Tomorrow - Episode 70: Adrianne Jeffries Has Deactivated

Episode Date: September 20, 2016

Dear Reader, I write you from the future. A future where Episode 70 is hailed as a prescient and important document that refocused our society's priorities. Josh sat down with Adrianne Jeffries, a senior editor at The Outline and former editor and reporter for Motherboard and The Verge, and what happened changed history forever. Do you know how insignificant your silly phone updates are to us, your children's children's children? They aren't even a blip in our history books! You're impressed by Twitter and messaging stickers when somewhere in the world people are perfecting gene editing techniques? Preposterous! The only person who truly knew what was important was Adrianne. Absorb her wisdom and be better for it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to tomorrow, I'm your host Josh Wicapolski. Today on the podcast we discuss corporal punishment, cheers, and gamer gate. I don't want to waste one minute. Let's get right into it. My guest today is one of my favorite people in the entire world, a co-worker, a co-worker who's a person who interrupts people while they're doing an intro, and a very, very talented writer and editor. I'm of course talking about Adrian Jeffries. Thank you, Josh. Thank you for being here. Absolutely. I was just remembering as the last time we

were both on microphones like this was three years ago at the verge. Back in the old days, back at the verge. Yeah. Has it really been three years since we've been on podcast? It might have been longer. Well, where did you get three years from? Just a guess about rough periods of my life. You just guessed it, maybe. I was like, it was like two phases of my life ago. What was happening two phases of your life ago?

What was going on? Let's get into this. Two phases of my life ago. Into Rod. I mean, that was a verge phase. Yeah, oh, that was a bad patch. Wow. No, it was a great patch. It's get into this. Two phases of my life. I mean, that was a verge phase. Yeah, that was a bad patch. No, it was a great patch. It was a great time.

It was a great time to the verge. I'm going to tear up. Just thinking. You are. Yeah, I could. Also, I have a large glass of whiskey. Yes, Paul brought us a very large, unusually large glass of whiskey, which I think is pretty expensive too.

So, thank you, Paul. You're sweet, man. Anyhow, so you're think is pretty expensive too. So thank you, Paul. You're sweet, man. Anyhow, so you're getting teared up thinking about your time at the verge. Yes, the verge is a wonderful time. It was a wonderful time. We had a great time there.

Yeah. I looked back on it with fondness. But you said you were having some life problems. What was going on at the time? What didn't I know about? What was happening? No, no, I wasn't having life problems. I was just like,

Was it Sam? Was it the problem? Was that free Sam? Mm. It I was just like Sam. You see the problem Is that pretty Sam? It might have been pretty Sam. Really? Yeah dark times. I mean you and I weren't on the mic together that much I remember we did like some CES thing. Yeah We did Yeah, I was like and it was like a disaster because everyone was really sleep deprived. And drinking, probably.

And drinking. Yeah. That's what the fans craved. That's what they craved. Yeah, I guess so. I mean, I can't bear to watch it again, so I have no idea how it came off on the other end of the camera. Having recently listened to myself on this podcast, I think the best thing to do is to move

on. Well, you guys talked about thing to do is to move on. Well, you guys talked about me on a previous podcast. Last one. Paul Ford. Paul Ford and I just got to you. Yeah, I'm making fun of my dongle. No, yes. I have to know.

I have to know, and I still have no HDMI. You know, it's funny. It's making fun of my dongle. Making fun of my dongle is a funny thing. You know, this was the first time that I got retweeted by Jack Dorsey. What? Was when I was at Beta Beat, the New York Observer's Tech blog. I wrote this story.

It's a cool humble brag. Yeah, no big deal. Just the first time. The first of many times that I got to. No, but I got to. Retweeted by the Jack Dorsey. He's of course one of the creators of Twitter current Twitter CEO the founder of Square and As I like to think if him Steve Jobs too

The headline was Jack Dorsey's dongle growing in popularity. Yeah, you retweeted that What was the dongles the the square square? Yeah, so the what was it? What was some other times the Jack Dorsey is retweeted you? He liked this podcast that I did at Motherboard where I interviewed Talib Kuali about his Twitter fighting style. Oh, this was recently. This was recently, yeah, Talib Kuali is like tireless on Twitter and he engages at a very committed level. So I was kind of watching it from afar

and then finally I reached out to him to do the podcast and we just talked about like strategies for talking people on Twitter and like why he doesn't feel like it's totally pointless. Does he ever win? Yeah, he always wins. How? How do you win a Twitter? He's like, I mean, he comes from a family of lawyers and he's like a rapper and knows how

to say things succinctly. Yeah, but that makes him sort of like, that sounds like you, a facts are really how to say things succinctly. But that makes them sort of like, that sounds like you have facts are really important to them. Like, oh, those people just heard the facts, they might be like, oh, okay. Right. I mean, I think, yeah, I think he wins rhetorically. Like, maybe he doesn't always change minds.

But he can be like, I want this. But he can, he looks better, usually than the other person. Well, I don't know. I mean, I'll take your work for it. I was just amazed that he wasn't beaten down by the volume of it. Does he have a lot of followers? Like a million?

Oh yeah. I mean, not quite that many. He's over a million. Over a million. He must get into a lot of arguments. Oh yes. He just goes on kicks. Like he'll be on a like corporal discipline kick for a couple of weeks where he'll be talking

out like, don't hit your kids. Oh, yeah. And then he draws in new people to argue with. Do people hit their kids? Is that a thing that people do? Yeah. I think that's crazy. Some people think that you can do it in a way that it is an important part of disciplining your children.

Really? I guess so. I think it's, I mean, I feel like it's necessary. I'm not gonna tell other people how to parent, but I actually don't think that's parenting. I think that's child abuse. I think if you hit, I think if you hit,

that's crazy. That's such a strange lesson to teach someone, like that you can hit them to make them behave. Yeah. You can't do it with dogs and cats. Why would it work on people? I mean, you can them behave. You can't do it with dogs and cats. Why would it work on people? You can do it, but the message is not the right message. Like, obviously people respond to fear, but like.

But they don't respond to it as well. Like studies show. Why don't you shoot them a little bit? Just give them a little, you know, like a little like a, a graze, let it graze their leg. Just a little bit, just to see if you should let it be. Just to terrify them. It just shoot at the ceiling, it just would be scary, I think.

Let them know that if you want, you can lower the gun. Yeah. It's just psychological, it's a psychological thing. Just hit them with a sack of oranges. Were you hit as a child? No. No, your parents didn't, so I've your wife. Parents were really gentle.

Actually, my father is very passionate about corporal punishment, and he will speak to people in public. He likes it. No, no, he will call people out for hitting their kids and don't hit your kid. That's a bold move. And he's not usually very confident. Is he in the military? No. So he, so, so he sees somebody hitting someone. And he'll be like, don't hit your kid. And what is that? Because he finds that people sometimes will respond to being told not to hit their kid. And they're like, oh, I don't normally do that.

And they're mine. They're mine. They definitely normally do it. If you do it in public, it's definitely like second nature to you. So you don't hit Zelda. Oh, no, I hit her face. Whenever she crosses me, I slap her in the face.

It's hard. It's possible. No, the idea of that actually makes me want to start crying. Like, to be honest with you, just having said that out loud, I feel like curling into a ball and disappearing. Like, it is the most awful thing that I can imagine. Now, she can be very aggravating sometimes. I mean, normally she's...

What does she do that's aggravating? I mean, she's actually a really good kid. So there's very little... I mean, she's an amazing child. And I'm not just saying that because I'm her dad. Like I see other kids and they look like total maniacs. You know, one of the things that all that does is like, she, I'll give you an example.

Okay. At the risk of talking about my child on the podcast, yesterday we were driving in the car and we drove past a couple that was getting wedding photos taken in a park. And I was like, oh, it was a little bit of this married couple they're getting photos taken for their wedding. And I think she didn't see them in time because we drove past pretty quick and I sit up higher than she does. And literally for, I don't know, three hours, she was like, I want to see the married people. I want to see the married

people. We'd like to be a break in the car. And she'd be like, I want to see the married people. I want to see the married people. We'd like to be a break in the car and she'd be like, I want to see the married people. No, we went home and then we went somewhere else. We weren't, we were going on the other, in the other direction and it was like, she didn't start it until like, kind of until we left, we went to our house and then we left and then she started it.

So what do you think she's doing there? Do you think she actually wants to go see the married people? Do you think she wants to communicate something else to you? And no, you know what? I really don't know what she wanted. I think she wanted to see the people. I think she just heard me mention them. She got it in her head that it was interesting

and then she kept asking. And so we went to like a mall and then we, and she didn't say anything about it. And then we left them all in as soon as we got in the car. She was like, I wanna see the Mary people. And we're like, and we were trying to, like you try to reason with her. I'm like, you know, Lauren, I were like,

we don't know where they are. And we can't, we actually drove past the park again when we left the house to see if they were there. Oh wow. And they weren't there anymore. And so we're like, we don't know where they went and we don't know how to find them. And so we can't, and we're trying to like explain.

I wonder how long it will be before she forgets about this. Oh, she doesn't forget any. No, no, she doesn't, she's crazy. She's also Zeta has like, Laura has a very good memory. Like I would say bordering on photographic. Wow.

I have a bad memory like it, I'm like an Alzheimer's patient. I don't know what's going on. Like I'm living in the moment. Right. I may not remember that we even did this podcast tomorrow. Okay, that's fine. But, no, I probably will.

But, so Laura has like almost photographic memory. And I think Zelda has her memory. The Zelda has like a crazy, crazy like retention of information. It's like really outrageous to me. Like, and she'll bring stuff up from like three weeks before that you've completely forgot about. How old is she? Two and a half. Wow. She'll be like, you know, we'll be in the kitchen. She'll be like, where did the

star go? And you're like, oh, yeah, like we were playing with star stickers like two weeks ago. And we had to throw them in the garbage because they got dirty or something. And like, she's like, where did the star stickers go? Like that. She's going to have so much stuff in her brain by the time she gets to be like 15. So apparently like they forget all this stuff, which I find hard to believe because now there's like this thread Lauren. I've talked a lot about this when we were kids like you were like a little kid and there's no reminders. There's no artifacts.

There's like some photos, but there's a very interstitial like they're very like they're not like a ton of photos of you when you were a kid right now. She has this running narrative through the pictures we take, which she wants to see all the time. And so she remembers everybody in every character and we're like wanna look at pictures of them and recount situations that have happened.

And so I feel like her narrative is a lot stronger because it's reinforced by artifacts in a way that mine and yours probably was not. So that's kind of interesting because I would have said the opposite. For me, it's my memory, I feel like it's worse because I know I have this external storage of photos and text messages and emails that I can reference.

So I don't have to remember anything. But I mean, I think literally there's a thing that happens when kids get older, where they forget all of the stuff that happened when they were like one and two years old. And they. It's like their baby brain falls out. Yeah, basically. Well, they're just like,

there's so much new information coming in and stuff. But I don't know, it's hard to believe, it's hard to imagine that she will forget. About the stars and the Mary people. Just ran them thinking, like, she comes up with a random stuff too. Like the other day, we were driving and she's like, I don't like bridges. They just out of the blue. And we're like, why don't't like bridges. Like just out of the blue.

And we're like, why don't you like bridges? Like, because of the guys. And we're like, what guy? Oh my god. We can't tell. We can't tell she means like she saw some people on the bridge, she doesn't like, or she doesn't like. I think what she means is she didn't like the metal thing.

She was calling them guys. Cause we say like, oh, these guys are whatever. Yeah. And yeah, it's interesting. But how do we get on this topic? I don't know. You just started talking about Zelda. We were talking about core pro punishment.

I don't know, hitting kids. And so anyhow, yes. So Zelda can be aggravating sometimes, but the idea of doing anything physical to her is revolting to her. I can't imagine that ever doing that. Why do we start talking about hitting kids? We were talking about the podcast

that I did with Todd Qually, that Jack Dorsey. Oh, yeah hitting kids? We were talking about the podcast that I did with Talib Kuali that Jack Dorsey. Oh, yeah, he gets on a trip about Corporal Panna Trent. Yeah, and he's anti or pro. Oh, Anta. Okay, I'd be surprised and he could be yeah now anyhow. So Jack Dorsey's big fan. All the issues that Kirstie Alley is on one side of Talib Kuali's own. Yeah, Ryan, Ryan hates Ryan hates Kristi Ali. It's a well-established album. I'm also her biggest fan. So it's a love hate. It's kind of a frenemy. That must be very confusing for you.

A frenemy situation. Confusing for her actually. If he was telling us that he apparently did a lot of shit talking on Kristi Ali and then she retaliated on Twitter. It wasn't even shit talking. I just thought if I talk about what's the most absurd celebrity you could tell absurd stories about. And that was it. And she eventually got back to her that I was talking about her a lot.

It wasn't even me. It was just a lot. What did she say to you? She was like, hey, what's this? And like linked me to all these people writing my name. And I said, I'm a really big fan of yours. And she was like, really? And I was like, yeah, I talk a lot about you on this podcast that I do and I didn't

link her to it. And I was like, and I was like, I just love like, look who's talking. And I like, I mean, I was like, that actress is a good show. Is she in LeCou's talking? Uh-huh. Yeah.

And there's a sequel, right? Yeah, LeCou's talking to, or two. There's a, there's a, LeCou's talking to, and then there's another one which is like, guess. LeCou's talking now. It's like, is this how you know? I don't think she's in that one.

It's like, LeCou's talking now. I think it's like, the lamps. Everyone's still talking now. No, I think it's like, the lamps are talking in that one. Yeah. It was this crazy. Am I right? Am I wrong? Isn't it? It was like pets and then a baby. So annoying. Paul remembers. Paul worked on the soundtrack for that. Just kidding. I don't know where that came from. Paul doesn't like that joke. Anyhow, getting back to you. So we run a podcast on the verge three years ago. And this is the next one. Yes. It's weird. Yeah. It's been way too long. Yeah. Anyhow,

so now we're working together again. That's true. You're an editor at the outline. Uh-huh. That is true. Yes. You can confirm that? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. You can. It's out in the open. And we're working on an exciting new project. I was going to say hot new can. It's out in the open. And we're working on an exciting new project. I was gonna say hot new project. I don't know why. Yes, we're working on an exciting new project. And I have to tell you, so what was your title at the verge?

I don't remember before you left. Reporter. Reporter. But you were managing out of there at Motherboard. Yes. Prior to the outline, you were managing out of there on Motherboard. Correct.

Did you go to the role of managing out of there? Yeah. And at the verge, you're managing other mother board. Did you go to the role of managing out of there? Yeah. And at the verge, you did some editing. No. No, it didn't. I didn't. No, I actually, I edited one story that was written by a reader. It was a disaster.

It was a real disaster. It was very popular. Who was it? What was it? It was a story about this guy who couldn't get Comcast. He couldn't get internet service. And he lived, it was like, I live in the US and I can't get Internet service. And it was about the very odd monopolies that create very weird non-market conditions for

people to get Internet access or not get Internet. You also, as you're one of your final things at the verge, you did like a series on Comcast, which was all about like internal shenanigans. I wrote about nothing but Comcast for like a month. Yeah, you really burned them good. It was a lot. Anyhow, so, but when we were together,

yeah, you were writing mainly. Yeah, I was. And then I actually, honestly, I think the Comcast thing, it was. And then I actually, honestly, I think the calm casting, it was very, it was very adversarial. And we had, I had very, very close contact with the calm cast communications team during that series because it was like, it was a four part series. And we were like, we're coming out with a new part every week. And so it was like every week before the,

a couple days before the piece came out, I would call them to get comment. And so they knew it was coming, I knew it was coming. I was publishing a bunch of other stories in the meantime because there were a lot of readers who were following along with the series and then like Sennie and Documents and Concast has 100 gazillion ex-employees who are all really eager to talk about Concast.

Yeah, and so I was just writing a ton about them and like talking to their PR people all the time and the first story published in their communications person was at the office for some other unrelated thing. And so she came and confronted me at my desk. And the whole experience was just very relaxing. Oh wow, really? Yeah. At Vox. At Vox. And she was there for something I really, really. She already had some kind of meeting scheduled. Oh, I'm very uncomfortable. And she came and asked me like, she asked me if I had like a personal experience with concast that was like motivating my writing. Yeah, that's why reporters do it. They just have a bond. I know it was really, I was like, what possible like, I guess. Yeah, that's why reporters do it. They just have a bond. I know. I was like, what possible, I guess it's, I don't know.

It's hard to know. Why I heard people. Yeah, so anyway, writing stuff on the internet is really can burn you out. And I think that experience kind of burned me out a little bit. And so I was like, I want to try editing for a while. And then the job at motherboard came up. And I always liked them

because they were a little bit outside the work. Working. Working. Yeah. And then the mainstream. And the native area went to Motherboard and culture. And I don't know. Maybe it's just because maybe it's just because I follow Adrian, but I think more likely because she's very good at her job. I started reading Motherboard a lot more. I always, obviously, had it in my feeds and stuff. Yeah, Motherboard is great. They do a lot of good stuff. And recently, you were pointing to a story,

and you were like, this is a crazy story. And I was like, oh yeah, Motherboard broke that story, and has written 15 things about it. But because it's not very good at marketing itself, and just outside the way, just off in the corner a little bit. I think people don't always see that good stuff there. I think it's tough to because, you know, vice is a very overwhelming brand and voice.

And motherboard is parked on vice.com, which also means it's not accessible in any public Wi-Fi. Part of vice. It's part of it, so yeah. So it's like, it's like even though those stories are very unique in their own thing, in the multiple of the sphere, it feels like it's like,

you know, there's weird like psychological thing that happens when things are part of a bigger thing. Right. And it just is, I think sometimes it's harder to see the definition and the voice. Yeah. I don't know, that could be my own weird trip. No, I think that's definitely part of it. It's challenging. But anyhow, but what's

interesting is that we started working together again and because we have a more together for several years, like two years. Is that how long it's been? Is it maybe a little bit longer? Probably more like three years. No, is that long? Maybe. At any rate. Maybe right. But you're like kind of a different person. Not a different person, you're exactly the same. But like you've acquired all sorts of new skills and you've been doing all sorts of new things and it's very interesting to.

I think so definitely, like, I was saying before the last time that we sat on like, across from each other like this, I feel like was two phases of my life ago. Like you can kind of look back on your life and feel like, all right, this was this period and then it was marked by the critatious period and then it was marked by, you know, kind of like that.

And that was definitely like many phases ago. Are those phases defined by jobs? Yeah, for me they are. Is that it? Is this really merged by their boarded out of the outline? Yeah. Well, I hope the outline is the final phase for you. Um, the island is amazing. I hope you die for the age while being at the outline. That's my goal. It's for you to die while working at the

outline. Thanks for that. It's a very old person. Still blogging. Still right. You're actually working in a series about Comcast, right? Oh? Oh my God. No, so let's talk about... Okay, on Cast. Yeah, give us a call. On me. We have some stuff to talk about. No, so anyhow, so we were talking about this. We were on the train over here.

We were walking in here trying to figure out what we were going to talk about. And I wanted to talk about terrorism because it's some just happened in New York. Right. You wanted to talk about Trump. No. Yeah, you were like, let's talk about Trump as much as possible. That was sarcasm. And then anyhow. So.

So, should we take a quick break? Yep. Alright, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be back with more Adrian Dupers. This episode of Tomorrow with Joshua Tupulski, that's me. I'm Joshua Tupulski, don't let anybody tell you that they're me because that's not true. This episode of Tomorrow is brought to you by BrainTree developers around the world have embraced the BrainTree V.0 SDK as the easiest way to add secure mobile payments to their apps and websites. No matter what payment type, brain tree accepts it.

Apple Pay, Android Pay, PayPal, Venmo, credit cards, even Bitcoin, if you're that kind of person. And if something new pops up, they'll support that too. It's the same payment solution used by Uber, Airbnb, and GitHub. Just a few small companies, so you know that it scales. Integrating it into your app is as easy as inserting a few lines of code. But don't take my word for it, try out the sandbox and see for yourself at www.brainthreetpayments.com slash tomorrow. If you're looking for a professional vector design app, you should take a look at Autodesk

Graphic. Graphic is a full-featured app for making icons, illustrations, UI and UX designs, and everything else you'd expect in a professional vector design app. Open edit and save raster or vector images, layered Photoshop or Illustrator files, CSS, SVG, PDF, and just about any other file format you can think of. You can open an AI file and export it to clean CSS code or a web-ready SVG with just a few clicks. It's available on your Mac, on your phone, and even on your iPad, so you can design without compromise anywhere you go. This iPad app isn't a companion app for the desktop version.

It's fully featured design software that pros use to hand draw vector illustrations, create gorgeous logos, or mock-up websites on the fly. If you have an iPad Pro and Apple pencil, it's the vector design app you've been looking for to make your iPad Pro the device you use for design work you normally leave to your desktop. It's the last 2D design app you'll ever need and it's available for the price of a few decent stock photos. Visit graphic.com to learn more about Autodesk Graphic.

We'll check it out in the app store. We're back. We're back. Hi. With Adrian Jevres, who now likes to be called AJ, turns out. Yep. That's her new thing. So if you see Adrian on the street, definitely refer to her as AJ. I will respond.

I like it. I think it's cool. Let's talk about this. You're off Twitter. I don't understand what that means. So, I deactivated my Twitter account. Oh, you fully like you're like I'm it. I think it's cool. Let's talk about this. You're off Twitter. I don't understand what that means. So I deactivated my Twitter account. Oh, you fully like you're like I'm deactivated. Well, so if you are verified on Twitter, they will let you deactivate and come back anytime within 12 months. Indact. I did not know that. Yeah. so it's just like turning it on and turning it off and you know like Facebook is the same.

Why do you activate it? Because when I just let it, when I just look at it, not look at it. Because that's too tempting. I felt like I'm working on this stuff for the outline and I think there's a lot of group think that happens on Twitter and I started to feel like I was never going to have another original interesting idea Unless I diversified my sources of input So I decided to turn it off and see what happened. That's a great idea. I didn't so this by the way for the record

This is the first time we've ever talked about this. That's true. I did have no idea. I had no notice. I guess Well, look I follow I follow like a semi big deal about it. Did you where where did you make the big deal in the office on Facebook and LinkedIn Those are two places I don't look at basically. I barely ever look at Facebook as I think most people now do That's fine. Do a lot of people still look at face? I'm a personal website also. Did you? Well, so you are all of that. You're doing Jeffries.com? I don't know. I've never seen my website.

It's a very good website, honestly. It's never updated. It's really telling actually how hard it is to get information. Like if you're not looking at the right channel. Right. This is the tyranny of choice for experiencing. So anyhow, so I missed your announcement.

Okay. You wrote about this I did I wrote a little thing just so What do people say what do people say? They were supportive really yes, they're like you and they used to be People teased me who teased you other people on Twitter who are talking like we're talking about you on Twitter And you can't oh? Do anything about it. I guess I didn't. I mean, how long have you been off?

Um, not that long. It's like two weeks. Are you been off for two weeks? Yeah. How could you not have just told me about this? I need you to just say, oh, by the way, you know, I'm off Twitter. Josh is so mad you're missing his firetanks. I have the best tweet of my life.

Well, I mean, I actually referenced it a couple times and I think you just didn't realize that I was saying, like I was being literal. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like I'm off Twitter like for today or whatever. No. I had a great tweet last night and I had to tell you about it. Out loud. Yeah, well, so this is gonna be...

You know what I'm laughing? And I feel like I wonder if he knows what tweet I'm talking about. This is the one that I read aloud to John and then texted to my brother. George R.R. Martin's brooch gives him plus three charisma. Right, you said that the fucking little thing he was wearing when he walked up. You don't even understand.

I'm sorry, I hate, I'm sorry, Adriene. I know this has nothing to do with our conversation, but it's fine. Sort of does. I literally freaked out when I saw him. I was like, where's my phone, where's my phone? And it's just like, how do you spell brooch? I like Laura, how do you spell brooch? I like, Laura, how do you spell brooch? I like, luckily, she's a

photographic memory. Luckily, she's a photographic memory. She knows how to spell every word. There's never a question in our, in our house. And yeah, I was so excited. But then I realized like, unless you saw it, like if I had a screen grab with it, it would have been perfect. But I don't think I don't think. A screen grab of his, of him. Georgia, I'm always wearing like a black suit and had this crazy like huge like metal bro, chau. Oh yeah. Why didn't you take a picture of the TV? There was no time. I had to get it. No, it was still funny because John was in the kitchen when it happened and I was reading a lot of the funniest tweets and I read that to him and I like ran in and I was like,

Josh just deleted this like a month. That makes me so happy. Yeah. You don't even know. Anyhow, but you know, this is good. This is where I was hoping that you would kind of He did this like a monster that's a that makes me so happy. Yeah, you don't even know anyhow This is good. This is where I was hoping that you would kind of fill me in on what I miss because I have been feeling a little bit left out Twitter is a horrible shit. What's been going on my timeline from beginning to end? What's the last tweet of my new? What's the true? Let me let me read you then before that I predicted the Courtney be vance would now um I Nothing's going on on Twitter The internet is a total shit would know um i uh... nothing's going on on twitter

the internet is a total shit with the terrorist but the terrorist attack here's what he was going on so on on on so there's a bunch of wrong facts so obviously well not really that bad i don't think there were a ton of they were like it's a gay person who's attacking because of that tumblr page they blamed it on and see it was the second terrorist attack in a row we've been blamed for that we didn't do so Can the gays just chill out?

Stop doing terrorist attacks. That's what I say to all my gay friends. I'm like, please don't do any terrorist attacks Listen, I know you want to Is that a thing? I see I totally miss that narrative Twitter I was just like I heard about it like one hour after it happened and I just went to the New York post story. There was a Tumblr page. That was like a fake manifesto and it was like, gay people are treated wrong and so I'm gonna bomb to teach everybody how that worked. So I'm gonna bomb a house for the blind. No, it was like honestly, I was weird time about this today. The targets are really strange. Like that's kind of not a very good area to...

I mean, if I'm gonna do terrorism... This is hard to escape. I might be indicted myself right now. If I was gonna do some terrorism, I would not choose 23rd and 6th. Well, one of the bombs didn't work because someone stole the suitcase because it's not a great area to bomb. Yeah. I guess in a way...

What is this? This is a nice suitcase. In a lot of time! Basically, that's what happened, I think. And the way I'm happy that, I mean, there were people who were injured and that's horrible, and I'm obviously very upset about there being any bombs in New York. But I was saying today, I feel like people

seem more relaxed today, because I feel like in New York, we're always waiting for someone to do a terrorist attack now. It's like, oh, it's only a matter of time before some terrorist blows something up in New York. And it's like, oh, okay, finally, there was a bomb. And you know what? Everybody is doing okay. Like, we didn't, nobody really got terribly, I mean, it could have been a lot worse. It's obviously shitty, a shitty thing to have that happen. But comparatively to other terrorist things that have happened in other major cities, like, well, like the Boston marathon versus those marathon bombs.

Yeah, or Paris versus a bomb here. It's like, we're very, very lucky that apparently we've got a needy at terrorists who sucks at his job. But no, Twitter was a mixture. My Twitter was a mixture of people citing news reports like Fox News was like New York in a panic, New York thrown into terrorist panic, that kind of stuff. You know, the front page of the daily news

is like bomb attack and then, you know, it was like, if you looked at it and you were like, from another country and you just happened by it, you would have been like, oh my God, there's a horrible terrorist attack that they blew up all of New York. And like, meanwhile, people in New York were like, this area is not really considered Chelsea.

Like they're like, they're like, correcting like people. Wait, what is it considered? 20th and 30th? I don't know. It was like a flat iron. Yeah, it's flat iron. Our old man's land.

It's basically no man's land. It's like, you know, the tech service over there. That's where the tech service is. Where tech service used to be. Maybe they were like protesting, the guy's protesting the tech service. I mean, we want techs are back. It was better than the Apple store.

But, but I wanna go that far, but Anyhow you didn't miss anything a Twitter. Yeah, it's not good. No, there must have been more than that though. I mean there were Yeah, there was a lot of Trump and Joe's and okay, Trump found Trump things people had opinions about that He bore very upset about Fallon having Trump on and I think you know, it was a back wasn't just that he had a mon It was that he had a month was like eight so it was like softballs on it. I think, you know, it was a bad... It wasn't just that he had him on. It was that he had him on. It was like, hey. So it was like softballs. Yeah.

I think it was not good. I was feeling his hair. I said, like, it would have been amazing to have him on and have a total softball conversation. And then at the end, just drop some crazy, like, thing about how he's racist. Like the last person. And why not?

Yeah, right. I guess he could become president. I don't think that's the reason. And then Fallon will never interview the president. I don't know the reason actually I mean obviously I don't I have no idea But I do think that like if you're gonna have Donald Trump on any broadcast you need to ask him some at least one hard question That's just one man's opinion. What would your question to Donald Trump? God, there's so many fucking questions down. What do you think would be the most? If I get one question?

Mm-hmm I don't know what I would ask. But do you pick the question that goes to his biggest narrative? Probably something like every presidential candidate since the 7 years. Where's your tax returns? It's really tax returns. You say you're an incredible businessman. You've had a lot of success in business.

I see it. If you're going to lead the American people, the American people need to have some knowledge of like what your financial stand is and how you've done in business and how you know what your wealth is and you should really, you know, why don't you release them? I mean, I think that would be the, that would be the, you'd want to find a way to get him to get cornered on that question. I mean, there's a million things you could say to Donald Trump.

What would you ask if you could ask one question? I don't know. I really don't. You don't even want to try and ask him. I mean, I think he could, like, I've, what would you ask if you could ask one question? I don't know. I really don't. You don't even want to try it on the nation. I mean, I think he could, like, if I were given the opportunity to ask him a question, I would like, for weeks and weeks, examine transcripts and video material and figure out like what hasn't been asked and what it hasn't been spun, what would be most likely to actually get something substantial.

I don't know, you'd have to ask something really hard, right? I don't know. I mean, one question would not be enough for Trump. But I'm sure we'll get a chance once he sworn in his president. Yeah. Of the United States. Are you planning on staying in the country if he becomes president? Oh, this is outline thing. I don't know. Do you want to become like a, we can do a Canadian thing. Yeah.

I think that wouldn't be the worst an expatriate. Can we keep can they keep Trump out of Canada? Is that possible? Physically probably right? He probably would invade that's the kind of thing he would do right just like they try to keep him out of Scotland in the UK because of that golf course deal they were they? They were like, he's a scam artist or something and then it went on to come back. That sounds right. So anyhow, you quit Twitter. Yeah. And you were supposed to tell me everything's going on.

I said you just told me everything that's in my RSS feed. There's nothing going on. I mean, what does have down Twitter is people opining. I had a tweet the other night. It was like all the bad ideas all at once. It was like, that's what Twitter is. That's their new, should be all at once. It was like, that's what Twitter is. That should be the new slogan. It was like everybody's first thing that they think of

without any editing or any thought spewed into the universe for other people to see. There's this really funny parody video that is like a trailer for a fake Twitter movie that was done in the same style as the Facebook movie, social network, and they're like, what if you could invent a social network that approximates writing on a bathroom wall? Which is what Twitter is. I mean, it's very bad. The election has made everything very bad. It's brought out an incredible uglyness in this country. And it as a result.

A solution divided. Well, yeah. People divided. I think where it is like a really strange time. I think that I do think the internet has a lot to do with it. I also think Obama being president has an enormous amount to do with the way people are acting in this country. I think that like the worst of the worst traits of white Americans are coming through in a way that is like really, really ugly. And it's like this fear, this xenophobia and this fear of the unknown and this like, basically, like racist, I mean, just pure racism that is under, that underlies like a lot of our country and our existence here. And it's just really ugly. And it's expressed really horribly on Twitter. I feel like it's like Gamergate.

It's like the nation's Gamergate. Well, Gamergate is a, Gamergate is a really a product of the same sentiment. I mean, Gamergate is like, has risen in the era of the Obama era. I mean, I think the two things are pretty connected. I think those, well, with Gamergate, it was like, the theory was that it was it was the death of an identity where you were this sort of socially awkward, uncooled person, but you had your club, and then that club

got invaded by girls. I think, yeah, but I think Gamergate is about, you covered it, I assume, a bunch at Mother Board, right? We did. I mean, Gamergate is about the same feeling, which is like something's being taken away from you that should be yours, which is like white men feel like they're having things taken away from them,

and so they're lashing out at the people that they think are responsible for having those things taken away. I think that's like the easiest way to sum up the current narrative in America, which is like white people have suddenly seen the future and the future is they don't run everything. And that's like at the core of their existence, the scariest thing possible.

Because all the white men have done, particularly white men have done for thousands of years is like fought to maintain power and control people. And now like that's all slipping away from them because like that's not the way the world looks anymore. And it's not the way the world looks anymore. And it's not the way it works anymore. And so everything is a trigger point for these guys. Like everything. Like Obama is just like welling up.

I mean, it started with Sarah Palin and John McCain and has never stopped since then. I mean, her rallies were like total shit shows. I mean, you know, you don't remember, like people were bringing like guns to Sarah Paylon rallies and stuff. Doesn't seem like, like you kind of forget about it. But this shit was going on back then.

And now it's just like managed like manifest itself. And merged. She really flamed out though. She flamed out because she's a fucking loser who sucks, it doesn't know anything. And she was always a loser. She was always a loser. That's not always a recipe for finding out though.

Sad, yeah, she's like a proto-Trump. I mean, I think the best thing to say about her, she's like a proto-Trump. Yeah, she didn't have the Adirons sociopathy required to keep the train going. Yeah, but, but, you know, you look at like, I mean, look at Game Regate, you've got a Game Regate, but look how Game Regate intersects with like the,

with the alt-right, which is the wrong way to describe it, but whatever these people are, and then Milo, Yon and Apples, or whatever, how are you pronounce the last name of the world? I just read this Bloomberg profile of him, which people need to stop doing profiles of him because he's had nobody. He's a shithead who sucks,

that's the best way to describe him as a shithead who sucks. He's not talented, he's not good at anything, he's not smart. That girl who did the Milo profile, he also wrote that really bad troll cover story for time. Pretty sure it was the same guy. Maybe. And anyway. Well, anyway. No, go ahead and bring us up.

He's bad. But he's a bad guy, but also he doesn't. He was doing, I heard the second hand, that he was doing, he did an appearance on Milo's podcast while he was reporting that He was doing, I heard the second hand that he was doing, he did an appearance on Mylis podcast while he was reporting that story. Oh really? Yeah which seems weird. It is weird.

He got too cozy. Mylis very charming. He let the charm draw him in. I don't know what happened. I don't give a shit how charming he is. Anybody can say anything that they want, but that doesn't, that's not like a good reason for us to listen to them.

Did you see that TV interview with him where he was like on a park bench and he just, like, they just showed unadded footage of him and he just, he's got like his, it doesn't blink and he's just like, excuse after, excuse after, excuse for his behavior and it's like, he doesn't even need prompting at this point. I mean, I just think that he's a non entity. He's a no one. He's a weave. He's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, I have that he's a non-entity, he's a nobody. He's a weave. He's like a...

Also off Twitter. He's like, and I have that in common. Also off Twitter. And by the way, if everybody would just stop doing profiles of him, he would go away. There's no more power that he can exert. He has nothing but a bunch of... Do you think he's building up to one day, have a change of heart? And that'll be...

I think he's building up to whatever... He'll just milk the alt-right thing yeah I think it until it like runs out of power and then he'll have a change of heart and like people will be so excited that he'll he'll get a new well his stance his stance is garbage like the stance of all like modern like these modern trolls like weave is a good example where I mean the things they say are racist and are sexist and all the other things and they probably do believe them because like it's like fun and easy to like do the worst things or think of the worst things that come to mind and then say them out loud because that's what babies do you know basically yeah um but like deep down their

thing is like it's chaos and we're just poking at, yeah. The nihilists are a big part of the Trump contingent, at least on the internet. Yeah, but these are guys raised on anime. Like, they're not real people. They're like, they are really, I mean, they are really truly like the, that weird idea of like the internet troll who's like, lives in his mom's basement.

It's like very weirdly, perfectly tracks with these people. And it's like not like a little bit. They actually have a lot of the traits of the kind of classic sad troll loser. Right? And the thing is, it's like, so Milo, yeah, you're both off Twitter. The Twitter's a shit show.

You're not missing anything over there. Yeah, I do feel like when you wrote your Twitter is over thing That's a letter. It was it was a death of Twitter. Yeah, I need to have line Nick Thompson to the headline. I can't be how responsible Well, I can be how to a little bit responsible. I was just gonna say I thought it was pretty precinct I've been like I don't know Twitter was always the most fun thing to me. It's just like scary now. It used to be a lot of fun. I'm just like terrified, I'm gonna say something

and then a mob is gonna come after me. So that's the thing, it used to be fun and interesting and there used to be like a pretty good amount of conversation happening on it, but now like the tensions are so high, but like the reality is, the election has made everything high tension. Like the election has made everybody on edge,

and like I do think there's to be a real, we're going to have a real cold water on our faces after this election is over. Yeah. Well, it's like even if Trump doesn't win, he's still galvanized a segment of the population and they're still going to be here and they're still going to feel the same way. Well, isn't the fear that he'll make a media organization like Fox News and just keep the parade going? Yeah.

That is the fear. That is a speculation. I feel like that's not that substantially. I don't think I feel like that has been substantiated that you've actually been doing that. I mean, he's got a really good argument, right? Like the media didn't give me a fair shake and they're all corrupt and we need to alternate. Yeah, I really just wonder,

when people say they don't trust the media, like how does that question break down? Are they just being asked, do you trust the media? And then people are like, oh, I don't trust it. Are they like, do you trust the New York Times? Do you trust CNN? Do you trust Fox News?

Well, now there's just, well, you just trust the sources that say the things that you feel are most true. You already agree with? Yeah, which is like an easy thing to say, but which is why the outline will agree with whatever you think. That's our plan. It's not for everyone. All right.

It's not for everyone. It's for you, especially if you agree with us, and I think you will, because we agree with you. No, I do think it's like a problem. We have this view from nowhere, view from everywhere, view from nowhere, problem, where CNN has to pretend like they're neutral, so they hire Trump's campaign guy. Is that them trying to pretend like they're neutral or is that just a ratings like both? I think it's both. Yeah, I think it works either way. I mean, do you have cable? I do. I hardly ever watch it. We watched it for the first time in ages last night for the M.A. And is that way have it because there are live award shows. I don't know why we have it. We got it because like I wanted to have television.

We got it because like I wanted to have television like live television and We hardly ever use it. I find it very annoying. I find trying to watch anything Pretty much trying to watch anything really annoying like watch anything live or just anything at all Anything at all. It's all a video. It's really annoying Netflix video of any kind very annoying. I mean like There's no thread in a way like it gets better when you have fewer options because it's like, if you're watching a show, unless it's like, oh, that's the Netflix show and all the stuff is available right now on Netflix. Like, you know, there's like, okay, here's an example.

So FX is a network on cable, right? Right. So FX has shows that are available on some of them are on Hulu, some of them are on Netflix, some of them are on Amazon. Some of them are on Amazon. Some of them are in the FX app, which you can now get for your Apple TV. Okay. And some are obviously they're available to buy on iTunes on your Apple TV as an example.

And even channelized they have FX, FX, FX, M. And I think they actually have separate apps for some of those at any rate. So let's say you want to find a show. So it's not like there's no universal search for this. Like the action. That's coming, isn't it? Oh, I don't know.

Is it Apple could have created universal search 100 times over? They have said Roku has that? Roku, it doesn't work that well. Also Roku, really? Come on, do you use Roku? He used to, he says he used to. Max bucks one's kind of okay in it.

It's fine, okay fine. You know what, maybe there's better solutions, but I'm seeing for an average, for an average Joe like myself, for just a regular guy. And he has, this is very important. So the problem is, is he bitching, is it me, this is me? That you. You don't want to try and put me. The problem is, that you can't find a show.

I thought you were saying that you were just annoyed by watching everything, which I think is a very interesting. I am, I am. It's very hard to watch anything, and to find anything, and it's like an unenjoyable experience. And,

DBRs are kind of funny too, because at this point in like technology, I'm 30 seconds off on the end of it, and now I gotta go on demand and let it play and through the commercials to get to the I can't fast forward or rewind. I have to pre-set things. I'm like I we pay $160 a month for all this HBO everything Netflix Hulu. There's so many watch the fucking John Binay thing. The TV thing is crazy. What's the job of making that whole ecosystem documentary? A CBS did a documentary and then like 20 other people did like three networks to documentaries in a rush but CBS is a good one and it was who did it?

It was okay. Oh Who did it? I think the theory is Burke the brother. I'm very into this so we could you sure that she didn't grow up She's still alive she grew up and became Katy Perry You haven't seen that theory. Oh my God, I'm going to show you the picture. I'm Twitter because I missed it. I bet people would live tweeting the Jean-Banay Ramsey documentary. I'm sure they were. It was counter programming to the Emmys. It's a problem. Oh really? Oh, that's what was going on. I just watched it this morning and it was great. But why you would counter program program John. I can't imagine that. That seems like a lot of cross over there for the OJ fans.

I have to say that one of those depressing things in the world sounds like watching the documentary about John but they ran me during the day. That's me. Oh, it was the best day ever. It was raining. It makes me so bummed out to think about it. It was so good. That's like a really bummer thought.

This is what happens on your freelance. Okay. You haven't seen when you're freelance. Okay. You haven't seen these pictures? Oh, wow. I think it's pretty obvious. Think about it. She was groomed as a pageant star. Huh?

Boom, slam dunk. I mean, it's not true, but it's true. There must be some renderings of like what Jambanae would look like. Yeah, fucking Katy Perry. 25. That's what reddit.com business model. That's what business model is.

Right, yeah. That's what all the subreddits are for. Do you read you read it though? You're not a Twitter but you look at Reddit. Um, I don't, I haven't been looking at Reddit. I can say the more I think about this, the more I think it's irresponsible for you to not be on Twitter.

Not be on Twitter. From a, as a, as a, as a, as the CEO of the, of the end of the end of the end of the end of the end of the timeline. But then how do you know what three fictional characters describe all her friends? I mean, I just say, I feel like you need to be looking at what's going on in Twitter. You think so.

You gotta have your finger on the pulse of the diamonds in Florida. I really never got a gun. Nine social network. Well, that's why she's on the internet. Do you look at Facebook? No. Do you look at LinkedIn pulses at. Do you look at LinkedIn Paul's is that your thing?

Yeah, LinkedIn. No, I just, I post a LinkedIn, but I don't consume things on LinkedIn. Lauren, I were talking about this thing that this, but for like, mindless entertainment, Snapchat. I'm not, I don't really find that very entertaining. Maybe you aren't connected to the right people. No, I don't have friends. I think that's part of the problem.

I think you have to enjoy Snapchat. You have to have friends. Yeah, but there are also people. We're friends on Snapchat. There are also people that you can follow on Snapchat who are like Snapchat people. Maybe, maybe I should do that. They don't have a good discovery tool, do they?

They don't really make it easy to find the book. No, everything is awkward on Snapchat. Yeah. That's kind of the charm. That's cool. That's part of the charm. Yeah. I do want to make it too easy.

You don't want the moments of Snapchat. Laura, and I were talking about the study that somebody did recently that basically said that social networks are dying really rapidly. Oh, interesting. And I feel right to me. Dying, they're all dying. Like, like, there's, like, there's, nothing they're all gonna die suddenly or whatever.

But I do feel like there's some, at some point you just, like, this level of noise is untenable for most people. Like, it doesn't feel comfortable. You like it. I feel like this is a pretty meaty topic. Tell me more about the study what did it say exactly. I don't know, I didn't read it. But I think the data was suggesting

that they're dying faster than we thought. So you feel like it's just people figuring out what's for them and not for them? Like everyone made it to their account. But it's like we're're all into L.O. Right, well for a while there was this narrative, like there was only gonna be one. Like there was only gonna be one winner.

And it was gonna be Facebook or Google Plus or Twitter. And now it's- No, we thought it was gonna be Google Plus. No, no one really thought that. Yeah, it could be Google Plus. I don't think so. But it was for a while people thought like all the, like it was a zero sum game

and all the social networks weren't competition and now it seems much clearer that people are going to be on some and people are going to skip some others and people will be like are you on Instagram? You're like no one's napjet and it's just going to be like that. I guess that's possible. I just think that there's something very fatiguing about the process. But the whole thing. Maybe we're just getting old. No, that's, I, that's. I am at the point where I'm like,

oh, an app. That's what you want me to download it. But I don't think, but I don't think that's just you. No. I think that you are, you are getting older, that's the fact as am I. Right. But I also think that there is something fatiguing about,

I mean, I mean, I'm sure I've used this description before, but like, you know, ecstasy only works for so long, and then like you don't have the chemicals you need for the drug to work. Like, it just like all the serotonin in your brain, just like. Yeah, and like you can take more,

you can take more, but it's never the way it was like when you took the first pill. And like, and that's like, that is the arc of all of these things, in my opinion. Traditionally, tech and music is built on this idea of tension and release. It's like this build up and then something happens. I don't know. My God, it's so exciting.

I think that there's this ebb and flow, I think, in technology. We've had this, I've talked about this a bunch, but, you know, it's been an explosive decade of crazy new shit. And that's an unsustainable, it can't just always be crazy new shit. It's like at some point, the iPhone's just a fucking phone. Like now. Yeah, and I heard you say this before and I kind of disagree where you,

I feel like you felt like the past five to 10 years is a really exciting time for technology. And I feel like it was a less exciting time for technology because it was like, there was the iPhone and it was all derivative of the iPhone. And all the ways, everybody is cataloging, all the things that's exciting. But that's this period.

I agree, but I think that's born out of the same era of this kind of technology. You think Tesla can't be a problem? Well, I think things like in huge infrastructure things like that are really big changes like Uber or Airbnb You've been like seamless came from smartphone apps. Those are true. No, that's right But a lot of it seemed like started in 1999. Okay, that may be true I mean maybe seamless is like web 1.0 but it didn't matter until you had these phones in your hand and like a lot of stuff stems from that

Like the way the way, you're hungry. The way people make music, the way people meet each other, the way we move around cities, the way where we stay when we go places. But now, but look, Tesla isn't. But next phase is much more exciting and interesting, but it's much bigger. It's different.

Go ahead, what were we gonna say? Well, it's just the difference between like convenience technologies of convenience and technologies that are like really sci-fi. Well, that's the next fate, but the sci-fi technologies are harder and slower and weirder and they're not consumer. You know, like when people are talking about like mining asteroids, it's like That's awesome when it happens and we'll have all sorts of incredible like Hopefully it's incredible benefits to humanity, right? But like you're not talking about something as like simplistic or just consumer-facing Versus like Nintendo consoles. There are things that are consumer-facing

Pack that I just meant like something that people were like slowly it was happening over the course of decades where people were getting home computers and maybe logging on to like, you know, a CompuServe or whatever and slowly that was happening. We're in the short term people were like, I bought a duck hunt and that's changed whatever and it's like that's not the long game. The long game here is not duck hunt. Well, but that's the fun like WhizzBang in the moment. Yes, but that's the fun like Whizbang in the moment. Yes, but I think that we're just and like iOS 10 I message stickers are the Whizbang in the moment and the long game is like self-driving cars Yes, that's right And then and there is just total incremental innovation in a lot of the things where we've come to expect more

Monumental and important information innovation and there's also like self-driving cars are consumer facing and they're happening, but they aren't as accessible as the iPhone. Like when the iPhone came out, I was working at a restaurant and like everybody who was in the restaurant that day dining had the iPhone, and everybody who was like bossing tables of the restaurant that day had the iPhone. Nobody was talking about anything but the iPhone. It was the Coca-Cola of fans. It was like, it was just like, it was everywhere. I remember walking past one table and there was some, they were just like running of things to say about and when guys were like, Wayne and his hand, he was like, it's not heavy but it felt light either.

I got lost. No, but this is what I'm saying. Okay, so self-driving cars are like way more sci-fi and it's like, it's like that feeling of like, I'm in the future, you get that more from- But they don't exist. Self-driving cars, I mean, they do exist. They exist, but not to- They exist in Pittsburgh right now. They're being tested, but not to-

But not to- It's not like everybody in the restaurant on both sides of the table is gonna get access to that kind of thing at the same time. Right now, there's- I think the way to think about it is. There's like gene editing technology that will make your head explode if you think about it too hard,

but it's only relevant to a small number of people who have like certain conditions that can be treated with it. I think the way to think about it is also about, is about our understanding. It spreads more slowly. It spreads more slowly and we know a lot more about it before it actually becomes a thing. Like the iPhone, this idea of,

you know, this mobile computing idea, it was like one day it didn't exist. And the next day it did. And everybody just read it with it. And then a few months later you had it. It was like in your hand or in your pocket. Self driving cars are like, they didn't, they existed a little bit a little while ago.

We've been adding some things a bit to cars that had helped a little, a kind of like, Tesla's can kind of self-drive now. It was like Google who was doing it first. And when I first read about it, I felt like that's gotta be 20 years off. And it was only five years off. Well, but now it's still in like testing somewhere.

It wouldn't be like, like the years old. Well, but now it's still in like testing somewhere. It wouldn't be like, the equivalent would be like, if Honda had a big press conference, they're like, all of our cars for 2017 will be completely self-driving. And you no longer have to worry about driving your car down the road. And then everybody in 2017 was able to go by a Honda that just drove itself.

That's like the iPhone moment. But that moment doesn't happen. It isn't happening. It's something like VR. There are incredible things That's like the iPhone moment. But that moment doesn't happen and isn't happening. Same thing with VR. There are incredible things being done for the future. It's just a very different, the pace of innovation in the way this kind of innovation, these really large scale infrastructure things,

these really large scale projects, Tesla's idea about energy and the future in cars and solar power. Those are all amazing, but they are long, slow processes. They'll have to fast. But so all of this stuff happened really fast right when the iPhone came out and then maybe the next year when Apple figured out that it made sense to open up the app store.

But then for like 10 years, tech bloggers just dragged all of that trend out. And it was like all these happy startups. That's true, but some of the good, but some of the good, every new derivative, like marginal, marginally different phone that came out was like. Well, that's one of the things that's unsustainable.

I think. Being agonized over. Well, just like, also technology has hit kind of up, there's a parody, you know, where it's like, there was a point where, you know, only one company made a micro-four thirds camera, and you're like, well, this is crazy. They've got this like, you know, it's kind of like a pro camera and a tiny size.

But now like everybody makes those and you can buy them anywhere and it's like whatever, right? Like all of those things that were very new and exciting, it's like VR, which is new and exciting, it's still not a consumer, really a consumer product. I mean Samsung has ads for it on TV but like do you know anybody who's a like a normal consumer who's been like yeah I just got the Samsung VR headset no definitely not although there was some package where Samsung was giving people who bought a new phone yeah the Galaxy Note 7 yeah the gear they're still doing

it now yeah wait is that the one they exposed oh my god it could explode on your face yeah I saw I saw a story today that the market. I saw a story today. That's very good. I saw a story today that was sort of insinuating that some of the Samsung Galaxy Note 7s that exploded in China were like not from the battery. They're like, we think it's from an external source. Which sort of is like insinuating it. It's like that people were faking it

or that something else was causing it. But I just think I just say, I'm not saying this happened, but it would be a brilliant piece of sabotage or somebody were too like getting on that supply chain for the Note 7. Tim Cook. Tim Cook got in there.

Wow. I said this before I think it's like, I mean he's got, he certainly has the connections if you wanted to mess up Samsung. Actually, they're in Korea, so it'd be pretty tough for him. Is there manufacturing in Korea? Samsung?

You know, a lot of it is. I think most have some Chinese factories. I had this agency phone once, and once I reset it, and it reset to Taipei, like the time zone was in Taipei. Yeah. I was like, oh, I was thinking about home. That's very cute, that's adorable. All right, so anyhow, we should wrap up soon.

We need to wrap up soon. Let's talk about some parting thoughts from you. Let's figure out, let's take stock of this conversation. You're not on Twitter, you're going to get back on. Yeah, maybe I'll get on so that all your listeners who don't know who I am can follow me there. I think you need to. Okay, for work. Okay, I don't want I don't want to fill you in on Twitter every day. I don't have to be like, you literally what happened I got to take a mic George R Martin joke. Well, you know, I when I when I was growing up my parents were hippies and they didn't have TV. And I feel like I missed a huge chunk of culture that I would just never be able to catch up on with other people in my age. That's good because you turned out pretty interesting.

I guess so. Right? Yeah. I mean, my parents were pretty weird, but they weren't hippies, but we definitely didn't get to do a lot of the stuff that other kids got to do. Did you have television? We had television, but we didn't hit based, but we definitely didn't get to do a lot of stuff that other kids got to do. Did you have television? We had television, but we didn't have cable for a long time, and also I don't think my parents let us watch a lot of stuff.

Like we basically could only watch kids shows. Okay. We were also weren't allowed to eat sugary cereal. Oh my God, same. I never had that in terms. Cheerios, oh we talked about this a little bit. Yeah, cheerios were like the cereal. Maybe once in a while we get like honey nut Cheerios.

So, but the last thing in fact is that I still love Cheerios. Cheerios are amazing. And also, if there's a TV on in the room, I can't not pay attention to it. So you think it's impossible to tune it out? Actually damaged, yeah. I mean, it's had had a lot of complicated effects, I think, that we are still studying today. Do you think that's, all of us are still studying? Do you think that's why you've become a fan of the show Cheers? I think I became a fan of the show Cheers

because of the paralysis of choice that happens when you're like, what should we watch tonight? And there's more than one person involved. And there's also the entire catalog of Netflix and Hulu. Yeah. Amazon. So you're watching of Netflix and Hulu. Yeah. And Amazon. So you're watching, you and Sam are watching cheers. So usually the default is just, okay, we'll watch cheers.

How many episodes of cheers do you watch in the evening? Like one to three at a time. Yeah. Who's your favorite character on cheers? Woody Harrelson. That's not a character. Woody. Yeah, that's right.

The bartender. Which is last name on the show. I don't know. Which is Woody's last name? Woody's not a character. Woody. Yeah, that's right. The bartender. Which is last name on the show. What is Woody's last name? Woody Boyd. Boyd Boyd. That's right. That's silly right.

Is he still dating Kelly on the show? Not yet. They didn't start dating yet. Yeah. Oh, spoiler alert. Oops. There's no such thing as a spoiler in Cheers. It's coach.

It's not really about the plot. Is coach still pretending bar? It's about turning off your brain. Spoiler alert. No, I'm past that part. You only ruin it. What do you replace this coach? Oh, that's right. Cause coach dies. Oh my God. Sorry. Well, you didn't know about that on that note. I'm sorry guys. Okay, so Adrian, you're going to hear a lot more from Adrian because she's not going anywhere. Yep. I let her out of my sights once. It's're going to hear a lot more from Adrian because she's not going anywhere. Yep.

I let her out of my sights once, it's never going to happen again. It sounds vaguely threatening. It does. Well, we're the outline making stuff together and it's very exciting. Yes. Coming soon to a website near you. To a web browser. To a web near you.

It's a very exciting time for both of us. And Adrian, I'm very glad that you're first that you were first up that you were available to do this podcast. Yeah, thanks for having me on. Cause I've been wanting to have you on. And I'm actually shocked that it's been so long since we've been on a show together. But also like, I'm just excited

that we're hanging out again. Me too. It's just like a lot of fun for me. I love to be surrounded by old friends. Right on. That sounded insincere, but it was not, I swear. You like to go where everybody knows your name? I do like to go, that's very true, just like the, just like coach up in heaven.

And yeah, I think you should leave there. You're so mean. I'm a nice guy. A lot of people like me. Thank you for doing this. Definitely, it was pleasure. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow. And as always, I wish you and your family the very best.

Though, unfortunately, your family has been misbehaving and I'm going to have to use corporate punishment. you