Too Scary; Didn't Watch - UNDERTONE with Ian Tuason, Nina Kiri, and Adam DiMarco

Episode Date: March 18, 2026

We got to talk to the director and cast of A24's new horror movie Undertone, and somehow we're even more scared now??Movie Intro and Trivia @ 21:00Recap starts @ 27:09Interview with writer/director Ian Tuason and actors Nina Kiri and Adam DiMarco @ 1:33:00Watch the interview on YoutubeTrailerFollow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram.Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content!Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy.Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a headgum podcast. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy. And you're listening to Too Scary Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those Too Scared to Watch for themselves. I'm Emily, and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley, and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies.

I'm Sammy, and I love watching scary movies, and so I watch them so that you don't have to. And we have a very, exciting episode today. That just I feel like reminded me of the wickedly talented. Oh my gosh. And we are recording this on

Oscars Sunday so hopefully we get another wickedly talented moment such as this. That's exactly. That's the kind of Oscars moment I want. Just something like that. Just give me a little Adel DeZeme. Is that too much to ask? Who are manifesting.

For some Adele DeZeme in 26, please. A little innocent fun. That hurts nobody. I'm sure John feels perfectly fine about it and he's not, it doesn't pop up in his mind at night when he's alone. No one was harmed. But truly I am very excited for this wickedly exciting episode. Wickedly.

And if you're super excited, there are timestamps in the show notes. Because first, I'm in talk to my friends and ask them, Did anything scary happen to either of you guys this week? I just quickly want to tell you guys about my Monday when it was, you know, when you just the winter has been terrible when it's been snowing every single day. It's been negative five degrees the second you step outside the door. I mean, I can't relate, but I can imagine. You can imagine. Right, right.

You can imagine. Well, then you have a freakish 75 degree day that comes out of nowhere. Scary. Scary. A little scary. A little scary. A little scary, but also really good for the dopamine receptors. Really good for my brain coming back online. I climate change never heard of her. We're big climate deniers on this. On a day like a 75 degree day when it's been 40 degrees every other day. Yeah, it's fine. But anyway, so sun is shining. I'm outside. I'm with Silas. I'm at the toy store. And I got a call from Tim who's taking May to the dentist. After the dentist, May, they gave her like a little toy as a prize. I don't know what if this dentist was thinking.

Again, my crusade against dentists. Yeah. More climate deniers and anti-dentist. Yeah. We're anti-medicine. We're just kidding. If you're just treating this song, we're kidding. We're kidding.

We're kidding. We're kidding. We're kidding. I think they're assuming most kids going to the dentist are above the age of two and a half because they gave her a toy that is easily swallowed. And that's the first fucking thing they did. She got the toy, put in her mouth, swallowed it immediately. Tim calls me frantic.

Of all people, they should be the most aware of what's mouth-sized. Of course. Like, excuse me? They were just there. They've been in so many mouths. Anyway, so I got to call her Tim. Tim's like, he's like, fuck. Like, he's in such a bad mood.

Again, it's the first beautiful day outside. It's the first beautiful day outside. We're about to spend the whole fucking day in the hospital in the ER. So he's like spiraling. He's like, I'm driving me to the emergency room right now. She swallowed a plastic diamond. Was she in distress? She cried.

What happened was she cried? because Tim, I was going to say it's usually just from seeing other people stressed. Yes, it's because she was, but I don't think it hurt her at all. She was fine. And then she was totally fine. And she's been fine. Spoiler alert, May is completely fine. However, so I'm in the toy store with Silas. Silas is looking at me. I'm talking to Tim. Silas is trying to like get all the information through the phone. Something's happening. Something's going on. The energy has shifted. The energy shifted. What's going on? He gets, he gets. He collects as much detail as he can.

Then I watch him as I'm continuing to talk to Tim. He stomps to the front of the store. He starts to like hold court in front of the store. He's like, he might as well be like, here you, hear you. All you employees of the toy store. I have news to share with you. I'm going to the hospital now. Oh, my God.

My sister's going to the emergency right now. My sister's going to the emergency room right now. My mom is on the phone with my dad. My dad is taking my sister to the emergency room. She swallowed a diamond. She swallowed a diamond. I love this. Attention.

Oh, you enter. My sister has swallowed a diamond. And I'm on the phone with... My father has told my mother that my sister has swallowed a diamond off the rush to the emergency. And I'm on the phone with Tim trying to like calm him down, collect all the facts. Well, meanwhile, I'm trying to tell. all the people in the toy store like, it's not a real diamond and like she's fine and like we're nothing to worry about here. Everyone go about your business.

Meanwhile, the Greenwich people are like, oh yes, my daughter swelled my diamond before my real diamond. I know exactly the thing this happens to me all the time. We've all been through this. They're really good at getting... Oh, first daughter swaddling a diamond. You'll get used to it. They're great at dealing with that, the Greenwich Hospital. Anyway, no, May is completely fine. She, we spent the rest of the afternoon. Silas then went on a play date with one of his best friends. And so he didn't have to be in the hospital with us. But yeah, I think he would have gotten sick of it pretty quick. She got sick of it pretty quick.

We were also like wandering the halls, poking our heads in places that there shouldn't have been. Yeah, what's going on in this room? Yeah, like who's getting stitched up here. They love it when you do that. They really do. It's not against the rules at all. She got lots of things from the gift store. She ended up having a great day.

And we missed the whole beautiful day outside, the whole beautiful sunny day. Was it 40 degrees again? the following day. Yeah, immediately it was snowing. Literally, like, I'm not kidding. 24 hours later, it was snowing again. Full snow. Full snow on the ground.

But that was, that was my Monday. What about you guys? How are you doing? Honestly, today was one of those days where I was like, okay, we're doing the podcast. What did you do this week? What's your life? Has anything happened to you? Like, like, I've got, I've got just simply nothing in the brain.

Couldn't tell you what I've done. Was it scary? Probably not, because I can't remember it. Or it was so scary that I blocked it out of me. I am not to totally talk about the weather, but I am not liking what's happening with the weather. What's happening? It's like 95 degrees in Los Angeles right now in March, which is warm. It's concerning. It's concerning. Not for any sort of, you know, doomsday foretelling of things. to come because that's obviously not real and I don't believe in it. But it's the kind of weather in a moment that's hard to not be aware of, you know? I got fucking emergency alerts on like, it texted to me and emailed to me and it's a little alarming.

When does it warrant an emergency alert? Just when it's so hot, they're like drink water? Actually, people do die more easily in heat than in cold in L.A., unhoused people. I think, too, it's just like it's so unexpected. Like, people wouldn't be prepared for it. You don't hydrate enough and you can, like, get, I don't know, pass out sunstroke. Like, it's one thing to be like, it's August, you can imagine it's probably going to be hot, but to be like, no, no, no, it's 95 and it's March.

And it's also, it's 95, like, in where I am in Los Angeles. Like in the valley, it's probably, it's getting to like 100 degrees. It's really, ah! But like for me personally in my life, I think I've done absolutely nothing. I think I have basically not existed if you were to ask me to recall anything that I've been up to, which you just did. And the answer is, zilch. Zilch.

Ooh, that's a good existential update. Yeah, just one of those. The scary thing is Emily didn't exist. I don't exist. I didn't have. I didn't have a week. And yet time moved forward. Pretty weird.

Pretty weird. Too weird. Tammy, don't anything scary happen to you this week? Well, I have, I had mentioned before that I signed up for community emergency response training. That has begun. I've taken two weeks of training. It's led to a lot of nightmares about earthquakes. Oh, I bet.

You know what? There was a 2.3 earthquake in Connecticut this week. Oh, wow. Did you feel it? I didn't feel it, but everyone else did. That's pretty small. Yeah. Everyone else was talking about it.

I did not feel it. Part of me thinks all the other people who said they felt it were just fine, full of shit. But yeah, it's scary. Yeah. It is scary in L.A. There's always the thread of the big one. Mm-hmm. The looming thread.

So it's good to be prepared, but it's also like subconsciously making me more distressed, being like thinking about emergency preparedness more and like what you're preparing for and what that looks like. But it's good and I'm glad that I'm doing it. And one of the things that they told us to do is to download the citizen app. I'm sure everyone's familiar with the citizen app. But if you're not, it's like connected connected to like police scanners and shit. And it just tells you you put in your location and tells you everything that's happening in your area. That doesn't help with the fear mongering.

That doesn't help with the like. I know. This shit's always like. How much do you want to know? Yeah. And I feel like gives you a disproportionate view of the world around you. It's like, well, it's only bad out there. And there's always crime happening.

Right. And this is what causes people to be like, oh, he needs so many more police because look at all this crime. But it's what the police who are causing the crime. Sorry. Again, this isn't like funnier or anything. It's scary. That's what I brought it up for.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm just getting push notifications of like this. I'm going to read you a couple. Okay, great. Also, I feel like at the very least, you could probably, can you turn off the push You can, but that kind of defeats the purpose of having the app because I think... God, how often are you getting notified? Oh, just at the moment anything happens.

But like, how many times is that happening to you in a day? 10? That's too much. Okay, but read me some things. But I think the point is that if something happens that I can be of use of, that I will be alerted to needing to be there. Again, I still feel like you should be able to check when you feel ready. You should then check the app and see what's going on.

I will respond to emergency when I'm good and ready. You don't want me there at my worst, obviously. This is why I am not doing the emergency preparedness training because I don't think I would be. And it is kind of contradictory because they did say that most of the time cert volunteers like get in the way. The biggest problem is like inserting yourself where you don't belong, where you're not actually like a first responder.

You don't necessarily. You shouldn't like be getting in places. Just showing up places. As soon as an app, there was something going on. I should be here. I've taken two training sessions. I made a vow.

So, yeah, I guess me having this app is probably counterproductive. But some of the things that I get notified about are fatal fiery rollover crash, six cars doing donuts in Eagle Rock Plaza parking lot. Cool. Sounds fun. You just show up to do it. Make it seven. Make it seven.

Yeah, like, let me. jump in there. Group of people chasing man near church. Oh my God. What? Wait, the lack of detail is actually astonishing. Why are they chasing a man? Like, it sounds like the man should be chased if he's being chased. Sorry. There's just some real group of people correctly chasing man near church. Group of people chasing man who ought to be chased. I live right next to a target and so I also get a lot of like person shoplifting at Target, shoplifting at Target, shoplifting at Target. Good, doing their civic duty. Fuck Target.

Go in there and shoplift from them. But yeah, there's some weird ones in here. Person choking. Oh, God. Well, that's really an emergency. Someone needs to get to them, like, within the next couple minutes. Yeah, we. They need help within 90 seconds from the-

Right. Like, who took the time? What the fuck about me? To post that, like, go help the person choking. I'm sure this app is helpful for some things. But a lot of it feels, yeah, like fear mongering. So these are real things that are happening. It's just a citizen.

It's an ordinary person who has the app who's witnessing something happened. I'm not sure. I think sometimes it's like heard. If that is what it is, it's really wild to think about someone being like, oh, God, look right there. Person chokes. It's like, well, there's a guy being chased by a group of people. It's just like, what?

What? I think some of it comes from police scanners. Like, they're reporting what is called in to 911, basically. That makes a lot more sense. Okay. But again, calling 911 for someone choking, like, I guess. People do. They do.

But I hope someone is taking more immediate action as well. Someone at a restaurant is choking. People rush to help this person so that they're no longer choking. And someone else is picking up a phone to call 911, you know, just. For additional medical assistance post hopefully like performing that being the heimlich. I think my question is that how does that information then get translated to anyone else besides the 911? You know what I mean? It's a fucking weird app.

Then there's also a comment section. So it gets like next door vibes where people are like. commenting on the crimes. Offering their opinions. Fucking bizarre, man. Oh my God, wait. Did you guys, there was something, I'm so sorry. This really made me spiral.

But we are talking about that I think it's going to happen. But did you see, you know, all the gambling apps? There was like gambling on like which cities are going to be bombed. Gambling on like the war in Iran. Gambling on. Most dystopian shit. Like that's really. tough. That like made me

want to crawl out of my skin. It was like it's over. You know who owns the fucking gambling apps too? It's like Jared Kushner and Donald Trump Jr. like own the gamble. It's like the people in power own the gambling. And so the people who have the power to like determine. To bomb people.

Right. Yeah. Yes. Like it's the most corrupt crazy shit in the entire world. No, we can't. We can't pull the Band-Aid back on this, you guys. If we do Guys, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry.

I brought it up. I'm sorry. Everything is so bad in a way that is unfathomable to process. Hear you, hear you. Things are bad. Hey, everyone. All those who enter. Anybody listen to me?

Yeah, so kind of pretty scary actually. Oh no. But hopefully my emergency response right now will be able to fix everything pretty soon. I think is what they guarantee by the end of the seven-week course. Sammy, I keep imagining you either like being like naked gun style, like getting involved and shit or like inspector gadget, like having like a trench coat like filled with so many different things. Like what do you?

God. Like as a normal person, like what can you even do? You know, what do you do? Well, I'll learn CPR. She'll learn. And basic first aid. I'll really good to know. Hopefully be able to help that choking person if I'm on site.

Yep. huge. Yeah, I feel like basic first aid stuff is really important. And I think probably what it will also do is it will give you, it will help you to have, which I already think that you would, because I just, this is like, who you are. But I think it's important to maintain a level of calm and to control in an emergency scenario. I think that that is like, probably a very

important part of any sort of disaster training. It's just to like help you keep your head. Yeah. Yeah. And I think a lot of it is for something like the big one where all first responders will be like completely underwater, like just like there's no way they'll be able to help everybody. And so it's about it's really about being able to like help your neighbors if there is like a citywide emergency and knowing how to do basic things like turning off your gas and water and electricity. if there's like a big enough earthquake, like the water supply is going to go, go bad. And like electrical lines can be dangerous and gas leaks can be dangerous. So it's like you need to know how to turn off those things and you do it in your house first,

like put your mask on first type of thing and then go to your neighbors and help them as well. So it's good. I'm very glad I'm doing it. But it's also opening up a lot of really scary thoughts and places and apps. that wasn't anticipating. We've talked about the fear responses being fight, flight, or freeze. I'm in this moment sitting here with my friends, totally safe and comfortable. Nothing's happening.

I'm freezing. I'm shutting down. I'm like, I feel myself being like, well, if there's an emergency, I'm just going to sit right here. And I'll just sit right here. And I won't like. You don't really know until it happens. Like even if I'm trained, if I like have the knowledge, it's like, I don't know how I'm going to be if something really fucking crazy actually happens. I just hope it doesn't.

I hope it doesn't. I just really hope it doesn't. Yeah, I really hope it doesn't. I'm reading an apocalypse book right now on recommendation from a friend, so we'll see if I'm going to be really mad at him. But it starts with like, yeah, a big apocalypse like scenario happens and it's like how people are reacting. And I was, I was really thinking about it the other day and I was like, I would be one of the people, the thing they have like 30 days to like get elsewhere or or who knows what will happen. And I think I'd be one of those people would be like, well, I guess I have 30 days of fun. I guess I just hang out here for 30 30 days and I have some fun and I like have a good time with Joel and my cats and we like, eat a lot of pasta and then bye bye. Like I was like, I actually think that's what I would do. I think

I'd be like I'm going to spend what could be what will probably be my last 30 days no matter what. Like truly honestly, struggling, freaking out, fighting to get like out like out of at sea or fucking what. I'm like, no, I think I just like hang out here for 30 days. And I like go out like Last of Us style that episode with Nick Offerman. And I'm just like, bye. Yeah. We'll stock up on some supplies so that you can hole up. But like that, but see, but now we're getting into like a scary prepper thing too where it's like, well, I also don't want to be doing that. I hate how often we end up here. Oh, yeah. Let's move on. Let's move on. Let's move on. Because we really do have an exciting episode today.

We do. Because today we are talking about undertone, the new A-24 movie, written and directed by Ian Twosson, starring Nina Kiri, Adam DeMarco, and Michelle Duquette. It is in theaters now. And we got to talk to the director and actors, Ian Tuasen, Nina Kiri, and Adam DeMarco. So that freaking Q&A is at the end of this episode. So hope you didn't turn it off just. Just now. There's good stuff coming.

And yeah, we just had a great time talking to them. We, you know, peaked behind the curtain, recorded this out of order. So we already have the knowledge that it's a good interview and you're going to love it. It's a good interview. It's a good episode. It's a good movie. Spoiler alert. We had a lot of fun.

It was a real treat. Yeah, it was. But I will give us the stats. Undertone has a 76% on Rotten Tomatoes, a 66 on Metacritic, and a 6.4 on IMDB, which I'm not surprised by because I think when movies claim to be like the scariest movie you'll ever see, it tends to have like people love to be like, not all. A reverse effect in reviews because, yeah, people are like, barely was scary at all. I wasn't fucking scared. I'm actually so brave. It didn't even bother me.

This happened to long legs as well, which I also loved. I loved this movie. Spoiler. So, yeah, I'm not surprised that not like stellar, not bad reviews, but media reviews. Medium. Medium good. The budget was 500,000. So far, it has made 9.3 million.

Okay. A pretty good return. Yeah. And the trivia that I have for us is that this is Ian Twosson's directorial debut and that it was filmed in his parents' actual home. Scary. Yeah. More on that later. We talked to him about it.

That's all the trivia I have. We learned a lot from speaking with them. So there's trivia at the end. Trivia at the end as well. So let's watch this trailer. Oh, yeah. Let's do it. He-he-h-h-ha-ha.

Okay. Welcome to the Undertone podcast, where we talk about all things creepy. I'm your in-house skeptic, Evie Babbage, and I'm joined by my believer co-host, Justin Manuel. You're going to love this. I got something juicy. Ooh, do tell. Ten mysterious audio recordings from an anonymous email.

Let's keep an open mind, Evie. Let me guess. It's a demonic possession. Okay, easy, easy. All right. We've heard weird stuff before, but this feels different. You believe that? I'd like to speak with Mary.

Take a listen. Oh, I'd just speak with Mary. What if it's a warning? There's only one way to find out. We should stop listening. I'm trying to. What were you thinking? You shouldn't have listened to all of them.

It's what she wants. That was too close to home. Oh, God. Too close to home. Never host a horror podcast alone. You always must do it amongst friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, she is doing it with a friend, but. Yeah, it's daytime or there's someone else in your house or you can see them. Like, excuse me. I was going to say, I have recorded. I was a guest on a podcast where there's no video. And even that in itself is like, I don't remember who it was and I'm going to call them out and just say you're freaks. It's really unsettling having like a full hour long plus conversation with people you can't see. And I understand that's fun. Look, we get it. We've talked on phones. To be clear, Sammy, you don't like a phone call in general.

But I don't like a phone call either. But to me, a phone call is in motion. It's insane to sit still on a phone call in the dark. Makes me think of my mom. My mom at home on the phone. day long. She's just on the phone talking all her friends. That's really nice for her, but it can't, it wouldn't be me. This looks really spooky.

It was really spooky. I got scared. Oh my God. I'm getting scared. And Sammy, you never get scared. It takes a lot to make you scared. And this movie knew all the things to make me scared. It's like specifically the things, and not necessarily demonic aspect of it, although I mean,

I do get scared of demons, obviously, but more in the filmmaking, like the filmmaking at play is all the stuff that scares me. They're just like, oh, you know what's scary

when there's like an empty doorway in the background that's more in frame than the person you're supposed to be looking at. Yeah, yeah, you're like,

why, why, why, why, why, why we see that door? Why, why, why, why? Am I noticing the door? There should be there. She should be noticing it. If I'm noticing it, just make wrong.

Yeah. I'm like sweating already. I'm like scared. Okay. Well, shall we? Let's do it. Let's do it. I love to online shop, but a lot of times there's like passwords I don't remember.

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and a lot of the scares are audio-based and longtime listeners of the pod will know that my go-to afraid thing is plugging my ears. Right. So undoubtedly there is much that I have missed and this does seem like a horror movie that would be really great to have multiple viewings of and I've only had the one and I plugged my ears for a good amount. So, and you can't get mad at her. You can't get mad at her because, first of all, you could never get mad at her.

But second of all, the movie's not out yet. And Sammy went to a freaking special screening so she didn't even have a chance to see it again. And nobody's written anything about it because it's not out yet. I really tried to scour the internet. I'm like leaked, leaked script. There's nothing out there. And there was nothing. So this is the burden of our profession.

This is all straight from memory. And the other part of it. is this movie all just takes place in like one house. Right. So you can't like distinguish between locations. So there's not like a lot to break up the action of the movie. So that said, there's a good amount that I remember. That's pretty sad.

I mean. Bye. Okay. So we begin. The screen is black. And we're hearing a woman singing Baba Black Sheep. Uh-oh. Oh, no.

Oh. Children's song right at the game. They love to weaponize children's lullabies. Which apparently are actually like all pretty horrifying. Upsetting. Yeah, they're all like ring around the rosy is about the plague or whatever.

I don't know. Which is fun to like incorporate that into a horror movie because you know, weird that we're singing that to little kids. Okay. So the visuals come up. We see Evie. This is our main character played by Nina Kuri. she is caring for her dying mother.

Her mother is comatose or catatonic in bed, and she is trying to feed her. Her mother's not eating. We're seeing around the house there is a lot of religious iconography here. We've got... Yikes. We've got Jesuses. We've got marys.

We've got statues. We've got paintings. Just everywhere you look. Okay. Every variety. Mm-hmm. Evie goes downstairs after an unsuccessful trying to get her mother to eat anything. She's boiling water for tea. We're getting some jump scares in the audio.

Already I'm freaked out just because the audio does do a good job immediately being a little different than, because a lot of times an audio mix is done to like have it feel natural. And this is already playing with it in ways to, like, scare you when things are... Like, when it's like, when it sounds like it's coming, like, from the back your head. Yep. Changing what direction it's coming from. Where it's just, like, unsettling. It's, like, not right. Feel like you're, yeah, like in the house with her.

It's coming from all over. I also saw it in the, in the Dolby cinema, and they're really going hard on trying to... They're going hard on, like, promoting it as like see it in Dolby because that's the like very audio focused theater I've also seen a lot of people

saying watch it in headphones which I don't think you can do yet I certainly couldn't but it's also weird it's like no see it in a theater it's a movie but I remember people saying that was Skinnamorink too that like the scariest way to see it would be like

alone in your room wearing headphones that's the scariest way to see literally anything That's a scariest way to see, like, fucking friends. Like, it's like, if I'm, like, alone with the screen and headphones, that's fucking terrifying. It's true. So, she's downstairs now, and in the dining room, we see her little podcast set up. We know it. So, so relatable.

We look at the clock. It is approaching 3 a.m. She's getting all her little. Thanks, ready. Turn the mic on. She podcasts at 3 a.m.? Yes, yes, she does. Just like all of us.

That is how we do it. Obviously, it's 3 a.m. right now. There's no other way to do it. She puts her headphones on and the audio, again, does a cool thing with their noise canceling headphones. So it, like, transitions to being, like, really unnaturally quiet. There's no, like, room tone anymore. And she calls up her co-host, Justin.

We are just hearing his voice. First, you know, we're all familiar, but for the listeners who are not familiar, usually when you call up your podcast co-hosts, there's a little bit of small talk that happens before you jump into recording. Of course, we're not monsters. And he asks her about her mom and how her mom's doing. She's, you know, she's the same. She's not eating. I'm not sleeping. Like, things are pretty bad.

And being a caretaker is the true horror of this time. Yeah, it's really, seems really, really, really, really hard. Really hard, really isolating, no support, no, like hard in every facet, like emotionally. Literally every facet. Physically. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

A thousand percent. Oh. Then Justin asks, why isn't Darren helping you? And E.V. He says you know how he is. There's some implication that whoever this Darren guy is sounds like kind of an asshole. Justin's asking her to come visit him in London. So here's a little bit of an explanation of why it's 3 a.m. there.

I don't actually know where she is, but somewhere in the States. Somewhere where it makes sense, Richby, 3 a.m. talking to London. I mean, I would presume West Coast because then it's 11 a.m. his time. Yeah. Nice. Good for him. Good for him. Not for her.

No, but I presume this was a kind of like, well, I'm not really doing anything. But yeah, you don't actually want to. I don't want to record at 3 a.m. And I did see some reviews of this movie being like, do they know how podcasting works? That made me laugh. But we do record at weird times, sometimes, but not this weird. Oh, that's weird. Not in the middle of the night.

We should try it one time. We can do it as like a stunt. I don't want to. The witching hour, uh-uh. So after they have chatted for a little bit, they're like, all right, well, let's get started. And they start recording. They are recording their intro. Welcome to the undertone podcast where we talk about all things creepy, blah, blah, blah.

This is a paranormal podcast. They talk about a couple of their most recent episodes. There was some video that sounds like kind of similar to the ring where people saw it. And then a few days later, they killed themselves and cut their ears off. Evey is saying, that was proven not true. That was proven not true. That was debunked. So Evey's the skeptic.

Justin is more of the believer. Okay. Molder and Scully vibes. And Justin tells Evey and the listeners that, he has received a strange email that they're going to look into. And the email has been sent from a email address that's just a bunch of random letters. And he tried to follow up. There's no, he can't find where it came from.

But it includes 10 audio files and some kind of random gibberish, including the word tenant, which we just watched tenant and was like, makes it a little less scary for me. because I'm like, oh, it must be something related to Christopher Nolan's movie tenant. Fine accomplishment. Unanimously loved. Yeah. The most clear, cohesive, coherent movie ever made.

Right. And he says that he took a little listen to the first file, and it sounds like it's a couple where the woman in the couple has been talking in her sleep. And so the husband is recording them as they sleep at night. to try to prove that his wife is sleep talking. He's like, I didn't listen any more of that. So because I thought it sounded creepy. So I thought we should listen to them together.

Eithy's like, all right, great. Let's do it. This sounds fun. What else could it be but fun? And she's protected by all the Jesuses around her. There's no way those could be bad. Those are just good Jesus up there. Religion is only good.

So they play Audio File 1, Night 1. And this one, it starts with the couple's name are Mike and Jessa. Starts with some light banter. He's recording before bed. She's kind of giggling. Like, I'm not going to be able to sleep with you recording me. You know, this is a pretty benign recording. And I think all we hear in the sleeping is some snoring.

Maybe a little bit of muttering, but nothing to. crazy. Then we're playing audio file two. And they have apparently listened back to it. He's saying, like, see, I told you, I told you. She's like, that's barely anything at all. Like, it's nothing weird. He's like, okay, well, we'll record again. We'll see what happens tonight. And we're listening to the file. And it's, you know, very quiet because it's a recording of an empty room or a room with just two people breathing for the most part. So we're getting a lot of like turning it up to really to really be able to hear what's happening. And it gets that kind of crackle in the audio that for those of you who aren't podcasters or audio professionals, it's like means that it's up really loud.

And like makes me nervous because of course if something regular volume even happens when your volume is turned up really loud, that's got to be really loud. This happens to me a lot editing as well where I'll accidentally like raise the volume on something way too much. And then it's like, it's really scary. Not to say that anything, that doesn't happen in this audio recording, but you're just on edge for it all the time because you just never know when the loud noise is going to come. And I think that's the like the best part of this movie is it's not necessarily, there aren't. necessarily a lot of jump scares in it, but the whole thing is primed for, you're just waiting for one. It could be a jump scare anywhere. Do you like that, Sammy? Because you hate jump scares. I like it on a second viewing because I couldn't, again, for the first viewing,

my ears were plugged for a lot of the time. So, but I can, knowing, I was thinking while I was watching this, like, I needed the TSDW. I needed someone to tell me there's, like, not a lot of jump scares in here. So you can relax. So that. that I can relax a little bit. So you're welcome, guys. So in the second audio file, we do hear a little bit of whispering at some point. Justin seems to be like so good at hearing what is being said. And he's like, did you hear that?

I heard there's like a little kid's voice saying like, be like see here in the dark or whatever. I didn't hear that. Evie's not hearing it. He's saying what? I like it here in the dark. Oh, I like it here in the dark. Great. Great.

Just creepy stuff. And then we hear like some music. And it sounds like Mary had a little lamb being played backwards. And so they do. They pause it and they reverse it and they play it backwards. And it is indeed Mary had a little lamb backwards. They do some like real time Googling while they're podcasting and they're like, okay, what's the deal with Mary Haddle Little Lamb?

What could that be? Is there anything weird about Mary Had a Little Lamb? Like, what does this mean? And this is where we get their research into some children's songs. And they're looking up a few and they're finding all the actual, like, very upsetting lore behind a lot of the children's songs. And they're like, seems like a lot of these. nursery rhymes are actually like warnings for children. Yeah, a thousand percent.

Of like the dangers of life and your parents and adults. And like, so pretty, pretty creepy. I think Evie mentions here that her mom used to always sing Baba Black Sheep to her. And they find out that that one is bad too. I didn't know that one's bad. I mean, I'm not positive that it is. I can't tell how much is them like.

Like, how much is real. Making it up for the movie. And we won't be doing real time Googling because we don't care. Exactly. I'm definitely going to look this up afterwards, though, because I am curious now. You do have children who presumably receive the nurse. I mean, we're singing these songs all day long. Yeah.

We're singing a lot of these songs. My favorite is one that goes, Dr. Foster went to Gloucester in a shower of rain, stepped in a puddle, went up to his middle. I was never, never got out again or was never seen again. Okay, yeah, that's fucked up. So, yeah, we can see that that one is also. May and I are singing that one all day long.

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Evey's always, Justin's always getting a little more creep like, whoa, pretty scary. And Evey's a little more like, shut up, like it's fine. They probably, you know, created these. These probably aren't like natural recordings. They've been edited. Sure, sure, sure. She's got a lot of excuses. It's fine.

It's not real. Then we're playing audio file number three. It's quiet. Justin does a thing where he can see in the waveforms where sound is happening. So he'll scroll through to where the action is. And we hear some thumping. And it sounds like somebody getting out of bed and walking out of the room. And then we hear Mike wake up and he's calling to Jessa.

And she is muttering to herself again. I think he like takes the thing, takes the mic and follows her into the other room. Okay, this is also so genius because it's this part of the movie is doing what sometimes listening to horror movies does. We're like, we're not seeing this, but I'm picturing it. Yeah, you're thinking about it. And that's like such a smart way to get you to be scared of something that they like don't have to film for you. Right. Mm-hmm. It's actually really, it's like the new paranormal activity. Yeah, I'm like picturing like paranormal activity. Yeah. But I'm not seeing. We don't even need video. We just need audio. Which paranormal activity, Ian Twosson is directing the next one. Because they were. Wow. It's not even out yet. And they're doing another one. Yep. Mm-hmm. Damn. Okay. Okay. But it's true. And it's, it has the effect of, you know, when some things are filmed and you kind of.

tilt your head to try to see what's outside of the frame of what's being filmed. And you're like, the action's happening like what's going on over there. And you're trying to see it, even though obviously you can't. It has the same sort of thing where you're like listening. And you're like, wait, I'm trying to. I want to know what's going on over there. What's happening over there. I'm trying to listen a little harder, but also I'm scared that there's going to be a loud

noise. So it is. It's super effective. And Jessa is, again, muttering something that sounds like, like she's speaking backwards. It's like gibberishy, but also we know that things have been backwards in these recordings before. So we're playing it backwards.

And again, this is something that I'm not personally hearing. Evie's not hearing, but Justin is like she's saying kill them all. She's saying kill them all. And then we're hearing it seeming like there's footsteps or bumping. in the night happening in Evie's house. And again, she's got noise-canceling headphones on. So it seems like is it coming from the audio recording or is it actually in the house? Again, it's 3 a.m.

It's dark and spooky in the house. Most of the lights are off even though, like, why? Just turn them all on, you know? Just turn them on. And you can tell that Evie is getting, like, genuinely pretty scared. and she says, I'm sorry, can we take a break? And Justin's like, is everything okay? Like, sure.

And she's like, actually, can we stop? Can we pick this up later? And he says, okay, I'm busy tomorrow, but the next day, we can pick up where we left off. So they stopped their recording for the night after 10 minutes, which this is another thing that was made fun of a little bit in the reviews. That was like podcasts aren't recorded like 10 minutes at a time at 3 in the morning. Well, this one is. This one is. And I think it's effective and scary.

Hey, you can podcast however you want a podcast, baby. There's no rules. And what's good is, you know, her co-host should listen and go, okay, I guess we're done. Though I'm feeling distrustful of him. Is that how you're feeling watching it? I wasn't. Okay. Okay.

I also was feeling distrustful too. Because I'm like, mostly just because, like, we can't. We don't know or we don't know this email. We don't know, you know. Yeah. Yeah. He like knows what's being said. I'm like, I don't know.

He's a man who I can't see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Fair. Call me crazy. But I love that. A man I can't see. Nothing scarier.

The only thing scary is a man I can. So after they stop recording, Evie goes upstairs to check on her mom. I think there's like, a light on in the room that she does she thought she turned off hate that hate that she goes to to turn it off again looking suspicious i thought i turned that i thought i turned that off but i guess i didn't she's not like fully i saw someone do a stand-up bit about this about how like they would never know they were being haunted because they have such severe ADHD but like if they like

left the room and came back in and all the cabinets were open they'd be like what Why the fuck did I open all the cabinets open? I will say Dungan leaves open all the cabinets all the time. So that's really strange of him. It's a really regular occurrence in my house. Yeah, it's pretty annoying. Dunkin, the cabinets. The beauty of living with someone finding out all of their random quirks. Well, I just being like, I didn't know there was, I didn't know that was a way you could do it. It's just leave them open. But also the beauty of living with someone is that, yeah, it's like a layer of protection against knowing that you've been haunted. Because you're just like, Well, Duncan must have done that. Not ghost. Duncan strikes again. Also just better to be haunted together than alone.

Always. Yes, true. So, Mom is just motionless in her bed. And Evie's looking around the room. And she sees a statue that is right next on the bedside table that looks like it's the Mother Mary with, like, babies or possibly little angels crawling. all over her. Ew.

And it's really creepy and Evie is very creeped out by it. Kind of turns it facing away. Uh-oh. And then leaves her mom and goes to her room and goes to bed. Next day, a nurse comes by the house to check on the mom, kind of check in with Evie. Or is there, do you need anything? and Evie

it's just saying like she's not eating like I don't know what to do and the nurse is kind of like yeah I mean I think that you know the end is probably coming

can't say exactly when but you should be prepared for that that that is probably happening soon and Evie asks like how will I know when it's happening

and she says her breathing will change. And Evie says, oh, the death rattle. We all know about the death rattle. The nurse says, you know, I don't like calling it that, but yeah, a lot of people call it that. So we know we're probably going to get a death rattle in this movie, which... Great. Hate to hear it.

Great. The nurse leaves. The nurse also, by the way, is never shown. Again, the, like, the room is framed where the nurse is outside of the, like, we're filming through the doorway on to Evie. and the nurse is like on the other side of the room. So she's not, we don't see her. So it's all these like pretty effective filming choices that add to a sense of like complete aloneness for for EV.

She gets phone call from Darren. He's like, hi babe. How are you? This is her, her shitty boyfriend. And he says something like, yeah, I feel like you haven't seen. seen you in a while. So I invited all your friends over and all my friends over for a party, like come over to a party tonight at our house. And she's like, I can't, what? Like, I can't leave my mom. Like my mom is dying. I need to be here for her. And he's like, come on. She'll be

fine. She's just laying there. Like, he's just like so unsympathetic and horrible. We hate this guy. He's like, don't be a party pooper. Like your mom's dying. Who cares? So do they, do they live together? Is that the implication? Yes, but she's at her mom's house. Obviously not, yeah, living there right now. She's not living at her house. She's staying at her mom's and he's trying to coax her and to come into a fun party at their house. And she's obviously like very annoyed by this.

But she's kind of like looking around the house and is a little bit like, it would be nice to not be here for a little bit. But you can tell she's conflicted about it because she doesn't want to leave her mom. Cut to later that night, she's dressed to go out. She's wearing outside clothes. I never wear those unless I'm going outside. Of course, we all know it. We all know. There is a difference between inside and outside clothes.

It's hard to describe, but you know it when you see it. You know when you see it. You know when you feel it. I have less and less of those. Most of my closer, inside clothes. It's inside day, closures inside night, clothes. Yes. We all know it. If I'm inside, I think I've said this before, but I don't want to be able to feel that I'm wearing pants. Like it's, they got to be, they got to be sweatpants. They got to be like. Elastic waste. Elastic waste, but the elastic also has to be soft. Soft, soft. Soft elastic, not tight elastic. Nothing tight. Yeah. Yeah. So she's wearing. outside clothes. She's on the phone with presumably Darren. They're arguing. She's like, I'm sorry,

I'm late. Like, I have had a lot to do here. He's like yelling at her for not being on time. She's like, I'm coming, like, relax. And she like peeks in to check on her mom before she goes. And there's poop all over the bed. Her mom has. Yeah, it's a huge mess. And just like a a very devastating scene. She's like, okay, I got to go and hangs up and has to clean up her mom. And then she leaves. And I think there's like lingering shots of the empty house. The camera never leaves the house.

So we just see her go. Oh, that's smart. And again, I don't know like. When all of these things happen. But just imagine a lot of like rotating cameras, paranormal activity style, where it's just like empty rooms and the camera slowly panning. Oh, I really don't like that. So you're just like on edge expecting something to be there. But nothing happens.

Next day, Evie comes home after her night out. The bedrooms are upstairs. So she's downstairs at the entryway, taking off her shoes, hanging up her coat or whatever. And she calls up to her mom, mama, I'm home. She says mama, which, you know, it's not my favorite. Kind of close to mommy. But she goes upstairs. And as soon as her, like, eyeline can see the room, she sees her mom's feet just on the ground.

Oh, my God. mom is just laying on the floor face down. She, of course, panics, runs, checks. She's saying like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. I'm sorry, mommy. I'm sorry, Mom. Mama. And her mom is okay, but, you know, she obviously feels horrible and very guilty for

leaving her alone. So she will not be leaving her alone again for the rest of the movie. She gets her back in bed. and turns and that creepy statue is turned back around facing her. And now its mouth is wide open in like a silent scream. No. No. No.

Okay. Then you have to get out of the house. No. Even if you're living outside, you can't be in there anymore. I got to say they did this well, though, because the first time she looked at it, I kind of like wasn't really paying attention. And so I, the second time seeing it was a little bit like, was it like that before? And I didn't notice, which I feel positive it wasn't. But somehow they did the first scene in enough of a throwaway way that I wasn't like completely clocking it.

It wasn't like in the haunting where they show the statues doing it in front of you. Statues go like. Oh. Yeah. So she gets up. she goes to closet in the room she puts it on a top shelf in the closet and the closet door has like a

floor length mirror on the front of it and as she closes it we see her mom standing in the corner of the room but as it just like as it passes her so as it goes to closed it's like the mirror is not facing that direction anymore so it's just like a brief moment

of her mom standing in the corner of That's so scary. Oh, my God. And then she doesn't, she doesn't see it. It's just for us. Closes the door, turns back to the bed. Mom's in bed. Peacefully.

Oh, no, no. Then Evie's kind of feeling something. We see her furrow, her brow. We don't know exactly what's happening. She runs to the bathroom and throws up. And then we see her making a phone call to, the family doctor. Doctor says, is your mom okay?

She says, actually, this is about me. I was wondering if I could book a pregnancy test. Just go to the drugstore and get one. I know. I was a little bit straight to like the in-office test. Interesting. Maybe she's already done that and we didn't see it. Maybe that happened outside of the house.

Oh, okay. Well, they're 99.9% accurate, so it was positive. Believe me, I'm taking pregnancy tests every like three weeks out of fear. I've accidentally gone pregnant again. But she's not given, you know, excited vibes about this, obviously. We're not feeling good about the possibility of a pregnancy. Darren doesn't seem like a good dad. Doesn't seem like dad material.

No, he doesn't seem great. So 3 a.m., podcasting time. We sit back down. Same check-ins with Justin. He asks again how mom is doing. She says, same. She's not eating. I'm not sleeping.

And he's like, all right, are you, do you feel okay enough to do this? Should we record? She does. Let's get back to it. Audio file four. We're hearing, you know, we're scrolling to the waveforms. So middle of the night, we're hearing a baby crying. Eby says, did they have a baby?

There's been no baby in any of this. And he says, I think she's pregnant, but I didn't think they had the baby yet. Emily's face. That's so much worse than like, no, they don't have a baby. Right. It's really bad. It's really bad. And again, we're hearing them like,

wake up, Mike and Jessa wake up and they're like, do you hear that? Do you hear that? I think Mike doesn't hear it. And I just also want to like asterisk that a lot of this is coming from my memory. So I might be making some of this up, but it's the, it's the vibe that Mike is like not hearing it. And Jessa is. And Jessa gets up and walks into what they kind of deduces the baby's room, going to be the baby's room. Mike is calling after her. And then Jessa starts. start screaming, she took my baby. She took my baby. Uh-oh. And Mike is kind of going, what are you talking? Like, what are you talking about? There's no baby yet. There's no baby yet. But Jessa is inconsolable that she took her baby.

Evie is like kind of extra disturbed by this one given her day that she had just had. Yeah. Kind of a big coincidence. Also, it's like a horrible thing to hear whether it's paranormal or not. Like whatever is happening with this woman hearing that would be really, really difficult. Yeah. And then we play audio file number five. And we hear again, Jessa, like, muttering in her sleep. And it sounds again like the talking backwards. And then it gets like really loud. Jessa is now going like, I'm a noep, inami, nope, enami noop, enami nope, enami nope, and Mike is like shaking her trying to wake her up. Really freaky and we see Evie like looking really scared, like listening

really hard and behind her a light in the kitchen turns on. No. She doesn't notice because she's so, like she's paying such close attention to this audio file. No, she's letting the demon in. She's letting the demon in. She's letting the demon in. And I think it turns off again. No. So she never notices. But again, we play this backwards to hear what she says. And it sounds like she's saying, come in Abuzo.

Come in Abuzo. Come in Abuzo. And they're saying this. And I'm a little scared saying it too because it does seem like this. Yeah, don't say it. This does seem like the Bloody Mary or Candyman moment where they're. opening the door a bit here. And Abizu sounds like a cousin of Pansu, who's from The Exorcist?

Pazuzu. Pazoozuzu and Pizzuzu. Who's hereditary? I don't remember. Paymon. Paymon. Yeah, let's all say them. Let's all say them all.

Say them all. This definitely feels like a demon name. You know, we know the vibe of a demon's name. It doesn't seem like a name of a modern name. person. No. And it's, you know, she's saying it backwards, so that's a bad sign. So that's bad. Again, we're hearing banging that feels like it's coming from Evie's actual house. I think she even says to Justin, like, do you hear that? Do you hear the banging? And he's like, what banging? So what, demon can't come to London? Maybe only she says it because she is the skeptic who's

like kind of pushing further than Justin is. Demons love that shit. Because he's like, he's like, I'm not, don't say that. I don't know if he, I don't know if he actually tells her not to say it. But I think, also it's daytime for him. So it's a lot less than. Yeah. So he's like barely spooked at all.

No, he is. But he's asking, Evie, what do you mean? What banging? You're hearing banging? What is the banging? And she just says, I have to go. And she's like, oh, we have to pick up back up later. and he's like trying to get her to stay

but she's like just hangs up around the house really scared peeks upstairs a light in mom's room is just flickering no no she goes up screws in the light bulb

it's fine turns it off mom is normal in bed and then she goes to sleep and has some sort of very scary nightmare where her mom is like, this is played as if it's happening, I think. Like her mom is like getting out of bed and like walking and standing in a corner,

facing the corner. Just creepy stuff. Just a bunch of creepy shit. And she wakes up and it was just a nightmare. Of course. Next day, pregnancy results come back. She's pregnant. No way.

Not for long. Yeah, the doctor is, you know, asking what she wants to do. She says, I think I need some time to think about my options. She says, don't worry, there's a demon in my house who's going to take care of it really fast. That kind of bigger fish to fry in this exact moment. It gets to be about 3 a.m. again. And we see her pull out a big bottle of whiskey and pour herself like an A-down. ounce glass and just start chugging some whiskey.

Okay, so we've maybe made our decision. Yeah. And she gets on the line with Justin. At what point are we going to be like, so I think maybe doing this 10 minutes at a time at 3 a.m. is not working for me. Or for the podcast. I'm just going to count and say if three recordings in a row, we get 10 minutes in and one if you goes, I have to go.

I feel like something's got to change. Like this isn't working. This isn't working. Also, I just, whew, I wasn't looking at the door, but Joel just entered to bring me coffee. Thank you so much. The door is where. And it scared me.

And it scared me. I mean, he's a man you can see. The scariest thing ever. But I didn't see the door start to open him. It scared me. I will say Henley's door scares me a lot. Yeah. Henley's door is right behind her in our video.

and a lot of times a child or Tim will come in unannounced and it's really scary. Also, the hinges are breaking and so it will just open. Yes, if you leave and you kind of like lightly close it before you go, it'll just very slowly open after you. If there's a window open anywhere in this house, this door will just like out of nowhere, just slowly start up. I'll be in bed reading and this door slowly opens. I'm a piece with it, though, because the ghost is. my house are nice and they're my friends. Yeah, no, that's nice. Not all ghosts are bad. Some are good. No, but demons are all bad. Demons are all bad, unfortunately. Unfortunately. Abuzu and Pizzu and

Stop. Paymon. So Justin is again checking in on Evie saying what happened last time in the time before that. Like, is everything okay? You don't sound so good. And he's like, I'm fine. I'm fine. Like, let's keep listening. She's kind of doing the thing that it reminds me a little bit of Henley where she's like if I can like get to the like I'll prove that it's not real But the only way is to like go completely through to the bottom to like Right and just being like I'm not scared because this stuff doesn't scare me Right so if I've said before that it doesn't scare me then I can't be scared now It's it's worked for me I don't are you saying that's not going to work every time

No it is going to work every time it's not real Yeah But it is a mindset that if it were real, might bite you in the ass. And also this is the most meta movie we've done so far. She's literally a podcaster doing this. It's true. And she's doing all the things that we do exactly. At 3 a.m.

So Justin says something like, you're not drinking again, are you? And she's like, no, of course not. No, of course not. I am pregnant. So, uh-oh. So don't you feel bad? She's like, let's just start recording. Let's just get, let's get this over with. And they start recording. Justin says, okay, I've done some research into Abzu. I've found some info. Abzu is a demon. Maybe you can believe it. Yeah, steals babies. Steals babies, well, kills babies and causes miscarriage. This is a lady demon who was infertile and is driven by.

Hey, Stee, look at me, just assuming it was a male demon. Women can be demons too. That's right. Thank you. Thank you for the clarification. And Abizu's own infertility drives her to take children away from, yes. So they're like, okay, let's... It's a sad demon.

It is. It's sad. It's very sad. But we've got five files left. So we're going through six, seven, and eight. Evie's really pressing ahead. We got to keep listening. We got to keep listening.

We're hearing more come in abuzzos, hearing more banging. There's some really loud banging. Now Justin is hearing the banging in the files, too. It almost sounds like pipes being like hit. A lot of loud, scary noises. I think this is one of the scariest shots in the movie, probably the scariest shot in the movie for me is as she's at her dining table, like engrossed in the audio, not paying attention to anything that's happening in the room around her.

It's just framed in a way that at first she's just like on the right side of the frame and we see the empty like entryway into like the hallway that is where the stairs to upstairs are is just like center frame behind her. And there's it's mostly dark. But there's like something white at the bottom of the doorway slash entryway, but it's blurred and like really just like shadowy. So you can't tell what it is. And her mom is wearing a white nightgown. And so you just are, I at least, and I think this was the intention is like you're staring at it, trying to like make sense of it of like, is that something?

Is that not something? And the shot is just a locked off shot that's just slowly zooming into that. And it scared me so bad. And nothing never happens with it. We don't, is it her mom? Is it just like a sweater on the floor? We don't know. But it's just like, I think that's what this movie does so well is it's like the kind of way that your brain is searching for things to be.

It's crazy that it's like, this is what works. We know that this is what works. And so many people try to do it and just like can't quite like obviously it's not easy. It's it's simple not easy. I don't know why I feel like that phrase like comes up a lot in my life which I'm like all right. But it's just wild to see it like work where you're like right this is how you fucking do it. And it's just like why is it so difficult? Because if it weren't everybody would do it because this is what works. Yeah. It really does work. I'm impressed. Really scared me. It scared me. And somewhere in the audio files, one of them says, is that Justin? And Justin is like, did they just say my name? Oh, my God. And Evie's kind of, again, like, it's probably a coincidence. They probably know a Justin. And he's like, what the fuck is going on? Why did they say that? Why did they just say Justin? I mean, yeah. And this time I think he's like, we got to stop. Okay, great.

Yeah, I'd be like, I'm not that committed to this podcast. Exactly. And also, can't you just do another one? Like, or don't you have something else you could cover? There's the other creepy stuff, probably. Yeah, let's cover something else like this. But let's cover it else. Yeah, I don't know if we should listen to all 10 of these.

They've listened to 8 now. Still too many. And Justin is, I think, saying, like, I don't think we should, I don't think we should listen all 10 of these. And Evie, again, is the one being like, we have to, like, will prove that it's nothing if we can listen to all of them. It's also, I mean, I don't know if this is implied in the movie, but I feel like with these things, there's also, I always, like, imagine there is some sort of presence in these things that's like. Calling for, you know, yeah, you like can't stop once you started. Yes, yes, exactly.

Can't be so easy to walk away. Yeah. So Justin reluctantly agrees. that they will finish but For some reason As I said that I got I replayed I saw Jacob Black saying

But he's got his hooks in you So good Always on the mind Always always right there And do you know exactly the scene that I'm talking about No I don't actually Which is sorry

But he's got his hooks And he's so good Which is bad Because I'm so team Jacob I should know every line, every scene and every... I think it's when he finds out she's getting married. And he's like,

it'd be better if you were dead than married to him. And she goes, I can't be said that. She said that. Can we actually stop this and do... Twilight, I guess, again. Let's redo it. Yes.

But this is something I can relate to and you guys probably relate to. They kind of come together and like, well, for the pod. We'll do it for the pod. It's important for our listeners to finish this out. We do, we do just that. We do just that. It's, it's a deeply selfless profession. Exactly. We get nothing out of this. So, but their release dates coming out. And so Justin says,

okay, I'll put these together. We'll release the first eight audio files as an episode that can come out Friday. Then we'll record the final two episodes. And listeners can call in for that. So we'll record a little outro for this one. It's a great strategy. Asking for listeners' input. So they record their outro. I say, what is the, Mike and Jessa, you know, they make it all dramatic and creepy. Mike and Jessa, what will the last two files be? We need your help, listeners. If you know anything about, if you know Mike and Jessa, if you know anything about ABAZU, call in for the finale as we finish these 10 files. And then their little sign-off line, which I really liked, Don't be afraid of the dark.

Be afraid of the silence. Spooky. Eby's, you know, going about her really upsetting daily activities of, like, bathing her mom and just being alone in this house of, like, grief. And now a demon, presumably is also, yeah, also. in there with them. That is kind of where they like to come in. Yeah. Yeah. The negative emotions. And that's why it's important to seek joy. There you go. There you go. There you go. Otherwise, the demons will get in. Exactly. And I'm not saying it's your fault. I'm just saying

it's important to find joy and to not deny yourself pleasure because although you go too much, some are the demons like that. So, fine line, fine. It's all about balance. Healthy, healthy, you know. You get it. She is upstairs in the mom's room when that death rattle starts. Oh. We're hearing the breathing change. There's obviously also a lot of her mom's breathing, like, in the audio of this whole movie.

It just kind of comes in and out. And now we're getting the death rattle. I see Evie realize what this means. And Evie goes... I think she's like at some point telling her mom like, mom, I'm going to have a baby. I'm going to name her Mary. Oh, honey. And then she hears something coming from that closet that she hid the creepy statue in.

And she's kind of nervously approaching the closet. And again, we see in the mirror reflection. Evie cannot see it. But her mom just rises to seating and like slowly turns. her head to look at Evie. Evie opens the closet so we can't see the reflection anymore. Nothing's in the closet. The statue's where she left it.

She turns back around. Mom is where she always is. Nothing at a miss. I mean, you gotta be real. It's hard to find joy in these moments. Yeah, I do not blame Evie for this. This is really tough. Is she going to put her mom in the car and like take her to six flags?

I got like Disneyland Like what do you do in this situation I don't think that would bring her more joy I really don't know we're going on a roller coaster I don't think that'd be that fun Evie also somewhere around here We've noticed has started just like Making charcoal drawings of just like thick black lines

She seems to be doing it like unconsciously Do we need to create art with charcoal You know Could we just, could we all just be like, yeah, other mediums are good? So many other options. None of us need to keep charcoal in our homes. You guys, I'm not going to lie. I've got some charcoal here. Get it out. Charcoal drawings are really?

I'm going to throw it out next time I come to your house. I'm going to bust in and go, where is it? Probably for the best. Raid all your pantries and I'm going to throw it out. And then I'm probably going to get haunted. I guess I would take charcoal. I'll take charcoal over like a little stick figuring, though. Well, she's hanging. Is she doing that too? Just doing that too.

She's certainly drawing a lot of straight lines. No, but I mean like putting sticks together and then hanging them up in your house. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's worse. Well, is it worse? Both are bad. Both are bad. So, nighttime finale.

We've got just two files left, nine and ten. Look, go wrong. We're playing audio file nine. Things are getting crazy. Again, I don't really remember exactly what is in each of the 10 audio files, but we're ramping up. We're getting abuzzis. We're getting babies crying.

We're getting pipes banging. They're really sounded bad. And somewhere in this file, I think we hear Jessa. It like gets quiet for a second. Evie leans in. And Jessa says, she's listening. Oh. No.

No. No, no, no, no, no, no. Mike is saying, who's listening, Jessa, who's listening? And Jessa is saying, I have to warn her. I have to warn her. And then the file just, like, cuts off. Evie's like, what happened? Why did it stop?

And Justin's like, that one just stopped. I can, like, see in the audio file that it continues. on, but the file's corrupt. That's all that's going to play back. Oh, no. So we're taking a couple calls before we get to file 10. And again, these seem to be live calls from listeners. Are they all British?

They're not. They're not British. These are American calls. Yeah. Pretty confusing. Someone calls and says, Mike and Jessa, we're my neighbors. I recognize their voices, and they, if you can believe it, both died. So sad about what happened to them.

She was pregnant. And no one had heard from them for a few days. So they, police went into the house and found both of them dead with drawings of like a girl and a dead baby all over the walls of the house. Sure. she's like, that sounds familiar for some reason. Someone else has been doing that. She's also like drawing like violently while doing this recording. She's just scribbling, scribbling, scribbling, scribbling. And she's listening intently while she's like scribbling, scribbling, scribbling. No. Okay. So also I guess the assumption here in this world, too, is like this is a very

successful podcast. They're very famous. I think so. Yeah. Okay. I buy it. Enough to have the chances of a listener who would know. at 3 a.m. Yeah, yeah. Mike and Jessa. Which, like, again, it is possible. Not to brag, but I'm about to. Which is that when I talked about Penny, O'Brien, O'Gretta, I'm going to talk about her again.

Here I go. One of her friends, hello, if it's you, you're so lucky to have such a cool friend, told her. And I was like, oh, my God, that's crazy. Yeah. So it's kind of exactly like that. Wow. So it's pretty crazy. So.

And that's where the similarities end. And other than that, everything is different. Everything else is different. Except for our massive fame. So we get a second caller that says something about. I know I recognize Abizu. I had like a friend's relative had like. I recognize Abizzo.

I've like heard that. four and it took me a second to realize, but I remember that there's like some like friend of a friend or like person that I knew of that had a psychotic break after giving birth where she talked a lot about Abizu and then she killed her baby by putting it in a sack and banging against a pole like the pipings in her house. Oh, you didn't more than that. at all. You just gave in

so about that. Oh my God. No. Sorry. No. Sorry. Sorry.

You know, she delivers it like you deliver like any other news about anything. It's also so wild to be like, oh yeah,

I knew a friend for friend. Let me tell you the most horrific story of our people I don't really know but let me just tell it. Psychotic break, murder for baby. Like it's like,

This is not kind of a story to tell. Yeah. And it's also like that would, yeah. Oh, God. Reaching for it. What did I hear? Where did I hear? Oh, the worst thing I've ever heard.

Right. I forgot. It's the worst thing I've ever heard. The kind of thing you never forget. That's the thing that I forgot. I kind of went to the back of my mind until you brought it up. Yep. I think this is Pizzuzoo calling in.

It's Pizzu calling in about their cousin. Abuzoo. We are certainly getting like. A lot of... We're really questioning reality at this point because there's a lot of playing with like, what's happening in the house, what's happening. And we can't see anything. And so it's like, is this just EV hallucinating these things?

I don't know. Have you guys ever auditory hallucinated? It's really scary. You think you hear something that didn't happen? What's that thing where you like hear a bang that wasn't there? Ooh, exploding head syndrome. I used to get that a lot. I have had that. And that is really fucking weird. Yeah. Just like when you're falling asleep, I feel like that happens. That's happened to me, but not, I feel like I wouldn't know. Would you know? How would you know? I don't know.

I feel like the way I've known about the exploding head thing is if you're with people. And they're like, did you hear that? And they're like, literally nothing happened. I've known from like my cats being in bed with me and them like still being completely asleep. Because I'm like, well, that was the loudest noise I've ever heard. And they would have definitely been awake. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Another reason why it's important to have cats around.

Mm-hmm. Right. But I've had auditory hallucinations just from like various medications, I think. I feel like when I started ADHD medications. Oh, you know, no, it wasn't ADHD. It was, I was on muscle relaxers at one point for TMJ. Oh. And I was, this was a long time ago.

I was working at a trailer place. all the scariest things in your life happened to you and you were working at this trailer place. I think this trailer place was fucking haunted. Well, it was. They all said that. They were all like that's haunted. Because it's like every time you're like,

oh right, that's scary thing that happened to me was when I was fucking working here. But I would have moments where I would like hear something behind me and I'd turn around and there'd be nothing there. And then I would like say, did you guys just hear that? And be like, no.

Like these things have happened to me before. I really hate it. So, Justin, of course, is like freaking out like, okay, we can't listen to number 10. We can't listen to number 10. Evie's scribbling, scribbling, scribbling. She's like, yes, we can't. We have to listen to number 10.

We have to. I'm normal and we have to. And so we play. Another reason why it's really important to be able to see the people you're podcasting with. Because if one of you was fucking furiously drawing something out of frame, I'd be like, well, we have to stop. I need to have someone come check.

on you. Yeah. Yeah. So they play number 10 and the kind of chaotic, I feel like it had been like pretty chaotic and she's scribbling and there's like lights kind of flashing a little bit. Like and then we play audio file number 10. It gets like completely silent and still. And then you just hear like a little giggling. Laugh, laugh, laugh. And then. And the audio file is now speaking directly to Evie. It says, you shouldn't have listened to all 10. What were you thinking, movie?

You let her in. Like, that's what she wanted. And Evie is having, like, moments of lucidity where her eyes are wide. She's like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. Like, realizing something really bad is happening. She turns and looks at what she has been scribbling. Of course, she's been scribbling on, like, a bunch of separate sheets. of paper and kind of just tossing them on the table after she's done scribbling.

Normal style. Normal style. How we all draw. And now, of course, turns and looks at them and they have arranged in a way that shows a drawing of a woman holding a dead baby in a bag. Mm-hmm. Good God. And the house now shudders. Justin says like Evie and then gets cut off No more Justin. She's like saying, Justin, Justin, Justin, he's not there. The computer goes dead. Lights are all like flashing.

Electricity is going crazy. She takes off her headphones now. So we're hearing in the actual house for sure. And there's the banging. We're hearing the whispering and laughing. And this is all like done in a continuous take as she like gets up. She goes into the kitchen. All the cabinets are open.

the like food and dishes. Duncan was there. Duncan was there. Everything's everywhere. She's like spinning. It's really chaotic. Again, my ears are plugged, plug, plugged. I'm sure there's a lot of stuff happening here that I missed. She goes through the hallway to the bottom of the stairs and we're seeing that same drawing just all over the walls. Goes up into the mom's room. turns, looks at the bed, and her face is just like, cut to black, and we just hear, Come in a bazoo, come in abuzzoo, coming up a zoo, come in abuzzoo, coming out of a zoo. Oh, stop saying it!

That's her saying it. It's her voice saying it. It's like demonic at this point. It's like mixed, it's like sounds like a woman's voice, but also like a deep, dark demon voice. And it's Evie who made that face, not the mom making that face. Yeah. If I recall correctly

Sure sure sure Don't hold me to it And that's the end of the movie Whoa Oh that's so scary Whoa It's so scary Because we have to stop podcasting now

We don't have a choice It's too dangerous No I'll never stop I'll never stop Yeah we can only continue We can only press further Further to prove That podcasting is safe for everybody

This isn't about us This isn't about us Henley How do you take out an insurance policy on if you get sucked into portals of hell? I mean, I think just life insurance. They cover that? If you're gone. Oh, my God. So scary.

I didn't like, I am absolutely electrified. Because I feel like it's been a while since we had a new horror movie that... Those things are a little different. Yeah. And was like effective. on this level. Yeah. I'm like,

this makes me like really fucking pumped. It also was probably like, I'm so curious, which good news, but I'm so curious to know about like the filming. Like, like this is basically one location. It's so clever.

Like it really does feel like it's getting back to like the paranormal activity, like the things that just like worked and were like so smart. And it does feel like like a like a hodgepodge collection of like things that are scary, but it doesn't feel like, random, like they fit together in a way that I think even though it's not like necessarily connecting dots and giving you clear answers about things, it just feels, it all gels in a way

that feels naturally scary. That was really cool without being like, why is this in here? And why is that in here? Even though there's obviously like no clear answers, I don't feel like I left it with like tons of questions about like, and why this and why this? Like I feel satisfied. show you so much that it became not scary. Right. Yeah. I'm like really curious. Like, yeah, I'm curious what like the script is so smart.

Obviously the filmmaking is so important. Yeah. It's just I'm like, congrats. Yeah. Congrats to these guys. I'm excited to see it again. Because I think there was a lot that I missed with my ears being plugged.

People are going to fucking love this movie. Yeah. I think so. That's really exciting. And again, 90 minutes short and sweet. I wonder if it'll become another another franchise. Hell yeah.

Mm-hmm. This is the next like paranormal activity franchise. We're just going to get a bunch of fucking scary sound movies. Oh, no, stop. I don't want more podcast horror movies. Yeah. I don't want to hear about, I don't want to hear about podcast horror movies on my horror podcast.

It is so funny how like I also have watched an episodes of a sum all. Why did I? I've watched the show Only Mirrors in the building. I've watched some of myself. And it is so funny how often I'm like, well, that's just simply not how podcasting works. I mean, it's like, well, who cares to making a TV show? But it's like, they'll just like pick up their phones and be like, talk or they're like all stand around one mic in like a loud room. And I'm like, this doesn't make any sense. You can't do it this way.

Anyway. So we're going to have to deal with that. We're going to have to confront that as podcasts enter the mainstream media more and more. But yeah. Well, this movie was originally. written as a podcast, like a scripted podcast. This would be so scary as a podcast. It feels very like Blair Witchy. Like, of course there's going to be, oh my God, what's it going to be? Like the Blair Witch podcast version. Like,

there's going to be something that they're like acting like it's real. Should we do it? Nobody else can do it. I come up with it. No, but I don't want to do it because that's how you get haunted. But it's a really good idea. It probably exists. It's a lot. It's a lot of podcasts out there. and that sounds really scary and good for you if you did that. Good for you and I won't be listening and congrats to you. I like horror movies. I don't even read horror books. I don't play or games.

It's scarier to be scared alone. Like it's scared in your own mind. Like a book is so solitary. Like I've stopped reading books before because they started getting like a little too scary. And I'm like, I'm not looking for that. I'm here alone with my own brain. Yeah. Not here with my friends who I can see, which is very important.

It's day. And I can see you. I have the rest of the day to forget about this movie before I go to bed tonight. Yeah. We do sometimes record at night. But at a normal nighttime. Out of my brain. Not at 3 a.m.

Not at 3 a.m. Oh, well, tons. Sammy, very impressive. She did perfectly. If anybody says otherwise, no, you didn't. Shut your mouth. It's certainly not going to be the most accurate recap we've ever done. But it's vibes, baby.

Its vibes are captured well. So there you go. It's all we need. It's all you're welcome. Yeah. And we thank you. Thank you. And now a freaking special treat.

Here is our interview with the director and actors from this movie, Ian Twasson, Nina Kiri, and Adam DeMarco. I guess a creepy giggle is a scary handoff now. It was a genuine giggle. But now it's a creepy transition. Here you go. Hi, guys. Hi. Thank you for speaking to us.

We are, first of all, congratulations on making like a very scary horror movie. I see a lot of horror movies. And I don't get super scared super often. So nicely done. Also, my like go-to thing in a scary movie when I'm scared, most people cover their eyes, right? Mine's always plugging my ears because I feel like that's where the scares are. So, yeah. Right?

Just makes sense. But, okay, before we get into Undertone, the first question we just wanted to ask is, can each of you tell us your relationship with horror movies in general? Like going back to the beginning, if you liked them as a kid, if you were terrified of them as a kid, or what brought you in? For me, it was an exorcist. So I watched that way too young. And I grew up Catholic. So it made the portraits of Jesus scary in my house. And, you know, I rarely get scared as well.

So it went, it went about 10, 15 years since I got scared. So I wanted to make a movie that would scare me. And then I did it. Nice. Nicely done. I was pretty scared of things as a kid. Like I mentioned earlier today that I was always. afraid of like the mad lady that would come get me. So I would just like repeat like,

Yutatita, Yutatita, in Serbian to my parents, like, she's going to come get me. And I don't think that was connected to like any movie in particular. And more just like stories. And just like having nightmares about witches. Those things were very scary to me. And a lot of the fear was like someone's going to take me away from my family. Yeah, that was my childhood fear. Yeah, I feel like for me, I mean, well, horror movies, like, aren't really for kids, you know, so when you get your hands on when you're young, it's obviously going to scare the shit out of you. You know, my sister was really one of, you know, obsessed with scream.

So that was a big one for me. I would have nightmares of, like, ghost face breaking into my home. And I think I also saw. The Hills have eyes when I was way too young, which is also like an extremely messed up one. That's a bad one. That's a tough one. I don't know how we got our hands on a rental for that from like Rogers video or whatever. But we were in elementary school and watched.

Yeah. Then that was the first one that really I was like, I think I'm too young to be watching this. But it's kind of like a roller coaster where you're like, oh, even though I'm not tall enough to ride the ride, I still want to do it. You know? Yeah. Yeah. And how about now? Are you guys horror fans now or still kind of, you know, a little bit?

I'd say every year there's one good horror film, in my opinion. Yeah. And I'm always excited for that one. I mean, I haven't been watching too much since making the movie. But I remember there was consecutive years where I would, I saw, you know, it follows. And then next year it was Babadook. And I was always waiting for that one. Yeah.

Yep. Well, this year it's undertone. Undertone. They're saying. Yeah. I love horror. I think it's one of my favorite genres because it's like it's so creative. You know, you can take so many big swings in horror.

And, you know, you look at something like barbarian too or just the tone shifts so abruptly. And it's, you know, something like get out. it's like social commentary in there as well. I think, yeah, I think it's one of my favorite genres. I love movies about women unraveling psychologically. It is my favorite genre of movie. So I'm really happy that this ends up being like in that category. And in playing said woman who is unraveling psychologically,

how was going into filming after you read the script and being like mostly alone in a house, what was kind of your approach to playing that? Well, yeah, so I was trying to be really like, know specifically where Evie's coming from, every decision that she makes. And then the way that that is changing scene to scene and also like tape to tape, like,

and then also when she finds out she's pregnant, There's so many points in the movie where the story fundamentally changes for where she's at within it. And I think like the first step to that was just being really specific about like what's something. Because because so much of it was it felt like I could just be in a sea of like it's just me and I don't, I need to ground myself in some way. the way that I first did that was by trying to just get something specific about her. And for me, that specificity was like to do with denial of what's going on. So I had this statement that I had written down like in the script in all these different places to ground myself. That was basically, if I don't feel my feelings.

If I don't admit to my feelings, I won't have to feel them. And then that becomes harder and harder to do because the truth is just like getting worse and worse. And then that was really helpful for the progression of the movie in terms of where she's at. And then the other way was that just, you know, we'd be shooting a scene and be like, okay, wait, this happened after this. Also, she's pregnant. Also, then they heard this in the story. So just adding on. And we shot so much of the movie in chronological order in terms of all the conversations with Justin in the first week.

We did all of those the first week. And then that was really helpful in terms of just like building on to what we had done. Right. One of the things that makes this movie so unique is the fact that it takes place all really in one spot, like one location. Did you find that that made it – was it easier or more challenging then to? track the progress of her character. Do you know what I mean? Because you're not moving around. So you're really in the same place. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like it's easier in the sense that there's less distraction and you can like hone in on what is going on. But it's harder because you can get

confused of like, did we, did we already do this part? No, wait, wait, no. We hadn't done that. No, it's just this. But it's easier in the way that you get lost in this world. Like the amount of hours I spent sitting in that chair in the living room. It's like all feels like a blur, which is, I think, helpful. Yeah, we didn't have a continuity person. We did not. No? So that was tough.

I almost, I made a mistake because the costumes got confused and said, is this this night or that night? And I said the wrong night, so we had you wear the wrong outfit going into a scene. Oh. But then I was like. That's going to end up on the IMDB goofs. We fixed it because when you wake, when you woke up from the, from the nightmare, I had, I threw a white t-shirt on the bed and I said, Oh, right. I remember that.

Make sure you unravel the t-shirt. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because then you wear that t-shirt in the next. But I think it's good. Feature not a bug. It's good for this type of movie to have that, like, confusion. Just so, yes. the audience. Yeah, and it's so disorienting anyways. So yeah, I think that's helpful. Yeah,

I agree. So our podcast is me recapping the movie for our listeners because it's called Too Scary Didn't Watch. It's for people who are like super scared of horror movies, but they are like always very curious and want to be part of the conversation, right? So that's, and that's me. I'm too scared to watch scary movies. I'm too scared. But you end up watching it, don't you? Well, so I do sometimes I have not actually seen undertone because it's too scary for me. It's too scary. Too scary didn't watch. But Sammy did recap the whole thing to me.

But I was going to say, I had the same even experience in just recapping it where I was like, wait, what? And like I was getting confused. And it is like an unsettling experience, even just like feeling that confusion. And you're totally right that it adds to the films. Yeah, the like overall scariness of it in general just because you're like. Yeah. Must be weird.

also seeing it as a podcaster yourself. Does it feel accurate or reflective of the real thing at all? This is what we want to talk to you about. Arch, do we need to be worried about being haunted by Abuzo? Do we need to worry about that? You do. You specifically do need to be worried.

I'm feeling a little worried, you guys. No, there was good stuff. I like it when you don't listen to it. Yeah. Yeah. You're like the Justin. But I loved all the like, we're saving it for the pod, saving it for the pod, yes.

There were like moments that I was like, yeah, we do that. We do that. Save for the pop. That was ad lib, yeah. Nice. These two. Did you guys do a lot of ad libbing? I think so.

Yeah, we did. We danced around the script. I mean, Ian's script was perfect. We just tried to find little moments to add elements of a, you know, to build that relationship between Evie and Justin in there, just pulling little moments from real life. Like, I'm sure you guys have little, um, expressions or inside jokes from your podcast as well that would throw in there, right? Yeah, I was going to ask.

So obviously one of the most sacred relationships that exist is a relationship between podcast co-host. So Nina and Adam, what did you guys do beforehand to kind of like build that chemistry? Not much. We were doing like rehearsing over the phone. Yeah, we did some Zoom. Oh yeah. Wait, we did the Zoom. Yeah.

We did the Zoom with you. Yeah. We read some scenes on Z. We talked a bit just about their backstory. And then we just played. I mean, we wanted, I feel like when I showed up to set, you know, the vibes were so great and just felt so loose that we could just kind of try whatever. Yeah. Me too.

I think we just, yeah, just kept playing every take. You could kind of tell when you, when, because every take was different in different ways. And you could tell. Well, you were thinking on the spot, which is how podcasts work. Right, right. I remember it'd be like, you've mentioned this five times this week. Oh, right. And you mentioned this seven times.

Yeah, yeah, next time. Seven times. Yeah. And I heard the lobotomy. I heard that the first time on set when I was listening to the tape. Oh, yeah. That was Adam's idea. That was my pitch.

That was like, oh, you should. When I say, you know, you need it, you should say, lobottomy. And then it got the first laugh of the movement. That landed, yeah. And I just turned around. Take a bow. Take a bow.

We were all throwing different ideas out for each other. It felt very, you know, collaborative in that way. Yeah, it comes through. You can definitely feel it. Then we also just had a question about the actual audio files that you guys were listening, listening to, the cursed files. What was the process of creating those? Was that like just an audio thing?

Or were you actually in a room with two other actors there? We were in the whole house with two actors and blocking the scenes with the actors with the actors handling an iPhone. So that that and those recordings were coming from an iPhone. And we had we had them. you know, in the same bedroom as mama, lying in bed. So when you hear the bed creek, it's someone getting out of bed. When you hear Mike searching the house, you know, there's one scene where he runs, he runs down the stairs and then goes into the kitchen,

and you can hear the faucet dripping and hitting the sink. So yeah, so they actually did it. They ran downstairs and, you know, a rat opened the door and she was at the sink with it dripping. Amazing. So scary. It is very, they're very scary. So a big part of the film is, you know, she's taking care of her mom. And so, Ian, like, was that something, why was that important to you to show like caregiving in this?

movie? Why did you include that? Well, it was the first idea that came to me was when I saw my, when I was looking at my mom and, you know, she was kind of like a child at that point and an dependent. And, you know, when I watched The Exorcist as a kid, I tried to, I was studying it to see why it was so scary and one of the things one of the conclusions I came to was that it was supposed to take a safe thing like a daughter at home and then weaponizing it

and then I was trying to figure out what else I could weaponize it that would be safer and I didn't know because I've watched you know exorcism of Emily Rose and other other possession films and they weren't they weren't ever as scary so when I when I was looking at my mom and I felt like you can't really get any safer than that and you know it's your mom plus now she's a dependent and then you know and then the ideas just started

kind of, what do you call that? Snowballing. I think that's going to resonate with so many people because so many people are caregivers and it's really isolating and challenging, especially in this country that does not provide a lot of support for people who are going through that. So I think people resonate, seeing that on screen.

I hope that it changes. A few people who I didn't expect to hear this response from more like that aspect of the movie really resonated with me the most. Because there is like, that's like true terror, you know? It's horrible. That is like horror. And it's real life horror. I think that's what makes, and that the isolation of that experience is so real.

And not just like a made-of monster. Yeah. And it's such a horrible thing that EVS experienced day in and day out, that she has a horror podcast as a relief and a break from the horror of real life. Yeah, I mean, if it's, if the movie, if it results in change in real life, that would be great. I mean, more awareness about caregiver burnout. And then like you said, if there's not enough support out there, maybe there will be after this movie,

just from people discussing it more. And I think, yeah, and I think even people from like seeing an experience that they've gone through, seeing that, um, uh, shown in a way, like makes you feel less alone. I feel that in a lot of different horror movies where it makes me feel, um, comforted to see that other people also feel and go through dark, scary things. And so, yeah, I think it definitely will resonate with people in that sense. It's good. Makes it worth it. And am I correct that you filmed it in your family's home? Is that? Yeah. That's where I was caregiving my parents too. Wow.

So I grew up there. And so I have a, you know, a whole range of memories. So it wasn't just the ending, which was. Right. Which is something that I have to keep reminding myself afterwards because that's fresh in my mind. But, you know, that's not the entire thing. Of course. And then we, you know, me and my brother, we've had already moved out.

And then when they got sick, I moved back in. My brother has three kids. I'm not married, no kids. So it was pretty clear what I had to do. And then it was about two and a half years. And in that time, I was writing undertone. And then, I don't know. I mean, when my dad passed, he passed second, it was, I was kind of numb already.

So when I was in the process of making the movie developing it, getting people to visit the house and start planning, I don't know, I wasn't scared of anything because I already went through the scariest time of my life. And even now, I'm not really scared of anything. Yeah. I think maybe the old me would have been nervous to even just be sitting here. Mm-hmm. But now it's just, it's not scary. Yeah, yeah. You found strength from it or, you know.

Yeah, perspective. Perspective. Did you guys, I mean, was there anything that felt when you were actually filming, was there anything that happened that felt really, really scary? Like on set? Did anything spooky happen? We always ask people. A lot of spooky things happened.

Yeah. Okay. Which do you want to know. Oh, I don't know. The one you want to tell me. The spookest. The spook. Well, um.

Things that were in the movie were happening in that in. So you're a drunk. Oh, it's a documentary. So the flickering light was a big thing. The light always flickered. Yeah. Oh, God. Like multiple light bulbs of my house were flickering.

Hate that. Before, before we changed it. some crew were hearing whispers. And I heard something that, I heard someone call my name, and then I said, yeah? And she said nothing. And then it happened the other way, too,

where she had said, Ian, when did you get here? And I said, I just got here. And she goes, I heard you call me upstairs five minutes ago. Stuff like that. And there's a lot more. I mean, yeah. Yeah.

We also had like a weird, like, injured left foot connection between us. So the first time I met Dan Slater, he had walked into my house in crutches with his left ankle wrapped. Yeah. And I had told him when I met him, I said, oh, that's really weird because, wow, this is going to spark up a lot of questions too. because, yeah, I got shot in the leg, and it was a straight bullet, and I was out of nightclub. What? And, yeah, it was, I have the CTV or city TV footage. Oh, wow.

Oh, my God. I didn't think so on my Instagram. But it was, I just remember I couldn't go to work for a while. And then when I finally went back to work, they had given my promotion. to someone else and I had been promoted the day that I was shot. And so at that point, I said, I'm going to take this as a sign to quit and pursue my, pursue my dream to become a filmmaker.

Good for you. And that's something that, so when I saw Dan with crutches and his left foot, I said, okay, I think this is a sign that I'm going to make a movie with you. And then Adam came. Well, Nina first, no, with your, Well, I got surgery on my left foot or my left ankle two and a half years ago.

And I still have like really bad ankle problems. I'm like always limping. You'll see when I stand up. I'll be limping. Right. And then you. And Adam came into set. When I had my, yeah.

When I had my zoom meeting with you, I held up. Because I had fallen down eight stairs and landed right onto my foot. And I held up, you know, I had a boot on. And you said like that's when you knew that it was going to be me. It was in that moment. There's little details with both of you. It's just like that was a crazy kind of, yeah, coincidence thing. Yeah, so there were those coincidences.

Is the left side not considered like the more sinister side as well? Yeah, the sinister. Yeah, the sinistra in Italian too or something. Or it's Spanish or so. You know the left is like sinister? Your conscience is like an angel and the devil? Yeah. Even Loonetoon's cartoons.

Yeah, and the left side is the more, of course, it all happened on the left side. This is spooky. Yeah. We were all predestined to do this. There were a lot of signs. Yeah. So are you guys believers in the supernatural? Where do you fall on the like full yes, maybe?

I'm at a point where it's just knowledge to me. Yeah. So not a skeptic among you? No, no, no, no. We're all believers. Yeah, yeah. We've all had like experiences, I'd say. And only skeptic in the Zoom.

I have to for my own standards. I would lose my mind. I'm not like too open to it or whatever. Like, of course I believe in it. I have, you know, seen a ghost before, but only one time that I'm aware of. Yeah, and I had written that ghost into my screenplay

that I was writing currently when you had told me that story. Remember I told you? At Sundance, I'm like, was he bald? Yeah. And then, or I already knew he was bald, but then I was like, was he at the foot of your bed? And he said, yeah. I wrote that scene just now, right?

Yeah, yeah. I had a weird experience when I was filming White Lotus. We were staying at a, it was a convent that had been converted into four seasons. It was crazy. You know, there's like the nun's quarters and all this stuff that are these amazing rooms now. But I had a nightmare of this bald man approaching the foot of my bed. And it woke me up. I woke up, like, screaming.

And then I heard another cast member, I heard John, cast member John Grice. A week later telling a story about a nightmare he had of like this bald man who was pacing back and forth and approached through his bed. And I was like, oh, I had the same dream a week ago. So this has, it mathematically has to be a ghost. Because I didn't tell anyone about my dream. Yeah, mathematically, the equation is 100% point. One of the other bald ghost.

Henley, this is cold hard proof. I know. I have been met with so much proof. Just to give you guys some context, I live at a church and my husband is a priest. And I have two small children. And literally there's a cemetery outside my window. Oh, you can't be a believer. You're not allowed.

You're not. No, no, no. Keep it that way. Don't watch this film. I live in a house that was built in the middle of the Civil War. Like, all the ghosts that live here were friends. We're friends. We like each other.

Everything's good. Yes, good. Well, our time is coming to an end. but could you guys tell us maybe just like a favorite? 30? Yeah. It's flowed on. I know.

What? Okay. Sorry. Sorry. You go. Just wondering, like a favorite memory from set. Oh, I know. Yeah.

When we were doing this like one of my favorite shot in the movie, which was inspired by Psycho. And then we were trying to get the right angle. And like, oh, wait, I have to move it like this. And then we were all going behind the monitor. and like, wha! Like, cheering so loud. And it was just like so fun. It was just being with a group,

it felt like we were all 10 years old, just at Ian's house making a movie. It was so fun. So that was my favorite. When it was a long take at the end when, you know, there was so much happening that we really needed to nail it. And then when we landed it,

the same thing happened to. Yeah, we all were like cheering. That one included chest bumps. Yeah. We were like a sports team. And then we had a sauna in the backyard, but it was basically just a tarp over a fire. Because it was snowing so much. It was like a snowstorm the entire time.

Yeah. So we did some sauna nights and then cold plunge, which was just going outside. Which was just going in the snow. Yeah. Just going outside in Canada. Going outside of Canada is just a cold plunge in a way. That's all you need. Yeah.

I think my favorite was, I mean, I, I, I, got to set pretty late in the production, but I think just having lunch with these two in your childhood bedroom was pretty surreal and just like felt really like I was being welcomed into this family. So that was really nice memory for me. And then also you reassuring me that's like, by the way, like this set is like we have protection watching over us. Like nothing bad is going to happen. We're not going to let in any like bad energy. So that also is really reassuring for me. We're around making sure we're safe. Yeah.

A lot of the signs suggested that. Wow. Yeah. Like there was, when we, on our last day, they surprised me with flowers. You too. And my mom would always buy me flowers in every occasion. So, you know, in university, I was the only guy holding flowers in my graduation. And then they did.

and they were all chanting and I took out my phone and I showed them the time and the time was 1037 and I have a tattoo of 1037 on my leg because my mom's birthday is October 10, 1937 and when they saw that

they all went whoa I'm going whoa you got to see this thing I'm not walking it back now. You got to. I'm scared for me too. All right.

Okay. Thank you guys so much for doing this. Such a delight to get to speak to you and find out all this cool information about the movie, which makes it even more special. So thank you. I think we've maybe turned Henley into a believer, but also like we understand why she has to keep putting up that walk. Mentally she can't.

Wait until your kids are older. to believe. 20 years. Thank you guys so much. We're excited to tell everybody to see this movie. Bye. We didn't. We made it.

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