Too Scary; Didn't Watch - TITANIC (Vault Release)

Episode Date: October 2, 2024

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This is a HeadGum Podcast. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi everyone. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy and I love watching scary movies and so I watch them so that you don't have

to. But this week, the movie is not scary. It's not scary. I mean, it is scary. That's scary. It's not scary. I mean, it is scary. That's pretty scary, actually. That's true. At the end. This episode is a re-release

of a previously recorded Patreon episode of our recap of James Cameron's cinematic masterpiece, Titanic. This is one of my favorite episodes I think we've ever done. Favorite episodes, favorite movie. Again, best cinematic experience of my life. And we are delivering to you all a vault release. And you can't get mad because it's because I'm getting married.

She's getting married. And it's a good vault release, you guys. It's a good one. We wouldn't give you any crap. No. The energy behind this one, the devotion, the passion. I mean, we could have gone on for so many hours. I think it's an extremely long episode.

We did go on for several hours. We should do it every few years. Just do another Titanic. Every re-release we're doing Titanic. Let's do it again. Our only live in- Titanic. Every re-release we're doing Titanic. Do it again. I think our only live in-person shows will be Titanic and Irish Wish.

That's right. That's it. Perfect. On just a rotating music. Yeah. Yeah. So glad we figured that out. See, this is what Fallout releases are for.

They really help us brainstorm and workshop and reflect. We hope that you enjoy this episode and... We hope that you enjoy love. We hope that you enjoy this episode and... We hope that you enjoy love. We hope that you enjoy love. True love. True love. Love between Jack and Rose and Emily and Joel, the two... Two identical love stories.

The two most magical love stories of our time. So hope that you all soak that in. Ooh, sorry for saying soak in a movie about a ship. magical love stories of our time. So hope that you'll all soak that in. Ooh, sorry for saying soak in a movie about. It's shit. Ooh, ooh. Forget that, forget that. No, scratch that.

No, scratch that. Dry, dry, dry, warm, dry. God, I hope my wedding is so warm and dry. It's so warm and dry. It will be, it will be. It's on land. But we love you guys. We love love.

We love Emily and Joel. And we love the movie Titanic. So here you go. Here you guys. We love love. We love Emily and Joel. And we love the movie Titanic. So here you go. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy. And you're listening to Too Scary. Didn't watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary Didn't Watch bonus episode for the month of February in the year of 2023.

The other day, you guys in class, I was writing notes and I wrote the date down and I wrote February 17th, 2021 and was like, what? What? I just wrote it and was like, wait. So anyway, no, it's 2023. 2023. Oh my God. We got a freaking episode for our vessel heads this week. Oh, it's a big one.

It's a big one. It's perhaps the biggest vessel that we could discuss. The vessel movie of our lives. Yeah. We today are going to be talking about Titanic. 1997 film drama, romance Titanic. It's, you know, not a horror movie, but in real life, deeply horrifying. And honestly, some of the moments in this movie, really very

upsetting and sad and the same reaction watching and I'm just like, Oh, I think this is making me feel how horror movies make you guys feel like I felt horrified, really horrified at a lot of the shakes. Very upsetting. I also want to say that I watched it for the first time in my life. I watched Hey Tanny for the- When did you watch it? I watched it on-

Did you guys go together? We went to the movies. They said they've re-released it. I think it's already gone, isn't it? No, I think it's still there. It might be gone by the time this comes out. I'm not sure how long they're keeping it in. Well, the movie's still around, but they re-released it in theaters and they did it in 3D. And I've never, I'd never seen it because I don't know. I just, I think I was scared of it

when it first came out, honestly. Like it sounded bad and sad to me. And then, you know, I get it. I get what it's about. I get the deal. And it's so long. And it just always was like, well, I don't want to sit down now and watch a three hour, three hour, 15 minute sad movie.

Why would I do that to myself? And right, you guys. It's so good. It's so great. I can't. I looked over at her afterwards and it was the first thing she said. She's just had the biggest smile and said,

Titanic is so good. It's so, I'm like, I can't even, my mind was blown, It's still blown. It's been a week. We saw it last Sunday. First of all, like three hours have never gone by so fast in my life. Like I, like I can't, it needs to be three hours

and 15 minutes. I've never thought that about a movie ever, but I was like, can't cut a single moment. It's perfect. I can't believe a single moment. It's perfect. I can't believe how good it is. And I can't believe I've never seen it. And it's like, duh, it's Titanic. It's one of the best movies. I get it, I get it, I get it. But like, it's so

good. My question is, did this when you were... So I think I was in third grade. So you would have been in second grade, I think. When it came out, I guess that was still really young. But in third grade even, it like swept my classroom. I mean, you couldn't step foot in that school if you had not seen Titanic. Like I feel like-

Didn't you say there was a competition to see who could see Titanic the most number of times in theaters. I would like to join that competition. It literally wasn't until I talked to you guys that I realized that that wasn't the case like at schools across the country. I mean, I remember people being obsessed with Titanic. Certainly like my peers now as I've've grown up, been like, oh, everybody that every woman I know who is around my age is obsessed or was obsessed with Titanic. And I just never felt like it was for me. Just never felt like it was for me.

Well, well, to be fair, wrong. To be fair, to that point, even though it's not a horror movie, it is fucked up. The whole situation. And I was reading the whole situation. The situation of Titanic pretty fucked up. Really fucked up. Really fucked up. Like it hits me hard when I think about it. It hits me hard. And I've spent a lot of morning thinking about the Titanic ever since I saw it, you know, in third grade, just waking up and thinking about it. And I was reading a Vulture article that just came out a few days ago that was talking about how like Titanic is a masterpiece. There's a line in it that really stuck with me, which is, the first half of Titanic feels at times

like it was written by a lovesick teenager, while the second half feels like it was conceived by a sadistic engineer designing an ornate torture device. I mean, it is, it's absolutely two movies. And it feels like two different movies, but like in a way that is one movie and must be one movie and is the perfect movie. Yeah, you need both movies. Yes. different movies, but like in a way that is one movie and must be one movie and is the perfect movie.

Yeah, you need both movies. Yes. James Cameron, King of Vessel Cinema. He is the King of Vessel Cinema without a doubt. Without a doubt. And I think the King of making his actors absolutely miserable. Yep. The King of Actors' Rights violations.

Violations. Okay, so yeah, it's written and directed by James Cameron, starring obviously Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet. Leo DiCaprio. Leo DiCaprio. We've got Billy Zane, Kathy Bates, Francis Fisher and Gloria Stewart as well. 88% on Rotten Tomatoes. Should be a hundred.

75 on Metacritic. Should be a hundred. 7.9 on IMDb. Yeah, it should be... Straight 100s. All ones and zeros there. All ones and zeros. And we know how many of all of those we want. Budget was 200 million in 97.

That is a lot of money. It's on the screen. It's on the screen. It's a lot of money and it's also more than it would have cost to build the Titanic. The movie Titanic cost more than the ship Titanic. I saw that trivia. They broke it down based on what the amount of money would have been when the Titanic was built. It would have been around 150 million, 1997 equivalent.

The movie cost more than the ship. Worth it, obviously. Worth it. 100% worth it. Well, it went on to become the first movie to gross a billion dollars right now. It's at 2.2 to 5 billion. It's in a real neck and neck race right now with Avatar two for that number three spot of the highest grossing films of all time. Number one and two being the first Avatar and Avengers end game. I can't remember which Avengers now. Oops, but one of them.

Jesus Christ, James Cameron. Oh my God. That's crazy. Yeah. So if they're able to bump out Avengers, he'll have the three highest grossing movies of all time. I can't believe avatars that is the number one highest grossing film. I think really crazy. I think we have to keep in mind, and I said this actually when we left Titanic, cause we were talking about this, I think we have to keep in mind the 3d movie price. That was added?

I think he's gamed the system a little bit when it comes to Avatar and Avatar Way of Water, because 90% of people who see those movies are seeing them in 3D. Like, no question. But I think also, like, a testament to Titanic is, like, Titanic came out in 97. Those movies came out much more recently.

I guess when did the first Avatar come out? It's still in something eight or something like that. Yeah, it was. Well, my mind is blown that that's only 10 years after the Titanic came out. 11 years after. Yeah, but still I mean the staying power of this film. The Titanic? Wait, it's just Titanic. Yes. Okay, Titanic. The Titanic is the ship. Titanic is the movie. Right. It's actually a perfect movie.

My god, it's perfect. It was nominated for 14 Oscars, won 11 of them. A lot of Oscars, my goodness. A lot. Best picture, best director, cinematography, costume, sound, film editing. Did Leo win? No, Leo, I don't even think was nominated. Kate was nominated and did not win.

Yes. I also OK. So like when we got home from Titanic, we got home from Titanic. All I did was look up facts about the movie Titanic for a really long time. And now it's been a week. So I didn't write any of these down. But now that you're saying these trivia out loud, I'm like, right? Yep. I read that. Yeah.

I just like, I became obsessed with it. The IMDB there's too much trivia page. I could not, I don't think I even got through a quarter of it. It's enormous. It's the most trivia I've ever seen. It's enormous. It's like a novel. Yeah. It's a Titanic amount of trivia. It's too much. But I's like a novel. Yeah, it's a titanic amount of trivia. It's too much. But I think the only other movies that have won 11 Oscars are Ben Hur and then Return of the King, also won 11 Oscars.

I remember Return of the King happening. I remember watching that and being like, it's winning too many. This is getting boring. Okay, but Return of the King is so good though. Not my favorite. Really, of the three or just in general? Of the three, I'm more of a Two Towers fan. And they're all great, don't make me choose.

Don't make me choose. I honestly think my favorite might be Fellowship. And we're not here to talk about that. We're here to talk about it. We should do those. That would be fun because I haven't seen. I've seen Fellowship a couple of times, but I don't think I've seen the other two besides like in theaters. Joel and I watch the extended versions like multiple times a year.

Really? Yeah. They're probably movies Joel's seen most in his life and then since being with Joel. So honestly, just in the past five years, I've probably seen those three movies. Again, extended editions, which are like four something each. Just think how many of those times you could have been watching Titanic. It'll haunt me. But okay, I know we like our casting what ifs and boy, oh boy, this movie has a lot of them. Wow. For the role of Jack, they wanted Matthew McConaughey and I think he was like signed on to do it

and I can't remember now what, or no, no, originally they wanted River Phoenix and he died before they started shooting. Yeah, wow. And then I think Matthew McConaughey was the next in line and I can't remember why it didn't work out with him. But then other names that auditioned or turned it down at some point are Johnny Depp, Billy Crudup, Christian Bale, Ethan Hawke, McCully Culkin.

I'm sorry. Tom Cruise. That's surprising. The only one who could have pulled it off. Jared Leto and Brad Pitt. That's a real everybody. A real everybody. A real everybody.

All of them. I feel like Billy Crudup actually could have done it. I feel like that might have worked. Yeah, I can see that. That might have worked. I can see a couple of those honestly. It just wouldn't be right. It's just be different. Christian Bale I think would have done it well. Yeah, I think Christian Bale would have been honestly very good. But it's also because

okay, we're gonna get into it. It's a perfect movie. But Leo obviously was perfect for this and we love him in it. Yep. But it's really Kate's movie and she's spectacular and they have such good chemistry. It's like, it's about the interaction between them and not, I think two great actors could still do it. I'm sure Kate and Christian Bale would have had good chemistry and it would have been good, but it wouldn't have been what it is. It's fate. It was also Leo's breakout moment in such a huge, phenomenal way.

Yeah, it made him Leo. It made him Leo. Well, because it was Romeo and Juliet right before this. And so that one two punch right there, literally playing Romeo and then this. Jack Johnson. that one two punch right there literally playing Romeo and then Jack Dawson and like, okay, well now literally every girl and woman in the world is in love with you. Yeah. And I get it. I look currently, oh, not in love with but this Leo. Oh my God. I was saying to you, I don't even associate them as like, they're not the same person.

They're not the same. They're separate in my mind. I was having a weird moment when I was rewatching it where I was like, oh, I'm not attracted to him anymore. Like I was so attracted to him when I was younger and growing up. And then I was like, oh, I am not as because he's I feel like I've flipped the switch and now I'm too old. I'm like, you look like you're 17. Actually, he looks like such a baby in this movie. Yeah. Okay, some casting what ifs for Rose. Angelina Jolie was God, what if it had been Angelina and Brad?

It would have been just so wrong. Isn't it so wrong to think about anyone except these two? It is. It's wrong. It's wrong. I'm so sorry that I'm making a picture of your people. It's disgusting. Gwyneth Paltrow, Claire Danes, Drew Barrymore, Rose Byrne, Nicole Kidman, Charlie Serin, Carrie Russell, and Rachel Weiss. Rachel Weiss, I feel like her and Kate Winslet have always kind of reminded me of each other. Yeah, I can see that. So that one makes sense to me. And then just funny that

Lindsay Lohan was almost cast as the little girl in it. But because she had red hair, they thought it would be confusing that they would think that she was related to Rose. And so they went with the little brunette girl. But that was going to be Lindsay Lohan, which would have been really iconic. That one I am a little sad about. Yeah. Ever walk into a store and have no idea what wine to get? Yeah, me too. But I've stopped wasting time staring at a giant wall of wine and not knowing what to pick. That's why I love our next sponsor, Naked Wines. Naked Wines is a subscription service that directly connects you to the world's finest

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really before Titanic? Maura Yes, she was, I mean both of them were up and coming. It was neither of their first things, but it was early in both of their careers and they were buzzy. Oh, she was in Heavenly Creatures in 1994. Yeah. Which I'm curious about. Okay, this just made me laugh. Paul Rudd auditioned to be Jack because his father is a Titanic historian. No way. What?

You gotta be him. because his father is a Titanic historian. No way. What? You gotta beat him. Yeah, I was very excited to hear that. You're like, I could really play this role because I know so many facts about the Titanic. Talk about nepotism. My dad is a Titanic historian. I love that that's like he auditioned for it for that reason and not because he's an actor. Yeah. And that reminded me, I just found out that listeners, you might be excited to know

Matthew Reese is a vessel head. He owns a boat and he has a little Instagram where he posts all his photos on his boat. This is huge, wonderful news for me. I was really thrilled. There's just so much to me. I only wrote down a few more, but this one made me laugh. Most of the stuntmen in the engine room scenes are actually only about five feet tall to make the engine room look bigger. Oh wow. Make sense. Shorter guys to trick as a camera trick. Ah, movie magic. Yes. And we kind of hinted at it, but Kate Winslet famously had a very bad time filming this movie.

Some actors rights violations here. James Cameron apparently made a lot of comments about her weight and appearance throughout filming and basically telling her she should diet, shouldn't eat this or that, and just like so fucking infuriating. Wow. She was so young too.

Right. Ugh. It sucked up. Yeah, and then, but she also, I think the shoot was obviously just very brutal in general for everybody. There's a lot of stunts and a lot of water, a lot of water. And so she got injured a few times. I'm not sure how and in what scenes, but she said she's always had bruises.

She chipped a bone in her elbow so that by the end of filming this, she said she's like always had bruises. She chipped a bone in her elbow. So that by the end of filming this, she said, you'd have to pay me a lot of money to work with James Cameron again. And he did. Yeah, he got her. She is in Avatar two. More water. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And I didn't even think to write this down, but Kate Winslet in Avatar 2 broke

the record of the longest time an actor held their breath. Broke Tom Cruise's records. She held her breath for I think seven minutes and 15 seconds. Holy shit. I read that she got hypothermia while filming Titanic and almost quit. She was the only actor who wasn't allowed to wear a wetsuit because she was wearing that dress, but everybody else in all the water scenes was wearing wetsuits. And so she actually got hypothermia, which is like, make that water fucking warm. What

are we doing? Jesus Christ. No, they made, yeah, he made it cold on purpose. James Cameron is such a douchebag. I know. It's like, he seems like a terror. I really wouldn't like to meet him. Really wouldn't like to meet him. Although I will say this movie was funnier than I feel like I'm used to James Cameron movies being.

A fair bit of it I think, there was a decent amount of improvisation on the parts of Leo and Kate, which I think is also like those scenes that feel a lot lighter. A lot of that was improvised conversation, the spitting. And then on the like deck of the boat before that before that when she's looking at his art and stuff. It's improvised.

Yeah. So we have them to thank for- The King of the World was improvised. I mean- It was? It's Leo, baby. Wow. Incredible.

A true star. Yeah. Neither Kate Winslet or Leonardo DiCaprio like their performances in this film, which is very funny. I think every, I particularly love Billy Zane's performance in this film. And Kathy Bates, honestly, everyone is so good and I feel like their performances are perfect but they're just different from how actor, like what performances, good performances are believed to be like in today's culture, I guess. But they're perfect

for the movie though. It feels exactly right. Again, and that's a part of why I was so shocked in watching this movie is it holds up so well. If I were to see it today, it would be my favorite move. Like I would be like, Oh my God, you guys have to see the movie Titanic. It's really good. And like, yeah, I just think guys, you're being too hard on yourselves. You're being too hard on yourselves. And I remember when this happened in 2012, they re-released it to theaters. I think that was when they first made it 3D. I remember I was in Spain studying abroad when they re-released Titanic because I remember my friends back in home

and college being really excited to all go see Titanic and I wow if I hadn't studied abroad I would have seen Titanic 10 years sooner. That's crazy, guys. Anyway, I keep going. I remember that. Neil deGrasse Tyson had complained to James Cameron, which is just this is so annoying to me. I like can't roll my eyes hard enough at whatever you're about to say

that the stars in the night sky were inaccurate to how they would have been on that night. And James Cameron, rather than being like, hey man, fuck you, went back and redid the stars for that 2012 re-release. So now they are scientifically accurate, which is just two of the most obnoxious men doing obnoxious shit. that makes me so mad.

I'm like, get the fuck over yourselves, both of you. Literally who cares? Neal, who cares? Guess what, Neal? These people aren't real either. They're made up for the movie. God damn. Oh my God.

And yeah, James wasting all that fucking time and money to be like, oh, whoopsie, shut up, the stars are good now. Nobody cares. Yeah, but it's his perfectionism and it just keeps getting rewarded. So he's not gonna change. He's not gonna change.

That's typical James stuff. That ship, as say has sailed. That's right. And then lastly, I'll remind us that this is some trivia we learned in our Hellraiser 2 recap, which is that this film and Hellraiser 2 are tied for the most amount of times the two main characters say each other's names. Oh yes. I was thinking this so much. It's so crazy how many times they say each other's names. It sticks out.

It sticks out way more to me in Titanic than it did in Hellraiser 2. So maybe this one still is number one, but they, I get it. It's an emergency situation where you're constantly at risk of being lost. So you have to, but they say each other's names literally every single sentence almost. Like it's so crazy. Yeah. Jock. Jock. Okay. One more little bit of trivia that I remember from looking through that big old list is that the compiled runtime

of all the scenes on the actual ship, or all the scenes that take place in 1912 is an hour and 40 minutes, which is almost exactly as long as it took the Titanic to sink. Yeah. That's cool. And the shot of them hitting the iceberg is the exact amount of seconds

that they were actually in contact with the iceberg. So that's like, it's like 38 seconds or something. It's the exact. That's the thing is like, I do appreciate James Cameron's accuracy, but it's also like, all right, let's maybe. Like to a point. Yeah, at a certain point it gets obnoxious. But I do appreciate that stuff. Yeah. The only other trivia that I thought was interesting was that James Cameron really wanted Enya to do all the soundtrack.

I saw that too. And she said no, which I think is so funny. Can you imagine in retrospect being like, oh, oh no. That's what I'm thinking about. All these actors and everyone that turned it down, wonder how pissed they are. I think Johnny Depp turned it down and is pissed. I feel like I read a thing that he's like, yeah, I shouldn't have done that. It wouldn't have been as good with you, Johnny Depp.

Sorry. But he got another composer, something Horner, to do the soundtrack, who was a guy he'd worked with on Alien. And they'd had a really, really terrible relationship. And so this composer thought that James Cameron would never want to work with him again. So it was shocked that he was asked. And then basically, this composer

just made the entire soundtrack sound like Enya. So I read that on the Amazon like trivia thing while I was watching it and I was listening and it sounds like Enya. I mean, the soundtrack does sound like Enya. Yeah, that's true. All the like wind, wind instruments. I think Celine Dion didn't want to do it either. I read that they recorded the, And Jan didn't want to do it either. I read that they recorded the, my heart will go on in one take. This was like her demo to see like, I guess,

let me see if I'll, if I want to do it. Had they recorded it and they used that one. God, it's so crazy. Also like, when you say he, the composer that he had a bad working relationship with, like has James Cameron, has anyone who's ever worked with James Cameron enjoyed it except for maybe Bill Paxton?

Like, is he the only person on earth who is friends with James Cameron has anyone who's ever worked with James Cameron enjoyed it except for maybe Bill Paxton Like is he the only person on earth who is friends with James Cameron? I don't like yeah And I feel like a tribute that we've also mentioned For some reason another in another episode, but I'll say it every time there's a reason to bring it up Which is that on 9-eleven James Cameron and Bill Paxton were in a submarine at the Titanic and didn't know that it happened. It's very crazy because they just go to the Titanic a lot. They just go to the Titanic. They love to do it. I mean, I'd love to do it. Yeah, it'd be pretty cool to see it. I'd tolerate James for that. Yeah, I'd tolerate James for that. Yeah, I tolerate James for that. But only for that. Are you

gonna go see Titanic? The musical? What? Do you know about this? No. No. And why is it Titanic? Okay, I don't know anything about it. But I gotta say I get fucking ads for this shit all the time I would have assumed That now you guys alright, so Nothing. Okay. This is it says it's a love story and it's a Nothing on earth could come between them except Celine Dion When the music of Celine Dion makes sweet Canadian love with the 11 time Oscar winning film Titanic, you get Titanic.

Titanic? A musical celebration that turns one of the greatest love stories of all into a hysterical and joyful slay fest. That's disrespectful. I mean, we'll see. I'll think I'm gonna I didn't know this existed. I'm gonna have to do some. I think maybe it's only in New York. No, we're gonna go to New York.

Oh, yeah, maybe we should skip the wedding. Skip it. Oh, sorry, we're going to get to Titanic. Oh, I mean, I'm not not interested. Yeah, I think I'm going to go to the Titanic exhibit because I'm interested in. Yeah. And I think I'll also be watching the movie Titanic a lot more. Quite a few more times. I'd love to go again in theaters.

Me too. I think they should release it in theaters every year. Couple years. Yeah. I mean, every year would also be great. Just be like, it's the 26th anniversary of Titanic. Yeah, but you'll probably release it again on the 30th anniversary, right? Yeah. We'll just have to go every single time, obviously. Yeah.

That's exciting to think about. That's so exciting to think about. That's something to look forward to. Thank God. And I'm in. Thank god. Just the the the always have to take Titanic. Titanic theater re-releases just keeping me going. There's gonna be another one. But okay let's watch this trailer. Oh my god oh my god. Listen to me. I've got you. I won't

let go. Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams. And it was. It really was. Give me your hand. Do you trust me? I trust you. Open your eyes.

I'm flying, Jack. You never know what hand you're to get dealt next? You learn to take life as it comes at you. To make each day count. I will never let go, Jack. I'll never let go, Jack. I'll never let go. It's so good. I know. I just shed a little tear. I got chills.

This makes me emotional. What a perfect film. Stunning. Stunning. We're all absolutely speechless. I, I, I, like, how did they do it? Remastered in 4K 3D is too many. It looks gorgeous. It looks really good. There were some parts in the 3D that didn't look as great, but overall I think the 3D was cool. But yeah, the 4K obviously looks incredible.

I want to see it in 4D. I know. I would do that. I just, that shot, when you first see Kate and her like face comes up behind her big hat. It's iconic. So good. Took my breath away.

I listened to an interview with her one time where she was talking about how she fucking hated that hat though. She wanted to burn that hat. She hated it because she had to do that take about a million times. Looks incredible. Yeah. Worth it. She sold it. She hated it because she had to do that take about a million times. Incredible. Yeah. Worth it. She sold it. She sold it. That's acting the magic of acting.

That's the magic. She seemed like she liked the hat. And we're gonna we're gonna go through the whole movie. But that's really for me when the movie starts. The hat. The hat moment is really when the movie begins. Yeah, yeah. Yep. The hat moment is really when the movie begins. Yeah.

Yeah. Yep. I mean, let's talk about it because I am getting emotional and I need to talk about Titanic. It's really crazy. It's really crazy to become obsessed with a movie 25 years after it came out because I feel like I can't just like talk to anyone.

I'd be like, so guys, let's talk about Titanic. Have you seen it? It's so good. Well, you can definitely talk to anyone. I'd be like, so guys, let's talk about Titanic. Have you seen it? It's so good. Well, you can definitely talk to us. So thank you for giving me space to do that because it's so good. It's like the best movie I've ever seen. Do you think if you had seen it as a kid,

you would have been scared of it or been upset by it? I think I would have been upset by it. I think I would have been upset by it. The end stuff will get there. It really upset me. It's really upsetting. I also think like I was meant to see it as an adult. Yeah.

Like the profoundness of the story, like, I don't know. It really, it hits you as an adult. I had a thought while watching it this time because this was my first viewing since 1997. Oh my god, wow. I saw it in theaters as an eight-year-old. And I did have a very big emotional reaction to it. I think I loved it.

And I loved Leonardo DiCaprio. But it was obviously devastating. But I had the thought that it reminded me watching it now reminded me of When I was a kid and went to the Grand Canyon and was like, oh, yeah, it's like it's cool I guess like a big rocks and stuff. Yeah, and then going to the Grand Canyon as an adult and it literally Almost knocking the wind out of me almost fell over backwards stunned by just how it was it was like it's crazy. The Grand Canyon is crazy. You need

like lived experience to understand the impact of something that spectacular. Yes. And I felt that way watching this movie. I was like, wow. The Titanic is like the Grand Canyon. That's right. It is. It's exactly like the Grand Canyon. Also just like their love story, the sadness of what that would have been like

to experience everybody on the ship. Just like all of it. I just feel like I wouldn't have gotten it. No, I certainly didn't as an eight year old. I think it was just like, yeah, a beautiful couple and some sad stuff. And maybe that's what Kate and Leo mean when they say they don't love their performances

because like I'd imagine looking back, you'd be like, oh, I didn't understand. I couldn't have understood it, but neither did Jack and Rose. Do you know what I mean? Cause they were young. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Oh, another little bit of trivia is that there was no,

these are fictional characters, obviously, but there was a Jack, or a Jay Dawson on board the Titanic and Jay Dawson's gravestone is the most frequently visited of anybody from the Titanic, which is really crazy. And James Cameron didn't know that. He didn't know that going in, yeah. When he wrote the script. It really shows you the power of this movie

that Titanic, the massive disaster, this was Joel's point, and as I say that, because I'm stealing it from him, his opinion has been rebranded into something romantic just because of this movie. Like this is a Valentine's Day event. Titanic. Right. A thing where 1500 people died. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah.

And perfect. And I can't wait to talk about it and let's fucking talk about it. My god yeah we should say we're not doing a full recap but we're just gonna go through it here for eight hours because we need to break down every freaking detail. Yeah so we just have a obviously have a lot to say about this movie so we're just gonna say all of our thoughts in keeping it at a reasonable runtime. No promises. But I literally am so excited. I have been looking forward to this discussion all week since we saw it.

This is the most excited I've ever been for a recording we've ever done. This is up there for, yeah, the most excited I've ever been. I literally can't wait. Oh my God. I wish I could match your guys' energy. I watched this with Silas in the room and then also couldn't finish it. So I'm really sorry. I'm going to do my best. We had a profound viewing experience, I will say.

You had a really good viewing experience. I wish that I'd been able to really take in the details more because the details in the ship, my God. Well, Henley, you'll watch it on the 30th anniversary with us. OK, OK, OK. I think that my I don't know. I'm feeling like my heart has turned to stone or something. I was just like not. I was like, no, we moved by the. I was like, I don't know.

I don't know. Anyway, so I'm going to I'm gonna do my best. I'm gonna do my best. We're gonna take you on this journey with us. I've never gotten to... We're gonna convince you. ...share Titanic with anyone in my whole life. And so I'm so glad that you're letting me share it with you. Great. And I'm gonna do my best to bring you to where I am, which is in love with the movie Titanic. All right.

I can't wait. You got to bring me there. Bring me there. Okay. But I'm so excited. Jump by jump. I'm so amped. I've never been more excited in my entire life for literally anything.

I wish you had seen it on the big screen, Henley. I think that makes a really big difference. Because I also wanted to rewatch it immediately, but the thought of watching it on just a regular TV screen made me a little sad. I was like, I want to be fully immersed in it because the world is so well created and built and it's just such an experience. You see that 200 million. Oh, you see it everywhere. So let's freaking get into it.

Let's do it. We start in present day. Well, 1997 and the submarines going to visit the Titanic. I had completely forgotten this part of the movie even happened. This was not in my memory of the film Titanic. Okay, this is another thing. I've seen this movie like 150 times. Yeah, that's why I've seen Titanic so many times. Yep. So I've seen it once, Sammy's seen it twice, and you've seen it 150 times. 150 times. So at a certain point, it's just sort of washing over you. Well, like I say that because the opening did not surprise me. I remember it.

Of course, you've seen it 150 times. I mean, it surprised you. That would be shocking. I would be concerned if you didn't remember something after seeing it 150 times. So yeah, no memory of Bill Paxton being in this. And that is when the trivia that Andrew and Evan told us that they were at night, I was like, oh, I guess that makes more sense now. I kind of just thought they, yeah, it was just like random, random guys.

Bill Paxton is just tag along. But I mean, we can blow through this tag-along. Go on Titanic. I mean, we can blow through this part. They're going on the Titanic. It is really cool though. I did, I think because I didn't remember it, it like made it feel like a cool new experience

to me. And so that was kind of exciting. And this is the part I think that the 3D looks best. Yeah, it's cool. Going to the of exciting and this is the part I think that the 3D looks best. Hmm. Yeah, it's cool. Going to the actual shipwreck underwater, even though underwater stuff normally really scares me and a ship like visiting an underwater shipwreck actually sounds really scary. I mean, I would go to Titanic, but yeah, but I think in this moment you feel safe because

you know where you know where the real story is going. So right now we're fine. I was a little braced for a jump scare at some point. None happened. No, not a jump scare kind of movie. No. I mean, this happens a little bit later, obviously, but going from the shipwreck images to the real ship, I find to be deeply upsetting.

That really that really, really, really bothers me. The whole scene of all of them like getting on the boat. Well, okay, let's just get, we'll get through it because we got it. We'll get there in a minute. But I'm with you and I think that is like very chilling. Oof. But it's done so well. Like the effects look so good.

Look, if we're going to talk about the parts of this movie that are done so well, that's gonna be always everyone's favorite. It's gonna be every moment. As many times as Jack and Rose say each other's names because every single part of this movie is done so well. I love Titanic. So. Quick recap of the opening, Bill Paxton

is like a treasure hunter. I mean, what is his job? Like literally his job? He looks like he has unlimited funds to find one necklace, which granted looks like it's a very expensive necklace. Did they ever say how much the necklace is worth? The heart of the ocean? More than the hope diamond. Okay, so a lot of money.

So a fucking lot of money. A lot of money. I think he's like, he's making a movie about it, right? He's like a filmmaker. Oh, yeah, they're doing like some sort of documentary about it. I think he's honestly meant to be a like sort of stand in for fucking James Cameron. James Cameron. Yeah. Like a filmmaker who loves the Titanic.

And so they go down, they see the remains of the ship and they find a safe and they bring it back up and there's a lot of excitement, a lot of cheering poppin champagne before they've opened the safe and you're like, Oh guys, let's rein it in, open up the safe and there's a lot of just like muddy paper inside. And later I was like, Oh, that's money. And those are, that was all those like muddy stacks. That was just being like, well, yeah, did they think that the money was going to still be in good condition? And I'd forgotten about the whole necklace thing. So I was like, all right. So then they're doing some archeological-esque, you know, fine tuning on some of these papers. And there's a little spray down. Is this when we see this is right? Right?

Right? They're restoring one of the things that they have found, which is a gorgeous charcoal drawing. A real sexy photo of this is when we see it, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so like, also, can you see boobs in a PG 13 movie? I know that real boobs are drawing. It's a drawing. We see real boobs later. Do you see her real a PG-13 movie? I know they're not real boobs, it's a drawing. We see her real boobs later. Do you see her real boobs? Oh, I forgot about that. That's crazy, you can see nudity in that way

in PG-13 movies, but you can't curse. Well, you can see female nudity. Yeah. Can't see a penis. Yeah. Can not see a penis. I don't think you can see Bush. You're not allowed in a PG-13 movie. You can see boobs. It's waist up nudity. I think you can say Bush. You're not allowed. NLP 230. You can see boobs.

It's waist up nudity. I think you can see a butt. Oh yeah, you can see butt. You can see butt. You're right. So they're about to go back down and do another little search. When you cut to, there's like a really Southern California vibe house, like sunlight streaming in, potted plants everywhere.

Feels like Santa Barbara to me. burning a vibe house, like sunlight streaming in potted plants everywhere. It feels like Santa Barbara to me. Pictures, you know, very casual, very relaxed vibe. And a young woman is, you know, doing something in the kitchen. And then the TV is turning. A live broadcast of what we have just found on our trip excavating from the Titanic. breaking news, breaking news, breaking news. And you pan and you see an elderly woman, old woman, and she she hears them talking about the Titanic. And she says, Oh, dear. I can't remember her granddaughter's name. Can you turn it up? Can you turn it up? So

he turns it up. And he says, it's Bill Paxton talking about their discoveries and he shows the picture and you cut back to the elderly woman's face and she looks shocked. She says, my god. At this point, I was thinking like wouldn't her granddaughter be saying, no, she'd been on the Titanic. Right. Be saying, oh, is this hard for you to see this? Because I had forgotten. It does seem like her granddaughter has no idea. I think she did not know. I think she doesn't know. And can you imagine living your whole life after surviving the Titanic and not telling anybody that you were on the Titanic? I think that's how did she process that trauma? I mean, maybe easier to just really shove that trauma far away.

Tuck it away. Tuck it away. And I guess this was like before ancestry.com and where people were like doing everything to look up all of their roots. Um, cause in another 20 years, somebody would have known. Nobody would have figured it out. Yep. Um, you can't lie anymore.

But yeah, so they call Bill Paxton up and grandma and granddaughter go onto their boat that they're using to explore the Titanic from in the middle of the ocean, freaking fly them in. She brings all of her paintings or all of her pictures. She brings so much stuff. Fully moves into this ship, which I was also like, you think she'd have some trauma being on a ship? Nope, she seems fine.

I know, I know. I guess, look, the worst thing that could happen to somebody on a ship already happened to her. Yeah, it's kind of like how trauma works. But I do think when people get attacked by sharks, they'll often go right back in the ocean and say, you know, I'm probably not going to get attacked by a shark again. Sure. Well, I was thinking like she probably knows she's going to die any second.

She does seem like she's planning to die there. Yeah, she's like 101. Right? Yep. Yeah, she's like, I'm basically already dead. So then there's Bill Paxton's like right hand guy who's super. I remember this from when I was little and watching it and being like terrified of like the computer imagery. Basically, he like walks her through the whole computer imagery of how the boat

would have sunk. Yeah, which is horrible to do to somebody who was on it. And it becomes important to I'm like, as it goes, I'm like, oh, right. So he tells her basically ship hits the iceberg because they couldn't, the boat was unable to turn fast enough, which is what boats normally would have done at the time they thought they could see the iceberg in time they couldn't, tried to turn.

It makes pokes holes in all the sides of the boat, fills under compartments of the boat with water, which makes the boat too heavy on one side. It's going down. There's nothing that they could do to stop it. Starts going down. The front of the boat goes down. Eventually the boat too heavy on one side. It's going down, there's nothing that they could do to stop it. It starts going down, the front of the boat goes down, eventually the boat splits in half

because that part was too heavy, and then the bottom of the boat does finally sink back down. So we now know how the rest of the movie's gonna play out, which I was like, cool, got it, got it. Love to see this. Grandma's like, it was different if you were there. Yeah, she's like, that's all nice,

but the experience was quite different. It's like, yeah, yeah, with all the people dying, that would have been different. The screaming and the terror and the panic. Yeah, the scariest fucking thing ever. Also, like this happened in the middle of the night. It was so dark. It's deeply, deeply, deeply terrifying.

So scary. But yeah, then we get your shots that are very disturbing to you, Henley, of basically changing from present day into the past where the ship transforms into its former glory, reminding us that this was once a place where beautiful things happened. Beautiful things happened. Okay, just really quick, I need to tell you guys that I recently bought Silas a book called farmhouse, which is this beautiful, beautiful, very like gorgeous illustrated book about a family living in a farmhouse.

I only read the first page before buying it. Then while reading it, basically like there's a family living in a farmhouse, they have 12 kids, like they all grow up, they get into hydrangeas, all this stuff happens. And then it's like all rhyming and cute. And then it talks about like until the youngest one is old and like finally like the final one like moves out of the house and then it keeps with the house as it decays. And then the house, no one lives in it and it slowly mold gets on everything and trash sweeps in. And then someone else comes and finds the house and then redos it again. But basically I was so upset. I was like, I need to burn this book. I can never read this book

again. Like this is so deeply upsetting and rewatching Titanic. It made me realize like it's because of Titanic. I feel this way. Like this is the first time I felt this way of like being so sad. That's a place where like people have like loved and lived like can be abandoned and decay. I mean, that's life. You know, that's like, it's just a visual representation of the passage of time and how everything comes to an end. I was destroyed. I was destroyed. I actually hid the book so my mom couldn't read it to Silas while she was,

because I thought she'd be really upset. But it's also a beautiful story. And like a good, you know, it's a good life lesson. Kind of like the giving tree, which makes me so sad that book. I mean, the giving tree is fucked up. But yeah, anyway, sorry, sorry, we have a lot to get through. I just had to tell you guys about that. Yeah, yeah, I get it. I got it.

Yeah. So we, we now are back in 1912. 1912. That's right. Right. 1912. 1912? That's right, right? 1912. And meeting our characters, we see Jack is playing poker.

Well, I guess first we see the ship, which is a really very stunning, it's again, just takes your breath away. This is the Grand Canyon that we're seeing right now. Yeah, absolutely. And it's all bustling and loading up all the passengers. This is like such a huge event. People are just coming and watching as I want to like go watch a boat, a ship being boarded. I want to be the person on the shore that's waving goodbye. I don't think people like do that anymore. No, I don't think so either, but no, I felt like nostalgic for it, even though I've not done it obviously. But it was like,

I want to be like waving goodbye to everybody and like just in on the excitement of we're all about to go on a journey. Obviously, you know, not, not this one, but not this one, but not this one. But it just is a very exciting atmosphere. Yeah. And Jack wins his Jack is playing poker and something in the the pot. What do you call it in poker? Yeah. One of the things in the pot is someone has put their tickets in and so he wins his tickets onto the Titanic. And we see Rose is with her. Fiance and mother. Yeah. It's clear that Rose is very rich. She loves art. She's like unwrapping art when she gets

into her. Right. She discovered Picasso. That's a very funny thing that they threw in her fiance. Why can't I remember his name now? Cal. Cal. Cal. Cal. Cal. Cal. You're right. Yeah. Cal. Yeah, Cal. Cal doesn't get it. He thinks they're Picasso is dumb. Yeah, so they're shown to their suite, which is like incredible, and they have their own little patio,

and it's like this gorgeous, gorgeous apartment, and meanwhile we see Jack getting on the boat, and he's in the third class cabin, which is like bunk beds in a room of four, but he's just so jazzed to be on the Titanic. We see, yeah, Rose is really rich. She seems very unhappy, very like muted. Yeah, we get some real cringey lines in here

where she says like, "'For others, it was a beautiful experience. "'For me, it was a slave ship.'" Yeah, that is the one thing about this movie. There were a few mentions of things being like being a slave or a slave ship. And I was like, well, nope, no, no, we can't ever make that actually. Can't ever make that comparison. Can't ever, can't ever.

Because it's not. You can't. Yeah. So some certainly some cringy, not great lines. Yeah. But we see that Jack is so thrilled to be on the boat with us. We get that lot. I had that amazing improvised line of him going to the front of the boat, which what is the front called the bow or the stern or is that right?

The bow. It's the bow. He's at the bow of the boat. He's up on the rails. He's the king of the world. Iconic. I mean, people still probably make that joke on the front of boats all the time. I'm sure someone does that every single day. Probably every single day. Somebody I would bet I probably more.

I bet somebody says that every single day. I think truly I truly do. A lot of mention of this being the unsinkable ship. There's also a lot of lines that are like, almost come off as jokes. Cause it's just like, oh, she's an unsinkable ship. Like she won't be going down no way in hell. And she's like, all right.

We meet like the ship's architect is on board. That's Victor Garber. I love his love. I love his love. I love him. And then who's that other guy, the investor? Who's the mustache guy? The investor guy. That's Jonathan Haight, who was in Anaconda and plays the exact same character, but in Anaconda.

Oh, yeah. Okay. And both of those are real people. They are playing real people. Pretty much everybody except for the main characters, Jack, Rose and Cal and like her mom. Pretty much everyone is based on a real person. And James Cameron apparently also gave all background actors stories from real people. 1000 background actors. That's crazy. Wow. All in period dress. Like it's so crazy.

$200 million more than the actual ship. Cost more. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, we're getting some introductory stuff. We're really basically just seeing how rich Rose is and how unhappy she seems to be. Yep. And then is it just Leo's like, the next day, I think, drawing on the again on the bow of the ship. And I this is he sees Rose for the first time. It's night. Oh, it's nighttime. It's nighttime. He sees her during the day that first day when he first sees her. Yeah. And is like

very captured by her. But then yes, that next night, I think. Well, that's yeah, I wanted to say I rewatching it was surprised I couldn't I had forgotten how quickly that scene happens of her. Because that we got a lot of other stuff to get to, you know, you know, like her having her full panic attack and her little, you know, voice over line where she does. I don't remember exactly what the quote is, but she's sitting in the dining room and the camera pans in on her and she's just listening to everyone talk and she's like, basically saying how she can like see how her life is going to play out the same party over and over and over.

And we've seen moments with Cal where he is a total dick and like orders who feared food for her and like doesn't really ever let her talk and just like, she's clearly feeling out really trapped. And so she we in her voiceover saying she's having panic attack basically. And her life is she feels totally trapped. So she runs out to the bow of the ship. It's nighttime and she looks over like, okay, I'm gonna jump off the front of this boat. I'm gonna grab myself. I think we're at the stern now.

Oh, okay, now we're at the stern. Okay, we're at the stern. I don't know. An end, we're in an end of the boat. And she starts, she climbs, but this part is fucking scary. I know. It would be so scary to see she climbs over the railing and is standing like out,

like on the tippy, tippy, tippy, tippy edge of the boat ready to jump off. And Jack comes over and he's like, don't, don't kill yourself. I was gonna say, I had completely forgotten. They meet like during an attempted suicide. I was like, well, I had completely forgotten that detail. And he's a me. And this part is like, he's funny and charming. And he's like, well, here's the

thing. Like if you jump, I'm going to have to jump in after you because now I'm, you know, I can't, I can't just watch you kill yourself. And, and you know, I, the water's going to be really cold and I really don't want to jump in. But again, like I'm going to have to, if you do. And they are, you know, immediate chemistry and he's really freaking her out talking about how she probably won't die from the fall. She'll die from how cold the water is, which is also like, oh, it's devastating knowing what's coming. This movie's perfect. Titanic exhibit, they have a thing where you can feel how cold the water would have been. and feel how cold the water would have been. And it's very cold. Oh, that's kind of cool.

Awful, yeah, he tells her the water's like, basically at freezing temperature. And so she decides, okay, I'm not gonna jump off. She goes to turn around and come back to him. He has her hand and she slips. And oh my God, it's like she's gonna fall over the edge and he tells her, I've got you, I've got you, I won't let go.

Classic. Pulls her back up. They survive, but in falling, she had like screamed, which caught the attention of some guards and they come over and they see them in a heap on the ground and oh my god was he trying to assault her but he says no he he what she said she just says like oh i i slipped i was looking over the edge at the water he saved me he this man's a hero um and her fiance cow comes out it's like

a douchebag and it's like oh come to dinner with us tomorrow night is a thank you. And I feel like they see each other around the boat a few times, right? Like the next day or something. The next day that she like intentionally finds him to thank him, but then it's clear she just like wants to hang out with him. And that's when we have our cute getting to know you conversation. They really start to bond. She looks at his drawings, she says, she's shocked, she's stunned. Such a good artist. Well, first he asked her, he says, Are you in love with your fiance? And she gets so offended. And she's like, How

dare you? How dare you? How dare you ask me such a question? And then, but clearly like, doesn't want to leave. She tries to get him to leave, he won't leave, she's gonna leave She doesn't so they're like flirting then she looks at his drawings and she's stunned and sits down and says Jack These are really good. These are amazing. And then he tells her about you know drawing Prostitutes and including one that didn't have a leg I think yeah And they spit. They practice spitting. They teach us how to spit. And her mom comes, her mom, inconveniently sees that.

And so. That's one of my favorite lines of Kate Winslet's delivery of, and spit like a man. Yeah, such a crazy delivery. That's perfect, if you can believe it. It's perfect. So yeah, they're spitting and the mom discovers them and is like, clearly taking a walk around the ship with other rich ladies and takes Rose away with her. And that's, we haven't really talked much about Kathy Meads, but she's in it and she's amazing. And she's also based on a real person,

Molly Brown, I think. I can't remember if Molly Brown is the actual name of the real person. She is the only not snobby rich person because she's new money. She stays back with Leo and is like, what are you wearing to dinner tonight? And realizes he doesn't have anything to wear. So she lends him a tux from her son, which is very cute. And he looks amazing. He does look, I mean, this really, this tux from her son, which is very cute. And he looks amazing. He does look I mean this really this tux is doing a lot. Is at the top of that staircase in that tux. I shed a tear.

Oh, boy. It's incredible. Your heart simply simply stops. Yeah. And his hair is slicked back like that. And we can see in the picture. I know I've got as my background behind me this moment. But yeah, so I think basically then we go to dinner and he, you know, and everyone thinks he's a rich person because of how good he looks.

And he goes to dinner with them and he like doesn't really know how to do it. There's too many forks and stuff. And Rose's mom is being a bitch and like calls out that he's poor and that he charms everyone because he's just so charming. He talks about, you know, making the most of each moment because that's all you get in life and he's just used to like not knowing where he's going to end

up and everyone is charmed. Rose is absolutely swooning. Somewhere they say is, I don't know if this is now, but somewhere someone says all of life is a game of luck. Which is just. Something like that, which is like yikes. I just hit that line hit me hard. It's like, yeah, it's because it's true. You just, you never know when you're gonna be boarding the Titanic, you just don't fucking know.

Yep. Which is also why this movie I think is scarier as an adult because you go like, yeah. Yeah, you could just show up on a, what you think is a great thing and then die. Right. So. A terrible accident.

Could be around any corner. But also the love of your life could be around any corner, do you know what I mean? That's true. A spoiler alert. Jack doesn't regret getting on the boat. So they, you know, dinner ends and as Jack gets up and says goodbye and goes to like kiss Rose's hand, he puts a little note in her hand and it's so sexy. And the note says to making it count meet me by the clock and she's like oh my god you can just tell that she's like oh my god all of flutter

and she does and she gets up and she meets him and they go down to the bottom of the ship the third class where they're having a freaking party. So fun. The most fun party I've ever been to. And it's like Irish jig music and they're drinking beer and yeah, fiddling and dancing and like just very different vibe from the stuffy dinner. Although they did have lots of champagne at the dinner, which that sounded fun to me. Yeah. But you know, she's making best of both worlds, honestly.

Yeah. The scene is so fun. Them spinning around and dancing. It is really delightful. She is getting a taste of the, yeah, exactly. The other side of life of being free to do whatever she wants, not having to be a proper lady, getting to let loose and drink beer and do, take her shoes off and do a jig. Stand on her toes. Oh my gosh, I forgot she does that. That's so funny.

That's an iconic scene is her chugging the beer and then saying, taking a cigarette out of his hand saying, you think you're a tough man. Can you do this? And then having to say, Jack, hold my dress. and then goes up on her. It's so like, it played for so much drama. It's so weird. I mean, I loved it, but it's so weird. It's such a random thing. But we do see that that Cal's like, you know, butler basically, henchman, has been watching

Rose and is spying, is not happy, he's a real dick. Next note I have is draw me like one of your French girls, so I don't know what else happens. I think the next day, the next day, the next morning at breakfast, Cal brings up to Rose that she was at that party. And she's like, I can do whatever I want.

He's like, he flips the table and is like, you're my wife and you'll obey me. And it's really scary and horrifying. And so she's like, oh, you know, she freaks out and realizes she like can't keep seeing Jack. And when he tries to find her on the ship the next day to talk to her, he like pulls her into a little room. Well, she's getting a tour of the boat from Victor Garber, the architect of the ship, which is where we learned that there are not nearly enough lifeboats for everybody on board.

Yeah, somewhere is May, the other guy on board that we've seen says like, why don't we make this ship go full speed? Like, why are we going so slow? A big news story. And so he tells the captain, yeah, to make the boat go faster. And he's like, I don't think that's a good idea. And he's like, well, it's an unsinkable ship.

What could go wrong? Go faster. So Jack pulls Rose aside and is like, I think, you know, I guess things moved faster in these days when, you know, I don't know, but he was like, I'm in love with you. I've never met anybody like you. And I think you're in love with me. And like, let's be together.

And she's like, I can't I can't be with you. But then what changes her mind? I don't remember what changes her mind. Well, for the sake of storytelling, let's say that it was the table thing. And she goes straight to deciding she now wants to be with Jack. Yeah, I think she just decides she wants to be with Jack.

And so she wants him to, yeah, draw her, like one of his French girls. Another line that probably gets said every single day. Every single day. And yeah, she takes her clothes off and lays down a little like chaise lounge. This scene is sexy as hell. It's so sexy, it's crazy.

One thing I did notice upon a rewatch was her robe in this scene was like phenomenal. Incredible. And also just like a gorgeous piece of clothing. And she like twirls the little robe before she takes like it's like they're just the chemistry. Oh, the chemistry. Off the charts. But like, yeah, imagining that like they have not done anything besides kiss and she's just laying naked in front of him while he draws her.

It's so sexy. It's like crazy. It's crazy. Yeah. I would not have understood that as such. I mean, I would have been like, whoa, but I would not have understood like why and how that is so intense. Yeah. And it's great. And he draws her and

that's great. We have a fun, cute little funny line where she says, Mr. Artist, I think you're blushing. I don't think Monet blushes. And he said, he draws landscapes. It's just very cute. They're really flirting. They love each other. They love each other. And when he finishes with the picture, she takes it and puts it in Cal's safe. Along with the Heart of the Ocean necklace that she had been wearing, that very expensive diamond that Cal had given to her earlier.

We saw, who cares? But we see those two things get put in the safe. We see Leo looking in the safe, we saw, who cares? But we see those two things get put in the safe and we see Leo looking in the safe being like, Jesus, they have a lot of money. But that's, that, and as they're leaving, we hear the henchmen trying to get in and they're like, oh shit, and so they escape out the other side,

but he sees them and he starts chasing them through the chip and they're running and giggling and we're trying to get away from him and they manage to out, they run through the ship and they're running and giggling and we're trying to get away from him and they managed to out they run through the steam room. Looks so unsafe. Engine room. I couldn't believe how fast they were running through just like the most dangerous looking part of the ship.

Yeah. They're having a blast. Absolutely giggling and delighted and just wouldn't slip there and you could die. And that won't be how they die, but there is another thing coming. But they escape into, they're like end up in like a storage area of the ship where there's a car they get into and they fuck.

They have some really sweaty sex. But they have some The sweatiest sex you've ever seen. steamy sex. The car gets all steamy. We get that, you know, classic hand on the glass condensation shot. Oh, my God, we forgot when they decide that they're going to be together. Oh, no, it does not happen later.

No, it happens before the drawing. She decides she wants to be with Jack and that's when we get our I'm flying at the freaking top of the boat. Huge, the most iconic moment of the movie. We just blew right past. What does she say she wants to be with him or she's just talking about how she wants to be like free and like live like him? I kind of feel like they're planning to run away together. Yeah, I think they've just by then they've decided they're going to be together. It's before he draws her because she like she had told him no.

And then for whatever reason that we can't remember, she changes her mind. And it's like, you know what? I am going to go to him. And she does. And they kiss. And then he takes her to the front of the boat. It's sunset. They, you know, he brings her out. You go flying and don't ever I'll never let go or whatever, I don't know. And then so that one happens and then Jermela waiting for her to go and then they have sex in the car and then they go out to the, do you know, the boat, the outside part of the boat, the deck, thank

you. And we're getting little glimpses of the men working on the ship. One guy walks by and says, have you seen my binoculars? The other one goes, nope. And they're like, all right, whatever. They're keeping watch. We've been seeing, they've been getting notes about like, there's a lot of icebergs in the water and they're like, nah, it's fine. It'll be fine.

Which is true. They did get multiple warnings of all of the icebergs and just loud ahead full speed. And I just really like this added detail of with no binoculars. So yeah, we are just coming out of this very sexy romantic scene. And as they go on the deck, the camera pans over to this guy's name is Murdock. And I actually really liked this character as well. And this is a real person. Also, Murdock is the one. Kind of in charge, he must be the second mate or first mate, rather, because the captain has stepped away and he's kind of in charge of the steering the ship right now. The captain is doing something else and they see that

freaking iceberg iceberg straight ahead, baby. It's such a scary shot. It's really scary and something scary that I read in the trivia. So when he sees it, they start ringing the alarms, turn the ship, put on the brakes, it's cutting between the engine room, the, I don't know, ship, what the... The boiler. The... The... The wheel room.

The wheel. And the little lookout deck and it's, it's feeling really stressed and they're trying to slow down the ship and turn it as fast as they can. And there's debate about in real. So that all did happen. Murdoch like logged all of this that they get this time we like cut the gas and turned at this degree and blah, blah, blah. And it's possible that that could have been the wrong decision and that hitting the iceberg head on would actually have done a lot less damage. So because of the way-

They would have still made it probably. They just would have been damaged. Yeah, so the way that the iceberg hits the ship because it's turning, it's slices all down the whole basically side of the ship. And you know, ultimately is, you know, sinks it. But I feel like it's all so sad. It really is so sad. I cried from here on out watching. It really is devastating because I mean, it's like, it's the fear of being in a plane crash, but like in slow motion. It's that same thing. Exactly. Imagine it just being hours, I guess about two hours

of just knowing that you're about to die in a really bad way. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And being surrounded by other people panicking knowing that they're going to die in a really bad way too. Yeah. Oh man. This scene is so striking, just the enormity of it.

I really felt it this time watching the iceberg like hit it and then they're on the deck and they're watching it and it's so close to them. And then watching it like go past and they're all like, what the fuck was that? Like, how scary can you imagine being on a ship and seeing that? And what's so crazy too is like in the moment. It's like, are we fine? Yeah, no, the only people who are like, oh, no, are the the people running the ship, right? Like all of them you see immediately that they're like, oh my god, oh no, are the people running the ship, right? Like all of them, you see immediately that they're like, oh my God, oh no. But like Jack and Rose and the other passengers are like,

whoa, that was crazy, ooh. But like disparity between the levels of panic in this moment, like really stressed me out because that is, I remember, oh my God, this is awful. But I know, I know somebody who's a flight attendant and he told us a story once about one time they took off on a flight to Paris and they're like on takeoff, some of their landing gear got fucked up

and they knew like we just, there's no way to test this until we land. So they were like, do we try to do an emergency landing? And the captain was basically like, let's get to Paris. And like, we can't know until we try to land. We might as well get the full flight in. And so like the crew, the captains, everyone who like knew what was happening

had to go about the whole flight acting like it was normal and everything was fine, knowing they might die when they landed and not being able to convey that to anybody else and just knowing it amongst themselves and just being like, they landed, it was fine. But how fucking crazy is that? It's horrifying. It's so horrifying. And obviously the other people who knew were the men working in the very bottom of the ship who were immediately like struck with water.

Oh my god, that seems so scary. Oh, so sad because then they have obviously to try to save the ship, they have to close all of those doors. And the men are trying to get out and they're like, some of them don't make it. They're like, we're not gonna wait for anyone. So they just press a button that's just automatically shutting the doors to minimize the amount of water that gets in. But that the holes are are too big. And it's Mr. Andrews basically is the first one to be like, it's going to go down, I think because at first the captain and the other the first they kind of think like, Oh, well, we close the doors and this is the unsinkable ship and it's going to be fine.

I think it's bad, but they're like, yeah, they call him up because he's the car, the architect of the ship. And they're like, tell us, you know, tell us where to start repairing. And he's like, well, which compartments filled with water. And they go like, he is, and he it's, oh my God, again, it's so scary. He just goes like, Oh, the ship is, he says it's oh my god again it's so scary he just goes like oh the ship is sinking. He says it's a mathematical inevitability like the ship is sinking. This is a fact we have an hour maybe two it's going down we need to start loading

up the lifeboats and yeah this is now where everyone the and they're all just like the the passengers on the ship are just you know like asking for drinks like more cocktails. I mean, it's like midnight. They were pulled out of their beds or they were still partying and they're all like, okay, fine. We'll put our life vows on. Like what's happening here?

Who cares? Oh, and Rose and Jack run into Mr. Andrews and they saw the iceberg get hit. So they are a little bit like, is this bad? I don't know. And she sees him and is like, tell me the truth, what's going on? And he's like, don't tell anybody because it's gonna cause panic, but we're sinking. And he tells her, oh, and this part is so sad.

He goes, get to a boat. You remember what I told you about the boats, which is that there are nowhere near enough of them. And he says, oh, I'm sorry, Rose, I'm sorry, I didn't build you a better ship. Oh, it's so sad. So they go out to the deck, I think, right, and try to get on a boat. Well, I think they first go to warn her his right. All happens. They're like, we need to warn Cal and my mother. And so yeah, they go back to the room. And then Cal accuses or oh no, he has his like henchmen drop the necklace into his pocket. Cal goes

back to the room to try to find where Rose is and he opens his safe and sees the picture and she had left a note with it that says, now you can keep both of us locked in your safe. And he's pissed. And so yeah, they, when they come back to the room, they plant the heart of the ocean on Jack as if he stole it and the ship police take him and arrest him and handcuff him, real bad place in time to be handcuffed. Oy, oy, oy. Handcuff him down at the bottom of the, you know.

I was talking about this last night for some reason, thinking about, you know, in Saw and other horror movies where it's like people have to do a horrible painful thing in order to survive and not have a more horrible painful thing happen. And so I've always seen in movies that people, you can like break your thumb to get out of handcuffs theoretically. And so I was watching in this moment being like, break your thumb, break your thumb, break your thumb. But then like in my mind being like,

well, I don't think that I could break my thumb in this scenario. And also I'm not positive that it would work. Like I've only seen it in movies. So imagine breaking your thumb. But if I see the like water level rising at my feet and I'm handcuffed, I feel like I wouldn't be able to stop thinking about that. And I'd be like, should I fucking like break my hand right now to get out of here?

I don't know what you do. Because then you have to swim. I mean, the issue is like you break your hand and then you have to swim to safety. I mean, at least you have the option to swim to swim. I mean, the issue is like you break your hand and then you have to swim to safety. I mean, at least you have the option to swim to safety. Yeah. But like slowly drowning while you're like handcuffed. Well, wouldn't you? I think you might. Well, I guess it depends on how quickly the water comes up. Because the thing that I was confused about is there's so much of her then like going through the water but wouldn't she have like died of hypothermia really quickly with how much time she spends

in the water anyway okay whatever that's just me being confused. So yeah so he gets handcuffed she goes back up to get on a lifeboat I guess.. I think so. And her mom and Kathy Bates, I think they're all put on the same lifeboat at first and she jumps off of that one. Well, yeah, because Cal says something about how he's excited that Leo Dioprio is going to die or something. Oh, I think, yeah, she doesn't actually even get on it in the first place. And the mom says something about how like, oh, are the lifeboats going to be divided by class or something like that?

The mom is such a bitch. And Rose kind of looks at both of them and is like, I'm not getting on that fucking boat. Like fuck you guys. Yeah. But Cal can't get on. Cal tries to get on. And they won't letting men on. And so she stays on the boat.

Her mom is pretty upset. She runs back to go get Leo. To go find him. And, oh, it's so scary. This is when it starts to become like a thriller. This is when the movie is like, it's so stressful water is so scary. The lighting is so terrifying. The fact the lights keep like going off and coming back on and the water is just like rising and rising and rising. Oh, this whole

part. Oh, I hate it. And she eventually read. I read in the trivia just one more thing, which is that they made her costume like two sizes bigger for these scenes to make her look more vulnerable while she was in the water. Why just because it would be looser? Yeah, so it looked like she was really like eventually and can't find the key for his handcuffs. And so runs to go try to find a key, but then can't find it still and runs back and there's an she breaks an axe like an emergency case with an axe and Anne runs back with the axe. This one was so fun. Anne has to use it to chop his handcuffs off, but yeah, do the test run. He asks her to try to hit the same spot twice on a dresser nearby and she gets like a two

foot distance away. It is not at all close. He says, all right, that's good enough. That's enough testing. Let's just do it. And I put myself in her shoes here too. And I think this, I don't even know if I could do this. I'd be.

Yeah, well, and she closes her eyes when she swings. Yes, a really bad move. So stressful. But again, that's not the scary part of this movie. So she does manage to get the handcuffs. Other bad things are gonna happen. We don't need that too, which I appreciate. I did not wanna see him get axed anywhere.

Hand chopped off, can you imagine? Or even just sliced, you know? Just like a chop in the arm. And this is when we really start to see how they have locked all the people in steerage and are not letting them out. Which is also true and on the actual Titanic, those doors were just always locked. It wasn't something that they did to prevent them from getting out. It was to prevent them from getting out during this, the sinking,

they just like didn't want third class passengers where first class passengers could be. So they were just basically locked below deck the entire time. So Jack wouldn't have been able to come, come and go in that way. They weren't, wait, were they not allowed up deck at all? I think they probably were sometimes, but for the most part they were closed. And I, I learned that at the Titanic exhibit and then also the show 1899, it also takes place on a big ship and it shows that much more that they're just like constantly locked below deck, which is also just so fucked up. I hate that.

And this is where eight year old me, there is a scene where they find a little boy in the hallways crying by himself and they go to pick him up to try to carry him to safety or wherever they're going. And the boy's dad comes up and grabs him from them and is talking to them in a different language. And they're trying to tell him, like, you come this way. But in the panic, the man and his son go the opposite direction and are just completely washed away by a wave of water. And in the theater, eight year old me absolutely fucking lost my shit at this scene. This is where I basically was like scream crying in a way that is not okay and was absolutely ruining the movie for everybody

else. And my mom was like, we should go. We should go. We should go. And I was like, no, no, we have to stay. We have to stay. But I think it was because it was like the first time I realized children could die. Like I think I understood that.

I understood that death happened, but I had never conceptualized my own death. I was like, well, death happens to old people. And so seeing a child die, I was just like, oh, destroyed by it. Yeah. It was like how I got so fucked up. I pay it forward. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Um, I, this is where I had to like, not fully watch because there's too many upsetting things. Like there's the mom like going to bed with her children. Like they all like get in bed together. That was a little later. So sad. But yeah, I mean, we're, we're in, we're in that zone. We're in the bad zone.

It's all bad here on out. And yeah, so they, the Jack and Rose get back up to the deck. And I think now he's trying to get her into a lifeboat. And she gets into it and realizes that, they kind of trick her, both him and Cal together are saying to her like we have a deal with another lifeboat on the other side of the ship and we're getting in in that one and you'll be in this one and we'll see you later and so she gets kind of reluctantly into the lifeboat and then and at this point I was pissed I was like seriously she gets in the book like I knew there was more movie left because I've seen moments of Cal like chasing with a gun. But I was like, I had at this point, I'm like, Oh,

that's just Leo. Like we're done with, we're done with the two of them. What a fool am I? Yeah. She, she puts it together and realizes that they're lying to her. And she, as they're lowering the lifeboat, jumps off it to the deck below, like the level below where Cal and Jack are and jumps back onto the boat. And everyone is shocked. What are you doing?

The Titanic boat. Yes. What are you doing? The boat is also at this bad angle. It's like a 30 degree angle. We can see now that the front of it is underwater basically. And yeah, so then Jack runs to reunite with Rose. Cal is furious. I told Joel at this point, I was like,

I would jump back onto the Titanic to hang out with you for a little bit more. And he was mad. He said he'd be mad at me. And you know what? That ain't your fucking choice. I can die however I want. I don't, I, yeah, I can get off the Titanic if I want to.

And I would probably. That's real love. Well, it's just like, I'm probably going to die anyway. You know, I'd rather be not alone, honestly. So. Yeah. I think probably the experience of being on those lifeboats was also horrible, horrible, just watching it and hearing it.

And I, oh, yeah, that's going to make me cry. Oh, it's terrible. Terrible. People like being in the water and knowing that they're in the water. Oh, God. But they do reunite. Jack says, you're so stupid, Rose, you're so stupid, stupid, stupid. Kisses her a whole bunch. Cal is furious. And is this where he's chasing after them with the gun?

He wants to. Yeah, I think now he's he wants to kill him. And he's just kind of shooting around. And still, there's other people around. Yeah, he's like, Cal, you got bigger fish to fry here. Yeah. Imagine being like literally about to die and being mad about... Like, just let it go. To see your wife, your fiance.

It just, yeah, it seems like it shouldn't be his concern at the moment. Yeah, it's unreasonable. It's unreasonable. Unreasonable. At some point, they, I guess, get away from him and he goes back up to the to the top deck and he's trying to bribe his way onto one of the boats. And some of the third class passengers that were Jack's friends are trying to get onto the boats and realizing that there's not enough boats for basically the the men aren't really going to get on the boats. It's still all women and children. And Murdoch, the first mate, he pulls out

a gun because it's starting to get to be like the crowd is closing in and it's becoming completely chaotic and the lifeboats are at risk of flipping and they could destroy the lifeboats. And so he's waving the gun around and he shoots one of the guys that one of Jack's friends and kills him and then kills himself. I'm going to cry. Oh, it's so sad. He like does a little salute to one of his friends and then shoots himself and falls off the boat. And I don't think that Murdoch, the real Murdoch, I don't think did that, that that's disputed. But there are reports of one of the crew men having done that.

But it's just wasn't him. It's so sad. And we're seeing, yes, that there's the the little four piece quartet is comes out onto the deck and starts playing for everybody as all of this is happening and they're planning to go down with the ship. We're seeing there's like a few people who have accepted their fate basically and are just kind of...

I'm gonna cry thinking about those people playing the music together. The music part makes me cry every time. I mean, yeah. Oh God. Oh God. Oh God, no. We're in like the danger zone. We're in the real danger zone. It's all bad from here on out. And there's one very rich old man that now I can't remember his name, but he is also a real person. And he is in his finest suit and him and his friend set up their little chairs

in the dining hall or whatever and are drinking their fancy Scotch or something and saying like, yep, like I we're going down with the ship we're gonna go down in style and that was that was a real man that Because they they tried to get him onto the lifeboat because he was a very rich important man And now I can't fucking remember who he is, but that was a real guy too, that he refused to spot on the lifeboats

because he couldn't like bear the thought of taking the spot from a woman or child. And he said, nope, like I'll never do that. And I'll go down with the ship. And he did just like sit on the deck and drink alcohol and went down with the ship. Yeah, I mean, I would get myself so drunk. Yeah, I know.

That's what I would do. If I didn't have access to a gun where I could kill myself, I would just be like, okay, I will lose consciousness. I don't think I could ever shoot myself. I think even in this situation, I still don't think I could shoot myself. I don't know if I could, but I sure as hell could get drunk.

I could definitely get very drunk, and I think that would- I could get so. I could definitely get very drunk. And I think that would... I could get so drunk if I were on the Titanic. I think that would be my move as well. I think that's smart. Because the other thing that was so sad is that they weren't even filling up the lifeboats all the way. Right?

No, they weren't. They weren't. Really realize at first, I think the first lifeboat had something like, it was barely half full. It was like 11 or 12 people. And didn't he say they could fit like 40 people or like 60 people? Yeah. Most of the boats could fit 65 and then there were a few boats that could fit 40. But yeah, they just barely filled any of them to capacity. And so yeah, now the ones at the end, everyone's panicking and swarming and it's just, oh, it's all looks so bad. We see also Mr. Andrews, the architect, he has also decided he's going down with the ship and there's a scary scene

of him in the ballroom and all of the plates and glasses falling off sliding. And the again, the angle of all the rooms is like now we're at 45 degrees. It's not good. It's not okay. It's very too angled. It's not right. At some point, the ship splits in half, which we saw was going to happen.

And so the front of the ship is completely gone. Somewhere in here, the quartet plays their song, Nearer My God to Thee. And it's so beautiful. And this is where we get the montage of like all of the saddest images possible of a mother putting her children into bed and being like, okay, good night. Like the water like rising. I couldn't watch it again. I was like, I can't watch it.

I imagine that part would have been. It's devastating. Tougher for you. Watching everyone just be. It's awful. It's really, really awful. I mean, it feels, they recreated it so well. It feels really real. Yeah. And there's that old couple that are holding each other in bed and like they look scared.

They look really scared. Yeah. I mean, you can't, like it's sweet that they are doing that, but I was like, you can't just go to bed. Like you're not gonna stay asleep. Yeah. This is why you gotta get so drunk.

You need to get way drunker. You gotta get drunk. You gotta get really drunk. And you guys, this gotta get blackout drunk. The old couple is King Princess's grandparents. I knew it. I knew it. That's them.

Really? Yeah. In reality, I don't think they were in bed, but they said, because he couldn't get get on, actually some of Rose and Jack is based on them because he couldn't get on and she basically said, I like where you go, I go and I won't get on the lifeboat if I could like, I'll stay here with you. And they I think stayed on the deck. I think they did drink. I think they just sat there and drank together. But yeah, that's King Princess's grandparents.

Oh my god. Yep. Oh my god. Imagine knowing that's how your grandparents died. That's fucking crazy. That's so sad. That's so sad. It's so sad, but also really beautiful. They're like real life Jack and Rose, except old, which is much better. Yeah, it's true. So then we get just like the wildest, I mean, people like flying off of the boat now, obviously, because it's fully like bobbing.

Oh my god, it's so fucking awful. Truly flying off the boat. It's like flying off the boat. It's like, vertical. Flying off the boat. Like hitting things and dying that way. And like, it's so, it's so, this is horrible. It's horrible, it's horrible. And somehow Jack and Rose managed to like, climb up to the very top of the boat. He basically says we need to stay out of the water

as long as possible because we know that water is freezing. And once they... Jack is so smart in this. You got to have love having a guy like Jack in this moment. Because once they are in the water, basically a clock starts ticking like you're not going to survive super long in the water. So they want to stay out of it as long as possible.

So they climb onto the back of the boat on and as it's vertically going down. And then remember my nightmare, he says the once it goes under the boat, oh, first they say, she says, this is where we met. And actually, you know what really affected me also this time was just she just turns and looks at the people on both sides of her and just like seeing the fear in everybody's faces. It's like, it's just, it's so sad because it's, it's kind of like, I think in a movie you would expect her to turn to them and maybe they share like a smile or something. They are not, I don't know. There's nothing to smile about.

I don't know why they would, and it obviously wouldn't make sense, but I guess I just, you don't see that captured in film. A lot of just like two people looking at each other and recognizing we're both about to die and we're both fucking terrified. And yeah, really, really hit me hard. But then Jack says once the boat goes under, there's going to it's going to try to pull us under to basically gets the current this section, there's gonna, it's gonna try to pull us under too, basically. It gets the current, this suction, which is, that was my nightmare.

That was smart and so scary. And I was like, oh God, yeah, yep. Like a fucking whirlpool. Yep. Horrible, horrible. And so they do get separated as they get pulled under in the undertow, they are separated and she comes but he's not in a life jacket she is I know I kept thinking why doesn't

he put on a life jacket it wouldn't have I think helped ultimately but it I did hate that too hated it and just her popping up in a sea of screaming people is. Everyone is screaming. Everyone is screaming. Of course, we do get cut cuts back to the lifeboat of her mom and Kathy Bates. Just watching this and listening and just it's absolutely horrifying. And also, by the way, Cal tried to, or no, he did sneak his way onto a lifeboat. He finds a child who's crying and says, this is my child. I'm

all she has in the world and is able to get on a lifeboat that way. Um, and then we get, they find each other, Jack and Rose find each other, and find a broken off door, and try to both get on top of it at first. They both try, I know a lot of people have thoughts about this, they both try to get on. I have always been an adamant believer that they cannot both fit on this door. Not that not I think you're right about that. They both

couldn't fit, but that the fact that he's not on it is the reason she's able to not freeze to death because she is fully out of the water. And I believe that if he was on it, they would both be slightly underwater. It would just be pushed down a bit. That's my theory. James Cameron did test this again recently because he's an overachiever and he did admit that they could both fit on it but he said there are a lot of variables. I think they both would have died had that happened because the whole point was you can't be in the water. Yep. And water would have gotten on that door if if they'd both been on it. I think so. And I do I do remember reading that you would have died of like cardiac arrest from being in the water for that. Yeah, oh my God.

Even like five to 10 minutes or something. And that weirdly made me feel better because it's like that feels- That would be a way better way to go. I would much rather, well, I would rather freeze to death than drown for sure. I feel like even his death here is like preferable to what it could have been

when he was handcuffed in the room or what, like drowning to me is Absolutely scarier much worse. Well, and also when you freeze to death, I think don't you actually feel really warm at the very end Shutting down of your Like awareness that sounds much better to me and, also being really drunk while that's happening. Really drunk, really drunk would be the only acceptable way to go down on the Titanic. Acceptable.

Oh. So sad. It's so sad. Although I will say I was like braced this whole time, this whole, my whole viewing experience was really knowing where it's going. I knew I knew Jack didn't make it. I knew that. Obviously, we know Rose does. I thought that we were going to get a really devastating scene of the of her like watching him die. And we don't.

Which is better cuts away and cuts back to them. Which is better. It cuts away and cuts back to them. And she's so near death that she's not aware that he's dying. Like she's just, she sees that he is dead, which is awful. But I thought she was going to have to like watch the life leave his eyes. Which I wasn't okay with. Yeah, we didn't see that, thankfully. Before he dies, he does tell her that she's not allowed to give up and she's going to

survive and she's going to do all these things that they had talked about earlier. She's going to ride on a horse in Santa Monica and do, she's going to have kids and she's going to live a long life and she's going to die in her sleep when she's a hundred and one. You'll be on a boat. Yeah. You'll be thinking about me. And the lifeboats at this point are realizing that, you know, they have space for more people and they should go to the

where all of the people are floating in the water. But by the time they get there, basically everybody is dead. And all and only one boat goes back. The rest of them don't even do it. And they are so scared they'll get like pulled down or something. And that's also true. And Molly's also true. And Molly Brown, Kathy Bates's character was, there's a scene in the movie where she stands up and says, like, let's go get him. Like, what the hell's wrong with you people? Let's go over there.

And she really did do that. And they wouldn't do, they wouldn't listen to her. But yeah, so one boat goes back and we see just all of these corpses floating in the water. Oh, and Rose is so, Rose is so out of it based like on death's door, just barely holding on to life. She lets go of Jack's hand while she says, I'll never let go, I'll call back to it earlier line. And we watch him sink down and disappear into the depths of the ocean. And she tries to call out to the lifeboat,

but her voice is basically gone. Help, help, come back help. Help. Come back. But she saw a guy earlier with a whistle, swims over to it, gets that whistle and then blows into the- Taking a whistle out of a dead guy's mouth. Really not fun. It's really gross. It's really gross. But I would do it. I'd fucking do it. Saves her life. I would fucking do it. I would fucking do it. Saves her life. I would fucking do it. I would absolutely do it. Saves her life. Saves her life. She gets onto that lifeboat and we see the ship that basically answered their distress calls the Capber. I can't remember.

I used to know the name of the boat that came, but I forget. Wow. And I think we see Cal on there and her mom and she just hides from them. She just never talked to her mom ever again for her whole life. I guess not. I guess so. I guess she lets her mom think that she died. She's dead. Because then they ask her name because they're like taking registry of everyone and she says Dawson Rose. It's funny cuz don't you think if her mom saw that she would be like, wait a second

Her mom's not checking the fucking list her mom asked is there a you know, whatever whatever their other last name was probably and then That's probably that So she survives and we go back to present day and probably. And then that's probably that. So she survives and we go back to present day and. Oh, she finds that doesn't she find the necklace in her pocket? Because Cal had given her his jacket and he'd had the necklace. The heart of the ocean in it, which I was like, after he put her, that jacket on her, she was in the ocean in it, which I was like, after he put her, that jacket on her, she was in the ocean. She was being jostled around by sea water on the boat. Like no way. There's

a loose jacket and a loose pocket. Like that, that is gone, gone, gone, gone, gone. Nope. But you know, it's a movie, so we get to still have it. And then we see her go out onto the deck of this boat in the middle of the night as 101 year old woman in a pretty nasty nightgown, to be honest with you. Pretty nasty nightgown, honestly. And she climbs up onto the railing, pulls out that heart of the ocean.

We get a close up on her little foot. And drops it into the ocean and goes, oh, oh. Really made me laugh. And gets, goes back and gets into bed. And we see all of the photos that she had brought with her, her doing the things that she promised Jack she would do and riding a horse regular style and she dies in her sleep and we get one last shot. I mean, I take it to mean she dies in her sleep. I think so. Yeah. Yeah, I hope so. And because we get one last shot of her back at the Titanic and everyone opens the, they

open the door for her and it's this long line of people waiting, leading her down to the grand staircase and welcome aboard ma'am. And at the top of the staircase is Jack and they embrace. And I think that's the end of the movie, right? I think that's the end of the movie, right? I think that's the end of the movie. Oh, so sad. I don't want to like live the rest of my life on the Titanic though, or I don't want to live like my afterlife on the Titanic. Oh, what a beautiful ship though. It's a beautiful ship though. It's a beautiful ship. And I feel like maybe you

would know that it's not going to sink in the afterlife. Yeah, and you're there with Jack. But sure, it's a scene of a very traumatic event. So I could understand. But yeah, 2224 people on board, 1514 died. So 68% of the people on board died. I wrote down like, that's so crazy statistics. Why? Wait, do we know why weren't there enough lifeboats? Because of aesthetic reasons. They didn't want the deck to be crowded with lifeboats. But it absolutely could have fit enough light boats for everybody and should have. Which the architect does say, he was like, we could have fit more. But they're like, and that's when they say again,178 and they fit 706.

Mm hmm. Oh god. Seeing all those bodies frozen in the water. Oh my god. It's also just, I mean, it's also just so sad that it's- I can't believe it actually happened. I can't believe it actually happened. It's only the first class people who got out alive. Like basically, everyone who died. So 39% of first class died. 58% of second class died and 76% of third class and crew died. Yeah, because most of the crew died too. Yeah, most of the crew died. Of course. Yeah. 25% of the women on board died and 80% of the men on board died. Yeah.

It's wild, man. Oh, I hate it. It's so sad and I find it really fascinating how fascinated I am with it and I don't quite know how to explain it because it's like, if there were like a movie about 9-11, like, is there people out there that are like obsessed with 9-11 in this way? Because like, I'm like so fascinated by the Titanic. And I mean, it just like ships in general and ships sinking in general. I do feel like there are people who are really fascinated with disasters.

I think it's something to do with what you said about it's like it's a plane crash, but it takes two hours for it to happen. I mean, it's just such a slow moving, massive disaster. just such a slow moving, massive disaster. That is kind of fascinating. I think it's also related to the part of my brain that likes horror, where it's like something, and maybe also something about how our brains are somewhat programmed to focus on danger and negative things as like a way to survive them and like

look at threats and end. Like a coping mechanism. Yeah, as like a survival thing to be like basically prepare for what you would do in that type of situation. But I can't turn off that, that preoccupation with the Titanic. I mean, I'm pretty obsessed with it too. Like I honestly, I get it. I mean, I think a lot of people are I don't think I yeah, I'm alone in it. There's literal museums and exhibits and someone sent me I think a listener sent me an Instagram reel of a kids party where there was a blow up Titanic slide so it's at like the angle so you climb

up and you basically slide down the deck of the ship. Just so fucked up. Like how people do the end of this movie to their deaths. That is horrible. It's really fucked up. That's horrible. Yeah. It's hard to look away though.

Yeah. It's endlessly interesting. It really is interesting. Emily, I'm so happy that you finally saw Titanic. I'm so happy as well. And I can't believe I went almost 32 years without. That's too long. I guess I only had the option for 25 years. So I can't believe I went 25 years

without having seen Titanic. Holy fucking shit. It's so good. It's so good. In this retelling, I was like, am I going to watch Titanic tonight? Because I want to watch it again like right now. I'm going to watch The Last of Us. I'm going to watch that too. And I'm going to hate it. I think I would imagine this episode might be a little less devastating. Henley, have you watched last week's yet? We won't spoil anything. I still haven't watched it.

I still haven't watched it, but I know, I think I know exactly what happens. I don't know if you do. Not exactly. You're gonna like it, whatever it is. Yeah, I've had vague sense. Whatever it is, you're gonna like it. I haven't seen it. I added to my library queue, I added myself on the waitlist of the like, Titanic nonfiction

book like all about it. Like I'm just I, yeah, it leaves me wanting more. I want to know everything about it. I'm so fascinated. I think one reason also for the fascination might be, I could be wrong, but it's like the expectation thing. It's like everyone's expectations were so high. They were so high for the ship, for the future of the ship, building the ship, its first journey. There was so much pressure and excitement and joy and life.

And everyone is feeling good. Everyone's partying on the ship. Everyone's living their life like to their fullest. And then the most horrible thing happens. The most horrible thing. Yeah. And so it's this, it's also just like the switch. That's kind of fascinating of like, oh, everything seemed so great. It really seemed like it was great. And then it got so bad, really fast. It's also just kind of fascinating. A perfect smaller scale example of how disasters disproportionately affect people without money. 100% Yes. And without means. So...

Yeah. Oh, it's dark. It's dark. It's dark. But it is good. And I highly recommend the Titanic exhibit. I thought. I want to see it. I'm very curious. I highly recommend the movie Titanic, if anybody's ever heard of it. One of the most famous and successful movies of all time. If it still is out in theaters this weekend, go see it.

Let's keep it in that top three. Go see it. Go see it in theaters, man. It's got to be better than the new fucking Avatar. Come on, guys. Come on. I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen it yet.

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