Tooth & Claw: True Stories of Animal Attacks - Alligator Attack - Diving for Megalodon Teeth in Gator Country

Episode Date: April 29, 2024

What began as a routine dive to search for megalodon teeth on the bottom of a South Carolina river turned into a desperate, oxygen-deprived fight to survive for Will Georgitis. Here's the gofundme link if you are interested in helping Will out! https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-williams-recovery-from-alligator-attack ~~ To advertise on the show, contact us! ~~ Tooth & Claw is brought to you by QCODE. Support the show and get access to an extensive library of exclusive episodes like this by supporting the show on Patreon or joining the Grizzly Club on Apple Podcasts. For the latest updates on the show and all things wildlife, follow us at toothandclawpod.com and social:  Instagram: @ToothandClawPodcast Twitter: @ToothandClawPod Wes: @GrizKid Jeff: @jefe_larson Mike: @mikey3ds Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, Toothies. Welcome to Tooth and Claw podcast. We got our wildlife biologist here in Salt Lake City, West Larson. Here I am in the old Great Salt Lake City, Salty Lake. I went to like a party the other day. No brag, but I did get invited to a party. Nice. And there's like eight strangers who knew who I was from the podcast.

But when I was talking to at least one of them, they didn't know we were brothers, which I thought was interesting. We are brothers. Yep. And Mike's like an honorary brother. Yeah. Mike Smith, our best friend, and he promises he'll get most of the episode out on Spotify for this one. I won't promise more than that.

Are you going to combine it with another podcast again? Listen, I work hard, but not that hard. Mike keeps telling me about my birthday present he has at his place. but every time he comes over here, what would you guess it is? Do the birthday present? Oh, I thought you were asking me. Yeah, I thought you were asking Mike, too.

Well, this probably had a good guess. Do you know what it is? No, no idea. And this exists. It does. It's on his desk. Yep. I bet it's like a Pokemon or a one-piece thing.

I bet it's a one-piece thing. Did you guys go on it together? Because you got me a snorkeling mask. Do you get me like a nice snorkel? I don't think so. No, no, no. It was shipped from Vietnam. It took about a month from the time I ordered it to get there.

So I kind of, I forgot. Yeah. For a while. Yeah. And I keep forgetting. Was it a taxidermy thing? You're getting like pretty close. Yeah.

It's kind of wild. But no, not strictly speaking. But your last guess was pretty, you know, you're, you're getting close. The first guess? Yeah. Okay. So you did the Pokemon slash one piece kind of thing plus taxidermy. It's kind of like you're getting there.

Okay. I heard Vietnam because once I had a friend that got married and she was really into bats. Talk about bragging. Yeah. And so I ordered her a taxid remedied bat from the internet. But I later learned that that's not good. Like a lot of those places, they're like on Etsy and stuff. Yeah.

They're not collecting those animals ethically. So Val, you're probably listening. I know you listen. I'm sorry, your bat. Was it like? Probably wasn't collected. ethically. Yeah.

Huh. That's weird. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't like encased in anything. It was just a... No, it was like framed. Okay.

It was really cool. But it wasn't on a registry. This was kind of out of left field. Uncool. Yeah. I got Mike a one piece shirt from an Instagram ad. Yeah. And it's just the worst quality compared to what they advertise.

Instagram ads have been real bad for me recently. I think I got to stop. I'm not above wearing poring. quality clothing as you guys both know. I always wonder when we say one piece, how many, like what percent of our audience knows we're talking about like a really famous anime and who's

thinking we're talking about some weird like suede suit top. Well, it's interesting because it's like bigger than even Dragon Ball Z, but America just hasn't quite caught on. Yeah. But there's definitely a long period where when you guys would say one piece even, I would like, my mind would revert to bathing suits.

Sure. I just did it. cameo for someone where I talked a lot of one piece. Oh, it's fun. Nice. Yeah. And that's kind of like a secondary cameo that you just did just now. Yeah, except for I forget his names.

Yeah. Okay. It's on episode 556. Whoa. Nice. You remember that, but not the name. Nope. Okay.

Well, should we get into the episode? Sure. I'm ready. I'm doing this one. And I think it's going to be good. Hopefully. Oh, it's going to be great. I hope so.

If it's not, I'm out. Well, it takes place in... Do you hear what Les just said? Yeah. If it's not good, he's out. Has to wait till the end anyway to decide that. Yeah. You're not nervous then?

I think, I don't know. I'm nervous. That makes me a little nervous. So this takes place in South Carolina. And when you think South Carolina, what jobs do you think? South Carolina for jobs? Like NASCAR drivers. Yeah, I would think of like fishermen.

I would think of NASCAR drivers. I'd think of like guys catching cradads. There's probably a lot of guys catching cradads down there. Mini golf operators, people operating mini golf places. You think we got a mini golf? Have you been to Myrtle Beach? Yes, you have with me. And that's like the mini golf capital of the world.

Randomly have been like kind of just thinking every day about just putting all my money into a passion project mini golf course. Yeah. I think it's a great idea. You spoke to me about that. make the best one in the world. Each hole is a different animal thing. I'll tell you it already exists. On Quest 3,

walkabout mini-gall. Yeah, VR is going to put me out of business. Well, you guys, neither are you, how come neither of you said a job finding teeth fossils of the largest shark

that ever existed? Oh, that was my next thing. I was going to say that. That's a job, people. Like, obviously,

when parents, or when kids bring their parents to, like, the bring your dad to work day or something. Like they're not all saying that they collect fossils, but maybe one of them is. Sure, that's true. Yeah.

Megalodon. How big is this industry? It's just not like an uncommon, I like, I think. That's really cool. There's also like, there's beaches in Florida, where if you go and you bring like a sifter, you'll find fossilized shark teeth. There's like lots of them out there.

This was kind of giving me the idea that South Carolina is the best place for it. even more so than Florida, but I'm sure, you know, they're pretty close to each other. It might be that South Carolina is, like, best for Megalodon, too. Yeah. Yeah. So Megalodon, it's the largest shark that ever lived, reaching lengths up to 60 feet, which, what's the biggest whale shark we've seen? That we've seen probably, like, 25 feet. And they don't even have teeth.

Yeah. They get up to, like, 45 feet. So, like, I would say other sharks are lucky, megal, like. Megalodon don't exist anymore because then people would be way more terrified of sharks. Yeah. Because that's a scary ass shark. That movie exists and we know what it's like. Yeah.

They weighed up to 70 tons and then the Meg, which, yeah, you just made that up, went extinct about 2.6 million years ago during the Paleocene epic. Yep. So today, Megalodon teeth are highly sought after treasures for fossil collectors and shark enthusiasts around the world. Like I was saying, one of the most prolific places to find megalodont teeth is along the coast of South Carolina and the United States. But why are there so many of these enormous shark teeth concentrated in this area? Any guesses? It sounded rhetorical.

Yeah. Any guesses why I would maybe the ocean current that butts up right there is pushing them up from like I don't know yeah yeah so really chewy fish down by South Carolina there's this teeth got like milk duds there's this thing called the ice age that I guess was important for it I've seen that movie too so before the ice age sea levels were a lot higher right even what they are now and South Carolina along with, I'm sure West, you were saying Florida and Georgia, but like these areas were covered in water, right? They were underwater and there was like more shallow ocean, which the megalodons liked for like feeding. So they hung around a lot in this area. And like they went through thousands of teeth like sharks do.

So they're just shedding teeth over South Carolina. and like that area. Yeah, that makes sense. So then about 2.5 million years ago, they went extinct, right? And then 18,000 years ago, the ice age locked up a lot of the world's water. Sea levels fell 400 feet. So like all this land became uncovered and like these teeth kind of settled. But then once the ice melted, it flooded again and it like displaced and like moved these

teeth and then like the teeth were like put into rivers and like the coast of the ocean okay so does that make sense kind of yeah so south carolina is especially good the coastline because it's like has really good sediment for fossils okay it keeps them very well um and also there's coastal erosion that's happening there it's three or two to three feet per year and this reveals fossils that have been buried right Okay. So, Wes, you mentioned Myrtle Beach for mini golf. Yeah. That's a popular mini golf destination.

It is. It's popular for a lot of things. It's also world known for collecting megalodon teeth and just fossil teeth of sharks. And then the rivers are also like really good spots to look for these fossilized teeth, especially after a big storm. It kind of stirs it up. You know, you get more water going through there. Yeah. So, believe it or not, Ripley, there's a lot of people who make a living off finding these teeth and selling them.

I wish that was me. Mike, you shaking your head for that one? Yeah, I'm not. But let's put a pin in it. Yeah. Okay? The Ripley thing that's just a bridge too far, Jeff. I'm out.

Me too. What would you guys do if tomorrow you woke up and tooth and claw didn't exist? Probably kill myself Yeah, that is a pretty good option, I think But like what job do you, like what work do you think you'd go for? I mean, I'd just go back to being a full-time biologist Like look for bare jobs again? Yeah, I, like Yellowstone and then whatever is after Yellowstone

Mike, I was thinking this would be a good one for you I was just about to propose, yeah, some Meg tooth hunter Because like you just love scuba more than anything and then just like looking for shark teeth, I feel like you'd be pretty down for that. You don't have to talk to anyone. Well, that's the problem. I don't think he'd love selling the teeth.

No, you could find someone to sell for you. Yeah, I'd have a partner who I never spoke to. I'd probably be a garbage man. I've just always wanted to. That sounds great. You get, you do it, you're done early. I can watch my sports afterwards. Yeah.

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Yeah, you normally keep them for news. You usually just do your own thing. I don't follow the rules. Yep. If you're new to tooth and claw. So. You picked a good episode to start. So I read a bunch of articles.

I couldn't get an age, but I did figure out he's a 40-ish-year-old man. And I'll tell you how later. And his name is William. Georgeidis and William is one of these people in South Carolina is telling you about who you know makes it living off of finding fossils which I think is awesome yeah so he's scuba diving looking for shark teeth at a popular fossil site in the Cooper River in South Carolina and the site's nicknamed by other divers the power lines um like goofy movie power line power line yeah sure one to one I don't know I don't know I don't

know what that is. He's like the Michael Jackson analog of the goofy movie. Okay, just like that. Except for this one, it's probably for actual power lines. It sounds like a dangerous place to be in the water. There's power lines everywhere, man. This was one of his favorite

spots. He'd searched the area like 30 to 40 times, often seen lots of South Carolina wildlife, like gators, birds, and other animals on the shore. Craters. He's dropped off by his friend in a boat, and he emptied his dive suit of oxygen and sunk to the bottom of the wide river. Yeah.

Deflated that BCD, right, Mike? Yeah, that's advanced divers now with those terms. Visibility isn't the best in South Carolina rivers, and teeth are hard to pull out sometimes when you find them. So Will had a flashlight and a screwdriver to help him see and then unearthed. any prehistoric shark teeth he could find. He spends, you know, how, I mean, a tank lasts like 40 or so minutes. Depends on how deep you go. Yeah, he's about, he's 50 feet deep.

Yeah, I'd say that's roughly what you would expect. He's scavenging this dark, yeah, this dark water because like it's not the best clarity and he's deep, so it gets pretty dark, right? Mike, you're a master diver now. No. You are, that's what they call you. No one's ever called me that. Is that?

You can start calling me that. Are you? Advanced. Do they call it a master diver? Master's like a million. It's like the Eagle Scout of divers. Oh. About how much oxygen would you want in your tank before you start going up?

Like how far would you take it until you're like, I'm going to go back up now? Like 800, 700? How many minutes would that give you? Another 20. Okay. At least. Yeah. So Will,

we'll decided about 10 minutes. When he had about 10 minutes, you know, pushed it a little close. But yeah. And he's on his own under there, right? A lot of times you have to like communicate with your dive partner. He doesn't have to communicate and like plan to go up with someone.

So he checks his. He lets it get to about 10 minutes. And then he goes up. You'd probably pause like halfway up, right? For about a minute. For safety, yeah, do a safety stop just in case. Okay. So Will was fortunate.

He found a couple teeth. Oh. Yeah. And he goes to the surface. You know, I'm sure he was excited to clean the teeth off and examine his new finds, see, like, the quality and condition they were in. So I have personally scuba it twice now. And when I surface, the first thing I do is, like, look around in 360 degrees, right?

just kind of like get my bearings. Wes, you agree? Sure, yeah. And then like try to find the boat that's going to pick me up. Yeah, I would say look as many degrees as I need to find that boat. You've mainly kind of circled back to the boat, right? I've done a bunch. I've done somewhere like the boat comes and picks you up.

Yeah. And this one, he's like not surfacing right at the boat. Right. So he gets up and he starts gathering his bearings to see like his surroundings. Yeah, where the heck am I is what you said to himself. So he just found a couple of megalodon teeth. Uh-huh. So what animal do you think he saw once he surveyed his surroundings?

Uh, a shark? Some, that's, it's close. Something prehistoric. Oh, an alligator. And big. It's an alligator. He sees a giant alligator. Whoa.

Right? Yeah. Which actually isn't uncommon. He's seen as fair share. Gone like 30 or 40 times he's seen some alligators. But this alligator, I assume. Soon was equally surprised to see a large mammal pop out of the water 20 feet away from it. It was closer than they normally are when he, like, is diving in that area.

Now, you'd hope if you're will in this situation that the alligator would be kind of like hesitant to come right at him. Yeah. Uh, not the case. This alligator made a split second predator decision that he or she wanted to go bite this guy. Yeah. So this is on the surface.

Yes. Yeah. So can I add something here really quick? Oh, please. This is something that one of my, I have a friend who's very popular on social media, his name's Chris, and is like, he's got some muscles. Yeah, Gator Boy Chris is his name. But he talked about something really interesting that I took to heart is that when an alligator's on the surface

and it's looking at something on the surface, all it sees is like, if a human head pops up to it, that's how big that animal is. So if it sees his head pop up, it thinks, oh, I can take that. And it goes for it because it's not seeing the rest of his body under the water. Probably like some of his chest since he's like floating with the vest. Yeah, but for a big gator, it would be like, oh, that's in my wheelhouse. You know, that's something I can kill. So sometimes even smaller gators will attack like a head that pops up because they think it's smaller prey.

So that is like a time when you're like at a higher risk. Yeah. But this gator doesn't know he's got two meg teeth. Yeah. You know, it's going to be trouble. And just so you know, I'm going to anthropomorphize a bit. That's okay. It is in a Jeff episode.

This is a real jerk of a gator. Okay. Okay. All right. So Will says that this gator was coming for him as fast as it possibly could, literally gliding on top of the water. It says it's like hydroplane, you know. It's cool.

They're fast. Like, you got to be real fast or like it's incredibly spiritual to be able to do that. One or the other. Oh, because Jesus did it. And Peter. Yeah. Peter did it too, huh? He just was like, yeah, I'll give a shot.

He wasn't. At first, he was not as faithful. I think Jesus should have gave him more props than he did. Yeah. Like, say you have little faith. I think he's like, he's pretty good. Yeah. But, you know, I can't, I can't tell him how to.

Maybe something was lost. Austin translation. Yeah. So. Jesus would have kicked this alligator in the face. True. We've covered a lot of attack stories here on old tooth and claw. We have.

Right? Yeah. I'm putting this moment into the conversation for like scariest moment before the attack actually happened. Okay. Okay. Just floating there in the water sees this huge gator speeding at him. Yeah, that's scary. Kind of knows the inevitable that's about to happen.

but like has no options right scary stuff that is scary stuff so he doesn't have time to do much but he makes great use of the few seconds he has puts the respirator back in his mouth for his scuba and then before the gator can put its giant head or sorry before the gator put its giant mouth around his head his giant head he i think has a normal size okay he presented his arm as a sacrifice to the alligator. Oh, wow. And the reptile bit down hard. They do that.

They got one of the strongest bites. Real good bite. Yeah. Now, Wes, if the gator wanted to kill Will, what would its next move be? Gator roll. And how does that happen? So what the gator would do is they try to pull them underwater. Because especially with large prey, they know they can usually outlast them, you know, underwater.

They can hold their breath for a long time. Yeah. And then it's going to roll. And by rolling, it's like, it's breaking. things it's ripping things off but I mean their main way of killing stuff is pulling it underwater and that to rip parts off to eat is a gator roll and also to like drown something faster right yeah so like yeah and we've been a little unclear about that in the past and I probably should do some more research on on the next gator episode but like what you're saying is true like

sometimes when they're killing something they'll gator roll and then they also after they cash something like under a log yeah eat it to rip off chunks they'll gator roll too. Now you guys remember like Lindsay Bull, one of of our first guests. She was attacked by a gator here in Utah that she like took care of. Yeah, I do. Scales and tails.

You remember what she did once the gator bit her arm? I don't remember. She hugged it so that when it rolled she would like roll with it. Oh, right? So Will does the same thing. He figures that this gator's going to roll him. He says he can't say

for sure how big it was. It's Sounds like the boat didn't really get a look at it. Yeah. But he knows it as a very big alligator because he's six feet two inches, same height as me. You guys. Yeah. And he said that he couldn't lock his legs around the alligator.

Okay. Oh, wow. Thick. But he's actually, his legs are really short. Yeah. He's got a huge torso. That's the thing we all know about this guy. But he latches on to try to counter.

of the death roll, right? Yep, it's a good move. It's like us riding that electronic bowl to try to win the paddleboard that once. Yeah, I just leg strength. But I fell off immediately. Well, and then that kayaker wrote it for like 10 minutes. Yeah. It's like everywhere.

The second place was like 18 seconds. Did people watch the whole time or they just kind of leave? They got bored. Yeah. Disciated the crowd, yeah. It's funny too because he's in like a kayaking competition. He probably won more money from, like, riding the bull that was for the fans. All right.

You should start collecting Meg teeth on the side. So anyways, he latches on. They're, like, a little bit underwater at this point. He holds on to try to, like, keep a hold of it for the death rolls, right? Yeah, right. So, Mike and Wes, you both love professional wrestling. Logan Paul's your favorite right now? I'm not.

The brass knuckles. I'm not a professional wrestling. So, like, what's another new? name for like a gator roll or death roll. Maybe think of it like if a wrestler was a breakdancing with his head on top of their opponent. What could you call that? Like the cyclone.

That's a good name. I can't come up with Tasmanian devil. Isn't there a move called the screwdriver? The dradle. Yeah. I've heard screw driver, right? Sure. All right.

You would know. Well, Will didn't mention that in his recounting of the story, but I'm wondering if maybe that's what reminded him that he has a screwdriver on him. Okay. It's a reach. Screwdriver move, right? Sure. As good as any other guess.

But he remembers he has a screwdriver for getting teeth out of the bottom of the river, right? So Wes, you have a huge alligator on top of you. One of your arms is in its mouth. You're extremely close to running out of oxygen. And your free hand has a screwdriver. What's the play? Honestly, I'm probably either going for an eye or I'm trying to pry the mouth open with the screwdriver putting it in the back and just trying to get some leverage

to like get it to release its grip yeah that's probably mostly what i'm doing is going for like getting it to pry well but i will admit like this is an animal we have covered but isn't one that i'm like an expert on a total expert on yeah well will goes for the eye okay and he goes hard at it and he starts striking it yeah and instead of releasing him the alligator goes full berserkermote on him, which, you know, can't be fun. Will says the alligator turned him into a rag doll. They always do that. Yeah.

What's like, we got to come up with like another phrase. It's what we keep saying. It's a good one. It works really well. There's nothing else. And he, being a ragdoll in the water is especially bad too because he gets soggy. Sogy.

And he lost his grip on it with his legs because it was thrashing him so hard. Yeah. So like, you guys know what happens to. If you're scuba-d-up. And you're forced to use a lot of energy. You go through your air quick. Yeah. Like when you're scuba diving, one of the points is like be as relaxed as possible so you can stay down longer.

Which is hard when an alligator is biting your arm. Yes. And twisting your arm. So he's running out of air. Also stabbing it in the eye, the gator decides we're going like to my territory completely now. Yeah. Takes Will 50 feet to the bottom of the river. Will can tell it's getting deep.

because he starts feeling a lot of pressure in his ears. It's hurting. His ears are popping. Then bam, slams into the bottom of the riverbed with his arms still tightly held in the predator's mouth with all of its weight on him, which could be anywhere from like 500 to 1,000 pounds.

Yeah. It's a pretty big gator by all accounts, right? Or by his account, I guess. And it's just pushing them into the ground. Screwdriver. Tick, tip for time. Mike, you remember? Remember when you got your master diver certification?

I have no memories of that happening. When diving in the crater here in Utah, the midtown crater. Yeah. What did they instruct you not to do for the water clarity? Don't even think about getting close to the silt at the bottom of the crater. Or else it'll ruin it for weeks. They told us weeks. What did your favorite classmate do instantly?

I hated that guy. Well, first he gave me COVID. And then he kicked the silk Like immediately before you could like... Before anyone else was even in the water He was just like going for it. Went straight down to the bottom. Right.

Yeah, I just got my certification. Pretty easy to avoid doing that. Well, and especially because this was your advanced one. This is someone who already dope. This is a guy who got a master with you. Yeah. He was trying. Well, like your classmate, Mike,

this alligator did not give a fuck about water clarity. I'm sure. A lot of correlations between the two. Will said, I couldn't get up to his eye again. So I started going for his gum line, which is kind of your other option you were given, Wes. Yeah. I don't know if prying, maybe it just wasn't quite big enough of a screwdriver, but he's digging it in there in between the gator's teeth. If you pop out each of the gator's teeth one by one, eventually there won't be any teeth left and you're safe.

Yeah. And it's just gumming. It's like the kid's toy where you like have to push the teeth down before it bites you. Yeah. So he's getting these soft spots in the mouth and that seemed to work, but like seeming to work doesn't really help him. It just makes this gator go hard at him, shakes him again really hard, and at this point he runs completely out of oxygen. Something to think about when alligators and other animals like this attack prey, like think of an alligator like this eating a turtle. or like, I don't know, that shell and all of that

is going to be so much worse than what we do to it. So him, like, hitting it with the screwdriver, I'm sure it still hurts, but it's not out of the ordinary for an alligator to have, like, some injuries while it's killing something. So I think that's why sometimes that kind of stuff can be pretty futile because they take stuff that hurts them. Would you rather someone hit you with a screwdriver in the eyeball or your gums?

My gums. Me too. Yeah, that's an easy one. Yeah. Maybe. How about you? Fucking mouth. Gums are sensitive.

Your eyeballs sensitive. You will not say a single thing to convince me otherwise. No, I'll agree with you. That's a good point. All right. So we'll... Glad we can convince you of that. Not in a situation anyone would want to be in.

It's a real bad one. His survival does not seem very good right now. Yeah. He kind of had a unique advantage for most. Alligator attacks, I think, where, like, they were trying to drown. Like, the alligator is trying to drown them, and it's like, this guy's still breathing, you know? But that advantage just ran out, and he's 50 feet deep with this gator going at him hard. So Will says, so I knew that that was the end of my life at that moment.

The end. No, he's lying. Let's go to categories. No. Say it ain't so. No, I'm just joking. Will had one last resort come into his mind. He decided to give the gator his arm and try to get to the surface.

What pop culture scene do you think of when someone's like underwater with nowhere? I'm just trying to give viewers like an image right now. Underwater with no air. I can only think of Deagle under the water get in the ring when the fish pulls them underneath. There's like the Christopher Nolan one. What's the magic one? where the lady drowns in the tank. The prestige.

The prestige. That's a good one. Or Skyfall. When James Sondi, the Ice. Or Sondi in the Fishman. Arlong Park. Wow. Yeah.

Wow. All right. So now that that's images in your mind, Will puts both of his legs on the alligator, pushes against it as hard as he can with his feet. He feels the teeth taking off his arm. And then finally he escapes the grasp of one of the world's scariest mouths. Man.

So I think he skips the one minute you're supposed to spend. The safety stop. Yeah, neutralizing. Just go straight. You might get the bends. Yeah, the bends will get him. Maybe you might get the bend, but he doesn't care. He just swims to the surface

of the water. This time the boat quickly finds him and his friend pulls him into the boat because he can't get in the boat. Will take some count that he does still have both arms, but his right arm is just a limp, bloody, wet noodle. He felt... So just shredded it.

He felt like he had pulled it off. Yeah. It's like that guy with the zebra that bit his arm off. Didn't. But we can't blame anyone for feeling like it... This one case especially. Yeah. Yeah.

It was a living nightmare, Will says. All right. Will's in the boat. Bloody noodle arm, right? Yeah. And he's in big trouble. So they quickly make it to... bushy park boat landing before rushing to the hospital.

That sounds like an Australian name. Yeah, it does. Fortunately, his arm's going to make it, apparently. But he may need some additional surgeries in the future. The encounter broke the bone in his lower right arm. The other bone, like next to it, was dislocated. Surgeons inserted a metal plate securing it with nine screws. A ton of staples were needed to close the teeth wounds.

Will said that... Is there sand? Dig any sand in there? He had to have gotten some silt and sand. What? Well, probably like mud. All right. Well, there's at least a molecule of sand in there. He was told more surgery might be necessary

along with six months to recover. He says he doesn't have insurance and is working to start a GoFundMe. I checked on GoFundMe. I didn't see it yet, but it's pretty recent. To help with medical bills. And until then, people can... make a donation through Venmo at William dash Georgidis dash one.

All right. But at this point, he's not too focused on how he's going to pay for it because he's just really grateful to be alive. Yeah. Hey, tooth and claw listeners, a little cleanup at this part. So I'm a koala brain and I have ADHD and I've always been bad at reading things the correct way. So when I DMed him about the tooth, he said that.

he had 650 on it, which obviously means $650, and that he'd be willing to listen to offers. And my mind just put it together. He had 650 offers on the tooth. So it's kind of funny because I was like, oh, wow, I have no idea of what even ballpark to offer. And he was probably like, I just told you how much I had on it. But anyways, that situation was only funny because I read it wrong. And you know what?

My offer ended up being close to the price he was saying it was for anyways. But yeah, go check out his Instagram. He has some awesome teeth. Or also check our Instagram stories for the GoFundMe to help him out. So remember I pinned something a long time ago? Yeah. I remember you pin in something. That people can make money off fossils.

That's right. So let's unpin it. I'm 90% sure I found Will's Instagram. I mean, it's his name. in South Carolina and I feel like Georgidis isn't like a super common. And it's someone that collects shark teeth? Yeah. I would pump that up to 99%.

And that's how I figured out his age as well because his Instagram is voodoo fossils 84. So I figured he's born in 84. Yeah. You know? Or like really likes the book 1984. But he does look about 40. So the other like a month ago, I was. in Park City, and I went into, like, this gem place and everything.

All those, like, stores on Park City, Main Street in Utah. Yeah, you're gem shopping. They're expensive. You were in the market for some gems. Well, I saw some Megalodon teeth, and I didn't even really realize that, like, people just found those. So I was like, what are these? Where did you get these?

And they, like, told me, and it was, like, pretty expensive. So I was like, no. But anyways, I kind of wanted one since them, right? Yeah. So I was thinking of donating to Will, but instead I was like, I should just buy a tooth. Okay. So I DMed him and I found one I wanted. It, of course, ended up being like his best tooth.

So I said I wanted it and he told me that 650 people had asked him about. Holy cow. Wow. So like I was thinking of making like, you know, like a nice donation, but nothing crazy. But at this point I have no idea what to offer, but he kind of asked me like what my offer. Yeah. So, like, I give what I think is kind of a decently big number. Yeah.

And he immediately accepts it. Really? Yeah. So I might overpaid a little. But it's great. And I'm actually super excited to get my huge shark tooth. That's awesome. And then hopefully,

put it in a nice frame. My Denver Nuggets future I put on a while ago wins and I'll be good, you know. All right. That's funny that, like, 650 is a very, specific numbers. Yeah, that's because his account has like 900 followers, so I don't know. You may have gotten. That's great.

But, you know. That's kind of fun, though, to have a tooth from one of our, like, story victims. Yeah, I know. And everyone go to Voodoo Fossils 84 Instagram and just shoot him a follow because he has a lot of teeth and you can buy a tooth and pay for his medical bills at the same time. It kind of gives me anxiety that, like, there's. There's people out there collecting these teeth because it makes me think like, I gotta get my hands on some of these teeth. I know, right?

I got to go collect them. No. And it's. But I want to like find one too. Will anxiety now that like. There's gators out there. That gator's still out there. He wants to go back and like get back to it.

I'm sure that would be scary for him. And he's like worried about other divers in that area because that gator didn't hesitate. It came straight at him. So he's like kind of in his mind that gator just wanted to a. attack him and is going to attack someone else. We did a new story last year of a guy that was diving for shark teeth in Florida and got attacked by a gator. So this isn't even our first shark tooth diver and he got bit on the head and got like some

pretty good staples too. Yeah. But like made it out better than Will. Maybe. I think so. Pretty bad. Yeah. Okay.

I think Will maybe was closer to death. Yeah. The arm thing sounds pretty gnarly though. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So South Carolina has about 100,000 alligators, which are federally protected species

and have strict rules about when they can be removed or killed. I'm sure this one would be allowed to be killed except for it's just, they're not going to be able to figure out which one it is unless they find one with injuries next to one of its size. Yeah. Using a snorkel. George Lucas? I know that guy.

Yep. Not personally. What are you waiting for? George Lucas, director of public information at DNR, said that he never heard of an alligator attacking a diver. Usually an encounter occurs on land. Often, a pet is involved. Even those encounters are rare, he said. But I guess in 2007, a 59-year-old man was snorkeling at Lake Mule Tree when a 550-pound alligator tore his arm from his shoulder.

Ooh, was that man named John Williams? Who's John Williams? It's the composer for Star Wars. It's Darth Mall. No, it wasn't. I honestly mainly just included that. Quote, because I thought it's wild. His name's George Lucas.

It is pretty, yeah. I feel like you got it. People are like, what was your name? George, last name, Lucas. You remember our landlord at Arlington? he told us his name was Mike Smith and he changed it to Keith King. That's right. Because he got like too much mail.

Yeah, I don't believe that. Yeah. Interesting. So I don't know. George Lucas maybe change your name if you're tired of it. Well, do we know if that's how he pronounces it? Maybe it's like Luca. Oh, yeah.

George Luca. I don't know. I would assume it's Lucas. Yeah, sure. All right. Let's move on to some facts. These ones are titled Jeff's three copied and pasted facts. Yeah, from like probably like A to Z animals or something.

This one's pretty good. Okay. It's Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission. All right. I like that. That sounds like a good source. About one third of alligator nests are destroyed by predators, mainly raccoons, or flooding. Really?

Yeah. Raccoons. Yeah, they're getting in there. They're even eating baby alligators. And these days, like Burmese pie. pythons, uh, tagu lizards.

That's more Florida. Yeah, but yeah. But these are from Florida, right? These facts. I guess you're not on. Yeah. Game.

You're right. So I guess these are facts from Florida. But that's fine. Okay. Yeah. The average clutch size of an alligator nest is 38. For nest to survive predators and flooding, an estimated 24 live hatchlings will emerge.

Only 10 alligator hatchlings live to one year. Of these yearlings, eight will become sub-adult and reach four feet in length. The number of sub-adults that reach maturity, six feet in length, is approximately five. So pretty low odds. So about five out of 38. And that's of the nest that survive. Yeah, the one-third.

Yeah. Wow. Man. So low percentage. Hard lines. These estimates are for a growing alligator population. So like this still is like they're growing more than decreasing, right? Yeah.

As population matures and has a higher percentage of large alligators, the survival rate would be expected to be lower, in part due to the high rate of cannibalism. Okay, number two. This is an animal, too, that, like, we almost, we came pretty close to wiping out alligators. Yeah, they almost went extinct, right? Yeah, there's just widespread hunting that was pretty unregulated, and then people, like, hated them, too. And then a lot of protections put in place. And because they breed enough and because they play so many eggs, they do bounce back pretty quick. So I think just in Florida, there's like two or three million alligators.

We'll get to that. Okay. All right. I'll hold off. The most recent evidence indicates that crocodilians, which includes alligators and dinosaurs. The most recent evidence indicates that crocodilians, which in parentheses includes alligators. Right. And dinosaurs.

So I don't know how to say that without being confusing. I'm just going to get rid of that. I don't know how to hear it without it. Let me try it one more time. Let's do it. The most recent evidence indicates that crocodilians and dinosaurs evolved from a common ancestor they existed subsequent to the common ancestor

that they share with other reptiles. So even though alligators are classified as reptiles along with lizard, snakes, and turtles, they're actually more closely related to birds whose direct ancestors were dinosaurs. Interesting. They don't look like birds, Jeff. I sure don't.

How do you explain that? Does a T-Rex look like a bird? Kind of. If you put feathers, you slap some feathers on a T-Rex. You just caught a bug out of the air. That was amazing. It was like Mr. Miyagi with chopsticks. What's the turkey line in Jurassic Park?

I can't think of it all of a sudden. It doesn't look like a turkey. The kid at the beginning? Yeah. Oh, no, he says it looks like. a turkey. He's like, that doesn't look scary. He looks more like a giant turkey. And doesn't at all.

No. Well, no, but he says that they have, he's like saying they may have, you know, more closely to birds and everything. Which is funny because Dr. Grant's like talking to other paleontologists. And they're like, yeah, we know idiot. But then that kid is like, oh, so what? Like a giant turkey. Yeah.

And everyone's like, what the hell is this kid doing here? Yeah. You know. And he goes the shit out of him. Yeah. He kills that kid, I think. if I'm remembering correctly. All right.

So crocodilians have really unique hearts. Do you know that, Wes? I did know that, yeah. While most reptiles have a three-chambered heart, the heart of alligators and all crocodilians have four chambers, a trait shared with mammals and birds. The advantage of a four-chambered heart is that oxygenated blood and deoxygenated blood are separated,

which results in more efficient respiration needed for high metabolism. of endominic animals, warm-blooded animals. Endothermic, right? Endothermic, yeah. And it also, like, helps them be able to stay underwater longer. You know, it's pretty, if I was, if I could choose a four-chamber hard, I would. You're in luck, my dude. Do I have one?

You got one. Oh, sick. I'm pretty sure we do, right? I have no idea. Let's look it up real quick. Let's do a quick search. Yeah. No, I think we do.

How many. chambers does the heart have four all right yes we did it how many chambers does the wutane clan enter all right so 36 um now let's go to a little quiz i got for you guys okay it's not based off things i've said like west normally does i'm just giving you a quiz ready so this one this first question i want you guys to alternate your answer these are these are actually easy bugs to catch you I don't know why they're in you. Daniel son. Where are they coming in from?

True. So the quiz. Alternating answers. Who wants to go first? I'll go first. Okay. What do you mean? Kay.

We both said it. You both did? Yeah, let's do a... Let's smash for it. He's walking around the house. He's spinning a bottle. We got a kiss. Mike's first.

But he owes me a smooch. You think I won't? All right, Mike. So we're going to name the... The 10 states that have alligators. Okay. You go first. Florida.

South Carolina. Georgia. Texas. Louisiana. Mississippi. Bamma. North Carolina. There's an obvious one I feel like we're missing here.

Virginia. Nope. Really? So do you like to steal? Yeah. I'm just trying to think of what we haven't said yet. Ooh, you know, I think Arkansas has them. Very bottom.

Yeah. And then can you get one more? Oklahoma. Wait, did you say that? No. Did we, I don't think we had said it. Shoot, that was... You said North and South Carolina.

I should have left that to West. He stole for me and it was his turn. That's what I would have guessed. It's not really a competition. It's more you guys versus me. Okay. Okay. So we win.

You win. I owe you both. Megalodont tooth. $10 so far. Will the Meg tooth you got. Well, if you get this wrong, I don't. Which state has the most, according to Wikipedia? This seems like a trick.

question i just put my source because i knew you'd be like where's your source yeah louisiana yeah oh i would guess florida so i'm glad i let you out that one florida and louisiana both like the two states that have over a million yeah right for for people out there if you're if you're in louisiana or florida and you're by a body of water you should you should assume there could be an alligator in it. That's what I've heard. Like, anywhere in those two states, you could be an alligator country.

Freaking story I told it in New Orleans. Well, Mike actually told it first, but now it's mine. And then you told it better. Where the hurricane brought them in. Yeah. It's crazy. Okay. This one's a layup. Okay. Actually, the next one's more of a layup.

Which state has alligators and crocodiles? Florida. Yeah. Did you know that, Mike? That's what I would have guessed, but I didn't know that. Okay, the next one, see you later. Alligator. Yeah.

Okay. Sorry, getting easier. I will be honest. Wait, was that the question? Just finished that phrase? Okay. And then the last one here is you both have to get within the range that it gave me for how many teeth do alligators have? I should know.

Like an adult alligator. For the tooth. I don't know. 42. 65. 74 to 80. Oh, wow. Okay.

That's a lot of teeth. I thought it was maybe a little while. You were maybe, you were both pretty close for just one side of the mouth. I was bad. I was closer. Yeah, West did a much better job on that. I really was thinking hard and I was thinking poorly. It's all that happened there.

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Let's do it. So, number one, favorite pop culture, loss of a limb. Okay. I can, I can. Or Mike. You want me? Okay, I'll go.

You did a great. I'm just going to say. I was just worried you. Yeah, go ahead. You did an awesome job of picking categories this week because I have like eight answers for all of them. But I'm going to try to just pick my favorite. That's why I was going to go first is I have a like honorable mention here too,

but then I didn't want to take yours. So I don't know what to do. Well, I think I'm going to go Ash from Evil Dead too. It's a good win. Yeah. He traps his hand. under the bucket. The hand is like trying to attack him.

The farewell to arms book. That's a great joke. But then he straps a chainsaw to his arm and it's the coolest thing. It's the coolest thing that's maybe ever happened in a movie. It's a shotgun in Army of Darkness. Army of Darkness. Yeah. That's a good answer.

So I'm going to go with, I had two as well, so I'll do my runner up after. I don't think you're still in mine. Okay, so I'll do both of mine. Okay. The two that I was trying to pick between the movie saw. Yeah. That's a great one. I think that's a good answer for this one because the guy had to like cut off his own.

They didn't cut off his wrong leg or something? No, it was the right leg. It's that it didn't, it like didn't end up mattering. Yeah. Yeah. Jigsaw is in there with it. Yeah. And he was never getting out.

And then I also picked it, I think it's chapter one, where Pennywise is like on the side of the water and he like waves at the kid with the arm. Oh, yeah. What's his, Pennywise. Well, no, what's the first? little kid's name? The young, Georgie. Because he bites Georgie's arm off too.

He rips Georgie's arm off. But this is, I think, I think this is Mike. I can't remember which kid it is. But I remember he's like in the water getting beat up or something and he looks at the shore and Pennywise is eating someone and he pulls out the arm and waves at him. And it's just kind of a silly trick. Yeah. It's kind of funny for him to do that.

And he smiles. So that's my pick. I got to go with shanks in one piece. It's like one of the biggest parts of the whole show. Chapter 1. And like, One piece has this interesting thing for me where it makes me think I'd be cooler without, like, an arm.

Or like, with like a scar over my eye. Like, I just want to get like. Yeah. Zorro and Shanks both got that going. Yeah. And scar. My runner up was Lieutenant Dan. Okay.

Sure. Because Forrest Gump, I feel like his mental. intelligence is just so hard to pin down. Yeah. Because he's like, Lieutenant Dan, you grew your legs back. Yeah. It's like, no one's that dumb, right? He was.

Yeah. For whatever reason, I always really didn't like Lieutenant Dan. Me neither. But I didn't like that movie. Me neither. In general. I like it. I don't, yeah.

That's fine. I don't like history. All right. Runner-ups, we've all got some. It sounds like, well, Jeff, you did both of myers. We both did some. Okay.

I had Luke and Vader. Yeah. And Star Wars because they kind of go back. What about Anakin? I don't think about Anakin very much. Loss's arm and both legs. And the high ground. I have a better example of that because I also thought of Robo cop.

But he basically just gets his whole body like shot and is just replaced by it. I saw a funny meme about him today actually, whereas like this guy died and they still made him go to work. I mean, that whole movie is just like a complete social commentary on police state and stage capitalism. Yeah, Verhovin. He makes some crazy movies. I love him. I love that guy. He's wild.

He's whiling. Oh, yeah. Showgirls? Yeah. Holy mackerel. Did he do total recall? I'm not sure if that was him. It seems like a movie he would make, though.

All right. Next category. What do we got? This one I gave you, and then I don't, I didn't think of. my own answer I like. Okay. But favorite pop culture rag doll. Coraline.

Oh, I didn't even think of that. Yeah. I don't know if she ever really turns into one. Like a horror. But like the mom is. It's that like, it's a like a studio one. And there's like she goes into the like other world. And in the other world her mom is like a rag doll.

She has like button eyes and stuff. And they're going to turn her into one. So there's a like a 20 strip long run in Calvin and Hobbs. Where Calvin steals Susie's, uh, binky Betsy doll. Is Hobbs just a rag doll? I mean, if you're a heartless bastard. He is, right? I mean, if you've got no imagination.

Well, that's the thing. So Susie in retaliation steals Hobbs and is like a standoff and she ends up returning Hobbs, but also extorts some money out of Calvin. So she wins. Susan wins the exchange. Susie. What did I say? Susan.

Susan, did I? Yeah. That's weird. But yeah, I like that little. That's a great pick. Yeah. Yeah. So your pick is binky patsy.

Hobbs is real to me, Jeff. I agree. Like whenever they showed Hobbs is like a doll, I was like, whoa. No, it's not right. No. I had an image that made me think of this question, but then I couldn't pin down what it was from. Of like a little girl with a rag doll in a monster movie where like the city is being destroyed. But I can't.

A little girl in a rag doll. What? She, like, drops the rag doll on the street or something. Oh, yeah. It's, um, it's, it's, it's Pacific Rim. Yeah, that's it. That's my choice is that. What a movie.

Yeah. I was going to go with like Woody or Chuckie. What's her name in it? It's the girl that, that links with them in the, in the Yeager. It's I, Iko or something. She's the Japanese girl, right? Yeah. Yeah.

She's so pretty. Man. Wes, you got a mind for that. She's in Tokyo Vice, too. I love. her. Favorite scuba experience. Besides the first time I ever went, because that just opened a whole, like, half of a

whole planet to me. Yeah, I was like Aladdin and Jasmine combined. Yeah. That is how I felt. But the first time I went night diving was another kind of just like, whoa, this is, again, completely entirely new because there's new sea life that's out and about. You kind of have to poke your flash. slide around to see really anything once you get deep enough.

And it's just so isolating, but in a comforting way to me. And I just love it. Yeah. Loved it so much. I think the first time I went down there is the first time I saw an octopus. It was just incredible. You love octopus. Love.

Love them. I think my favorite animal I've seen scuba diving is a great hammerhead shark. But my favorite experience might be in Cozumel, like on one of those big open sand beds and just having like three huge, eagle rays come by. And in that like really open sand, it was just so beautiful. Yeah. So I think that might be like that might be it for me.

But I haven't scuba, scuba nearly as much as Mike. So he's master. He is a master diver. Yeah, mine's right by years in Cancun. And the coolest part of it to me was just like, it's like kind of a decent current. So we really didn't work much. But we saw like a lot of cool stuff still. Yeah.

So you're just kind of fly. lying around. Gozumel. So awesome. Yeah. Man. Let's go. We should.

I would have gone if I didn't lose that dang passport. Yeah. And have to change my plans. Plus you're in debt on your shark tooth. Yeah. We should go in South Carolina and each find a shark tooth. Sure. I don't think I want to do any diving in South Carolina after this story.

Yeah? Gators. Yeah, I don't think so. Well, that brings me to what would Wes and Mike do? not dive it sounds like Wes is that what you're saying do you have a straight answer for this or do you want me to do it I actually think first of all Will or William

I don't know what he prefers to go by did like an amazing job I think most people die in this in this story yeah I'm but I was wondering if there was like like I don't know can you have like chain mill on his arm or something like what can he do I'm pushing my reg

into the alligator's mouth and shooting those bubbles in there and maybe it's like blowing it up like a balloon until it pops yeah sure yeah that's an interesting one he did need that oxygen pretty much that's what I was gonna say it didn't do him a lot of good

yeah well it kind of did he stayed alive yeah practically speaking he could have done a little a better job of gauging how much oxygen he had before doing his safety assent blow it up like a balloon and you said it was a pretty

Yeah. Okay, yeah. You can pick apart my idea later if you want, but it's my turn to speak. Sorry. I just want to acknowledge that detail. Yeah, just give yourself a little more time to get up there safely with your oxygen. Of course, you can't know that an alligator is going to come and get you up. But like, in a river that you probably are very aware has many alligators that could pose a danger,

maybe have more forms of deterrent. I don't know what that would look like. Knife or something. Yeah. I guess the screwdriver acted is one, but that's the thing about this animal is like, and this is what we've talked about in our other alligator episodes, is that once one gets you in the water, you're out of good options. It's like a shark in that regard.

Like you have lost all of your real options. Like you're hoping just for luck at that point. So even like him stabbing it with the screwdriver in the eye or the gums or whatever, he had to like rip his arm free to get free of this animal. Like he was trying to rip his arm off. Yeah. So this is an animal where prevention is the thing. Like you be careful not to go in places where you might run into an alligator.

And if you're going to dive in a place where they're around, then you're just taking a risk. Aren't there like some shark divers that have suits that like sharks can't really bite through? Yeah, there's like, for sharks, there's like these steel mesh suits. Could you use that if he's like scared to go back in or something? And they only work for like certain species of shark. And for an alligator, I don't think it would work. They just bite too hard. I think the teeth would go through, and I think their bite is a little bit too big.

I was just looking, I was watching a story of a guy that got attacked by an alligator, and he got bit on both arms. And just the bite broke both of his arms. Like he, yeah, it's not like it turned or anything. Well, this guy's arm broke, too. I think it broke his arm, yeah. Yeah. So they're pretty gnarly. It bit both his arms?

Yeah. How did that happen? It, like, got one, and then somehow it. got the other. It's, I'm going to do the story. Somehow, Palpatine return. Maybe do the jaws move, like, throw your, uh, oxygen tank in the alligator's mouth. Shoot it.

He didn't have a gun. It doesn't sound like, but, no, but his screwdriver. Pop, pop the oxygen tank with your screwdriver. Which is the teeth and have a bite down on it. Yeah. Or a megalodon tooth, too. There you go. No bigger than alligator's teeth.

That's true. Um, all right. Uh, I did the, same one we did last episode but I put a tiny spin on it. What's on your mind? Hot take edition. So I just want it to be like a little bit hotter. A little bit like something.

Sure. Something maybe you shouldn't say. So mine is like I think. Mine's not that incentive. Well, I don't know. I'm not saying like get into like politics or race or something. I am about to critique a lot of people harshly. Okay.

Mine is that I think. graves should just get dug up after a hundred years. Like I've been, I walk around cemetery sometimes. After a hundred years, like, they don't need that spot of land anymore. Dig them up and put someone new in there. Oh, so just recycle them? So what are we doing with the bones? Yeah.

Just cremated them. Okay. Okay. You only get 100 years. That is a hot take. Unless you, like, pay a lot extra or something, and then you can, like, keep your own spot. But it's just like...

How many? There's so many... Cemetery where, like, the people died in, like, the 1860s. That's like, no one goes here anymore. No one cares about this. It's like history. Right. But I get what you're going for.

I get it. It is a hot take, though. I feel like the better option would just be to, like, say, no more burials, period. Let's just cremate everybody. We'd, like, start doubling up. Or just chunking in the ocean. That's what... So, my dad, when my mom died, they planted out.

she's buried extra deep so he can be buried on like the same plot above her on top of her and kind of share that little plot yeah it's kind of nice what is it like is he going to be facing her like i think we don't like he's face down she's face up it'll be a weird open casket showing if that's the case but you know i haven't gotten into that um well and my other thought was just like a lot of those old timers got like a lot of old timers thought you get buried in your treasure you get it in heaven or something. Like there's a lot of treasure. Old times like pharaoh?

This is a treasure thing. There's a lot of treasure down there that like people don't even know about. And we might as well have it. Yeah. That's cool. They're not using it. That's more of my thinking.

I think I want that treasure. You need it now. You're out of money. Like you can look, William can look for his fossils and I'll be looking for my treasures, you know. He's shark-tooth diving your grave dive. Grave in. Grave.

Dagan. Okay. Yeah, that is a hot take. I didn't realize this was supposed to be like a incendiary one. So at first I just said that I don't really like stuff crust pizza. Hot cake. It's not very. That sounds popular.

I just think like there's plenty of cheese on the pizza. I like to enjoy my crust on its own. But I'll do another one. I prefer seeing movies alone. Ooh. Yeah. And it's not, I like going to movies with people. And I think you two are probably the people I like going to movies with the most.

but nothing really hits quite like seeing a movie alone for me. Agreed. And one thing that I... Did you see Monkey Man alone? I did. I fell asleep during the entire thing. I went into a black hole. I went into a black hole.

He said that he saw the movie Monkey Man and... He's pretty sure he even. The next day couldn't remember if he'd seen it. Here's the thing, guys. Twilight Zone. This is the craziest thing that's ever happened to me because I was so sure... It's a memorable movie. I was so sure I hadn't seen it.

And then I watched Spine... part of the trailer and I was like, wait, I've seen this scene. Like, I know this and it's not from the trailer. And so I got on my phone and looked at my like AMC app because I truly couldn't remember and it said like, did you enjoy Monkey Man? Whoa. And I was, I feel like I had like a stroke or something. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. Anyway. Matrix. What I was going to about to say that what I was about to say is that one thing I really hate when you see movies with like a group of people is when you come out of the movie and you have to like mill around and kind of talk about the movie I really dislike that that's my hot take I kind of like that

I would love to just be like that was great and leave you don't want to tell them how you felt nope I don't want to be forced to tell them how I felt okay yeah here's another movie theater take I almost prefer the stadium seating to the luxury thing that's a bad one because I fall asleep Almost every time I sit in those luxury chairs. Yeah. That's a take where, like, my old roommates and me, Wes, and Mike just saw a movie, and they all got luxury seats, and Wes got the auditorium seats. I like them.

And he was like, these are actually better than those. For me, they are. I'm not going to fall asleep. That's why you guys didn't like Godzilla X-Kong as much as you should have. Because I was awake the entire movie? Yeah. Oh, that movie was masterful. Kind of like me at diving.

my unpopular opinion is people suck at setting up their TVs it's a hot take what's on your mind but sure sure you said unpopular oh sure well that's what it is this is a hot take you suck I'm speaking to you listening to me almost certainly you've set up your television wrong yeah if you've mounted it on the wall you did it wrong it's probably too high and it's a crazy thing that I've been noticing more and more that people set up their TVs to be above the

eye line you're looking at like What are you doing? 60 degrees. If my neck is bent back even like a single degree, you've failed. Yeah. And do you want to know why I know this is because the people that mounted my TV, they did it wrong. And I'm kind of stuck with it.

And it's ruining my life. Yeah. I got a big TV and it's mounted like right in front of me on my couch. And Cyrus, our older brother, came over the other day. And he was like, I don't know, man. I think your TV is like too close. And his TV at his house is like up in the corner. It's like a mic.

Michael Scott kind of thing. It's not that bad, but it's like, it's up there. And you have to, like, crick your neck to look at it. I almost kicked him out. Yeah, you should have. I would have supported you. When I first got my TV set up here, Mike was like, that's a good hype for your TV. And, like, I guess I didn't consider that.

But thank you. I agree with you. It drives me crazy when people put them up high. Man, even if it's just a little bit. I have mine kind of high when we live together at Sugar House. You remember that? A little bit. Yeah.

Also, turn smooth motion off. Just do it immediately, please. Immediately. Okay. Stop manufacturing TVs. I'm talking to who. I don't know. Samsung and.

They're making it hard. Mr. Samson. They're like hiding it from us now. And they update the TV. It's crazy. I have to go through like eight different options because they keep updating the TV and putting it in different I'm getting mad, guys.

No one likes it. Um, well, good ones guys. Okay. Let's go to listener questions. I'm angry now. All right. I got some page. question questions. First one is from a friend of mine, David, David, Clark, who I think you guys

kind of have known to, David, David, David. What do you do with your two measly eggs a day? If they were the last two eggs on the planet, how would you prepare them? He says, I'd make the world's last carbunara, one egg for the fresh pasta, and one egg for the sauce. Great answer. First of all, my question, what do I do with my two measly eggs? I have two eggs over medium, sometimes with like some sweet potatoes, sometimes with like some bread. But almost every day I eat two eggs over medium for breakfast. I enjoy cooking them. Our chickens make real orange yolks, rich eggs.

And they're beautiful eggs. Yeah. The best eggs. Thanks. So if I only had two eggs left on the planet, I think I would do them over medium and I would put them in like a nice breakfast sandwich. And I'd have two breakfast sandwiches. All right.

How about you guys? I'm putting them in a ramen. I love a big hard-boiled egg. a bowl of ramen. It's a good answer. I think I'm using it both in one bowl. I can't have enough egg and a ramen bowl. I change. I'm doing a breakfast sandwich in a ramen. It's a good answer. I might just make some cookies. It's not bad either. Oh yeah, because you need, you do need eggs for, yeah, in French toast. Yeah. I should have thought about this maybe some more. All right. Well, we'll think about it more, David. Great questions. This one's from Angela.

Hello, boys. I have a fun question for all three of you. We'll be the judge of that, Angela. what fictional monster What fictional monster would you least like To have come after you? Mine would be Pennywise Second time in this episode That's a good one I'm terrified

My wise like plays with his prey That what she's about Or Angela's about to explain why I'm terrified to clowns He can make you hallucinate He's a shapeshifter And there's no real way to kill him Second you have to talk to this base turtle

According to the book Yeah seriously Don't you have to have like sex with a bunch of people to beat him. Some kids have to have an orgy, according to Stephen King. I'm not going to want to do that. Second pick would be the predator. He can turn invisible and has lasers that'll burn a hole right through you.

True. Thanks for your time. You guys are hilarious and so much fun to listen to. So my fictional monster that I would least want to have to come after me, I've always thought kind of the xenomorph is a bad one because it has acid blood. So it's like one that you got to kill from a distance. And it just, the way it kills people seems. pretty bad.

Stirling, or it's still in, uh, Schwarzenegger kills them with like some sticks. No, that's Predator. That's Predator. I'm talking Xenomorph is alien. You gotta have a flamethrower like Ripley. But it's not nearly as scary as like horror movie villains. Yeah. Like Freddy's a bad one.

I played the game Alien Isolation and that taught me that the xenomorph is going to be the scariest. Really? That game is, oh. I heard that was really scary. Man, I'm not really like very scared by movies or games or anything, but that game really got me. It's very tense.

I'm going to pick Leatherface, though. Okay. Is that? Yeah. He's kind of more of a slasher than like a monster. That's fine. He's kind of turned into a monster. That's true.

Yeah. I just, there's something very, I don't know what the word is, but yeah, yeah, really gross. It's scary. You just called it with Freddy. Freddy's a good one. Like he just can't fall asleep. Can't fall asleep.

But he's also going to. Your friends are always going to in it. He's going to, like, make little jokes and stuff and give you a little opportunities. Yeah. But yeah, when he gets you, it's bad. I feel like when Freddy, like, actually goes for it, it's always, like, pretty bad. Yeah. So he's a bad one.

It's pretty torturous, too, you know? Maybe any of the elder gods, you just go mad even, yeah, conceiving of them. Yeah. You lay eyes on them and your brain just breaks. Yeah. All right. Yeah, a little affetap or whatever. Here's one more from Becca.

One question that I had. If you had to make a Western version of the Chinese zodiac signs, what animals would you have? And which one would you want to identify with your birth year? It's a big question. Like all 12? Yeah, let's just each pick one for your birth year. Okay. I would want shark.

I'd want to be a great white shark. Which one am I in China? Snake? They really open the door by including dragon, because you can just like pick anything now. Yeah. That's true. And it's like wooden dragon and stuff too.

Yeah, I'm an earth dragon. Yeah. Man, that's so cool. That's rad. I'll just go with what we did. Alligator. Give me that alligator. Okay.

Is turtle isn't one, is it? I'd like the turtle's a nice. I feel like no one would be mad to be in the year of the turtle. Okay. All right. That's it for patron questions for this episode. Thanks for the questions. Okay.

Listener questions from Rini Zero Zero. Does Bear Spray work on alligators? Probably not. And you can't really put it underwater. Alligators also, they have a nictitating membrane. Oh, yeah. So it's that like second eyelid that goes over their eye. and I think, yeah, maybe could clear it out that way, I don't know.

So pocket sand wouldn't even work on them. Probably not. Well, I mean, it's in the bottom of the river. It's all that mud. Silt and stuff, yeah. Kegtop 4427, an animal you're completely neutral on. Don't love them, don't hate them. I'll probably go with Canada goose.

That's a good answer. I kind of like them, though. I have a hard, this is a hard question for me. Like, I think I like them, but I also, like, kind of get annoyed by it. I would say just, like, your common black ant. Just neutral? I'm pretty neutral. They're pretty interesting, though.

Yeah. See. What about dung animals? I don't have an answer for this. I, like, like, every animal. Yeah. Or I dislike a couple. Or just your garden variety, like, snake, garter snake.

Oh. I mean, they're cool, but they're, like, there's just a billion of them all over the place. That's a good one. Basically, every other snake is cooler. I'm not neutral on that. get excited every time I see one. Yeah. Well.

Eliana Rapali says, Hi there. I'm listening to your Grizzly Daddy Daughter Day episode. One of our best episodes, in my opinion. Long time ago. That's one of my favorite jokes I've said. Okay. I think it's a great story by West.

Jumping off the cliff was crazy. I've been a guiding Glacier National Park for the past few years, and I've always carried my second bear spray in my backpack near the top in case a bear does maul me it hopefully will implode the spray when it's tromping down on me Wes how effective would you say that is not very effective it's just a little too much after for i mean at least they have two bears that's the that's the was that the question yeah um yeah you're really like hoping that a lot of stuff happens right yeah to happen someone tried to develop a backpack that had like a bear spray area that would like explode if a bear bit into it um yeah um yeah you're

And I don't think it really ever went anywhere. Carrying a second can isn't a bad idea if you work in a place like Glacier and if you're in like really berry parts of the park. But just have one on your hip and one in like a chess holster or something. Or like one on like a backpack pocket that you can get too easily. Having it in your backpack isn't a good idea. I think it's fine if it's the second one. I agree.

You know, put it wherever you want. That's fine. Yeah, but it's probably not going to do anything. Okay. Evan Olson 1-10 Do sharks always have to be swimming Or is that a myth It's a myth

Okay L-G-Lenn-O-1 How many is too many tacos I think it depends how good they are Yeah If they're really, really good You can like Put in enough that you feel sick, I think

Yeah Or if you're allergic to tacos One is too many But I think three is my standard Amount I want Two is usually mine But I'm just a whittle guy.

Oh yeah, one other one I want to do just because I feel kind of anxious and bad about it. Mega Gogo asked, did Jeff get my Christmas card? So I made a dumb move where I just told everyone I'd respond

to their Christmas cards. And then I got a ton of them and I got all the envelopes mixed up and I didn't know how to respond to who and I just never did it. So I'm sorry and I did get it. This is your response right now. Yeah. You can DM me if you want a more personal message on Instagram,

and I'll be happy to oblige. Before we even recorded this episode, we talked about how we're not always the best at, like, when people send us, like, cards and gifts and stuff, it makes us feel so good. It does. And, like, it honestly is so nice.

And I think we're going to set up a PO box that'll make that a little easier for everyone. But we're not always the best at getting back to people. but know that like all of them do make us feel great and we're going to work on that. Yeah. Yeah. If you've sent us something like try it again and then this time we'll say that. Send us something nicer.

All right. That's it for listener questions. My last question for you both is so instead of how much do we like them, how much do you like American alligators compared to other crocodilian? Yeah. When you asked this, it really made me think because I think. I think crocodiles are like cooler. I think they're more dangerous.

They have, they live in a lot of different places. Um, I think their eyes look cooler and they like look scarier with their teeth pointing both ways and stuff. Yeah. But I have a soft spot for alligators. I think of all the crocodilians,

alligators are my favorites. Really? Yeah. And then I would actually say probably Yacchere Cayman afterward. That's the one in the Pontanol. Yeah. that I've seen just like thousands of them. Do they kind of have like a skinny snout a little bit?

Yeah, they look a little bit more like a crocodile than an alligator. I think those ones are cool. But then, yeah, but alligators, I think are number one. Me too. We knew that about you. I met as many. Yeah, you know what I'd get up for. Yeah.

I'd probably say a saltwater crocodile for me. Okay. Just because I think they're just so impressive and huge. Crazy dangerous. I also like like the Asian crocodiles or like the Gulean, or what it? Garail. The ones with like the super skinny snouts.

I might be saying it wrong, but it's guy rail. I read it and couldn't say. They're so cool. Yeah. But yeah, like, I don't know, they just got to be, I feel like they got to be like so precise with their mouth. But then it's like super long, too. It's really strange. They're fish eaters.

Yeah. They're still like. They're pretty much only fish. Yeah. They're cool. I'd rather have like a wide range than a skinny range. I think if I'm trying to. It just seems fragile too.

It seems like if you grabbed one of those things and just tried to break that thing off, it would break off. Maybe. But it wouldn't. But they are critically endangered. They're endangered. Yeah. Well, shoot.

Alligators aren't though? Alligators are doing great and they weren't for a while. So maybe that'll happen with these guys too. Yeah. But yeah, I like most crocodilian and alligators. They'd probably drank like fourth if I really burrowed into it. Yeah, there's only two species of alligator. There's the American alligator and the Chinese alligator.

Chinese alligator are also like really endangered, critically, critically endangered. Yeah. And from hunting? I'm not, I'm not totally sure. Probably habitat loss, hunting a lot of different things. But so yeah, it's kind of, to me it's really cool that we have like this is a relic. This is an animal that there used to be a lot more of them. And now like we have the one species that's like really doing well.

And yeah, I just think they're cool. They're like a pretty uniquely American animal. If you're listening and you live in one of those 10 states, go take a picture of an alligator and send it to Tooth and Cloud Instagram. Do it safely, but yeah, do it. Yeah. Yeah. No, not like a selfie with it.

Yeah. Well, maybe. No. West did a whole episode as to why you shouldn't do that. All right. That's all I got. You guys got any questions or anything? No, sir.

No, ma'am. Well, I do. and it's about how much your tooth costs, but I'm going to ask you after we're done. Okay. All right. Thanks, Jeff. That was fun.

You're welcome. Everyone, if you enjoyed this episode, Jeff does a lot of Patreon episodes, too. So hop on there. You're going to hear more of this. Oh, Jeff. Also, like and review us. Yep.

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