Too Scary; Didn't Watch - HELL OF A SUMMER with Finn Wolfhard and Billy Bryk

Episode Date: April 9, 2025

Friendship bracelets, weenies over the fire, and a gritty re-telling of Pinocchio -- we're recapping our new favorite camp slasher HELL OF A SUMMER! Honored to be joined by the writers, directors and STARS of the film, Finn Wolfhard and Billy Bryk for an interview at the end of the episode. Call your grandmothers, we're going to summer camp!Movie Intro @ 16:05Recap starts @ 29:12Interview with Finn & Billy @ 01:29:44TrailerFollow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram.Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content!Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy.Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammie and I love watching scary movies and so I watch them so that you don't have to. And we have a new release for you guys today. What is this? Hellchell already? Very exciting.

Brand spanking shiny news. What the hell is this? And if you are just chomping at the bit, what is it, what could it be? You have not for some reason looked at the title of the episode. No judgment. Some people listen to it on random on a shuffle player.

So, you know, they exist. The people who don't know what episode it is until we tell them. But FYI, there are timestamps in the show notes so that you can navigate to whatever part of the episode you are most excited to listen to. Because right now we are gonna start with finding out if anything scary happened to us this week.

Emily, we'll start with you. Oh my God, that's not how we normally do this. But whoa. But I'm gonna- Thank you. That could be the scary thing is being, but whoa. But I'm going to- Thank you. That could be a scary thing is being- You know what? I'm ready. So lightly put on the spot a little.

I'll have to be kept on my toes. So much of life is easy to go on autopilot. And right here, right now, I've been shown that life can come out too fast. And that's a little scary, but what I was also going to say that is scary is that so at work this week, we are beginning to plan for and develop and design for the next set of months collection. Yes, the fall. And so we're pulling inspo research and the overall.

I hope I can talk about this. Well, the overall, like, aesthetic that we're going for for this next collection is Indie Sleeves, which is basically like the year 2012. And it is revisiting that time is completely insane. Oh no, that's like long tank tops. Long tank tops, okay, okay. It's really so. Moto jackets, skinny jeans, scarves.

Do you remember when we, skinny scarves. Do you remember when we used to wear, and obviously it's gonna be like good and hot and better and whatever, but two things. One, it's insane that like good and hot and better and whatever. But two things, one, it's insane that like what I was wearing in college is what is now gonna be marketed to Gen Z, that's fucking crazy. Two, it's crazy that we wore this stuff in college.

So do you remember when women wore like, those like peacock feather headbands? Oh, those are like not okay to wear for some reason. I mean, cause they're not, you don't mean like the Native American like headdresses. No, no, no. It's almost like flapperish vibes, but like it was like very like, you guys didn't watch Gossip Girl, did you? No, but I feel like I can picture. It's like everything that like Jenny Humphreys was wearing when she was like, like edgy and like.

Being cool. Like it's so. That's what I do. Remember from. That's's so funny. That's what I do. Remember from that's what I do. That's what I do. Oh my God. I'm your sister. It's just, oh sorry.

It's what I do. Sorry. Some very specific reference. Such a neat reference. That's for five of you. Maybe if we're lucky. Maybe six, maybe four. I'll send you a picture.

You'll remember immediately the freaking. Like ripped black skinny jeans. Yes, and like low big belts that aren't doing anything. Yes. It's just, it's just really wild to be revisiting that time in history. And look, we're getting older and it's just very, and it's just a little, it's just like,

nobody looked good then. Yeah. But everything comes back around and you find ways to make the old new again and I am excited. It's just been a very, very strange, nostalgic in a weird way time. I'm excited to see what comes of this,

like what the new spin is, you know, how they make it hot, which they will. Which they will, which they will. It seems like a big. You guys, Google 2012 fashion and it will blow your fucking mind to remember the shit that we were wearing, which was like.

Statement necklaces? Yes, oh my God, that was another thing I saw. Like remember when women used to, and sorry, guilty as fucking charged because I am a white lady who shopped at American Apparel. That, do you remember when women wore like owl necklaces? Yes. Owl necklaces.

Yes, big, big owls. Was like 2012, a big owl necklace. I guess I did that. I definitely did that. I had the like peacock feather headband. Again, not, I don't think culturally appropriation, although it probably was in some respects. I mean, I don't know.

Like, I don't, probably not right to be doing. It wasn't right one way or the other. It wasn't, no matter what, it was not right. Oh, teeny tiny shorts and like thigh high socks. Oh my God. Just really crazy shit, you guys. What a time. What a time. What a time.

I just remember, I actually remember, I think it's probably like 2008, realistically, 2009. I remember buying a pair of like black skinny jeans and being like, whoa, everything has been unlocked. I can wear anything with these pants and look so fucking cool in my cool fucking black skinny jeans like this is it. This is the only piece of clothing I need and like everything else falls into place.

And just being like, wow, I've made it like I'm an adult now. Yeah. Oh my god, like stupid fucking like fedora bowler hats. Oh, the hats. Sorry, I shouldn't preface it by saying stupid fucking because people still wear those. Maybe you can pull it off. I certainly wasn't around anybody who could.

I remember my college boyfriend, the summer between my sophomore and junior year, we went on a beach vacation and he wore a fedora to the airport. Oh my God. Yes, he did. Yes, he did. a beach vacation and he wore a fedora to the airport. Oh my God. Yes he did, yes he did. Oh, a woven straw fedora.

Oh boy. And it wasn't like a joke. You know. No, none of it was a joke. That was the thing. It was very much. It was all serious. Very serious, like.

Yeah. You know. What a time to revisit. Yeah? What a time to revisit. What a time to revisit. I mean, the fashion these days has been quite off kilter. So whenever that's revisited. Everything's off kilter. Yeah.

Yeah, anyway. I don't have anything to talk about for a scary thing. I just want to say, you guys notice this fucking shadow behind me? You paying attention to the shadow over here? It's spooky as hell. It's spooky as hell. What kind of plant is that? I don't know.

It's a house plant that's slowly, slowly dying and it's dying such a slow death that we are just pretending it's not happening. But it is a beautiful... Yes. Yes, wait, sorry, Emily's just showing us a picture of Mary-Kate Olsen. It's not happening, but it is a beautiful, yes. Yes, wait, sorry, Emily's just showing us a picture of Mary-Kate Olsen.

I showed the Peacock Feather headband. That is Mary-Kate Olsen, right? It is, yeah. Okay. Anyway, wait, but you guys are so good at keeping plants alive. Oh, it's all Tim. I do nothing to keep any plant alive in this entire house.

And he's not doing anything wrong. I think that it's just, it's always going as strong as it is because he takes such a good care of it. I think it's just not meant to be in that location. I think that it needs more or less sunlight. But anyway, it's casting a very- More or less. Yeah, they always need more or less something. Yeah, I mean- It's true. Don't ask me what the answer is. But look at this. Because this is an audio medium, I understand no one can visually see this, what I'm referencing, but it actually looks like

a very huge claw, like a monster claw is cast right behind me. It's giving heffalumps and woozles from that Winnie the Pooh. Heffalumps and woozles, that's scary. Like scary, spooky shadows. We should recap heffalumps and woozles. That thing scared me. It scared me too. I remember one time.

Well and it scared poo. It scared poo real bad. I remember one time I couldn't sleep and my sister showed me that, whatever that was, like that movie. We watched that movie. Cause it's in a Winnie the Pooh movie, which seems like an okay thing to watch.

But. Blustery day. Yes. Winnie the Pooh and the blustery Day or something like that. Ooh, I kind of want to rewatch that scene and get spooked again. Yeah, I got nothing for you. I got a shadow.

I got- She's got a spooky shadow, folks. I got a spooky shadow. You know what? We're all doing what we can with what we've got. The things that I could talk about that are scary will just simply kill the mood. It'll kill the vibe.

Well, yeah. And the vibe is really at an all time high. I don't want to do that. I don't want to take us from peak 2012 fashion down to the deep valleys of where I could take us. Yeah, no, no, no. We got a spooky plant clock. That's all we need. 2012 fashion down to the deep valleys of where I could take us. Yeah, no, no, no. We got a spooky plant clock.

That's all we need. I got something that can keep us riding high. Although there's a little bit to the deep, deep depths of the ocean because I am going to Europe. I don't know when this episode's going to come out. Maybe I'll be in Europe. Say going to the deep, deep depths of the ocean. I was like, see me, what the fuck?

I am going to the deep, deep depths of the ocean. No, but I am going to Dublin. It'll be my first time in Ireland. So freaking excited. It's gonna be scary. Not, I'm really gonna have to not do an Irish accent in front of people or like parrot what people are saying to me.

That's gonna be really scary and really hard. You're gonna start doing an Irish accent, I think while you're there. And I think you just have to roll with it. You gotta just lean into it, baby. Maybe, maybe. But it's genuinely, I'm kind of really stressed about it. Because I love Irish accents and I just wanna be cool about it because I love Irish accents

and I just want to be cool about it. I just want people to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you think that if like an Irish person was trying to do an American accent, it would bother you? I think if it was constant, if they just like repeated everything you said back to you, but you're not gonna do that.

I'm not, but. She's probably like, I don't know who I am in Ireland. I've never been in Ireland. I could be a different person. I just don't know. Like there's gonna be a part of. Like you imagine yourself being like, like literally parroting back every single thing.

I think in my brain, I'm going to be doing that. I'm just gonna be thinking about like, oh, I loved that sentence. I loved the way they said that. So that's gonna be. People can tell when they're being flattered, I think, even if they don't like it. You know, if it's done in a spirit of admiration,

I think that, you know. And you have more tact than you realize, Sammy. I mean, I don't think you're gonna be. And you're so pretty. You're also beautiful. That counts for a lot. Who could be mad? Who could be mad?

Irish listeners, let us know in the comments if you would appreciate me. Do you guys like that or? Everything, everything you said back to you or like just a selection of my favorite things that you said. Maybe not everything you said to me. If it's just in the spirit of admiration.

Spirit of admiration, a little bit of jealousy and just wanting to be you. I guess the danger is if you're really drunk, then things could get out of hand. I could see how one or too many Guinness would be. One or too many. One or too many Irish whiskey. You start talking about leprechaun

and that's not gonna go over well. The leprechaun accent is like, I want me gold. Yeah, don want me gold. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. And honestly, probably safe to say don't ever do that.

I think we can just be- Out of context of a leprechaun recap. Yeah, that's the only time. Fair enough. But one of the things that I will be doing while in Dublin is I'm gonna take a train up to Belfast, which as we all know, is where the Titanic was built. And I will be going to the Titanic Museum.

This is huge. This is like an origin story for you. You're going home. It's a pilgrimage. It's a pilgrimage. What if I bring my Titanic costume and just walk around doing an Irish accent? Yeah.

Face fully painted. Your Titanic costume is so funny too because it's me just quite literally for a screen. So like you would just be wearing normal clothes. So my whole body is normal clothes and I just have a cardboard cut out of the Titanic on my face. You could probably fit that in your suitcase.

I definitely could. I definitely could. Do you still have that? I do, yeah. Okay, well. You don't get rid of something like that. I've thought about getting rid of it a couple of times, and I'm like, I can't take up much space.

No harm in keeping it here in my closet. Yeah. You never know when it'll come up handy, say going to the premier Titanic museum in the world. So yeah, mostly very exciting, but I'm just a little scared of who will I become at the Titanic museum in Ireland. It's like a little much, a little over-simulating for me.

I just got the chills thinking about it. It'll be like when I got, I like cried immediately upon getting to Paris cause I was like, oh God, oh God, oh God. Oh God, here it is. Yeah, it's too much. Oh no, oh no. Yeah, you're too close to the sun,

flying too close to the sun. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But anybody in Ireland, send me like recommendations. If you have, we're not there too long, but maybe a favorite bar, favorite restaurant, who knows? Obviously, I got the most important thing covered already. Yeah, yeah. Everything else is just extra.

It's all extra. Wow, so definitely we'll update you guys on how that goes. Obviously, it'll be scary to miss you while I'm gone. Oh, I'm very worried about that actually. I'm really gonna miss you and I'll be back soon. So don't even worry and I'll have stories to tell. Tales to tell, tales to tell for time and art. Oh, tales, Ireland.

Tales of the Titanic. Oh, Titanic tales to tell. Oh, oh yeah. Oh yeah. Sammy and her tales. In Ireland, are they doing all that? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, Ireland. Oh, yeah, in my version of Ireland. In my mind, they are doing it, boyo. She's so charming and beautiful. Who could be mad at her? Well, I would be mad, but she's so very pretty.

Oh, no. All right, well. Well, that was fun. That was fun. That was really fun. And I don't think anybody could be upset because it was done in the spirit of the picture. That's right. It's all love and light.

Love and light to you and yours. Love and light to you and yours. That's all we have now is love and light. So how could it be anything but? Let's talk about this week's movie now. Yeah, let's do it. Now that we're absolutely filled to the brim with love and light. This week we are going to be recapping Hell of a Summer.

It is written and directed by Finn Wolfhard and Billy Brick. Starring Finn Wolfhard, Billy Brick, Fred Heschinger, DeFarro, Wunatai, Abbi Quinn, Pardis, Saremi, and Krista Nazair. It is in theaters now. Wow. A brand spanking new release. A brand spanking new release. They did unfortunately not time it for Hell Jella.

Hell of a summer, Hell Jella of a summer. It would have been nice, it would have been nice. Would have been nice. Preview, a little preview of what's to come. Exactly, it's just getting amped. You know, Summer Scary is so very fun. We all watched it. Wow. I loved it.

I loved every second of it. So brave these two. I know, you can handle it. And you also. It's fun. There is some gore, but it's manageable. And also Fred Heschinger, if that's how you say his last name, he was in season one of the White Lotus and I loved him in that.

I've been like, where are you? I need more of you. Well, he was in Gladiator too. And I also loved him in that. Oh, I still haven't seen Gladiator 2. He's great in it. He's really funny. He's really very funny. Him and Joseph Quinn are, I think, my favorite parts in it.

Oh, I love Joseph Quinn. I like have a big crush on Joseph Quinn. Yeah, they play freaky twin brothers that are really silly. Really nasty and silly. Really nasty and silly. It's worth a watch. There's sharks in the gladiator arena.

I did not like that part. I did not like that part. Did they do it in the Roman times? That's surprising. We'll never know. We'll never know. But we did all watch this movie and we're gonna all do the recap.

And it's, yeah, it's not too scary. I think anybody can do it. It's really like clearly pulling a lot of inspiration from classic slashers. So it's really fun for fans of the genre because there's a lot of little fun nuggets where like, oh, this feels like it's from that and this feels like it's from that.

And also who doesn't love a summer slasher? Like, come on, it's just, it's this freaking- Also a summer camp. Like I wanna go to summer camp so badly. We probably talked about this before, but did you guys go to summer camp ever? I did, but not one like this. I never went to like a in the woods stay in cabins,

like campy campy summer camp. Yeah, I did a ton of summer camps and I did a few like away camps, but I never did actual like sleep away camp like this. I did like sports sleep away camp, which honestly sucked so hard. Like, that was fucking horrible. But I was like to mostly I was just too scared to leave my leave my house.

I didn't want to have to sleep anywhere else. Yeah, there's a lot of potential for spooky things to happen at a summer camp. Obviously, obviously. I went to sixth grade science camp, which was kind of a summer camp. It did have this vibe, but it was not the sort of thing that happened year after year.

And I am envious of the dynamics that happen when you have like camp friends that you see once a year. That I did have. That's fun. Yeah, I went to like a, it was just a one week camp every summer for like my whole childhood. And that was really cool.

You would have, like there was a lot where I would like write letters to some of my camp friends. Isn't that where your sister met her husband? It is and where I met my first husband. Oh, right. That too, that too. I'd forgotten that part.

So connections were made. Some laughed, some didn't. But it was, yeah, having summer camp friends was really, it was really cool. And you would be so excited to, it was that feeling that, and we will get into it in the recap, but of just like, especially when you're a kid,

the feeling of just your whole year leading up to this one stretch of time in the summer and how meaningful that is. It's a huge, I think it's actually really important because you get to be a different type of person at camp than you are at school or at home. And like, I think that's the whole reason why it's so meaningful to so many kids is because it's like, okay, camp, I can be like this version of myself instead of having to be this other versions.

And I feel like I had that a little bit at the day camp I went to. I went to Oxford kids camp forever, and then I was a counselor there. But not it's different when you're sleeping. It's different when you're there all the time. It's like, you know, just hard to replicate that. I mean, summer camp is really great. Summer camp is like, it is very special. I mean, in this instance, some bad stuff happens.

Oh, certainly, certainly. I wouldn't want this to happen. That's not every camp. That's not every camp. No, no, no. In fact, there are a few of them. Only, yeah, only a handful, I'm sure. This is happening.

A handful at most. A small little handful, yeah. We do not have any of the budget or numbers because as we're recording this, the movie's not out yet. We got screeners, not to brag. Yeah, not to brag. So do your own research. That's on you.

And not a lot of trivia, but I'll just say, Finn Wolfhard and Billy Brick's directorial debut, they wrote and directed it together. Finn was 19 when they wrote it and Billy was 22. Like fucking crazy. So fucking crazy. It's very impressive. Good for them.

What was I doing when I was 19? Oh When I was 19, I was wearing those fucking peacock feather head I was trying to I was desperately trying to drink natty light over a trash can like chug it and then like yeah when you stab The keys into it. Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah Light in front of someone's lawn. That's definitely what I was doing too. Drinking punch out of a plastic storage container that everybody's hands went into.

I was definitely doing that. Yeah. So different. Different. I mean, who knows? Maybe Finn and Billie make time for that as well. It's not one or the other. It's not one or the other.

You can do it all. So before we get into this recap, there's just one thing left to do. There's just simply one thing left to do. And that is take a look at this trailer. Wee. You're 24 years old and you're still going to summer camp. Look at this trailer. Woohoo! I Know a few of you are first-time counselors phones go in the basket. Let's also remember no drinking no smoking Hey Shannon, we were talking about a fire and

That's had me anything new she blew you what no no. I blew her. Best couple of weekends yet! Mike? Go, go, go! What is happening right now? There's a killer on the roof! What? Hello? She's dead! What's going on?

Jason's saying that Demi's been killed. You guys stole my fucking murder mystery party idea, didn't you? No one knows who we're dealing with here. I know how we could get some answers. Everybody, join hands together. We're gonna bless the board. I don't fuck with ghost shit. Do you fuck with getting brutally murdered outside? The killer is someone that we all know

the killer is 40 fucking five and you still go to summer camp I'm so much blood. Be shut. Oh, this is bad. I've had so much worse than I thought I was gonna be. You know what they say, a bad day behind me is better than a good day anywhere else. The line's been cut. I've always wanted to say that.

We're gonna die. We're all gonna die. Yeah, yeah. It's fun. I'm glad Gen Z is still using Ouija boards, you know, that Ouija boards haven't faded away. Yeah, that's important. Although- I think they should be around always. When I was probably 19, for a fall break, I did go, I might have already told the story in the podcast,

but I went to a cabin for a long weekend with friends and they brought a Ouija board and I was so mad. I was like, I did not consent to being present when a Ouija board is brought to a cabin. You say this is dangerous. You're putting me in direct danger. Yep. And-

But it was fine. You really have to ask. You really have to ask people to like, you know, sign a waiver or something before you bring a Ouija board. Absolutely, we all have to decide it's okay. Yeah, I mean, it's great. The acting's really good. I just love, I just love Fred Heschinger

and Finn Billiard grade. And they're all just, acting's really good. I just love, I just love Fred Hesinger and Finn and Billy are great. And they're all just, it's real fun. It's also like, it's a lot of faces I hadn't really seen before. And I really loved that. It's like a really, yeah, it's a really diverse cast. It's a really like fun, dynamic, good ensemble. I was really like, really excited to see all of that.

Yeah, I was gonna say, I've actually never seen Billy Brick in anything before, full disclosure. And he was just really cracking me up. There's like a little clip in the trailer, you see where he's like, oh my God, that's so much worse than I thought. I don't know if part really made me laugh.

And then Deferro Wunatai, he's from Reservation Dogs. And he's really great. And I'm happy to see him in this as well. Yeah, wow. Kids are the future, Gensie, you guys. Kids are the future. You are your adults, I guess. Yeah.

You have that face of just like. Wait, it's like the Daenerys Targaryen, like, and then it was just recently in White Lotus with Leslie Bibb being like, did you vote for Trump and her being like, hmm. You know, I think you know. I mean, really gonna talk about politics. Which speaking of you guys, White Lotus tonight,

I'm really excited. I'm really excited, not to change the subject, but like, I can't wait to find out what weird little shit Greg Gary's been getting up to into his. Greg Gary. Greg Gary's been getting up to. Greg Gary, Greg Ross. Greg Gary, Greg Ross. Then finish.

Yeah, this, I'm glad I watched this movie. I'm like glad that it was one that we could all handle because this is like the kind of energy of a horror movie that I can do, you know? It's like, it's meant to be having a good time. This movie wants you to have a good time while you watch it. And I thank them for that. Because I too wanna have a good time.

Me too. And we hope that we can help you have a good time in this retelling. I hope, I so hope. I so hope. And if you're being brave, it's probably a really fun one to go see in theaters. Yeah, I bet that this is a fun theater experience.

Cause it's, yeah, it's campy, it's splashy, it's gory. It's funny, it's doing all the blockbuster-y things that you want to see from a summer. Or again, I know that it is April, but earlier today I did say, well, it's the dead of summer. I know you did. And then I realized that it is not. But you know what, whatever, you know, basically is.

You and I are in Los Angeles where it's summer all year round. It's cold as fuck here. Except for some months. Summer all year round. It's cold as fuck here. Except for some... Summer all year round. Yeah. We have to do a whole podcast like this. What's up?

People would love it. I think we should freaking get into it. Let's do it. And we should say if you're one of those people who doesn't look at a single thing visually on your podcast app to give you any indication of what's to come, we'll just say that we're gonna have a fun little interview

with Finn and Billy at the end of this episode. Finn and Billy, my friends. Ever heard of them, Finn and Billy? To talk to them about making this movie, which is very exciting. So there's also that to look forward to. Pretty exciting stuff. That is very exciting, wow. Wow. that to look forward to. Wee! Pretty exciting stuff. That is very exciting, wow.

Wow. Wow. Wow. Stay tuned folks. Freaking stay tuned, but don't go anywhere yet because there's a whole recap to do. And guess what? It starts right now.

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in anything for a little while. Adam Pally and his girlfriend, their names are, or maybe wife, I don't know their relationship status, but they are a couple and it is their John and Kathy. It's Rosabed Baker, right? and his girlfriend, their names are, or maybe wife, I don't know their relationship status, but they are a couple and it is they're John and Kathy. It's Rosebud Baker, right? Rose, yes. I like her.

I've heard her be interviewed a bunch of other things. I've been seeing her Z-Way clips recently and they really make me laugh. What's she from? She's just a stand-up comedian. Oh, nice. The just a stand-up comedian, like it's hard. Just a comedian. They are nice. The just to stand up comedian. Like it's hard. Just a comedian.

They are sitting around a little bonfire to the two of them. Adam Pally is playing the guitar. They're having a nice little time. She keeps swatting him with a fly swatter. The vibe is really fun. We're feeling good. They have cute chemistry. They've got cute chemistry.

They sing, then she requests, play the Camp Pioneer song. He does, he plays on the guitar. They've got cute chemistry. They sing, then she requests, play the Camp Pinemay song. He does, he plays on the guitar. They both sing, oh my God, Camp Pinemay is the best. We love it, we love it. That's the song. Yeah, that's right. And then she says, I'm gonna go get more beer.

She gets up to get more beer. And when she gets up, we sense a sinister presence. We're getting some POV shots. We're getting some like- The, we're getting some like... The tone shifts. The tone shifts. We get the sense that something unwanted is there with them.

She goes to get the beer, none the wiser, comes back out. His chair is empty and she says, where'd the tunes go? And she turns, sees he is dead on the ground with the neck of his guitar shoved into his mouth and through the back of his head. Really unfortunate and unpleasant way to go. Really bad. She screams, she runs to the car.

Love to see this. Get in your car, drive away. You know what's funny is my first instinct was like, I think I wouldn't assume he was murdered, which is crazy. But that's what I was thinking. You wouldn't assume he was murdered? No, no, no, I'm not kidding. I was like, I really feel like if I was in that situation,

my first instinct would be like, oh, it's been a horrible accident. Like he tripped something bad. It was a bad angle. It was just about, it was one of those classic bad angles. Yeah. He fell onto his guitar and then, and then lay back face up. Yet another reason why I'd be murdered immediately. Cause my like defenses are so down. Like they're just like assuming the best. Terrible accident has taken place. I mean, I guess you'd still be scared. I was gonna say that the merits to it are like being less scared, which is nice before you die.

That's true. Yeah, that's true. You must maybe be more level-headed if you're not scared. That may be, who knows? Who knows? And I hope we never find out. I hope we never find out.

But she does think that he was murdered and she's right about that. So she runs to her car, gets in the driver's seat, freaking out, trying to get the car to turn on, turns the car on, turns the lights on and they shine into the like woods ahead of her. We're really freaked out. We're like, something's gonna come into this view.

What's gonna happen? What's gonna happen? She's not moving, just wide-eyed. And we're like, what's going on? What's going on? What's going on? When is she moving? And then her head falls forward onto the steering wheel and we see a knife had been stuck through the headrest, killing her, stabbing her in the head. And we see there is a masked figure in her backseat.

Hell of a summer. Titles. Great kill. Love a little cold open like that, great kill. And a very fun reveal that that's what had happened. We cut to Fred Heschinger, head out the passenger window like a sweet puppy dog, feeling the breeze.

He's being driven by his mom to Camp Pine Way. She is telling him, he really needs to figure out his future. He needs to get a real job. It's pretty weird that he's going back to work. At summer camp, he's 24. He's like, I know, I know, I am gonna figure out my future,

but John and Kathy specifically asked me to come back this year because they needed help running the camp. And how many times do you get, I have my whole life to like be an adult, but how often do you get to go to summer camp? But we get, he's, Peter Pan syndrome a little bit. He really just wants to keep coming back to summer camp.

Delay, adulthood, hey, we get it. I also just, this woman who's the actress for the mom was like so perfect. And when he's leaning his head out the window, she just starts rolling the window off. Such an asshole move. And he's like, whoa, what's wrong? And she goes, I got cold. I got cold.

Perfect dynamic. Yeah, she tells him he's only making $100 a week. She's really not thrilled with the choices that her son has made, but she is driving him to camp and I suppose that's pretty nice of her to do. As he's pulling up to camp, we see the big Camp Pinway sign. The Camp Pinway song is playing. We're getting very classic camp vibes, cabins, a lake,

the outdoorsy kind of stuff. You get the drill. It's really reminding me of the only thing that comes to mind for me with this kind of summer camp, which is the parent trap. It's very much Camp Walden vibes. Um, we see in the office cabin pictures on the wall of who we now know have been murdered, Adam Pally and Rosebud and cut to a red, cool convertible driving down the road. Hell yeah. This is Finn Wolfhard and Billy Brick.

Their character names are Chris and Bobby. They're driving to camp. We get the vibe that they've been going to this camp for a while, but this is their first summer as counselors. They're really excited. They're talking about they're gonna get to hook up with girls like probably are, because we're counselors now.

So like that's pretty cool. And Bobby's like, is my, I'm wearing Pukachon necklace. Like, is that a cool necklace? And Chris is like, now. So like that's pretty cool. And Bobby's like, is my wearing Pukashell necklace? Like, is that a cool necklace? And Chris is like, yeah, no, it's really cool. Like this is going to be a great summer. This is going to be totally awesome. They pull up a camp. We see all the other counselors are like arriving at camp.

So we're getting the fact that like, I don't know, training week counselors come before the camp starts. These are all like 18 to 20 year olds. You bet you believe what that vibe is going to be like. A big group like 18 to 20 year olds. You bet you believe what that vibe is going to be like. A big group of horny 20 year olds. And one car arrives. This car has Mike and some other, I don't know, counselors and he comes out and he does the Camp Pine Way chant.

He's like, when I say pine, you say way, pine way, pine way. And everyone's all so fucking amped. This is the highlight of their year. Chris and Bobby pull up, Bobby gets out of the car and he's like, when I say pine. And one of the counselors like, we already did that. He's so bummed. He's like, I wanted to be the one to do the cheer.

Things are already not off on the right foot for him this summer. We see a hot girl named Demi pulling up. She is not dressed for the outdoors. She is wearing a little dress. She's got too many suitcases. She's on her phone. Jason is like, she's so friendly, excited,

happy to see everybody. He's trying to talk to her. She's not really into him, but he like carries her suitcases into her cabin. Does she call him Nathan? I feel like she calls him the wrong name. Yeah, I'm sure she does. I'm sure she does, but he's really being like,

I'm so just not getting the memo that he is unwanted. She says, at one point she goes, okay, see ya. And he goes, great to see you too. So. Yeah, it's great to see you too. It's like a perfect like, like quote unquote misunderstanding. Yeah, that really made me laugh. Yeah, he's like really so enthusiastic

about seeing her and everyone. He's like delusional. Yeah, it's sad. It's a little sad. He's like really friendly, but it's no one's wanting it and it's sad. And he's very good at playing this character. We see she's like, okay, bye. And immediately doesn't starts doing like an Instagram makeup

tutorials, like, hi, everybody. Just immediately talking to Instagram live again, this is like, she's not, this isn't ready for camp, but she's got her own thing going on. We have a fun fake out we see Jason's kind of doing the rounds, seeing everybody who's come to camp, all the new counters greeting all of them. And he walks up to the theater and we see somebody lying face up on the ground, still as stone. We're like, oh no, we know this is a horror movie, what's going on?

Fake out, he's the theater director, and he was just being theatrical, I don't know. But he, you know, was making fun of Jason as well. He's like, you should play Geppetto in this year's production of Pinocchio because you're so old. He was practicing a gritty re-imagining of Pinocchio. That's this year's gritty re-imagining.

He says, it's gonna be very political. And I love that idea. Yeah, it's really fun. We're getting like, like how you have in Slasher is a lot of archetypes. And Summer Camp is also very well suited for this, especially accounts. We've got like, yeah, the theater guy, the hot girl. The guys that want to get laid. The guys that want to get laid. The guy that takes it very seriously and is there to like make sure everybody is following the rules.

So we've got everybody's little, everybody's little vibes. The guy that takes it very seriously and is there to like make sure everybody is following the rules. So we've got everybody's little, everybody's little vibes. Chris says hi to this hot girl named Shannon. It's clear that they're like into each other and he's like, okay, maybe this is a girl that I'm going to hook up with this summer. So things are, things are seeming good for Chris. Jason finds a counselor named Claire and she's the only person who's like friendly with him. They clearly have had a friendship. She is a bit like why I thought you weren't coming back. Why are you still here and

He said well, you know John and Kathy like really they really needed my help and you know Happy to be back and she's nice to him and is like glad that he's there Even though she does also think it's a little weird because he is 24. Jason decides he should go looking for John and Kathy because it's weird that they're not there yet. We know that it's because they're dead, but he doesn't know this yet. And so he's wandering around trying to find him.

He goes into their office, he opens the door and says like, here's Jason, which is a funny, like shining reference. And he finds a note in their office that just says, minor emergency, everything's fine. Be back tomorrow morning, be responsible, John and Cathy. So he's like, okay, that makes sense. I'm in charge.

He gathers all the counselors. They're all hanging out in like the mess hall area. They're having a great time, telling stories with each other, being friends. He's fully the odd man out, but he's like, okay guys, John and Kathy aren't gonna be here until tomorrow, so I'm in charge.

He tries to start off doing like a magic trick, and they're like, nope, no, we're not interested. Like, don't do that. They like are not into his shtick. He's just letting it all roll off him. Ha ha ha, okay, we're still the best of friends. Everybody, you know, the rule is you gotta put your phones in this basket. They all roll their eyes. They don't want to do it He's like gonna be great. We're all here together like Pine way is the best place to be

He does at one point talk to I don't know exactly in the where in the sequence of events this is he talks to Bobby at one point who's already kind of like summer's not starting off the way he wants it to and Jason's being sweet to him and says, you know what they say, a bad day at Pine Way is better than a great day anywhere else. So they all, he's just the Pine Way freaking mascot. But so they all put their phones in the basket.

And I guess I don't really have to start work yet because their bosses aren't there. And so they're like, let's go get fucked up. Jason is of course like, yeah, of course, but you know, no drinking, no drugs, no partying, smash cut, of course they're smoking and drinking. They're swimming in the lake, classic team, out on their own little party montage.

And we do kind of keep getting, there's like swimming in the lake, we're getting shots of their legs under the water, you know, that's spooky, that's scary. Jason sees a goth girl hanging out, reading her book by the tree, goth girl archetype. And she asks him if he, what does she ask him? I think he says something like, that's a good book.

And she's like, oh, have you read it? And he's like, no. Yeah, but she asks him something about like, if he also is like, that's a good book. And she's like, oh, have you read it? And he's like, no. Yeah, but she has something about like, if he also is like in touch with the other side or something. Yeah, so it's like a psychic medium book maybe that she's reading. Oh yeah, he says something about like spirits

and she says, yeah, there are like spirits here right now. Yeah, like she indicates that she like can sense that there are spirits at the camp and that's very much not the impression that he was getting or trying to communicate with her. But we already, she seems to like know, she's in touch with more than the rest of us. It seems like they're being watched again.

We get that like sinister presence feeling, something is there. And we get another really fun fake out of a bow and arrow being pulled back. And it's because they're over in the archery zone. Everybody's hanging out practicing their archery. Jason we learn is incredibly good at archery. He hits like a bunch of bullseyes.

We see Demi who's the hot girl is trying to do archery with Mike and he's doing the classic like coming up behind her like hand on her hips showing her how to do archery, but it's really just to flirt. And we see Claire kind of wanting that with Jason. She's like, Hey, Jason, can you like show me how to do archery? And he like takes it very seriously and instead like gives her like a full lesson in archery and like steps back, like steps back. Watch her sight line and like tell her how to do it. But it works. She hits a good shot. So, you know, it's not exactly what she wanted out of it,

but it was an effective method of teaching. This is where the conversation happens at that. Everyone's sort of coupling up. You know, we've got Mike and Demi, Shannon and Chris are like really into each other. And yeah, Bobby is this is not what he wanted. He wanted to hook up with girls and have an awesome summer. So far that's not happening. So Jason talks to him and is very nice to him.

And Bobby is like really appreciative. And he's like, thanks, man, that's like really nice of you. And then like, I think introduces himself. Jason's like, we've known each other for eight years. Like we've gotten to somebody over eight years. He's like, no, I don't, sorry, man. I just don't, I don't know who you are. Which is absolutely soul crushing.

It's crazy. They're so mean to him. They're so mean to him. Then it's time for lunch. Jason is grilling up burgers for everybody. We do have one vegan girl. Her archetype is like very like earthy, vegan spiritual girl.

And she had mentioned earlier, like I hope we have tofu burgers available for lunch. And so she gets a tofu burger and Bobby decides he's gonna try his luck with her. He really just needs a girl that he can hook up with. And so he sits down next to her and is like, oh yeah, I'm vegan too actually. And so they're bonding over that, it's working.

He's like making a connection with her. Then he tells her that he's a Scorpio and he keeps saying I'm a Scorpio like Gosling. And she is disgusted by this and she hates Scorpios. So failed again, but everyone's just kind of hanging out, getting into the summer spirit. You got to talk about the nut allergy guy, because the nut allergy guy is like,

he says some things that are deeply indefensible. I mean, he was. We do have, yes, we're getting, while Bobby is trying his luck with Miley the vegan, the other counselors we see have like gotten into a bit of a fight. Ari, who is the like, he's a screenwriter and he was talking to Shannon earlier about his screenplay

and about how, which this is funny for them to put in given that Billy Brick and Finn wrote the script. But he's talking about how it's a script about a- A war, like a schizophrenic war photographer. And he's like, and I have a nut allergy. So I actually like really understand, you know, the trials and tribulations. It's like, it's really drawn from my own trauma

and my own experience. So he's like that vibe of guy. And he is screaming at Claire because she's eating a granola bar in his presence. And she's saying there aren't even nuts in this granola bar. And he's like, I just can't fucking believe, like he's so insensitive that you'd be doing that.

It's just like basically like holding a gun up to my head and being like, there's no bullets in it. And she's like, it's not like that at all because this is a granola bar. And he says, 26%. And he's like, I'll say what? And he goes, 26%. And he'll say, what? And he goes, 26%. Kids with net allergies are 26% more likely

to develop an anxiety disorder. So sit with your privilege. Oh, it's horrible. It's atrocious. He's gonna die. Don't worry. He dies. Don't worry.

I feel like, yeah, it's all like, a good slasher makes you dislike everybody. Exactly. Before their time comes. Yep. But night has started to fall. We're gonna have a bonfire, classic summer camp activity. And Demi, we see Demi in her cabin

and she is getting ready to go join the bonfire. And we see, again, like sinister presence POV shot. She says, Mike, is that you? It's your boyfriend. No response. Cut to Jason chopping wood for the bonfire. And it's a really fun intercut where he chops a piece of wood and we see blood splatter in Demi's cabin.

Chop wood, blood splatter, chop wood, blood splatter. So we don't see Demi die, but it's a very violent scene nonetheless. A lot of blood. Lot of blood. But we also know that Jason's not the killer then because he was chopping wood. He was not actually chopping her head apart.

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nostalgic about- This part made me like sad because the pictures of of him as a little boy at the camp looking so happy and he's looking at them with a huge smile on his face just being like, ugh, I'm so happy. And I was like, oh my god, this character is breaking my fucking heart over here. Trying to recapture summer's past with these kids that are all really mean to him. We see Chris and Shannon have snuck off in the woods and they have a little smooch. Smoochy smooch.

And Shannon kind of pulls back, like maybe it was a bad kiss. Seems like, you know, this is early days in the relationship. They're figuring out it's a little awkward still. We'll come back to that in a moment. But we first go back to the campfire. Bobby has a dirt bike and a little ramp set up to evil-knevel style jump over the campfire. At first, everyone's kind of like unimpressed,

like, okay, Bobby, he's just trying, he's trying everything to get some, get some of the attention. And you can feel it, you can feel the desperation. You can feel it. At one point, somebody out of pity starts chanting, Bobby, Bobby, and then, starts chanting, Bobby, Bobby. And then everyone starts chanting

and you see the light come into Bobby's eyes. He's like, all eyes are on me. So excited to just pull off this stunt. And then Ari, the guy with the nut allergy, calls him a pussy, ruins the moment. He throws his bike down, says like, why would you say that? I was about to do something so fucking cool.

But he loses his nerve, stunt is off. Literally nobody cares about this. They're all like, okay. No one needed you to do that anyway. We see vegan girl. We did see her earlier eyeing the meat patties on the grill. Yeah. And she is now snuck off to her cabin with a burger

with real meat. Oh, a liar. And she hasn't taken a bite yet, but you can tell she wants to so bad. And she's like, Oh, I hate you. I hate you, but I want you. I want you. And just at that moment, someone comes into her cabin.

We hear the clomp, clomp of big killer shoes and turn and see someone in a devil mask, a kind of cartoon looking devil mask. And she- Hard plastic mask. Hard plastic, you better believe. And she turns and looks, instead of afraid of being confronted by a stranger in a mask, afraid of being caught eating the real meat.

And so she says, it's beyond meat. And then weapon comes down. I don't remember what it is. It's a big knife, big knife, vegan girl gone. Now we see intercut Chris and Bobby in their cabin, catching up gossiping about what just happened with his kiss with Shannon, cutting back and forth between Shannon talking to Claire and they're both dishing the goss over... Very Greece. Yes.

Tell me more, tell me more. The two different sides. Yes. They're both telling their friend and Chris says, does the word head mean anything to you? Bobby jaw drops. She gave you head. He's like, what?

No, I gave her head. Love that. And we cut back to Shannon saying for like two hours because it was while they were watching Spider-Man 2 and he basically went down on her the whole time. Bobby is like horrified by this. Like what, how is that fair? And Chris says, I've seen Spider-Man 2 so many times. It's really funny.

And we find out that Chris is majoring in gender studies and Claire and Shannon are both just like, can you believe it? What a guy. He does say in nine out of 10 heterosexual relationships, the woman performs a sex act on the man first. Yep. And I bet that's a real statistic.

I won't fact check it, but. Yeah, no, I think that feels first. Yep. And I bet that's a real statistic. I won't fact check it. But yeah, no, I think that feels right. Probably. Probably true. I mean, there's a orgasm gap between genders and I think we need to fix that. We right here right now. We need to fix it. We need to fix it.

Finn and Billy doing the Lord's work. Yeah, fixing the orgasm gap. We see Jason comes in to check on Chris and Bobby. He's been planning activities for this whole week for all of the counselors. He's very excited about his itinerary. And he says, you know, we've got a lot of things to do early in the morning,

a lot of, you know of bonding activities or whatever. So we'll see you bright and early. They very dismissive say, no, no, we're gonna go to the rec room now and we're probably gonna be up pretty late. So you can just count us out for all that. Like, no thanks, push by him, head to the rec room. Jason then goes to Demi's room.

We had seen Mike go check on Demi a little bit earlier too, because she didn't come to the bonfire. And so he goes into her cabin to check on her. And we saw that masked figure walk up behind him. Ooh. So. Ooh. Ooh.

So now Jason is going to that room. The lights are out. We know he's not gonna find anything good, but he's calling out Demi. So I'll let you know about the activities tomorrow. Are you okay in there? She's obviously not responding. He looks like he's he's getting a little maybe worried. He's like, Can I come in? Can I come in? Like I got my eyes covered. Are you decent? The door is unlocked. So he comes to check on her. He's covering his eyes, he's calling out,

are you there, are you there? Eventually uncovers his eyes, and we see Demi in the bed, covered in blood, a very violent crime scene, and Jason runs out of the cabin screaming, runs straight into the rec room, where all the other counselors are just keeping the party going. Nobody reacts to Jason screaming. He says, she's dead, she's dead. Oh my God, we're in danger. We need to call the police. Nobody's taking him seriously.

Theater director kid says, you stole my murder mystery. Ezra. He says, you stole my murder mystery game. Because we've seen him before do this kind of bit. It's never been this extreme, but he has like, he's he has set himself up to not be believed that they are like, oh, he's trying to get us all like excited about doing something together kind of vibe. Yeah. And he's realizing that, you know, they've all given their phones to him. I think they go to try to find the,

to grab the phone basket. It's gone. Of course, someone has taken all of their cell phones and he is able to eventually convince them, you guys just come with me, Demi is dead. It's like come to her cabin and none of them believe that Demi is dead, but I think maybe just are a little interested. Like, okay, maybe it is a little game. We're playing, we'll like humor him. So they go to Demi's cabin, open the door, Demi's body is gone, but the bed is still drenched in blood. Goth girl goes up, sticks her hand right in the blood to see if it's like fake blood.

And she says, that's Demi. She smells it, like as if she can smell that it's Demi's blood. Everybody runs out screaming. It's so funny that this is the moment that makes them believe this freaky goth girl. They're like, it must be true. It's absolute chaos. They all again run straight to their cars.

Love to see it. Love to see it. I was thrilled. They like call out like who's going in what cars as they run, they're like, I've got room like get in my car. Yeah, yeah, this is good. Love this. Good planning. But of course, these tires have been slashed and the batteries are dead. So someone has fucked with their cars to prevent them from leaving. They decide to all get in the same bunk to get their wits about them.

I think it's Jason who says, nobody leaves this bunk. We got to figure out a plan. Miley, which one's Miley? I have in my notes Miley. Is she vegan? Miley is the vegan, so it's not Miley. No, yeah, it is. Because they're like, Miley's not here.

Miley's not here and Mike is not here. So they're missing, but they're trying to come up with a plan. They're like, okay, what the fuck do we do? Jason says there is a landline that we can go check. It's probably going to be cut if they stole our phones and slashed our tires. Chances are they cut that phone line too, but it seems like we have to check regardless, just in case. And Claire runs up and says, like, you can't go alone. It's dangerous. There's obviously a murderer out there, but nobody's really volunteering

to join him. They all kind of do, do, do, look away. And so they decide they're going to pull cards to choose who is going to accompany Jason to the landline. And it ends up that Jason, Ari, and Ezra, nut allergy and theater director guy, all three go. Because they get like, do they tie? Do they both pull low cars? I think they pull like a two and a three. Yeah, they both. And they have, yeah. Are aces high or low?

I like that. That's a realistic question. I spend a long time on that. Yes, there is a lot of frantic energy, obviously, as there would be and like a little too much focusing on details that don't matter if you're like, say, this is a high or low, high or low, like some, well, they're low in this and they're high in that. It's like, this doesn't fucking matter. There's like a murder out here. So Ari and Ezra end up going with Jason. They head out to the mess hall and back in the bunk where everybody else is staying, we see that Bobby

whips out some bear spray. He says, you know, thank God I have my bear spray. And they say a bear didn't do that as Demi. It's like, you never, you never know. He's remembering the time that he threw his tofu sandwich into the woods. Maybe it attracted a bear and the bear came, got a hunger for, he was so mad about the tofu that he had to go get real flesh and he killed Demi. It's possible. It's possible. So thank God he's got the bear spray. Jason, Ari and Ezra make it to the mess hall and pick up the landline. Ezra picks it up and listens for dial tone. Wow, it took me a moment to think of the word dial tone because I have not used a landline. Needed to hear a dial tone, yeah.

In quite some time. And he says, the line's been cut. And he gets excited at the drama of it all and says, I've always wanted to say that. They are looking around the mess hall, maybe checking for phones or any clues of anything and eventually go to the refrigerator. Maybe they're thinking they need some snacks.

It's gonna be a long night. No, they see blood pooling. It's like pouring out of the fridge. That would be a reason to check. Yeah, there's blood dripping out of the fridge. So they gotta check that fridge. I mean, they ain't gonna find nothing good in there, but maybe we just don't look. Yeah, I mean, I guess you would look like you'd have to.

You'd have to look and it would be a real bummer because in this case, you would find vegan girl Miley's decapitated head in the fridge again, running, screaming, chaos. They get separated in the, it's, you know, it's really dark outside. So you can't, it's hard to follow where someone else is going. Jason runs straight back to the bunk

that everybody else is holed up in, but Ari and Ezra don't run in behind them. He's like expecting them to be right behind him. They're not. Jason is trying to calm everybody down. He's like, John and Kathy should be back soon. John and Kathy, once John and Kathy get here, everything's going to be fine. They'll save us. Don't know what we're going to do about Ari and Ezra. Goth girl Noelle says, I have an idea about figuring out where Ari and Ezra are. Whips out a Ouija board. Love to see it. Makes them all gather around. Bobby is seemingly like Emily, not consenting. Just like, I don't want to be doing this.

He said, I don't fuck with ghosts. I don't fuck with ghosts is fair But she says in order for it to work everybody has to participate So they all get in a circle around Luigi board put their hands on the little heart-shaped triangle guy with the little clear plastic middle circle we little guy with the little clear plastic middle circle. We honestly don't know such a good description of it. Like the eye, what is that called? I would make sense.

We all know it. We know it. And Noelle calls out to the spirit world. We know that she has connection with the other side. And she says, calls out to Ezra, says, Ezra, are you dead? And the I moves around to the Y, to the E, and to the S. Yes, Ezra's dead. Oh my God, fuck, fuck, fuck, Ezra's dead. She says, Ezra, who did this to you? And it spells out I-D-K, right? I-D-K, I-D-K, my BFF Jill.

That's another one for some of you. Just a few people. Again, now we're calling out, like, oh my God, it must've been so quick and violent that he doesn't even know who did it. So let's ask Demi next. We're reaching out to Demi, who killed you? And the eye is moving again.

What's it going to say when at that moment Ezra bursts through the door, scares them so bad, Bobby whips around with the bear spray, sprays it right in his face real good, absolutely douses him. He's very much alive. This Ouija board is lying. So weird, cause Noel has a connection. I know.

I know. What the hell, Noel? It's really strange. And then we cut to black and come back up in a dark, spooky room. We see Ari tied to a chair with a guy in a hard plastic devil mask taunting him with a knife. I think he holds the knife to his throat. Is he going to slit his throat? Oh, my God, please, no.

What are you doing? He takes the knife away. Slowly walks to the other side of the room and grabs a jar of peanut butter. Brutal. Ari sees this and is screaming, Oh, no, please, no. Oh, my God. It is his worst fear.

It's pretty mean. It's pretty mean stuff. It's really mean. And he dips that knife into the peanut butter. You see him slowly walking back over to Ari. Ari's yelling 26%, 26%. And we don't see what happens, but we know. We know that Ari has met his nutty little end.

That's good. Back in the cabin, Ezra is telling everybody what happened. He's like, oh my God, Miley's head was in the fridge and I was running. I was so scared. We all got separated. And then I realized something. It's that, or I ran to the theater and I realized something. And that is that the killer is somebody that we all know. Somebody that's in this room, it's Jason. And they all turn and look at Jason. Oh, what?

Jason looks so shocked. What the fuck, what are you talking about? And they say he was the one that found Demi's body. He- He took all our phones. He took all our phones. Which he's like 45 years old. He took all our phones. He's all our phones. He's like 45 years old. Yeah.

He took all our phones. He's in charge. It's got to be Jason. Why else would he come back to summer camp? It's so weird that he's here. He's so old. And then they say because he has killed Demi and Miley, that it's obvious that he's killing the hottest counselors first. And Bobby is really upset to hear this

theory. It's not necessarily. It could be totally random or it's random, right? It seems like it could be really random. And they're all like, no, he's definitely killing the hottest people first. And he's definitely killing the hottest people first. And it's, yeah, so and he's in here with us, so we have to tie him up. Oh my God, he's a killer. They tie Jason up and they say, and if he doesn't confess to what he did, we'll have to torture him until he does. And so they tie him up. And some of them run in, I think back to the mess hall to go get some torture tools. They need some weapons to be able to get Jason's evil plan out of him. And just Bobby stays back with Jason and he, you know, kind of little sad and embarrassed is just like, so if you're killing the hot kids, I'm just a little confused.

Like, why didn't you kill me? Jason's maintaining innocence, obviously. He's like, I didn't kill anybody. We see while everybody else is out of the room and it's just Bobby and Jason in there, Claire grabs a fire extinguisher and sneaks into the room, knocks Bobby over the head, knocks him out, unties Jason and is like, come on, we got to get out of here. Like this is crazy. They've

all gone mad and they're going to torture you. So we got to get out of here. As they're running away into the woods, the rest of the counselors see them. I kind of try to chase them, but they're not super close. And so Claire and Jason are able to get away. And the rest of the counselors are like, well, let's, let's try to find the cell phones. And that is our plan of action. So they decide to split up, it seems, to find these cell phones. While Claire and Jason are running through the woods, they make it to make out point. And Claire is like, oh, make out point. Obviously I recognize this looks a little different in this lighting.

But you know, we've all been here. Jason's like, Yeah, yeah. All of us. Oh, oh, is that what this is? I didn't recognize it at first. But now I definitely do. Claire, obviously realizes that Jason has never been to make out point before. I have a little moment, a little romantic moment between them. They're getting close. Then they hear a little rustle or something that turns their heads. They notice something nearby. Cut to Noelle, goth girl in like an arts and crafts room looking for the cell phones. And she is looking down at either out the window or something. She's like looking somewhere when we just hear or see the guy, devil mask guy coming up behind her

with the knife, stabs her in the back. And she just says, finally. Cause she wants to also be hot. Oh, but any time... I mean, I think this probably happened twice, but any time someone is killed and they say, "'Finally,' I'm gonna be thinking of "'Twilight Breaking Dawn' part two.'"

-"Finally." -"Finally." And then as she's dying and being like lowered onto the ground, the killer is pulling the knife out of her back. We hear some more heavy boots walking into the room. The killer turns to see who is walking in on this scene. Has the killer been caught? No, it is a second cloaked figure. Two killers. There's always two.

Two killers. In a hard plastic devil mask, there are two killers. Good twist, I really didn't see it coming. It gets on, and yeah, every time it happens, I'm like, right. But it is, yeah, it's like such a fun trope because it does, it always works. Yeah, opens up a lot of possibilities

because now everything you've thought, all the little theories you were spinning up in your head. Throw those out the window. Throw those out the freaking window. So then we are back with Jason and Claire back at Makeout Point. They'd been about to kiss when all of a sudden, you know, Claire spies something in the distance and she's like, what's that?

And so kills the moment kills the mood. It especially kills the moment and kills the mood because what she has discovered are John and Cathy's bodies. They have been dumped at Makeout Point. There's like, are they next to a bicycle? I don't know if that matters, but that kind of felt distracting to me. I kept thinking like, where was the bicycle?

But, and- There's been a horrible accident. Another accident, it's a bike accident. And then there was a bike accident? Like what's going on? I'm just trying to get my head wrapped around all of these freak accidents. Did every single person get in a bike accident actually?

With a knife? A bike accident with a knife? Anyway, this is horrible for Jason. I mean, these are his mentors. These are the people, these are his lifelines. This is like the buck stops with John and Cathy. I mean, they're supposed to be in charge. And so he's kind of immediately in shock and, you know, just in his head, like, what's going on? And Claire is like,

come on, we have to go, we have to run away. We have to go get help. And he's like, I think we got to go back. And Claire is like, what are you talking about? Like, be serious right now. We can't go back there. We'll be killed. And he's like, but also it's 30 miles of forest. It's going to take a long time to find help. And also, I think I just got to go back. I mean, I owe it to them. I have to go help them. And Claire is like, if you go back there, you will die. And he says, yeah, but I'm supposed to be the camp leader. She's like, you made that up. And because that doesn't mean it isn't true.

And then she gets emotional. She's like, stay with me, please just stay with me. He wants to he cares for this person. And he gives her friendship bracelet that I think maybe she made for him two years ago that he's kept on. And he's like, I'm sorry, but I have to go back and save them.

Which would be nasty. That's a really nasty friendship bracelet, but also that's how much he cares about her. And he's like, I can't leave these people behind. Like they're my family, which makes me worried about what his real family is like, but we'll get into that. What we saw is bitch mom.

His mom didn't seem that mean. Like it's like this guy is what is up with him. Feels as a strong sense of responsibility. He really does. To protect this place, the sacred place. It's a sacred place. So Claire runs off to go find help. He goes the opposite direction,

back to the camp, back to the sacred place. And so then I feel like we cut to our big reveal, which is that a few of the counselors walk into a cabin and they find Demi and Mike very much alive making out. It's just Chris. Oh, it's just Chris. He's like, is check, I think still searching for phones and like walks in on them making out. Yeah. And he got excited and he's like, wait, you guys are alive, but Jason killed you. Yeah, he's just like so excited. He's like, oh, my God, you're alive.

This is so awesome. So cool. Like as Mike is like slowly reaching for a knife, like clearly they have been up to no good. It seems like they're caught by Chris and then Chris is just like, Oh my God, hell yeah, you guys are alive. Not getting it at all. Chris is completely, all of it is going right over his head. And then Chris leaves and then Demi and Mike have a conversation where Demi's like, what the fuck?

Like they think it's Jason? They think, why is he saying Jason killed them? Like, are you kidding me? And Mike is like, wait a minute, hold on. Like, wait, wait, this could be good. And she's like, no, how can it be good? Our plan is that we kill everyone and we get famous. I don't want to die a nobody, Mike.

I want everyone to know it was me. I don't want Jason to get the credit. So this is the big plan. This is the big plan. Demi and Mike, Demi especially just wants to be as famous as a serial killer would be famous, which is again, what's wrong with our culture? What is wrong with our culture?

We talked about this in Henry portrait of a serial killer. They didn't say a serial killer shouldn't be famous.. They didn't say a killer shouldn't be famous. They shouldn't be famous. They shouldn't be famous. Why do we keep doing that? But she's not wrong. They are famous. They are famous.

I don't like it. And so Mike is like, okay, hold on. But let's think about this. If we let Jason take the fall, but then we survive the killings. I mean, I think we'll still be pretty famous. And she's like, okay, like, fuck it. Like, fine, we'll let Jason take the fall.

But we have to kill them all because I mean, I don't want anyone else taking up screen time. We'll figure something out. So their plan is now to kill everyone else, let Jason take the fall. So then Mike and Demi kind of like take over the rest of the counselors. They get everyone into a room and they're like, okay, here's the plan. You guys just sit tight.

No questions about why she was covered in blood before. Oh no, no, no. Everyone's just like, yay, like you're back. Oh, thank God she's back. Cool. We're just gonna sit here. We're gonna wait for help to arrive in the morning. We'll be up all night. We'll take turns taking watch.

And we are gonna make a video basically explaining what's happened tonight. In case things goes out. In case we don't. Yeah, in case we don't make it. We need to leave something behind. Yeah. So they start, they make this video where it's, imagine how you would feel.

I'm sure if you're being, people are being slaughtered one by one. This is the type of video you would make too, where you just stand up and you're like, Hey guys, it's Demi. Something really bad happened here tonight. Like it's really crazy. Jason started killing a bunch of people, and then everyone comes in with their own take about how Jason is a murderer.

It's been really weird. I've always gotten bad vibes from him. He's like 45 and still going to camp. Like, it's fucking weird. Meanwhile, Jason is running back to camp to save all these people who are happily, you know, accusing him of murder. He's collecting weapons, he gets an axe, you know, he's gathering supplies. Yet while he's doing so, Mike knocks him out cold. And then cut back to Ezra, who's in theater. And then Ezra is in the theater in his safe place

and his happy place. You know, he still has quite terrible eye situation going on. So he has his sunglasses on and he's doing a monologue. Do you guys know what this monologue is from? I'm sure it's funny that he's doing whatever this monologue is because it's... It's funny to be running any sort of lines at this... Yeah. Strange instinct. At this moment. He's being a little self-reflective. He's like, am I doing a good job of this? Is this sounding right? He's in the middle of this theatrical production when

whomp, out of the blue, an axe falls through the air. And this is a pretty nasty murder. We got a full axe. That's pretty brutal. We get like a good look at the axe in that head. Really goes into his head. We're not cutting away from that. No, we really see it.

We got the blood dripping down his face and yep, he is Denzel Bunzo. Then Jason, he is Denzel Bunzo. Then Jason, he is tied up to a chair. He's still passed out. Demi is there. She is trying to wake him up. She is back in her murdering outfit. They've put his fingerprints on all the murder.

They're like laying out all the guns and axes that have been used so far, rubbing Jason's fingerprints. Yes, and she's putting eyeshadow on him. Oh, yeah. Just for fun, I guess. I don't know. Like, I thought that they were going to make a make a comment about how yeah, either makeup tutorial, but they're just like a lot of there's also a long history of serial killers being queer coded and like villainized in that way. I was wondering if it was a reference to that,

but hard to say. Or just her makeup tutorials that she loves to do. Maybe she's like, this will be a new spin on a makeup tutorial with this like, I caught a killer. Let's do a makeup tutorial on him. And so she slaps him awake and... She tells him, I need you to tell me where Claire is. Oh, right. Okay.

Because Claire is the only one not accounted for. And he's not going to do that. He's not going to tell her where Claire is. And he also doesn't know exactly where she is anyway. And then we go to Chris. Yeah. Chris is hiding backstage where Ezra was murdered. He's hiding in the little fake castle

and Shannon and Bobby are going to look for him. And they go to the theater, what we saw in the trailer, they poke their heads through and Bobby is like, horrified. That's a lot of blood. That is quite a lot. They see Ezra's body. Yeah, they see what's happened to Ezra. It's not pretty. Very, very scary. He says, Oh my God, so much worse than I thought. Chris will be fine. Chris will be fine.

It's like, it's fine. But Shannon is like, no, we got to save him. We got to do something. He's in there. We got to help him. And so then Bobby starts to remember everyone earlier when he was about to do his bike over the fire and everyone was going, Bobby, Bobby, Bobby. So he's remembering this and he's kind of like, je neing himself up to go in and save him. He's like, okay, I'm going to go in, I'm going to go in.

And then Shannon says, uh, it's suicide. Oh, right. It's suicide. Once again, takes the wind right out of his sails and he's like, why would you say that? Like, think before you speak. I was about to go in there.

But he still goes in. Yeah. And him and Shannon successfully save Chris. He is so genuinely pleased and excited and grateful that they have found him. And he says to Shannon, I love you. And she's like, and he's like, what? What? I don't know.

Nothing, what? Nothing, what? Okay. He's like, uh, and he's like, what? I don't know. Nothing. What? Nothing. What? Okay. So Bobby runs into the rec room and there's Mike and Mike is in his murder outfit. Then Claire comes in too. Claire has returned. She decided not to go get help.

We saw a little shot of her looking at the friendship bracelet and having a second thoughts of like, I can't leave Jason behind. Yeah. So then Mike and Bobby start fighting. Now they know the truth. Yeah. They know who the killer is. Well, at least, yeah, yes, they do.

One of them. Yes. And meanwhile, Jason is trying to talk to Demi and he's like, Demi, this isn't you. What are you doing? Like, this isn't you. What are you doing? Like, this isn't you. And then Demi does this whole performance where she starts fake crying.

She's like, you're right. Mike forced me to do all of this. Mike's fault. Like, la la la la la. And then she stops and she's like right up close to his face and she's like, you think that Mike made me kill people? No one can make me do anything, bitch.

And Jason is like, oh shit. Okay, nevermind. Maybe this is Demi. And then Demi's like, I'm jealous of you. You're going to be even more famous than me. Because you know, Jason's going to get all the credit for killing everyone. Then we see Claire running and getting bow and arrow. And she's had the best teacher in the world at the camp.

And so then she runs and finds Demi and Jason. And as soon as she runs in, Demi puts a knife on Jason's throat. And Jason does this whole thing where he's like, let her kill me, just like, let her kill me. And this is intercut with scenes of Mike and Bobby fighting, doing some serious hand to hand combat. They're really going after each other in a way that,

oh, I don't like seeing it. I don't like seeing anyone punch anyone. I don't like seeing anyone punch anyone. I don't like seeing anyone throw anyone on the ground. I don't want that. And there's a lot of that happening here. Bobby does grab the one point only weapon he can get access to is he grabs a log out of the fireplace that is burning and is immediately like, ah, fuck. Flings it, does not hit Mike, but does start lighting that cabin on fire. So the stakes are even higher.

Very, very high. And this is intercut then with Debbie with the knife on Jason's throat and Jason saying, just it's okay, Claire, let her kill me. Just let her push, just let go, Claire. Just let go, just let go. But I think that he's trying to say, let go of the arrow. Let go of the arrow. Let go of the arrow.

And so she releases it. It's a real fucking bullseye right in Demi's eye. It's a real Demi's eye. It's a real Demi's eye. Real Demi's eye. Then it cuts back to Mike and Bobby who are... So you think that Mike is gonna kill Bobby because he's on top of them.

He's like strangling him. Strangling him. But then they have one of the weapons that they've been using is like the switch blade. That's the prize you get for winning the archery contest. Yeah, earlier Jason had mentioned he's been runner up at the archery contest like five years in a row. He's so good archer, but he can never quite win.

And yeah, we had seen that this is like, it was like on the wall earlier as a little trophy, but they took it down as a weapon, which it is. It certainly is. And right when you think that Mike has got the upper hand on Bobby, Bobby grabs that switch blade. Is that what you call it? What would you call it?

You call it a? Pocket knife? Pocket knife. Yes. Grabs the pocket knife, kills, kills Mike. Stabs him in the throat. Stabs him right in the throat and the whole fucking cabin is going up in flames.

A rec room is going up in flames around them. I do think as Mike dies, he pulls the knife out and he stabs it into Bobby. Oh, that's true. Then he stabs it into Bobby. He does then get the, yeah, Bobby gets stabbed like in the side. In the side.

And so he's incapacitated inside this burning building with a knife stuck into him. Also, he's just had the shit beat out of him. Like they had a long fight. That was not fun. So Demi has a moment where you think she's gonna come back to life, but then Claire immediately like pushes the arrow

way harder into her head. I think she's like stomps on her head. She stomps on her head. Yeah. Yep, yep, yep. And then Jason and Claire run out of that building and then everything kind of gets very cinematic at the end. The end, like the tone shifts to kind of these like beautiful wide shots and they run and they see the camp kind of starting to light on fire in the distance. And then it starts to go slow-mo on Bobby,

who like turns and sees the runner-up plaque. Everything's slow motion. And then he like looks up at the flames. And then Jason in slow motion runs into the burning building. True hero moment picks up Bobby, runs him out of the burning building, comes back down to the lake, like sets him down. And Bobby's like, Hey man, I'm sorry, I forgot who you were earlier. I'm really sorry. I thought you were the killer. But also, it didn't seem like reasonable that you could be the killer. So I'm not that sorry,

because I really didn't think it. But anyway, and then he takes the knife out of his body, and is like, here, I want you to have this. And he's like, tell everyone I died a hero's death. Tell everyone that they killed me first because I was hot. And Jason is like, you're not gonna die, dude. Like you're fine, you're not dying. He's also like, you should not have taken, like that's a really nice gesture, but you should not have taken the knife out.

He's, you need to put pressure on that wound immediately. What do you, what, okay. So he's like taking his shirt off and wrapping it around him. And then, meanwhile, Chris and Shannon are walking back as the sun is coming up and he's explaining like, I don't love you. Shannon's like, okay, thanks.

And he's like, but I like you and you like me, right? And Shannon kisses him and says, yeah, I like you too. And then Claire is out there by herself, sitting by the lake, watching the sun come up. Really pretty, really pretty shot. Everything just becomes so beautiful. I mean, it's dawn at Camp Pine Way. What more of a beautiful place to be.

Worst day at Camp Pine Way. And better than a day off. Exactly. Even as it burns to the ground. Jason goes and he goes out to thank her, to be. Worst day of campfire. Yeah. Better than a day off. Exactly. Even as it burns to the ground. Jason goes and he goes out to thank her, thanks her for coming back. And she's like, is Bobby going to be okay? And they pan back and Bobby's talking to Chris and Shannon.

He's like, this isn't my blood. It's actually Mike's blood. Well, a good amount of it is my blood. So it's clear that Bobby's going to be just fine. And then Jason is saying to Claire, he says, you know, I'm going to have to take on more responsibility and it's certainly going to be a publicity nightmare. But if we spin it the right way, I really think we can make this work. And Claire is looking at him like horrified. And he says, I'm kidding. Of course I know that Camp Pine Way is not happening.

And she says, so what are you gonna do now? And then they look at each other and they kiss and the sun's coming up and the lake is there and it's beautiful, the sky's beautiful. And they just make out and we all cheer. Yeah, best movie ever. We did it. Best movie ever, fuck yeah.

And that's the end of the movie. Wow. Roll credits. Wow. What a fun time. It really was. It was truly a fun time. It was fun.

At the peak of summer. In the absolute depths of summer. The absolute dead of summer, what great timing. But you guys, the fun doesn't have to stop right now because guess what? We still have an interview to get into. So here we go. Here is our interview with the writers, directors

and stars of Hell of a Summer, Finn Wolfhard and Billy Brick. Well, first of all, thank you guys for joining us. Of course. And our first question we always ask is just, can you guys tell us your relationship to horror movies, like growing up and if you've always liked them or if there was a movie that turned you into a fan? Yeah, I was completely avoidant when I came to horror movies, most of my childhood,

although, and for whatever reason. You say that, but then you're like, and then when I was like eight, I watched it. Everybody has that. I don't know, if you were a little kid. Yes, when I was a little kid, I was terrified of watching anything that had I don't know. That's not what's for sure. We were little kids. Yes. When I was a little kid, I was terrified of watching anything that had to do with horror. Thank you for calling me up.

You were like a horror kid. That's what I'm saying. I was a horror kid, but really what got me into it was I think I was really scared about the idea of horror movies, and then I watched a lot of like behind the scenes about how horror movies were made. And so I saw, you know, all these guys like making puppets and the effects and like all the fake blood. And like that just made it so much more fun for me because I was like, oh, it's not like really put something in my brain. I'm being like, oh, it's not real. And so like super very evolved for eight. Yeah, that's a young... Yeah.

Oh yeah, that's just a smart eight year old. Oh, it's all a fabrication, obviously. Oh, what was your news on Sin? No, I literally was like, I think my relationship with horror was that I didn't watch it as a young kid, obviously, because it was horror and I was always scared and then watching behind the scenes made it less scary for me. And then there were just specific stories that I really like. To me, my favorite horror

movies are the ones that aren't the scariest, but the ones that have the best stories and the ones that I related to the most as a kid. So I loved, like Shaun of the Dead was the first one to bring me into horror because not only is it so funny, but it's like, I don't know, I think it just does everything perfectly. Like every genre. I think like the movie is just like a perfect movie. So that was the first one. And then, and then I also loved Let the Right One In. Because I, I felt kind of like that the kid in the movie like at that point in my life I was like like a weird kid who was like like a vampire yeah and then I met

a vampire and fell in love and it was cool. Which let what are you talking about? Both. Yeah. Interesting. Great movies. I was sort of I was like I was completely afraid of horror movies until I was much older than eight. I just didn't, I watched like Wizard of Oz when I was a kid and it scared me so much. The monkeys are scary. It's so scary. I was so scary. I was afraid of the witch. I was not afraid of the monkeys.

The monkeys I was fine with. Everybody, I've heard this, everybody really scared of the monkeys. I was like terrified of witches. And then I read that book, Witch witches, and that did not happen. I did not. And then as I got like older, older, like into high school, I mean, I loved, I loved Shaun of the Dead as well. I'd watched some horror comedies.

That was a big one. But then as I got into high school, I started watching like, like The Thing was the first one that I was like, oh, these people did like absolutely spectacular filmmaking. And then from there, the first Halloween and a lot of the John Carpenter stuff, and then Scream also, when I was in maybe eight or ninth grade,

I was like, oh, this is amazing. And I was freaked out by it. It's not really a scary movie, but it still freaked me out. Yeah. Those were ones where if I can enjoy it enough to it be worth me being scared, I'll watch it. And then after that, like in college, I lived with a bunch of my like roommates from

film school who are giant hard buffs. And they showed me a bunch of, but I still don't like, if anything feels like upsetting to me, I'm just not going to watch it. I like to watch foreign horror movies. Because I feel like at that, you know, when I was a really young kid watching horror movies, I wouldn't be able to handle, like there was a limit. I wouldn't be able to handle, you know, if you were to show me like Rosemary's Baby at that age or like Hereditary or like any of those sort of psychological, I think it would have truly, truly disturbed me. I just kind of watched the fun ones.

But I do like the idea too of like... And I think about it a lot actually, where there are movies, like kids movies, or movies that were for families that are terrifying, that have terrifying like scenes in them. And I think people neglect that. Because like when people think about like, oh, what was the first time, you know,

you were scared in a scary movie? I'm like, well, all my memories of being terrified in movies like weren't- Like the Lion King. Pinocchio. Lion King. Pinocchio. Pinocchio's so fucking scary.

That's the way it comes to- Yeah, so upsetting. Whatever it is, I just saw a clip about that the other day. It's so scary. Neverending story where he loses the horse. So scary. Yeah. Matilda.

Yes. Matilda. Dude, you know what actually really scared me growing up, not scared me, but just like really was like hit deeply for me was Harriet the Spy. Yes. That movie really messed me up because it's like bullying. It's about like social isolation. Yeah. It's a little more, it's like a Nickelodeon movie that's like disguised as a movie that's like this really fun movie, but it's literally a work wise movie.

Yes. Because what happens is, have you seen it ever? No. Basically, it's like this young girl is like really curious and like wants to be a spot. And then at the same time, she's been like writing this journal about everyone, like kind of like doing a recon on like all of her classmates and like kind of has like every idiosyncrasy like written down and like also drama and her opinions about people it leaks and like one of the friends finds it and her entire school turns against her because they just think she sucks because she's like judged all these people and so for the rest

of the movie she's just like treated like. It's like every child's worst nightmare. Like I remember there's a scene where she's in art class and they're painting. They're like doing this painting thing. And then one of the girl, like the mean girls like gets up and it's so real. It's like handheld. It's all on handheld. It's so real. She gets up and just pours an entire bucket of blue paint onto her. And oh, sorry. And then like. I mean, that's like straight out of Carrie.

It is. Everyone to keep, like to keep messing it up and like to keep making it scarier. It's like, then all of the kids come in and start like trying to clean her up, but they're all like aggressively, like they're grabbing all these paper towels and they're like rubbing it all on her even more.

And she's like, stop, stop. It's so scary. That's upsetting. I'm being like re-traumatized right now, remembering this movie. It's a horror, like it literally, when I think about it, that's a horror movie scene. True.

100%. This is how we prime children to be ready for horror movies. It's like we just drip it in there in their regular content. I think kids should be. I think that there should be kind of like challenging things for kids in kids' movies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, it was fun to see. I feel like in Hell of a Summer, there are a lot of like homages to different horror movies like John Carpenter, Scream. Like, what were your favorite... Were there specific ones you were thinking of when you were directing the film? Yeah, I think so. I mean, there's a, there's, I think like a rotation that we would talk about. Scream was one. Um, Shaun of the Dead was also a big one. I mean, I remember like early on we would read the script and that's kind of like inspired. I feel like Shaun of

the Dead sort of the premise or I guess kind of like inspired. I feel like Shaun of the Dead sort of the premise or I guess the tone really inspired our film. The script to Shaun of the Dead was probably the biggest influence on this movie in terms of being like a sort of one-to-one comparison. That idea that it's like a movie that exists within a genre and like the horror genre and a sub-genre of horror but is really a character-driven movie about like somebody who's sort of forced to grow up and that was and it being a subgenre of horror, but is really a character driven movie about somebody who's sort of forced to grow up. And that was, and it being a comedy and kind of the fact that the comedy is all coming from within these characters and they're like,

weird behavioral, all their issues essentially. But stylistically, yeah, Shana, then because it's so hyper-specific stylistically, we didn't want it to feel like we were trying to make a movie that looked or sounded or felt really like China the Dead from a style directive. And then, yeah, a lot of the movies we looked at was like, how can we make it kind of feel like one of those sort of camp slashers that we love, like that sort of weird like cozy camp slasher vibe, while also feeling

contemporary and not doing like a film emulation thing, but being like, how can we light it? What can the color palette be? That sort of evokes that sense of nostalgia without like hitting over the head with it. But weirdly, like a lot of our sort of references visually came more from like the dramedy comedy space and like coming of age teen comedies or movies like The Graduate.

I mean, our movie doesn't really look like The Graduate, but that was like a movie that we sort of were talking a lot about. Yeah. The Howling. The Howling, like American Werewolf. And I think, yeah, it's striking a balance. I feel like for us where we, as much as we wanted it to feel like Scream or like Sleepaway Camp, we also wanted it to feel like Freaks and Geeks. So it's a fun mashup. Yeah, exactly. So I mean, you know, we even like,

like Abby Quinn who plays Claire in the movie, like we were kind of her characters. I mean, she's it's not it's not a very similar character anyway, but like we took inspiration from Linda Cardellini's character from Freaks and Geeks and like, yeah, and just these groups and clicks and stuff. So yeah, we definitely these groups and clicks and stuff. So yeah, we definitely, I think, had a lot of different inspirations from a lot of different genres and movies. I mean, for one thing that I love so much

is Paranorman, the Leica movie. That was a gigantic influence, also as far as score went. Oh, cool. Because there's a real sweetness to that movie and a real sweetness to the score and weirdly kind of a grandness, an epicness to it. And at the same time, it's really good at doing some more campy 80s carpenter style things. sort of campy 80s carpenter style thing. So we just looked at just movies that we loved

and tried to put a little bit of that DNA into the movie as much as we could without it seeming like we were stealing a bunch of movies. You know, it feels that way and it feels like, like you said earlier, a poor movie that wants you to have a good time. The three of us have very different relationships to scary movies and Sammy loves movies

that make you feel like absolute shit. I don't, I don't want to feel bad ever. And they're just enly, so we were really thrilled. Like to get, I love the horror genre, but I won't watch it if it's gonna make me feel terrible. So to get a movie that is still hyper violent, following the horror tropes, you're getting slasher murders, but it's like, we're having a good time, right?

Is like such a treat to be able to be given that. And so you kind of answered it, but like, what are you hoping people can take from this movie? Like, are you hoping that it is wider than just a horror audience? Yeah, absolutely. I think that like, I think that there's stuff in there that horror fans will

like because, again, it does have those elements and aspects of a classic summer camp slasher movie. And there are some really cool practical kills that we've done. But at the same time, the heart of the movie for us was always this relationship and this character who's sort of having to leave this aspect of his childhood behind and step into adulthood. So we really wanted to make like yeah, we really wanted it just to feel like there was something for everybody and then it kind of spoke to these

universal feelings that I think, you know, every young person goes through throughout basically history. And every older person remembers. Remember, yes. older person remembers. Remember, yes. Trying to, this is sort of like sidestepping your question, but part of the reason that we wrote the movie is because we were young actors. We've read a million scripts written about teenagers today and we were teenagers when we wrote this movie. And it was like none of, all of them were trying so hard to like speak to some new problems that teenagers now are having that nobody else has ever faced and they're trying to chase what's kind of hot.

And it just always felt so pandering and inauthentic. And dates. Yeah, and then immediately dated by the time the movie comes out. So we wanted to make a movie that felt authentic to our experience as young people, but also in the sense that it was completely timeless. It's a movie about being insecure or like leaving parts of your life behind or

like trying to balance a new relationship with like a friendship. And then at the same time, it's also about like surviving this murderer. But we'll watch movies from the sixties and like relate to what the young people and those things are going through. And it's like, teenagers now aren't actually that different than teenagers were in the 50s. It's like, there's a lot more in common than I think people like to admit.

There's just more bells and whistles and insane distractions from it. Like, yeah, I mean, personally, I'm not even joking. I want people to bring their grandparents to this movie. I want people to go and like, cause I really do think that there are scenes in this movie, like even if they don't, even if you bring your grandma, I totally understand if she actually wasn't her thing. Yeah, no, I think that there's sweet scenes in it that I think people

would gravitate towards that like aren't necessarily horror fans. That's to me also like exactly, you know, when we talk about a movie like Shaun of the Dead, that movie is so emotional and so sweet, and characters love each other so, or like the director has so much love for his characters, and the characters care so much about each other, but also their own kind of selfish things,

which is relatable. And so, to me, that's like what makes like such a good, fun movie to watch with your friends or with your family because you all relate to it. Yeah, there are a lot of, I think, horror comedies that have a tendency to be very cynical or like pessimistic or kind of look down on their characters or just be like treating them as ways to get to a kill

and making them unlikable. And we really wanted, like, I have a lot of love for every character in this movie. And what we wanted to do is write characters that felt real and funny and like likable enough that you're rooting for them, but also not too likable. That if they do get killed, you're like, you're like finding that balance of being like, oh, this person's like fun and a little bit annoying and I can kind of sympathize with them. And if they die, like I won't be heartbroken about it. Yeah we never

wanted it to be like looking down on like young people or looking down at people in general like there's a there's a sense of like kind of optimism in this movie and especially coming through the main character that like really excited us about making it because I don't know yeah I didn't want to make like a nasty like, oh, isn't this funny? All these people are getting killed. It was like, I want it to be funny because of who the people were and the way that they're responding to everyone getting killed. Yeah, that's sweet.

I wish all horror movies were like that. Unfortunately, not all of them are so optimistic, but it is nice to get one that has that tone. Yeah, that makes me think about, okay, so Sammy, but it is nice to get one that has that tone. Yeah, that makes me think about, okay, so Sammy, Emily and I are best friends first, and then we have this podcast second. And you guys are friends outside of working together too, right? So how is that? What's that like working together, also being friends? Is it really fun? Do you guys have like a clear way of like dividing responsibilities? I mean. Yes and no. Like I feel like we've always had like just a great shorthand and I think

like because we're both Canadian we're kind of conflict avoidant people or I would say that I'm like conflict avoidant person that like doesn't love if like, you know, I like you avoided conflict thereby not Like literally so but I think like getting better at like having this kind of like conversations that aren't even a big deal at all, but just even if there's a little conflict or a little disagreement or a little, it's just important to say it. Yeah, it's so hard. It's like everyone says that,

but actually doing it is so hard. It's the worst feeling ever. And I'm only really doing it with everyone, all friends and even family and stuff. You get a little older and you just have to sometimes say stuff that goes against what you, you wanna please your friend and you wanna do exactly right by the movie

and your friend and then sometimes something will come up. And I'd say we're both very good about it because we both just talk. I mean, even yesterday I was like, I texted him being like, hey man, I'm tired. I think I need a break after. Yeah, we all do. Like after this movie or like after because we're producing another film.

But and he and like, I don't know. It was very like touching because, you know, we just we care about each other first. That's the same thing as like we just care about each other first. That's the same thing as we just care about each other. A lot of times, yeah, throughout the process of, we made this movie for a long time and there were elements, there were periods of time when it's like as a friend, I just would see like, oh, you're not in the head space to be doing this right now.

Then if that was the case, we just put it away for a little, like it wasn't the time thing where like, yeah, I think because we were friends first, it allowed us, one, like, it allowed us to make the movie in the way that we made it and like in a very scrappy way. And I think you sort of feel our friendship and our friendship with Fred,

which like really, really, really developed towards this movie. And everyone else in the cast, like I was friends with Abby beforehand, but like there is a sense of like camaraderie and like fun that I think- And family, honestly. It's a lot easier because we're actually friends.

And then yeah, like it does make it, I sure as you guys all know, there are challenges. Like there's a reason that people obviously don't always mix business and friendship. But this is a movie that was really sort of born out of our friendship. And then yeah, just to get like, when you text, I don't want to air out our conversation too much,

but when you text me, I was like, yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, I was gonna, I was like, I think I know. Like, I was like, I was gonna, I was, I think I texted you like, I was gonna tell you or like, you know, this week, but like, cool. Yeah, sounds good. So I think that is, it is helpful in a lot of ways. It is. It's like very, cause then it's like, yeah, I don't know how you guys, you know, delineate stuff, but like, that the word delineate. Yeah, that's a word. word delineate? Yeah. That's a word.

It's a word, yeah. That sounds right to me. Any word is a word, yeah. Probably like 85% chance that I could've got that right. Yeah, that's probably, yeah. None of us bad at an I, seem great. That's very good. No, yeah, just the idea of like, yeah, working with friends, like, yeah, I don't know, everyone

kind of deals with it differently, and I think we've done a pretty, I would say, great job with each other. I'm proud of us for sure. I think that helps too. If you leave it feeling like your relationship is stronger, that you can be proud of each other in addition to proud of the thing you're making. Exactly. Yeah. I think that's the thing that will carry you through. 100%. In addition to proud of the thing you're making. Exactly, yeah. I think that's the thing that like, yeah, we'll carry you through. 100%.

Yeah. And I think, I mean, I'm speaking also now from our experience, but like having to have those more difficult conversations with a friend, I think strengthens the friendship as well. And so I feel like, and I think working in a positive environment creates better work. And so it's like, in a way they can have a positive feedback

loop as like improving the friendship and improving the work. But there's obviously challenges as well. But working with friends is great. It's great, we love it. Not to air it out here, but. No, keep going, that's what this is for. I am replacing you with Timothy Schallemay. CGI, Timothy Schallalamet's face. CGI, Timothy Chalamet's face.

Did you guys have a favorite memory from set? A favorite thing that happened? That is a great question. I'm trying to think, because I've said a favorite scene that we've done and I've sort of said the same thing a couple times in the last couple of days, and I'm trying to think if there's something that was almost unrelated that was really funny.

There are moments, I mean dude, like there's so many moments from the film that just have to do with like planning and like planning and talking with crew and- Logistics. Yeah, logistic that like sticks so hard in my mind. Like I remember there was one time, the thing, something that comes into my head was

there was a big conflict. It wasn't actually a conflict, no, I would say it was a conflict. I think we have the same thing that we're thinking of. That's what I was gonna say. Oh conflict. It wasn't actually a conflict. No, I would say it was a conflict. I think we have the same thing that we're thinking of. That's what I was going to say. Oh, no, no, that's good. Well, there's a few things.

There's a few things. We also, that is the other thing. Like we, going back to talking about conflict aversion and all this stuff, directing and filmmaking forces you to do that and to have more difficult conversations with people because in order to get what you want, you just have to do that and to have more difficult conversations with people because in order to get what you want you just have to do this and also like to be honest with people in that scenario is like really important. So there are like many times where you know

there would be disagreements with specific crew and they were amazing by the way like we really had like people that were like helped us immensely but sometimes you know you just you get into something and there's a conflict but I remember specifically there was this scene near the end of the movie that I won't spoil totally spoiled but there's like it involves like Billy being thrown through a ping pong table basically brutal not basically was thrown into a ping pong table. And we got into the room to like scout it, like after it was dressed and everything and the production designer dressed everything and like the ping pong table was like so thick and like it had like jagged metal edges.

Oh God. We were just like, oh, he's going to die. That's dangerous. Yeah. You know, every flimsy ping pong table ever. Yeah. You know how they basically are always falling apart no matter what?

Why do we have the most industrial strength? Like, big, like, with like, flying with. You know what it was? It was almost like, oh, there's no way that I'm going to be. It was like an Olympic-style, like, and like, that's just the one that like either the, they had sourced or like the only one that could really, they could find, I guess, in the area. And you're like, go on Facebook marketplace, like go on.

Get some cardboard. Let's just put something together, right? You guys are literally like saying like, word for word, exactly what we were, like what we were saying. And then I remember it was just the funniest thing ever. We're like, you have like meetings about this. Like we had a group, why like a crew meeting about like this ping pong table. And I remember being like, I can't believe we're having a meeting about this. This is a bunch of adults discussing ping pong table thickness. No one knew what to do. Like he was like, oh yeah, we just got this thing.

And then Billy and I were like, can we just like put balsa wood on top of it or something, cut it in half? And then our director's assistant, who's my childhood best friend, who I've known forever, who's a huge character and really was kind of our Swiss army guy who kind of just like jumped between all these different departments in order to make things smooth, like at the back of the room and it was just like I know what to do and okay and he just like he like took it upon himself

to basically make it apart table like safer for like me and really like I did I know you were thrown through I was thrown through but not in the way that my stunt double was thrown yeah so like it was beyond, you know, but you know you care about him too presumably so I was cool. He was probably Guy, I'm not gonna do the voice but he was probably I'll fuck and go through anything Table I can't go through I'm not worried Yeah, I won't go through, I'm not worried. I won't, I won't. Yeah, I won't. Let's figure that out.

Yeah, I had one, and this is somewhat similar, but just something that I've taken into it. There was another, basically something was supposed to happen, it didn't happen. Something fell through, and I'm being as big as I purposely can, and somebody came up to us to break the news to us that the thing that was supposed to happen and had been planned on happening wasn't going to happen in the way that it was supposed

to. And they like danced up to us awkwardly to try to make it like more of like a friendly like conversation. Like was going to upset us. They like take it up and away from us. It was like extras. Like have you seen extras? Yes. Yes. Yes. Like it was like extras like have you seen extras yes yes like it was like that it was like a scene from extras and i remember being like i was i was looking at billy and billy it was behind me like the arc remember who was like trying to like smooth things over was dancing up to us was doing that and billy as you're talking billy just goes oh my god don't turn around don't like and they're dancing and this person is dancing towards us right now. Taking that into my like I'll do that as a bit sometimes.

I'm dancing at you. Uh oh, uh oh, you're not going to like what's going on. It's such a funny way to break terrible news. It's actually genius. Can we interview this person? I want to talk to them. So I know it was so like, it was so like, I was not expecting it at all that I almost was just like, okay, like, so disarmed, like kind of work. And there you go. Yeah, that's the goal. And that's a professional. Yeah. I was a little bit like, and that is just the nail in the coffin. But it was funny still.

But it was definitely like all that. All that was a part of it. It's made it so fun. It's one of the most stressful, frustrating aspects of making a low-budget independent film in 19 days. We were having laughs, we were laughing at ourselves, getting annoyed at things because it just was funny. Us having this big queue at a ping pong table like is funny to have a bunch of like professional people

who we really respect all like, so the ping pong table. Yeah, it made us laugh so hard. Yeah, and so there's all like great, obviously one of the most rewarding fun experiences of my life, but like the fact, I think it circles back to us being friends, like having a person that is on set with you as your like partner and teammate in this,

it makes it a lot easier to laugh about how sort of ludicrous some of these things feel. Yeah, and how it gets you at your head. Yeah, definitely. And there's also one more thing that I remember happening, which was that we kind of had this guy who was a special effects,

like, yeah, special effects on set supervisor, who was kind of like the mascot of the film, because he was like so unbelievably sweet and like a real character. But there would sometimes like be scenes where there would be like at most like smoke in the air and haze. And there was one time where we were in the woods filming a scene and he had his like,

his kind of second in command, like running around with a, with a little smoke pen, running around back and forth on the thing. And I just remember it being... He said something sarcastic, like his second in command said something sarcastic to him, because we had to roll, so we were like, oh, can we get so-and-so out of there, because we need to start rolling.

And then the special effects supervisor or whatever said to the friend like, so and so you need to get out of there. And then he said something kind of sarcastic and biting. Sassy. A little sassy. And then the supervisor just said over the walkie in front of everyone, he was like, what does he say?

He said like, subtlety is appreciated Yeah, there was something so funny Yeah He's like everybody was like sleeping everybody was like up all night every night We'd go we were all like staying at his weird not weird is, it was actually quite lovely. This fishing lodge, like not too far away from camp, eating breakfast, like the sun comes up, we go home. Well, ours wasn't lovely. Well, yeah, but let's not even dwell on it.

We were in the kitchen, like a beautiful like Victorian kitchen on the wall. Not even a complaint. And we were in like two trailers. With rats on the wall. With rats in the wall. Parking a lot. With rats. Maybe it added to the horror vibe.

Yeah. Get you more. Carping a lot with rats. Maybe it added to the horror vibe. Yeah. Get you more. You know what really did, all of these things that we're talking about, I don't want it to sound like they're, you know, like, oh, like complaining. They're just a part of what it was, the process. It was so fun.

So, I mean, a lot, yeah, it's funny, because you asked that question a long time ago, and we've been rambling, but like, No, it's great. The idea of, there's so much stuff that comes back that's like, and we've been rambling, but like... No, it's great. I love it. There's so much stuff that comes back that's like, sometimes it doesn't even have to do with the scene work or shooting. It's more just the experience around it or the process around it.

I feel like that always comes through in a movie. Like, if you're having a great time, if you hear about the actors, the crew having a great time, I feel like more often than not, it just, you can tell on the screen. And I feel like that comes through in Hell of a summer. It was just so much fun to watch. Yeah, seriously. After you guys are rested and have a break, do you think you'll be really support? It's important to rest. Do you guys think you will be writing and directing more horror or are

you switching up genres? We kind of, it's funny, to us, it really depends on the premise of the film or the story of the film, the characters, like it always comes from characters first. And whatever genre I think fits the vibe of those characters, the thing that it ends up being. So, I mean, we have a movie that we're developing that is another horror comedy. And that mean, we have a movie that we're developing that is another horror

comedy. And that's like a pretty specific movie because just again, like the character, the two main characters in it, I won't really give it much away, but it's more of like a pretty personal story and it makes sense. Yeah, it's like, it's not dissimilar from Hell of a Summer, but it's like it's weird cousin. It's yeah So there's something crazy. Yeah, but what yeah, it's way like saying here and kind of I think I think it's really fun I think oh my guts made but but then other than that like I I've always wanted to make like comedy movies dramedies. Like I think that Every movie I'd make I would hope would be somewhat funny because I just think that people are funny Like I just think that people are weird and funny and that how serious the movie is is usually

opportunity for something to be funny about it. But yeah, I truly don't know. Maybe I'd like to, I kind of want to make an action movie at some point. That's Emily's bread and butter. Emily's obsessed with action movies. I am. I'm pretty genre agnostic as well. I really want to make a music movie. Nice. Oh, cool. And musical? Not a musical. I could make a music movie. Like a music, something that heavily involves either like a band or someone that is a musician. Or like a slasher. Is there a slasher movie? Oh, slasher musical?

Kind of, there's one that's called Phantom of the Paradise. Have you guys seen that movie? No. No. Never even heard of it. No. The Phantom of the Paradise. I know the poster. Yeah, so the poster's like, I don't know if you guys Google it when you want.

I think you probably will, you will probably recognize the poster. It was like the OG- Oh, yeah. Rocky horror, like that. It's like the OG Rocky Horror, like that. It's that town group. Yes, yes. Cool. It was like, I think made, I don't know,

two years before Rocky Horror, and it's Brian DePalma who did Carrie and- Oh yeah. Everything, and so it's so weird, and it is kind of a slasher actually. So- And it's musical though? And it's musical. But- I'm sure there's actually gonna be a ton of slasher musical. So it's musical though. It's musical. But I'm sure there's actually a ton of slashing musicals

that just haven't been. I don't think there really have been. But I'm sure that I'm like almost positive. So I'm like, we gotta make a slashing music. And you just never seen it probably for a reason because musicals are hard to get right. But they're hard to get right. Yeah.

But I, you know what? Someone else who's listening, make the next great slashing. Phantom of the Paradise is- There you go, call the next grade slash. Shannon in the Paradise is. There you go, call to action. Yeah. Shannon in the Paradise is very underrated and I actually prefer it to Rocky Horror.

I'm gonna watch it. Okay. This is exciting. Yeah, adding it to the list. I feel like I wanna do, I wanna call it, can I do it please? Can you make the movie? Sure.

No, no, she wants to recap it. No, I wanna recap it. That's the, I mean, that's the fun thing about horror about horror movies, but horror specifically is like, we can never have too many. Like life is scary. There's always going to be more room for more ideas. And it's just exciting to see more and more great horror movies getting made. So thanks.

Thanks for making a horror movie. Of course. Thank you for watching. Yeah. Talking about this. Yeah. Thank you guys so much for taking the time to talk to us today. And yeah, congratulations.

I hope everybody listening goes and sees this movie in theaters because we all know that horror is best in a theater with a crowd. Especially a fun one. And a fun one. You guys are going to have a good time. So go see it. Bring all your friends, make it an outing. Bring your grandma.

Bring your grandmas. Grandma. Yeah. And you guys take a good long rest. Take a little rest. You deserve it. Will do. Wow.

Wow, how about that? How about that? Amazing. That was our interview. Hell of a summer, hell of a time. Hell of a summer, hell of a time. Finn and Billy, what could be better? Thank you all for sticking around for the interview

and make sure you go see Hell of a Summer in theaters. Why the hell not? It's so great to go to the theaters in the summer. In the hell of a summer. It's a great time. It's an Easter movie. It's a good Easter movie. Yes.

I love that. My favorite summer holiday, Easter. My favorite summer holiday. Go celebrate Christ's resurrection by watching Hell of a Summer. And I, yeah, I don't know. I fucking loved it. So you will too. That's how it works.

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