Too Scary; Didn't Watch - WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO BABY JANE? with Kara Brown

Episode Date: February 26, 2025

Thrilled to welcome TV writer and producer Kara Brown (Kara's Three Things) on the show this week! Join us as we discuss this deeply iconic movie and even more iconic real-life relationship between Bette Davis and Joan Crawford. Actors, take note!!! This is the Hollywood we want!!!Movie & Guest Intro @ 07:49Trivia @ 17:13Recap starts @ 36:31TrailerFollow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram.Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content!Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy.Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hi everyone. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Samian, I love watching scary movies and so I watch them so that you don't have to and we are missing Henley today, missing her dearly. She will be back.

I'm really sorry. We got a nice good dose of Henley last week in the recap. I know it's not enough, it's never enough, but go back to that if you have to and she'll be back with us soon. But in the meantime, it's just us. And Sammy, I gotta know if anything scary happened to you this week.

Well, Emily, you were with me when this happened, which is that I, for the first time, saw the movie Showgirls. Yep. Which... Honored to have been there. I had heard that it's the most insane movie ever made, and I had heard all of how it was career ending

for Elizabeth Berkley and all the drama that it completely tanked. And so I felt like my expectations were like, oh, this is gonna be crazy, insane. It was beyond my wildest imagination. I could not have anticipated. I just, I was speechless. I was speechless.

I was- You did laugh out loud in it, like a pure, like normally I feel like a surprised laugh is usually like a one-off, you know, you go like, ah, and then that's sort of it. You did that for like 20 minutes straight, like you did not stop surprise laughing for the first 20 minutes of the movie.

I was crying laughing the first 20 minutes, just shocked me to my core. Yeah. Wow. Wow. I can't believe it. I can't believe it. I can't say if I liked it or didn't like it.

I had, it's a wild ride. And you know what? That's not the point. That's not the point I don't think for anyone. Oh. Obviously for people who've seen it and you know, there is one completely horrible scene that shouldn't exist anywhere.

But the rest of it, it's just, it's a visceral experience more than it is a movie. And I was so tired when it started. I was really sleepy. We had a big dinner. Yeah, we had a big diner dinner. But my God, it woke me right up. Yep.

Wow. Showgirls. Who knew? Everybody but me. Yeah, it's well, yeah, it's I hadn't seen it since college. I had like not processed it as an adult. I mean, I can't say it hits that much differently because again, it's like, there's no way

to process what's happening, but it's really just something else. If you haven't seen it, again, one terrible scene. Yeah, the last 10 minutes are like. The last 10 minutes are fucking gnarly in a way that is like, where did this come from? I couldn't believe that either, my God. But wow, what a time.

I'm so glad I was there for you experiencing it for the first time. It's something else, man. It's really something else. It really is. Wow, wow, wow. Oh, and an update. Last week, I promised that I would do more research

on the six or seven planets that are aligning. Seven, I think. On Friday. On Friday. I didn't do that, so I don't have any further updates. If you were counting on Sammy, look elsewhere. I hope that, I think we'll be fine. Everyone will be okay. I don't think that's gonna be the thing

that'll make it not okay. Yeah. Maybe it'll set everything right. Who's to say? Who's to say? Who's to say? Fingers crossed. Fingers crossed. Maybe it'll be the thing that saves us.

I hope so. I hope so. Emily, did anything scary happen to you this week? Okay, well, I already told you this, but I did a thing I never do, which is I cooked a little bit. I mean, barely cooked. Barely cooked. Joel was making chana masala and I was like, we should have some chutney.

And he was like, what? Like, would you want to make it? I was like, we should have some chutney. And he was like, would you wanna make it? I was like, no, but sure I will. And it's just putting things in a food processor. One of those things was, okay, this recipe called for two to four green chilies. And I'm very not big, I'm not good at spicy food. Shocking by the looks of me. I'm a person'm like not good at spicy food. Shocking by the looks of me. I'm a person who can't really do spicy food.

But so I bought two green chilies and I just put one in being like, great. And I truly, I cut it down the middle, that's all I did. I did take the seeds out, popped it in that food processor, immediately washed my hands. Was like, you gotta wash your hands right away because of the pepper. Great, thinking, I barely touched it, washed my hands,

we're good. All night, I like blew my nose, nose on fire. Scratched my mouth, lips on fire. Somehow the inside of my lip got like chilly. I was like, and it got to a point where I was like, it'll never leave. Like I was like, I don't know what to do. I've washed my hands so many times.

This is why I don't cook. It's such a high risk activity. It's so scary. And so I like, at the end of the night, I was like truly scared to like brush my teeth, wash my face. I was like, I can't wash my face. My hands are toxic.

So I took a shower and like 12 times washed my fingers and I have like these stupid long nails. So I like grabbed the bar of soap and just like rung my hands around it to like scrape soap off under all my nails. Then I use shampoo. I was like, I did shampoo on all my fingertips. Then I have these like exfoliation gloves.

I put those on and put more soap and just like my fingertips just like rub, rub, rub, rub, for like so, I was so scared. And then it was okay, it did get off. I was able to wash my face, but it was like intense for me as someone who doesn't, I like, how do people cook with peppers? I mean, I know there's like gloves,

but people are doing this shit all the time. I wouldn't have thought to use gloves. I would have been exactly in your position. And it's not even like, this was like an insane pepper. Like it was like a jalapeno, which is like hot, but not like there's a far hotter peppers. Anyway, it was a really harrowing experience for me. I don't cook.

I won't be doing it again for quite some time. Yeah, what an experience to have for the one time you ventured. It's just not worth it, you know? It's not worth it. It's just absolutely not worth it. So I won't be doing it again. Lesson learned, cooking is scary.

Yeah, be careful out there, folks. Be careful out there. But another scary thing I did this week is I watched the movie. Ooh, she's so brave. I'm so brave, I will say it's really not scary. Wait, I will say one last little plug is that speaking of Emily being brave,

it just reminded me that we did do the Evil Dead watch along. Oh yeah, I hated that. And that's available on just this, wherever you're listening to this podcast or it's available on YouTube too. And my God, Emily and Henley were so brave watching just the goriest, nastiest movie.

It was tough, but we did it and we made it through and I hope people can drive joy from it. Because I did not, no, I had an okay time. I had an okay time, but I had nothing compared to the time I had watching this movie, which, oh boy. Okay, this week's movie is, Whatever Happened to Baby Jane. It came out in 1962.

It was directed by Robert Aldrich, written by Lucas Heller based on the novel Whatever Happened to Baby Jane by Henry Farrell, starring Betty Davis, Joan Crawford, and Victor Buono. Oh boy, I can't wait to talk about it, and I'm thrilled that we have a guest joining us to talk about this movie. TV writer and producer Kara Brown. Welcome, Kara. Hello. Hello. Hello. Thank you for having me.

The pleasure is ours. I cannot wait to talk about this movie. There's so much to say. So before we get into that, Kara, did anything scary happen to you this week? I got on a plane, which is these days terrifying. These days it's pretty scary. Yeah. Who'd have thought we were back to that? Yeah.

Yeah, it wasn't like I, I've never been, I was never like a nervous flyer. And then like in my adult years, I've gotten like a little bit more nervous as a flyer. And my therapist was like, that happens. Cause you start to like really understand what's happening and you're like, we're just like in the air. Yeah, everything is scarier. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I wasn't like, it was a,

it was a, it was like a European flight. So I was like, I feel like they're they're paying attention right now. It wasn't as like if it were a domestic flight, I think I'd be I would have been more scared. But yeah, that's that's where we're at now. Yeah. Yeah, it really is unfortunate. I'm also not really a nervous flyer, but lately I'm like, well, I don't want to fly a thing that felt like it was like, well, obviously like it's so rare

that anything would happen on a, it's like, it's not as rare as you would like anymore. Also now I'm like, if I'm on a plane, I'm staying wherever I'm staying for like two weeks. Like I'm not doing this like hopping on, hopping off. Bopping around, yeah. We want to minimize the risk. Yes.

Make it count at the very least. Exactly, make' around, yeah. We wanna minimize the risk. Yes. Yeah, make it count at the very least. Exactly, make it count, yeah. Yes, agreed. Oh boy, yeah, scary. That is scary. Glad you made it. Thank you. What is your relationship with scary movies in general?

I find scary movies scary, so I don't. It's like a, it's a funny, It's like it's a funny, you know, it's a funny thing because obviously I'm like, I know that many of these things are not real. Sure. You know, all of them are like most of them.

But like, I don't find the experience of being scared fun. Yeah, which I think I understand better that for people, it's like an adrenaline thing, I guess. They like that kind of thrill. I find my day to day life thrilling enough in a negative way. So I've never really, it's like skydiving. I'm like, I get it, but I don't get it. So I haven't really like, honestly, you know, I'd seen scary movies, but like rarely in the theater.

I saw like Get Out because I didn't know what it was about. It's really scary. It's scary. And it was true. It's like the second weekend it opened, I'd been at brunch with friends. They were like, let's go see this movie. And I had no, you know, like the first few weeks,

it wasn't clear what the movie was about. So I didn't really realize it was gonna be scary. And then I was in there and I was like, let's go see this movie. And I had no, you know, like the first few weeks, wasn't clear what the movie was about. So I didn't really realize it was gonna be scary. And then I was in there and I was like, this is scary. But yeah, so I don't have a lot of like theater and I feel like I feel safer at home. I was gonna say it's scarier in the theater. I'm in the same way in the theater. It's always like the screen's so big.

So you can't escape it. It's all encompassing. I think too, fear, like when I'm watching a scary movie, you know, you get scared about everything. Like you're just like, your body is like ramped up. And then like, I don't like to then be like, well, I'm in a public space. I don't know these people where the exits like what's happening.

Like I start, like everything gets scarier. I've had a few situations where I'm like afraid of the people next to me all of a sudden. Yeah, someone in here, what a perfect opportunity where I'm like afraid of the people next to me all of a sudden. Someone in here, what a perfect opportunity to kill a room full of people is to come in while they're watching a scary movie. Exactly.

So yeah, comfort of our homes is- It's better, always a little safer. And there's so many now. So many. I forgot what movie I went to see recently in the theater. What could it have been? There's like not that much out, but it was like every trailer was a horror movie.

Every single trailer. And then I think the person I was with was like, oh, I think it's cause it's an R rated movie. Yes. Was it one of them days because I saw that and all of them. It must have been one of them days. Yes, it was one of them days. Because all of the trailers were horror.

And the same thing people next to us were like, is this a horror movie? Is this? Yeah, it's like, this is not what I'm here to see. You're sitting down to watch like an upbeat comedy. Yeah. The great trailer was a horror movie and it was like, am I in the wrong theater?

Like, why is this the same audience? And then I think my friend was like, oh, I think it's just because the movie, one of them days is rated R. They can show these R rated trailers. But I was like, you're marketing to the wrong people is what it felt like. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I noticed that as well. It was pretty, a pretty interesting decision. Because everyone was just like, Oh, I don't like this.

Maybe it was like a, maybe it was a ploy so that you'd be scared. So you'd be so happy to laugh at the movie. Then by the time it would be- Yes, it's just like this big release like, oh thank God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this was your first time seeing what happened to Baby Jane. Is that right?

It was. It was. Yes. And what made you choose it? Just had it been on your list before or you just assumed it was going to not be too scary? I heard about it. I actually I was like, you know what would be scary about this movie is this could happen. This seems I was like that's scary to me. I was like, you know, like a actor with a personality disorder could ruin my life. Like that is, that is very possible.

It's happening all the time. It's probably happening right now and I don't realize it. I was like, that's more likely than, you know, like a zombie or something. So, but I did, I had always like seen also Betty Davis in that makeup. And I was like, I got to see what is happening. Yeah, yep, yep.

I know exactly what you're talking about. And I have never seen this movie and I can't freaking wait to hear about it because I've had the same curiosity. Yeah, I was so thrilled when you picked it because I also was like, I'm gonna watch the movie this week and thank God it wasn't too serious because I was like, I can do this one.

And also someone like, oh, I'm so glad to have a reason to watch this movie. Yeah. And in particular, like I'm not super familiar with Bette Davis and Joan Crawford and only know, like of the fact that they had a feud, but was like not very plugged in. You better believe I plugged right the hell in when I watched this movie. We I was watching it with Joel and I like paused it like 20 minutes and it was like, I need, we're gonna resume this after I've read

everything about their relationship. And you better believe I'm gonna talk about it. Did you do a similar thing, Kara? Did you like? I went down such a rabbit hole on INDB, on Wikipedia, and I knew about their feud, but like the logic of them deciding to do this movie together is so crazy.

I guess like now we don't have actors who like openly feud in that way anymore. Like I feel like now with that, we're gonna have to get each other like keep it very like quiet. Or try to. But like now with that, with each other, like keep it very like quiet. Or try to. But like the fact that they were willing to like put that aside and do this like weird movie where they still hate each other. I was like, this is these, these bitches were

committed to craft, you know? They are incredible. I think it's like what sold this movie is also part of it is that people were like, are you kidding me? I have to, which is genius level shit. They, I think they were obsessed with each other. I think that they were like on some level in love with each other, not romantically necessarily, although there is talk of like, oh, Joan Crawford was bi. Maybe she had the hots for Betty Davis, who knows?

But at the very least, I just, I don't think you engage with someone in this way for this long, if you aren't like, like enamored with them. Like it's like, there's something about, and I think it's like, they were each other's equal in every way and it is really a sight to behold. They were geniuses at feuding, geniuses. Even they're like, all of their marriages,

like you're going through their lives. And I was like, you guys are like this, like this is, this is like kind of the same person. And I'm like, maybe that's what was so, you know, like maybe that's what was getting both of you. Right, right. Also, I just love that they existed at a time where it's like, yeah, these were two Hollywood actresses

who were each married like five times. It was just like, oh, oh, this moment in time. I just like really sank my freaking claws into all of this. And I did watch this in the morning, and then we watched Showgirls in the evening, and what a day. That is a day, that is a show business day. Oh, it really got me.

Okay, so we have a lot of trivia about this movie and a whole subsection of the trivia about the few that I will be getting to. First, I'll say this movie has a 90% on Rotten Tomatoes, 75% on Metacritic, and an eight on IMDb. Yeah, wow. Those are high. Those are high numbers.

It had a budget of 980,000 and a box office at the time of 9 million. And one of my trivia adjusts that for what it would be now. But it was a hit. It was a huge hit. Okay, so the makeup, Betty Davis's makeup, very iconic. We all can picture it. If you can't, look it up.

But in her book, This and That, Bette Davis said she had a lot of control over how her makeup should be done in the film. She imagined the older Jane as someone who would never wash her face, just put on another layer of makeup. When her daughter, Barbara Merrill, first saw her in full Jane makeup,

she said, oh mother, this time you've gone too far. Yes, the film was a smash hit upon its initial release, recouping its original budget in only 11 days and eventually grossing 9 million and in adjusted 2017 dollars, which I guess is when this trivia was written, that would be equivalent to over $72 million. Wow. Which like, Jesus Christ. That's crazy. Davis's character of deranged former child star

baby Jane Hudson is widely believed to be based at least partially on former silent movie on January Mary Miles Minter. Minter's career ended abruptly in 1922 when press coverage suggested she was a prime suspect in the still unsolved murder of director William Desmond Taylor. Although she was never formally charged, Minter survived for decades afterwards as a progressively delusional recluse.

Oh, very interestingly worded. Very interestingly worded trivia. We love our IMGB trivia. Many critics consider this movie as the creation of the hag horror subgenre, also known as psychobity and hag-sploitation. Hag-sploitation. Hag-sploitation. I'm unfamiliar with this. Apparently. But I mean-

I've not heard that. It's, yeah. Yeah, the hag horror. A little bit of casting what ifs, although it really is impossible to imagine anyone else. But Ingrid Bergman, Susan Hayward, Rita Hayworth, Katharine Hepburn, Jennifer Jones, and Ginger Rogers were all considered for Baby Jane. But again, the casting was like, they really wanted it to be these two actresses specifically because of their feud.

And let's talk about it. Let's talk about their feud. Yeah. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about the feud. Basically all these trivia points that I have were pulled from one Harper's Bazaar article. So, you know, if that article was wrong, everything I'm about to say is wrong. Is that there? I'm sure it's there.

I'm sure they do. And you know what? What it all is is interesting. And so I really don't care if it's completely accurate or not. Okay, timeline. So 1933, Betty Davis's first major film, Ex Lady. So she started her career later than Joan Crawford.

Joan Crawford was already a bit of a star by the time Davis's career started. So she, it was her first big film. It was set to have this massive press release on the day it was gonna come out. That very same day, Joan Crawford announced her divorce from her first husband, Douglas Fairbanks Jr. And it completely took over the news cycle

to the fact that like newspapers canceled their coverage of Bette Davis' movie and made like huge front page stories about Joan Crawford's divorce. So the movie ended up being a huge flop. It didn't make any money and it closed after like two weeks. Wow. It begins. 1935.

Betty Davis starred in the drama Dangerous and fell in love with her co-star, Franchotone. I fell in love with him professionally and privately. Everything about him reflected his elegance from his name to his manners. Unfortunately, Crawford got to Tone first and the couple announced their engagement during the filming of the movie Dangerous. Oh my God. Betty Davis is quoted, he was madly in love with her. They met each day for lunch.

He would return to the set, his face covered in lipstick. He was honored this great star was in love with him. I was jealous, of course. Crawford is quoted saying that Tone thought Betty was a good actress, but he never thought of her as a woman. Oh damn. What?

What did she? In an interview in 1987, Betty Davis is quoted saying, she took him from me. She did it coldly, deliberately, and with complete ruthlessness. Oh my God. So then, at that year's Oscars,

Betty Davis was nominated for the movie Dangerous, didn't think she was gonna win, so she showed up in just like a very plain dress. It was actually an old costume, but she won. And so when her name was announced, Tone, her co-star in this movie, got up to embrace her and congratulate her. He's sitting next to his now wife, Joan Crawford,

who refused to budge or even look at Bette Davis. Oh my God. Apparently Tone called her out for being rude, so she supposedly turned to Davis and said, "'Dear Bette, what a lovely frog.'" Oh my God. This is like the spit gate. It's incredible.

Spit gate, spit gate fucking wishes. It is nothing compared to this. Okay, 1943, Joan Crawford moves over from MGM to Warner Brothers. This is back when you're like, we're associated with the studio as an actor, and Warner Brothers is where Betty Davis was. Joan Crawford supposedly was hoping to mend fences,

and requested a dressing room right next to Betty Davis, and would send her flowers, gifts, Betty Davis returned every single one. Wow. Okay, the roles for the movie Mildred Pierce and Possessed were both originally offered to Betty Davis, but she turned them down. Both of those roles were then given to Joan Crawford.

Joan Crawford won an Oscar for Mildred Pierce and was nominated for an Oscar for Possessed. Oof. 1952, the romantic drama The Star was written by Joan Crawford's longtime friend Katherine Albert, supposedly as retaliation after a falling out. Davis was cast in the lead role of a washed-up actress clinging desperately to her fading star power, a thinly veiled, deeply unflattering depiction of Joan

Crawford. Oh my god. 1962, Whatever happened to baby Jane? Both of their careers were sort of in a decline at this point. So this movie was like they both had a lot of incentive to do a big movie like this. And the studios wanted the relationship that they had mirrored in the film. OK, so they agree to do it. Joan Crawford at the time was on Pepsi's board of directors because her late husband, I don't know which number husband, but a further along number husband,

was a Pepsi executive. So Betty Davis had a Coke machine installed in her dressing room just to spite her. Betty Davis was nominated for an Oscar for her performance in Baby Jane. Joan Crawford was not. Joan Crawford actively campaigned against Betty Davis winning

and made arrangements with other actresses nominated in the best actress category to accept the award on their behalf if they won, which did happen, and Bancroft won against Bette Davis and Joan Crawford accepted the award on her behalf and got up on stage and accepted the Oscar on behalf of the woman who beat her co-star. Incredible, incredible.

Why would that woman agree to that? Why would she be like, yeah, sure, one of the highlights of my career, you just get up there. Well, she was already like planning on not being there. There was, for whatever reason, like a couple of actresses weren't gonna be there and Joan Crawford knew this and was like,

let me accept it on your behalf if you win. Oh my God, this is so petty. Like, planned this. It's wild, okay. Following, it's so petty. Like, planned this. It's wild. Okay, following Joan Crawford's death in 1977. Okay, this quote, there's no actual proof or record of this quote, but it is believed that she said this,

"'You should never say bad things about the dead. "'You should only say good. "'Joan Crawford is dead. "'Good.'" Ooh! My God. Joan Crawford's daughter wrote a book called Mommy Dearest that was like just absolutely scathing of Joan Crawford,

like tearing her to shreds, terrible. That a lot of people have renounced, have been like, this isn't true, like you, I don't know, you have, whatever was going on with them. I mean, look, doesn't seem like she's probably a very nice person. So, you know, whatever was going on with them. I mean, look, it doesn't seem like she's probably a very nice person. So, you know, whatever, we weren't there.

But, Betty Davis has quoted, coming to her defense, after this book was published, saying, "'I was not Miss Crawford's biggest fan, "'but wisecracks were the contrary. "'I did and still do respect her talent. "'What she did not deserve was that detestable book "'written by her daughter. "'To do something like that to someone who saved you

"'from the orphanage, foster homes, foster homes who knows what if she didn't like the person who chose to be her mother she was grown up and could choose her own life. The quote continues. Davis wanted to admit that she felt very sorry for Joan Crawford but I knew she wouldn't appreciate my pity because that's the last thing she would have wanted. Anyone being sorry for her especially me. I can understand how hurt Miss Crawford had to be. Well no I can't. It's like trying to imagine how I would feel if my own beloved daughter were to write a bad book

about me, unimaginable. Oh my gosh. Absolutely incredible shit. And then just one last quote from Joan Crawford because I feel like they're in this back and forth. Betty Davis really was kicking her ass. Joan Crawford is quoted as saying, "'Betty is a survivor.

She survived herself. It's just absolutely incredible shit. Like they don't make them like that anymore. They don't make them like that anymore. And yeah, I just think there's like, you don't engage with someone in that way. If you're not like very, like I think they were probably having a lot of fun

on some level. Yeah. Right. I feel like it's the, I mean, obviously like, cause Ryan Murphy did this, right? Like he did it, he did the show. Yeah. But like, it's one of the things that like,

I appreciate about the Real Housewives, which is those bitches are just working. Like they're doing a job. And the ones that are good, remember, it's like why people, they're making up with each other all the time. It's like, yeah, because that's like, they have to find a way to work with each other.

And so on some level, I do respect it because I'm just like, they know what the job is. And they're like, in order to keep this going, we all have to like either tolerate each other or I have to forget everything you said about me or whatever and let it go. And I feel like they generally do do it because they're invested in like

that gravy train continuing. And like this is, it's like, yeah, cause if you really hated someone and they started doing this, if you would stop engaging. Yeah. You were like, I'm not doing a movie with them. I'm not working with them. Like it's done. We don't exist to each other, but they like very much did.

Yes, and they know it and it's like, it's funny. Like they have to know that this was funny. And it's like, yeah, they're so equally matched that it's also like, I feel like you have to enjoy the fact that like for every insanely petty, shitty thing you do to her, she's gonna do an equal but opposite thing back to you. And it's almost like, I can't, I imagine it would be like

a little bit exciting to be like, what's she gonna do? What's she gonna fucking do? I like cannot get over the getting a Coke machine in your dressing room because it's so stupid. But it's so funny. I just, I'm obsessed with it. It's funny, it's not, it's just, I mean, it seems like too, that they were doing this other than maybe like the,

the husband thing, but like, it was kind of like stupid shit that didn't matter. Like they weren't really like ruining. It's not like, it doesn't seem like they were, they were really like ruining each other's lives. They were just like, what will piss her off? Like that's, and they know what'll piss each other off because they seem to know each other quite well.

That's it's like, there's like a real intimacy to the way they are like getting under each other's skin, which is what is like so it's not, yeah, they're not like being just straight up assholes. There's like something, there's really something more there. And there are a couple of, so like the, obviously the sort of height of all of this was whatever happened to baby Jane. They were like working together all the time.

And there are a couple of really just delicious moments from and within the filming of this movie that I've incorporated into, we'll like get there when we get there because it's worth. But it's really just, I don't know if I'll ever stop thinking about it. No, and I feel like-

It's just really special. The way that now with like actors and celebrities, I'm like, I would give up all of their, because you know now it's like, oh, you're on, they're doing their own PR, like they're managing their image in such a way. And it's like, I would rather not know anything about you, but this shit. Yes. way. And it's like, I would rather not know anything about you but this shit. I don't care. I don't really care about it. It's like, Tom Cruise, I don't care about the Scientology, to be honest. I want to see. Thank you. Don't really care. Like not that interested. I want to see you hang off a plane. That is more interesting to me. Like that is a movie star.

Yes. Yeah. That's much more fun than like the like your personal life shit. Yes. That's so much more fun than like your personal life shit. Yeah. It's like, I don't really care about that. Tell me nothing about your real life, but have a feud with another actor. Yeah, public feud. Yes. Go back to public feud.

That's all we want. Private life is off the table, public feuds only. I don't need to see you without makeup. I don't need to know that. I don't care about your routine. I don't care. I just want to know who you hate. And I want you to like go on Jimmy Fallon and talk to it. You know who's actually really good at this? Brian Cox. You're right. He does. And Mariah Carey, I feel like will be. Yep. She's just, she hurt whatever she's like tormenting

JLo, which like hurts my heart, but like there's a few of them that'll do it, but I feel like you have to be Brian Cox or Mariah Carey. Yeah. I mean, I will say during Spitgate, Florence Pugh did a really good job of this. I will say her performance in that whole endeavor,

like just showing up when she said she wasn't going to and not attending any events and just like drinking a cocktail. That is good. That's the kind of shit I want. Don't say anything. I don't need to know about your, but let's just like a well-timed little like, fuck you.

Like, give me that. Give me that. A call to actors everywhere. CTO actors. Please, please. I don't hear about how you got in shape for this movie. I wanna know. Nope.

I don't need to know what you ate. Like I don't wanna know. I don't wanna know. Yeah. Nope. Get some freaking vending machines installed in your dressing rooms to fuck with your ghost stars. Please.

This is what I need. Okay, we should watch this trailer. Yes, I would love to see it. Sister, sister, oh so fair. Why is there blood all over your hair? Whatever happened to baby Jane? To seek the answer to that question, we will follow a man plotting a murder. Highly specialized work.

But Robert Aldrich has considerable experience in such matters. He has a dozen successful pictures to his credit. His stars are Bette Davis and Joan Crawford. The Scene, an Italianate villa in a once fashionable section of Los Angeles. Its halls, once crowded with the bright, the beautiful and the celebrated, now echo only to hectic whispers. The insistent call of a buzzer, better left unanswered. A telephone that has become an object of fear.

A supper tray that will not be touched. A window barred against the world. A hammer. A mute scrawl, crying for help. From these elements, director Aldrich has fashioned an ocean picture with a curious title. Whatever happened to baby Jane? Betty Davis is Jane Hudson. Joan Crawford is Blanche Hudson. But we must warn you, if you're long-standing fans of Miss Davis and Miss Crawford,

this motion picture is quite unlike anything they have ever done. It is a bold essay in the art of the macabre. A venture to the ultimate reaches of terror. A motion picture definitely not for the squeamish. And we beg you, as the tension builds to the screaming point, as shock after shock assaults your senses, try to remember that this is only a motion picture. Try and remember. try to remember that this is only a motion picture.

Try and remember. Get away from me! No, we can't show you anymore. Only when you see whatever happened to baby Jane will you know. And the answer is total suspense. Oh my God. What a completely insane trailer. Oh my God.

It's the craziest trailer I've ever seen. But like makes me wanna see that movie. Yes, it is effective. And I feel like I've seen them do something similar with like an Alfred Hitchcock movie too, where it's like more about the filmmaking side of it, but just that like, it's so unusual. Really threw me.

Really threw me. When it started, I was like, well, this isn't right. This can't possibly be the trailer, but then it was. I hate how much I enjoy YouTube comments. They seem to be, oh yeah. The first one on this that's like, this is so extra is such a dumb, I'm like, they're right. It was like, I met it since 17 year old being like, this feels like a lot.

They're like doing too much. Doing too much here. Was there a favorite between Betty Davis and Joan Crawford? Like generally was someone the like- Good question. Like in the world. In the world was it kind of like most people are team Betty

or was it pretty evenly matched? I don't know. I feel like it was probably pretty evenly matched. They both were like- That makes it more fun. It does make it more fun. Like they both won Oscars. They both were nominated many times.

Yeah. Both got married a ton. Like I think. I feel like they're the same amount of like, if you know Betty Davis, you probably know Joan Crawford. Like you've heard the name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, Joan Crawford's career started sooner.

So she was like famous earlier, but I don't know. But then Betty Davis lived longer. So like, I don't, I really don't know. Yeah. yeah. I mean, Joan Crawford's career started sooner, so she was like famous earlier, but I don't know. But then Betty Davis lived longer. So like, I don't, I really don't know. I think it was like, you're either, you're probably like team Betty or team Joan. They're very, at least based on this one movie, they come across, they like read as very different, like counter types to each other.

And they were like very much playing into type in this movie. Which is really fun. I've never seen Mildred Pierce. Maybe I should. Me neither. Well, I can't wait to hear about this. I can't wait to talk about it. That trailer whet my whistle.

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We get a chiron that says it's 1917. See this young girl, she's looking at a jack in the Box and is scared of it and is crying. Her dad's telling her not to be scared. We see the Jack in the Box is crying, which is really interesting, and we never really come back to it. We see behind the big theater marquee that says, Baby Jane Hudson. Show's all sold out, we go in, packed theater,

it's like a vaudeville-type theater, and we see a little blonde girl with the bounciest ringlets you've ever seen tap dancing up a storm. Everyone's loving it. We see her family watching in the wings, mom, dad, sister. Dad is over the moon, big smile on his face.

Mom is just kind of watching on. The sister, Stoic, we are gathering, she's not very happy. The dad comes out on stage, one last song, let's take a request. A boy stands up in the audience and he says, can you do a letter to daddy? Of course we'll do a letter to daddy. He sits down at the piano, starts playing,

she starts singing. I wrote a letter to daddy. That is what she sounds like. It's wild. Yeah, it's not like angelic, beautiful tones. No. And the dad playing the piano, he's part of the show with her. Okay, okay.

Yeah, and is just loving it. Loving it. This song is basically about her dad is dead and she wrote a letter to him in heaven. At one point her dad gets off from the piano, they do like a dance together. A weird dance. A weird dance, a weird song, a weird show,

everything is strange. It's all sounding pretty weird so far. Yeah, everything's pretty weird. Keep cutting to the wings where the sister's looking on like really, you know, I mean, her sister's getting all the attention, you know. Yeah, yeah. Not thrilled.

Song ends, everyone's wild applause. A boy in the audience comes up on stage with this big, do you remember those like life-size Barbies that happened for a little while? Yeah. It was about a doll about that size, like a porcelain doll that looks just like baby Jane. Almost her size.

Yeah. Like almost as big as baby Jane. Yeah, a child-sized doll looks like baby Jane and the dad says, everybody, baby Jane doll is available for purchase in the lobby. You too can have your very own baby Jane Hudson to take home with you. So we see people filing out to the lobby.

Everybody's buying baby Jane doll. We love it. Baby Jane storms off stage. She goes out to the back, like the stage door where fans are gathered. They all want, they're applauding, oh my God, they want to meet Baby Jane. And she immediately starts throwing a huge tantrum.

Her dad's like, Baby Jane, it's time for a nap. She's like, I don't want to take a nap. And like, I want ice cream. She says, I make the money, so I'm in charge. And he's like, everyone's watching and really disapproving, you know. Kiske, the moms are very, are very judgmental, rightfully. Yeah.

Yeah. Everyone is not loving to see this side of baby Jane. There's gonna be a movie about why children shouldn't work. Yeah. They shouldn't, they should not have jobs. And she is aware, she's like, I'm the reason you have any money at all. And so he says, oh, you can get ice cream.

I mean, it's rather hot. That's a regular request. And she goes, well, Blanche wants ice cream too, referring to her sister. And Blanche very timidly is like, I don't need any ice cream. And the dad turns her and goes, what's the matter with you? It's like mad at her for like trying to be good.

Oh, Blanche. So Blanche then storms off. The mom follows her and says, Blanche someday you'll be the one with all the attention. And when that happens, I hope you'll remember to be nicer to your father and to your sister, Jane, than they are to you. She says, I won't forget it.

I won't forget it. Don't you feel like there should, this, how the mother knew that. Very strange. I'm like, I could watch a prequel of like, how does she know Blanche is gonna be a star? Like, how does she, like, and they don't get into any of that,

but it's like somehow the mother is like, can see into the future and is like, because there's no indication that Blanche is a performer. Right. No, she does not seem to be at all. She does not seem to be a performer at all, but the mom is like, don't worry, I somehow know you're going to be a star. Right. And your sister is going to take like, it's like incredible that the mom is called the whole movie. Yeah, pretty wild prediction. And yeah, she's right. We get another Kyron. 1935, we see two

producers in a movie theater watching on screen a film that they have, you know, presumably is not yet out that's just finished. They're hating it. They're watching their lead actresses. This is a young Betty Davis in an earlier movie of hers. And they just keep looking at each other and being like, oh boy, oh brother, oh boy. Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.

Yeah, real like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Stinkers. Real stinker, P.U. Truly that like he turns one of the producers like tells him to cut the movie. And then he's like, she stinks. They're pretty upset. We cut into the projectionist booth and the two projectionists are like

that Jane Hudson, I don't know why those Hudson sisters have to both be in movies. That Jane Hudson is a real stinker and she's never sober. It's like weird exposition lines that are like, OK, great. Got it. Got it. More exposition outside on the studio lot okay, great, got it, got it. More exposition outside on the studio lot, the producers are talking to each other, saying, you know, oh, Blanche is just wonderful, she can do no wrong. Real bummer that her contract hasn't stated

that for every movie she makes, the studio also has to make a movie with Jane. But Blanche is Miss Hollywood, you gotta do what she wants. She's making all the money for this place. One of the producers says to the other, like, will you please go talk to Blanche at the party tonight? Oh, they also mentioned that Jane, again, like she drinks so much and she sleeps with everyone.

They're basically like that drunk slut. Like we got to get rid of her. Then we see up like the parking space with Blanche's car. That's like reserved for Blanche Hudson. Cut to Stark out that same car is driving down a neighborhood street, pulling into the driveway. It's a gorgeous house in Hancock Park. Look at that.

Pulling into the driveway. We see a woman get out to open the gates. Then we have a series of interesting closeups. We see a closeup on the foot pedal, closeup on the gear shift. We hear like the rev of an engine and the car crashes through the gate. We hear a woman scream.

We see a baby Jane doll on the ground with its porcelain forehead cracked open. And then we'd get the opening credits over this like just image of a crash car. Very economical with the setup, I got to say. Truly. Yeah, truly. Then we get a chiron that says yesterday. And this confused me because I was like the day before the accident.

No, it's like the day that you're watching this movie. This was yesterday. You're like, we're in 1962. Every other chiron has given a year. And this one, they're like yesterday. But we're in 1962. Every other Kyron has given a year and this one they're like yesterday, but we're in 1962. We see a different car driving down the street, pulling into the house next to the one we just saw. Woman gets out, goes into her home to find her daughter.

And this was actually Betty Davis's daughter, which is fun, watching a movie on her television. We learn it's a Blanche Hudson movie. We see a younger Joan Crawford. The mother and daughter are watching together like, oh, that Blanche Hudson, what a star. God, she was so fabulous. We learn they live next door to them.

And they're like, we never see Blanche Hudson. And the daughter's like, we only ever see that weird sister. Yeah, we only ever see that like nasty sister, so gross and strange. And the mom says, well, you know, that peculiar sister is the reason why Blanche Hudson doesn't have a career anymore. She's responsible for the accident that crippled her sister.

Oh. Cut two, we see an older Blanche sitting in a wheelchair in her room watching the same movie on television. She's like, you know, a scene happens, she's like, I told him he said that line, you know, not right, but she's also, she's watching it very fondly. She's really like reliving her past.

Yeah. She really plays it up to, I gotta say Joan Crawford as the like, you know, I'm in this wheelchair, but I'm still like noble and I loved my movies. And it was so funny, it's how, like she seems very- So magnanimous. Yes.

Yeah. And yeah, she's like, just such good spirits, you know? Like, oh, isn't it nice? My movie's on television. This is so, and I don't know if we've learned, somewhere around this time that like, her movies have just started coming on to television. So she's having a bit of like a resurgence in her fame.

People are remembering her again. It's like really lovely for her to like see herself on TV. We cut to, we see Jane Hudson in that insane makeup, wild hair. She's like got ringlets like she did, but it's all messy up top, makeup caked on, and she is in the kitchen also watching the movie and being like, ah, just really pissy about it.

And she's drinking while she's watching it, just a total opposite reaction to this movie. She prepares a tray of food, she comes upstairs into Blanche's room, sees her watching the image, she goes like, enjoying yourself? I just wrote it on my notes and I can't remember the context of this,

but she calls Blanche an idiot. She's like, you're an idiot. Blanche thinks it. That's it, Blanche is just like, oh sister. Oh Jane being Jane. Oh Jane. Yeah. You don't really mean it.

Do we get the vibe that they've lived together their whole lives? Yes. Okay. It seems like it. It's been, I mean, so it's, yeah, it's like almost 30 years that they have been in this situation and this house is,

it's gorgeous, two story house, Blanche is in a wheelchair, so she is stuck on the second floor of this house. Presumably. They've made no modifications. They've been no modifications. So she is stuck on the second floor of this house, presumably. They've made no modifications. They've made no modifications. In fact, she's so reliant upon Jane that I found myself wondering at one point, like, how does she go to the bathroom?

Right. But that's never addressed. But it is just like it's to a degree that's like this feels it doesn't have to be this way, but it is this way. And when she brings up the breakfast, it's this ornate tray, all of this silver. It's very nice as she's angrily bringing it up. You're like, oh, you're still giving her this, you're like, what's going on with you two?

You're giving this beautiful breakfast spread, but you're pissed about it. Resentful, but you're like pissed about it. Right, like resentful, but feeling like, I guess I have to do this. Still like caring for her. Yeah. Right, right. And she like throws the tray down and leaves in a way that really upsets Blanche's bird. Blanche has a little like bird in a cage.

So Blanche goes over to the bird and she's like, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay. We see downstairs, Jane is making another tray of food and is drinking more alcohol. I think it literally like is just a bottle that just says like beer, just to really let us know she's drinking. The neighbor woman, the like mother from next door

knocks on the door, she's got a bunch of flowers that she clipped from her garden. Jane answers and she says like, oh, hello, hi, Ms. Hudson. Yes, I cut these flowers. I thought to give to your sister, we were just watching her movie on TV and just wanted to congratulate her on her, you know,

resurgence of her success. It's so nice to see her on the screen again. And you know, thought you might like to give it. Everything Jane's giving her is like, shut the fuck up, shut the fuck up, shut the fuck. Yeah, Jane's not gonna like this. This woman cannot read social cues. She insists upon talking to Jane for this whole movie.

And it's like, I really think he would have stopped by now. But Jane takes the flowers, it's like my sister isn't fit to receive visitors and just slams the door on her face. Tosses the flowers in the sink, does not give them to Blanche, like not interested. Yeah, that sounds like Jane. That sounds like Jane.

And you know what? This woman should know that that seems like Jane. Also Blanche has her button. Yes. I think when it, in the beginning, like when the breakfast, before the breakfast comes, she has this like- A little like call button thing.

Yes. Yeah, but it's like a terrible, it's like- Oh, it's the most annoying. You'll see. Like just like- A little like call button thing. Yes. Yeah, but it's like a terrible, it's like- Oh, it's the most annoying sound. Like just like, right. It would drive you crazy to hear that sound all the time. She does press it a lot. Like I get that she needs help.

Yes. You'd think he'd press it like once someone would know, she'll do it like three or four times. Well, and she'll like hold it down. So it just like keeps going. Like when someone's like three or four times. Well, and she'll like hold it down. So it just like keeps going. Like when someone's like honking excessively. It's like, I heard it. I heard it the first time.

And doesn't seem to think it's annoying. It's just like, oh, I buzzed. It's like, yeah, bitch, you like, you have a bad time. It was too much. Yeah, and her attitude again is like, oh, thanks, you heard my buzzer. It's like, no, no, no, you were being really fucking rude with the buzzer. But so yeah, no, no, no, you were being really fucking rude with the buzzer.

But so yeah, we hear just as Jane comes back in the kitchen, that buzzer's going, and Jane from the kitchen calls, and she's like, all right, you miserable bitch, and grabs the tray, brings it upstairs, and Blanche goes, oh, so I'm sorry for buzzing so much, I just, I wanted to know who was at the door. And Jane's like, oh, she like does like a mock,

mock of her voice. She's like, who was at the door? And she was like, it's just a fucking neighbor. Like who cares, shut up. Takes the birdcage. She's like, I'm gonna clean the birdcage. Takes it out. Uh-oh.

Yeah. Just then Elvira arrives. She, or Elvira, Elvira I think. Elvira sounded too horary to me. I think it's Elvira. She arrives, she's, it seems like, I think she's sort of their housekeeper, but she helps like tend to Blanche. She arrives, Jane just like stares her down.

They clearly hate each other. They do a fun cross, that shot where like, Jane like goes through the door downstairs and she walks up the stairs and they just like size each other up and then go in your separate directions and you're like, oh. Skating looks. I get storytelling, these bitches don't.

Yeah. Yeah, so Elvira goes upstairs to Blanche and is like, have you talked to the doctor yet about Jane? Like you really need to find a place to put her to have her taken care of. Like she shouldn't be here with you. Wait, I'm sorry, Blanche is upstairs? Yes, stuck there.

Only upstairs. I don't know, I was picturing her downstairs, which would make a lot more sense. Wouldn't it? No, she's stuck upstairs. Wow, yeah. Like forever, presumably. Presumably. Okay. Wow. Yeah. Like I don't know when this woman has last seen the sun. Like she's stuck upstairs and

also like in just one room, like just in her bedroom. But doesn't seem upset about it. With this setup does not seem fazed by this setup. Huh? Yeah. it's a real huh, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's got her bird, she's got her TV, she's got her room. She's good. She knits, she knits sometimes. She has a little setup later.

We see she's got like a tray that she plays cards on. You know, she's good. Hey, I get it with that. 30 years up in one room. Spider solitaire. That's as good as anybody could hope for. But yeah, so Blanche is making excuses for Jane basically being like, oh, she's not that bad. You yeah, so Blanche is making excuses for Jane

basically being like, oh, she's not that bad. You know, she's my sister. I just don't want to rush anything. Elvira hands her a stack of mail that she found presumably, I think in the trash, that is all addressed to Blanche. It's like fan mail. It's really adoring, wonderful fan mail. It's all been opened.

Blanche has never seen it before. So Elvira was like, she's taking your mail. She's hiding all this from you. This woman is like, she keeps saying, she's sick. Like she's sick, she needs help. Have you told her you're selling the house? And Blanche is like, oh, you know, it should come from, I'm gonna tell her, but you know, I don't wanna upset her.

And so we learned that Blanche has been planning on selling the house. Well, makes sense. It doesn't seem like it's outfitted for her. It does. She hasn't told Jane, so Jane presumably doesn't know, but this is happening soon. It's been in the works for a while.

And then when it happens, she's already spoken to a doctor who is going to take Jane into presumably his psychiatric facility or whatever. Jane doesn't know any of this. And Blanche is telling Elvira, she's like, oh, you know, I know what Jane is like, but I wish you could have seen her as a child. She was so vivacious and pretty and full of life.

And like, if you'd only known her then, you would feel differently. Cut to Jane is standing in the door, hearing all of this with the bird cage and it's empty. And she goes, I was cleaning it and the bird flew out the window. Sorry, bird's dead, bird's gone. And Blanche is upset about this and Elvira's like, and she just like leaves the cage and is like, sorry, leaves. Elvira's like, you know, she did that on purpose.

Like absolutely that bird didn't just fly away. And so Blanche does say, she's like, I am going to call Dr. Shelby. I promise I'm going to call him today and I'm going to find a place for Jane to be looked after. Meanwhile, we see Jane looking through the pantry for another bottle of alcohol. They're all empty. This pantry is full of empty bottles. Well you always want to hang hang onto them just in case.

Just in case, just in case. So you remember that you need more. So downstairs, there's a little phone we saw out of the trailer, we could zoom in on this phone on a table and she calls the liquor store, says, this is Jane Hudson, I want to place an order for alcohol to be delivered.

And we assume they say over the phone, Blanche told us not to fulfill any more orders for you. And so she says, oh, well, hold on, let me go get Blanche and I'll have her talk to you. Puts the phone away, brings it back. This is Blanche Hudson doing an absolutely perfect Blanche Hudson and the reason it's so perfect is because it's Joan Crawford in voiceover.

So she, you know, managed to convince them. Yes, indeed. Fill this order. And so she's got alcohol coming. Alvira is coming down the stairs and like sees this happen, gives her a look, but doesn't say anything. Leaves. Jane then, like as Alvira leaves, she pulls the phone off the hook or she takes the receiver off the phone base so that no other calls can be made.

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She sees the baby Jane doll sitting in a chair, she walks up to it, she's like, she does a really good job of playing like, very like childlike arrangement. She's got like big innocent eyes and she goes up to the doll and she takes the bow and she puts it on her own head and walks to the middle of the floor and starts performing Letter to Daddy,

doing the same little dance that she did when she was a kid. Blanche from upstairs hears this and is like, oh, this is good. Oh, boy. Jane is still doing her little baby Jane show and as she's turning and doing her little twirl, she catches her reflection in the mirror, sees that she is in fact a much older woman

and just breaks down sobbing. A hag if you will, correct? Is that a hag? Yes, yes. The term is hag. She sees that she's a hag and starts crying. It's really quite sad. Yeah.

Justice is happening because Blanche has been overhearing this. Blanche buzzes for her. And I guess an attempt to like shake her out of it. But again, it's so rude and annoying. It's like the last thing you wanna hear when you're having a breakdown is being like incessantly buzzed from upstairs.

And Jane agrees and from downstairs, she sort of composed herself and says like, all right, you big fat movie star comes upstairs. Oh no, Jane actually at this point, she storms into the kitchen and makes another tray of food. She's like, I guess you want your fucking food that I have to make for you. Prepares a tray, brings it upstairs,

puts it down at Blanche's table. And Blanche decides, I think now is the moment that I'm gonna tell Jane that I'm selling the house. She seems in a good head space. Maybe I'll do this right now. So she says, Jane, you know, there's something I wanna tell you. We're running out of money, unfortunately,

and we're gonna have to have a downsized, smaller house. Oh, the business manager told me we need to sell. This isn't my decision. He said, you know, that's what we have to do. And Jane's like, when did he tell you? When did he tell you this? And she's like, he's like, she said, oh, I got a letter, you didn't get any letter.

I know you didn't get any letter. Oh, he called last week. He hasn't, no he hasn't. I know everything that happens in this house. Nobody called. You called him four weeks ago. I know this was your idea. She's like, fucking knows everything.

Has not been unaware as Blanche has thought. So not a good liar Blanche for being a good actor, apparently. Yeah, not very good. It's like your housekeeper just gave you all the mail that she's been reading. So this letter thing is clearly not going to fly. Yeah, yep. And yeah, Jane's like, you have plenty of money. And guess what?

You're not selling this house because daddy bought this house with my money that I made as baby Jane. She always calls her dad daddy, which I really hate. Yeah. But daddy bought this house with my money and Plange is like, that's not true. This was, I bought this house with my money from movies. She's like, no, you didn't. You're not ever selling this house and guess what?

You're not ever leaving it. And with that, she pulls her phone and just takes it out of the room. So not only is it off the hook, now you just don't have a phone. And again, really nothing Blanche can do there. Really been checkmated once again by the fact that she only occupies one room for her whole life.

Yep, that's all it takes, just taking that phone. So, you know, Blanche is very distressed, but it's time to eat. So she rolls herself over to her beautiful lunch tray. It's like, yeah, gorgeous silver tray with like a bunch of little dishes and silverware and a plate of toast. And then this big, the main dish covered in a cloche.

And she lifts up that cloche. And what do we have? But we have a gorgeous big plate of sliced tomatoes, little cottage cheese and her dead bird. The fact that there is cottage cheese and tomatoes under this bird is so funny. I really can't express to you how she really made it a dish and it's very funny.

And of course, Blanche is horrified, backs away from the tray. Jane, meanwhile, is getting dressed up to go out of the house for whatever reason. Blanche sees this and is like, cause Jane's bedroom is also on the second floor. It's presumably just their two bedrooms and again, maybe a bathroom.

I don't know how Blanche ever gets to it. But the rest of the house is downstairs. So Jane, she sees Jane getting ready to leave and she's like, Jane, please, let's, let's stay and talk. Like, I want us to have a good conversation and like say how we're feeling and be honest with each other. And Jane's like, no, I'm leaving. I have all the power. So when Jane leaves, we see Blanche rolls in, like there's a, you know, a second floor landing where she can see down the stairwell, rolls herself out to it, looks down, looks right at the telephone on the first floor, like sort of just right there. And she prepares, she like starts moving as if she's

gonna get herself out of her wheelchair and go downstairs to that phone. And then she chickens out and she doesn't do it. And she rolls herself back into her room. I definitely thought she was gonna like throw herself down the stairs. Yeah, I really, and you know what? It probably would have been better than what she chooses to do later. I was gonna say, she's got to wait for it

to just get probably much worse. Throughout this movie, man, I, and again, at the end, there's maybe some explanation as to why, but like this whole time I was like, Blanche is really doing the least a person could do in this situation. Like truly- Well, her mom told her to be nice.

Yeah. Truly it's like, there are so many times where it does seem like there are things she could do and she just really doesn't. So Blanche is back in her bedroom and she looks out her window and sees the neighbor lady cutting those flowers in her garden. She can see her right down outside of her room and we see Blanche being like, okay, maybe I can, you would think call out the window because she is just simply, I mean, she's on the second floor, but like noise will travel.

She could yell. Yeah. But she doesn't, but she is thinking like, okay, there's maybe something I can do here. In the future, bookmarking it? But she's bookmarking it. Meanwhile, we see Jane, her errand that she went to take was to go to the local newspaper. She has placed an ad in the paper.

So she's paying for this ad. And as she's placing it, they asked like, what name do you want for the ad? And she goes, Jane Hudson. And he's like,, they ask like, what name do you want for the ad? And she goes, Jane Hudson. He's like, OK, she says, maybe you remember me. I was baby Jane Hudson. And they're like, oh, yeah, definitely.

And she leaves and they're like, who the fuck was that? You guys, they do this. Those two extras did a yeah, a strong performance of who is the. The reactions to Jane by everyone in this movie are really, really special. We'll get to the best of them in a little bit. But meanwhile, we see Blanche in her room

and she's at her typewriter, typing up a letter, again, rather than just using her voice to call to the woman that she can see with her two eyes, writing a whole letter, basically like, I'm trapped, I need to have access to Dr. Shelby. She puts in Dr. Shelby's phone number, call Dr. Shelby, tell him he needs to come here immediately. And then at the end of the letter, she writes,

under no circumstances should you share the contents of this letter with my sister, Jane Hudson. Signed, Blanche Hudson. How could that get misconstrued? And then what she does is she balls it up into a ball, throws it out the window, hoping it will land near her neighbor, doesn't call out to her,

just drops a crumpled up piece of paper down two stories. It lands basically between her driveway and the neighbor's driveway, just as Jane is pulling in. Oh boy. Jane is getting ready to come into the house. The neighbor comes up to talk to her, again being like, Jane hates you. Jane doesn't wanna fucking talk to you.

Like stop trying to talk to Jane. But she does. I don't even remember why she just starts talking to her. And they're standing truly one woman, other woman note in between their feet. Just like a huge balled up piece of paper. No one sees this paper somehow. Somehow, but Blanche is seeing this.

She's like looking out her window, it's like, oh my God, they're both standing in a piece of paper. How could this have been avoided? Looks away and we see Jane picks, of course, picks up a piece of paper. How could this have been avoided? Looks away and we see Jane picks, of course, picks up this piece of paper, takes it inside, Blanche looks back out, the paper's gone, and she's like, who got it?

Maybe it was the right person. Maybe it was the wrong person, I don't know. Jane reads the note, of course, and brings Blanche up her next tray of food, comes into the room and shows her the note. She's like, look at this note I just found. And Blanche confronts her and does say like, you're only able to treat me this way

because I'm in this chair. Like, it's not right that you would treat me this way. And Jane, oh, Jane does say like under no circumstances should anyone show the contents of this letter to Jane Edson. It's just like fuck you bitch you are stuck whether you like it or not. Leaves Blanche goes over to her tray she puts her hand out to open the cloche pulls it away goes to do it again she's too scared she can't even look at the food, backs away crying. Can't even eat.

You don't have any more birds, ma'am. I was gonna say, what could it even be? Also like to the side, uncloshed is a plate of toast where it's like at the very least eat this toast. It's like there is, eat the toast. Like there's food. I mean, I guess you think maybe she's done all, but it's like, honey, eat the toast.

Cut to you, we see a man playing the piano in some other apartment, we've never seen this man before, and he sees Jane's ad in the paper, he circles it, and we see the ad says, established star requires a companyist to work on songs and dance numbers for nightclubs, personal appearances, etc. Must be experienced and versatile musician. Call Ms. Jane Hudson. It's also worth noting this man is drinking a big old glass of milk. His mom comes home, never a good sign. His mom comes home, she has a really funny vibe.

Their vibe is they're like, they're British, but in a like sort of cockneyish, you know, like it's clear that they're British, but in a sort of cockneyish British, it's clear that they're not upper crust people. Posh. They're not very posh. And she's like, oh yeah, I went to the doctor, still can't work because I've got arthritis, or that was a tear, I don't know what accident I'm doing.

She's being funny. And he's like, oh yeah, well, you can't work, of course. So they're very frustrated with each other. But she sees that he has found this ad, and she's like, oh my God, you have to call, you have to try to get this job. And she's like, I know, I'll call, I'll pretend to be your secretary.

So she calls Jane and is like, I'm Mr. Flagg's secretary, and he's very interested in your ad. And Jane's so excited, oh my gosh, yes, come over at 4 p.m. today. And they're like, great, appointment set, perfect. Blanche buzzes Jane back upstairs, Jane comes up and Blanche says, Jane, you didn't bring me my breakfast. I'm so hungry, why don't you bring me breakfast?

She goes, cause you didn't eat your din din. You still have this tray right here, I thought maybe you're not hungry, I'm not gonna bring you breakfast, you didn't eat your din din. I want to see din din too, she says din din gonna bring you breakfast. You didn't eat your din din. I want to dip in too. She says din din four times. It's not dinner, it's din din.

Because she's like a little child right now. And Blanche is like, why are you starving me? Like, I'm so hungry. I'm so hungry. And Jane opens the cloche, regular dinner, and she's like, what's wrong with you? This is totally, she starts eating like a T-bone steak right off the fucking bone. And I was like, I don't know what's wrong with you.

This din din was totally fine, and I'm not gonna bring you food, I guess you have to wait till lunch because you didn't eat your din din. And Blanche says to her, Jane, if anything were to happen to me, there wouldn't be anybody here to sign your checks. Like you wouldn't have any money.

Did you ever think of that? And Jane just looks right at her and says, I did, and walks out of the room. We're not comforted by this. Elvira arrives for her day of work. Jane says to her, she says, you know, I wanna apologize for being so rude to you. And so as a thank you to you, I cleaned up around here

so you can have the day off and I'll still pay you and you can just take the day off and you don't have to come back until next week. And Elvira is a little suspicious, but is like, okay, thanks, see you next week. Also Elvira never shows up looking like she's ready to do the work of a house cleaner. Like she shows up in like a suit and like heels

and dressed very nicely, which is why like at first I didn't realize she was the housekeeper. And I'm like, oh, is that what you're gonna clean? I mean like. Yeah, it's kind of unclear like what exactly the parameters of her job are. She's really there to be like a friend to Blanche, I guess. Cause she is, yeah, they have a lovely little rapport,

but she's like, okay, I guess I'm gonna leave. Again, Blanche sees Elvira arrive. Starts scribbling another note. Yes. Yeah, she does nothing. She is really doing herself no favors. Doesn't bring the buzzer. Nothing.

Not that buzzer, girl. Nope. Nothing at all. Later, we see Blanche is just knitting, knitting in her room, keeping herself occupied. Jane comes in with her next tray of food, plops it down on her table, and as she's leaving says,

Blanche, do you know we have rats in the cellar? Walks out of the room. Blanche goes over to her lunch tray. She's nervous, but she's like, surely you know, fool me once. Open up that cloche and it's a plate of tomatoes with a dead rat on top. Big rat, huge rat, way bigger than the bird.

Absolutely massive dead rat. She screams, backs away, and then this is a very distressing part, just starts sobbing and wheeling herself in circles. Just circles and circles and circles. It's really not nice to see. Oh my God. It is then, it's 4 p.m.

It's time for this interview. This is Edwin Flagg. He arrives for his appointment and immediately he's doing a very poshified British accent. He's like, oh hello, yes, I'm Edwin Flagg here for my appointment. We see that he's actually very dopey, but Jane is absolutely buying it, eating it up.

She's like, oh, sit right in here. I'll make us some tea. And he says, oh yes, I love tea. You probably presumed that I'm English. And so Jane goes to make him tea. He starts sort of wandering around the house, looking around, he sees little photos of baby Jane and he's immediately a little bit like,

this place is kind of weird, it's kind of a weird vibe. Blanche, once again, knows that someone has arrived in the house, you know, heard the doorbell, and he can hear people downstairs. She, I believe at one point, goes, hello, like so quietly as if she's trying to get his attention, and it doesn't work because nobody would ever be able to hear that, and just goes goes, hello. Like so quietly as if she's trying to get his attention and it doesn't work because nobody would ever be able to hear that and just goes like, darn.

Like just really not. Really not doing anything. Just absolutely foiled. Not to victim blame, but she isn't doing a lot. Yeah, yeah. Jane comes in with the tea. She offers Edwin, she's like, I always think it's so lovely to break bread

with new friends and like holds out a plate full of cookies for him to like take one and he just takes the whole plate and sits down with it and starts eating cookies. She tells him that she is the baby Jane Hudson and she wants to revive her old act exactly as it was. And he listens to this, has a look at his face like, oh, and then says, well, I can't see how that would fail. Jane is over the moon. She is thrilled to have somebody in her corner and says like, we should look, you know what,

we should go look over all my old scrapbooks. You can get an idea of what the show looked like. You could see my costume, see the photos. And he's like, well, that is a wonderful idea. They go into the living room where the scrapbooks. You can get an idea of what the show looked like. You could see my costumes, see the photos, and he's like, well, that is a wonderful idea. They go into the living room where the scrapbooks are. Just then Blanche hits that buzzer, buzzin' Jane to come on up. Jane's like, oh, excuse me one second.

Goes upstairs, and she goes up to Blanche's room, and she just pulls the buzzer out of the wall, which is like, yeah, of course. She's like, well, now you can't buzz me. And Blanche is trying to placate her and is like, I just wanted to know who was here. And I think it's really great that you have a new friend and maybe we could all come down. You could bring me down and I could meet him

and we could all talk and have a nice time. And Jane says, oh, you wanna meet my friend? Maybe you wanna take him for yourself. Slaps her across the face and leaves. And I think this is coded. Yeah. I really think, I don't know if that line was actually in the script or if that was Adlib,

but at the very least we know there's a lot of substance behind that line. Later find out the slap wasn't scripted. She just slapped her across the face. Downstairs we see Edwin has found the sheet music for Letter to Daddy, our favorite song. And he starts playing it. Jane walks into the room.

My favorite song, he's playing it. She starts singing. I wrote a letter to daddy. And she's singing and doing her little dance. This absolutely, he got nominated for an Oscar, Victor Bono for this performance. And I really think it was this scene and his facial reactions to what she's doing.

It keeps cutting him and he's just like, really doing so much with his face, just to be like, oh boy, this is really not right. He's like witnessing someone have a mental break. Yeah. An unwell woman? Yeah, a six year old woman do a baby child performance and like in another universe entirely. Yeah.

But we already know he's, you know, he needs a job. He needs to be here. He can, he's aware of like, she's so easy for him to play cause she's desperate and again, like in the middle of a nervous breakdown. And so she finishes the song and he tells her that was wonderful. And after the song, they start talking about, she mentions like, oh, my daddy,

he would have loved to meet my daddy. And he talks about his dad as well. Oh, my dad was actually also a famous actor, but you wouldn't know him, but he was very classically trained. He did Shakespeare, but that was all over in England. So again, you wouldn't really know. But, and he keeps, he's like going on and on

and keeps like complaining about his bitch mom, Delia. Delia doesn't even wanna die. Like, and Jane keeps trying to talk about her shit and he keeps cutting her off and being like, keeps complaining about his bitch mom, Delia. Delia doesn't even wanna die. Jane keeps trying to talk about her shit and he keeps cutting her off and being like, you know what Delia did the other day? My God, Delia is so annoying. I love that scene.

That scene felt like living in Los Angeles because they're both, the way that he would say something and then she would just go back to some baby Jane bullshit and then she'd be like, neither of them are listening and they would, they just both had separate conversations together. That sounds very fun. And they're, and they're both, and they're like, Jane is loving it. Jane's like, oh my God. She's also clearly like attracted to him. She just like, Jane doesn't interact with people except for Blanche really. And so she's like, someone thinks she's brilliant

and talented and he's a man and he's younger and she's like, oh my God, I'm in love with him. He's like, okay, well we need to talk about pay. She says, of course, what do you think is fair? And he says, well, I would have to leave all my pupils so I would need to be sure that there is, he doesn't have any pupils. And she says, how's a that there is he doesn't have any pupils and she says how's a

a hundred and he doesn't react just says a week obviously uh he says well that would be just fine and she says I'll pay you all I'll pay you up front I'll need a I'll need a few days to get some affairs and order some family things but why don't we start on Wednesday and I'll pay you up front and he's like that sounds great she is I'll pay you upfront. And he's like, that sounds great. She is, I mean, truly like a little kid who just like has all their birthday presents. Like she's just like, yay, it's gonna be so fun, it's so fun, it's so good.

She's like, well, let me drive you home. Like we should go to dinner. And he's like, ideally it needs to be home for dinner. And she's like, well, I'll drive you home. Just so, so, so happy. So she leaves to drive Edwin home. So Blanche is once again alone in the house, absolutely starving because she can't eat the toast

and she can't eat the dead animals. And so she goes into Jane's room and is opening all the drawers. She finds like so many empty boxes of chocolates, like a Seize Candy type box of chocolates with all the little individual wrappers and they're all empty. She's opening drawers, she opens a drawer and it is, this one type box of chocolates with all the little individual wrappers and they're all empty. She's opening drawers, she opens a drawer

and it is, this one is full of chocolates, but there are some in there. So she just starts shoving them in her mouth. She's starving. The foley for the way she's eating these chocolates is absolutely insane. It's like, sounds no mouth makes, but they're really, really hammering on

that she's absolutely famished eating these chocolates. As she eats all these chocolates, it uncovers that they were all sitting on top of an old headshot of Blanche's that's been signed. We see that Jane has scratched Blanche's face out. Never a good sign. And beneath the headshot is a sheet of paper

with the practiced signature Blanche Hudson over and over and over again. And then beneath that is a checkbook where we see that Jane has been signing checks as Blanche Hudson, duh. Yep. Blanche is of course horrified. He's need to commit check fraud back then to all of this.

Yeah, very easy. Very easy to get away with. Yeah. So once again, Blanche wheels herself out onto that landing. She looks down at the phone and she decides, you know what, I gotta do it. Things are dire enough that I gotta get myself down these stairs.

And she does it in what I believe to be the worst possible way to have gotten oneself down these stairs wouldn't you Scoot yes, you would down Stair by stair and just push yourself, you know, you'd like you would down. Does she go face first? No, but even that I honestly think would have been better What she does is she stands herself up using the banister, leans her upper body over it

and pulls her upright self down the banister. So holding up all of her weight. That sounds really hard. Really hard. It's so easy to topple face first down these stairs. They added a lot of sweat so you knew it really hard. Really hard. It's so easy to topple face first down these stairs. They added a lot of sweat so you knew it was hard. Yeah. They did a, the makeup made sure she looked sweaty.

Yeah. So you were like, this was difficult. I really couldn't believe why on earth a person would make this choice. Wild. It really does seem like the actual worst possible way to do this. It also takes a really long time.

So she's really working very fucking hard to get herself down the stairs. We're seeing, you know, she just makes it down towards the phone. She's finally there. As of course, Jane is pulling into the driveway driveway. It's taking like an hour to do But she gets to the phone. She calls dr. Shelby. She's like, I need to talk to him urgently Dr. Shelby gets on the phone. She tells him Jane is not well. He says do you mean to tell me that she's wild? I'm like, I guess this is how doctors said things. She does not get to the fucking point No, it takes her like she's like, something's wrong with, with Jade.

Like she, he has to ask so many questions. He doesn't just, and it's like, she's unwell. And he's like, mentally, like emotionally. She's like, yes, emotionally. It's like, just start with that. Yeah. She brought me dead animals on a plate. She's committing identity fraud.

Yeah. Like also it's, she could have and should have just called 911. brought me dead animals on a plate. She's committing identity fraud. Like also it's, she could have and should have just called 911. And then it's like, I'm locked in my room and I need help. I'm a prisoner in my home. She doesn't do any of these things. She does a long, really long drawn out phone call

to Dr. Shelby that does finally end with him being like, so you're saying I need to come over right now. And she's like, yes. Is that what you're saying? Yes, you need to come over right now. And she's like, yes. Is that what you're saying? Yes, you need to come over right now. Jane is unwell. And of course, Jane has heard this whole conversation. Jane was home.

Jane is standing in the hallway. Blanche like very slowly looks over, sensing her presence. And is like, okay, goodbye. Hangs up the phone and is like, that was just, I was just, and Jane's like, I know who that was, that was Dr. Shelby. And Jane comes over to Blanche, kicks her in the fucking head.

Oh boy. And then kicks her a bunch of times. Kicks her and kicks her and kicks her. And a trivia here is that Joan Crawford demanded a body double because she didn't trust that Betty Davis wouldn't actually hurt her. I feel like that was probably a smart call. Well, and there was one close up

where they couldn't use a body double because it was a close up on Joan Crawford's face. And reports vary on this, but Joan Crawford alleges she hit her hard enough that she needed stitches, while Betty Davis says she barely touched her. Either way, Blanche is knocked out. So Jane calls Dr. Shelby back,

does her pitch perfect Blanche impression and says, oh my gosh, I'm so glad I caught you before you left. You don't need to come anymore. I didn't realize Jane found herself a new doctor. And so that doctor's coming and it would be actually unethical for you to like come and interfere with that doctor's treatment. So we're all good. And he says, okay, great. Again, not a thing that could have happened if she called 911. But right, she did it. Also, you know, she keep her timing makes me realize like, Oh, right,

like when LA has no traffic, you can zip around back and forth. Yeah, because every time she has to go somewhere, you're like, surely this will take a while. And she gets back so fast. And I'm like, yeah, I guess in 1962, the traffic was quite like, you can like get around. Functioned like a regular place. Yeah.

Yeah, cause she really, her errands are quick. Her errands are very quick. It's not, she doesn't have to like set aside half a day, which is what I have to do. Yes. So later we see Jane getting ready to leave again She doesn't have to set aside half a day, which is what I have to do. So later we see Jane getting ready to leave again and go out and we see Elvira arriving and Jane, they're having this conversation out on the driveway and Jane's like, oh, actually we're moving.

We're selling this house, we're moving to the seaside and we don't need you anymore and you're fired and I'll pay you, but give me your key back and you don't ever need to come back. Elvira is of course like, well, I want to talk to Blanche and Jane's like, you can't, she's asleep. So, and I actually need you to leave. I'm leaving and you need to leave.

And she's like, okay, well, I don't have my key with me. So I'll have to go get it and bring it to you another time. And Jane's like, okay, fine, well, good bye, leave, leave, leave. And she's like, okay fine, well goodbye, leave, leave, leave. And she's like, okay. So Jane drives off, we see of course Elvira watched her leave and is like, well I'm gonna go into the house now. So Elvira goes into the house, she goes up to Blanche's room, knocks on the door, the door is locked.

She's immediately like, well this is very bad, I have to get into this room. She's calling to Blanche. Blanche isn't answering. Once again, I do feel as though Blanche could have been making noise. We'll get to that, but she's trying to get into the room, doesn't have a key to the room.

So she goes to get a pick and a hammer and she's gonna like break the door down. She's going through the hinges. Oh, yes, yes. They're all super quick. So she like making the pick and the hammer and trying to like break the hinges on the door. Right.

As opposed to like the lock. Yeah. Which like, how strong was that lock anyway? Right. And again, again, not to victim blame, but I do feel like the first thing you do is call 911. There's a woman locked in her room, unresponsive. She's in a wheelchair.

Like, I think we should just look into this. Yeah. She doesn't do that. This is a horror movie about incompetence. It's about how scary. Which again, not that we can trust the cops when we call them, but somebody external to the situation should have been brought in in some capacity.

She might need medical attention. Yeah. So Elvira is trying to break down the door. This is going to be a lengthy process. And of course, because errands are so quick here, Jane is coming back. Oh, Jane has gone. We saw she went to the bank to cash one of Blanche's checks.

The bank is suspicious of her, but does it anyway. They're like, well, it's kind of weird the way you're doing this, but I suppose we gotta trust you. Hands her a bunch of cash, we see Jane are coming back home, this neighbor lady again, insisting upon talking to Jane, goes up to her and says, oh Jane, I wondered, I needed a little extra help around the house

and I wondered if I could hire your cleaning lady to come a few days to my house. And Jane's like, you can have her as much as you want, she doesn't work for me anymore, I just fired her. So you'll have to like talk to her some other time. This bitch is like, I could talk to her right now, she's inside your house. Oh no. I just saw her right now. She's inside your house. Oh no.

I just saw her go in, she's in there. Jane, of course, is like, fuck. Runs inside, sees Elvira trying to break down the door. Still, no, the same hinge. Yeah, she's made zero progress. Yeah. And Elvira confronts her and is like, why is the door locked?

That's a fire hazard, the door shouldn't be locked. What if there'd been a fire in there? And Jane goes, well, there wasn't. She's like, it doesn't matter. I need to get in and see Blanche. I need to know that she's okay. Give me the key to this door. And Jane says, fine.

Here's the key, gives her the key. Elvira takes that key, puts her hammer down. Oh no. Unlocks the door, goes in and sees Blanche duct tape over her mouth, hands tied up above the bed. But again, like wasn't making any noise when Elvira was calling to her

from the other side of the door. She was probably going, help, help me. I know, I really feel like they like could have explained at the beginning of the movie that she has a vocal disorder. It's like this woman cannot speak above a whisper. Really, really unfortunate. And Elvira's horrified. Oh my gosh.

I'm gonna call the police. Finally. And you better believe, up behind her comes Jane with that hammer and hammers her in the head. Yep. Oh boy. Meanwhile, we see Edwin is getting ready

to go over to see Jane. Today is the day that he's supposed to start his job, get all of his upfront payment. We see Jane is now completely wasted. She is sitting on the floor in the living room looking at all her old pictures and newspaper clippings about baby Jane. She's very distraught over what she has done.

Like she's not, you know, this woman is not well. She is like disassociating from what she has done, completely wasted, crying, just like not, this is not a good place that she is in. Edwin is ringing the doorbell, he's there, he wants his money, it's time to start his job. She like peers back the curtains and she's like, Edwin, I can't let you in, I can't let you in.

He gets pissed, he thinks he's being stood up, he's not gonna make his money, he says, go to hell and storms off and she's so sad and she's just, what am I going to do? Later that night, we see Jane pushing out of the door, what we understand to be Elvira's body in Blanche's wheelchair, just like covered in a sheet. Just like the most fucking three stooges,

like moving of a body. And she, you know, it's dark out, it's the middle of the night, wheels her into the garage, puts her in the trunk, getting ready to get into the car. This fucking neighbor comes over to talk to her. I said, she's like, oh, I thought the lights were on and you don't want your battery to be dead. It's like, I cannot believe the number of times

this woman comes to talk to Jane. It is completely insane. It doesn't seem at all suspicious of her. No. Picture it face value, believes everything she says. Completely insane and doesn't seem at all suspicious of her Ficture at face value believes everything she says is it like this weird lady? I never see her sister Maybe I should inquire about this or call the police just completely buys it. Yep So yeah, we think like oh, maybe that nothing happens. She just leaves. Okay. Have a nice night Jane drives away, presumably to dispose of this body somewhere.

Edwin goes home really distraught about not having the money, not having this job. His mom decides now's the time to tell him, well, yeah, that Jane Hudson, she tried to kill Blanche. She tried to run over her with her car and then she left her there for three days. She left her there to die. She was found three days later in a motel room

with some guy who she didn't even know his name. Because she's a huge slut. She's a huge slut. To which Edwin replies, "'Isn't that how I was conceived?' Storms out." Wow. Jane has made it back home and the phone rings.

She thinks it might be Edwin. Excited answers the phone. It's the police calling because a missing person's report has been filed for Elvira because she is now a missing person. And she's like, oh, we haven't seen her in a while. And they're like, okay, well, we're gonna call some other addresses that she, you know,

where she's been working, but we'll probably have to follow up with you." She's like, okay. Jane goes upstairs, Blanche, oh my gosh, I need your help. What am I gonna do? What am I gonna do? And she says, you know, like, we should just run away to the seashore.

And you know, it wasn't my fault. Like, I didn't wanna do that to Elvira. I didn't mean to, just like, your accident wasn't my fault. I didn't wanna do it. You know that it wasn't my choice. She starts reminiscing about, she's like, oh, remember when we would just practice on the beach

and me and daddy, we would dance on the beach and we just need to go run away and do that. Meanwhile, the phone is ringing again. She's pulled off Blanche's duct tape at this point. Phone is ringing and Blanche tells Jane, she's like, that might be Edwin. Like you should go get the phone, it might be Edwin. And Jane's like, oh, you're right, we can't run away.

What about Edwin? Puts the duct tape back over her mouth, ties her back up, and is like, thanks, bye. Turns out, oh, it was the front doorbell ringing. So Jane runs downstairs, opens the door. It's the police with Edwin. He is wasted and he was drunk on her front lawn and they're like,

Ms. Hudson, this man says he was here to see you. Is that true? Otherwise we'll take him away. Again, Blanche doing nothing. I mean, I guess she's tied up now, but like, I don't know, man. Okay, fine, I'm gonna give it to Blanche this time. Sure.

But Jane is like, no, no, no, he can come in. So they let him in. He is angry. He confronts her about not paying him. She's like, I have your money. I have your money. Stay here. Let's have a drink.

Brings them to the kitchen, pours them both a drink. And it's like, let me go get your money. In the meantime, here, look at this, brings him a baby Jane doll. And it's like, isn't this doll so amazing? I love this doll. Come hang out with her. He puts the baby Jane doll on his lap

and he's just sort of like drunkenly like, isn't this doll so amazing? Love this doll, come hang out with her. He puts the baby Jane doll on his lap and he's just sort of like drunkenly like, whoa. Yeah, I guess it is pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of funny. We see meanwhile upstairs that Blanche has somehow managed, she's like managed to untie herself. I guess Jane did it kind of quickly this last time. And so she has managed to untie herself and she's working on trying to knock over her bedside table

to try to make a noise. Pretty good plan. Okay. Or she could have taken the tape off. She did take the tape off, but she didn't yet. Because she can't. Because she physically can't. She's not capable of it. So Jane is going to get the cash that she took out at the bank to give to Edwin. Meanwhile, Edwin, very drunk, has found the wheelchair, is sitting in the wheelchair with baby Jane Doe on his lap, wrapped in the sheet that Jane wrapped Elvira's dead body in and is wheeling himself around the house being like,

weee! Oh God. Really interesting choice here. Jane comes down the stairs, sees the dead body sheet on the wheelchair, screams, tells him, get off there. Just then Blanche finally manages to knock her table over. Edwin hears it, runs upstairs, like what is that?

Gets in, sees Blanche tied up, emaciated from two days of not eating, and she says as loudly as a woman can scream, help me, help me. He freaks out, runs out of the house. Jane is like, no, no, no, no, no, don't leave, don't leave. He runs out the front door. Jane stands on the stairs, watching him, and she goes, he hates me. Oh, he hates me.

Then she realizes he's going to tell. So she runs upstairs to untie Blanche. She's like, we gotta get out of here. He's gonna tell on me. So she unties her and drags her off the bed. Now Blanche is paralyzed from the waist down, so she's dragging her off the bed, difficult thing to do, little bit of trivia.

Knowing that Davis had back problems, Crawford made herself as heavy as possible, either by filling her pockets with rocks, wearing a weight lifter's belt, or simply making yourself dead weight, depending on which report you believe, and deliberately ruined several takes, forcing Davis to drag her around again and again

until she was in agony. Oh my god, incredible. Incredible. And you can see, she is really, she is dead fucking weight in this scene. Oh my god, that's so funny. So funny. Jane puts Blanche into the car, into the passenger seat.

I always love this when you just, this happens in Mission Impossible Rogue Nation, or maybe it's Fallout, it's Fallout, where they kidnap the villain and they put him in the passenger seat of the car, just like sitting up so obviously like, here's my captive, really makes me laugh. It's the one and only note I have

on any Mission Impossible movie, which are all otherwise perfect. So she takes Blanche, drives off with her. We see they've arrived at the beach, Jane's happy place. We see Jane walking along the shore, like that sort of like happy little dance walk you do when you're just like, oh, I'm absolutely in heaven. We just see Blanche lying again, dead weight in the sand.

This is the middle of the night. We see, you know, morning come, beach is full of people, a whole crowd, everyone's hanging out, having a great beach day, including Jane having fun. She goes up to like a group of like some little girls who were throwing a ball back and forth and takes it and like throws it to them.

And it's like, wee, again. Come pull the little girls. Nobody notices a woman just lying, dead weight, fully clothed, lying, not moving, face up on the sand. Jane comes up and sits next to her. We see a person sitting on the beach reading a newspaper and we see a story in the newspaper about Elvira's body having been discovered in Ventura County.

They're trying to figure out what happened to her. We see somebody else is listening to a radio play and the story is saying that Jane Hudson, we believe to have kidnapped her sister, Blanche Hudson, presumably Edwin managed to tell somebody and they went to the house, nobody was there. So yeah, we believe that Jane Hudson kidnapped Blanche Hudson, we're on the lookout for them.

We're hearing this new story play at like a beachside bar that's like literally on this exact beach where they are. Two cops are sitting at the bar, hearing the story, talking to each other, talking to the guy running the bar, being like, pretty crazy, hope we find her. It's like, you are here. You are here where she is. Someone does come up to the bar and says like,

hey, there's a car parked just like in the middle of the road that I had to drive around. And the guy tending bar is like, yeah, that's been here all night. It was here when I got here first thing in the morning. And the cops were like, huh. They get up, they go over to the car, they're like, yep, this is Jane Hudson's car.

Okay, great, she's here. This is the type of detective work that I could do. I could handle that. Yeah, yeah, I could do this much. I could do this much. Jane is sitting next to Blanche on the beach and Blanche says to her, Jane, I need a doctor. Like, I'm dying and if I die, you'll be alone.

And Jane, I need to tell you something. I made you waste your whole life thinking you'd crippled me. You didn't do it, Jane. I crippled myself. You weren't driving that night. You were too drunk. I made you open the gates and you'd been so cruel to me that night at the party.

I wanted to run you down, but you saw the car coming. So I hit the gates and I snapped my spine. Jane says, you mean all this time we could have been friends? Oh my God. Also importantly, she's like at the party, you made a joke about me and I was so mad. Like she's like, you made a joke and I was so mad.

And it's like, that's it. That you wanted to kill her? That's all it took. It doesn't reference anything, but like we were at a party and you made a cruel joke. You were like mean, I didn't like it. Yeah. Huh.

And so yeah, Blanche continues, I managed to crawl out of the car. When they found me, they assumed it was your fault. You were so drunk and confused, you didn't know any better. You weren't ugly then, I made you that way. Oh God. Jane takes this really well. She says, oh great, I'll go get us some ice cream.

Do you want some ice cream? She gets up, she goes to that same bar to order ice cream. She orders two big strawberries, please. He gives her two cones. She starts walking off. He says, that'll be 40 cents. She says, thank you. Just runs away with her ice cream.

She's walking down to the beach with her two cones and the police see her and run to her. And they're like, oh my God, there she is, Jane Hudson. And the crowd of people at the beach also see this. They're like, oh, whoa, these cops are talking to this woman. Like what, we need to all gather around and see what's happening. Huge crowd of people rush and like surround them.

So it's basically like forming a whole circle with Jane and the two cops in the center. Jane sees this and is like, oh my God, an audience. They're all looking at me. And she does start twirling and doing her little baby Jane dance. And she's so happy. She's having the absolute time of her life

as they're doing this, as she's twirling around the cop sea finally Blanche's body laying on the sand. They run up to her. We sort of pull back the end. Wow. I think she also says, I'm dying. Yeah, she's like. she also says, I'm dying. Yeah, she's like. Blanche says, I'm dying.

And then she goes. Yeah. And that's it. That's what happened. That's whatever happened to baby Jane. Wow. A real twist ending there. Pretty wild.

Huh. Yeah. Huh. Huh. Yeah. Huh? Huh. Yeah, we don't know if Blanche lives or dies. Doesn't really matter. Not eating. Yeah.

Did she get the ice cream? Yeah, I mean, she did have a bunch of chocolates. I feel like you can't die that quickly. Maybe it was the kicking. Yeah, also probably she hasn't had any water and that would kill you. The water would be more pressing. Anyway, there it is.

That's the movie. Wow, I loved it. Don't let children act is really what we learned from this. Children should not act. And it does. So I was like, OK, maybe maybe that's why she never tries that hard to get away or to like put any of this on Jane because she knows it wasn't actually Jane's fault and she's the real villain here. So it makes some of her choices maybe

make more sense that she was like, I don't, I don't deserve to get away. I don't deserve. Yeah. Because otherwise it really is like, honey, honey. Yeah, you are. There's a lot of things you could have done differently, but maybe she didn't want to, you know? Codependency. It's really, it's like a horror movie about personality disorders and actors and codependency. Yeah.

Yeah, cause it's also like, Jane was not well, right? And certainly thinking she had crippled her sister would make it worse. Yeah. But it is also, I can't imagine she was like very mentally healthy before this. So it is a real like, it's a real interesting exploration of what child stardom does to a person.

What stardom does in general, because Blanche was a regular adult star and she let her sister believe that she ran her over with a car. Because of a joke. Because of a joke. Because she was meeting at a party. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Wow. Really incredible and absolutely iconic that these two, yeah, decided to do this movie.

I also I love that Joan Crawford plays the like noble suffering sister. And but then Betty Davis, like getting the Oscar for it, like it's kind of a you know, I mean, like she comes across better in the movie, but like Betty Davis, like looks bad and like is terrible, but like gets the Oscar. And it's like, yeah, you both kind of like. Yeah, it's taken out kind of appropriately for both of you. Yeah. Yeah. And Joan Crawford said a lot of shit about Betty Davis's performance in this movie, being like, oh, yeah, sure. She could just like put on crazy makeup and do her big character thing.

And, you know, what I was really acting and she was really just over the top. I wonder if they did any like press or promo together or if it was just primarily them alone talking shit on the other person like that. I think it was on primarily alone because they did. There was a trivia about they each of them had like a stake in the movie's performance financially. And so they did push pretty hard to like make sure the movie did well, but I don't think it happened together. Right. Yeah, that makes sense. It makes me want to watch that Ryan Murphy. I'm going

to watch it. I'm going to watch it. I never saw it, but I'm my interest is peaked and yeah, my interest is is absolutely peaked. I would love to see a recreation of the drama between these two. Apparently they did a TV series, Whatever Happened to Baby Jane, in like 91, with I think Vanessa and Lynn Redgrave, real life sisters. Okay. I don't know if it's any good,

because it does seem like they should absolutely remake this fucking movie Not that we need to remake everything but like I want more of this some version of whatever happened to baby jane and like Whatever is happening with britney spears feels Right. Yeah. Yes in that mansion I don't know what's going on there. She like puts them videos, it's unclear, she doesn't seem super well.

You're like, where's her dad? Like, it's like there's- Like childhood trauma. Yes, you don't have to do an exact remake, but I feel like inspired by with that story. The horror of that. Yes. Well, cause it is really scary.

I feel like misery's a little bit in that as well of just like being completely trapped by somebody who does not have your best intentions in mind is very scary. Yeah. But I do like the campiness of this as well. And so, but yeah, I would love to see a little remake or inspiration by, inspired by. But yeah, I will definitely, I will definitely be watching the Ryan Murphy series. Yeah. Yeah. Cause also that's, that one stars Susan Sarandon

and Jessica Lange, which is like, yeah, that sounds like a great time. Yep. Sign me up. Sign me up. And maybe date each other and then it can just continue. That would have been- Oh, that'd be fun. Yep. Sign me up. Sign me up. And maybe date each other. And then I can just continue. That would have been- That'd be fun.

That'd be very fun. Yeah. I'm not saying I want people to hate each other, but I'm just saying if you do make a meal of it, please. Yeah, make it juicy. Make it count. Make it fun. It's like pretty low.

It's like they were, there's those like Hollywood bullshit. Like who accepts an Oscar? Like that isn't important. Like they're, it's, it's your high to them, but they're not high for life. Right. So it's like, yeah, hate someone on that level.

That's like, Yes. Yeah. That's what we need more. Like do what you can within the realm of like, it's not actually. You're just like making their day a little worse. You're not really.

Yeah. Again, I feel like Brian Cox and Jeremy Strong, he's just like, he's just so annoying. He's just really annoying to work with. Oh yeah, and him being like, I didn't watch The Apprentice, I watched A Real Pain. He said that recently. Yeah.

It's just so funny. It's just that Jeremy Strong will never fight back. You know, I'm like, oh, come on, man. That's true, that's true. He's just gonna take it and then like. Yeah, so it's not as fun. Yeah, we need the cattiness that was. It's like if somehow Brian Cox and Kieran Kolkin

didn't like each other, that would be funny. I feel like yes, that would be. That would be fun. That would be a bigger show. We would get to see both sides. We'd get a better show. Yeah. Oh my God, Kara, thank you for choosing this movie

and for like opening up a whole world to me that I really needed. I really needed it. No, I like I, I saw it down there. I saw it on the list and I was like, you know, I feel like this. It was also again, I was like, this is this is scary to me in a different way. It's like this. This is closer to the reality of my life

than many other things. Yep. Yep. Hope it doesn't happen. But if it does, we'll make different choices as best we can. Yeah, there's some key takeaways. Yep.

Open the door by the lock instead of the hinges. Uh-huh. Yell. Outdoor voice. Yeah, project, project. open the door by the lock instead of the hinges. Yell. Outdoor voice. Yeah, project, project. Eat anything at all. Eat what you can, these sorts of things. The tomatoes might not have been touching the rat. Yeah, I mean, look, that part,

I might not eat the tomatoes, fair enough, fair enough. But I'm eating the toast, I'm doing what I can. Kara, would you please tell our listeners where they can find you if you've got anything to plug or promote or just anything at all? I'm around. Great. Yeah, I'm on Instagram, have you've heard of it?

Or our Brown. I have a newsletter called Kara's Three Things that's just every Friday. And it's like three things, pretty self-explanatory, but you know, pretty fun and just, you know, around and commenting on things. Love it. Great.

Lots to comment on. Lots to comment on. So the well will never run dry. It'd be nice if it did. It could run a little drier and I would be okay with that. I would love to be bored again. God, to be bored. Just blanch up in a room playing cards.

Just playing cards, yeah. Just sort of like one room. That's good for me. What else could I put? What else is going on? Nothing. Not the case, not the case. Well, we end our episodes with a voice from the movie

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