Too Scary; Didn't Watch - THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS

Episode Date: December 11, 2024

Severed heads, deadly nightshade, and lotsa jazzy singing about death, we're recapping Tim Burton's THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS! Join us as we discuss how the pumpkin king got his groove back!!Movie Intro @ 16:44Trivia @ 20:55Recap starts @ 23:44TrailerFollow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram.Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content!Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy.Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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and you're listening to Too Scary Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy and I love watching scary movies. And so I watch them so that you don't have to and I'm back, I'm happy. You're just back. To be with my friends.

It feels like it's been so long, Sammy. It really does because it was like right after Thanksgiving and so we didn't record that week either. Mm-mm. Too long. Way too long. I don't like it. I don't like it one little bit. Don't ever let this happen ever again.

I promise. Don't ever let this happen again. I promise. You have my word, cross my heart, hope to die. If you ever travel again. I'll be so mad. Never again, never again. And we are, today's gonna be an easy one, folks.

Oh yeah. Easy breezy. Nice, easy breezy. Frictionless. Frictionless episode for you today. And if you wanna jump right to it, we have timestamps in the show notes because first we have a little bit of haunted housekeeping. Yes.

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I missed you guys. We missed you. Oh, we missed you. And I have to know, did anything scary happen to you this week in my absence? Oh my God. Without me there to protect you? I know, it's hard.

The cloud of you not being there just casts such a big shadow over everything. Everything seems scary. I guess I'll just say, I decided I wanted to watch movies this month, which is, you know, whoa. But I had a moment of motivation. Movies you haven't seen before.

Movies I haven't seen, yeah, important distinction. Thank you, thank you. That's very important. Yeah, important movies. And particularly long movies. Movies that I have not seen because they're too long. Or that are gonna be too good. And so I'm like, well, I can't take that in.

My brain can't take that in. I was like, you know what? I don't know, it's December. I've got more time on my hands for reasons I'll get into later. The sun sets earlier. I was like, you know what? I can do it.

I can watch some movies. Let's watch some movies. I made a whole list. And then I haven't touched that. I just hadn't touched that list because it's like, ah. I wanna know what that list is because I always want that list in my life. Well, guess what?

Last night I stuck to my freaking guns. Oh yeah. I was gonna make Joel watch The Family Stone, something, guess what? I have seen many times. But I was like, no, we can watch that closer to Christmas. Let's watch a movie on the list. And I did it. And I freaking watched Poor Things to Christmas. Let's watch a movie on the list. And I did it.

And I freaking watched Poor Things, finally. Oh, I've actually seen Poor Things. I haven't seen like any movies, but I have seen Poor Things. So I guess what's scary is like, I gotta watch the rest of these movies because it was so good. Movies are so good.

I really couldn't think about anything but you at all of those outfits. I was just like, these outfits were made for Emily to see. The outfits, everything about it, I was like, how have I not been obsessed with this since the second, I mean, I've seen outfits and have been obsessed with those, but I just, yeah, just being immersed in it. All the aesthetics, that so sets the colors.

Oh my God. I wanna like curl up inside every part of it. And it was also just so good. Like it's just, movies are really good and that's scary because there's so many I haven't seen and I guess I have to see them now. Poor things. I felt like I wanted to like scream

at the top of my lungs afterwards about how weirdly puritanical we are in our culture about sex. It was like such a reminder that like, oh yeah, women like feel pleasure and that's okay. And we like never talk about it. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like it's like so- And that a sexual awakening is like empowering for a woman. Right. Exactly. That if you're in control of it and you can choose how it happens and decide how and when you want sex, it can teach you about yourself. Yeah. Yes. And make you a powerful person. Oh my God. It's yeah. She's also just. God damn it. And again, I know she won the freaking Oscar for it. I'm way behind the times, but god damn it, is she good.

She's great. She's fucking good. And yeah, I just need to like make 20 giant sleeves now. All I wanna do is make big, big sleeves. Big, big sleeves. Oh, short little skirts. Short little skirts, flowy little silk shorts, and big, big sleeves. Yeah. And little skirts. Short little skirts, flowy little silk shorts and big, big sleeves.

And little boots. And I need to grow my hair 12 feet long. I was like, God damn it, why did I cut my hair? Anyway, I'll send you my list time, but be prepared. There are a lot of long movies on it. No, I really want that list, because anytime I've felt that feeling, I get immediately overwhelmed.

I'm like, I don't know which to choose. Yeah, you've got to have a list. There's simply no way you can go into the ether of the apps, the streaming apps. You can't do it. You have to have a list and then use your list to go, where is the streaming? You can't go the other way around. No, I don't think I've ever, almost ever in my life, been browsing on a streaming app and like found something to watch that I wanna watch. Yeah. I don't think it's ever happened.

I don't think, yeah, I don't think anybody ever has done that. I don't think it's ever happened to anyone. Not one single person in the whole world? Okay, well, speaking of female empowerment, I have something to talk about too. Oh, amazing. Which is my mom visited last week.

We went to go see Suffs, the musical on Broadway. Have you guys heard of this? My sister saw it and loved it. Suffs? Loved it, loved it. Can't stop talking about it. Can you spell that for me? S-U-F-F-S.

Okay, that is what I was picturing. Suffragettes, right? Well, yeah, suffragettes. So this is something I learned. Well, I'll get into that. So this is a musical written by Shayna Taub. It's won a bunch of Tonys. It's only up until January 5th. So if you can see it in the next few weeks, see it.

So I've heard, my sister was like, can you get to New York before January 5th? They loved it. And I was like, I don't think that I can. I'll have to catch it on the tour. Well, part of also what made it so incredible to me anyway, was Shayna Taub performing in it. She's also the main character, Alice Paul. She portrays Alice Paul.

And her voice is so unique. I'm not really a musical theater person, but I have like kind of a caricature idea of what a musical theater voice sounds like. And her voice is so powerful and it's very clear, but it has like a kind of character to it, like a kind of nuance to it. It's almost like a country voice.

There's something about it that I can't put my finger on, but it made it so, at least for me, I just really enjoyed hearing her sing. She's also been working on this musical for like 14 years. And so it's perfect. Like, it is perfect. A lot of the actresses, it's all women in it. A lot of the actresses have also been working on it for a really long time together,

so they've all just done it so many times. It's like really just so, so perfect. So I don't know. And I mean, yeah, it's, it's about the suffragist movement. One thing I didn't know is that the newspapers coined them suffragettes to try to belittle them. Yeah, because it's like a rockquette. Exactly. A pipette. It's all a little cutie. I can't think of any other words that end with that. Exactly, exactly. Coquette.

Coquette. Yeah, instead of like an abolitionist or any other kind of activist suffragist, they renamed them suffragettes. And in my brain, still to this day, I think of them as suffragettes. What the fuck is that? That's what we were taught. Isn't that crazy? So and also I didn't realize that the musical starts in 1913 and by then they had already been campaigning for the right to vote for 60 years. 60 years. And so they wouldn't get the access to credit cards for another 70. I know.

Until 1975 or something. Can't get their own freaking bank accounts. Yeah, so it was, I don't know, I think the main thing for me was Shayna Taub. I was like, holy shit, I'm gonna follow your career so closely. I then looked her up and she's like such a dweeb and she plays the accordion. She is so funny.

She's like a political activist playing the accordion, like a five, three, like powerhouse woman. And I'm just like, whoa, you're so funny to me and I fucking love you. I'm obsessed with you. Love that feeling. Anyway, so I guess the sad thing is that it took me as a 34 year old woman watching a Broadway musical

to like learn anything about women's right to vote. I like didn't know anything about it until I watched the musical and shit. Like she was imprisoned and went on a hunger strike and was force fed. And like there's a lot of violent fucked up things that happened in order for women to get the right to vote. And it's all been pretty whitewashed, I'd say. So Well, we've done a really good job with it this time around, all the women. Now, this isn't a commentary. Take it away!

I'm just kidding. What am I saying? This isn't a commentary on our current political system. I'm not trying to say anything about that. Why can I do that? Also, I'm only scorning white women. Black women did a fucking great job, as always. Anyway.

That's also addressed. They address the importance of intersectional feminism. And it's like a huge sadness in the musical too, is the fact that these black women campaign just as hard, but they were not going to have the same rights as the white women were. And it's just really fucked up. And anyway, the musical is great. I'm sad that it's closing so soon. Me too.

Maybe that will change, but right now I think it is. It's a hard time on Broadway right now. It's a hard time for it. Not for Cola Scola. I wanna see Oh Mary so badly. I wanna see Oh Mary as well. I'm so excited that Betty Gilpin is gonna be playing. I fucking love Betty Gilpin.

And I just am excited by that casting choice. I'm like, it was Cola Scola and now it's Betty Gilpin. Like, what are we gonna be doing there? It's like the KFC commercials. Yes, I guess anybody can be KFC. Wait, he's not KFC, he's Colonel Sanders. I couldn't remember Colonel Sanders. Mr. Kentucky Pratchettkin.

Mr. Mr. Mr. Anyway, Sammy, what about you? Well, speaking of female empowerment again, I'm gonna talk about a man. I'm gonna go different, take us a different direction. Where would be women be without men? I, for those who don't know, I was in Portugal for the past week

visiting my mom for her 60th birthday. Happy birthday, Nikki. We love you. On the flight back, I just was shocked and amazed at the man sitting behind me on a flight from Lisbon to Toronto. So this was an eight hour flight. Oh, I'm scared. He was flying with what looked to be about a three

or four year old girl and about a one year old and a cat. That is my worst nightmare. and about a one-year-old and a cat. That is my worst nightmare. His three-year-old daughter was just absolutely slamming the back of my seat the whole flight long. And I was just like, you know what? I'm gonna just let it happen. Like I can't. Yeah, this guy's got a lot to deal with.

I can't believe that this guy, and you know what? He was, he didn't seem that stressed, and I was really, really impressed. Was the cat fully drugged? Was the cat just like asleep? Or was the cat making a lot of noise? No, the cat was making a lot of noise. So even flying with one cat is a nightmare.

One child, too much? Too much. Yeah, I just couldn't believe my eyes, this dad flying solo with two children and a cat. Maybe he was drugged out of his mind. That's the only way I can imagine getting through that experience. I hope so. God, I hope so.

Did I tell the story on the podcast of the cat that took a shit on a flight that Joel and I were on at the time? I think so. Or at least I remember you telling me. I don't know if it was on the podcast or not. Listeners, reply. If I haven't told it, I'll tell it another time.

It was one of the craziest experiences of my life. Cats on a flight, it's a lot. And an eight hour flight, like when, that cat's probably gonna poop at some point. I mean, you were right in front of him. You woulda known, I guess. I didn't smell anything. So.

But he definitely was going, Mrow, mrow, mrow, for a lot of the flight. And dad was nonplussed, just kinda. What could he do? Carrying his baby up and down the aisle every so often. Leaving the cat to watch the three-year-old. Guys take care of each other.

I gotta walk around. It was really, really wild. And I, you know, am very blessed to travel. I love traveling. It's very fun. And I know not everybody gets to do it, but my God, long flights are really, really tough. Really tough.

That flight. Was it an overnight flight? No. During the day. It was during the day. I left in the morning from Lisbon to Toronto and then from Toronto to LA and was in a plane for 13 hours and it's just a long time to be sitting.

You know, it's really long. So long time. And I'm also someone who I'm a window seat person who kind of shuts my body off. So I don't stand up and walk around ever. I just sit. That's amazing to me that you're able to do that. I feel like I have to pee more on a flight

than ever, ever in my life otherwise. Like I always have to get up and pee cause I'm like so scared that I won't have the opportunity. I don't, I don't know. I know that feeling. I'm a window seat person too, but I'm always like paying attention to who's standing up because if anyone's staying up my aisle, I'm staying up too.

You know what I mean? Yeah, you gotta seize. Taking advantage of the opportunity. Yeah. But anyways, shout out to that guy. Men are incredible. Men are amazing. No notes.

God, what men can incredible. Men are amazing. No notes. God, what men can do. Men are incredible. It's just the patriarchy we have a problem with. Yes, yes, yes. That is true. We do, we love men. We do. As long as they're not murdering us, we're good with it.

That's the only one thing they could do to make us mad. Boris, very low, just don't murder us. Don't even try, don't even try. That's all we ask. That's all we ask. Let me live, man. Wow, what a hero. What? Yep.

A hero. You love to see it. Speaking of heroes, someone freaking watched a scary movie. Someone here. It's so scary. You guys ready for this? A really scary one. Henley, what are we doing?

Hold on to your butts. Okay, so we are doing Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas, the 1993 American Gothic stop motion animated musical fantasy film. Have you guys heard of it? Wow. Henley, I feel like you're our resident Tim Burton expert. This is not on purpose, but I gotta say finding horror movies

that are not too scary, not a lot of options, but Tim Burton does offer up a few. He does, yeah. We've also gone through a lot of the ones that we can handle, you and me. We've been doing this a long time, and I felt the same way when I was choosing the movie recently I was like, I think we've done all the ones

I wanna watch. I actually, I quoted you to Tim because we were looking for a movie to watch and I was like, fuck, Emily just said this to me like last week, but she was like, I was looking for a movie and I realized, I think I hate horror movies. I was like, I'm feeling that right now. I truly got so mad.

Why would I wanna watch any of this. I was like, I'm feeling that right now. Why would I want to watch any of this? Great selection though. I used to be very scared of this movie. I will admit as a child, I found this movie to be very scary. So I have seen this movie so many times and I don't know why or how because it is fucked up. Like it is.

Tim Burton's a little freak. He is such a freak. Like it's so easy to watch as an adult, but as a little kid, it is not okay. Like little kids should not be watching this movie. It is really dark. I was really scared of Beetlejuice too as a kid. Yeah, all his shit freaked me out.

Yeah, I wanna see Beetlejuice again. I haven't seen that in forever. I'm curious about that. Well, save it. Save it, Henley, it'll be another one that you can do. That's a good idea. Henley, I do wanna say that I feel like the more frictionless of a movie you choose,

I just, I feel compelled to- It ramps us up, yeah. To do a more friction-filled episode to make up for it. So I've got an idea for next weekend. I know that the combo of single white female and nightmare before Christmas, I was like, oh no, same is going to really, really hit us hard. No, I'm not strong enough. It's okay.

I can build up strength between now and then. I just have to really meditate on that. Yeah, just meditate on that. Okay, wait, so Sammy, have you, I'm holding space. Sammy, have you seen this movie? I have, yes. I don't remember being too scared of it as a kid, except for I feel like the mayor kind of sticks out to me

as being kind of scary The mayor scary I I mean that's that's how I was feeling when I was watching I texted you guys to make sure I hadn't already recapped it because I have seen this movie so many times like it is so deeply familiar to me How when why how when I like it is I was watching this as a child why, how, when, like, it is, I was watching this as a child. What? It is scary.

Would you watch it more often on, during Christmas time or during Halloween time? I don't even know. I don't even know when I was watching this. It seems, in my mind, it's Halloween-y. I think I was, but I also, I don't know. I'm not super familiar with it, to be honest, because it scared me too much as a kid.

I've definitely seen it, but I don't think I could really tell you the plot. OK, well, that's what I'm going to do right now. But that's who you're going to be. Yeah, thank God. Thank God. I don't have to tell you the plot because I couldn't. All right. So it came out in 1993. It's a budget of 18 million.

It made 107 million. It's only an hour and 16 minutes long. So it's a short one. Love that. They wouldn't do that anymore. It was directed by Henry Selig. It's written by Tim Burton, Michael McDowell, and Caroline Thompson, and it stars.

It wasn't directed by Tim Burton, huh? Surprising. No, he was too busy with Batman Returns or something. Great movie. And actually created, I did do some reading, it created a lot of drama between Tim Burton and Henry Selig. Cause both of them felt ownership over it

for different reasons. Yeah, that'd be tight. It stars Danny Elfman, Chris Sarandon, and Catherine O'Hara. She is the voice of the main woman in it, so that's fun. Sally. So some trivia for us.

The Nightmare Before Christmas originated as a poem written by Tim Burton in 1982 while he was working as an animator at Walt Disney Productions. So came from a poem. In 2023, the film was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being culturally, historically or aesthetically significant. So this is an important film. Do you know what I'm actually most, my like biggest touchstone for the Nightmare Before Christmas,

like where it most lives in my memory is how they do the Haunted Mansion at Christmas time to be Nightmare Before Christmas. I know that so much more than I know the actual plot of this movie. You probably know the whole movie then. The plot is, it doesn't matter so much more than I know the actual plot of this movie. You probably know the whole movie then. The plot is... It doesn't matter so much. I know what the characters look like.

And I gotta say, maybe this is a controversial opinion. I like regular old Haunted Mansion better. I don't like when it's Nightmare Before Christmas-ified. I like the regular old ghosts. Wow, Tim Burton is so mad at you right now. Damn. Sorry, man. It took a group of around a hundred people three years to complete this movie for one second of film up to 12 stop motion moves had to be made. So much work, so much work. And then

despite pushback from Disney, Tim Burton and Henry Selig fought against animating Jack Skellington, that's the main character, animating his eyes. So Burton had said, the first rule of drawn animation is that you have to have eyes for expression. But I thought it would be great to give life to these characters with no eyes. So Disney really fought for us to give them these friendly eyes, but we wouldn't budge and he just has dark holes in his head. So I didn't even notice that I read that afterwards. I was like, all right. I was like, all right. I didn't have eyes. I didn't even think about that. And he's a skeleton. Like, they still, they still kind of move, right?

With like expressions like I feel like the skull kind of contorts as as if it's eyebrows. Yes, 100%. His eyebrows like go up and down and his I think his eyes like move, but they are just dark holes. And also this is the craziest part to me, despite being considered a villain by many fans, Tim Burton does not consider Oogie Boogie evil. Oogie Boogie is fucked up, you guys,

and I cannot believe that Tim Burton. Oogie Boogie is something from the deepest, darkest depths of my nightmares, so. Oh, we'll get there, I guess. I do remember that being a little scary. He sings a song, an Oogie Boogie song. Yeah. It's a very jazzy song. Um, and this is a musical, which I'd also forgotten until I started watching it and I was like, Oh, damn it. It was to me fucking recap a fucking musical. God damn it.

You have to sing. You have to sing. And then lastly, this is the first fully animated Disney film not to be traditionally animated. Okay, and that's it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Okay. If you're spending time with loved ones for the holidays, chances are you're going to hear a lot of stories, the ones you love to hear and the ones you've heard too many times.

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We're zooming through a forest. We get to a grove of trees. The camera zooming around in a circle, showing each tree has a door with a symbol of a different holiday. A voiceover is telling us, a voiceover which I'll note, I'm pretty, does not appear ever again.

This is the only time I get a voiceover. Interesting. It was a long time ago, longer now than it seems in a place you've perhaps seen in your dreams. For the story you're about to be told took place in the holiday world of old. Now you've probably wondered where holidays come from.

If you haven't, I'd say it's time you begun. Bam, we land on one tree that has a spooky evil jack-o-lantern on it, and the door opens up and whoosh, we're whisked away into Halloween town. And whoosh. And whoosh, we're in Halloween town. And this is when we get the classic song

that you guys are probably familiar with, the most famous one. This is Halloween, this is Halloween. And you know why I'm familiar with it? They played on the haunted mansion in Disney and the haunted mansion. Oh, there we go, there we go. Yeah, that's the only one I really know,

like remember from this movie. So we're playing that song and we are zooming around Halloween town. We're meeting all of our main characters. We're meeting all of our townspeople. I'm not gonna sing you the song, but I will just tell you, you already did it for me. I don't have to. And I'm just going to tell you some things we see because it's important to illustrate

the scene. First of all, color palette, very dark, very gray, browns, grays, blacks, you know, very muted. We got some animated ghosts. We got some evil pumpkins squashed on a spikes. We got a monster with massive teeth and glowing red eyes hiding under a child's bed. We got the two-faced mare, who is shaped kind of like a fucked up Hershey kiss top,

very thin, and his head like switches back and forth. So happy face on one side, angry sad face on the other side. We have a werewolf with a busted shirt that kind of like looks like Elon Musk. I don't remember a werewolf with a busted shirt that looks kind of like Elon Musk. Busted shirt. There's a werewolf with a busted shirt. It caught me off guard. And I do have seen this movie many, many times.

I'm going to have to Google this because I have no recollection of this werewolf with the busted shirt. You know those pictures of Elon Musk naked on a yacht? You know, have you seen those pics of him shirtless on a yacht? That I won't Google. He has the exact same body type as this werewolf. That's all I'm saying. That's all I've ever seen.

Kind of like a block of cheese. Yes, exactly. Anyway, so then we got a couple of super old witches. We have a big tree with some skeletons hanging on it. We have a, oh, this is scary. We have a massive fat clown with a tear away face. He literally rips his face off into a black abyss. Oh, scary.

Eww. Really don't like that. Then we've got Sally, voiced by Catherine O'Hara. She's one of our main characters. She's a sewn together science experiment. She's locked away. She scared me. I loved her.

That's, I think, why I like this movie so much. I was obsessed with Sally. Yeah. I feel like my mom had a patchwork dress that always reminded me of this. Yeah, I think the stitching of her scared. It really scared me. Oh, well, Emily, there's a lot of limb stuff happening here.

That's a lot of stuff. And so she her limbs are coming off and being put back on. Yeah, maybe that's what it was about her that scared me. Yeah, it all needs to stay put. And then we also have Oogie Boogie, who is a really fucked up character, but we're gonna get more of him later. So everyone in town is parading around,

they're overjoyed, they've never been happier, they're singing their This Is Halloween song. Oh, there's also some children in this. My favorite child is a pudgy little guy in overalls who has no eyes. They've been taken out and sewn shut. And he absolutely loves to use that guillotine. And then his brother is another small child who kind of has like bat wings for legs and like a head with bat wings that he like stomps around on. And sometimes the little Pudgy one is walked around town

by his huge, huge like boulder of a mother on a leash. And so that's another thing that's kind of going on in the background sometimes. This is just so interesting when you think of them, they're like storyboarding and stuff. Sometimes I just, it's kind of fun to think about. It's deeply upsetting. How did they come up with this?

If they weren't so happy. Everyone is so happy and they just love to cause mayhem and pain. They're doing what they love. They love violence. Yep. It's Halloween town after all. They're just loving.

They live in the right place and you love that for them. They are eating this up. And then at the end of this parade is our main character, Jack Skellington. He is coming in on a wooden horse. He's dressed as a scarecrow. He's the pumpkin king. He lights himself on fire.

Everyone is cheering, dancing around him. He shoots off the horse, lands in a fountain made of like green goo and then emerges as his full self, a skeleton dressed in a tuxedo with no eyes and no hair. And hair and everyone is loving it. They are like, fucking obsessed with this guy. Like this guy is like, I don't know. He's kind of hot by Halloween town standards. I feel like I thought he was hot. He's in sex icon. I mean, there are crazy things that are said to him throughout this film by the female

coded characters. Okay. And throwing themselves coded characters. Okay. And throwing themselves at him. Yeah, I've written down some quotes. Yeah, be sure to let us know. I definitely will. So he says, he says, great Halloween everyone. It was our most horrible yet.

Thank you everyone. And the mayor is saying, we would be nowhere without your brilliant leadership, Jack. Like we're obsessed with you. The mayor at first I thought was maybe being like deceitful because he's a two-faced politician, but no, I think the mayor just like genuinely is also in love with Jack Skellington.

Sally's also looking on lovingly, she's obsessed with him. And then she, while she's looking at him, she suddenly grabbed by the arm by a tiny man in a wheelchair who has little matrix sunglasses. And he says, the deadly nightshade you gave me wore off Sally, come back with me. You're not ready for so much excitement. And he starts pulling her with him

and she protests and unravels her arm. She like takes the thread out of her arm and he pulls her arm out and she runs away and all these dead bugs and leaves fall out of her body. So I'm sure little Emily didn't like that very much. I didn't like that at all. I still don't. Meanwhile, Jack is being hit on by someone

that looks like a true deep sea predator, has like fish gills and huge lips. And she's saying, you make wounds ooze and flesh crawl, Jack. And he's trying to like get away from all of his admiring fans because it's too much for him. And luckily they're distracted by the mayor who's announcing it's time to give away the annual Halloween prizes, the most blood drained in a single evening, for example. And that gives Jack an opening to sneak away and have some time for himself.

So this is a man who is putting on a front. He is pretending to be the man he always has been, this Jack Skellington leader of the town, whoever he can look up to, who can uphold the mantle of Halloween every year, but he has just been doing it for too long. It's weighing on him. It's been too long.

It's weighing on him. It's not just weighing on him. He is over it. He's depressed. He lost his joy. He's lost it. He's lost it. He's sulking. He walks past a little monster jazz trio that's playing a funeral dirge. He throws them some money. The saxophist replies, nice work, bone daddy.

And he sighs and says, yeah, I guess. And he says, it was just like last year and the year before that and the year before that and the year before that. And he strolls on into the graveyard and here he becomes a real thinking man. They really lay that on thick. He's doing like the thinking man pose nonstop for this entire song and for the next thing. His hand is permanently attached to his chin. He is searching for answers. He walks past a grave of a dog. He knocks on it. A little dog ghost floats out. This is his best friend, Zero.

And he's just really trying to come to terms with this new feeling of depression, this new feeling of dissatisfaction. Sally also has followed him into the graveyard, not on purpose, she's there to pick some more of this deadly nightshade to poison her weird scientist father, and she's hiding behind a gravestone. Kind of poor things-esque.

I know, I'm just thinking that. It is, it is. God. Bella love God. She's loving everything she's hearing. God. And... Bella love God. She's loving everything she's hearing. We get the classic image of Jack walking up that steep hill with like the spiral at the end and the glowing full yellow moon in the background.

He's singing about a longing he's never known. And Sally, you know, clutches her heart and says, Jack, I know just how you feel. And he wanders out of the graveyard. She goes and picks some deadly nightshade and cut to her back at home, putting it into a big jar that says deadly nightshade on it, right as her dad, I don't know, comes in and he goes, Sally, you've come back. And they're in their weird little tower that has like dark stone wet walls, like a dungeon. And he's holding a lantern and he's rolling around

in his little wheelchair. And she says, I had to. And he says, for this. And he waves her severed arm at her. She says, yes. And he goes, shall we then? And he's so excited. He brings her to his lab and he sews her back up.

And this guy's face is so upsetting. He has like a big head that he could open up and he likes to open it up and he likes to massage his little brain in there and like do little like sticky things with his brain. And then he has these like little tiny eyes with his matrix sunglasses. And then he has these like little tiny eyes with his matrix sunglasses, and then a big old duck's bill

with like tiny rotted teeth and big swollen gums. And he's so gross. And he says, that's twice this month you've run off. And she goes three times, he goes, you're mine, I made you with my own hands. And she says, you can make other creations, I'm restless. And he says, it's a phase dear, it will pass. And all of this, I couldn't remember if he was supposed,

if they were supposed to be like lovers in some way, which would have been like really inappropriate, but he's definitely supposed to be like a father figure to her. But she's also like a prisoner. Oh yeah, no, none of it's okay. Oh, none of it's okay. Certainly none of it.

I'm not saying anyone should do any of this. Don't sew together a woman and keep them in your little laboratory, your dark, wet stone wall. Not as your wife or your daughter. Maybe just your daughter. No, don't do it. Meanwhile, Jack is lost in thought during a walk in the woods.

He's wandering through the woods, the dark night of the soul for Jack. He has zero following along. So soon. So soon. And the next morning, the mayor who is very happy humming, this is Halloween, this is Halloween, goes and rings- It's a catchy tune. It gets stuck in your head.

He goes and he rings Jack's doorbell. He has plans for next year's Halloween. He says, it's time. It's time to start planning. And when Jack doesn't answer, the mayor's face switches from his happy face to a sad face and he gets so flustered and he falls down all the stairs and is so distraught, overly distraught because Jack is gone. And he says, Jack, please, I'm only an elected official. I can't make decisions by myself. And then the sun rises and it's a massive evil jack-o-lantern, of course.

And Jack is still walking and he finds himself in a grove of trees, the same grove of trees we saw in the beginning. Oh my God. And- That's interesting, you go through the tree to get to the town, but you can walk through the town to get to the outside of the tree. And even more confusing, at the end of the film,

I think they might be in the real world and not in a holiday town at all. So I don't know what the physical laws of nature are in this world, but who cares? So he picks Christmas tree. That's the best one. He opens the door. He gets sucked in. He's like, this is Henley's birthday world. But a magical place. How funny would it be if he just went back and it was like Jesus times and that's what the movie was, turned into Passion of Christ. No it doesn't do that.

Don't worry guys. Clamation Passion of the Christ. Just a full recreation of Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ. That's what I was expecting. I was shocked. That's what not what happened. Yeah, we were all shocked. So then he falls down a spiral of snowflakes, a la Alice in Wonderland, and he lands in

a snow drift at the top of a brand new town. We got totally different vibes. We have brand new vibes, everyone. Does everybody have eyes in this town? Everyone has eyes and there's color. It's like a Coca-Cola commercial. There are adorable tiny little red houses glowing with warm light, covered in snow. There's a sparkling red and green Christmas decorations everywhere.

Jack eats some snow and is delighted and he's over the moon. I've never seen anyone show such excitement before. He sings a song called, what's this? He goes, what's this? What's this? Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da. Yes. What's this? What's this? And.

What is this? This. Exactly. See Sammy, you know. Great songs in this. He's shocked by what he's seen. Here are some things he sees. A snowman holding an umbrella.

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I am absolutely floating with it. Bed, pool, and games, 10 kids, two bed, kids in drawers, two babies, two scatter mistletoes. I just, I totally know a staircase of snowflakes. I'm, this is, I'm having the time of my fucking life right now. I just needed you to know. This is unbelievable. I'm so happy because when I watched this,

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He's on his moving vehicle. It's kind of like a hearse and it has a loudspeaker attached to it. And he's going around the town saying, have you looked under the, in the mausoleum? Look everywhere for Jack, Jack's missing. And everyone's looking for him. They sound an alarm, which is just a cat. Unfortunately, it's a cat. And they wind the cat's tail. And the cat opens his mouth really wide, you know, swaling. It would work. God, the other night Chi Chi started screaming louder

than we've ever heard her scream. Ever, ever, we were both jolted awake. Like what is, is someone, a cat is dying. And she just like wanted to come cuddle in bed and just needed to scream about it. So it would work. Just saying it would work. Yes, so Sally then goes to poison her creator again.

She throws some more deadly nightshade into a soup, but it smells really bad and he kind of catches onto her a little bit until- A fool he wants. A fool he bit until exactly. But then she and this for some reason this I really remember too from my childhood. She tricks him by dropping the spoon and replacing it with a slotted spoon. And then she you know, pretends to take a sip. Yes, I do remember that. I don't know why that like stuck in my brain so well. Maybe it's because right after that he opens up his skull and massages his brain

thinking about whether or not to drink the soup. And he's doubtful, but then he decides to gulp it down. And it's disgusting. It's all over his face and making the grossest noises you've ever heard. And she's delighted. She runs down free for a moment. So, the townspeople are all splayed out in the middle of the town square. They've given up. Who knows how long it's been? An hour, a couple hours, I think it's maybe been

one day. They're all like drained of life and can't get up. They're all lying down. But then they hear in the distance barking. Hope returns their eyes. Zero. Zero. Jack's returned. And he's on a Christmas sleigh loaded up with a bunch of Christmas goodies in the back. And the mayor says, where have you been, Jack? And Jack says, call a town meeting and I'll tell you. The mayor says, when?

And he says, immediately. He sort of grinched Christmas town. Oh yeah. I mean, it's gonna get so much worse, but yes. So Sally tucks Mr. Scientist in and heads to the town meeting. Jack gets up there and he tells everyone about Christmas town. He is like, I have this new thing I have to show you guys. He has a Christmas tree set up, which is really just like an old decrepit tree, put some lights on. He has a Christmas tree set up, which is really just like an old decrepit tree, put some lights on. He has a wrapped present.

He has a stocking, and he's trying to show everyone to explain to them Christmas. But the townspeople, they are not getting it. Like when they see the stocking, they say, is there a foot inside of it? Is the foot rotted? It wasn't taken off a body.

Is it dead? And he's like, no, you're not getting it. No, you fill it with toys. You fill it with toys. And they're like, why not severed body parts? And he's like, no, you're not getting it. No, you feel it with toys. You feel it with toys. And they're like, why not severed body parts? And he's like, no, you guys don't fucking get it. And he's worried because he wants his fellow citizens, who he loves and cares for so much, he wants them to understand the special kind of feeling

that Christmastown gave him. Christmastown gave him a special feeling and he needs to share it with his friends. A warm fuzzy feeling, I presume. He doesn't have the vocabulary, he doesn't have the language. He doesn't have the tools yet. Okay, okay.

So he goes home determined to get those tools. He goes home determined to recreate it. So then we get our research montage and it's really great. He's reading up on Christmas. He's reading books that are just called Rudolph or another book called First Noel. He has spider webs that are covered in Christmas lights and zero is sucking on a candy cane. And he's saying there has got to be a logical way to explain this Christmas thing. And then he says, I know,

and he goes and gets another book. And this book is called The Scientific Method. And so he is onto something here. Then we cut to scientist who is locking Sally away. He said, you poisoned me for the last time, you wretched girl. And he locks her in the dungeon. And then he hears a knock on the door, and he goes and opens it, and it's Jack Skellington,

who's there to say he needs to borrow some equipment so he can run some experiments. So then he goes back home and he's got his scientific equipment. He's got his microscope, he's got his beakers, he's running all different experiments. Nothing is going right, though. He's trying to make snowflakes out of paper.

Every time he does it, turns into a spider. Doesn't look like a snowflake. He's opening up teddy bears and there's nothing inside the teddy bear that's helping him. And he's looking at berries under a microscope, nothing there. And he is saying, what does it mean? He's getting so mad.

What does it mean? He's so frustrated. Meanwhile, Sally is running some experiments of her own. She's making a special bottle of wine and she places it in a little gift basket and lowers it with a rope and pulley down to the ground. Then she jumps out of her tower by like removing her body parts

and then stitches herself back up once she lands on the ground. And yeah, you see more of the leaves and bugs falling out of her body, which is pretty nasty. Does it help a little bit that she's in charge of removing her own limbs? Not for me. Though I will admit it comes in handy in this moment.

It comes in handy a lot. She's really resourceful with her limbs. So she walks over to Jack's house with her gift basket and he's doing a bunch of math experiments on a chalkboard, continuing to try to figure out Christmas. When he's interrupted by Sally's delicious gift basket, it includes a fish skeleton and a bottle of liquid that turns into a butterfly when he opens it.

But when he goes to thank her, she's run away. She's hiding in the graveyard, she's feeling shy. She's picking leaves off a dead flower. Remember doing that? Like, he loves me, he loves me not. That's a thing. And suddenly, the flower turns into a Christmas tree. But then suddenly, it self-immolates, completely lights on fire. and she's shocked.

And you see her, see like, danger's coming, something bad is about to happen. Townspeople are singing, the vampires are singing, they're saying something's up with Jack. This is also when we see the ogre-like woman walking around with a pudgy child on a leash. Everyone's like, what's going on with Jack? So at the end of all of these like scientific experiments,

he's frustrated, nothing's working. At first he seems like he's gonna give up, but then he says, no, I can't figure this out. So my solution to this is I'm gonna make Christmas hours. I'm gonna turn whatever the fuck is going on over there, I'm gonna go take that and I'm gonna to turn whatever the fuck is going on over there, I'm going to go take that, and I'm going to bring it over here, and we're just going to do Christmas the Halloween way.

Because I can't solve the solution, so I'm going to create a new solution." He gets super excited and starts handing out Christmas assignments to everyone in the town. Jack asks the scientist to make him reindeer. He gives the Oogie Boogie boys, who are the three little boys who help Oogie Boogie, the most important job, which is a secret assignment not to tell us all about. And they all are like, hee hee hee, like, of course, like,

oh yeah, we can trust us, of course, of course, we won't tell anyone, don't worry, don't worry, don't worry. And meanwhile, they have their little fingers crossed behind their back. And that's another thing. Remember doing that? Fingers behind your back. Uh-oh.

Uh-oh. And so he whispers in their ear, like, this is what you guys have to do. And we don't hear what it is. But then they run off and they sing a whole big song about how they've been told to kidnap Sandy Claus. They call him Sandy Claus, Sandy Claus. And they give him to Mr. Oogie Boogie.

And Sally goes to tell Jack to stop this. She says, I've had a vision. Christmas would be a disaster. This is a mistake. But he ignores her and he says, it's gonna be awesome. Don't worry about it. Just make me a Santa Claus outfit. She's like, no, no, it's going to be bad.

And then from that point on, their conversation is he thinks she's talking about the Santa Claus outfit. And she's trying to tell him that the whole thing is bad. And it's very funny. Little miscommunication. He tells a man, oh, I forgot to tell you about another one of my favorite characters. There's a guy who has dark rings around his eyes and a bald head and wears overalls

and just has an ax stuck in his head. And he's so cute and nice. And so everyone is hard at work. Oh, wait, so that guy has been told to make nutcrackers. And right as he's been giving me assignment by Jack, Lock, Shock, and Barrel, the three little boys, run back in with a big old sack. And they're like, it's Sandy Claus, it's Sandy Claus.

And they open it up and it's a big pink bunny. And then the guy with the axe in his head goes, oh, the Easter bunny. Oh no. Just put another mix up. Oh, chaos. The chaos, the chaos. So Jack tells them, this is not Santa Claus. You need to return

him. You need to go get Santa, treat him nicely. Don't be mean to him. We're giving him a vacation. Put him in a sack. Put him in a sack, bring him here. Tell him he doesn't have to work this year. We're doing him a favor. Everyone is hard at work at their Christmas assignments in Halloween town. They're smashing cars. They're guillotining baby dolls, they're putting bloody bullet holes and wooden ducks. And then the doctor scientist is using electricity to reincarnate skeletons of horses

to make them into reindeer. And time is counting down till Christmas, until finally, we're only two days away. So we're two days to Christmas. You know, we go back to Christmas town, we see Santa. He's going over the naughty or nice list. Who's been naughty? Who's been nice?

Everyone's all little elves happily work. I'm really down to the wire here, Santa. I know. I know. Also, where have Lock, Shock, and Barrel been? It's been like a month. How could they not figure out how to kidnap Santa by now? Anyway, so now they've gotten around to it.

The doorbell rings. He hears trick or treat outside.'ve gotten around to it. The doorbell rings. He hears trick or treat outside. He goes and answer it. It's the three naughtiest kids you've ever met in your life. They throw him into a bag, take him to Halloween town. While Sally, she has made Jack his Santa Claus outfit, she's continuing to tell him, this isn't right. This isn't you, something's wrong,

you need to stop this. He's dismissing her, he's saying, don't worry, it's all great, it's gonna be so much fun. So lock, shock, and barrel burst in, they have Santa in their sack, Santa comes out, he's rightfully upset, where am I? Yeah, as is his right. Yeah, it's his right to be upset.

He's been kidnapped by three naughty boys. Jack says, consider this a vacation. This is a reward for all the good work you've been doing. We just want you to be comfortable. Don't worry, sit back, relax. Halloween Town has got Christmas this year. And then he takes Santa's hat and puts it on his head. And Santa is carted off by lock, shock, and barrel.

And Sally's like, oh, this is worse than I thought, much worse. And then the three kids bring Santa to Oogie Boogie. And Santa's saying things like, haven't you heard of peace on Earth? Haven't you heard of goodwill towards men? These things mean nothing to them. And it's not working. The message is not getting across. haven't you heard of peace on earth? Haven't you heard of goodwill towards men? These things mean nothing to them.

And it's not working. The message is not getting across. And they shove Santa into this little tiny chute and he goes down this long dark chute into Oogie Boogie's lair. All this is like really scary, I think. Like shoving him into this tiny little like space and like forcing him down there.

So gross. Well, that's kind of Santa's thing though. That's a good point. That's a really good point. But a chimney is usually shorter, I think. And it doesn't land in Oogie Boogie's lair. But I agree. And now who, what is Oogie Boogie?

I'm gonna get to that. Okay, you're really building up the suspense here, I gotta know. So then Sally goes back to Mr. Scientist's prison area and she steals some fog juice from him. And while she's there, she sees him creating something else. So he's busy on a new creation. I think he's kind of given up on Sally,

which is a relief to her. Anyway, it's Santa lands and Oogie Boogie's lair. And this is what we get, Oogie Boogie's introduction. It is jazzy. It is fun. It's a black light with like neon lights everywhere. We got a casino, an underground basement casino vibe. And Oogie Boogie is a burlap sack filled with bucks.

That's literally Oogie Boogie. He's a burlap sack filled with bucks. And the thing that I realized while watching this too is have you guys seen Moana? Yes, but not Moana too. Don't worry, you don't have you guys seen Moana? Yes, but not Moana 2. Don't worry, you don't have to have seen Moana 2 to understand this. Remember that?

What about Moana, the live action recreation of the movie Moana? No, not that one either. Do you remember the song Shiny by the Crab? Yes, yes, yes. It's actually, a lot of it is taken from this. Like that's the- Lynn. Yeah, Lynn. You's actually, a lot of it is taken from this. Like that's the- Lynn.

Yeah, Lynn. You have something to explain to do. It's like the same kind of like jazzy, vibrant. It's like a dark space, but everything is neon and black lit. Yeah, it's like, oh, welcome to my place. Exactly. It's spooky down here. Exactly, exactly.

Except he's evil and so he's like putting Santa on a, he's like spreading Santa out like spread eagle and like strapping him down and like throwing knives at him and like spinning him around and like putting like, I don't know, like just sticking all this like shit on him and it's really upsetting. And Santa's really upsetting. And- It's fucked up. It's what it is. Santa's really upset.

And he should be rightfully upset. He's rightfully- I mean, pretty upset. Think about this man. Think about what this man is going through. He has spent his whole life in Christmas town. He spent years, centuries there. It looks like Henley's massaging her brain right now

as she's trying to- As I thought. Think about it. Swirl it around like some soup. Anyway, so Sally pours the fog juice into the fountain. I think it's Christmas Eve. Everyone's prepared. Jack is already set to go.

He has his sleigh, which is a coffin. He has his reanimated horse carcasses as his reindeer and he is ready to go. The whole townspeople are so excited and she pours the fog juice into the fountain. It rises up, it spreads through the town and at first it seems like the night is ruined. The little boy whose eyes are sewn shut starts crying and he says, there goes Christmas. But Jack fights through the fog and he says, no, it's gonna be okay, I got this. And he takes off in his sleigh and the townspeople cheer.

And so Sally tried, but it didn't work. And she's like, fuck, well, I hope my premonition was wrong. Shh, shh, shh, shh. Shh, shh, shh, shh, shh. Shh, shh, shh, shh, shh. Shh, shh, shh, shh, shh. Fuck.

And so she's like, fuck, fuck. Fuck, I tried. I said I didn't try. Didn't fucking work though. Now I can say that I fucking tried, man. Fuck. She sings a really sad song about how she thinks they're never gonna end up together. She thought she was the one, she's not the one,

and she's really sad. Sally, he hasn't really been good to you. He's not listening. He's not being a good listener. He hasn't really even acknowledged you very much. I don't know that I want this for you. I definitely don't want it. It's sending the wrong signal to little girls everywhere

like me who watch this being like, I wanna be like Sally. Let me be like Sally. Love a man who won't talk to me. So Jack flies through the air. I watched this with Tim and Tim made the very obvious point that he's now in the real world. He's supposed to be like in the real world.

I thought he was flying back to Christmas town to like do Christmas in Christmas town. He's like giving Christmas to the real world. Yeah, like that's the point of these towns is to like do the holiday for us humans, you know? Which I don't know why I like wasn't even thinking about that anyway. So he's now in the quote unquote real world

and he is so excited over the moon, can't wait. It's gonna be the best Christmas ever. He lands on his first house. He sneaks downstairs. We see a little boy in his bed. He hears Santa. He wakes up, he sneaks downstairs to see if he can see him and he walks into his living room

and he sees Jack by the Christmas tree. He's taking a present out of his bag. You know, this is not the Santa you expect to see. He is a skeleton. And the little boy's like, you know, obviously a little bit like, oh, scared. And Jack is like, oh, don't be scared. Like little boy, I brought you something here.

And he gives him a present and it's a box and the little boy opens it and screams. It's a severed head inside the box and it's the original, what's in the box? It's what's in the box. And I was like, there's so many things. I've been taking them on this movie. So he's screaming.

We owe it all to Tim Burton. Then cue a montage of mayhem. We're seeing the police answering phone calls with people screaming, saying I'm being attacked by Christmas toys. There's a little boy, he's watching a snake eat his Christmas tree. There's like that kind of thing.

And then over- Just sort of that kind of thing. Yeah, that kind of thing. And then over the news, we hear that military units are mobilizing to stop this heinous crime. Jack is oblivious to people's unrest. That's the theme with Jack. It seems he's really takes some responsibility, very single minded, which is, you know, I

guess is like talent and his faults. It's what makes him who he is. Kind of like Tim Burton, actually, probably. So then he flies over a prison which has cannons and they start firing cannons into the air at him and he thinks they're celebrating him. He doesn't get it, he still doesn't get it. Meanwhile, back in Halloween town,

Sally tries to break out Santa Claus from Oogie Boogie. She uses one of her limbs. She like puts her limb through the door and shakes it at Santa Claus and is like, ooh, hello, come over here. Oh, shakes it. Oogie Boogie is like, come over here. And Oogie Boogie at first is tricked. And meanwhile, she's like, untying Santa Claus. Well, at the end of the day, they're both sacks filled with bugs. I know, I know they're meant for each other. You're so right.

I don't know why Sally can't see that. So Oogie Boogie catches her. So now Sally's imprisoned too with Santa Claus. Poor Sally, I think they're not going well. She's rightfully pretty upset, I bet. She's like doing so much. She's doing so much in this movie. It's hard to be Sally.

It's hard. So one important thing to note is that the townspeople have this magical well where they can look into it and see what Jack is up to. And so they're all watching Jack back in Halloween Town, and they watch as he starts to get hit by these cannons. And Jack starts to realize, oh my God, they're trying to hit me.

And all the townspeople are wailing and screaming, oh no, Jack, Jack. And we can see that Jack gets hit really badly. And the whole coffin reindeer thing goes down. Oh no. And the mayor loses his shit. He loses it. He starts riding around in his hearse screaming,

Jack has been blown to smithereens. Jack is dead. On his loudspeaker saying it over and over again. It's not a big town. I don't think he needs to do it as much as he's doing it, but Sally and Santa Claus here and things are looking pretty great for them. So Jack has fallen into a graveyard onto an angel statue and the wreckage of what he's caused is around him. You know, these dead reindeer are even more dead now. And I don't

know where Zero is. And there's like, you know, presence and stuff everywhere. And he wakes up and he's stunned. And he realizes what's happened. And he's being cradled in the arms of this angel. And he starts singing this very mournful song. He's so regretful. He's feeling so embarrassed. But the same thing that happened in that earlier song happens here, where he really works himself out of it through the song. He works through these emotions in real time. He's feeling sad, but then he kind of starts singing like, no, I did a fucking great job at Christmas.

Like I actually nailed Christmas. And like I got that special feeling back. I felt a way great job at Christmas. Like I actually nailed Christmas. And like I got that special feeling back. I felt a way I had not felt in years. And I gave that feeling to my friends. And like I have nothing to be embarrassed about. Like I'm the fucking pumpkin king, skeleton king. I'm better than ever.

I'm going back to my town. I'm just gonna like keep killing it. I'm better than ever. I'm going back to my town. I'm just going to keep killing it. I'm the best. Which is, you know, I'm inspired by this guy. I wish I could do this. Met are amazing. Yeah, men are so cool. And meanwhile, Oogie Boogie is torturing Sally and Santa Claus and he is threatening to dump them into a pit full of acid. And he's like lifted the board all the way up. So you think they've slid into the pit of acid. And then he pulls the board back up and it's Jack. Jack has somehow come back. I mean, I guess he came back, he heard Sally crying.

I don't know, he like somehow got on the board. And then Jack and Oogie Boogie face off. Oogie Boogie's trying to kill him. Jack is doing cartwheels around this casino-like dungeon. He is fending him off at every step. And he finally gets Oogie Boogie and he just pulls this one thread and the whole burlap sack falls apart.

And inside is just thousands of creepy crawly worms that fall into the pit of acid and like screech and scream and writhe and steam and Oogie Boogie's going, my bugs, my bugs. Or someone's saying that. I don't know who's saying it, cause he was just bugs. He literally is the bugs.

My me. My me, my bugs, the me. Me the bugs. Me the bugs. My bugs, my me, the me. A burlap. Me, the bugs. My bugs, my me, the me. A burlap sack being unraveled and it's just a fuck ton of bugs is like- Nasty.

Nasty shit. And I can't believe I was watching this as a seven year old. How old was I? What's Zooki Boogie's motivation here? Why does he all of a sudden wanna kill everybody? Why doesn't he worship Jack Skellington the same way as everybody else?

I think he's just having fun. And I think that's why Tim Burton didn't think he was a villain. He was like, this dude's just having fun. But you know what? That doesn't make someone not a villain. There are too many people out there, too many psychopaths. Fun to one person.

Pennywise has lots of fun. Yeah. Really depends who you're asking. I would like to hear Tim Burton's explanation of Oogie Boogie. I'm sure we'll have people send messages explaining my Oogie Boogie is not a villain. So let me know. Let me know. Jack apologizes to Sally.

He says, I haven't been listening to you. You were right. I'm so sorry. And she's like, it's okay, Jack, I forgive you. She says, I hope there's still time. And Santa Claus says, to fix Christmas, of course there's still time. I'm Santa Claus. Nothing can get this guy down. He is fine. He is totally fine. Santa Claus races back to Christmas town. We get a montage of him replacing all the evil toys with good ones. We hear over the news, Christmas has been saved.

Santa Claus is back. Children are cheering. Everyone is happy. Jack has a triumphant return on the mayor's hearse. The little boy with the eyes sewn shut hangs on his leg, just looking with no eyes adoringly at him. And Santa rides by on his sleigh and says, happy Halloween.

And then it starts. No bad blood. Everything's fine. It's the power of Christmas, the Christmas fucking spirit man. And then it starts snowing. It starts snowing Halloween town, a thing that has never happened before.

And we get more of the, what's this? What's this? It's very, very strange. What's this? What's this? We get vampires ice skating. We get the Axe Boy doing snow angels. We get the little boy with no eyes rolling through the snow. What's the werewolf with the busted shirt up to? I don't know. I didn't track his movements as well as I should have. I didn't know you guys would like the fact that Elon Musk as much as he did. Shh, shh, shh.

And we see Mr. Scientist, he's created a new creation. It's him as a woman. So it's just him dressed as a woman. Interesting. This one is his wife or? I think so. I think so. Interesting commentary. And then- Still not okay with so. I think so. Interesting commentary.

And then we're back in the graveyard. We're back on the rolling spiraling hill. This time Jack is serenading to Sally telling her he loves her. They're embracing and they kiss while Zero happily looks on and then credits credits the end. Wow. Huh.

What's the message? I was gonna say, I don't, where was, did Jack learn anything? No, I think what he learned was the power of Christmas and that happened at the very beginning of the film. And then he learned that it's a feeling you give people instead of like presents you give people. I think that's kind of what was supposed to be the message

at the end. The anti-capitalist message, we like that. We like that. I don't know. Maybe he learned that like newness is important, you know, to evolve. he learned that like newness is important, you know, to- Yeah. Yeah. Evolve. Shake up your routine every once in a while. Yeah, shake it up.

I was excited because- Listen to women, you know, he lived through that. He did learn that. I was excited because this one on Disney, you can stream it on Disney, and it's supposed to come with all these like bonus features. So I was like, oh, great, I'll be able to watch some kind of commentary, or there'll be, like, some background of making the movie,

like, some more to flesh it out. You guys, I'm not fucking kidding. You want to know what, like, the main thing they have? Yes. Nightmare Before Christmas, as told by emojis. It's a phone with different emojis as the Nightmare Before Christmas as told by emojis. It's a phone with different emojis as the Nightmare Before Christmas characters doing the entire texting,

texting the entire plot of the movie back and forth to each other on the phone. That's one of the features. And then there's a trailer you can watch. And then there's like two or three, like storyboarded deleted scenes that I didn't bother watching because anyway, can you wait who thought who who said, you know, it's a good idea. Let's recap. A movie using emojis. What? Yeah, someone with the Nightmare Before Christmas original, I don't know, DVD.

Tell us what features we're being robbed of. I know. Yeah. I wanna know. Yeah, it's a really like, it's a visual feast. There's definitely a lot to look at. It's very impressive that it was made in 1993.

It feels like really advanced for 1993. I feel like they were doing really cool, like claymation and stop motion in the 90s, maybe early 2000s. When was like Chicken Run and all the Wallace and Gromits? Freaking love those. I forgot about Chicken Run. Chicken Run was so good.

There's also a horror movie that came out this year called Stop Motion with the main actress from the Nightingale in it that I've been meaning to watch. Ooh. Just throwing that out there. Yeah, okay, good to know. Is it a stop motion or is it just called stop motion? It is, I think she plays someone

that is a stop motion artist. So there are stop motion elements to it, but it is also live action. Interesting. Oh, I think I've heard of this actually, where it has like, someone was saying it was like hereditary with a dollhouse. Yeah, I think it's pretty fucked up. I've been wanting to watch it.

Okay, well maybe that can be next week. No, I've got next week. I'll figure it out. Are you not gonna tell me? You're not gonna tell me. You're gonna make it a surprise. We'll do a surprise. Oh my God, what's it gonna be?

I think I had a dream last night that I was watching a horror movie with my mom and I was trying to tell her that it was gonna be okay. I was like, don't worry, mom, it's fine. I was like, look, look, he kills that person, but not the other person. Totally fine. It's only a little gruesome. Anyway, it was fun to revisit this. My main reaction is shock that I was watching it as a child.

I got to say, Henley, I feel like it's maybe because you're a mom, because it doesn't sound too bad to me. I don't feel too shocked about it. Yeah, I guess you're right. I think that I was imagining- A sack filled with bugs is not that bad. I know. I know.

It's not that bad. I know. I know. It's not that bad. I know, I know, but Sammy, we're really different people. Do you remember that? Yeah. Have you forgotten about that? Yeah, but I feel like I watched like Poltergeist when I was in grade school, probably older than seven, but as far as like seeing a horror movie too early, like you could do worse than.

Oh yeah, no, no, no. I mean like this one, it didn't traumatize me. Just as being a kids movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I liked it. I watched it all the time when I was a kid. But I feel like a lot of kids movies have fucked up shit in it as we know. That's true, they do.

They really do. Pinocchio, don't even freaking get me started. I know, Pinocchio is the worst. Pinocchio is so fucking even freaking get me started. I know Pinocchio is the worst. Pinocchio is so fucking scary. Well because kids movies are all about kids, parents dying and then them getting lost and being eaten by a villain. And naughty kids having really bad shit happen

and then fucking Willy Wonka. Oh my God, that movie scared me. Yep. Willy Wonka is fucking scary. Kids are dying, kids are turning into blueberries. Like the blueberry part was the scariest part for me. It is scary. I don't really know why of all the things in Willy Wonka, that part scared me the most, but.

You don't want someone to mess with your physical form. You're like, don't mess with my physical form. Don't mess with my physical. Don't mess with my physical form. I'm always saying that. Don't mess with my physical form. I'm always saying that. Don't mess with my physical form. Thanks for listening. Love you guys so much.

Emily, that was a real Christmas treat. Soothing to me. I really loved it. I really loved it. Thanks you guys, thank you. We have to watch Charlie. I know that we're gonna freaking pay for it next week with whatever's standing at the store,

but for now I'm just going to enjoy what we had. I know. We had a nice frictionless time today. Nice frictionless time. I'm gonna do some serious research. I'm gonna have my own research montage into mid-scary horror movies. Mid. Mid.

Mid-tier. Mid-tier. Mid-level scares. Mid-level scares. Well, okay, yeah, we'll be back next week. I think is next week going to be our last episode before the break or before Christmas? That's a great question. I guess we don't have to decide right now.

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