Too Scary; Didn't Watch - THE MOTHMAN PROPHECIES

Episode Date: April 1, 2026

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This is a headgum podcast. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy. And you're listening to Too Scary Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those Too Scared to Watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I am Too Scared to Watch Scary Movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies.

I'm Sammy and I love watching scary movies and so I watch them so that you don't have to. And I am really excited about today's episode. episode. This is one from my childhood that I was very excited to revisit, but I'm not going to tell you what it is yet. Not yet, not yet. But if you want to jump straight to the recap, there are timestamps in the show notes because first I got to know, Emily and Henley. Did anything scary happen to you guys this week? Oh, I just thought of something. This is important. Great. Great. So our car is really falling apart. The car that we have is the car that Tim leased when he first moved to Los Angeles like 10 years ago. It's a Subaru Impraza.

We have driven that thing to the ground. We drove it across country. And like last week, we were driving somewhere and we heard a clang. And then later we realized our hubcap had fallen off one of our tires. Yep. That seems bad. And, okay. So I think I think.

I haven't actually really looked into this, but I'm pretty sure it's almost ornamental. Yeah. I mean, the tire didn't fly off right after it sounds like. Yeah, the tire is fine. Although all of our tires need to be replaced really, really badly. So that's important. Yeah, that's really important. I just had to do that recently, too.

And I would never have, I would have driven until they exploded. Duncan saw was like, oh, my God, the tread on your tires is like cut. Like, you could see some metal. Like, it wasn't tire material. But I was like, oh, I had no idea. Oh, God, we really need to deal with our tires. I think that we're in the same situation. Yeah, tires are really important.

Especially because then yesterday we were driving somewhere, heard another clang. Nope. No, another help cap fell off of our car. And you guys, it's already kind of embarrassing driving this car around Greenwich, Connecticut, because, okay, when Tim leased this car, he didn't know how to drive yet. He had to learn how to drive in Los Angeles. He grew up in New York City, never got his driver's license. So his first driving lesson was, I think, in this car on Melrose Avenue.

They picked him up from Paramount where I was working. What a horrible, horrible place to learn. It's like the worst place to drive even as like an experienced driver. That was Tim's first experienced driving. They picked him up at Paramount because that's where I was working and he was there and they just like, whatever this driving school was, they would pick you up where you were. So this car has a massive dent in the driver's side door. It has like scratches all over. It has a dent in the front.

And now and also all of our tires need to be replaced. And all of them basically have like holes in them. They're kind of flat. Like it's like you guys. And now we don't have two hubcaps. Yeah. You got to take it somewhere. If this car was in pristine condition, it would be one thing.

But it is, it's embarrassing now. I'm now, I'm now embarrassed. and maybe take it out to pasture maybe it is like paid off it's so nice not to have to be paying for a car I know paying for cars yeah sucks that's kind of paying for cars fucking sucks it's kind of the main thing my headlights are so dirty that they don't like emit light anymore you're like turn them on and you're like why isn't anything happening it's really dark truly oh dark truly I've been driving with my brights on because I just like can't, my headlights don't do anything. I feel like headlights across the border are too bright these days.

Yes, I agree. So I feel really guilty. It's dangerous. It's dangerous. They're too bright. They're way too bright. It's the type of light. It's like LED or whatever. But we need to, we need, we come on, we can't a kind of LED that isn't, that's like

safer for cars. They're too bright. I'm surprised this isn't more of a safety. No, I will die on this fucking hill. And you will literally die when you're, um, encounter. When you're blinded by the light. I'm going to go up a hill and a car is going to be too bright coming at me and I will die on that hill because of those two bright headlights. I hope not.

I hope not so. But just so everybody knows, I did just now purchase a headlight cleaning kit. There's like a specific type of cleaner that you got to get. And so don't worry. Don't worry. It's being taken care of. You're going to do it and then it's actually on the inside. You have to like take the light off and clean it.

It's on the inside. Do you take it off and you clean it on the inside? You probably have to because it's definitely on the inside. I mean, I thought, definitely, but probably. I thought it was on the outside. I'm not looking forward to it. I think it's on the inside. But it's got to happen.

But why? What would make that? I don't know. Probably both. Let me do a little, let me start with the outside because that's easier. See what happens. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, car stuff. So you're going to, you got to go to those tires. Weird. Yeah, I mean, at a minimum, we have to replace all these tires. Otherwise, yeah, I'm driving around, Greenwich, Connecticut with two hub Cap-less. Hib-caplus. Are they at least like, where are they even?

Even? Oh, it's the two front ones. Two front ones. Yeah, so it's not on, it's on either side. Yeah, so anytime someone's looking at your car from inside. You're always seeing it. You're missing a hub cap. Yeah, there's no good side.

There's no good side of the car. There's no good side of the car. Damn, damn, damn. Yeah, I got to get that fixed right away. What about you guys? How are you doing? I have realized I

Okay so I don't really I'm not like a There's nobody that I'm like a really big fan Of in a way that like I'm like Obsessed with them like I mean Okay hold on Talk about But I mean like

But I hear that's very funny Bobby Clay Excuse me he's way above guy No the brothers Oh the brothers Oh you're right That's probably the closest I've got But I just mean the kind of fandom

Where you're like You want like You're like I could be their friend Like they like the kind of fandom that they start to like matter to you and you stop seeing them as a celebrity, you know? You start to view them as your friend? You haven't gone full parisocial? I haven't gone full parisocial. But I realized last night, I think for me, my fandom exists within the servers and bartenders of Los Angeles.

Oh, that actually makes no sense. I have a thing where like if I have a good server. bartender and we have a nice rapport and we have a nice time. I'm immediately like well we're best friends in real life. What if I see them again? Like oh my god I'm like we had a server last night who was so good he was so good he was so cute he was so charming he was so good at his job. My parents were in town he charmed

the hell out of my dad he like put up with all of our talking to him for way too long it was my dad's birthday and when he got his dessert they forgot to bring a candle and we didn't mind and we had the dessert but then he like made them bring us a second dessert on the house with the candle and was like really sweet about it. He just was like, amazing.

And afterwards, I was like, what if I see him around town? Like, I was just like, so, I like, I was like, I only knew his first name, but I was like, could I try to find his Instagram if I like went? And it's not like, it's not romantic.

I'm not like, but I'm just like I, he's like a celebrity to me. Mm-hmm. And I realize that I do that like a lot with, with the, the restaurant staff of the city of Los Angeles. Not even just the city of Los Angeles. Because remember that really great waiter we had at that.

the carbone in Vegas. And we were all obsessed with it. Like I'm like there is something like it unlocks a kind of my brain. A really good server where I'm like, well, I love you forever. Yeah. And I want to know everything about you. Like I want to know everything about it. It's going out to dinner is like sacred.

It's a sacred space. It's like a beautiful, beautiful happy. You love to see someone be good at their job. And you feel so taking care. of, I don't know, I just, I realize I'm like, oh, I have like an unhealthy attachment to my servers. You know, it's what you know. I love them. What it's reminding me of also, though, is like a way to like get excited about what you're doing that night where you're like going to a restaurant, going to a bar. Am I going to see them? You got to dress up for that. Like literally reminds me of

like having a crush. I mean like, am I going to see my crush tonight? Like, it kind of makes everything more exciting when you have a crush. And it's kind of like this is a safe way to have crush. And it's kind of like this is a safe way to have crushes, you know? Yeah, it's fun. And all of us need that. I would love to have crushes on anyone. I love to have a crush. I think, too, there's something that, like, I, it means so much to me to be liked by a server. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You want to be one of the good ones. Oh, my God. When I feel like I've, I've, like, had a good rapport with a server, I'm like, okay. You're doing something right. You're doing something right. I like, it's just, I put a lot of stakes on.

Like, I love myself again. I love myself again. I don't know, man. I just, something about going out to dinner last night, it like really clicked in my, how quickly the second we walked out of the restaurant, and I was like, I got to try to find this Instagram. I was like, what's up with that?

Did you find it? No, but I will continue to try. Yeah. He's probably not on Instagram. He sounds so cool. I know. But he's probably Like, what if he's like Like, because then I was like, well, Hudson Williams was people's waiter

Amir one year ago, you know? Like he could be about to be the next biggest star in the world and he would deserve it. Chick would absolutely deserve it. Delivered food to Henley's house once. I'm telling you, you know, charisma is real. Remember chick from Riverdale? Was your... Oh. Wait.

Yes. You guys, it's crazy how much I've forgotten about literally... Everything that's ever happened to you? I like don't know. I don't remember a single thing. I don't remember anything that I've ever done or said or except for this one guy who served me. I've read it last night that I'll remember him until the day. Yeah, you remember the important stuff.

Yeah. That's important. Well, I'm going to talk about stress. I'm really sorry. That's okay. We all feel it. It's reminding me of this one time I was watching. I was really stressed about something and watched a doctor. about stress and they were like stress it's killing you and I was like oh fuck oh fuck

but it's true and stress is really crazy and does a lot of bad things to your body and I was really stressed this week and I have like new stress symptoms which you hate to develop new stress symptoms so I've had an on and off sore throat for three weeks which at first I was like oh well I'm getting sick. Did some research. Nope. Stress can cause a sore throat. Oh, God.

Oh, God. And then this week, I started getting, for the first time, tension headaches. Oh. I've been getting those. Base of the skull, like, radiating down my neck. And it, like, feels like I'm being strangled a little bit. Oh, no. also kind of

I don't know It's the most horrible sensation And so I've just been having So much neck pain and sore throat All from stress Terrible terrible combination Awful Could you get a humidifier in your office?

Yes actually I was looking up last night What I should do and a humidifier was on there And I do that one Maintaining a humidifier is really I know it's a lot of work I gave up on my humidifier because I was like Well now I'm just breathing in filth Yeah, Henley does straight from the tap, which you're not supposed to do. Sorry to out you. Sorry to out you, Henley. But Henley's house is filled with humidifiers. You guys have to know. And I was like, how is she filtering? How is she filtering so much? They're killing her. But they make, they make such a big difference on my throat. Like in the winter, every single morning, I'd wake up with a sore throat if we didn't have my disgusting tap water hydration system going. Disgusting. Well, yeah, I mean, I'm not doing. I don't know. Who has the time?

to use filtered water in all your humidifiers. That's what I'm saying. That's why I was like, I'm going to be using tap as well for the record. And you're not supposed to, but I'm going to. It's crazy to say that about the tension headaches because I've also been getting those for the first time. For the first time. Yeah, I've never really dealt with specifically tension in my neck that like is new to me.

Yeah. I've had, you know, like my back will hurt occasionally. My traps are always a problem. But like specifically the neck muscle. hurting. Ow. It really fucking hurts. Okay.

I will say I did just hear from one of my coworkers that there's a piercing you can get inside, in one of the cartilage inside your ear that is like a pressure point and supposedly like really helps keep you from having like migraines and tension headaches. Wow. And I am interested. Sure. I'll do it. I'll try anything except that my body can't handle a piercing. tension headaches. You mean your body can't handle it?

I've tried to pierce my ears so many times and every time they ultimately get infected and I have to take everything out. Every single time. It's been years and years and years of trying to have pierced ears. Years and years and years. It's never going to happen. Okay. It's not going to happen.

Maybe you can get just like a little, Emily has like a little, is it like a magnet earring that presses? Yes, they're called ear seeds. And it's just so you like put it on and it just like hits a pressure point. I've seen that. I've seen that, but the video I saw of ear seeds seemed kind of horrifying what was going on with the ear seeds. I guess there were too many ear seeds. It was like a lot. It was a lot of seeds in someone's ear. Well, that does sound upsetting. Yeah, that's you can use just one, I think. Yeah. Okay. Guys, I'm not fine in him. Oh, no, she's looking. She's looking. I don't have a lot of. I don't have a lot to.

to go on. That's what's fun about trying to find someone like this, though, is when you don't have that much to go on. And then it's so satisfying when you figure it out. I still might get there. Yeah, I still might get there. Yeah. You can find some of the other servers and go through who they follow. I'm really trying. This is at the time, but I'll keep you posted. I think it is. Yeah, let's do that instead. I think we need to get to the bottom of this right now. I think it's the time. I think this is exactly the time. No. I don't know. I'll keep you posted. but yeah if anyone has any i mean i i'm maybe i'll invest in some ear seeds or piercing but any other tips for tension headaches or stress caused sore throats oh god send them my way because it's like

it's really just um like what's the word not disorienting but it's like it makes me feel really crazy having like new symptoms from stress and it's like you know what doesn't help you be less stressed is like stress-induced illnesses. Yeah. Because then you're like, oh, God, I'm really way too stressed. And that like, it's like, the fuck am I supposed to do about this? I know. I know. And I got one massage, one really good massage and I didn't solve it all. And I guess it didn't. Which is really disappointing. Do you guys, do either of you have a Thera gun? I do. It's kind of too intense. See, we have it because Tim's brother gave it Tim as a present one year.

And I've recently been getting Tim to, like, theragun my back every night. And it really helps. The thing is that you can't really theragun, like, your own back and that, which you have to have someone else do it. Because I have tried to do that. And it just feels like I'm, like, punching myself in the throat. Like, you can't get the angle right. And then your head is like, and it's just like, your teeth are clattering together. And it's just really, really intense.

I know. That's the only problem is you do need someone to do it. for you. And I would want Tim to do it for like 45 minutes. A woman needs to invent a theragon you can use on your own. You know? Probably just like figure out a way to attach it to a wall and move up and down. They have those things that are like neck pillow type things that have massagers in them. I have one of those. But I don't love the big roly balls. I see. I need a more targeted Yeah. You need a little more nuanced touch.

I need a more nuanced touch. Talking about this is making my whole head hurts so bad. Someone needs to invent, and this is actually really scary and it's probably a good way to get strangled. But like robotic hands that you can stick just right here that go like just to go right around your neck. Just robotic hands that can go right around your neck. Has anyone thought of that? Why haven't they invented that? But they would have to be really strong.

It would only be worth it if they were really strong. It would have to be very firm. It's tough out there. It's tough out there. Everybody take care of yourselves. Don't stress too much. Whatever you do, do not stress. It's killing you.

It's absolutely killing you. Deep breath in. Deep breath out. All right. Time to talk about some horror movies. Okay. Can't wait. Today we are talking about the Mothman prophecies.

Came out in 2002. 13-year-old Sammy loved this movie, but I was so scared of it. Oh, my God. Shout out to my mom. Her and I watched this together, I think, multiple times. And there's a line in it that we said to, I'll call it out when we get there. But we quoted this movie for, I mean, we still do. There's a line from this that we.

quote to this day. To this very day. It was directed by Mark Pellington, written by Richard Haddam, based on the novel by John A. Keel, starring Richard Gear, Laura Linney, and Will Patton. And it is streaming on prime. Yeah. Okay. Will Patton's a real that guy, but also like, real that guy. But also maybe such a that guy that he's Will Patton again. Like, yeah, yeah, it circles back on itself. Yeah, he came back into his own name. So Sammy has a background up and she asked if we could tell what movie she was doing based off of the background. And I, somewhere in my brain, which cannot remember a single thing dredged from my memory. You got it immediately. The Mothman Propheyses. I knew right away. I have to tell you, I don't know why I know that. I don't know anything about this movie.

It's kind of like having the lyrics to a song memorized. Some of these movie posters just, stayed with us and burrowed into our brains. And it just, for those who remember or don't remember, I'll describe it, it's like kind of a what do you call these?

Like inkblot? It's like a Rorschach test of like a moth with eyes, human eyes in the middle. It sounds like an x-ray almost too. Yep. Yeah, like reverse inkblot, like white on black. Yeah. Yeah.

And that was the poster for the movie. I don't know anything about this movie. No, truly me either. That's why I just need to say, like, even though I knew exactly what it was, I didn't, I never in a million years would have Richard Geer and Laura Linney? Who freaking knew? Yeah. Simply not me.

Not me. Is it good? Is it like a good movie? I really like this movie. It's definitely of a time, but I think it does a lot of things, right? And I think it is genuinely like very creepy and unsettling. I'm excited. Yeah.

Me too. Great. It has a 52% on Rotten Tomatoes. A 52% on Metacritic. I don't know that I've ever seen those two ratings be the same. And then a 6.4 on IMDB. Sure. Okay.

Getting something right for once. The budget was $32 million. It made $55.2 million. Well done. And the Mothman Prophecies is based on actual events in Point Pleasant West Virginia between November, 1966 and December, 1967. I guess I won't go too much. I have some of the, like, real events that it's based on. Maybe we can talk about those after we've talked about the movie, so it's not spoilery.

But it is kind of, you know, myths and legends based. And I just wrote in my trivia, speaking of myths and legends, it just feels important to remind everyone about the Richard Gere and Gerbil in his butt, urban legend. Can you remind me about this? Richard, you must hate this so much. Richard, if you're listening, just to step ahead, okay? It really has just become the first thing I think about when I think about Richard Gere 100% of the time. I'm like, Richard Gerell is. Well, a lot of people think it's true.

Yeah. And to be clear, I don't think it's true. I don't think it's true. I don't think it's recently. This came up. I can't even remember why with a co-worker. And I was like, oh, yeah, that thing. And she was like, I really don't think that it is.

I really don't. This is in the air because this is like the third time someone has brought up the Richard Gerberger gerbil in his butt thing. Like, I feel like I'm hearing about this constantly right now. Oh, that's, what do you call that? Butterbine Hoff effect. Oh, yes. Everyone's talking about it.

Everyone's talking about it. And Bader Mienhof effect gets Bader Mienhof affected for me sometimes. It gets affected. Now you're going to hear about it three more times. I also just put out there that a thing that I think is coming back into a lexicon is Bing Bang Boom. Boom. I love Bing, Bang, Boom. People are saying Bing, bang, boom in a way that they have not been for years.

And I'm just telling you, I'm saying. And now I'm going to have, I'm making it happen as well because I'm saying it. Bing, bang, boom. but it's, I really think people are saying it again. Another one that I've heard is coming back, which I don't know, don't quote me on this, is totes. Toots. Okay.

I'm more excited about Bing, Bang, Boom, personally. I'm going to be Bing and Bing in, Bing and Bing in Bing. I'm going to bring Bing Bang, Boom back. It's very Trumpian. Bing, bang, boom back. People are saying, people are saying Bing, bang, boom. But anyway, this is just to say that, like, I keep hearing people reference this. but can you just tell me what the,

I just don't understand the full, like, story. I think it was, like, made up in tabloids. It was a rumor. I don't know the exact source of the rumor, but it was that Richard Gear had stuck a gerbil up his butt and had to go to the emergency room to get it removed. And that was in some tabloid. And I think because it's so crazy and weird,

just, like, really stuck in everybody's minds and has lasted to this very day. and I'm sure haunts him deeply. The Richard Gerebel story is notorious, entirely false 1980s urban legend, alleging the act required emergency medical care to remove a rodent. Originally in the mid-1980s, it falsely claimed a friend of a friend saw the incident in a hospital. What? I would love to get in touch with that writer and find out what the hell they were thinking,

how they put that together. They were like, I need an idea. I need some ideas. What are some ideas? And then for that to be it? Okay. Yeah. So just want to keep that rumor alive.

Wouldn't be easy to get a gerbil up your butt. But it was like sexual in nature was what it was understood to be. Yeah. Just really unfortunate to have that. That's unfortunate. Yeah. Just really stick in the public mind forever. Here we are perpetuating it.

I mean, it delights me. I'm not going to lie. I love it. Yeah. And I do feel for Richard Gere that this is such a, like so high on the list of things that come to mind when. Sure. Also that it's having no resurgence and everyone's talking about it again. Everyone's talking about it.

Big bang boom. Bing, bang boom. We cannot stop talking about it. Everybody. Everybody. Well, the trailer is pretty spoilery. So let's watch the trailer at the end. That'll be available on our Patreon.

But I say let's just get right into it. What do you say? I say, yay. I say, yeah. Let's do it. Big, bang, boom. I saw a tweet that I really, really liked that was, if I was Bella, I would date the cold guy in the summer and the hot guy in the winter, Bing, Bang, Boom. Really?

It really, a Bing, Bing, Boom. It's just fun to say. It's fun to say. Bing, bang, boom. Bing, bang, boom. Right. Great. Let's get into it. Let's get into it. I have no problem wearing uncomfortable shoes all day long. Uncomfortable clothes if it has the right aesthetic. I will go for it for the outfit.

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We're not sure what we're seeing or hearing. And then the lights like, come on and we see Richard Gere on a phone like hearing some crackling noises coming through the line. And he kind of hears it for a second and then just goes on with his conversation, hangs up. We see he's a reporter at the Washington Post. He's at work in the Washington Post offices, a wonderful place. Great establishment. Is the prophecy about how a megalomaniac billionaire is going to buy it and then destroy it over? It should be.

That would have been helpful or would it? We'll find out if the prophecies are helpful. So then we see him calling, presumably his wife, Mary, saying I'll be there soon. I'm just finishing up here. I love you. And he goes to say goodbye to his boss. And he's like, I'm heading out, boss. And his boss is like, what?

My star reporter's not going to be at the Christmas party tonight. Love it. Context. Really made me laugh. and he says, I can't, Mary's waiting for me. And this really made me laugh. So we see him, he meets up with Mary, who's Debra Messing, we're not going to talk about. We're not going to talk about that.

Good. Yeah. But Debra Messing is in this, she's in this movie. And that's all we're going to say. That's all we're going to say. Just the facts, man. Just the facts. So he's gone after work to meet his wife, Mary, and they are buying a house at it, like,

at nighttime. Sure. It's a bad time. It's a bad time to see a house. They go straight to buying a house. He couldn't make it to the Christmas party because him and his wife are buying a house tonight. They are fooling around in the closet while the realtor is downstairs. They can't keep their hands off each other.

They are so in love and they are so excited about their long future together. That's definitely going to happen. And this is just the beginning. of their lives nowhere near the end. Nowhere near it. They sign the deed or lease or whatever. I've never owned a house. Actually, that's not true.

I have. I co-signed with my mom. Fun fact about me. So they're driving, I guess, back to their wherever they lived before because there's no furniture in this house. Yeah, they can't move into it. immediately. But John is Richard Gere's name, by the way. John and Mary. John and Mary. Yeah, there's some biblical stuff happening in this movie. I'm not, not really, but there is

like a few references that I'll probably just throw it in. Just throw it in. Why not? They, for some reason, John is like goading Mary to drive as fast as possible. It's like, how fast can you drive this thing? We're just so excited about the house. speed down this street. And she's giggling and hitting the accelerator and they're going faster and faster and wildly laughing and they're having so much fun when from over a hill headlights. Wow. At first we think they're headlights, but then we're like, wait, but they're red.

Is it break lights? And she's kind of staring at it. And then it moves very quickly toward her. and it's like glowing eyes of a moth man. Looks like a little body of a moth face of a man. Okay. With glowing red eyes. Body of a moth face of a man.

Mm-hmm. Interesting. I didn't know they were actually going to be moth men in this. I didn't think they were actually going to be mothman. I thought mothman was going to be like the name of a scientist who has studied the phenomena of prophecy. No, it's a moth man. It's like literally a moth body with a face of a man. Okay.

Disappointing. Huge bummer. Okay. I'll try to contain my disappointment. I don't know what to think of this movie anymore. It's just really fucking weird, but sure. So she screams, she loses control of the car. Is he flying?

It flies, like right at the windshield. Got it. And like a bug. But bigger than a bug, but smaller than a man. Oh, moth man. Kind of split the difference between. The moth and a man's different Which would be 50 50 50 50.

I think the 50, 50 difference between a moth and a man would be like, what, a duck? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's a duck sized. Yeah. But I will say, the size of the moth man is inconsistent throughout the movie. So we can't pin the moth man down. You never see them for long enough to really get the dimensions. Is the head at the top of the wings?

Is there a neck or just a head? Or do we never really get a close enough look to know? It's real quick, but it is at the top. But I didn't get eyes on the neck. Does it look stupid? This one does, yeah. But does it also, is it beautiful? Because moths are beautiful.

Have you guys paid attention to how beautiful months are? Did you know that plants that are pollinated by moths as opposed to bees are fragrant at night and not during the day? that that's why some flowers don't smell during the day, but they do smell at night, is because they are trying to attract moths, not bees. That's huge. That's huge. Nature is so amazing.

Nature is a gift that keeps on giving. Huge. That is incredible. If you're looking for inspiration, just look up moths and you'll be endlessly inspired. Well, some people are very afraid of moths, like Nicole Kidman. Moth can be fucking big. They can be really big. Okay, so are we splitting the difference between a big moth?

Yeah, maybe we need to have the size from a duck. And a man to like a... Maybe a goose. Like a peacock. Whoa. Or a goose. Mm-hmm. Yeah, okay.

Let's stay here longer. It's just a confusing visual for me, but I think we should move on. It's a confusing visual to see in the movie as well. It looks bad. It looks like it was made in 2002. Are the eyes on the wings? No, the eyes are on the head. Eyes and the eyes.

I forgot that. The eyes are normal man eyes. Yeah. But they're red and they're gloves. Red and glowing. He flies into the windshield. And it's scary. Really scary.

So they crash. Mary hits her head really hard. It looks bad. Yeah. They go to the hospital. John is okay. He did not get injured. John's at her bedside in the hospital as she like comes to after being unconscious.

She's acting way different than before. She seems terrified. She's looking all around the room. just like completely terrified of her surroundings. And he's trying to calm her down. Like, it's okay. Like, it's me. You're okay.

And she says, you didn't see it, did you? And he's like, see what? What are you talking about? So clearly only she has seen the moth man. And then when she real, she kind of like a little bit comes to and she realizes he hasn't seen it. And then she like starts crying and says something's wrong with me, which I don't know like that moment really hit me. I was just like, oh, be so scary. And it also, sorry, it's such a tangent, but it really reminded me of in the, in the bachelor and bachelorette,

when women are eliminated, they're like, what's wrong with me? Why didn't he like me? And when men are eliminated, they're like, what's wrong with her? Why didn't she like me? And that is the crux of That's the crux of it Yeah But I was kind of thinking that here Like if this was a man That saw them off man

They'd be like Well I saw what I saw and it was real It's real And she's like something's wrong with me And I needed like a brain scan Yeah Oh yeah Oh this is that's um

That's gonna That's gonna send me down a path in my brain Oh no no Oh no I feel it happening I've begun I've begun walking the path Yeah. Oh, uh-oh.

Turn around. Turn around. Turn around. So they do an MRI and find a tumor in her temporal lobe. Oof. And sometimes passing, he's speaking to one of his coworkers and describing this for him and for us the audience. And, you know, they say it happened. It's not related to the accident.

they just found it because of the accident. And they've operated on it and taken out as much as they can. And now she'll be going through chemo. And he says to his coworker, it just feels like sometimes the universe just points at you and says, oh, there you are. I've been looking for you. Oh, I don't like that. just kind of like the whole the whole question of this movie right um so then we go back to the hospital

with mary after brain surgery still a full beautiful head of hair sure no need to really i don't know why i got to pick on that but i was like oh she just had brain surgery and and they didn't shave her head at all they didn't do anything how did they get in there how did they get that's where the brain is. They go through the nose. They go through the nose. Yeah, maybe. Maybe.

But this scene's sad. So she's looking at him and she's like apologizing and he's like, what are you apologizing for? And she's just like, I feel like I ruined everything. That made me feel really sad. She's like really taking too much responsibility for something that's very outside her control. Yeah. And she tells him that she just.

wants him to be happy. Oh, honey. And John is really trying to keep a brave face and like, it's going to be okay. Like, we're going to get through this. But when he's at home, one day the phone rings. Everything goes into slow motion. There's like that ear ringing sound. He runs to the hospital, but it is too late.

Oh, that was fast. Yeah. And as he's in her now empty hospital room, like gathering her belongings, one of the nurses comes in and said she knew she was drawing angels and like points to a little book. You mean mothman, mothman, mothman. Why does this angel have the face of a man and a body of a mom? It's all the matter of perspective. Angel to you, mothman, to me.

Yeah, these are very scary drawings, kind of typical horror movie drawings of like black scribbles, red eyes. I love the perspective of that nurse, you know. Yeah, really, really sweet. And so John is obviously very disturbed by this, staring at this, remembering her saying, you didn't see it, did you? and he like looks at the car, I guess he didn't look at it before after they got in a car accident. Maybe I guess it was like in the lot impounded or something in the shop. But it has like a like burn on the front of it. Like it's a triangle shaped burn in the grill or whatever you call it.

Car part, car front part. So then we get some text two years later. We're going to jump in a head. He's seeing him back at work. One, that the same coworker, that's his friend, is trying to introduce him to a woman saying, you know, I have someone I'd like you to meet. She's no Mary, but like, obviously, no one ever will be. and John is not interested. He's not ready.

And he's got to be in Richmond, Virginia in the morning. And so he's like, I got to, I can't, not tonight. And maybe another time, I got to drive to Virginia tonight. So that night he is driving and his car breaks down on the side of the road. But it like powers down. All the lights go off. He tries to use his cell phone. The cell phone's off not working as well.

And he, like, looks at his watch, and the watch is, like, not ticking. And it's 2.30 in the morning. He gets out of his car. And he's kind of, like, sensing something watching him. And this is what this movie does really well, or maybe overdoes a little bit. Like, so much of this. movie is Richard Gere just like wide-eyed like listening and sensing and like being creeped out by just like nothing's that nothing's there but it's I think effectively creepy he's always

on edge so he walks to the closest house knocks on the door it's like I'm so sorry and I know it's late, but my car broke down just down the road. I'm wondering if I can use your phone. And we see at the door is Will Patton, that guy. And he calls in to his wife inside and is like, it's him. John's like confused, obviously. And it's 2.30 in the morning. He's not going on the door. Yeah. Got it. Got it. Got it. And Will Patton says, I've been waiting for you. And then he pulls a shotgun on him and grabs him and pulls him inside and is like screaming at him and is saying like, what do you want with me? Like, why do you keep bothering me?

Why do you keep doing this? Obviously, John has no fucking idea what's going on. He's trying to say like, I think you have me confused or something. I don't know what's happening. His wife has like called the police in during this. She's also seeming like she's trying to calm him down. And in walks top cop, Laura Linney. Whoa, a woman?

Yeah, you better believe it. In 2002? Oh, my God. Yeah, I know. And her name's Connie. And she is, this is a seemingly small town. So she, like, knows everybody. She's like, okay, Gordon, like, why don't we put the gun down?

Tell me what's going on here. And Gordon lowers the gun and he explains, this guy has been showing up at my door at 2.30 every morning for the last three nights. Whoa. And John is like, I don't know. I've never been here before. I don't know what he's talking about. And Connie asks, Will Patton's name is Gordon. Connie asks Gordon's wife.

Like, did you see this man before? And Connie's like, no. But I did hear the knocking at the door. And Connie eventually is like, okay, let me just everyone relax. Like, I'm going to take care of this. John, you come with me. And Gordon and you guys just have a good night. I don't remember, I guess, exactly how it ends.

But she diffuses the situation. You guys just have good thing. She handles it. She's tough. She knows what she's good. God, she's great. Okay, so this movie's giving like memento meets the butterfly effect. Anything that's like anyone caught in time is fun to me.

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are you going to arrest me? And she's like, no, I like believe you that you didn't do anything. And some like, we've been having some weird things happening around town lately. And so I'm not that surprised at this. And he asks like, what do you mean?

And she says, people have just been reporting a lot of weird things. and not like, like I know these people, like good regular people, all people that I've known like my whole life are just like seeing some really weird stuff lately. And so let me just set you up at this motel and then we'll get your car fixed and you can head on your way or whatever. He's like, okay, thank you. And she drops him off at a motel. He goes to check in and asks like, where am I on the map? There's like a map in the desk between them.

And he's like, oh, we're right on the border. And we see John, like, looking at the map on the border between Virginia. Oh, because he says that they're in, sorry, my East Coast geography is not great. But he was heading to Richmond. Richmond. And he is in now West Virginia. So he's like looking at the border between West Virginia and Virginia, assuming he's somewhere there. And the motel clerk is like, no, the border by Ohio.

And so he's like 400 miles further than he thought. And we just see him being like so perplexed by this. And again, calling this exposition coworker to be like, I drove 400 miles in an hour. Like it doesn't make sense. But this shit really does creep me out. when there's like loss of time and it would feel it would be so scary and disorienting yeah did you guys wait did you guys hear about wasn't the guy who's supposed to run FEMA the one who keeps talking about how he's teleported twice he like said that he got in his car and the next thing he knew he was like

at a gas station um like 20 miles away and he's like I teleported and it's like no this man just has like a substance abuse problem. Like, I was like, blacked out for a little bit. I don't think that that's teleport. But he's out here like telling everyone he teleports. Well,

sure. I mean, I'm not like deep into this world, but this movie's very in like the UFO lore type of thing as well of just sightings and strange stories like this. Duncan loves this shit. Me too.

Me too. To be clear, I don't. I don't trust this FEMA guy, but sometimes unexplainable things do happen to people. Yeah. I do think there's more out there than we are experiencing. So he the next day finds Gordon in town to try to like smooth things over with him. And Gordon is like, Connie told me that she'd checked you out and that you are like not a anyone that I should be worrying about. but like I'm not crazy and I saw you.

I don't know what's going on, but yeah, like weird things have been going on. And John says, like, I don't know how I got here. I last night drove for what felt like an hour and traveled like an impossible distance.

And so they're now kind of like bonding about like, okay, weird things happening and weird things are happening. And on that we can agree. We can figure it out together. So that. So that night, John perches up outside of Gordon's house to see if he can maybe like spot whoever is coming at 2.30 every night. And as he's like hiding in the bushes or whatever, he's in, he's like parked his car so he can watch from his car.

And Connie knocks on his window and is like, I thought I might find you here. She's like, I also am curious. So they like get in the car together and they're sitting and watching Gordon's house. at 2.30 in the morning. And she's saying a little bit more about the strange things that have been going on. And as she's trying to explain, she's like, you know what? It's hard to explain. It's easier if I just show you.

So she takes him to the station. We're not going to watch the house anymore? 2.30 comes and goes and nothing happens. It's like, you guys gave up really fast. But she takes him to the station and just shows him like all the police. lease files for everything, which I like, I guess he's a reporter, but I was like, is this the policy here? You just show like, okay, what, all right. But she is showing him all the little case files and we're getting like images of someone's like eye is bleeding.

And then she says, you know, what do you do when someone calls you and tells you they saw this in their backyard? hands him a drawing of exactly what his wife drew before her death. He's wide-eyed, shocked. Like, who showed you this? I want to speak to whoever drew this. So, this is the next day now, not at 2.30 in the morning. They go to the woman who drew the photo.

She takes them outside her house. and points to this tree and says it was as tall as this tree. So about eight feet tall. Bigger than a man. Bigger than a man. He's grown. Glowing red eyes. And she was inside when she saw it.

And she said I just like felt like I couldn't move. I don't know how much time passed. And then it just disappeared. So now John is on the case. Like, all right, whatever I was, I can't actually even remember what he was supposed to do in the first place. Like, he was going to Richmond for a reason. Right. Well, he's very far from Richmond at this point.

So I guess, I guess someone else is. Someone else is, I think he was supposed to talk to the governor, interview the governor for some reason. Boring. Boring. He's got a better story now. So I think they get somebody else on the governor thing. And he's like, I'm staying here. I'm on to something big.

So now he's talking to all the people in town. He's getting all of the stories from the people who have reported things to the police. And one guy he speaks to says that he was just getting call after call of just like electrical buzzing and breathing and like creepy electrical sounding noises. And he thought it was like prank phone calls. so he changed the number. He got a new phone number and before he gave the number out to anybody, the calls just continued.

Then he speaks to a young couple who say that they were making out in the back of a car one night and saw a glowing orb type thing. This one we just see images of It's like a reenactment type thing. Like we're going back to their memory. And it's them making out just like this really bright light that is like, seems like it's almost like painful for them to look at.

Like headlights nowadays? Like headlights. Yes. Are they on a hill? Are they on a hill? You're not on a hill, but they might as well be. And that afterwards the young man's eyes. swelled up.

Ew. And he, like, went to the doctor and it was unexplained. They had no idea why it happened. And one of his eyes is still, like, has, like, burst blood vessels in it's, like, a red bloody eye. He's like, this one never fully healed. Nobody knows what happened. And that one, just to refer back to the true story, that one was a real one, that this, like, happened to somebody that they said that they saw like a bright light and it damaged their eyes.

I will talk about that. That feels like it checks out. Sure. Yeah. Oh, no, no. Sorry, the creepy part of it is that like it's, they felt like they were looking at it for a few minutes and then it was two hours past. Oh, yeah. That's creepy.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So he's, he's back in his motel now when the phone. rings and we're hearing again some of that electrical static and like almost like a breathing sound and then the line clicks dead again richard gear is you know it's like the hairs on the back of his neck are standing up and he's just looking around at everything sensing sensing creepy And the next day he runs into Gordon again. And Gordon tells him that last night he was looking in the mirror and he saw something in it that wasn't him.

He's like, I don't know what it was and I can't describe it, but it sure shit wasn't me. And then my phone rang or no, he says, and then I heard like a howl coming up from the sink. Ew. And a voice emanated from it and said, Denver 999 will die. Denver 999 will die. It said it over and over and over. I wrote it down.

And look where I wrote it down. This drawing is on there too. And I didn't draw that. And it's, of course, the same drawing now we've seen of the mothman. Denver 999 will die. This reminds me there's a, there's a, commercial for some fucking law firm. We're watching Top Chef now because

Top Chef is back on, which means we have to watch them. Peacock where there are commercials. There's a law firm that's... Phone number is 1,8005000-000-000-000. And their commercial goes, call 1-8505 million. And it makes us laugh so hard every time. 1-800-5 million.

Hey, it's catchy. I remember it. It's really good. It's working. I don't know what the last. Law form is four, but if I find myself in need... It's personal injury, it's got to be.

One trillion, 800 billion, 500 billion. Call one trillion 800 billion, 500 billion. God, it makes me laugh. So after Gordon tells him this, Gordon's ear starts bleeding. Oof. They take him to the doctor. Something about ear bleeding is really freaky. Makes me think of your

ear drum bursting. Yeah, and it's like, it's just weird that there is just the same old interior body. stuff just right there in your ear. Yeah. Yeah. It's just so right. It's just right there. Just right there. And that it's a whole straight into there. It's a whole straight in there. It's like, it's like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. How did we do that? They take him to the doctor, check it out. Nothing is diagnosably wrong with him. So they go to a diner afterwards and they're like mulling over. What the hell is going?

on here. Something so weird is happening. And... Just John say, like, my wife drew this? I think so. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

I was going to ask the same question. Yes. He has told that to Gordon and to Connie. So while they're in their booth at the diner, they hear a breaking news report. John looks up at the TV and there has been a plane crash. flight Denver 9 and all 99 people aboard have died. Scary. And they're both like, what the fuck?

No, this scene is so good. Because, I mean, that would be. It's like validating in all the wrong ways. Yeah, that would be so unfortunate to experience. Yeah. Yeah. Because like what do you what do we do with this? What do we what do we? Well, I guess we're about to find out maybe. We got to get Lori Linney on the case. We got to get Laura Linney on the case. That's the first step.

Actually, I don't know how we get from A to B here, but they find a guy who has written some book about like the unexplainable and of course. You've got to get an expert, a demonologist in the phone book. An expert in the field. I cannot for the life of me remember how they come upon this. But, They're like, well, we got to find this guy and talk to him. So they, and this is like a little meta because the movie is based on a book written by a guy named John Keel. And this guy's name is Alexander Leak. Keel spelled backwards. Oh, my God. Genius.

And the guy who wrote the book, John Keel, says that he did have like premonitions and stuff. So, anywho, they find Alexander and they're like, we got to talk to this guy. John tracks him down and shows him the drawings and says,

like, I think you might know something about this. And Alexander is definitely, we see recognition in his eyes. He asks, where are they seeing it? And he says, in a place called Point Pleasant, West Virginia.

And he's like, well, something really bad is going to happen there. And like, you should leave. You shouldn't be there. Is he also like, also my wife who lives in this place, who died? Right. No, he doesn't tell him that. Okay. I don't think.

But good point. Maybe that happened to the wife to bring him to the place. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You can't just walk away from a haunting. when they're attached to you. When it involves your wife's death. Yeah.

Otherwise, you could just get right the hell out of there. Yeah. So that's all Alexander says and then is like, I don't want to, I don't want anything to do with this. And John goes back to tell Connie, Gordon had a premonition and it came true. And she's asking, like, did he describe, like, are there? these like visions or dreams and John says it's like it sounds like almost dreamlike but I to him it's it's very real and we see Laurelini's face like she's like kind of like the one I'm having she's like so say this is happening to my friend so I know someone yes she says I had a dream like

that. And she describes it. And she says, in my dream, I was in the middle of the ocean and I was drowning. And there were presents all around floating in the ocean. And I was trying to hold on to one to save myself, but I couldn't grab onto anything. And eventually I just started sinking like a rock to the bottom of the ocean and I felt very peaceful like I had let go finally and I was okay with it and

then a voice said wake up number 37 and I woke up this moth is really into numbers what are you up to moth man what do you up to so the next day John gets a call from Gordon

and Gordon says I saw him. And John's like, what? You saw who? He's like, also Gordon is like, as all this is happening, everyone is seeming like less and less of a reliable narrator. It's kind of like everyone is simultaneously like having their own like spiral into madness, but also like it's real. But it seems so crazy.

And so it's. And also every, anytime there's. a phone call, there's like question about the validity of the phone call because the the entity, the mothman seems capable of making phone calls and impersonating voices. Okay. So, but Gordon tells John that he saw the moth man and we see a vision of what Gordon saw and it's all very blurred and hard to see, but he's like, see. He's this tall man-like figure coming out of this building, and it's lit in such a way that you can't distinguish any clear features.

The building lit in such a way. And he says that he approached him. He looked like a man, but wrong. Uh-huh. More like a maw. The vision that we see doesn't look all that mothy. But yeah, so Gordon says, he said, do not be afraid. My name is Indrid Cold.

One more time. Indrid cold? I'm so sorry. I can't have heard that right. What was it? Indrid cold. Indrid. One word.

Writing this in my notes was so annoyed. It's like, oh, you must mean Ingrid. I'm like, no, actually, I wish I did. I mean Indrid cold So Indrid says Do not be afraid My name is Indrid Cold In a place this size

Equator 300 will die And this is Gordon Now again retelling this to John John's like I don't understand What does that mean? What are you talking about? And then Gordon pulls out a newspaper from that morning that there has been an earthquake in Ecuador. 300 people have been killed. And Gordon's seeming like kind of less freaked out by this somehow. He's like, I get it.

Like, I'm starting to get it. And it's real. Like, this is real. And John is not on the same page. And he's like, I don't understand. I don't know what you're talking about. So John goes back to Connie. I think he's like, he's feeling worried about Gordon and is like something's going on. I don't know. And as they're like talking, John gets a call from Gordon. They're in John's motel room. And Gordon says, I'm here with him. I'm here with Indrid.

Indrid. Oh, no. Oh, no. He pronounced Ecuador Equator, but his name I've clarified is Indrid, specifically Indrid. That's correct. That's his name. He keeps going, one more time? The connection's bad because that's not.

One more time? I can't be hearing that right. First name, Indrid. Last name, cold. C-O-L-D. Cold. And he's like the guy from my dream. He's here now.

He's here with him. I'm here with Indrid. Cool. John gives Connie. No, cold. Cold. Ingrid, cool. Indrid cold.

So John gives Connie a signal like, go to Gordon's, like check on Gordon right now. So Connie runs out. John stays on the phone and says, let me talk to him. I'd like to talk to Indrid. And he says, okay, yeah, here you go. And the voice that comes through on the other end sounds like, I mean, I think it is, like five voices layered together.

Oh, freaky. And it's kind of high-pitched and it says, hello, John. And he's like, okay, who is this? Who is this really? And his, Indrid just starts reciting facts about John's life that no one but him could know. He's like, your dad was born in this town. And you grew up in a greenhouse on this. He just like goes off.

And he's just like, here's your whole life. Indrid just goes off. He fucking goes off. And John is like, okay, you have my attention. And then John takes his watch and drops it in his shoe and slides his shoe under the bed. And he says, where's my watch? And injured says, in your shoe under the bed. And then John reaches into the bedside drawer and grab something.

We don't see what it is. He says, what am I holding in my hand right now? And the voice goes, Chapstick. Is that what you and your mom quote to each other all the time? And he opens his in and we see Chapstick. And that is how my mom and I asked each other for chapstick for the rest of our lives. That's really good.

That's really good. It's really good. It's such a funny word to say so creepy. I love it. Then Indrid says a few more creepy things. And he starts talking about Mary and he's like, you can't find Mary by looking. You will see her in time. And are we ever like, what's your deal?

Yeah, like who, what? Like, before I'd be like, where's my watch? I would ask, what do you want? Why are you here? I think he does. I think he does. And Indrid is like basically saying things like you're not. You're speaking in riddles.

He's speaking in riddles and like you wouldn't be able to comprehend. Like what? Fucking try me, Indrid. Jesus. So we cut to Connie arriving at Gordon's house and knocking on the door. And Gordon has been asleep this. whole time. Whoa. So who's on the...

So Indrid was pretending to be Gordon. Indrid is so tricky. Where is Indrid? Is Indrid in John's room? Indrid's with John. Injured is everywhere. Injured's everywhere. Everywhere. Was John just... Is this movie going to end?

John was like in a car accident at the beginning and he's been dead the whole time? No, thanks. Okay. I'm really glad. So John had recorded the phone call. He's a reporter. He's got, he's got stuck. He's a star reporter, not just a star reporter. And he takes it to be analyzed, and they're looking at it at the, like, you know, they're analyzing it.

And they say that this couldn't have come from human vocal cords. Best I can tell, this is an electrical signal. Like the noises were made electric. Can they hear what they were saying or does it just sound like static to them? They can hear it. Oh, okay. So he goes back to, he finds Alexander again. And he's like, listen, I really need to talk.

I really need. We've reached the point in the movie where you have to tell me everything. I need all the information. And Alexander says similar things to Indrid where he's like, we won't, we won't be able to understand. Like, you can ask all the questions you want and you're never. going to get answers. And I was in your position at a time. And I was getting premonitions and nobody would believe me. I almost got arrested. These people thought I was like causing the accidents. A lot of people died. I never prevented any deaths. My wife left me. Everyone thought

I was insane. I spent four years in a psychiatric facility. My children stopped talking to me. It ruined my whole life. And so eventually the, like, I realized that the answer to the question of, like, what was happening did not matter as much as, like, my life unraveling. Life. And when did he write the book? I'm just curious. Did he write, it was the act of writing the book, what made him go crazy? Or did he write the book, like, after the whole thing was over? I think after. I don't know. I'm just curious. Okay. So basically Alexander is just telling him, like, you have to stop. Like, it's, it will.

It's only going to harm you. You're not going to be able to control any of this. But Richard Gere doesn't like that. Yeah, but John's like, I'm a star reporter. I think I can find out all the answers. Also, my wife's already dead. Yeah. What's the worst you can do?

So I'm going to keep going, I think. Yep. We solved that problem at the beginning. So John's. back at his motel. He's unraveling. He's not looking great. He's looking in the mirror now.

And like, we're seeing Richard Gere in the mirror. It's looking like him. But he's looking like that's not what he's seeing. And then he has a vision of, like, smashing his head into the mirror, a bit of a jump scare. But then it didn't happen. It's just a, he's imagining it. And then he gets snapped out of it by the phone ringing. call from Gordon.

You never know. You never know. And it does always have like enough of a static-y effect on it that no phone calls can be trusted. He answers. Gordon says, it's real, John. He was right about everything. And John is like, where are you, Gordon? Where are you?

And he says, it's okay, John. You don't have to be scared. I'll see you in time. and hangs up. John rushes to Gordon's house. It's empty. Gordon's wife has left him in here somewhere as well. Okay.

And so his house is empty. All the doors are open. He's calling out to him. Nobody's there. And he's searching like the perimeter of the house and finds Gordon dead in the woods next to his house, like, propped up against a tree. The police and paramedics arrive.

Connie is there. And Connie tells him it looks like he's been dead for about eight hours. He died of exposure. What time did he call you? Of course, John says he called me, like, an hour ago. I think Laura Linney in this part says, I don't like this. I don't like this. Not to get too upset here, but I don't like this. I'm not a fan of what this whole thing that's happening. I really don't like that. I'll see you in time. Time has never sounded so menacing.

Yeah. Yeah. Then I think we jump in time a little bit to the funeral, Gordon's funeral, and one of the townspeople comes up to John afterwards and is like, I got your voicemail. Oh. John is confused. Indrid. And the man says, I don't know why you were warning me about an accident at the chemical plant. There's never been an accident there. And John is just like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, obviously I have to go do more investigating.

And he's like, something's going to happen at the chemical plant, obviously. But Sammy, nothing's ever happened at the chemical plant. So nothing ever will. That's how it works. He goes to the police station to find Connie to, you know, say something bad is going to happen to the chemical plant. You have to believe me. As he's walking in, we see Deborah Messing walking out. He doesn't notice her.

Wait, he doesn't see her? He doesn't see her. Oh, no. She's looking at her. Pretty ragged. But alive. And then he goes in to talk to Connie and she says, did you see the woman that just was in here?

She was looking for you. And he's like, what? No, what woman? She's like red hair, green eyes. She was asking about you. She said she wanted to see if you were happy. And he runs out to try to see. Nobody's there.

He pulls a photo of her out of his wallet and is showing it to Connie. Like, was this her? Was this her? Connie knows that that's his dead wife. So she's like, her wheels are spinning as well. And she's like, uh, yeah. Her hair was pretty different. Like she doesn't want to be like, yeah, yeah, it was your dead wife.

And he's really freaking out. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. He goes back to the motel. Phone rings. It's just electrical static on the other. And there's a lot of voicemails that have been left of just static buzzing. And then it rings again. He answers again.

We hear Indrid's voice. Indrid says, I'm sorry, John. I feel like I ruined everything. That's what his wife said. Against them. Indrid, cut the shit. What is Indrid's fucking end game, dude? Come on.

What do you want? And then he says, a great tragedy on the Ohio River. Who's 37? Have we learned that yet? Mm-mm. Mm-hmm. So, then he gets a call from his co-worker who's like,

hey, we, like, you've been spending a lot of time out there. We kind of, are you getting anywhere? Like, we kind of need you back here. The governor is going to this chemical plant. Can you go co-cover that? And John is like, ding, ding, ding.

Oh, 37th governor. What number chemical plant? What deli order did they order beforehand? A deli order. Oh, the chemical plant is on the Ohio River. Yes. And it's called Chernobyl. Mini little Chernobyl.

It's called mini Chernobyl. Alexander said that there's Mothman sightings at Chernobyl. He talks about how, like, the sightings always happen before a terrible thing. A terrible event. Mothman on the Titanic. So Richard Gere, John is like, okay, I got to go. stop the governor from going to this chemical plant. He rushes to the airport. Not the governor. It doesn't work that way. You can't stop it once it started. Injured. Can't save any lives.

Can't save anyone. He, yeah, basically it costs the governor like as he's getting off an airplane and is like, you can't go to the chemical plant. It's kind of a great tragedy seeming very insane to the point where, yeah, the governor is like, I think you should call the head of the Washington Post and like get that guy fired. So it does nothing. Then he goes to Connie and is like trying to beg her to like leave with him like something really bad's going to happen. We have to go. Connie's like I'm not going to live my life like that. Like no, I'm not doing that. But John, you should, you don't live here. I know. Go to your actual home. Like you knew Gordon for like four days. Get out of here, dude. Yeah.

So she tells him, injured cold might be real to you, but he's not real to me. Okay. He's in the diner, and a news report comes on about the chemical plant, and he is like, turn it up, here we go. And the news report is like, the governor toured the chemical plant today, and it went great. And he gave it an A-plus rating, and it's like a real. news report about how great it went. About not news at all.

Right, right. The tour was. And this really rattles John. He's confused. And then the hostess comes up to him and says, you got a message, hands him a little note. There's a little typed note inside that says, Mary will call you Friday at noon at your home in Washington. in D.C.

So he's like, okay, I got to go, I got to go back. I got to go back to D.C. Okay. Connie notices this like shift. And Connie's obviously just worried about him generally. He's seeming pretty unwell. Hmm.

But he leaves. He goes home and he's just like, it's Friday, presumably, and he's just like staring at the phone, waiting for the call. It's a couple minutes to noon. He's just waiting, waiting, waiting for the call. Phone rings. Not quite noon yet. And it's Connie.

And she says, he says, hey John, I was wondering if we could just talk for about 10 to 15 minutes. And he looks at the clock and is like, I don't really have time right now. Can I call you back? And we see Connie, like we see her on her end of the phone line. So it is her. Okay.

And she says, I booked you a flight back here for Christmas. It's Christmas, I guess, the next day or something. And you should be around the people who love you, John. Yeah. She's like, there has been like some chemistry between them. I see. In pretty awkward moments where they're like, I don't know, dealing like with really intense things. Like tamping down a bit.

Yeah. But she says she doesn't want him to be alone on Christmas. And I want you to be here when the big accident happens. Can you meet me at the chemical plant for Christmas? I want to have a chemical plant Christmas with you. And he's sounding pretty manic and he's like, he's like, Connie, I can stop it. I can stop whatever's going to happen. I'm going to be, I'm going to figure it out and I'm going to stop it. I'm going to stop what, something's going to happen and I'm going to stop it from happening. And she's like very sad eyes. She's like, John, no, you're not. Like you can't stop anything, even if you stopped one thing. Like there's always going to be earthquakes.

There's always going to be accidents. The people you love are going, like they'll die. Everyone will die. Like you can't control any of it. No matter what that. voice might tell you. And that seems really emotional. He starts, like, sobbing and he's like, she's going to call me.

She's going to call me. And Connie says, no, she's not, John. She's dead. And even if it's her voice, it's not her. And I don't know where Mary is, but I don't think she's anywhere near Indrid Cole. and cold, excuse me and he's like really, really sobbing

and he just says, I miss her so much, I miss her so much. And Connie's like, I know you do, I know you do. And he's like, okay, I'll come, I'll come back. And he hangs up and he's getting ready to leave when the phone rings right at 12 months. on the dot. And he's staring at it.

It's ringing and ringing. And he's like crying and upset. But instead of answering it, he pulls the line out of the wall. And then it starts ringing again. And he runs out of the house. He's driving back to Point Pleasant, even though she bought him a flight. But, yeah, the logistics there. I'm a little blurry on.

But he's heading back. He's going back to West Virginia, right? West Virginia. My mama, take home. Country roads. He's listening to that? Yeah, exactly.

That's the vibe. That's the vibe. So he gets to, I guess it's like the bridge into Point Pleasant, and it is so backed up. There's like a traffic light problem happening. So this bridge just has one million cars on it. And we see that Connie is on the other. side of the bridge. She's also stuck in this traffic. It's just gridlock. Nobody can move. And John gets out and wouldn't you believe it, he starts sensing something. We're getting

close-ups on his ears and on his fingers and on his feet also for some reason. His feet. He's sensing from everywhere. And he's like whispering to himself, great tragedy on the Ohio River and we see that this bridge is indeed. Bridge number 37? Going over the Ohio River. No, the bridge is not. We'll get there. We'll get there.

Okay, okay, okay. Okay, I just get something. You got it. And he starts running across the bridge, trying to tell everybody, get out of your cars, get off of the bridge. And he sees the young guy that had the eye, the eyes that swelled up, is in his. His car, like on the middle of the bridge and he's banging on his window just feeling, get out, get out of the car. You need to get off the bridge right now.

And his music's up really loud. So he can't hear him. And he's like, what? What? And we're seeing like little screws in the bridge kind of straining and it's feeling kind of final destination-y or it's like things are the things are in motion. This bridge is coming down. And sure enough, one of the like metal support wires snap. and like flings down,

smashes through the windshield of this guy's car and like kills him somehow. And it said in one of the trivia is that this was a time that you see the mothman. I didn't see him in this. But I guess maybe in some cut of this, it was like similar to the Debra Messing scene where you get a little flash.

Because you're like flying on the, on the wire. Like, wee. Wee. Is that the vibe? Yeah, that's the vibe. Okay. And then the bridge just starts collapsing. We've got like a hundred cars on this bridge.

You know I'm bad at this, but that's my guess. And it's collapsing. Cars are falling into the river below. Connie is at the like other end of the bridge. bridge and she's also like kind of running car to car trying to get people out of their cars to safety and she runs back to her car to call for backup and something happens that she gets like knocked unconscious I think something like hits the car and she hits her head and so now she's unconscious in her car this scene is like it is it feels like very final destination yeah

We're seeing a lot of expensive looking cars falling into water. This is, I mean, it doesn't look amazing, but it's pretty epic. And I had no memory of the scene at all. So kind of interesting to see it. I was like, oh, all I remember was a cheap chapstick. So they had both kind of been making their way towards the middle of the bridge. Now the middle of the bridge is gone. it's fallen, crashed into the water below.

And John is kind of standing on the edge of the side of the bridge that he was on, and he can see Connie in her patrol vehicle as it's sliding down into the water. And he, of course, jumps in after her, even though there's so much falling debris. It's extremely, extremely dangerous. And he's able to. yeah, like pretty easily seemingly swim down to her car and get her out of there. And there's like a perfect air pocket in her car that they can like breathe in. She's still unconscious. But he grabs her. He pulls her out. We're seeing presents floating everywhere.

Oh. Christmas. Christmas. Her premonition. Okay. And the camera pulls, get like a wide overhead shot that pulls back. we're seeing all like the headlights in the water as he pulls her up to the top and they're surrounded with presence. Okay, so you can save someone with probably no consequences. So it does work, full proof. Okay, I don't know, keep going. I don't know. So we come back up a little while later as we see like the search and rescue team pulling bodies out of the water is a mass casualty event.

I'm in training for this in my cert classes. So I would be really helpful on the scene here. We see John wrapped in a blanket, just taking in the chaos of the scene. And then we pan to reveal Connie also wrapped in like the little foil blanket sitting on the back of an ambulance. She's pretty out of it. And she's like, oh, you are here. I thought I was dreaming. And he's like, no, I'm here.

This is real. And then a firefighter walks up to them, like, sheriff, just so you know, total number 36 people died. And she's like, 36, wake up number 37. And her and John, like, look at each other, like, oh, wow. And then they, like, lean into each other and just, like, lean their heads on, like, huddled together. So, Indred's kind of good? Indrid's a good guy. And the camera pulls out.

We get some text that says the cause of the bridge collapse was never determined. All those sightings have continued around the world. Mothman was never seen. in point pleasant again. And that's the end of the movie. What? So, Indrid's like, I'm not the good or the bad guy here. I'm just telling it like it is.

Yeah. Yeah, he's just like here to have some fun. You didn't get, you didn't actually get in the way of my prophecy. Like, that was the prophecy. Yeah. So I'm still in control. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Wow.

Okay. That was fun. I like these mystery movies, you know? And I, why is his name Indrid? I was like, it has to be an anagram for something, but. Indrid Cold. I'm Googling it. Because like that is, what a choice to never explain.

Yeah, I guess let's talk a little bit about the, what it's based on, about Indrid. Tell us the lore. Well, so in Point Pleasant, there were apparently like a hundred or so residents that reported seeing a six to seven foot tall winged creature with glowing red eyes. It was actually described more bird-like than moth-like. A lot of people saw like feathers. And now a lot of people think it might have been barred owls, like off their migratory path. Whoa.

So people, like, weren't used to seeing such large birds. Big freaky owls, yeah. But I didn't know about injured cold, so tell us about injured cold, Emily. It's just that. It's the mothman guy. I don't know why his name is. Indrid Cold. Okay, it says

Cold was initially named by West Virginia Contactee Woodrow Darren Bird at a press conference. He described Cold was a male humanoid extraterrestrial.

Known as the Grinning Man or Smiling Man. Ew. Really spooky. I don't like that. But it does, yeah, just come from that encounter. Ew.

Indrid Cold. On Reddit, Indrid Cold, a West Virginia alien. Really weird. It's believed that he's connected with the men in black. Oh, wow. Commonly associated with UFO activity. This shit is really fascinating to me, but it also kind of, I was reminded of when we did that bonus episode on cursed films, where you, like, try to attribute explanations to the unexplainable.

Like it feels like a coping mechanism of like dealing with like some sort of big tragedy. Cruel randomness of life. But that said, I do enjoy like I am fascinated by all of this. Like I might have to read this book, The Mothman Prophecies. I bet it be fun. Yeah. And also all the sightings are like it was a big scary man. Like it was a big man smiling.

me. And it's like, no, that might just have been a man. Might have just been a man. Might have just been a big scary man. And it was scary. But just a man. Just a big. Just a man being scary. I mean, well, not just, but. Fascinating. Fascinating. Also the thing about 100, like, a hundred people seen it, it's like, you have to wonder if. It becomes like, like, like, yeah, I was all to have seen it. Yeah. Yeah, I saw him. Right. Oh, I saw him too. I mean, it a lot of. I mean, it a lot of Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not left out at all because I saw him 100%.

So is this can... Maybe I'm going to start saying this is my favorite Christmas movie. Yeah, I was going to say it's Christmas. This is a Christmas movie. That's fun. This counts. This and die hard. Yep, yep, yep.

Although one thing I'll say to complicate the picture is that in her dream, in Laura Linney's dream, she was at peace and happy to have died. True. Maybe she was at peace because she knew she was going to get saved. Oh, okay, maybe. Or Richard Gere. She was falling. She was at peace because she was like, I'm going to be just fine. Also, the, like, post text that says the cause of the bridge collapse was never determined

is not true. So there really was a bridge collapse and actually killed 46 people. Damn. But the cause was determined by, like, there were too many cars on it. It just couldn't support the weight. Oh, that feels like a thing that should not be allowed to happen. Yeah. It didn't have... Don't put a light at the end of a bridge. Or put gates up so that only put the light before the bridge. Yeah. I hope they made some changes in the bridge industry after this happened.

In the bridge industry. I don't love... There's actually no explanation. It was aliens. There's nothing we could have done differently. It was aliens. We didn't do anything wrong, actually. It couldn't be determined. Couldn't be determined what caused it, actually. Life is out of our control. I definitely saw a big guy named Indrid.

So it's probably that. Indrid cold. Yeah. Indrid gold. Fascinating. Very interesting. Very interesting. Yeah.

I'm of two minds about it because part of me is like, well, conspiracy theory. Like I do think there's like a sinister side of getting too deep into the lore of things like this. But it just has that really strong allure where I am like, I want to know everything. But. I was on a TikTok algorithm for a while where I was getting. a lot of stories of people talking about. They're like glitch in the Matrix stories, but these were specific time glitches.

It was a lot of stories coming from a lot of nurses who were driving to work or driving home from like driving to the hospital. Like there was always a situation with a nurse on a highway and time doing things that it was not supposed to be doing. And I trust it. They're definitely not overworked. And like massively sleep deprived and just on a 48 hour shift. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. It's the weirdest thing. It's all these nurses. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. My TikTok algorithm for a time was that specific. I was getting a lot of those videos.

Interesting. Yeah. It's got to be. It has to be completely 100% real. I think so. Yeah. Fascinating. Have you guys ever had that happen to you, though,

where you thought that it had only been. like a couple minutes and it'd actually been a couple hours or anything like strange like that. Not anything that big, but I mean, I definitely like arrived at a place and been had the realization that I can't recall a single second of getting there. I've been driving my car for 20 minutes and like did I exist? Like if something crazy happened, would I have read just like, you know? Yeah. Definitely had that before. Sometimes I think about that because I read a blog post from someone one time being like, and I can't even remember like the stories I read my kid last night. And now I'm like, do I ever remember the stories I read? Like I try to, I read the stories and I put them to bed.

And then I'm like, we just read three books. I can't even remember what books we just read. I don't know. When you're so on autopilot, that makes sense. Yeah. Spooky. I love this movie. I had a great time. I had a great time. I had an absolutely wonderful time. Me too. Me too. I want to ask you to participate with me in this sign-off where we can layer our voices together. And we'll have to all do kind of different pitches. Okay. You can be high.

I'll be medium. Henley, Henley, you go low. Okay. Okay. Okay. So from all of us here at Too Scary. Did it watch? Goodbye.

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