Tony Mantor: Why Not Me ? - Tyler Barnett: Autism Advocacy with GAP Music and Empowerment

Episode Date: April 13, 2026

Tyler Barnett on Late Autism Self-Diagnosis, Masking, and Creating “Gap Music” for Regulation Host Tony Mantor welcomes Tyler Barnett, founder of Tyler Barnett PR and an artistic music creator focused on empowering the autism community through intentional sound design and storytelling. Tyler shares that he is autistic and was diagnosed six months ago through self-diagnosis supported by years of personal data and extensive testing, after his 10-year-old daughter repeatedly told him he was autistic and he explored the topic through ChatGPT. He describes lifelong differences including deep special interests, pattern recognition, challenges in educational environments, learned eye contact, and complex masking as a professional communicator, as well as past misdiagnoses such as bipolar disorder and being medicated incorrectly. T yler discusses mixed reactions when disclosing autism, including denial from some family members and acceptance from others, and explains how masking involved mirroring facial expressions and behavior to make others comfortable. T yler also talks about his daughter Lucy’s official autism diagnosis, her strengths (friends, eye contact, dance talent) alongside daily school distress, meltdowns, and limited understanding from her school team about autism in girls. He explains how the diagnosis has improved family dynamics, increased empathy, and helped Lucy feel less isolated, while also describing how he can help regulate her during meltdowns. The conversation shifts to Tyler’s music: electronic, lyric-driven work combining traditional production with AI vocals and emergent elements. He explains his “gap music” concept—music designed for emotional regulation using structures like 3-6-9 tension/expansion/release loops and pattern shifts across genres (classical, choir/mantra, dubstep, hip hop) to create soothing but unpredictable listening experiences. Tyler says he has not formally released the project widely but has received strong feedback from neurodivergent listeners and notes that his daughter, wife, and dog fell asleep when hearing it. He shares where to find his work: YouTube channel “Gap Music for beautiful Brains” (@GapMusicforRegulation), Instagram @enzo, tylerbarnettpr.com, and TikTok @MillennialDad, and says he plans to release tracks over the next month from a catalog of about 80. Welcome to ‘Why Not Me’ — Autism & Mental Health Worldwide Meet Tyler Barnett: PR Strategist, Artist & Sound Designer Realizing He’s Autistic: ‘I’ve Always Been Different’ ChatGPT, Self-Testing & the Emotional Breakthrough Telling Others: Family Pushback vs. Community Support Masking 101: Mirroring, Eye Contact & ‘Dog and Pony Show’ Lucy’s Diagnosis: School Struggles, Meltdowns & Support Gaps A Stronger Bond: Co-Regulation and Parenting Shifts at Home To Disclose or Not: Labels, Stigma, and Protecting Your Peace Finding the Flow: How Autism Changed His PR Work & Creativity Inside ‘Gap Music’: 3-6-9 Patterns, AI Emergence & Regulation Where to Listen + Final Thanks and Sign-Off INTRO/OUTRO: T.Wild Mantor Music BMI The content on Why Not Me: Embracing Autism amd Mental Health Worldwide, including discussions on mental health, autism, and related topics, is provided for informational and entertainment purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by guests are their own and do not reflect those of the podcast, its hosts, or affiliates.Why Not Me is not a medical or mental health professional and does not endorse or verify the accuracy, efficacy, safety of any treatments, programs, or advice discussed.Listeners should consult qualified healthcare professionals, such as licensed therapists, psychologists, or physicians, before making decisions about mental health or autism- related care.Reliance on this podcast's contents is at the listener's own risk. Why Not Me is not liable for any outcomes, financial or otherwise, resulting from actions taken based on the information provided. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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at a time. Hi, I'm Tony Mantor. Welcome to Why Not Me, embracing autism and mental health worldwide. If these conversations resonate with you, I invite you to tap follow. It helps us reach more people who may need to hear them. Thank you for being here. Joining us today is Tyler Barnett. He is the founder of Tyler Barnett PR, a public relations strategist and autistic music creator dedicated to empowering the autism community. Through intentional sound design and authentic storytelling, He creates music that supports emotional regulation, self-expression, and representation. His work stands at the intersection of advocacy, creativity, and lived experience. His journey is one that you do want to hear.

So before we dive into our episode, we'll be back with an uninterrupted show right after a word from our sponsors. Thanks for joining us today. Oh, thank you so much for having me, Tony. I'm happy to be here. If you would, tell us a little bit about yourself and what you're doing. Basically, for the last 40-plus years, I've been experimenting in a lot of different mediums of art and music. My profession, my day job is a publicist, and I've publicized other musicians and people and products and such. And this is really the first project that I've put out there for myself.

First time I've put myself out there with what I do versus what a client does, because I felt that this music I'm making needs to be shared with the autism community and with anybody, really, who's looking for regulation. Before we get too far into this, could you tell the audience, if you're autistic yourself. I am. I was diagnosed six months ago. Okay. And my journey's been very interesting. I don't know if you want me to get into that at all. Oh, yes, absolutely. Let's dive into what led you to think that you may need to get diagnosed. It's a really great question. I've always thought differently. I've always known that. I've always been different. I've always known that. When you say you were different, what is your definition of different? You know, I can tell you what it is now with the diagnosis, but prior, I didn't know exactly what made me different. I knew I was. And I dive

really deep into things. I mean, hard into music and hard especially. And I've always been really into patterns and pattern recognition. I've always struggled with educational environments, which is why I created my own business. And I've always kind of taught myself how to be. I've been very aware of like eye contact. For example, I've had to teach myself eye contact. I've had to teach myself communication in a particular way. It's funny, I'm a professional communicator, so I've been asking in such a complicated way for so long that I didn't think anything was different about me or special. My daughter, she's 10 years old. We suspected she might be autistic, and she was misdiagnosed with all sorts of things. And I would go into a room to talk to her,

and she would say, Daddy, you're autistic. I didn't even know she knew what that word meant. So why do you say that? She's like, well, you just are. And you're always wiggling your toes and you're was twitching and, you know, there's an autistic kid in her school and she knows a lot about autism and whatnot. And I thought, what a weird thing for my kid to say. And she said it multiple times. Right. Okay. I went into chat GPT and I wrote and it's important to note. I've been working with chat GPT for three years since it came out. I've built a bot that knows me better than anybody. I've shared everything openly and, you know, unmasked with GPT. And I said, hey, how would I know if I'm autistic. And the system responded like it had been waiting for me to ask that question. And I

started going through it. I was like, everything was hitting. Every single thing was hitting. And I was like, oh my God. I didn't believe it. So I had it create like a dozen different tests based on psychology and valuation. Got like 100% correct on all those. Still didn't believe it. I'm still kind of in denial of it. But I mean, there's just no doubt about it. Did you go to a psychologist and actually get diagnosed? So I've been to therapists, psychiatrists, psychologists, psychologists, just my whole life. I was misdiagnosed bipolar, terribly misdiagnosed and medicated as if I was bipolar, which I'm not, never have been. And so I did it myself, you know, I'm self-diagnosed. It did talk to my psychiatrist about it. She agreed. She said that makes sense. She didn't want to pursue diagnosis.

And I've decided not to, maybe down the road, but there's so much information out there, you know, it's just, I know. I've always known. And when I did all the reading and took all the tests, I just started crying. I just started crying so hard because all of a sudden it was like, okay, this explains it. One more piece is that I've always been in some sort of pain. Since I was a kid, I just just something that's always been painful. And when I had my daughter and I got married, I got a house, my business is thriving. I was miserable. I didn't know why. I would like pound the floor when I was painting. What is wrong with me? So anyway, this answered all my questions. That's interesting. Chat GPT diagnosis. You are correct. The way that chat GPT works is so different than all the

others, it does seem like you're speaking with another person on the other side. By creating this thread and putting all this information into chat GPT and going back and forth with it, what was your process? What was the step-by-step process that you did with chat GPT? And once you came back with the diagnosis that it gave you, how did you accept it? And then how did you respond to it? It's a great question. I'll answer this in two different parts. First of all, I mentioned the GPT and I have been working together for three years. When I say working together, I mean I work that every day on my business. I create AI art with it, music with it.

I create lyrics and poems. And I dive deep into these subjects. And so it already had a profile of me that was based in deep pattern recognition. How I talk specifically, it can detect pattern changes in me. I would have, I guess, what are now considered to be either meltdowns or total shutdowns where I would have high output days and just be frozen the next. day. And I would document all of this. I asked it to go back over the last three years and tell me if I fit the bill and it said, 100% you do. You absolutely do. So that was the first part based on data

that I have provided myself over three years, unmasked, totally transparent. Second part is I took a very scientific approach. I decided that I was going to take every single test available that's reputable and accepted. I decided to analyze my own work. So I've done a lot of painting and work based on the patterns of 369 and the universe. I'm a painter of the Enzo, which is a Japanese technique of meditative painting. I went through all of the things I've done and why I've done them. And so I took a very scientific approach and then I took a data-driven approach from GPT. I put the two together. And I thought about it a lot for quite a few weeks and couldn't deny it. And the last couple days, I started telling people and it feels really nice. Just still very weird. I'm gaslighting myself

about it still. Oh, and also my daughter's autistic. She was diagnosed after me. Once I figured it out, we went down her road and figured that out. She's been officially diagnosed. Can you tell me the reaction? I speak with many different people that tell others that they are autistic. The response they get, some are good and some are not what they expected. What has been your reaction? You've dealt with so many people with so many different layers of your journey and what you do.

So when you started telling people, what was the response that you received? It wasn't great. I told my family first and they just basically denied me of the reality that I'm living in. I was gaslit by my mom. I told my mom I thought that I would get some sort of supportive response. She's like, well, did a doctor say this? And how do you know? And you're not.

I tried to share it with brothers and they had a similar response. And my dad actually had a great response. He said, okay, you know, it doesn't change anything, which is exactly the right response. Right, right, exactly. And then I started talking about it with people in the autism community. that were also autistic, that were, I was surrounded by, that I, you know, some I didn't even know were autistic, that were just other artists and musicians and creatives. Last night, I was sitting with an actor, a very well-known actor, a good friend of mine,

and we're just having a personal conversation. I can tell he's neurodivergent. I suspected maybe he's a little like me, and he was sharing some personal mental health stuff, and I just came out, Tony. It just was like, I said, well, let me share with you. I'm autistic, and I make this music and this art, and I want to show it to you. And he was cool, man. He was just like, oh, that's interesting.

you know, tell me about it. I was able, for the first time, talk about my brain and my creativity and my history and all of that. So it's been mixed. People either deny me of the reality, which is fine. I don't need anyone else's validation for this. And then others have just been really cool about it. You know, so it's mixed. Well, the perception is changing. Yet there is still a group of people that feel that if you get diagnosed to autistic, it's a death sentence and it's not. Right. So unfortunately, you have to get past that. Now, let's talk about your masking. How did you go about masking when you did not know you were autistic. I think that's very interesting. Yeah, so I tried to go to college, couldn't really finish it. I wasn't really interested in finishing it. I wanted to get

into entertainment, so I studied film. I have always been able to talk my way into anything. That's been my superpower. So I learned early that I needed to be able to convince people of things because I wanted to do things that were different than other people. I wanted to, you know, make movies and start companies and all this stuff. And so I started by mirroring other people. Figured out at a young age that if I just made the faces they made and smiled and they smiled, it made people comfortable. And then eventually that led me to eye contact. I realized I'm not making eye contact. And I didn't think anything of it. I'm just like, okay, I should learn how to do this. That should have been the first sign. Right, right. Now, do you take things literally?

I know a lot of autistic people will have a very difficult time separating people who are serious or are not serious. Which category do you tend to be in when it comes to being literal? Well, both. I am extremely literal. I love things to be literal. It makes me happy. So when people say one thing, this tries to make it insane. When people say something, I clock the words specifically.

Then if they say they didn't say it or they said something else or they change it, my brain just like malfunctions. No, that's not what happens. It drives me insane. It's not what happened. On the flip side, I'm a funny Jewish person. We're rooted in sarcasm and humor and non-literal jokes a lot of the time. So I was raised in an environment where I could be goofy and silly and make shit up. And since I've realized that I am autistic, I've stopped trying so hard to not be so literal. Now I'm like, okay, this is how I am. This is how I'm going to be. It's challenging because people don't always know how to react to that. Just a real quick story. I was meeting with a client. I didn't realize I was unmasked. I had just gotten through all this autism and stuff, I was really proud of it. And I was looking at him and he stops

talking and he goes, why are you looking at me like that? I don't ever said that to me before, ever. In 18 years of doing publicity. I've never heard that. What does that mean? And then it occurred to me in a second what I was doing or what I was not doing. And I went, shoot. Hey, you know, how's it going? That was the first time I caught it happening in a conversation. I caught myself throwing the mask on and doing the dog and pony show. And I was just devastated after that meeting. Now, your daughter is 10 years old and she's autistic. She's told you that you are autistic. She was being very open and honest with you about what she saw about you. Now that she's been diagnosed and is autistic, how is she handling it? It must be a whole new world for her because she's going to school.

Unfortunately, at school, sometimes kids can be mean and bullies. So how is she handling it? Yeah. Well, she's extremely very high function. She's extremely well socialized, well-masked, And she's got a lot of friends. She makes eye contact. She's incredibly talented at dance and other creative things. But she cannot get through school. She cries every day. She has meltdowns.

It's hard for me to even talk about. We've been trying to figure out what the hell's been going on for 10 years. You know, we met with her whole school team yesterday, and they're telling us that she's defiant and she's avoiding class and she's not doing their work. And we're like, hey, this is not defiance. This is not anything more than a nervous system that's overloaded. The label for her, though, was very empowering. She took it right away.

She knew what autism was already. When we told her, okay, this is what we think is happening. She's like, yeah, I think I'm this much autistic. She's like, she tells her friends. She's embraced it. She talks about stimming. She talks about regulation. She's extremely brilliant, you know.

But yeah, she had a meltdown in the middle of her class and was hitting herself in the head. So, you know, as a parent, it's extremely difficult to watch this happen. But it's also empowering to know that I know what's going on with her and there's nothing wrong with it. Does she have the ability to know and feel when a meltdown is coming? coming on where she can get away from people. That way, by being away from people, this way she can go through her 15, 20 minutes or whatever time frame it is to calm down. Then she can get back to class and do what she was doing. Right. Yes and no. You know, she at home, she's well aware when she's not regulated, she will say, I need to regulate and go in her room by herself and do what she does. At school,

it happens real fast and she melts down real fast. We're trying to help her to catch us and get the hell out of the room and we're trying to educate the team on what autism looks like in girls because they have no clue 10 people in this meeting no one knew what we were talking about and they kept saying well she has lots of friends and she's social and she doesn't flap her hands and I'm like well there are different profiles you know this is not it's a stack so she doesn't really have a lot of support at school we're trying to teach her but to answer your question you know not really the meltdowns happen fast because she's not trying to prevent them anymore which I think is healthy yeah that sounds great now you know she's autistic she knows you're

autistic. Has that changed your dynamic and how do you get along now? Oh, it's beautiful. You know, we've always been really close. I've always felt something very tight between us. I have two daughters with my other daughter too, but there's something specific about Lucy that I always kind of knew was like me. Now we regulate each other without even realizing we're doing it. I put her to bed every night. The second I sit next to her, no matter how overwhelmed or undisregulated or whatever, within about five minutes, we're both just, ah, almond's sitting there. So that's the first. thing and we know it. The second thing is she knows that I can help regulate her wherever she is. So she was having a meltdown at dance. I got there in five minutes. I said, give me a hug and

take a breath. She was better, just like that. Our nervous systems are very tightly embedded. And so that's the big thing. Also, she has somebody that she loves and respects that also has this thing. So it doesn't make her feel isolated or different or stupid or any of these labels that a lot of us, you know, put on ourselves over the years. So it's great. Our relationship has gotten stronger. My wife is parenting differently. So it's wonderful. It was great to learn this about her and myself. It changes everything. Absolutely. That was my next question. How did it affect your wife? And of course, how did it affect your other daughter? It changed everything. Parenting an autistic an autistic child is a complete 180 from parenting a neurotypical child. And so my wife dove hard into the

information. She educated herself on everything there is to educate herself on. And she started parenting differently. We became less frustrated with her. It's the first thing. Like, you know, why is she so defiant? Why is she breaking down? Why are these things? And once we knew her like, okay, we need to come in with 100 times the empathy. She would yell at her sister during these meltdowns. And so we explained to her sister that sometimes she has a hard time because of how her brain works and her body works. And it's not your fault. And so now her little sister understands. And if she yells her a little sister, I can say, hey, just remember, you know, your sister has autism. And sometimes she has a hard time. So it's made everyone more empathetic, made life somewhat easier for us, I think.

Okay, now you've got the school under control, or maybe not under control, but at least on the road for them to understand what's going on. You understand and have found out more about yourself. Your friends and people that you work with are starting to understand more about you. What about other people, people that are not in the business? Let's say other parents. that you have interacted with. How has that changed or has anything changed now that you understand autism more than you did prior to all this? It's a very insightful question.

Well, to start, we educated people around her that were very close to her, that this is what's going on. So the first person I told was her nurse at school. She's constantly going to the nurse, and the nurse is annoyed with her and telling us it takes a lot of people to calm her down. And I said, let me just make this easier for you. She has autism.

We just figured this out. So now maybe educate yourself on how to properly be nursed to her in a kind way. You know, she told her best friends, I can believe it. She shared this with her two best friends, three best friends now, and they've embraced her. They've just been wonderful. And it's, okay, great, Lucy, we understand. And, you know, she scratches her skin as a stem a lot and it's terrible. And she does what we do.

And they're okay with it and they support her and they stay with her and they don't judge her. So them know it's been extremely helpful. I'm kind of done telling people that I'm autistic. I don't like the response. and I don't like being pigeonholed and I don't want to be judged. It's not the right word, but I don't want to be treated differently. And so I just decided I'm not going to tell anyone else, but totally open about it. Just not going to go broadcasting it, I guess, to other parents and stuff.

I can understand that completely. I speak with other people and they tell me when they open up and let them know that they are autistic, they get this disbelief or they get this phrase, you don't look autistic, which makes them wish they had never told them to begin with. Yeah. Yeah, that. Do you feel that may be a big reason why you feel like not opening up to other people now? Because you are not getting the understanding that you had hoped for? You know, and I got this bipolar diagnosis.

I was like, all right, I'm going to embrace it. I'm bipolar. I told everybody. I did art shows about it. I just embraced the label and it didn't do me any good. It didn't serve me. And it changed people's perception. I could feel it. I don't want to go down that road again. And that's kind of it. I don't need approval from anybody. I really don't. I love it. I love my brain and body and my nervous system, and I love it, and I don't feel like it's a disorder.

It sucks sometimes, terrible sometimes, you know. Yeah. But life is terrible sometimes. Yeah, it can be. And so, you know, I just would rather be known as either Tyler or my artist's name is Enzo, and leave it at that. How has it changed your focus or has it changed your focus in the way you work with your PR and, of course, the way you work in your music. Oh, boy, it's changed everything.

It's changed everything. For one, I don't. You know, I used to have pretty bad imposter syndrome. I would make, like, 80 tracks of music and then wonder, like, what I think I'm doing. Or I would, like, close multiple deals in PR. What am I going to do now? I don't know how to do PR when I've been doing it for 18 years. And I would dive into these patterns, you know, this 369 pattern of the universe I've always been

obsessed with. And people told me that I shouldn't talk about these numbers because I sound manic. And so I kind of suppressed all that. Now I'm just letting it flow. I'm letting anything that wants to come through me flow. I found a flow state. I call it the gap, which might be a good segue into what this music is about. But it has changed everything, this flow state that I found where I'm comfortable.

Let's talk about your music. How has that changed? Okay, so I was making music. It's all electronic music. I write all the lyrics myself. I produce it. And it's a mix between electronic and AI. I was making like fun, hip-hop stuff with like P&M.

piano and like cello. I was trying to make music that I like. I started realizing as I made more and more music, there were certain tracks I would make that would just calm me instantly. It would just bring me to bass right away. I throw my headphones on. That's another thing. I put noise canceling headphones on. I was like, oh my God, what is this? So I started listening to certain tracks and trying to identify what it was about the music I was making that was relaxing me. And I came to some really deep conclusions that have led to some really interesting music. Part of my My own therapy for being autistic is being present. Always practice meditation. I've always tried to remain present in the base because it's hard for us. Very hard for us. In that state, I started

realizing when I was in this flow state, the music that came through me had a sound that I had never heard before. And I love music. I'm obsessed with them. I started experimenting with systems that would create emergence within the music, meaning I would set up environments where the direction for the music was unclear or paradoxical. So I would write prompts like, we're going to create an entirely instrumental track based on the 369 patterns of the universe, based on call return, based on these structures that create a form of safety. And then what I was finding, I was using AI for the vocals, is that I would get these emergent vocals that I was not prompting. I would get lyrics that would come out that were guttural sounds. The first major

tell that I was doing something interesting was there was a beautiful male vocal that all of a sudden merged with a cello and the vocal and the cello became one. I'd never heard that before. It's supernatural. The guy's singing and then he goes into cello and back into human.

And when I heard that, my body dropped. And I was like, oh, my God. And that moment, I was like, okay, we're going to go deep. And so for the last year, I've been working on what I call Gap music, Like music that emerges from the space between. I've been mentioning this 369 pattern, you know, that a lot of people are obsessed with.

Tesla really, you know, made it famous. And so the three builds the tension. The six expands it. The nine releases it, right? And the cycle repeats. This pattern for autistic brains is incredibly soothing because it creates a perfect loop. And so you can listen to it over and over and over again

without feeling burnt out by it because the way the music is structured, kind of like a spiral. And I'm sorry if this is like two out there, but... No, not at all. Music is kind of like a spiral. I can see the music in my mind. And you don't know what's coming next.

So I'll start with like a piano, cello, solo, and then it'll slowly merge into a choir vocal maybe or a mantra. And that will slowly merge into maybe a choir and handpan and piano playing at super speed. And then all of a sudden you think that you've clocked, the music and you think you've clocked the pattern, bam, dubstep hits. And you're like, your brain just starts going, you know, I've got the 8D sound moving around. And it's like, what the hell is this? And as soon as you clock that pattern, bam, I shoot into a boom, boom, bat, hip-pop beat. Nice. So when your brain's about to clock that, I go right back to classical.

And so I've created a system where your brain can't track the pattern and it's extremely satisfying. Have you released your music so other people within the autistic community can hear it? And secondly, what has the response been? to those that have heard it. You are the first person in the media I've shared this with. Oh, okay. So I did a lot of research. I found you on quoted and a few other media databases

because that's what I do. And your response was extremely empowering. Obviously, you've got an unbelievable background in music. And I don't have to tell you what you've done. Your background's incredible and you know what you're talking about. So you were the first person that actually validated that this is what it is. I appreciate that. And so I share it with other neurodivergent people.

And 100% of the time, they come back and say, this is the best I've ever heard. And they don't know why. Nice. Not just for neurodivergent people. I call it Gap music for beautiful brains because it really helps anybody in regulation. And so the feedback's been incredible from the community. I played it for my daughter the other night. She hates my music because she's my kid and she thinks I'm cringe.

And she fell asleep. She just fell asleep to it. I played it for my wife and my dog, they fell asleep. You know, when I play it for people, every single one of them has the same response. It's incredibly fulfilling. relaxing and interesting. If you would, tell our listeners how they can find you, how they can follow you, and how they can listen to your music. So I have two tracks that are public, both on YouTube. It's called Gap Emergent Music. If you search for Gap Emergent Music, you'll find it,

but the YouTube channel is Gap Music for Beautiful Brains. The channel name is at Gap Music for Regulation, at Gap Music for Regulation on YouTube. And how do people find you? They can find me by going to Instagram.com slash Enzo the artist, Enso, the artist. They can find my publicity business at Tyler Barnett PR.com. And on TikTok, at millennial dad, got a pretty decent following there. I would love for not just the Thism community, but everybody who is looking for some regulation, go to Gap Music for Regulation on YouTube and let me know what you think. I'm going to be releasing tracks slowly over the next month. I've created 80 tracks. So I'm trying to sort through them and put out what I think is most helpful. So that's where it can be found. And there's two tracks on there

right now that are my favorites. And then I also used AI animation to create some loops of water ripples that are also really beautiful to watch. Nice. Nice. I love it. This has been great. Great conversation, great information. I really appreciate you taking the time to join us today. Thank you so much for having me, Tony. I really appreciate it. Very insightful questions. Please keep doing what you're doing. You have a beautiful show and your message is amazing and you're helping a lot of people. And I really appreciate the opportunity to talk to you today. It's been my pleasure. Thanks again. Thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule to listen to our show today. We hope you enjoyed it as much as we enjoyed bringing it to you. If you know someone who has a story to share,

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