Tomorrow - Episode 9: The Bloomberg Trio Goes to Dub-Dub

Episode Date: June 4, 2015

A slightly intoxicated and angry Josh transforms the Tomorrow studio into a Bloomberg conference room by sitting down with his colleagues Michael Shane and Stephen Pulvirent. The trio quickly cover topics such as watches, Star Wars fan clubs, the snack situation at Bloomberg, and even manage to find time to talk about the reason they decided to get on the mic in the first place—dub-dub DC, aka the Apple Worldwide Developers Conference. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to Tomorrow, I'm your host, Joshua Topolsky. Today on the podcast, we're going to talk about Smithies Barbecue, Walksheds, and the Emperor's Hammer. But first, a word from our sponsor. This episode of Tomorrow with Joshua Topolsky is brought to you by Nadex, Binary Options Trading. Say you think the price of a global resource is going to go up. You can go to nadex.com and make a trade on that. You're not buying stock. You're trading on where you think the price will be by a certain time.

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And Stephen Polverin, what is your title? My title is Associate Editor Bloomberg Pursuits. Close enough. Who cares about titles? Close enough, yeah. Close enough. In the tomorrow podcast space titles are not meaningful. Everybody's know what matters what you bring to the conversation. Well, I'm going to bring it.

I hope you do. A lot to live up to now. Anyhow, so this is a we're having a podcast. This is the first first tomorrow podcast with more than one person Manaja toa it's the first it's the first three way. Oh, that's wrong. I'm wrong. Okay. I'm sorry I take that back. This is the second tomorrow Magnus Magnus my producer who Swedish just reminded me that we did an I didn't episode with tan lines It was a two on one

But tan lines is like one unit. It's a guest. It's a guest made up of two people, but anyhow, so any of this our second three way. And I'm so glad to have you guys here. So, so first off, Steve, and tell me what you do. So I handle wristwatches for Bloomberg

pursuits, which is our luxury luxury. So that's that's a little short. All right, all right. So I handle wristwatches. I also handle our consumer tech coverage and kind of pinch hit on fashion and style and food coverage where we need.

Yeah, Michael. How long do we have for Michael? We have at least 30 to 45 seconds. Oh, God. We've worked together for a little while. We have. Tell me. Do you want to talk about that?

I mean, I was at the office today with you. With your office. The Bloomberg office. That's true. I was thinking about how we've worked together a long time. I've never seen your bare feet. That's fucking disgusting. I don't know why you would even talk about that

That's like a really sick thing to bring up I'm not gonna lie you. That's the worst thing I've ever heard from a person in my entire life. I was thinking about all Why would you why would you want to see my bare feet? I mean like were you not busy enough today? Disturbing point to make what do I understand what do you want to see them? No point to make. What do I understand? What do you want to see them? No, are you sure? He didn't say anything about wanting. I'm not on the experts. A lot of things I haven't done. He's on the right one. So what I just heard, Steven, back me up. That sounded like he was a little disappointed. I mean, there are lots of things that I have not done that I do not want to. Right.

No, it's right. It's like. It's like I never murdered anybody. Right, I'm cool with that. I mean either. I'm good. I'm a holding steady on not murdering. Cool. So can you tell me why you thought of that? No, I can't remember. Really? That's because I was so busy. Which is because of the sandals, the sandals. Oh yes.

Oh, that's what it is. About mannedals. That's when I was thinking about it. Male sandals. And you thought. I've never seen Josh's feet So did this come my fault It's so upsetting So many levels in what way is that related to what you do? It's come well I I sometimes think about what I don't know

Can we start the sofa is there any way to redo this? it's, well, I sometimes think about what I don't know about you. Can we start this over? Is there any way to redo this? What was the question I asked Michael? You asked me what I do. Here's what I do. Here's what I do. Yeah, what do you do at Bloomberg?

I work with our editorial teams across the whole company to help people collaborate and make great journalism. Oh, could you give it that answer before the feet answer? Yeah, that's a much better answer. That's an answer. Just edit all that out. Anyhow, but you're both nerds. I think I want to get to the core of why you're on the show right now.

That sounds nice. Michael, you're really pushing things. You're both, you're both nerdy people. I've worked with you. Now Michael, I've worked with a long time. Steve and I were with a much shorter time. But what strikes me about both of you is that you're, uh, you're like, you know, in a different age, you would have been beaten up because you're into things that most people are not into. My body is a weapon. No, your body is... Your body is...

You're gonna stay with a strait for days. Your body is not a weapon. We'll see if I'm said... It's a thing to the weapon. It's a huge storm. That's what your body is. Does your weapon have an... An opus in it?

There. I don't know. Yeah. Michael. Fair. Okay. And yeah, Steven, you're like into... ...super into watches.

I'm super into watches. You're like the nerdy as person as far as watches are concerned that I've ever been. I've had my entire life. I'm passionate. I'm passionate. No, he's more than passionate. A passionate person is like, I love watches.

Steven is like, let me tell you about the history of watches. Yeah, and I got to know everything. Yeah, I can really upset if I don't know. Yeah, but you're also learning about technology that is non-watch technology. Very true. So I wanted to bring you on because I wanted to talk to you about, there's the morning this happens, Apple's big developer conference will be taking place,

what's gonna happen? What are you looking forward to? I don't know, but both of you just looked at me, like I have some kind of like secret answer to the question. We know you know everything. I know. We know you know what's gonna happen. Secret answer.

Just unload on us right now. I know the one thing that I know for a fact is going to happen is there's going to be lots of hand-ringing and lots of people really disappointed that something they had no reason to expect was going to happen didn't happen. Of course. So you're saying there's gonna be hand-ringing and disappointment.

And disappointment. That pretty much goes for anything that happens in life. Especially to us. Yeah. The nerds. The nerd that happens in life, especially to us. Yeah. The nerds. The nerds. Anyhow, but do you think there's going to be any watch announcements and watch updates? I think we'll get some updates on the SDK and on what we can expect from third party

developers. What about sales? Let me just say that the SDK to those who don't know is the software developer kit, development kit. Development kit. Software development kit. That's a very nerdy term. Most people don't ever have to interact with it. Stephen, of course, knows it by heart being a nerdy.

Well, I don't want to accuse you of anything. You're not accusing. I'm just saying you know stuff. It's not a big deal. People who know stuff, dangerous, very dangerous territory. So yeah, we'll get some, we'll get some watch news. We'll know what people can do with the watch, what people can't do with the watch

in terms of giving us more apps. Because you have a watch, you're not wearing one right now. I do have one, I'm not wearing it today, I wear it every day for about six weeks. He's saying about the Apple watch, I'm wearing mine right now and Michael is wearing his. I just got it though. You know what you don't have though.

What? What's that? You don't have a Facebook app. What? You don't have a Facebook app. What? You don't have a Facebook app. Why would I want that? Yeah. I'm just saying you don't have one yet. What are you saying?

Even seeing that yet, we might see one on my mind. Can I ask a question, this is all seriousness? So you know that a couple of years ago, Apple introduced this interaction with iOS where you could create like, if you were an app developer, you could create like a share, like a share portion of your app.

So when you bring up the Apple share menu, you have your app in it, like Twitter has it. But you know, oh, I selected this text or I took a picture or whatever, I'm gonna share it on Twitter. The native menu. Right. The native share menu. Right. Instagram is not part of the Native Sherman. You can't go from a photo in your photo gallery to Instagram. There is

no way to do it. You have to do it from the Instagram app. Am I the only person who thinks that's totally insane? I don't have an Instagram account. What? What? Talking about you internet for a living. I you kidding me? I internet for a living and I am and have been a professional photographer and yet never used Instagram. This is a depressing factoid that I'm learning right now about. That's just blows my mind. Do you have an Instagram account? I do. Why would I? Why would he? I only have so much room in my life for apps.

Really? What other social networks are you on? I mean pretty much just I mean I have a Facebook account because I've had one since like 2004. Okay, you know You don't have to prove anything to anybody just saying you've had a Facebook account for a long time and I used I Used Twitter and that's it. Okay, no Instagram. No, I'm an amateur. What if I want to tag you in a photo? Please don't I can't do it. You're not out there Anyhow Stephen tell me about your Instagram account. My Instagram account is full of pictures of watches like you would expect. Yeah, I get to see some cool watches. I'll just point them. I'm not going to lie to you. You know, I do some traveling. That's fun.

I get to take some pictures of places I go. That is true. I'm aware of some of your traveling. I would hope you are. Anyhow, so we're going to go to WODC. We're going to see some things. Michael, do you want to talk about it? WWDC. Yeah Dub Dub. Do you think that they'll talk about Sales of Apple Watches? Do you think they'll brag? I don't know if they'll brag because I'm not 100% sure there's much to brag about. That's what I was getting at. Yeah, I don't I don't know I mean what are you saying you're saying the sales have been at disappointment?

Well think about think about things like there's someone in the office who ordered their apple watch Are you telling me that's a person specifically? Yeah, it doesn't matter who it is this person ordered their apple watch You name them it was yet he ordered his apple watch many weeks before I ordered mine. Yeah, but our watches arrived Very close to each other. So what does that tell you? I think they're They caught up to demand very very quickly. I don't know man Honestly, it's a it's a a difficult, very complex product, man. Have you seen a lot of them in the wild? No, none.

Absolutely. Yeah, I've seen maybe three or four. I've seen one that wasn't on a nerd or a colleague. Who was it? Some random guy in the subway. Did you talk to him? No. It's a random guy in the subway.

Did you think about it, though? I looked at his wrist. Did you send him your heart? It was, it was a, he had a was, he had a white rubber band on, which he definitely wasn't gonna talk to. So the cheaper version. Well, that's nothing wrong with that. Is that what you have?

I got the aluminum. Yeah. The aluminum what? Apple watch. No, but the band. Oh, oh no, the rubber one. The rubber band. You were saying white rubber band.

Yeah. So I don't understand, it seems very judgmental. Am I crazy? No, no, no, saying white rubber band. Yeah, so I don't understand it seems very judgmental. Is it my crazy? No, no, I don't know I just give very uncomfortable when I see the white bands. Okay fine. Let's change topics What else actually before we get off this what else do you think do you have any other idea what Apple's gonna announce and Mark German has some scoops on this. Yeah, I mean, I think we're gonna see some sort of Google now competitor Yeah, I hope I hope do you hope that I do I hope we see, I mean, I think we're going to see some sort of Google now competitor. Yeah, I hope I hope. Do you hope that I do? I hope we see something. I tell you, I I'm Siri compared to Google now or whatever Google's voice thing is. It's like no contest.

No, it's not. I mean, the other day I was playing around with some phone. I was ahead my phone and I had an Android phone nearby. And I wanted to play a song on Spotify. It was Sylvia by pulp from the album. This is hardcore. And I was like, I want to play a song on Spotify. It was Sylvia by pulp from the album This Is Hardcore and I was like I want to hear this song and so I said to Siri hey can you play Sylvia by pulp. I was like sorry that's not in your music library. Do you want to open iTunes? It's like no I don't fucking want to open iTunes. I don't want to spend $199 on Sylvia by pulp. I just want to listen to it. And on my Android device, I said, I play Sylvia by Paul, but it was like, what application

you want to open this with? And I said Spotify. And it was like, boom, and it started playing the song, which is brilliant. And so I feel like Apple is so far behind the curve on the understanding on this kind of like human understanding of conversation and Siri's so behind the curve and their data set is so Empty, I mean if they don't do a Google Now competitor and if they even if they do like what it will be based What is it gonna be based on well? That's a question. I mean do they do they actually have enough of that kind of data? To do it well and if they if don't, do they do it anyway

and it's another series? Can I ask you a question? Yeah, you can ask me anything you want. I feel like we've been saying for years, oh Apple is so far behind on services. Apple can't figure out services. It's true. But I don't know.

Do you think we only care about that because we're nerds? Because I mean, the company just keeps making more and more money and it's gonna hit a trillion dollar market cap at some point in the relatively near future. But we all know that when you actually compare the service aside, Apple is not nearly as strong as it could be or it should be. So what let's go. Let me ask you this question.

How many people do you know within at me or iCloud account email account? I have a at mac.com account that I know you do with account for a long time. Generally speaking, but no, no one. When you meet people, what do they say? No, it's Gmail. Right. I mean, unless it's something else.

And I mean, do either of you use Apple's calendar without routing it through Google Calendar first? No. No. Well, I don't, you know, honestly, I do all, most of my computing to be completely honest is, is work related like my personal calendar, which is linked to my Mac.com address is essentially empty.

My life is very simple. I have work, very zen, very disciplined. Oh, okay. Is that how you, is that how you're framing that? Okay, cool. Yeah, sure. You know, try to look at the bright side. Exactly, exactly. It's all you don't have things to do.

You just end up in a discipline. My calendar use is not super intense outside of work. So I've never used one of the I'm in a row. So how does this, you're not answering this question. What was the question? The question was whether you route it through, I don't, you don't, I don't. But I'm not,

but you, I mean, what are you saying is like, do you use like Apple calendar? Solo yeah, but I definitely don't do No, I do everything through Google of course. Yeah, I don't put it. I don't need nearly enough functionality for it to matter for me That's the thing. I mean when I saw a lot of calendaring when I saw now on tap the new Google service that kind of connects all of your apps together I was like this is forget about it. I mean, story about it. Well, I did, but beyond that, it's just this thing where you know, you have these disparate

experiences on phones now, where there's like one thing over here and the one thing over here. And Apple did create this model of like jumping between these things like you're going from this to this to this to this to this. And to get to, this goes back to the Instagram thing I was talking about where you can't share a photo to Instagram from your photos app on the iPhone, but on Android, if you're in photos,

and you're like, I wanna share this, Instagram is like one of the things you can jump into and share the photo, right? It's really seamless. And I just think that that interconnectivity between applications is a huge new frontier. But is that the fact that there's no Instagram and the native share menu? Is that an Instagram issue or an Apple issue? Because like you can get to hip-jacks in the

native share. That's an Instagram issue. But but but but spaking that more and more into the native behavior of your OS is like a big deal. It's a really really big deal. I mean, it's a really, really big deal. People don't realize it, but you don't live in a world where you use one thing to do everything. You live in a world where you're using lots of different apps and you have lots of experience. Steven, you may not know this, but Josh is deeply, deeply passionate and committed to the continuous client.

Wow. Really? He doesn't even know what the continuous client is. I do not know what the're saying. I don't know what you're saying. I don't know what you're saying. I don't know what you're saying. I don't know what you're saying. I don't know what you're saying. I don't know what you're saying. I don't know what you're saying. I don't know what you're saying.

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It's called continuity. And I think Google has a version of it. I think it's called a weave. Is it weave? Maybe. I just make that up. That's just the cool. It just sounds basically cool.

It's a cool hacker weave. Anyhow, but you know, the idea that you could move from one screen to another to another and never leave the continuity of what you're doing. And they have a, Apple has actually accomplished that in many ways. I don't know why we're talking about it right now. You just wanted to bring it up to put me on the spot, Michael. I was, it's all of you, man. Oh, all of you are.

Oh, really? You put it out, but I just knocked it into the net, because you're so athletic. Knocked it into the net. The basket. Basketball. Anyhow, so let's, but let's for a second, I don't know why we're talking about the continuous client,

which is the best idea I ever had. No, because we were talking about, you know, in app integration into the native share menus and how it's inconsistent. Yeah. And it's, what I was saying about Google is that this, this now on tap gives them some kind of like this very all-encompassing,

ethereal place on your mobile device if it's Android. But you know what the problem is? No, I don't. The last specific I read was that, you know, less than 10% of users are on the latest version of Android. Isn't that a huge problem? Yes, it's a huge problem. It's a giant problem.

It's a gigantic, because the latest version of Android is pretty good. Right. Great. And unfortunately, unlike Apple, when Apple has a new update to their software, they just, everybody updates to it. On Android, it's like you're waiting for carriers

to make a decision about whether or not you can upgrade to the new software. And that usually doesn't happen. And so there's 10% of overall. I mean, that is like a depression, it should be a depressing stat for Google. I mean, it's a boatload of people, but it's not a good percentage. No, I mean, if I were a Larry or Sergey, I would be crying myself to sleep right now. Sobbing, right. I'd be sobbing into a Kleenex made out of $1,000 bills. Does that exist?

They used to. Steve and you would know. They used to be $1,000 bills. Don't build. I have a story coming tomorrow. Don't $1,000 bill Kleenex. Anyhow, we were going to talk about something specific. What was it?

Oh, WDC predictions. Let me just be clear. Stephen predicted disappointment. Can I talk about this for a second? Yeah. WDC, as we call it in the industry, is the time of year when Apple brings all of its developers together and talks about the advancements in iOS and OS 10

or OS X as some affectionately referred to it. And it's not usually, they don't really release a lot of products. Sometimes once in a while, they'll throw something out there like a laptop or an Apple TV or iPad. But it's usually just about software. Last year, they introduced some of iOS 8 and some of, what is the name of the new OS,

the new desktop OS? You said it. You said it many. Right. None of which has been, I think, widely embraced. But I mean, we still do the same things on your computer. Right. But besides the Google Now stuff that we think they're going to announce, this sort of Google

Now like functionality, do you know anything else they're going to talk about? Can you imagine anything else? I mean, most of the chatter is it's going to be small back-end things. It's going to be things like making it run smoother, making animation smoother, making security better. It's just a big deal for Apple. It is a big deal. They want to be the smoothest.

They do want to be the smoothest. They want to sell the most. They want to be the smoothest. They want to be the smoothest. Yeah. I mean, we do hear that it sounds like the new version of iOS is actually going to run on older devices, unlike the past updates we've gotten where you install it on your year old phone.

And it's garbage. That does nothing for me. I mean, it's very boring outfit. It's a really boring announcement. I just wanted them to redesign iOS. This is why people are always disappointed. They're like, oh my God. Here's what I want.

What, I'm gonna tell you what I want more than anything. What do you want, Joshua? For Apple to do. I'm gonna tell you, I want more than anything. What do you want? For Apple to do. I'm gonna tell you, just give me a chance. One is I want them to make iOS not ugly. That's the first thing. Can you be more specific? Well, it's gross looking, it's icon suck.

It's like glass panels are not really fully realized. And then I want it to work more like how I work. In the sense that I wanted to work more like that it recognizes that there are users who need more than the most basic ways of doing things. Can you give an example to your Joshua? I mean, also, if you think about your iPhone, right? Do you do much with it that's not in an app?

No, I wanted to open a fucking zip file. I wanted to be able to process a zip file that somebody sends me and show me the files inside of it. Okay? I want to be able to share something to Instagram from my photo's app. Blam. Blam. Those two solid examples. And there you have it.

You have it. The ad this podcast is over. Steve it. I was pretty excited to see what Apple was gonna do with TV, but we're not getting that now. Next. Apparently not. Michael.

Dispredictions. I don't know. I shouldn't make predictions. Why not? Go ahead. Come on. Just do it. Everybody's doing it. Everybody's getting into know. I shouldn't make predictions. Why not go ahead? Come on, just do it Everybody's doing it everybody's getting into this everybody's getting into it. You know join the club all your friends are into it Take the take the red pill or whatever Blue pill take what you're The last time they updated the iMacs take whatever pill makes you feel there's a retina 5k right 5k retina

at least you feel there's a retina 5k right? 5k retina. How long does it take to bring you four months ago? You know what these are? The retina 5k. Get the fuck out of my face. Well, I'm still bitter that they, you know, took aperture out behind the show. Oh, get out of here.

All right, just put a brain on the toe. We're gonna do it. We're gonna take a break. We're gonna take a break. And when we come back, we're gonna talk to Steve and Michael about their childhoods. So stay tuned. Excellent.

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I thought the only thing that happens in Austin is South by Southwest. No, there's actually a city. You grew up in Austin. I did, yeah. What part of Austin? I grew up in Northwest Austin. On North and the Hill Country.

And WNW. Or you conceived it South by Southwest? I was not. I was not. Actually, I was born in Boston. Oh, wait, it a second. Whoa time out Come on. I'm out here. Yeah born in Boston Dad's and semi-conductors ended up in Austin, okay, okay like he conducted half an orchestra

With the dead Side note Michael Sheaane is a classically trained clarinetist or a side diver to a cloudest and He played with the Cleveland Symphony Orchestra. He also loves to scuba dive. Yeah, unrelated. I do that. Anyhow, so you grew up in Austin. I grew up in Austin. Yeah.

And then he talked about that. Yeah, it was a fun town. It was a lot smaller when I grew up there. I mean, my family moved there and we mean physically smaller. It was physically smaller. The city limits had changed. The city limits had changed. I don't know if the city limits changed, but when we moved there, I was five and 10 minutes

north of our house were cows, and now you can drive all the way to Dallas and... Not to your cow. It's not to your cow, yeah. There's no cow's running. It's just sitting endless sitting down. Do you ever go to a Smitty's barbecue? Smitty's barbecue, haven't ever seen it?

You make that up, do you? No, no, it's a real barbecue place outside of Austin. It'll blow your mind. Josh, you can't go because you don't eat animals, but Steve, right? I'll have Smitty's. Smitty's. All right. It smells made up.

My usual go-to is the salt thing. Come on, I got to look up what time it's done. I don't ask for that. It's outside of Austin. All right, now Michael, let's go to you. Where did you grow up? I grew up in Columbia, South Carolina. It's impossible. Wow. I know grew up in Columbia, South Carolina. It's impossible. Wow

There are Jewish people in the Yeah, a lot of people don't realize this South Carolina in Georgia. There are fairly sizable Jewish communities in Southeast really Charleston, Columbia, there were Jews in Texas too. Yeah, so there's a lot of Jews I'm blind. Not one. Yeah, we weren't the only one. Oh, you're Jewish. Yeah, I'm Jewish. I'm a Shocker. I don't have a Southern accent because my dad grew up in Queens, so in New York. So he's New York, so his accent canceled South Carolina.

Right, I don't know. Yeah. So his accent canceled out in any trace of a Southern accent. Thank God. Wow. Wow, this is great. This is great.

So anyhow, so you grew up in South Carolina. Yeah. And you've been like southerners. Yeah. I don't know what that's like. I grew up in Pittsburgh. The Berg. Yeah, I don't know what that's like. I grew up in Pittsburgh the bird Well, we don't call it that people do but they're they don't deserve to live in Pittsburgh as far as I'm concerned

That's the full name is a good orchestra in Pittsburgh granted the greatest I wouldn't go that far Well one of the best one of the top orchestras in the world. Is it better than any orchestra that's ever existed? I'll let that go because it's your podcast. Let's talk about for a second. Steven, you're a watch expert. I am a watch expert. You're wearing what right now? I'm wearing a 45 year old Rolex GMT.

Wow. What's the official name for a watch professional, a watch genius? Are you a parologist? Are you a parologist? Yes, I guess parologist. No, no, no, no, you're a professional. Are you a parologist? Yes, I guess. No, no, no, no, no, you're not. You're not in the middle. A herologist is like a watch expert

who does things with watch. It's like somebody who studies time. Would you call yourself a herologist? No, I wouldn't. Could you have a your background a little bit? Yeah, sure. You were previously, previous to Bloomberg, you were at a website called Hodinky.

I was. Is that how it's pronounced? Yeah, how do you spell that? H-O-D-I-N-K-E-E. Can you explain the name? Yeah, sure. It is a play on the check word for wristwatch, which is Hodinky just spelled with a Y. And our founder, Ben Climer, thought it sounded and looked cooler. If he spelled it with two E's, it'll kind of internetty. And by the time the site blew up, it was too late to change in the name. Every time I see it, I think about the sound that the jawas and star wars make.

I think about it. It's kind of the same. I never thought about it. What? You know, sound effects. Wow. We get sound effects, see? That's great. And Magnus, we'll replace that with the actual sound effect from star wars.

That'd be awesome. That's great. Anyhow, so, but how do you, how do you end up, Steven? Yeah. How do you end up being like a watch expert? I completely fell into it. I was freelancing, mostly writing about high-end men's clothes, like bespoke suits, handmade shoes. Really? Yeah. I was for what? I was freelancing. I wrote for like GQS Squire, the Rake, business week, business week was how this all-.

Business week magazine. Yeah, business week magazine. And you're writing about like fancy blazers. Yeah, basically. Yeah. And I wrote about a watch auction for business week. A watch, a watch in. A watch in.

Yeah. It's complicated in industry too. Yeah, sure. And ended up meeting Ben and he was looking to grow the site. He had just finished J school and yeah, journalism school. Just finished. You didn't go to J school. I did not go to journal. It's made me there. Michael you didn't go to J school. I also didn't go to J school. Just list masters degree. Yeah. Oh, me too. What? Uh, the humanities. Both of my degrees say the humanity. What is that? Yeah, I read a lot of books. I read a lot of books.

Really? Yeah. All right. So let me ask you a question, Michael Shane. Okay. Are you what is your what are your political leanings? Where do you go? You know, it kind of it depends on the issue. I would say socially. I'm absolutely a progressive person, but I believe in equal rights for everyone and things like that. Everyone, really? Everyone? Even Hitler? Yeah, unfortunately. Really?

But, you know, wow. Wow, you just won that argument. There you go. One for Josh. Wow. What do you think about, what do you think about Caitlin Jenner? I think it's wonderful. I think it's wonderful.

Yeah, we're getting to know him. Cool. Why not? I think it's awesome. You do. Yeah, I think it's great. That's a cool, very progressive attitude. I mean,. Cool. Why not? I think it's awesome. You do. Yeah, I think it's great. That's a cool, very progressive attitude. I mean, Annie, leave it where it is. Sean Tells the thing.

I think it's awesome. And then you said in the office, you think it's an abomination. That's good. That's what I said. And I quote. And I quote, Steve, in the office, yelling out what had happened. This is an abomination. How could God let this happen?

And then I stormed out. Yeah, you watched right now. I actually don't work it blue. What? What? Your thoughts on Killa, Jettler. I thinked out. Yeah, you watched right out. I actually don't work it blue. What are you talking about? You're a thots of Kaelin Jenner. I think it's great. I think it's incredible. And I think, I think,

I think, I think, I've been like, I did a pretty good job. No, there's a thing. In a lot of ways, the world is such a completely fucked up cesspool of pain. Wow. But there's also a lot of really wonderful things

happening these days. And you can find little pockets of hope. And you think Kaelin Jenner is one of the pockets of hope. I think it's, yeah, I think it's great. I think. That's cool. That's very cool. It's very progressive, yeah, I think it's great. I think it's interesting. Yeah, that's cool. That's very cool. It's very progressive, very open-minded.

Because a lot of people that's kind of do not know what's going on. They don't understand what's happening. You don't feel that way. They're freaked out. Neither one of you. It's scary. You're both like hardcore left wing liberal,

open-minded, New York Jews. Let's talk about Star Wars for a second. Oh, yes. Okay. Are you, are you, are you, they want to be interested in Star Wars? Yeah, you don't understand. No, I don't understand. When second. Oh, yes. Okay. Are you, are you, are you the one of you interested in Star Wars? Yeah, you don't understand. No, I don't understand.

When I was in middle school. Okay. I was in an online Star Wars club called the Emperor's Hammer. Oh, man. It still exists. I believe the website is www.empereurshammer.org. Is he supposed to buzz market like that? Yes, this is a pitch.

No, it's not. I haven't been involved in many years. Did you try to get a plug? Yeah, I did. Listen, listen. Yes, this is a pitch. No, it's not. I haven't been involved in many years. Did you try to get a plug? Yeah, I did. Listen, listen, this is time. This is time by the Embershammer.com. Check the time I was in this club. It was the largest online Star Wars club in the world.

What is it supposed to be? What does the Star Wars club do? Let me tell you. Oh, okay. Not only was I in the club, he was gonna tell you if you did this. I was like on the rank of Grand Admiral. What?

What? And I was on the board of directors. You're so my title was the reconnaissance officer Which meant I was in charge of new member outreach I feel like I'm ready. I'm kind of into Star Wars and I was literally like 13 years old What are we even talking about also Star Wars is like not that cool in my face false? No, I think it is like kind of lane no seriously by comparison to the things like star track well they'll see here's the thing i'm a progressive i love both okay but here's the but star wars is like i don't get why people make such a big deal out of it because it's dirty it's scruffy

we're not scrapping the three original movies yeah let's let's they're great movie let's be specific are they are they great like all-time and you take a look. I'm not confiding the phantom menace with the original three films. Are you sure? Yeah, I'm sure listen, you were in swaddling when I was watching the making of the original Star Wars. Okay, was that I'm flurray? Blue raiding exists. What? Laser disc. Beta max. Oh, he did. Say how was it?

Listen, I don't want to pull rank, but I was wondering. I was wondering if he says they don't want to pull rank. I don't want to pull rank. I don't want to pull rank, Chris. I was watching Star Wars when you were a gleam in your father's eye, okay? Fair. I don't have an issue. I just don't get the, I don't get the, like, excite.

I don't get why every so over the top about Star Wars. It's space opera, man. Space samurai. Space cowboys. Keep going. Keep going. I'm in space. Space things. What are space things? Space. Flamenco dancers. Really? I mean, space karate. Oh, yeah. Space ballet. Space Kung Fu. I think how the point is, I get it. It's cool like Luke and Leia and Han Solo. By the way, you know the bits of Han Solo bombshell this week?

Mm. In the Canon comic book. Do you know about this? You do. Tell us. Do you know? No, I have no idea. Apparently, they just revealed in a comic book,

which is part of the canon now, the canon of Star Wars. Cocher. That. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft.

Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Aren't you glad you invited me? I, I, I wish you were out. I, I, I have you on more. I'll bring you all come on anytime you want.

Pfft. That the can, I know you will. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna have you on way more. That, that, that, the console has been married the whole time the whole thing with Leia what You don't know but he's a philanderer. I mean I kind of We don't know the details but Han Solo apparently was married to who some woman Name I think is I want to say it's I don't want to say

Name I think is I want to say it's I don't want to say All right, you want to get a wrong? I don't Know That's a female okay, so all I'm saying is I just don't I don't get the excitement about Star Wars But I am I'm like a little bit excited about the new Star Wars, but also I don't care at all You know what I mean? Like you'll go see it. It'll probably be a fun movie You'll have a good time and then you'll forget about it. No I'll pirate it once it's available Okay, you don't want to support JJ No, I don't want to go to theaters because the experience of going to theaters is so much

worth there. No, let me tell you something about the city. You just got to know what theater to go to. No, I went to see it follows in a suburban theater. Oh, God, that sounds like the beginning of a horror movie. Well, first off, that's very good. First off, it follows not that great. I mean, really very mediocre. I'd say aggressively mediocre. But, you know, I was sitting in front of people who thought every time the movie got quiet, which is a lot, because it's a suspenseful horror film, it was their opportunity to talk.

That's because humans are afraid of silence. Is that true? Are afraid of being alone? Is there a scientific, sorry, did I, if I make a noise, is here I'm sorry. Oh, I was adjusting the microphone here. Well, it's not in the right position. I thought you broke it. I know we're getting into like tomorrow podcast inside baseball here

But last last movie I saw in theaters was ex machina. I saw it like 10 p.m. by myself It's a good Monday. Where they are right what theater to go to? The 86th Street theater. Oh, you're an uptown boy. I'm an uptown boy There are other people in the theater. There were and they were on their phones the whole damn time. What? Yeah, it blew my mind. I was like, it's one of the most visually captivating movies I've seen in a long time.

No, it's me. People just can't disconnect, man. What's a unit? What's a unit disconnect? Do you ever disconnect? What do you do? Yeah. What's your method?

You know I disconnect. I mean, you have a beautiful child now. Maybe that helps. Yeah, I do have a beautiful child. Zelda. Zelda's a pulse kid. Love that name. You neither one of you have kids, right? No, not, no. Nothing you know of. Nothing I know beautiful child, Zelda. Zelda's a pulse kid. Love that name. You neither of you have kids, right?

No, no, nothing you know of. Nothing I know. No, no. No, I'm not. You and Andrea, you think you'll have kids? And sorry, Michael is engaged. Oh man, now I'm on the spot. Michael's engaged to a beautiful and talented woman

named Andrea. She's wonderful. And anyhow, but you're gonna get married. Yes. But you're from the Gulf of kids. Someday? Yeah, I'm not putting it in time Yes. But you're from the Gulf of kids. Someday? Yeah, I'm not putting it in time, but I'm not putting it in time.

I'm not like, do the Gulf of kids in the next two months? We're not like putting money in it. Like, do you guys have you talked about, do you want to have kids? Oh, yeah, I think that's definitely in the roadmap for us at some point in the future. Steven, you're in a relationship.

No relationship. I am. You're in a, who is your, a little? Laura? Laura. That's James, my wife's name. Yeah. It's a good name. You and Laura have been dating for how long? Long time, my. You're seven,, who is your, Laura? Laura. Yeah, that's Jannos. That's my wife's name, yeah. It's a good name.

You and Laura have been dating for how long? Long time, my, seven, seven plus years. Really, yeah. We live together. We do, yeah. And as a whole, as a matter of marriage. Yeah, you know, there's been some talk. Really?

I put you on the spot right now. I mean, not really. What about kids? Yeah, there will be kids eventually. There will be kids as a confirmation. Yeah, so I know about this. Yeah, she knows. Does she? Yeah, I would hope she knows. I would I know about this. Yeah, she knows. Does she?

Yeah, I would hope she knows. I would hope so too. I would hope she knows. Okay. Anyway, I have a child. It's very bizarre. I mean, here's the weird thing about a kid. They are created from nothing, basically.

I mean, almost nothing. I mean, let's put it this way. I don't want to put you, I don't want to get things weird here, but I'm going to do, I'm just going to do it for a little bit. You've had sex several times, right? Both of you. Yes.

Right. We got with each other, but separately. Not with each other. I mean, you grow up, you grow up, you grow up, you move from masturbation, having sex, and like, you're having sex, like, you have sex with people all the time. I want to board a school, man. You meet somebody who's like a lifelong partner or a long-term partner, you have sex a lot, right? It's perfectly natural. But then once in a while, apparently, you can have sex, and then you have a child.

An actual human being just is like, created from that. you have sex a lot, right? It's perfectly natural. But then once in a while, apparently, you can have sex and then you have a child, an actual human being is created from that, which is free on purpose. Yeah, but no matter what, on purpose or not, it's just a very bizarre thing because they didn't exist. They would not have existed. It's a bit of a metaphysical bind-fuck.

There's nothing metaphysical about it. It's actually very physical. It's extremely physical. And that's the thing. And then like now, like there's a kid in my house who like grabbed something from me and runs away. Like I'm like, no, that's my cell phone. And she like, I'm like, I'm like, I made this.

Why did that happen? She's got my cell phone now. It's very strange. Anyhow, she has a beautiful child. And how do we start talking about Zelda? I'm plugging. Oh yeah, I'm plugging. Yeah, how do you unplug?

Well, I just, I take the phone, Zelda seals your phone. There's a plug in the bottom of the phone and I pull it out and that's it. I'm just gonna get it. I just started you. I'm all set. No, but actually I've been aggressively trying

to not bring work home and to not interact with any work stuff on the weekends. Yeah, I mean, I find that if I don't, if it's not work related, it's a lot easier. You can just be on the internet. Yeah, it's true. And just hang out. And the moment you open the work email, though, it's all over. Yeah, no, it's at your discretion.

It could be anything. You can just talk about like, I don't want to talk about a movie or whatever. And that's fine because it's sort of almost a leisure activity. But once you let it, let the work thing come in to your unplugging zone, tonight, maybe on description. You gotta let it go. I, Zelda has been very helpful in,

realizing when I'm, she's obsessed with phones. Zelda, when she sees a phone, she wants it bad. And it's made me realize that I'm obsessed with phones. When she sees a phone, she wants it bad. And it's made me realize that I'm obsessed with phones and that I'm always using phones. And that she really makes it clear. Because I'm just a person with a phone, I'm going like, you can't see this if you're listening

to this, but I'm scrolling on a phone. That's what I'm just doing. Just scrolling on this. I'm like a hand-moving phone. This phone is moving very intensely. That's what I'm just doing. Just scrolling. I'm like a handover. Something scrolling. My phone is moving very, very intensely. That's like nothing to you. You're a phone user. That means nothing. You do that a thousand times a day. But when Zelda sees it, who is a brand new human who just entered the earth, who's just brand new on the planet, she sees that. She's like, whoa, I gotta get into that. What is that?

Something exciting is happening. And so it makes you acutely aware of how much you're like scrolling on your phone and you put the phone away. Do Zelda's reactions, do the things that you do that you take for granted, make you think about those things differently? Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Totally.

I mean, she changed the way I think about my relationship with technology. That's beautiful. Because early on, she was obsessed with the phone. And it made me realize that Laura and I had our phones out all the time. We were looking at them all the time. And it somehow was communicated to her. I think it was obvious, like, the phone's really important. And like, oh, I want the phone.

What's going on in the phone? And so she's like really into the phone and anything that has like a screen to light. It may just be she's like a toddler and she's excited about things that light up. But beyond that, I mean, before that, it was like, she wanted to see what we were doing on this device. And so it's made me acutely aware of how much the device comes out. And like Laura will go, her, I will go into like, gets out of bed in the morning, and we won't take the phone. And that's something that a couple of years ago,

you couldn't have imagined doing, like I couldn't have imagined doing, like going out of my room without the phone, like leaving it somewhere. I mean you and I recently took a transatlantic flight with no Wi-Fi, and you didn't even get the shakes or anything. It was a nightmare though. We took that flight back from San Francisco without wifi.

Do we? Yeah. I don't remember that. Yeah, in the fall. Some of the grow bar was on. Yeah, that was the one with grow bar. Yeah, that was a weird flight. It was a weird flight.

All kinds of shit right there. I really, really like it. We landed like Jersey at like five in the morning or something. Yeah, the last flight out. Yeah, yeah. Well, we were daredevils anyhow, but yeah, no, I mean, I'm more comfortable without having the phone. Well, it's interesting, as I've gotten older

and I didn't never did this on purpose, the things that have become hobbies for me have been things that don't involve screens. And when I was younger, like what? You know, like scuba diving and kung fu. It's Ikeido, it's Japanese, not Japanese. Yeah, right, what about you?

I'm, he's like, let's rock it Japanese not. Yeah. Right. What belt are you? I'm he's like, grand chancellor. Oh, great. Chancellor. Are you are you grand chancellor? Chancellor. Uh, I haven't heard that I am yet off the check line. I really. No, my point is my belt. I want to talk about what

about are you in a suit in I Keto? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's anyway. There's really only white belts and black belts and they're different gradations. They're racist. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah. Well, anyway, there's really only white belts and black belts and they're different gradations. They're racist? I can't tell. That seems like a pipe belt.

No, it's not a racist. What about the other belt colors? No. Okay, and what's pretty binary. It's very simple. It is binary. Yeah. Binary is beautiful though.

Do you have a black belt or not? I do not have a black belt. What belt do you have? I have a white belt. Lane belt. You know what? Can I contact me when your hands are lethal weapons. I will.

Also, contact me when you want to watch lethal weapon because it's one of my favorite moments. Classic. Yeah, so good. Danny Glover and his belt. All the way through, even lethal weapon four is good. Oh, yeah. I said, which one has Chris Rock in it?

I guess lethal weapon four. Chris Rock, oh, I do. Yeah, dude. Okay, in one of the lethal weapons, it's either three or four, Chris Rock is like dating, weapon for Chris rock. Oh, I do. Yeah, dude. Okay. And one of the lethal weapons is either three or four. Chris rock is like dating. He's like the young detective. And he's dating his daughter.

Oh, right. His daughter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And she's like, I think she's, they got secretly married or she's pregnant or something. I don't think I've seen that one. That movie's so good.

Yeah. I think it's leave the weapon. Stand by. Okay. Here we go. LTE and here's a little week. Is it? Well, are we in a floating room? What? Oh yeah, Magnus says he wants us to be on airplane mode

but you've already got it loaded up. Oh, it is, it's lethal weapon for. I will now switch to airplane mode. Leave the weapon for, there you have it. Go into airplane mode. Neither one of these guys in airplane mode and by the way, it sounded pristine as far as I can tell. So I guess airplane mode is a lie.

But leave the weapon for a great film. I think, here's a question. Jet Leigh is in lethal weapon for him. Are my crazy? As a bad guy? Magnus is shrugging at us. Did you just look into it? No, here's a question for you.

He's looking into it. Lithal weapon or Beverly Hills cop. Well, they're totally different. Totally different. Why? Well, I mean, first're totally different totally different. What why? Well, I mean first off first of totally different eras for the most part Beverly Hills is Beverly Hills cop is 80s the weapon is like end of 80s moving to the 90s You see when I think I think I was born in 84 really I'm gonna put that out there upsetting to me

Believe me. It is to me to looking back my lens distorts a little bit and lethal weapon and Beverly Hills cops sort of occupy the same space for me. That's because you're so so young and you don't realize what's happened. I think somebody saying that the weapon for us that we we already know no jet lead. No I know jet leads the lethal weapon for I already said that. Okay. This is angry because I said I look it off and if you look it out there. No, they don't have airplane mode in the booth.

Anyhow, but Jet Lea is at the lethal weapon for. It's a great story, great film. It might be the last credible film that Mel Gibbs had made before he became a horrible racist. Well, I don't think he became a horrible racist. I think that's the last film he made before. He just tried to realize that he was a horrible racist. Well, I don't think he became a horrible racist. I think that's the last film he made for me. He just tried to deal with himself too much. He realized that he was a horrible racist.

No, yeah. He just revealed himself to us. Yeah, right. If you've seen Braveheart, yeah. I saw it once. Incredible. Yeah. They really mutilated him at the end of that.

Spoiler alert. You're in a business test. Oh, okay. Let's shake chop. Let's talk about water worlds. I want to say about entourage. I know that's Kevin Costum. Entourage. The film. Have you seen it? I have not seen the film. It seems like the kind of thing that no offense, I don't know what's Kevin Costan. I don't know what's Kevin Costan. I don't know what's Kevin Costan.

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Marky Mark. Marky Mark in the funky bunch. Yeah, in the funky bunch. The funky bunch is not in it. The funky bunch is not in it. Not in it. Therey mark in the funky bunch in the funky bunch the funky bunch are not in Not true. I'm not sure I'm a turtle is a character and He dies in the movie He is killed

Ow He gets run over by a car. What kind of guy? I think it's a show. Are you telling the truth? I guess it's Shelby Yeah, he is true. He gets hit He's trying to actually trying to save Vinnie Chase and he gets hit by cars What's from a car of speeding car? Oh, he like knocks him out of the way and then he gets He gets one sacrifice and the the Phil beds with a big funeral for turtle and it's very emotional I think you're trolling but I don't care because I'm not gonna see the movie

He kind of says I mean I I'm trying to spread the rumor that Turtle dies in the entourage movie, to be honest with you. I've spent a lot of time in energy, spreading the rumor that Turtle... Have you even worked in the dark web on this? Yeah, I've had, I have a new Silk Road that I started up. It's all in that turtle. Just spread this over me too.

You just sell Turtle rumors. Yeah, the only thing that happens on my news is so gross that people talk about how turtle dies in the new otter rush. It's all in tour. Exactly. Anyhow, wow, well, we've gone, but I just want to say that I think,

I haven't seen the film, but I'm pretty sure the turtle dies horribly. And I think that you should, instead of seeing it spread that rumor to as many people as possible, I just wanted out there. The chance is that somebody has seen the movie and can definitively tell you that you're wrong is pretty low. Well, I think so. I like to think so.

But anyhow, all right, so I think we should probably wrap up. Magnus, are we close to what's our time like? Josh is so anxious to get this over with. I think it's what? What? What? I don't like you sober when you're producing this. There's no cafeteria.

It's talking about the pantry. I'm gonna talk about it. Let's talk about it. So we've been asked by Paul and Magnus to talk about the quote unquote cafeteria at Bloomberg. We all work at Bloomberg. So as you may or may not know, Bloomberg has is a massive company with many bureaus

in many parts of the world, many buildings in many parts of the world. Over 150 bureaus in fact. That's right. So over 73 countries. So this guy is so tall. I have to go to sales meetings, you know. And in every bureau, I mean, as far as I know,

in every Bloomberg building that exists, they have a, and it's not a really cafeteria. It's like a pantry. It's like a snack area. Now let's talk about the snack station in New York. 731 Lexington. 731 Lexington is where you can find it. On the sixth floor.

But you can't get in without a batch. That somebody makes for you in advance. Right, because the snacks are high. You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave. And why would you want to leave when they've got so many delicious beverages and snack items you can munch on?

For instance, they have these. They have, what is the chocolate thing that we like? Oh, the skinny cow. The skinny cow. He's way for thing that we like? Oh, the skinny cow. The skinny cow. The way for chocolate things. The skinny cow way for the first ingredient is sugar. Oh, but like, they're like calories. You know, you know, you know a Twix bar?

Yeah. Like a Twix bar. No, it's not like a Twix bar. Twix bar is the only candy bar with a cookie crunch. The candy is a crunch. It has a crunch. But it's not a cookie crunch, it's a wafer crunch. It's like, it's like Twix.

It's like Twigs on a diet. Listen, now what I'm doing, I tell you how I know that I work for a multi-billion dollar multinational company. Go on. In the pantry, there is both Coke and Pepsi. That's true. It's a stirrup, too.

Bloomberg, the company didn't have to sign a deal with one of them in order to get a discount. They were like, we'll get both. Thank you. And they have tiny cups. Now they have candy, I don't know about that. No, the cups are, we'll get both. Yeah. Thank you. Tiny cups. Tiny cups. They have candy. I don't know about that.

No, the cups are, we have soda, but the cups are a sensible size. But you can get it as many as you want. Right. Look, there's always a way around the system. Right. I mean, I guess if that's how you want to put it, no system is invulnerable. Well, I think it's snacks. Snack hacks.

Snack hacks. I wouldn't say that far. I think you just coined that term for this podcast. It is. They call it a term. Snackaxe. Snackaxe. I wouldn't say that far. I think you just coined that term for this podcast. It did. Snackaxe. But you've got all variety of nuts. Chocolate covered nuts. Almonds.

Yeah. Chocolate covered almonds. Nutder butters. Nutder butters. You know, there's both. No more kind bars. We did a TV segment about how they're not healthy anymore and they disappeared.

No, really? No, it's not. There's a rotation. There's not the traditional sort of tight rectangular ones that are like a candy bar shape. They have these other fliers. I'm sorry. I really feel bad for people who have to listen to this. I have to say, this is one of the worst topics. We're talking about our snacks. No, it's very, very bad. As far as podcast topics go, I'm enjoying it because I- If you're enjoying it then that's what counts.

No, I don't think that is. I think, I mean, I'll go go in there tomorrow and I'm gonna pick up some of these hot snacks you're described I love is the fig newtons, but like they're it's like the organic What do you love? You do this to every league. They have like healthy healthy fig newtons. Yeah, I mean I'm sure they're slowly killing me, but they're they could be worse They should call them well, they're fig not right but there's like ones that are other flavor Yeah, but the other flavors are ridiculous. Don't touch those. Like why? Like, you know, lemon, it's weird. You just get the fig ones, that's it.

Lemon newtons. Yeah, but it's like lemon mixed with fig. It's like a hint of lemon on the new. It's yeah, it is awful. You just get the fig. That's it, keep it simple. So anyhow, Apple Watch failure or success? I think eventually a success.

I think right now it's too early. It's too early. I don't wanna call it a failure. It's not a success. I think right now it's too early. It's too early. I don't want to call it a failure. It's not a failure. I like the one I've been wearing. You're not wearing it right now. I'm not wearing it right now. Why not?

Because the dude owns a Rolex. Boom. Right there. Look, I don't think it's a double. Who does it own a Rolex at Bloomberg? Honestly, I've seen more Rolexes in a single room. That's true. At Bloomberg that any other place have ever been in my entire life.

I have noticed there are some people who rotate through Rolexes. Really? No, that's interesting. I'm not quite on that level. I actually don't have a Rolex. Me neither. I mean, I'm waiting for the right Rolex. Yeah.

Why rush? I was actually going to buy, let me talk about this a little bit for the watch nerds out there. I was going to buy and explore an original Rolex Explorer at 1016, actually. You know what I'm talking about, if you know. But it's very small. It's a very small watch.

And when I looked at it, I mean, what is it like 30? 36 million. 36 million. That's 36 and so much. That's like honestly, these days, that's basically a lady's watch. And I actually have dainty wrists. I wouldn't call them dainty.

Well, they're skinny. They're meatier than mine. Slim. I've slim wrists. I like little. Your wrists are way thicker than mine. Really? You got meaty?

You've got like dad wrists. I do not have dad wrists. Yeah, you're like, you got a little bit of a dad on your own. How often worry about the integrity of mine? I feel like I don't have, I remember talking to people like dad, it was dad's strength, it was like between're a little bit like a dad. I often worry about the integrity of my life. I feel like I don't have like, I remember like talking to people like dad, it was dad's strength, you know, so it was like,

it's been grabs you by the arm. You're like, whoa, that's like really strongly. That hurts. You know, like, have you ever been grabbed by your dad? And you're like, he's like, stop doing that. I have him because, you know, my dad's like a chill dude, but I always, but I don't think I have that.

I think I've got, I'm still like, kind of like a, like a teenager. I have teenager strength. And he has the point is I have a d I think I'm still like kind of like a teenager. I have teenager strength. Anyhow, the point is I have dainty wrists and a 36 millimeter might work, but it seems very small to me. It's small. It'll work if you're cool with that.

So I actually bought this tutor, I bought this tutor, what is this heritage Ranger? I'm not wearing it now, but you've seen it. Because it's like an explorer, but bigger. Right. In many ways. And the original Ranger Tudor's version of the explorer you

got them right yeah yeah this is what watchdard stuff for me the last thing we talk about watches no let's end on something not beaten positive what's the greatest dream you've ever had I went to space in a dream yeah what you do in space I don't know I just went to space I don't remember specifically what I did, but I went to space now Sounds pretty great. It's pretty amazing. I mean although your description of it is extremely lacking. I saw the earth Okay, I mean, I it's you know what I think we've heard enough Michael How about you greatest dream you've ever had? I don't really remember any of them you can't think of anything Sometimes when I was in like middle school and early high school

I dream that finally the girl I had a crush on wanted to date me and I'd wake up and it'd be the real world We weren't gonna end on a bummer. Yeah, hold on. I'm not I didn't tell you my greatest dream. What's your greatest dream Josh? I had a great dream many years ago where I Was driving on the highway and a I was driving on the highway and a nuclear war broke out. And I got out of my... I stopped the car because all the traffic had stopped because often the distance, there were nuclear explosions. Mushroom clouds?

The city of the city was being leveled and I ran into the hills, into the forest. As the city and the man-made things were being destroyed by nuclear conflagration. And it was terrifying and upsetting and horrible. But I remember there was a moment, you know, where I was in the trees in the forest, and I felt finally at peace and finally at home, away from the things that man had created, which were being destroyed by war. Right before the radiation poisoning kicked off.

And then a wave, a wave of hot fire, a wave of hot fire washed over me. I became a skeleton and I woked up. Well, I woke up rather. Sorry, not woke up. That's what I think. A wave of hot fire hit me and I woke up. And I realized, you know, life is really about living in the moment. Wow. That's deep. And I think that's where we should end the podcast. I cannot all this feeling. I kind of want to keep going. Stephen and Michael, thank you for joining

me on tomorrow. I really have enjoyed it. I get to say, it's been one of the most special podcasts I've ever done. That's our show for the week. I'll be back next week, of course, with more of tomorrow. I assume it's a wave of fire hits me. And until then, I wish you and your family the very best, although what's coming for you and your family is very worse. And it's going to be, it's going to be awful.

And I'm so sorry. you