Too Scary; Didn't Watch - THE CONJURING: LAST RITES with Betsy Sodaro

Episode Date: September 10, 2025

Dr. Sodaro is in the house and she's about to use her PhD in Conjuring to tell us everything we need to know about Ed and Lorraine's final sojourn into darkness and damnation!!!!!!!! Blessed doesn't even begin to describe how we're feeling <3Video episodes available on our Patreon!Movie & Guest Intro @ 15:25Trivia @ 27:06Recap starts @ 42:49TrailerFollow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram.Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content!Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy.Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fm.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a headgum podcast. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those Too Scared to Watch for themselves. I'm Emily, and I am Too Scared to Watch scary movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy and I love watching scary movies and so I watch them so that you don't have to. And we are in the final month of Hellchella, two hell too chella.

Time. Time does come for us all. Oh, it's devastating. You're truly devastating. But we are making the freaking most of this last month and I think you guys are going to be really excited about this episode. Oh my God. I do feel like Hell Chella this year just gets better and better every week. Better and better every week.

You know what I mean? It's just every week. It's better and better. But before we get into it, there are timesstamps in the show notes if you want to jump around in the episode. But we have a little bit of haunted housekeeping to do, which is first just to remind you that all Hellchella episodes are available as video episodes on our Patreon at patreon.com slash TSDW podcast. And at that very same website, URL. You can also find our weekly discussions about the FX slash Hulu show Alien Earth that we are just having the freaking best time. We're all three watching it.

We're all being brave. Yeah. Love it. Really, really fun. And also, we recently got to talk to two of the stars in it, Samuel Blanken and Alex Lothar, a.k.a. Boy Cavalier, ever. Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God. Sorry. Okay. There are character names tournament and Boy Cavalier, but in our hearts, the sweet cuties. The sweetie cuties. They are such sweetie cuties. I'll say it till the end of time. And that interview is available on our YouTube for everybody.

So go check that out. But that's all my housekeeping, I believe, for today, for this fine, beautiful day. So Emily Henley, could you tell me if anything scary happened to either of you this week? And it better have. You better both have. An answer for my god, wait, I do want to talk to you guys about my yurt experience. Did we talk about this yet? Yeah, you got to tell it. Henley stayed in a yurt, which looked lovely. It was a gorgeous yurt. Small children on like to a mountain's edge. So this was Tim's idea.

He booked us a, he booked us a yurt. Such a generous thing to do. And we drove about two hours into central Connecticut into an area called Litchfield, which I was previously unfamiliar with. It's quite literally the area that inspired Gilmore Girls. Amy Sherman Paladino spent like a weekend there and was so cutesy cutesy, like inspired to write the Gilmore Girls. I guess I was I was confused about what a yurt was in general because as I Google Yurt, they are all lovely. Yes. They have become a bit of like luxury camping. It's a glamping. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, these, yeah, these look incredible. And the one, the photo you sent looked incredible. It was great. And so we went and we stayed at a farm, a working

farm that was like 45 acres and, you know, it's part farm, part Airbnb experience. So there's the yurt and then they have like a couple guest houses on it too. And they have various crops, big vegetable garden and then goats and chickens and cows and horses. And horses. I like horses. And May was, like, so excited about the animals. You went every single morning, and she woke up. She was like, hoss, hoss, hoss. She wanted to go see the horses. That's all she wanted to do. She just wanted to put her hand out and let them, sniff her hand. A future horse girl. She's such a horse girl. She's so horse girl. Can't wait for her big long ponytail. I know, I know. She was so, she was so, so happy. And the thing, okay, so, I was a little worried about being,

a little scared being in the yurt in the middle you know in the middle of the night even though it's a pretty we weren't exactly alone but we were out there in the wilderness exposed and after just talking to west I'm you know constantly thinking about potential for animal attacks even though his whole message is like they're not going to just attack you out of the blue nonetheless you still get worried um so there was in the middle of the night there were a couple moments where something like hit the yurt I don't know what it was like it could just be a large insect could just be a bird whatever but just the birds flying right into the earth all night no big deal it's not scary that's not weird that was scary enough but let me tell you okay so the thing that was the thing that was not was not actually the animals

wasn't the wildlife wasn't a camping with two small children the scariest thing was that there was a book on homesteading in that year and who picked up that book and read it front to back Tim No. Who left that trip radicalized, convinced. Oh, no. Zillowing properties in Vermont, like where we can move and soil conditions in northeast seaboard, you know, water drainage. So this year it is like a clip plant. This year it is like, they're like, come stay in the yard and I don't know if you're bored, there's a book. Here's a book. Read it from a book.

Oh, did I leave the book in there? Oh, I guess. Huh, you might as well read it. It's a most beautiful photo. It's most beautiful photos. most beautiful photos of homesteading you've ever seen in your life. It's exactly what it's like. It's so gorgeous and pristine and curated. Owned by Republicans. Exactly. This is like trying. This is a plant for, yeah, Peter Thiel just being like, we're going to, we're going to get them.

We're going to get them all soon. It's all about like you don't need birth control. Yeah, you don't have birth control. Natural cycles. No more than seeing. So the scariest thing was that Tim like, Tim like literally, and I'm not even kidding. he bought another book called Easy Seven First Steps to Homesteading. Easy seven first steps.

Yeah. It's a bad title. It's bad copywriting and I don't. I think that's kidding. I got no respect. Easy seven. The classic easy seven. I don't like this at all, Henley.

I do not like this. So I made the mistake of telling him because I do have this feeling in my bones. You know I've talked about it before. All of us have that feeling Henley that the world is going to end and we need to learn how to farm. Of course. Like the only way I can imagine my future is on a farm. Like I'm like, that's it. If I've made it out, it means I'm on a farm. Otherwise, kaput. I'm dead. But I don't know if I really mean it. And I don't know if I'm really ready to do that. Tim was like, we should start baking bread. And I was like, I don't even want to fucking make a

sourdough starter. I don't even want to do that. No, but here's so much work. Here's the thing. Community will save us all. Joel already knows how to bake bread. You know? Like, This is not about retreating from society on your own. This is about forming an enclave with the, I'll make the clothes. Joel makes the bread. Emily's going to see my clothes. Henley teaches the children. Sammy tells a scary story.

What is the way to do? What am I going to do? What am I going to do? Sammy teaches editing. I'm a healthy little dose of beer. Teach it and keep it alive in the post-apocalyptic world. Tim will keep our faith. Dunkin will make us peanut butter.

We've got it all covered. Jenna will raise birds to be our mail carriers. Hello. Tim just walked in. I was just talking about you. I was saying that my scary thing for the week was that the year radicalized you and turned you into homesteader. No, Tim, no.

He left the room, everyone. But he didn't, he didn't deny it. He did not deny it. Let it be known. Anyways, that was my scary thing. So I will send you guys the Zillow listings as they come in. We're doing this as a part of a community. I'm so telling you.

We're not doing it alone. Great. Great, great, great. What about you guys? How's your week? Well, speaking of vaccines, birth control, et cetera. This week I did finally, this is not scary. This is good.

I did finally get my IUD replaced. Yeah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. But you guys, it is not fun. It is. No. It's not fun.

And I knew it wasn't going to be fun. because I've done it before but I was like it's fine it's worth it just get it and now that is true it's fine it's worth it just get it over just do it but you guys

God it's not fun and and I just all week I've just been like astounded astounded yet again by women slash anyone with a uterus because boy oh boy it's not easy

and like I had I had there were four people in the room with me which is not common I don't think but it was fine. But, and I, so I, I was in a room with four strangers up on the inside of my body, causing me pain. And then I was like, well, off to work.

And I just, you know, and you just live a normal day. And that's just, that's just how it is. I will say they did offer me, which I was very grateful for, um, lytocaine this time, which was not offered me the first time I did this eight years ago. They were going to give me, which I thought was pretty cool. Um, a tampon soaked in lydicane and, and you just like put it in and wait like, five minutes they didn't have any tampons so she just went up there and swabbed me he just went up there um but so i was sort of like oh well this is gonna be i don't even gonna feel shit like this

gonna be totally fine no no no it's still it's still really it really did hurt you guys it it sucks which is not to deter anybody who's like looking to do it i do think it's worth it to then like not have to worry about birth control for eight years depending on what method you take especially in this world where, like, our options, especially depending on where you live, are not going to be available to many people. Get that birth control handled. But it's really honestly just like a very specific and bad kind of pain. And then I've just been feeling like I've just had like bad period cramps for a few days since.

And I got to say, I have had a very lucky life of not ever really having bad period cramps, particularly since being an IUD. I like don't get my period at all. And the fact that, again, there are people, many people, half the population, more than half the population, who just has to deal with, like, regularly being in pain and going about their lives, it's a goddamn fucking miracle. Like, it is so, it's so uncomfortable to just be, like, feeling even a low-grade pain for days on end and just having to be like, well, I'm just going to keep doing my life. Right. Because you don't have any other choice. It's, oh, it sucks.

It's truly crazy. It's just so crazy the way that we treat women in this world. Not that I didn't know it, but it's, it is wild at 34 to be like, man, this really is crazy. As if I didn't know it before. But anyway, scary times, get your birth control. It's hard. It's hard out there. It is.

And speaking of it being hard out there, it's also very hot in. It's very hot. Los Angeles right now and probably some other places too but my air conditioning in my car does not work and my car is black and I don't have a covered parking spot

so it just bakes in the sun until I'm ready to go anywhere and do you still not have a sun shield on your I do it doesn't do anything shit yeah you need it for the whole freaking car I was going to say I need like a car cover which someone on my street does have just like a whole big just put it like a shower cap for the whole car.

It just occurred to me that that is what I always like, why are you like, I think it's like protecting your car from the elements maybe, but like, yeah, it would actually keep your car from getting hot. I mean, I don't know. I'm willing to try, but also I really just need to get like a new AC. It's not coolant. I've tried coolant. The coolant is up to date.

I need something else. But it's so bad that I like can't do anything from the hours of like 11 to 4. otherwise you're like in a sauna you're in a sauna and it's like to the point where I get nauseous if I have to be in there for like too long I'm like I'm going to pass out like this is dangerous really bad place to pass out. I also like didn't think about it and had a had to take my cat to the vet and I like was like this is like animal cruelty luckily my vet is like four minutes away so it was really quick but I was like I can't do this again and I mean the scary thing, I guess, is I'm like doing it to myself in a sense of like I have not gotten my car

fixed. But it's just so awful. It's very annoying to get your car fix. It's very fucking annoying. Especially because that might be something that's really expensive to fix. And then it's like, then it starts the whole thing of like, do I just get a new car? Because how long have you had that car? I've had it for 10 years, but I only have 60,000 miles on it and I would prefer to keep it for another 10 years for for free it's paid off so I'll pay I'll pay a reasonable somewhat hefty some to fix the AC because other than that's a good little car a little Honda fit if anybody's wondering and yeah I work from home and so I don't actually drive it very much and so that's also part of why I keep putting it off and putting it off because I'm like I kind of only remember

when I need to do something and I'm like oh fuck that's right like yeah A horrible hellhole in here and I'm like endangering myself and people around me if I pass out. But anyways, I guess similar to your IUD that you like announced it to the world of like, I need to do this. It does help. That that's now what I am doing. And I hope to have an update soon. Let's use this space to hold ourselves and others accountable. That's what I think this is for.

Otherwise, I'm just picturing you in your car with, like, glasses of cold water around you. I've done that. Cup of ice. You can pour water on your head. You can hold ice water in between your legs. It does help in a pinch. Yeah. So I, now that I have told all of you and all of you listeners, we'll be checking in.

We'll be checking in. I'm publicly shaming myself into improving. proving my situation. It's shameful what you've done. I'm deeply ashamed. Oh, man. And to distract myself from that deep, deep shame. Shall we talk about this week's movie?

We should. Please, please. This week, we are going to be talking about the conjuring last rights in theaters now, directed by Michael Chavez, written by Ian Goldberg, Richard Nang, and David Leslie Johnson Magoldrick starring Vera Farminga, Patrick Wilson, Elliot Cohen, Ben Hardy, Bo Gadsden, John Brotherton,

and Mia Tomlinson. And you guys basically all individually requested this guest for this episode. And we, of course, had her in mind because she's our conjuring expert, our correspondent Betsy Sedaro she's back

I'm so excited to be back and talking conjuring truly when I saw it's coming out I like hit up Emily being like hey we gotta we gotta do this I think people would have rioted in the streets if we didn't have view on

and this is going to be a bit of an interesting way of doing this episode because none of us have seen it as of this moment. We haven't seen it yet. Wouldn't that be funny if you're going to do the whole episode that way?

We're just going to guess. Kind of guessing of like and then I bet like a dude. I know the conjuring so well I can do it without you going to tell you what's going. So we're going to do this a little part one and part two situation.

I mean the episode as you're listening to it will just be one one episode. Don't worry. Don't worry. Don't go anywhere. But we are going to do a little chat now. pause step away from each other literally go see the movie go see the movie today come back

and come back and recap it so because it was like an absolute necessity that we have betsy do this movie because again i actually like started to get worried people would have been like really mad at us like i was like i think we would have been really upset with us if we hadn't been able to make this work and look we we obviously we get it and we want this to where we'll do anything So this is what we're doing And I'm actually quite excited I think it will prove An interesting experiment

Yeah right And who's going to be seeing this movie Emily That's a great question Sammy And the answer is me Emily I'm so brave I am going this afternoon With Betsy

And friends to see this movie Look I don't really know why I do this I did see the devil Made me do it Yeah And so we'll see how I can, we'll see how I, how I fare. It's not as short a movie as I wanted it to be.

Oh, no. How long is it? As a matter of fact, it's the longest in the franchise. Oh, thank God. It's 2.15. You guys. Come on. Come on.

It better not be just, what's his name, playing the guitar for a bunch of it. Oh, my God. There's a fucking guitar. I will lose it. I will lose my mind if he sings. I bet he does. I bet he does. I bet he does.

Well, this is also, okay, wait, we're getting into a movie. But before we do, we're getting into our ourselves. Betsy did anything scary happen to you this week? This week, anything scary? No, I did watch Ringgoo. Oh, for the first time. What is that? I have also never seen it.

It's what the ring is based on. Oh, ooh, okay. I wasn't as scared as I hoped Oh Interesting Okay Okay Okay okay

Wasn't as I hoped I was kind of like Because people say it's like Oh the ring doesn't even compare Like ring who's way scary than that Yes But I wonder if you've seen the ring It's gonna take away from the scariness

Right Yeah Right Because you already kind of know what it's happening And I gotta say the American Slash I guess Australian because a bunch of the actors are Australian version like they they go bigger it goes bigger right right yeah sure this type of thing where people like to say that it's scary or like you have to see

the original it's scarier but maybe that's just a thing people like to say maybe 20 years ago I don't know like something about we've been desensitized yeah and I do think after probably having seen the ring first probably does yeah make a make a difference yeah yeah experience. Yeah. But I still want to see it. Yes. It feels like a like still required viewing for a horror fan.

It's on shutter right now. So check you out. Yeah, that's kind of the only. What else happened? What happened this week? Oh, my God. I know. I never know.

I never know what has ever happened. Nothing too spooky. I had a dream last night where I had a scary dream last night. Oh, my God. Mine's pretty dorky, not scared. I had a dream that I was watching Killer Clowns from Outer Space which is one of my favorite movies of all time

and I was watching a VHS version of it but in this version there was a monkey like on roller skates and stuff and I remember just like stopping it and being like oh my God how did I not know there was a monkey in this movie that I watched all the time?

Oh my God! And I like went to friends being like there's a monkey and they're like yeah we know it's like a big part of the movie i was like no that's never been in the movie before this is the type of dream that makes me like confused when i wake up and like could stick in my brain as the real memory and then next time you watch it you'd be like wait where's that monkey with the rollerblades well it's also dreams like that i am also like what is your brain working on in that dream yeah that like that part of the experience of that dream is like you being like how how did I not know that and then talking

people and then being like I knew it like what is you know like what's what's Betsy's brain like what is that plugging into right right yeah where it is like is there a deep seated fear of like now I just solve it of like is there a deep seated

fear of like my well known deep seated fear gone oh my God that's what it is yeah Yeah, it's, yeah. Weird. It's really intense how in dreams you can feel.

I've felt so many emotions that I've never felt awake. Yeah. Like, true, true fear. Yes. You're like fully unfiltered. Yes. Like crazy like euphoria, you know, where it's just like, I've never felt this in real life. Right. But I have in my dreams. It's so weird, dude. I find that to be so cathartic. I feel like that's why I love it when I can remember a dream or I have a really intense dream because I wake up, even if I wake up and I have been sobbing before. Like I was going to say, I feel like because of antidepressants, I like don't cry in real life anymore, which I kind of miss. I kind of miss. I've talked to in therapy. I'm like, I can't I can't cry anymore. And like that seems like kind of good, but also like I used to love a good cry.

But yeah, now it's in my dreams. Now I'll have dreams where I have cried in my dreams, yeah. Sobbing, yeah. Do you guys have dreams? Okay, sorry, not to just make this dream talk, but I do, do guys have dreams? Look, there's time stamps in the show, no, people can, it might be, people can skip this freaking dream talk if they don't like it. Yeah. Do you guys have dreams where you, like, discover places?

Okay, Henley, this happened in real life to us recently. We just, A, yes, B. what happened? Wait, what happened? You're talking like inception style? You guys went into Jenna's dream. Jenna has this dream all the time that she discovers new rooms in her house. And it's like bigger than she thought. And it's like, oh my God, I've never seen this room before. We recently went to Palm Springs to the Parker Hotel and have mostly all been there before and just discovered like multiple. new parts of it that we had I think like seen before but thought we're off limits they're not off limits they're just

magical rooms filled with additional pools or like dance force it was it was um triumphant it was really one of the most special experiences of my life discovering a new and I kept saying this is like the dreams this is like those dreams you're like we're living Jenna's dream we're living Jenna's dream

that's so cool see it's possible in real life wow that's awesome isn't it crazy that like your brain never goes to sleep is that can that be true does your brain never rest i don't know well it's well i mean it's resting in like rem cycle and that's that's version of rest but you're right in terms it doesn't like shut off yeah like it's wild that you're like asleep right you're you are asleep but your brain's like well i'm just gonna i'm just gonna like have some fun yeah i'm just gonna play a little show i'm gonna make some stuff up who happens i don't know

plink around you've had some thoughts i could probably make a story out of that and just kind like do a little, do a little thing. Like, I'm just going to have some fun. I'm going to play a little show for her. See what she thinks. That's what I, so that's, that's why I wish I'd dream more is because my favorite dreams are when I, like, I have kind of a recurring dream of like being on a boat and literally discovering like a new land, like a new entire land. And it's like, all the colors are like orange and pink and yellow. The water's orange. The boat's like red. And like, it's like, it's like, really intense and it always makes me feel like whoa like that's it's like awe inspiring and then go to bed and got to wait another like four years for another dream like that oh yeah do it again

brain give me that dream again you might be the only person i've ever heard describe a recurring dream as being like awe inspiring like i've only ever heard of like recurring bad yes yeah like like you bite into an ice cream cone and all of your teeth come out into the ice cream Yes. Or you're driving a car and the brakes do not work. Yeah. That's what you're not. Or you're fleeing from burning building after burning building.

Every building you enter is like, oh, I actually have to escape this. And oh, actually have to escape this. No, my one that's recurring, that's annoying, that's not super scary, but just fucking annoying is I'm trying to leave the house and I can't. It's like I'm trying to leave the house and I like fucking can. Like either I can't move or I can't get the things together in the way I need to get together. Like trying to read something and you just cannot read. beat it like yeah oh that's a that's the new one the the new stress stream in town is like typing

or texting and it just isn't doing isn't writing what you're trying to say you've had that one but i've had one recently like that what do you mean the new stress stream well because like texting is like in all of our brains now i didn't used to have that one just is like how it takes your brain a while to catch up to like a new haircut. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You guys know that? Yeah, where you are?

It's like, oh, yeah. It's me. It's me. It's me. I have looked like that for months. Okay, okay. Okay, okay. Whoa.

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Okay. I wouldn't actually look up what the devil made me do it was because... That was pretty stinky. That one was pretty stinky. That one was pretty stinker. Dude.

Wow, you guys, it's exactly the same. But hey, don't worry. This one's longer. Don't worry. They've got more time to make it bad. What's the audience score, though? Because I feel like last time I looked it up, the audience score was like,

we love it. But maybe I'm wrong. Great question. This one's for the fans, not the critics. Okay, yeah. Devil made me do it. Audience score is 83. Wow. Okay, well, not my score, not my score.

Okay, and this one, audience score 79. Okay, okay, all right. It's a little bit lower than Devon made me do a little bit lower than the other. Okay. Okay. Yep, we're getting jazzed. We are getting jazzed. Uh, 54 on Metacritic, 6.5 on IMDB.

Okay. So 50%. Yeah. Budget was 55 million. And so far it's made 83 million. You guys, this is the third biggest horror opening of all time. Oh, wow. Really?

Isn't that shocking? People don't even like it. Yeah. Yes, we're recording this opening weekend. And so 83 million is its three-day total. And the other number one and number two were It Chapter 1 and It Chapter 2. Holy shit. Hell yeah.

Wow. Okay. Okay. I mean, it's a beloved franchise. But it's good. It's making a lot of money. People love horror movies. Fierre and Patrick deserve it.

Yes. People love horror movies. So let's keep making them. They love them even if they're bad, even if they're long. Yep. You can't lose. Also, I know Annabel is obviously like in the conjuring universe. Animal's not in this movie, right?

Time will tell. She sometimes makes little cameos. It's a whole, yeah, universe because there is a big Annabelle situation. Right. So in the news. There's obviously this, like, paranormal investigator who died with the Annabelle doll in Connecticut. Let me remind you that happened. Right. Yes.

Nearby. And I just, like, Googled it. And two days ago, the coroner released the cause of death. And the cause is Annabel? Cause is a heart attack, which to me says Annabel. But part of me is also like, is this in conjunction with the fucking release of the conjuring that, like, the coroner released the death, like the autopsy results? The coroner's been paid off. Right, literally the same day the movie came out.

Yeah, this man died for press for The Conjuring. I mean, at this point, I wouldn't put anything past him. Well, okay, this does. Are we going to include this in trivia, Sammy, the video that was sent to us this week? Yes, let's talk about this. Which I haven't watched because I'm actually, I'm actually scared. I don't know what's that video? It's so there is a community of TikTok witches that are spreading the message not

to see this movie in theaters. Hold on. I have it written down here because, first of all, at the top, it says for legal purposes, this is alleged. Then it says there's an actual harmful entity in this movie that will attach on to you if you go see the movie in theaters. Do not go visit Annabelle while Matt Rife is her owner. You're at risk of her trying to feed off of you. Wow. You're spelled the Eddington way. Yeah, you're at risk. So we're going to also be following up to see if you guys can't haunted. But I mean, a lot of people are, this is the, okay, so this is like the theory behind what's that fucking, uh, Robert the doll. Wait, what? No, but who's Robert? Another haunted doll who's in like Florida.

Oh, shit. Oh, God, no. That horror movie we watched for like. Oh, where they show everything at the YouTube video at the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah, where it's like, you want, we actually want, if this is true, For you and me, Betsy, we want a lot of people to see this movie. Because we want this demon to attach to as many people.

We're going to dilute the demon. What was that one? Truth or Dare. Truth or Dare. And there's another one that, yeah, we've seen two. Oh, true, true. There was another one that ended like exactly like truth or dare. What was that one? But I, okay, so I saw this video.

I didn't see this video. I read the caption below it and didn't press play. But my first thought does go to this being publicity of just being like, like, don't see it. Whatever you do, don't see them. It's too scary. Too spooky. You're going to get haunted. Don't see it. Which is like, okay, well, obviously that's going to make everybody want to see it. Right. So, I don't know. I don't know. I kind of feel like this could be good messaging, actually, for the Democrats. They should come out with dilute the demon. I feel like

that there's some power behind that messaging. Dilute the demon. Dylute the demon. Dems dilute the demon. If they're like looking for a new angle, that could work. hope to God they're looking for a new angle. Really fucking hope. They better be looking for a new angle because this is bad. The current angle ain't doing it. And it feels like any time somebody wants to look at a different angle, they're like, no, but what about a high angle?

I like the angle we have. They're like, I'm making so much money off my stock trades. But let me keep making my money. Ew. It really is so funny, though. There's something like also really kind of nostalgic about people coming out and being like, don't watch the demon movie. The demon is really in, for real this time, this time, demon really is in the movie, though, for real.

It really does feel 80 style. Like, where it's just like. This movie that was filmed like on a Warner Brothers lot that was just like, you know, this is actually satanic shit. corporate-ass franchise filmmaking is really going to fuck you up. We'll see. Emily, oh, man. I know.

At least we're in it together. Yeah, we're in it together. I remembered the other movie that ended that way. And spoilers for movies that you're not going to know if you want spoiler or not by the time. I say the title, Smile 2. Right. Oh, right. Also, yeah.

We've covered all those movies. So I feel like once we've covered a movie, we're allowed to say it's spoilers till that forever. It's game on. That's the rule. I just decided it. That's a good rule. It's a great rule. This is apparently the last movie with Ed and Lorraine.

So you'll have to really savor those two hours and 15 minutes. That's a fun asterisk because I thought it was the last conjure movie, but that is a fun way of them being like, well, we can still make. Oh, yeah. We're not going to turn out this moneymaker. We're not going to shut that off. We got the none. We got Annabelle. This is goodbye to the Warren's.

Got it. Goodbye the Warrens. And I just wrote down because it. made me laugh. All the Conjury movies are based on, like, a quote-unquote real case that Ed and Lorraine Warren investigated. And this family that was investigated, they're called the Smurl family. I just saw that.

Like an article popped up on my phone or something. And I was like, the Smurls, how do you spell that? It's like Smurf with an L instead of an F. Oh, smurl. That's a funny way to spell it. I know. Not even an EA. S-M-U-R-R-R-R.

Smer. Smerl. Smurl. Smurl. Okay. Smurl. Rolls off the top. They rolled up to Elis Island. They're like, you've got to change your name. It has too many letters.

And they're just like, uh. Take out all the balls. Mirl? That's good. Leave one in there. Smurl. Smurl. We're making a nice smurl name.

Smurl. Smurl. Wow. Well, I can't wait for you. guys to see this movie but before you do let's watch this trailer don't touch anything everything you see in here is either haunted cursed or been used in some sort of ritualistic practice nothing's a toy not even the toys How many cases you guys had?

Cases? My name is Ed Warren, here with my wife Lorraine. Maybe a thousand. Every case is different. Every family's different. Once we start, there's no going back. Once we start, there's no going back. Man, man, man!

Anything can happen. We found some of the police bear, spare. We cast us! I won't open! By the power of arms, Jesus, Jesus Christ! I've been waiting so patiently for you. I actually, I actually am excited to see it. We're going to get some wine at the Americana wine bar.

I love Americana. Before we see it, I have previously sworn off seeing movies of the American. kind of because they are just full of children. Filled with teenagers, yeah. But for a horror movie, I actually am like, I'm okay with the vibe being like crazy teens screaming at this. Like, I'm like, that's actually fun. Yes.

So teens, if you're there, fine. Fine. But, wow, I'm going to get spooked. I know I am. A very small comment, but I was just thinking this as we were watching the trailer, it's not spoilery, but The Conjuring really got that font right. You know what? Absolutely nailed that far.

And being yellow, it's been yellow the whole time. That was like even in the first movie, that like yellow title. Yes. You cannot fault this franchise for their aesthetics. The movies may sometimes be bad. The vibe is always good. Spot on. They're shot like,

flawless. Cool, like 70s horror movies, you know, with like big long zooms or like slow. It's awesome. Said it once. We'll say it again. The high collar. The high collar.

Vera's collars. I also just want to know how they're going to end Ed and Lorraine's story. I think I'm like curious just from a plot perspective. Yeah. We'll tell you. What's going to happen to that? I did also hear that they're like they weren't happy about this one being made. And I did not do any further research into this.

The actual warring now that I should have. But yeah, the actual war. I guess, like, were... Are they... How old are there? They must be old as hell. They're dead? Okay, well, maybe it was their state

or something. Yeah. The warrens... But I want to say, like, one was still alive only, like, pretty recently. Maybe Lorraine. Oh, they didn't die in each other's arms?

No, I don't think so. Maybe they will in this movie. We don't know. Yeah, maybe. Okay, yeah, on a quick Google, I'm not seeing any information about the ones. You know, maybe I dreamt it. Maybe it was one of those dreams that...

Maybe you dreamt. That weren't... it's way into like just feeling like a real memory. Yeah. Freaky. But we are going to pause here for part one of this recording and we will be back with the recap for all of you. So if you're listening, it's happening just right now. Just stay here. And it starts right now. And it starts right now. There are plenty of things that I'm good at. I'm good at talking about horror movies. I'm good

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as was required. Betsy and I saw it. I'm just going to go ahead and say I was not scared. Not scared at all. I really wasn't like there were some good scares and obviously we'll tell you but like once again I was sort of like I wasn't scared enough.

Yeah. And I don't think that's me. I actually don't think this one was that scary because as we've discussed, the devil made me do it is a bad movie and I did get legitimately scared during the devil made me do it. Right. Betsy, did you get scared I did. I screamed and jumped a couple of times. I did. I got jump scared. Yeah. I like screamed. I definitely

screamed. But I didn't get like like like that dread like that like that feeling of like oh got a got a got a got a got I can't look. They were the kind of jump scares that you were just like, you know? It was like. Were you in a theater with a bunch of teens? Was it like very vocal? Was it a vocal audience? It was vocal. But it wasn't a bunch of annoying teens. So. So that was good. We saw it in IMAX. And I always forget how intense the sound. is in iMacs because there were multiple times where i thought like the audience was like whispering but then i was like oh no this is the movie like it's like right behind you and like where i was like whoa is the audience cheering and i was like oh no i think it's the movie i was there were multiple times where i was just like whoa dude this audience is nuts and i was like oh no it's just the movie in iMacs was it one of those movies and maybe this is just always the case in LA, where in the beginning before the movie, they do like an audio brought by. And then it's just like, dong, dong, dong, dong, dong. And it like does like a 360. I haven't seen that in a long time,

Henley. I know what you're talking about. But yeah, but I used to love when they did that. But they, I haven't seen that in a long time. No, they just do the IMAX thing that's like, oh, it's been many, many moons since I've seen. In my heart, I was like, that's in Los Angeles. That's a thing in Los Angeles. That's sad to me. They're not doing it even in L.A. I'm sorry. Maybe somewhere, but they're not, they weren't doing it. that I'm actually not no um but okay you know what we're going to get into this movie let's do it asterisk is that we of course as you all all well know just saw this yesterday um and it just came out and so we've got our notes based on the internet and and our memories

and um we're gonna you and um we're gonna try to take you through it let's do it i'm pumped get ready okay what if what if emily and i had popped up on this zoom though and we all we had like white streaks in our hair. And we were like, laugh a bunch of ways. It was just like, it's such a scary movie. But he really got us. I really was.

Yeah, I was worried about you guys. Because it was also the blood moon. It was also. It was. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Okay.

I forgot what I was going to say. So let's just get into the movie. Let's do it. Great. Let's do it. Okay. We begin in the year 1962. Ooh.

A young Ed and Lorette. I just want to take a moment to say the person they cast as young Ed Warren looks exactly like Patrick Wilson and it was crazy. It was freaky. To the point right first I was like, ew, weird CTI.

I thought they did it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, he looks just like him. It was so nuts. Uncanny. So we've got a young Ed and Lorraine. Lorraine is very pregnant. Yeah, they really make sure to show you that.

Yeah, she's touching her belly a lot, as pregnant women do. They do. They're guilty of it. And they're talking. talking to a woman who she's in her family's antique shop and she's explained to them that this place is haunted by something and that she believes whatever is here drove her father to hang himself. Yeah. And we get a little visual of a, you know, him hanging in the store.

Yes. It's spooky. It's an old antique shop at night. Nasty. Antique shops aren't open. They're not open at night. No, but they're visiting. Yeah. They came not during store hours. Correct. Because she's like, yeah, I'm pretty sure this place is really haunted, but hey, I got to make some money. It's my business. It's my business selling weird shit that killed my dad. Come on.

Lorraine goes into the like back store room and is wandering around. Ed's like, are you sure you're gonna go? She's like, yes, I can go. Yeah, Ed's like, are you sure? She's like, yeah, I can and like,

robs her tummy. She's walking around, sensing things as she just got a rosary in her hand, you know, and she comes up to a there's a big tall object in a corner with a big nasty sheet over it. Rose.

grabs it, pulls the sheet down. It's a big old mirror. Huge mirror with, like, carving of, like, three baby heads. Ew. Ew. Stop it. And she was walking up to it. It's, like, there's definitely something bad about this mirror.

She's like, oh, yeah. And she, like, can, like, yeah, she's just like, I got it, tough shit. There's, like, one point where we see, like, his hanging legs kind of behind her. Oh, behind her, yeah, like, she's not seeing it. But, yeah. You know, and she's like, something's up. She's feeling it.

Feeling it. That is really creepy. We just see, like, dangly feet. Like, someone's hanging from the ceiling behind her. She's walking up to the mirror, and she's putting her hand out. And she very slowly puts and touches the glass. And right where she touches it, it cracks. Boom.

And then she's getting visions. And there's this nasty, like, hag lady that she's seeing. And she's also, like, flashing to, like, a baby. Ew. And it's like, all this. A hag and a baby. A hag and a baby. A hag and a baby.

A hag and a baby. baby. The two stages of womanhood. Exactly. You go from baby to hag and there's nothing in the train. I'm like on my way to hag for sure. Well, there's no on the way Betsy. We're all hags.

We're all hags. We're all hags. We're all hags here. And she collapses and she screams for Ed and something's wrong with the baby. She's like all of a sudden like, the baby, the baby. dude smash cut we're we're wheeling her she's in the hospital they're rushing her down to go into labor and because it's the 60s ed can't come in so they like bring her into a room ed stays out he's like trying to come in there like no no no smoking a cigar in the waiting room yeah with all the other

doctors are smoking cigarettes and like everybody's like pulling the baby out by the feet smoking a cigarette yeah nobody cares they're giving Lorraine a bunch of cigarettes and scotch yeah stop in my mouth you um and they're rushing into labor and there's a storm outside so it's just thundering storming they rush into the room they're they're you know put you gotta push you got to push she's like give me another secret yes the lights go out the lights go out and they're all like oh it's obviously the storm but lorraine starts sensing something oh you don't want a demon thing happening this ain't entirely wet they're related and so lorraine is she's there like telling her she has to push she's like looking up to the dark corner of the room like the see ceiling corner of the room and we just see little finger haggy hands little finkies older young creep and old as hell old as hell feeling like kind of thick yeah knobby nasty nats like gray skin crawling like reaching around to like climb onto the ceiling out of the dark corner and the rain is like no no you can't have a baby you can't have a baby and she's screams for ed and ed does come in

And they're busting and they're like, you're not, well, all right, you can be here. Yes. We can tell the doctors are kind of looking at each other like the baby's not doing well. Right. And at one point the doctor just said like the cord is wrapped around the baby's neck. They managed to cut the cord and like, okay, you have to push. Yep. She pushes, adds by her side.

Baby's born. No sound out of this baby. Quiet. Taken by the demon. Very quiet. The six-fingered demon woman. very quiet and like

it was so intense so a nurse like takes baby away but then like Lorraine was like give me my baby it's devastating because like

she's not breathing it's yeah and Lorraine knows because yes everybody's like oh but she's like give me my baby which is like that's so heartbreaking

she's like give me my baby and is holding this little baby and she and Ed are like crying and praying to God as like the creepy doctor and nurses are just kind of watching being like

what do we do? What should we do? Should we stop them? Let's just keep let him go. But then Jesus brought the baby back to life. Jesus brought the power of Christ gets that baby going. It's just like 101 Dalmatians remember that scene. They were rubbing it with a little napkin like they do in a hundred and one.

I just saw video of a lady giving CPL. to a raccoon who ate a bunch of fermented peaches and passed out. It was like this lady like panicking and then like the raccoon came through. They took it to the vet. Incredible. Oh, with a blessed raccoon. That's amazing. Yeah.

Yeah. What a great day for that raccoon. Great day. So we see baby born and they're like, what do you name her? And she's like, Judy. I'm going to name her Judy. And then we see like a montage of them and join their kid. Judy growing up

and then there's a scene where Judy comes crying to Lorraine being like I keep seeing and hearing these things what am I supposed to do about it and Lorraine is like

The Demon played the long game they always play the long game we have to not forget dude and Lorraine is like remember that little poem we taught you just do that The poem is something like Polly

Lost her Pock It's like also kind of sing song It's like Polly Polly Pocket lost her Locket Something Susie found it Put the Locket in the pocket You're not real

I don't know why it is with you're not Something like that But it's Polly Pocket Founder That is really good I think it was exactly that Thanks it was exactly that But Lorraine's like Tell them they're not real

You shut them away Yeah, it's your choice. Shut it away. You can do this. Your choice. Yeah. And also, Lockett is a thing. I think sometimes in this montage we've seen that Lorraine has a little locket with

Judy's face in it. Yes. Which we've seen in the very first school. In other movies? Yes. Yeah, we had. We had a nice little locket scare number one. We knew about that locket.

And then boom, we get our big old. Do we get the big old conjuring right here now? Yeah, yeah. I think so. Nice. Which is just like, yeah. We're in it. We're in it.

And then we cut to 22 years later, 86 or something like 84. Exactly. And we got our Smurl family. Welcome to the Smurls. Every single time

they said smurls in this movie. It's very funny. Our whole row blew up. And it was a constant movie-going experience of like just going, you go smurl and like oh smurls just want to have fun like everybody around me was just like I see smurl it was smurl smurl it was very delightful um and we see them what do we see them do it's

confirmation day confirmation day so they're a big family it's uh two young like twin daughters who are probably like eight yeah and then Heather who's presumably like 13 12 13 is that when you do confirmation Yeah, I think around there. And then an older daughter who's going to be like 14-15. Yes. And then also the grandparents live in the house and the mom and dad. And it's like this, you know, family home, chaotic. Lots of people running around.

We see it's Heather's Confirmation Day. She's like mad because she didn't have time to dry her hair. Her sister's using the bathroom. The little girls are like running around causing chaos. And we're seeing some of this like the regular movie view and some of it through a camcorder. The dad is also like getting camp. quarter footage of the whole confirmation day. We see her at the church. She, like, does her little

confirmation. And then we were back home at dinner and it's like celebration party. Heather was confirmed. Yep. And, um, her grandparents bought her a present. There's a great big, weird spooky thing in the kitchen covered by a spooky

white sheet. And they're like, hey, we got you present. And she goes, pulls it off. And what do you think it is? a nasty mirror with three little baby heads at top nasty mirror With three little baby heads at top And like the girl like Heather's just like Yeah they are she is like

This is not an ideal gift for a 13 year old girl But they're like because you so you don't have to share the bathroom anymore And you can like get ready in front of a mirror Which is like a cute grandparent thing which is like the thought was there But nobody wants this nobody wants this And so she's all like Okay alright okay well whatever whatever And then it's cake time they got her lovely little cake

three little baby heads on top of that cake. Nice haunted little cake. I've never seen though like a so they have a candle for her to blow out but it's like I don't think that's a confirmation thing. I don't know. It's like a birthday.

Wikipedia or the not Wikipedia but the other like internet source I used to help supplement my notes supplement was it said it was also her birthday but I was like when I don't know I think it was a confirmation thing because the sister kept being like well I didn't get This, I didn't get it from my confirmation.

I didn't get a cake for my, so I don't know. But it doesn't matter. She's got to, it's because we have to do. She has a cake with a candle. She's got a cake. Great. They turn the lights off. The lights are out and she's getting ready.

They're like, make a wish. Make your confirmation wish. And before she can, the candle goes out. And she blames it on a sister. Yeah, she sucks in air. No air comes out. And the candle's gone. And she's like, oh, so it so did it.

So it so did it. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. And then they go to light it again. But then all of a sudden, the fucking kitchen fluorescent huge light comes crashing down. Knockin confirmation girl in the head. But she's okay.

She's like definitely out of it and bleeding a little bit. But it like crunches the whole table. And everybody's just like, wow. Pure chaos. Pure chaos. Pure chaos. Yet another reason to hate fluorescent lights.

I never even thought about that. But their heft, their ability to destroy a skull hadn't even considered it. The house that they're in. I mean, you see more and more of it throughout the movie,

but it's once again like, it's a, and I know it's for the movie probably, but it is just like, what is happening in this house? A nasty place. Like, wallpapers, like, peeled off revealing like black mold walls.

Like, it's so just like, you guys. yeah come on you guys it's like in the shadow of like um what is that mines or like big yeah like like uh like you know when you drive to long beach and you drive past those big old factory type it's like chimneys or something it's like big factory industrial like dirty just kind of like natural gas yeah you know it's just that's just the vibe you know that's kind of the back that's kind of the backdrop of the city yeah it's like very gotham city ask like oh no uh okay yeah so crash cut two cut two and Lorraine given a little

lecture they're talking about getting possessed by demons and what that's like uh we see it's a mostly empty lecture hall and they're kind of getting made fun of someone's like oh are you guys the ghostbusters who you're gonna call and they're like no we don't do that and And just getting a little hazed. And like a very funny, loud ADR line being like, let's get out of here. Really good. We see there's just one like girl kind of really paying attention to them.

Yes. We cut to dinner and that girl was Judy. And so we're at dinner now with Judy and her parents. And they're like, nobody cares about our lectures. And she's like, no, it's fine, guys. But we learned they're retired from demonology. Yes. Because of Ed's health, he's focusing on his heart health.

Yes, he is. So he's having to order heart healthy at dinner. You know, we're getting a lot. I hate to have weak heart anything when you're in this line of work. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. I'm sorry. Did Ed and Lorraine have Judy in the other movies?

Yes. I forget. Okay. I like forgot about Judy completely. Yeah, she's kind of comes and goes. Well, okay. She's a big part of this movie. This is she's coming.

And she's staying. She's coming and staying. You're not going to forget about Judy. You will never forget about Judy. In the chronology of the movies, this is the last one. Like, it's like this is the end of their... Yes. I will say, though.

Felt like they were teeing up, Judy. Yeah, this may be... Carried the torch. This might... They've been saying this is the Ed and Lorraine's last... Right. And the movie was very much just like, oh... Because in this scene, as Ed is ordering his funny, like,

heart healthy where he's like can i get steak on a bed of greens but make that steak chicken like i think that was exactly the line i was like what what um while he's like coming up with this weird order judy and lorraine kind of both have like a moment of like uh oh something is here something is weird and lorraine sees a creepy hand Gray, haggie, nasty, haggie hand Start to touch Judy's shoulder And Lorraine screams And that kind of knocks both of them out of it

And oh, and during that time Like both of them are saying that little locket thing I was just imagine like what is that poor waiter feeling Just being like What do you want? I said Polly Pocket How's that locket? Has it just put it away like spaghetti

Okay All right Okay So then They're back at the smirles Yes We're back at the smirles And the girls

Hey The smirled girls Oh The smir girls Yeah whatever We'll get to it The smore girl The smorg girls

The smorg girls The two older ones Are hanging out in the room and Heather's like, dude, this mirror sucks. It's scaring me. Yep. And the older one is like, well, let's get rid of it, dude. Let's get rid of it.

Tomorrow's trash day. So they're hauling out this huge, heavy, nasty mirror, and they get it outside. And we see garbage truck come, crunch it up. Great. Mirror is gone. I think slightly before, well, it's just we've, We see that, like, there's some spooky things happening at the Smurals. Yes.

Which I think is before the mirror gets taken. CORD? Yeah. So there's a couple really good scares. Oh, shit. I think the first, we kind of get, just kind of like a little montage of like, things are spooky at the Smurrills. Yes. And one of them is that, I'm just going to kind of bullet point them because I don't remember when they happened.

Yes. But it's all about now. Mom's in the basement doing laundry. And she looks in the corner of the basement. Lights are not on. No. Which is a. Which is not.

Correct. Yeah, what do you do it? How do you do it? What do you do it? What do you do in the dark? Come on. It's like not totally. It's like kind of like daytime.

Like I feel like there's like some light filtering in, but the lights aren't on. She's doing laundry and she kind of gets this bad feeling and she looks in the corner and it looks like just the worst case scenario. It's just dark in the corner. It's just a big man standing. Oh, God. Yeah. And it takes you with the viewer a little bit of time to be like, oh, oh, fuck. That's a man.

And she, she's like. seeing it and feeling it and like creeps over and turns a light switch on and we see there's a painting of John Wayne right there where the guy's face was. Yes. But it's like not enough to have been the whole deal. Yeah, she was kind of like, huh. She's like, okay, I guess it was that. Okay. Put us at ease. Later. Yes. Also, let's get that picture out of there. Let's get the picture of that. Right. What is that? It's her pitch. She's like, I like John Wayne. I like John Wayne. I'm not I put him in a laundry room where I can, like, fantasize about him. Rescuing me.

Then we get the phone cord scared. Do you want to describe the scare about it? Because it's so good. When we're meeting the Smurals for the first time during all the chaos, like the mom is on a phone. And it has a long cord that leads into like the pantry. And we see like the two twins like pulling on it and being like, like messing with their mom. And she's like, let go of a court. So you're like, okay, what's up?

So she comes up and is done with laundry. And she's on the phone, like, prepping dinner or something. And the two twins are kind of going nuts, going in the pantry, like, all over the place. And she, like, on the phone, goes to the pantry, grab some stuff, turns the light out. And, of course, it's just, like, pitch black. A dark hole. Dark hole. And she's, like, walking towards the counter or whatever.

And then it's pulled back because the cord is getting pulled. And she's like, you little kids, why are you doing that? And she turns, and it's still pitch black, but, like, clearly something is pulling on the cord. And she's like, you kids, how dare you pull the cord? And then you see the two little girls running up the stairs, nowhere near the pantry. Yeah. Good scare. Good scare.

And the mom sees it, too. And she, like, drops the phone. And then the phone just gets, like, yanked into the claws. And she's just like. And she, like, clips on the lot. clip clicks on the light and it's like kind of all circled up and the phone is just in the middle awesome thank you for reminding me move right away get out of that house I know well and then another scare we see one of the little girls has this nasty doll it's nasty doll it's like a little

baby that crawls and it goes like mama and then it crawls and go mama and she's shaped her doll like she was playing with it and she puts it on the ground and she goes to pick it back up and it's not there anymore and she walks into the other room I think the room with the mirror and she and the doll has gotten itself in there and she's like what are you doing in here and it like turns again and it turns and then it totally turns

and it like sits itself up and then it starts floating and it starts floating and you're like and the little girl's like what what what what and then behind the baby doll nasty hag In the room

Not in the mirror In room Like holding up the doll Very good nasty hag Scare Wow I will just say they haven't updated Doll noises

May got a doll And it sounds exactly like that It's the same sound Throw it out Did you get it from that spooky second hand store Where everything's haunted? No no This is a woman from her name

Annie. But I will say that the spooky, the like new thing that's happened with it is that it you like press a button and it goes like, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. It does that like fake baby voice. I can't do it. Baby laugh. And May though like can imitate it now. And so she'll be in the car seat and she's she like likes to like pretend to tickle herself. She'll go tickle, tickle, tickle and then she goes ha ha ha ha ha ha like the fake baby doll and tim and i are just like stop to quit doing it don't quit doing it don't she not crazy shut up she has to stop that she has to stop that she has to stop that she's so sorry you got to get rid of that dog yeah do it right now throw it in that fireplace behind you and set it on fire prove it

you know. Prove it. Yeah. This not this unworking fireplace. I just light on fire like my entire house. This crazy smoke. Like, the doll's gone. The doll's gone.

Worth it. Worth it. Anyway. Good call. Emily. So then the girls. Yeah. This was actually, I think, a good call, Joel.

Because again, I was taking notes and I was like, and then what? And he was like, and then when did that? When does the phone scare? I was like, right? The phone scare. It's so good. But they do, we do see this mirror. get crushed up by that garbage truck and so we're like okay mirror's gone next morning all the

smirles are having breakfast and everybody's feeling good they're eating their their their cereal they're having a blast they're all screaming they're feeding their great dog who's a wilma right golden retriever dog yeah bacon they're just you know having a good family everything is going to be fine forever When all of a sudden The mirror walks in on Tuesday Is it looking for someone Does a John Wayne impression Immediately

Her lady She loves John Wayne She's pervert She goes down there and just like grabs her boobs to that picture She's like I need some meet time I gotta go look at John Wayne Oh, so then the oldest girl who's sitting next to him.

The oldest smirled girl. The oldest smirled girl. The elder smirled girl starts kind of being like, like starts kind of gagging. And it's like, and everybody like slowly is like, what's happening? And stops talking, stops feeding the dog bacon. and then she starts hurling Puking so... A smirle hurl.

A smirle, a smirle, a smirled girl hurl. Which Chris said... A smirle girl, hurl? Like, power puking. And then she like hops up and it's like now blood and she goes to the sink and there are shards of mirror glass in the sink.

Oh. Wow. That's a bad magic trick. You remember that thing you used to do with beer bottles where you would like tap on the top of a beer bottle and it would make it foam up so that the person with the beer had to drink it really quick. I did that once to a friend and after she was done drinking it, we noticed like a big chip of the top of the rim was gone and she had drank it. And so this was like how I imagined the rest of that night going. I was like, well, it's only moments until you die. God. What happened? Was she fine? She's fine. She completely fine. Her body was able to handle the glass. I guess so. But it was really scary. I had a friend who chipped his tooth doing that. Like somebody hit it and then he went, he went to like take it fast and went. Too forcefully.

And like broke a tooth and he was like, maybe we should stop doing this. Yeah, let's everybody stop doing this. I think we don't need to do that. That is so freaky. Yeah, this sounds really nasty. I can't imagine that. Wait, so is she okay or did she die or what's going on? They take her to the hospital and keep going. We don't see her back for a little while, but like, spoiler, yeah, she's totally fine. We see her a little bit later and I was like, the fuck?

Like she just was, what? Because while they're gone, is Heather alone in the house? Not yet. Thank you so much. Thanks. I found a pretty good. I found a pretty good. T-good.

Shit is, it's definitely not Wikipedia, because mine is just like, there's some ghosts and then it's all right. I know. I've been doing this. Bess, I've been doing this long. I just know that it's never good enough on Wikipedia. It's never good enough on Wikipedia. You got to find those deep, deep internet dyes. So we cut back to the Warrens at this point.

Ed goes to see his doctor and his doctor's like, Ed, you really can't have another heart attack. The stakes are high. You can't. You cannot have another heart attack. And he goes home from the doctor straight into a big old house party. Birthday party, yep. Yep, it's his. Maybe it's a surprise party.

Surprise party for Ed. Birthday, Ed. All the friends are there. Father Gordon is there. Some people presumably from other conjuring movies are there. The cop from the first one with the mustache who was like, I'm not a believer. And then like, sauced oven. And it was like, wow, I guess I believe now.

He's there. He's working the grill. He's got a beautiful. Yeah. So real cast of characters, a real community. Yeah. We see Judy shows up to the party with her boyfriend, Tony. He's all nervous. He's got tie on.

He's like, oh, my God, a birthday for your dad. She makes a joke like, oh, you're wearing a tie. What is this? A funeral? And then he walks into the house. And she's like, no, it looks good. And he walks to the house. And Ed's like, oh, Thai, what is this a funeral?

We're getting a lot of, like, classic father-in-law to be, like, ribbing. You know, that kind of, like, girlfriend's father, like, oh, this guy. but at one point we're at this party and we see Judy goes up into her room and she's like looking at old pictures in her room and she gets a bad feeling

and the room gets dark and she hears a creaking behind her right right right turns behind her we got Annabelle sitting in a rocking chair sitting in a rocking chair just being like hi wait where is Annabelle been what where the hell is she's from

Annabelle is technically in their like basement their house house thing. I do think yeah we've seen that at this party he's like giving tours to his friends and he's like do not touch don't touch anything but she's normally like locked in a little glass case right and we've seen

that she's locked in a case but would you guys go down into that basement I mean I wouldn't no I don't think I would I think I'd be like I don't think I would I wouldn't fuck with it I don't trust myself and I don't trust you Ed you freak yeah it's just not worth it It's not worth it.

No way. It's not worth it. So I would not. I don't think I would, yeah, I think I'd be like, no, no, no, no. Being, like, personally involved with anyone who's a self-declared demonologist would be, like, pretty risky, you know? Pretty risky behavior. Like, no matter what.

Like, even entering the house of someone who's like, oh, yes. And I have a lot of things in my house. Right. Yeah. Yes. I wouldn't feel great about it. Right. No.

It's like, okay. I guess I don't want to, we don't want to, we don't want to, I don't want to be friends with you. I don't know. I'm not your friend. Yeah. So I'm just not your friend. Yeah, so I'm going to go now. I'm out of you.

They have a lot of friends, though, by the looks at this part. They have a lot of friends. But Annabelle's in the room. Yes. And Judy starts singing her song, Like, pocket, this and I can die, this is you're not real. You're not real. And it works.

But Annabelle is real, isn't she? Yeah, but. Yes, but she knows that it's like. It's her being like, you're not going to bother me. Or, you know, like. I see. I see. It's an entity kind of using Annabelle to freak her out, something like that, you know.

Got it. So I do wonder about this. Like, parenting is hard enough, but parenting when you're aware that, like, demons are in your house. I can't. And, like, demons are your full-time job. And you have a child who's susceptible to demons. Well, and when you were pregnant, you touched a mirror that had a demon in it and it killed your child. Yeah.

That would make it hard. And then, yeah. came and tried to take your child like so the polypocket thing i'm just curious how they have do they think that will actually work do you know what i mean like do they really believe i think it's like mind over matter kind of thing of like take you know take ownership of like kind of shielding yourself from this because what it is is maybe that like judy maybe has the same gift that lara it's less that like you can just say it's not real if you're being possessed but it's more i think that like you can choose not to interact with the demon

world if you don't want to. It's like she's telling Judy to be like this doesn't have to be your life. Shut it out. You do not have to do what I do. You do not have to deal with this stuff. So Judy's about to find out something different though, right? The difference is Judy's like can like

communicate. She is sensitive. She's in touch with the other. And that perhaps it seems like she's getting like these evil entities are perhaps like fucking with her specific. Because they're like, oh, you're not going to, like, see me. You're not going to, they're like trying to spook her and scare her and mess with her,

but she's not possessed. It's like the people at, uh, not scary farm and stuff. Exactly. Oh, absolutely. When you try to ignore them, they're like, oh, we got to go 10 times. We got to get them really good. I'm going to slide right at you with sparks coming off my boots. Betsy one time, I went to not scary farm when I was like 14 with my mom and my mom's

boyfriend at the time. and I it was my first time and I didn't know about the knee pad sliding spark thing and that happened like three times and I was like okay we have to leave and we left after like 45 minutes I was like I can't I can't be here I don't know what this is what's the knee pad sliding spark thing and it's this like subculture in the world of Halloween haunts and stuff and people from not scary farmer like I invented it like in the 70s like some dude is like and I thought I'm going to put like trays on my knees and slide at people and scare him but at the same year some other dude says that he thought of it first there's like a funny little I went down at a hole there's a funny little like YouTube not funny by it it's a like rivalry documentary about kind of the history of sliders and now they have like teams and like I've met some folks at the Queen Mary, who were sliders.

And they were like, not scary farm is like the ultimate goal. Like, and they're all on different teams and stuff. That whole world is so, is so fun and fun. Yes, it's a fast, I love it so much.

It's fascinating. Yeah. But they'll do like, they'll do like shows and stuff where they're like grinding on a coffin or like sliding through people's legs. Like there'll be a tunnel of like 10.

people and they're like, I'm going to slide through all of them. It's awesome. Wait, and then they're on like a tray. They're on like a tray and it like creates sparks. They have now like actual gear. Like there are sliding gear. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've leveled up.

Yeah, like hand stuff, shoes, knee pet, like. Wow. Humans contain multitudes truly. It's we can really do so much. It really is like since we had to stop like kind of farming for ourselves in a way and like building our own houses it's kind of like I don't know Should we like scare each other and slide?

You like slide around on some grades? Make shoes that do it? Yes. Slide around. I can talk about sliders all day long. But so Annabel Scare and Judy and she's singing her You're Not Real song and it works and just then Tony comes in

and he like sees that she's singing her song and he's like what was that that you were doing and she kind of like I'm embarrassed but she tells him the song and they have like a sweet moment the two of them where he's like supporting her and trying to be internet with her and like kisses her they start making out

they start making out and they're interrupted by Lorraine who's like guys it's time for ping pong and Tony and I'd play ping pong and it's really heated it's intense like it's very like who's gonna be the main who's the biggest man like in Lomo

everybody's cheering like the upcoming Timothy Shalamee movie yes it's just gonna be like Marty Supreme Marty Supreme but it's really eventually i think tony does win and everybody's like he gets the best of him wow and in the corner it's ed is breathing pretty heavy and we're like is that having a fucking hard he's grabbing his chest after his ping pong um and guess what he's not having

our tech he's totally fine he's totally fine okay totally fine um but everybody kind of leaves to go get drinks or whatever they're like oh cool great great ping pong game um but tony sticks around to talk to ed and lorraine and he's like hey i wanted to find an opportunity to talk to you guys and he takes out a ring and he says I wanted to ask for your blessing. They've been together six months. Six months. Oh wow. And he's like, I know it's really soon but Judy's the best

girl I've ever met and I can't picture my life without her and Lorraine is like well we knew after only six months and of course you have her blessing and I was like wait what? Yeah like hold on. I don't know man pretty early on like I don't know I think like it's different with us was a different time but as he's having this back and forth Judy walks in. She sees that ring. It like gets knocked off the ping pong table. So he gets down on one knee to pick it up.

And she's like, oh my God. Are you to me? What? And he's like, oh, yeah, I guess so. And then she's like, I do. Yes, I do. And everybody's kind of like, okay. All right.

Yeah. So Judy and Tony are engaged. That's so funny to walk into the room and your boyfriend's on one knee with a ring. And you're like, are you with your parents? Have you been proposing to me in this room this whole time? I wasn't even here. Have I been here? Have I been in this room?

So then Father Gordon is like, hey, there's a case in Pennsylvania, as they're all leaving and stuff. There's a case in Pennsylvania that I think you should really look into. And Ed and Lorraine are like, no way, man. We're done with that. And you know it. And he's like, well, I thought I'd try. I thought I'd try. and then he leaves.

Yeah. And then he leaves. And we go back to the smurls where things, he tried his best and we go back to the smurls and things have gotten worse at swirls. Everyone now in the family's like, we're 100% haunted. The girl who ate, puked up glasses is totally fine. But they are like, we're definitely haunted. She's freaking out. She's like, we need to get the fuck out of here.

This place is crazy. Didn't you just see what happened to me? And they're like, what? He said, how do we do it? Like. yeah they're like there's too many of us we can we can't possibly leave the dad also is not totally buying it he's like i don't know i think we're probably fine um and so it goes to bed that night everybody goes to bed that night and the dad is in bed yeah and what how does this happen how does it start um i think he just kind of wakes up in a cold sweat like oh something's wrong something's wrong and we see I think some hag hands You see some hag hands

Creep in Along maybe they're up on the ceiling Let's just say she's on the ceiling I can't really remember But he's seeing Yes And he's getting levitated up out of bed And he has like paralysis

Like he's like shaking and sweating And like da da da And she's like She's like Floating over him And he can't move And like he can't speak And his wife's asleep

But it's just happening to him but meanwhile downstairs this is when Heather's like I need to watch the footage for my confirmation I need to see what happened with this fucking cake

and she's going and this was a good little spook she's sitting in the dark crazy because she's like really trying to catch this footage right and it's like she's rewinding going back and rewinding

the candle blowing out seeing if I can see seeing if I can see seeing if I can see trying to pause we're not seeing anything and then she finally does

like rewind and it stops and we get a freeze frame and it does the thing that like you know with VHS sometimes the image will like come like float vertically like over and over again tracking or whatever

so it's kind of doing that and there's a damn old hag face blowing the candle what a bitch fucking bitch that fucking bitch they're so messy demons demons are messy demons are messy

they're like where how can I get involved in the most controversial way possible I'm gonna blow out this goddamn candle Yeah, your confirmation wish is toast And as Heather's seeing this We see behind her glinty on the coffee table I missed it at first too Shocked by this

I was shocked by this I think you like people gasp and I was like I don't see anything It's a big A huge shiny axe And Heather turns around sees this big ass Yep and it's picked up and wielded

by an even bigger man huge axe man oh no the big man John Wayne sized plus about John Wayne size and he starts like coming for her like bashing stuff

with the axe trying to get her with the axe and I think she's just she's screaming yeah because he's coming after her and I think you would and I think it like wakes people up

and they The mom wakes up to the screams, looks up and sees dad floating there. Floating. She starts to get out of bed. He then comes down. They're all up in screaming. Mom never mentioned it to anybody. Because I was like, you got to tell everybody.

Because the girl is like, there was a guy here trying to kill me with an act. We need to leave this place. Something is wrong. Yeah. And they say, well, we're not going to leave. instead what we're going to do is we're going to alert the press and we're going to have a lot of montage we're going to let the press know

that this is going on the press will fix it so we have a big old montage of like the smirle family's been having like just going to that and like the press coming people being like it's a hoax it's got to be a hoax nope it's weird like whatever why don't people believe us so we have a big old montage is there an explanation of why they alert the press

sorry does someone say like because then I think they want help. I think they're like, somebody come help us. Yeah, kind of at their last. Okay. Like the last drawer. Because I think they were even like, who do we call? Like, what do we do? We just need help. It's not that they're trying to become

like ghost influencers. No, no, no. I think they're like, somebody come help us get this, um, whatever's going on out of our house. Right. Meanwhile, this is happening. It's time for Judy to go shopping for wedding dresses. Oh, it's all

happening so fast. It's all happening. way too fast. Way too fast. Way too fast. Yeah. And there's a really funny character who's the wedding dress lady who like Lorraine walks in and is like, oh my gosh. I didn't know you were coming.

We love having celebrities here. You got to tell me what my future is. No, I'm just kidding. That's not what you do. It was, it made me laugh really hard. And then she pulls out like the most 80s wedding dress ever. He's like, let's go, Judy. into this room that's only mirrors.

The door is a mirror. 360 mirror room. From that, just like in that show, what, what was it called? The one that you watch. Yes, when not to wear. The reboot that Emily's been watching doesn't have it probably, but what not to wear on TV. The original one did because it was like, look at your flaws. Look at how bad you look from this angle and this load.

I'm like, let's put like a gazillion. See yourself how we see you. Nasty. Nasty. That's a gazillion cameras in here. Oing. all this is say that those rooms do exist and they should be burned in the ground

yeah we're in those rooms nobody should nobody should not bad or one thought so Judy's like getting fitted for her dress and then the phone starts ringing and dress lady's like oh god Maureen sucks at her job I gotta go get it you just wait here closes the door and Judy's like alone in this mirror

room where it is you see thousands of little judies, you know, of all angles. So she's like kind of looking and starting to feel a little weird. Starting to feel a little weird. Get out of the room? She does not get out of the room. Does she get locked in? Or like, can she not leave the room?

I think she maybe can't leave the room. And she does call. I think she calls for her mom. Nobody can hear her. It seems like it's a, you know, demons. She tried. She tried. Demon is doing things.

She at one point bends down. but one of her reflections remain standing. That was a good scare, dude. This is a whole great scare. That's a really scary. This is a great scare scene. And she notices it, right? And like pops up and it's like, oh my God, oh my God, my God.

And then the door opens? The door opens, but she's not looking in the direction of the door. And looks down and there's a lump of form of someone, under her dress with her, which is where the woman, the shopkeeper was, like doing alterations down there. And Judy's like, oh, you're back. It was getting like spooky in here.

And then she starts getting poked with a needle. She's like, ow, you're poking me. Ow, you're poking me. And then does she like uncover? Uncovers. Yeah, she like pulls the dress back in it. It's a damn hag.

A fred. I don't think of the same hag. I don't know. know if it's the same hag it's really hard to say it's just a lot of hags you know they're finally getting time to shine in hollywood yeah um and it's really and she starts losing it and screaming and then finally uh Lorraine and dress lady come in like what's coming on she's like I got a little nervous whatever uh yeah it was awesome really good scare she was like oh just your average wedding you know cold feet yeah you know when a hag starts fitting you for your dress

you're like do i do this or not um we then see that father gordon has decided to go visit the smiles on his own and he walks into the house and he's immediately like yeah something's bad here i'm gonna help you out um and decides straight away to go down into that basement because you would yes oh and he is just sloshing holy water like big splat like it's a funny amount of water where it's just like splash splash it's a funny amount of holy water so he's I guess yeah why be why be you know stingy with it yeah and so he goes down to the basement and we see him like throw it onto a stair and it starts to fucking sizzle and smoke steam it turns to

steam and he's like in the basement splashing it everywhere and more and more steam starts rising and funny shots of John Wayne just being like hey like it's a big poster there and then what do we see then he's like he's I think he sees the steam and is like well fuck this is really because you know yeah where it's pretty hot

yeah really bad hell because he then comes back upstairs and he's like oh I got to go I gotta get hot like he is freaking out he needs more help more help and the mom is like wait where why why are you leaving where you go he's like I got more help he is panicking and it's like

As soon as you see a priest fucking panicking out, get your kids out of there. Get yourself and your kids out of there. So he runs to be like, we need the approval of the Catholic Church to do something. Yeah, he goes to see the like archdiocese or whatever. It's like a creepy, it's a big building.

It's like kind of empty. We just see like someone like buffing the floors with one of those big floor buffer things, but nobody else is there. That's exactly what my life is like. That's what I do every day. That's me in the morning. And he goes to the office and the secretary, like, tells him to wait at her death.

She's like, calls the archides, so this guy's here to see you. And it's like, it'll be a few minutes, take a seat here. And we have another cord scare. We see the, like, cord of the buffer thing get, like, crazy tight. And so he's, like, looking at it. And it looks like it's, like, kind of struggling. He's looking at it. And then he turns back, no one is in the hall or nobody's in the room.

Like, that woman is gone. And she was, like, right. right in front of him she couldn't have gotten up and walked away and then we see the like he's the office that he's waiting to go into on the doors they have little crosses and we see the doornob slowly turn to make it upside down yeah and then a big a bunch of like just dark comes out of that area and comes towards him oh no and he pulls out his cross in defense he's like holds out his cross and hold out his body was like oh fuck go fuck the things here and other things here now and he's holding out his cross and it bursts into flames

in his hand and he keeps holding it and watch his hand turn to like boil bubbling ew that's a bad sign cut to a like fourth store it's like one of those buildings that's got like balconies over the like other floors of the building you know like you can like look up and see the top floor and all the different and we just see we see his hand grab that cord of that buffer

wrap it around his neck and jump off and kill himself uh oh and then Judy he's trying to get out of the demon do we think there he's thinking demons can't take me to hell the demon made him the demon made him

just like the demon made that guy the antiques like priests pretty pretty are pretty against yeah yeah yeah yeah very against I know, but a priest will do it. The priest will do anything. You can't trust a priest. You don't really know what a priest is really going to do.

Well, you would know better than us, I guess. You wouldn't have better than the rest of us. I mean, you know, you never really know what a priest's going to do. You never really know what a priest's going to do. As we all know, you never know what a priest's going to do. Cut to the funeral. Does Judy have a vision? Yes.

So we cut to the funeral. Yes, she does. And Judy puts her hand on the casket and has some. some sort of vision that we don't see. And she then, to Ed and Lorraine and her now fiance, Tony, is like, you need to help this family. Like, Father Gordon was trying to help them. They need help so bad you need to. And Ed and Lorraine are like, we're done with that.

I told you. We're done. Leave us alone. And then, and she's like, we need to do something. They still say no. But they go home and we see Lorraine's doing dishes. Oh, good call. And she goes to turn the disposal on and the sink won't drink.

So we have a little garbage disposals that. Reaches her hand down there, he's fishing around. We're like, oh, no, oh, no, oh, no. Grabbs it, finds whatever it is, pulls it out. It's the locket with Judy's face on. And she's looking at it and she's like getting this look and like, oh, no, no, no. looks down into the sink what was once water is now blood.

Blood! And it like starts spilling over blood. Like it's on her nice shoes, blood everywhere. And she's like, Judy's at, Judy's in trouble. Yeah, yeah. It's like, oh my God, where's Judy? She's gone.

She went on her own to the smurls. Yeah. Smurls, dude. Smurals. So Ed and Lorraine and Tony are like, we got to go. Smurwin. We got to go get Judy back.

Yes. I know. I guess. Yeah. And they show up and they find Judy there and they're like, okay, Judy, time to go home. And the media, like there's a bunch of media still there. And they're like, whoa, Ed and Lorraine are here. Holy shit.

And they're like, nope, Judy, we're leaving. We're leaving. And then Judy gives a nice little speech of like, look at this family. They need us, mom and dad. We need to do this. Come on. one last time I'm staying no matter what and reluctantly they're like okay

Ed goes and gets his like demonology bag and the media's like oh it's happening oh my God and then and so then Lorraine yeah they all start kind of investigating and Lorraine

like they do discovers how does she discover this in the basement? I think just kind of yeah like walking around getting a sense of things she's pretty much like okay there's a demon in here and there are three spirits who have lived on this kind of possessing yes who are like from this land there's a history of a dude who killed his wife and her mom with an axe and then killed himself or something and those spirits are still in this area and the demon is using them to scare the shit out of this family

and weaken them to then possess them and kill them and kill them. Yeah. And then Ed's making pancakes at one point. Yeah, Ed's making pancakes.

He's talking to Tony. Him and Tony have like a little heart to heart where Tony says, Tony used to be a cop and he stopped being a cop because he showed up at a domestic violence case and the guy held up a shotgun to him and shot it, but the gun, like, misfired, and it should have killed Tony, but it didn't.

And so he's like, I quit being a cop. And I went and bought a ring for Judy that same day. That same day. And he asks Ed, Ed's making them pancakes. And he's like, is this part of your job? Making pancakes. And Ed's like, the whole point is like, we want to, like, demons prey on fear. And we need to make these people feel less fear and, like, less alone. And that's a big part of the job. Really, we're really, really getting the feeling in these ways that it's like, it's your turn. Now it's your turn. Now it's very much for. Judy and Tony, Tony, Tony, you're unemployed. Judy, you have this gift.

It's your turn. It's your turn now. There's a really big moment we'll hit later. There's like, yeah. Like we all were like, no, oh my God, big move. Yeah. And so Tony's kind of getting in being like, okay, all right. I can do this.

I can do this. It's just pancakes and stuff. I can do it. I can do this. And while they're all kind of doing that, Judy's exploring the house. She's trying to get, she's figuring out. She gets sort of like. She's watering the house and we hear her name is called.

She's like, Judy, like her and her mom's voice from the attic. But like, we know it. It's like, come on. You know better than this. And so she goes up into that attic and she walks into that attic. And what does she see in the corner of that attic? Babyhead. A nasty mirror with three baby heads on it.

How dare they? It's up there. Judy gets like drawn to it. and then out of the corner the other corner of the attic she like hears something and she turns around and hits

Enabelle It's Annabelle But this time Annabelle stands up and like gets huge This was a fun It gets

It's really silly It's fun And kind of throwing her down The attic stairs And chasing It gets funny She's like really big, fun house mirrory, like, gigantic Annabelle.

Clomping down the hallway. And Judy, like, she, like, falls down the attic ladder or something and is, like, that draws the attention to everybody else. They, like, come upstairs. They find her. So, like, Annabel goes away. Well, and so Judy's on the ground, and her mom runs up to her and is like, what's wrong? Are you okay? And she's like, yeah, I'm fine.

And it's like, no, you guys are in. We hear this so much during the movie of like, you okay? Yeah, I'm fine. Where it's like, you're not. You don't want to, you don't want to mention the thing that just happened. Yeah, like, you just got shoved downstairs by a big Annabelle. And you're here to help figure out what's going on. You need to communicate, you guys.

You need to tell each other what's going on. Do you think that the demons in her already or something? Well, she does about in this moment start to feel a little sick. She does touch the mirror. She does touch the mirror. did touch the mirror. She touched the mirror. She touched the crack. She touched the crack. She touched the crack. The same point that she touched the crack.

Her mommy. That her mommy touched. And she does, at this point, she does say like, I don't feel so well. So they put her into bed and they're like, you know, sleep tight, feel better. Yeah. And they're still like, are you okay? Into bed in the Smurl house? In the Smurl house? Because they're not leaving the Smurl house. And they're like, what a coincidence. You came down with a cold just as we entered the demon house. But Ed and Lorraine have not yet gone up to the attic. And so at this point, they're like, well, let's go up there and see what the deal is. And they go up and they see that fucking mirror.

And they're like, oh, no, this is what's happening. The demon got in through this mirror. That's what's possessing these spirits. I've seen this mirror before. This mirror is really, really bad. So Judy's sick in the bed. They've got a mirror in the attic. We've got to get this mirror out.

It's big and heavy. So they're like, okay, all the boys got to take care of this mirror. Ed and Papa Smarral need to get this mirror out of the attic. Yeah. And they're like Tony rev up the car and get ready to peel on out of here with that mirror. She's like

I'll go get the car ready. And truly like it felt like Tokyo drift or something. Where it's like, what are you driving like this? He starts immediately driving crazy. So crazy.

Too fast. Too serious. To move like across the street and it's a small street where it's just like what are you doing and he as he's too fast and too furiousing he thinks he sees an old hag

in the road and tries to avoid hitting her and then crashes the car yeah because he's going like 80 miles an hour it was so weird it was so unnecessary we see

meanwhile I can't remember what leads to this what's Lorraine do it Lerang goes to that basement I had also forgotten what Lorraine is doing. But Lorraine goes down into the basement, I guess, to try to just deal with these things.

Yeah, I mean, you go to the attic and then you go to the basement. Exactly. There you go. So the boys are in the attic and Lorraine's in the basement and it starts like filling up with blood. Like there's like blood water

in there at her feet. Yeah. And she sees that axeman. Yes. Oh yeah. And she's now kind of almost in, she's having a vision of pretty much being in like being there on the night

that he decides to kill his wife and mom because she's like kind of hiding watching him come down down there because she needs to like see where it happened or like get a sense of them yeah and so she's like there and then like gets touched and turns around and there's a head and being like and it's like fun scare

and then Axeman just slams an axe into the hag's head and then chases after her and she's like crawling through blood and stuff and she's freaking out and then somebody finds her well it's somebody finds her but not yet

oh never mind guys I don't know what happened and again I am I've sort of invent I've taken the facts that I've seen on the internet and that Joel remember it and I've pieced them into a story which may or may not be how the story happens but we're just going to say that it is

it's happening so Ed and the Daddy Smurl are in the attic and they're and they cover the mirror up with a big sheet and they like cinch it with like like tie things like you know because you don't want to touch it you don't want to touch it you don't want to look at it you don't want to look at it you don't want to touch it and yeah they put on those like moving clamp things to hold on like sheets and stuff and they're like it's crazy heavy and it's getting heavier it's getting heavier and they're walking on It's the thing where it's like they have to do Over fiberglass

Because if you fall through you'll go right through the ceiling So there's like you know you're like uh oh we got to be careful But this crazy mirror is heavy And the buckles slowly are unbuckling And like whipping off whipping off And then they're getting very close to the attic door And then the sheet like comes flying off and Daddy Shmurl is like,

he's looking at it, don't look at it, don't look at it, don't look at it. But he looks at it. He looks at it. He falls down the stairs again. Or he falls down the ladder. And so Ed drops the mirror because he can't hold it by himself and it drops down his ankle.

On his ankle, it looks like it sliced his foot off. Like it looks, but it didn't. Again, this is another thing where I was like, he's actually fine. But it really looks like it was going to slice as well. But again, it didn't. So that's, happening. Meanwhile, though,

we've seen Judy get up out of bed. And now she is fully She's, oh, yeah. Judy is fully possessed. She's walking around the house. She's looking really scary. Her eyes are orange. It's like, she's looking very freaky demony. She's walked through the house

and she sees the gold retriever. And she, it's like, it's crazy. The dog is like growling at her because this dog has done to the mirror before to the dog as they do Senses, you know, demons and it's like, growling at her and she like, like, reaches out to grab the dog

and just fucking throws it against like a full grown golden retriever, just like fucking flings it against the wall. Which, I'm so sorry, I was watching a thing about the Smurals before this. Oh, great. They claim that happened. They claim that their golden retriever got like picked up

and thrown against the wall. Oh, well, was it was it totally fine? Like it is in this movie because the dog is again totally fine oh good absolutely fine they didn't look like if there's any universe where it could have been fine but it is totally it's totally fine it's absolutely fine which i was like few yeah yeah finally run out of the house with the dog i'm like oh good yeah um okay i think at this point tony is trying to get back into the house yes he's watching all of that and he sees through the like window

in the door this happened. He sees that Judy's possessed and he's like oh my God Judy Judy like well and he's trying to get in and she like won't let him in and she like is up at the door and like won't let him in and so he's like I got to run around to find another way into the house. He opens like a storm door which also leads to the basement so he gets

Lorraine and they get back into like the main house. He finds her just like screaming on the floor and nothing going on and he's like you okay. Yeah and so they get into the, they get back into the main house. Meanwhile, there's, the dad is like on his busted ass ankles. Like, no, no, I'm fine. I can still carry this mirror and is like trying to help Ed pick up the mirror and carry it.

But he fucking can't. And Ed sees Judy and now locks eyes on her and is like, oh, fuck, Judy's possessed. So he tells all the smells. He's like, finally. Get out of the fucking house. All of you get out. Everybody runs out. Everybody's totally 100% fine.

Even the dog. They run out of the house. Ed's looking at Judy and he's like trying to get to Judy past the demon and he's like Judy you're still in there like I'm your dad I love you like you're in there I feel like this is the climax of every

conjuring movie is everyone just like looking at each other being like just just you can remember who you are for the beach yeah it's absolutely that he's saying this to Judy and she reaches out to him

and puts her hand on his chest and heart attack heart attack but then he's fine and he drops all the pills down that he is absolutely yeah he's trying to take his pills but it's fine because he's totally fine he'll be fine he'll be he's like i do i do prefer this type of horror movie when everyone is totally fine yeah it's actually like he's totally fine but uh judy pushes past him i guess that's the important part is she pushes passed him and he's trying to find his pills and like... Is that?

And so she actually is now going up to the attic. And we don't see why or we don't see her go there but Lorraine and Tony come up to Ed they see him. They revive the hammer, keep him from having a heart attack somehow. And then three of them are like oh my God, you're okay. I am. I'm fine.

And they're like, oh God, where's Judy? Where's Judy? Yes. And they go up they realize she went up to the attic. They go up to the attic. Judy has started to hang herself in the attic. Judy is hanging in the attic. Not yet dead, but you know, you don't want to be like that. And so they're trying to like be careful about the falling through. Because Tony takes a step and does fall through but pulls his leg back out.

So they're like trying to get to her. Ed's got a little knife. They're trying to like cut her down. Lorraine is in the corner crying, streaming, oh, my baby, my baby, don't take my baby. big dramatic scene are we going to get her down are we going to get her down we do but we all fall through the ceiling

everybody falls through okay on to the landing below which guess what else is there the mirror with three babies at the top yeah you know it you know it and so they're like reviving her and guys it's a lot like to

open the scene you know she's done this before done this before It worked once. It worked once. So, like, Lorraine is crying and, like, praying, and Ed is trying to do CPR. Tony's trying to do CPR.

And then... And then... Does she come to, like, before? She comes to... I think she's, like, oh, look, you know, kind of back alive. Yeah. Thank God. But we look over down in the landing, and the mirror has now started to levitate.

Oh, yeah. And it lifts up And then it starts spinning, spinning, spinning So, so fast. So fast, like a portal's opening to hell or something. Like, this is like really bad. It's really, really bad. It falls down onto Tony's leg this time.

And it like peels skin off. It like pulls skin off. It's like. Yeah, because it's like dragging or it's like It's moving on its own. Very beauty and the beast. I was like, This mirror is moving like a wardrobe.

So I think they're like backing away from it because, you know, it's really bad. But it has fallen down onto Tony's leg. And so it's like pushing across the ground but like pushing skin off his leg and like pushing him. And somehow I think it slides like up his body and then lands on his neck. And then it's like pushing on his neck. But don't worry later. He'll be fine.

A day like 12 hours later, he's walking fine. Yeah, he's really totally fine. Again, lunatic. Don't even more, he's really fine. Don't worry, he's absolutely fine. he's absolutely fine he's totally fine he's totally fine he's not bone but he's totally fine he's totally fine yeah so the mirror's coming at them and they're like trying to stop it and they're ed is saying his things he's got his book and he's like christ and you get out of there

and do the you know reading the thing and you can and Lorraine says to Judy she's like I was wrong don't shut it out we have you have to embrace it yes you need your powers we need your powers and they're all like they all touch the mirror and see like evil versions of them on the end of like evil teeth and stuff and that was that got hey that got a big laugh uh and then uh what happens i think like they just they're pushing they're touching it and they're working together and and then the mirror shatters yeah and they defeated the demon it's falls over amazing and they defeated the demon. Hell yeah. Yeah. Because then they bring the mirror and put it in the house. The house.

Oh yeah, yeah. Into their little library of. Yes. Tony's helping Ed and this is truly I'm going to say six hours later. No limb. No limb. He's helping Ed. No neck being like, ow. I almost got crushed. No evidence of pain. No evidence of

And they set the mirror down and Tony's like kind of looking around and it's just like, wow, this is incredible and looking at Annabelle and stuff. And then Ed has the keys to the room. And he goes, he tosses them to Tony. And at the exact same time, both Mono and Mark went, take it for a spin. it made me so hard it felt totally like hey it's yours now bud take her for a spin it was so funny this is like an episode of seventh heaven like this is what it feels like it's seven heaven Christian undertones and all Christian a big time actually Christian overtones yeah like one heavy overtones time big kind of kind of kind of the only tones yeah I feel yeah

Chris Christian tone. Yeah. Really not much else in there. No. And then, um, oh, and then we cut to wedding. I was going to say it's like also like my job and my daughter are yours now. They're yours now. Precisely.

Yeah. We didn't need any of this part. We could have ended with, hey, take it for a spin. But we see, we see wedding. Lorraine's like, I had a vision where our lives. Well, we also see they're at the, they're after the wedding. they're like dancing one of the day is for and there's we do like the you know the bride and cream like walk down the line of everybody like applauding them like oh you got married and we see all these faces and it's like oh so many people from previous conjur movies and it's just like close-ups on their faces but i kept being like where's joey king yeah she was too big for this two second where's ron livingston they couldn't get him like yeah they did get um lily wait what's her name she's awesome yeah the mom from the first one the mom from the first Lily

Sounds familiar, but I can't remember. I don't know. Tom? That sounds really right. She's fantastic. I feel bad. I can't remember. Well, what are you going to do about that?

Yeah. So we see like everybody. Everybody's like, yeah. You did it. It's your movie now. It's your movie now. This is your universe now. We're here for you.

Yeah, and Lorraine are dancing. And Lorraine tells us that I had, I had another vision. We are happy. and I saw our grandchildren and their children. And it's all, which is all going to live happily ever after. We're going to ride off on a motorcycle and we're going to live life. And he's like, that's out pretty good. And that was, that's it.

And that's it. And then we fade to black and we get some end text that says, the Smurrell family continued to live in their house for another three years. And they credit the paranormal events for strength fitting their family. Ed and Lorraine Warren were married for 50 years until Ed's health

took a sharp decline where Lorraine cared for him until his death in 2006. She never remarried and she died in 2019. While the Warren's paranormal research was not highly regarded in the scientific community,

they are still credited as being pioneers in their field for the work they did and the people they helped. That's not an exact quote but that's kind of just a vibe. That's pretty much it.

Yeah, yeah. And then that's the end of the movie. And that's conjuring last rights, dude. Did you guys... like it more than devil made me do it? Yes, I think so. I was more delighted.

I did get more scared in devil made me do it, but the like screams and moments that I had, and this were so fun. It does sound fun. Yeah, it's a fun one. Yeah, it was fun. And it actually, it went by faster than I thought it would. It did.

I was really preparing myself of like two hours and 15 minutes. No way. But then it was like, whoa, they're getting married. all right amazing because it was also like seven different stories happening

where you're like it only became a conjuring movie in the last like 20 minutes right but I recommend it it's a fun one

it's a fun time yeah and as far as we know we are not possessed by an entity yeah as far as we know you guys seem okay

as far as you know well and it was like the biggest long game so that's true watch out and it was the biggest third biggest opening weekend, right?

So it's, if you're going to be haunted, you're going to be in good company. And I got a lot of cats here. So I think it's just demons going. Yeah. Yeah, it hasn't been barking at me or anything. So I think I'm fine. Yeah.

They always know. They always know. Yeah. Wow. That was it. The smurls. The smurls. The smurls.

Sammy, what if you were, Sammy, what if you were Sammy Smurl? I know I was trying to think of what first name is like Takes the edge off Smurl Takes the edge off What would it be not a lot? Nathaniel Smurl Benjamin Smurl Benjamin Smurl

Josephina Smurl Emily Smirle Emily Smirle Betsy Smurl Betsy Smurl Betsy Smurl's too many Too many sisters Emily Smurl kind of works Emily Smurles.

Okay, I'll change my name. Emily and Joel Smurl. That sounds like it could have been the Smurl family's names. Maybe that is their names. I don't even know if we ever got them, but it could be Joel and Emily Smurl. Oh, man, that was, yeah, that was.

So that's it for out of the rain as far as we know, but we will absolutely without a fucking doubt be getting a journey and duty. They're already cranking out a script right now, I mean, with this, with that freaking 83 million opening weekend. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think so.

I think so. I wonder who's going to write it. I wonder what it'll be like. It would be fun if they took a hard left turn and it started to be more like A24 conjuring version. Like, deeply unexpected. Yes. Or lean into the seven heaven vibe.

Just lean in. that was yeah thank you guys wow thank you guys for risking your souls for us any time we'll let you know if anything weird's happening yeah we'll keep you posted please do yeah we'll all be praying for you thank you I'll be I'll be um reciting that little poem yeah yeah yeah to protect to protect pockets something dead

and we're not real push it away yeah really good we got it we got it we're going to be fine I think we're going to be fine I think we're going to be all right

thank God best of luck to those demons when it comes to us Emily just starts puking up blood oh no dang it

Betty thanks for having me thank God we had you for this episode. Thanks for working it. I'm so glad we were able to work it out. This is just my favorite. It's the freaking best.

And for any of our listeners who somehow don't know, where can they find you? And what's the latest that you got going on? Okay. You can find me on Instagram at Betsy Sedaro. You could also, I got two podcasts. One is called A Funny Feeling, where me and Marcy Jaro have our friends come on and tell us they're spooky experiences and we also do a lot of listener stories and then one with Mano Agapian called We Love Trash where we just kind of do anything and everything trashy.

We actually did a conjuring episode of what we thought this movie was going to be. Oh, that's fine. We can improvise the conjuring last rights. And did you nail it? Not enough sex scenes, but, um, interesting we did have judy have a boyfriend well there you go there we go we created romantic interest for one of the main characters

it's like we've seen a movie before aren't that something to do with like a possessed video game or something that's fun yeah well maybe that'll be tony and judy's story yeah check it out yes Thank you for having me Thank you, Betsy Thank you for being here The pleasure is always ours

We just love you Thank you Um No real voices I mean I guess The demon doesn't really say anything In this movie Uh uh huh

But I don't do they even Making it tricky for us I don't even I think at one point I do think Father Gordon answers the phone at one point And it's Judy's voice

Being demon and she says Like you can go now Father go to something like that So maybe, maybe it's just like, just like, yeah. Mom's hear it. Too scary didn't watch. Goodbye. Goodbye.

She was just kind of like, like, petty little like, mm-hmm. Maybe that was the demon and me now. It's happening. You'll never know. You'll never know. We did it. We made it.

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