Too Scary; Didn't Watch - IMMACULATE (Vault Release)

Episode Date: December 25, 2024

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This is a HeadGum Podcast. People throwing parties, ugly sweaters everywhere, stockings hung up by the chimney with care. It could only mean one thing. McRib is here. At Participating McDonald's for a Limited Time. This episode was originally released in April of 2024 on our Patreon, and we are releasing it wide now for the holidays. A beautiful holiday film, if you ask me. And we hope that you enjoy it and that you are having a lovely holiday season, being cozy, taking care of yourself, spending time with your loved ones, and maybe fitting a

horror movie or two into there as well, just to keep you fresh. I know I will be doing just that, seeing Nosferatu. Stay tuned. We love you guys so much and we will be back in 2025 with new episodes. This is Emily, Henley and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi everyone. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, bonus episode number two for the month of April in the year 2024. Hello. Hello. We are doing another new release. It's, we're chock

full of them right now. They just keep on coming. It's actually crazy. I've been looking at the calendar and there's like one or two per month for the next couple months. Like we're not even at October yet. This is like all through spring and summer. There's just a pretty steady stream of horror releases coming out. So. My goodness.

And I'm pretty excited for all of them. Yeah, there's like a lot of good ones, which is, I feel like 2023 was like not the best year for horror. There was a couple standouts. Yeah, put some duds in there for sure. Yeah, so I'm just feeling pretty freaking amped. Me too.

Yeah, so in the poll for the April episode, you guys chose Late Night with the Devil, but a very close second was immaculate. And I- I've been chomping at the bit for this one. I know I'm gonna hate it. I know, believe me, I know. I've read the one sentence synopsis. I know, I know.

I did write in my notes, Henley asked for this. Be sure to remind them that Henley asked for this. Oh wow, okay. Am I gonna hate it as much as Henley? No, probably not. I mean, it's immaculate. It's like about immaculate conceptions, very pregnancy focused.

So, brace yourselves. I just watched Dune 2, baby, and it's my favorite movie. And I know it won't be the same, but that was dealing with some weird ass shit going on with a fetus. So I'm down for anything.

That's true. Some pretty weird pregnancy stuff in there for sure. That stuff did throw me a bit. Wasn't expecting that. Just the little fetus hand being like, Paul, your future. His name is Paul. His name is Paul is really funny. It's just Paul. And Jessica. Jessica's honestly funnier. It is Jessica's a really, it's a very funny name.

10,000 years in the future. Paul and Jessica. Paul and Jessica, they stood the test of time, those names. They really have staying power. I know. God, it makes me laugh. Incredible, incredible stuff. Anyways, okay, let's talk about Immaculate.

Yeah. This was, it's in theaters now, for those who don't know. It was directed by Michael Mohan, written by Andrew Lobel, starring Sidney Sweeney, Alvaro Morte, Benedetta Porcaroly, and Simona Tabasco from White Lotus. I mean, Sidney Sweeney's all-seed. All-seed.

Oh. Also from White Lotus. Different season,ney Sweeney's All Seek, All Seek, also from White Lotus. Different season, that's fun. Different seasons. Michael Mohan, is that a name we're familiar with? Is this a person we know? I wasn't, but I listened to an interview with him afterwards and found out some kind of interesting

behind the scenes stuff about this movie. Sidney Sweeney auditioned for this role 10 years ago when she was 17. Oh wow. What? Different director, it's a, the writer Andrew Lobel has been working on it for 18 years and Michael Mohan came on board and within three months they were shooting.

So he was like, for me it was a whirlwind, but for everybody else they've been working on this for like a decade. Was Sydney cast in it 10 years ago? Yes, and then whatever studio it was went under. And so it just fell apart. Yeah, but she was really passionate about it. And so she signed on as a producer and got-

Yeah, she's like, I'm famous now, so let's go. So now she, yeah, exactly. Got it made herself, got Michael Mohan on board. They had worked together on a movie called The Voyeurs, which I'm intrigued to see. It was a couple of years ago. Oh, I remember seeing posters for that. Me too.

And Michael Mohan in his interview I listened to was talking about how he's like obsessed with erotic thrillers and he just wanted to make an erotic thriller like they made in the good old days and that's what I want I want that in my life you're speaking my language Michael Mohan yes I was is this a very erotic movie that we're about to watch feels like no no no that's not so much conception no not so much but I am curious to see the Voyeurs. And then they worked together on a TV show that now I can't remember which TV show it was,

but her and Michael Moyan have worked together for on a couple of things. And so she brought the script to him, they tweaked it a bit and then they got into production. Damn, you were working on a script for 18 years and in three months, some other guy fucking tweaks it and makes it happen. Yeah, that really sucks.

That would make you feel some kind of way. It would probably make you feel some kind of way. And Sydney Sweeney also produced Anyone But You. Is that the rom-com? It is, and we simply can't talk about it right now because if you get me, I watched the reasoning and if you get me started on anyone but you, I will never stop talking about it.

It's an Irish wish, it's an Irish wish situation. It is crazier than Irish wish. We will be talking about it at some point but it cannot be right now. Isn't the whole conceit that they are disgusted by each other, but they're also like the hottest people in the world. So it's really hard to believe.

That's a tried and true rom-com trope. Everything else that happens is. Takes place in a reality none of us have ever seen. OK, and we simply can't. I get we can't, but I promise you we will. I really, really wanna see it. But I can't wait. I now think I need to see everything

Sidney Sweeney does because... I'm really fascinated by it. Wow, I'm curious. Because she's all over the map. She's doing things that you would expect her to do, like, cause she's, you know, blonde bombshell. She's producing and starring in a Barbarella remake, which feels like that's what you would imagine that she would do. And then she's doing shit like Immaculate, which is opposite end of the spectrum.

And she's just, she's not being pigeonholed. She's like, I'm going gonna do all sorts of shit. Watch me do this. Now I'm gonna do this. It's really fascinating. Yeah, I really love it for her. I do too. She's also really emerged as like

the next young Hollywood elite, you know? There's a new young Hollywood elite. I feel like that whole cast of Euphoria emerged as the next Hollywood elite. I feel like that whole cast of Euphoria has emerged as the next Hollywood elite. It's fun. And I guess we'll have to wait another, what, 15 years for the next season of Euphoria? Seems like it, yeah.

I heard that she did an interview recently where she said she read scripts, and then I guess she got in trouble for saying she read scripts for the new season, and the next time she was interviewed, someone was like, so I heard she read scripts and then I guess she got in trouble for saying she read scripts for the new season. And the next time she was interviewed, someone was like, so I heard she read scripts for Euphoria. And she like looked terrified and then took a sip of water and was like, talking about Euphoria is as scary

as talking about a Marvel movie. Like I do not know what I'm allowed to say. Oh right, I forgot she was in Madam Web. Everybody forgot that. Yeah. Immaculate has a 71% on Rotten Tomatoes, a 57% on Metacritic, and a 6.3 on IMDB. Okay, pretty standard.

The budget was nine million, and so far it has made 18.5 million. Only been a couple weeks, so it's done pretty well. This is a neon film. I feel like neon and A24 are kind of the go-tos for artsy indie horror. Artsy, scrappy, spunky. And I mentioned this before,

but I thought this trailer looked bad and I hurt Henley's feelings when I poo-pooed it too quickly and I... You hurt my feelings. I have that. I apologize. And here we are. We're doing it.

We're doing it. Mending fences. Exactly. heard that the last 10 minutes get insane. And that's been what everyone has been like hyping up about like, Oh my god, the finale is crazy, crazy, crazy. I will talk, we'll talk when we get there. Those people perhaps aren't watching one horror movie a week minimum. Yep, exactly. Mm-hmm. Been there, done that, seen it. I've got some recommendations for those people who said that about this movie,

because that's kind of the whole thing with horror movies is the last act is supposed to be really fucking crazy. Yeah. So this isn't breaking any new ground here. I mean, the final act of every movie is supposed to Ramp things up and when when what you're ramping up is like fucking Demons and the devil and murderers it should it should get pretty wild. Yeah, but even like Very popular horror movies get crazier than this like a hereditary and Midsommar, I'd say get crazier than this.

So- I mean Hereditary, I think takes the cake. Yeah, I mean, they get really crazy. But that's something that's like, yeah, now we can say, wow, the last 10 minutes. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Like what bar are we holding this to?

Yeah. And don't get me wrong, it is crazy. And maybe when we get there, you guys will be like, Sammy, are you okay? But I guess my expectations were a little too high for those last 10 minutes. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, my tolerance is through the absolutely through the roof. So my tolerance is absolutely through the roof. So you also love you. I don't know what happens in this film, but one of your favorite things is when, oh, especially a woman who's been going through some shit is like, well, fuck you guys.

I'm going to fucking go balls to the walls now. And I feel like if that had really happened, you would be more satisfied. And what you're saying to me right now makes me feel like maybe it had really happened, you would be more satisfied. And what you're saying to me right now makes me feel like maybe it wasn't as much of that as it could have been. But also, I don't know the plot of the recap, because like you kind of know what's gonna happen. Hell yeah. Who gives a shit, you know? Who gives a shit?

Let's just take a look. Let's just have a little fun. Okay, great. I'm down. I'm down. I'm down. I'm down. Let's do it.

I know God saved me for a reason, but I guess I'm still searching for what that reason is. Too much, blood of Christ. It's a miracle. You are with child. Out of all the women in the world, why did he choose me? How can we trust what's inside you? I'm glad she's not 17. Yeah, same, same. That's so true.

I'm glad she's an adult. Whatever happens. Wow. It looks beautiful. It is. Beautifully happens. Wow, it looks beautiful. It is. It's really well shot. It looks good. And there's a lot to like about it.

It's not my favorite movie I've ever seen. She's seen a lot of movies. And that's fine. And that's fine. It's like an interesting mix of trying something a little new and falling on some pretty tired tropes. I feel like obviously demon Catholic church horror movies have been done a lot.

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So there were also annoying teens in my theater. Just wanna. Wait, I wanted to tell you guys, I saw Dune II in Burlington, Vermont, maybe the stoner capital of the entire world. And so there were everyone in the movie theater with us was purely stoned. And there were two guys sitting in front of me.

It was also eclipse day. And Dune II has been out for like, what a month. So long. so long. I feel like that's prime get high and go see Dune II situation, yeah. The amount of king size candy bars the two college age boys ate in front of me was astonishing.

It was a constant supply of king size candy bars for two and a half hours. Oh my god, that's a long movie. I thought that they would stop. They never stopped. And then when I looked over at them, they were literally, they were just king-sized candy bars wrappers.

Yeah. Like everywhere. It was crazy. I really thought about saying something to them about halfway through to be like, oh, are you guys gonna, but you can't do that. You like can't really say anything without like being, but it was also so loud.

Like they were just like, opening these candy bars the whole fucking movie. Honestly, if you're a 20 year old boy and you're not just constantly eating king size candy bars, you're doing it wrong. Where I'd go back to being 20, I would probably exclusively eat candy. There are no consequences. King size peanut M&M's, bag of peanut M&M's, and I felt pretty sick afterwards. It's a little too much now, but if you were 20, you could really do it. Yeah. And high?

They probably ate 15 candy bars and then also a huge bag of gummy worms. They were just pounding gummy worms. Yeah. I feel my acid reflux just from imagining that, like burns to think about. Okay, sorry. Okay, so we open on the actress from White Lotus season two, Lucia, I think was her name in White Lotus. Yeah, so hot, the hottest one.

She's great. We're in Italy, we're in a convent in Italy. It's nighttime. She's looking pretty scared. She's sneaking around the halls in a little nasty nightgown. And she goes into one of the other nuns rooms, tiptoeing in, quietly opening a drawer and pulling out a set of keys. Like she needs them to escape and it's very tense. She keeps looking over, doesn't want to wake up this woman. The woman like turns at one point. You think she's waking

up, but she didn't. Okay. This character's name is Sister Mary, Lucia is Sister Mary in this. She gets the keys and runs out of the convent and she gets the keys and runs out of the convent, and she's now running towards the front gate that has what seems like very excessive chains on them, and this is what the keys are for, and it's the, you know, seen it a hundred times, it's a ring of 20 keys

and she doesn't know what's for what. We simply need to be labeling those. I mean, the idea that you'd have it on a separate key chain. Without labeling is color coding something. Yep. And the other nuns, real menacing, seeming nuns have caught onto her trying to escape

and are slowly like Michael Meyer's style just walking up to her in this line. She's panicking trying to open it. She gets one of them open and so it gets, the gate can open a little bit. It's almost big enough for her to squeeze through so she's pressing herself through this opening in this wrought iron gate, and they're just in no hurry at all to come and stop her. She almost gets out by the time they get there, and they grab her ankle as she's almost all the way out, and start pulling her back, and she's pulling her way forward trying to get away from them and they just Snap her leg on the wrought iron Fence and so her bone pops out of her

And That ought to do the trick. She won't be running away on that leg they are able to get her back inside and cut to her in a coffin being buried alive. And the shot just stays on her very claustrophobic in this coffin as we're hearing dirt being shoveled on top of it and her just screaming. Just like traitors. Just like traitors. Just like traitors. Just like traitors. And her screaming for help. And end of the opening scene, get our title, Immaculate.

That's all we get of Lucia. I wonder if she filmed this before White Lotus came out before we all knew she was gonna be a big star. Maybe, but I also feel like, well, yeah. I was thinking Sydney probably cast her because they knew each other from White Lotus. But they weren't on the same season. Yeah, but you'd still like, meet.

True. Maybe they met on set, but it hadn't come out yet. Could go either way. Let's figure out how this happened. We need a timeline. Either way we know these nuns, no matter how she was cast or when this is filmed, we know these nuns are evil. We know they're bad.

It really sets that up right out the gate. We know nothing good is going to happen at this convent. Now we meet our protagonist, Cecilia, this is Sydney Sweeney, and she is coming to Italy. This convent is in Italy. I did say that, I think. But just in case I'm saying it again, we're in Italy. Very beautiful. It's in the countryside, gorgeous old convent. And Cecilia is arriving and speaking to some customs officers, like going through immigration.

I thought at this point that this movie took place in the 50s or 60s. Everything seems a little dated. She, for example, has a learning Italian book, which I feel like you could have that today, but most people would probably be learning a language on their phone or something like that. Is she dressed like a nun or is she dressed like a normal person? She's dressed like a nun. Okay. dressed like a normal person? She's dressed like a nun. Okay. Are nuns allowed to have cell phones?

I mean, I guess maybe not. No idea. Let's just say that they're not. And the customs officers are speaking to each other in Italian and she can't understand it. She's learning Italian, but she doesn't know much yet. And so they're saying back and forth to each other like, this girl's becoming a nun. She tells them that she's taking her vows tonight. So if they could hurry up, that'd be great because she's got to be at the convent to take her

vows. And one of them says to the other one, like, what a waste, because she's young and hot. Awesome. But she is steadfast in her faith. And I think one of them asks her, like, was that a hard decision to become a nun? And she was like, nope, I don't think of it that way. Like, this is just my calling. So now we're at the convent. We make it to the convent. And she is welcomed by Mother Superior who does not speak English. And there's another nun that's kind of her little right hand nun who does speak English.

And so Mother Superior tells this nun, her name is Sister Isabel, to take Cecilia, show her the grounds, give her the tour and the rundown of everything. Sister Isabel looks real salty. She's like scowling at Cecilia. Cecilia tells them she's from Michigan, I think. Okay. It's a little weird, like, what is she doing here? She doesn't speak Italian. Everybody here is Italian. Just feels a little strange. But Sister Isabelle gives her this tour of, again, this extremely beautiful building. We find out that it is a convent where older nuns go essentially when they're dying.

When they're not practicing anymore, they come here. It's kind of like half hospital, half convent, and it's just a place for all these older nuns to come to before they before they cross over. Sister Isabelle mentions the catacombs. She's like, oh, and we're above the catacombs. And Sister Cecilia is like, catacombs? Isabelle says they're off limits. Like, don't even think about it. You're the one that brought them up. Yeah. Gosh. Oh man, it is very funny. And she just gives her the tour and then gets her settled in her room and basically tells her, you know, you got to change for taking your vows tonight. So she leaves Sister Cecilia alone in her room. She changes into more formal looking, what do

you call it, more formal habit and meets her roommate or the nun in the room next to her. They share a bathroom. This is Sister Gwen. She's a kind of sassy nun. She's having a little fun. She also speaks English, luckily. And Gwen is also going to be taking her vows tonight. And we just get the sense that Gwen is a little less by the book. She's kind of, oh, they make a mention of there's a priest there named Father Sal. What is his last name? I'll call him Father Sal. And he has recruited Cecilia. I don't know if nuns are typically recruited from overseas. Sounds like he like saw her in a mall and was like, join my nun team. Yeah, and Gwen has also been recruited by him and she makes some comment like he's always picking up strays or runaways or crazy people or whatever. And, okay. Uh, Cecilia asks her,

which one are you? And she's like, I'm all of them. She's, she's a wild nun. Well, she's, she's fun. Yeah. So they get ready to go take their vows. Father Sal tells her not to worry, he'll translate everything for her because the cardinal does not speak English, so the vows will be mostly given in Italian. Already, we don't know if we can trust this guy. Is he translating properly? I don't know. And like, why would you recruit someone from Michigan?

Also, also like strays, runaways, that makes it sound like they're nuns that are just solo running around like solo nuns. Look I'm ready to be a nun. I'm a nun. I just need a place to do it. Just wandering the streets looking for someone to take me in. So they do the ceremony, you know, the typical, she's swearing an oath of poverty, chastity, giving up the pleasures of money and sex. Again, she is very certain of this choice. It doesn't seem difficult for her at all. This is the life she wants to be living. Afterwards, there's a little bit of a celebration. We're having some blood of Christ and she's chatting with Father Sal. And he again asks her like what you seem

so like steadfast in your faith, what has brought you here? I don't know, he must not say that because he brought her there. But she's- How did you want to be a nun, essentially? Yeah. And she says that because her church or parish in Michigan had closed down, she knew that God had a calling for her and she's just been searching for it. And so she's still looking for her purpose because when she was eight or something, when she was a kid, she was out on the ice, the frozen lake and fell into it

and was unconscious and was rescued but was dead for like 12 minutes technically. Whoa, that's a long time. Yeah, and so she has had this second chance at life and she believes that it's for a reason and that she has a purpose and that's what she's gonna find out. And I will say that conversation cuts to,

it's like this just regular quiet conversation between two people and does a quick cut to her screaming under the ice. It's a big jump scare. There's a lot of jump scares in this movie. You know how I feel about jump scares. Oh, sorry about that. It's okay.

They're just sometimes done just for the sake of doing them. And I don't like it. They're a little like pranks. They're a little like pranks. If it's a good prank, I'll acknowledge, hey, that was a really good prank. Yeah, good job. You got me. There are some jump scares I like. I always reference the Haunting of Hill House one and that one was really good.

But this one was honestly pretty good too, because it comes out of nowhere. Like I like it when your guard is completely down and they get you. And also when it moves the story forward, it needs to have a purpose. When it's just like a cheap jump scare, that's not okay. No. We're noticing in this conversation,

Father Sal is looking like a little too impressed by Cecilia. He's really sizing her up and we just we got a bad feeling about it. She's heading off to sleep for the evening and as she walks back to her room, this place is huge, she hears some crying coming from somewhere and walks down the halls following the noise until she finds this kind of underground level, not the catacombs, but it's just like another little prayer area where there is one nun laying face down with her arms wide and t-shaped, Jesus on the cross shape, face down and crying and moaning. Cecilia is slowly approaching her saying, ciao, ciao.

Okay. Hello. Woman who's in pain, hello? Ciao? Ciao? Ciao? I'm learning Italian, ciao! And she puts her hand on the nun's shoulder and kind of turns her so she can see her face, and over the nun's face is this red fabric, slightly sheer fabric. You know those like body suits, like the lime green man body suit? It's like that, but red. Underneath her habit.

It's a unsettling image. Cecilia doesn't like to see this. And she's startled by it. And then as she is, you know, about to leave, Mother Superior walks in. And we, the audience, can understand what she is saying because there are subtitles. But theoretically, Cecilia can't. But she kind of is very good at interpreting the body language, I suppose, because they have a conversation about there's something that this woman is

praying or signaling towards that's at the front of this room. Mother Superior leads Cecilia to show her what this woman is praying to and pulls out from this glass case a long iron steak looking thing and tells her in Italian that we can read. She's learning, she's learning, she's learning. That it is the one of the nails that went through Jesus's hands when he was nailed to the cross. That is a pretty big get.

That's a big get. That's a huge get. Good for her. And so this is a convent with recruiting power. They, yeah, we're wanna go to that one. Yeah, I think I'll be going there. And she does mime it like a charades type thing. She does, she puts her hands up and points to the palm.

And so, so- What else could it be? Sydney Sweeney puts two and two together. Mother Superior is wearing the type of gloves you would wear if you're handling a rare artifact or like an antique thing, you know, those like, to not damage it. She just tosses it into Cecilia's hands, like, take a look. Bare hands, Cecilia's looking at it now. Cecilia gets very overwhelmed by this and passes out.

Okay. Wakes up in the night in her own bed and sees someone in the corner of her room watching her, but it's completely dark, but you just see the outline of someone, creepy. She turns on the light next to her bed and person's gone. The next day she wakes up and she goes to the confessional. It's been 10 days since my last confession type of thing. Is that what they're called? Confessional? I don't know why it's, I associate that. That's what they say with reality TV. I was going to say I associate it with reality TV.

So I was like, is that so wrong? I guess you're going to confession. You say confession more than confessional, I think. I think she's doing confession. We all get it. We all get it. It's the same thing. She's confessing and she says that she's so embarrassed. She thinks she drank too much wine last night and made a fool of herself in front of Mother Superior.

And she so badly wants to be here. She feels like she's already messing it up. And we see the father in the booth here, in the booth that she's speaking to, kind of getting further away. And the way that this is shot is pretty cool because it's subtle at first. It's like you think the framing is just different from shot to shot because at first it's a close

up and then it's a medium shot, which is a normal progression of shots in any movie. But it's just kind of getting further and further away. Then we see from her point of view, him literally disappearing into darkness as he's pulled as if it's down like a long hallway. She's leaning closer and closer to the little mesh thing that divides them. We're bracing ourselves. We know jump scares coming.

Yeah. And doesn't happen there. She leans back, what the heck is going on? And all these hands burst out from the wood behind her and pull her back. This becomes kind of a Rosemary's baby, Suspiria scene where it's now all these nuns in these red bodysuits under their habits.

There's knives, there's some chanting, she's being grabbed and put on a hospital table and screaming and there's candles and it's all very crazy and then she wakes up screaming back in her bed next morning. Whoa, what a crazy dream. That was nuts. Definitely a dream. Definitely a dream is what that was.

I also love when people have dreams that are like, but what happened to the rest of your day? Like, were you supposed to go to confession and then go to bed immediately afterwards? Yeah, don't you think it's weird you don't remember the whole rest of your day? It's like, what happened? So now we get a montage of sorts of just life around the convent back to things are back

to normal. We're seeing her and Gwen getting closer. They're good friends. They're having fun. They're fun nuns. They're doing laundry while Sister Isabelle just freaking stares daggers at them. Just absolutely hates them, we don't know why. I guess because they're fun and she's not fun. They're being given a lesson in how to kill chickens, how to chop chickens' heads off.

Cecilia says, I can't do it, I'm sorry. And at the end of this montage, we don't know quite how much time has gone by, but they're in this bath house in their nasty nightgowns, a lot of nasty nightgowns in this, but they're bathing in the nasty night gowns. Which again, is like, what time period is this? Yeah. I don't know, nuns don't have, it's timeless.

Nones are timeless. And it kind of does have a sense of that it follows type, it feels somewhat intentional for it to be hard to place when it is. Because I was pretty sure it was the sixties at first. And then I was like, is it the 1800s? Because at night she'll have a little, she'll walk down the halls with a candlestick. And so I think they just don't have electricity. It's hard to know what technology do they have with what are they using? What are they using there? And also Italy, you know, this old building probably, maybe they never put electricity in it. Yeah. Countryside.

So they're they're bathing group bathing in their nightgowns. This is a big jacuzzi size tub. There's like four of them in there and they're brushing each other's hair and having a grand old time. When Cecilia leans over the side of the tub and vomits, Gwen asks if she's okay. She says, no, I don't feel good. And she says, I'll call the doctor. She is taken to the in-house little medical room. The doctor is examining her and then she's quickly taken to the Cardinal's office. Now the Cardinal is there, Mother Superior is there, Father Sal is there, and they sit her down and they start interrogating her basically.

Like repeat your vows to us. She doesn't know what's going on. And she says, I guess, war, a vow of poverty and chastity. And they're like, chastity. Yeah, chastity. That's the one. That's that part again. So you did do that? So you remember that? And she does it, she's like, what are you

getting at? What are you trying to say? And they're like, so have you upheld that one? And she's like, yeah. And they say, did you, were you intimate with a man before you got here? Have you ever been intimate with a man? She says, no, no, what is going on? They of course reveal to her she's pregnant and they're immediately like, well, it's a miracle then, which makes sense because obviously they're, they're part of orchestrating it, but it is funny to just be like, she said no, so it's a miracle then, which makes sense because obviously they're part of orchestrating it, but it is funny to just be like, she said no, so it's a miracle.

In this situation, we do believe women. In this one situation. Only this time, we'll make an exception. It's not about that time she went to confessional and we grabbed her through the confessional and then we put her in a hospital bed and we did a lot of knives and inserted a demon into her belly. We believe women when it means a potential second coming of Christ. So immediately the

whole convent is treating her differently. She's basically the Virgin Mary now. We all are standing every time she enters a room. Does she feel this way? What's her- No, she's freaked out. She doesn't understand what's going on. I think Father Sal even says like, "'This might be your calling.'" And she's like, no, I don't think so.

Like, this isn't, this doesn't feel right. She's not on board with it, but she's also like, I don't know, maybe, like this is really weird. So we get a title card now that says second trimester. So we skip ahead in time a bit. We see sister Gwen is also very weirded out by this. She's very suspicious. What's going on?

This is like not right. All the nuns like come up behind her and will like massage her and be like giving her extra food and special treatment and they say, your only job is baby. Oh my God. She still speaks zero Italian. Great.

At one point she's sleeping in her bed at night and we see this shot of some scissors coming up in a silhouette next to her bed, like someone is beside her bed with a pair of scissors. She slowly turns to face this person and the person snips a piece of her hair off and it's an older nun. So she's come from like the hospice wing. And when sister Isabelle was giving Cecilia the tour, she said, you know, some of them have a little

bit of delusions and it's best to go along with the delusions and just kind of gently steer them back to their bed or their living quarters or whatever. And so that's what Cecilia does here. She recognizes this woman and the woman's holding onto her hair like, oh, yeah, I got some of your hair. Like you're so, they keep saying Benedetta, Benedetta means blessed. And so she gets up and she takes this woman back to her hospital bed. And as she tucks her in and in and goes to leave, she sees her feet coming from underneath the sheets with red stocking looking material on them. But then she also takes a closer look and sees crosses burned into the soles of her feet, like huge cross scars.

Ew. Ew. And goes back to bed. Okay. And she's like, oh, good night. I'm sleepy. Yeah, well, that's it for me. And she is taking another bath later during the day.

And we saw this shot during the day. And we saw this shot in the trailer, she's like floating on her back, again in a full long sleeve floor length nightgown. And as she's floating with her eyes closed, Isabella comes in and starts strangling her, is attempting to drown her. She's fighting back, but Isabella is on top of her and eventually some other nuns hear and run in and are able to pull Sister Isabella off of her and they're screaming at her like, what are you doing? And we hear

Sister Isabelle screaming, it should have been me screaming it should have been me it should have been me it wasn't supposed to be you they've got to try again with me and she wants that baby inside her body yeah so we're seeing maybe now why she's been such a bitch this whole time. And the next day, Cecilia is walking around the halls and there's this shot, it's kind of a tracking shot following her in profile as she's walking through the courtyard and we see just blurry in the background, a figure standing on the roof of the convent jump off and fall to their death and everyone screams. Cecilia turns and runs to where they all are and sees that it is Isabel that has killed herself. They turn her over, she jumped, you know,

essentially fucking face first onto this pavement and they flip her over and she looks like, this is like very gory, the movie does have a good amount of gore, I'll give it that. And her face looks like the exhibits at Body Worlds, you know, when they're just like muscles. It's like as if all of the skin came off of her face somehow. Ew.

Ew. And her eyeballs just like don't have eyelids anymore. It's just. Ew. How did that happen? I don't know. It's interesting, but we get a real good look at it, which I appreciate.

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No. Ew. Gross, gross, gross, gross, gross. That's like a worst nightmare scenario. It's really bad. Yeah, you really don't wanna do that. She's getting examined by the convent doctor again, and she asks Father Sal if she can go to an actual hospital.

She says, I feel like something might be wrong. I just would love to get a second opinion. I threw up a tooth just now. Feels like... And they're very offended by this. They're like, he's the best doctor in Italy. And he says, on weekends I go to the hospital and I work there. So like, we would just take you to the hospital

that I work at and I'm the OBGYN there. Take, okay, then take me. I wanna go, let me go. Yeah. They tell her no. And she is looking pretty suspicious. She knows something is not right. And Gwen is also really suspicious and they're in the

courtyard one day and Gwen kind of has a freak out and starts yelling at everyone. You wake up everybody, what are you all doing? You think that she's pregnant, like immaculate conception happened and then Isabella killed herself, they won't let her go to a hospital. Like things are happening here that are not normal, and like none of you are asking any questions about it. This isn't right, and she- Uh-oh, Gwen. Yeah, is immediately escorted away

by some of the nuns and priests and- Time to bury her alive. nuns and priests and... Time to bury her alive. Cecilia just watches helplessly and looks very scared. That night she's sleeping in her bed when there's a jump scare. A painting on her wall falls off, makes a loud crash, and she sees behind the painting there is writing on the wall. It's in Italian, which she can't speak or read, but it does say Corinthians 11, 14. And so she opens up her Bible, goes to that passage and reads, Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So if we didn't already

know something sinister was afoot. She's finding more clues. I believe we recognize this room to be Sister Mary's room from the opening scene. And I believe that's who would have written this message. Okay. Could be wrong, but that was the impression I got. So now she's sneaking off, sneaking around in the middle of the night. She's going to go hunting for some answers. Earlier when she was being interrogated in the Cardinal's office, she saw that Mother Superior had a file on her that she wouldn't let her read. And so she's now going to go find this file. She's able to break into the Cardinal's office and she finds the file in a drawer and opens it and sees that it has newspaper clippings of her accident when she was eight or whatever.

And it has like a DNA profile of her. Oh no. So it's not normal nun stuff. Not normal nun stuff. They can't even use bones. No, and again, the DNA profile. Right, where have I ever even seen a DNA profile. Right. Where have I ever even seen a DNA profile ever in my entire life?

Where are we in time? Is it 23andMe? Right. As she's in the Cardinal's office, she hears screaming coming from somewhere in the distance once again, follows the sound of screams now into the courtyard and there's a door. We can see the light on behind this door. She knows whatever is happening is going on in there and so she walks up to it quietly and looks through the keyhole essentially and can make out Sister Gwen

And there are a bunch of nuns holding her back while another one cuts out her tongue Cecilia just kind of Watches, I mean, I guess what are you gonna Bust in there and be like, hey, don't do that. Put it, put it, put it back. I don't like it. Put it back, put it back. What the heck's going on in here? Put that tongue back in that mouth.

And then she is startled by a woman appears behind her with a little hair doll made out of her hair. This is the same woman that snuck into her room earlier and she's got a big smile on her face and she's just like, oh, Benedetta, Benedetta. Cecilia is begging her, I need to get out of here. Please help me. Something is not right. The woman gets very serious. The smile falls away and she says, you will never leave here. In perfect English? In perfect English. Oh my God.

She's like, well, I better learn that phrase because I'm going to need to say that to... I'm probably going to say that to some women. So we see Cecilia has this look of like, fuck, like no one's gonna help her out of this. So cut to the next morning, her screaming and screaming covered in blood, like in her bed there's blood all where like essentially looking like she's having a miscarriage. There's a lot of blood and Father Sal and Mother Superior run in and another nun and they're all like, one of the nuns says we need to take her to a hospital, like something could be really wrong or something is really wrong obviously.

And Father Sal is saying, no, no, no, we can't do that. We can't take her to a hospital. We can't take her to a hospital. But the doctor that is normally here because it's on the weekend, he's at the hospital right now. And so there's no doctor on the premises. And so we kind of do need to take her to the hospital. It is the only option at this time. She's screaming, please, I don't wanna die.

I don't wanna die. So they get her into a car. So cars exist. Okay. It's not the 1800s. It's not the 1800s and she is It laying in the back seat while father Sal and another priest are in the front seat and they're driving As fast as they can through the countryside, but they're in kind of the middle of nowhere So we get the sense it's gonna take a while to get there

She's screaming away in the back seat and we see one of the nuns back at the convent in her room, essentially praying at the bed where she just was, which is covered in these bloody sheets. And this woman is so obsessed with the thought of it being a potential second coming of Christ that she like is huffing these bloody sheets. She's just like stuffing them in her face being like, oh, oh, like it's this very spiritual experience for her. It's really gross. And then as she's freaking smothering herself in these bloody blankets, she notices on the floor some chicken feathers. Yeah, baby, she killed a chicken.

And finds a decapitated chicken under the bed and realizes that Cecilia has pulled a prank, a prank of her own. Oh boy. And she picks up her cell phone and calls father's cell phone. Huge twist. Huge twist. Huge twist.

What the hell? This is present day. Oh my God. I'm really thrown. And so. From the 1800s till today. This movie spans generations. But I do kind of like it.

Like I do feel like it is a timeless story. A tale as old as time. A timeless story, a tale as old as time. And we see Cecilia, she's putting on a great performance, screaming, oh my God, oh my God, as Father Sal gets the call on his phone and we see her kind of be like, uh-oh, uh-oh. And he just on the phone says, yes. Oh, okay, okay, as he slowly turns to look in the backseat at Cecilia. Yes. Oh. Okay. Okay.

As he slowly turns to look in the backseat at Cecilia and she's like, Damn it. What? I'm... Ah, ah, ah, I'm in so much pain still. And she figures out that the jig is up and he tells the driver to stop the car. He stops the car and she just gets out and fucking runs as fast as she can. Pretty cool shot. She's in again a nasty nightgown drenched in blood. It looks cool as she's running all through the countryside. There's nothing around. There's like really nowhere for her to get to.

We know she's not going to make it, but you got to try. You know, what else, what else are you going to do? So she runs for a while, but they catch up to her and grab her and bring her right back to that convent. And now Father Sal reveals to her that before he was a priest, he was a geneticist. Okay. And when they found the Holy Nail for hundreds of years, it was just, that was all they thought it was, just the Holy Nail. And I mean, it was just the holy nail and I mean it was incredible but then they found they looked closer and they found human tissue on it they found blood and bone tissue and they

I mean they don't get too far into this and I guess that's probably for the best but somehow have used that tissue to try to... Make a little Jesus baby. Make a little Jesus baby. Don't know how that works, but... All right. I guess Jurassic Park style. Yeah. Yeah.

But also... Yeah, you can make dinosaurs, you can definitely make a little Jesus baby. This is a post-Jurassic Park world now, apparently, so. Apparently, even though everything really looks ancient. And there's all these vials of deformed babies and it looks like an evil scientist lab. And he's just showing her everything and being like, you know, it's been my life's

work to bring this to life and it's finally happening and these are all my failures and you are going to be my success. But I can't have you running away again. Oh no. And so there's a creepy man in the lab as well and there's this big fireplace and he pulls out what you think is gonna be a fire poker out of the fireplace, but it's a cross branding type thing that's extra, it's the orange hot, burning hot

and they pull her feet up and brand the bottom of her feet with crosses. And so that is what we saw on the other nuns' feet. And honestly, it's a good way to get someone to not run away. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought he was getting better legs up, so I'm happier with this for sure. Yeah, this is better than that. This is at least temporary. It's like, we just need you to not run

for the next three months. You can run again one day. Well, I guess we'll see. We'll see how it goes. We'll see about that. And they throw her in her room and there's a scene of her trying to stand up and she can't stand up obviously.

And she is trapped. Cut to third trimester. She's looking ready to go any day now. She's getting an ultrasound and they're saying, yep, it's gonna be any day. Mother Superior's looking so excited. There's so much hatred boiling in Cecilia's eyes. She looks so angry, understandably. She goes back to the confessional. She goes back to confess. We see the cardinal in the booth listening to her and he's picking out his

nails while he listens to her and just peels off one of his nails and it's so slow and again it just like shows it really close up and you see like a little piece of goo. Stop, Kimmy, that's not nice. That sticks, it's like the cruel intentions kiss when it just has the little saliva string. Yes, that eventually breaks. But this is the stuff I'm talking about where I'm like, this has no reason to be in here.

It's just something you saw in another movie that you were like, I guess this can be in here. Like, why did this happen to this? Like, is this because he's so nervous about what, or like feeling guilty about what he's done? Is this something that Cecilia is manifesting because she has some like powers now? Is this something that the baby Jesus is,

is because it's actually like a satanic thing. Like it just is no real reason to why this is happening. And it for some reason really bothered me, even though I did like seeing it nice and slow and close up. We realize it's around Christmas time now. All the nuns are singing their carols. And guess what carol they sing. Carol of the Bells? Yeah. My absolute favorite.

Beautiful. And we see Cecilia alone in a room with Mother Superior and she grabs a crucifix, and just, it's like a, like a iron crucifix, and starts bashing Mother Superior's head in with it. And this is another very gory scene that it shows entirely. It shows her just completely smash her face in as her jaw falls off and an eye pops out.

It's just like extremely graphic. But she's trying to make her own for it. And she's still not speaking a single word of Italian. Nine months isn't long enough to learn it. Surrounded by Italians with a book. Ciao. Ciao. And phones, apparently.

Mm-hmm. And so she kills Mother Superior and then her water breaks. Oh my God. And she, as it happens, she goes, God damn it, she thought it was pretty funny. Then she's tiptoeing through the night and she finds the cardinal on a balcony and uses her rosary to strangle him, almost decapitates him with the rosary. She's just killing. She's out for blood. Yep. She's out for blood. She's just... She's killing. She's out for blood. Yep. She's out for blood.

She's going to do whatever fuck it takes to get out of here. And she runs down to Father Sal's lab and finds a jar of ethanol, like a flammable liquid, and is pouring it everywhere, has a lighter. Father Sal runs in at this moment, like hears her and runs in and is trying to stop her. And she's having contractions, she's screaming and... I mean, I don't think I've seen that before, a woman actively in labor while she's in her final girl moment. That's cool.

If I heard that in a pitch, I'd be like, fuck yeah, let's see how far this can go. Yeah, yeah, it is cool. And she is able to lock him in the lab. I think he lunges for her and slips or something and she's able to go out and lock the door behind her and she throws a lighter in and so lights on fire. Fuck yeah. She's thinking she's fucking did it and she's watching happily as the place goes up in flames and then we hear fire extinguisher.

Which really made me laugh because Modern times. It's modern times and of course there's a fire extinguisher in a lab. In a lab you would have to have a fire extinguisher. Yes, they would have a fire extinguisher in a lab. In a lab, you would have to have a fire extinguisher. Yes, they would have a fire extinguisher in there. So now he is like half burned, half of his face is burned off as he comes out.

He's so scary, but he's like, we're gonna get that baby whether you like it or not. And she runs into the catacombs. Not a lot, that's off limits. It's pretty scary sequence. It's like, it's so dark down there and she gets this flashlight that keeps dying and she keeps having to like hit it. And so it keeps getting like a moment of brightness and then back into darkness as she's going

down these corridors. And it's creepy. It's like a cave with bones in it. It's you know, an even scarier cave than normal. She sees Gwen's dead body down there. I was going to say, whatever fucking happened to Gwen? She's here. She's down here. And she's going through all the halls when she sees at the end of one of the halls a

small hole that leads to daylight. And so she's running towards that and crawling. It's tight. It's a tight squeeze and she is very pregnant. And so, you know, even tighter than normal. And as she's almost through, she is pulled backwards. No. Father Sal has caught up to her, drags her out of the hole, flips her over onto her back. She's screaming, trying to fight him off,

but he pins her down. It's like, you're making this so difficult. Like, this is happening. Me. Whether you like it or not. And he pulls out a scalpel and just starts cutting into her belly. Yeah, yeah, we knew it was coming.

That baby's gonna be fully formed. We don't need you. We just want this baby. We'll kill you. Shit. And we see in her pocket, she has the holy nail and she slowly pulls it out and stabs it through his neck, Frankenstein style. And kills him. And then, yeah.

I love that. She crawls out of that crawl space out into the countryside, but it's not within the premises. So it's outside of the gate. So that's good. No one's around. But then she goes into full labor. This is all done in a- Well, she's also, has she been cut open at all? Or he managed it? Yeah, it's pretty significant.

It's like a six inch, but he was like on the top of the belly. So it's like cut- Oh, imagine pushing while you're like also cut open. Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow. And she, this is all done in a close-up shot on Sydney Sweeney's face and she's just screaming and screaming and screaming and screaming and like grunting.

It's a really impressive performance. And there is a trailer, if you look up Holy Hell trailer immaculate, you can hear these screams. The whole trailer is just the screaming part. And it doesn't show it, but you just hear it. And then you hear something drop to the ground and you hear not real baby noises. It's like kind of pug noises. It's like, like almost like pig dog. She lifts up the umbilical cord, tears it with her teeth

and is looking down in horror at whatever this baby looks like. We don't know. We're not seeing, we don't see the baby. And she walks to the side, they're like on, she's on like a cliffside and finds this huge rock comes back. Uh huh. Kills the fucking baby. Smashes that baby. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And that's

the end of the movie. Oh my god. It was a demon baby. She needed to get rid of it. I'm glad she killed the baby. I did. I wrote that here. I'm like, I'm glad she killed the baby. She needed to kill the baby. She needed to. that was not a normal baby. That baby shouldn't be around. No. Whoa. Okay, man. I feel like for it to work as like a metaphor for forced birth that can't end with it being like, actually the baby's good and we wanna keep.

And now she loves being a mother. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. So definitely some unique things in there. Yeah. Definitely some tired things in there. So it's, it's a mix. It's a little, you get a little bit of both. Little bit of a little something for everybody.

Something for everybody. Henley, how you feeling? Are you happy that you asked? I feel totally fine. Honestly, there's something, there's something to me. And now it's like kids and pre-teens, I feel more sensitive about than even like babies. Okay, we've moved on from babies. Yeah, you know what I mean?

I do. I'm like babies, it's like. Been there, done that. Been there, done that. Henley. What about when they grow up? When you feel fully ready, I had an idea the other day that you're not gonna like, but the patrons might like this. Whenever you give me the okay I want to do one of the

patron shows and episode polls of like Henley says it's okay now and in that poll is gonna be anti-christ, mother, okay it's time. She said it's fine now. I did not. No no no I'm not saying it has to be She said it's fine now. She said it's fine. I did not. No, no, no. I did not. I'm not saying it has to be now, but when you're ready. But it has to be someday. It has to be sometime.

And we'll only have to do one of them. I mean, that's the nature of the poll is one wins. But I think it's, there's a lot. Because Haley says it's okay now. There's a lot that I. I'm not strong enough yet. I'm not strong enough yet. That's okay.

But one someday you will be, you must yet. I'm not strong enough yet. That's okay. We'll wait. But one someday you will be, you must be. Mm-hmm. Oh, I've heard so much about Mother. I feel like I know also Antichrist general's outlines. I've heard nothing. So whenever you're ready, Henley, I'm ready. I feel like Evan Sinclair did tell us a little bit about Mother when he did his episode.

I blacked out from that episode. I don't know. So I heard her. We should have Evan back on if we do Mother. He should be a guest and he can tell us about it. Yeah. He famously, when he was a new dad, only accidentally watched movies where babies and children die. He was like, I can't watch that stuff. I'll try this one. Yeah. Surely. Yeah, that's like, I can't watch that stuff. I'll try this one. Yeah. Surely this one will have it. Um, okay. Fine. I'm glad. I'm glad we, I'm glad we know what it is. I'm glad you made it, Hen. I'm glad Sydney Sweeney is making interesting choices and I'm glad that

someday, sooner than later, at least the three of us will be talking about anyone but you. Yes. That one I'm ready for, that one I'm ready for. That one I'm ready for. That will happen. Yes. Put that one on the poll. Put that one on the poll and let's see if it wins. Let's just see if it wins.

Let's just see. Let's leave it up to fate. Obviously. Meritocracy. Out of our hands. And I do want to do the first Omen too eventually. That's the other new release out right now. Look out there.

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