Too Scary; Didn't Watch - YOUR MONSTER with Caroline Lindy

Episode Date: November 6, 2024

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I'm Emily and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy and I love watching scary movies and so I watch them so that you don't have to. And I am so excited about today's movie. Wee! Me too, actually. Wow. I know.

Me three, me three. And- This is a big deal for the pod. This is a huge deal for the pod, actually. This is a real, like, full circle moment for us, which we'll get into. This is huge. It really is. Get into more later. like full circle moment for us, which we'll get into. It really is.

Get into more later. We are gonna be having a interview with the writer director from this week's movie. So check out timestamps in the show notes if you want to jump around, feel free. We'll choose your own adventure kind of episode here. Yeah. But before we get into this week's movie, Feel free. Real choose your own adventure kind of episode here. Yeah.

But before we get into this week's movie, did anything scary happen to you guys this week? OK, I'm so excited to tell you guys about this. So. Oh my god. Yesterday, I had the weirdest experience. I was phone banking for Kamala, which is, you know, I know this episode comes out after the election.

So. I know. Just ignore ignore, just ignore that detail. All you need to know is that I was on the phone for a while and I'm, you know, rolling calls. I get a call, it's a man picks up, he seems nervous. He's like, hey, and I like do the script and he's like, oh yeah, no, okay, no, I do, script. And he's like, oh, yeah, no, OK. No, I do. I had I do want to talk to you about this actually,

like someone just called me. And he started talking in this weird way that I was like, is this guy kind of like on drugs or what's going on? But he seemed like he was he was responding to me in a way that you would respond to someone in a conversation. Then I hear a door slam. Another person walk into the room that this guy is in and start yelling at him. And this guy is saying like, Oh, I'm I was just about to

leave. I'm going to get out of here. And he was like, No, I think she's in the bathroom. She's in the bathroom. Like, No, I was just here for a work thing. And the other guy starts like yelling at him like really and he's like, you can't really hear what the other guy's saying. But he's like, dude, like, I don't believe you. Like, and the other guy's like, she's in the bathroom, like, just go talk to your wife. She's in the bathroom. Like she's I'm here for a work thing. It's not a big deal. And then the other guy like, it starts escalating. And he's like, is that her bra? Is that a fucking bra on the ground, dude? And I'm just on the phone, like, what the fuck is going on? Like, what the fuck am I overhearing? And it starts escalating where this guy's

like, I need to get out of here. Like, fuck, I need to get out of here. And the other guy's like, who are you even on the phone with? And he's like, it's a work call. It's a work call. It's no big deal. And he's like, can you stay on the phone with me? I just need to get out of here. Like, I need to get out of here. Like, the door's not working. Like, the door's not working. And I was like, literally sitting at my desk, like, holy shit, this guy's like in danger. I was like, you need to get out of there. Like you need to get the fuck out. Like, are you okay? Like, do you need me to like, what can I do to help?

Like, are you okay? This goes on for like maybe it's, I don't know how long it was. It felt like a long time, but it was probably only like two or three minutes. You know what I mean? Like it wasn't that long. And then the whole thing starts over again.

It was a fucking recording. It was a recording. What? What was the goal? I think that it's a bot, like it's like a Russian bot who has bot phone numbers and then put these fucking, I feel like it's AI generated or something because it was responding to my voice.

But like to what end? To waste people's time. To waste my time so that I'm not actually like contacting a real voter. Calling real people. I'm like stuck on the phone with a bar. Wow. Oh my God.

Isn't that crazy? Isn't that fucking nuts? That's so elaborate. Whoa. I just had never heard of this before. You were like listening to a whole like teleplay. Oh, it was a complete teleplay and I was convinced. There's no part of me that thought it was fake.

Well, yeah, because why on, that's the most insane thing ever. There's no part of my and then it started repeating and I was like, first, I just felt relief. I was like, oh, thank God that wasn't real. I thought that I was like about to be murdered. Yeah. And then my second thought was, I can't believe I fell for that. And my third thought was, why is no one talking about this? This is a thing that's happening out there.

If it is why- Did you do like some Googling and find out about- I've done zero Googling. I did a zero gamble. I'm like, I'm so curious. I'm so curious if other phone bankers are experiencing this. Scam, bot, affair. Cause it's like usually the,

it's usually the other way around. Like you get called by a scammer. It's very interesting to call a scammer. To call a bot. Or like a fake person. Yeah, a bot. The way it worked was I was in a Zoom room with a bunch of other people who were phone banking and a coach.

So I Zoomed. I sent a message describing what had happened. The coach wrote back and she was like, uh, bots and like a rolly face emoji in a way that made her think like, this is a thing that happens. This has happened before. So I guess, but I was like, you should tell people this is a thing

that might happen to them. Yeah, some warning would be nice. Wow. Emily, are you Googling? Do you find anything? I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying. Yeah, that's really bizarre. I'm going to have to be, and I'm going to have to get more into this later, but I'm ...

Someone needs to do an expose on this. Were they trying to keep you on the phone to get your voice? Oh, that's also really scary. Which why did I say that? I shouldn't have said that. No. Oh, no. Because what do I know?

What do I know? No, I made that up. I made that scary. I shouldn't have said that. No, oh no. Because what do I know? What do I know? No, I made that up. I made that up. I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm like going over my head. I'm like, did I, I'm like, oh my God, did I say anything? I did say my name, because you're saying your name. Of course, because you said hi, I'm Henley with,

you know, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yikes, man. Fuck, wow. No, that's not what it was, but I, that's so weird. We live in such a weird fucking time. Fuck. Man. Wow. No, that's not what it was, but that's so weird. We live in such a weird fucking time.

Yeah, you're only gonna be able to trust what's in front of you, directly in front of you happening. I've been really spiraling lately about how much water is used by AI software and how everybody now on the face of planet Earth uses AI for like everything from just like at work people will be like, I can't think of a timeline for this post. Like, let me just put it in chat GBT. And it's like, okay, so that's like gallons of water just because we couldn't think of it. Which like I'm not sure. That sounds like

I'm like shame. I just like we all do it. Or it's like Instagram would be like use AI for your Instagram story. And it's like, sure. Yeah was just like, we all do it. Or it's like Instagram would be like, use AI for your Instagram story. And it's like, sure. Think about it. Yeah, you don't think about it because it's so prevalent, it's so easy. Also, I do all sorts of fucking shit that I never think about,

but I've just, I've all of a sudden just been like, oh no, oh no, oh no, oh no, oh no, oh no. It's also. We're going to run out of water. We're going to run out of water. And I love showering. I think about it almost every single time I turn the faucet on. I think. Can they not use salt water?

Imagine if I couldn't use this water. Eventually we're gonna run out of salt water, probably. That's a good point. I mean, there's a lot of it. There's so much salt water. That's true. There's a lot more salt water than fresh water. There is so much.

True, can AI use salt water? Whatever, again, once again, like I don't know. I just know that everything is bad. That is such a good stone. Imagine though if AI did start using ocean water. What the fuck would happen? Would the oceans immediately be gone? I don't know.

Again, I know there's a lot of ocean, obviously, but I just feel like it's supposed to be there. It's supposed to stay there. We'd find out what's at the bottom of the ocean finally. Oh, I don't know. We'd all be dead. I don't wanna know. We'd all be dead,

because the atmosphere would incinerate. I mean, there's no way the earth can survive that. But. Losing all of the ocean? No, I don't think it can. Yeah, that would not, no. We'd all be dead for sure. Wowie, wow.

Well, that's really nuts. And I'm sorry that happened to you. Truly, literally, it's no big deal you guys, but tell me about your weeks. It's not even a big deal. I'm not gonna make a deal you guys, but tell me about your weeks. It's not even a big deal. Well, we just changed our clocks today, last night,

into today, which I historically hate. I don't like it when it gets dark early. And I guess what's kind of scary is that this year, I was like, I'm really looking forward to it. Because I wake up really early now and it has been so dark when I wake up and it's dark and cold. And it's so hard.

And so I'm like tomorrow, it won't be dark when I wake up and I'm so excited and I'm just like, what, who am I? Who am I? I remember hearing parents talk about that. Being like, yeah, it's like not dark when I wake up in the morning and being like, ugh, that is, but at night though, but night. And I'm like, yeah, who cares?

I like need it to not be dark when I wake up. So I'm honestly like pretty excited about it. And you have the right work hours for it cause you'll still finish work when it's like mostly light out. I think. Yeah, I will say when I was getting out of work at like 6 37, 7 30 and the time change, it was brutal.

Like I was so miserable. So I really feel for people who have that schedule but I work from eight to 4 30 now. So yeah, it's like, I can, you know, it'll be dark as I'm getting dark as I'm coming home, but at least I can feel like I have a day a little bit. Yeah. It's a full other day. Yeah. Yeah.

So, yeah, I don't know. I'm like, I was kind of freaking excited. And I'm like tonight, I'm going to have a cozy dinner. Like, I actually feel like, because I missed basically all of October because we got married at the end of September and then we're in post wedding haze and then went on our honeymoon and came back. And obviously all of that was the month of October. I did exist in the month of October, but it sort of feels like it didn't really happen.

Yeah. But now I'm like, Oh my God, it's fall. Like it's November. It's cozy. It's chilly. So I'm kind of, yeah, I don't know, I'm kind of ready for it. Who am I? Well, I'm a married lady now, I guess. I'm very responsible and I can handle whatever comes at me, including the change of time. So kind of scary. It's like such a unique feeling. And this, I will not be able to encapsulate this feeling, but I remember in LA going on

a hike with Tim around this time in Ernst Debs Park, the one that's near Highland Park, and realizing, like, oh shit, right, the sun is going to go down soon. And it being cold and the sun going down, and Tim and I just going to a restaurant in Highland Park, it's dark outside all of a sudden, ordering a prime rib and a glass of red wine and a baked potato and going to a candle shop afterwards.

And I remember just being like, I remember just being like, I'm in heaven. I'm in heaven. Yeah, oh my God, that is the thing. It's like this time of year, even though it is like, oh, it's dark and it's cold, but it's dark and cold at 5.30, so it's like, okay. Time to bundle up.

Time to settle in. Time to bundle up. Time for a big potato, light a candle, put on my pajamas and my cozy clothes, and I guess I'm in bed at 8.30. Really exciting stuff. I'm ready for it. I'm ready for it.

Yeah, I'm ready for it this evening. It sounds so good. I might have to go to a candle shop tonight. That sounds so nice. I should just copy that. Go on a hike. The part of what made it key was like a little brisk walk in the cold as the sun's going down, you know? Because then you really feel like you've earned the baked potato. You're like, I just was outside. My cheeks are flushed. My cheeks are flushed. My cheeks are flushed. Not for like weird reasons, more for like, you know, happiness reasons.

It's like I'm hungry now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the balance. I worked up an appetite. I worked up an appetite. It's a good feeling. It's a good feeling. Sammy, what about you? So maybe it's nothing scary at all.

What about you, Sammy? Mine was actually scary. I had a true scary thing happen, which is that the other night as I got in bed, I left a used pan on the stove. I have two cats. They love food, anything with food. They're gonna go check it out,

which they've done all the time. If I leave something out on the stove, they'll go and like lick it and I'll be like, dang it, I shouldn't have left that out. Usually it ends there. Oh God. This night, I am laying in bed with my book and I hear the stove turn on.

I run out, they lit a burner, the flame was on. How did they do that? I have no idea, but I hate that it happened. And so I took all the knobs off of the, and obviously took the thing off of the stove, but just like they could have lit themselves on fire. They could have burned the whole house down. What if I was already asleep?

Oh my God, that scares me so much about because sometimes I feel like I'm like really asleep and would miss something like that. Yeah. Oh my God. Just was like, so shocking and upsetting. And I don't know how they perfectly did. I mean, even if they didn't actually like hold it in the place enough to light the flame, like that's also bad of just having gas coming out. Yeah. Right. No matter what it's bad. And so, damn. Yeah. I've been taking the knobs off when I go to bed because I feel like they're not. Oh my God. What a crazy thing to have to do. But I just, yeah, really don't like that. What about when you leave the house?

I haven't been taking them off. This is a recent development, and so I'm not in the habit of remembering. Removing the knobs. Remembering the knob situation. Whoa, this would be a nightmare for someone with OCD. This would be a full-blown nightmare. It's really bad. And I think it was like a probably like a very small percentage chance fluke that just happened.

Like I don't think they would necessarily do it again. They're not going to be able to pull this off all the time. Right. But still just the fact that I know that they can is really unsettling. And so yeah, just everybody with cats, be careful out there. Oh my God. It can. Whoa.

Nothing is safe. Nothing is safe. I did have the unfortunate realization that where we do a lot of fire talk in this house and we don't really have a fire escape plan. There really is not a way for us to escape where we are. And the good news is that the whole place is wired with sprinklers. And as soon as the alarm goes off, the fire department immediately

comes. So I feel like we'll be okay. But I was also literally last night, I was looking out the windows being like, could I jump that? Like I jump that holding May? Like, how would that go? Oh, oof. Yeah, just crawl out the wasp-infested windows. Just through the... There's like, it goes straight down. The roof is like not... I can't...

But there's a little ledge that maybe I could jump to with my baby and maybe I'd break my ankles. Who knows? Like, why? Stressful. Oh, no. I was last night, like, literally thinking. I was, like, what? Oh no. I was last night like literally thinking, I was like talking to Tim about it and Tim was like,

okay, I can't talk to you, I have this conversation with you right now. You know I get it with earthquake preparedness is my thing. And with cats, I feel like there's some degree of like, they're just gonna be on their own. Like I'm not in an emergency, I'm not realistically going to be able to get them because they run and hide.

Right. And then it's like, well, I can't be coaxing you out from below a bed. Yeah. And a firefighter can do that. A firefighter can do that. That's their job. Yeah.

Yeah, maybe the firefighters are amazing. Maybe we just get signs that we can have on deck that are like, there's a cat in here. I think those exist. Well, they have them for cars. That's why you have baby on board. Right, I know. That's why those exist.

I learned that and that makes me sad. And it makes it even weirder than all the signs that are like, baby up in this bitch, you know, that all the people that try to be like clever about it, that it's like, It's not funny. That's really morbid and like, yeah, it's like not, anyway.

Yeah. Okay, well another thing to note. Another thing to note. Not for me, not for me, because everything's nice and cozy over here, but for other people perhaps. Stay cozy everyone, stay cozy. That's your best, best prevention. And hey, I'd say this week's movie is a pretty cozy everyone. Stay cozy. Just stay cozy. That's your best, best prevention. And hey, I'd say this week's movie is a pretty cozy movie.

It's a pretty cozy movie. It really is. Seems cozy to me. Because this week we are talking about your monster written and directed by first guest of the podcast, our dear friend, Caroline Lindy. Huge brag. Starring Melissa Barrera, Tommy Dewey, Megan Faye,

and Edmund Donovan. And possibly, if you're lucky, right when this comes out, it might still be in theaters, Run Don't Walk, because it's not gonna be in theaters forever, but then it'll be on VOD. So you guys gotta see it. You gotta check out the movie. Support our friend.

I'm so mad. You have to support our friend. You gotta check out the movie. Support our friend. I'm so mad. You have to support our friend. You have to support our friend. I feel I'm really upset that I haven't seen it yet. I can't wait to see it. It looks amazing. The trailer looks amazing. I'm so excited for you guys to tell me about it.

And then I can't wait to see it as soon as I can. Yeah, I'm just so proud of Caroline. She's amazing. She's amazing. She's amazing. She's amazing. Mm-hmm. So really, it's a great, fun, cozy time. And it is a rom-com. It is a horror, horror, rom-com musical.

So there's really something for everyone. They said it couldn't be done. They said it couldn't. Caroline proved them wrong. She said, watch me. And we did. This movie is so fun. It has a 73% on Rotten Tomatoes, 62% on Metacritic, and a seven on IMDB.

I don't have the budget or the numbers for this one, which seems like I could have gotten them because I have inside information. Probably. A direct line. Kind of weird text though. What was the budget in box office for your music movie? I would like to tell everyone. But yeah, Emily and I went and saw it the other day and that's great. It's really, really great.

That's really great. I loved it. I mean, I love a rom-com so much. Caroline, our friend, loves a rom-com. And she really did it right. It hits all the notes. It also is fun and kind of spooky and weird and kind of dark and it's really wonderful.

And so don't even get at us about, it's not a horror movie. It's not too scary to watch. Why are we doing it? It's our friend, you guys, we're allowed. So that's why. We wanna talk about our friend's movie. Let us talk about our friend's movie.

It's really freaking cool. It's so cool to go to the movies, the real movies at a real movie theater, buy a ticket for your friend's movie. It's really fucking cool. See their name up on the screen. It was very cool. Yeah. It was very cool. Yeah.

It was very cool. And then the movie's really good. That's really cool. Extra exciting. I should just say, I have known Caroline since I was a freshman in college. We met in college. We were college roommates.

And I always knew that she wanted to write and act. And I remember her telling me our senior year of college that she was gonna move to Los Angeles. And I remember being like, what? Where, why? Los Angeles, people are gonna move to Los Angeles? And then, wouldn't you know it, I ended up moving there too.

I moved there because of Caroline. I moved there because she needed a roommate. So I moved there literally because of Caroline. Caroline's kind of the reason that we're friends. I know, Caroline's also the reason why I know Tim. Which is another fucking crazy thing. Caroline is like the linchpin in my life. Isn't that wild?

Thank God for Caroline. Caroline went to high school with Tim and she set me up with him. So wild. Can you believe that? It's fucking nuts. It's really sad. Thank you, Caroline.

Thank you, Caroline, for like accidentally orchestrating my entire life on top of everything else you've done. It's pretty amazing. And yeah, she was our first guest of the podcast, our second episode, The Witch, it was Caroline and Joel. Oh my God, it was only the second. You didn't know what we were doing?

If you've listened to our back, how like if you've listened to that episode, you know it was only the second. You didn't know what we were doing. If you've listened to our back, how like if you've listened to that episode, you know it was early days, but it's really wild to think about like what these past five years have been. It really makes time feel wild. Yeah. And like it makes the podcast feel like

the craziest little time capsule. If we could listen back to ourselves in that episode, we would have no, now I'm just gonna get woo woo, but like those versions of ourselves didn't know. We didn't know Silas and May. We didn't know that Caroline was gonna make this movie. We didn't know that me and Joel were gonna be married.

We didn't know that the podcast was gonna be this. Like there's just, it's really, what I'm saying is everybody should make a podcast and everybody should make a movie because it's really going to really show you some stuff about your life. It's just really wild. It is. I think about that sometimes about like, if I'll ever go back and listen to the episodes and at what point would I do that?

And I don't know when or if I'll do that, but I think it will be a very weird experience because I for sure won't be until a long time from now. It's like talking to a younger version of yourself. It's like, it's like really feels like time travel. Yeah, it feels like going back and reading a diary, which you know I was scared of doing for a long time, but I have done that now also. And it's shown you a lot, like you've always hated showers.

Always hated showers. Always hated showers, yep. That's in my DNA from birth. Can't do nothing about it. I'm so excited to talk about this movie. I can't wait. Are we ready to just get into it? Let's do it.

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is there to pick her up. She's maybe talking, oh, she's talking to the doctor, like flirting with the doctor. Laura's just like, not present. And in her cut, we're sort of getting like flashes as she's being wheeled out of the hospital of a fight that she was having with her boyfriend in her hospital room where he's, you know, she's in her hospital bed in pain and he's basically telling her like she's in her hospital bed in pain and he's basically telling her like, I can't do this anymore.

I'm not able to focus on me and my work. And it's just been all about you. And we learned that she has had cancer and that's what this surgery was. And he breaks up with her in the hospital room and leaves. Oh boy. And we see her pull herself out of bed in pain. It looks like she's had surgery like in her stomach. Pull herself out of bed, having her IV bag hobbling down

the hallway, trying to call for him. His name is Jacob. Jacob, Jacob. The name of a villain. In any and all things though. On all things. Yes, yes. The's a bad man. Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.

Calling for him, Jacob, Jacob crying, cut back to, yeah, her sort of dead face being wheeled out of the hospital. We, do you have anything to say about? Yeah, okay, let's, let's. Do you have anything to say about Jacob? Yeah, okay. Let's- Do you have anything to say about Jacob? Pause and insert some behind the scenes info. Because first it does start with a card that says based on a true-ish story. Because we know Caroline, we know that she did have cancer and her boyfriend at the time did break up with her during this like really scary stressful

time in her life. And what you won't read about in the Deadline articles is that part of the way I know Caroline is that I also dated this person. I dated him after Caroline and I knew about this situation. I was young and dumb and also like for some reason didn't see these as red flags. But if you can believe it, he was not. He is a very charming person

who could convince you of a lot of things. Yes. And I don't wanna go too much into, talking about our relationship, but it just is so surreal to see this situation that I was tangentially a part of on screen. And I'm just, again, I feel like I've said it a hundred times, I'm just so proud of Caroline.

I'm so pleased that she got to have this way of processing her emotions about this really crappy time and it's secondhand catharsis for me getting to... Pretty wild to get to see your ex portrayed as a villain in a movie. Not a lot of people get that. What a gift. I highly recommend it. A lot of people can see versions of maybe

an X for relationship screen. No, you get to go like, so that is based on my X and he's the villain. We all get to watch some and go like, so this guy sucks, huh? Pretty fun. So thank you, Caroline. And thank you, Caroline. I remember visiting Caroline in the hospital when she had this surgery and it was really

intense and she couldn't get out of the bed. It was really sad and hard. We were in our early 20s and so stupid about life and had no idea what we were doing. It's really crazy that now there's a movie about it. Like it's like, she birthed that into being. She really hauled it into existence. It's amazing. It's crazy. It's crazy.

And it's a great movie. And it's a great movie. So she's been picked up by her friend, Maisie. So Maisie brings her back. She's going back to her childhood home. This is in New York. Her mom, we sort of gather, is flighty and it's just off doing her own thing. Because Laura and Jacob have broken up, she's now moved back into this home alone. And we see that her mom has left her a bunch of pies as sort of like surgery and breakup

consolation. There's a box of her stuff there from Jacob's house that Maisie left for her. And Laura, you know, is overwhelmed. She's just had surgery. She starts crying. She's really sad about this breakup. And Maisie tells her like, hey, you're not gonna be sad.

I'm here for you. Like, I am your ride or die. We're gonna get through this. And then immediately is like, oh, sorry, I have to go. So Maisie leaves and Laura is home alone. And we have a sadness breakup montage. She is shoveling that pie in her face. She is crying.

We see her repeatedly ordering and reordering boxes of tissues on Amazon that continually get delivered by the same Amazon delivery man who's just like watching her get sadder and sadder. That is intercut with memories of her relationship with Jacob. We're seeing the happy moments. We're seeing them be cute together, taking couple photos.

In their apartment, Jacob is a writer-director and she's an actor and he is working on a musical. We see her helping him to write the music, helping him to write the lyrics of the song. We see Jacob tell her, you know, I want you to play the lead in this musical. And her saying, Jacob, it's on Broadway. Like, this is my literal dream.

And he's like, I know, and you deserve it. And I wrote this for you. And yeah, all that is intercut with her, sadly, going through this breakup. As this is happening, she's sort of moping around her house. There's moments where she's hearing noises upstairs. It's a two story apartment, and she's hearing noises from upstairs it's a two story apartment,

and she's like hearing noises from upstairs. Every now and again, the lights flicker and she's kind of ignoring it, but we're noticing that it's happening. Maybe like a week into this, two weeks, Maisie, her friend, comes and walks with her to, she's got a doctor's appointment, you know, she just had surgery, she just has cancer,

she's getting, regularly getting like blood work done. So Macy's walking with her to the doctor's appointment and lets her know that auditions have been sent out for the musical. And Laura realizes she did not get an audition. And... That motherfucker. That motherfucker.

Motherfucker. You know, Macy says, oh, I guess I'm sure he just thought like, you know, you just had surgery, you probably couldn't do it. You know, I'm sure that's all it is. And then again, they get to the doctor's appointment, Laura's like, aren't you coming in with me?

And Maisie says, oh no, sorry, I gotta go to karate. And takes off. Karate. Karate. Such a funny specific. So, you know, Laura's at her doctor's appointment. She's going to get her blood run and she's crying about this news that she just got. And she has this like very brusque nurse who's like put the needle in this like, shouldn't you be used to this by now?

Just like really not giving her the time of day. No good bedside manner. Hitting home the message here that Laura has no shoulders to cry on here about all of this. Yep. Next night she's home and now she's hearing something that's really like someone is upstairs. Like there's definitely someone in the apartment. This is the moment where like, well, you have to call someone. Like you can't just go up there, but she has no one to call. She goes right on up there. She's creeping upstairs saying hello, hello. Moving closer and closer to the,

it's also like thunder and lightning outside. It's very spooky. Getting closer and closer to the source of the sound. It appears to be coming from the closet. She opens up the closet, walks through, hello, hello, and a little rat scurries out. She goes, oh, oh my God. It was just a rat turns around right in her face,

big old monster man, and he roars in her face. She screams, runs out, hits her head, knocks herself out, goes black. She comes to, she's downstairs on the couch, she's got a blanket over her, I think there's some jazz music playing, steaming mug of tea next to her on the coffee table. She sort of opens up her eyes, rubs her head,

it's like, where am I, what just happened? Looks up, Monster Man says, hello. Hello, Monster Man. Freaks out again, like pulls something up, screaming, who are you, who are you? And he's like, you don't remember me? She says, what were we talking about? He's like, oh, come on, come on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You saw me that one time. You looked into the bed, you thought you heard something, I was there. And she's like, no. And into the bed, you thought you heard something. I was there. And she's like, no. And he's like, oh, come on, come on. The other time you were with, oh, what's that fucking kid's name?

You were in the closet. He was mean to you. And I came out and I scared him. And he's like trying to tell her about it. He's like, I've always been here. Like I'm like the monster that lives in your room. And she's not recalling. He's like, well, that's pretty insulting.

Pretty rude of you to not know who I am. Rude. And he sits down on the couch next to her and is like, hey, so here's the deal. I've been living here alone for a while and I like it. I don't really want roommates. I don't really want you to be here. So you have to get out.

You have to get the fuck out. And he does a really good job. Tommy Dewey's performance is so good, but he's really doing a fun job of being like, he's very funny. He's also only ever referred to as Monster. His name is Monster, that's what we call him. So Monster's like very funny and being like very chill,

but then every now and again, he'll be like full blown scary monster. Like when he like roared in her face earlier, it was like a true, not a man man roaring like true fucking monster scary roar yeah so he's like yeah you gotta get out um this is my house and I don't want you here she starts crying because she's so at the end of her rope and so alone and is scared and she's like yours you're really scary and I'm sorry like I don't have anywhere to go and I just had surgery my boyfriend just broke up with me and he's like oh my god really scary and I'm sorry, I don't have anywhere to go and I just had surgery and my boyfriend just broke up with me. And he's like, oh my God, okay, okay, okay,

stop crying, stop crying. I'll give you two weeks. I'll give you two weeks, just stay out of my way, get your shit figured out. And he tells her, just don't cross me or I'll rip your fucking throat out. And it's like scary. And she's like, okay.

And that's how they leave and he leaves the room. So then we get a montage of them learning to live together and we're back to cute rom-com territory. We're adjusting the thermostat back and forth. She wants it warm, he wants it freezing cold. So you got like a back and forth on the thermostat. She's playing the piano and he doesn't like the music and he tears her sheet music out of her hand and she orders food and he makes a big mess of

all of it. It's like very odd couple style montage. But it's also kind of clear, they're sort of bonding, you know, it's a little bit like, oh, this can you believe this guy this guy is the vibe of the back and forth that they have? But in this time, I think because Laura has company, she's kind of got a friend, she's at least not alone. She's sort of getting a little bit of her confidence back. She's recovering a bit and she decides she's gonna go to the audition.

She's gonna go, show up, see if she can audition, see what happens. Great. So she goes. show up, see if she can audition, see what happens. Great. So she goes, she gets there, she goes up to the guy running the audition and he asks for her name, she gives it, and she's like, but I don't actually have an appointment.

And he's immediately like, oh, you can't audition. Like, you can't be here without an appointment. I can't see you. He's like, in over his head, I don't have time for you. Then he says, wait, you look familiar to me. Why do you look familiar? She says, well, I actually, the part is named, is called Lori.

Her name is Laura. The lead of the show is called Lori. She's like, actually I played Lori in the off Broadway run when we were workshopping the show. And he's like, oh my God, that's right. Wow, you're so talented. You were so good at it. It's great.

Why aren't you on the lit? Like you should have an audition. Why didn't they just offer you the role? And she's like, well, it's kind of complicated me. And he's like, aren't you like dating the director? She's like, well, I kind of, he's like, got it. You broke up. Yeah, get it.

No problem. I can sneak you in. Don't fucking tell anybody. Okay. Just put you in next. Great. He's like, this is terrible industry. I've got you in. Don't fucking tell anybody, okay? Just, you know, put you in next. He's like, this is a terrible industry. I've got your back. So she sits in the waiting room.

In comes Megan Fahey playing the role of Jackie in the movie. She comes in and she's, we get the vibe that she's like kind of famous. I think even the guy running the audition was like, you know, this woman's coming, she's a big deal. The casting director really comes out and like gives her a big hug.

Oh my God, sweetheart, it's so good to see you. I have to say for the time that I was acting and was going to auditions, shit like this does happen. You'll like be in a room, ready to audition for something. And then someone comes in and you're like, oh, this is everybody's best fucking friend. So why am I here? Right.

So that just is again, also very true to life. You're like, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. Glad I'm here. Really, this is a really great use of my time. But yeah, so the casting director like, gives her a big hug. I was like, oh my God, so happy to see you. And she's like, okay, who's next?

The guy tells her Laura Franco. She's like, all right, come on back. Like doesn't give a shit about her. She's like, come on back. Like doesn't give a shit about her. She's like, come on back. They go into the theater, she gets up on the stage and watching the auditions is right there, front and center, Jacob.

He's like, oh, Laura, hey. And she says, hey, and the cast member is like, oh, do you guys know each other? And Laura says yes, at the same time that Jacob says no. And then they're like, ha ha ha, I mean, yeah, we know each other, ha ha, yeah. And so they are like, all right, well, go ahead. And saying that he would say no,

that's a crazy way to just lie, okay. Really crazy. He's the villain, he's the villain of this story and of our lives. It's. He's the villain. He's the villain of this story and of our lives. It's just a really bold lie. It's a really bold, easily, easily dismissed lie, especially if you start an off Broadway version of this. Yeah.

But so they tell her like, okay, Laura, like, you know, then the pianist gives her like two bars of like, you know, da, da, da, da, da, you know, to like start her song. And she's immediately like, oh, oh, I'm sorry. Was it time for me to start? I'm sorry. Take it one more time. The casting directors we watch, they are totally checked out. They're like, OK, this girl doesn't know what the fuck she's doing.

This is a waste of our time. She gives it a go. The first go around, it's like her voice is shaky. She's looking at Jacob. He's looking awkward and like looking away. She's it's it's really uncomfortable. It's a really uncomfortable audition. We're watching the casting directors like eat a sandwich. They just, it goes really badly.

She's like, oh sorry, let me take it again. I've got it, I've got it. She does it again, she does a little bit better, but it's like this audition already failed. Like this is not, and she knows it, it's bad. Everybody knows it. It's truly your worst nightmare that you like get an opportunity to show up and you're in front of your ex and this is the part that was written for you and Everybody knows it. It's truly your worst nightmare that you like get an opportunity to show up and

you're in front of your ex and this is the part that was written for you and you blow it really hard to watch. Brutal. She goes back home. We see her crying on her bed, just like I ruined it. I ruined my life. Crying to Monster, who by the way is laying underneath her bed. We've seen that Monster sleeps under her bed still, which is a really, really funny and adorable detail.

So she's talking to him and she's like, I ruined my life and honestly, probably I'm not even that talented. Like, how do I even know that I'm talented? I'm probably bad anyway, and it's better for me that I'm not acting and that I didn't get this part. And Monster's like, why don't you like perform for me? Like, I'll let you know if you're talented. He's like, I'm actually a really good actor.

I love that. So she said, you you're an actor. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's like go. Let's go read a play. Like, let's go. So they go downstairs. They're looking through all of her plays. And he says, oh, here, Shakespeare, do

do a Shakespeare monologue for me. She's like, no, no, I'm not like I'm not like a classic actor. Like, I can't do Shakespeare. I mean, I love Shakespeare, but I'm not like, just, you know, putting herself down, not believing in herself. And monster's like, Shakespeare is easy. There's no subtext.

It's just all right on the page. You can totally do Shakespeare. She's like, okay, well, you go first. You show me like you'll it'll warm me up. Like I'm nervous. You go first. And he's like, okay, she hands him a monologue from Comedy Bearers. And earlier when they're like living together, when they're still in their little montage, they watch

a movie musical together, which Caroline's going to be so mad at me that I don't know what it is. Do you know what it is? No, I didn't know what it was. It's a classic Hollywood movie musical from the fifties. Probably important if you know what those movies are. And if you're Caroline, who definitely does. But they watch a movie musical together and they really bond during that time. He enjoys the musical, it makes him cry a little bit. They're like friends now.

So that's why when she gets back from the audition, it's like they've already entered into friend territory. Things are good between them. But so yeah, she hands him this comedy bearer's monologue and he hasn't memorized already because he's like, I have a lot of time in my hands. Like I just live here, I'm a monster. Like I know all this stuff.

And he performs this monologue for her and to her and it's beautiful. And he's staring in her for her and to her. And it's beautiful. And he's staring into her eyes, and she is getting caught up, and we're getting caught up. And it's this moment of like, oh, oh no, am I like horny for this monster? The moment is interrupted by her phone ringing. She answers that it's Jacob calling her to tell her

she did not get the part. And that they have given the part to Jackie, who is like, we've learned like a famous TV actress. So it was given the part to Jackie. She's being so cool about it. And it's like, oh yeah, no, I totally get it. My fault, I did really badly at the audition. Like I totally get it. My fault, I did really badly at the audition. Like I totally get it and she seems great.

And he says, well, you know, we could, we talked to the producers and we could have you, if you want, I'm sure you don't wanna do this, but like you could understudy her part and then you'd be in the ensemble, which I'm sure is like not, you definitely don't wanna do that. She's like, I'll do it.

And he's clearly like, oh, great. Yes, that's great. Yeah, definitely we want you to do that. Awesome. And she's like, great, can't wait. So she's going to be in the show. Monster comes in and asks what the phone call was. And she's like, I didn't get the part.

And she's, he's like, that sucks. Like the part was written for you. Like he told you it was your part, right? And she's like, yeah, but I didn't. It's fine. It's like not, you know, I get it. It happens. And he's like, it's not fine.

And he grabs a plate out of the cabinet and he throws it on the ground and smashes it. And she's like, what the, what are you doing? He's like, come on, do it. You'll feel better. Fucking smash a plate. She gets it, gets a plate, smashes it. And you can tell she's like, okay, that felt good.

She's like, oh, I like it. Gets another one, smashes it. Gets another one, smashes it. Then they start grabbing things off the shelves, throwing them, throwing pie from earlier, throwing it on the ground, opening food from the fridge. Now they're like having a food fight. They're just creating chaos and they're like laughing and it's fun. And it's like a little kind of sexual, like we're sort of like putting food on each other and it's like, well, wait, what's happening?

And she's like, Oh, and then she says, man, two weeks went by really fast. And he's like, oh, and then she says, man, two weeks went by really fast. And he's like, oh, it's been, huh, it's been two weeks. She's like, yeah, I guess I have to better get the fuck out. And he's like, oh, well, you can stay. You can stay. So we're flirting. She's staying. Like, okay, great.

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Jacob had also told her on the phone that Maisie, her friend, was also offered a part in the show. Maisie is an actor as well. So Maisie's gonna be in the show as well. So first read through, the show is called the School for Good Women or something like that, right? It's, yeah, something about- Institute of Good Women. The House of Good Women.

House of Good Women, where it's like about girls being told how to be good and them rebelling and, you know, kind of a feminist quasi story. But, you know, we get a joke earlier, that's like written and created by this man. And so he, but also we know that Laura was very heavily involved in the development of the show, but he, you know, gives this speech at the, he's like, welcome everybody, you know of the show, but he gives this speech,

and he's like, welcome everybody, you know, this show was written for you, for women. It is about your power and your bravery, and I'm in awe of you, really. That's hitting the nail on the head. That is it. That's what this is all about is it's by me, but for you. So we're really like, wow, what a douchebag.

And pretty immediately we see that Jackie and Jacob are flirting a lot. He introduces her, we have the incandescent Jackie in our starring role of Lori, and it's very uncomfortable for Laura. They keep making uncomfortable glances at each other. After the read through, Jacob tells everybody, oh, by the way, there's gonna be a big Halloween party

at the theater, we're all invited. Laura tries to come up and says to Jacob, wow, first read through, how do you feel? And it's just so awkward. He doesn't really wanna talk to her. It just feels really, really bad. And Maisie, her friend is like, come on, we're getting out of here.

Don't fucking talk to him. And they go into the costume room at the theater to find costumes to wear for the Halloween party. We learn, which this is a very funny fact for people who know and love Caroline, Maisie's like, what have you been for Halloween every year? And she's always been a historical figure or a man or just like not not sexy, not playing up, like being hot at Halloween.

And Macy is basically telling her, like, you should be hot, that you should come to the party and you should be hot. I do want to interject an anecdote here, which is just that the second time I met Caroline, it was at a Halloween party. She was hosting a Halloween party. I was still dating the person that Jacob was based on. And I went dressed as Nicholas Cage.

And I was like so stressed about it because I was like, I look so ugly and I'm like seeing his ex-girlfriend and like I should have been something cute. And then I arrive and Caroline was dressed as one of the guys from Narcos. Great. So we were both dressed as men

and I should have known right then and there that my true soulmate was Caroline. Yeah. She was Amelia Earhart one year. She was Darcy from Pride and Prejudice. Incredible. She was... I'm trying to think of other Halloween costumes. And it was always fraught because it was like, oh no, I look so ugly, but I can't stop myself from being Amelia Earhart. I can't stop. from being Amelia. I can't stop or Eleanor Roosevelt. So yeah, that's kind of the vibe we're getting of Laura here,

but she takes some costumes back with her. And when she gets home, she kind of has this epiphany like, oh, it's a Halloween party. Me and monster like kind of flirting, having a fun time. And she comes up to him, she's like, hey, what are you doing tonight? He's like, nothing, what are you doing tonight? He's like, nothing, what are you doing?

She says, well, there's this Halloween party and I thought like you're already dressed for it. Like, why don't you come? And he says, are you asking me on a date? And she's like, no, no, I just like, it'd be fun to hang out. He's like, oh, well then I don't want to come. And she's like, no, come on, come to the party with me.

He's like, no, I don't want to leave the house. I don't leave the house. It's like sort of, I'm like busy. I'm staying here. Like, no, come on, come to the party with me. He's like, no, I don't want to leave the house. I don't leave the house is like sort of my I'm like busy. I'm staying here like, no, I'm not going to your party. She's like, fine, I'll go alone. So we see her going to get ready for the party in her room, and she's about to put on like suffragette costume. She's like a sash that says votes for women and a blazer.

And we see her sort of go like, no, maybe I'm gonna do something else. And she has a stunning, body hugging, sequined, gorgeous dress. She comes downstairs in a fabulous Elvira costume, wig, makeup done, bright red lips, gorgeous dress. She looks hot. Well, maybe this is Elvira,

but it's Bride of Frankenstein, isn't it? Oh, maybe it is Bride of Frankenstein. But she looks incredible. She looks incredible. And she comes down the stairs and Monster sees her and he's immediately like, we see him sort of, you know, his heart's a flutter. And he's like, oh, you look like pretty cool.

She's like, thanks. And she's like, sure, you don't want to come? And he's like, yeah, no, I can't, I'm not going to come. Like, okay. She goes to a Halloween party immediately. Of course she's having a terrible time as you would going to a Halloween party with your ex. It's bad. She sees him. He's flirting a ton with Jackie. She just gets really drunk. She's like not, we see her sort of bopping between different circles of the party, just drinking, not having fun, totally checked out, just watching Jacob flirt across the party.

Getting ready to leave, having a really terrible time. An in walks monster. We have the classic like coming in at the entrance, walking down the stairs of the party. He's all dapper. He's wearing a suit. He's got his hair pulled party. He's all dapper, he's wearing a suit, he's got his hair pulled back. He looks hot.

Amazing. He looks hot, they lock eyes, she's smiling, that they only have eyes for each other. He walks over to her and she says, "'You came?' He says, "'Yeah, well, I thought it might be fun.' She says, "'What are you dressed up as?' He says, "'Well, I'm a business monster.'"

Great. And he asks her to dance. And they have a lovely little dance. They're really locked into each other. It's very sexy. It's like true. The vibe is like the whole room stops and it's just the two of them.

And there's some tension. We're thinking these two are pretty into each other. As they're finishing their dance, Laura looks up at the balcony and she sees what I believe to be a heart crushing moment, which is that Jacob has not been watching. Jacob does not know that she is being desired by a hot, tall man.

That is annoying. And instead we see him sneak out of the room with Jackie. And she sees that and it sort of takes her out of the moment. She's flustered. Monster says to her like, do you want to get out of here? Flirtatiously like, should we get out of here? And she's like, yeah, I just have to pee. Like, sorry, I'm just going to go pee real quick.

And he could sort of tell what something's off with her. And she starts walking down the halls of the theater, trying to figure out where Jacob went. Here's some noises in a room, peeks her head around. And from behind, she can see Jacob clearly having sex. And she's just sort of stands there frozen. Monster comes up behind her. he sees it as well. And the lights sort of start to flicker.

We hear him kind of growl a little bit, like he's angry on her behalf. And he tells her, stay here for a second. And it gets really spooky in the room. Like, it's like, you know, kind of how you feel like it'd be if like a ghost was about to enter a room we just had where it's like all of a sudden, like the lights are flickery and maybe there's like some noises

and Jacob is noticing this. We're like just on Jacob's face and he's like, hello? Somebody there? And we hear some thumps and he's like, hello? And he sort of goes to investigate the sounds, falls through a trap door in the theater, falls on his arm, hurts his arm. That's all we get.

Okay. But he didn't see Monster, he didn't see Laura. He just like hurt himself. Monster made him hurt himself. Outside, you know, Laura and Monster, Laura's like trying to talk herself down. She's clearly really rattled by that. And Monster's like, are you okay? And she's like, yeah, Monster, Laura's like trying to talk herself down. She's clearly really rattled by that. Monster's like, are you OK? And she's like, yeah, no, it's fine.

I mean, you know, he can he do what he wants. You know, we're not together. Of course, he gave Jackie the role. She's so talented. She's so beautiful. Of course, he wants to be with her. Like it's you know, it all makes sense. Basically, like she's everything. I'm nothing. And he can do whatever the fuck he wants.

And he doesn't owe me anything. And it's totally fine. Everything's OK. And Monster's anything and it's totally fine. Everything's okay. And Monster's like, it's not okay. He told you that role was yours. You worked on the show with him. He made it for you and then he gives it to somebody else. That's not okay. And you guys just broke up.

He's putting you through this being in the show. He's having sex with this other woman. Like, it's not, he's not a good person and it's not okay. Like what he's doing is not okay to you. It's not nice. It's not good. It doesn't have to be okay. It's not okay.

She's crying and she's like, it's not okay. It's not okay. It's not okay. And she starts, it's not okay. It's not, she starts screaming and now she's like angry and she's like, yeah, it's not okay. It's not fucking okay. It's not okay. I just got fucking okay. It's not okay.

I just got chills. And this is really intense, tense moment. And then they start making out. Cause they're all riled up. Cut to we got a sex montage. They are monsters pushing her up against the wall. We see monsters claws on her back. We're seeing her hands on his hairy monster back.

They're making out. It's intense. Seems pretty great. Cut two afterwards, they're laying in bed and they're like, Laura's like, holy shit, is it supposed, that was amazing. Like the sex is supposed to be that good. Oh my God.

Just like absolutely on cloud nine. This was a great, a great night for everyone involved. She goes to the bathroom to sort of clean herself up and we catch her looking in the mirror at herself and she's just like, I just saw the monster, oh my God. Just like really like, whoa, and that was great. And look at me, really feeling herself. And she hears the piano from the other room,

and she comes out, and Monster's sitting at the piano, and he starts playing a song. She knows the song, and he's like, come on, sing the song. And she's like, I'm not gonna sing the song. He's like, if you don't sing the song, I'm gonna sing the song. And so he starts singing, and it's bad and funny, and he's not a very good singer, and he's like, come on, wouldn't you rather't sing the song, I'm gonna sing the song. And so he starts singing and it's bad and funny and he's not a very good singer.

And he's like, come on, wouldn't you rather be singing the song? And so she starts singing, just gorgeous voice, and they're sitting at the piano together and that song and singing starts being played over. Now we have a relationship montage and we see them being cute with each other, cuddling on the couch, making out,

having like a, it's like they're falling for each other and it's very sweet. The montage ends with them getting ready for bed one night and they kiss and she gets into bed and we see him get under the bed and he goes to sleep under the bed and she's got like a little smile on her face. It's very, very sweet.

Next day, she's getting ready to leave for the day and Monster asks her like, what are you doing today? What's your day like? She says, well, I gotta go get blood work done and then I go to rehearsal and then nothing. I'm kind of wide open. And he's like, okay, well, you wanna,

should we like have a date? And she's like, yeah, let's have a date. How's 8 p.m.? And he's like, great, 8 p.m. See you at 8 p.m. And it's like, they're like really into each other. You know, it's that stage where they're like, I mean, I could hang out if you wanna hang out.

And he's like, well, I wanna hang out if you wanna hang out. And we're like, okay, it's on. Things are feeling great. We're just being romantic. She goes to get her blood work done and it's that same rude nurse from before trying to find a vein poking around in her arm

and the nurse says to her, you have really bad veins. And she says, I'm a bad nurse. So she's like standing up for herself finally, snapping back, monsters giving her confidence. Everything's coming up Laura. And then she goes to rehearsal and it's Laurie, the character's big song. So they're rehearsing it and we get this moment of like,

there's this big scene, intermission happens. They're like saying this intermission happens and then the song starts right at the second half. But like, for the sake of the exercise, let's just go right through, let's do the scene and go right into the song. So, they're doing the scene, Laura is on stage in the background as part of the ensemble,

and Jackie begins the song, and Jacob pretty immediately cuts her off, stops her and is like, Jackie, you're giving me nothing, like, it's not, what's going on, like, it's not working, take it again, this time, stops her and is like, Jackie, you're giving me nothing. Like, that's not, what's going on? Like, it's not working. Take it again. This time, like, can you really, can you like, give me something?

You know, like, put some emotion into it. I need to see the story. And she's like, yep, absolutely. You know, embarrassed to be getting it wrong in front of everybody. I'll try it again. Start the song again. She starts it.

He stops it again and is like, what's going on? Like, where are you? I just feel like you're not like connecting. Like, this it again and is like, what's going on? Like, where are you? I just feel like you're not like connecting, like this isn't working, like what's going on? Just being so fucking rude to her in front of everyone, talking her down. She is clearly getting up, she's like on the verge of tears, trying to keep it together.

And Laura from the background says, Jacob, why don't you just lay off? And everyone's like, oh shit. Jacob says, Laura, why don't you just lay off? And everyone's like, oh, shit. Oh, shit. Jacob says, Laura, stay out of this. And while I have you, you're too far forward, like the ensemble needs to be further back. And she's like, you know what?

No, fuck you. And she steps forward and she lets him have it about everything. He's like, now's not the time for this, Laura. And she's like, I'm gonna make's not the time for this, Lauren. She's like, I'm gonna make it the fucking time for this. You're a piece of shit. You can't talk to her like that.

Also, what the fuck, like everything you did with this show, like you fucking broke up with me when I had, she like lets him have it. Everyone else in the room is like, what do we do? Like, what do we do? Like, what do we do? It escalates, she's screaming at him and it all escalates to her calling him. I think she says that he is a limp dick little fuck face

or something like that, which is something that Monster kept calling him. And she'd be like, don't say that about him. And he's like, well, he's a limp dick fuck face. And so she screams at him. And the, I guess producer, stage manager, that's what you call it in theater. So that's Ford and he's like, okay, let's take five everybody.

We're gonna take a little breather. Let's call it there. You know, Laura comes up to Maisie and is like, Maisie's like, that was pretty crazy of you to have just done that. And she's like, he can't fucking talk to people like that. Like the way he was talking to Jackie was so rude. And Maisie's like, well, you know, he's a director

and directors do talk to people like that. And honestly, like you were kind of the weird one for getting in his face. And Laura's like, you know what, Maisie, you're a shitty friend. You're a shitty friend. You're a shitty friend. You're not there for me when you say you're gonna be there for me.

You don't have my back on this. And Maisie's like, I'm the only friend you have. Sorry, you don't have a boyfriend. Who else is gonna pick you up from the hospital? I'm sorry, do you see a bunch of other people clamoring to be there for you? Why don't you come and talk to me when you're yourself again? Because whatever this person is, you're like acting crazy.

And Laura says, this is me now. And he's like, fine, fucking whatever and storms out. Wants her to be a wet blanket. She doesn't want to be a wet blanket anymore. Just then Jacob says, Laura, can I talk to you? Calls are under his office to be like, what the fuck was that today? Like, you can't talk to me like that. And she reveals to him, A, I saw you on Halloween with Jackie,

and how could you do this to me? Just like, this part was mine, you were gonna give me my dream, I helped you develop this show, and then you took it all away, and also you, how did you, like, fall out of love with me so fast? Like, I just, I don't understand what I did.

And it's like the first time she's actually expressing her feelings to him, and she's crying, and is like, what really fucking sucks about all of this is, I'm still in love with you. Like, I wish I weren't. I fucking hate myself for it. But I don't understand, like, how can you just fall out of love with me? Like, how did you do that? Just fucking tell me how you did that. And then I will move on.

But like, right now, this is just too fucking hard. And he kisses her. Oh God. And they start making out. We all knew it was coming. And they have sex in his office. And afterwards, literally as he is zipping up his pants, he goes, this is really uncomfortable, but.

Okay. You can't be in the show anymore. Um, the producers think that you're a loose cannon and, um, you're fired. And she storms out in a absolute haze of like, what the fuck did I just do? What just happened? Gets home, she's late for her day with Monster. Calls to him, Monster, no answer. She goes upstairs, goes into her closet.

Monster walks in and it looks like a normal closet, but then she pulls the clothes back and realizes there's a whole portal there, essentially, like a door into, she walks through, and enters into what we see is Monster's apartment. And it's kind of this mishmash, shabby little room made out of the back of a closet But he's got his own little TV is a little kitchen. It's like a really fun little set

I loved this moment and he has a little table set up with candle and Dinner plates he's like ready for their date and he says like oh did rehearsal run long. She's like yeah, sorry And she's like, oh, did rehearsal run long? She's like, yeah, sorry. Got into a fight with Maisie and then I got fired and it was just a pretty bad day. She's like, won't make eye contact with him. And he's like, well, did something happen? You're like, not looking at me.

She's like, well, yeah, I actually had a big talk with Jacob and you know, I was like, well, yeah, I actually had a big talk with Jacob and, you know, I don't really know what happened or how it happened. And he's just like, did you guys kiss? She just kind of looks at him and he's like, oh, why? Like, why, why would you do that? Why would you do that to me? And she, in her guilt and shame, is like,

I don't know, it's just really confusing and it's all really hard for me. And like, we can't ever be together. Like, you're a monster. You're a monster that lives in my closet. Like, what do you think this is? Like, what are we doing here? Obviously we're not gonna be together.

And, and he, you know, he's getting really hurt and upset and it's like, oh, that's like what we're doing. And she's like, yeah, you're, you're, you're disgusting monster. Like you're a monster. I I'm fucked up. Like we're not gonna be together. Like what was this? And she's like, forget it.

Like we can't do this. And like storms out, storms out of the closet, shuts the closet door, braces the door shut. And Monster's like, Laura, Laura, just fuck, like, come on, let's talk. Is like trying to like open the closet door and she's barricading it shut. We get a flashback to her being a little girl,

being like scared that there's something in her closet and like bracing the closet door shut, just not wanting to deal with it, not wanting to confront it. And Monster, we hear Monster say from behind the door is like, fine, you'll never see me again. And it goes quiet. Laura's crying, she slumps down and immediately feels terrible and calls out to him, monster, monster, I'm sorry. Opens up the closet door, monster, come back, let's talk.

Goes to go through the portal to go to his room. Just a regular closet. There's no way to get through. Oh no. Just calling for him, monster, monster, don't leave me. Nothing. Hm, monster's gone. Next day, she's sad.

She's home alone. She's not doing the show. Milster's gone. She gets a text from Jackie that says, can we talk? I'm in your neighborhood. OK. So she goes on a walk with Jackie. Jackie says, thank you for standing up for me

the other day. Also, I just learned about you and Jacob. Like I didn't know that you had been together. I didn't know the part was written for you. I feel terrible. I'm just so sorry about all of it. And Laura's like, it's okay. He's allowed to do whatever he wants.

Like we're not together. You didn't do anything wrong by sleeping with him. And she's like, whoa, wait, wait, what? I didn't, I've never slept with him. Like I have not, like he flirts with me a lot, which feels weird for me because he's like my boss. So I go along with it, but like, I don't trust me. Like nothing has happened.

So we see Laura be like, huh, I saw him have sex with someone. And Jackie's like, you know, I'm just I can't believe like you made this show with him, and I'm just so mad that he gets to get away with it. And Laura's like, yeah, well, he will. Like, that's the way the world's like. There's nothing any of us can do. He's just going to get away with it, whatever.

And Jackie's like, well, I had an idea. Cut two. It's opening night of the show, and we see sneaking through the theater, in a headscarf, big sunglasses, classic disguise look, Laura sneaking through the backstage. We see the stage manager is in on it, and he's like, all right, Laura, I got you like go, go sneak through.

You got it. You got it. As she's sneaking up to what was Jackie's dressing room, she sees in the stairwell, Jacob having sex with Maisie. Oh, no. And Maisie sees Laura, but Jacob doesn't. But they lock eyes. Laura just keeps on going, goes to her dressing room. Few minutes later, Maisie runs in, in tears, freaking out, oh my God, Laura,

what are you doing here? I'm so sorry, it just, you know, we just started getting closer and closer, and then we didn't know what to tell you, and he was so scared, and I was so scared, and like Laura, forgive me, I'm so sorry, like I'm like so such a bad friend, forgive me, I'm so sorry. Like, I'm like, so such a bad friend and like, please don't be mad at me.

And Laura absolutely like dead faced, just says like, get the fuck out of my dressing room. No sympathy, no anger even. It's just like, get out. Like, you are not my friend, goodbye. Done. I mean, it's like, okay. So, we start the show.

We're seeing the audience filter in. We're seeing Caroline's parents in the audience. We're seeing Caroline's in-laws in the audience. And we see Jacob in his suit, standing in the back, looking at the stage. We're like, okay, here we go, ready to go. We see Jackie sitting in the audience, looking at the stage, we're like, okay, here we go, ready to go. We see Jackie sitting in the audience, looking excited. Curtain comes up, it's the opening of the show,

and there is Laura on stage, playing Laurie in the lead role. Wonderful. Jacob from the audience looks fucking furious. How the fuck did this happen? But the show has started, it's happening. So we get sort of this montage, the first half of the show, it's going well.

She's doing great, the audience is loving it. We get to that crucial right before intermission moment that we saw before where she's like moves to center stage about to start her big song. But before that we have intermission. So lights go down, curtain comes down. Jacob rushes backstage. He gets onto that stage with Laura

and he tells her, he's like, get out of here. And he's like, Laura, what the fuck are you doing? You are ruining my life. This is my show. There's the New York fucking times is here. You're not doing the show I rehearsed at all. Like you're gonna, you're ruining my life. And as, as she sees him coming,

she's like fucking fired up, ready to go. She's feeling empowered. She grabs, cause it's like a school themed musical. There's like a big ruler on the desk set next to her. She grabs it, she breaks it in half. She's like a big ruler on the desk set next to her. She grabs it, she breaks it in half. She's like holding this jagged fucking ruler in her hand. And she says, how long has it been going on with Maisie?

He's like, what? She's like, how long? And he's like, that's what you care about? Who fucking cares? Yeah, whatever, I was sleeping with your best friend. Like, you're ruining my life. You're ruining my show. Like, laughs in her face.

Just an absolute piece of shit. And she says, very cool, calm and collected. The lights, by the way, start to flicker. We hear from the shadows a low growl. And she says to Jacob, Jacob, step the fuck away from me. And he says, or what? And she says, or I'll rip your fucking throat out. Ooh, baby, it comes out.

Curtains up, second half. And we have Laura standing in the middle of the stage ready for her big song. And we see that Laura is covered in blood. Okay. Close up on her face. She's looking a little rattled. She starts her song and at first it's like looking a little like, uh-oh, what's happening

here? But then she starts getting into it and she starts belting it out and she's now she's in it and she is singing and it's going great and she is like living in it. In her cut, as we're hearing the song, we cut back to just a few minutes prior and we see as she's having this fight with Jacob, monster step out of the shadows. Jacob looks to him, is very scared because he is a scary monster, lifts up his hand, slashes Jacob's throat. Blood spurts all over Laura.

Jacob falls to the ground. Cut back to the current moment, Laura's singing her song. We pan back over the full view of the stage, and we see Jacob's body lying dead on the stage with a pool of blood around his head. She is belting, she is spinning on the stage, she is fucking loving it, she is doing the best performance of her life.

We see the audience starting to be like, wait, what's happening? Is that real, is that part of the show? Is there a fucking guy dead on this? Is she, wait, she covered in blood? They're like, we're just being sure like, is this part of the show, like what's happening? But she is in it and she is crushing it.

The song ends, she's there, spotlight alone in the center of the stage. The audience is now starting to freak out. Close up on Laura's face. She looks absolutely thrilled. Zoom in on her eyes and they become a little bit like monster eyes. And that's the end of the movie. Whoa.

Oh my God, amazing. Catharsis for all. Catharsis for all. Happy ending. A happy ending. Happy ending. Beautiful ending. Oh, I should note too that,

next to Jacob's body on the ground is that jagged ruler. So we're a little bit like- Who did the killing? Did she kill Jacob? Yep. There's a possibility. Is monster real? Is kill Jacob? Yep. There's a possibility. The monster killed Jacob. Is monster real? Is monster real?

Yep. I would like to believe that monster is real. Yes. I think they're going to have a beautiful babies together. Live a lovely little weird monster life together. Yeah. Half monster, half human babies.

Mm-hmm. That's your monster. There it is. Wow. Wow, I loved it. I loved it. I loved every second. I can't wait to actually see it with my own two eyes.

It's a beautiful story. It's a beautiful movie to see. It's visually beautiful. The music is great. The performances are great. I had the final song stuck in my head. Me too. And it is available to be listened to.

Oh, is it? Oh, I'm going to. It's called Hello Stranger or Something Stranger. And yeah, there is a recording of it, of Melissa Brer singing it. And she is great. She's so talented. I didn't get to, I wanted to so much go into so many more little details about Monster. He's so funny. I love Monster. He's hilarious. He's so charming.

So it's such a funny script. Like our friend Caroline is so funny and so talented. And it's like really quirky and specific and strange and funny and cute and lovely. And yeah, it's just really, it's a great movie. It's a great script, great performances. And I think it's cozy. I think it's a good holiday season.

And I think it's cozy. I feel like throw this on when it's out on VOD. I just, it's gonna be a, you're curled up in your robe. You've got- Oh my God, it's a perfect robe movie. Oh my God, it's a perfect robe movie. Gonna be a really it's a perfect robe movie. It's gonna be a really lovely evening. I'll be doing that. I will be doing that. Me too.

And I'll be doing it 100%. Oh, amazing. Great. Wow, what a film. What a wonderful time. Our friend made a movie. Our friend made a movie and it's really, really good. It's really good.

And I'm just so happy. It's so surreal for so many reasons. Yeah. Your ex died in the movie. Oh, I don't want him to actually die, you guys, but fun to watch a movie of. So fun to watch on the screen. But the character manifestation in a sort of surreal,

larger than life fantasy version. Very satisfying. Highly recommend befriending a writer director that also dated someone who you had a negative experience with. And I wish that for everybody that you all- I wish that for everybody. You all may have this satisfying experience. But also I think it could be a

satisfying experience for someone who just sees shades of their own toxic ex. We've all got them. Or toxic self-talk of like putting yourself down and keeping yourself from just having the things that ought to be yours. It's like a great story of just recognizing, and I'm not saying that in order to have that, you should kill somebody. Obviously, I'm not saying that, but just to like fucking take up space. Yeah. It's cool to see that that character portrayed in something too, of a woman who's just like, I'm going to fucking get mad and I'm gonna act crazy and I'm gonna say what's true because it is

and I'm gonna have feelings. And I think it's awesome. Yeah, yep. I love it. I love it. And we've got a freaking interview. You better believe we were blessed by Caroline's presence and talked more about this movie.

So let's hear that interview. Let's hear it. We got to hear it. Our freaking very first guest on the podcast is returning five years later. It's been five years. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Five years. Yeah,. Isn't that crazy? Yeah.

Five years. Yeah, five, a little more than five. I think a little more than five years, yeah. How old are we? Caroline Lindy, I gotta say her name, I forgot. That's who it is. That's who we're talking to. Our beautiful friend, our talented writer,

director of Your Monster. Wow, five years. Can you believe it? Made a horror movie. I made a spooky movie. You made a spooky movie. I mean, you're the group to tell me. I think, I don't know if it's,

is this horror, would this constitute horror? I feel like- There's horror elements. There's horror elements, yeah. And I feel like there's a lot of movies I consider horror... in my heart that I, in my brain, know are not actually horror movies. Like, I just rewatched Green Room, which... Is a horror movie?

...is very violent, but I kind of, in my brain, I'm like, it's not actually a horror movie. Wait, no way. You don't think Green Room is a horror movie? It's like a thrill, a really violent thriller. What would you consider Rocky Horror Picture Show? Does say horror in the title. Hmm. It does.

But I'd consider it a musical. And it's like, again, horror elements. Horror elements. I would say, yeah, I would say Your Monster, if I had to put it in one box, which why would I ever, but if I had to put it in one box, I would put it in the rom-com box, which I mean as just the utmost compliment.

Thank you. With good core elements. But like if I was like, I don't know, kind of watch like a, I would just want a really good rom-com. I would, that I would put your monster in that category. But there's also some spooky stuff. Yeah, there's definitely there's some light spooks.

But yeah, no, I consider it a spooky romcom. Yeah, spooky romcom. Caroline, we might have asked you this on the second episode of this podcast, but I don't recall. So tell us again your kind of history with horror movies. Did you like them growing up? When did you, which ones do you like? And what does Henley always say? Do you like them? Do you love them? Do you like them or do you love them? Listen, I love them. I love them. And I've also, I have a love hate relationship with

them. Sure. Actually, you know, I'm, I'm your ideal audience member because I just, I love them so much. I'm just so afraid of what they, what the subjects matter. What they're implying could happen in my life. You find scary movies scary. I find scary movies to be extremely scary. I find scary movies to be extremely scary. So scary that I will be up all night for months after I see a movie that really rocks my core. The ring and the grudge really fucked me up. Yeah, those were terrible.

I couldn't... The grudge, your covers weren't safe. I thought at least the bed was a safe zone, like, ghost-free zone. But after I saw the grudge, I'm like, I don't even have that anymore. This bitch could be under the covers. Yeah, it's not okay.

I'll pop out right over my face. No, I know. Really bad, really bad. And I think because I have such a... I really, my imagination can go pretty wild when I let it go off and I just, and especially at night. So those horror movies become very real at the stroke of midnight to me. But I love them so much. So I don't know. I love them. I'm afraid of them. I think I just so I love them. I'm gonna say I love horror movies.

Okay, do you have any that you like like or besides The Ring and The Grudge, would you hate but are there any others that you like? Obviously The Shining, Rosemary's Baby. I think The Exorcist is definitely my favorite. Oh, yeah, like that time. Yeah, more of a classic. More of a classic horror films, I think are the ones that really get me going. I consider ET kind of horror sci-fi. I was very scared of ET. Married to ET. When ET comes out of-

The movie, not the guy. When he comes out of the bushes and when he comes out of the shed, his black silhouette, and he's doing that weird little grunting walk towards Elliot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was terrified. I mean, I got to love the 90s classics like scary movie. Scream. Scream. I mean not scary movie, scream.

Yeah. Yes. I know what you did last summer. I know what you did last summer. Those are all really fun. And what's the one with Michelle Pfeiffer and Harrison Ford? Oh, what lies beneath. We all watched that together, didn't we? What lies beneath. Love that movie. Yeah, we did. We watched it at Kathleen's.

And then there's the fly and the thing. Mm-hmm. Ooh, do love the thing. Don't love the fly. Ooh, the fly's gross. Chucky's great. Oh my God, Chucky's so funny. Chucky really scared me, but it wasn't Chucky.

It was the Goosebumps TV show of Chucky that scared me, that convinced me a doll was gonna jump out of my closet. Oh, and then is it with Nicole Kidman, The Hours? No. The others. The others. Yeah, she is in The Hours as well. She is also in that one.

She's in a lot of things. She's in so much. She's in so much. That woman loves to work. She loves to work. God bless her. And you know what? The Conjuring.

Gotta love The Conjuring. Ooh, Carol, that's scary. Gotta love The Conjuring. It's really scary. I know, but that one, that one for some reason I really can handle. I'm like, let's go on a fun ride tonight. Wow, so fascinating.

Yeah, well it really scares people and then which ones they can handle. Cause for me, The Conjuring was like one of the scariest movies. That one really scarred me. But now I've come around and now I love it again. But that was a tough one for me. Would you consider Seven a horror?

I would consider Seven a horror movie. I wouldn't, but we did do it on the podcast. That's interesting because I am in the green room camp with this. I feel like it's a very violent thriller. I don't think it's a horror movie. Yeah. It's like it's a very violent thriller. I don't think it's a horror movie. Yeah. It's like psychological thriller. It's like a crime murder mystery.

It's, but again, horror elements, really horrific stuff in there. Really upsetting stuff. Really upsetting stuff. The best research montage though. Such a good research montage. Oh man. I love a good research montage.

Really showing us how it's done. It's a good montage. Yeah, same. how it's done. Have a good montage. Yeah, same. There were some great montages in Your Monster. I'm just gonna come out and say, we had some really good montage. Yeah, wait, Caroline, tell us, what was your favorite part of filming this movie?

Did your favorite part of the movie that was the most fun to film? Or the whole experience, yeah. Yeah, exactly, and the experience of it. What has been the best part? I mean, probably working with the actors is really special, they're all fantastic. They're so fantastic in this movie.

You are a very talented actor yourself, sorry, I'm just gonna say it. And it's, you really got such good performances out of your actors, it's like really, yeah, every single person was such a delight to watch. That's so nice. That's great. Thank you for saying that.

And they're really all very talented and special people. So I think that was a really wonderful part of the experience. And also I think working with Dave Anderson, who was our special effects makeup artist, who- Did such a good job, the monster, your monster. who was our special effects makeup artist who... Did such a good job. The monster, your monster. Did this for free.

What? What? Oh, let's put him on blast. What? Give us his contact. This man will work for free. Two time Oscar-winning special effects. This man loves to work for free. Don't, don't, don't say that. No, no, he was like,

I don't ever get to make lovable monsters. Oh, I love that. Oh, he's so lovable. I have seen a lot of comments about how this monster's hot. There's, people are thirsting for this monster. I want to talk about the creature design on Monster because he does look like a monster

and there are parts where he is gross and you made him monster-like. But he is also hot. And also Tommy Dewey is just so, so, so charming. But I want to know about the inspiration for the monster aesthetic that you guys went with for him. Well, he obviously, uh, we started with Beauty and the Beast. Sure. You get that. The original cartoon, the Broadway version.

And then we combined that with like a Goat Man face. Uh-huh. I'm into it. You go on these prosthetic websites for the short film when I had no money to make this movie. There's only like a few monster masks that are available. Like mail order. Yeah. And one of them was Goatman.

Great. And I was like, Goatman is kind of hot. Oh, that'll be fun. So we took a little bit of Beast from Beauty and the Beast. We took Goatman from the short. And then Dave and I kind of found, we kept on bringing up Wizard of Oz, and then we found what if we incorporate, you know, subtle characteristics of the Tin Man, the Scarecrow, and the Lion.

Oh, cool. Very cool. Kind of a lion-like nose into cheek area. Yeah. Yeah. More from goat to lion. But there's still, I mean, when Dave, he's actually, he has, you know, clay and he sculpts a face. He, you know, he gets Tommy's face, a mold of Tommy's face, then on top of it, he's kind of incredible, starts designing this monster mask. And then we obviously paid for the materials for the, for the feature. But Dave didn't take a fee. No, he's completely impoverished after making your movie, right?

He just, you just- He sold his house. He ruined his man. I love to try people's lives. For little indie films. I also wanted to ask about the costume design because Melissa Barrera plays a fictionalized version of you and I... What? I mean, maybe inspired by who's to say.

Maybe a little bit, a little true-ish. Not at all. And there were so many outfits she wore that I was like, this is Caroline. They just took this from Caroline's closet. This is from Caroline's closet. And I'd like to know about your discussions with the costume designer and just like, did you show her your closet? Did you just show her, just do this? His name was actually, it was a very talented man named Matthew Simonelli. And he worked for free. He did not work for free, but he worked for

way less than his normal rate. Pretty much no one got paid that much working on this movie. But I think he really understood the assignment and I had a mood board for him and he had a mood board and he kind of, we found, you know, something in the middle. But I think he really understood after when I sent him this look book of like, what if Laura wears, you know, I wanted her to be, she's someone who is not in touch with her body and she feels a lot of shame and a lot of self-doubt. So, you know, layers of clothes covering herself up. I like to cover myself up in cold all the time. I like to be cozy. And I don't think

women should show their bodies. No, they should not. We're getting a lot of good clips from this. A lot of good things are just going to cut out. A lot of good sound bites. Really good. We're going to, yeah, Frank, invite this whole interview and people are going to come for you.

Caroline is a terrible person. In particular, she wears an outfit, I think, when she gets back from the hospital and it's a big... That sweater and skirt. Sweater and like quilted skirt that I was obsessed with. And I was like, is this Caroline's personal clothing? I loved it. Well, none of the clothes, I mean, especially like

who would go home from the hospital in that outfit. But I think that was a way of hinting to the audience that this is not like a real world. Yeah. from the hospital in that outfit. But I think that was a way of hinting to the audience that this is not like a real world. Yeah. This is fantastical, this is fun, and it's a fairy tale. And so our characters get to wear whatever we want them to wear. And we can show off notes of her personality

and what she's feeling with that costume, which was like she feels heavy, she feels cold, she feels, yeah, she wants to cover herself up and she needs warmth. But it's still interesting and different and it's a quilt of all these different colors and so there's so much going on beneath the surface, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

So every, I mean, H, Matthew really took so much time and really every decision, everything that was on, on Laura's body, every article of clothing was very carefully picked out and thought about. And yeah, he's, he's a very talented costume designer. We are, we were lucky to have him. And yeah, and then all the costumes and the musical. And the Halloween costumes. And the Halloween costume was really- It's a feast for the eyes, this movie.

It really is. It's like, when you talk about Wizard of Oz and Fairy Tale World, it does feel at times like kind of technicolor in this, like really. It's just very visually pleasing. And sparkly. Speaking of Wizard of Oz, I kept on calling this movie a movie with lions and tigers and bears on mind. It's like, let's throw that in there, why not?

Yeah, let's put on a show. Was there anything that surprised you while filming it? Like, this is your first time directing a huge movie, not your last, you're going to do a gazillion more. But was there anything that surprised you in this experience like you weren't expecting? Oh, my God. I have so many things. -♪ PAULA LAUGHS you know, when you're making a feature film,

you're setting up a company in a very, very short period of time. You have to hire so many people. So many people and you have to get so many artists. Yeah, organized. Organized and to be moving as like one unit for 20 days. And that takes an enormous amount of work. moving as like one unit for 20 days. And that takes an enormous amount of work and manpower. And when you think about sending up any other company for $2 million, it takes months and months

and months of work, but with an indie gorilla style film like this, it was like, so fast. Yeah, I just think that it really hit me. I was like, Oh my God, yeah, you're setting up a company. We have to make sure the company works efficiently. And so we can get to, you know, the end result in the most efficient way possible. And yeah, when you from an outside perspective, you're like, it's a giant art project. And it is. Right. It's awesome.

Like, you know. A business. A business. And there's so much administration that goes into it. So much like admin bureaucracy. Yeah. You have like a vision of a director just like sitting in a chair being like,

yes, no, good, keep going. Yes. You know what I mean? It's like. I think probably on bigger films, that's what it's like. But on a smaller film like this, it's not at all. You're wearing all the hats. Yeah, you're a part of everything. And, I mean, we had great producers, Kayla Foster produced the show of this movie.

But still, you know, like a little company, a little movie, lots of moving pieces to get it to all come together. And what percentage, I think I know the answer to this, but of filming, were you pregnant for the whole time? 100%? Yes, I was pregnant right after. I was planning the wedding during, I was planning, sure. Oh, yes. Oh my God. I forgot you're planning a wedding. Okay, so it was movie, wedding, baby Sundance. No,

sorry, movie, wedding, pregnancy, Sundance, baby movie coming out. Yes. Real normal year you've had. That's a crazy and then annual during all of that. Oh my God. Crazy. And I'm so much. I'm a wee little tired. I bet you are. A little bit tired.

That is a lot, that is a lot. It's a lot. Was there any part of filming or the making of the movie, I mean, Miss Maybe is slightly included in your previous answer, but like, did anything scary happen? Ooh. Oh my God.

Any spooky? Any haunted sets? Any midnight ghosts with a gun? Did anything spooky happen? Oh God, I wish something spooky. I mean, the, this is not horror spooky, this is like crime spooky. Ooh, a crime?

Crime spooky. Crime happened. We'll take it. Yes, tell us. Well, the theater that we shot all the musical theater stuff in, like that felt pretty haunted, that theater. Yeah, yes. But we shot it in New Jersey. And I don't really know the details of what happened, but someone said something to someone

in the fire department that maybe there was like the fire department in Newark, New Jersey is associated with the mafia. And someone on the team said something to someone on the fire department who came by or set got into some sort of little argument. And then I heard, well, we gotta be careful, or, you know, like mafia guys are gonna come. And he was like, what the hell is going on? Call the cops, we need to call the cops.

You pissed off the mafia somehow? We pissed off the mafia somehow. Like as I was halfway through shooting, like the musical with dancers and big like little green dresses. Girlies just sort of like bouncing around on the couch. And I was like, well, I hope I don't die at the end of this. So they don't whack me. I hope I don't get whacked making my first feature.

Never step foot in New Jersey again, Caroline. Really bad time to get whacked while I'm making my first feature. Making my horror rom-com musical. That'd be a good title for a memoir, that time I got whacked while making my horror comedy musical. I love that. Feature number two.

Oh my God. Caroline, this is insane. I know. It's just crazy, crazy town. We're so proud of you. And I've got to say a little thank you. I got a secondhand catharsis. A little tidbit is that I also dated the person that this is loosely based on. And yeah. We didn't talk about it.

What a freaking story. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you.

I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I also dated the person that this is loosely based on. We didn't talk about it. What a freaking gift for me to get to watch this. Yes, it was so yeah. Thank you for making it. How did you feel the ending?

Did you feel was it? I felt great. Satisfied? I was satisfied, very satisfied. Oh, Caroline. And... You've done an amazing thing. You've done such an amazing thing.

You've done a really amazing thing. Yeah, good job. Thank you. Thank you. I really appreciate it. Oh, just good old-fashioned fun. It really is. It's just good old-fashioned fun at the movies.

And for the listeners, it's not too scary. This is one that you can all handle. I think it's coming to VOD on November 12th. I looked that up. Is that correct? I'm not sure if it's gonna be in theaters. Actually, Caroline, can you tell me if it's gonna be in theater?

What should I be saying right now? It is going to, I'm not sure how much longer it's gonna be in theaters this potentially one more week. And then it will be on a streaming platform next year, which I can't announce. Okay. Which one, but great. But it can be purchased, purchased before then it won't be until like next February or the end of January or something.

Okay. Purchase it. So if you're listening to this, which I know you are. Go to the theaters if it's in the next week. If you're listening to this, I know you're listening. I know you're fucking listening, so listen up. Keep listening. Keep listening and go buy those ticks online.

Just do a little Google, you're a monster. Buy those ticks. Okay. Tickets, go to the theater if you can. Rent on VOD. Buy on you can, rent on VOD. Buy on VOD. Buy on VOD. Buy on VOD.

Why not? Buy on VOD. You'll have the first feature length film by Caroline Lindy in your arsenal. So buy it. Just buy it. Buy it. Buy it. We love you Caroline. Thank buy it, buy it, buy it. We love you, Caroline.

Thank you for talking to us. We love this movie. I'm so excited for the rest of your career and everything else you do. You're so talented and I'm just so proud of you and so happy to know you and to scream from the rooftops that everybody needs to follow Caroline Lindy's work career. She's doing great things, you guys.

Yeah. Oh, I love you. We love you. Love you. We love your monster. Oh my God. I loved to hear it. What a good.

I loved that. What a wonderful interview. We really all did so good there. Best interview ever, I think. About as good an interview as making your own whole movie. Oh, we love Caroline. We love each other. We love women. We love horror movies. We love other, we love women, we love horror movies.

We love hot anything, monsters, dads, you name it. Hot dads, hot monsters. Wait, did you guys see that Robert Pattinson got basically awarded hottest dad? There's like a magazine cover where it was like, hottest new dad. We, yeah. Heard it here first, folks.

We heard it here first. You can sue them for plagiarism. You better believe. Yeah, and you'll be hearing from our lawyers. Yeah, thank you to Caroline. This is the happiest I've ever felt at the end of an episode. Yeah, we all feel good. Everybody feels good. We just feel good.

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