Too Scary; Didn't Watch - THE LOVE WITCH with Casey Donahue and Anya Kanevskaya

Episode Date: March 26, 2025

Love potions, blue eyeshadow and how patriarchal messaging destroys us all, we're recapping Anna Biller's THE LOVE WITCH! Join us and extraordinary Headgum employees / horror-movie makers Casey Donahue and Anya Kanevskaya as we discuss this wiiilddd film.Movie & Guest Intro @ 9:45Trivia @ 27:40Recap starts @ 28:12TrailerFollow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram.Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content!Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy.Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Podcast. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi everyone. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sami and I love watching scary movies and so I watch them so that you don't have to and we have a very fun episode today that I can't wait to get into.

But before we do, I wanna ask my friends, did anything scary happen to you guys this week? I did tease over text that I had something scary to talk to you guys about this week. It's pretty minor, but I had to go to a work event on Friday, a Friday night work event, scary in and of itself. It was a long work week.

I was tired. That is scary. First time going like out, out with coworkers to a thing where we were like dressing, you know, up and stuff. Yeah, what did you wear also? Which sun picks. I'll send pics. I, this new brand that I'm working for is like,

it's so fun. I'm having a great time. I love it. I love everyone. It's like very much not my aesthetic. And so it's been like a really fun exploration for me. And like I truly was like, I don't have a single, if the dress code were like pink sparkly puff sleeve situation, I have like 12 options, but it's like,

it was like leather and like fucking hard core bitch. Like, yeah. Like sexy bitch. Like you're, yeah, sexy little bitch. 2000's bitch. And're a sexy little bitch. 2000s bitch. And so that was stressful. But the real stressful part was that it was a show for an exhibition thing. I don't even really know how to describe it, but for our art director.

And so he put this show together. Great, very talented, very cohesive. He clearly has a strong aesthetic point of view. It was a really well put together show. Wait, wait, show, what do you, like a fashion show? No, it was like, it was truly, it was like a 30 minute choreographed, it was like going to a gallery, but like,

the models were, yeah, it was like, no, they were on a stage, it's really hard to describe. It was just like, it was like a performance piece, basically. Of like him being like, here's my aesthetic, here's my vibe. So, but so the theme of the show, which is all I knew going in. Sexy little bitch.

Was called Blood Drain. And I was so fucking scared. I was like, what? I can't do this. All I knew was that it was called blood drain and it had an epilepsy warning on the invitation. And I was like, I'm not gonna make it through this. I'm simply not gonna survive this.

And I did, and it was fine. The aesthetic was like the substance meets women trapped in a basement. Which is like. Like blood going down a drain, just seeing. No, like kind of like medical horror, but also kind of like a masked man with like a really big knife

and like women walking in a straight line. It's hard to, it's just, it was, it's just not my, it's just not what I like to surround myself with and look at and be a part of. Which is not to say that there isn't value in it. It was like people fucking loved it. It was great. I just was like, I can't, if I had to describe to you,

like what's the opposite of any aesthetic I would ever want to be a part of? It would be blood drain. And so it was just really, really intense. It's a strong point of view. It's kind of like, oh, it was a horror movie and you very vocally don't like horror movies. So, distract.

And especially that specific variety. But I went and I was brave and it was a wild time and I will send to my friends, sorry, pictures and videos. But this job is just really, it's like really pushing me out of some of my comfort zones in a way that is fabulous. I'm interacting with people I've never before seen or interacted with. It's good for the brain, you know? You're so comfortable now around like women trapped in a basement.

Yeah, I wouldn't even bat an eye. Been there, done that, seen it. And that's important. Whatever. That's cool. That's so cool. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. That's a pretty cool thing that I did. How about you guys?

Anything scary? Any like medical horror sort of situations that you had to be present for? No, not really. I was just going to talk about how I don't think I even like TV anymore. That is scary. And it's just making me sad. Like I tried starting to watch The Pit on HBO and I was like, I just, I don't have it in me

to care about these people. The Well has run dry. The Well has, I finished Severance and it felt to me at the end, I was watching it on two times speed and I was like, can this go faster? I was like, could it be three times speed? Cause if so, I would like to speed it up even more.

Like these long extended shots and then all Cobell's saying is, cold harbor. And it takes like 15 minutes. Or as you heard it, cold harbor. Yeah, and I was like, faster, faster, faster, faster. And I think that maybe that's part of the problem is that it perhaps doesn't hit the same way. I know exactly.

It's a problem inside of me. It's not maybe how the filmmakers intended for the show to be watched. No, it's because my nervous system is so deeply dysregulated that I cannot consume TV anymore. Like, what is wrong with me? I've had that. It's really stressful to consume it at three

times speed. That's stressful. That's not doing your nervous system any favors faster, faster, faster, faster, faster. And yeah, I don't know. I just feel like, like I just, I just finished this book and Brooklyn. God, no, it's called Long Island. Wait, what's it called? Long Island by Coim Toybin. That's not how you say his name. Coim Toybin. Tim and I can't stop saying his name, Coim Toybin. That's definitely not how you say it.

He's an Irish writer. And the whole book, I was like, I was like speed reading it like, okay, what's, all right, there's a lot of emotion. There reading it like, okay, what's all right. There's a lot of emotion. There's a lot of depth. There's a lot of sadness. There's a lot of feelings being held back. There's a lot of missed opportunities, a lot of missed connections. And then you get to the end and it's like, okay, like that was it. The whole book the whole time, like nothing was resolved. No one learned anything. No one's going to

have any kind of a different experience. What's up with these Irish authors? I feel like that's, I've read some Irish books like that. Not by Coimbe Toybin, but. I'm sorry, I really need to figure out how to say his name actually, because I can't stop saying Coimbe Toybin. It's making me laugh so hard. Nothing's making you feel as alive as the name Coimbe Toybin, that's be loved so hard. Nothing's making you feel as alive

as the name Coim Toyman. That's what you're saying. No, before bed, Tim and I just whispered to ourselves, we turn out the light and then we go, Coim Toyman. And then we go to bed and then I feel like I can go to bed. But I don't know, content is just not hitting in the same way that it used to. And I think I might be tapped out of content these days.

So I need to find a new hobby like knitting or running for office. Oh, that's not where I expected the end of that session to go. I thought we were ending at running. Yeah, anything from knitting to running for office, something in that spectrum. Yeah, those are the options, I think. Great.

Yeah. Sami, what about you? How's your week going? My week is going okay. I am consuming content at a healthy, healthy pace. Just be careful because you might consume too much and then it doesn't work anymore. Yeah, it is a scary, it's a pretty scary thought. But I was at dinner the other night at Dan Tanna's, my first time going to a famous

LA restaurant. It was very exciting. And I was at the bar area and I heard kind of a commotion happening behind me. Everyone turned to look and I turned around and came absolutely face to face with Gina Davis. Oh, wow. Huge. What was that like?

She's so beautiful. She was so beautiful and she was smiling. It was like a very fun. It was like she was entering the room and everyone turned and smiled and she was smiling and waving. That's really a rare, I feel like for them to be like, yes, it's me.

It was very joyful. Everyone was having a good time. The waiters at the restaurant were like, Gina, thank you so much for coming. We love you so much. We love you, Gina. She's like, I love you guys so much. It's like a dream sequence from a movie about,

it's like from Pearl. Like she imagines like going through a restaurant and having her be like, wow, she's here. Also, is she like seven feet tall? I feel like Gina Davis when I think of her as being like huge, beautiful person. She was a huge, beautiful person, a huge, beautiful presence.

And yeah, just like a real, a real good celebrity sighting. Hollywood moment. Yeah, that's nice. That's really, it's really special. And it's healing. It's healing. It was healing. The world is healing. Yeah. Because of Gina Davis. Yeah. Um, but should we talk about this week's movie? Definitely. Let's do it. This week, we are going to be talking about The Love Witch came out in 2016, written and directed by Anna Biller, starring Samantha Robinson, Jeffrey Vincent, Parise, Robert Seely, Jen Keys, and Laura Waddell. It is streaming on Peacock.

And we are joined by two guests today, our friends from Headgum, Casey and Anya. Welcome to the pod. I do feel like I have to say, just to put some respect on my Irish brothers and sisters, I think it's Cullum, which is a name we all know. Yeah, probably. I think it's Cullum. It probably is. It's the Irish spellings.

They have other letters in there with the, I get it, so it's confusing. There's an inflection in a place that I wasn't expecting. And yeah, I mean, to be fair, he spells it almost no vowels, which is- He spells it like Coyne Toybin. Yeah, yeah. It's like he's like, yeah. Well, it's like, remember before we all really knew who Saoirse Ronan was.

It took a while for us to get Saoirse. We were all like, Saoirse, you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's like, it doesn't, you know. No, that's really nice. I also, sorry, I have one very fast Dan Tanna story, which is that I had a friend visiting and I was like, she hadn't seen any celebrities while she was here.

And I think she was really sad about it. And I was like, we're going to go to Dan Tanna's. You're definitely really sad about it. And I was like, we're gonna go to Dan Tanna's, you're definitely gonna see, like we'll see somebody and we're gonna have a great meal in this Hollywood moment. And it was like her last day, so it was like her last chance we went there. And the only celebrity that was there was E from Entourage.

And I was like, I did say, like I said someone would be here and he was like holding court, like it was his night because he was the only one there So he was like holding court at the bar and I was like that counts and you can go back home Anyway, sorry, I just want to be part of the intro Well, I mean and to keep you part of the intro did anything scary happen to you guys this week Casey, uh Yeah, well, yes, something scary did happen.

My neighbor's pit bull got out. Ooh, scary dog. Scary dog. They're very secretly loving, right? Yeah, that's the thing. I don't interact with the dog too much because it's not my dog. It's a bear, reasonable.

Yeah. Respectful, really. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she's kept behind the gate in the back of the driveway most of the time and she'll like, you know, bark at delivery people, but doesn't bark at me because she knows I live here. And I was coming home and saw her like out on the sidewalk and I was like, Oh no, I have to wrangle this dog that doesn't really know me and get it back behind the sidewalk and I was like, oh no, I have to wrangle this dog that doesn't really

know me and get it back behind the gate and hoping that like, hope this goes well, this new perspective, the dogs still recognize me. We're in a new dynamic now. It's me Casey, you said. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I said, it's me Casey. You know me. You love me.

But I was able to, I knew her name, Neela, and was able to call her back in and get her to the back of the house. And she was like really nervous following me. Like, this isn't how we normally interact. And I was like, no, no, no, no, it's fine. It's okay. Got down to her level.

She came up, I gave her some pets and then got her behind the gate and everything was fine but for a moment it was it was very scary yeah well done well done thank you thank you yeah you really do never know you know with any dog it's like is today the day that you decide you're an animal and I'm a threat like it's hard it's hard to say yeah yeah but it all worked out well done well done Neela, as well. Yes. Good on everyone.

Yeah. My scary thing isn't even something that happened to me, but it's happening to a friend of mine, my best friend. Do you guys ever have this happen where, and I feel like it's happened, maybe it's just like, as we're getting older and life is getting harder, but I'm like, she's having bad things happen to her in like succession in this way that's like piling up.

And you get to the point where you're like, you can no longer be like, you're being taught a lesson and just take it. Cause I'm like, okay, actually something bad. It's temporary. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, just this is a, you're learning something from this.

I'm like, it's actually horrible now. And like, you need to like go to a psychic or like smudge something. Like you're cursed. Yeah, you're maybe cursed. She got in a really bad accident, totaled her car. She's fine, everybody's fine, but like no car. She's a teacher. So she's like, can't afford a new car.

Went two days later, used car shopping, came home, her landlords met her in the driveway and were like, you have to move out in six months. And she was like, I can't, like she's been there for years, like very close with her landlords. They're trying to, they like live upstairs, now they want the whole place. Then like something, it was just like,

and then like something else, she like went and rented a sauna for the weekend for her and her brother as a gift, got there, they were like, we're booked, we're double booked, you guys have to go home. She was like, I was like, this was my one thing that was gonna make everything. And then things just keep, and I'm like, I don't know.

I literally was like, I think you have to go to a psychic now, which she wouldn't be against. It's in her nature to go to one. I think she might have one. I mean, it can't hurt, right? I'm like, something's happening, not to get too into the vibe of the movie. We just had this crazy moon, this big moon. Big crazy moon.

Okay, you're right. Big crazy planetary things. There's a planetary alignment, and then there was the full super crazy moon. Blood moon. And everyone's talking about how that's a moment of transformation. And so I feel like with your friend, because I'm a psychic now, I feel like maybe it's like the universe is telling her

like big transformation is ready. She's ready for it. That car was dragging you down. That apartment, get out of there. You don't need it. Get the fuck out. Yeah, like her beautiful car that we love, her beautiful, perfect apartment.

Yeah, it's actually making your life worse. That sauna that was gonna turn everything around for you. Okay, yeah, you're right. That was a final destination moment. I was gonna say. It's just, it could be pivot points, you know? Away from. Which is what I said the first time and the second time.

But then yeah, the third time. But then it keeps happening. I think the third time it's time, and I will transition us over to the movie. I think it's time to talk to someone who has like a connection to the spirit realm. Or maybe a demonologist. Yeah, there we go.

There we go. Which actually kind of plays a big role in the movie that Casey and I are making. Ooh, tell us about that. That word is in the script even. Yeah. What's this movie? Tell us everything.

Yeah, we're making a movie. I wrote it, I'm going to direct it, Anya's producing it. It's called My Love for You is Deep, but the Devil Loves Me Deeper. It is. What a title. Thank you, thank you. Yeah, it's inspired a lot by like old Italian horror films,

which have really long, sweaty titles. It originally had a shorter title, and then I talked to Anya about it, and we came up with this much, much longer one. That's usually how it goes during the writing process. You process you know. Make it longer, make it wordier. Lengthen, lengthen. Keep going. Add more, add more, add more. Like Henley with when she's consuming media. Yeah yeah more more more faster faster faster. That was kind of our vibe as well. But I guess yeah so yeah the it's my love for you is deep But the devil loves me deeper and it's about a girl named Alice who's going through a

Harp wrenching breakup. It's a long-term relationship and now she's like kind of on her own for the first time in her adult life and it's very scary for her and the devil himself sees Vulnerability there and offers like I can give you all the love in the world if you drink from my cup. And it very similar to the love, which draws men towards her,

but she's on a much different journey than Elaine is on the love with. She's with the devil. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She is- Communing with the devil. Communing with the devil, yeah. Hell yeah. And her best friend, so it's Alice and Frankie,

and they have a really beautiful relationship and Frankie's the only one who notices this change because she knows her friend so well. So it's really. And Frankie's investigating what's going on and how to stop it. Ooh, I love that. But yeah, it's inspired by like the old Italian jalos

and the way that they're shot, very colorfully lit and we're shooting it on old video cameras from like 20 years ago That give everything like a real nice soft glow look to it and and very similar to the movie. We're talking about today It's like we love this older aesthetic that movies used to have And trying to bring it back and shoot it in a modern world I love that. That's, I really like that so much, especially because also I'm guessing it's like

everything would be more practical. I feel like it's always more fun when everything is. It just feels different. Yeah, there's a lot of practical effects we're planning on doing. And I think, yeah, shooting it on video kind of just heightens it all in an interesting way. And we're doing it ultra low budget.

Yes. And so trying to make it for like a hundred thousand ish. And so then there's little points where we get to be like, and we're leaning in to the aesthetic, which is really nice. So it solves a lot of problems for us to have chosen this path for the movie. And then I think it's actually gonna make the movie that much cooler and more fun to watch. Yeah, hell yeah.

I agree. Ooh, I'm excited. Perfect. Casey, take it away. Well, we are currently raising funds for the movie on Kickstarter. Just this morning, we passed the $40,000 mark of our $50,000 goal.

And the campaign runs through April 4th. So we're kind of in the last stretch of it. And Kickstarter is you, if you don't get all, if you don't rate, hit your goal, you don't get any of the funding. So it's like, we gotta push, we gotta get it there. But- The rewards are really cool.

Yeah, really cool stuff. got to get it there. And also like $5 will also help us. Any nomination really is good with us. We'll put the link in our thing, but can you just say what the Kickstarter URL is? Yeah, you could go to casemakesmovies.com and it'll take you where you got to go. You can see a little teaser that we shot and watch the Kickstarter and learn more about it. Oh, it's so exciting. Yeah.

Yeah. And there's definitely some influence from this movie in our movie, which is why we were excited to revisit it. I know I watched this movie in maybe 2016, 2017, and then hadn't rewatched it until getting ready for this episode. And was like, oh yeah, and there's that thing that we want to do. And there's that theme that we're going to be exploring, which is really cool. And I think this is a great movie to take inspiration from when he came up with this. Yeah, I had never seen this movie,

but I had seen screenshots from it, and I just assumed it was a movie from the 70s or something. I did not know that it was a modern movie, which is so cool. And yeah, they did such a good job capturing the aesthetic. And it was all her, right? It was all Anna Biller. She did everything, wrote it, directed, edited, produced, And it was all her, right?

It was all Anna Biller. Like she did everything, like wrote it, directed, edited, produced, did the costumes, did the set design. It took her a really long time, but this is like her vision come to life, which I think is so cool. What is your guys' relationship to horror movies or what's your relationship to them? He's loving. Yeah, because he knows what I'm going to say. My relationship with horror movies is I love them from too young age. Maybe I remember watching The Shining on TV when I was maybe like eight or nine years old. And at the time feeling like I should not be watching this, this is for adults.

I am a young boy, what's happening? But I couldn't take my eyes off of it. And it's still to this day, like I think like the scariest movie that I've ever seen. But I love them. I love thrillers. I love the whole sort of space of feeling uneasy watching a movie. So much so that I want to make one.

Ananya has a very different relationship with them. Yeah, I'm really scared of scary movies. That's why I love your guys' show. No, I think as a, you actually reminded me, as a kid, my parents loved to talk about how I'd walk around video stores and I would laugh at all the scary covers. I thought they were really funny.

That's a good defense mechanism. That was my perspective as a kid. And then I remember I watched Firestarter with Drew Barrymore as a very young kid. And I was like, I really liked that movie. And then I think as I got older and I became a more anxious person, I was like, well, I can't be doing this. And then there's some that like, I've watched like the ones that are kind of more like thrillers over the years, like, and I would enjoy those.

But the ones with like jump scares, like that's really not for me. Can't really do too much gore, that's not for me. I love like Italian, like the movies that Casey's inspired by, cause they're more, I don't want to say like camp, cause that's like not what they were going for. Like I think they were, I don't know.

They're like, they're just like sexy weird. Exactly. You can just be along for the ride and be like this is crazy. You're aware that it's like art as opposed to feeling like oh god someone's in my house like this is going to happen to me. Totally. It doesn't feel real. It feels like a fantasy which is fun. Totally. But yeah but I'm actually like there's a lot of movies that Casey references that I'm like well I'll never be able to watch that but like I believe you that that's like important to what you're working on But I what I learned I was like maybe I'm not the right person for this job

But actually you don't need to like scary movies to make them because it's not scary to make one at all, right? You're just kind of doing it. In fact, it's the thing I love about scary movies as someone who doesn't like to watch them is that it feels like such an art form in the creation process because you're like it feels like the closest thing to like a childhood dream of like, how do we make them look like, like a foot that's like really bloody? And like, do we use syrup? Do we use like, you know, it's like, you get to be like, it's like really playing pretend. Yes. It feels like so over the top almost in a way that's like so special. Totally. Yeah.

I think I think about that a lot while watching them, which doesn't scare me all that much when I'm watching the movie, because I'm like, well, that looked like it was probably really fun to shoot, or I wonder how they mixed the blood there, or like, oh, it looks pinker than usual. And I wonder if that's like a specific choice that they did and like all that stuff.

So I get out of the movie and think about it, you know, from behind the camera a lot. Well, I'm so excited. I don't think I when I heard what you were doing for this movie, somewhere in the corner of my brain, I was like, wait, I like remember people talking about this movie. But then I similarly like and Sammy has a background right now of a still from it. And I was like, oh, right. It's like from the 60s or 70s. But now I'm remembering it would make sense if people were talking about it in 2017, that it was in fact, that's because that's when it came out. And it wasn't all of a sudden everyone was talking about a movie from the 70s.

Well, that's what I actually love about the movie. And I don't know if I'm jumping ahead, but it's so it's so clearly stylized Well, that's what I actually love about the movie. So it's so clearly stylized and shot in this way that feels like it's from another time. And then there's certain shots where you see a Toyota RAV4 go by or whatever. Because obviously she had no money to do it. to happen that way, but it also makes it feel so much weirder. Like it's so much more out of time because it's like, what's happening, what is happening? Is this real?

Is this not real? Is this a dream? Like it gives it this weird quality of like timelessness. I think it's really cool. I like that. It also. You just like the cars are a real giveaway in the movie, but it happens early on. Like I think early enough in the movie where, as you're watching it, the first

like maybe 10 minutes you are thinking like, when did this come out? When did, when did they make this? on like I think early enough in the movie where as you're watching it the first like maybe 10 minutes you are thinking like when did this come out when did when did they make this and then you see like a modern BMW and it's like okay they did this recently but it's incredible how how detailed it is and making it look like it is from the 60s or something yeah but you see the cars early enough where you're not thinking about it the whole movie. Like, how did they do this? Obviously a choice too, because they could have, there's a shot, I remember this one, she's talking outside of a house, you can see all these cars.

That didn't have to happen outside of the house. So it was a choice to do that and not cut or edit around it or not shoot towards the house so you don't see the car. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. And there's a moment later on where one of the characters has a cell phone, which also takes it out of that. It's almost like it feels like what it follows kind of does a bit where it's like, what time

are we in? I love it when you just put different time periods in it. It has a very cool effect on, or just watching it is all that much more interesting. I can add this to the list of ones that I want to see clips of. I always like, there's some horror movies where I'm always like, wait, I just want to see some of this. I don't even see all of it.

Watch it at three times speed. I'll watch it three times speed. It won't be scary at all, and it'll be over so much faster. I will say, other than the fact that there's, that she kills people, it is not scared at all. fake and heightened. I don't know how much you guys talk about the most beautiful wedding photos I've ever seen, which happened. It's changing your life. But the Love Witch has a 95% on Rotten Tomatoes, 82% on Metacritic, 6.2 on IMDB. IMDB being a little harsh because that's really high for Metacritic. Really high.

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It's a shot of her in a convertible, driving, smoking. She has very precise makeup on, blue eye shadow, and like a cat eye. Very fun aesthetically. Great outfits. The way she's like driving the car, like the way they shoot it is like with the rear projection. Like it's very clearly, she's not driving and it's like immediately you feel like, yeah, you're watching a movie from like 60 years ago. Uh-huh. Yeah, that's, I'm glad you said that because immediately I was like, how they do a like drone shot of her driving outside with a crane? Like what, then it's like, oh wait, no,

no, no, there's $200,000 budget. That's not happening. And we're getting some voiceover from her explaining that her ex-husband has died. She says something like, poor Jerry. The voiceover is all very theatrical and silly and fun. And we find out that her ex-husband has died somehow. We see intercut some shots of him. Well, first, just like saying like, I love you, Elaine, and then dying. And there's some, something has happened there. It seems like maybe she was involved in this death, but she's now just moving to a new town to start fresh and is going to be staying at her friend Barbara's

spare house. You love to have a friend Barbara with a spare house. That is so nice. There's a line where Elaine is like, and then I remembered Barbara had that spare apartment and it's like, Oh yeah, sure. Babs. And she arrives and the house is kind of maintained by a neighbor named Trish, who gets her set up in the apartment. Trish is an interior decorator and says, Barbara had me decorate this place really weird. I had to use the tarot deck as inspiration and like not my style at all. So

sorry you have to stay in this weirdly. Yeah, she's like this like British lady, right? Like she's generally has a British accent and yeah. And they go into the room and it has all these paintings on the wall of naked women doing rituals, stabbing men in the heart, taking, holding like bloody hearts in their hands. And Elaine is like, oh my God, I love it so much, it's perfect. It's like no wonder you guys are friends, Elaine and Barbara, matching in heaven.

Trish is like, really? Oh, great. And then the two of them go to a tea room together and Elaine changes into an incredible tea room outfit. Big pink hat with roses on it and this kind of Victorian. She changes outfits in basically every scene, which is incredible. The tea room set is incredible. Dying to know where that was shot, yeah.

The fact that their budget is so tight and they get these incredible sets out of not a whole lot of resources. I think she made everything herself and that's how you do it. Yeah, I guess so. You don't have to pay yourself anything. You just have to be incredibly talented.

Yeah. She and everyone in the background are wearing kind of like gunny sacks dresses, you know what I mean? yourself anything. like San Francisco's 60s. But then it's like everyone in every shot is dressed like that. And you're like, OK, that's not and that's normal. And that's what we're all doing. And then the BMW drives by and you're like, OK, OK, OK. Yeah. Just got to say, Emily and I have been to a tea room where there was a harp.

I was my favorite tea room in Los Angeles. I highly recommend. What is it? I'm just curious. What is it? It's in Pasadena. What's it called? Madeline Garden in Bistro or something like that. It's in this like very cute little house in Old Town Pasadena where they have like a harp. It's so... We love it. It's so...

Highly recommend. I'll be going. That sounds good to me. And so Elaine and Trish are talking, getting to know each other over tea. And the fact that Trish is married comes up and shows her wedding ring. Elaine is very like, oh my God, you're so lucky. You're married and a husband. This is where we hear how Elaine is addicted to love and she has a very specific theory on men. Men just need a woman to love them and take care of them. They just wanna be loved. And Trish says something like,

oh, that sounds a little strange. Sometimes Richard and I have problems and Elaine is kind of like, well, it's obviously all your fault because all you need to do is whatever it takes to make him happy. and it's pretty easy. Yeah. Yeah.

Throughout the movie, I realized watching last night that Trish is the only one with the closest to a real idea of what love is, and everyone else is like a weird approximations of like a childish outlook on love, like not at all actual love. I feel watching it. It's very fairy tale. There's a line where Trish says, husbands aren't princes and life isn't a fairy tale. She's very much like all it takes is like the magic of love and just do everything that they say and you just need to take care of them like they're children. And that's

all that's the secret to happy marriage. Does the Manosphere love this movie is like Andrew Tate, like the love which fucking rocks. I guess Andrew Tate has never heard of this movie. Also, I will say like things happen that kind of go, you know, you watch it just up until this scene and then turns it off. So after T she goes back to her apartment and performs a love spell when she has a little pentagram rug looking thing and makes us some potions and some kitchen gloves. She's wearing like big, thick yellow kitchen gloves. I don't know why it really stood out to me.

That's funny. Just like making her potion. And she lays in this center of the pentagram and basically is like, love me, love me, somebody love me type of thing. That's like Nosferatu. Yeah, like Nosferatu. Yes. And like she's from above, like over the,

when there's candles all around the pentagram and she's splayed out like this. Yeah. Like a starfish, it's very funny. And her getting into that position was also really funny. I was like, she really struggled to like not knock over a candle. Incredible.

And she looked so weird and I was like, why, I don't know why we include this book. This is, I mean, it is a very funny movie, like intentionally so. Yes. Yeah, you don't think about what it takes to get into the center of a pentagram. I mean, you have to really center yourself.

Yeah, well, and it's like, unless you have an assistant, you're the one laying those candles. So that has to come first. And then you have to get yourself in. It's like, you have to kind of scooch into position in this weird way. You have to really want it. You have to really want it.

Yeah, I saw some comments about like, this movie's so bad and the acting is so bad. And it's like, that's, it's all intentional. It's all intentionally done this way. And the performances are amazing for this movie. Like that's, they knew the assignment. Everyone is really committed to the assignment. And that was a question I had when I was watching it

was like, cause all of it, it's like, their delivery is so like melodrama, almost soap opera-y. And it was very funny to think about cause so many of these people are actors that like, we don't, you know, they, maybe our first time act, like you can just tell they're not, we've never heard of these people. I didn't look at their IMDb's, but I assume.

Incredible casting though. Incredible, they're incredible. They all have the vibe. The faces are so striking, every single person. Yes, or I was wondering who was given specific direction and who just delivered a line cold, and she was just like that. She was like, don't even try again, that is perfect.

Because it would be hard to give, which we find this when we're doing these casting sessions for our movies, hard to describe the delivery that they all give in this movie, which is both done well and so strange. Like such a strange way of even forming the words in your mouth. Like you're just like, this is so beautiful. Because that's what a lot of these old school horror movies were like. They just have this insane delivery and you're like, what is happening? And so I would love to, I wonder if anyone's ever asked her

what it was like to get these performances out of people. Yeah, yeah, I'd be curious to know that as well. So after she does her love spell, I think it must be the next day, she goes to a nearby kind of witchy store that sells spell candles and stuff like that. And she's like, I make obviously some witchy things as well. Can I sell some of my products here? So she puts some items for sale in this local witchy store. And then she goes out to sit in the

park and she sits on a bench in the middle of a park and just kind of looks around at all the men in the park. And she's got this like very seductive look as she makes eye contact with a man in the park and he's talking to another woman and just basically like turns, leaves the woman mid conversation and comes to sit next to Elaine. And he's, and that's what Casey was saying, really like all the men in the movie are like

almost classically handsome, but like have this strange like smarminess kind of to them. Yeah, they look like from another time. They look like actors from the 60s. They have kind of like shaggy hair. What's the term you, I've heard you say a lot, they've seen an iPhone, like faces? Yeah, like they don't have iPhone face.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No one's face in this movie looks like they've ever seen an iPhone. Ever heard of a cell phone? Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this man sits down next to her. His name is Wayne, and he's immediately basically in love with her. And I feel like she starts the conversation by saying like, I love to be in nature on a beautiful day. They're like in a park in the middle of the city.

Yeah. Like a very small park. Like a roundabout and then in the center, there's a piece of green grass. Yeah. I just love to be in nature on a beautiful day. Do you like to be in nature? You seem like the kind of guy who likes being in nature. And he says, why?

Yes, I actually have a cabin in the woods that I go to on some weekends. She's like, would you like to go there now with me? He's like, why yes, I would. And they get in his car. Okay, it's that easy. As the other woman he was speaking to is watching on and like, what the fuck is happening? And they go up to Wayne's cabin. She gives him something to drink. She's like, here, drink this. She pulls out a flask.

Right, right. Don't worry about what it is. And he starts hallucinating. There was some sort of hallucinogenic flower in it and she does a little strip tease for him while he's kind of tripping, but also like so attracted to her and he just is like, oh my God, this is amazing.

She takes off her coat, which has rainbow patterns inside. Yeah, it's all black, this black trench coat, and then she opens it up and it's like lined like a rainbow. It's fucking awesome. It's crazy colorful. And it has those effects like, remember those glasses that you put on and can look at lights and it does that little round,

like glowing prism thing? That's the effect that's on the screen is like just her coat with little prisms around it. And he's like, whoa, this is crazy. They have another drink. They toast again to nature. That was very funny. Amazing.

To nature. And then they start hooking up. They take it to the bedroom. They have sex, and pretty immediately she's like kind of over it. She's like, she's feeling like he's a little too needy, like he wants to cuddle or too much or something. And he's like, Elaine, Elaine, like, I love you and trying to hold her and he's like,

she's like, oh, really put off by it. And like, what this guy is. What a baby. I don't like this. She goes out into the living room and he's like so lovesick that he seems like he can't even get out of the bed. And he's just in the other room crying for Elaine, like Elaine, Elaine, Elaine.

And she's ignoring him like, ugh, this guy. And she goes in and checks on him a few times and he's getting like pale and sunken cheeks and looking like he's dying. And she's just like, oh, so put off by him. And I can't actually remember. I think he just dies from being so in love. Wow. And the potion.

Yeah. And whatever potion. But I wasn't sure if the potion was like to kill him. I guess it was. Yeah. I don't I don't I don't know if it was to kill him because Elaine like throughout is kind of talking about how like she's, she wants a husband, she wants the man, she wants Prince Charming basically. And she's using the, how'd she phrase it?

She's using sex magic to create love magic is what she's trying to do. But yeah, if he's not good enough, it's like, I just go die. Go with her and die. And the sex magic ends up killing these guys or drives them crazy because they can't handle it. I think that's the whole question of the movie is, is she doing is she like trying to figure out how to use her powers to actually get a man

or is she using her powers to kill these men intentionally from the start, because she doesn't believe that they are ever gonna be. Not to skip to the end, but I do think that's the thing that we don't. Yeah, that we won't be able to answer because. And her voiceovers are not talking about, I'm glad he's dead, but with Wayne, she is like, what a baby, I can't believe he ended up being like that.

I need a real man. Like none of this is her fault in her mind. Yes. She's the hero. They just didn't live up to her expectations of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I like that. And I will say, I think we should probably preface

that like Anna Biller's whole thing, she's like very self-identified as a feminist director and that these movies are like a cultural commentary from her feminist perspective, which I think is helpful in understanding when the main character is like, women should be like this and men should be like this. That like, there's a point being made here.

Yeah. So she finds his dead body, buries him in the yard and fills a cup with her pee and a used tampon and a little piece of rosemary or something, and buries him with it as a thing to... Offering? Offering, yeah, something for him in the next life so that she's always with him.

And then she has that incredible voiceover where she was like, did you know most men will never have seen a used tampon in their lives? And she's like, and it's nothing to be ashamed of. And that's like, she's just saying that like as she's putting the rosemary with it and burying it. It's so funny. Just so casually burying this man. It's very funny to just like leave a crime scene with multiple bodily fluids of yours next to the corpse. Whatever they might need. And her own, the coat, the rainbow coat also leaves it there.

She's not concerned at all with that a crime has just happened. She's just like, all right, time to go home now. I do have to say I did turn to my boyfriend immediately and say, well, have you ever seen a used tampon? He was like, yeah. He was like, we've lived together for four years. Casey, I won't put you on the spot, but I will ask offline. Anyways, keep going.

I have seen more. Okay, so that's not true either. That's also just part of the lore of the movie. So she goes back home. Trish comes over to check in on her. And Trish tells her that she's going out of town for a work trip. The way she says it is also very funny. She's like, well, I came up here to say goodbye.

And then just like ends right there. And Elaine is like, where are you going? And she says, oh, just a work trip, just to Dallas for a couple of days. A furniture convention in Dallas. And Elaine is like, where are you going? And she says, oh, just a work trip, just to Dallas for a good change. A furniture convention in Dallas. And Elaine says, is Richard going with you? She says, no, it's just a work trip. And we see Elaine like having shifty eyes, like she's getting ideas.

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the town is like, doesn't trust the witches. They know there's witches here. They know witches have lived here for a long time, but they're like, they're always up to no good. Another dead body must be those witches. Makes sense. Yeah, Yeah. They're not wrong. Yeah. Can't fault their logic there. And Elaine meets with some of her witch friends. We meet Barbara and their vibe is so funny. Barbara's, I love Barbara.

Barbara's so funny. Her line readings are some of the funniest in the movie. Like she's the one that feels the most modern in her presence. She has a little iPhone face. Yeah, she has a little iPhone face, but like she's not trying to be of the 60s era in her performance. It's still a very stilted on purpose performance, but it feels like she's just reading the lines to everybody. Totally. There's like a part at the end where she's reading like a ritual thing and like the

lines are like, if ye want to da da da da and she does it like a person who's like, if ye want ba ba ba. Exactly. Yeah. Like she almost has like a valley girl accent and it's so funny. And it's just like, there's not even a hint of like mysticism around the way she's delivering it. She's not even giving it like a height. She's just like reading it. It's so great. Incredible. And Elaine tells Barbara the bad news that she thought she had found the one, but it turns out he couldn't handle it. And Barbara says it must be all the love and great sex that you were giving him was just too much for him.

She says, yeah, that probably was it. And we see some other witches. There's a girl's dancing named Star and Moon. And we're getting this sense of like, there's this little coven in town and they all know each other. There's a man named Gahan and his vibe is crazy. He like greets Elaine and is like, "'Elaine, how wonderful.'" They have a, I can't, I didn't write it down,

but they have like a witchy greeting that they say to each other. That's like- Yeah, they're like bountiful blessings, or is that how they say goodbye? Bountiful blessings, something like that. It's incredible. And then he leans down and kisses her belly

in greeting. Hmm. And Elaine doesn't seem, like, too stoked on it, but it's like... He's wearing, like, a cloak. Like, he's always... Like velvet something, yes. Yeah. And has, like, a goatee, like, yeah.

Very unsettling kind of vibes from him, I have to say, which I think is the point. Yes. And I can't remember what they... They're all just... catching up, I have to say, which I think is the point. Yes. And I can't remember what they, they're all just catching up, I suppose. And then meanwhile, we see at a police station, they are, you know, investigating this death, Wayne's death. At the police station is one of my favorite parts of the movie too. Like all the cops are just so hot. There's one female cop and so we have Griff is the main detective on the case and he's

just been promoted I think. So the scene starts with him walking in. He looks like Prince Charming. He has the jawline of the hair waved in such a way that he's just looks exactly like a Prince Charming, smiling, he's gotten promoted. This woman cop is like, congratulations, Griff. And she's stunning.

And she's like, it's so funny. She's like, maybe we should get dinner tonight. And he's like, it's like, it's so funny. Maybe we should get dinner tonight. And he's like, sounds great. Uniform is like so tight. Like her cop shirt is like teeny tiny and she looks incredible. And she like makes him, she's also a cop but she also has to make him coffee

and she makes it really well. Yeah. Yes. And so then he's like, wow, you make it so good. And then he was like, how do you like the coffee? And the other guy was like, it's too strong for me. And I was like, what is this? What is happening here? What is the story we're telling with the coffee?

Cause he made, it's just right for the main detective. Just like a whole subplot about the coffee strength. And the love triangle. Well other people can't handle how strong it is. Yeah, exactly. Cause he's the strongest, strongest man. He's the strongest cop. He says, I like it strong.

That's right, yeah. And I feel like that the whole cop, the like police station and everything that happens there feels very like 90, like that feels taken from the 90s, like NYPD blue or something like that. Some like Miami vice like cop, like that's the energy of all of them. Yes.

Which is funny as well. Yeah. And then the woman that we saw with Wayne that Wayne just ditched for Elaine, has come into the police station to give some information. So as I saw this woman, he got in a car with this woman. Apparently this happened two weeks ago. And she tells them that she can take them to the cabin in the woods that he sometimes goes to. So I guess they haven't found his body yet. I don't know what they were talking about at the bar because at the

bar, I think he like went missing or something and they're like, it must be. Well, yeah, he went missing, but at the bar they were talking about a different body unrelated to the movie. I don't even think I realized that. That's I guess why I was a little confused. Yeah, they found a body in the river that had like a pentagram like carved into it, which is why I was like, must be those witches. That's so true. And again, that's kind of a one plus one equals two situation.

Yeah, it's totally fair. I get that. But yeah, she doesn't carve a pentagram into Wayne at all. We saw her bury him. So it's like totally unrelated. That's so funny. Yeah, someone, one of his star moon or whatever, one of the other girlies.

Which is kind of confusing. Yeah. Yep. So this woman's name is Shelly and Shelly goes with the cops to the cabin in the woods, which I found very funny. Protocol. Yeah.

He's like, all right, let's all just hop in the car together and head to this potential crime scene. They immediately spot the grave. It is not hidden at all. It's basically like greeting them just this pile, freshly, freshly buried grave. Yeah. He's not like buried underground. It's like there's dirt over him.

And Shelly is just walking up with them to it like, oh, and they'd say maybe she shouldn't be here for this. They're like, oh, we shouldn't have brought her. It's crazy. Why is she here? Shoot. So they find the cup of pee and tampon and rosemary. It's my favorite line in the movie.

The cop finds a tampon and he's like, what is this? He's like, I have no idea what this is, which is perfect. Just like set up and punchlines, gorgeous. So good. And so they go inside all the food inside is rotting and they have some clues. They have this there again, like seems like kind of witchy. But then we cut back to Elaine, who is so kindly offering to cook dinner for

Richard while Trish is out of town. He tells her their 10 year anniversary is coming up and she's just like, so doe-eyed, like, oh my God, like that's so amazing. Nobody's ever loved me the way that you love Trish. Oh my God. She's filling up this enormous wine goblet. It's so gigantic. It's like a Las Vegas size like joke cup.

He could wear it around his neck, just like being asked why he asked. And he's just like. He doesn't question it. It's just drinking, mm-hmm. He doesn't question it. It's just drinking out of this cup. And they sit on the couch together and she says, so Richard, tell me what turns you on? Right. Small talk.

Very normal small talk. And through this conversation, he's like, nobody's ever asked me that before. And he says it's flying airplanes, he's a pilot. He's like, there's just something so erotic about flying through the air. You love to know that your pilot is getting horny for doing their job. Honestly, that's like best case scenario.

I'm like, he's really dedicated. It's really locked in. Yeah, he is going to land this plane safely because he's sexually attracted to it, which is fine by me. No harm shall come of anyone, yes. And Elaine, of course, mirrors this and is like, oh my God, that is extremely sexy

and I'm pretty turned on too now that you mention it. And I can't believe your wife has never asked you this. She must not understand you in the way that I do. And he says, yeah, and sometimes I feel like life is slipping away from me and I haven't even done anything mischievous or fun, like having a fair or anything like that. And she's like, oh, you haven't? Like, that's no good at all. And then I think just starts doing one of her sexy dances again. And he gets the same just obsessed look in his eyes

that we saw in Wayne's eyes. He's powerless. He's powerless in this situation. She's so stunning, so beautiful doing the sexy dance. Yeah, he's like almost a cartoon character, like eyes bugging out. Yeah, without those sound effects and the literal eyes popping out,

he is kind of sitting there like, ah, I can't believe this. And I will say when she's like walking down the street to go to the apothecary shop at the beginning, every man is like one, like literally turning the whole body to look at her. Like every man she passes is like, oh my God. In a very cartoony way, it's very funny.

Yeah. So they hook up, I believe they have sex. She tells him, she says, I'm the love witch. Yes, yes, you are. We go back to the detectives. They've found someone who knows about witches. They're consulting with this guy, probably, perhaps a demonologist. I can't remember what. Yeah, I believe he's a professor. I can't remember what the professor. And they show him the pee tampon cup and he's like, oh yeah, this is definitely riches. Should have just brought it to the burlesque bar.

They would have told us about the same thing. That's what the experts are. And he says there's some like black magic cults. I didn't really write down much of what he says there's some like black magic cults. I didn't really write down much of what he says, but... Yeah, he kind of goes off talking about like black magic and I think like white magic and just like, oh, there's all sorts of different kinds of witchcraft. And he says like Wiccans like commune with the Earth

and the air white magic. But he's like, witchcraft has like was gone for a long time, but now it's back in cities. Which is really funny. the earth and the air white magic. But he's like, witchcraft has like was gone for a long time, but now it's back in cities. He was like in cities specifically, there's a lot of black witches and white witches. And we've gotten little glimpses of this coven doing rituals where they're like naked around a fireplace, very culty looking. And we see one of the rituals. I have no idea what they're doing, but it just seems like you do.

I have my prop. I'm ready for my prop. I remembered while watching this movie, sorry I'm interrupting the flow of the retelling, but this is relevant here. When I drove to LA, when I moved to LA, I stopped at my friend's house in Berkeley and he had this book on his coffee table and then he let me just take it because I was obsessed with it. And now watching the movie, I was like, right, so she read this book and that's what she's,

I mean, obviously it's like the Wiccan imagery is like, so like it's a certain thing, like it's not, but it's this book called What Witches Do. Wow. And there's like a section, I mean, it's really like a, it's like a section, I mean it's really like a, it's like a how-to, like it's not like, there used to be, it's like this is how you do, but there's literal shots in here that are like

in the movie. Oh wow, yeah it looks just like that. Yeah. Oh that's so cool. The witches are all kind of styled the way she styles the witches, which like of course, cause that's when this book came out. Right. Yeah, a lot of naked, hot that's when this book came out. Right.

Yeah, a lot of naked, hot naked babes in here. Wow. Yeah, so this is by, let's see, What Witches Do by Stuart Farrar, who I think is like a Wiccan author. Cool. Oh, I want that book. Love that. There's also a pen, I just, the book cover just came off

and I realized there's a black on black pentagram on the front. So we can all, we'll have, when we all see each other in real life. We'll we'll read this together. Great. Perfect. So, yeah, we just see them doing their little ritual and I Barbara is kind of the main part of it. And I just had to say you can see her nipple covers and I just love it when you see the nipple covers and movies like reminds me it happens in Vampire's Kiss. And so I just I just liked it.

You mean the little tassel thingies? No, like when it, because their hair is long and so it's covering. Of when you can see, yes. But they have just like a flesh colored sticker essentially. I see. It's like how when I am excited, I can tell that an actor has a cold.

It's just like a little reminder. Breaking the wall a little bit. Yes, it's just a little peek, a little peek in. I love it. It's just like a little reminder. Breaking the wall a little bit. Yes, it's just a little peek, a little peek in. I love it. Yes. That's really funny. So back to Elaine, she's talking to Barbara, I think, where she tells him that she had to break it off

with Richard because he became like a woman. Right, right. Just like so obsessed with her and same thing just so turned off by how much he's a little child. All of these men she keeps saying poor baby, poor baby. That's like her line to them, which is really funny that she's like, he's just such a baby. It's like, you looked at that. And we see Richard at home with Trish now back from Dallas. And he's just writing love letters to Elaine, being like, Elaine, where have you gone?

Why won't you answer my calls? Trish comes down the stairs behind him and he like covers it up. It's like, and she says, are you coming up to bed? And he's like, no, no, not now. I need to keep working on something. And she's like, all right. And then he just bursts into tears

and is like sobbing in the living room. And Trisha's just like, this is weird and goes up and goes to bed. Okay. She's like, I'm gonna take a pill. Right. Okay. She's like, I'm gonna take a pill. Right.

The detectives, I think go to the witchy store and inquire, they bring the pee jug, which they don't empty out ever. I feel like, yeah, it must be. Sloshing around in there. At this point. And ask if they've ever seen anything like it. She says, yes, we have a woman that actually just like came and sold us some of these and gives them a similar bottle, like potion bottle that has Elaine's name and she's like nervous, but also I feel like

immediately notices that this cop is hot and is still trying to be like, hmm, maybe this guy could be the one. And he asks her about witchcraft. She says, is there a law against being a witch? Witchcraft is my religion. And she gives this very emotional speech about how it saved me and just is so important to me and kind of tells this sob story in a way that now makes him apologizing to her. And he's like, I'm so sorry. Of, of course you can be a witch. It's totally fine. And then he gets a little wrapped up in the spell and we're starting to see his eyes get a little wider and he somehow invites her to go ride horses. Yeah. Yeah. I think she's like, again, I think she's like, do you like nature? Right? And he's like, yeah, I think she's like, do you like nature? Right?

And he's like, yeah, I should have these horses if you want to ride them. Yes. As a matter of fact. The line he says to her is like, do you like to ride a lane? So they go out and ride some horses immediately. It seems like they just do it like right from then. He's like, I guess I'll clock out now and we'll go ride some horses. And they look amazing. Yes. The horse scene is beautiful. Both in full riding gear.

Yeah. So like white and riding boots and stuff. It's incredible. Oh, God. It's so funny. And as they're riding through the woods, they hear some music and stumble upon a Renaissance fair looking thing, really shoestring put together. Like a rinky-dink kind of a Renaissance fair. There's like tents around. For just six people or so. And we recognize some of these people as the other members of the coven. And Elaine acts like,

oh, this is also unexpected when it seems like maybe she did kind of know that this was going to come. She knows everyone there. Yeah, she knows everybody. She kind of led them right to it. And the Renaissance fair people, coven people are immediately like, oh my God, it seems like you two are such a beautiful couple.

We must have a wedding. And he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, a wedding. And they're like, well, a mock wedding, of course. He's like, oh, a mock wedding, okay, we can do that. And everyone is just so delighted by their love. It's so clear that you guys are in love. They just met yesterday. He was he was asking her about the murder. Then the next day, they're like, you guys are so in love.

She's very powerful. Yeah, she's very powerful. Also, his reaction is really funny because it's like, I think he even may say that maybe just his delivery, but it's like, I don't know if I'm ready for all that. Like, it's a very like, like when you ask a guy, like should we be exclusive? It gets his reaction where he's like, I don't think, and then as soon as they say mock wedding,

he's like, well sure. And it's just immediate, like he's like, oh, if it's just a mock wedding, then I'm gonna, but then he's like still so in love with her. It's such a weird, his character's so funny, so funny. It's very funny. And so they do their little wedding ritual, wrap like ribbons around their hands.

And I think at some point we get voiceover from Griff, the detective, who talks about how like love isn't real, kind of like he is kind of against all of it. Yeah, all the men have like these weird voiceovers that kind of cut between Elaine's voiceovers about love and then the men all, yeah, kind of all allude to like, well, like love is great, but like, it's not real or like to the effect of that.

Like this isn't, it's not like something to really invest into. Or their mindset is very strange. Yeah, and he says something like, I've seen men at the police station get shot from falling in love and going soft. Like love makes you weak, essentially. Right, right, right.

Oh, so maybe this will be the perfect eye for her because she doesn't want a baby. Yes, we're hearing her VO now, she's getting more obsessed with him. She's like, well, he is perfect, he's the one. I love him so much. And yeah, has a few moments of cutting between their VO of him being like, yeah, I don't know,

and her being like, oh God, I love him, I love him, I love him. Wow, this is such a brutal commentary on like what it's like to try to have a relationship right now in the world, where it's like women are like, I'm just gonna love. And men are like, oh God, this is so, this is like actually blowing my mind, kind of, the dynamic that's being talked about.

But I'll let you finish the film before speaking too much about it, because who knows, who knows what's happening. No, no, I think you're onto something there. I think that's being talked about. But I'll let you finish the film before speaking too much about it. I did write down a couple of things. He says, the more you know a woman, the harder it is to care about them. I'm obsessed with that line. She's like, yeah, that's the only way I can love you as long as you're not loving me too much. Right, every man who wants her, she's like, ew, that's actually not right. She's like, I'll kill you, you're a baby.

Yeah. Oh, I hate this. And yeah, he thinks if they get married. Don't worry, they all die, it's fine. Married, for real, it feels like you're suffocating, drowning in estrogen. He's like, yuck, yuck, yuck, don't want that. Yeah.

Back to the tampon of it all. Yeah, yeah. So his partner back at the station is still trying to solve this case. And he goes back to the station and just like, oh, headquarters told us to drop the case, seems like. Leave the witches alone. Leave the witches alone.

They were here before we were, I think he says. It's just so funny. So we're just gonna turn a blind eye to this case and the partner's like, what? But someone was murdered and he's like, I don't care about that anymore. And the partner knows that he's gone on a date with Elaine and so he's kind of like,

well, your judgment is clouded, obviously, you're having, getting feelings for this woman. And Kriff turns and punches him in the face. He's like, get off my back. And just fully punches him. Real cartoon punch too. Yeah, with like a cartoon sound effect. It's like, you kind of like punches just like that.

Knocks him on the ground. And he's like, whoa. Then we see Trish at home calling out for Richard. Can't find Richard and sees the bathroom doors open, goes in, pulls back the shower curtain. Richard has committed suicide. Oh wow. Is again, just so heartbroken, so in love

that he couldn't stand to live in this world anymore. Trish goes, they go back to the Victorian tearoom, her and Elaine, and Trish is now wearing all black and everyone else is again wearing these like pinks and bright yellows and she's in mourning. So she's wearing like a black tea room outfit and obviously doesn't know that Elaine had anything to do with this. And so she's just confiding in her and she's saying, you know, maybe you were right about

everything. Maybe I should have just had sex with him more or something, like, I don't know. And Elaine is kind of like, yeah, maybe. Jesus. That's definitely it. And then Trish, pretty quickly after her husband has committed suicide is like, well, but enough about me. Like, how have you been? Oh, God. And Elaine jumps right in. Immediately like, I, but enough about me. Like, how have you been? Oh, God. And the lane jumps right in. Immediately like, I'm in love. She's like, well, funny you ask, I'm in love.

I'm having a great time. I'm engaged. The guy's perfect. The happiest I've ever been. Yeah. It's so funny. And Trish is putting on a brave face, like, I'm so happy for you. That's amazing.

Really good friend. Trish is the only pure good character. Yeah, and then Elaine is like, well, I have to go right now, sorry, rushes out. And at some point, yeah, she had shown her the ring that she got from Griff, I guess, but I don't remember that scene happening. Yeah, that happened like off screen for some reason.

Yeah. And she leaves it behind. So Trish tries to call after her. Oh, you forgot the ring, but Elaine is already gone. She pulls out her cell phone and calls Elaine, says, you left your ring behind. Don't worry. I'll come by and I'll drop it off. don't worry, I'll come by and I'll drop it off. So Trish, after T, heads over to Elaine's apartment, lets herself in, she has a key. So she goes in and at first she just puts the ring on a countertop somewhere. Then she kind of has a little look like, maybe she'll look around a little bit. You know, she's in a weird headspace. Her husband has just committed suicide. So she's just like, feeling a little envious of Elaine's life and sits down at her vanity, puts on her lipstick

and some of her eyeshadow and then opens a drawer, finds like a lingerie set, puts that on. He puts on. I don't think we've even mentioned, Elaine's wearing a wig the whole time. Yeah. And she's got the wig on the vanity set on a mannequin head that's like a vintage mannequin head

with vintage makeup painted on it. Very fun. But then yeah, she puts the wig on that Elaine wears. Yep. Yeah, so like Elaine, long, long dark hair. Trish has like short, like... Red hair. Red hair, yeah.

And then she's like gets this wig on and looks interesting. She's single white female in this movie. Yeah. And then she notices some framed photos of men, one of her ex-husband, one of Wayne, and kind of follows this trail of papers and really like explicit sexual drawings and different spells that have happened that Elaine has written and follows into this drawer, I think, where she finds a framed photo of Richard. And she had mentioned to Elaine

that she felt like there was another woman and that that was what had led to this. And so- Oh no. What really sealed the deal was when she opened the drawer and saw the photo and then like pulled out like the specific items used for the spell and a big scroll that said, love spell for Richard.

Sure. That'll make it clear. Yes. She really spells it out. Yeah. Nice. At this moment, Elaine returns to the apartment, has this very deer in headlights look of like, uh-oh. She found it.

I think they get into like a physical altercation. Yeah, she's sneaking up on her, like holding it like a dagger. Yes, she has a dagger and she is planning to kill Trish, seems like Trish turns around, lunges at her, wig flies off. I was gonna say, she's still wearing her lingerie and wig. Yes. Hell yeah. And she says, she says, skank, you'll burn for this.

No. Wow. Really had to write that one down. And they're fighting and then Trish gets up to leave. I can't remember how the fight ends, but yeah, she's basically just angry and storms out. And then immediately Elaine starts trying to do a little spell and she's like, crash, crash, die, die, die. She's like, she's, I think probably rightfully assuming

that Trish is like going to the police. And so she's just like, crash, crash, crash, die, die, die. Yeah, that's really good. You're like, oh, that's all, that's the whole spell. You just say the thing you want to happen. Yeah, we can all do that. Yeah. So then I think they go back to the bar

and people are talking about the murder and suicide and I think more suspicion about the witches. And then we go to the police station again and the DNA has come back from the lab. I was pleased to hear that they did do a DNA test. It seemed like they weren't really going that route. They were kind of just asking around, but they did get the DNA test back and Trish had come to the station. So Griff goes now to confront Elaine, all signs pointing to Elaine as the reason for Wayne's death. And I don't know if they've tied Richard's death to her yet, but Griff

knows that Elaine is responsible for these. So he storms into Elaine's apartment and says, I know what you did. Elaine says, I didn't kill anybody. Wayne died of a broken heart and Richard killed himself. I didn't do anything. He is saying, well, whatever you did led to their deaths and we're going to find something out. What does he say? They'll be able to arrest her for something. I can't remember what it is, even if it wasn't murder. Oh yeah. Yeah. It was like a wrongful burial or something. Oh yeah. Illegal burial. An improper burial. And then they'll find out more. Oh, but this is at the bar. This

isn't at our apartment because they're surrounded by all the people who hate witches and they're now kind of hearing this conversation. Right, okay, I forgot about this part, which is very important that the patrons at the bar realize that this group are witches, that she's a witch, and the people that she, I think Barbara and Gaeon are there as well. Sorry, and don't you feel like Barbara, Elaine,

and then the waitress at the bar that keeps talking about them, all kind of look the same? Yeah, similar dark hair, similar sort of makeup. Very similar coloring. And so I kept being like, is that something we're supposed to be paying attention to? Anyway, maybe, I don't know. And they also all kind of look like the director. Oh, interesting.

If you Google her, she looks like all three of them kind of combined. Cool. So the patrons at the bar just decide that they have had enough with these witches, right? Don't they just start attacking them? Start like, I think just chanting, like, burn her, burn her. Oh, wow. And then they, like, grab her and start, like, attacking her. This is where it starts getting, like, for the first time in the film,

uncomfortable and, like, something really bad's gonna happen. Because, like, the men are, like, starting to undo their pants. And then Griff starts punching them and fighting them off and takes Elaine and they escape in the car. He's like, not gonna let that happen to her. But it is for a moment, like, oh boy, oh, where are we going? Yeah. So yeah, then go back to her apartment

and have another confrontation where he tells her, you have a personality disorder. And she's trying to make him a love potion. He is not having it. Yeah. She's again saying, poor baby, poor baby. And don't worry, everything's gonna be okay because I love you.

And he has this look in his eyes like he just absolutely loathes her. And it's a very funny performance. He's just like, oh, I hate you. And I think she kind of realizes, she has like visions of her past lovers and she kind of realizes like, oh, this isn't working. He's not...

Yeah, she offers him the potion and he like throws it on the floor. He's like out of the spell, basically. Yeah. And then he lays down on the bed. Like he's so tired all of a sudden. He doesn't really know why he lays down, but he kind of just like, it's like he's having, it is kind of like he's having a little tantrum. Like he just like lays down like grumpily and she grabs her little dagger and gets on top of him and stabs him. Again, very like soap opera-y.

Yeah, it's cutting back and forth between like the painting on the wall of like a woman holding a heart with a bloody dagger. So it's like cutting quickly between that and like the stabs in the guy's chest and then like flashes of her dead husband and like a skull over Griff's face. I think his name, which is so funny. Yeah, Jerry. So it's like, now it's like really,

it's like very patient throughout the whole movie is patient and there's like dissolves, but now it's like kind of quick cutting as she's stabbing him, bringing the prolific painting to life. Mm-hmm. Wow. And yeah, the blood is like bright red,

that kind of costume blood. And as she's looking at the painting and seeing herself like replicating the action in the painting, she's kind of smiling and then starts picturing her and Griff getting married, I think. There's visions of them having their wedding. Yeah, I couldn't tell if it was a fantasy of a real wedding or she's just reminiscing on the fake mock wedding that they had.

Right, yeah, yeah. Because they are in all white robes, sort of, which is what they were wearing at the mock wedding and they put like crowns on them. But it wasn't the exact same outfit, right? I think it is a little different. Because I was so sure she was fantasizing about this life she doesn't have with him.

But I didn't even think that she's just thinking, remembering. I kind of saw it like all kind of wrapped up in one. Sure, sure, fair, fair. Like she had that mock wedding and she's imagining the real version of it. And it's all kind of- Which will never be. Fantasy is like based on that.

Yeah. Yeah, and this is all done in, there's no music in it. And it's just kind of the sounds it's as they're like walking around in their wedding gowns on the lawn or what you just hear like the crunchy footsteps. It's like a very silent and weird, weird and just like kind of unsettling and you're just like, what is happening? And that's the end of the movie. And credits. Yeah. Holy shit.

Okay. Wow. Let's unpack it, you guys. I will say too, this reminded me that I think Annabella also did the score. Oh, really? No way. Yes, which is like a very weird like 60s soundtrack. And then every once in a while is the couple

notes of Fur Elise very faintly. Yeah. Which is so strange. You're just like, whoa. That's so cool. Okay, unpack. Wow, that was surprising, I guess. So I don't know. I mean, to me, I guess it's a story about like how culture and media has distorted our

perception of what it means to actually like care for others and have connections with others and also how like internalized misogyny fucks all of us. Because her idea of what it means to be loved is like dependent on another person not loving her. Yeah. And that is never gonna work. Oh, it's too real you guys. Emily's in a dark space.

She's back in the blood drain. I'm at blood drain, there's still a dark space. She's back in the blood drain. I meant blood drain, there's still a blood drain. Yeah, it's also like, I think I was expecting the message just like from the imagery on called the love witch to be like really empowering, but she is like. That's what I'm grappling with too. She's not empowered. Like she is, like her ideology is, still really regressive and fucked.

Yeah. And she's not at all, I mean, not that, she's not innocent in any way, but she's not even innocent in the sense of, like, you can, I don't know, you can still be, like, a moral compass in some direction in this arena, but she's, like, not a good person in any way. And you don't ever have the sense that she's going to change.

There's like no point in the movie where you're like, oh, there's going to be like growth and learning. Like it's just like a satire and none of the characters are realistic. But they're like, well, they're like ramped up versions of these ideas. And in the movie, you're not like expecting like, where's this going to go? And like, is she going to learn a lesson? You're, I feel like I kind of was like tuned in. And I think it's like the lesson she learns is that like, or it's not even a lesson she learns.

I think it's something that she knows the whole time and she just keeps recreating, which is like, she wants the perfect man, the fantasy that she has of the way the world is, which is women are like this, men are like this, doesn't exist, so she has to keep killing these men that disappoint her and it's just never gonna stop because that's either the way the world is or the way she imagines the world is,

depending on how you look at it. Well, and there is this like coven of like powerful women, but they can still only do their magic within like the parameters of the system itself, which is like men are like this, women are like this. This is what you can want. Which I feel like is really saying something. Yeah. You're like, you can have your own politics,

but the world that exists around you is the world that exists the way it is. Right. And change is very slowly, if at all. Yeah. You're like, you can have your own politics, but the world that exists around you is the world that exists the way it is. And change is very slowly, if at all. Yeah. Also, the coven seems to be led by a man. It is like, gay and is like kind of in charge. But then she's like the queen, right? They could be like, this is the queen, the woman who gives the, it's Barbara, right? That does the whole like, yeah, that they're like, and this is our queen.

This she's the one, but and she like delivers yeah. They're like, and this is our queen. She's the one, and she delivers this crazy address. Yeah, I'm fascinated by this. I do want to see it. And also just like the idea that we're fed this messaging over and over and over again, that you want to be like the hot, powerful woman. You want to be the woman who's walking down the street and all the men are like,

oh, you are like, wow, wow, wow. But it's like that in this telling of it is absolutely horrible for everyone involved. It's not good for any, no one's enjoying that at all. Yeah. At all. Right. Or like she uses it to get what she wants for a day. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Not even, she never even gets what she wants for longer than like a few minutes,

it feels like. Yeah. So I wonder what Anna... Anna Biller. Biller? Yeah, what's she up to now? Let's look. She's been working on something for a few years.

I mean, this came out in 2016 almost a decade ago now. But I've read that she is working on something else. And I assume if she's doing all the work like she did on this, it's probably gonna be something equally as like, wow, how did they pull this off? What an interesting feat of filmmaking. It is amazing.

That's really. Wait, she's married to, or she's partner is Robert Green? Yes. Who wrote the Art of Seduction, The 48 Laws of Power. Are you reading his Wikipedia? Because I read it during the movie last night. I had to stop the movie to read the whole thing out loud.

I'm reading it right now. I'm looking at it right now. So I'm going to read this. Please. He has written seven international bestsellers, including The 48 Laws of Power, The Art of Seduction, The 33 Strategies of War, The 50th law with rapper 50 cent, mastery, the laws of human nature and the daily laws. Wow.

I'd never really heard of the 48 laws of power. I think that it was published in 1988. It was an international bestseller that talked about a guide for anyone who wants power, observes power, wants to arm themselves against power. And I guess it's in like a lot of rap songs. Like it's in a song by Jay-Z, Kanye West and Drake. Like they all reference it in songs. Yeah, like who was using this? Fidel Castro, it says green claim,

former Cuban president Fidel Castro wrote both. And then he collaborated with 50 Cent on like a book about strategy and fearlessness. This is crazy. I was obsessed with it. This is a fascinating couple. This is so interesting. Wait, also, sorry, just in December, 2024,

Spotify announced that The 40th Closet Power was the sixth top audio book on their platform globally. Okay. Oh my, Drake's producing a cinematic series on the book? You guys. Oh my God. What a complicated. Yeah, I'm obsessed with this.

He was like, he was like born in Los Angeles. I think he's a lot older than she is, which is like cool. I just obsessed with their relationship. I think she read a lot of self-help books when she was inspired to make this movie. Cause in a lot of like female self-help books, I think it was like, this is just what I'm reading on like such a cursory research.

I'm like on Wikipedia a cursory research. It said something about how when she was going to make this movie, relationship self-help books, one particular piece of advice stuck with her was that if a woman wants to keep a man around, she should love him less than he loves her. It's just interesting that she's partnered with a self-help book. I don't think he writes any self-help books like this, but maybe there's gotta be a connection. That's really fascinating. Yeah, what are their conversations like? What are their dinnertime conversations like?

Probably really heady. I like don't talk over dinner, I watch Netflix. No, but imagine them arguing. I feel like they could get into some crazy arguments, these two. Yeah. Wow, could get into some crazy arguments, these two. Yeah. Wow. If you want to keep him in, you have to love him less than he loves you.

That's crazy. That's really sad. Sorry. To be clear, I think she's like making a movie that's a commentary on how that's not. This is not good advice for women. I feel like we are. Yeah. I'm assuming your listeners are like with you on your perspective, but I felt like I had to say that.

No, yeah, we don't agree with that. And neither does Anna Biller, I guess is what I'm saying. Like Anna Biller, she would join this recording and be like, I'm with you girls, we are all lined on this. But that also is a very familiar to me. I feel like that's something that's like messaging, whether it's been said explicitly or not. Don't be too needy, give him his space.

Right. And I even remember... Be kind of aloof, just like sexy and unknowable. Yeah, that's like in Cosmopolitan magazine, I'm sure. Yes, exactly. I remember having an internship in college. I was like a freshman in college and at my internship, I remember the person who was like my boss, whatever,

she was like 25, she was getting married. And I remember her telling me, she was like, my She was getting married and I remember her telling me, she was like, my biggest advice is just to marry someone who just loves you so much. That's the most important thing. Just find someone who loves you. Your feelings about them don't matter as much. Yeah, literally.

And it was like, and I remember being like, oh no, are you okay? Are you gonna be okay? I remember someone I went to college with having read one of those books that was like how women can, I don't know, essentially control men into liking them. And she was like, one of the tips that I read that was so interesting is when they call you tell them you have to call them back because you're painting your nails. Because it's like makes them feel unimportant. Like the nails are more important. And I was like, that is so upsetting.

This is the problem. This is the crux of all of our problems. Casey, did you get any advice like this going up at all? No, but I could tell you from the male perspective or like how men talk about relationships these days, is like I have noticed that I like the term partner. I think that's the best way to look at a relationship is we are partners together making this relationship work. Interesting.

A lot of men don't like that term partner. Oh, and it's, it's, I feel like a real disconnect. Like they don't like referring on social media or like your friends. I see it on social media. I don't, luckily don't have friends like this. I was just like going through the people that I like friends of Casey's and I'm like, well, I'm gonna have a talk with them. Yeah, yeah. No, this is, this is each of them online. You mean online? Yeah. This is, this is boy, tick tock. When I see the boy tick tock stuff and, uh, but it is like scary. Don't call them partners. They're girlfriends. It's white. You should be able to switch algorithms. I want to be able to switch

into the boy tick tock algorithms so I can like see what everyone else has seen. Casey, start sending us to this group chat. Start sending these TikToks and we'll start commenting. Give you dispatches from boy TikTok. No, no, no, send the TikTok so we can go comment and kind of course correct what's happening there. Yeah, we need to get in there. It feels like not dissimilar from the like, put the Christ back in Christmas.

Like put the girlfriend back in relationship. Put the girl back in girlfriend. Yikes. Yeah, I don't love that. Yeah, it's our culture is swinging more conservative and it's terrifying. We always end up back here. It doesn't matter where we start,

I know where we're gonna end. That's fun. All roads lead back to our imminent crumbling of society. Yeah. But here's the thing, I mean, that's what this movie is kind of saying, right? All roads lead back to our imminent crumbling of society. But here's the thing, I mean, that's what this movie is kind of saying, right? Like she, even when she gets the men to love her more than she loves them, she's not happy with them.

And then they turn into babies and she's like, I fucking hate you. Because it's emasculating. Because we're taught that a man being, yeah, like sensitive and loving is actually like pathetic because they should be. It's vulnerable. It's like that's not what's gonna fulfill her.

Like these men are never gonna fulfill her. So she's just like, I guess I have to get rid of you. It's awful. And that's the thing, she doesn't leave them, she kills them. Yeah. Yeah, it's like such, I feel like it's specifically the kind of narrative around relationships

that we were fed growing up that does feel like it's maybe coming back around. I mean, I hope not, but that was like, none of this would have been surprising when I was like 13. I was like, right, that's how it goes. You should be like absolutely dying for a text from the boy you like, but be like,

oh, actually, I don't know if I can, let me just have to, yeah, yeah, yeah, no big deal. Everything is cool. Like just be like so fucking chill. It's the cool girl. The gone girl. The gone girl. The cool girl.

The gone girl speech. So cool you don't even exist. That's the thing. It's like you're so fucking cool. Well you have no needs. You cease to exist. You're literally that teeny, tiny, teeny, tiny invisible. The cool thing about me is I'm hot and empty.

Completely empty. I remember my first boyfriend in, I guess it was middle school, I heard he was going to break up with me so I broke up with him first and I was like, yeah, I was not. That's how you got into that game. I was kind of thinking the same thing, devastated by the way. And I was like, yeah, kind of it's no big deal to me and I was also considering this. So, I beat you to the punch. That's because also I'm sure that in Cosmo or Seventeen or whatever, which was like the Bible to us, I was like, if this is in this magazine,

it must be verified by a gazillion experts. I'm sure everyone has like a PhD in relationships. This is not written by a 23-year-old intern, yeah. But I'm sure that that would have been a whole article where it's like, you hear your boyfriend's going to break up with you, here's how to break up with him first. Like, I'm sure that would have been like a cover story

on Seventeen. How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days, baby. Yeah. This is the whole goddamn movie. Yeah. I read the 48 Strategies of War or whatever. I was like, I'm gonna take it down. Yeah.

I remember he was like sick. He was sick for a week, so he was out. And during that time I learned, like someone told me. And so then I called before he could get back to school. I was like, yes, so it's over. Nice. Wow. Never be sick, never show weakness.

That's right. I said, what you did wrong here was that you allowed yourself to stay home for a couple of days, like a baby. Yeah. If you had just come to school, you would have done this. Yeah. Yeah.

And then of course I was in many healthy relationships after and there was no problem. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah's fine. And then of course I was in many healthy relationships after and there was no problem. Of course. Oh, you guys. Thank you guys so much. Thank you. This was so fun.

Thanks for letting us do this at all. I loved it. I mean, come back. We can't wait to hear about your movie. Yeah, update. For sure. I'm going to be checking out that Kickstarter. Yeah.

Tell our listeners where they can find you if they want to, I mean, I guess you already said the website, but remind them. And also anything else that our listeners should check out for you guys or pay attention to. Sure, yeah. Well, for the movie, you can go to casemakesmovies.com and learn about it. Again, we're like really close to our goal

and we're in pre-production, we're scouting locations, we're doing casting, we're planning on shooting very, very soon. Yeah, we got a really great location downtown that we're gonna use a lot of. But yeah, if you like The Love Witch, I think you'll like the movie that we're making. It's about how your girls know you.

That's what the movie's about. True. There should be more horror movie breakup movies too, because breakups are like really scary and heart wrenching and a true moment of vulnerability and there should be more horror movies about it. I agree. That's why we're trying to add that.

We got one coming. Yeah. And if you look at the Kickstarter and we've hit our goal, like know that every, we'll take more. Of course. We'll use it. Because then we get to like have things that we've cut out of them. Like maybe we'll get paid or maybe we get to bring on an extra person or something like

that. Because right now it's like so bare bones. But yeah, it's the Kickstarter is set to like, this is the minimum we need, but we certainly could use more. Yeah. Have other things that cost money. Not to keep talking about the movie, but we certainly could use more, have other things that cost money. Not to keep talking about the movie, but we also didn't mention that the doughboys who also have a show on head gum, our head gum neighbors, they're executive producing. And

so they came on and like gave us the first amount of money to be like, you can make this movie and then we're Kickstarter in the rest, which is really cool. And Mitch himself will be a really prominent character, a prominent minor character, I guess is what I should say. He'll be your favorite. He plays a role in the story significantly. Great. Which is very cool. But yeah, other than the movie,

listen to Doughboy's executive producers of the movie. Hell yeah. Also on Head Gum, check out all the Headgum shows that we work on. Or just keep listening to this one. Or this one. If you're not on the Patreon, go join the Patreon. The more the merrier, you know. We love this show.

You guys know that my boyfriend listened to the show before it was on Headgum. I feel like I've told you this. Yes. He's an OG fan. Oh yes, when we met you, you told us about that. Yeah, so I've listened to you before we ever worked together, which is so cool. That's so cool.

Crazy. We love your show. Thank you for having us on. Oh, Radio Free Anya on Instagram if you want to follow us and keep up with the movie Casey Donahue, or just your full name. Yeah, just at Casey Donahue. We'll post lots of fun updates from set, I'm sure,

like cool stuff like that that you can follow along with, which will be fun. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Ooh, I'm so excited. Amazing. Thank you for joining us. What a thrill. Thanks for letting us talk to you guys for a while.

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