Too Scary; Didn't Watch - BRING HER BACK with Spooko

Episode Date: August 13, 2025

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Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I am too. too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy and I love watching scary movies. And so I watch them so that you don't have to. And we are missing Henley today. And some of you are going to be really upset about that. And we're really sorry. I mean, we're sorry, but you know what? Friendship. Friendship comes first. And for what it's worth, I do think this one would have just ruined her. She's on vacation. It's her first day of vacation today. And I think it would have ruined her entire vacation.

It probably would have ruined, like, a part of her soul forever. Forever, yeah. And I'm saying that, like, not having heard about this movie yet, but only, I just can only imagine. And so we're going to, we're going to just give her that because she deserves it. And she's going to punish herself by reading the Wikipedia summary of this movie. I'm certain, even though we kept being like, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it. I still think she's going to do it.

So I'm sure you will get her reaction to that at some point. but it wasn't our fault. So. It wasn't our fault. And we're not going to tell you what the movie is yet. Not yet. But if you want to know, and if you want to get to the recap, there are time stamps in the show notes. Because first, just a little bit of haunted housekeeping that we are in week seven of Hellchella. And for those who do not know, all of these episodes are available as video episodes on our Patreon at patreon.

slash TSDW podcast. And this week is the premiere of our Alien Earth Recap series that will also be available on our Patreon. We haven't seen it yet, but we're really excited. I think all three of us

are going to watch it, so. I think so. And this first, whatever, so it'll come out today, our episode. Mm-hmm. So double day. Double day. And also double day

because the first two episodes come out, came out the yesterday of today. We'll have come out yesterday, but right now it's in the future, but you get it. So starting with a bang. Oh, I'm excited. I can't wait. I really can't wait. That's all the haunted housekeeping. Just check out the Patreon.

And other than that, Emily, did anything scary happen to you this week? Something scary is happening to me, Sammy, which is that I think my body has forgotten. how to sleep. Oh, no. Oh, you hate to hear that. And it's not even like I've been, like, as I've gotten older, I've had more trouble with sleeping. Like, generally I have like kind of restless nights. But lately, I truly am like, like, I'm tired and I lay down to sleep and I like get, I do everything as I normally do it. And I feel my body go like, how do I? Like, I'm like, I can no longer tell how I'm supposed to get comfortable. I give him my body being like, ah, what? It's like a very specific experience that I haven't had until recently, but it's been like a week now where I'm like, my body just like doesn't know what to do anymore.

Yes. I have had that. I know that sensation of like no matter what I do, I can't be comfortable. And like I could never begin to fall asleep because I'm so uncomfortable. It like feels different from other like restlessness I've had where it's truly like it's like I like can't. It's like a real toss and turn. You're really toss and turn. I cannot find my way in.

Like, it's like, it's like being like, I know this, I know they said the room is here somewhere, but how could, it's like that feeling. Yeah. And I really hate it. I'm tired. Yeah, that really freaking stinks. And all the like sleeping pills just come with other. I know.

I can't do it. I won't do sleeping pills. Yeah. I think it's, I mean, like all things, I think it's probably just like stress and my body's rhythm is off and I just need to. Yeah. I just need to find it. again but that thing about not sleeping is like you get more stressed about it and then every time

you're like oh is it going to be like that again and then when you lay down to sleep again you're like maybe it's going to be like that again so I'm hoping by voicing it I'll break the cycle I hope so I'm taking away the power yes you know yes tonight's the night tonight's the night I feel yeah I feel good about it I feel good about it too report back I will I mean you know I will I'll be thinking about you as I lay in my bed, which is just me at the moment. Duncan is out of town for 10 days and I watch this week's movie and next week's movie and I have to watch the movie after that. I don't get typically scared in the same way that other people do when they watch horror movies, but I'm in like a new house and a big house

And a bigger house than I've ever lived in before. And like a new neighborhood, new sounds. New sounds. The like it has central air, sorry not to brag, but when that turns on, it like scares me every time because I'm not used to the sound yet. But so, yeah, the general scary thing is just adjusting to this new house and how long it's taken to decorate it and get it the way that I like. But that's all like good stuff.

I'm not mad about it. Right. But an update that's also not scary, but that I think the listeners would appreciate is that I am decorating our guest bathroom to be nautical themed. Yes. Incredible. You know how I feel about a themed bathroom. It's very fun. I bought some like model ships.

Henley got me a ship in a bottle for Christmas one year a while ago. Will the ship lamp fit in that bathroom? It doesn't. No, not enough space. But there can be ship parts in the rest of the house, too. There's, it's, I did try it. But I got some, like, fishing netting and hung it along the ceiling. Oh, my God, fun. Put some little, like, crustaceans in it.

Oh, my God, see. Wait, I'm going to send you a link to, like, a really fun little, like, teaky-esque, but, like, ship in a fish, not a ship, but, like, a globe and, like, a fishing net light thing. that I felt like, I think that maybe some of some of that could be cool. Yeah. So I did go pretty crazy at first and bought a bunch of shit. And then some of it I was like, okay, this all this looks pretty stupid. So I got to go slow here. Okay.

But see, I'm in a, I've already, my membrane's going on mile a minute. I'm like, there's a, you know, that Tiki bar that we go to sometimes before we go, before after we go to the Burbank 16. Uh-huh. You know how that bathroom has like watery light and like. ocean and like seagull sounds and like waves like we could really make this like a fully ambient experience like almost like like a rainforest cafe but the ocean and your bathroom yep yep i want that that sounds perfect i didn't even think about the audio element the audio possibilities but

certainly meant obviously i know you're thinking about lighting but like that's you know that's key but it could be like wow i'm really excited this is really exciting yeah so uh once that's looking extra like worth showing once it's looking worth showing I will post a photo or something because it's really just delighting me

yeah it's delighting me do you not even seeing it it's fun it's very fun and yeah for those of you that don't know Emily has a themed bathroom as well it's Madonna Inn themed all pink and floral

and yeah just think about why not have a themed bathroom Think about what you can do with your bathroom. It really turns it into a space of joy. And it should be. It should be. You might end up being sad that it's your guest bathroom or not your main bathroom. But there's always an opportunity for more themed bathroom.

Yes. And it is the closer bathroom to my office. So it is the one I use more during the day. Great. Yeah. Yeah. You can get more out of it in the day. But the real scary thing that happened this week was,

watching this movie my god yeah because this week we are talking about bring her back came out may 30th of this year directed by danny and michael philippo they are the twin brother directors behind talk to me it was written by danny philippo and bill hintsman starring billy Barrett, Sora Wong, Jonah Wren Phillips, and Sally Hawkins. It is currently available to rent on VOD. And it's an Australian film. Is it? And, you know, we thought, why not bring back our favorite Australian? Bring them back. Why not bring them back? Our favorite Australian correspondence, Peach and Shag from Spuco. Hi, Peach and Shag. Welcome back. What is going on? Too Spuco didn't watch. Let's go. Look, I'm Henley and I'm so scared of scary movies that I'm going

to speak in an Australian accent for the balance of the episode. It's going to be great. That'll keep you safe. Yeah, we're delighted to be here, team. It's so exciting to do another too Spuco didn't watch. And I know we often make jokes about how we've never met Henley and we don't know if Henley actually exists but I was driving in my suburb yesterday and I passed this new

development they're building called the Henley Reserve and I was like oh fuck have you guys Kaiser Surzade us do you just like see the name Henley somewhere I'm like yeah we've got a third co-house I'd just say yeah we're keeping up with the bit I couldn't figure out whether

if like if Henley's a hallucination right I actually couldn't figure out who's hallucination because I guess technically if we're in a kind of Tyler Durdeny situation I'm like oh have I hallucinated Henley and like I am actually Henley I'm off like married to Tim and building some shelves and you know like speaking to psychics and like getting it all getting it all done because yeah it could be listening back to this you guys don't even mention the word Henley and I'm like whoa hang on what what's going on or it's one of those shared hallucinations you know how there's like that happens sometimes I don't know why I have this memory

of my mom telling me a story about a mother and daughter that had like a shared hallucination that the daughter was dating Justin Timberlake. It's actually like pretty dark, but I feel like that's, you know, maybe what's happening with us with that. I'm really deeply curious to know more about that story, but it does sound pretty dark. Yeah. Yeah. Look, Duncan, Duncan brings some nice Timberlake energy to the place. It'll be good. Yeah, exactly. Good son-in-law, Timberlake son-in-law energy. It'll be good. I don't think we want any Timberlake energy. to be, to be quite honest. We don't.

Such a good dancer. When did that turn, though? Because there was a point where Justin Timberlay could do no wrong. And was it when he did that country album? Like, what happened? What was the moment? I think it was a combo of more awareness on Brittany and what happened to her and how he did her wrong, timed with the video of him dancing at a concert, timed with getting arrested and

complaining about the world tour. He had, like, a lot of things at once that we went, like, oh, I see you. You're actually, like, a huge loser. But I think as well, if you get all your cred from Timberland, like, and Timberland falls the fuck off as well, culturally, you're like, oh, gosh, I don't have anyone with any legitimacy to vouch for me. What do I do now? Yeah, exactly. I was on the Michael Jordan documentary. Yeah, yeah, that's all I've got.

Yeah, yeah. Yep, yep. All right. This is too spooker I didn't watch. We've done this a couple of times. And Sammy, I actually wanted to ask you a question because... Yes, please. I was watching the film we're covering today over the weekend.

Yep. And I was watching it with my partner who has to watch these films with me often. And she's like, why? I'm like, what are we doing? What are we watching this? I bet she didn't like this one. Getting to the end of this film, I was like, what are we doing? Why are we spreading this around?

Sammy, do you ever feel like... you shouldn't be doing what you're doing? Yes, there's a few that I have felt that, like, we've gone, we've gone too far. And actually, one of them was not even a horror movie. It was a movie called Red Rooms. It's like a French Canadian. I don't know if you saw, did you guys see that one? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was just like, I don't even really want to, like, I don't want to exist anymore. Yeah. Like, yeah, I'm bringing this to other people's conscious. Yeah, yes, yes. And I did, I watched this with my friend Jenna, and they, There were moments in this where she just, she kept turning to me and being like, this is the worst thing I've ever seen in my life.

Not meaning it's like a bad movie, meaning like the things that were happening were like so upsetting that she was like, I'm never going to forget these things that I've seen here. Yeah, I, I am, look, I'm ready. I'm ready to do it. I hope Peach you are mentally prepared for what might be about to happen because the only info I have on this movie

is that it's like, oh, oh, oh, no, like, oh, oh, God. Yeah, Pete, you, you have kids, right? Shag, you also have kids, don't you? Yeah, that's true. That's true. So that's tough. Yeah, yeah. Look, I'm in very, I'm in very early 90s Australian sort of frame of mind

where I'm hoping it's going to be a Priscilla Queen of the Desert, sort of strictly ballroom of like, look at the films we make. Like, Baz Luhrman before he fell off. So, my gosh, everyone's falling off these days. That I'll be like, yeah, yeah, Mulla Rouge, just around the corner from these boys. that like this is what Australian filmmaking is about. So I'm hoping there'll be something we can extract some pride from. Oh, sure.

Apart from just feeling bad. They're really talented directors. I think the movie is like, I really liked the movie. I mean, I don't know if that's like the, it's hard to say that. But I, I, I respect it. You like kids being put in danger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Respect.

There's value to it. Yes. There's value to it. I think that these directors are. are really, I think they are like exciting upcoming directors, but I did have a feeling of like, what happened to them? Like, why are they okay? Like, this is, there's some really tough stuff in here. Yeah, I want to say two things. First of all, I recently was on a plane and I started watching that horror movie, Heart Lies. Lardida, this guy. I know, what a

baller. I started watching, it's huge flex. I started watching that movie. heart eyes that horror movie with the killer. Oh yes, yes, yes. I never saw it. Well, I stopped watching within half an hour because I'm like, this is a waste of my life to watch this film. Like, it was, it wasn't even bad. It was a chat GPT script. It was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. What are we doing here? I didn't feel that at the end of this film. Like, I didn't feel like I wasted 104 minutes of my life. But, um, I will say, it's, it's not a, like, I don't think you need to have kids to not enjoy watching blind youths being tortured. So like, yeah, no, I think that that checks out.

Yeah, I don't expect to like, I don't expect that I'm going to like it. It's upsetting for all. It's a many splendid thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess what do we do? Should we, like, now we've given it a really good sort of intro. If you're still here. I'll give us a couple stats.

This movie has an 89% around Tomatoes. Let's go. A 75 on Metacritic and a 7.2 on IMDB. So these are actually like pretty good ratings. We're out of the 6 to 7, yeah, like range of doom. Yeah, exactly. That's really high for IMDB. It's kind of a perfect score.

Exactly. Yeah, yeah. 120%. The budget was 15 million and it made 27.5 million. So, yeah. I mean, I think the Philipo brothers are going to be continuing to make do this

to be awful like they're gonna pull the James one it's gonna be it's gonna be exciting yeah okay so

and then I think let's just watch this trailer you guys oh god yeah I've never seen no

let's just let's just you have to we have to we have to we have to we're gonna put you with

a foster mom called Laura you're gonna love her oh welcome to your new home This is my daughter's room. I want to show you something else this way.

We stuffed, but... I know I'm a weirdo. How did she cope? Where's scouts are you being gone? I didn't. There's something wrong with Laura. Good, we can bring her back. What are you doing?

He's going to bring her back. It's supposed to report how safe and reliable you are. So stay safe. Stay reliable, yeah? Sally Hawkins, man. Whoa. I was going to say, I was going to say I really, really, really deeply hope. you're not a massive fan of the Paddington films because...

I am a huge fan of the Paddington films. I know. I know. It's... Yeah, just maybe imagine the mother's played by somebody else because... I mean, I love her. She's amazing. That last shot of the trailer was so scary.

Like, how did she manage to make that so scary? Oh, she's so good and so... unnerving in this, yeah. How's her Australian accent, you guys? It's, like, it's phenomenal. We, for the first, maybe 30 minutes of the film, I was like, who is that Australian actor? I know I know her from somewhere.

Like, it's a near perfect accent. I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure one of the other main characters is also played by an American or an English person. Like, the Australian accents across the board in this are perfect. I think one of, one of the things I love about the Philippo Brothers films, besides the abuse of blind children

is the attention to detail of what it feels like to be in Australia. Like, we have way less, we have way less demonic rituals, but just the look of the streets, the look of the buses, the feeling of the characters. There's an issue that happens sometimes in Australian cinema where they try to be global or they try to be English or they try to be American. And it always comes across as quite cheap.

in second rate. Or they go too far down the sort of, I guess, the Muriel's wedding sort of side. And it's the very sort of like, you know, extravagant ochre version of Australia, the Bogan version of Australia. Whereas like the Philippo brothers just capture suburbia here. Like I watch these films and it's just, it's so reflective. I don't know why it's so hard. Maybe it's because they're young directors, but they just capture it perfectly. I think that like in, that in universe point is such a good avenue for like high-quality horror creators to walk down of you know if you feel like you're walking through a lived universe rather than a set where some guy carrying a large knife is going to jump out at you there's more terror to be had in a world that's

inhabited by people and that is sort of either recognizable to you yourself or kind of so obviously internally coherent and there's something about like being in the real world and bad stuff happening like english people doing great australian accents that um that really happens it's a real chivroy experience like oh yeah yeah yeah yeah like in reverse chivroy yeah or the or the tom the tom wamsgans experience like where like we're like we're big 2005 pride and prejudice heads that's our that's our pride and prejudice in our household oh yeah that's the one uh look to see the wamsgans performance you know like you really like you really walk through so paddington followed by uh followed by bring her home it's uh it's uh good fun. So, M, you've never, you don't know what happens in this film, you've just seen

the trailer for the first time. What do you think happens in this movie? A really bad time. I just think it's a, it just seems like, probably like, I just are, like, a really bad time. Yeah. Yeah. Um, oh, I really, yeah, I don't know, but I kind of want to, I kind of want to just like rip the bandaid off and just like, because what else what else can I do? Yeah. I mean, late stage capitalism mixed with patriarchy is going to be the bad guy with some spooky stuff thrown. I mean, we already. It always is. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. We're already there. I got to say though, Sammy, how was your watching experience of this? Because maybe I got an hour into the film before I had any idea what the fuck was going on. Um, I, I feel like,

I kind of knew what was going on, but, yeah, I mean, I think I had watched the trailer. There's multiple trailers, too, so I feel like I kind of had an idea of like, okay, we're, you know, we're trying to bring her back. We're trying to bring her back. So we're trying to bring her back. And that's not going to probably be good. Yeah, I guess I'm surprised it does seem like in May perhaps, yeah, the type of bring her back. That makes sense. and talk to me was like supernatural but i i guess i i more just thought this is going to be

straight up um children suffering in in our in our regular in our world only sure but it seems like maybe there's going to be a little bit more if you remember and talk to me yeah they're suffering in multiple dimensions yeah so i think now i'm it's coming back back to me now that there's maybe going to be more of that kind of stuff. Yeah. So, you know. Well, let's, yeah, whatever. I mean, all right, let's, let's, let's talk to me about it, dudes.

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No, I would just say that. I'm like, regular children fine. That sweet bear, that young bear? Just absolutely gaslighting the shit out of Paddington. He's innocent. He would be so easy to gas slide, too. He would be like the best gaslighting target. Terrible crime.

The actor who plays Paddington appears in that Cura Knightley series is like an extremely violent. assassin. Yeah, I love him. Both of them are like equally consistent. Yeah. And they're both. Great show.

Both performances like equally coherent. It's, uh, it's good fun. Acting. Oh. So, sorry. Sorry. It's easy. You just pretend to be someone else or whatever they're like.

Right. So the film begins with a couple of images that aren't really explained initially. I watch everything. I think everybody does in 2025 with captions on. Like, it's impossible to hear. I had to turn them on eventually. I feel. For the first half, I was flying blind, but then I brought those captions.

Yeah, you told the captions to talk to me. So the first thing you see when you're watching this, it's just black, and the captions say Russian speaking. So there's just some sort of Russian words. We see from the top down, I can't remember if the first shot is the top down shot or the first shot is the VHS footage. Oh, I don't know. That's fine.

There's a mixture of footage So there's one from the top down We see a circle drawn in Like what looks like chalk But it's quite a large circle on the ground There's a woman in the middle of the circle And like a large naked man walks over And puts his hand on her head

With a big belly With a big belly In fact that's really important The big belly is super important Yeah I'm not just describing We'll come back to that Anyway so there's also these sort of grainy VHS footage of some sort of, I guess, warehouse factory in Russia where

we're watching various people in states of distress, various people not really wearing much clothes, there's people sort of hanging from the ceiling, there's a woman sort of leading us between the different bodies, they're sort of riding in agony, and then we lift a blanket it on one body that's maybe not dead, that sort of looks at the screen and maybe doesn't. And then we get our title, and this is kind of important, the title comes almost like it's underwater. We hear the title bubbling. We hear that sort of low pass filter of like bubble, bubble, bubble. And the title sort of emerges from the screen as if it's emerging from black water and it says, bring her back. They love their sound design. That's in talk to me also,

a lot of like water sound design. It's so good. This movie sounds amazing. There's there's so much to love about this deeply awful film that is beautiful. All right. So we are now at a bus stop. I'm assuming this film set in Adelaide because it was made by the South Australian Film Commission. So it looks like an Australian suburban bus stop.

And we introduced to Piper, who is visually impaired. So she later describes her. ability as she can see light and shapes, but that's it. And I think the Philippi brothers do a really good job of portraying how fucking awkward it is to be a teenager. She is this like beautifully like brave kid who walks up to the clearly cool girls and is basically like, are you guys going into the city and they're like, yeah? And she's like, cool, are you going to meet some friends? And they're like, yeah and then they they just try to get out of this conversation. Piper's stepbrother, Andy, and it's clear from the beginning that they don't have the same mum, shows up. And Piper is a

joke is like, oh my God, who's this peto? And he's like, oh. Anyway, the cool girls, the cool girls use this as an opportunity to get away from her. Andy pulls Piper away. Andy looks back. The cool girls are clearly like just paying her out, not just in terms of what she said, but like, she looks, because obviously her eyes don't look, you know, exactly the same as someone who has no visual impairment. And Piper's like, you know, what are they saying about me? And he's like, oh, no, no, they thought you were cool. And from the beginning, we realized that Andy is kind of trying to make the world seem like

a nicer place for Piper. Yeah, he's a gas lighter. Yeah, I'm with you. He's lying to her. Lying to her face. Yeah. So they, they, they. come home and their dad is in the shower and it's locked and he's like we better get in I'm

trying to remember what the urgency is yeah I don't know I can't I can't really remember either but they're trying they're knocking and he's not responding and they the houses the room is like filled with steam so they can tell the shower has been on for like way too long type of thing and so they open the door and he's trying to be like piper don't come in but he goes inside and the dad is lying on the ground, clearly dead. There's some blood or some vomit or something around his mouth next to him. Or both, yeah. And he tries to, he's basically like, Piper don't come in, Piper don't come in,

but Piper comes in, she feels the head, realizes his dad. And they then basically have that sort of, I guess those sorts of scenes where it then moves very quickly to the paramedics showing up. We see a body bag, so we know the dad's dead. And there's this amazing scene where the paramedics are trying. You know, when you're pushing something on the ground and there's a tiny step in the way, and the paramedics are trying to push the, I'm laughing. Like, it's not a funny scene, but they're trying to push.

No, but it's just that, like, undignified, like, oh, come on, this too. We can't get the body out. So they're trying to push. And then to that point about the filippo sound, there's like a, there's like a transition so we hear that push, push, that bang of those wheels, it then cuts to both of the kids being in a fax. So family and community services is our like looking after kids sort of Australian sort of service.

They're in the office with this woman called Wendy who is tapping, like she has these massive bangles and she's typing on the computer and they're like tap, tap, tap. And there's this really nice transition between those sounds into this scene. Wendy is the mum I guess that I guess that maternal figure that exists in every I guess Australian community business

Like you already know Wendy I don't know if that's if that This is a universal thing But you know what I mean with Sammy It's like you just you know Wendy Without even having to characterise it Right She seems like

Just trustworthy I guess Type of thing Yeah Does heaps of paid labour heaps of unpaid labor for a family, for a community. Yeah, yeah. It's another victim of a system of oppression.

Yeah, yeah, like patriarchy's the bad guy, Shagg, we're with you. But we find out, so basically these kids are now going to go into the foster system. They explain that Piper will go to this woman, Laura, who is apparently really lovely. And Andy, because he's almost 18, will go into a sister living. We'll go into, sorry, not assisted living, we'll go into, like, his own apartment. Supervised, yeah, living. And he's like, no, no, no, we can't be split up. I look after her.

And she's like, okay, well, maybe I'll see if Laura wants to look after you. Can you behave yourself for three months? Just like the energy of the like 19th century orphanage, like auditioning to look like you want to get adopted energy of this. Like having these kind of scenarios grounded in like a genuine, an in-universe reality, I think, already, like, sets you up for the heartbreak of something like this. Yeah. I don't know.

It's, like, we've already seen some fairly feel-bad bits shag. Like, does it get the... Like, is it all good from here? And I bet this is. Is Laura actually nice? Yeah, surprise. As Wendy says. I think you make a really good point in that this film, you know, we talk about on Spuco Feel

Bad Club, you know, the feeling of feeling bad. that this is why we watch these films because we enjoy the feeling of feeling bad. It's our spicy food. It's our roller coaster. Right. It's almost unfair. It's almost cheating to start with orphans,

one of which is already visually impaired and not popular. Like it's like, we're not starting at zero. We're starting at like minus 100. And it's only going to keep going down. Anyway, so there's a really nice scene before they go to meet Laura where they're under, the bed at the house where they were living and Piper's like, the place still smells like him

and he's like, well, why don't you take some of his clothes? And she's like, no, they've already been washed so they don't. And he's like, well, you should take his pillow instead. And then there's a plane and Andy sort of says, that's what happens when you die. And Piper's like, what do you mean? He's like, well, you don't like go to heaven or you don't whatever. You just get on a plane. It's a weird moment. It's not my favorite moment in the film. She's a bit old to be like, what way we do when we die? But you just go with it because it's a motif that comes back later on in the film. Yeah.

All right. So they are driven to meet Laura. Laura lives in, she lives in a, like, it's not rural. Like she's not on a farm, but she's in like one of those really leafy suburbs where you've got a big enough block of land that you can't see your neighbors. there's enough like trees and greenery around the nearest corner store the nearest like shops are probably like a 10 minute drive or you know not a 10 minute drive a 10 minute walk away a 5 minute drive away sort of thing it's that sort of vibe she's remote enough without it being in the middle of nowhere it's real tony soprano yeah with you when they walk in though and this is

so important because the philippa brothers do it so well for some reason they just have a knack of champing Australian music that deeply reverberates with Australians so as they're walking in you know you know that band like I'm not saying they're a good band but do you know Empire of the Sun

Yes So they have this single called Alive and if you play that on a dance floor in you know Australia like kids will go wild you know it's there's something about this song that like connects with Australian kids so playing this song walking in there's something really nice about it

And it's like, here's this song that these kids will definitely know and enjoy. So they walk in, we're listening to Empire of the Suns Alive, and we meet Laura. Sammy, what are your first impressions of Laura, played by Sally Hawkins? She's kooky. She's eccentric. I was like really listening. I was like, is she doing an Australian accent? Is she doing a British accent?

And then I was like, no, she's doing an Australian accent. And she's doing it well, apparently. Yes. But, yeah, just she comes on as, like, very bubbly, but like aggressively bubbly. She has a dog that she introduces them to, and then they quickly realize it's a taxidermy dog. And look, people are allowed to do whatever they want, and I am not somebody who judges. But there's just something, like, I don't, there's just something off about taxidermy. in any way just yeah like it's it's a corpse is the thing you forget about taxidermy of like oh

that's a corpse like they're actually rules and regulations about how you dispose of these things and you've got one just sitting on your like kitchen shelf yeah but if you if you do need a good laugh just google bad taxidermy and there's some really great that is a really good point so she it's pretty clear from the get-go that she's interested in piper she doesn't want anything to do with andy and from the beginning she is subtly undermining Andy's mental state and his fitness for looking after Piper in three months. Because in three months

Gaslighting a gaslighter. Let's go. Like she is the gaslighting queen. She is the gaslighting in this movie. I'm just like, if you want tips, like Sally Hawkins has it fucking down. What's that line? There's no such film as gaslight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she's basically like

Piper, you're amazing. You remind me of my daughter who was also blind and he asked what happened to the daughter she's like well she died and it's like a slightly awkward moment that laura's like you didn't know it's fine they go outside there's a cat the cat isn't super essential they accidentally let the cat out and cat's name is junk man that is actually great that's pretty fucking great so they accidentally let junk man out laura's like don't let junk man out so they have to go outside When they go outside, they find a pool. Now, obviously because podcasting is a audio medium, you can't see Sammy's background.

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We love backyard pools, which is weird because 90% of Australians live within 50Ks of a beach. It doesn't make any sense, but we're obsessed with pools. Hey, I don't like the beach. I love a pool. Man, like, we live a K and a half from the beach and we've got two pools. Like, it's fucking, like, we're idiots in Australia. Now, there's your brag. Like, we're the dumbest over here.

No, no, but Peach, you are the pool expert. Yeah. This pool behind you, look at this. This is maybe the worst design pool I've ever seen in my life. Like, can you tell us? What do you think about this pool? What's interesting is, if you want water to look blue, like, if you want it to look like your Fijian holiday or you're, like, Mexico.

holiday and you want it to look that kind of ice blue color you actually and here's the tip you want like cream or like white style background so this like this kind of background of the pool that um the fellow patrons and i um can see behind sammy right now is going to look a little bit sort of like yuck cocktail from the late 80s early 90s from one of those weird like curvy glasses with too many straws and too many bits of fruit poking out of it so too blue a naturally blue. Exactly, exactly. So if you want blue, you paint white or you paint cream.

Is that one of the big tips? Interesting. A very, very steep slope. I think shallow end too shallow, deep end, not deep enough. Yeah. And a bizarre kind of pizza slice shape. Weird shape. I don't know, where are you jumping into do a bomb?

If we're playing classic catches, which is the Australian game to play, where are you playing classic catches? Shag, where are you setting up to throw me a tennis ball so that I can jump into the pool, catch at midair and then like comedically splash. I can't see where I'm playing classic catches. Maybe over Sammy, your left shoulder there would be maybe jump from the pot plant. Shag sitting on the stairs. This pool is empty so you probably don't want to be jumping in it at all.

Well, well, well, well, well, well, it's challenging. Well, well, well, it's not completely empty. Because when Andy and Piper walk outside to find the cat, the cat is being held. by another child that's living at the house. And this child's name is Ollie. Sammy, yeah. Hey, that was amazing, what a reveal! Sign up on Patreon.

Yeah, let's go. I feel like there's already been like a little bit of body shaming in this pod, so I don't want to say it again, but this kid has maybe the largest forehead I've ever seen in my life. And I think that's part of why he looks creepy. I don't know, Sammy.

How, like, describe this first. time. I think he's actually like stunningly like a gorgeous child. Maybe that's also not okay to say. Everybody give your opinions on the appearance of this child. How hot is this kid? We'll talk about, because there's things, I don't want to get into it too much right now, but he's got like big eyes, but he has a, you see he has a little birthmark under his eye that we recognized in the opening video Russian like video oh okay so uh-oh so uh-oh so ollie is holding junk man you're right junk man is a perfect name for a cat yeah it's really really good Ollie is holding junk man in a way that feels threatening we don't know why there's just

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that say Kathy on the, like the room is basically left how it was left and she now has to go and live in this room and she doesn't really know because she can't necessarily see the room. So there's this added layer of her being forced into this role of Kathy without

necessarily agreeing to it. The other thing we noticed, about the house, sort of similar to the beginning of the film and that chalk circle. There's a large chalk circle that goes right around the perimeter of the house. And then there's just more weird shit happens. So at

night, when they're supposed to be asleep, Laura does stuff with Ollie. We don't really know what. We see from Andy's perspective, looking out the window of his broom closet, that they move towards this locked shed and then turn off the lights. There's also a moment where

you know, Ollie keeps trying to do things, and one of the things Laura says to him commonly is just not yet. Not yet. You need to wait. You need to be patient. Classic Russian behavior. Ollie also does not speak. Does not speak. Yeah, I don't like that. He doesn't speak, and she says that he's been mute since Kathy died. That's her explanation, or selectively mute. Okay. Meanwhile, Andy himself, Andy's dealing with his own, not only this whole situation, and he can't take showers because every time he goes inside

he sees his dad's corpse every time he goes inside. So he just, there's a couple of scenes where he's got the shower on but he can't go in because it's too triggering for him. Well, there's one scene where after he's like spent, I think it's like he's been there

two or three nights or something and he wakes up in the morning and looks down and he's peed his pants. His pants are wet. And so he's like, like has this like look of shame as he quietly sneaks to go do laundry and he's in the bathroom like with the shower running and he like he's like has pee on himself and he like has to shower and he like still can't bring himself to do my god that's devastating it's awful like and this

is kind of what I mean where it's like nothing supernatural has happened to any of these kids like no things are bad enough we're just punishing these kids these poor and poor Andy Andy is a beautiful boy. Like Andy, Andy loves, Andy loves Piper and like they have this really amazing sibling relationship. He's so sweet, yeah. Like, and Piper just pays him out.

Like, you know, she called him a petto at the bus stop at the start. Like, there's, there's a really nice dynamic, but she clearly does rely on him and he really does want to protect her. He'll probably succeed.

Sorry, that's my, I don't want to skip ahead, but I'm getting good advice. Yeah. Yeah, thanks going to be great. They go to their father's funeral. Piper asks, what does he look like? Because it's an open casket funeral.

And he can't look down. Can I just pause there for a moment, Shagg, and have a bit of a cultural chat. I've been to my fair share of funerals. I've been to three this year. Like, I've never seen or heard of an open casket funeral in Australia. In America, I think they happen. Do you guys, could you guys give some insight on this? This is a one jarring moment of an other one.

very Australian production for me. They do, I mean, they definitely happen here. Yeah, okay. I have never been to one, but yes, I know some people that have. Yeah, I have been. I don't think they're like super common, but they do happen. Been to two open casket. Oh, God.

Funerals. They do seem kind of crazy. But at the same time, I do also like. Yeah, I find it very upsetting personally. I understand wanting to like, yeah, to, to, to, to have. that closure, but yeah, at the same time, it's like, yeah, okay. Goey, have you ever been to an open casket funeral? No, I think that's a really good point.

I think it's usually the, the coffin is front and set up at the front of the church or at the front of the funeral home. Beautiful flowers on top. You know, there's giant funeral compounds where, like, there's like a 30 different buildings and you just go to a funeral in one of the building. Like, generally that's, they're the funerals I've been to, and it's, the casket is closed but the screens all around

either the church or the building have like a cherished photo of the person or is showing a montage of the person and I feel like that's more common I do think this I mean and you're right like this is very much a filmic device because it's really important

that he doesn't look at his dad and he lies to Piper and says no he looks really good because outside Laura spoils that and starts making really creepy remarks about... He looks fucked. How bad does he look?

No. She's like, I believe, like, it's really important for closure. You know, some people believe that the soul stays in the body for months after death. Well, she rats him out too. She's like, he didn't even look. Right? Yeah, because she's trying to undermine him to pipe up.

She's trying to be a wedge between. And a fun detail is that everyone's wearing black. It's a funeral. Laura is wearing bright purple like big colorful sunglasses colorful jewelry just as like an extra little like feels like a fuck you

to them. I didn't even notice that fuck that's funny that's such a good detail. She somehow manages to bring Andy by himself back to the coffin to basically force him to look and then she kisses the corpse on the lips it's worse than that

it's worse than that she turns to him first and says you have to kiss him it's custom and he's and he's like he's like I don't want to and he's like you can tell he's like so upset and like scared and she's like you have to do it it's custom it's custom for you to kiss and he like eventually really you could tell you really doesn't want to and he like kisses his dad's forehead and then she's like on the lips on the lips and he's like no it's like really weird obviously this is like completely unnecessary and her just like trying to make him uncomfortable so on the way home on the drive home

laura is the worst person at any funeral because there's always one person at a funeral who's like why do we culturally feel like funerals have to be sad occasions they should be a celebration of life, which is the last thing anyone grieving wants to hear really. And she asked them both, what do you like to do? Piper says, I just like to tease Andy. And Andy says, I want to get hammered. And because she's the worst foster parent ever, she's like, cool, let's get hammered. And they have a sort of three-person house party at their house that night. Before I hand over to Sammy to do the rest of this synopsis, there's one final detail I want to talk about this. So They essentially, they start getting drunk.

Andy is trying to protect Piper. Like, Piper's like, I want to try a shot too. And he's like, just one. And she has it. And she's like, that's gross. And he's like, that's your last one. And Laura's like, no, it's your first one, which is kind of true, but also weird and gross and everything.

And they have this nice, I guess, moment where it feels like they're all sort of coming together. It's a party montage where they're drinking and singing and dancing. There's a moment where, where they're listening to music and it's either Piper or Andy's like let's sing Dad's Song and Laura's like, what's Dad's Song?

Now Sammy, have you heard this song before? What about me? I don't think so. All right. So this is one of those like, only if you live in it. Like this is such a big part of Australian contemporary culture.

I wish it wasn't. It just is. The most popular season of Australian Idol was season one. Happened in 2004. we still know about it. We still, the two, the, it's, it was such a big moment. There's some crazy stat, like a third or half of Australia watched the final.

Like, it's crazy. It was such a big thing. Yeah. And it's so big that we know both the winner and the runner up. So the winner, Guy Sebastian, went on to have a reasonably successful, I guess, Christian music career. Okay. And the runner up, Shannon Noll is this, like, he basically lent into his like, Bogan, Australia. sort of vibe, wearing sort of blue wife beaters, which is like the unofficial, I guess,

uniform of the Australian Bogan guy. Shag, do you want to give context to Bogan for Too Scary, didn't watch listening? I don't know how to say, like, it's probably a very classist thing to say. It's the very like, when people say like, good-a-mate, the sort of, the, the, the, the, the, the, the sort of less living in a. Very broad, like, Anglo-Australian culture. There's a class element to it as well. Outside of the cities.

Like a redneck energy. Yeah. Right. It's kind of like, but I think generally the term bogan is less, it's usually less insulting, really. Like, I mean, it can be used as a very classless insult, but usually it's just a way of describing a section of Australia or a way people act.

And everyone, you know, I don't know, there's, there's, we have, we have this really famous sitcom called Catherine Kim, which was all about like leaning in to the boganness of Australia. Yeah, well, that's, that's, That's it, right? Like, that's Bogan. Okay.

And so he was basically, like, really lent into this Bogan energy. And he couldn't really sing. Like, he was a terrible singer, but Australia celebrates mediocrity. So, of course, someone who couldn't sing made it to the second place in Australian Idol Season 1. And he sang this song. Now, it was originally a hit in the 80s, and he did a cover of it called What About Me? And it is a cheesy, dumb song. It starts with this moment where.

where it's like, like, it was written literally about, like, the singer saw a, like, a young child in a store being avoided by the shopkeeper. And, like, the first verse is like, there's a kid sitting in a corner store. And, like, but then it gets the chorus and it's like, what about me? It isn't fair. I've had enough and I want my, it is, it is a song that every Australian knows because Shannon Noll sang it in the final. of Australian Idol season one. So... It's like a moment like this

by Kelly Clarkson. It's Kelly Clarkson. He's, like... I guess it's Justin, what's his face. I don't know what he's saying, though. That's very funny. But it's weird. So like them singing What About Me

and that being Dad's song, that is a thing. That's not just some random song. I just thought anyone who's not Australian watching it would be like, what the fuck is this? Miss went right over my head. I love to know that context. That's very funny.

So Piper passes out, Laura and Andy seemingly have a bit of a heart to heart where Laura talks about how she just wants to hear her daughter call her mom again, even though she's dead. And Andy talks about he did get into trouble when he was eight because when their parents got together, he describes his dad finally having the, like he felt like his dad finally had the family he wanted. The dad clearly favored Piper over him. Used to beat him when Piper couldn't hear. Talks about these stories of like, you know, he'd turn the shower on

so he could hit Andy without Piper hearing. And so when he was really young, he hit Piper. When he was eight, he hit Piper because he was jealous. Andy hit Piper, yeah. So Andy hit Piper when he was jealous. And so I guess he's been making up for it ever since. And now he's 18. And he's really his sister's protector.

But I'm going to throw over to you, Sammy, to take it from here. Oh, my God. Yeah, it's pretty devastating. And Laura does look, like, pretty genuinely. sympathetic. We're nervous about her having that information in this moment. But yeah, it's not going to last long. Andy also goes up to bed at some point. And we've seen he's been lifting weights and working out a little bit throughout this and drinking like a powder. I don't if it's like creatine or protein powder or something. But we've also seen Laura pick up the bottle

that he uses to put it in and so we see him passed out and she goes into his room and grabs the bottle and kind of like shakes him and he's like passed out in a way that I think we're pretty it seems like she has drugged him he's they did drink a lot but I feel like he's like out out like unconscious out and so she walks to her room goes into the bathroom pulls out a measuring cup, squats down, pees in it, and goes back to Andy's room. It's bad. Goes back to Andy's room and pours it on his crotch. And so he has not been peeing his pants.

She has been peeing into a cup and pouring it on him. All right. Here we fucking go. Let's go. Let's go. Really, really horrible. Then she uses his face to unlock his phone and goes through and deletes all of the photos he's taken. Any photos of Ollie or the house, just anything since he's been there, basically.

And then she hears a noise outside and sees through the window that Ollie and Junk Man are outside again. Ollie is holding Junk Man. She kind of has a little look of ocean. Shit, I got to get out there. So she runs down, cut straight to her giving Ollie a bath. And she's saying things to him. This shag is probably where you were still like, what is? Because this scene for me, I was like, I don't know what's happening.

She's saying, I know you're hungry. You just have to wait a little bit longer. Ollie, again, not responsive, looking like hunched over, kind of sinister. his eyes get like progressively more red throughout the movie almost like a like a vampire type of thing and she says are you are you in there is this part of it he turns to look at her and he's she says like how do I know that you're in there and then the faucet the sink faucet behind her turns on like full blast as he turns to look at her something supernatural is happening the room is filling up with steam really quickly and uh laura is looking around wide-eyed like clearly something

is going on and then in the reflection we see ollie kind of leaned back groaning at first like and then we look away for a second and then cut back and there's like the quickest little flash of allie as like a full satanic demon not even hiding it like horns like the whole like red skin the whole deal. And then the mirror shatters and we look back and he's back, back to normal. And did Laura see it? Well, she don't. I don't sure, actually. Yeah. It's just for us. I think it's more for the, for us to see. I think there's probably a couple of things to note here as well. I, I wrote down so many of her quotes because her lines in this film are chilling. Like they write the best lines. So she, before the force had turned on, she said, how can I believe you're in there if I can't see you? And

And we don't know what's going on and we're like, what the fuck? She also seems to be controlling him with circles. So she uses either her thumb or a forefinger to draw circles on his head or his forehead. And that seems to control. We don't know what it's doing, but it seems to pacify him and control him. Can I just pause here for a moment to raise a discussion point that I've heard raised elsewhere? I think it was on an episode of the Bechdelcast that was dealing with. with hereditary that was like, if you take out Paymon and the magic shit, it's almost scarier.

Right. And I'm sort of almost half running this rule over this film of like, okay, yeah, we've just had, like, we've just found out it's evil Satan shit. And it's like, well, I'm not sure how, well, we're probably about to find out how much scarier it is, but I thought I'd like float that sort of question for us to sort of reflect on as we work through of like, man, it's pretty fucking. grim thus far the gas lighting the urine yeah yeah yeah it's not good uh so the next morning andy wakes up embarrassed again kind of shaking it off like can't believe he drank so much we know

obviously what really happened we get a quick shot i hate to say it of junk man uh walking through the living room leaving a trail of blood and his half of his tail has been bitten off. Oh, my God. And it shows like the bloody stump of it. Oh, sorry, sorry, I had to say. It's good, but it's really good effects. I think it would be very hard to show that on a, like a cat.

Like, I'm not, like, I don't think cats are great actors, and I think they do a job. Yeah. Except for the cat in a quiet place, day one. That cat is a good actor. Those two cats. Two cats. Both cats.

Those are good cat actors. Schnitzel and Nico. Wow, I remember their names. Let's go. Shout out. So Laura is about to take Piper out for lunch or something. They're about to leave when she sees Andy taking his sheets to the laundry again. And she's like, oh, let me grab those for you.

And then like pretends to discover the P for the first time and is like, Andy, are you okay? Like, I'm really worried about you. like you're really going through something and then you should go take a shower and she says something to Piper like last night Andy got a little aggressive I'll tell you more about it in the car so she's like planting little things in Piper's mind too of like Andy's having this bad reaction and becoming someone that Piper is not as familiar with and you see this shot so devastating of Andy, once again, in the shower, turns it on, can't get in. He's having, like, flashbacks of Piper giving their dad mouth to mouth through, like, blood and vomit is awful.

And he turns off the shower and goes outside and washes himself and like the, with like the hose outside. And Ollie is watching him from a window. We saw Laura lock Ollie in the room. Whenever she leaves, she's just like, okay, lock. Locking Ollie in the room now. And it's really important. So as she's leaving, she's like, Ollie has been,

like she says, she gives some excuse where it's like, Ollie's being a real nightmare this morning, so keep him in his room. Don't let him out of his room. Yeah. But Andy sees him and kind of takes pity on him and is like,

I'm going to go let him out. Like, we're living in the same house. We're kind of like de facto family right now. I'm going to go like, try to have a little moment with Ollie. So he picks the lock to the door, lets Ollie out, takes him to the kitchen. He's like, are you hungry?

He grabs a big knife and starts cutting up a melon. Okay, all right, there's a really famous Gaspar no film. I can't remember which one. But just before the very end, just before he gets really fucked up, this note on the screen comes on and says you have 30 seconds to leave the cinema. And then it counts down from 30 to 1, and then the movie just gets completely fucked up. And I feel the same way about this pot. Like, you've heard he's cutting rock melon with a knife.

You've got to, if you need to just pause now and wait until... Like, you know it's not going anywhere good. Yeah, here you've seen it. Yeah, so just, yeah. It's like an inversion of the movie chef that I watched with, like, with a family recently where like one mildly bad thing happens at the start. You know, 10 minutes in, and then the balance of the film was like a victory lap. I'm like, oh, nothing bad happens again.

Don't worry. Yeah, this is the opposite. It's different. Yeah, okay. He's like trying to communicate with Ollie. He's like gives him a little pat of paper. He's like maybe... How old does it seem like Ollie is to like...

He's probably 12, I don't know. Okay. Like 10 to 12. A young boy. Sammy, I thought you were going to say 8. He looks older than 8. I think he's older than 8. You know, I'm getting a little bit identified.

I don't know how schools work in, in America. He's probably in year 8 in Australia. So what's that about 12, 13? 13, 14. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, like a little pre-teen-looking kid. Got it, got it.

And so Andy gives him a piece of papers, like trying to communicate with him. He's like, well, write down something. And if I'm going to cut up this melon for you, I want to, like, find out something about you. And he cuts off a piece of melon and pokes the knife into it and, like, extends it out on the knife to Ollie. and Ollie just grabs the whole knife like wraps his hand around the blade and he says no no no just grab it off there and Ollie like has the knife in his hand now

and Andy's let go of it and he's like I'm just going to get you a plate and Andy ducks down below the the like kitchen island to search for a plate and he's like muttering and just like oh yeah let me get you this place and just hang on a second and then as he comes back up Ollie is

absolutely chowing down right on the blade the blade is vertical in his mouth his teeth are like being chopped by the blade he's like biting right onto the blade his teeth are like falling out the blade starts like chopping up

into his gums and then like through his lips and the effects of it are look so crazy this is one of the points where jena said this is the worst thing i've ever seen and i will never recover from this it's so fucking gnarly and i don't know how they did these like practical effects because it looks so fucking real to take a step out of the grossness of it like i think that's really important like this is not an expensive movie it's a 15 million budget they don't have a lot of effects but what they're able like what they're able to achieve in

terms of making you feel bad and discerb, like, they don't shy away from showing this kid eating this knife. They don't show away on what this knife is doing to his gums, his teeth, his lips, his nose. His face is being mangled as he eats this knife. It is, it's such a simple, small scene, and it is, it's one of the worst things I've ever seen. The same. And it's one of those things that you're like, wow, nobody's ever done that before. I've never seen anybody Sammy, can I pick you up on that, right, of like, I'm getting increasingly, like, anti-AI, like, to me, this is the best submission for, like, anti-AI creativity, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We're all sitting around, we've been talking about these films for the best part of a decade. Uh-huh. And there's an element of, like, you're literally here saying, I've never seen anything like that before. Shag, you've never been as disturbed. No. I, like, I could barely sit through that. I did not think that's where that was going. Not at all.

Yeah. Like, it's just amazing where, you know, non-fucking bot creativity, shag, like, whatever you watch hard eyes, like, you know, you hold these two films alongside each other. Right. And, yeah, you realize the value of creativity here.

While some kid cuts his face off. Only a human brain, not an AI brain, can literally create something that hasn't been out there before because that's the point of AI is to replicate. And a human can go, what if he eats the knife? Oh, my God. Oh, okay, so, okay, so this is bad for Andy.

Andy is really bad for Andy. Panicking, grabs Ollie, runs outside. Andy has a car, Andy's 17, so he, like, has his car that he can drive, and he's obviously trying to take Ollie to the hospital because he's extremely wounded. And I'm guessing Ollie's, like, not screaming, Ollie's, like, not acting, like, he's in pain. screaming until as they as he is taking him outside of the house they approach that white line that is drawn a circle around the house and as they're getting closer to the line all he starts screaming like no no no no no no and he's digging his heels he's barefoot and it's like gravel

and he's just like digging his heels in the gravel like screaming not to be taken over the line and and he doesn't understand what's happening obviously and takes him over the line oh god and Ollie starts just convulsing, screaming, kicking, like choking. His face is like getting all red and like blood vessels are bursting. And he lifts up his shirt and sees like something is moving inside of his stomach. Like something's inside of him. And then at that moment, Laura and Piper get home, Laura jumps out of the car as like, why is he outside? Don't you take, why did you take him outside and like grabs him and and brings him back in and he is obviously like having a full panic attack just kind of stunned and breathing heavily as piper is like soothing him and she kind of leads him

in that to like sit down and he's just like breathing heavily and can't really talk and she's like stroking like it's okay it's okay it's okay and he's like sitting at the kitchen counter and sees that on the pad of paper that he had given Ollie, Ollie wrote Bird. Good, good mystery. I just want to say, like, when I saw that, I was like, oh, like, what could that mean? What is it?

At this point, I still had no idea what the fuck was going on. Yeah. Wow. Oh, God. Really tough times for Andy. Really tough times for Andy. We see Laura with Ollie in her room watching these. Russian tapes again as if they're like a little instruction manual and she's like desperately

searching like, what do I do? What do I do? What do I do? And at this point, Ollie is still not like back to, Ollie's like, ah, help me. Ah, like really not dealing. Olly is clearly now feeling the pain of what happened to his face. Yes. Yes. Oh, okay. And there's a moment where he turns to her and says, who are you? Where am I? Like, please don't hurt me. Oh, no. Oh, no. And, and, But she's still doing the circle. Yeah, she cranks up the music so that Andy and Piper can't hear. And then she starts doing a little circle motion on his head again until he kind of returns to the previous state of just little, like, vacant. That's pretty much the worst of it now, Dades, I think.

Uh, uh, I don't know. We'll decide at the end. Oh, and how close are we to the end? Yeah, yeah, good question. We're probably two-thirds. Okay. But there's still some pretty bad stuff coming. Sure.

So, yes, we saw earlier that Laura had cut off a piece of Andy and Piper's father's hair from the funeral. And at this point, she feeds that hair to Ollie. A lot of talk of Ollie being, like, hungry. and you just have to, like, wait. Yeah. And Andy is now knocking at the door, asking if we can go to the hospital. Like, doesn't all I need to go to the hospital? Laura's like, you need to, you've done enough.

Like, leave us alone. And, like, we need privacy and just not, she's not going to be taking him to the hospital, obviously. Like, imagine, imagine Paddington just harmlessly handing someone a marmalade sandwich on a knife. And then that person, like, Like the pool thing. Anyway, sorry. Continue. So Andy, like seemingly finally works up the courage to take a shower and gets in the shower.

It's all steamy and foggy. And he hears something and turns and sees like a figure walking in. And as it gets closer to the glass, he sees that it is his dad. and his dad just leans forward and says, The rain, she'll die in the rain. And Andy gets so freaked out that he slips and smacks his head really hard. And we're seeing his dad's face like coming down towards him. His dad's still looking as he did when he died.

Also a little bit mixed with the way Ollie looks with kind of like bulging red eyes, but still like covered in blood and vomit. really scary imagery. And then Andy kind of screams back into consciousness in a hospital now. And there's doctors and nurses around him trying to calm him down, restraining him a little because he's like flailing and freaking out. And he's saying like, where is she? My sister, she's going to die.

She's going to die in the rain. They're pinning him back and saying like, just like trying to calm him down. And we see that it is raining outside. And that's like adding to him freaking out. out more and more. Yeah, and I think, I think there's, there's, this movie is so complete, you know, like all the, all the strands come together really, really seamlessly, that it's kind of hard to explain it.

Like, one of the things we've missed in this telling is that earlier on, Laura was looking, you know, one of the nights when everyone was asleep and she'd just watched the Russian films again, she was looking at a weather app and saw that it was going to be raining, and she looks really happy about the rain. And then later on, in the pool in the backyard, she paints a lot of, line. She just simply just paints a line somewhere, almost like a water line of where... Like a Max-Fill liner type of thing. Yeah, yeah. So then you add that to him being like she'll die in the rain and everything's sort of

coming together at this moment. Yeah, and we see now Laura and Piper at home, we see the pool filling up with rain in the back. And Laura is watching a home video of Kathy. like, nostalgically, like, sad, sadly watching this video and remembering her daughter, Piper Waxon. Is this like the parenting analogy of the, like, the dead spouse rolling around under the sheets kind of image that you get in your... It's that. And it's as badly shot as well.

Like, it's, like, I don't understand how, like, they're always, like, moving cameras instead of, like, a fixed camera. It's always like, you can barely see Kathy, like, you see half of their heads. Oh, I'm having fun at the playground, Mommy. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, exactly. But there is a moment in this home video where we hear Laura's voice in the video say like, Ollie, come over here and pan to a kid with red curly hair that is not at all this kid that we have been seeing named.

So, uh-oh. Then we see Laura is at Andy's bedside at the hospital, visiting him and like taunting him. She says- Boring piss on him and that kind of stuff. Yeah, so luckily not that right now, but almost, almost worse, because he's still panicking about the rain. And she's being very dismissive and flat. And she says, do you think maybe you're scared of the rain because your dad died in the shower when I killed him? And he says, like, yeah.

He says, yeah, what is that? I thought I'd, I thought I'd hallucinated that moment. Yes. And he thinks he's imagining it. And he's like, what? And she's like, do you think maybe you're scared of the rain? your dad died in the shower. And he even says, like, he's like, what's happening to me? And she's like, yeah, you hit your head really hard. Like, you're probably, they got to make sure your,

your head's not filling up with liquid. She says something like, really, I don't know, just not comforting at all like that. And he asks her, like, please just promise you'll keep Piper inside. She's like, okay, fine, I promise. Cut to Piper and Laura dancing in the rain outside. She is now dressed. Piper in Kathy's clothes, styling her hair the same way Kathy's hair was styled, asking her, do you like it here? Piper says, yeah. Do you want to call me mom?

He right. And Piper says, yeah, I like it here. And she says, do you like it here enough to maybe stay here when your brother turns 18? And she's like, oh, I was pretty excited about getting a place with my brother and me in my head right now. I'm like, oh, well, there goes Andy. Yeah. That's the moment there.

so she's like okay and she takes her into this uh because they're dancing out by the pool she takes her into this little pool house shed thing locked shed and says i want to show you something and walks her over to one of those like coffin-shaped freezers and has her reach in and touch something and we see this thing is not looking great we're having it's looking like human flesh of some sort. We can't quite tell what body part it is. But eventually we realize it's a knee and the camera pulls out eventually to reveal that it's, yeah, just Kathy's body frozen in this freezer. Yeah. Laura then has to pick, Andy gets discharged from the hospital and we hear Laura bitching and moaning about it being like, you had a psychotic break and

they just discharged you like we could be in danger like she's so mad that she has to take him home and he i think like she's still drugging him there's like a scene where he works out and drinks that protein shake again and he's like kind of zoning out and staring off into space and uh laura is in her room watching these russian tapes again and for the first time we get we see some words in the tapes. As these people are performing this very gory, scary ritual, it says recreate the death as we see someone being hung. And then it says, eat the body. And we see the girl with the birthmark on her eye eating the body of the guy that was like covered with a sleeping bag type of thing. And then it says, purge the soul into new body. And we see that. And we see

the girl walk over to another body and vomit like black goo into this body's mouth. And all this stuff looks, you probably could guess, but it looks so nasty and gross. It's like absolutely foul. Classic Russian behavior of that, yeah. Well, I mean, to speak to that, one of my favorite things about this film, I don't know if I like it or don't like it, but I think I like it. And I think I like it enough that it's one of my faves is that they never really. I don't know if I like it or not

Yeah I don't know I mean it's it's it's kind of What's fun to have a big reaction to a movie It's I always feel like it's worth something If I have feel a lot of feelings Yeah and they don't really explain Where Laura got these tapes Like yes

And it's probably worth noting at no point Are you gonna find out Who gave her these tapes? Yeah like what this is yeah And I think they did that well with talk to me too Where it's just like we don't need to explain the mythology behind what's happening, you just get enough to kind of understand what's happening in this moment, not what's led up necessarily to this moment in the journey

of this ritual, but yeah, just the way it's being used right now. Here we are. Yeah, so when it does reveal the ritual, like, that's as much as you're going to get about what this ritual is and who these people are. Yeah. yeah so that night Laura this part's

can you believe it really horrible I think this is worse than the knife yes I think this might be worse than the knife okay Laura is in Piper's room Kathy's room she watches her like all the time

she's always kind of like creepily outside just watching her and this is now in the middle of the night Piper is asleep Laura is standing at the side of her bed looking at her, kind of stroking her hair, tucks her hair behind her ears. And then looks like she's about to leave. And then you see her body like thrust and she punches Piper as hard as she fucking can in the face. It's so, and this is a thing that I was like, how did they film? Again, it just like looks like she just hit this girl in the face so

fucking hard. And Piper immediately, like, starts screaming and, like, is, like, saying who's there, who's there? And, like, Andy's, like, drugged in the other room, kind of hearing it, but not quite waking up. Laura, you know, just leaves the room, and you just hear Piper, like, screaming in pain by herself in the room. It's so upset. Jesus. Next morning, Andy wakes up, groggy. post being drugged again, presumably, and Laura and Piper, Laura's like comforting Piper, we don't see Piper's face yet, but it's clear that something happened in the night,

obviously, we saw it, and Laura sees Andy and is like, you, you hit her, you hit your sister and, like, show him, Piper, show him, and Piper turns and has like a very, very gnarly black eye, and... I hate her so much. I just, she plays this role so well. She's despicable. It's really despicable. She starts saying like you're abusive just like your dad was.

You butcher dolly's mouth. You've been seeing your dead dad. You're having a psychotic break. You hit your sister. You probably killed the cat. And Andy is like trying to, he's like, what? No, like, I don't know what's happening. Piper, like, please, like, don't.

Like, she's lying. And Piper's, like, very confused and is like, I don't know who hit me. me, but I smelled you, she said, so I kind of didn't totally understand that, but I'm guessing Laura was, like, wearing some of Andy's clothes or something. No, one of the things she does is, is she, before she hits him, and this is what makes it so despicable, she's in her pajamas, while Andy's drugged, she picks up his body spray and sprays it all over herself. And you're like, what the fuck is she doing? And so when she goes in to punch him, you know that she's framed him.

Yes. And so Andy is all like getting all mixed up and freaked out in this confrontation. And then he notices Ollie outside looking real bad. Ollie's physical transformation in this movie is really difficult to describe. And as I was watching, I was like, how the fuck am I going to describe this? And this is where I want to bring back the forehead because they specifically make his forehead like bigger. and bigger, like, his head is, like, bulging in these scenes, but it's, like, just enough that it's kind of, just feels like bizarro, like, is that? Uncounty Valley kind of energy. Yes, exactly. It's, it's hard to tell what is different, but you just know this kid does not look right. Like, things are bulging that shouldn't be.

Well, and his mouth still all fucked up? His mouth is definitely all fucked up. Okay. And he just, and the way he's dressed, he just wears a pair of red board shorts and nothing else. Oh, yeah. He's always barefoot. Yeah, he's always barefoot.

So you see his whole body change. That's it. You don't just see his face change. It's like he's becoming more and more monstrous with every subsequencing. Yeah. And Andy obviously sees something is wrong, goes to take a photo. And there's a cool effect in the photo where the water, because it's raining outside. And as the water is like going across the window, you again see Ollie as like little peaks of demon horns.

sort of like satanic horns and he takes a picture laura goes to snatch the phone out of his hand and he like goes to grab it back and laura just has like a huge reaction as if andy has just like attacked her and he's like screaming like Andy no Andy please don't hit me don't don't like that sort of thing and Piper is hearing all of this hide her and Andy's like I'm not I'm not just giving my phone back and and he's like trying as hard as he can to like be rational in this situation, but she's like goading him so much being like, Ah, Andy, you're out of control. And eventually he does lose his temper and he like punches a hole in the wall.

He doesn't hit her, but he's just like freaking the fuck out. But then at this moment, I feel like you see that Laura's like, this is what she wanted. She like wanted something. A reaction out of him, proof to like be able to be like you're violent, just like your dad. And to put enough doubt in Piper's mind that in this moment, Andy tries to say, Piper, we need to leave. We need to get out of here. And Piper, like, stays with Laura, goes to Laura's side and is like, I don't, I'm not going to leave.

The wedges complaint. Yeah. She's split them up. So Andy gets in his car. He drives to the police station and asks for Wendy. And as he's in the waiting room, he sees a poster on the wall for. a missing child that is Ollie and this says

Missing Child Connor Bird Remember when he wrote Bird? You think it's going to be a bird But he was writing his last name Oh my God No Would have been helpful if he was like I am the missing child Connor Bird

My name is Connor Bird This is not my home I'm the victim of this weird spell Please help Yes we see Laura dropping off Piper at like a YMCA type place kind of being like, okay, I need to like take care of some shit. Yeah, so she plays this game called Goal Ball,

which I hadn't heard of until this film. But I think they do a lot of, they do a lot of really good research these brothers. Like everything's so complete. So Gole Ball is a sporting game that as far as I know, doesn't actually have any equivalent outside. Like it's not like based on another game. It's a new game for visually impaired people. Teams of three play against each other with these balls

that have like bells in them so you can hear them. And it's all about getting the ball into the other team's goal. It was cool. It's like blind cricket. I don't know if you guys have ever played. No, but you see like her feeling things in the ground for like vibrations too. It's cool. So Laura drops her off there and is like, okay, bye.

You see you later. I got some shit to do. We see Andy gets into. to talk to Wendy and he is like pacing back and forth like she's she's crazy she stole this kid and was kidnapped this kid. Did you any do any checks at all on her before you sent us there and Wendy says yeah she worked here for 20 years like she's a wonderful person and we see at the house back at the house Ollie first we just see like from the hallway into the kitchen,

just like cartons of milk being thrown and boxes of cereal and just all this food like flying through the air. Oh, he wants to eat the body. Laura is approaching Ollie and we get a look at him now with his belly getting a little more protruded. Oh, no.

And he's just, yeah, just looking so scary. This little boy actor, I want, we, Jenna and I had to watch interviews with the little boy actor afterwards to make sure he was okay and he's fine. He deserves an Oscar, like all, everyone in this film, like the performances are phenomenal. Yeah. So, Laura is nervously approaching him. Clearly, he is getting too hungry.

She has made him wait too long. And he attacks her, bites her forearm really, like a really gnarly chunk out of her forearm. She's screaming And his mouth is all fucked up His mouth is like Yeah his teeth are like Little razor teeth now Because they're like

Demon E teeth Down to points Oof And She is able to lock herself in a room And like get a door between them He's trying to break it down

But he can't And she's kind of collapsing on the floor She seems like she's probably losing A lot of blood And Another horrible scene Because it's all been fine until that was all good.

Ollie goes back into the kitchen and just starts eating a table, like a wooden table. You just get a shot of him biting into the side of the table so hard that now the teeth are just like popping out. Oh. And I mean, it's such a small detail considering teeth popping out, but the table obviously is splintering.

It's that sort of wood where it immediately turns into like a thousand sharp spikes. and they're all just going into his mouth and coming out of it. Like, it's just a kid eating a table, and yet it's as horrific as it could possible. It's just a kid eating a table. Just a kid eating a table. How bad it would it be?

And then he starts eating his own arm. And he pulls off like a strip. It looks like it's like a vein underneath. It pulls out like, and he's like knowing at his wrist. It's so... intense. And, uh, Laura kind of is coming to in the room and doing a little tourniquet situation, wrapping her arm up as best as she can. And then she sees through the window that Ollie has gone outside and using her bloodied hand, she smacks her window on the

glass, gets his attention, and just starts drawing circles with her bloody hand. And it does enough to get him back to her more under her control type of thing or whatever's going on there. He comes back to the glass and kind of calms down. I wrote down here, and the best way that I can think of to describe how Ollie looks right now is I feel like he looks like in movies when people die in space. That's really good. Like his face is just like that floaty bloated kind of pressure eyes.

Yes, it's like his face is like purple. the skin is like stretching as it's like too big his eyes are bulging and like bloodied I think that's that's a good way to describe his face and then in terms of his body if you've ever played one of those like RPG video games where you're like a knight or whatever and you're taking on demons and there's usually this like one sort of imp that just if you kill it it just gets rid of like it's carrying lots of treasure and the way they work they're not like they're a thing you have to chase This looks like one of those, like, treasure-carrying imps in, like, Diablo form.

So now that he is calm again, Laura goes out and leads him to the poolhouse freezer, and they walk in there. We cut back to Wendy and Andy. He's been able to convince her, like, let's just go there. Please just, like, let me show you, like, things are not good. And she's like, okay, fine, we'll go and check it out. So they pull up and Wendy says, like, I'll go in. You stay in the car. And he like knows something bad is going to happen.

So he right afterwards gets out of the car and kind of sneaks around the back by the pool just to keep an eye on whatever's going on. And on the drive there, he had called and left a message for Piper saying, you know, I love you and I'm sorry. that I lied to you about dad, I didn't want to, I didn't want you to know that the world could like be a bad place or a scary place and I, it's true, I did, I hit you when I was eight and it's like the most regret I've ever felt about anything and like I just, I love you so much and I like promise that Laura is bad and she's hiding it from you. the way dad hit it from you, but like, I'm going to make everything okay type of thing. And he's, like, crying. It's really heavy. And of course, we see that it is not Piper listening

to this message. It is Laura with Piper's phone. And at the end of the message, Wendy chimes in and is like, okay, like, we're almost there or something, enough to tip off Laura, obviously, that they're coming. So she does the old quick clean, uh, everything. Everything's fine. Make it all look good. Nothing to see here. It'd be a good ad for like cleaning products to be like, what do we do? They're coming to check on me. And so now Wendy knocks at the front door and Laura is like in a robe and a towel wrapped around her hair as if she's just gotten out of the shower and she's playing all dumb and innocent and like, oh, what's going on? And she's like, oh, you know, Andy's said some things and I just have to check it out. She's like, of course, of course, come in.

And Andy is around back, goes to the pool house, knows something's up in there, grabs like a bird bath to smash the lock on the door to get in. And what does he find in there? But Ollie eating Kathy, just quite a sight. Specifically her face. Specifically her face. Just going straight to her face, just eating her face. And we cut back to Wendy and Laura and Laura seemingly has done a good job convincing Wendy that everything's fine.

And she's like, yeah, showing her each of the rooms. Like, yeah, I think he's just, you know, pretty traumatized and going through a really hard time. But everything's fine here. And Wendy's like, I'm so sorry to have to come here. And she's like, oh, no problem. Happy ending just around the corner, though. this is good yeah yeah Wendy's like yeah yeah yeah and then and then Laura like wipes her face and wipes blood all over herself and Wendy is like uh uh uh Laura you're bleeding and see's like oh

you're bleeding a lot and Laura drops the act and is like Wendy we're like we're friends right I can tell you like what's really happening we're friends and like there's there's this was crazy. I like, I didn't think it was going to work, but it's been working. Like, we're going to bring her back. Allie's going to bring Kathy back. Like, Kathy's coming back. And Wendy obviously now is like, oh, God. Andy was right. And she is able to pull herself free from Laura's like gripping on to her desperately being like, we're bringing her back. We're going to bring her back. and Wendy runs downstairs, sees Andy outside, Andy, like, calls her over, is like, look at this.

Definitely look at this. Let's get more eyes on this. You got to check this thing out. And she does and sees Ollie and Kathy, and then they're both like, let's fucking get out of here. They're running to the car. You think they're about to make it when they are just absolutely mowed down by Laura in her has gotten into her car and she just like smashes them into their car so like pins them

between we see that uh Wendy is dead but we see that Andy is badly injured but still alive and his head is kind of half tilted to the side half in a in a puddle from the rain and Laura walks over and pushes his head down, face down, into the puddle and drowns him. Then she goes to pick up Piper. Everything is great. Oh, my God. Okay, Piper, time to come home. And Piper kind of immediately knows something is up, and they get into the house,

and there's a cell phone that rings. That is not anybody that lives there. It's Wendy's cell phone. but so Piper is like whose cell phone is that and Laura's like it's mine I changed my ring tone do you like it so fun right ha ha ha and then we're hearing Andy's voice calling out to Piper

just calling her name and this sucks because you're like even at this point I was like maybe Andy's still alive maybe he did maybe he didn't drown like it's not just like hoodwinking Piper it's hoodwinking everyone here because you really don't want Andy to die yeah and she followed

the voice up to a room and it is Ollie and she goes right up to him and is like feeling his face which is as we've previously established like not the right shape. She's really bulbous and she knows it's obviously not Andy. Laura comes in and is saying oh that's just Ollie come on come downstairs I have to show you something again, like, come with me. And she's leading Piper downstairs. Piper is looking suspicious, trying to piece together what's going on in her mind. And she says, what color is Ollie's hair? We've just seen her feel his head, which is like shaved. Then there's like, you know, no hair. And he's like, she says, it's red and thick and curly. And that's what she has been saying because that's what the previous Ollie's hair looked like that we saw in the home video.

And this lets Piper know, okay, she's full of shit, I'm in danger, Piper bolts. But she can't see. And so she's like running, she's been in the house, you know, she's lived there. So she has some familiarity with it, but not necessarily in a like running for your life type capacity. So she's trying to get out the door, but can't get out fast enough. So she locks herself in a bathroom. And we see, unfortunately, in this bathroom is Andy's dead body. God damn it.

That's potentially been eaten a little bit by Olli who has somehow gained the power to speak in his voice and we think that's why. Yeah. And she feels his face and recognizes him the way that she did with her dad just weeks ago. This poor kid. This poor kid.

She's crying. Laura gets in and says like, oh, Andy had an accident. accident. I'm so sorry. But I have to tell you something. I'm really excited. I was scared to tell you before, but I met an angel. I spoke to an angel. Can I, can I? Because I, because I, the lines of dialogue she says in this are unbelievable. And so this is pretty much verbatim. And I hope you both never want to sleep again because this is, this is probably, this is probably one of the creepiest things I've heard anyone say in a film.

So she says, I've spoken with an angel. He does beautiful things. I put the angel in Olly, and he's going to put Kathy in you. And Piper at this says, what are you going to do to me? And Laura says, I'm going to drown you in the pool now. And Piper throws like a soap dish or something at Laura's head gets her bong are real good. Let's go it.

She's good at Gall Bowl. Go to golebo. Go to throwing sex. Yeah, exactly. Runs right out of the bathroom, but unfortunately, immediately slams really hard into like a metal structural pole thing

and knocks herself out. So Laura is now dragging her unconscious into the pool. Ollie's following. His belly is huge now, just like the man in the beginning. And they're all getting in the water. when Laura starts drowning Piper, pushing her down,

and Piper kind of regains consciousness to being drowned and is fighting back and like able to get, this isn't going as smoothly as Laura hoped. She's like pushing her down and she keeps getting back up to take another breath. And there's this change in Laura's character here, which I think like just adds to the depth of how well this performance is from Sally Hawkins.

So as she's trying to, trying to drown her. She says something along the lines of, just do this for me, love. Like, she's not being like, I'm, I have no emotion. She's like, I just, this is the final thing. I need you to drown so I can just bring my daughter back. Like, I'm not saying that's a good thing. It's just the complex thing. Not saying she's right. Not saying it was right thing to do. But she's not like, yeah, there's. And then in this moment, Piper screams for her mom. And it breaks something. thing in Laura. We had heard her say earlier. All she wanted was to like hear Kathy call her mom one last

time or hear her call her mom again. And Laura gets this like intense flashback of the day that Kathy died. And I feel I, I guess it's a little up for interpretation, but I kind of interpreted it as like she has this moment of like seeing what she's doing and just being like, I can't fucking do this. And just kind of collapses. Piper's able to run out of the pool. Ollie has not had the same change of heart. So I was going to say, I was like, Um, hon, you've already done a lot.

Like, it's pretty late to start feeling this way. In for a penny, in for a pound. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So Laura is just, like, sobbing in the pool. Piper's trying to run away. Ollie is just following Piper. Ollie lunges at Piper and Piper falls down this kind of hilly area.

I think she hits Ollie, so Ollie falls back and she falls down a hill, like, toward the road. But she makes it outside the boundary. Oh, yes. She makes it outside that white circle. And I feel like there's just like there was a time sensitivity to this ritual. And so Ollie now starts vomiting the black. goo that we saw earlier, but there's no vessel to vomit it into. So he's just vomiting on the ground and the rain and is like convulsing. We see Laura goes to Kathy's body in the ice chest. And Laura digs her fingers into her cut arm, her like huge gash gaping arm wound. And, like, kind of tears her forearm open in a way that I interpreted as, like, a suicide.

Like, she's just, like, ripping her veins open in her forearm. Yeah, I mean, that is, honestly, really the only thing left for that. Yeah, and she, she, like... She let a demon eat her child's face. Yeah. And she, like, says, okay, like, let's go, honey or something and, like, picks up Kathy. and we see the the that piper makes it to the road a car happens to be driving by thank god stops picks her up and the cops have been called now by presumably this car and arrive and find

ollie looking a little more i mean certainly not normal like covered in blood and his mouth is still just as fucked up but he's not as like bloated and uh misshapen and they they go to him and are you know have their flashlights and they're like son son are you okay what's your name and he says my name's Connor Connor Bird um so the angel slash demon has left him but Jesus Christ Connor is going to have a fucking tough go of it after this my God And then the cops circle into the yard where the pool is and find Laura holding Kathy in, like, a fetal position. They're just, like, curled around each other dead in the pool. And the camera is overhead on both of them and pulls out.

And that's the end of the movie. There's one final little epilogue as well that happens somewhere in this sequence. is that Piper manages to flag down a car, and so she's safe, and while she's in the back of the car, she sees a plane flying overhead. And I've seen multiple explanations. Some people think it's Andy's soul, or like a hint to Andy. Interpreted it, yeah. Yeah.

But I've heard other people say it's actually Kathy's soul, because Kathy's been trapped in this shed waiting. But now that she's actually free from this ritual, Kathy's able to sort of pass on because she was around it. Right. So it is a happy ending. Yeah, that's good. Sort of.

Yeah. And there is a dedication at the end, which is quite sad. So Danny and Michael Philippo's friend Harley Wallace died while they were in production of this movie. And I read that the ending was originally meant to be darker and that Kathy was going to get into Piper's body. And they changed it as they were going through their own grief and loss to have it be like a mold. emotional ending which is wow beautiful but they still had Laura like rip out her own veins so yeah still is still pretty tough yeah pretty gnarly wow well that really was

too spooko and I didn't watch it um yes too spooko didn't watch always a pleasure you guys always stress do you think Emily how do you think Henley would have done in that one really really bad and we are shared hallucinations yeah thank god she's just only exists in our brain and not even begin yeah i'm she's i'm gonna be so mad at her if she Googles this plot and i know she will because why would she do that to herself it's classic henley classic henley behavior it's project henley mayhem we all we all know deem it's such a pleasure for us to be able to hop on a zoom with you guys we feel very uh blessed and privileged and and all that sort of thing um so thanks so much for having us for another two

book I didn't watch. Of course. Thank you for being here. And honestly, thank you for giving us. Like, I do really appreciate the Australian context of these movies. Like, it does. It is not. These are, like, things that we would just simply miss because we wouldn't, we wouldn't

know the whole story. And it is lovely. Thank you. Well, one of you guys say from all of us here at Too Scary didn't watch, just to give me the Australian accent so that I can mimic it. Yeah, let's give us a little prep. Do you want me to put on an Australian accent or just speak up? No, no.

No, no. No, the girls, here's, from all of us at two spooko didn't watch. From all of us here at two spooko didn't watch. It's our biggest verbery baby shower yet, team, let's fucking go. From all of us at two spooko didn't watch. The first one was okay. Watch. So, so watch, Emily, is your, as your, as your tell.

So your watch goes very, like, very cockney. Watch, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So what's yours? Watch. Watch. Watch. Watch. Yeah, just a really basic, oh, watch.

From all of us here at Too Spook, I didn't watch. Just listening to Shannon Knowles, it wasn't, what about me? Yeah, perfect, well, I'll do that. You'll pick up on the Australian accent in no time. Perfect. That's all you need. Thanks, then. Goodbye.

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