly chose this non-surgical procedure but One of the like big what a wimp factors was Sad the fact that um in their advertisements they Are very adamant about that fact that it's like you're real here. You can pull it

You can like wash it which is kind of word-for for word exactly what Trump says when he asks people to tug on his hair. Yeah, it was very bizarre. Why? So people are like, is your hair real? Well, he kind of brings it up a lot more than others do, which is also an indication that something's not totally right. Yeah, and like speeches will say, Oh, people always say like, my hair's fake here, like come and pull it and I'll like have a woman from the audience come up and like tug on his hair. during his run for presidents?

Yeah, yeah during rallies is headlum and come up and do that. I mean this guy's a fucking, are you kidding me? I cannot believe it. This is what you're talking you're talking. Yeah, this is like a very dramatic thing. Yeah, this is the most shocking, this is the most shocking thing I've heard about the whole track. But you know what?

It is. This is why her reporting is incredible to me. I know. I know. So illustrative. It's incredible. You're cracking open the biggest conspiracy of our time. And hope for it. No, I think it's the, I think this is bigger than the reptilian shape shifters.

All of the trick, right? Featured in the biggest secret, one of my favorite books. I don't know if I've ever talked about it in the podcast before. Yeah, I've seen these now. Is that the, look at that. There it is. Yeah, look at this. It's a little bit.

So it's just a comb over. It's like a really elaborate comb over. It's like a sort of a, if I had a wig and like I sewed it onto parts of your hair and then let it sit and just you had to wait every once in a while to tighten it, which is a lot of why people were suing. Do you think, well, is Donald Trump, was Donald Trump's father bald? Great question. Donald Trump's father did get, he'd lost his hair a lot

and Donald Trump's hailing is not match what his father's was but it's all off on your maternal side. Okay, what about his? Fred Trump. Yeah. Fred Trump actually is a great head of hair. I do not know whether or not it's natural. Not really.

I think you should delve into that. I looked into it a little bit but I was more focused on Donald's hair. So after you wrote this article, this deep dive into Trump's hair, something very interesting happened. Yes. Oh, yeah, we got a letter from Edvard Vari's lawyer who was Charles Harder, who is also the same lawyer who got some money from Peter Teal for other losses. Let's get really clear about this.

I know you're kind of dancing around it because it's very close near and dear to you. This lawyer Edward Harder says his name. Charles Harder, sorry. Charles Harder is the lawyer that represented Hulk Hogan. Did I just make it up here? I think that's right. In the monumental and historically important, significant lawsuit that brought gocherts deans, which was funded by a man named Peter Teal. He's a stedder Peter Teal.

A sea-steading gentleman by the name of Peter Teal, who just wants to be able to do whatever he wants without the intrusion of the US government, or the media. Or the media. Yeah. Or an in-lifer ever, he wants to live. He wants to live.

Who doesn't want to live forever? Who doesn't want to live forever? He wants science or God or the government or people or it's medical fact to keep him from doing what he wants to do. He wants to be secretly gay. We're a lot of liking that one. He's like the video game BioShock in a lot of ways. He wants to get formets and kind of underwater community

where no governance by man or God's. And he's starting with Gawker. Yeah. He's like, he's like the path to like a God like existence on this planet is to take out Gawker first and foremost We're gonna take out the comment section We're gonna get it take Kenja down once and for all it doesn't take a lot. Oh That's a little inside baseball for you

Anyhow to the Kenja developers. I'm gonna pour one out. Okay. Just great, but Kitch Kitch is great. Kitch is TM, the tagline of the Kinge of Platform. Anyhow, but, so this guy basically is like, he's Peter Teal's puppet. You don't have to say that. I'm gonna say it. And then I'll get sued by Peter Teal. But harder, Charles Harder. Yes.

Is a puppet of Peter Teal. He sent you a letter on behalf of Edward Ivari. Correct. And the letter said what? Uh, the letter basically said that we were hurting Edward Ivari's business and we were defaming him. And in the first letter, he never actually said that we were incorrect. He just kind of took issue with certain facts in our piece that he was upset that we were incorrect. He just kind of took issue with certain facts in our piece that he was upset that we quoted a judge's opinions of like loss to said it happened because

he thought they were defamatory, but they were. He was upset that you did. That was just wrote facts out. He was upset that we reported things and like wrote out things judges have explicitly said about a barring. But not really a way, not really, kind of like you're in the legal clear there considering the fact that those were actual judgments. Right, well, so then we replied, and we were actually were an article about it

and our lawyers and let her back, and then he said a new letter taking the issue with the fact that we actually were incorrect about the floor, Trump was on originally, we said they were both on the 26th floor, the 25th floor, but or 26th floor. Whatever. Whatever. Yeah, whatever. And then but Trump was actually the floor above. Yeah. And so we updated that fact. Wow. Yeah. That's, I mean, that's nearly liable, if you asked me.

I mean, they were at least confirming that. I think you get a Florida jury in there. Yeah. If you get the floor wrong, you're basically a criminal, as far as I'm concerned. Right, but when they were saying that, they were confirming for the first time they were in Trump Tower during all this, so that was nice for us. That's kind of a win. And so what's the status of your legal battle with Ivari right now? I'm not sure. As far as I know, we, I don't know if we've received a letter back or not.

So that's like been put to bed basically? I have no idea. It could be anything. So then you've got a recent now moving on from the hair. You got a recent scandal that you've exposed with Trump. Right. His jacket. Yes.

Can we talk about that for a second? Yeah, that was very excited. Tell me about it. Because I have not read this story. That was today. Oh, the bread just happened. Yeah, just happened. This will air tomorrow on Tuesday.

So on Monday, you published a story. It published today, yeah. That was today. I was just happy. Yeah, just this will air tomorrow on Tuesday. So on Monday, you published a story. It published today. Yeah. No, yeah. I mean, yeah. Right, right, right. So what tell me the story? So basically this weekend, um, Patron posted an Instagram of him and Reince previous in an airplane. Uh, Reince had Reince, Reines. Rent, Rentfield, Rentfield. Rentfield. Dracula's Dracula's assistant. Um, so he, he had his jacket taken off as one does in an airplane. Rent's did.

Yeah. Uh, uh, don't. I see that picture again. Yeah. Just get that out. Donald Trump, however, did not. And as I was looking at that, I started to realize that I don't know that it, I'd ever seen Trump not wearing a jacket.

Yeah. Except, um, and like, when he's playing golf. And so I went through every single photo of Donald Trump on Getty. And I found that the last photo of him without a jacket, yeah, was Mark. It was in March of 2015. Is that, uh, Ivanka? That is Ivanka. That is his beloved Ivanka.

Yeah. She looks cool. Big sunglasses. Yeah, she wasn't my daughter I mean, do you think his comments about Ivanka or inappropriate? I think they're wild inappropriate. Yeah, it's weird, right? Of course, yeah, I mean the way he touches her is weird way he speaks about her is weird There's a lot of weirdness going on with her. Well, he's a very affectionate guy Everybody hates Tiffany. Yeah, you never touch his Tiffany in that way. Yeah, I mean, that's all Tiffany on Twitter. That's the one good thing to think. What? Wait, wait, there was a list online of people he'd followed on Twitter before Tiffany,

which he only followed her a couple of weeks ago, but it was hilarious. Really? In his defense, her Twitter is fucking boring. Okay. Have you heard her pop song? It's great. What? It's just a pop song called Like a Bird. No. It was only available on Amazon for months, and it recently came to iTunes and Spotify. It's fantastic. Only available on Amazon? It's great to see. Amazon MP3.

What? Yeah. What? Oh my gosh. I've tried for pop start-up. She's trying. Yeah. Good for getting it.

Wait, Tiffany is a, she just graduated college. Tiffany just graduated college, yes. So she had a pop song before college. She was like, if this goes, I won't have to go to college. And it didn't, so she got to. So she went to drop you. I didn't have to go to college, I was like, it's like a Carly Red Jepson situation going on with her.

Oh, no. No, Carly Red Jepson is a musician. She has a real person. Okay. Yeah. Tiffany, I mean, Tiffany's more of like a... Don't come for gay icon. I don't know where she's a gay icon since when?

Absolutely, I'm kidding me She had one song and then a motion For a whole last album is called the motion I know everybody should buy it on iTunes I know everybody's into a motion but seriously Don't come for CRJ Really? What's the single from a motion? I really really really like you

No one likes that song Tom Hanks disagrees. Well, Tom Hanks is super old and out of touch. So I don't know what you're talking about. They're big. Big was made in 1986. You were even fucking bored. Were you even alive in 1986?

Were you? Really was good. Okay, well, look at this skin. I rest my case. Wow, look at this skin, really. It's great skin. It is good skin, actually. It's great skin. It is good skin actually. It's an incredible complexion.

Anyhow, moving along. Mm-hmm. So this jacket. Yes, yes. And yeah, all right. So I threw my research. I spent hours on Getty and AP images. I found that less image of Trump without a jacket

was in March of 2015, which is weird. Like, I, it was hard without a suit jacket. A suit jacket. Yeah, yeah. Or any, yeah, it's like a suit jacket on. He's every single photo every, even when he was on the plane eating KFC, he was wearing a jacket. Oh, that sounds good.

Yeah. Mine's the jacket. No, I'm just kind of hungry. Right. Yeah. I mean, I would need, I wouldn't need chicken. That's the worst, No, I'm just kind of hungry. Right. I wouldn't eat chicken, that's the worst. But the other issue with that, so Trump had the spout graffiti that came out in 1993 that was unauthorized

and he kind of sued into submission. But what is it? It's called, I have it extra right here. You have it? Yeah, I have one. Oh my God, it's amazing. And most people don't bring props. So these are the exciting.

I was using it in my post today. Hello. It's a lost tycoon by Harry Hurte, I believe. And so, yeah, if you open the front cover, you can see actually they had to put a, yeah, they had to put a note because of Ana asked them to, yeah. Notice to the reader.

Wow, I'm going to read this, okay. On April 7, 1993, when Lost I Kuhn had already been printed and was awaiting shipment, the publisher, this is fucked up, who had met with Donald Trump in his lawyers on March 3rd, received the following communication from Donald Trump's lawyers. The Stephen by Ebonna Trump does not contradict or invalidate any information contained in this book, and it is included here only to give full expression to differing points of view on an important event. What year was this published?

93. Here we go. Hold on. During a deposition given by me and connected with my matrimonial case, I stated that my husband had raped me. I wish to say that on one occasion during 1989, Mr. Trump and I had marital relations in which he behaved very differently toward me than he had in our marriage. As a woman, I felt violated.

As the love and tenderness which he normally exhibited toward me was absent, I referred to this as a rape, quote, rape. But I do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense. Any contract, any contract Inclusion would be an incorrect and most unfortunate interpretation of my statement Which I do not want to be interpreted in a speculative fashion And I do not want the press or media to misconstrue any of the facts said forth above all I wish is for this matter to be put to rest The statement can only be released and used in its entirety, approved Ivana M. Trump April 6, 1993.

They had to pay said into every coffee. So her statement is, I said that he raped me, but I was really using rape as a term to describe a feeling, a feeling that I had when we made love. She's also since waffled on that date in a few times. But because of the, well, you can explain the built Clinton stuff though, I feel like the press is kind of at Daytona with this. Right. Yeah.

I mean, it was kind of covered a little bit, but there's a lot of, yeah. It's a bit... They asked me to into it. The asked me to do it was when actually... You're marking going on. Yeah, I'm in the process of another thing, but The Aspen incident was when he took Ivana to Aspen and Marlin Meple's also he invited his mistress at the time and eventual second life and they had a bit of a

Like on a bit of a fight on the slopes. No, yes Who are you? There's a guy who posted about it, actually, if you want to. Who wrote this book? Harry Hurt, I believe. I, you know, the worst thing about this is that Donald Trump has like unauthorized biography. He's readin' about him.

I think that's like the biggest crime of all. From 1993. Yeah. Also, yeah, I mean, he sued it. It's out of publication now. Like, you can't buy it from less than $100. Would you get that on eBay? Sam Bittles actually gave it to me. Sam Bittle.

Yeah. Sam Bittle, one of the most controversial gocker writers of all time. Now we're working at the Intercept, which is Glenn Greenwald's publication. Do you think about like ever going on in your career and doing something like Kitty Kelly, where you like take a big book of this crazy shit about one person. Um, yeah, I mean, if I got enough to do it, that would be great. You want to write a book? Uh, Trump.

Not really. Not, I mean, I know. You want to be Trump's new biographer? I just want to make sure I'm hearing you. I'm kind of a very exoscient of Trump right now, but. Are you? Oh, yeah. Tell me what you think his chances are to become president? I mean, I

Think they're incredibly slim, but I also thought they were incredibly slim to be the candidate How would you feel about living in Trump's America? I Honestly can't even imagine it. I mean really Yeah, it's I mean can you I feel like America will become like one big Mar-a-Lago. I mean, I don't know what Mar-a-Lago is, by the way. I don't know what it's meant to represent. I hear the words Mar-a-Lago.

I don't know what that means. Like, it's a person's name or a location on the planet. It's a resort in Florida. Okay, but what is Mar-a-Lago? What is the meaning of it? It's in Florida. It's probably... It's a Spanish word for sea to lake. Yeah, sea to lake.

Sea to lake? Okay. That's probably Spanish word for sea to lake. Yeah, see to lake Yeah, that's something I didn't know before. Well, we learned something new every day Well, you know, I mean, I know Trump is a big supporter of of the Hispanic people of the Hispanic people Talkables all the Tino's Hispanics. I know that I know these highly respectful of the their those people their culture They're right to be in America. Oh yeah. So where do you go from here? Now we're closing it on the most important and intense months of a presidential year.

And what are you going to be focusing on? For the next few months. Yeah. Um, I mean, so the conservative candidates interest me a lot more than the democratic ones. Why? I think because they are supposed to convey this sense of sort of, I mean, conservatism of being morally superior in some way and it's often not the case. Right. And so it's often not the case. And so it's interesting to sort of pick that apart.

Trump is defies that a lot because he is not. Do you think, you mean because he's a piece of shit? Yeah, yeah, I mean, he is a monster and he is. No, he's horrible, right? Yeah, and he's a comfortable expressing that, basically, which, like the baby thing. Right, yeah, which makes it hard, the quote unquote baby Yeah, quote a quote the baby right yeah, so it's hard Very sad very sad

So yeah, I mean it's harder to sort of pick apart his Basically what his his wasabi puts up because his facade is him does he have a facade? I don't think so I mean his facade is who he is. I think he is Is this deeply insecure person which is why I think he is as deeply insecure person, which is why I think the coat thing is really interesting because that is the one thing he sort of portrays as his being. So what do you say?

And he hasn't removed his coat in how long? He, yeah, he hasn't as far as I know. He has not taken off his coat in 17 months. But do you think when he sleeps, the coat comes off? I mean, yes, I think that he does not shower with his coat, but But like in private he's probably taking the coat. Right, right, right. It's basically a movie of your coat Donald. Who is that?

Well, oh, that's a thing. Michelle Obama. I don't think it's funny at all. It's funny at Trump. Oh, that's the thing is that, oh, that's what I'm saying. It's like in this book, there was a part where he talks about how Marlon Mabel says that she's never seen Donald Trump completely naked, and that anytime

they're about to have sex. Is that never nude? Well, hold on, anytime they're about to have sex, he makes her go into the bathroom while he addresses and then gets into the covers, and then tells her to come in. What? Yes. What?

Yeah. Wow. Is this like the emphetamines thing? A key definitely has body issues. Oh, in. What? Yes. What? Yeah. Wow. Is this like the infetimine thing? A key definitely has body issues. Oh, yeah. Hey, we all do, okay? You know what? Please don't body shame Donald Trump.

No one is perfect, okay? Yeah. We all have our crosses to bear. Except Ivanka. Ivanka is missing. I gotta tell you. Trump agrees. I gotta say she's incredible.

She's an incredible body. I don't think there's any way you can deny that. I don't care's incredible. She's an incredible body. I don't think there's any way you can deny that. I don't care how related you are to her. Her body is incredible. That's what qualifies her for Secretary of State. So he gets into bed. Right.

The lights are off. Yeah, yeah. He takes his clothes off. Uh-huh. And then. And then he says, come on in. And then Melania has to entertain her. Well, that was Marlon Mabel's.

Who knows? Oh, okay, but Marlon M Mables or Melania has to encounter his micro penis That's interesting. Yeah, or A lot of micro penis or do we think he has a micro penis? Well, I live you go by the old rule by hand side Yes, his hand is officially not the is smaller than the average size male. Is it really? Yeah, yeah I told you I told a reporter found that out. I told Donald Trump. He's six six two. It's pretty tall. Is he six one? He's taller than Ted Cruz, a jet bus was I know yeah six two's that's two inches shorter than me Tell man It's very tall strand cells trump hands, which are a little baby doll hands. They've cut off

Well, I'm interested in his hands. I want to know what's it like to be caressed by Donald Trump's hands? A little nightmare on Elm Street too, for my reasons. I feel like to be to be held in Donald Trump's hands. I imagine if you're, I have a hard time believing that Melania is happy in that marriage, but yeah. Can we put this out there? When I see Melania, when I hear Melania, I hear a person who believing that Melania is happy in that marriage, but. Can we put this out there? When I see Melania, when I hear Melania,

I hear a person who's been imprisoned by someone else who needs to get out. I think that there was a mutual benefit for a while, and I think she had no desire for him to run for office. And I think now that he is, she is very, very to that what's happening. Yeah, I would agree with that. What's happening in there, Ryan?

What are you doing? I was saying, I think she's like a male-order bride situation, but the legal, most legal version where you have a prenup that's extremely ironclad about having children staying married, not saying this, not saying that, signing NDAs. But I think also, if you're a grown woman and you're put in front of a stage

and you endorse racism and stuff, I kind of think like, a lot of you Trump's in a position where if she walked away now, I don't think anything too bad would happen. Now the craziest thing is, is that fucking Ivanka speech? She was like, I mean, about women's rights and fucking people pay. I mean, when she spoke at the DNC, it's so crazy. I'm like, what fucking universe are Republicans cheering for this shit? They are the most anti-woman.

And that arena, no one really could hear what she was saying. They just kind of cheered at their cues. Were you there? Yeah, I was there for a Ivanka speech. How did you feel? During, so they're apart during, like, really on a speech, for instance, it was horrifying. People were being scared, right? Yeah, I mean, it was like they're apart during like really on his speech for instance It was like very it was horrifying so it was yeah, I mean it was like they wanted blood

Yeah, like it was in like I it was insane. This like it reminds me a lot about Sarah I mean do you remember Sarah Palin speeches like oh yeah, they were the best Yeah, I mean but they were but they were I remember watching the RNC and watching Sarah Palin I was like this person is fucking evil like they're bad. They're a bad person And they're like like getting everybody into some of the like- At least Sarah's palins were like sort of nonsense. It's a cool like, Julie Annie knew what he was saying.

And like it felt a lot more- Oh, Julie Annie's a piece of shit. Oh yeah. There was no question about it. Yeah, and Krusty was, that was kind of the most jarring species I know. Krusty? Yeah.

What was the, I can't remember. His was like the like, his was basically like the one where he was like litig'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I still have my fingers crossed. What do you mean, what do you mean over pens? Yeah, I mean, I trumped not what pens. There's, I was this first choice. He tried to go back in midnight. He tried to cancel the deal, art of the cancel. They wouldn't let him. I still think that according to him. According to the internet.

Multiple sorrows. I still think that pens might come to his, whatever, and back out. Newt or Christie is like my dream, because then I'll be okay with not having Ted Cruz or Jeppish. I mean, all of the people supporting Trump right now, all the Republican supporting him are detestable piles of shit. I mean, I'm gonna say, Paul Ryan,

all of them, anyone who is, who can go out there and stump for him or talk about him positively is a is anti-American. But you're worse than just a regular Republican where I think like you're unintelligent and self-centered. I feel like you're not only an intelligent and self-centered, you're willing to sell out the things you truly believe in your 100% for 100% for game. They're willing to sell out anything they can to maintain power.

And that is why the Republican Party has failed. I mean, it has failed. It has failed. It has failed as a component of American politics. And like they're missed their greatest mistake was in believing they could do anything they could say anything and do anything to hold power like they have no there's no compass point well that's why you know that's not jab bush and donald trump do you think the tea party trick them into thinking like these people are so

wildly fanatical no i think they allowed the tea party to be part of the way i think there are too many people who when i think the tea party helped kind of i've without without the tea party i don't of what they do. I think there are too many people who, when, I think the tea party helped kind of, without the tea party, I don't think Trump would be the nominee. No. That's the crazy infected, the Republican party. I mean, but Obama drove Republicans to the brink of sanity because there's a set of Republicans who are like financially conservative and are are wanna have a strong military,

totally fine. I can argue about that. And then there's like the branch of Republicans who are like, remember when the South was, the South show rise again. Like that's a large part now. Yeah, it is. So I watch that show Granite Flats, which is produced by BYU TV. Is that? That's not a show.

It's a Netflix show created by BYU, which is Bring Him Young University. No, that's not a series. Sorry, Bring Him Young. I mean, can they knock him up with a better name? Honestly. Sad. That's something a great show.

Well, the show is basically a drama, except everyone in it is a good person. It's just a narrative show. What is this? It's a drama. It's a dramatized. What is it? It's a drama. It's a dramatized 50s period piece. Okay, I like this. And it's very,

Women, let's say generous to the 1950s, except there's no drinking or smoking. The greatest period of America that has ever existed. There's no drinking or smoking and in the whole thing and everyone is in general a quote unquote good person with like good belief. So what's the conflict? This is like, there isn't one.

I watched like four episodes, nothing happens. But what I wanted to say with I feel like, don't you feel like there's like a part of them that thinks like if we get back to this, like if we get back to the 50s, if like if it's just white people, they never was meaning. No, no, no, no, no, it's like Clint Eastwood's comments

about like his America or whatever are, he's talking about a time when right colored people weren't part of his problem like the war like gay people would show up. Yeah, they weren't in his like world. They were being challenged. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's wonderful to be totally dominant and have every one of your opinions. Validated? Yes. Yeah. Validated by reality. Like that sounds fucking great.

But that's not real. Well the crazy thing is Clinton even endorsed Donald Trump. He just said like, he's on to something, but he never said like, but for Trump. Which, I mean, didn't Scott East would say that? Scott East would. Son. I don't know, maybe.

You don't know who Scott East would. I don't know who Scott East would. He's very sexy. He's the Scott Bale of the East of family. Apparently. Look, they're all shit. All the Eastwoods are shit. I don't care who you are.

I don't care how fucking famous you are. I don't care how many dirty, hairy movies you made. If you are even remotely supportive of Donald Trump or this kind of like weird thread of Americanism and nationalism that is highly racist, homophobic, xenophobic. You can basically go fuck yourself. That's how I feel about it. Like, and that's one man's opinion. One powerful man's opinion. No, but like, I just, I just, it's like, we're in a moment of reckoning in America. Hopefully. No, we are. I no I mean well that's the hope is that after this people will

Recognize that something is wrong, but who no fucking no Do you think that do you think it's a false equivalency to say like Bernie or bust? What do you mean people like Bernie or bust is the green is the tea party? I mean, I think I think the Bernie situation is still Is this from what I it's from what I saw, the burning people were, there were some who were very, like, adamant and fanatical, but for the most part, they were willing to admit that they are going to vote for Hillary in November and it's like, they're not, they're not as sort of like, it's not as much of an economy as it is in the

conservative party right now. I mean, I think, I think, yeah, in the case, you look, in the Democratic party, you can choose between this radical left person who agrees with all of what the other person agrees with, but wants to go further. Except Bernie's GMO, shit, kind of. Well, it's like Jill Stein and autism vaccines. Bernie, yeah, it's everything. Oh, just I believe that it helps care for everybody.

Just no vaccines, and it's all me a path I don't know we don't know that it vaccines don't cause a lot No, but but with the Bernie people I mean the internet has distorted the internet has distorted all this like I think there I think there are 20,000 shitty Bernie bros I think there are some people who are not going to vote because they are upset by Sanders. And the one I think for the most part, people are rational and logical,

then what was vote for Hillary? Well, I mean, here's the deal. You can have Hillary or you can have Donald Trump. Yeah, okay, Johnson, maybe, maybe people. No, not me. Susan Sarandon says no. No, let's go Trump. I'm voting for Susan Sarandon.

Susan Sarandon is a pile of shit. And you should. Debra messing for life. She was a bitch and stepmom. That's why they delete Susan Sarandon. Susan Sarandon from your existence. of shit and for life that's a a season surrender from your existence she voted for trump susan saran then

gotten a fight with that we're messing on twitter about the universe is Hillary yeah she lost so now she put a post-face on for all the dancing and now she saying i think it should be trump because everyone will see how bad it is and then it'll get better so So we should be really bad before. Exactly. It doesn't step, Mom. Well, you know what?

Fox is in the surrounding her horrible ideas about politics. If Donald Trump is elected president of the United States, that's the end of the United States. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, he makes George W. Bush look like a fucking Einstein. No, he makes George W. Bush look like a really smart sophisticated guy and that is the craziest thing about Trump. Where's Bush's paints? I don't think Donald Trump could paint anything. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no just say something? I mean, George W. Bush in contrast to Donald Trump looks like an American.

It's impossible to say that until we see a Trump presidency as a thing. No, it's not. Bush was a nightmare for the country. We're still sort of just getting over that. So imagine a person who is like 10 acts as bad, because that's Donald Trump. No, no. So my, if Donald Trump does a president, the one silver lining is

that hopefully his vice president will run everything. Because Trump has no desire to be president. Mike Pence, let's talk about Mike Pence for a second. Mike Pence is also a nightmare. The guy who, the guy who mandated that you have to have funerals for a boarded baby. I agree with that.

Mike Pence who believes in gay conversion. Every time I hear about abortion, I have a funeral. I agree with that Mike Pence who believes in gay conversion every time I hear about abortion I have a funeral you agree Mike Pence is a How can I how can I say this? Shining beacon of hope in America Mike Pence is a stooge He's a I mean if I were Mike Pence I I never would have accepted it. He's nothing new could have been as a vice president That's that was my dream. He makes Joe Biden, well Joe Biden's an amazing person. But why didn't actually it was not a he had to not have a sparkling record. It's going on. I

am trying to remember. He was much more to the middle leading rise politician. Uh, he has kind of been obfuscated by his sort of wacky Joe in the White House persona. Have you seen that friendship bracelet he sent to Barack? I did. I did see that. Okay. I mean let's just... Do you think delete your account gave these people social media managers a little too much license? That was a really good tweet.

That was the best tweet of all time. That was a good question. The other person that you wrote never tweet. That was better than delete your account. Yeah, that was it? Yeah, that was really fun. Who said that? Who was that? I think that's one of the myth Warren who quoted Donald Trump

as saying something about her and she just wrote never tweet. No, the Bernie said never tweet. Oh, it was Bernie said never tweet. Yeah, Bernie said never tweet. Are you Bernie bro? I didn't know that. Yeah, I have support Bernie. I donated to Bernie M.

I voted for Bernie. I did too. Okay, guess what? The shit is over. The primary ended. Yeah, I'm voting for Hillary. It's time to it. It's time to back a real candidate. I agree with that. His tweet was better. Bernie would have been pretty bad at running the government. Oh, I mean, Bernie was been bad president, but I'm glad he made his far as it did in terms of pushing the

platform left. Me too. That's great. That's wonderful. Can you imagine the kind of intellectual dialogue that has happened between the two top candidates in our in the Democratic Party happening between the Republican candidates? Like what is the intellectual fucking dialogue between Donald Trump and Ted Cruz? It's a game of pomp. I mean, no one wants to talk to Ted Cruz.

There is no, there is no intellect there. Actually, it's been so great. It's been great. I gotta tell you, I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened in the last 45 minutes of this because it feels like- That's the election feels amazing. Things went really off the rails. Yeah. But it was great having you.

It was great being here. So we've covered the jacket. What is next for you? What is next? Yeah, what's the next bomb show? I mean, it's hard to say until it appears to me. Are you working on something? I'm working on more, yeah. I'm working on sort of dissecting how Trump functions

as a person. Physically. Physically would be great if I do. Do you think he eats normal food? I think he is rumored to take a lot of diet pills. Is that true? I wrote a piece about that. Well, for all the diet pills,

he's taking a lot of skin here. You would, or at a certain point, it kind of stops making that happen, and you sort of just balance that out. When was Trump skinny? He was skinny in the 80s. That was like 20 years ago. I know. It's been a long time that he could have been.

So he's just taking dipales to feel normal allegedly really not not for no more to like keep I mean he sleeps like three or four hours a night. How do you know that because he says that he sleeps here for I was a night. What kind of dipales is it taking allegedly he is taking it's just it's a sort of fentermine Combination allegedly. Why doesn't he take Adderall? Because it's easier to get these I think really as far as I know you don't doesn't he take Adderall? Um, because it's easier to get these, I think. Really? As far as I know. You don't think Trump could get Adderall?

I think he. I could get Adderall and I'm full of no trickery. Yeah, right. I mean, you'd have to ask Donald Trump. What, I? What about Riddleman? Couldn't he get in hair piece? But he doesn't, because he's stuck in a quits.

He could do a lot of things that he doesn't do. What about cocaine? You don't think he'd just get some coke. But that's hard to keep maintain in like a long term basis. Wow. All right, well Ashley, thank you for coming on this insane podcast.

Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. And you've got to come back after Trump wins the president. When president Trump is in office. Yeah, and we talk about like what the future holds for us. I mean, if we're allowed to talk. Yeah, I think just they're going to go to a special place, but yeah, I'll be around somewhere. We do that for me. Uh-huh. Okay, thank you. Yeah. Well, that's our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow. And as

always I wish you and your family the very best. So I've just been informed by a writer at Gawker that your family has not changed their jacket in more than 17 months. And that is just fucking gross. you