Tomorrow - Episode 84: The Voice of Joanna Stern

Episode Date: February 28, 2017

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And a very special guest. And a very special guest, very special. And of course talking about the Wall Street Journal's Joanna Stern. That's me. Joanna, thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. Or is that like to think of the new, younger, female wall mask record? Do you like that? Do you like that comparison? Yes. I like to think of the new younger female wall must work.

Do you like that? Do you like that comparison? Yes. Are you more like Walt? Then? Then anybody else? I'm more like Walt than anyone else. You're more like Walt than anybody else in the world.

No, but I mean, like you essentially are doing what he used to do at the journal. Yeah. And I guess Jeff Fowler also does. He's kind of in there in the mix. Yeah. But like, that's too great. The Yeah. But like, it took two people. The wall is so incredible that it took two human beings,

whole, fully formed adult humans to do his job. It really did. Anyhow, but you've been to the journal now for a long time. I have been for a long time. You're like an old school journal. I had an old school journal. Now, what do you make of this, all this, there's a lot of hubbub going on about what's the politics of the journal.

Yeah. You can't probably talk about this. Gerard Baker, is that his name, going on about what's the politics of the journal. Yeah. You can't probably talk about this. Gerard Baker. Is that his name? The editor in chief of the journal? I mean, I covered technology. Gerard Baker, right? That's his name.

Did I get that right? It is. Gerard Baker. Gerard Baker. Gerard Baker. Yeah. He made some comments. He didn't, he wanted to tone down some of the language.

I mean, of course, you can't comment on this. I'm not going to comment on it. I'm just talking about it. I'm just talking about it. I don't want to put your talking down. I want to put your your job in. Actually, before we started, Joe Anna was like, let me tell you something, the editor-in-chief of the journal is the most upstanding, smartest, best journalist

I've ever worked with, and he always does the right thing, that was her quote. That was my quote. It was incredible. Anyhow, so you've been at the journal, you're still covering technology. Still covering technology. Actually, this is something I want to talk about.

Yeah. Are you bored? Are you bored yet? Yes. It's boring, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, we're in a real... So, yes and no. Okay. So actually, very, very diplomatic answer. Yes and no. I spend a lot of my time covering technology, spend a lot of my time doing some other things right now. What does that mean? It's very mysterious. Working on, I do a lot of video work, I do a lot of my time doing some other things right now. What does that mean? It's very mysterious. Working on, I do a lot of video work. I do a lot of video. Other things. Yeah, people love your videos.

Yeah, it's been a lot of time at the journal working on videos. Very, very funny, smart, in lightning videos. A lot of your personality in there. So I think, when we podcasted like maybe a year and a half ago, when you were in that dorm room, where were you at that dorm room. Dorm room. Remember you had the dorm room podcast studio? What? Like a hippie room with a wooden table.

Oh, Argo, Argo. Yeah. It was a dorm. Great studio. Wonderful studio. It's a really nice studio. Yeah, I mean, it's good enough for the moth. Yeah.

You know, you don't like it? I liked it. I was saying it looked like it. Yeah, that's why it's great. They have an incredible tapestry. This place looks like a fallout chapter. Okay, this is basically made from the same component as the fallout chapter. Anyhow, so when we were at the very last time, it's a little warm in this room.

We haven't quite got the ventilation down, but in my defense, that's not kind of not my problem. Is that bad? No, it's a big problem. That's from the thing around the corner. Yeah, that's good. It took everything in me. Let me tell you the list, Nerva, what's happening because because they don't know I'm going to Hawaii next week and I cannot do

Not congratulations Joanna is drinking a cafe on Jelique iced coffee That she bought from around the corner from where our offices, which is in Soho in a little Little card Yeah, and he had donuts that look great They're okay, and I did not he It's done. It's that look great. They're okay. And I did not, he tried to get me to get a donut and I did not do it.

You want to get a good donut. You get on the train, you go to Green Point, you go to Peter Pan. Where? It's on Green, it's on Manhattan Avenue. You have to take the G there. I don't know how you can get a car, but I'll tell you this, it's Tina Fey's favorite donut truck. Oh, so you had me a Tina Fey.

Right, okay. Well, I had one yesterday and it was fucking outrageous. Yeah. They also make donuts ice cream sandwiches, which is where they cut a donut in half and put ice cream in the middle of the minutes. Yeah, so like I said, I'm going to Hawaii next week. Yeah, well, you can't do it when you give out.

Go when I get back, I'll go there. Anyhow. But so back to your question about is technology warring? Yeah. Yes and no. I think one of the interesting things about being a technology journalist right now is obviously it's seeping into a lot of political journalism, which people are doing some great

stuff on. But also when it comes to personal technology, we still have a number of things that are not great. Like the fork, vibrating fork is still not perfect. It's not perfect. Oh my God. That was my first column at the journal. I remember. I remember.

I'm like, I'm like, this is what she's doing at the journal. This fork, I was like, I had so many great fork like columns. Monkers traffic. I'm sure I'm in for a piece. It was the biggest piece I've ever done. Is it really? No.

I wouldn't be surprised. That's what people want to read about. They want to read about the fork. That's because we're so desperate for new technology. They're like, if you can make a fork, like there's this like, I mean, people who don't know, the fork was called the Happy Fork.

Yeah. And it was a fork that would vibrate if you were eating too fast. Yeah, it would tell you to slow down by vibrate it in your mouth. And it's even funny to me that I could even come up with like 600 words to write about this. Is that how many words it was?

I think so. It felt longer when I was like, it's scabby that much I could even come up with like 600 words to write about this. How many words was it? I think so. It felt longer when I got it. It's like scabby that much to say about the fork. Yeah. I mean, it's one of those things that, by the way, I'm sorry, I hate to rehash. I don't want to go back into the past because you were saying something.

But it's one of those things that, you know, when you go to CES, the consumer electronics show, you see there are actually call it only CES now. There are, well, they can call whatever they want, but we know what it is. There are CES and CES of things like the fork there always. Like I saw a thing, the Verge cover, it's like this breast pump.

It's like you put it into a bra or whatever. I mean, I think actually that might be one of the better things released at CES this year. Maybe, it's like the idea that you're like are gonna get up and go a while pumping. I mean, like the best thing I saw at CES was a sticky note printer. So that just gives you- That's cool. That is cool. Wait CES with there was a sticky note printer. So that just gets you.

That's cool. That is cool. Wait, is it a print, a sticky note that you think can put on something? Yes. So you can write something on your phone and then print it out on a sticky note instead of just writing it on the sticky note. When are they going to make a phone with a built-in printer? Why don't they do that?

I had a meeting with our CTO today and I was like, I know there's a lot of other things, but we have a problem with our printer on our floor. Oh, no. And I think he thought it was a joke, but I'm not completely in that joke. You probably print stuff out, right? I print everything I write out. Everything?

You look red-lined in my hands? Yes. Really? My final drafts in my column, I always forget. Oh, I forgot to mention, Joanna's turn is 85 years old. So wait a second. Do it I forgot to mention, Joanna Stern is 85 years old. So wait a second. Do it on my typewriter, right?

My first job on the typewriter. So you were saying, a lot of stuff is converging, technology and politics and then. Yeah, and I think like on personal tech, which I now do one series that's completely dedicated to just small little tips that people don't really know. Life hacks. Life hacks, yeah, exactly. Like what, what's last one you did? do one series that's completely dedicated to just small little tips that people don't really know.

Life hacks. Life hacks. Yeah, exactly. Like what? What's last when you did? Had a clean your phone because it's really dirty. You just use a cloth. I think.

Yeah. It's not the way. Obviously I'm paid a lot of money for me to say something a lot. I think it's just going to go warm. Paper towel. No, paper towels are terrible. Pull a warm water on it. Please bleep all this out.

Oh, don't give this advice. Just an extended bleep. No. No. Wait, really? No, you're just bad. You'll scratch your screen. I don't think so.

You will have to buy a new ice. I do this all the time. Do not do that. That was my lead. Do not pants wipe. Why? It's fine. It looks fine.

You're smearing all of the shit on your, can you care some this podcast? Yeah, you can say everything on this podcast. Everything. Yeah, of course. Oh, God. We're not, we're not owned by some conglomerate. We're not part of news, Corp. You can say fuck.

We're not part of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, TBS, TNT. We're not part of any of those things. Okay, anyhow, I can tell this podcast already is going to be one of our most hated. Yeah, that's definitely going to happen. I really don't remember. I would say that you didn't have to clean your phone. So you clean your phone by getting a good microfiber cloth, not all of them are created equal.

Okay. You get the ones from Amazon. You should have to test it for microfibers. I did that. So what's the best one? It's I like the one on Amazon. It's $7. Like a SpaceX?

Amazon, they have make a lot of great shit. They do. It's lovely. I would put the one on Amazon. It's $7. Like a basics Amazon basic Amazon. They have made a lot of great shit. They do. It's lovely. I would put my sleep on there. Sleep on the Amazon basics microfiber. I would. Do they sell? Why don't they make sheets out of microfiber? Maybe comfortable. Oh, yeah, you'd also sweat to death. What's your?

I don't know. I'm so hot in here. Just you're fixated on the warmth in this room. It's not a reflection of all of what's going on in the world. And you know, I don't want to spoil the whole great content I made on this podcast. I get it. Oh, so you see you're doing, so you're doing this call, which is kind of like cat. Yeah, just quick little fun things. Check my back.

It's a way it's called. Oh, well, because you know what? People don't know how to always use their shit. I know. I've read, I've read Walt's Call of the, I'm aware of what people know. No, I know it. It's a cult. Check this out. What's it called? No, that was my old series is it called tech this out? What's it called?

No, that was my old series. It was your old series. This is called you got this. Oh, you got this is good. It's a great name. Tech this out was like good in a way where it's like it's like a bad joke. Yeah, I know.

But I like, I like bad jokes. Yeah, no, it's like a bad joke. And I love it. And we're shooting it vertically. Yeah. Which you guys are doing some awesome stuff here. We're pioneering a very good thing. Yeah, I just tried to poach your guys. So that's cool. Please don't. Please get all doing some awesome stuff here. We were pioneering. I was just trying to poach your guys.

So that's please don't please get all your hands off. You get your filthy hands off of them. But yeah, so we need a good video people, you know, good, good, good, hard to find. I know. They don't want to work with the Wall Street Journal. I know. No offense. I mean, it's different. You know, you're, you're, like, you've got your little fiefdom, you know, you're, You're like a character. You're not working in the dungeon.

It's the Wall Street Journal dungeon. I don't know, I assume they have one. For like video people, they're in some dark room somewhere. We're liberating that. Gerard Baker comes over, it's like, make sure you don't badmouth Trump in that video. That is not what happens. I don't know.

No, he's fine. I'm just having fun with him. He's great. I'm sure he's a great guy. Anyhow. I don't know. No, he's fine. I'm just having fun with it. He's great. I'm sure he's a great guy. Anyhow. I do really like him. I'm sure he's great. He's sure he said some things that are probably inappropriate.

I think right now, we're all mixed up. I think we're living in a context where everyone wants to take at least certain media organizations, words, and kind of skew them. But I think that's probably true. Anyhow, getting back to on topic. Back on topic. So I think it's also very fun to be in a position where you think that everyone's going to be covering

the same thing in the same way. And then you're sort of right when you do. And then you have a different take on something or a more creative way to do it. And that's- Well, your takes tend to be more fun and interesting. I mean, every time you have this before, but you're good at writing and you have a more creative way to do it. And that's... Well, your takes tend to be more fun and interesting. I mean, every time you have this before, but you're good at writing and you have a voice.

Yeah, so when you know, this isn't like five, six years ago, how long ago were you writing iPhone reviews? I mean, I wrote a, I wrote a, I might have done a short iPhone review when I was at Bloomberg, because they were like, do you want to do review? And I was like, yeah, I guess.

I mean, I'm, it was much easier. I did a watch review. When the watch came out, by the last thing, I, and that was a big thing, right? Like, that was it. But like, when you know everyone's gonna have an iPhone or a Galaxy review or whatever,

and it's not that special because, guess what, everyone's gonna buy the phone regardless of your review. Now, the phone to all the same. It's not like, I mean, there's like just minor differences. It's like, this one has a button here. This one are all the same. It's not like, I mean, there's just minor differences. It's like, this one has a button here. This one has a button here.

It's like, well, who the fuck can care? There is something, you know, when you have a little bit more freedom to have fun to capture some attention in some ways, that's kind of fun. I think that, I actually think the things like the tips are kind of like a better, yeah. I think you know, the wire cutter ultimately had sort of, you know, they got bought by the New York Times,

so not surprising, but ultimately sort of made the right bet on the kind of more servicey stuff, which is like, all right, there's gonna be a bunch of things, just kind of tell me which one you think I should get. I don't know that all the recommendations are perfect, but I certainly have. Well, I think also something else is happening,

and that's what I've sort of tried to tap in with my comms, like I don't do as much review, gadget, review-ish stuff anymore because people aren't upgrading as much. So it is about what you can do with the devices, how to get better at doing them, yeah, all the life hack stuff versus what should I go by? Yeah, I find upgrading annoying now. Yeah, it's like one of the last time you got,

I mean, like when did you get it? Well, you have a new job, maybe when you got a new laptop. I actually bought, I had an error, which is a couple of years old, and I was like, when the new Macbooks came out, I was like, oh, I'm gonna get one. I'll remember, I saw your tweets on these. And I think it's terrible. Yeah, it's terrible. I actually leave it here.

I use it as like my work computer, and I barely ever, because when I'm in the office, I'm barely ever like actually sitting and working. Like I'm usually up and doing meetings and stuff. So I barely ever even use it. I bought a surface like a week after I bought it I was so annoyed with it. I was like, you know, I'm just gonna get a surface surface pro for how do you feel about that? I think it's look I mean, there's some really don't like windows has some real problems. It's still as bad really But it's actually way way better and as a computer

It's like I enjoy using it more. It's faster. It feels that surface, which is a thousand bucks, feels faster. It's like the mid-level one I got on sale. Feel faster than your pro. Feels faster than the MacBook. Whatever it's called, the pro. I guess, yeah, whatever the ones are now,

then anyone's at the touch bar. So I was just having this meeting with our CTO again, not to bring this up again. But I was the best meeting I had today. The printer meeting. And I was like, I needed a new computer. Is that where I tell you this? As he manages like, I don't know, 400 developers

or something like that. And I don't think he's the guy though, is it? He said, I.T. person. Yeah, he was like basically you were like coming to me and asking for like the smallest little thing that's not in my control, but I can do it. He said what new computer do you want? And I was like well, I don't even know It's like you don't know and I was like no because the new MacBook pros. I really don't want them

I really want an old one. They suck. I mean my review was like get the old one you use it. You know it Yeah, reviewed it. I reviewed it and I was like, you know, I I've I still stand by that review Which was you should probably get the old one, which is crazy for me to tell you to get a three-year-old computer. My two-year-old air seems faster and more capable than that. So should I just get another air? I mean, the air here's the air. Great battery life.

Yeah, terrible screen. The screen is low resolution, but the low resolution means that it's actually a performance faster. And the question for you is like, how high, but the surface is a nice screen. I know, I really wanna be able to like, so I didn't get the big one though. The surface, whatever the bigger surface is, the one that's like got the curved hinge.

Oh, that's the surface book. Surface book, yeah, I didn't get that. I got like the little one. And I also liked the fact that it's small. And also the pen is awesome. The pen is really cool. I used the pen in some art for a story that we did recently. Really?

Yeah. I just had it someone come to a meeting with the iPad Pro and the pen and I sort of thought to myself, douchebag. Yeah, the iPad, because iPad suck. I mean, they're not good for doing anything. But even so, this lead came with the pen as sort of, you know, a lot of people. I mean, what's he doing?

Like drawing a sketch or somebody in the meeting? No, he's just writing things. He's taking notes. Stupid. You want to take notes get a pad. Yeah. That's what I say. Yeah. Cause I'm a billion years old. I got I got a great new note pad this week. Did you? Yeah. What make? I don't know. It's like a non. Not a moly. Not a mullis. No. I got it at a bookstore in Jersey City. It's very hip. He loves Jersey.

Love Jersey originally from Jersey originally born and bred from Jersey. Yeah, I don't know anything about that. What part of Jersey? Be from Westfield. Westfield. Is that like pretty hoidy toy deer? What? People use the phrase hoidy toy deer around there. I don't think so. You're a Westchester guy now. Highfalutin. Well, yeah, I mean, that's true. Yeah. But I don't think of myself as someone from there. I mean, you are there from there. I'm there, I'm physically there, but that's not a verflexion if who I am as a person. I just found a really cool house.

I mean, honestly, do you know the story about why I moved out of, you know, I don't live in Brooklyn, name or it's just everybody knows. We know. I don't have people on the podcast. I don't talk about, I guess I've probably got that. Listeners have been waiting to see you in Brooklyn for one. They've been standing around and they've sat outside of my old house.

No, but no, the whole reason it was literally, I didn't even know the area. I just found this awesome house. I was like, this house is awesome. It's like a mid-century, like really awesome mid-century. And then I only later did I discover that the area. Is there upstairs? Is it a branch? No upstairs.

It's a board floor. It's a Y-shaped house. That's cool. It's one floor. It's a Y-shaped house. That's cool. It's very cool. It's awesome. And it's like, you know, it's worth all of the trade-offs, which is like having to commute an hour. That's, yeah.

But you know, I talked to people here and they're like, it takes me 45 minutes or an hour to get in from like Queens. And I'm like, okay, well, I don't feel that bad. And you're in your car, you drive right in. My car, I take the train sometimes. Oh, we should take a break, should we take a break? I was gonna say one of our sponsors could solve your problem.

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I think it's very interesting about Alexa and Siri and Cortana and the idea that all of these digital assistance, these new digital assistance are women. Now wait, Siri, you can change the voice. You can change the voice. You can make it like a British guy if you want. John's is an Australian man. It makes me so mad.

It's like Gad mad. So mad. It's like, Gadi. Siri, say hi. Hello. How's that? Who's this guy? That's an American Siri. American man.

Why don't they give him a different name? You mean like, I know, like, sir. Shouldn't the American man Siri be like, cock. Right. Oh, you mean just doing like an American. American man stuff. Just think people from all over the world have to repeat lines like I'm Siri, the virtual assistant. That's insane.

Okay. So tell me about, give me your central complaint about the situation. Well, so yes, the main complaint is actually what we're talking about. Is that Siri can be a male or a female, even though it has a female voice. Yeah. And kind of a female name female even though it has a female voice. Yeah. And kind of a female name. Yeah, it's a female name. Right.

Siri is a... By default, it has a female name and a female voice. Right. We can change the voice. And that's actually really important because for two reasons. One, we need to have a baseline where we have these AIs be male and female. It just like we shouldn't just think of these assistance as secretaries that are only female, right?

Even if that's... I would agree with that. So obviously, the second thing is that one of... But you wouldn't think that from the way these are marketed. No, you wouldn't think that from the way these are marketed, but I mean... You would think that like... You're...

It's a subservient woman here to help you. Yeah, and you scream at them a lot, right? Because they're not working. You're like, when's my, what are my taxes do? What are your taxes? Or what is the fucking weather after you've asked it a million times, right? Right, you do actually get, you sort of do end up

being having a little animosity towards the thing. Right, I mean, I think Alexa solved a little bit of that, right? Like she's pretty good. I just unplugged Alexa after reading some stories today. Oh, what would happen? Well, she's just recording everything. Oh, great.

Great. Yeah. Literally, there's a case going on right now that's like, can Alexa be subpoenaed? Right. It's like a first amendment issue. Right. Can she be subpoenaed for like a murder case? An Amazon's like, it has freedom of speech.

No, that's what they said. Between that and Citizens United, I'm a little worried. Yeah. Alexa has, it's like, is first amendment rights or apply to Alexa? But what was actually recorded on Alexa? A murder, I think, or should we talk about a murder? Does Alexa get like one phone call if Alexa gets arrested? I was like, can you give Alexa the death penalty?

Well, Alexa, I don't know, I don't know. I just skimmed. I'm very busy. So we were talking about it today. But no, but that's true, though, because I think the Alexa does record before it has, like, I think it's a couple of seconds of recording before she hears her voice. You hear the prompt.

But that doesn't make any sense. That means she's recording all the time and she's just saving this stuff from right before you hear the prompt. That's right. Which is very upset, I think. But that's always the way that it's been. Now, whatever, I understand that, but I'm saying that you not know that. I didn't really think about it, but also I don that's always the way that it's been. Now, whatever, I understand that, but I'm saying when you- Did you not know that?

I didn't really think about it, but- Yeah. Also, I don't like Alexa and I find her annoying and she doesn't do anything that I really need, so- How else will you find out the weather? I can find out the weather in all sorts of ways. Look at the window. I don't think that's a positive thing.

I look at one of those, I put one of those little temperature things on my window, this little, that every old person has, yeah. It's turned yellow. With mercury in it. And I just go like, all right, it's sexy. I run a ticket chance with the Mercury Poisoning.

I've only reason, I've been wearing my Apple Watch recently. The only real reason is because it has the temperature right here. And I'm like, what's the temperature? And it's like, okay, by the way, again, it's not turning on. 100%. I put up with notifications, telling me to stand all day long just so I can know what I fit during the evening.

Or the time. The stand and the breathe notifications. It's like, the breathe notification always comes when I do not need to breathe. It's like take it easy. I don't need to, I don't need to, it's like just take a breath. It's like you take a breath.

You been trusting me on all day while I did. You're over to look at it. The breathing, the breathing thing can be turned off. I know that. The standing thing can also be turned off. I'm too busy for that. Okay, I'm too busy. This is why you need to watch. You've got this. I know that the standing thing can also be turned off. I'm too busy for that Okay, I'm too busy. It's why you need to watch you got this. I teach you how to do these This is why I need a not a virtual assistant to do it for me

Preferably a real assistant Ugly baby. Okay, so any house you need a man. I I Assistant a male or female Like my actual Like human is just like human assistant here is a woman. Okay, but you've had male assistant. I've had two male assistants previously. I think that's great. I say, yeah, I've had, yeah, that's right.

Yeah. No, I don't, I have no, I don't care. That's gender equality. I don't care. I don't care. As long as you're helping me, you could be whatever you want to be. So, so that I'm blind to gender, okay. I only. So, these are blind to gender. I only care about if somebody's going to see gender.

All I see is how much your helping me get something done. All I see is how you're getting my coffee. That's right. That's what Josh really meant to say. All I see is whether or not you've got me the right salad dressing. Now, other than that, I've not seen it anyhow. Hopefully. We haven't had any issues yet. Okay, so the other the other

main thing that's actually very interesting is so as these voice assistants start to do more even though we have agreed here that they don't do much very well. Google's Google's assistance very good. You think versus Alexa? I think that I find that Google on the Pixel, that's the best, most useful, most articulate, most understanding of the assistance. So, and I think Google actually stands in the place to actually start to use these assistants to guide us to do certain things because we go to Google and we find it in instructions

on how to do stuff or whatever, right? Like Google sits in good spot for that. Like you might Google, how do I clean my phone and you had to have the Wall Street Journal or something. You probably ended up with my voice. Yeah. But like one of the big problems that ends up happening now is that they found in these studies is that they,

the reason we have female voices, right? And Amazon told me this and Microsoft told me this. The reason we have the female voices is that men and women say they prefer female voices. They say that this is a better sounding voice to us. And then, so that's, they've decided female voices are important, right? They want more people to listen and use these things, and they know that market research shows they have people like female voices better.

People like them better. They say that, yes. The some of the academic studies show, the academic studies show that actually women really do prefer female voices. Well, men are horrible. I know. Have you seen them? Have you talked to them?

You're talking to them on right now. It seems. Also, women are horrible. I mean, everybody's bad in a certain way, but men are worse. You have to agree. I mean, let's just look at it. You know, like, it's, I mean, bad women are bad and bad men are bad, but there's a lot more bad men. Why are there more bad men?

Because men are awful. I mean, why? Because we're driven by animalistic instincts and we can't control ourselves. It's back care. I mean, back care is priceless. But I think, but I think, you know, you look at the worst of whatever men are doing currently and it's like, they're just like thuggish. They're just like broots, they're just like bullying broots. Right. Because they're basically like cavemen. Right. Like they're kind of like they're core instant.

Not all men. Not, well, that's, you can't really say that, but not all men. No, of course, like not all men are the worst. Right. Most are bad. Some are better than others. But I mean, not all male voices are not pleasing to me.

I think your voice is very pleasing. I have an extremely dull set tone. Yeah. And here's the thing. Yeah, okay, voices. I mean, I guess in behavior also, I know a lot of wonderful men who are just like normal human beings. I think there are plenty of guys like that.

But then you have a Trump situation and it's like all men seem just so bad. And he's surrounded themselves with literally hundreds and hundreds of horrible people who are predominantly white men. Did they say if like genderless voices are more irritating or less? So it's a good question. No, they can't actually. Do you think the worst genderless? Every time I got on customer service,

they say, how long is this will hand? Every, I don't find your voice genderless. It's a really good point, right? Actually, and so the companies have not experimented it seemed with genderless voice. And the two, like, I've spent to nuance, who makes the voice technology. And they say, it's hard to do, and they haven't done it.

There's a quote. Genderless voice is hard. Yeah, I just said that. Is it hard though? Like, couldn't you just split the different? Yeah, that's what I, so, another company is trying to put male and female voices together, like combine the other facts. Right, right, yeah, exactly.

Or why don't just just raise the pitch of the male voice or lower the pitch of the, I feel like you then would start to, because it's really, so then the really the end of the problem ends up being that humans want to assign a gender, right? Yeah, yeah. As many transgender people know, is that they, you know, anyone who's sort of is out there

and you're not really sure, well, you either use he or she because there's not really any easy way of saying something else, like so much language. That is a very bad idea. There's that. Yeah, that's what it was. And then you guys watch people fly into a rage every time you try to get this much hard, though. It's very hard.

So M people want to end up assigning a gender to our robots. So I think, well, sure, that makes sense because that's just like people doing what people have always done, right? I mean, you're just like, you have a kid, it's a boy, it's a girl, it means that that's like basic reality. But what's worrisome is that,

like as these start to talk to us, there are certain the sexist roles sort of play out in the things you would think humans feel, right? So people felt more, with one academic study, people felt more comfortable with a male voice teaching them about technical things, like computers. Oh, it's true. And they felt more comfortable with females talking about love and relationships, right?

And that's a problem because if we only have females or males and we don't have control over these things, then these companies can use us this to brainwash us or to do whatever they would like to us. It'd be cool if we had some kind of conversation or some sort of interaction that where the voice was sort of changed to sort of meet your specific personality. Like what a purr, so it was like, it kind of started off totally neutral. And then, and then it kind of adapted to what it felt you were responding to or not responding to.

In that case, you could just be like, well, it's just responding to like who I am. Right, as me as a person. Right, you want to keep Phoenix could talk to it all day long. Is that what happens in her? I think it is. So they have a thing where she can have establishes

like who she is. But I think he picks her out. Yeah, he gets like a quiz. Yeah. It's like a personality test like BuzzFeed's out. And then it's like, this is your girlfriend and he's like, cool. But she's not. But her is a great example of promoting this kind of bad concept, which is like the female.

Well, you know, it's like the manic pixie dream girl as a personal assistant, right? Right. But then she makes me watch her super powers. And he's like, but don't you want to talk about assistant, right? Right. But then she makes me watch, right? She's super powers. And he's like, but don't you want to talk about my favorite color? Right. But she's like, I have other stuff to do. I'm a super computer. Spoiler alert, she starts dating another AI or something.

Right. I don't know. This is how it is. I mean, I think we've all interpreted this movie in our own ways. I don't know. Spoiler alert, pause the podcast or use the little skip button if you want to. Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm just saying guy, moving in our own ways. And spoiler alert, pause the podcast or use the little skip button if you don't need to. Yeah, I'm like, they all fall in love with each other

and make a giant supercomputer orgy and leapskips. Yeah, like, I love how we've all. All the computers like take off. Yeah. Oh, so it's kind of like interesting. Actually, in the one I watched, she became a lesbian. I don't think that happened. Yeah.

See, we all just played out with our fancies. We're going to be in her. Does that happen? Yeah, in my opinion. Because you're the one who I want. I understand that they leave it kind of open. And in your read is that she's like, going to be in her. Does that happen? Yeah. In my mind. You're saying they leave it kind of open and in your read is that she's like, she's a lesbian. That's interesting. Yeah. Because that's what I would, I mean, she's Scarlett Johansson. And she's great. What we're all wondering about.

Well, are you excited about Ghost in the Shell? Don't know what that is. Movie starring Scarlett Johansson based on the Jack famous Japanese anime film, Ghost in the Shell. In the in the Shell. In the strong tradition of Emma Stone, Scarlett Johansson plays an Asian character. Yeah, there's actually a lot of, yeah,

that's a lot of that going on now. What did you say? I asked if she was naked in the movie. I don't know, she seems almost nude in many scenes based on what I've seen. I will see it. There's a film you can see her nude in, but I don't think you would enjoy it very much.

It's called Under the Skin. I think it's called Under the Skin. Is that what it's called? Yeah, that's what it's called. Did you watch it? It's directed by the guy who, I can't think of his name right now, directed a famous radio head video

called Rabbit in the headlights, a rabbit in your headlights, rabbit in the headlights. He also directed a movie called Saxi B, so it's one of my favorite movies. Jonathan Glazer. Jonathan Glazer, thank you. He also directed a terrible movie

with Nicole Kim and called Birth, which side. Oh my god, no, birth is great for that one scene. This is where I begin googling everything. Anyhow, Joanna, okay, so what's, so how do we, what are we going to do here? Are we going to have better assistance? Well, I mean, what Apple's doing is a great step, right? You can have the, you can have the male and the female voices. They give you options. But they don't let you, like, they don't, do they ever give you a step where you get to choose? No. They just give you serious. They just hit it.

They don't even say like, would you like a male assistant or a female assistant? What would your voice? No, they don't do that in the US. Yeah. And they don't do that anywhere else. But in the UK and India, etc. The default is the male voice.

That's so interesting. Yeah. That's so interesting. And they say it's cultural. They say it's cultural. Why not just at the beginning? Why not just say, here's some voice options, and you can listen to them.

I have no idea. And you say pick the one you like best. I mean, I have fire, herbiviristine. Yeah. And if you're listening to this apple, maybe this is something you put into iOS 11 or whatever it is that's coming out. Tim, could I keep four degrees?

Sorry, fire state. Tim, cook and Johnny I, if I know you're listening to my podcast, please do take a break from saidy nasty, apple park and also writing nasty memos about how you much you disagree with Trump and maybe think about it. But actually don't take a break from that, keep doing that. No, keep doing that. How will you have people who can do that for you? I'm sure that.

And then take a break and make this on option when you boot up your phone. So there's an Apple event coming up, right? Mm-hmm. I mean, there'll be one in June. No, there's an OWDC, right? But they just announce the dates, which is unusual. It is.

They don't normally do that. I'm so out of, I'm so like, not in, I mean, I'm still nerdy. We've been down. I just, I just, why I'm looking at you. I would thank you. I would. I wrote a thing today that's very nerdy about video games. Yeah.

But, I was, so have you been writing a bit? I saw, you wrote one piece a couple of weeks ago. I wrote a thing last week about the deep state. And I wrote a thing today about video games totally related. I'm exploring, I'm writing a little bit. I'm not writing as much because we have a lot of, we have a ton of stuff to do and there's like I'm sort of making cool video games. I love the Elon Musk thing. We're doing more of that. We actually have some stuff in the hopper that we're going to be doing more of that. We are working on a bunch of interesting projects along those lines.

And I haven't been writing that much, but you know, I mean, there's a lot of other people to, there's a lot of other things to worry about here. But I haven't even been on here. I think the site looks awesome. Thank you. It's, you know, don't say anything, you don't really feel. No, and I love, you know what I love about watching it is like it's really evolving. Like in, um, and I feel like in a way that you can tell like you're taking user feedback or, or whatever.

And it's, um, I don't know if you listen to the users, but you listen to yourself. We listen to the users and we listen to our hearts. Yeah. And, uh, and the combination of those things is really useful. Is your heart a male or female voice? Uh, it's, uh, gender neutral. I mean, genderless. I don't hear, you know, my heart has actually no voice.

I don't know what it's big. That's the important thing about being a man. Never let you, never let your heart. But you can do anything when you're a man. That's right. You can do anything you want. That's a great thing. What's that being a white man?

Except listen to your heart. You know, it's funny. I was talking to Laura about the being Jewish and because Jews are white, like I'm white, you know, I look like I go white guy, but I'm also like hated. Well, Jews are definitely a minority in a way, right? And like, hey, definitely hated.

And like, I've had situations where I've gotten into like arguments or even like physical, like in school, like fights with people over my being Jewish, which has like made me different than other people, but it's like, it's school, like fights with people over my being Jewish, which has like made me different than other people, but it's like, it's different than like, you know, if you're black, because you are done in the street, like you can't, like people are like, oh, that's a black person,

like, because you can see. With Jews, it's like interesting, because like once people find out, then you can see it, but like until they find out, you're just a very young or white person. I mean, they'll make assumptions based on, you know, your last name or your, yeah, your, my, my, my rabbinical love.

Yeah, yeah. Um, the fact that I'm always wearing, has several heavy black coats and huge black hats. Yep. But the way they don't know is just my wizard costume. Um, but, uh, any else interesting, like, you know, you probably experienced this. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I feel, I actually experienced it last week a lot because PewDiePie fans who are very, very, very angry at the whole journey.

But did you say, did you, oh, that's right. Oh, yeah, right. Well, we wrote a thing too about that because I mean, it's ridiculous, but like, the thing about, so funny about PewDiePie, I can't believe we're talking about PewDiePie, but what's so funny is the jujokes, that's so funny.

Yeah, yeah. So here's the, I think there is this like weird disconnect, like European people, like Swedish people and Danish people, like they don't really, I mean, I think that he probably has a problem like based on what I saw and not just from the Wall Street Journal video, but other things. I think like he doesn't, he clearly has some kind of latent dislike or ideas about Jewish people that are negatives. Because like why, why just like would you yeah why Jews right.

Um, but you know, it's like the thing they say is like there's always some truth in a jail. Like there's definitely some truth in his job, right. But it's like I also think there's a kind of cultural like like you probably like literally never been in the room with more than like one or two black people in your whole life or whatever. Like I know people from Sweden and they do have a different cultural association. They just don't have the same sensitivity. Part of it is I kind of understand, the thing

that's annoying about PewDiePie is that he's doing some Trump shit about the media. He's like, they're out to get me. He's like, why would the Wall Street Journal be out to get you? It's like, what possible dog in the hunt could they have? And, you know, like I said, these fans were just insane. They're completely insane. And anyone from the Wall Street Journal who had tweeted about PewDiePie and whatever, they just completely came after you. And so, for me, I got lots of terrible tweets

of people calling me, you know, everything from a kite to a cunt. Really? Oh yeah. Really? Yeah. So, you know, what, did you, were you defending the coverage? I tweeted a video that we did on it. Yeah. Yeah. To say, I know those people are completely out of their mind. I said that honestly, you should watch this video because you can't really understand this story without seeing the footage, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, no, people are like, the videos takes it all out of context. People were like, we're writing to us and tweeting to us and they're like, some person who's Jewish made a video explaining it.

So you should watch it. I'm like, I don't fucking care if the person made a video explaining and their Jewish. I know. Maybe there were better ways to have done the video. I wasn't really all that involved with it. But you know, I think what we needed to show the footage, we showed the footage. That's what people wanted to see. And no matter how you contextualize, he had these guys hold up a sign. He decided what they wanted them to write on it. And it said death to all Jews. And he definitely thought it was funny at the time. He thought it was. And he paid people in developing nation five dollars and he's a millionaire.

And the whole thing, the whole thing is this. And then he, like, first he did that. Then he decided to cut it into his video and respond to it. And then he decided to post it. Right. And it's not like you can set up the context where you're like, it's an episode of always sunny and they're all bad people in the record. Right. And for the record, like, there are other instances of him making like anti-Semitic jokes

or juice, you know, like, mate mentioning juice or whatever. Right, I had a whole other bit on Jesus. Yeah, and, and, and right. And it's like, that stuff is, it's like present. If you know it, if you ever experienced it, and I think a lot of the people who are writing to me are like, just don't know. They're like people who are like regular white people

or they're people who live in Sweden. And like, you don't really know what it's like to be on the receiving end or to hear people talk like that and have a sensitivity to it. But, but the fans are fucking deranged. But you see a short walk while it's some of them are not. Some of them are actually like full grown adults. That's what was most shocking to me.

And they also are very savvy. People who I encountered are like adults. And it's like, I understand you're a first of being a fan. I think fans are bad. I keep saying this, like, fandom is a bad thing. I think fandom has spawned like a lot of nasty shit in our modern society. So being a fan of anybody is odd.

Being a fan of PewDiePie to me is really strange. Because, like, I understand he's like funny and you're like watching his videos or whatever, just like to think like I'm a stand for fucking PewDiePie. It just seems like a really weird place to be mentally. I know, I think the blaming the media for what his fallout is insane. But that's the piece that we twisted Disney's arm. We said Disney.

I mean, we went to Google and we said, like, no. Like, these companies decided to make decisions based on what they saw. This is, I mean, literally, it's like, is like, the reporters went to the Wall Street Journal, or sorry, the reporters went to Disney and they were like, this is up here. Hey, what do you guys think of this? Do you have a comment in Disney? It was like, we're deleting that. Yeah, that's exactly what happened.

We're not, right. I mean, it's like, of course, Disney. And that's reporting. We went, like, we have to, and we reached out to him. No, you guys were, it was a home, you were trying to undermine his career. No, it's like here's the deal. You put this on the internet and then a reporter saw,

I was like that strange. They went to like the very large multinational corporation that owns his, whatever his business is. And like, hey, did you know, what's your comment on this with like a reporter does? And then Disney did what Disney does, which is like, oh, we're going to distance ourselves as much as possible from that because we don't support anti-Semitism or anything that even looks

like it because we're fucking Disney and we sell our shit to everybody. And the people just don't understand. The thing is, he's trying to paint this story. I don't know how we ended up. That's fine. We're talking about it's good. I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying it.

I'm enjoying it. He painted this picture of like the media's out to get him. And he's like trying to like jump onto the fake news and the media is the enemy train. It's like, you know what? Like that's not reality. And what Trump says is not reality. And it's like we, people need to wake the fuck up. I mean, the idea, I like he's like the failing news that can't be trusted. It's like NBC, New York Times, CBS, CNN. It's like, okay, go wash it in post. It's like, okay, so every literally, as if we're on a slackroom getting close to that, we need to take down PewDiePie this week. But literally like the most, some of the most respected, most historic, most important news brands that have ever existed, that have literally changed

the course of history with their reporting. Somehow Donald Trump has some inside track to know about how they're really not delivering the goods. But that's like, it gives these fucking guys like PewDiePie and like Milo and like Richard Spencer, the opportunity to ride those coattails and create this vision of the world that is completely detached from reality. And I mean, like, it's also the internet, right? I mean, the internet in the middle of this all is, is frankly, what we're finally experiencing, which is that people have these massive platforms

to say whatever they would like. And they, I think deep down, Trump or PewDiePie believe that they can say it without the press getting in the way or without the without the. Well, that's the bullshit we've been struggling to everybody, which is like you go direct to the and it's like, okay, you can go direct, but people are going to fact check you. Yeah. And also like people can watch with their own two eyes, right? Right.

I mean, there's no spin. It's crazy to me. Anybody who watches like Trump and hears him talk and hears the things that he says and has any knowledge of what is going on in the world and thinks that he's not just lying all the time is insane to me. It's like, I can't imagine what being in that reality is like, because like, listen, I don't think Hillary Clinton is being honest all the time either. I'm like very open-minded to the idea that like lots of politicians are saying lots of bullshit. Obama said a lot of bullshit, but like I also can recognize when

somebody's telling the truth and you can also put some facts together and be like, okay, this makes sense. And also like you just felt like there were some real smarts behind some of those people. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Hillary Clinton. Yeah. Super smart. Right. Obama's super smart. Donald Trump, good at business Maybe kind of good at making building selling. Yeah, he can like sell shit to people. He's a wonderful entertainer on very funny charming entertainer on the apprentice. Not, I mean, he's good on TV. Yeah. But so it is like half of the real housewives, but I'm saying I'm saying like I fucking wouldn't want

Spencer Pratt to be president and he was fucking entertaining this shit on the hills. Oh my god. Yeah Yeah, Spencer's great. He was just on was just who weekly? Who's that'll say she was from Laguna I didn't watch the guna. I didn't watch the guna. I only watched the hills and I watched a little bit of the city Which was terrible really bad. I don't even know goon, I only watched the house. And I watched a little bit of the city, which was terrible, really bad. I don't even know what to make of it. And I like sometimes want to blame the internet. I want to blame the internet. It's social media.

Yeah. I mean, it is, I mean, in a weird way, I mean, I actually, I think about, we talk about this, but I also think about it all the time. This is the idea that like you've all this information out there and you think, well, you should be smarter because of it. But like, the thing that like you've all this information out there and you think well you should be smarter because of it. But like the thing that journalists do best when they do their job is you take a bunch

of information and then you explain how it's a story. You say like this is why it all matters. Like here's how it adds up. Like these are the things that are connected. But like in lieu of that guidance often it's easy to take things that seem like information or seem like knowledge and use them in a way that is really dangerous. That's what a lot of people are doing now. They're like, oh, I can cherry pick this and this and put it to the bad way. There are journalists who do that shit too. There are bad journalists.

And even bad journalists at good media organizations. And then actually to come, I don't want to talk about it at a different chief, but I have really. Jerry's great. No, I think a lot of the things he has said lately has been really smart in the sense that he said he believes, and I believe this too, because I do believe our readership is very smart. And I think you guys probably have a very smart readership too.

I like to think so. No, because you have a new site. It's clearly going after a certain type of demographic of people. Correct. It's not just sort of commodity news that you're going to find that I need to click on through Google because I need to get this information. That's right. And so, you know, the journals is similar.

We have a very high- We're along with the Wall Street Journal. I mean- I say to this team, I'm like, we're the new Wall Street Journal. But I actually would say that we actually do have somewhat in common in the sense of that you want to target a type of reader that is smart, that is right? I mean, you know what, dumb readers.

No, no, no, no, you're 100% right. I mean, the entire concept of the outline in terms of our audience is, I mean, we literally, it's like, it's not for everyone, it's for you. But what I mean by that is is we are going to do stories that are like for smart, interested, engaged, curious people. That does not sum up all of the world. A lot of people won't care about it and aren't going to give a shit about it and won't

think about it. The people that do are really important to us. I mean, obviously the Wall Street Journal is a different demographic, but we do know that our readers are smart and they can make intelligent decisions and they probably have money because they're paying for the Wall Street Journal is a different demographic. But we do know that our readers are smart and they can make intelligent decisions and they probably have money because they're paying for the Wall Street Journal. So, reading the journal definitely have money. But they want money or they have money.

And back to what he said, our readers are so smart, they will decide for themselves. And we will give them the best possible reporting that we can get, frame it in the best way to make us objective and let them decide. Well, I think, look, I see, there's a, I see this, I agree that in some cases that is the way to do it. I think in other cases, I think actually the problem now is not so much that that's the wrong playbook, because I think it is the right playbook. The problem now is it's like, it's the wrong playbook because I think it is the right playbook.

The problem now is it's like it's so blatant, so often what's going on. It's like so crazy that even in the most like down the middle scenario, it's impossible to not go, but like then the guy would just start a line about a bunch of things and he said, on a terror attack and Sweden, which never happened, and he cited numbers that were totally inaccurate. And it's like, when you start to do that, the problem becomes people on who disagree with you and who disagree with the facts, which is, I don't know how you can handle someone who disagrees with facts. Like, they think that then they are like your,

so the danger is part, I think, is like trying to appease people who cannot be appeased with logic. I'm not saying that you guys are doing that. I don't know who you are. But I think where it gets really, starts to get really murky, is, well, we're trying to, we want to speak to all these people, and we want to speak to Trump supporters, and it's like, but if Trump supporters can't listen to logic, I mean, I heard a person, I was listening to NPR, I think it was either today or yesterday, and they were interviewing people in Wisconsin who had voted for Trump.

And one of the women they talked to, she was like, well, I don't think it's going that well, and I'm gonna give him a chance, and he's got to shake things up, and he made a lot of promises, and she's like, you know, if he does, if this keeps going, she's like, I might just go, I might just go full liberal, full left wing hard-core liberal, and it's like, wait.

That's no no. It's like, what are you talking about? You just voted for the hardest, furthest right possible. So how are you able to swing all, you're talking about every issue. Right. And so I think you've got people who are not making sense. They're not making sense. They're not even thinking about it. And so I think like you've got people who are like not making sense. They're not making sense.

They're not even thinking about it. And so how do you tell those people like the how do you say like to them this thing is made up without them going like you're fake news or whatever. Right. You can't. But isn't it like so emotional at this point like I feel like when I talk to family members it's about emotionally feeling like they were either called resist by Hillary Clinton or they don't have as much money as they want or why are we talking about trans people's bathrooms.

I need to get my Obama. Why are we talking about trans people's bathrooms? Actually, I think everybody would have been happy for Trump to not say shit. Yeah. But everybody was fine. Nobody was saying anything. He had to go there. The immigration stuff.

We didn't have a terrorist attack. We didn't have a 9-11 situation. He's sighted 9-11 in the right. But it mostly feels good to be like, this is the bad guy. These are the bad guys. Thanks for putting in. I mean, yeah, lots of things feel good, but we're not babies. But I mean, maybe some, I just worry all the time. I worry. Do you feel more, more, more worried now? Yeah. Yeah. We just, no, I feel terrible all this time. I mean, I wake up every day and I complete like depression. I try to avoid some of it, but you can't. There's just no way. It's everywhere. Yeah. I mean, we wrote a story today about, we talked to trans advocacy groups and some, you know, who've been talking to families with, you know,

trans kids. And it's like his thing, it's like, doesn't even have an immediate impact. Like it actually is like, it now has to go to some bureaucratic place in states. But then also there's like stuff that's going to the Supreme Court about this very, about discrimination against like trans people.

And so it's like, it will be negated at some point with the decision that the Supreme Court makes about like what is considered discrimination in trans people. And so it will be negated at some point with the decision that the Supreme Court makes about what is considered discrimination in this country. And but what's happened immediately is all of these kids and all of these families and all these people are like feel awful and feel scared and feel worried. It's the same thing with what he's doing with immigration.

It's like, I think it's just for show. He's just going to show how tough he is. Well, or that I'm going to do things that I said I would do. Right, or they said, but what he said he was going to do to promote the people who voted for him, most of them was like, get some jobs back. Right. And Obamacare. Yeah, Obamacare. But now everybody's like, wait a second.

It's hard. You know, it's really easy telling a trans 7-derault, aed, a trans like 14 year old, where they can pee and not pee. That's a lot easier than saying, I'm gonna bring manufacturing back to an entire nation. It seems like I could not think of a less important topic than like what bathroom people use. Like the only thing less important to me would be who people have sex with.

It's like I don't care, like that doesn't matter. Like why are we even talking talking about it? Anyhow, no, it's terrible. I mean, but at some point, something's got to get, right? I mean, midterms are in a couple of years. I mean, you like that? If I silver line midterms are in a few years. I mean, he's been pretty bad for him so far though.

It's been so bad. Nobody, it's also been bad for him. His approval rating is like, but he doesn't care. He doesn't care. So you're here to think he doesn't care, but people like Paul Ryan and Ted Cruz and all these fuckers have, they have to care because they have to be voted into office by people on a fairly regular basis.

And they have like, if they look like they're blowing it, then it's guilt by association for them. And so there is a kind of part, there's like some, you feel like there's some piece where at some point there's a revolt in his own party is his own party. I mean, no one buys Trump as a viable Republican. They're just like anything to get us into the White House. It has not started a little bit with CPAC and Milo and like Richard Spencer being kicked out. Well, I don't know if I'm party saying I feel like, I mean, yes. Yeah, we need to wrap up. Sorry, we're like down a rabbit hole here. Yeah, I mean, yes, and yeah, we need to wrap up. Sorry, we're like down a rabbit hole here.

Yeah, I mean, but saying like the Nazi and the gay Nazi and like who else can't speak or whatever, like can't speak a CPAC is hardly a backlash. They're like, yeah, we think the pedophile stuff went a little too far, a little too far, like the racism and the anti-trans stuff and the just like, like, complete nastiness about women. Fine, no problem. Yeah, that's okay.

But the ped- But honestly, I think they were on the fence about the pedophilia too. I think they were like, well, maybe he said 13. Maybe he really meant 15. I got to think of my tax cut first. Yeah. And saying anyhow, I'm happy I, maybe he really meant 15. I got to think my tax cut first. Yeah. And saying anyhow, I'm happy I brought up he would you pay.

So anyhow, Alexa, we got to get her into a more talking about things that now could be less important. What have you, what's the last thing you wrote? Actually, I'm writing about something interesting this week. I feel like you'll be interested in this. You can help me brainstorm. Well, this won't go up until Tuesday, right? Oh, good.

It comes out on Tuesday. Tuesday morning. It's about this company that's trying to create like smartphone free parties and spaces. And so all these comedians use it because they don't want you to record like Chris Rock uses it. It should mean it's like a lead. It's like a lead. No, no.

So, okay, picture this. You go to an event. They give you a bag to put your phone in. And it has a lock on the other side. And you lock it on this machine, and then you go into the event and you cannot physically get to your phone. What if there's an emergency? You have to step outside and you need to open the bag.

I wouldn't get to one of those. You want to go to one of those. As a parent, no way. Yeah. That's no. That's a parent, no way. Yeah. That's no. That's a very popular Twitter user. No, no, I mean, if I were in a place where I couldn't immediately get to my phone

when somebody was calling, I mean, I'm not the kind of person who sits in a place and looks at my phone though, because I have manners. I don't. Right, well, you're a horrible animal. I am. You're an animal.

I am. That sounds like, in some way it sounds like a great idea because people don't have self control, but then I just think about the implications for like, I get the parent, I think the parent thing is huge. Yeah, or like my parents, you know, they're a little bit older, like, you know,

one of them broke their hip or something and it's like, they're calling me. And I would be very upset if I found out later, I was at like some stupid fucking, Diction Health, and then, and then it turns out like my kids dead, you know, that'd be very upsetting. I can't believe I just said that horrible horrible, but that that is that is the fear, but that's the fear, you know So they're using these at a couple different places. I'm really I've really just shot the business the pieces I'm going to a party on Friday night. I've never gone to I haven't gone to a party on Friday night in like 10 years

Never been to a party. I've never I've never been I've never been to a party on Friday night. I've never been, I've never been to a party. I'm not gonna do. Well, they're not that fun. And so I'm not gonna be able to use my phone there. And how long do you have to be there? I'm probably gonna last like 20 minutes, but like, you know, I'm gonna probably, I'm gonna say, so there's a person who has your phone.

No, you hold your phone in the bag. So you have it in this bag. Like it's like, you can you see it? No. You can't see it's on the screen. You can't see it's on screen. Well, I'm just putting a box in there. Well, because like people don Like it's like, you can you see it? No. You can't see what's on the screen. You can't see what's on the screen. Well, I'm just putting a box in there. Well, because people don't want to, like, you know, they're worried about the privacy

of your security of their phone. Okay. So you get to keep your phone on you, but you can't see what's on the phone. And it blocks signals. It doesn't block signals. Oh, so it's just in a bag. Yeah. It's like it does a silence it.

And then you need to silence it before you put it back. Oh, so you can read all about this in the article. I'm going to say. It sounds like a great article. I just don't understand this concept. Like, I mean, I understand the idea that you want to silence it before you put it back. So you can read all about this and the article. I'm just like, I sound like a great article. I just don't understand this concept. I mean, I understand the idea that you want to have people not intruding at this thing. Right.

But, um, no, I mean, and, I mean, well, you read all about it today and Joanna's column, which we don't know the name of it. Right. Well, the name of the company is called Yonder. Yonder. Y-O-N-D-R.

Oh, there's a Missini. Of course. The Miss The Missy Ne is for Not being able to get to yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Any time to type it. Yeah. Yeah. Joanna It's been a wonderful pleasure. I've been here. I would like to come back and redo this at the point. I think it's good. I like a redo. We're all in the place. We do. I'd be happy to do a reader. You can come back whenever you want.

I will come back soon to coach more of your people. Please don't do that. Okay. We need these people. Wall Street Journal has plenty of money. They can go get people elsewhere. We can leave my people alone. I love your people.

Let my people go. All right. Okay. Joanna writes several columns, several pieces for the Wall Street Journal. You can find her latest column about Yonder on the WSJ.com slash personal technology. I don't know if that's an actual URL or not. It probably is. Probably is.

They have a lot of URLs over there. And Joanna will be performing at the Lafshack Thursday night. Don't bring your phone. Don't bring your phone. Don't bring your phone. Joanna, thank you so much for doing this. I really appreciate it. Thank you for having me in this very hot room. Well, it's our show for this week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow, of course.

And as always, I wish you and your family the very best. Though, I've just learned that your family have all become subscribers to PewDiePie's YouTube channel, which means you have to leave your family now.