Tomorrow - Episode 87: Jeff Ihaza Knows the Truth

Episode Date: March 24, 2017

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I'm, of course, talking about the outline staff writer. Jeff Ehaza. Jeff, thank you for being here. Hello. That's how we do it. Oh, I was bad. Was that in? Yeah, that's right. We started that's like when you're at the doctor and they're like They're about to give you a shot and they're like all right now I'm gonna count to three Oh, and then boom they do it and you're like wait, I didn't even here. I am. Yeah, I feel like I've sunk it into a new Do you feel comfortable? Yeah, you know I've been in this room before Jeff sitting in a very relaxed position. Uh, you know, a bit in this room before. Jeff's sitting in a very relaxed position.

You know, just chill it and sweat pants. And yeah, Jeff told me today that he's never been on a podcast before. I've never been on a podcast. Well, it seems incredible because there are literally hundreds of thousands of podcasts happening all every day. And I'm like, you don't ask people like,

hey, can I come in on a podcast? Right. At the same time. You're like, you can look though. When they talk about, they're like, oh, I got to record my, I got to record a new episode and you can look though. When they talk about, they're like, oh, I got to record my, I got to record a new episode and you can look like, oh, you really, oh, you know this time.

Do you have a guest? Have you booked somebody? And anyhow, Jeff is a writer. He writes at the outline. He's also a thinker. He's a creative man. He's also a fashionable man. He's a man who's invested in and interested

in the world of fashion, which I find horrible. Well, I find, I think most fashion is like, I think I really do think that Bruno probably is the most realistic depiction of what's really going on in the minds of the people in fashion. That's a, come on. The Sasha Beard coat. I think I'm trying to remember the movie and I just like, I remember seeing it in the theater. And that's it. I don't remember anything. It's not a great movie, and I just like, I remember seeing it with the theater, and that's it. I don't remember anything.

It's not a great movie, but I think it, you know, there's a part of the movie where he's interviewing, he has this, you know, his character, and he's interviewing people, and he's saying like, about talking to them about their influences,

and just making crazy shit up, and they're agreeing with him about everything that he says. Oh. And I feel like that's kind of, how old was I when Bruno came out? I mean, I'm not a mathematician. Well, it's like 14. Nor do I have your records in front of me.

Oh, yes. Anyhow, so Jeff writes about a bunch of different things for us, but he writes about pop culture, he writes about fashion, and then when he gets really mad, he writes about politics. Those guys. And what's the last thing that you did? Let me jog my memory.

So as of right now. The last thing I know you're something coming to mind. It was about Donald Trump and student loans. That's right. Yeah, you actually, one of your first things you did for us was about the student housing and the situation and how like they're turning their base like student houses are be can't or condos are or Student housing is becoming like luxury condo style living and it's very bad very bad. We can't afford luxury condos Well, while I was in college I couldn't afford to live anywhere

It was like of the constant of my entire college career was like not being able to afford rent. And when I tried to get like on campus housing and try to go through the school, everything was just like ridiculous and like very strange. And I thought, I got into college. Why is this working? Like it was like, you know, like 19 like complications or whatever, that make that much sense, but it's just like something about it just felt like inherently so wrong. And I mean, kind of obsessed with like the companies

that own dorms ever since. Well, the, the, I mean, the privatized, I mean, everything, well, I mean, so many things in America are a huge scam. Very big. But many of our, but many of the, the university system, the college system, and the way that the difficulty that most Americans have actually participating in that system is pretty crazy. What they have to deal with after it, the student loan, to your latest piece, the student

loan issue is insane. It's only going gonna get worse. And we're like, I mean, we're basically, like I think we may be the only really industrialized, modern country that has this, it's real like, yeah, like where you can go to school, but you're gonna fuck me, paint out of your ass for the rest of your life. Like you will die with this death.

Yeah, like, no, I mean, I was in insane feet, like Laura had all these crazy student loans, and for the whole time, we eventually made a little bit of money and paid them off, but like, it was, took years and years and years. And I was like, this is fucked up. Like, I don't even understand how you could have incurred so much debt.

I have a question. Yeah. What happens if you just like, absolutely do not pay, which I won't say is what I've been doing This is Jeff This is a subtle way of telling me what's a pay bump Wait a second, so you're not paying well no, I've paid and then I stopped paying for a while It's like they do they send you a thing they sent you a couple letters, but like look I'm you know

I've been through it. I know what it's like to get bill collector letters. I mean, don't they, don't they eventually, what happens? I think here's what happens. They, you don't pay, I mean, what does happen? You don't pay, you get a lot of letters. And then, they don't arrest you.

There's no way they can arrest you. Can they arrest you? John, I feel like, I'm looking at John like he should know. I just say, Ryan is not here today. I'm very disappointed. But I also love John. No, it's okay, I get it. John Laga Marzino.

I say that right? Yeah. Laga Marzino. Laga Marzino is a lot of people say, which is incorrect. Like a Marzino. No. Exactly like that. Is this border radar racism?

Is this racism? It is straight up racism, is it? I'm leaving. The Italians, the Italians are gonna be upset. The Italians hate me, it's actually an un-fact. Wow. Well, non-fact, I'm hated by all Italians. But John, you don't know anything about this to you,

I'm looking at you, but you don't have the answer. I don't know what happens if you don't pay them, no. Well, I guess we're gonna find out. Yeah, all I know. I have a friend. Maybe you should report on this for us, you should just like your experience. To Stephen Lohan D. Falter, a personal story.

But I actually had a friend who tried to create, like, at my previous job, tried to create a sort of, like, movement that a youth movement of everyone just, like, on one day choosing to stop paying their student loans. Sort of, like, Trump's movement. The movement. The movement.

But the idea behind it was actually really interesting because it's, like, what happens if, like, every person who has student loans for a month doesn't pay them This is this is like what would happen if everybody who gets doesn't pay taxes You know if everybody stopped paying taxes. Yeah, the problem is getting people to do it right you have to like Everyone's easy though because getting somebody not pay or see loans are just like oh, yeah So it's what happened? They didn't go through.

I mean, everything of that. I don't know if I'm allowed to say names, a fashion name, names. Do whatever you want. I used to work a vice. It was at Vice Land. And we wanted to do like, they wanted like, you know those old like 90s MTV used to get behind like issues.

So they wouldn't do this thing around student loans in the student loan crisis. Like rock the loan. Rock the loan. I mean, I don't know the actual name, but in the student loan crisis. I rocked the loan. Rock the loan. I mean, I don't know the actual name, but that's a good name. Loan the vote. That's like, that would have convinced all of Breitbart's readers that indeed we are stealing votes.

I love Breitbart. Breitbart's a great publication. Bed number one. Bed number one. Top number one publication. I've been on there more lately than I think I would ever come up with. You've been on, oh you mean reading it? Yeah, just because like, no.

No, like they're targeting you. No, God. Soon, soon. Oh yeah. I was like, I was kind of like, oh you mean they're like shit talking things that you write. Then again, I have so many of those words muted from my Twitter mentions for all I know I could be like.

Do you mean it a lot of words? I mean, it's fun. Like I think the most fun thing is coming up with the words to mute, like that to me was the best experience off Twitter. We had to create a, when I was at AOL, when I was at N Gadget. I used to be at AOL. What'd you do?

Where are you looking? My first job in New York was an intern at AOL.com. Oh, really? The dot com, that's the big one. The dot com. We had a new commenting system. We had to create the black list of words and it was fucking crazy Oh my god, because it's like every you need to give we had to give the list to somebody like a dev or somebody to like

Implement it and they were like can you give us a list of words you don't want on here? And it was like just think of literally the worst possible thing and then we would collect them over time So you'd see like oh here's some new words to add. And you'd like to cook. Yeah. Well, it was like that. Oh, be cock is tame by comparison to what we were seeing. I mean, think of all the permutations

because it would do like a word, but you couldn't do like. Oh, you can do like combos. Yeah, like, so you can imagine like, there's a word, and then there's a word that goes after it, a compound, there's compound words, but you should be each one individually. There should be an engineering solution of that. Well, there is now.

I mean, this was years ago when people didn't know shit about anything, nobody knew how to use the internet. So it was a very different time, but now there's a, there are, you know, that Google just is like, magically knows the words. But didn't we run a story about Google where if you start, I guess they stopped doing this, but if you typed in our girls,

the first thing would be like crazy or something? I think they changed it. I somebody else had done a story about that. Yeah, I think that was one that was sort of known, but then there were like a million of these snippets that were around. Yeah, like stuff like our Jewish people, it was like some crazy thing about Jewish people.

It's true. Which I learned working here that Jewish people don't run the media. Well, I mean, technically speaking, I'm Jewish, but. Because I run the media at the alley. Growing up, it's like, because I grew up in Texas, so I didn't really know any Jewish people.

I didn't know anything about like stereotypes about Jewish people or anything. Yeah. So I- You'd never been around a Jewish, when you were a kid. No Jewish people. There were no Jews, you, people are angry. Yeah. So, I remember you'd never been around a, you were a kid. No, Jewish person. No, Jews, you knew, no Jews.

There was one Jewish person. He was an Ethiopian Jewish person. So it's kind of like the type of thing where all the kids are like, there's so much other stuff going on. Yeah, it's like, oh, we have a Black Jew. It's crazy. And it's like, all right, guys,

that's for Texas. What a trip. I know. A Black Jew in Texas. In Texas. He went to race. He was a smart guy. Yeah. Good kid. Um, but A black Jew in Texas. In Texas. He wants to race. He was a smart guy.

Yeah. Good kid. But then get him on the podcast. What's it like being a black Jew in Texas? Texas. That's a fucking, I would be interested. Anyhow, but so you were just going to Texas. You'd never seen a Jew in your entire life.

So then I moved to Pittsburgh where I got went to college. Yeah. And, you know, there's some Jews there. All of a whole new world. I think the Pittsburgh has a very large Jewish population, actually. That's why I remember. I remember. I have my way.

Yeah. We talk, we talk about moving the business to Pittsburgh all the time, Jeff and I. It would be nice. One of the reasons I wanted to have Jeff on the podcast is because Jeff, I learned some things about him. We sit next to each other here at the office and that's right, receipt mates. I learned, not the longer, that Jeff is a big conspiracy theorist.

Oh, boy. So you were, when you were a kid, of course, this makes sense knowing that you grew up in Texas. Well, yes. You were an info wars fan. Huge fan. He had a radio show. Yeah.

And I would like, because all the crazy people come from the radio is where it all happens. Yeah, it's really odd to think about now because, I mean, how old was I like 10 from ages 10 to like 12? How did you even get access to info worse when you were 10? So listen to it on the radio. No, we had a, I mean, family computer. And like, I was really the only one in my house that was computer literate in that way. So like, everyone else was like, oh, how do I check an email and blah, blah, blah. And I was the only one who was like,

oh, I'm fucking around, let's go. Yeah, you're like info-war.com. info-war.com. If you take your time, it all that. Yeah, I think it was like one summer, I got super into info wars and the 9-11 truth stuff. And it was interesting because it's summer, so my parents would go to work in the daytime

and then I was the only one at home, and then I would just like listen to Alex Jones. It's like actually got a wild thing about now. It's crazy. But I would like put on a show, and then I would go, but his truth orism was like a little, had a different kind of slant to it.

He was much different back then. He was definitely more sci-fi, right? He's more like global conspiracy. Yeah, it was very much about the, what's that group, the builder bird group? Yeah, it was very much about the, what's that group? The Bilderberg group or something? Bilderberg. Bilderberg.

Bilderberg. Bilderberg. Bilderberg. Bilderberg. Bilderberg. That sounds weird. That and the Bohemian Grove. Bohemian Grove is all in school.

Bohemian Grove is very, I think that's what got me in. Bohemian Grove is all in school conspiracy theory. That's like tied into all of like the I mean have you ever read any of the cosmic trigger books? No, I don't know who those but Robert Anton Wilson. I that name came up a lot. Yeah, Robert into okay. See that's the thing. Alex Jones his lineage is these old school conspiracy. So the old school conspiracy guys are like basically kind of run off from the 60s.

They're like drug runoff from like they're not. I mean, some of them are really fucking smart and interesting. But like Robert Anton Wilson, who wrote, what is his famous book? I'm blanking on it right now. The biggest secret? The aluminum. Well, the biggest secret is written by David Eike or Iki, depending on who you talk to. We'll talk about the biggest secret to say because I'm into conspiracy theories.

You're one of my favorite. They're one of my favorite things. They're all true. But Robert Hinton Wilson wrote this trilogy of books, Cosmic Trigger. It's actually called the Illuminati. The Illuminati's trilogy. Is that where the Illuminati like Ikea came from? So yeah, I mean, actually he invented,

okay, I think that he wrote this other book. Yeah, the Illuminati's trilogy. Is that the first book is Cosmic Trigger? Or is that a different series? I can't, I can't always get these confused. No, it's, it's the eye in the pyramid, the golden apple and Leviathan. So, so I think what happened is a Robert, who's the other author of it? The, Bill of Iathen. Robert Chey and Robert Anton Wilson. Yeah. So, these guys wrote this book and I think that it sort of was like fiction, merge with some kind of like fact and then a lot of things happened that sort of mirrored what they were writing about and then he went on to write these books,

cause of the cosmic trigger trilogy, which is like about the real conspiracy that's happening. What is it? I mean, it's the Illuminati. It's the Illuminati and there's a whole thing about the number 23 and no. Yeah, okay, I'm sure you heard this on Alex Jones, I'm sure. But the number 23, so when that movie came out, Alex Jones had like a whole thing about it.

He did like, Is that Johnny Depp movie? Jim Carrey, it was like Jim Carrey's like first serious real wild. It was actually like, like, Rutte Tomatoes didn't like it. I liked it. I had, I liked download it a copy of it.

I've got to believe it, it's bad. It's pretty good. I don't believe it's good. I can't trust you on this. I feel like, I feel like that movie's not good. It's like, I kind of want to watch it. It's like, what are those movies where you're like, by the end, you're not mad you watched it.

And I think that is a hallmark of a good film. I would say that's a very low bar. Like, not being mad. I guess, okay, no. Some movies you leave, you're like, what the fuck did I just do? No, it's like when you watch the second season of love and you're like, why did I watch all of this show? You know my new thing with Netflix shows now?

I watched a first episode, and if I know it's garbage. But the only thing is they get you with what's gonna happen, so I just skipped the last one. Wow. That's all you need. Wow. I watched episode one and episode 12 or whatever. Yeah, it was 12 episodes. Yeah. Fuck all that middle. I don't need that.

The middle was very not good. No. Did you get what happened at the end? Yeah, because it's like, no, actually, I watched the second to last one because it was called the long D and I was like, okay, there's probably something like funny. Yeah, it wasn't funny. I'm like, I think it's a serious episode. It was a very serious episode.

To show is like, I mean, listen, I mean, I'm glad people are trying to do some things, but I'm not so glad. Well, whatever. Netflix has a lot of new stuff. You wrote about this, I don't want to get off topic because I want to get back into the experience. Because you wrote about the idea that Netflix is kind of like has kind of become and I think people are catching on to it too because like

Netflix came out and everyone is very like everyone who is interested in technology is very interested in new things So it's like oh, I could watch TV on the internet. Well, this is the future and it's like hold on a second Like the commercial forces that make TV garbage exist on Netflix. So yeah, well, they've just migrated. And they just like, switched it around a little. So now it's like, they just need you inside of Netflix's platform. So they'll put whatever they want. That's right.

That's like a volume problem, right? Like, it used to be that Netflix would only do a handful of series a year. And now they're like doubling them every year. And of course, there's going to be crap. Well, it's more than that. I think that argument is, because then it's like, I've gotten you down, John. But once the difference is three Netflix and TV

at this point then. Well, in terms of content. Well, the difference with Netflix is like, people probably don't unsubscribe from Netflix when they see a show they don't like. For TV, it's like, if you change the channel on like ABC, they lose money. They're like, fuck, they're like,

you're not watching our commercials. So the incentive is really different, right? It's a very similar incentive though. Well, I think that, and this is partially in your piece, but like, one of the good things, and I don't think it's totally good, but I do think that the TV system does produce this interesting thing where,

well, every, they cancel a lot of shit, they run a lot of stuff, but they cancel a lot of stuff, but there is like, sometimes it's like, if something is bad and then you see it, you don't and you don't put out 12 episodes of it. That's a good thing. It's maybe a good thing. Whereas like, if you make all of Sense 8,

season two or whatever, I haven't seen this thing. I've heard Sense 8. Do you see Sense 8 is crazy bad. Is it bad? It's so bad. It's so bad. It's so bad. It's so bad. It's so bad. It's a wakowski.

It's the only thing on Netflix that's so bad. It's good. Really? Everything else is just like bad. Is that like bad. It's so wakowski. It's the only thing on Netflix that's so bad, it's good. Everything else is just like bad. Is that like, and like bad? Sense eight is not good. Sense eight. No, it's like all of Netflix shows. It's like, you know, the first, the idea is interesting. The first episode is interesting for 15 minutes.

And then you're kind of like, wow, this dialogue is horrible. Oh, this show is not interesting at all. I really was not a fan of, what is the Marvel show? They put on the new and Iron Fist. No, no, like dark in a way that like made me just feel like real bad. It's definitely dark. Especially as a man, I was just like, I should just jump into a river and stuff. Well like the villain, I like the villain in the show,

but I don't know, maybe I should finish it. I should finish the first. Now I'm thinking about thinking about, I'm like, yeah, there was stuff that I liked. I just like all the superhero shows. We just ran this thing about Legion. I just like all this stuff is like not really very good. Maybe Jessica Jones is worth finishing.

Jessica Jones, I thought was one of the only, because I tried to watch, was it the flash that they did? No, the flash is like a double. That's a ratio. I guess that's on now. They did Daredevil. Daredevil, I tried to watch Daredevil,

I just could not get into that show at all. I'm like, if there's, then Aflux is not Daredevil, I'm not right. It was just, Who else a half-life, it's not Daredevil, I'm not right. It was this. Who else is, yeah. No one else is Daredevil. There's no other Daredevil in my mind.

Yeah, exactly. But Jessica Jones was actually really good. I think the reason that one does better is because it's a bit more story driven, so it doesn't have to do as much action scenes and shit. There are action sequences in my mind. But it's not, I don't know. In the dialogues better. Anyhow, so back to conspiracy theory.

So one of the things that that was interesting is I learned to say next to is that you're a big conspiracy theory fan. And so whenever we talk about, whenever there's a situation going on in the world, which is now all the time, all constantly, like every fucking day, you usually come at it with a slightly more and all in composing attitude.

I think that's where the world is right now. Do you? Well, the Rolling Stone just ran a cover story about Trump by Matt Taiyb. Do you call it the Rolling Stone? The Rolling Stone. Rolling Stone magazine. Rolling Stone magazine ran their cover story, Astray about Trump. I forget what it's called, like the Trump destroyer or something. Yeah. Decent piece, it's fine. The interesting thing about it and the thing

I like about this writer Matt Taibi is like, Taibi is great. He's a good guy. And I think he really, he got to something that I think is very true about this administration, which is that nothing that we have like thought about or the way that we have thought about things for the past like 50 years in America does not apply to Donald Trump in any way. That's right. And I think like, you know, maybe us low-key conspiracy theorists need to like rise up and be like, wait, our way of thinking is like the mode of the country. But is Donald Trump a conspiracy or? Well, Steve Maninan is a complete conspiracy. Like he wants to do. He's a conspiracy theorist. Yeah. He's not like, but he's not part

of a conspiracy. I mean, he wants to create a conspiracy. But he may be part of a conspiracy right now that is like has to do with Russia. Well, but like, he's not part of the Illuminati. Well, this is a different, this is a whole new conspiracy. I mean, it's a great time to be alive. It's a great time to be alive. No, it's a great time to be alive. It's a great time to be a conspiracy theorist. No, but see, I think, okay, so now there's a deeper conspiracy

that actually is like overtaking the other conspiracy. Well, I think the Illuminati had to shit all together than why is this happening? I think I've never fallen. Illuminati has never been my game. I'll say that. Okay, who's running things and how they let Trump get in charge?

I don't believe in conspiracies in the way of like, there's like a centralized order as much as I believe in things being connected. So it's like, sounds like this is film, the number 23. Oh, that's great. Great film, sorry. Sorry, the wonderful actor Jim Carey.

Very good. Jim Carey never gets enough credit. I agree, Tr the wonderful actor Jim Carrey. Very good. Jim Carrey never gets enough credit. I agree, Trim and Chef, fantastic film. Really good film. Yeah. But I think like the conspiracy thinking of like, oh, like George Bush, mastermind at 9-11 to get oil, like that stuff never really works. Well, what's your 10-year-old me?

10-year-old me. In Texas. Listen Alex, you definitely- Look, the steel beams thing was convincing. But like based on what? Convincing because of who? Because of YouTube videos where they have some guy going like, hey man, it doesn't work.

That's the fucking thing about YouTube. If you put a video up there and you're like, and you're like, look, the hydraulic pressure of the- And you're like, and people are like, all right, this guy's something again. He seems like he knows how to talk about it. Here's a chart of the heat of blah, blah, blah. Yeah, like fuck.

It was literally like steel cannot melt. And they're like, well damn, it must be true. Oh, if you say anything with enough like kind of confidence and a charter to, you're explaining, by the way, half of the success of internet websites, you're like a chart, some confidence, you're a fuck, you're a new media. So you have some like bold text.

New media powerhouse. Yeah. That's how the allies get you by. You know, a chart and a dream. Oh, we had was a chart and a dream. A chart, some confidence and a dream. Anyhow, so. But I think it's better these now are a bit more like,

but like I think about this Russia stuff. And it's like, it makes sense. It makes total sense. It makes out. It all checks out. I don't know that Russia wanted Trump to become president as much as maybe he just wanted to embarrass Hillary Clinton.

Maybe he just wanted fucking around. But I think conspiracies now are interesting because the type of thinking they require, which is like being kind of willing to like go and just like test to hypothesis that's outside of the like mainstream or like wine of thinking. And then see where, see where digging around there gets you. I think that's what's always been interesting about it. It's like, it's less about like wanting to see some global, you know, powerhouse group

controlling everything as much as it's like. It is so boring to read the times, read, while watching post, and it's just like, that's why people like Glenn Greenwell make me so mad because it's like, all he does is shit on the idea of things being possible because he's so smart, and it's like,

I don't know, man, why not think about it? But here's the thing. Well, but he's also a kind of a conspiracy theory. Yeah, exactly, of all people. I mean. But here's the thing. Well, but he's also kind of a conspiracy theory. Exactly, of all people. I mean, but here's the thing, like, so, so first off, like, I think the idea that a conspiracy can exist is a 100% true.

Like a vast, no, no. I think a vast conspiracy is actually very, very difficult, almost impossible to blow off. I mean, if you were met a person, they're really fucking stupid. I mean, they're not, people are not, I mean, you know, you run into people all the time and you're like, you are not smart. How are we just going to happen? Like, you know, you're like, it's just like things don't work in regular life. Like, I need a cup of coffee and like, it can't happen because some of these two stupid,

some of you like, just can't make it. You're talking about personal life. I'm not talking about anybody, person, whatsoever. I'm just saying in life, you know, it's like you go to a diner, you order a coffee, something gets fucked up. My point is, so like the global conspiracy of the thing is ridiculous,

but like the Russian conspiracy is like basically makes sense where it's like, okay, Russia has a reason, has good motivation. This is like real tactical conspiracy. It's like in a short amount of time, it's like tactically smart for Russia to have some influence in what America is doing, you know, like with the sanctions

and the preventing them from going into areas, to, you know, in terms of like land or resources they may want to take from surrounding areas, right? It's very important for America to, if not be allied with them, which we're certainly not, but like- Just incapacitated otherwise. Or just to be different to,

is that the right word, different? I think so. To defer to them? We need to pass on that. Deference? Yeah. To provide, other points. Or it was the thing Trump said really good.

It would be great if we were friends. It's crazy to me. Like, I've never, I mean to me, it's like, it's one of these things. When Bush, when Bush, W was running. And the debate's in like 2000 with Al Gore, who I get it was very boring, but like, you know, was also very smart.

Al Gore is a smart dude. And like, you'd see these debates and Bush would be saying this shit and I'm like, how, nobody's gonna vote for this guy. It's insane. Like, I listened to him talk and I'm like, nobody could possibly hear this guy and be like, we should fucking have him be president.

I thought the same thing with Trump. I was like, oh, well, like, no one's gonna vote. The guy when you're like, okay, point blank, Donald, do you condemn Russia's actions in the Ukraine or whatever? And he's like, I don't know, like Putin is okay, like who knows what's going on in the Ukraine? He's like, I'm like, come on, this is so fucking transparent.

And yet like in this country, people were like, nah, that's not the big of a deal. It's like everything he does. I mean, talk about Teflon, it's not about Teflon Don, I mean, okay, but sorry, getting back to the point. So I do think like, conspiracies can exist. Like Watergate was a real thing that happened, right?

I just feel like when I hear people start talking about the deep state and like the global conspiracy and the shadow government, I just think, listen, you watch, you've read too many books because like, people aren't this good. They always get found out. They always blow it. Somebody always fucks up and like it's not like I've Have you seen the ex files? I've seen some ex files. Okay, like you know, there's no smoking man There's no swav fucking operator who just walks through life

fucking operator who just walks through life, killing JFK and fixing the World Series and fucking Cuba. Fixing the world. I mean, I think sports are all fixed. I think. That's definitely true. Super Bowl definitely affects. There's no question.

Patriots were put in. But I think when it comes to like, when we think about like systems of money that we have in society, it's like, there's a lot to protect wealth. Like if you have, if you're worth $20 billion or something, that's not gonna, you can't be taken down.

So like every rich person has a conspiracy that they like essentially operate internally. Well, I mean, it makes it very hard to, money makes all things possible. Exactly. Money can make almost anything go away. So who has all the money? I mean, you don't wanna hear about billionaires

in jail for murder a lot. You never hear about it. But are billionaires, do they need to do murders? They probably have something murderful. How much money do you think it takes in America to get away with murder? It depends on who you're murdering. I think it's variable.

Like if you're murdering another billionaire. Billionaire. And you're probably gonna be. You'd be like, you'd be like, at least $100 billion. Like, if you murder like a street, like a street urchin or something, you're regular to get a regular or whatever.

Yeah. I mean, you know, 10, 15 bucks or whatever. But I think with that idea is where I think a lot of the deep state thought comes from where it's like there are people who's entire, you know, live, not even just lively heads but who's entirely like fortunes or whatever or tied up and whether or not Trump fucks up or doesn't. And I think there is something to be said for like maybe all the billionaires got together and said, Hey, this guy can't like just blow our cash. Like we got $100 billion. We have the GDP.

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Where he was telling us how he liked to bake to relieve the stress that he was feeling about. I mean, I should say this. I don't think people realize that people out there in the world how stressful trumpet, I don't know who I'm talking to. He's a stressful guy. He is the daily stress that we're all experiencing. I know who I'm talking to. He's a stressful guy. He is the daily stress that we're all experiencing.

I mean, I'm psyched that he's golfing, actually. This is how bad it is. I don't need the vacation. I don't want the president to work. The less he works, the better we all are. And I think he knows it. And I think they all know it. I don't you feel like they're putting kind of,

they're like, go, go, go. Yeah, just go, go away from, I mean, I can't even imagine being the person that's like, take him away from Twitter and shit, like, can you get a walk in? He's in his robe. His micro penis, just kind of, like, barely visible in the darkened room by himself. He moves in the white house by himself.

He's wearing leather slippers and with socks though. What are you? You know, and his and can you imagine how bad Donald Trump's fucking toenails are? Just think about that for a second. He's 70 years old. He's relatively corpulent. Great word. Yeah, thank you.

You know his toenails are in bad shape. That's all I'm saying. Probably gross. You saw his doctor. Guys got like a ponytail or something. Is that his real doctor? I don't know. That guy's like a doctor feel good. He is such a doctor feel good.

Yeah. He's familiar with the song doctor feel good. No, but I'm thinking about doctors. He like by Motley crew. Give people heroin because they're addict. I might with Motley crew. I am familiar with. You know, though, I was learning SAT words in high school. Okay. And the word Motley was a word. And the teacher was like, oh, like Motley crew. And I was like, what's that? Now your teacher was real square. It's real square.

And I Google it. I was like, it's pretty cool. I was going through like a public hard rock phase. Well, Motley crew, it's crazy. Because we're obviously with an age difference here. No, I'm the same. You're 48. Do you know what I am?

Are you not 48? No 48 so that is what I'm wondering. Jesus. No, I'm very young. I'm very nice. I'm in my 30s. The point is Molly crew is not good. They did have a song called Dr. Feel Good about a guy who gets you drugs. Oh sick. So whenever I meet a doctor who will give me a Zanax prescription with basically no effort, I'm like, oh, he's a doctor. Feel good. Those are my favorite kinds of doctors. You know, it's very easy to get an Adderall prescription.

You know, I think you have to go to like a therapist though. Yeah. I mean, well, now, I don't know if you need to like expose the, the service. No, expose us. Get it out there. This is podcast. But now you can go, if you go to a therapist and just say, you tell them that you can't focus

and it's making you depressed and then. The therapist. Yeah. And they give you Adderall. Gives you all that Adderall you need. I feel like I'm high energy. I feel like if I had Adderall, it would be, people would be really stressed out about they're having to work with me.

I don't know, because I feel like Adderall would make you focus on singularism. Do I see my focus to you? Well, you know, I think it's good I don't like to take Adderall outside of recreational use because for me I like the fact that my mind bounces around otherwise like I would just focus on those the same thing like Right, right But yeah, you know, you probably wouldn't you wouldn't be too high energy. You just be like, because you're changing headlines so much. No, it's good that I change headlines. I'm active. I'm in the mix.

I'm in the CMS. Just tweaking stuff. I'm in the CMS. I'm in your CMS all the time. It's really great to be back to. So you were like dying to get us back on top. It drifted. Yeah, we, that's happens.

I mean, that's how some of the greatest ideas in the world happen. It's true. It's, I mean, Tokyo drift. That's what I call it. Great film. I haven't seen it. It's really.

I don't want any spoilers. I haven't actually seen any of the Fast and Furious movies. I would start with Tokyo. From beginning to end. I see the parts of all of them. I think take a week. I haven't done it either. Should we do it?

Let's do it. Well, I was gonna, I've talked about this before on the podcast, but I'll bring it up again. My sister in law, Katie and the top of us, before she recently had a kid, but before that, we were planning to watch all of this, all seven existing ones in one go while drinking and smoking weed and doing 10 minutes of a podcast between each one.

Dan. Just to kind of recap as we got amazing. You know, through an entire day of, I mean, we would be like 15 hours of, it's a completely ridiculous idea. It's a great idea. Well, it's never too late because I still haven't seen it.

When's the new movie come out? We should just do that and tie it around the new movie. The fate of the Furious. Yeah. That would be, we would break the internet. The fate of the Furious is like, I mean, sorry, the fast and the furious series is like the biggest thing that's ever happened

in filmmaking. It's like, I think it might be the most, it's gonna be like Star Wars in like 20 years. I think it might be the, I said, me told me, I think it might be the highest grossing franchise ever. I mean, it's just, it's diverse, you know? You get, you really get everybody.

It's right now he's looking it up. But anyhow, so, so you told us that you liked to de-stress by baking and we were all like, what are you talking about? And then it turns out you're really into baking. And so when you decided to do this series, stress baking, which I highly recommend you watch if you haven't seen it, stress baking. And can you, Jeff, can you talk about it a little bit?

So yeah, I bake. I don't know when I started baking. Yeah, I think I like to cook in general. It's the first thing you remember baking. Wow, that's a good question. What is the first thing I remember baking? It definitely was in college. It's like interesting little apartment for a while.

I like to cook. Somehow you get a Ford. Well, I mean, code is an interesting word. You just didn't pay. Well, much like your college debt. You're like, well, big sword themselves out. You're just interesting.

So what, you started begging in college. Did I beg it? I think it was just like a regular cake, but instead of using mix, it was from scratch. And I was like, oh, that's pretty tight that you could like put cocoa powder in a flour. And then it's like a chocolate cake. And then from there.

Did you have an interesting chemistry? I did actually. I remember in high school, I took AP chemistry, which is like apparently a very hard thing to do. Yeah. So yeah, I like chemistry. I like math and stuff too, where it's like figuring out what's going to happen if you like do crazy shit to something.

Exactly. That's math. It's a very technical description. That's exactly about this. But so I don't see that's interesting. I feel like I don't have the, I feel like I get, like I don't read instructions. So I'm not a big fan of like something where you have to follow instructions. And baking is all about very specific. It isn't it isn't. It's like lately with lately with my baking escapades, it's like once you understand like why ingredients are being mixed like for what purpose they serve, it's like, oh well, you know, let's put more salt because actually I want to die sooner. I'm right. Like, I don't think nobody says that. Or like, I'm

just like, I want to add salt because I want to die sooner. Well, now they will. Or it's like, you know, subbing out, you know, brown sugar for, I think it's, I don't know if you're not supposed to, like, dimmer, rarer sugar. So it's like a special kind of brown sugar. So there's ways to like play with it that are interesting and you get like different results that are fun. Also just following the instructions is nice

because, freeze your mind. For really does, I mean, really therapeutic, do just be like, here are all the ingredients, put them together. Well, that's sort of the point of the series. Yeah. And so you've been doing this thing, you bake. Now, what are the things you baked?

What was the first thing? First thing I baked, we didn't get on video. That's right, we didn't, we, that was like, we should do this on video after the first one. Yeah. And that was sort of the genesis of it. Still my favorite thing, actually. What was it?

It was a chocolate orange muffins. Did I have one of those? You did, and you were excited. Still my favorite thing actually. What was it? It was a chocolate orange muffin. Did I have one of those? You did and you were excited. Oh, it was good. I even had, I even had most of the stuff. You're, I mean, you're on like a health kick. You're doing the whole thing. I'm dying and I'm watching my weight.

We're gonna try to get, you know, make a fruit platter or something. I gotta get ready for, I gotta get my beach body ready. Beach buds, you know, it's almost summer. It's true. People are gonna wanna see what I got here. I'm very curious about how this summer is going to happen with this orange president of ours.

Maybe how it's going to happen. I just feel like it's like summer might not go down because summer is usually a time of like so much like joy and like, you know, the beach and your relax. Like how do you relax in this summer time is on the radio? Yeah. I just I don't know. I feel like it's gonna go down pretty much like every summer. Like all summer except every few days it's gonna be like Trump said what on Twitter?

He has choked out on Twitter though. Lately, I mean, you know what they say about when he gets hotter though. That's when like the Trump goes nuts. Well the murder rates go up like people start acting out. Oh yeah, yeah. No, the hate crimes are gonna be through the roof of the summer. This is gonna be like summer of Sam.

Dude, summer of Trump. I mean, yeah, that's not a good. That's actually pretty good. Yeah, that's like, yeah. Yeah. No, but okay, but I agree, you're right. Okay, you're right, it's hot, it's humid. It's working on your hotter, too.

Tensions, tensions are rising. Fucking people are defacing mosques and shit. I feel like for some reason in America, they've switched focus. They don't even care. I mean, I feel like now that Trump's like, let's get Muslims out of here people are like, what about the Jews?

Like all of a sudden, you know what I mean? They're like, no, Trump's like, I have a travel ban and all the white guys are like, all right, let's knock over some headstones. You know, look, I'm just saying that's, you know, that's how they're thinking. These fucking David Duke whites who prem, ah, the worst, the worst.

It's crazy that the reader is the president of the United States. People are always like, is it okay to punch a Nazi? And I'm like, you should do more. I don't know. I mean, honestly, Richard Spencer's not a Nazi. Sorry, I don't mean to make it on the outside mean, honestly, Richard Spencer's not a Nazi. Sorry, I don't mean to be gone outside. Wait, Richard Spencer's not a Nazi. He's got, he talks like a Nazi, but he has nothing behind him and no one around him.

He's like a little baby. I really don't know what his whole thing is. I do know that. Let's put this way. There's nobody there to hold back the guy who hit him. Nobody grabbed the guy who hit him. Let's put it this way. If you can get punched in the face and there's nobody around to protect you,

you don't really have people. That's true. Like I'm sorry. That's very true. But like a real leader has fucking people. You have a wall between you and the people who are gonna punch you in the face. No way you punch straight.

That's why it's like Martin Screly, Richard Spencer. Or you really got shit poured on his face, which is amazing. Yeah. The only thing that comes better is if you got in his mouth and got a disease from it. Just died. Well, I'm not gonna say, I don't want anybody to die,

but maybe just feel very bad. You just have to leave the country for a while. Leave the place. Leave the place. So Jeff did this first story. He was like, I want to bake something, and we'll do the recipe. And he was like, about how he distresses in Trump's America,

baking for him is very soothing. Soothing. Soothing is the thing. And then we decided this should be a video series, but it's essentially, how would you describe the videos? Well, I think the initial conversation around the video is like, look,

there are so many cooking videos on the internet that it doesn't make sense to just make like a traditional overhead. We don't want to make a video. We weren't even trying to, I mean, something, we were't make sense to just make a traditional overhead. We don't wanna make a cooking video. We weren't even trying to, I mean, something we were like, we gotta make a cooking video. No, but it's like, how do you make a cooking video without making a cooking video?

Right. So then we started to think, well, what if it kind of has this like, we also didn't wanna go that far until scripted territory where it's like, now I'm just joking around, well, I cook. I'm not an actor, maybe I could be I don't know Very good. Netflix. If you can be an actor no problem. I you know everyone has their little quiet dreams

You want to be an actor? I want to make the money that actors me So I mean I guess if it was the right script The script would have been hard to make is the idea it's like because, because you could just, you could so easily look like an idiot. Yeah, well, no, I'm saying. I'm saying the right script. And you know, I would do it. I'd do it, I'd do it, I'd do it. Anyhow, so yeah, the stress making is like,

it's kind of like set to the backdrop of Trump. Yeah, so people. So we kind of lighten into this nice happy medium of like, it'll be, you'll learn how to make the thing in the video, like for sure. But also you'll get these like kind of interesting aside. And I mean, I really liked the one we did. I think it was for the,

the one before the cheesecake. Buttermouchi. Buttermouchi, where it just like flips out and goes into like a peaceful like ocean for like 10 seconds. So it's more an experience watching the video than an instructional thing. Well, one of the things that I like about it,

and this is not just us, like patting ourselves in the back, it's just fun, you guys should watch it. You don't have to watch it, but it's just a cool thing. But I like it because I do actually find baking videos. They're fun to, I mean, I get people watching because it's like you like to see food and like to be like baking videos. Like they're fun to, I mean, I get people watching because it's like you like to see food.

And it's like to be making food. But I actually feel like, I understand, I feel very, this, a real, well, I know, but I feel a real kinship with you watching and I understand this emotion of like, you're trying to live. Like here's what's going on in life. Like you're trying to live and then Trump is like

fucking there in the background with some bullshit and it's like I just wanna wake up today and just go through the day and just not be not having a nor in the corner. In your drama, yeah, I have like floating, like literally floating in the video. But like, you know, I think that's, it's interesting like, also I, the recipes are great.

I mean, but I think that's like, is how we feel right now. Yeah, it's interesting because you can't go anywhere. I can't talk to my parents, I can't talk to any person on the street at a party or anything without Trump's name coming up at least once. No, it's the same. And it's just, like we're all kind of living with this like

AMB at anxiety about like, is a bomb gonna drop or something? No, like we could be a war, we could be a nuclear war, having a nuclear war with North Korea in the next 24 hours. Oh my God. Do you saw the day that North Korea, the, I guess Kim Jong-un said that Trump is too much like Obama, which is like, obviously, very intense. Very intense. Like, Kim Jong-un needs to chill the

fuck out because he doesn't know what's going on over here. We have our own Kim Jong-un. Yeah, we, I mean, but ours has like 150,000 nuclear warheads and Kim Jong-un is like we can shoot this close to Japan and it's like he needs to relax. I don't think he relies how quickly he can get his ass wiped out because I do think if America wants to put its military might behind something, but then of course we're at war with China. But then what happens after that?

And we're at war with China and it's believe me. It's nasty. I mean, which is why we all need to bake and make it all go wet. Yes, this is why we need to not, we need to not listen to Steve ban and we need to look at Steve Oven. Doesn't that make sense? Steve, Steve, I wish it was like a flower, but it's not Steve.

Steve Oven. Steve Oven. Steve the Oven. Steve the Oven. No, that's right. Not working. Anyhow, let's, one of the things I wanna talk about, which is, you wrote this piece earlier in the week

that I really like, and I think a super interesting everybody should read it. And again, not to pat ourselves in the back or talk about how great you are, but I just think you're a very talented man. About daytime television as a kind of reflection of American culture and I actually had been recently watching a lot of daytime TV like Mori and Phil Donahue and Morton Downey Jr. And... Well, that's like the heyday of it. Heyday is a good work. But like, talk about that.

Tell me about the piece. Talk about what you were trying to say and what you did say. I forget how I got interested in it, but it was basically just this idea of... I'll tell you how, I remember. You remember the fish? Remember the moment? Well, you were like these daytime TV ads were really fucked up. Oh yeah.

And it was like targeting people, poor people, and people who are like down on their luck. And it's really insane. And there should be a law against it. Well, yeah, I think, and it's like, it's one of those things where, I think America is really interesting because deep down, no one who lives in this country

doesn't know that like that we exploit people. Like that is what Americans do. And I think it's like at what point do we kind of like turn the other like cheek or what I look away from it? Yeah. It's really interesting to me where it's like there's an entire block of TV every single day. We're not only report people being exploited through advertisements for things that don't actually work, but on the shows themselves, they're being exploited.

There's no reason for two people to argue about the paternity of their child on national television with the picture of the baby, like in front of everybody. Right, right. You know, like if this were like, if I don't want to get into it, but like if these were white kids, like it just wouldn't happen that way. I mean, they exploit, they exploit poor white people. They exploit poor white people. I'm not saying I'm not saying like a Buzzfeed video.

I'm not saying like, who's baby is this? Well, maybe, yeah. Who knows? Maybe we're all just going down with them. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I, some of those Buzzfeed videos. It's true. I mean, they're like the try guys. I mean, they're sort of exploiting themselves. They get paid more though. I mean, they're like the try guys. I mean, they're sort of exploiting themselves. They get paid more though. I mean, that's the thing.

That's true. With these daytime shows, it's like, it's so immense, a certain ideology around poor people and around people of color in this country. That's like, they're poor, they wanna be poor. Here's why they're poor. And then you get to just like, look at all this stuff. And it's like, look how bad decisions they made. He can't even pay child support.

This is like so much about it is just like gross and disgusting. And we like celebrate more. He gets interviewed on the today's show. And it's like legendary talk show host, Mori Povitz. Yeah. It's like, no, he's just like a really horrible person. Bob Mfeeder. I mean, he's like, he's like, he's taking people in a bad position and like, exploiting them for his gain. For only his gain. And for entertainment. And like admittedly, like I understand how

other people's actual life drama is entertaining. I also understand how a lot of that stuff is, I mean, that's the entirety of reality television based on the idea that like the Vanderpump's drama is for my pleasure. By the way, I mean, I don't, I actually don't, I've seen like one episode of Vanderpump. It was pretty good.

I don't really know what the deal is. The Vanderpump's are just like a rich LA family or something. I think I mean, I don't know much about the Vanderpump. I don't get any in it. I just watch these shows when they're on TV and like, you know. But we can admit that the Vanderpump's only have a show because their name is Vanderpump, right? Absolutely.

It's like, the Vanderpump is like, no, the Vanderpump. is Vanderpump, right? Absolutely. Like, the Vanderbiltz is like, no, the Vanderpump. The Vanderpump, they're like, imagine the Vanderbiltz, but with no class. And they're like, I want that if they wore pumps. Yeah, exactly. So anyhow, so, um, but, but the thing about the piece was in kind of doing the research, I think a lot of my, I don't like knee jerk understanding of this programming block as you will, was that, oh, it's bad, it's exploitative, et cetera. And that all remains true. Like Jerry

Springer, more noni-junior. He's got to. Jerry Springer has a show now. Yeah, Jerry Springer's show is still on. Like he's bad. It's the same thing. It's the same show. You know, you bring these people on essentially to fight, so everybody can kind of look at it. That's not chill. Right. You bring these people on essentially to fight, so everybody can kind of look at it. That's not chill. But there is a deeper layer of it, which is we don't even show these types of people

on TV at all. Right. You know, when it comes to poor people, when it comes to people of color, it comes to transgender people, I mean, now we have more representations of gay people, but that is the view. If you see somebody who is poor, you see them in the context of this game show. Yeah, basically. You don't see poor people being poor. You don't see the day-to-day.

It's like, yeah, the good wife. The decision-making. Like, there's no poor characters in the good wife. No. Like, they're all super rich. They're all rich. I mean, every shit... I'm not breaking bad is about middle class.

Middle class. Yeah. Every new show is about- What do you show about like poor people? Atlanta is the most recent show where it actually talked. No, I hate when people describe shows talking about things, but like it portrayed some of the realities of being poor. But also, you know what's interesting about Atlanta, which I think is a great show,

I just feel like I just did any very Trumpian. Uh-oh. You know what's good about Atlanta, which I feel is a great show. It was like that thing with this hand here, this hand motion. We're all becoming so slow. You can't see it now, but I'm like, anyhow.

But it's like, okay, people are broke, but they're not pieces of shit. Exactly. Like it's like, yeah, shit sucks, but like in a, if we're a normal person in a situation that like they don't have control over, which I think is like very unusual. Well, that's the, I mean, that is unusual for life, but it's unusual for, to see an entertainment. Yes.

I think like America operates on kind of a belief around poor people, which is they made bad decisions, so they are poor. Right. And I think it's show like Atlanta does a really good job at showing like it is really fucking hard when you're poor to do anything. You, like, this guy has to sell a cell phone to, like, be able to pay rent for the mother to pay something for the month.

And then it's like, oh, well, you can make more money if you do this. And at the end of the episode, it's like, oh, you'll make that money in three months. And it's such a perfect example of, like, poor people do not have the luxury of making long-term decisions. Everything you do is about surviving until tomorrow.

And when the only representation of these types of people is on these game shows where they go on to fight with each other, it just says so much about how our culture understands itself and understands the people in it. Which is like, there's something so rich about the formerly middle class white America that is angry that they are now less formerly middle class white America that is angry that they are now like less than middle class

because their jobs have gone away or they've aged out of the workforce or whatever the reasons are. And the people, a lot of these people are voting for Trump and it's like, but imagine if your whole fucking life had been you not being even middle class trying to get to middle class and you're still trying to get there.

Like they're pissed about like you don't have what you used to have. It's like, well, you have something. And also you had it. You had it at one point. Imagine being in a situation where you never had it and couldn't get it and every part of existence was designed to prevent you from attaining it, which is like anyhow. You know, it's, but it's perfect perfect for this country where we are very good at making things look the way we want them to look.

Exactly, it's very much like organizing. Like, because I think like, you know, if we all started thinking about poor people differently, that would break down the way, you know, neoliberalism, American capitalism, our markets, every, like so much about the way we exist in this country is tied to the fact that there is a baseline belief that poor people are poor because they made bad decisions.

Right. And if you get rid of that, you have to change so much about America. It's interesting. That like, do you, I mean, do you really think people walk around thinking that? I don't think it's, I don't think it's as over, it's the same thing with like conversations about racism, where I think like we're kind of in this weird't think it's, I don't think it's as over. It's the same thing with like conversations about racism

where I think like we're kind of in this weird moment where it's like if you try to talk about your intersectionality or if you try to talk about race in any way, white people want to say like, oh well, you're just like wumping all white people in together, that's the same thing as being racist. I don't like people. And it's like, not all whites.

It's not, it's not about like, it's about a pernicious sort of attitude. Like I can catch myself in it, you know where it's like, you're on the train and you see someone who's like begging or homeless or whatever. And like your thought process isn't as complicated or isn't as nuanced to think like, I wonder how you got here.

It's more like, oh, is he gonna do drugs or like what's gonna happen? Like the old, you know that, I mean, I think, you know what I think, I'm like, I'm like, please don't talk to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I can't say I make no judgment about the person themselves.

I'm just like, I really don't want to engage, but I think about this for everybody on the train. Well, yeah, that's how it's all about. Like it literally could be any could be the richest person on the train. I'm like, please don't engage me any. I do not look at me, because I hate taking the train.

So that's like, well, you're a, yeah. I'm gonna lead it. How often do you take the train? Very rarely's like well, you're a yeah, I'm gonna lead it How often do you take this very rarely and I'm very happy about that if I can avoid it Look one of my I'll be honest with you one of the great luxuries I enjoy in life is saying like I'm gonna get in a cab You know what a lot of people can't say that if I could I would I fucking say it all the time and it's great Honestly, I go bankrupt doing that shit probably. Writing in a cab before. No, I'm very bad with money.

I'm very, very irresponsible. Like Laura and I talk fight about this all, not fight, but we talk about it all the time where I'm. It's good, you have a wife. Yeah, it is, it is actually, because I'm like, let's just buy this thing and it's like, we've actually been arguing about sofas. I'm sorry, I'm going on a tangent here.

I'm like, this sofas my favorite. And she's like, but we can't afford that. And I'm like, but it's better than all the others. She's like, you just think that this is expensive. I'm like, no, I don't look at the stitching in the, and it's like that I'm like, at the top of that. It's like, okay, we're going to IKEA. I'm like, just because it's going to get stained anyhow.

Daytime TV. Daytime TV. So I think this piece is super interesting because it does actually talk about, I think a lot of what we write about, I mean what we try to write about when we're talking about entertainment or politics is not like, and you do this,

I think you've done it a bunch. It's not like, Mori is just a show on television because nothing is just a thing. It's not just like, you know, just a pipe. Like, but no, you know, it is, it's part of a continuum of how we think, how we entertain each other, how we talk to each other, how we talk about each other. And it's so interesting. I read that piece because it started as a really random pitch, which things, with things, things with you definitely,

Jeff come into pitch means he's like I'm sure I think of like an actual one. It's like bananas. So yeah, you're like what's up with tables? And we're like what do you mean? He's like tables. They're everywhere man, yeah, and then but then you have a conversation. It's like oh, okay And it's into some thing but this is like you're like those commercials are terrible. I think it's how it started. But it's so interesting to read it and go, if you start to think critically, I don't think we need to be critical all the time.

But if you really start to think critically about, this is the thing is, I feel like nobody ever stops and goes, wait, what is it neat? Why am I doing this? It's like Twitter is filled with people who are like, hold on a second. Why are you retweeting it?

What are you saying? Why do you think this? Like, have you analyzed it all? The, the, can you look outside of it? Exactly, yeah. And when you look outside of something even as what's seemingly innocuous as daytime TV, it's pretty fucked up.

Horrible. Like, it's a, it's bad for. Society. Bad for everybody. I mean, I think I didn't get into it into the piece because it might, I think I didn't get into into the piece because I think I just would have dragged it down is imagining a world because it's like this is TV

where people are for people who are at home during the day. These are unemployed people. Yeah, retired or retired or retired. Or they could be maybe ill. Anything. People who have a cold. People who are down on their lot. Do we know how many people have a cold on a regular basis

who sell them from work? That's such a good stuff. Do we know how many people have a cold on a regular basis, who say, I don't know if the more such a good stuff. Do you get a number? John, can you just look at this up? What's the average? That's a really good question. Average, great. Average, average. You stay home from work because they have a cold.

I love that question. I bet it's a fucking ton of people. Yeah. I think it's like three million. Let's take a guess. Three million. I don't think the data is on there. All right, let's see.

I'm literally googling right now how many people have a cold. No, that's not gonna get you. Okay, well, okay, it's more than three million US cases for a year. Oh,, let's see. I'm literally googling right now how many people have a cold. No, that's not going to get you. Okay, well, okay, it's more than three million US cases for a year. Oh, so it's three million? Per year. Oh, per year. Per year. I mean, you divide that by, you get a little rough day.

That's three million, 65. Yeah. That's like, I should be able to do this. Oh. Well, that's funny. The iPad still doesn't have a calculator. It doesn't. It doesn't?

No. The iPad won. No, I think it just doesn't. No, it got updated. It just doesn't have a calculator. It doesn't. It doesn't. No, I thought one. Okay. No, I think it just doesn't. No, it got updated. It just doesn't have a calculator. It doesn't have a calculator. Why would they leave that feature off of the I-Tab? It's too big. They're like screens too big for our calculator.

Make a big ass scientific calculator. That means there's only 82,000 cases a day. I don't believe that. That's not right. There's how many working people in America? Mm. Trump's America. Trump's America. It's through the roof.

They can't stop. People are getting, they have two jobs. Seriously, they have three jobs. Yeah, there's so many jobs. They have so many jobs. They can't stop reading. He's right, people back to work. They're working four jobs.

Yeah. Any 80-200 days, that's right. What we were talking about. Okay, 80-200 a day. But Mari's viewership is way higher than 80-200. Yeah, millions of viewers a day. But an idea I had writing this was, you know, what if we had, I don't know what this is called,

maybe it's called socialism, maybe it's called something else. But, and it's just, I don't know, you know, call what you want. Call what you want. Call it what you know, any name that seems right. But if during that block of television, we actually just aired stuff that was strictly targeted to helping people.

Yeah, but how high can I get money? Oh, maybe, maybe a system that's built on and profiting off of the exploitation of human labor isn't good. Would you describe yourself as a socialist? Yes. Would you say that Bernie would have won? Yes. Wow.

That's what I believe, do you really believe that? I believe that's so fundamentally. You tell me, you believe, honestly, Bernie Sanders gets to middle American people are like yeah, okay They love him. They love him. Lo screaming Jewish guy. I think that's the thing that is like so broken about Democrats is that there's like There's this like false understanding of how things work Which is like really it's based on like a reality that did once exist But it existed 20 years ago.

And I think like, you talk to an old person West Virginia about getting free healthcare and get their kids going to school for free. They're not as concerned as they were in the 80s about government cheese, free loaders, and all that garbage. They're just like, yeah dude, it's been hardest fuck for the past 10 years. That sounds good.

Right. You think he would just want to hear somebody tell them what they want to hear? I mean, that's all Trump did, right? Yeah. But you only want my 70,000 votes. I think it's less about the margin and more about who is going to get people excited to vote. Right.

And that's not, but it is the hurdle. It's true. Bernie's more exciting to listen to. More exciting to listen to. I remember doing a segment where... It's way crazier. I did a segment for Vice and the Bronx

where Bernie was doing a rally and we tried to find as many anti-Bernie people as we could. And all of them were like, you know, I really like Trump. If it's between, and they hated Ted Cruz, it was when Ted Cruz is still in the second place. He's a piece of shit. He's the worst.

But they're like, if it's Ted Cruz and Bernie, Alvo Bernie. And I think like, if you have Republicans saying that, like, I don't know that he would have had that far to go to convince a few people. Not to mention the millions of young people who would have voted for that guy. Yeah, I'm well, you have to wonder.

I mean, but so, I'm just gonna say though, come on. Those fucking young people, we're gonna vote for Bernie. And we can talk for hours about this, but so I don't wanna go down to rabbit hole, but are you telling me that you really believe? Because if it's true, those people are the fucking worst. That they voted, they instead of voting for Hillary,

who they didn't like, but was far closer to their ideals, than Trump is. Well, yeah. Just sad it out. I mean, I think it's two things. So I think it's like a lot of people. It's, I mean, I felt this way. Everyone. You know, if Jill Stein didn't I feel it for Hillary. But I think the thing was a lot of people were like, Oh, it's okay.

You tell you you've had it for Jill Stein. It's locked in to see you had your secret save. You had Glenn Greenwald of all people saying Hillary Clinton is obviously going to win. So a vote for Jill Stein isn't a big deal. That was like, no, I never said that. Oh, Edward's son said that. Same thing. Same thing. And it's like, no, no, that guy to... That guy is like, Glen is like, nobody is good. Everyone is bad.

I feel like I saw him. We have to blow up the government. I feel like I saw him have that taken somewhere. And that's why I've been like, that's his take. Oh, that Hillary is obviously a lock. So I think he used the words a lock. I think Snowden said that.

He said it too for sure. Yeah. But in any case, I think a lot of people who were in the Bernie camp, not necessarily voting for Jill Stein, we're just like, I'm not going to vote. Hillary's going to win whatever. And that's a fault of everybody. I think Hillary pushed that message.

Yeah, I agree. The media pushed that message. I don't disagree. I don't disagree. We have a very broken system here. That's why. Do you think Bernie will run in 2020? I think it'll be too old to do. He's fun. I don't disagree. We have a very broken system here. That's why. Do you think Bernie O'Rone in 2020?

I think it'll be too old to. How old is he? 70? I don't know. He's older than that, I think. I think he's older. I mean, from... But I think he's older.

Yeah, he's like fine wine. He's aging. Yeah, I mean, he's doing a little world tour right now. That's very interesting. Well, he's got a world tour. He's going around the country and like, he's drawing crowds. He's like quietly like doing his thing. He's got a book. He's got a book.

What about Michelle? Could she run? I don't think Michelle Obama needs to run for president. She probably is like, wasn't that excited to have to live in the White House in the corner. I'm sure. You need somebody who's like a slam dunk. There's no one.

We just got to fix everything. Corey. Corey Wilker. No. No. Who is it? I mean, that's a bit of Warren now. She's too. She's too. She's a woman. I mean, this is, this country, that's it. She's two, I mean, she's a woman. I mean, this is, this country is like not ready.

It's like that's what's so insane. I don't think that is true. Well, who's the right woman? I don't know who my woman is. Who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, who my, me? Okay? Yeah, why would they be there? That's like divorce a date. No, she's also like a very handsome Anthony Wiener Wait, who is this guy though Tony golden. What does he do come on? He's in like scandal He's like the love interest. He's the president. I don't watch the president in the TV show. I think so damn That's right. I don't know, I don't watch it. He's a very, I'll be honest with you.

He's a very handsome guy. He'll play, he'll play Weiner in the biopic. Yeah, exactly. That would be weird. Wow, he's so weird. Wow. And if a new Weiner was a guy really liked for a while, he'd been great if he wasn't a complete sex addict.

God, I mean, he really fucked up. And always, that's what always happens. I know, but it doesn't have to. He just did. It just did. You know what? You know, but it doesn't have to. He just did. It just did. You know what? You know, that's a whole other show. That's the day you're here, episode.

I'm gonna wrap up now. All right. This is great. I really enjoyed this conversation. My first podcast. It's just insane to me. You should be on more podcasts. I should have a podcast.

You should do a podcast. Well, hey, you know what? We're doing a lot of new projects of the outline. You never know. Hey. Anyhow, Jeff, thank you for doing this. Thank you. You have something coming tomorrow.

I guess this will be up a little bit on that. If that even goes, it might not. That's time to talk about it. But you're always working on something. Always working, never not working. Oh, also, if you haven't seen Jeff did a thing about this guy Kevin Abstract, which is really cool. We did a feature on him.

Listen to Kevin Abstract. He's an extremely interesting artist, I think. Jeff is like, I want to do a thing on this guy. I'm like, which is really cool. We did a feature on him. Listen to Kevin Abstract. He's a very, he's an extremely interesting artist. I think Jeff is like, I wanna do a thing on this guy. I'm like, who is he? Cause I'm an old person. I mean, I saw the video. I saw the video and I heard the music and I was like, this kid is gonna be a star.

It's gonna be a big kid. And I guarantee you, well, I don't guarantee cause that would be crazy. But I think he will be. But you should check that out. So look, you gotta come back and do this. I will. I'm literally fired from the booth. Always here. So look, you gotta come back and do this. I will. Luckily, you're literally a feed away from the food.

Always here. So it's very easy. And thanks for coming on. Thank you for this week. We'll be back next week with more tomorrow. And as always, I wish you and your family the very best, though. I understand a billionaire has just decided to kill them. And he's definitely going to get away with it.

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