Tomorrow - Episode 72: TC Sottek's Corner of the Sky

Episode Date: October 4, 2016

This week Josh sits down with one of our favorite guests, managing editor of The Verge TC Sottek. Here are some tidbits we learn about TC: -He has never seen The Voice. -He doesn't like video games that incorrectly portray DC. -He cancelled his HBO. -He hates snowmobiles, mostly. -He's suspicious of your sea colony. How could you dare miss a conversation like this? Great your PSP Vita and your breakfast biscuits... because we're off to episode 72! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to tomorrow I'm'm your host Josh Wattipolki. Stay on the podcast and we discuss Christina Aguilera smoking and volcanoes. I don't want to waste one minute, so let's get right into it. I guess today is a man I've known a long time and I've loved a long time. He's the managing editor of the verge.com out small website you may have heard about and he's also someone that I like to consider a good acquaintance. Of course I hear about TC Sotic or as he prefers his name is pronounced SOTEC. TC thank you for being so tech. Yeah. Since the third grade of my ad. Sorry. Yeah. That's all right. I'm sorry. Listen.

That's people nag my identity. It's the end of a long gonna have. Sorry. Yep. I'm sorry. Listen. That's people nag my identity. It's the end of a long day. I haven't seen TC since probably the last time he was on the podcast. Is that right? It's been a while. I think it's been a while. I think it's been a while.

Well, last year is, I mean, that just means that it was in a period prior to this period. Really, what do you think about it? I mean, what does last year mean? Means 2015. Yeah, I don't know. That's guess that's possible. We wanted to do a wine cast with Katie Drummond. Total disaster. Our old wine casting partner in crime.

But she said, and I quote, fuck you guys, you're dead to me. That does sound like Katie. It was very rude and very hurtful. Katie's way of saying, I love you. That's right. Her way of saying, I love you, is saying, I hate you, which I like. Anyhow, Katie's not here, but we decided to soldier on

because you and I clearly will have a lot to talk about on her own. We discovered prior to recording that we, neither one of us have anything to actually talk about. So this is going to be a very free form. In video games right now. You know what I, you know what's funny is I had this feeling last night,

or yesterday, I was like, I'm gonna play the new, I haven't been playing any of the Fallout, new Fallout game, I was like, I'm gonna play Fallout tonight. And then I realized it was Russia Shana. And my family was coming to her for a long dinner. And so I didn't know. The media doesn't prevent you from frolicking and post-apocalyptic wasteland.

I wouldn't say so. I wouldn't say so, but there were people there so you can't just like say, I'm gonna break from dinner and just start playing. We have in our living room and dining room our one big room that like connected, not connected, they're just one big fucking room. It's actually called a great room.

And it is a great room, I gotta say. Pat myself in the back, it's a really fantastic room. But yeah, so you like, if I were playing video games, people would be at the table. You know what I mean? People would be in the dining area. And I would, you know, it would just be a little weird, I think, to be taking out. That sounds like my whole childhood though. Playing, you know, playing Golden Eye on that little picture and picture. Playing, you know, playing Gold and I on the little picture and picture. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The family's watching Notre Dame tomorrow. Did you really do that? Yeah. You played Gold and I while people actually was SN, Super Nintendo. Did you play Gold and I when it was split screen four ways in a picture and picture? So your screen was just a tiny, literal post,

literal post, it's stab size. Now I got to play Super Nintendo in a small maybe two by two inch box on a CRT television football. That sounds horrible. Yeah. Serious neglect. Although I got to go full screen during commercial breaks. It could have been a lot worse.

It could have been not a lot to play at all. Could I have had a Genesis or something? Hey, Genesis is a cool system man. I'm sick of being able to talk and shit on the Genesis. Fucking alter beasts, Shinobi. There were a lot of great games. No, are you excited for anything? Have you done a lot of VR yet?

Let me tell you what I've been doing. I haven't been delving into too much VR because my real life is so adventurous and exciting that it's like I'm on a virtual adventure. I have been playing, I got out a Vita that I had sitting in a drawer, a PlayStation Vita, PS Vita, a terribly named product. Vita, it sounds like a life force.

Maybe vitality. I'm pretty sure there's a cracker called the Vita. You can buy, it's maybe it's a foreign cracker. Sounds like a brand new. You're talking about Bel Vita. Like Bel Vita, this is talking about. Bel Vita? The Ryan and cracker. Sounds like a brand new. We're talking about Belvita. Like Belvita is talking about. Belvita. The Ryan and his wife.

The Cheesbac. The Black Fist Biz Kills. The Black Fist Biz Kills. The Black Fist Biz Kills. The Black Fist Biz Kills. Ryan is on time back. Here's what I've been doing. So I got the Vita out.

And I have been playing this game called Recrease City Rampage DX. Have you replayed it? No. It's like, is it like based on Rampage where the monsters are? No. Okay. That is a fucking great game

How is it possible that a rampage that you couldn't expand on the rampage universe? You could just make the same game over and over again. Actually, that would be a great VR game kids these days Yes, it would kids these days don't know the pleasure of rampage rampage was an arcade game I used to play it in the arcade where you would you would play us as like a monster You could play us like Godzilla. Yeah, or they're like off brand. They were like off brand. Off brand.

It was an action Godzilla. It was like a King Kong. Yeah, it was like a King Kong but not King Kong. Deputy King Kong. It was like, it was like, Squire Kong. Fing Fong or something. Yeah, it was like, it was like close enough.

It was like Godzilla was like, Jodzilla. George and Lizzie, the lizard and the monkey. Oh yeah, yeah. George and Lizzie. And you would climb buildings and destroy them and you could eat people. People would be running,

these little people be running around. You'd grab them and eat them. I have so satisfying. That was the whole game. You just destroy. You could play it forever. Stage after stage of destroying. I guess in a post 9-11 world, it's a little bit. It's now, it's, now it doesn't seem quite as

enjoyable to just destroy a building, but I don't know, man. I feel like you could bring that back. You know, you'd think, I kind of have a, like, maybe you play as the people. You try not to get eaten. It is a tiny little person running around. Now it would be like Pepe the frog climbing buildings and that's good. Eating people up putting Nazi symbol by. Repainting swastikas. Like placing parentheses around names. You have to get huge parentheticals that you place around

Jewish soundy names. The Retro City rampage has nothing to do with a rampage, but it is like a riff on, it's like a mashup, it was released like many years ago. I think it's not that new, maybe a couple years ago, but it's like a mashup of a bunch of it's like kind of like the original GTA Do you remember the original GTA which is like a top down and it's like kind of like What is it? There's another one. It's like river city something and then there's a bunch of like back to the future references in it like you get a delorean and Like a doc is in it and there's a bunch of like, they basically have these off brand versions of very popular characters.

It's really cool. And it's not if it makes any sense. One of those come out. Is it US made? Like two or three years ago, yeah. Yeah, 2014. 2014. And it's like you just run around,

drive your car into people, you kill people, you go in these ridiculous missions that don't make any sense. And like you keep running into characters that are, and they're like, oh, any characters in this are pure, it's purely coincidental, but it's definitely not coincidental. They definitely are like. Now, is the Vita more convenient as a parent? I've been playing a rental gamer. I've been playing it in bed instead of looking at my phone before I go to sleep because I find

that when I look at my phone before I go to sleep, I get very agitated and anxious, and I end up in some kind of like Twitter or Facebook funnel that I can't get out of, or news funnel. And so what I do is I put down the phone, I pick up the Vita, and I plug into a great action game like Retro City Rampage DX. And I just enjoy life. I also downloaded a game called Claire, which I haven't really paid in quite very much.

It's like a weird side scroller. You play like a little girl or something. I don't fucking know, man. It's her name, Claire. I think so, yeah. I haven't looked at it that much. I also played inside. Oh, I guess, and I got, no man's guy.

Oh. I've played that a little bit. I've been playing that. Are you playing that? Yeah. I found it to very interesting at first, and then it got progressively more boring. It's incredibly boring. And now I've stopped.

It's incredibly boring. Now I don't think of it at all. In fact, I couldn't even remember that I bought it. It's one of the most boring games I've ever played. I mean, I like games where you just walk around. Like, one of my favorite things about Fallout is that you can just walk and just do nothing and just like stumble upon things.

But the, Yeah, everything and the difference is everything that's in that game is intentionally designed. It's not randomly generated. And that's seeing like, It's a place there for shits and giggles. Here's the mushroom. Here's a slightly different colored mushroom. Yeah, this is the thing, like you go to a different planet, but it's like, it's not like you discover, and maybe you do at some point, I know. I know. I know. I know. I know.

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Five or six hours. It's like, maybe, maybe it's like, you're not going down to a planet where suddenly you're in like an adventure, you have to like find some parts for a computer or something. I mean, you do crap like that. But I mean like an adventure within the place. It's like, there are no, it doesn't seem like

there's anything else. Yeah. It seems like they made the structure for a very fucking awesome game, but then they just stopped. Well, it's just because an algorithm can now design a game, just not me, we should let it design a game. I think it's like, just keeping it the technology

to create it. Nobody stopped and asked if we, it's like if I could colonize a world and create like a city, and then that city would become like self-sustaining and it's like a similar all. It was like a dream of sport, right? You know, play sport?

No. That was the, I'm aware of it though. It was like Sim City for cells, right? Yeah, it was like the big grand vision, like the grand unified theory of Sim City, where you start as a multi-cellular organism and slowly work yourself up to an intergalactic civilization.

We're positing a chariots of the gods. Yeah, it's like, dude, it's like, dude. Yeah, but it started up being like a penis simulator where people just made dick monsters and Posted it on YouTube and so it was a lot like yeah, exactly interesting Anyhow I think they spent maybe a hundred million dollars just monitoring I re moderating dicks out of the I remember I remember the game. I remember the game. It's but it's by the sim city guy, right? Yeah, what's his name? Will will write any I will write failed and it's by the sim city guy, right? Yeah, what's his name? Will, will right. Anyhow, will right failed.

And it was such a good idea. And then I saw a man spy and I was like, is he buying sporadon? No man, it's guy, we might be able to get a function. He's civilized, he's right. Yeah, I think the problem is like, it's cool. But what I really want, I want an idea. Like I want there to be, when fallout, you don't have to stay on the path, but there is a path and if you like and fall out three with the greatest game

Probably the greatest game ever made as far as I'm concerned it fallout three that game you hated fall out three It's because I grew up in the DC area So I was like seeing everything they did wrong with it That's three doesn't go there exactly. This is not an intersection. This is not an intersection. You can't get to this intersection that way. I thought it was brilliant. I didn't grow up in the DC. So I was like, this seems totally realistic.

Follow up three though. I also beat the entire game. Say something like two or three hours. What? If you thought, if you do just the main storyline, but I didn't know that's what I was on the whole time. That's so horrible. I was like, I immediately went off.

I immediately was like, go to the thing in the South and I was like, South. I was like, I didn't even know there was like a compass in the game. I immediately went east for like several hours. I didn't know what was happening. And then I went to the first town you go to and I killed everybody in the town.

I like, it was like a massacre. You go to this, the first town I've followed, three is like, it's actually really beautiful. You can walk around. It's's called like I can't remember that it's called like new new tron new town and I got a message from our first sponsor the National Rifle Association yeah just shoot it but the NRA says just shoot it if it's moving shoot it if it doesn't move shoot it anyway just first ask questions later shoot first first, never asked questions.

Brought to you by the NRA. I know you didn't see Westworld, but this all ties in very nicely with the conceit of the show. Hey, spoiler alert. First love people complaining about Westworld. Well, those people are dumb and they suck because Westworld was very, very good,

except I figured out the entire secret of Westworld. I've seen all of what the first episode of Westworld, and I thought it was very, very entertaining television. And also, it speaks to a lot of our favorite trend lines in futurism and pop culture. Right. So you'll feel very comfortable watching Westworld. You'll feel like-

I'm sure I'll love it. You'll feel like I've seen and heard all of this before, but I love the way it's being presented. So I canceled my HBO now subscription. Great choice. Right at the right time. Because all that was on was Vice Principles, which is a deeply racist show. I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it, but most of the things Danny McBride does are pretty racist. Deeply, yeah. No self-awareness. And he's the kind of racist against white people, too.

He's like, he's like, he's all around. Checking all the boxes. Yeah, it's like, you know, he's, I mean mean, he's I'm not saying he's an equal opportunity offender because that is done to think actually that's what he said. Yeah, I think he's like, I'm an equal opportunity offender. That's his thing. Now he definitely is a lot of like, um, like in the way that Napoleon Dynamite is really racist, which it is, it's like that.

Have you ever seen the movie Napoleon Dynamite? I have, but I think I saw it before I had a critical theory of the idea of the dynamite. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you should check it out. It definitely is like a movie that like thinks it's funny if you're Hispanic. Like part of it's conceit. Anyhow.

HBO does a lot of that though. Have you ever seen summer heights high? All that Chris Littley stuff? He's in summer heights. Summer heights like a fucking Australian show or something? Yeah. I don't, Australia, you know, all, the all-doberts best. Australia's super racist.

Yeah, terrible place. Actually, I just heard, I was just listening to all the viewers back, Australia is a hell of a hole. But I was just listening to some British people talking about Brexit and they went to like, you know, hard scrap all or some whatever, like, area of Britain is where all of the really British people are and they were interviewing them on the street.

Hard scrap sounds like a night. Hard scrap was actually a road near where I live. It's called hard scrap road and I'm like, what happens? It must be tough. Hard times. It's like seriously, so it's like a seriously wealthy area. A lot of seven letter words. I'm not saying that I live in a wealthy area. I'm saying that hard scrap road is located in a wealthy area. It's a a seriously wealthy area a lot of seven letter words. I'm not saying that I live in a wealthy area

I'm saying that hard scrap a road is located in a wealthy area 50 point bonus. I also live in a wealthy area You have a great room. You just said you had a great right? It is great Nobody in the city is a great room except for no I had to get out of here. I had to get out of this hellhole hellish You know what's the opposite bad is Australia? What's the opposite? It's right. What is the opposite of a great room? Because that's what you get New York Like this room. Sorry. This is pretty terrible But it's where I live Anyhow there's some beautiful studio apartments in this area, but anyhow you live on Long Island, right? Yeah, I live out in Hicksville

Just kidding that is a part of Long Island those and it actually took me, took me a good two and a half years of, I've lived here three years now. To know which way Long Island. No, I didn't know that I lived on Long Island. Well, technically, but you live on. But Brooklyn is part of Long Island. Yeah, but nobody says. There's just like in my head, I imagine like,

oh, we connect to the mainland somewhere up by Queens. I never looked into it. You're on Long Island. I just are running a assumption. In and on, you're on it. The whole thing is long Island, right? People don't really think of Brooklyn as I mean, yes, exactly. That's what I'm saying. You can live your whole life in Brooklyn, of course, without knowing. Yes. As I think the myth of

myth in the state, maybe people do. I'm insulting a lot of people in a lot of areas tonight on the podcast. But let me get back on topic, Australians terrible, the British. Anyhow, they were in like, you know, what's a place that you go in England that has like a very British name? Like Esther. Yeah, it's actually pronounced Laster.

It's pronounced Laster. It's pronounced Laster. I've never heard anybody say that one. Oh, well, it's pronounced Laster. Now you know, anyhow, the point is these British people sounded like they were in a fucking, they sounded like they were in, what's the movie about the kid with the anyhow, the point is, these British people sounded like they were in a fucking, they sounded like they were in,

what's the movie about the kid with the porridge, that the book? Oliver Twist. Oliver Twist. They were like, yeah, let's get out of here. Yeah, you're right. We don't need Europe. It was like that.

It's like, wait, I need Europe. That's actually what they were saying. It's like, there's a lot, something was like, there's lots of countries out there. Oh, Megan we could do it on our own we can't say it was in some Here's some British town there's real. These are real 100% real. There we go. Optin Snot's Barry No, that's really welcome. That sounds like that's how the church No, this sounds this is like ponsey. No, this is 100% you know. Wait, it's Ponzi. Potomate is Ponzi a bad word. I don't know.

Ponzi? Yeah, it's like a British. Is it like a, is it droggatory? No, Ponzi is a bad word. It's affected, like, just, it's sort of like a pretentious. It's just like a pretentious. Okay, I just want to make sure it's not like a slur. Like, posh, but bad.

Nether wall up. Real name of a town. Hey, let's get out of here already. Give me a new, never wallop. They were like, give me a kiss, give you a rip the old evo. It was like that, anyhow. Over P.O. Why am I talking about this?

I don't know. We were talking about West West. Australia. Australians can't be trusted. And you want to tell you that? Sorry. Okay, I said I wasn't gonna do it, but oh, we don't know, oh, sorry. We said I wasn't going to do it, but oh, we don't, oh, sorry.

We said we weren't going to talk about politics, but I just accidentally kind of sort of made a Donald Trump joke. I mean, how can we not talk? Yeah, we should talk, because you're a very political guy. Now, but you know, a lot of people don't know this kind of talk about your background. Yeah. Maybe people do know it. Before T.C game underground Get the right register for this Before TC before TC in a world in a world before TC became a You're just really housing that Bourbon should I be worried this guy just said I we're talking about politics this guy's drinking He's drinking like a fish

There are fish if the fish saw what he was doing they'd be like of hot sauce. He's drinking like a fish. There are fish. If the fish saw what he was doing, they'd be like, I'm good. They'd be like, I'm good. No, thank you. This don't drink this. Well, you know what I mean. I mean, if that were watered.

And he's doing the old Netherwallet. T.C., before he came to work at the Verge, was a log, worked for a lobbyist. It's true. In D.C. And his lobby was, it was pro, pro, prop eight and pro cigarettes. His thing was to, his whole trip was stop gay marriage and increase the amount of people smoking. Get them to stop marrying and stop smoking.

How do you respond to this? It's 100% true. 100% true. That's right. Anyhow, but you do? What did you do? Tell me, give me an example of the kind of lobbying you did. Give me a specific. So, lobbying is actually a very boring job. It's depicted completely falsely most of the time. Says the former lobbyist.

Do you seem like to put a stop to the inaccurate depictions of lobbying in popular media? No, I think lobbying is largely very good. And it benefits most people in this country. I think most people don't know that most lobbying organizations are nonprofits. They're not bribing politicians. They're just representing people.

It's definitely a huge first amendment exercise. Sounds like somebody who's still on the take. Absolutely. Still on the end of the year. You're making all my national parks money. Lobby dollars in your pocket. Yeah. You got it. You know, you know what? I will say this a little suspiciously. The Verge just did a series on national parks recently. It's true. And I got to say it does sound some alarms. You're a national park lobbyist.

We did. No, no, no. They're the hundredth anniversary of the national park service. I wonder who brought that to the attention of people at the Vert. I absolutely did. You did. That was a huge that was a huge subject of conversation. I'm like, you're gonna get I'm gonna get this shit across one way or another. People were psyched. Yeah, people love parks. That's so so let me tell you. Yeah, I have the easiest lobbying job in the world because they're every state and territory even in the United States except for one has a national park in it guess which one. I'm gonna guess. I'm gonna guess. Texas. Is that a serious guess? No. Give me your serious guess. No.

North Dakota. I want a serious guess. I want a serious guess. South Dakota. I want a serious guess. I want a serious guess. South Dakota. All right. The answer is Delaware. Delaware. Delaware like Delaware. Delaware first state.

Because it is a national park for tax. First state in the union only state without a national park. There's not a lot of greenery there. There's nothing there. It's all chicken shat. It's all it's all it's all it's all it's all it's all it's all It's literally just a strip of land where there's like on one side there's chicken farms and the other side there's beaches. It's all, you don't have any room for parks because they have all the buildings that they

blow up at the end of fight clubs. Spoiler alert. But I'm pretty sure a fight club is set. Wait, is that really where that took place? I think that's where it's set. Wilmington? That's what I believe because they blow up all the credit card agencies. Is it a weird sky?

Where else would they be? I don't know if that's where they actually are, but when you think about it, where would you go to destroy all of the records of all of the credit card companies and the businesses? The state with no tax. You go to Delaware where all the businesses are based. Interesting. That's a thought. Ryan, can you fact check that?

Ryan, can we get... Is it really? Are you fucking serious? But it was shot in... It's set in Wilmington, Delaware, but with shot in Wilmington, California. That's incredible. Wait, what? I know.

I don't believe it as much as you don't, but. How about the city of industry? What, they couldn't come up with a better name for a city. You talking about true detective season two? No, I'm talking about, that was a stinker. I talk about a show going from the height and peak of excellence to the depths of the, of the, of the drags of a toilet, backed up toilet.

So bad. Really bad. Anyhow, getting back to Westworld. Wait, so you're saying everybody loves parks. Everybody loves, so is it easy lobbying job, you know, like, all we had to do, we had 250,000 members or something. For organizations, so we just go to Congress and say, hey, your members like parks give parks money.

But did you get people like, didn't you get people who are like, this underneath this park is a rich reserve of oil that we need to get into? Yeah, I mean, that actually, we dealt with some pretty, what people might consider small issues, Yeah, I mean, that actually, we dealt with some pretty, what people might consider small issues, but there are huge issues for us, which is like snowmobiles and yellow stone,

existential threat. Is that a problem? Yeah. Why would happens? Ah, because people just want to snowmobile through Yellowstone all the time. I bet that's not gonna be a great school level. That's right, that's right.

That's right, Michelle. Overflights was another example, like like maybe don't fly over the Grand Canyon and ruin people's experience of it. What? Come on. Yeah. Hey, those rocks don't on the sky. It's no man's sky.

Instead of the federal government. I think I may have a pipe that goes up straight up. I think it's interesting, right? They're like, well, think about it. You have the ground. That's yours. Okay, you've got it. You're there. They're like all of the stuff above the ground. How high up does the federal government reach? There's no there's no height limit to your property. Oh really? So you're telling me because I got I don't think that's true. You own it all the way down to

Yeah, I should down you I should clear the airspace above my house I should clear the airspace above my house. Just be like, sorry, this is a no-fly zone. But you don't. Ha-ha! You don't necessarily own, I mean, if there's liquid, right? You just can drink other people's milkshake, I've heard. What? Right?

No. Do you know where I learned about air rights? No. The movie burlesque starring Sharon Christina Aguilara was actually a musical about air rights. Wow kidding. I'll tell you what's interesting about that is I forgot to Christina Aguilara started a movie.

I actually have not heard Christina Aguilara's name for years. Well you know she's on the first in the voice. Oh is she really? Wow come on man. It's guess so busy thinking about parts. This is her voice. I have a process right back to the story of the story of a certain type of information.

Wow information. You know what? This is homophobia. I think it does sound anti-gay to me. It's what I'm hearing right now. Well, you know, as you know, I'm lobbying your anti-prope, or you pro-prope, we pro-pe was banning, was banning or pro-pe was to ban gay marriage, right?

No one pro-pe was good. No one pro-pe, and you were a yes on pro-pe guy. You were working for the Mormons, the Mormons who were the big, largest contributor to prop A as far as I know. It is insane. That's how that's how you get people as you put something on a ballot. You have to vote against. Yeah. So we're going to have a vote for things. We talked about politics. What were some other issues that you face with parks?

Funding. Actually, one of my big jobs working at this organization was to come up with a sustainable funding, sustainable funding model for the park. The shadow organization that you can't show you. The National Parks Conservation Association or NPCA. Founded just a year after the park service was created by one of its original founders who realized there needed to be an independent voice of the people. There need to be traction balances around the park service couldn't go unchecked. Right. Well, it has a really weird mandate which is contradictory. To protect and serve. No, that's actually that's exactly it. That's literally it. It has to protect and preserve the natural resources, but then it also has to provide them for public enjoyment

So essentially serve the public. That's tough. Yeah, it's like Robocop kind of which is where Snowmobiles and Yellowstone come in because you have to preserve I can't write a snowmobile through Yellowstone. You can but there's restrictions What if I wanted to build a house in Yellowstone? What if I wanted to build it? But you know if Absolutely not. What if I wanted to build it? But, you know, if some of the original tiny house. When the park service was founded, it wasn't guaranteed like you might, you know, there might be, if things had gone a different way, you could easily see, you know, you know, Sam and he would just be filled with resorts for the rich.

Yeah. That's what it should be. Insane, but it's- Trump's America is a return to, you know. I think if Trump wins, it's likely that the parks will be annexed to the very rich to become- Absolutely. ...sball the bison when we paint it gold. Yeah. I think if Trump wins, it's likely that the parks will be annexed to the very rich to become the spot. Absolutely. All the bison will be painted gold.

Do you have a through line to know when this volcano and Yellowstone's going to go off? Is there a volcano? Allegedly, there's a super volcano on the Yellowstone just waiting to destroy the entire planet. Really? Yeah. It's just like a biggest secret style conspiracy theory or something. No, there really is a super vulcan. We don't want that.

We don't need that. No, maybe that is what we need actually. It's not going to go off for another who knows. It could be next year. It could be 500,000 years from now. This is the start of every fucking Morgan Freeman disaster movie. They're like, each starts here. No, you know, that John Key's talking in a radio station and then they die.

What was that John Qsac disaster movie We're like LA crumbles. I think it's called is that the one where was that was 2012 it was 2012. Yeah Yeah, in that movie the in that movie the Yellowstone Supervolcano Goes and he's like in Yellowstone It's like While mold lava is like Veering around the lava and trees are collapsing. Flaming meteor boulders coming out of the...

It's definitely every true, that every movie like that starts is it's like a couple of guys they're in like a remote monitoring station somewhere and they're like, looking at some reading. Like that's our book on Zelda movie. Yeah, they're looking at some readings are like, this is, what is this read? This is it, right?

You know, they have to go tell somebody about the reading. The world's gonna die. And then somebody's like, they get a report and they're like, this can't, right? You know, they have to go tell somebody about the reading. The world's gonna die. And then somebody's like, they get a report and they're like, this can't be right. This is not supposed to, we wouldn't see readings like this for a thousand years. And then next thing, you know, boom. A child should be the only witness of.

You know, the great irony of that being in implausible Hollywood scenario is that the real world scenario is we have 99% of scientists saying global warming is real And nobody believes that nobody believes 99% of scientists. It's not even like two scientists Be like the ocean levels are gonna rise Literally every scientist except for like the chiropractor You know if they had we're fucking smart these climate change people would have kept it to themselves And waited these climate change people would have kept it to themselves and waited to work on the

lot of you know you will come to scientists who found it who discovered it they're like these readings are off the charts and they take it into the fucking congress and congress is like my god look at the then they would believe it the problem is it's too many there's too much of a sense and the thing is we have a black president

We almost have a lady president. We're almost lined up perfectly But we don't have the right black If Morgan Freeman was president, you would be taking those scientists seriously. It is interesting that like the the right pairing it's like the wine pairing for disaster is a president that looks unfamiliar to us We're like oh aliens. it's a lady who's president. A comment is here. It's the black president. Does that really go regular white guys? I have Bill, guess Bill Palmer and kind of deals with yeah, something regular about that white guy though, in

Independence Day. Very traditional white president. Very white. In the second one, which I haven't seen, have you seen the new independence day? No, I haven't. Resurgence. Did they invent that word? I think I saw it in. Have you seen the new independence day? No, I haven't. Resurgence. Did they invent that word? I think I saw it in my watch in the trailer. Is resurgence a word?

It is. Doesn't sound like one. You surge. And then you re-surge. You re-surge. Are resurgence. I don't think that's a word. Is resurgence actually a word?

That's a word. Can we just check that? That feels wrong, Tim. Anyhow, could be this maker's mark talking. But anyhow, so let's talk about politics for a moment. All right. You're a deeply political man. You are a member of the park service,

member of the park range. You're a performer park ranger and a vehement defender of the constitution. Voting for Jill Stein. A second amendment. My agenda was to promote smoking your national park Prevent gay marriage and promote smoking within the national parks You know what anybody getting gay married inside of the national park at Regent unless they're a packet a

22 20 to 40 cigarettes in a go Your vehement defender of second amendment Do you're gun owner, right? No, you can't you're not gun owning family though. Oh, no, no No, I'm not I'm not I'm fired guns. Yeah, it's fun. Did you like it? Did you feel a surge of power? Run it's very scary until you do it a few times. I feel like it's scary even if you do it. Yeah, I've never fired a gun. I feel like if I got, if I've ever become a duped two.

No, it's an interesting experience. Tell me what it feels like. You definitely feel powerful, but not in a, not in a fun way, in a serious way. Like in a terrible way. Yeah, in a serious way. Like in a terrible way. Yeah, in a scary way. Like, you know, I was on a range. Yeah.

Lots of other people around me. Yeah. Everyone felt it. It was kind of helped by the fact that there was this guy firing a black powder rifle on one side of me. It was like he was obviously there. It was a black powder rifle. You know, like a revolutionary war rifle,

black powder. Oh yeah. Like it was an artifact essentially. Okay. So that was strange. I think he was gonna take me out because it took him a minute to reload but I was looking at all the other guys over there.

I feel like all I would be able to think about is how do I stop myself from shooting someone? Like, like, I feel like, I'm not that I want to shoot anybody. But I feel like once you get the gun in your hand, something might happen, right? When you break, and you're like, all I could just kill somebody, then you do it.

Well, I got focused on an objective because I was in a range, there was a target. Take out as many terrorists as you could. I was really bad at it, so I was hitting the wood posts that were holding the target up, and the gun range owner comes over and he's like, yeah, you gotta hit the target or get the fuck out of here. Oh, really?

Yeah, so he like scared me into focusing on the target the target that they have to have the primary target. I started to enjoy it. Would you do a hole in the chest? I know it was like a traditional traditional circular target. No, no, no chest. No chest. So how did you do? Oh poorly. Yeah, very well. What were you firing? Oh, poorly. Yeah. What were you firing? My good buddy who's in the army had some World War II era rifles that were that were a fun. He had a luger. He brought. I get a spring. Is a Nazi fire. Springfield 1903.

Bot action. Arms bands for us. A luger and a couple of hats with a couple of metal helmets at point. No, it was interesting. It was like a historical experience. I got to fire. You felt like you were in the gun that won the war. That's the one that killed all the Nazis. Yeah, the M1 Garand. It's a rifle. It's a rifle.

How many rounds, just a single round? Eight. Oh, it holds eight rounds. So it has a clip. So the Germans didn't have a semi-automatic, well, they had, you know, later in the war they had one. They found one, like, what if we do this? That's interesting.

I mean, it's kind of a technology story. I know anything about it. Absolutely. Everything is a technology story. We found a tech angle. There is the tech angle. And the verge, that was early on. It was like, what is the angle?

How is the, where is the connection? Right. Which is a piece that's evolved pretty quickly too. Every story is a technology story. Well, it's, and also it's true in not to get, not to divert this conversation away from our, from Westworld approach to Westworld politics. But as we're getting, you know,

planning the launch of the outline and talking about what we want to cover and how we're going to cover it, which is a hot conversation. Do you want to tell your readers what the outline is answer to they know? The online is a new thing that I'm doing. It's going to be on the web, and it's for readers.

It's not for everyone. It's not for you. It's not for everyone. It's for you. It's a box. You get every month filled with snacks. It's a box. It's a subscription service.

You get a little surprise in snacks. It's a box. It's a subscription service. You get a little surprise in the mail once a month. You open it up and it tells you to go to a website. It's a group on. You get a group on for a website. It's quite interesting. Our model is a little different. Anyhow, but we've been talking a lot about, you know,

what things are as a story, like where they fall into the categories. And what it turns out is like there's a category where a lot of things merge, where a lot of things kind of like meld into one another. And I think one of the things that we thought about early and talked about early at the verge was that technology was a lens, I think it's like what I used to bullshit about. And I think that's very true, even more true now. Yeah, it was an intersection. It is an intersection.

It's a lens. It's a, it's a, some cases literally a lens. To tripwire. It's a, it's a fiery mechanism. It's a magnifying glass. And it's also a weapon that will maybe kill your entire family. A weapon of information.

That machine kills fascists. Ha, ha, ha is very good. You should do something with that. That's actually that would be my story that I contribute to the outlet. That sounds like I would love that. I would love for a contribution for you. That's a great amount right there. This machine Alex fascists. There would be a Twitter story. That's very, very good.

I don't know how many more Twitter stories anybody can take at this point. Anyhow, how did I get in this topic? Politics. Politics. Westworld. So you're a Trump supporter. Talk to me about that. 100% born in this. You can't be a supporter, raise the Trump supporter. You can, no.

The theater's anything in my truck. Just ask Ivanka. Trump's a... I had nothing growing up. I had a single parent. All we had. All we had. All we had to ask it right now is a...

No, no, no, no, no, no. A single mom teacher. All we had to our family's name was a gold plate at toilet And I tell you whatever you're worth right every time I pooped in that toilet. I thought make America great again That's at my head make America great. That's Trump. This is for Trump You're no you're a you're a hardcore liberal lefty socialist. You're basically like you're a Jill Stein is no she thinks vaccines are bug I don't hate Jury's out we don't know okay sure all the scientists all the scientists and doctors

I'm sure I'll fracture she thinks why if I have cancer well we don't know Jury's out I don't know ask Nick built out. I don't know. Ask Nick built them. You know what? Yeah. No, listen, everything's up for grabs. All information is up for grabs. If what there's a lot of people are... We have a shitty slate. And I don't say that to like, there's, I mean, there's no comparison. There's no comparison.

There's no comparison between... The great Gary Johnson. Gary Johnson. Gary Johnson, what an ignorance this guy is incredibly fucking stupid. I mean, he really is. His favorite world leader is himself. Here's the thing about Gary Johnson, what an ignoramus this guy is incredibly fucking stupid. I mean, he really is. His favorite world leader is himself. Here's the thing about Gary Johnson. I'm sorry, like, to the millennials, whatever.

Yeah, you know, he wants to legalize weed. That's really cool. That's great. It's super important. But if you look at the libertarian platform, I don't know if you've done that. I have, yeah. It's like no public school, no civil rights laws, no, I mean, no, it's like nothing. What's the trope that the or the line? It's like we,

we don't like the consequences, but we love the causes. Yeah, the, the, um, the civil rights thing is really interesting. It's like, it's like personal freedom above all else. And libertarianism will make, you know, they will make no law, no one wants to make a law that will force your personal freedom to be interrupted by anyone else's personal freedom. So it really sets up a pretty amazing scenario, which is like everyone does everything that they want, and nothing that anyone else wants to do can be pushed on a thing that you want.

And so like, it's like a logical fallacy though. Well, it's like, it's like, definitely, this is gonna be the sure. Well, that's the whole thing of like my rights and where your rights begin, right? And you just have to figure out what that line is. But the libertarian platform is essentially clickbait for freshman for game or game or gate, right? Clickbait for gamer gate.

And, and, and, of course, definitely the meme election. It's insane. I mean, there's a, there's a direct line between gamer gate and Donald Trump. No, there is. There's actually fucking bizarre. There's a direct line between modern media, clickbait, Gamergate, men's rights activists in all forms, neo Nazis. And it's name is Palmer Lucky. Donald Trump, mellow, I mean,

you're an opalous. I mean, Milo and, ando and Palmer Lucky. Palmer, who by the way, is what's, he's actually a very sweet, nice, lovely person and any interaction I've ever had with him. So it's so disheartening and upsetting and surprising to discover that like he is ultimately has really, really flawed. I don't think it's surprising at all.

I think it's very easy. I think it's very... I think it's very... Well, here's the thing, I think it's very easy to be a teenager, Lord. It is. Like, I was probably one for a little while. I was a gamer and I was checking out this ego.

Oh. Like, you know, that's the story of America, right? You leave your parents' house, you rebel. And what are you rebel against now? You rebel against what's your man? PC culture, touchy-feely, safe space. I have to say, but you know what? But the flip side of that is like,

that, but if that's, I'm saying if that's the culture, if like that is an obvious thing to be a rebel against, then you're gonna easily get caught up and like, you would think that there is a level, like Palmer's smart enough, smart guy, smart enough to see the bullshit. Oh, he's an engineer, he's not maybe called. That's true, engineers tend to make really bad,

we're an interesting decision. It's like maybe called that engineer engineer engineer said tend to make really bad. We are an interesting decision. It's like there's different kinds of smart. Well at any rate. I'm not making excuses for the guy I think it sucks. I think I think it's a shitty position that he's taken and I think it sucks for his employees because he's a Sensibly a leader such for his business to because people are people are literally not the Facebook gives a shit because they know Facebook Peter teal and no Facebook if anything they're pretty good they're gonna push his agenda they're gonna help him push his agenda as they've done with Peter teal they've basically um L.A. Facebook only stands to benefit when Peter teal establishes his C colony filled with no actual edge lords young acolytes who give him their blood

um it really is like a fucking baron hawk coming situationations should create. I mean, we are, we are like quickly approach it. If you've never seen David Lynch's incredible film version of Dune, I highly suggest it. But we are approaching a scenario where if you don't know who baron heart cone is, I just suggest you Google it or and or watch the movie and or read the book. But, but no, I mean, yeah, the whole thing, this is the thing. It's all, I don't want to be the lost guy, but it is all connected. It is all connected. It's like the bastardization of media. Not Ivanka's boat. The lack of, the lack of control spearheaded by Facebook and things like Facebook like owned and operated by people like Peter Teal

making investment decisions about people like Paul Marlucky making investment decisions about people like Donald Trump like this shit is all part of it continue. Yeah, I honestly not that scared of Facebook. I'm scared of... Look at the Jeff Zucker, look at the Jeff Zucker thing. I'm scared of the people on Facebook. You mean humanity. Yeah. No, I'm like, has Facebook actually, I mean, I could see how it reinforces beliefs. I don't think I don't think I don't

think being scared of Facebook is the move. I think being wary of Facebook is the move. Sure. Because any time. But I don't think Facebook is the root cause of racist idiocy. No, that's right. That would be right. That'd be the free and open, the free and open exchange of ideas is the cause of race. Every man is responsible for his own soul. You know, vote your conscience. Vote your conscience. That's what I say. Upvote your conscience. That's a I say. Upvote your conscience. That's a good campaign. Actually good. Why are you in marketing?

You're in the wrong. You get the results. I went literally in the 2012 Reddit tour bus for the election. I know. If you remember, I do remember. What was that like? We never, I didn't like. I wrote a feature about it.

No, I know. I can read that. I know, but I actually it's very funny that the first thing that happened on that tour bus was we got on the tour bus and Alexis Nohanean the co-founder of Reddit showed us something that was published on Gokka.com that day the whole code could sextape Wow this is like just like Westworld

this is actually the first half of the first episode of Westworld is Almost to a tee what you just described Having Rachel Wood is making memes for 30 minutes. She's like she's like Anthony Hopkins comes up behind her you can't tell what she's on a computer You can't tell what's what she's working on and then she kind of moves to the side and it's a Pepe the Fraud. But she created a bad, feels bad, feels bad.exe. Or slash, slash Westrop.

And he, Abby Hock is like, you're truly an edge lord now. And then cut to smash cut to credits. Oh, how did was Elon Musk's X on the first episode? What? Didn't you see that tweet? I don't know. I don't follow these tweets. Elon Musk. I don't have time for Elon Musk's space. Space Sessla solar city creator of bullshit in hot air. I tweeted. I tweeted. The controversy. This is a controversy.

Tweeted yesterday. My ex Talula is on Westworld. I'm sure she'll make a great evil sex bot. He's a fucking cool. He's also kind of an Agilord. Actually, he's like the most advanced Agilord. He's like the one. He's like the one who broke through.

Yeah, Elon, good buddy of mine. Great. One of my favorite conversation partners. One of my favorite hot air, hot air, um, blowers. At this point, here's what he said. Call me crazy. Some of the future episodes of Westworld feature my ex, T'lula. Does a great job of playing a deadly sex bot, smiley face. What a sick fuck. What kind of crazy sex dungeon do you think Elon Musk has? It makes Christian Grey's sex dungeon look like child's play. It's just one of those McDonald's spaceships.

You know, like those play places, and you go in there and you just scream for him. What? I don't think so. That's not his style. Yeah, he wants you to die from. Elon Musk is into actual sex, trust me. Yeah, but he doesn't finish projects, so I doubt he ever makes anything. Whoa, whoa, whoa, hello, we had a live one over here folks. And that is the tomorrow podcast. I'll be back next week with more tomorrow. Anyhow, the worst thing about this fucking election and Donald Trump is that Pepe the frog has been ruined and bastardized by these fucking douche bags.

Kadyna Topliss took a week off a week off in Pepe I'm taken by the Nazis. Kady had a baby. You remember the innocent days of dog? I believe I am. I it's browns at doge I think it's a doge You know what? You know this is what this is how deep America's problems run Doge a house Actually, I think Laura's eyes piss because it's pronounced dog

It was House of Finance. Actually, I think Laura's always pissed because it's pronounced dog. That's what it is. That was Laura's always pissed about. She was pissed about the Doge meme because people would say Doge. Instead of Dog. And obviously it's Dog.

But it's Dog. It does look Doge. She did to me though. It's Dog. Anyhow, the truth is that once you enter the hatch and you enter the code, you start to see that it's all connected. You start to see how, um, the, uh, Dharma initiative and the others and, uh, your plane crash and the giant magnet and the man in black,

which is by the way, the man in black is also a character on Westworld. Wait, who is the man in black? The man in black is the guy who is not, what was Jacob, Jacob's, also. Oh yeah, yeah. His twin brother. The other side were like cookie. His twin brother. That plot point was really, really labored,

no pun intended. There's, actually, it just occurred to me, there is a character called the man in black in Westworld. Is there really? Yes. Played by Ed Harris. Interesting. Yeah. Turns out Westworld is just another fucking lost. Yeah. Maybe it's a sequel. Well, JJ Abrams name is definitely in the credits. I like how now if you're making science fiction, you just get JJ Abrams to do something you pay my licensing You're like what is he is the Trump of sci-fi? He just names on every building. Yeah, it's like

How do we legitimize this hunk of shit? Will JJ put his name on it? Joe JJ executive producer JJ Abrams well in that case Yeah, he is to sci-fi as Tom Hanks is to any historical biopic slash world war film. You excited about the new DaVinci code, Mover? I'm not excited about that shit. How long do you take them?

When do the first one come out? It's like easily a decade ago. Is there a porno called the DaVinci load? I just wanted to know. Yes. It's there. It came out in 2006. Okay.

To me, the Ben's of Inchi load two, Angels and Seaman. That's not a very, oh, that's pretty good. That's actually pretty good. To me, the greatest job in the world, the most wonderful job is coming up with a funny porn name. I would leave everything if I could get

a full-time position, full-time position, I was a great name for a porno. If I could get a full-time position, coming up with funny porn names. You're good at it. You got it, right I am. This is what I put in the hours for. This is the 10,000 hours.

You know what Gladwell says? Yeah, 10,000 hours in your expert. So you've you've put in 10,000 hours of puns, name porn puns. I mean, pornos. Yes, easily. If not more. What are your top five? Well, I had a whole series called the coming of Christ, which is about Jesus. A porno Jesus film. Taste the rainbow. It's a gay flick. film uh taste the rainbow it's a gay flick um poke men no the Pokemon no poke it's just gotta be a poke better you kidding me I'm assuming I you think I would know and then of course uh the Da Vinci load that was your open. So I opened 10. Ryan, you'll end all of this, I'm sure. Yeah, make it louder. Really crank the compressor up for this one.

And then you know, getting back to Trump, what were we talking about? Westworld? In Breastworld. Oh, Breastworld's very good. Have they made a Westworld parody called breast world? I mean, you're familiar with Edward Penis' hands, right? Yes.

Okay. Whoever came up with that is brilliant. You know, he actually has penises for hands. Penises, yeah, that's right. Breast world does not exist yet, but if you want it, get the domain now. Breastworld.com. Anyhow, very problematic.

T.C., so anyhow, so how are you feeling about this election cycle? Or do you think that is it going to be? I don't really terrified. Well, I feel like we're in a situation where everybody's doesn't terrified, but I'm terrified. No, I'm very terrified. I mean, we are on the precipice of total apocalypse

in this country, in my opinion. If Trump wins, it means that everything that has happened in this country for, well, the entirety of its existence, certainly post-Civil War, is effectively erased. It means that we've allowed an actual, bonafide, literal racist, xenophobic it a nationalist to take control of the high and high and high. I have to say all that stuff I understand. That's American, right? Right.

Ain't that American is what you're saying. This country had slavery. So like that. Yeah. Hundreds of years ago. No, no, no, I know. But and I like the point is nothing has ever been rosy in this country, but there's been a certain level of respect for democratic norms. Right. He would completely erase that. I mean, he's already suggesting that the results of the election will be fraudulent.

He's been asking supporters to go keep watching. Oh, you have this. This is what is scary as to me. The scariest thing he said is this idea that the people that vote for him should go and watch people at point places That that is an incitement to violence The under four years ago. They accused black panthers of doing the exact opposite. It's intimidation It's it's he's such a he's so reckless. I mean, he's a bolt. He's ultimately just a bullshitter But the when you're a presidential candidate that bullshit has But when you're a presidential candidate that bullshit has severe consequences. His bullshit is like he's completely unaware of the of the, oh, maybe he's aware of it.

It does feel like his job is to is to like sell. He's trying to sell this thing and everything beyond selling it is. And then you see last week or the week before he's he teased a major announcement. It was really just a plug for his new DC hotel Got he's such a like he's such a fucking turd. I mean honestly, I I I would love to see I'll say this I don't agree with almost anything that Republicans think or want But I would be open to the idea of a Republican a Republican candidate who sounded sane I'd be open to the idea that a Republican candidate who sounded sane. I'd be open to the idea that a single Republican who stood for anything that wasn't complete

bullshit. And I don't think we saw, I think the reason why Donald Trump was able to succeed is because not just because he is good at Twitter and good at controlling media attention, but also because the other candidates that were offered were complete garbage. I mean, I mean, they make Mitt Romney look like the most... Isn't that incredible? Paul and John McCain, that's incredible. Like it has restored my opinion of John McCain.

No, I mean, if Mitt Romney had run, if Mitt Romney had run and Trump had not won, I mean, presumably Mitt Romney would have been able to do better, maybe not though, than Trump in these primaries. Mitt Romney would have been able to do better, maybe not, though, than Trump in these primaries. Mitt Romney would win without a question. Did you see Mitt Romney's speech on Donald Trump? The one that he gave early.

To an economic club, it's really remarkable. It's like, I don't know. I mean, this has been brewing for 50 years, right? The major cleavage between the modern Democratic and Republican Party was the Civil Rights Act. So essentially, a modern Republican party was founded on racism. Well, that's, and of course, I mean, every person is-

And all you've had the last eight years is the right wing media establishment and right wing politician saying, Obama's trying to destroy the country. I think any person who has been any member of, anything that can be considered a minority. And I'm only putting in myself in that softly because I'm Jewish and so I have some like, you know, I've grown up around Jewish people and gotten the whiffs of like what Republicans think of Jewish people, which historically has not been positive. If you

go back 50 years, it's very, very not positive. I think anybody who is a member of a minority in America, a minority group in America knows that that's the platform of Republicans. The racism really is like the kind of unifying underlying. I hate to say it. There are Republicans that are not racist. There are many of them. There are good, normal Republicans that want fiscal conservatism. Right.

Well, I mean, the fact of the matter is like racism is an institutional statement right so there are a lot of republicans and democrats who are racist that don't know their race actually i know i i i think you support if you support racist policies in a racist system with you know i believe there are a lot of people who do it on wittlingley yeah of course i think it's an excuse it but if the problem with their bottom republican party is

like on trump cast they had on this guy who was talking about how he was part of the group that created the original documentary and focus group and tested the idea that abortion should be something that would be a controversy. And then they brought that and they created like a fake grassroots organization like AstroTurf and they did the same thing with gay rights for George Bush

and they did the same thing. And it's just picking new minority groups that they can get away with stigmatizing long enough to pick a new minority group. And yeah, like it was black people and it was Jews and now they have to pretend to like them or us. And it keeps going. And the trans people Mexican muslims and they'll just keep picking a new one. And eventually it'll be a Scientologist.

But the continual but the continual thread is like xenophobia, a nationalism and racism. Like that is that is the, and by the way, that is Anglo-Saxon. And bathrooms. And bathrooms. They're taking our bathrooms away. But it's more, but more, it's they just cooked up. Like we're all a little bit racist, but they purposely cooked it up to weaponize it.

Colorblind and genderblind. I don't care if you're purple and also All other sorts of other blindness I experience you can be gay in your own house. Don't be gay in my national parks I'm just smoking a pack today. I prefer your gay in the national parks frankly. I think we add a little city gay people a little a little Sexual energy to those those areas. Oh, we do Anyhow A little sexual energy to those areas. Oh, we do. Anyhow, I'm also terrified, though. I have to say, I do think it's like,

even if we, even if Hillary wins, which is, you know, it's a weird kind of victory, I do think we've opened something up here, awful in this country. By the way, though, I think this is in the world. I think xenophobia is there's a whole new, I mean, listening to these people, and I was joking about it earlier, but listening to people in England talk about leaving the European Union and talking about how their country is filled with immigrants.

The Poland, there's a similar sort of a wave of this happening. There is an extreme nationalism that's sort of, by the way, it is like part of it is because of terrorism, which is scary and vague and seems to be coming from foreign entities far and near. But some of it is just like kind of inherent, baked in old school racism and nationalism that people... Absolutely, I mean, the really depressing part beyond the actual human suffering that people are facing

is that it makes you realize how fragile progress is. I mean, it could be wiped away at any time. People have been fighting the Civil Rights Act for 60 years. It's like the Supreme Court's the one check where it's like the majority can't vote on the rights of the minority is the Idea there and it's so fragile with a presidential candidate coming in and replacing three, but even but even I have to say I mean You know, it it seems like you know, it's so weird is when I was a kid People would talk about World War two and they would talk about the Holocaust and it would be like we can never forget We must never forget this it's so important to talk about the Holocaust and it would be like We can never forget we must never forget this

It's so important to remember this thing happened and I was always like yeah, okay I get it like I live with this thing my entire life like if you're if you're growing if you grew up Jewish you hear about The Holocaust basically not at least in my family. It was a kind of a non-stop like Low hum in the background that it would come up at times. Like, friends of the family, people in my family like had been, had a direct experience with it. But now it is like, there's a new generation. That generation considers facts like kind of malleable. And we've allowed this kind of like,

this like short-term memory to see been to the process where it's like you don't think of how bad it can actually get, where it seems like Hitler is almost erased. Like the idea of a Hitler or a genocide is erased, slavery, the idea of slavery, and the insane human bondage that existed in this country, not that long ago, is erased. And now it's like...

Well, it's easy to romanticize things that you're far removed from and they become a little blurrier. Yeah, forget them all together. Yeah. Anyhow, this is a real upbeat end to this. Right, heading towards a... So finally, to put a fine point on it. Last World Great Show.

River City Ransom. River City Rampage. River City Ransom is the other game that I was thinking of. River City Rampage is the game that I've been playing on my Vita. Westworld is all about Pepe the Frog, mostly. Andy Hopkins is actually the end of the first episode. He takes off his face and it's Pepe underneath. It's pretty terrified. That would come in. Yeah, all right, any final thoughts, TC?

Cow, you really went down. Good luck out there. I'm dev spiraled down. I'm building a nuclear fallout shelter. Those are going to be relevant again. Let me direct you to a piece. One of the, I think the first feature that the Verge ran in 2011, it's called condo at the end of the world. Literally the first feature we ran. It was on day one, November 1st, 2011, November 21st, 2011, condo at the end of the world written by Joseph Flatley, a great friend and a great writer, a beautiful video shot by, I believe Jordan Oplinger and Billy Disney, I can be wrong about that. Really?

They work now. Not really sure. I believe it's the outline. Definitely, definitely the outline. Really work now. Not really sure. I believe it's the outline. Definitely, definitely the outline. Definitely the outline. And anyhow, take a look at that because we're all going to need to build our own fallout shelters pretty soon with luxury features. And I think that's the best we can hope for.

Vault tech really does seem like a Trump corporation. Actually, the whole fall Fallout storyline is eerily prescient when you think about it. A 1950s America kind of like encapsulated in a world of nuclear Fallout shelters. And Vault Boy is Eric Trump. Really makes you think, really makes you think. Vault Boy, Donald Trump Jr., and Eric, Jay Trump.

That would be a great storyline for Fallout 5 though. You know, they kind of reboot the mythology behind it and you're fighting a bunch of mutant frogs. Pappas. Racist mutant frogs. Pappas. Well, there are some mutant frogs in Fallout, aren't there? Yeah, but they're not drawing swastikas on the swastikas.

Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, are people drawing swastika's on the swastika's. Oh, wait, wait a second. Are people putting swastika's on people's houses? No, not yet. Okay, not yet. Exactly. That's the thing. All right, well, T.C., thank you for coming on the show. This was such a not-beaten, wonderful, at the place, I guess.

I really enjoyed our time together. I will say this, I don't think this would have gone in any other direction, no matter what we did. I think that we were always faded to end up in this place, just like the people on lost who experienced the push and pull of time, energy, and human emotion. We have to go back.

To a time America was great. Well, that is our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow. And as always, I wish you and your family the very best. Though unfortunately, your family has just braxeted along with Pepe the Frog and Peter Teal.