Too Scary; Didn't Watch - DANGEROUS ANIMALS with Wes Larson

Episode Date: September 3, 2025

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This is a headgum podcast. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily, and I am. too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy and I love watching scary movies. And so I watch them so that you don't have to. And I am very excited for today's episode.

But before we get to it, it's going to be a good one. It's going to be a good one. I'm can't wait. Excited and anxious. Yeah. I'm anxious too. My palms are sweaty. A little tough for Emily.

But we'll get through it. But before we get to it, Did anything scary happen to you guys this week? Well, something scary happened to me this week, but maybe it's not what you expect. Ooh. I never know. I never know what to expect, Emily. Well, the thing is, the thing is I went to the doctor.

Okay. Some people would be like, well, that's the scary thing. Like, doctors are scary. Right. Some people have doctor anxiety, you know? Yeah, of course. Which is very valid, especially here in this hell. But for me, I haven't been to the doctor in a while.

And it was like, I was having a really hard time finding a primary care doctor in my insurance network that I could like not wait like two months to see. Finally I found a doctor. And like from the moment I arrived in the waiting room, I felt myself relaxed like more than I relaxed in a like I felt. Wait, was it a witch? Was it actually a witch? She might have been. And if she is, oh my God, I hope she's a witch. She was a fucking witch.

I could just tell. my just like knowing that I was going to sit with a person who was just going to like tend to tend to my body and like talk to me about how I'm doing I'm very I have I am able to talk to a lot of people I'm very well supported but it just was like oh I couldn't believe how like filling out the paperwork I was so so relaxed wait was it like the vibes of the waiting room no wait was that I need to see a doctor and I was finally doing it. It was just like I'm also, I've been very, I've been very stressed out.

And to me it was a real indicator of like, we need to take care of ourselves. Like it was, I just was so, I just was so glad to be there. You also said that this was a new doctor. She was like, brand spanking new. Not new for you, new to being a doctor. New to being a doctor. which she was very they like paired me up with whoever I could get an appointment with and I was like that's fine like what I need I need to see a doctor I'm fine but I just I need to see a dog but so I didn't know who I was getting was thrilled to see that it was a woman because you just never you know I don't know um she was young and she was like like I kept wanting to be like I could like anxious like I could tell like she like went to get hand sanitizer and like the one thing that she went to was empty and she's like there's never any hand sanitizer in there and like I was like it's fine you're doing like I kept wanting to be like you're doing such a good job. Like, I really want it, because I was, I was just so happy to be there with her.

And I think because she was new, she, like, was really, she was, like, so attentive. She still had to, like, sparkle in her eye about, like, I'm here to help. She asked me so many questions. And I told her about things like other doctors told me. She's like, well, I think that we should, like, really do, like, we should really figure that out. And, like, she was just, she was wonderful. But I, but I truly think she's, like, very freshly out of medical school. She's a baby witch.

She's a baby witch. Which is, like, all doctors have to start somewhere, you know. And, and that thing that would make some. people anxious. Start with me. I would love. It makes some people probably anxious if you again have doctor anxiety to be like, oh my God, this person doesn't know what they're doing. But like, I'm sure she does. And honestly, she learned everything the most recently, you know? Like she's got the most up-to-date information. Yeah. She's not jaded. She's not cynical. She hasn't been on the phone with insurance companies for hours fighting for her patient's lives. Really was eager to like figure out what's going on

with me in a way that just nobody, no doctor ever is. This is really amazing. So, anyway, it was really great. And it. But it did, I was like, this feels like I should explore, like, things to reduce my stress because going to the doctor is, like, not usually one of those things for people. Yeah. Anyway, I feel great. Yeah, it's so nice to have a doctor's appointment where you don't feel like they're just, like, trying to get you out of there as soon as possible.

That's, like, 90% of doctor's appointments is they're like, hey, anything else? Like, can I go now? Yeah. Yeah. And I told you I went to the doctor pretty recently as well. I love my primary care doctor. and she hugged me at the end. She was like, oh, it was so great to see you.

And she hugged me. And I was like, I mean, don't even get me started. I wanted to get in with her, but she wasn't in my network. But it's okay. I'm going to, I'm going to get from my own relationship. Yes. And maybe I'll initiate the hug next time. I'll see what happens.

Yeah. You're getting it on the ground floor. This is great. And I'm really happy for you. Thank you. Me too. Anything scary happened to you guys this week? Well, I already told you guys this when we got on, but I'm just going to reiterate it here.

Speaking of doctors, speaking of needing medical advice, I, woke up on like Wednesday with the craziest dye I've ever had my whole eye was like swollen shut it was so heavy and swollen and disgusting and also the thing that's bad about that is I can't put my contacts in and my glasses are like a gazillion years old and don't really work we need to fix that I was running blind on Wednesday couldn't see a goddamn thing like literally so fucking blind could you put a contact in one eye Does that not work? No, that was not going to work.

Is that worse? I was feeling like sick because of it. So it took several days. It's gone down significantly. But then last night, I told you guys this, I'm just going to say it again. I was just thought it was so funny because I was just literally like on a rant about something with Tim. Like I was talking about some like theory I have about like the political sphere connecting with like the domestic sphere and the connecting with like my family psychology and connecting with like things I've been like uncovering, blah, blah, blah. was like really like getting into it and Tim just listening like being a great active listener then

I seem kind of like zone out looking at my face and he just is like I think you're getting another sty and he was right I was getting another fucking sty and now on the other eye on the other eye and the other eye and like I haven't changed my routine my routine is the same henley wait I just thought of something what you were using those whitening eyedrops those are relatively new. Okay. I only use those one time though. And also I use them once. I only used them one time and that was several weeks ago. And your eyes were so bright white. They were. They were doll eyes. Doll eyes opening. Glass eyeballs. Um, yeah, use those before our live show if everyone wants to know a little behind the scenes. Yeah. If you felt like, oh my God, those girls eyeballs are

so white. I'm looking at the stage, but the only thing I can see are those girls eyes. Um, yeah. No, I don't think that's it. I think it might have more to do with my IUD falling out of my body. Sure. It's hard to say, one or the other. Is anybody's guess? Anyway, it just fucking sucks. Yeah, I didn't even think about I can't even recommend my pink plastic eyeglasses to you because you need real glasses.

Well, I mean, it's okay. I'm wearing my contacts now. Like, I only don't wear them if it's really severe. six dollar pink plastic eyeglasses and carry on you know yeah i do because it is embarrassing to go out in public when your eyes look like that doesn't feel good no because everyone is just like oh something's wrong with her you know what i mean like they're not going to say oh oh something's wrong with her and it's like where people are looking you know like it's right there yeah yeah it's like you don't have anywhere where are you going to look where else you're going to look you're like not look at somebody's

eyes. Yeah. That's weird. Yeah. Anyway, so that's, that's, that's, that's, that's the scary thing for me. Sorry, Henley. Also, just real quick, I want to say I started watching The Hunting Wives on Netflix. Have you guys heard of this show? Is this a reality show about? It's not a reality show. It's like starring Britney Snow, who moves to like Maga Country, Texas. And it's like very sexy and drama. It's another like slushy, stupid. Netflix show and I was watching it out of my like sty ridden eyes just fucking seeing nothing just seeing nothing feeling nothing but it is a good um like another good like stupid Netflix show that's if you're looking for like a background something to binge great I'm always looking for that okay

that's it for me um well I recently moved and part of that has been going to new exercise spots because I use class pass, and it's like you go to different studios in the area. So I've been trying a couple new places. And near me, there is a kickboxing studio. I was like, you know, I like, I've done like just like kickboxing in the, Jeanette Jenkins, YouTube workouts where you just punch and kick the air. And I like those. They're good workouts.

I was like, well, it's probably not going to be like contact kickboxing. Probably not. And I show up to an intro to kickboxing class. I get there and first of all, they're like, oh, they changed it last minute to a moitai class. I'm like, I don't even know what that means, but okay, I guess I'll still do it. It feels crazy to change the intro class because it's like, well, people are literally here needing an intro. Yeah, and I made that clear. I was like, I've never done literally any of this like before I'm very intimidated.

And they're like, okay, we're going to, we're going to. Here's some moitai. Here's some moitai. It's also the music is absolutely blasting. I can't hear anything the instructor is saying at all. And everyone else is clearly just like gone many times before and is our following along very easily. The studio was great. Everyone was super, super nice.

I was just like, I can't hear you. Like you have to come give me individual attention constantly because I don't know anything that's happening. And it started off with the bags, the like punching bags. And I just kept a really hurting. myself on them because they're really hard they're really hard they're kind of the whole deal I was like well that's going to bruise that's going to bruise that's all going to bruise and um and then they're like okay now time to pair up and and do what we just did with your partners oh no so you also don't know one in the class you have to pair up with the person you've never met before yeah and so luckily

the girl I paired up with was super nice and she had been going there for for two years and I again was like, I'm so sorry, I've never done this before. This is not going to be fun for you. And I'm also not coordinated. So, like, remembering this little choreography that we've got going is going to be really hard. You're also like, ow, ow, ow, out. Please don't need me. And also, please don't. And so I'm going, like, real gentle at her, obviously. And the teacher, she punches you in the face. No, no, the opposite. The teacher comes over and he's like, punch her in the face, punch her in the face, because I'm like, like, aiming for the side of her

face. And he's like, I want her to work on her defense. You need to aim for her face. Oh, my God. And so I'm like, okay. Wait, does she have those like blocker things? We both have gloves on. And yeah, she's supposed to like swing her her hand around glove to block. But what if she misses? What if you punched well? She did, Emily. And I punched her in the face. And it wasn't hard, but it was like, God damn it. This is like the, the main. thing I was afraid of happening. Punch her in the face.

Punch her in the face. I did. Okay, you got it. It wasn't hard. And she was, she was like, it's fine. Like, she was not upset. Yeah, she's like, I come here. I've been going for two years.

I'm sure it's not the first time it's happened. Yeah. But then we just like continued to spar for like 30 minutes. And I was just like, I don't, I don't like this at all. It was kind of fun just because it was so like different. Different from things that I've done. But in my head, I was like, well, I'm never coming back here, never coming back here. Jeanette Jenkins never makes you punch anybody in the face.

Yeah. I do kind of want to take like a self-defense class, you know? I just want to learn some moves. I don't want to learn how to just punch someone in the face, but I would like to learn how to like, you know, take someone out as needed. Yeah, this wasn't that. It was just like practicing your hooks and your cross jabs. You want to try to push the bridge of somebody's nose into their brain. Okay. That's, I'll keep that in mind. A low angle. A low angle, the heel of your hand up. Push that, push that bone right into their brain.

That'd be so crazy to push someone's fucking nose into their brain. You don't want to have to do it. But I think that like if you do find yourself in that situation, you want to try that one. Emily, I'm so confident that you would like, if like a 300 pound man attacked you, you would like fucking take him to the ground. Like I don't have a doubt in my mind. I know you would. I know you would. Speaking of being attacked by 300 pound men, and having to defend yourself. Let's get into this week's movie. Perfect segue. Which is Dangerous Animals, came out earlier this year, directed by Sean Byrne, written by Nick Leppard, starring Hassee Harrison, Jai Courtney, Ella Newton, and Josh Houston. And we are joined by a guest today.

You know him. You love him. He's a correspondent. He's the host of Tooth and Clause. Wes Larson, welcome back. Hey, good to be here. Hi, Wes. Hey, how are we doing?

Wes, Wes is back. I'm so excited to be back, truly. You know, I wish you guys gave plaques for a correspondence because it would be displayed proudly on the wall here. Yes, yeah, we need to do that. All right. Adding it to the list. Plaques, yep, before next time you'll have a plaque on that wall. Perfect.

People will be mad if we do that before merch. We're like, don't do merch, we just do plaques. That's the priority. This is important, Emily. I want my plaque. Yeah. Fair, fair. Wes, did anything scary happen to you this week?

Yeah, I have a good story. You always do. I just last night late got back from a long packrafting trip in Montana, where I live, in the Bob Marshall Wilderness. And so what that entails is we either hiked or rode horses, part of our group road, part of our group hiked, 23 miles in. And then I have this little inflatable packraft. It's like a one-man little packraft. You blow it up. And then I floated 60 miles down this river in the middle of the wilderness.

6-0. Whoa. Yeah. And there's no, like, reception. There's no anything. You have to bring your food. You set up a new tent every night in like a different part of the river. Yep.

Lots of fishing. It's in the prime grizzly bear countries, so you have to be really careful with food and everything. We saw a black bear. We didn't see any grizzlies. But just really fun. I went with my brothers, my dad, and my cousin. Anyway, so my dad, his job was to park the truck at the end of the wilderness because you can't bring any wheeled anything into the wilderness. So he parked the truck at the end of it.

And then it was a few miles hike out to get to the truck at the end. But what he didn't do was parked in the right spot. So he parked it, unfortunately, like, 10 miles down further than where we were. Oh, no. And that part of that river is a gorge that the river runs through, and it gets really whitewatery. There's, like, class five, class four rapids. And we had always heard it was impossible to float. So we get there, and the options are either just, like, run it, go for the river, the two pack rafters, which was me and my cousin.

The big raft wouldn't make it, but the pack rafts would. or we could hike to the truck, which would take a lot longer and not be nearly as fun. And so we had talked to someone on the river that said, oh, no, you can run the gorge. You just have to be careful of like two spots. We're like, okay, great, we'll do it. Oh, my God, this is so scared. And this is my first time on a pack raft. Like, I was almost flipping on these little waves and stuff.

Yeah, let's give it a world. Were you worrying? Well, hiking would take longer. It would simply take longer. So the first big wave I hit, I flip. All my stuff goes everywhere. Lose my hat like but we're having a great time sure and so fun We continue like hitting these rapids I'm feeling more and more confident as we're working our way through the gorge

And just picture this like steep rock on both sides and then this beautiful blue river Through the montana wilderness like running through this gorge with rapids And we get to this bend and my cousin's like I just saw a big splash like not a fish like someone through something And we come around the corner and there's like 10 17 year old boys just like perched on the rock like gargoyles no my god the scariest thing of all teens yeah and we had talked about the movie deliverance the night before oh i i think of the movie yeah uh and they're just like these kids are immediately antagonistic like the second i show up the kids like hey did you hit that first big rapid and i was like now we skip that one he's like pussy no my god what and he's

like why are you such a puss and i was like whoa dude We're just trying to get through here And they all just start like spitting in the water And I'm not lying There's like 10 of them And we're both just like You know being quiet Trying our best just to get through the stretch of river

Without getting killed You know how to deal with wild animals Yeah don't engage Don't make eye contact Black eyes There's like I mean these are rough kids From middle of nowhere Montana And one of them is like

You're probably from Canada aren't you I'm like no I'm from Missoula And Missoula is kind of like the Portland of Montana, you know? So he goes, that's stupid. And without thinking, without thinking, I just go, you're stupid. Oh, wow. And he's like, they immediately start talking. They're like, we're going to meet you downriver.

We're going to kill you. We're going to do all this stuff. Oh, my God. And I was like, no. And so we paddle. You're not stupid. You're really cool. I like you a lot.

We paddle, but then the next, like, spot was this huge rapid that we couldn't go over. It's like a waterfall. So we have to pull the boats out and I'm like literally running with my boat down the rock and I see their backpack is sitting there. They have a backpack and I like sneakly go up into it and open it and all their drinks are in there. I'm like, I'm going to steal their drinks. Oh my God. What? I reach in and I think this is horror movie shit.

Like this is the mistake that the person makes. Yes. That you're screaming at them saying don't take it. Just leave the backpack. Don't do it. Leave the backpack. I can get out of there. Yes.

And so I left the backpack. I didn't take any of the drinks. Left the backpack. Round of applause. They chucked a log in the water like after us and we floated down. We made it out. It was like a long, long raft. But when we got back to pick up the rest of our group, they were like, oh, there's some

like asshole kids here. And I was like, oh, yeah, we met them. Yeah. They said they were going to kill me. They told me they'd murder me, actually. I've met him. And I believed them. It was gnarly.

I don't like knowing that those kids are out there. That's real. Those kids are troubled. Yeah, I'm thinking about it. I had that one run through my head too. Yeah. What's happening to those kids? I just want to make sure they're okay.

They're not okay. They're not. They're really not. Gen Z is either becoming like the sweetest, nicest people in the world or the like absolute worst. Yeah. I mean, it's truly it's like what happens when you go through trauma? You either You were either so resilient and you triumph

Or you don't Throw logs at raft Like it's like Yeah My cousin was kind of like I thought we were going to get through that all right Until you insulted them Yeah

I thought the rafting was going to be the scariest part of that story That's really funny But it was like The scariest part of getting through that Was rounding a bend To find a true like Gang of teens I was like bone chilling

Wes you got a big big brother them you got to get in there and you got to turn the shift around What's this for guys? What's this for? Yeah Wow

That is not where I expected Your story to go Yeah it was a scary one That's why any high school teachers Or middle school teachers Like I commend them I commend them Especially in like back country

Montana I can't imagine what it's like I know Tough. That's got to be tough. Yeah. I'm really glad you made it through. Made it out. Yeah.

Didn't go the Eden Lake route because that would have been bad. It would have been really bad. If I had to take in that drink, it would have been Eden Lake. You never know. Yeah. That was like the call to action denied. End of movie. Okay.

Well, let's talk a little bit about this week's movie, dangerous animals. Speaking of how the danger isn't always. what you expect. This movie has an 86% on Rotten Tomatoes, a 65 on Metacritic, and a 6.5 on IMDB. The budget was $2 million, and it made $5.5 million. This is an Australian and American co-production. It did get released in theaters, I'm pretty sure, worldwide. But I'm kind of surprised this didn't do better.

I mean, it made its money back, but... Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I agree. It kind of came and went without a bang. I didn't make a bigger splash, shall we say. I loved this movie. Wes, did you like this movie?

Yeah, I like this one a lot, actually. And usually shark movies are kind of hard for me because I love sharks so much. I was nervous, but I also was like, I think he might like this one. Yeah, I genuinely did. I thought they did the sharks right. They included some good biology. I just have to say this is perfect timing because we just did a three-part shark story. Got on the USS Indianapolis, right?

Yeah. Oh, I can't wait to listen because we've talked about that before as well, and I'm obsessed with this. You guys, you guys, I just found out that Kirk's cousin who's marrying a woman named Liz, I don't know whether you guys met Liz or not, but you've definitely messed Kirk. Her grandfather was on the fucking USS Indianapolis. Did he survive? No, he died. Oh, he died. Okay.

Had his children, had the child before. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Oh, that is, I mean. It's bad. It's the worst way to go, perhaps. Yeah.

Of all the stories we've done, I think it's the one that's like kind of haunted me the most. Oh, well, I remember that. When I found out, I was like, no, don't make that more real to me. I don't want that story to be real. That was like real people. I don't want it to be real. I remember, but hearing when they got rescued and like their skin is so like waterlog that it like comes off. Stop.

Like a sock. De-gloved your whole body. It was bad, bad bad. Yeah, really, really. bad but yeah so we did we did a three-part series and i'm just like in total shark brain yeah that's all i've been thinking about the last few weeks uh so i'm really excited to talk more sharks yes me too i love sharks very much but yeah for those who don't know emily is they're they're tough for emily she respects i respect them i do i really scared of them um but i don't love thinking about what would

happen were I to encounter one. Yeah. We'll talk about that. Are you more scared of sharks than of bears? Because it's like a... No, Emily. No, Emily. I'm not scared of either. No, no. I'm like, more scared of sharks for sure. I mean, I wouldn't want to get eaten by a bear. It would be really... I think, here's what I think. Based on what I've learned from Wes and from tooth and claw, I think probably it would be a far worse experience to be a bear's meal. Right. I agree. Yeah. But I would be so, I mean, I'd be, look, these, that's just, they're really fucking scary. But like, the added thing of, like, being of, of, of, it's water.

It's water. And the shark is, like, below me. Like, that is, oh. Like, you have literally, no. It's not our world. No. And things shouldn't be below us. Like, that's where the ground is.

And you can't, like, see. Clearly. Yeah. Yeah. So that's, it's scarier. I agree. Seem. I agree.

Yeah. Pretty bad. But the way that a bear. makes you their meal is tough. I'm scared of the ocean even even very rarely and we respect bears and they're good. Yes, but I'm scared of the ocean even with like nothing in it. It's just the, I'm just scared of the depth and the dark and the, it's like what's in there? What's in there and you can be there and you can like have no, you can have no land in sight, you know?

It's like that's I, we're land, I'm a land creature. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Men to be on land. As am I. That's fair. You know that. You know that about yourself.

I love being on land. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's where I belong. I love being in the ocean, and I love sharks. Yeah, I do love sharks, but. Yeah, I know you do. I know you're a big fan. I'm a big fan. Yeah, big fan.

So, Sean Byrne, who directed this movie, also directed another movie that we covered called The Loved Ones, the Prom movie. Oh, no. Is it in the same vein as the loved ones? That's the Lobotomy movie, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The boiling water lobotomy. Yeah. That one fucked me up.

That was sick. That was not okay. This is different, but there's, I don't know, there's like some similarities, I think, in terms of like, when you think it's gone as far as it's going to go, it goes a little farther. But we're not going to get any boiling water lobotomies in this. We don't have, you don't have to worry about that. Well, you can't do that twice in a row. It was tamer than I thought it was going to be, actually.

Like seeing the director and knowing the con. content. Yeah. And like, you know, I do a podcast about animal attacks. I kind of was excited for some good attacks. And there actually aren't that many in this movie. Yeah. Okay. But I still really, they nailed it when they did it. Yeah. Yeah. I know the like very basic premise of this movie. And it is, it seems like a very, very smart idea. It's a pretty clever twist on a shark shark movie, I think. Even though the movie. I don't know what it is. So don't, we won't say. We won't say. You will know eventually, but we'll take our time. We'll ease our way. Yes. And the only other little piece of trivia I have is that Nick Leppard or Lepard. I'm not sure. I hope it's Leopard. This is his first script and he has another script in coming up, not in production, it's done and it's coming up. It's Osgood Perkins next movie, Keeper.

So kind of a fun fun team. We love Osgood Perkins in this house. Fun team. We love Osgood Perkins in this house. I do too. Yeah, it was great. I'm excited for Keeper. I don't really know. much about it. I saw the little pre trailer that was at the end of long legs, but I haven't watched the actual trailer yet. But I'm sure we'll be. I haven't seen it. I'm sure we'll be covering here later whenever it comes out. And I look forward to the day because we are Oscar Perkins fans. In this house. In this house. That's the sign I'm going to put in front of my

house. In this house. And we're going to watch the trailer at the end. And we're going to watch the Because, yeah, Henley doesn't know anything, and I think this is a fun one to just, let's get right into this recap. Great. Shall we? Let's do it. Let's do it. Does this sound familiar? You sign up for something, forget about it after the trial period ends, and then you're charged, month after month after month.

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Tucker. The antagonist name. Bruce Tucker. Bruce Tucker. Way less cool of a name than Jai Courtney. Yeah, Jai Courtney is a cool name. And I did look it up and it is pronounced J because someone once said J and I, it really threw me and I was like, is it J? And I've been saying Jai this whole time. And then I thought because he's Australian, maybe like when he says it, it's like Jai. Jai. Anyways, like even if it is Jai. So I was like, how am I ever going to know? But I watched one of those YouTube pronunciation videos that can never be wrong. And it said Jai Courtney. I just call him Australian Tom Hardy.

He's one of the Tom Hardy's. There's like four or five of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a big dude. He's like jacked. It's very much a genre of man. Yeah, he's great, though. I think I've liked everything I've seen him in.

Anyway, he welcomes this duo onto his boat. They were unexpected, but they, like, he soon realizes no one's expecting them anywhere, and they just want to see some sharks. So, you know, it's kind of setting the scene. Takes them out into the water, starts chumming for. sharks a meiko shows up which he says is the cheetah the seas which is true it's the fastest shark species um yeah one of the fastest fish in the ocean and uh puts this couple in the cage well first he makes them sing baby shark which i did was a little funny he and he does it very

seriously he's like there's just one thing we have to do first the girl's name is heather and she's like pretty freaked out and he's like okay okay here here's what we're going to do we're going to just sing baby shark do do do that's pretty funny it got a laugh out of me it will be stuck in my head for next week it got stuck in my head it still is yeah even just hearing the beginning of it well is enough henley have either of your kids had a baby shark phase not really when salz was in daycare when he was a baby i know they played it because we never played we don't play we don't play that in our house we play house in this house but we don't play baby shark in But he still somehow knew it.

And I knew they were playing at a daycare. He would like sing it sometimes. But not really. It's in the air all the time. Yeah. My friend's daughter, every time they go in the car, she'll just scream nonstop until Baby Shark is on. And so she has to play Baby Shark on loop anytime they try.

Oh, thank God. We avoided that. We avoided that. Oh, that's really tough. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, so he does play Baby Shark. It calms them down a bit. There's kind of a fun, but tense vibe.

The two go in the cage. She is really scared. Wait, one other thing before they go in is that he, there's a photo of him in the, in his boat. That's right. That as a child, he survived a shark attack and he shows them he has this like really gnarly scar and they're kind of, Heather's like, oh my God, like, where were your parents? And he's like, oh, you know, I was just like. Mostly alone.

Mostly alone. And that's kind of. I think important for the psychology. He says it was a white shark, too, which is the Australian name for Great White. That's like, you know, that's the big, the big one. The big one. That's the big one. That's the big one.

That's the big one. Yeah. Yeah, so they go in the cage. She's immediately very anxious. There's sharks everywhere. We see a tiger shark. We see mako sharks. We see blue sharks.

Lots of different species. But then the, her friend grabs her and kind of. calms are down, and they end up appreciating the beauty of these sharks swirling around them in the water. And when they get out, they're very excited to have gotten out of this beautiful experience. They're hyping each other up. Tucker comes over to kind of congratulate them and pull them aside and just start stabbing the guy in the throat.

Holy shit. Yeah. In the throat? In the throat. It's like, yeah. Three times in the throat and the guy falls overboard. They're stunned. Heather's screaming.

Yeah. Oh, no. He falls over, Heather screams. We cut to opening credits. No, what's going to happen? We meet our heroine. Zephy. Zephy.

Zephy. How could you forget? Wow. Sorry. Hassee something is the actress. Hassee Harrison. Yeah, Hassee Harrison. She was in Yellowstone, I think.

Yes, I saw that on her IMD, though I have never seen it. But I thought she was great in this. Yeah, she was. She's an American kind of just bumping around, Australia in her van. I think similar. You know, doesn't really have much of a family life, doesn't really have a lot of people in her corner. We see her surfing, and then we see her in a convenience store. And she bumps into a young man.

Moses. Moses is wearing a shirt and tie. Oh, yes. And a gorgeous man. Yeah, he's very handsome. She's also very hot. They're both like extremely hot. They're in a movie.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But no, they are, they're strikingly beautiful people. And they talk for a little bit. He's trying to get jumper cables. She's very antagonistic. Kind of like these kids I ran into on the river.

Just immediately wants nothing to do with them. Been through some stuff. Yeah. He managed to get her attention outside of the store and kind of threatens her says, hey, I know you stole something in there. Just give me a jumper cables. I'm not a serial killer. I promise she sees a surfboard in his car when they go to get the jumper cables.

So it kind of starts this friendship between them. I'm not starting a friendship with anybody who says, I'm not a serial player. Like, I'm like, why did that enter your brain? Why did you enter that into the conversation? Yeah. Now I don't trust you. He does bring up like that she's a window person in planes because she's like reserved and just kind of wants to be alone and not talk to people.

But he's more of an aisle person. He likes to talk to people. Which was, you know, some conversation he tries to make and she's like, stop fucking talking to me or something. It's very like very strong. Proving the point. Yeah. But then, yeah, when she sees the surfboard, they, start kind of connecting on that and then they hook up wow okay that was fast in the van in the van yep

at his house in the van and uh she won't come inside she opens up to him a bit yeah yeah yeah she won't go inside she doesn't want to eat his food she just wants to eat bread rolls that she buys yep uh she's very she can't be tamed she can't be tamed no okay she's tough and i do think she's very tough in this movie like this is a very tough performance and she does a really good job selling it oh god what i'm but he he's also very sweet and i think he does a good job selling that too and he really wants to just kind of you know like break down those walls a little bit and get to know her and he's not just interested in her as you know a hookup and goes inside to make her a very nice breakfast and uh in in the in the lovemaking she loses her key that locks the fins onto her surfboard um which is just

like a universal key that does that. That's an important. Let's pin that for a second. Pin it. He comes out with breakfast and she's gone. Sure. She's not there anymore. She's gone to catch some waves.

Okay. So he texts her while she's setting up her surfboard and she's like, listen, I'm, you know, I went to go surf the waves. And he's, you know, they're texting back and forth. And she realizes that she had misplaced this key. And so she goes to ask for one and guess whose truck is in the parking lot. No. Jai Courtney Yeah

Jai Jop out of here Jai Jol It's Jai It's joy And he happens To have a fin key For her

Which he loans to her And then you think He drives off He just says All right You know He says heaps Which I think is a word

That we should say It is It's a word I have a lot of Australian co-workers And a thing I've clocked is Heaps is like

A phrase That it's like Oh yeah Heaps What does it What does it mean I got heaps Like a lot

Like heat like But it's like Instead of saying like a lot they say heaps oh heaps i see i see yeah of course oh that's fun it's just like a thing that americans don't say in this house we say he in this house we say heaps oh yeah heaps we use it heaps i almost feel like you have to say it in australian accent because heaps heaps heaps in an american accent is not quite the same hapes i will say her accent her american accent does like contrasts so harshly i feel like to the australian accents i was like

I mean, I have the same accent, but I was just like, oof, it's like so nice hearing the Australian accent. So then I open my mouth and it's like, la, la, it really ruins the vibe. We often at work, we'll go like, gnar, gnar, our, gnar, like to our Australian co-workers. And then they were in town recently and they're like, what do you say? You go, no. No. Like, their American impression is so, because it's like, yeah, you're right. Like, we sound weird too.

We're so cold and flat. There's just so warm and bubbly. Yeah. I know. Hapes. So, yeah, he drives away. She starts locking in her fins. She's still texting, and she's kind of inviting this guy, like a soft invite to come surf with her.

And as she sends the final text, we see a plastic bag go over her head. Oh. And she is knocked unconscious by Tucker and thrown into a surf bag and put in the back of his truck. Yuck. She wakes up handcuffed to a cot. below deck next to Heather handcuffed to another cot. Oh, no, Heather's still there. Yeah.

Still just, yeah, suffering. Yeah, and obviously. So this is a movie about being punished for having sex. As most horror movies are. Yeah, right. I'm glad we're back to that. Always be stressed, never be horny. Yeah.

And she's freaking out, trying to escape, like trying to get her hand out of the handcuffs. looking for something to pick the lock with. Heather looks so, like, defeated and deflated, obviously. And it's kind of like it's not going to happen. He's upstairs. He's right above us. He can't escape. And we see that Zephyr still very much has the fire in her eyes.

And Heather's a little more resigned to, like, nope, we're in, like, a pretty unwinnable situation. Yeah. Heather does have more reason to. to believe that she's seen it. Yeah, what's happening. Yeah, and Heather's also really young. She's, like, just graduated, um, I don't know.

I guess either high school or college, I can't remember. She's in a gap year, which I think means she just graduated high school. She's maybe like 18 or 19. I think so. Awful. And, uh, so as Zephyr's figuring out the situation and where she is and looking around, she sees that there are names of other women carved into the wall next to her. and does like a gasp.

And Heather's like, what is it? And she's like, nothing, nothing. And yeah, she can't get out, can't unlock the lock. I think this is where she's like trying to pick the lock. And Heather says, oh, you know how to pick a lock? That's really cool. And she's like, yeah, one of the benefits of growing up in foster care. So we hear a little bit about that she had a pretty rough childhood

and was often put in situations where she had to like really take care of herself. But then she notices that Heather is wearing a bikini top with underwire. And she's like, is there underwiring that? Give me your bikini top. And so Heather tosses her the top. She pulls out the wire and starts picking at the lock. But then the door unlocks and in walks Tucker with a tray of vegemite sandwiches and little dinky cups of water.

Heather quickly covers up and is terrified and doesn't want to show that they're trying to escape, obviously, but she's so afraid she, like, is not at all able to play it cool. She's basically just like, which, you know, fair enough, is it really fucking horrible. It's really scary. It's really scary. And they both drink their tiny little cups of water. They're obviously, like, so thirsty. and he almost notices that Heather is not wearing the top and then Zephyr smartly distracts him

I call him an asshole kind of getting in his face a little bit and so he gives them, leaves the food and leaves the room. Zephyr goes back to picking the lock immediately but then her vision starts getting a little blurry. Oh, that water. Yeah. She looks over, Heather is unconscious, and yes, they have both been drugged. Are there sharks going to save them in this movie?

Is this movie about how sharks can... Unfortunately, we'll have to talk about that a little bit later. Because the next scene that does not happen. Yeah, we wake up and... Well, it's not really a shark's job to save a woman in this theory. No, I know. I'm just really... What can you do? I'm really reaching for something here.

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Yeah, sorry. I'm trying to remember that so many times. I just. not register bow starboard port stern yeah i don't know how i're starboard i can remember is right and then yeah anyway i'm going to get a poster and just have it permanently in front of me and good idea put that on your sign on the oscar in this house we believe bow is the front of the boat yeah perfect uh yeah so they're they're on the back of the boat and there's a little crane apparatus and Heather is dangling from this crane over the water.

Okay, so unnecessary. And Tucker has an old, like, VHS camera set up on a tripod. And Zephyr comes to and she starts screaming and Heather's screaming and Tucker's chumming the water, which means he's throwing out blood and chunks of fish and whatnot. I think earlier we'd seen him catch a fish even or something. But he's chumming the water and then he's kind of narrating to Zephyr what he's doing. And essentially, like, he's feeding Heather to these sharks. And that's kind of the thing that gets him off, you know, as a serial killer.

And Wes, this is where he says, you know why people are more afraid of sharks than mosquitoes? Even though mosquitoes kill, like, a million people a year. And sharks don't at all. Yeah. And he's like, it's because people don't think with their minds, they think with their guts. And, like, when you see a shark, it just. I can't remember what he says. This is a visceral reaction, like the teeth and the, yeah, everything, it's coming up out of the darkness.

And it's true, you know, that's very much like a true, a true fact. And we all know Sammy's number one patriot is mosquitoes. I was like, you know, I don't agree with everything he's doing, but I'm glad he's at least. He's asking the right questions. But yeah, then he dips Heather in the water, and she's splashing around and going really crazy. And I think I'm remembering. on the crane, like, he still, like, has her. She's, like, harnessed in, like, being lowered into the water.

God, that's somehow, I don't know why that, like, isn't even more disturbing. Yeah, it's not okay. Yeah, I mean, he's, like, fishing with her. Yeah. Ew. And he's videotaping. She gets, she gets ripped up by sharks. She gets attacked quite a bit.

She's screaming. There's blood in the water. There's two sharks that are kind of coming in at the same time. Oh. And then she kind of is just babbling and hanging. out in the water and we get an overhead shot and you see her leg slowly sink down through the water and then she's like just I think we cut out off that scene at that point that's kind of like the last we see it like through the camcorder like the light leaving uh heather's eyes like

the moment of her dying we see Tucker like obviously getting off to that as well and then panning to zephyr who's like slumped forward sobbing And he's like, oh, don't be like that. Don't worry. You'll have your time to shine tomorrow night. Yeah. Ooh, tomorrow night. That's really soon.

And also, like, you're going through these women really fast. This is not I. Well, he's a serial killer. I don't like this. I don't like this. He does. He takes the lock of Heather's hair, too. Yeah.

And then we, I don't remember if it's immediately after this, but we see him, like, putting the VHS away. And he makes up, like, a lure out of her hair. the hook on it and then tapes it to the VHS and then as he's putting it in the closet we see a bunch of names on the side of the wall with Zephyr and then at the same time we see dozens of VHSs with different colors of hair from all the women that he's fed to sharks so he's he's been quite successful yep my God yeah meanwhile we've been seeing Emily how you doing Emily's like this is like the worst possible this is probably the worst possible plot. It actually is because it's like it's one thing if a shark were to get you. It's another

thing that like a man did it. Yeah. I'm going to orchestrated the whole thing. It's like that is truly the worst possible way something like this could happen. And he's been getting away with it for far too long at this point. Yeah. Really tough. Really tough. Yeah. So we see that Moses had like showed up to her the spot that she invited him to and he called her cell phone and heard that it was in her van. And so he's like, I think at first maybe thinking she just ditched him again, but then the next day sees her van being towed and is kind of like, okay, something is wrong. He goes to the police.

And as he's trying to make a report, he realizes he, like, knows nothing about her. And he's like, I don't even know her last name, but I don't, like, her van got towed and she wouldn't just disappear like this. But there's not really much to go on at this point. Yeah. But he's being a little detective and we're happy to see it. We're glad he's on the case at least. Yeah.

Yeah. Someone. Someone's doing it. We go back to kind of like a Buffalo Bill scene where Tucker's celebrating. He's dancing around in his underwear. He's really excited that he's got another kill. Apparently, Jai Courtney. got really drunk for this scene because he was so embarrassed.

Talk to dance in his underwear? It was a good scene. He's very, he's very convincing in this movie as like, yeah. And then like one of my favorite scenes happens where he goes back in and he's just like riding high on this new kill. He's excited to do it to Zephyr. And Zephyr has managed, I think, to get out of one of her handcuffs and like break some plastic or something at some point. Is that not yet? First, it's right.

It's about to happen, but he comes in first. She hasn't broken out of the handcuff yet, but he comes in and he does this like menacing monologue where he's like, you know, sharks are the apex predators and they keep control of the population. And like if not for sharks, like all the, I can't remember how he phrases it, but like lesser creatures could just run wild and wreak havoc. And, like, we're sharks and we keep the control and order in the world. Does he feel like sharks, like, chose him by attacking him but not killing him? Yeah. He sees them as, like, his, like, partners in crime almost. And he kind of thinks that, like, Zephyr is the same as him.

Yeah. But, yeah, what she says to him is, is my, maybe my favorite part of the movie. It was really great and really satisfying. She, like, never lets up just letting him know what a fucking loser he is. And he's like, she's like, don't fucking compare yourself to sharks. Sharks are highly evolved. You're like, you're lowest of the low. You're a fucking worm.

You're the toxic trash that floats in the ocean. You're like a pathetic loser who kills women because like, Mommy didn't love you or whatever. And you see his face like trying to remain cool. I'm charred. Like he thought he was just doing the fucking coolest speech ever. And she just absolutely shuts it down. And he's like, no, you're fucking loser. and you're pathetic and I'm nothing like you and you're nothing like a shark and

great and then he like goes out he's like okay well don't forget to use the buck he like tries to get another menacing line in by being like you should poop I guess in the poop bucket that's in the room because if you're if you don't things like get pretty messy out there like when it's showtime and then he walks out and she looks over at the bucket and gets an idea And sees that it has like a, you know, the plastic handle on the bucket. And she pulls it over and snaps it in a way that makes a little knife-like weapon. Yeah. Yep.

Great. Great. Yeah. So when he, I think when he comes back in, then we maybe cut to Moses doing some more snooping or something. Yep. And then he comes back in. And when he does, she has freed herself from at least one of the handcuffs. she springs up right as he's about to drug her with like a needle, I believe, or something.

Yeah, he's going to inject her with the sedative. Yeah, and stabs him in the neck with the thing. Nice, nice. And he goes down, he hits his head on the bed. So, you know, it's a tofer. She gets him with the thing and he hits his head. Not enough. You got to get him another time.

We all know that, but she didn't. And she runs out onto the... She gets his keys and so she's able to, like, get her other... Does she sedate him? No. No, she doesn't do it. enough, but she just runs, which is, you know, but you're running in a boat to the ocean. Yeah. To the sharks. You know, where can we run to? Well, do a dolphin call, ask them to bring

you on the shore. She gets out and she is kind of running around and then he does show back up and she grabs his camera. Is that, is this this point where, yeah. Yeah, there's like, so she's like struggling, she's climbing out from below deck as he like comes to and is like grabbing at her feet. and it's that thing where it's like she's like kicking at him and you're like I hope she gets away but we see that he does inject her god damn oh yeah and then she kicks him in the face and she does get away but we know it there's a ticking clock yeah there's a ticking clock so she's like trying to call like SOS or maybe that's not yet she yeah she like runs out to the deck there's a lot of escapes in this movie so it's hard to keep them yeah sure sure sure they do a really good job with

that actually. There's like a lot of times in this movie that you think she's about to get away and then she gets pulled back in. Yeah. But she's like a coyote in a trap. She just keeps and, you know, put a pin in that actually because that comes up later too. But she grabs his camera by the tripod and is like kind of thrown it at him. He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't touch that. Don't touch that. And then she chucks it in the water. And, you know, he gets really upset because this is an old He's like, why didn't you listen to me? Yeah, exactly. Why did you do what I say?

He's very upset by that and then when he turns around, she's also jumped into the water and she starts swimming away but then the drug hits. Oh, she passes out. And you see a hook come into the water and scoop her underneath her armpit and pull her back onto the boat. Yeah. I mean, in this moment, I am like, well, actually, that might be better. Like, you don't want to be passed out in the middle of the ocean.

You die. Yes, you'd die. Yeah. Yeah. We see some of Moses, Moses' detective work. He's found some website that has, like, security footage of the beach. And he's... Pretty good detective.

He is. Yeah. And he's scrolling through the history and sees her driving into the parking lot and never coming out and the next car that comes out is Tucker's truck and he like zooms in on this video and it's just like perfectly like absolutely no uh not grainy at all it's like completely clear high deaf like Tucker's shark tours or whatever it's great the logo of his business so he's uh gonna go check out this lead while Tucker is coming back to shore because he needs another camcorder.

He obviously cannot. Oh, he can't kill her without. No, that's part of the whole thing is he needs to record it so that he can add it to his collection. Right, because he's a little free. Yeah, he's a bit of a fan of like vintage stuff too, you know, a bit of an art, like, an artist. So he wants a VHS. He wants that grainy, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Those are hard to come by. So she bought, she bought herself some more time, basically. He's like looking through thrift stores trying to find the right camera. Meanwhile, Moses finds the boat at the pier. And we failed to mention Tucker's, like Tucker has a little friend at the pier. A little boat neighbor. Yeah, a little boat neighbor. It's just like a grungy, older Australian man with a little yippy dog.

And Tucker sees this guy. He goes on to the boat. He's poking around. He doesn't really find anything too convincing, but he feels that this might be the right boat. And as he's about to leave, he puts his head close to the deck of the boat. It's the top. And he can hear Zephyr. Yeah, the top of the, yeah, the deck is the top.

Yep. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Top of the boat. Top of the boat. Yeah. Yeah.

And he hears her, like, faintly screaming. Oh. So he grabs a harpoon or something. He runs downstairs. He figures out how to get in this room. He immediately runs over to her, pulls the duct tape off of her mouth. She says he'll be back soon, you know, whatever, like get the key. He call 911 or whatever they 1-1-1 or I don't know what number they have over there.

It should be the same everywhere. This is a mistake we've made as humans. It should be the same. Yeah. That would be smart. We're not smart like that as humans. He's trying to figure out how to get her off the handcuffs. Yeah.

She's like, find something to pick the lock. He's calling 911. And as he like runs up the stairs, Tucker comes in and like checks him. tackles him. Yeah, his phone goes skittering across the floor. He'd started the call with the emergency people, though. And there's a struggle between the two. At one point, he gets a harpoon in the back.

Moses does. Tucker, like, gets him, pulls him into him. And they're fighting, and Moses seems to be losing this fight pretty badly. Tucker's pretty tough, beating him up pretty bad. And at one point, though, Moses does get on top of Tucker, and he's pushing the harpoon against his neck. and he's got the leverage. Sammy's a fighter now.

You know about all this. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. This was kind of exactly what you were doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's just pushing this rod into his neck, and he's about to pass out. But all of a sudden, someone clubs Moses on the back of the head. The friend. It's the friend.

Yeah. The friend isn't bad. No, he thinks he's like rescuing Tucker. He like, does he not see a girl in handcuffs? That's below death. He does. He hears her. screaming, he goes, and he's like, you got a Sheila in here? I can't really do the accent.

You got a Shayla? You got heaps of Shayla's in it? Yeah. Hapes of Shayla's. And as he kind of starts to, you see him putting together what's happening, he turns around, boom. Oh. Harpoon to the head. Oh. It goes right in. Not a great friend. It's like a hook right through the top of the head. Yeah. Like a gaffing hook. Right through the skull. Yeah. Too many hooks in the head these days between this. And I know. you did last summer yeah and he falls he falls on the pole and it pushes it further into his head so you know it really got him yeah he's out he's out yeah moses is unconscious yeah he like kicks him uh he hits him again like kicks him in the face knocks him out goes back down locks the

door that to the room zephyr's in she's still handcuffed they never found like anything to um free her so he's she just like gets to see his face again as he's like coming in and she's like what did you do to him what did you do to moses and just box the door he's very sweet he says like i kind of bungled the rescue or something like that oh yes moses oh moses he's just happy to see zephyr again no buddy yeah not like this not like this yeah now they're they're handcuffed next to each other moses is now in heather's old caught um and they have a little they just have time to chat get to know each other to get to know each other yeah have a little moses picks a bad time to like kind of pry into heather's psyche

or into zephyr's psyche a little bit more and she's like whoa dude not right now i don't have i don't have the mental capacity for this right now peak peak strength yeah but he's saying stuff like you deserve kindness and i feel like you haven't had much kindness in your life but she's like she's like Stop, stop, please stop. Oh, no. And then Tucker come, we hear the anchor drop. They're like back out in the middle of the ocean. And Tucker comes back in with the harness.

It's daytime. Previously the shows have all been at nighttime. And he says, I think I'm going to do a matinee. It's a good line. Don't say matinee like that, matinee. Yeah. So Moses is in the harness. Zephyr has to watch.

He wants, like, Zephyr, he kind of sees Zephyr as his, his equal, his match. And so he's saving her for, like, for last. So he wants her to watch Moses get eaten by sharks. And the buddy is being chopped up. For chum. Yeah, he's the chum. I was glad he didn't, I didn't see his dog get killed. No, we didn't see the dog.

The dog. Yeah. There's like an implication. Wait, I saw a review on Letterbox. Did you guys see the episode of Always Sunny where Dennis talks about. about the implication when you take a woman on a boat. There's like a, there's always just an implication of like a threat of danger. So they'll like have to be extra.

I see there was a letterbox review that was like, this is the implication that Dennis was talking about in always sudden. It's like, yep. Yeah. But the dog ran off. Disappears. Seemingly still on this boat. But luckily, yeah, we never see the dog again.

So let's hope he made it. He was a rescue to save that. somewhere not a great dog but it's still a dog you know we don't see that dog yeah uh yeah so we're chummin with the buddy um and chummin with the buddies you know with the buddies you're just chummin with the buddies now uh and moses is being hung from the the thing and he does a he says something that i that i really liked where he says you know some people say this is what tucker says he says some people say that like chumming and doing the shark tourism and everything is is associating boats with food, and he's kind of like, maybe it is.

You know, I don't care. Like, that's good for me kind of thing. Like, that means sharks will come to my boat. And there is some data out there that shows that could be the case. Like, shark tourism, if you are chumming and whatnot, then the sharks kind of learn. Is chumming legal, or is it, like, it varies place by place? It really depends on the place you're in and the species you're working with. Yeah.

Like, I've been in cages with great whites in the water, and they use. use, in a lot of these places, they use like a big tuna head or something. And as the shark goes for it, they pull it away from it. So it kind of like goes by the cage. And I've talked to shark biologists about it and it's kind of a gray area. Yeah. Like the tourism does a lot of good to protect the species and to like create an appreciation for them and to establish some value to the animal being alive rather than dead. But then you are possibly creating behaviors that could have some problematic kind of after effects, you know. I don't think attacks is one of them.

I think it's more like boat strikes would be the problem, like boats hitting sharks. Right. Because sharks are coming to the boat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense. These are naturally curious critters, though. Like, there's species of sharks that will follow boats. Oceanic White Tips are the ones that mostly killed the men of the USS Indianapolis.

And they do follow boats because boats tend to throw over a lot of trash and refuse and different things that sharks will eat. So boats do tend to be kind of like, oh, I'll go check that out. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so he talks about that and we see Moses get dipped in the water. He immediately kind of starts thrashing and getting scared. And Zephyr just says, do not fucking move. Don't move a muscle.

Nice. There's a bull shark in the water with him. Yeah. Nice, nice. It's great advice. It's great advice. Don't thrash. Don't thrash.

Yeah, wanted to just quickly say, if you do find yourself. in the water with the shark. Thrashing is the worst thing you can do because they have these exorcensory organs. They have a lateral line, which is a fluid-filled cavity along their side that has these tiny little hair-like nematocysts on it, and they can pick up the slightest vibrations,

and that's part of what they use to detect prey. And the sound and the vibrations in the water of a struggling fish or struggling mammal or something is something a shark is going to key in on. So if you're in the water with the shark and it's not necessarily in predator mode but you start thrashing around, that might make it click in to predator mode

when it's just investigating before that. Yeah. How do you swim without making any splashes? I mean, you can move your arms through the water. The other thing you really want to do is just keep focused on that shark. Yeah, we talked about this before because when we did the reef, I think.

Like even put your head underwater and just face it and you can even swim toward it because that's not what prey does for sharks like it tries to get away don't act like prey yeah so if you swim toward that shark if you show it like hey I'm not afraid of you I am actually the dominant one in this water right now they don't want to take that risk of coming up and biting you and at that point they're just kind of investigating they're not actually like hey this is food they're like could this be food you know And then it's like, well, it's not acting like food. Yeah, right, exactly. I also feel like I've heard that if someone is, like, being attacked by a shark, that if other people were to, like, jump in to help, that that would be actually the best thing, which all of these things are, like, go so against your, like, natural programming. But, like, yeah, if you were to jump in. And this is, this is good advice for almost any animal out there that, like, especially predators, they, they. are going through this calculus constantly of is the reward worth the risk and if you can tip that scale to where the risk is higher than the reward then they are going to get out of there and often

that's quite easy it's just showing it that you're not prey and that's yeah that's exactly what she's telling moses like hey just don't act like pray you know oh he does he does a really good job Also, why I imagine we need to, like, do better at not putting animals in positions where their, like, resources are threatened and they get more desperate and the reward is more worth the risk, like... For sure. Yeah. And that changes things.

Or if they've been fed or something, then suddenly they're like, oh, you know, there's actually, like, some really good high-calorie food coming out of these things. So it really does work. That's something, like, asserting dominance with a lot of these animals does kind of make them, like think oh you know maybe this isn't going to be worth it for me because if if a shark gets hurt or something then its life is over so it doesn't want to get hurt yeah um so moses is really still in the water it's a big bull shark uh which is one of the big three we got great whites tiger sharks and bull sharks are the three that are responsible for the most bites and uh bull sharks are they the ones that like they really look like a classic shark they do like if you're like a kid who's going to draw a shark it looks like a bull shark right exactly Yep, just a really classic shark stocky They can be found in fresh water They can travel up rivers

I've heard of them in the rivers Yeah, skewy One went all the way from like the Amazon headwater Not headwaters like the outflow in Brazil All the way to Peru It was like 4,000 mile journey in fresh water Yeah Just for fun

Oh he's having his own little like homeward bound Yeah What's he up to you? Just out of an adventure See some new stuff They're really cool shark. Whoa, that's crazy. Yeah, and one, like, I've freed dove with both sharks in clear water.

They're pretty, like, they're just kind of classic, like, curious sharks, but in murky or dark water or whatever, that's when you have to be a lot more careful with them. And he's very quiet. Sorry, I'm just getting lost in sharks. I know. It's so fascinating. I'm lost as well. Why is the murky water, because you can't see where they're, you can't, like, look at them or? So sharks, you know, we mentioned earlier, they're highly evolved, and part of that is their sensory system.

Like, I think we've heard a lot, like, about how a shark can pick up a drop of blood in an Olympic-sized swimming pool. What they're actually, like, there are two senses that they first go to are their hearing and their smell. So first it's hearing, and then it goes to smell. And then when they get closer, it's more that, like, the extra sensory stuff. So, like, the lateral line, and then their ampule of Lorenzini, which are these tiny, pores that pick up on electrical field and so the reason this all applies to what you just asked is in murky water they have the edge they have these other kind of ways to detect prey and so it makes it so they don't have to chase as much it makes it so they can sneak up on fish. Because all we've got

is sight yeah exactly and their sights really good too I mean they're just they are really good at what they do but it gives them the edge so they're much more successful in murky dark brackish kind of water where they can sneak up on stuff so it puts them into predermone it's really so amazing i want to i want to know everything about all the senses that all the animals have that we don't have like this like the electromagnet whatever you just said about that what the fuck is that like what would that be like if i had that right i'm like a little bit stressed and my whole body shuts down i like all of a sudden like everything hurts i can't move i'm blind yeah i get a It's really crazy.

I'm so weak. The thing humans forget because we just have built. We've lived in society for too long. We forget how fucking weak and like soft and pink. Just vulnerable we are to everything. Did we talk last time about how sharks are older than trees and older than the North Star? Yeah. Isn't that crazy?

It's like, stop saying a. poem to me. Like, you're just speaking poetry right now. Sharks. They're older than the North Star. People say that and what that means is like, they haven't evolved that much. Like, their form has remained pretty much consistent

because it is such a good package, you know? They're good. They really nailed it on the first try. They are on the first try. So, they're impressive, amazing animals and yeah, those ampulae of Lorenzini are like,

their last kind of thing you have to be within a few feet of a shark for that to really kick in but it does that's like what attracts them sometimes to boat motors to other things that are putting off electrical fields and scientists think it might be part of how they actually navigate the earth too is like with that organ they can pick up on alert the earth's magnetic fields so yeah it's really cool earth is amazing amazing amazing animals we are too caught up in our own bullshit. You need to go back to the earth. We do. We need to return. I can't pick up on the magnetic field of the earth. Yeah. My like period is, I think. But like, women can. Women can. Yeah. But this all, I mean, all this goes to show. Like, I've been in the water with lots of different

species of shark. I've never had anything even close to a bad encounter. And that's all about. You know, been put on a crane and dipped into the water. Yeah. That's about not acting like prey, which Zephyr is telling Moses not to do and picking the right environment. And we did mention this was the first time he's done in the day. You know, so we have clear water, better visibility. The shark might not be quite as interested in feeding because it's the middle of the day.

It's not like dawn or dusk or night. So the shark leaves him alone. Wow. He pulls Moses out of the water. Tucker's pretty disappointed. He pulls him in. We kind of think Moses is going to, you know, escape this, unscathed.

Yeah, we've seen this guy stab men in the throat. Yeah, he drops him down, stabs him in the stomach a bunch of times, like right on the side. That's his favorite way to do it. It's like a prison style, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's like, that ought to do it. That ought to crank the dinner bell. Zephyr screams, Moses grunts.

Tucker raises him back up. He's holding now his side. There's blood running down his legs into the water. The shark is swirling between. he is about to dip him back into the water when a helicopter appears and Tucker's like all right we're going to have to wait I can't remember exactly he says it's yeah intermission for the matinee reels him back in oh I can't remember what's next Sammy we see well the best the best scene is next which is they're put back in the little locked room

back on their cots, handcuffed. Moses is losing a lot of blood. He's unconscious. She's, like, calling to him and trying to keep him conscious, but he is not coming to. And she's pulling her hand so hard to try to get it out of the handcuff. And we think that we're going to get, like, a de-gloving moment. You see the, like, cuts around her wrist.

And she's pulling, she's pulling. And it's, like, just not happening. and you see in her face that she's like, okay, I've got to do something to get out of these handcuffs. No. And she's looking at Moses and we're seeing this like emotion in her eyes, this vulgar. She cares for him. She cares about this guy and she wants to help him. And so she gets this look of determination.

No, no, no, no. She tells Moses, I'm glad you're asleep for this. Yeah. She grabs her thumb. and pulls it backwards, breaks her thumb, and she's about to, like, scream in pain when the door opens and Tucker walks in. And she has to, like, put her hand behind her back

and, like, act cool. As he, again, comes in with, like, a taunting speech, and he's saying how Moses is too soft for you. You and me, we're hard, we're sharks, we're solitary. She says that I think exactly. Well, no, she doesn't. But she's basically, I really loved this, that she like never tries the fawn route, which is probably what I would have done. Yeah, me too. But I like really respect that she just is nonstop like, fuck you, you fucking loser. Like, don't fucking talk to me. I'm nothing like you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so,

and he's always, you can tell like a little bit hurt by this. He's like, oh man. leaves of his tail between his legs and he's like all right well don't forget that i'm about to fucking kill you so bye and leaves the room and you see her be like finally able to like we get a look at her broken thumb it's gnarly like dangling backwards and she's it's like broken in a way that's actually harder to get out of the cuff so then she she has to like push it like break it in another direction or at least like shift it to the to try it's not even That's not even it yet. It's not even it yet.

It's not even it yet. Stop it. And she pulls and we see that it's like even more not going to happen. Like the way that the bone has broken has made. I just was like holding my hand and being like, I mean, you'd have to break like this maybe, right? Like or the outside. Yeah. It's, it's.

Oh, like you're pinkie. I'm glad that they. Like you have to make your hand so skinny. Yes. And I'm glad that they did this because I've always kind of wondered about this because we've heard in horror movies before that. Yeah, you just got to break your thumb and then you can get out. And it's like, I don't know.

I don't know. And so it's actually kind of like, yeah, it's like this part. So what part do you break it? You got to like break it down the middle and fold it in half hot talk style. What does she do? She realizes. This is when she tells him that she's glad he's asleep. Yeah.

Oh, no. Yeah. And she realizes it's not going to work. And she puts her thumb in her mouth and just starts fucking chewing. And she bites the whole. whole thing off. Holy shit. Like a coyote in a trap.

Yeah, I was going to say this is where we get the coyote moment. Yeah. But also like truly what's the alternative? What's the fucking alternative? It does. She's out. The music is swelling, heroic music. She fucking did it.

Holy shit. And we cut to back on to Tucker getting the sedatives ready, grinding up the powders and stuff. And he's going to come down and follow him down as he always. opens the door to the little chamber that they're in and sees a pile of bloody sheets shaped like a person in her cot, goes up to it, pulls it back, and she's just left her thumb on the pillow. Hell yeah. His eyes are wide. He's completely shocked. He turns as she is able to go out the door

that he has left open and close it shut. It's the kind that just like only locks from the outside. So you can't unlock it from the inside. And she has now locked him in there. You also see that she has like bandaged Moses as best she could.

She's like torn up sheets and wrapped it around his abdomen. But is Moses in there with him? But Moses is in there with him. Oh no. I don't like that one bit. But he's like not concerned about that. He's just trying to stop her from escaping and he does have some tools with him and there's like a little like porthole type latch thing that he's able to unscrew and a little second escape area so he is

able to get out pretty quickly unfortunately she's run out to the uh why can't i think of Why can I never think of the boat works? The cabin? The cabin. Yeah. She's like calling again to anyone that's going to answer like an SOS call. She starts the boat and she's like, oh, thank God. The boat is starting.

But Tucker gets out quickly, turns off the power. Boat stops. And this is like a great, I thought, chase scene. They're chasing each other around the boat now. very intense. You're really on the edge of your seat. I can't remember all of the things that happen, but there's a point in which she closes a door between them,

and she's in the kitchen, and she tries to climb up through. There's like a skylight type thing that opens to the deck, and so she's climbing up there to get out, but then he gets into the kitchen, and he grabs her by her feet again, and he pulls her down, and, like, she smacks her head,

on the kitchen counter in such a way that these are, again, I've said this before, these are like the little moments that I'm like, how do they do that other than just like her doing that? Hitting her head on the, yeah. Like it just looks so much like she fucking smacks her head. She grabs a cast iron skillet. He's got his like little knife and they're swinging back and forth.

And she somehow knocks the knife through the palm of his hand. So he like crumbles to the, She's doing all this, like, freshly sands thumb, by the way. And we're getting a lot of close-ups of that. She's, like, climbing up ladders. You see her, like, bandaged around it. Oh, sick. Also, like, she's only got one hand with which to grab things.

You need your thumb for grabbing. She's doing both. Yeah. But just with fingers on one side. But, yeah. And she runs out to the deck and jumps in the water. And we see Tucker has a spotlight that he turns on. It is nighttime now.

the spotlights on her as she's like swimming away from the boat towards some like lights in the distance. Wes, you want to say this part? Yeah. So the lights on her and he goes to get like a spear gun or harpoon gun or something and he's aiming and then you don't see her in the light anymore. She's like a really good swimmer. She is just blazing through the water.

You see a blood trail behind her. I really like that they didn't show like a shark following her at this point because another Like this is something I recently learned is our blood isn't necessarily that appealing to most sharks because we're not part of their typical diet. And they can discern between like fish blood or seal blood or whatever. So human blood actually isn't like that big of an attractant for a shark. Because what you didn't you also say we're like mostly too bony? Yeah. Yeah.

So when they. It's not a lot of bang for your book. Yeah. We talked about this last time. But sharks don't have hands to like feel things and check things out. the way they do that is with their mouth yeah so when they bite us especially like a great white it can be really devastating but often they are like oh that's not what i was looking for you know that's like way too bony they just kind of inherently know this is not going to do anything for me you know yeah um but yeah we see her swimming she gets to the beach there's like kind of this like resort vibe to this beach there's all these bistro lights and like nice chairs uh she's climbing up the sand you think she's about to get these people's attention and Tucker comes in on a boat behind her,

grabs her, I believe he knocks her unconscious and drags her. Yeah, he like chokes her out till she's unconscious. This one's really tough because she's like, she even gets a scream for help in on the shore, but it's seemingly like pretty late at night, so not a lot of people are out and nobody hears her and he's able to, yeah, like, choke her until she passes out.

And, what the fuck? Wake up with. Yeah. When she wakes up, she's now in the harness. Tucker is ready for the main event. He decides he's going to have Moses watch her. So Moses is kind of coming to as well. He's been stabbed a bunch.

He's been harpooned, but he's still very handsome. Very much so. Yeah. You can't take that from him. No, you sure can't. She comes to in the harness, and lo and behold, his nemesis slash kind of best friend a great white shark shows up a white pointer or a white shark well first there's like the biggest bull we've ever seen yeah big bowl and he's so excited and he's like

oh my god i knew this was going to be just like the best show ever and then a little white a white shark comes up and he's like mad he's like no no get out of here you're going to ruin my show yeah he's very but he's also kind of entranced by it because it's like that's his shark that's the one that got him um and we see zephyr get lowered into the water well he's like harpooning at the great white to be like get away get out of here and he drops the harpoon into the water and zephyr is able to grab it i think that was the i think it was the bull shark he was harpooning at that point so i like i might have i thought he was excited about the white shark because that was like i thought he was like well either way he's harpooning something he's harpooning a shark and she gets the harpooned

Yeah. Harpoon falls in the water. She grabs it. She initially kind of props it on her arm to use as something to discourage the shark, which I think we talked about that last time as well. That's a great, if you can have something in between you and the shark, that's very effective. You don't necessarily want to hit it with them, but just keep it in between you and the shark. It's a great lesson there. The shark just leaves her alone. So she manages to kind of pull herself up with the harpoon. She hooks it on the hook and pulls herself up out of the. the water and is like kind of hanging and Tucker is just amazed by her at this point he can't believe like the fight that she has in her she's just so much cooler and stronger than he will yeah yeah exactly um she frees herself from the harness but as she's doing that she falls into the water oh no yeah and she plunges down deep and we see this great white this huge gray white emerge from the the darkness and it comes up and they kind of have this moment where they just look at each other and she is very calm in the water and the shark doesn't do anything to her.

It's like beautiful. I almost cried. It is kind of beautiful. Yeah. See, it's like really drawn out. It's like coming and she's like scared but still and she's like holding her bandaged hand to try to be like no blood coming out. And then yeah, it just like passes her.

And I feel like it even shows like the little harpoon scratch. So there's like a. The enemy of my enemy is. my friend. Yeah, it's like for her, just like, you're not my problem here. No, and there's an appreciation. You see her face kind of soften as they, like, you know, meet. Yeah, I like that part, too.

It was very sweet. So she, what happens next? She, he's, Tucker's, like, looking for her where she dropped in, but she swims around to the back of the boat, climbs back on, like is tiptoeing behind her way back to to the stern and grabs the harpoon gun. Moses sees her. She just gives him the little shush finger, snaky, shush, shush, shush, I'm sneaking up on him.

He wants to talk about his feelings, but she's like, no, not now, Moses. You deserve more kindness. Thank God you're here. And she, Tucker, like the last second hears her turns around. They have like a moment of eye contact and he's just so amazed. and she shoots him with the harpoon gun. It blows him back into the water. And Moses and Zephyr are watching as Tucker is now panicking in the water and thrashing

and trying to get back on the boat when he's bumped by a shark. It like pushes him a little further back like 10 feet away from the boat. And then we get a full great white shark breach. Like comes up from below Great Great great great Completely out of the water I kind of had a feeling

They were going to do this But I was really glad that they did I yeah I was I kind of also wanted him just to get like ripped apart Piece by piece like I wanted to see limbs separated and stuff first Yeah yeah yeah yeah I kind of felt like it was a little too quick and easy Easy out Yeah yeah but yeah I think

One more quick little biology note here It was an interesting look at the two species that we have in the water right here, which is the bull shark and the Great White. They're different hunting strategies. A bull shark will often bump something before it does come in and bite, and that is it just kind of checking it to make sure that it, again, is food, and then it comes in and bites. And so people that get bit by bull sharks often do feel a bump first.

Great Whites are ambush predators. So if you're like on the surface or something, they will shoot up from beneath and grab. And that they don't typically breach, but there are places in the world with a breach, and that's what we see when it grabs him as it breaches all the way out of the water, comes back down. Wow. It releases him, and we see him kind of like babbling, kind of like Heather, at the beginning of the movies, he's been ripped apart. Camera's rolling, capturing his death now. Yeah. Wow, wow.

And then you see him get pulled beneath the water. And that's the end of Tucker, the serial killer. Yep. Oh my gosh. Yay. We're watching fief. Wow, we did it. And we see the Great White kind of dive down into the darkness again.

And then we realized that the harpoon gun had been attached to a rope that is now catch a break around Zephyr's ankle and pulls her in. Are you fucking kidding? I know. I knew there was more. Just the way that you were talking. I was like, there's more. There's going to be something else.

Yeah. So that's, it's, it's, and this one's, not too bad. She does just get out. But there is like a moment of Moses now calling for her. And I think the implication here is that when he thinks that she is dead, he kind of gives up. And we see him kind of flopping over and, and giving in to die. But then Zephyr pops up, swims back to the boat, comes to Moses, and she's shaking him, Moses, wake up, wake up, wake up, he's not waking up.

Damn. She runs inside, gets a flare gun because we see there is another boat in the distance. She shoots a flare. She's screaming for help. And the other boat, like, blows the horn to be like, we see you, we're coming for you. Rescue is imminent. She's crying to Moses and she says, Moses, you have to wake up, you have to wake up. Remember when I said there is nothing for me on land?

Well, that's not true because there's you. Okay, is this a love story? He opens his eyes, yes, literally, and is like, I knew it. I just wanted to say you liked me. I was tricking you. I got you. I got to you. And that's the end of the movie.

Wow. That's the end. that's the end wow yeah i loved it i loved it what a happy ending we all love a happy ending um i wish i wish i could have that injection of energy inside of me like i can barely open my eyes in the morning like imagine imagine the energy inside of this woman unbelievable stakes are pretty high to be fair it has a yeah you never know the whole movie and i mean this in like the best way possible it has like a looney tunes energy to it where there's like frying pans and things being wrapped around people's ankles and pulling them and like lots of like bonking heads on things and stuff lots of chases but she really gets beat up a lot but it's it like really works i don't know it just shows how tough she is and she's an awesome yeah like final girl i thought her performance was really really good and she's a total badass and yeah oh my god you're gonna have to for the rest of your life though answer how you lost your thumb and that sucks it's a long story it's a long story people are gonna be like oh you how'd you

lose your phone. I bid it off to get out of the handcuffs while it was trying to feed me to sharks. You'll never believe it. Wow. Thank you guys. Oh, Wes, it's always such a delight having you on this because you will provide just a whole other

level of expertise. I know so much about sharks. I wouldn't know otherwise. Yeah, and I mean, this is as good a time as any, I guess, to like talk about this again. But, um, You know, I think last year, there was somewhere around 80-something bites worldwide from sharks. And I think probably less than 10 of those were fatal.

So rare. That's worldwide with millions of people going into the water every single day in water that has a lot of sharks. And I mean, there's drone pilots that are every day out in California filming Great White, swimming underneath surfers every single day. And they don't do anything. They don't care about us. They don't see us as prey. It is these crazy things where, like, all the planets line up that cause these bites to happen. And that's not to say these aren't dangerous animals.

They are. You know, they are, like animals that we... You know, who kills more people? Men? Yeah, exactly. Mosquios. Like, significant. They are, they are really, you need to respect them.

You need to be prepared for them. They do have the ability to do harm to us. But we kill almost 100. million sharks a year like that it's that's the number that gets thrown out we don't actually even know how many we're killing because they get killed through bycatch they get killed through direct finning practices for for shark fin soup they get killed by you know targeted as as like a sport fishing kind of thing like even just during this time that we talked tens of thousands of sharks have been killed so they are very important to the ocean one thing that I love just to tell people is even

if you don't like an animal doesn't mean it doesn't have just intrinsic value even if it's not important to its ecosystem it has the right to exist you tell that to me even about mosquitoes and i really i really i really i don't know it's a tough one you'd hate the kick i'm on right now i don't even swap mosquitoes anymore because i just can't bring myself to do it wow i just think i think that There's something to be said for something that has existed for so long in such a perfect state and that has the ability that it could kill hundreds of thousands of people every year if it wanted to and it doesn't. You know? And they're beautiful animals. If you ever have the chance to see one underwater, even if it's just in an aquarium or whatever, nothing moves through the water like a shark. They are just gorgeous, streamlined, graceful. I don't want to cry. Beautiful animals. I love him. Silas got to touch a shark in an aquarium. aquarium recently and he's been telling everyone and I touched a shark and he's very feeling very brave about it. I don't I wasn't there so I didn't get to witness this but yeah he's he was in awe of the

shark. I love sharks. We should be. Mm-hmm. Sharks are awesome. Yeah. West, did you see Eli Roth's shark documentary, Finn? I didn't. No. Is it terrible? Is it really that? No, it's good. And, and I feel like we talk about it when we talk about Eli Roth, who we don't like any of his movies. I don't like Eli Roth. No, like Eli. We don't like it. We don't like a single thing about him. He's like public enemy number one. And then I'm like, but he made that one. But he likes sharks. He loves sharks. He does do a lot of like shark, raising shark awareness and shark activism. So we have to give him that credit for that one thing. That one thing. Fine. Fine. Yeah. It's, it's, they're unfortunate like, in that they do scare a lot of

people because if we had whales being killed at that level or dolphins being killed at that level people would be up in arms about it but it's this is an animal that a lot of people don't think they think it's scary and they would rather have an ocean without them and an ocean without sharks would look very different than the oceans that we have now would be much less productive and much less wild and we need to keep our wild spaces we really do so yeah the dangerous animals were the... Are humans. All along.

Yeah. Well, thank you for getting our hearts to grow a thousand sizes per usual. You're welcome. Yeah. We're just like little grinches with our hearts just being cool. I've had sleepless nights

thinking about sharks being killed. I remember going to a shark exhibit in Vegas at Mandalay Bay. They had like a specific... This is when I was like a teenager. I was there and just wanted to go to the shark specific exhibit by myself and he had on the little guided tour headphones and that was the first time I heard the like 100 million sharks are killed a year number and I just burst into tears

and I had like a real breakdown in Mandalay Bay as like a little 14 year old by myself and I was like it's not right this is not right you guys seen the child walking around Mandalay Bay crying like where is Missed sparing talking babbling about sharks and she's crying the sharks yeah I just learned like the oceanic white tips the ones in the USS Indianapolis like they a lot of researchers think they're down 98% holy shit historic numbers so yeah it's I mean it's dire if they don't get some real protection quick which is starting to happen um like some of these species will go like extinct soon yeah so yeah it's pretty pretty drastic anyway we love them we love we do in this house we love sharks in this house we respect sharks

Those are something else? What else do we do? I forgot all the other things. Osgood Perkins. Oh, yeah, we're like, Osgood Perkins. Sharks, and that's it. And that's it. In this house, that's it.

Wes, another wonderful episode. Thank you for joining us. Your plaque is coming. It's in the mail. Will you tell our listeners who don't know where they can find you? And what you got going on? Yeah. Our podcast is called Tooth and Claw.

It's me, my little brother, Jeff, and our best friend, Mike. And it is all about animal attacks, what we can learn from them, how often the animals are just acting naturally and the human is doing something wrong. So you kind of get the story, which is fun. And we all like hearing those stories, but then a bit of an explanation from a wildlife biologist myself. And we think it empowers people to be a little bit more prepared to go out into the great outdoors, whether that's, you know, a park in California or a wilderness in Montana. I was going to say, Wes, actually, I went to camping. I went backpacking for one night in the Sequoias. And I felt like more brave.

First of all, because there's no grizzlies there. And I, like, now know the difference because otherwise I would have been like, well, bears is like means death. Like, I'm going to die out here. Any bear's dog? And I really did have moments where I was like, no, if we see a black bear, we just have to like make some noise and like try to look big and it'll probably get scared away really easily. That's great. Yeah.

And it, yeah, it really did make me feel less stressed. Usually camping, I'm like, I can't sleep. I'm like hearing every noise and I'm like, I'm about to die. I'm about to die. Slept like a baby. Wow. Empowered with knowledge. That's the whole point of tooth and claw.

So I'm glad it's working. Yes. You can find this wherever you find your podcasts. And yeah, a plug for this. series, we just did a three-part on the men of the USS Indianapolis. I will definitely be listening. And I really dug into that one. So, yeah.

Great. Great. Well, I'm back anytime y'all want me. Any animal movie, feel free to give me a call. Any end, literally every. There's no other way to do an animal movie. What haven't we done yet? We did, uh, did we do anaconda?

Yeah, Anaconda. Oh, yeah, baby, we did. Oh, that was fun. That was a fun one. We did cocaine bear. So we've done, we need like, we need to do like, um, Lake Placid or something. Should we do arachophobia? Snakes on a plane.

Arachnophobia. I just watched that, actually. That'd be a good one. Yeah. We will obviously. That would dig into my deep fears. Because remember how I slept in my parents' room for like a decade? Because I was convinced that giant spiders were going to take over the world and start an apocalypse.

And I was going to wake up like in a spider's nest. I was convinced. It would be bad to wake up in a spider's nest. I was, I thought I was convinced. I wasn't scared of humans at all. I was only scared of giant spider. is killing me. Yeah.

Sure. Well, we know what we're doing. We know what we'll be doing next time. I'm your guy. Okay. And obviously we got to sign off with an Australian accent. Obviously.

Obviously. Yeah. Heaps. Jai caught me. So from all of us here at Too Scary Didn't Watch. It's really weird there. Goodbye. Goodbye.

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