Too Scary; Didn't Watch - 28 YEARS LATER: THE BONE TEMPLE with Dan Lippert

Episode Date: February 4, 2026

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This is a headgum podcast. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy. And you're listening to Too Scary Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those Too Scared to Watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I am Too Scared to Watch Scary Movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy and I love watching scary movies and so I watch them so that you don't have to.

And we have another entry into movies that let us. left me floating for days. I can't wait. It's been a moment. To talk about it. It's been a moment. She was just saying, when is a movie going to make me float? And here we are. Oh, it's absolutely spectacular. But we're not going to talk about that just yet. But if you want to get straight to it, there are timestamps in the show notes. Because first, I have to ask my beautiful co-hosts, did anything scary happen to you guys this week? I have a real quick thing, which I almost texted you guys about and then didn't. So I could tell you on the podcast, which I literally never remember to do. So I'm proud of myself for remembering to do that. But a few nights ago, we put May and Silas to bed. It had been like long day, finally put them to bed, literally like left the room, went downstairs, started clean up the kitchen. It's like 8.30 at night.

And the fire alarm goes off. No. All, like so blaring, blaring, loud, lights flashing. We live in a historic home that's like, I don't know, on the preservation committee. I don't know what you call it. So this is like an extra, really bad. Right. And so when the fire alarm goes off, the fire department comes no matter what, no matter what the fire department comes.

So we had to go upstairs and obviously Silas is awake and like a little freaked out. But I'm like, it's going to be so fun. Well, first of all, I was like, is there a fire? Yeah. Like that was my first thought. It was like, oh, my God, is there a fire? Yeah, yeah, good. You want to cross that off the list for sure.

Yeah, yeah. And that was actually really freaking me out because I did kind of smell something coming from our neighbor's apartment. So I was like, is there like an actual fire that we need to like get Silas and may like bring them outside right now? It's negative five degrees outside. It's fucking cold here right now. But long story, we like texted with our neighbors and they said that they had just set off the smoke alarm. Cooking some food. Cooking steak.

I used to do it all the time. This is exactly how Tim did it like a year ago. He did the exact same thing. But anyway, so we go upstairs to get Silas. Silas is like excited but scared. and we go outside to like watch the fire department come. May is completely asleep. Even with like the fire alarm blasting, the lights flashing,

she is out. And Tim literally goes, May, May, may, do you want to get up or you want to keep sleeping? And she's like, quib, quib, like, leave me alone in my crib. So we have the monitor on her. We're making sure she's okay. We're outside waiting for the fire people to come. they come. First of all, firemen, are they giants? Are they, they have, their gear makes them taller. Their gear makes them taller. Truly though, are they wearing 10-inch heels under their boots?

So the boots are big and tall, and the helmets are tall, Henley. They are ginormous. They're ginormous human beings. They come into, like, Silas is in awe, like mouth on the ground, you know, jaw, totally open. Yeah, yeah. And they have to. to check the premises. Somebody left a baby upstairs. And then they have to go into Salas and May's room. And May is just, May just sleeps through the whole thing. While these giant men in huge tactical gear, she's like, she's like out, out completely asleep.

I was so impressed. I mean, damn. But anyway, yes, that was our exciting, that was our exciting event as we had the apartment come to our house at night. And I was honestly thrilled. I thought it was so much fun. I was like, wow. It's great to see, you know? Anyway, and also just very impressed with May. That was their big event. She takes after one of her godmothers just sleep, sleeps through anything. Famie, can you sleep through anything? I do, unless kind of like when Tim whispered in her ear, there's like certain things that I'll wake up to that are very quiet. Like if one of my cats meows in

the other room, I'll wake up and be like, are they okay? But yeah, I couldn't sleep through quite a lot. Wow. That also reminded me, it just made me laugh that I used to, in my old apartment, when I would be cooking something poorly and it was producing a lot of smoke, it would float up into my upstairs neighbor's house and set off his fire alarm instead of mine. And so I would just hear the fire alarm going off up there and him going, what the fuck? Like, you're like, that was me. I know our neighbors felt really, they felt really bad. But I was like, honestly, this is making Silas's night.

It did take a long time. It did take a while for him to go back to sleep. Sure, all the adrenaline. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What about you guys? How was your week?

I mean, I guess the scary thing that happened to me this week is I discovered some new music that I'm going to recommend. Wow. Emily, who are you? I don't know. Crazy. I don't know. I don't know.

And to be fair, Discovered is really giving me a lot of credit. My favorite bartender is a musician, and I've known this for a little while, but I don't care for music, so I've never looked into it. But we saw her on Thursday night, and one of her songs just got placed

in an upcoming TV show. We were talking about that. She's really excited. And I was like, you know, now that it's been validated, I'll listen to her music. But because I'm also, you know, I'm like feeling things again. I'm interested in movies. Maybe I'm interested in music. It's a whole new world for me.

So I listen to it and I love it. And it's so good. And I am a big fan. What's her name? Drop the Teets. Her name is Penny O'Brien. She is Irish. So wow, wow, wow.

The band is O'Grath. One word. Oh, Greta. And it's just like, my favorite song is Shirts and Hopes. And it's like, she just says one album out, it's shorty little and a couple like singles,

but it's like 30 minutes, easy listen. It's like, it really, actually, Henley, I really want you to listen to it and tell me what it reminds you of

because it's really like pinging something nostalgic. I mean, but I can't with my finger on it because I don't know enough music. But I'm going to listen after this. I'm so excited. It's that kind of voice that's like, oh,

it just, it's like, powerful but easy you know powerful but easy right like you're so confident like it just comes out of her it just comes out of her people with voices like that they're not even trying no strain it's like it's like moody in your feels music but also you're like dancing around your room it's like that the thing you kind of just put on and like kind of just move your arms around like that's the vibe um I just really love it and I want people to listen to her music wow she's also really cool and again my favorite bartender Wait, okay, this is important.

And again, Irish. And again, Irish. Emily, first of all, this is the coolest way to find you music. It's your favorite bartender. Like, come on. I mean, yeah, that's pretty cool. I'm also like, everybody, well, I don't, I want her to be successful, but not so successful that she's stopping.

Maybe she keeps doing it for fun for her on the side. But this is important because since we can't be on TikTok anymore. Exactly. I really need people to be. We've got to discover things in the world. People need to be bringing music to my attention directly. I don't know how else I'm going to find music. Oh, Greta, listen to it. Tell me what it reminds you of. I'm counting on you.

Okay. After this. So everything's changing, I guess. It's what's scary. Nothing stays the same. Speaking of everything changing, mine is very quick and stupid, but pillow, my trusted pillows, it's just stopped working. This happens to me like once every year or two where it's just like my sleeping situation that has worked perfectly. Yeah, yeah. Just all of a sudden doesn't work anymore.

And now I'm waking up every morning in pain. And I have to like be buying a new pillow again. And it like sends me spiraling. Like, well, I don't know what I need. I thought I knew. And now I don't know anything. And everything's all up in the air again. Literally, Sammy, last night as you were going to bed, I said to Tim, I said one day, one day I will have pillows I like.

Mark my words. It's actually completely impossible. One day. It's completely impossible. I know what pillows I don't. like, but I could not tell you what those I like. Every pillow I own I hate. I hate every single one. Emily, what's that one that you liked? Look, I'm not going to go so far as to recommend it. Yeah, don't do it. I have a coop pillow, co-op, coop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, I like it.

Do I love it? Do I think it's the pillow? The internet told me it would be. I don't know. Fuck. I don't know. But maybe it's free you. It's fucking impossible. And I'm so sorry. but if you find an answer, please tell. I just hate this endless cycle. It's awful. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to buy an industrial-grade bag of feathers and my own pillowcases. Okay.

I'm just going to start making my own pillows. What if the whole bed is just feathers? Instead of a pillow. Like a huge bean bag type of thing, but feather bag. Okay, sure. Try it. Sure. Just spitball in here.

I don't have. Like I said, everything. Yeah, what if the bed were shaped with like a little neck nook? Uh-huh. Or like when you would go to the beach and like dig a little... Just like when you would go to the beach. You would go to the towel over when you're a kid. We just watched Fantasia, the OG Fantasia.

Nice. And I don't know when the last time you guys saw that was, but Zeus... Too scary. Zeus is up there on a cloud, making a cloud look very comfortable as a bed. Yeah. Would love to get in on what... Zeus was doing in that movie. I want to get in on what Zeus is doing.

Best of luck to you. And it sucks because it's also something that, like, recommendations actually don't really matter that much because everybody's... I don't have your body, yeah. Yeah. And so there's just so many variables. And, you know, we just may never know the true answer for ourselves or for anybody else. And even if we do find it, it might change.

And that's really scary. It's a really scary thing. Awful. But it's nice to have friends. who support me through these dark times. Yeah. And how do I tie this to floating? I was going to say maybe you never need to sleep again.

Maybe I never need to lay down again. I'm just floating through the air forever. Because this week we are talking about 28 years later, the Bone Temple came out just this past month, January, 26, directed by Nia DeCosta, written by Alex Garland, starring Jack O'Connell, Alfie Williams, Chai Louis Perry, Aaron Kellerman, and Ray Fines. And we are joined again by our 28 Days Later franchise expert slash correspondent Dan Lippert. Welcome. Hi, hello and shalom and hello.

Welcome. Yes, your standard greeting. How come sometimes it's like you've never been a human before. It just happens. It just happens. How come sometimes, yeah. That's what I just said, huh? It's thematic for the movie, actually.

Nice. Yep. Hell yeah. Hey, Dan. Dan, did you feel the same way as Sammy about were you floating around the room after you saw this? There is a scene in the movie that is a float scene for sure. Yeah. Wow.

I think I tried to come in with managed expectations. but it still didn't reach maybe my secret really high expectations. Got it, got it. And yet there's a scene in this movie that's more memorable than any scene you'll see in any movie. It's so good. Okay. I know what you're talking about. I'm very eager to get into this and I have further pin in that for you, Dan,

because first we do need to know if anything scary happened to you this week. Okay, great. You know, I was remembering, I think the last time I did this was the last time my heart was going crazy and we were talking about drinking matcha. Yeah. That's right. I've come full circle. It started happening again a couple weeks ago.

I got a cold. Can't be related to anything going on in the world. I know. I feel like. Do you think it's our fault? It might be us. Hang on a second. It was like right after Emily texted me.

Every time we're a few weeks in the future. I think actually this is about me. Yeah. Can you make this? Can we make this about Emily? Can we make it about Emily? Oh, Dan, I'm so sorry. It really sucks.

I think I'm, that's not even my big scary. But it is, I don't know how I'm, we kind of talked about it. Have you guys ever had just a crazy heart heartbeat, heart palpit? I actually had it. Once recently, yes, we're just kind of out of nowhere. I've very much felt my heart beating just for a couple seconds and then it went away and it hasn't happened again. But a really unsettling feeling.

It would happen to me when I would have to speak publicly or present anything at work. I would like, I would, I mean, I would took beta blockers eventually, obviously. But before I discovered beta blockers, yeah, that feeling of your heart just being like out of control in your chest is horrible. It's like everyone's, it's nonstop when I get it. And every once in a while, it's like, well, I guess I'm dying. I guess I'm dead. I guess that's just a feeling. But the, it's like, the worst part is like, I got to go to the.

doctor. And then I got to get blood tests. And then I got to get that message that's like your test results are in. And then I got to read the message and try to Google what it all says. And then I got to like find out I'm fine and then I got to be humiliated or I got to go see another doctor. Yeah. It's like you're either fine and humiliated. Those go hand in hand. Or something is really wrong. We're just like, well, you don't want either of those things. No, I don't. There's no winning. What you want is for them to say, oh, I see her that something was happening and now you're fine. That's what I want out of every job. You're right to come crazy, but now you're actually totally fine. And you're going to live forever. Is that too much to ask?

And you're going to live forever. Well, I don't want that. But just as long as you want. You're going to live until you're ready to stop living. Yeah, the whole like, you have to see a doctor to then go get referred to go get a test to then wait on the test results to then have a follow about the, it's like, it's really, it's very tedious and discouraging. Mm-hmm. And this is a total new thought. I was going to say it like I was responding to you, Emily, and then I realized it's a total new thought.

Okay. Great. Love it. Sammy, have you ever considered sleeping on the floor? Wow. Like a dog. Like the dog you are. You know, I'll be honest that I haven't.

I haven't actually considered that. Is that something I should consider? I have back in neck pain and it's coming to that for me where it's like, okay, well, clearly none of this is working. Right. Have you slept on the floor or you're just considering it? Not on purpose. I keep thinking about getting a, like a tatami, like one of those like Japanese mats.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give it a try. Even just to lie down on the floor is a powerful feeling. Just to like lie down with your back on the floor. Like it's like, oh, this is how my body is supposed to be arranged. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Instead it's arranged like a little shrunken shrimp all the time just like curled in on itself. Like, ugh. Yeah. It's like it's the best part of yoga. It is the best part of yoga. Shavasana. It does feel correct when I, but I can't lie like that in a bed. I was going to say, yeah.

I don't, I don't, I don't, awful. But on the ground, I can do it. I don't sleep on my back. Me neither. Maybe that might get you to do it. It's still on the floor. It might get you to do it. I think we're supposed to sleep on our backs.

I mean, yeah, I think we're at the point of experimenting, trying new things. So like I said, everything's back on the table. So we're back on the floor. My back on the floor. Every now and again, I come back. around to when Joel called out to me after listening to an episode he said you guys think words are so funny

and every now and again we say a thing that we're really laughing because we've said the combination of back on the floor we found words that we found funny and it's really true we really find words very they're funny that was the type of line that on a British panel show you would get like

a round of applause hell yeah British panel show hell yeah one of those ones where it's like the audience kind of laughs but really they just appreciate it. Yes. They just,

in a very British way, they just appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you. Well done. Oh, boy. Okay.

Okay. This movie. So, Dan, are you in the camp that Joel is also in, which is you go harder for 28 years later than 20 years later

at the Bowen Temple. Oh, yeah, hard to beat. That movie set some pretty high expectations. Yeah. Dan, I remember Dan, when,

You came on, you said right at the beginning of the year, it's going to be hard to beat for a movie of the year. Did that stay true for 2025? Oh, I'd have to relook at my movies. But I think it's maybe at the top of my letterbox, my little private list that I keep for myself. Nice. Yeah, what else came out? What are the big ones from two five? You know, weapons.

One matter after another, weapons. Martin Supreme. What's that? Sinners. Sinners. Ham net. You go big hands. net guy.

Sentimental value. Semental value is really good. You know, I haven't seen a weird amount of those, but it would probably be between that and one battle after another for me. Yeah, yeah. It's Joel's top movie of 20, 25. He also liked it more than this, but he did really like this. And I'll just say, I've been saving this little nugget for this moment to let you all

know that I watched 28 years later. Wow. I watched it. This one or the last one? No, the last one. Okay. I don't know. about this one for me.

But given that it was Joel's favorite movie of the year, and I'm, again, I'll say it, you know, for the millionth time here. I'm watching movies again. And I was prepared to feel emotions and I watched it. And it's so good, you guys. 28 years later is so good. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. And it really made me feel things.

I really cried. Yeah. Oh, it was beautiful. It's great. But that makes me. It's a very emotional one. Very excited to explore the next chapter, although I don't think I want to see it with mine eyes probably.

There's some stuff that was tough even for me in this movie. And I love gore and body horror, but it goes pretty hard. But that's usually what sends me floating is that it's the adrenaline rush of just like turning it up to 11 and just being like freaking crazy. The final scene of 28 years when you do encounter the Jimmy's was like. enough for me to be like, well, I don't want to see a movie full of whatever these guys are doing. Like, these guys are really scary. They're up to no good. They're up to no good.

But I want to hear about it, and I'm pretty excited. Yeah. Well, I'll come at this controversially and say, I prefer the Bone Temple. So, not controversially, but this is nice. We'll be representing both part one. We're going to have a healthy debate. For me, that is controversial. because it's wrong, but we'll see.

Right, right, right. Uh-huh. Yeah. I see, we're staying in the mode of healthy debate, Dan. Was that not a healthy way to debate? I never made the debate team. We're not going to yuck someone else's young. Was anybody on the debate team?

I don't think there is such a thing as healthy debate. Debate. I think debate is. I think there is. I think you're an idiot for saying that. I feel like I know a lot of people who did speech and debate in high school. It's a very like theater adjacent thing. to have done. I never went anywhere where that was even an option.

My husband did not have it. Yeah. I went to the first, like the intro meeting. It was either for debate or, you know, they had like forensics, which was also a type of debate, but for some reason it was called forensics. No, I don't know about that. And the thing that turned me off is the, like, the, like, the, like, stud of the team was, like, showing off the way he debates. And the big thing they were focused on is you have to talk really fast when you debate because you have to fit all your points into, like, two minutes. Right, right, right. So, and that was the thing that they were really, like, proud of, like, so if I was going to do, do, do it over, and I was like, oh, this isn't what I thought it was at a

whole. Yeah. This is just an auctioneer, not like a person with cogent thoughts. Yeah. You're right. The rules around debate make it, like, less appealing, actually. I feel like for healthy debate, the two people involved have to love and respect each other. I think that's the thing that's missing from a lot of which you and Dan don't. Wrong. Well, at a minimum, they have to have a shared reality. And I think you guys are living in two different realities right now. That's true. Yeah, classic, classic example.

Bone Temple's the best one reality. It's not, how can we? The two can never converge. Yeah, they're too conflicting. Yeah, maybe if you sleep on the floor like the dog you are with that awful opinion you have. Like the dog you are. Oh, brother. Oh, boy. Well, let me tell you guys that Rotten Tomatoes, who could never be wrong, agrees with me.

Wow. This is the Rotten Tomatoes that has Melania at 99% right now. Well, Auditney's. You're talking about critics score. The critic score of Melania is 6%. To be fair. The audience score of Melania is 99%. It is, yeah.

Wait, does Rottenmados literally just trolls? Is it trolls that in cells who are on Rotten Tomatoes? Sorry. You're just talking about the internet. Yeah. I'm just wondering who's doing the audience score on Rotten Tomatoes? What is the demographic? Well, I think anyone can flood those reviews should they choose.

Well, I remember when Captain Marvel got flooded with reviews, they actually did add some sort of thing to have to. No, that's not true. It's that people were flooding it with negative reviews before it came out. And so now you can't review until the movie's out. But, yeah, I guess you could still probably review it if you haven't seen it. So, but. And the studios can manipulate the audience scores too. Oh, they can, those motherfuckers?

Yeah. How do they do that? I don't know bots are paying people to flood it, whatever. Yeah, that makes sense. But this movie has a 92% on Rotten Tomatoes and 80% on Metacritic and a 7.7 on IMDB. Wow. Which are pretty high scores all around. Plus, plus, yeah.

The budget was 63 million. So far, it has made 48 million, which is a bummer because it is. is part two of a proposed trilogy. And apparently the third movie has been greenlit, but there is like question about will it still happen since this movie has lost money. So everybody go see it because I really want that third movie. Yeah, yep, yeah. I need that to happen.

So get to the theater. And I don't really have any trivia about this. other than the Bone Temple set was constructed from around 5,500 skulls. That just reminded me of I think you should leave. 5,500 cheeseburgers was like quarter. Sorry. And 150,000 bones, 500 bones. And 150,000 bones, each individually cast and assembled, mounted onto a thousand vertical uprights.

Just a lot of bones and skulls in this movie. Which makes a lot of sense given its title. So real bones, real skulls. I don't think they're real. It says individually cast and assembled. Got it got it. They can't be real. How many dead animals would that need?

Are they, they're human skulls. So also how many dead human skulls, real human skulls used in this movie only? I don't think they use real human skulls. But it looks great. What a marketing ploy. They should have told everyone they used real human skulls. In the theater because they're real human skulls. 5,500 people died for this movie.

It feels like the least you can do. Okay, let's take a look at this trailer before we get into the recap. I don't think I've seen the trailer for this one. I did not see the trailer until this morning. Oh, wow. It's good. Okay. If you remember, the 28 years later trailer is incredible.

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Wow, wow, wow. Yeah, I mean, it looks so good, especially after having seen 28 years later, I definitely am like, there's parts of me that are, that would like to see this, but there's larger parts of me that would not. I don't want to see that sweet boy being a Jimmy. You see that sweet boy being a Jimmy.

He's so sweet and so dear. Oh, I just love him. I loved seeing his little face again, but I don't want to see him being a Jimmy. That's no good at all. Ooh. Yeah. These movies are so good.

They're great. They are really good. Those trailers, too, are like, wait, why isn't every trailer this good? Right. Yeah. The choice of the, like, whatever that song is in there. When it comes in, you're just like, ah, it like.

Chills. Yeah. It gives you, like, a back of your neck feeling. And like that song. It did show a lot of scenes from the movie without like actually really giving away anything that happens in the movie. I will say I'm glad I hadn't seen it before I saw the movie.

There's a couple of images that you would want to see fresh. Nice. But it does it, yeah, it does a good job of like indicating tone and vibe, which is what a trailer ought to do. Pure vibes. Yeah, though I will say, I think this movie is extremely funny. and that might not have come across. Oh, okay.

I think this is funnier than the first one. The first one's really sad. This one's pretty sad. I didn't, I don't remember really laughing at the first. I think there are moments where I laugh, but I wouldn't, I don't think I would call 28 years later. I do think this movie does not necessarily work as a standalone movie. Interesting.

Like this movie is only, I have to be tied to. I think it has to, you have to see the first one first. But that's important info That's good to know going in It also feels like it's this middle Oh the middle of a trilogy Middle of a trilogy It like should be tied to

Right The first Yeah it's a it is a risk to be like Okay we're putting out a movie We want it to make money And we are telling the whole audience You either have to watch the first one or don't come Yeah

Yeah that's true That is, yeah. And the first one didn't, didn't do as well as it should have either. Yeah. Unfortunately. It's bullshit. It's bullshit.

It's fucking bullshit. These are Alzheimer's. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, there's such a point of view, and there's such, like, artistry at work here. Like, just, like, visually and it's, yeah, I was really blown away. I mean, I know you guys really talked about it in the recap,

but in watching the, in 28 years, I was like, this is doing like really specific things so successfully in a way that I just like, you don't see very often. I will say a lot of that is, is I feel like Danny Boyle specific. And I did miss some of that in this. But I can also totally understand why Neo DeCosta chose not to like imitate Danny Boyle's style because it feels like so specific to him. But I, at the same time.

I missed it. I love Danny Boyle's weird little flourishes and, like, choices that are so aggressive. I think they work really well in a zombie apocalypse world. But. Wow. I'm excited to get into this. I'm excited to hear about whatever nasty shit Jack O'Connell's getting up to, the man, the actor, Jack O'Connell. Yeah.

He's nasty. He's disgusting. All right. Well, shall we get into it? I think we shall. So the movie starts, I think with like the, it's over black. I forget what you're seeing visually. And you're hearing like the world kind of fall apart in the first movie, essentially.

And then we open on the jimmies who we ended on the last movie, saving Spike in their cool. What would you call it? high-flying parkour wizardry. So we're in a like abandoned gym or warehouse. And the jimmies led by Sir Lord Jimmy, the Jack O'Connell Jimmy, are having a knife fight. Spike. Jimmy has seven fingers, is what he calls them, which are like his follow. and he can only have seven.

So in order to stay alive, Spike has to kill one of the fingers. Oh, God. We're all like older and bigger than him. I don't know if they say why seven. I mean, Alex Garland is like very on the nose biblical stuff. So I would imagine it's something biblical there. Yeah. Yeah.

But so he, as Emily noted, he's a very sweet boy. He's not meant for the darkness of this world and the cruelty. So he is trying his best not to fight this significantly older, like, you know, 19-year-old or early 20s-year-old Jimmy. And these jimmies are gnarly. We watch them do some crazy shit. Yeah. They're like hooting and holler and they're excited for blood as it's happening. The older Jimmy is winning the fight.

And then Spike stabs him in the. leg in the femoral artery, uh, in kind of a moment of desperation. It's like an accident though. He just like, Oh, is it an accident? Yeah. He like, he like, he like, drops the knife and then like has a moment where he gets and he just swings it into his leg.

And they're at first like laughing about it because they're like, oh my God, he bested you. Like you got stabbed by a little kid. And the guy's like annoyed and rolling his eyes. And then he pulls it out and it just starts gushing blood like so much blood. Very clear that this is an artery that it. he's not going to survive. Wow.

Oh, that makes me queasy. It's really gnarly to watch. Also, it's a crazier reminder of what a body is. It's like it's your leg. You'd think like, you know, I can live without that. But there's spots in your body where it's like, oh, well, no, sorry, you're just, you're dead. Yeah. It's like all of the blood in your body is going to be outside of your body in 20 seconds.

And they're all of the other jimmies are just like laughing and laughing and laughing. One of them, I think, is a little stressed, the one that's maybe his closest friend. He's like, oh, what do we do? What do we do? But Sir Jimmy is like, well, the point was one of them had to die. So I guess we just let him die. Like, all right, we have a winner. Sorry.

It's pretty gnarly. It's gnarly. They give Spike the wig, right? He puts on the, like, the blonde Jimmy wig maybe off of the Jimmy that he killed, if I remember correctly. Yeah, I mean, they're probably not going on buying new wigs. Jimmy Shite, by the way, is this Jimmy's name. They're all like Jimmy, one of the women Jimmy's is Jemima. One's like Jimmy Inc.

Jimmy Shite. They've all got their little nicknames. Little variations. And the costume reminder is based on famous pedophile Jimmy Seville. So don't dress up as them for Halloween like I suggested on letterboxed because I forgot. It would be in poor taste. It would be in poor taste. It is also very tempting Halloween.

Halloween costume because it's fun. They are wearing like, yeah, like brightly colored track suits and funny platinum blonde wigs. Yeah. Yeah. They are all from an era 28 years ago where they were children or hadn't been born. So they're like stunted in time. And this was before he was outed as a pedophile and was just a children's entertainer.

So they don't know any of this. Yeah. They also love the telitubbies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So then Spike gets the wig.

The friend of Jimmy Shite that he's. He killed is like give Spike one of those looks back. That's like, fuck you. Yeah, this is not a warm welcome to the club. Yeah. And then we are back at the Bone Temple. Ian, Ray finds his character, is cleaning and producing another well set of bones, a skull and bones. I think from a pregnant zombie we saw in the first movie who died.

So, you know, he's being reverent and doing his whole process. And then as he's out in the world, we see Samson, one of the alphas, who as you, if you remember, are like big Jason Momoa guys who are very well hung. Naked with huge dicks. And like all alpha males are. And we see him ripping a head off of a person. So I can't remember what, doing his kind of signature move. Yeah, there's a, there's just like a lone wanderer that unfortunately gets caught by Samson. And we see a quick POV from what Samson is seeing.

And the guy is like terrified on the floor as Samson is above him. And Samson is seeing him as like a crazed zombie. Samson's like seeing a threat from this guy who is. is like just very scared. Oh, that's so interesting. What an interesting choice to make it that like, it's not that they are soulless villains. They're acting in self-defense.

Yes. Imaginary self-defense. And if only there was a peaceful-minded, sensitive doctor that could see them this way. If only. If only. But so we see Samson grab this man's skull. by the face just like shoves his hand into his face, like crushes his skull and pulls off his head and spine.

Yeah. And then like cracks his skull open and is eating his brain. Oh, man. Yuck. And I just wanted to flag this because we did recently have a conversation about what the texture of brain might be. Yeah. And Emily and I thought it would be more tough like a muscle.

Henley said, no, it's more like jelly. This is jelly in this, which we did have some. One confirmed. Someone verified. Someone who knows. Someone who knows. Oh my God. Said that it is more jelly-like.

Brain more like jelly. Love the pod. Burn. I got him. I was just saying it was a zombie listener as all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got a massage recently that I told him that he could do like really firm pressure. And he took it too far.

But I, of course, didn't say anything because why would I ever? Yeah, that's the risk. And he did a head massage and it felt like he was trying to crack my head open like I was like he is trying to split my skull into. So that's just what I thought of right now. So relaxing. banging it against the table. He had both hands and it was like, I really, I was like he's like trust in each of your eyes. You have like a little tiny head too.

I'm like scared to get to the jelly inside. Jelly's coming out of your ears coming out of your ears coming out of your eyes. coming out of your nose. You're like, sorry, I think my brains are coming out of my eyes right now.

I would never speak up. I would never speak up. I would simply never. That's not my place. Sorry, I got some of my brain jelly over to do. The greatest risk you could ever do

is say you want a hard massage. I know. From a man. But they never go hard enough. But look, I've learned. I feel like I've got the shit kick out of me.

Like I'm covered in. Yeah. My experience, as a feminist basically is that if you ask a male masseuse for a hard massage they do hard without intuition Right Women will do a hard massage but they're intuitively hard

Right yes it was it was completely non-discerning It was like everywhere I touch is going to be as if Like I felt like I was just getting like pushed around Like pushed and skull broken open like a cook just crushed Like rung like a dishcloth But so like occasionally and where places where I needed the pressure, I was like, oh, this is great. But, but, like, 80% of the time I was like, ow.

Yeah. We need to normalize having, like, full open communication with a masseuse throughout. But it was also at the now where it's like, you're not actually in a, like, I'll never speak there because other people, it's like, you're not actually. Oh, other people can't private. I feel like you're, like disturbing other people's. Checking in at all? Like, sometimes they're like, is the pressure still okay? He didn't.

He didn't ask. Because that's, that's maybe a time where I might say. And even then, maybe not. When he asks, I will say like, it may be a little later, but no, but he did not ask. So we know how Emily would be dealt with by an alpha. Yeah. Brain and school absolutely ripped out immediately. Thank you so much.

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And they meet kind of distant from each other. at a hill and through this kind of you know the ghosts in mario if you turn your back they like kind of come for you and then if you look at them they stop this is happening but with ian's kind of blow dart with samson yeah yeah which he keeps uh um what's it called morphine in he used it in the first movie on him and he slowly starts to realize something like what is he realizing here and it's essentially that samson wants the morphine oh Like, Samson keeps, like, coming a little closer, but not actually attacking him. And Ray finds is just, like, interesting.

Like, what is he's, he's such a scientist. He's always learning. Of course. And he's just such a compassionate soul. He really is. And so he's always going to wait until, like, the very, Ray finds the actor. Ray finds the actor. I mean, he seems to be.

He does. I know. I do really love him. But he's... Like Jack Ococallie actor, nasty, bad. Nasty, Jackie. But yeah, like he's always going to wait until the very last second to, to fire one of these little darts. And so Samson's just not actually seemingly threatening his life.

And so, yeah, he like puts together that he wants, he wants the dart. So then we cut to three people in the woods who are like, you know, just survivors. This might be a movie where you would lean over to your girlfriend and go, do we know them from the first movie? Here we go. No. And they are like foraging and they are seen. There's a zombie nearby and they go like if he screams, they're all going to come. So one of the, it's two men and a woman.

One of the men goes to try to kill him. He makes us, he hits the zombie. It screams. A bunch of other zombies come. So these three people start to have to bolt. As they're bolting, they're like, The zombies are gaining on the main guy who tried to kill the zombie. And he's like, please don't leave me.

Don't leave me. And the man and the woman have to watch him die and just leave him to die at the hands of the zombies. They run, they like unlock a fence, bolt it. They come to like kind of a village, a little like farm compound. They walk through the door. And in this little house, all the jimmies are like dining at a table. and their family. The family of these other people

is like kind of terrified. Oh no. Yeah. So the Jimmy's, Jimmy kind of explains like, we are wandering. He has like a little monologue of like we were wondering. And he's being like nice and friendly.

And we come to, you know, dying and whatever. And it's this really tense kind of scene where he explains their history. Ask them if they know the telotubbies. He's like, oh, it's fucking great man.

And then we, Is it Jemima? One of the jimmies. Jemima. He has her do a telotubby dance. So she's just standing near the dinner table. And she's kind of happily doing this like, I don't know if Sammy could do the dance right now. That is kind of what they do.

Did you guys watch the telotubbies? Did you guys watch the telotubbies? I did not. But she did a really good impression. So I have seen. There was a moment in time where I was like, like the telotubies are really cute. Like I was like older, but I was like, they're cute.

I think I liked the red one. I feel like I saw a few, a few episodes when I was a child just because I had such limited, like. They like live in a like a hobbit hole, right? Kind of situation. And there's a son that looks like a baby. A baby son. And they like their bellies light up.

Sir Jimmy was explained they have a, they have a television on their belly. Oh, television. And they're playing with it. Oh, a television. And they're playing within the television and those teletubbies on the television on their tubby tummy have televisions as well. And it just goes on and it makes like an infinite loop of telotubbies. Got it, got it, got it. Wow.

Really twisted stuff we were consuming. I was just so twisted. Now back to this. I believe teletubbies is what Jim was watching in the first movie at the very beginning when it was on the attack. happens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And to remind everybody, he runs away. He hears his family die.

And then his father, who is a pastor, like, accepts the zombies all ripping him to pieces as he kind of like cheers almost the end of the world. Yeah. So that was Sir Jimmy's. Pretty traumatic. Pretty traumatic. So the tension kind of rises. ultimately, I believe her name is Kathy.

Kathy's pregnant, by the way. Who's pregnant. Real bummer. Yes. Not bummer to be pregnant. Bummer to be pregnant in this real. Yeah. And in this world as well.

In this world, I'd wrap it up. I'd wrap it up. Yeah. But Kathy's one of the guys looks at her, like, grabs a pot of boiling water. It's like, run. And he throws it on Jimmy. and she bolts. And meanwhile, like, you're just hearing, like, screams from the house and, like, clutter and fighting.

Like, crashing pots and pans and screaming and then eventually just see the Jimmy's only come out. It makes sense that that would happen in this world where it's like you don't just have to worry about zombies. You have to worry about horrible non-zombie humans. Of course. But, man, that would suck so bad to be like, God. things are bad enough, please just leave me alone. It's very, really tough. It's a very modern feeling.

Yeah. It's like currently how life feels. Yeah. So, yes, then we go back to Ian Kelson, the doctor, Ray Fines, and he is having like a 1960s heroin kind of dance hang with Sampson. Oh. He's doing the morphine as well. We're kind of seeing like a montage of them.

They're bonding. In my mind, like, shiny, shiny boots of that like Velvet Underground song is playing. It's not, but that's what I imagine. And it's quite funny. I don't know how intentionally it is, but it's quite funny to watch. It really made me laugh. Because it's a big ass naked zombie dancing with. It finds getting high.

It's really unexpected. In a bone temple. And as that all goes on, Ian sits next to Samson and basically goes like, I'm glad I got to give you some sense of solace from like the pain of whatever you go through. But you're in so much pain like I have to overdose you. He's like that the morphine is going to run out. We're going to run out of morphine.

At the rate where there's like senses that time has passed also that they've spent like a couple days or a couple weeks together doing this. And yeah, he's just like we're going to run out. And I think like the kindest thing I can do for you is to like put you in a peaceful sleep forever. But like also in some of the like montage of them spending time together, we see that Ray Fines has been like, like, again, as a scientist, like, very curious in what's happening here and, like, seeing moments of, like, Samson's humanity coming through. And he's kind of trying to, like, he's like, if, if we could find out that the virus, like, lays on top of the person below, rather than, like, ravaging through the, like, if there is some of your humanity left behind, that would be, like, the biggest breakthrough ever. And so he's, like, trying to. to coax things out of Samson and seeing if he can like recognize things and they're like having this very bonding time but Samson's like not really getting there so that's when he gets to this point of like okay I think I have to like end and things for you you're also getting

the impression that he's collected maybe like 10 records over this time because he's always seeing that song her name is Rio and she dances. he's like singing that and he kind of like he'll get high and he'll dance alone in his little area I don't know what you call underground hovel as he reads and so he's got like a few records there and he's like singing to samson and they're dancing together and so he sticks the needle in and samson's kind of looking at the sky and as he does it samson goes moon which is the first time we've ever seen any of these zombies speak. Whoa.

And he's like really looking up at the moon and he looks all high and just, it's magical. It's a magical moment. And thank God, Kelson hasn't actually injected anything. He just poked him, so he pulls it out. Oh, okay, okay. And now we are back in a barn. The fingers have tied up the people that were in the house. Everyone except the,

the woman that ran away. Oh, God. And Jimmy's kind of introducing to them his like, uh, these are my seven fingers. I, I have spoken through by old Nick, who is Satan who he thinks is his father.

And, uh, old Nick, like asks, tells me what to do. And let's ask him like, what sort of, uh,

punishment we should give you. Or what he calls it, not punishment, but charity. what charity we should give you. He's, yeah, like touching his temple, like speaking to old Nick and he says, old Nick wants us to take their shirts. Oh, I don't, not like this.

Yeah. And all the other jimmies other than Spike start approaching them. Spike. He's having a real bad time, obviously. The impression is when they say, take your shirts, Spike is like, no, not that. So, like, he's seen this before. So it's a bit like they've done this to a few. people maybe like um so spikes maybe been with them for a minute um and so they go and they stick a knife

into i believe they're like chest area they start cutting and they're basically removing their skin as if you were like removing a shirt from somebody ew ew ew and it's like you know a couple people in their 20s but then like an older man uh and a woman and they're very much just hanging alive while this is happening. And they're hanging with their arms like tied up above them. Oh, God, I really don't like this. And we see that the pregnant woman is in the loft of the barn, like watching, like crying, trying not to scream out.

And there's the one man who, like, she was with who she's, like, particularly focused on. This is all happening. When the woman ran away, Spike sent one of the female jimmies to go find her. Sir Jimmy did. Sorry, Sir Jimmy sent one of the female jimmy to go find her. So she's off. Spike goes out and starts throwing up while this is happening outside the bar. It's really gnarly. As someone who has watched a lot of...

Is this the scene? Yeah. It's like showing like... No, no, Sammy, no. Bits and like piles of skin falling onto the ground. And it's showing like their skinned bodies the whole time. And I guess actually, remember in the first movie isn't so... Oh, not skinned, but like someone has jaded.

Jimmy carved into them while they're hanging. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, and they were still alive. I forgot about that. But, yeah, you really see three people being skinned alive. And it just doesn't happen a lot in movies. There's martyrs, hunter, hunter, and tear fire too are the ones that I can think.

I mean, I'm sure there's others. But. Yeah, Hunter, Hunter. Really gnarly. And I'll say, I remember that. Not for me. Not for me. It's tough.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not pleasant at all. And it does not give you solace. Like, they spend time in it. Yes. This is long.

Drawn out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In a way that my personal opinion is not consistent with the tone of these other movies. This is too much. Like the world of 28 days later. But so anyway, Spike goes out.

He throws up. I think while this. is happening, we've seen the Jimmy that he sent to find the woman. She, she from a distance, sees Dr. Kelson dancing with the alpha. And she's like, what the hell? Yeah. It would be funny to stumble across that. Her name is Jimmy Inc. Thank you. And so she returns and kind of consoles Spike and is like, you can stay out here. You don't have to go back in there. She's the one who kind of empathizes with him. Do we trust her or not?

She's certainly the best bet he's got in this scenario. I was, like, still suspicious of her because she's not, like, bothered by the people being skinned alive, it seems. Right. But she has a little more humanity for Spike. Yeah, okay. Well, she's been raised on this. So it's very different than Spike coming into it.

Yeah. And so we're back in the barn. and the one man, Tom, is his name, who's still alive. He's like, presumably the father of the baby that the woman is pregnant woman. Jimmy's like, he kind of, I think, has another monologue here and kind of talks in his bloviating way about he's very like, I mean, the image behind Sammy is like his whole essence, basically. He's got, he wears like chains and, uh. And his hair is not a wig. So he's somehow getting bleach in this time.

That's why they're going house to house is food and bleach. They look for the bleach. Yeah, yeah, of course. Oh, also in these ceremonial, like the parts where they're doing charity, everyone puts on these scary masks that I think just really add to just how horrible. It's like almost like hockey masks, but I think like they're just made of old sweatshirts or something. They're just like very scary masks that they put. on while they perform the charity.

It's, uh, it looks like something I like the strangers or something. There's that one over your shoulder there. Yeah. But they're like, yeah, laced up weird like, like, you know, football pants or something like that. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So his gig goes, you can, if you can defeat, you can pick any of my fingers.

And if you can defeat them in a fight, you can, you become a finger and we'll let you live, basically. Is he's partially skin? No, he, they've been leaving him. because he, they want, they, I think for this purpose. Got it, got it, got it. Yeah, yeah. I want strong fingers because he's like a young man.

And this is like, yeah, a young, yeah, a young man. So he looks around and, um, he's kind of sitting on the ground. He makes eye contact with Jemima, the, the female one. Uh, and kind of like decides, he's like crying. Um, but like decides to fight her. Hmm. Cause spikes not in the room. Yeah.

Spikes outside vomit. I didn't think God. Because I was stressed about that. So he'd be the obvious choice if he were there. So they face off kind of similar to Spike at the beginning with the Jimmy he kills. The second he picks her, though, I'm going, that was a huge mistake. She's like giving the craziest vibes of all of them the whole time. This actress is really good.

But she's absolutely unhinged. He doesn't know that, I guess. He hasn't spent quite as much time with her as we have. but as soon as he picks her, I'm like, oh, oh, no. Yeah, she, like, smiles. Yeah, she's relishing this. Oh, crazy when he picks her. So then she kind of, like, plays with her food a little bit when she's fighting him.

His baby mom is watching from the loft, and he's just getting his ass, like, cut up. I think he gets stabbed in the shoulder. He's got really nothing on this woman. She stabs him also once, like, in the wrist and just, slices down his whole forearm in a way that like looks fatal to me but he seems to be hanging on so far up and down is better than side to side on the forearm there if you miss the artery so true uh then she's straddling him and she's like you picked me because you thought i was weak because i was the girl uh she's about to kill him and then she kind of like freezes and

starts kind of talking gibberish about her cat. Hmm. I couldn't hear what she said there. I like want to see it again. Yeah, she's saying something about her cat. I love that. This woman has a cat. Where's the cat?

Possibly in the pre-times. And we reveal that the woman in the loft has thrown like a hook, like a heavy hook that was up there down. connected to a rope and it's landed like in the back of this uh jemima's jemima's cranium uh making her speak gibberish it's just sticking out it's just sticking into her skull it hooks right into her brain jelly right into her brain jelly um so she's up there all uh jimmy's like they're trying to get up to the loft they're all yelling at her and what i'm like get her Meanwhile, Tom finds a, like a flammable, like one of those containers with propane in it. Flammable gas, yeah.

And he points it at everyone and lights it up and like flame throws. One of the jimmies and the barn. The woman escapes. This is when they run outside. Jimmy sends Spike to go get her. The man gets shot. Does he get shot with an arrow? They have like an arrow or something like that there.

Yep. And Spike chases her. She gets to the padlock. She's trying to get out. And Spike's like, wait, take me with you. And you're remembering that he needs a maternal figure. Yeah, he's a little boy who was just trying to save his mom who had cancer. Yeah.

He's been very like frozen and passive for most of the movie so far. And so she comes to him and grabs him. and kicks him in the nuts. And it's like, fuck you. Which honestly, you would, though. I feel like I would if I were. Like, he's dressed as a Jimmy. Like, they're all so unpredictable and scary.

It's like, it's not worth it. It's just not worth it. And she doesn't know. She doesn't know Spike. Yeah. So she bails. He comes back. Jimmy's going crazy,

pissed off. And Spike tells her that, that Kathy got away. No, he tells, he tells him that he killed her. Oh, really? Yes, he's like, I had to kill her, which is. I miss that. And he's like, oh, you killed her, huh?

Like, where's her body? And he's like, oh, it was like in the woods. And Sir Jimmy's like, oh, somewhere that's going to be pretty hard to find, I bet. And he's like, absolutely panicking. Now I'm like, did I pee during that part? I don't remember that at all. Like go to the bathroom. I'll be my pants.

But Sir Jimmy obviously knows that Spike is lying and it escalates into everyone's like pissed at Spike. I think one or two other Jimmy's just died. We're in chaos. Everyone's screaming. Everyone's mad. One of the Jimmy's is like, it's your fault. My friend is dead. Like you stab you stabs him in the leg.

He was my best friend. And they all just like, and kill Spike in this moment. But Sir Jimmy is like, well, we have to ask old Nick what old Nick wants to do. And then Jimmy Inc. is like, well, why don't we ask him in person? I think I saw him. Oh, okay. And he's like, what do you mean?

She's like, well, I saw a man covered in red, convorting with the beasts because he's, again, covered in red iodine because the blood can't get to, the zombie blood can't affect. you if you do that. She doesn't point this out, but he's quite buff for his age too. So you might think he could be Satan. Well, he's dragging around all those bodies. Yeah. It's a workout. Yeah. So yeah, he got that is a good workout. And so they're like, okay, we'll go, we'll go talk to him and decide what should happen to spike and I guess generally meet him. Does Sir Jimmy seem excited about this or like, fuck? It's very funny. He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, like everyone's just confused. He's kind of in shock. He's like, what? You saw you saw him? Also, Sir Jimmy says like, I'm the chosen son of old Nick. So I think he's a little bit like almost

jealous. Like you saw my dad and I have it. Like, okay, take me to him. But then they're like watching him with binoculars watching Kelson. And they're like, is it him? Is it him? And we're just seeing Jimmy's face like, sir Jimmy going like, I mean, I think, I think he might be it. It's maybe him. It's like clear that they, nobody really knows. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like if like that kid in high school had been like, yeah, I have a girlfriend that I met at summer camp and they describe her.

And then someone's like, oh, I think there's a woman named Kate over there that looks like that. Is that her? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's nice me. Let me go check with her first.

It's kind of that vibe. Jimmy, Inc., the last remaining female, Jimmy, is clocking this also. Like, you can see that she's kind of distrustful of this Jimmy of Sir Jimmy. I don't know where this has happened, but somehow at some point, we have seen the Alpha also, like, walk and like put his hands in water and like appreciate nature. in a way that we've never seen before. And so, like, that's happened a little bit. But anyway, Spike, they go to sleep. Wait, what's the order here?

Yeah, I think they do, like, set up camp for a night, but I don't think anything really happens there. And I think it's the next morning, Sir Jimmy goes down. It's like, I need to talk to him alone first. And so we have our meeting of, Dr. Kelson and Jimmy. And it's kind of like an odd moment of one man who never sees any people. And Jimmy being like, so are you old Nick?

It basically being like, are you the, so are you the devil? Are you my dad? My dad and the devil. And Ian's like, I don't know who that is. I've never heard of that person. I'm not him. And it's, you know, being very like sweet. It's like, my name's Ian.

I'm called Ian. Yeah, I'm called Ian. It should be an Oscar-nominated performance. Ray Fines is so good in this movie. And he's being very sweet to him, and they start chatting a little, and they have like a really nice bonding moment. Sir Jimmy kind of gives a little bit of his backstory of why he thinks his dad is the devil and, like, how that all happened.

And also, like, the, I feel like, like that's at least where the charity clicked for me that he was like my dad would always like collect charity as his dad was a priest and so yeah he's just kind of like warping his childhood trauma into this like yeah my dad was Satan and I have to continue his work of charity aka skating people alive yeah and so they've like connected nicely this like father-son moment with like a lonely man and a fatherless man. And then Sir Jimmy goes, so anyway, I have some friends who think you're old Nick and I need you to say you are because if you don't, I'm going to feed your intestines to you. He's like, I'm in a bit of a bind here because they think that you're old

Nick and if you're not, then I'm going to look stupid. So I need you to pretend or yeah, I'm going to kill you. And he's like, well, that is a bind. And then he says, there's something you know what they say about the devil's always willing to make a deal. And so we see that Kelson's going to play along. What choice does he have? Okay. Jimmy goes back. He's like, yeah, you're going to meet old Nick,

but there's three rules that old Nick made for you. Like, only I can talk to him. You can't ask him any questions. I forget what the other ones are. Have we gotten any acknowledgement from Spike that like Spike knows who this dude is? Just from Spike's eyes. Like we know Spike knows who this is. Spike has put this together.

Spike knows it's coming cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got it. And so that night, Spike tries to escape or like at dawn and is followed by the, which Jimmy is it that's always been pissed at him? Oh, no, the guy who's a friend. Yeah, it's the one who's like, he killed my best friend. And so they get into a. fight. He's like, where you go on? He almost kills Spike. And right before he does, Jimmy, Inc. She comes and save Spike.

Kills Jimmy Fox. And now they've got a dead Jimmy on their hands. Oh, they killed Jimmy Fox. They kill Jimmy Fox. Fuck Jimmy. Okay. So they go back to Ward Sir Jimmy and explain to him that the other Jimmy was trying to escape and Spike stopped him. And he's like a little dubious. But he's like, we'll have old Nick kind of sort this out basically right sammy meanwhile we see we've also heard her jimmy ink

like reveal her suspicions of sir jimmy she's like i don't think he really knows old i don't think old nick's his dad so we get like some amount of clarity that she believes in satan she just she's like a satanist she just doesn't think sir lord jimmy is the son of satan and so she's here on her own little like yeah she's not we don't

I don't feel good about Jimmy Inc. necessarily, but she suspects. Oh, and also in this moment, she has a moment with Spike before they go back where she's like, what are you doing? Like, where are you going? And he's like, literally anywhere is better than this. And she, like, looks really sad. And she's like, I've been anywhere. And no, it's not.

And it's really sad. So she's, yeah, we like see that she's just. accepted the reality of her situation. Chosen this life out of like everything else is also like completely horrible. Sucks. Yeah. Meanwhile, I believe we see a little bit of Dr. Kelson preparing and we see Samson kind of in the world again and he goes to this train we've seen him in before.

in the first movie, there's like a battle scene in that train where I think one of the, his baby mama gives birth, if I'm not mistaken. And he starts to kind of have flashbacks in the train. And we see him as a young boy on a train. And he's looking at like a book of, you know, the galaxy and the moon. And he's like learning about the moon or whatever. And it's modern times. Oh, I think also has Dr. Kelson given him?

him antipsychotics at this point? You're right. Because Kelson's like been trying to like piece together. What is this virus doing exactly? And maybe it's like causing a psychosis and there's medication for that. And so he, you know, he's running out of morphine, but he has a supply of other drugs. So he gives Samson an antipsychotic and is like, you know, since we're running out of morphine, we might as well try this too.

And I think that this is after that. And so he's having like some memories coming back. Yeah. And on the train memory, it starts to like fall apart. He kind of like sees something happening in the distance of the train. And then he kind of looks up and everyone on the train looks at him in the memory. He's remembering the like train ticket lady coming by asking for tickets. And then we're seeing in reality like other zombies coming on to the.

train and like turning on him because something is happening with him biologically that they no longer are like seeing him as one of them so they're like coming in circling circling him and he looks up as they get close to him and he says I'm sorry I don't I don't have my ticket this are really sweet and then they they attack and it's a big crazy fight I mean he's huge he is the alpha. So he is pretty like pretty easily killing them one by one, but he's super outnumbered. And we are, we absolutely love him at this point. And it's really devastating.

So we're just like, no. But also he is like already infected. So when we're seeing like blood spray on him, which normally would be the thing that you'd be like, oh, fuck, it's over. For him is okay still. So he survives the fight? We don't see. I don't think. I think we're to leave him like screaming in the train,

but we're freaking hoping. Doesn't look good, but we're hopeful. Hoping and praying. Okay. For our Samson. And then the fingers arrive at the Bone Temple. They're ready to meet old Nick. And they put their masks on again, right?

And Iron Man. Aiden starts blaring. Nice. Is that one of his records? Yeah, he has a little record player. And it's the 666, the number of the beast is the song. How convenient. And Ray Fines puts on one of the most incredible fire dance, you know, in your face,

demonic, campy performances, lip-sink for his life song. of this song. As he like pops out, he lights like a fire around them, which is kind of what you're seeing behind Sammy here. He blows a hallucinogen in all their faces. Incredible. It kind of gives a little bit of like, you know,

Batman begins scarecrow vibes. So they're seeing this in a very like intense way. It is like a five minute production number. I want to watch this. This is what I want to watch. I always want to watch the dance scenes. You can handle this. Yeah. They're all just, like, drug down their minds, like, so confused but so excited. Oh, my God.

We're fucking dancing. We're with a safe. No, hell, yeah. And Ray Fides has all this, like, black makeup on, and he's all just going like, wow. Incredible. I would pay the very little life savings I have for the dailies of, Ray Fines just singing the words of the song with no, with like nothing, none of the production behind

them and like dancing around. There's a studio exec in their office, like flipping like casually through the frames, like bored eating a salad. Like no, this is good. But it is like, this is a, you know, 60 something year old man just going full commitment. Let it all out. To a crazy ask in a zombie movie in a really fun way. It's so special.

Very special. It definitely makes you float. We also at some point in here got full frontal Ray finds as he was like going to bed one time. I forgot. I don't remember when that was. Just a casual little full frontal. A time as any to. Yeah, it's never too late to give us that information to tell you guys that that happens.

I forgot that. It was special. It's kind of his own alpha in a way. Yeah, this movie loves Dom. Okay, Ray. And his penis was Ray Fine, if you know what I mean. And so the production number ends. And there's a lot of shots of Sir Jimmy just like so pleased with himself too, like, this is going so well.

This is exactly what I hope would happen. I'm disappointed in myself and my audience. This deserved a standing ovation. And we didn't give it one. But it's like it's just shot. It's so cool. It's so fun. It's so audacious.

for like just a zombie movie. And so then Dr. Kelson kind of starts going through the bullet points that clearly Jimmy prepped him for of like Jimmy is basically like the antichrist. He is my son. Do whatever he says. Find a few more fingers.

Like grow your group a little more. And is there, are there any other ones, Sammy, of like the basic rules? I can't remember this. There's one last one that he's about to say when he recognizes Spike. He makes eye contact with Spike. He makes eye contact with Spike and he sees him. And Sir Jimmy is like, yeah, so like continue going through the world, giving charity to people growing our army of fingers.

Like that's what we should be doing, right? And you see Kelson like not knowing what to do in this moment now that he really. realizes Spike is is with them. Again, I don't know how any actor on Earth does this. In his face, you see him realizing, like, what Spike has had to do to get to this point, what he's probably seen, how, like, sad he is for not knowing how to handle the situation now, like the position he's in. And so he goes, actually, I have one more rule.

Sir Jimmy's like, no, I don't think so. I think that was all the rules, wasn't it? Wasn't that all of them? No, no, no, one more, one more. To, like, fully fulfill, like, the prophecy for me, you have to crucify Sir Jimmy. Like, my son, like Jesus. Like Jesus. Like, well, that tracks.

That is what. Is that right, Henley? I don't know the story, but is that right? I'm pretty sure that's the story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you want to call Tim in? Yeah, we need an expert in here. Yeah, let's contact a professional.

That, that, that. Fuck, yeah. Hell yes. Okay. Okay. And you see Jimmy Inc. is pretty excited about this. She's like, all right. Like, let's do it. And Jimmy, Lord Sir Jimmy is pleading his case. And as Dr. Kelson is kind of talking about it, Lord Sir Jimmy just kind of like, you know, freaks out, pulls out a knife and stabs him in the stomach. Wait, he stabs Kelsey in the stomach? Kelson in the stomach. Oh, no. No. No. But then while that's, while everyone's kind of reacting to the shock of that,

we see Sir Jimmy also like shudder and look down and Spike has stabbed Sir Jimmy in the stomach as well. Oh, great. And then the remaining fingers turn on Spike. Oh, this is, this is chaos. And Jimmy Inc. basically saves him. Okay. And how many fingers are there at this point? Four?

I can't remember what happens to them. Does she kill them? Oh, maybe she doesn't kill them. No. Or do they just run? Do they run? I can't remember. I can't either.

Let's see what it says here. This page in front of me says ink turns on the remaining fingers, killing them all in Fraying Spike. Oh, okay. Wow, Jimmy Inc. She, like, realizes that Kelson, it's been an act. She, like, turns to him. She's like, so you're not Satan, are you?

And she's kind of bummed about it. Yeah. She does believe in Satan and thought she was meeting her Dark Lord. Yeah. And he, it's my favorite line in the movie. I think it's after she says that. He goes, I'm not. No one is.

Or, like, no or is anyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a great line. He goes, but I am Voldemort in a different life. Yeah. I thought I knew you And he takes his nose off And she tells him like

I'm sorry to say like I can't help you with that Like I don't think you're going to be Surviving that He says I know And she says but I can help you with one thing And she gets to crucifying Sir Lord Jimmy Oh wow She crucifies him off

upside down just like his necklace that he was like inside down cross from the very first scene in the first movie. Wow. Wow. Wow. And so he's kind of suffering there. Spike is like, why did you do that for Kelson? And Kelson goes, because you've been through enough. Mm.

Kelson. So he like sacrificed himself for Spike. Oh my God. They're heroes everywhere you look, guys. But this world needs Kelson I know it's so sad And then as Jimmy's kind of hanging upside down He gives us the old classic line

Father, why have you forsaken me? And he's kind of like Dying and the like the world Is kind of like changing in front of him And he sees this like flash of a zombie And then it cuts out for that scene So you imagine and he's maybe killed there, but we don't see it.

And then Spike, yeah, did you say, so Jimmy Inc. is like, my name's Kelly. Did you say that already? My real name's Kelly. They kind of like have their bonding moment. They throw off the wigs. Yeah. They leave that behind.

They're dropping the Jimmy. And then we cut to a cabin somewhere in the highlands. A home. Wait, wait, wait. Wait. What am I missing? Wait, wait, wait. What am I missing?

Samson. Oh. Right? What happens with Samson? Samson, we see him like after Kelly and Spike have walked off into the distance leaving Kelson, Kelson dead in the bone temple. He's died. Oh. He's going to do with his skull.

Returns to the Bone Temple and sees. This is when we also see, yeah, Sir Jimmy, from his point. of view seeing like Satan now for real this like huge alpha he's like and he still has a has some of the hallucinogen in his system so he's seeing samson as Satan with horns and like he's like here he is my real dad is here he's here and I can't remember if samson kill I think he just leaves sir jimmy he's going to die eventually and he like kneels down oh kelson's not quite dead yet but he's almost dead and he kneels down and he kneels down next to Kelson and says,

Kelsey, thank you. And then Kelson dies. Wow. And Sampson like scoops him up and carries him off. Oh. Wow. As, yeah, then we cut away.

I've missed some impactful moments of this. Good job. Oh, and Kelson's last line before he dies is Memento Mori. So, of course, oh. Wow. call back to the first we all must die and so now a high schoolish age girl is learning history and like preparing for a test with somebody and she's like okay so they're basically explaining

why after world war two the Germans had to kind of like be forgiven and not dismantled because if after world war one the Germans were like dismantled and shamed and it's led to World War II, like if you don't. If you don't practice that kind of thought, it'll just repeat itself. And we reveal that she is talking to Killian Murphy. He's in this movie, you guys. What? Wait.

I did not. I really didn't expect it. The implication being, because she's a young black girl, that he and was Hannah her name from the first movie? I can't remember. It's, I think Naomi. They had a daughter. But that they had a daughter.

I was doing like a little bit of the like trying to remember. Does she die in the movie? Naomi Harris is that. Selena is her character's name. Selena. Hannah is the young girl. And Selena is the woman that he has a romantic relationship with. So the implication here being that he's homeschooling this daughter.

We don't see a mom. And he's like, well, you know, it would be wise of you to know this for the test tomorrow and she's like dad you're the one making the test he's like yeah maybe if that question's on the test it's just good for you to know it's like you're writing the test and then they see they hear something and look into the fields and see a bunch of zombies chasing Kelly and spike as a climb over a fence and the daughter is like well what should we do should we help them? And he's like, yeah, we always help them.

And then the movie ends as the original theme from the first movie starts playing. Oh my God. Give us the third movie. We have to get a third movie. We have to get a third movie. Oh, my God. Full body chills. I just got full body chills.

I love it so much. And yeah, I mean, we need it. I'll pay for it. You guys. Sammy's going to pay for it. Thank you, Sammy. I'll figure it out. I'll figure something now.

Also, I want to know what the syllabus is. I want to know Killian Murphy's syllabus for teaching his daughter because I'm really interested in what he has to say. Yeah. Wow. You guys. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Yeah, most of the third movie, I think, is homeschooling.

It's just homeschooling. It's just homeschooling curriculum. I love that. Not that I, you know, love homeschooling. I think that everyone should be going to public schools. But holy shit. In this circumstance, it's probably the only option. Yeah, I'm pretty sure there aren't a lot of public schools around.

That probably is public school in this world. Shit, that is so exciting. These movies are really like trying to tackle some very deep questions, I think, in a way that's really fun to see. Just like deep questions about human nature, who are the real monsters, what does it mean to be redeemable? I think I'm going to watch this movie. I think it's really, like once you pass the skinning stuff, I just will close my eyes. I think it gets easier after that. I think the first like half hour of the movie is pretty jam-packed with.

violence and then and then I think it gets easier. There's like two or three zombie moments that are like so not impactful for me that we didn't even mention them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the skinning is the main thing, yeah. I was fine with the zombie moments in 28 years. It's like something about it. It's the suffering is the hardest part.

So it's like the skinning stuff and is like that's much harder to watch than like. I think also too because, and I'll be curious to see how this one is shot, but like because 20 ears is so stylized and the scenes of violence are so like quick cuts and insane, like crazy angles and stuff that it doesn't hit me in the same way that like staying on a scene of watching people get skinned. Yes, because that sort of Danny Boyle's style really reminds you that you're watching a movie. It's like, right, this is a movie. Look how crazy this is.

Whereas I don't think this one does that as much. in these scenes, yeah, you're really just, I feel like you're really just sitting in them with the skinning. But man, Kelson is such a good character. Like, I, I'm so glad I watched 20 years because

hearing this, I'm like, I want to spend more time with him. Like, that's why I want to see this movie. Is I just, like, really want to see more of him. And I really love Spike. And I just feel, it's like very impressive that the movie is able to make you feel that strongly about them. That I'm like, I have to keep watching them. And I want to meet Jimmy Inc.

Like she seems really cool. She's great. And obviously I don't like Sir Jimmy, but I think he's also like an excellent character and an excellent villain. One thing that I really appreciate it really hitting home is the danger of someone claiming that they're being told what to do by an outside source. Like him having old Nick in his head. It's just, it's this playbook. You see it over and over again of like. I'm absolved of all of my actions because this like...

I'm receiving them from someone else. Exactly. It's the responsibility lies where there's force like greater than myself and how that is like tempting in so many ways on so many levels. But like it's just the most dangerous thing. It's one of the most dangerous things. Yeah. And through that like in this movie and all these movies, but especially this one like fear and

violence and aggression have like really big, they like spread out really wide very quickly. But he takes this like long, slow journey with the Dr. Kelson character of like empathy and like hope being impactful for one person forever. Yeah. Yeah. In a way that is like relatable to me

when you feel powerless about the whole world. It's like, but he locked in on like, in the first movie, the mother character and Spike and this movie Spike and Samson and like changed their lives forever. Even if it's not like the whole world. But that can also have its own ripple effects. Yeah. And it's more reasonable of an expectation for yourself. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah, I really, I'm like, these movies are really beautiful. I'm like really, I find them to be. really effective. Yeah. And I want to watch, I want to watch this one. And I want to see Killian Murphy homeschooling.

I want to see freaking Killian Murphy and Spike together. And so, and so Dan, why for you, and also just objectively correctly, is 28 years later

better than this one. Well, this one, I felt an emptiness in the Spike character. He's really passive. Um, he, in a way that's like, I understand why he'd be passive, but you don't spend a lot of time with his emotional journey. You don't revisit his family and that like island in a way that is a little odd to me.

I hope they come back in the third. That, that is my hope. I would have to. It'd be a very weird dread to leave. We're due further explanation of, from his father. Yeah. You know, in this journey of like what trauma does to you in the cycle of violence and empathy and dead and I want like more from I I read something that said 28 years later is like focused on

family and what it means to be family and this one is focused on good and evil like and then third one is focused on redemption and so it's like if we don't get we have to get redemption Aaron Taylor Johnson we we need it more than now more than ever now more than ever as far as by like expectation that first movie ends with the Jimmy's being like these like parkour badass like fun fight. You know, I knew they were going to be like dark and evil, but I was expecting a little more action,

more fun in games. Fun and games. And it's really, we'll see how they pay off Samson in the third one. But Samson simply had to be the one to kill Sir Jimmy. I was, it drove me crazy that he wasn't the one that comes in and like tears him apart. Yes, I did have that as well where it's set up so.

clearly to be like everyone's congregating in one place and Samson could come in and just see you know, Kelsey in danger and just lay waste to the jimmies. But I feel like it doesn't happen. But that's not what Kelseyson would do. And perhaps there's something to the humanity that has been restored in Samson that that's like showing us a different path for him. Yeah. I wanted to see him rip him apart. I think if you're going to do the charity scene. Like, we need, we need a fitting. It seemed violence for the sake of violent and it doesn't really like, you don't get

any sort of poignant reason that it doesn't get paybacked for them and you don't get any reason that it happened other than just like, for me, shock value. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yuck. And Sammy? Your turn. Now, if you could speak as fast as possible. Dan spoke far too slowly, so he loses.

I would say that I think 28 years later is the better movie. I agree with that. I enjoyed the Bone Temple more. I think because it was very funny and unexpected, and I just felt like I was on a roller coaster. And I loved Kelson. I loved Ray Fine's performance in it. I mean, obviously he's great in the first one, too.

But yeah, I think it's just, it was just more my vibe because I do like violence and gore. And it was gratuitous. I get that. But I always ask for movies to go harder. And I feel like this one did. And so I'm not going to be mad about it. Great. I refuse to be mad about it.

Fair. Two excellent points. You're both correct. Wow. It's impossible. It's impossible. Yeah. You got a participation trophy.

She used you both. But these two movies had two of the, I don't like keep a list, but I would say the two most memorable scenes of movies I've seen that. Like the Iron Maiden scene in this one and the crossing the bridge chase scene where they're playing the poem in the first one are like two of the coolest movie scenes I've seen in a really long time. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. I love them. I love them both.

But this next one better be Predator style, Samson and Jim, Killingham Murphy's character. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. His name is Jim? Isn't that confusing? Yes, I think it is Jim. That is confusing. Oh, yeah, they're really into the gym names, aren't they?

Because isn't, isn't fucking Aaron Taylor Johnson's character name name? Which that's confusing. Okay. Too many Jarlane. Let's get you a name book. Yeah, Alex, come on. Alex, come on. Wow.

We fucking better get a third movie. I'm in a riot. Are we so mad? I'm so freaking pissed off. But what an absolute thrill. I feel so lucky to have gotten these movies and to be able to talk about them with my friends. Yeah. This has been a what a treat.

What a thrill. Dan, thank you so much for joining us again. Thank you for having me. Dan. Absolutely. Excellent. These are for sure like my favorite. I haven't seen 28 weeks later, I'll say that.

But like, if you... It's pretty fun. It's definitely the worst of all of them, but I think it's still worth the watch. I don't want it to color my love for the series. But of any, like, property that I think this and scream would be my two favorites. So I'm honored to be thought of when these movies come out. When we get a third? When we get a third.

Thank you. You're the first call. Yeah, always the first call. the nation is calling for you. Yeah. Dan, where can our listeners find you if they don't already know? Let's see what I would like to plug. I guess right now I'll plug.

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