Tooth & Claw: True Stories of Animal Attacks - Amazing Mothers of the Animal Kingdom - Mother's Day Special 2025

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

T&C is joined by Cindy, the Larson family matriarch, to once again impart all of the wisdom the guys would allow her to as Wes covers some of the more dedicated animal moms out there in the wild. Thanks for listening, especially all you moms! Thanks for all that you have done, are doing, and will continue to do for us all. ~~ To advertise on the show, contact us! ~~ Tooth & Claw is brought to you by QCODE. Support the show and get access to an extensive library of exclusive episodes like this by supporting the show on Patreon or joining the Grizzly Club on Apple Podcasts. For the latest updates on the show and all things wildlife, follow us at toothandclawpod.com and social:  Instagram: @ToothandClawPodcast Twitter: @ToothandClawPod Wes: @GrizKid Jeff: @jefe_larson Mike: @mikey3ds Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And this is the Mother's Day episode. Yahoo. Everyone looks forward to all year round. One person in particular. One person. Me. Yeah. But we have our beloved mother, Cindy Larson, here with us.

And Cindy, who are we? We're tooth and claw. And who are we? Who's on tooth and claw? Oh, okay. Introduce. Introduce. Okay.

Okay. So we've got Jeff Larson. He gets to go first this time. Thank you. And he's the youngest Larson boy and lots of talents, too many to name. Yep. Can't even name one. Yeah.

So many talents. We've got. She's spilling out. You didn't go over this. Who's next? What does the best do? We got Michael Smith. My probably,

I don't know, Wes's friends listen to this. One of my favorite friends of Wes and Jeff. I saw that wink. Probably their best friend. Yeah, I would say so. Actually, one of our best people to be at the house because we don't even notice that we have anyone that's not a Larson. Yeah.

All right. Oh, and he's very good at tech, and he has a very good vocabulary for the person. podcast. Uh-oh. Pressure's on. Now I got to start using it. Yes, it is.

And then we have Wesley Larson, and he is a wildlife. Wildlife biologist, got a masters. I've seen it. She has seen it. She had it for a long time. You know he didn't make it, though. He's loved animals all his life, and so we're going to listen to him. Okay.

Okay. All right. Thanks, Mom. Yeah. Yeah. We're really excited to have you on. Mom, Cindy Larson. Thanks for joining us again.

We really appreciate you giving us your time and being on our podcast. So thank you for that. Thanks for calling me Wesley. You're the only one that gets to do that. But thanks for doing it. Last year when you came on, the listeners won't know this. We had to cut out a lot of what you said because you were swearing so much. Yeah, right.

Square word. Stop swear. Do you know what? When people write in and I'm the one to answer. answering and they've written a swear word a lot of, and they don't know I'm the one answering. Yeah. Then I tell them I'm answering and I answer it. And then they write back and they say, oh, I'm so sorry that I swore.

It's very nice. Very nice. Well, we're going to put in a really long beep right in there to make this sound. You better not. You just want listeners. I'm going to challenge our listeners to see who can swear the most in a message to my mouth. Better not. Jeff, I want to talk about something.

Yeah. So we're all in Missoula together. It's really fun. Jeff came here straight from San Diego. I did. You were hanging out with Danielle from National Park Up to Dark. I was, yeah. And you just like pretty much forgot everything in San Diego, right?

I forgot the most important things. What did you forget? I forgot all of my credit cards and debit cards, my driver's license, my global entry, and my car keys, and myself. sunglasses. Just left him there. It's her responsibility to get them back to me. Wasn't she like, how did you get home?

Yeah, Daniel was like, how did you even get home? I did have my passport in my backpack. So that's nice. Yeah, I was still able to get home. And you know what? That's kind of what a day in my life's like. You just got to figure things out on the fly. I love that we're up in the ante on stuff you're leaving behind on trips.

And then Wes also, Jeff gave me some of those gooder sunglasses. Yeah. And he took him back. Oh, yeah. They look great on him. Yeah. There's a free shout out for good. I was like, hey, mom, can I use those sunglasses I gave you that you haven't opened out of the box for the next like three days?

They look good on you. I think you should take them back officially. You know, if mom wants to give them to me, that's her decision. Yeah. I'm not going to ask. All right. They're sunglasses for her son. True.

That's funny. Hey, now that's funny. Good ad chat. Every year, a lot of thought goes into this episode particularly because we want to make sure it's a really fun one. And our first couple Mother's Day episodes were about attacks, where mothers saved their kids from attacks. So we've done at least two of those. We did a mountain lion one. We did a yellow jacket one.

And then we did another one that was all about animals saving people because you wanted a more feel-good episode that year. And this year was another year where you wanted a more feel-good episode. Do you remember that? Yeah, there's been a lot of hard episodes lately. They're half. We've done some pretty intense ones. Yeah. So we're going to do one that doesn't even involve any attacks.

It's going to be a feel-good episode, but it's going to be really fun. And I think what we're going to do is talk about some of the best mothers in the animal kingdom. Mm-hmm. All right. Do you remember that mountain line that ate that mom? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Her name was Cindy. Yeah, Cindy Parallin. Yeah. So go back to our first Mother's Day episode if you don't want to feel a good one. Jeff's trying its best to bring the move down. I actually sent the link to some of my friends. And the other day, one of my friends said, I can't believe you to send me that link. That was the worst story.

And I was like, oops. I just like stories like that. Yeah. She fought it off for like an hour, which was crazy. But we're going to talk about the best mothers in the animal kingdom. I'm going to go over six of them. Then we're going to do a little vote. We're going to tell our top three.

And then we're going to let the listeners decide which they think is the number one best animal mother of the three that we pick as our top three. All right? It's going to be a little complicated. Yeah, no, I don't get it. I'm sleepy. We should have done this yesterday.

Yeah. You should have taken a nap. I did. That's why I'm so sleepy. Okay. So we're going to vote on animal moms. We'll also talk about our mom. So mine and Jeff's mom.

and Mike's mom, and we'll vote which of them was better, too. But you've got a bit of a video, mom, because his, you're still alive, so you've got to lead there. The people haven't heard much really at all from my Mike's mom. In fact, they have not heard a single word from her. Yeah. A little unfair, but I'll see what I can do. We're not going to do that, actually. All right, are we ready then?

Should we get into it? Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, our first one is one that you guys are, for sure, you've heard of this animal before.

you're very aware of it. Granulidoni Boripasica. You guys know that one, right? I haven't heard of that. That's a top five animal for me. It's a type of octopus. I've heard of that. It might actually kind of be a top five animal for me.

Yeah, that's true. Mike loves octopuses. It's a deep sea octopus that's found in both the Pacific and the Atlantic oceans. We actually don't know a lot about this octopus because they do live in such deep water. But we do know that it's a great mom. The Monterey Bay Aquarium has a really good region. research team and for the past 25 years every few months, they do deep sea submersible dives to survey and document the deep sea life in nearby Monterey Canyon. In May 2007,

they noticed a female octopus clinging to a ledge just below the floor of the canyon about 1,400 meters or 4,600 feet deep. So pretty deep. How tall is that Kuala Lumpur Tower? I don't know. How many buses would that be? Yeah, 4,600 feet. feet, that would be like 100 buses, 46, I don't, are they 46 feet? I don't. That probably sounds about right, actually. Yeah, I think it would be about that. Yeah, we're not going to fact check you at all.

Anyway, this research team had never seen an octopus that deep before, so they made a note of her. Well, they would continue to see this exact same octopus in the exact same spot for 18 dives over the next four years. So during this four years, she never moved. Wow. She didn't hunt any of the crabs that were around her. They noticed her getting thinner and thinner and paler and paler. Her skin was getting looser. And they also saw a clutch of octopus eggs that she was on getting bigger and bigger.

And toward the end, they could even see little octopus pusses through these translucent eggs. Yeah, cool. So in October 2001, the octopus was finally gone. And in a normal spot, the researchers found there remains roughly 160 egg capsules. She had spent four years in one place, not eating, not really moving, just providing constant cover and protection for her brood while they slowly grew inside of these eggs. Jeff, you... She's just sitting there brooding. Just brooding her brood.

I know. You were a little hangary yesterday. Yeah. Can you imagine four years? I made mom upset. You made mom cry. You were so angry. I'm sorry.

I just needed food. Yeah. Can you imagine going four years? without eating? How long did Jesus go? Like 40 days, right? 40 days? Mom, you know this one.

He did like the most right? There's our Bible reference. He has the Guinness Book of World Record. Probably. We need to come up with a little sound clip of like, oh. Every time we can't reference the Bible. No, I can't imagine that.

Yeah, it's a long time. Mom, do you imagine that? You're always eating little mince and stuff all the time. Well, okay. Would that the octopus is going? That she never ate. She must have eaten. She would have died.

She would have died. This actually sounds like a bad mom to me. A lot of these photos of her that they took on these expeditions, there was crabs right next to her. And these are crab eating animals? So are you saying octopause? Take four years to have young. So we're going to get into that. But an interesting documentary out there, which has kind of shaky science in it.

But my octopus teacher. Yeah, I like that. This guy falls in love with this octopus that he's in the water with a lot. You know, and he falls. He falls in love in like, yeah. I think I've seen some Japanese cartoons where they fall in the octopus. The boys. Yeah.

But then when his octopus finally gives birth, it stops eating and it dies after it gives birth. And that's because they really, we'll get into it. But she had spent four years in one place giving constant protection to her eggs. And while other octopuses do the same strategy, this where they don't eat and they just sit on their eggs, they don't spend nearly as long, and the young are typically not hatched in a fully developed state. But she spent so long on her eggs that it gave her young a really big head start. And when they emerge, they're essentially small adults.

They're really, like, prepared for the world because she gave them so much. I disagree. It's the longest. I agree. Yeah, you're the only one that agrees with me on this. It's the longest brooding time of any animal in the entire animal kingdom. Wow. And because of this long brooding time, this species of octopus is thought to be the longest-lived cephalopod.

So when we're talking about cephalopods, we're talking about octopus, squid, those animals. Right after her young are born, the mother dies. The longest live, what does that mean? Longest, like, that's, their lifespan is like the longest. So they always die after they give birth? Yeah. Sounds like bad parenting to me. Because she literally puts all of her energy and everything into giving birth.

Runaway mom. So it's very. likely that this species of octopus pretty much spends all of her adult life ensuring that her young have clean oxygenated seawater and protection from predators. So it's kind of the ultimate sacrifice for her babies. Yeah, that is really cool. Yeah, it's a good mom. All jokes aside.

All jokes aside, great mom. It is a little bit like a helicopter parent. Yeah. It's like having a child and letting him live in your basement until he's 40 and being like, you're ready. Yeah, and then just dying. And then dying. That's what your mom did. That's exactly what I mean.

And look how I turned out. Kids don't grow up to be like me. All right. So that's our first mom. How deep was it? This octopus. 4,600 feet. So 4,600.

Oh, yeah. About 46 buses. That building was 2,700 feet. So it's like pretty much two of them. Two Kuala Lumpur buildings. Yeah. The Burj Khalifa. Very deep.

Oh. And because of that, we don't know much about, no, the Burj Khalifa is in Dubai. Dubai. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The Patronus Towers is the line. It's 2,200 feet.

Okay. Not bad. Because it's so deep, we really don't know much about this octopus. So this was the first time they learned about. This is like a sample size of one, essentially, is what I'm saying. So hopefully we learn more about it because I think it's really interesting. Yeah. All right.

That's like 10 Kuala Lumpur towers, because I don't count the antenna. It's so fake. They need it for lightning. Mom, when you think about good wildlife moms, what animals does your meat? your mind immediately go to. I'm not sure why, but I think of elephants. Okay. We're not going to talk about elephants.

Elephants is a pretty good choice. It is. So a lot of like the things I read about good wildlife moms had elephants. But a big part of it is because in their societies, multiple mothers will raise one baby. It's kind of like a shared thing. Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. Which is really cool. But they're going to be an honorable mention.

I kind of believe in that where people help each other. with the kids. Yeah. So then the kids have other people in their lives. I was like elephant moms let elephant babies kind of get in some trouble. Yeah, they let them kind of. Like you can get stuck in a mud pit and I'll pull you up. I'm going to make you try for a while.

Yeah, you got to learn your lesson first. Yeah. It's like how I had to do little. You know. I was going to sit there and look at bugs. But mom was going to make me little bit. She'll let you quit, but not right away. Not right away.

After I got Bean twice, they let me quit. Good eye. The two that I always think of are bears and cats. I think people generally associate them with being really good moms. Mama bear is like a common phrase. But big cats too. I think all the big cats that we've seen together, they tend to be really close to their cubs.

They're good moms. So our next animal is a cat. And you two are going to be real happy about the cat that I picked. A cheetah? A cheetah. Yes. Yes. Cheetah.

Why are you happy? Because they love cheetahs. Freaking love Cheetah's mom. Your big cat was Tiger. I can have more than one big cat that I like. No, no, no. We saw Cheetah last year. These two simply will not stop talking.

Cheetah or Tiger, Mike? Tiger. Okay. Cheetah's second place. I spoke from Mike. You spoke out of turn. That's all right. You said this place was steps from the water.

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No. They have to be worried about lions, hyenas, wild dogs, leopards, even rock pythons. They can't even outrun everything. No. Because they get tired fast. They get tired real quick. Yeah. So they have a lot of potential threats, and that means that mother cheetahs have to constantly be on their guard.

Mom, do you know what they call baby cheetahs? I don't. Cheetos. Is that true? Yeah. I've never heard that before. Is this the truth and flaw? I don't know if like many

chief biologists call them that, but maybe. They could mean a bunch of different people. That's true. Yeah. The voice is in Jeff's head. A little monkey playing the symbol in there. Cheetos is a good name for baby cheetahs. It's great.

I like it. I like it. I like it a lot. They're able to breed throughout the year and females start becoming reproductably viable at about two and a half years of age. Females that start breeding earlier in life generally die quicker, so the best cheetah moms literally give up a good portion of their life in order to be moms sooner.

Wow. She'll have anywhere from one to eight cubs, three to four is typical. And when those cubs are born, they can't really even walk for a couple weeks. So they don't, like, cheetahs don't really climb. They don't really, like, get out of the way of danger. So she really just has to find a really safe bush to lay in for two weeks with those cubs and defend them as much as she can when they're completely immobile, which in Africa is no easy task.

Yeah. There's predators everywhere. Wait, so three to eight each batch? Yeah, one to eight, three to four is typical. Okay. Yeah. But if you look online, you'll see pictures of cheetah moms with like seven or eight cubs. Too much.

Yeah. Once they're up and walking, she knows the importance of not staying in one place too long. Because the longer they stay in one place, the more their scent gets all over that area. And the more it's going to be broadcast to local predators. So she'll move the cubs around about every four days doing her best. to pick safe locations for them. During those first two months, she's only going to be nursing the cubs, and she'll hardly eat anything herself.

She just focuses on being hidden and quiet. Two weeks? Two months. Oh, I couldn't do that. Yeah. Do you think there's a connection between, because they seem to always be grooming, licking their young? Is that partly to get rid of their scent maybe?

It could be. Yeah, I don't know. But it's likely. Do you ever lick your cubs, Cindy? No. I kiss them. It's kind of a similar. Yeah.

After like one month of not eating, maybe it just tastes good to be linking something. And she's, during those two months, it's not that she's not eating, but she's not like going out and actively hunting nearly as much as she typically would. So she's pretty hungry. And in places like the Serengeti where there's lots of natural predators, only about 17% of cheetah cubs survived to adulthood. We got to boosts those numbers. Yeah.

You know, they're trying to do that in the Maasai Mar. I remember how they gave them their own escorts. Yeah. Once the cubs are fully weaned at about three to four months, it's her responsibility to find food for them. And for about 16 months, she'll need to hunt and kill prey for herself and her cubs, all while still protecting them for predators.

She also has to teach them how to hunt and will sometimes even release live prey in front of them to help them learn hunting techniques. Oh, cool. And sometimes those animals get away. What? Which is hard, you know? So while a solo cheetah only needs to make a kill every few days,

a female with cubs needs to try and make a kill every single day. Her cubs won't be hunting on their own until around 15 months. They stay with her for a total of about 18 to 20 months. And I think of all the big cats, cheetah moms have to work the hardest. Great moms. Yeah, interesting. Makes me like them even more. All right.

You love a good mom. Yeah. Not as much as Mike. Oh. You know, I'm all about those moms. Yeah. All right, so we mentioned bears. Milfs, if you will.

Bears are also famous for being good moms. I think one of the reasons they're so famous is because female bears, why don't you guys tell me, actually, why do you think bears are often seen as like being really good moms? I think it's one of the best. I think it sounds the best if you put Mama in front of it. Mama bear. Yeah.

Good branding. Mama Chinda doesn't have a good branding. Yeah, they sure do. A lot of attacks are caused by people or other. animals getting in between them and they're young? Yeah. Not just a lot. 47% of worldwide brown bear attacks are started because someone surprises a female with

Cubs. That sounds like a lot. Yeah, I said not just a lot. It's 47%. It's a ton. And tell me again. Yeah. Tell me again the distinction between the black and the grizzly.

What? Did you say black bears aren't as concerned about their young? Black bears don't really cub defend the same way that grizzly bears do because they let their cubs run up a tree and they just trust them to do that and they almost always do. Okay. But where grizzly bears, they can climb as cubs, but they're not nearly as good

at it. They're much more defensive. Are we focusing on grizzly bears for this? We are not. Oh, wow. But we hit on what I was trying to get at, which I think one of the reasons they are so well known for being bear, like for being good moms, is because

they're so defensive. But we're actually going to pick a polar bear for our bear mom. That was my third guess. Okay. I almost did sloth bears. Because they have that cute little patch on their back to their cubs. But we're going to do a sloth bear episode soon, so I didn't really want to spoil any of that information. But I just did. Polar bears, though, is like there were cubs already.

It's kind of nothing's going to kill their cubs besides a human. Oh, you're wrong. You're wrong. Oh, really? Mom, what's your favorite bear? Lightning. Grizzly bear. Grizzly bear? Mm-hmm. Off it has the tower.

That's true. So don't polar bears just move to coal in poor? We'll answer this right now. That's my question. They, polar bears, mother polar bears, constantly have to be on the lookout for other polar bears. Male polar bears kill a lot of cubs. That's messed up.

The thought there is to put the mom back in estrus, to eliminate future competition and also just to get a meal. They just want to be dads to all the bears. Yeah. No one really knows exactly why they do it. they could just be hungry, but they do kill a lot of cubs. But they don't really eat them a lot of the time, right? They do, yeah.

All right. So like a lot of a bear's polar bear moms have delayed implantation. Their cubs are born in dens during the winter. However, in polar bears, those dens are very different in that they absolutely cannot leave the den until their cubs are fully ready to leave the den. So they dig a den in a snow drift, and then the blowing and falling snow covers the entrance to the den. and the mom is essentially locked inside a closed den of snow and ice.

So it helps keep the den warmer and more secure. It's harder to find for other predators. But a lot of other bears have the ability to leave their den if they wanted. Like say a bear picks a bad location for a den, there's a lot of noise or there's another bear nearby. They can leave and go find a secondary den. Polar bears can't do that. If she dug her den and she's having her, you know, she's in there and something happens,

she's not going to be able to dig another den in time. So they really have to commit to the den they dig. She'll get birth to her cubs in January. She'll nurse them in the den with milk that's about 32% fat. The cubs will get larger in the den, but they're not allowed to leave until late March or April, which can be a little annoying for her to be stuck in the den with these cubs. When they do leave, it's still very cold in the Arctic.

I worked on polar bear dens. I was up there this time of year. It's very cold. She has to keep them warm, continue feeding them, protect them from male bears until they get strong enough to go out on the ice. That's crazy. Mom. So, yeah.

Wes, like, won't even drink 2% milk. I know. So how much percent did you nurse him with? I can't remember what human milk is. You know, I don't. Wes was the one that always spit up the very most. He didn't like him. He hated it.

Yeah, so I actually put him on a real weak milk mixture as soon as I stopped there. Wow. Interesting. This is some West lore. Human. Human milk is about three to five percent fat. And you didn't like that even as a baby. So a question for you, Wes?

Yeah. So do the males try to find the dens? Yeah. They do. So sometimes they go in and kill the cubs in the den. Yeah, like our project, there was a den where they found just remains of the female and the cubs. Yeah. One of my favorite pictures that you ever took was the polar bear den because I never pictured it.

But it was like a big ice room. Like it was just blue and it was like this room below the snow where no one would even know it was there. It would just look like a snowdrift to anyone. Yeah. It's pretty neat. That's cool. Yeah. So after a few weeks when they're large enough to travel, she heads out under the sea ice.

It's where she teaches them how to swim, how to hunt, how to fend for themselves in one of the hardest environments on Earth. And climate change has led to much longer swims for adult females and more and more cubs are being lost is there's forced to. to do these longer and longer swims. She nurses the cubs for about 20 months, which is pretty long for a bear species, while she's also teaching them to hunt seals and avoid males. And it's just a lot.

Polar bears are doing a lot to keep their cubs alive. Less than half of polar bear cubs are thought to make it through to adulthood because of male bears and these drowning from swimming. So my personal feeling, I wanna talk about this one a little bit, I did seven years on a study where we were working with denning female polar bears, and I really really good.

grew to love them. When I do this bear presentation that you guys have seen a number of times, I show these videos that we took of a female polar bear coming out of the den for the first time with a brand new cub. It always makes me emotional every single time because it's just thinking about what she has to go through just to bring that one or two cubs to adulthood is just, it's a huge sacrifice. I think they're amazing moms. So I have a question too. Yeah. So when we're looking at a grisly mom in Yellowstone. You told me that she wasn't the greatest mom. Yeah.

And her cubs had both died. But is that the same as polar bears? Are there some better moms than others? There are. Yeah. It's not. So the thing in Yellowstone, people have gotten so, there are people watching the bears every single day.

And they know them. They get to know their life histories really, really well. And so that's, I knew that bear. I didn't watch every day. but I knew people that did. And she often lost her cubs in the river and stuff when they were crossed. She just wasn't good at keeping her cubs alive. I don't know if people know polar bears that well.

Okay. To where they like just see them on a daily basis. That makes sense. Yeah. Do polar bears, and maybe bears in general, you can answer this. And it might be a little bit in danger of anthropomorphizing them. But are they affectionate mothers? Is there like a lot of physical contact?

It seems like it. Yeah. Yeah. They really, they do seem pretty affectionate. That's nice. Cute. Yeah, it is very cute. All right, we're going to go back to the ocean for our next mom.

Oh, wait. I'm going to ask a listener question because you said I couldn't have, we didn't have time for this, but it's a bear. Sure. This is from Hana. Turns out we did have time for it. Do baby bears have bad breath like adult bears? No. All right.

We're going to go back to the ocean for our next animal. Okay. Mom. Yeah. I got a question for you now. Okay. Did you ever have to take a long road trip with any of us right after we were born? We'll say like within six months of us being born.

Definitely. Was that easy? No. It's pretty hard. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's hard to keep you in the car seat.

Yeah. Well, gray whales have to do one of the largest migrations on earth with their babies not long after they're born. In fact, one of the only reasons for this migration is for them to be able to give birth to their cabs in a warm and relatively safe place. You think the other whales get annoyed with gray whales then? Traveling with their babies everywhere. Shut that baby people. Sitting by them in the plane. A baby whale cry is probably so much more annoying than a human too.

It just takes like 10 minutes. to cry once. So some of the best feeding grounds for gray whales are in the ultra-rich and productive waters around Alaska in the Pacific Northwest. However, those waters are cold and home to the number one predator of gray whales.

Hammerheads. Not hammerheads. Oil slicks. Not oil slicks. Mom, what kills gray whales? You know this. I do know this. Number one predator on earth. Orcas. Exactly. Oh, I did know that. mom. So in order to give birth to calves that don't have the blubber to keep them warm in really cold water and to be able to do in a safe place free from orcas, gray whales migrate thousands of

miles to Baja California to both breed and give birth to their young. The shallow lagoon's Pacific Baja give them relative protection from predatory orcas that prefer to cruise deeper coastal waters. So females gestate for 11 to 13 months longer than humans and they give birth in January or February in these lagoons, which, Jeff, we visited these places before. Yeah. You want to talk about them really quick? They're pretty cool.

I like them. You go out in a little boat and you just see whales spouting everywhere, which is really cool, just like you hear it, you're around it, and they're just everywhere in these little bays. And then gray whales are especially fun to whale watch because like the babies and the moms will get really friendly with boats. They like boats. Just in these lagoons.

So they'll come up to boats for whatever reason and they like want you to like pet them and just give them a little hey there, good luck on your journey. Sorry about Orcas. Yeah, it's kind of weird that it's like almost a cultural thing for those gray whales that in these lagoons they've learned to like get scratches on boats and stuff. It's pretty neat. It's one of the only places in the world where you're allowed to interact with whales that way. You know the movie of Bugs Life?

Yeah, love that movie. Where all the ants are like, if we team up, we can beat these grasshoppers. Yeah. I think gray whales could have that. With what? Orcas. Probably not. I think there's probably more orcas.

I think the whole thing with the ants was there's a lot more of them than the grasshoppers. Yeah. So it's kind of like a class consciousness kind of message. An uprising. Yeah. Okay. But I don't think that's the case with these two animals. All right, shoot.

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that's awesome where's the husband and all that he's off just trying to bang a new whale jap you know typical yeah yeah actually baby humans that's what baby humans that's the first thing they have to do is breathe is like big stardom breathing yeah breathing is pretty important for all babies Especially those live births or whatever they're called. Where they do it in a bathtub? You got to make sure to get them out of water once they come out. Do you think, Jeff, if you're giving birth, would you think it's the right strategy to go tail first,

or would you want to go head first? I think there's upsides to both. I think with a tail you can kind of grab the tail pulled out a little. That's a good point. For a whale or baby. Because I always want the head to come out first, right? Yeah. I'm just asking the questions.

One leg can get stuck in the other leg. The legs don't. Yeah, but if you had tails. You had a tail, it might work. Yeah. The nice thing about the head, too, is once the heads through, then, like, the rest of the baby just squirts out. Yeah. And they can breathe if they need to.

You guys seen the pit, the show The Pit? Yeah. No. There's a burst scene in a hour. Yeah, real birth scene. It's pretty gnarly. Showed everything. Yeah.

I'm glad you watched that, Mom. That was a good show. All right. The mother will nurse for the first six months. Her milk is about 53% fat. What? Which is really... It's not of milk anymore.

It's like butter, I know. Which is really energetically taxing for her. The babies also don't suck, so the mother needs to actually pump the milk into their mouths. Oh, wow. Yeah. Which uses even more energy, and she'll lose about a third of her body weight while she's nursing. Meanwhile, the calf puts on about... That would be nice.

Yeah. The calf puts on about 60 to 70 pounds a day as it takes up to 50 gallons of milk. each day. So pretty crazy. That's it. It needs to put on a lot of blubber during those first couple months to be able to survive in those cold waters near Alaska. That's got to be a world record. It probably is. Well,

I bet blue whales do even more. Blue whales just set all sorts of records because they're the biggest animals. That kind of sucks. Once the calf is big enough and strong enough to travel, the mother will swim next to the calf for the 5,000 mile journey north, still nursing the baby the entire journey. If

orcas are around, the mother will sometimes put the calf on her back and push it to the surface, protecting it with her own body, and sometimes even sacrificing herself in order to protect the calf. Sometimes they even roll over on their backs, put their calf on their stomach, and cover it with their flippers on the surface. What's your source? The internet. So just so you know, when I looked that up, there was a bunch of articles saying that was like their tactic. And I was like, I don't believe that. Their tactic is to protect them with their body, but it's been documented like one or two whales doing that.

Okay. Yeah. So that's not like, that's why I said sometimes. Yeah. I was careful with that one. That's what you were. If the mother dies, just a baby die? Not necessarily.

They're with a group. It's likely, though. But usually orcas don't attack, won't attack a full-grown great whale. Okay. They do sometimes, though. Yeah. Orcas are, they're pretty naughty. Yeah.

Yeah, but not to humans. It's so nice. Yeah. They're great animals. They're top animal. All right. The journey is long and difficult, but completely necessary for the survival. The calf will spend about a year total with their mom, but some calves spend up to three years with their mom.

Pretty crazy. Wow. All right. Our next mom is one I didn't really know was such a great mom until last year when we went to Borneo. And it's also... Tans? What? Tans.

Tans? Raringa Tans. Yeah. It's the one on this list that we're... the most closely related to the orangutan. Or mom, you'd probably say a ring of tang, right? Why?

Why did they change it? It wasn't changed. That's just the American pronunciation of orangutan. Wow. You're probably the most closely related to them of anyone. What's that? Why would you say that? Because we're a generation removed from you.

We're slightly different, more different than you are from orangutansans. That's how evolution works. You just got a, I don't really. I make tendencies, I think. It's because she's a good mom and they're good moms. Arangetans nurse me.

It's because she nursed you until she was eight. Let's just put a pin in the... All right. When you were a kid, you always climbed trees. I wasn't, yeah. You were a little tree climber. I was, yeah. Okay.

See? I love trees. So... All right, so where am I wrong? We're getting there. Did you build nests every night? Did you nurse one of your kids in? they were eight?

No. Okay. No. Well, orangutans nurse for a longer period than any other mammal, sometimes up to eight years. That's like the top, but like five or six years is more typical, which requires the mom to provide a pretty remarkable level of care for her baby, and she spends a lot of time directly caring for it.

It also means that orangutans don't have many offspring in their lifetimes because they usually go about nine years in between giving birth, which is a really long stretch for any mammal or really any animal. It's pretty crazy. The first four months of a baby orangutan's life, it pretty much lives on its mother. They have nearly consistent physical touch. It's really only after it's one and a half that the baby starts climbing more on its own,

leaves its mom for short periods of time. Even after they are separated, once the baby's fully weaned and off on its own, orangutan sometimes make contact with their mothers into their teenage years, especially female orangutans with their mothers, which is kind of midlife for orangutan, If you're like a teenager, you're pretty much halfway through your life.

The girls always go home. Not quite halfway, but yeah. Yeah. They live to be about 40 in the wild. So it means that orangutan spend about a fifth of their lives with their moms, which is quite a bit. Another pretty crazy thing about them. And we did talk about a lot of this in Jeff's subscriber orangutan episode about a year ago. Check that out.

But each night, every orangutan makes a new nest to sleep in. And babies will learn that skill from their mothers. So not only is she raising her baby by herself for eight to ten years, she also makes them a new house every single night to sleep in, which is really cool. So does that mean they don't have any other offspring that eight years? No. So they only have a baby like every nine to ten years.

Wow. Yeah. So an orangutan mother will probably only have two or three kids her whole life. Which is a big reason why they're not. There's not a lot of them. Do they ever have twins? Very, very, very rarely. Okay.

Yeah. Do they have any natural predators? They do. They do. But nothing that's like, clouded leopards are probably their big one. True. Clouded leopards, saltwater crocodiles, if one were to like fall into the water. Sure.

But really, I mean, their biggest threat by far is humans. Deforestation. Yeah. I think we ought to start an adult initiative for climbing trees again. I think there's something still in us that still wants to be up in trees sometimes. There's professional tree climbers. Yeah. And it's like a thing, like rock climbing.

I'm thinking more of like an amateur circuit. I don't want to have to train and be really good at it. I think there is some out there. Okay. I'll go try it after we're done recording and I'll report. Okay. We got one more animal mom to talk about. And I'm excited about this one.

I really liked learning about this one. Oh, I have one too. What? I have one too. Okay, great. I got two more to talk about. Does anyone want to guess? what type of animal is this last mom?

You're not going to get it. I guess. Tyrannosaurus X is your guess. Is it a bird mom? It's not a bird. Okay. Mike? Is it terrestrial?

It is terrestrial. I'm going to go. That's a good question, actually. You could say that it exists in both water and land, which would be amphibious. Noot. Close. It's a frog.

We're going to talk about the strawberry poison dartmouth. Why do you give that noise? Because they don't have, They don't have emotions. Just wait. How can you say that? All right. Have you looked at one?

Yeah. I could. There's that one. Remember the cutest adult animal I just did? Yeah. Or like we just did. I'm sorry. We weren't even there at last.

You told me the frog looked cute because it was smiling. But it was, yeah. Not if you're holding it wasn't cute. Well, we're going to put some photos up to these animals so people can tell us if they think they're cute or if they have emotions. or not. This tiny frog is found from Nicaragua to Panama, and like the rest of the poison dart frogs, lives in tropical forest ecosystems, and its diet is what causes its skin to become toxic.

So this is really a quick aside. It's a good example where we get to mention poison versus venom. We're almost always talking about venom on our podcast. This venom is injected. Poison is ingested or absorbed. So this is a poisonous animal, not a venomous one. This is one that excretes toxins through its skin. So if you rub those toxins on a mucous membrane, you potentially get very, very sick or even die.

Or if you ate one of these frogs. The thing that really sets it apart from the other poison dart frogs is that female strawberry poison dart frogs are really good moms. After mating, the female lays a small number of eggs on a bromeliad plant, which Brumiliads kind of picture what the top of a pineapple looks like. That's kind of what a Brumliad is. She'll lay her eggs on it. The male actually keeps them wet for about 10 days by expelling water from his cloaca. Yeah, good job, guys.

Yeah, he does a little bit, actually. Yeah. After these eggs hatched into tiny tadpoles, the mom springs into action. One by one, she carries these tiny tadpoles on her back, and she'll find perfect little reservoirs of water in between Bermilliad leaves, knots and trees. How does a frog put a little ball on its back?

They're, like, these tadpoles are just on a leaf at the time, and she just kind of like wiggles them onto her back. And because of that surface tension of like her wet back and the tadpole, it just kind of sticks to her. That's interesting. Yeah. And she'll carry them one by one to these little reservoirs of water, usually in between leaves of a Brumeliad plant.

And she'll deposit each tadpole in its own little pool. And then every day she makes the rounds and visits each of these pools. Oh. And when she does that, she lays unfertilized eggs into the water that serve as food for these tadpoles. which is energetically really costly for her, but it's the only way to guarantee good food for her babies. She does that pretty much every day for one to two months

visiting each of her tadpoles and depositing eggs, which is pretty amazing to me because she's able to remember where she left each of these individual tadpoles to go give them eggs. After they metamorphies into small froglets, they climb out of the pool, they absorb their own tails, they move off to start life on their own. All right.

So that's it. Those are six animals. You guys remember them? Yeah, but mom's got one. Oh, yeah. Mom, what's your animal? Oh, so I just wanted to talk about the mother animal that we've been watching. Okay.

Oh, the killed year. It's the killed her. Yeah. And she's come back. This is the third year in the row. Last year was very unfortunate because we were roofing. And what she does is they don't really have a nest, but they just dig a little hole in the rocks and bark. It's a bird for people that are familiar with the bird.

And then. And then lays her egg. And so last year we were roofing, and Gil took the survey tape and a survey taped all around her. But her. Gil is a man. Yeah. Yeah. That's our dad.

But her babies didn't survive. And we also put off all our landscaping. And then we ended up not doing it because we were going to just re-landscape that whole front area. So this year, Gilbert said, oh, the mother birds back. She dug a hole. and I went out there and I buried the hole. I was like, no, not this year. This year we're going to do.

I know. I wanted to landscape. I was just like tired of it. Well, the babies didn't survive last year either. And I was like, not another month because it's 32 days. And then he locks, Gilbert locks the door, tells everybody to go through the garage. It's just a pain. But I do love her.

Okay. And so anyways, sorry. Yeah. Okay. Anyways, I buried the hole. The next morning, I woke up, there she was, sitting on an egg in a new hole. And so she's out there. But I do really, I mean, I go out there and we communicate.

I sit on the steps. I talk to her. So she has emotions? She did. I'm not. I talk to her, tell her my mother problems and give her a lot of sympathy. And then the dad bird is around because she acts like she has a book. And she tells you, she's like, someone covered my whole life.

Yeah. I tell her. I make a new, and you're like, oh, that's crazy. Well, no, I keep telling her, if you dug it somewhere else, the babies might have lived last year. So, anyways, the male bird is right there all the time. And if you walk by them, they both act like they have broken wings and they try to distract you. Distract you from the nest. They want you to chase them instead of going after the seeds.

It's really awesome. Yeah, it's a cute and brave mom. Yeah. And when we did have babies, they were, they were. The most adorable things. Yeah. So that's my mother. All right.

Despite your best efforts. We'll add her to the list. We have seven animals. We've got the octopus, the cheetah, the polar bear, the gray whale, orangutan, dart frog, and kill deer. Why don't, to make this easier, why don't we each pick one? And those are going to be our top four. And then the listeners are going to vote on those four, which is the best animal mom.

Okay. So we'll each pick one of those. animals once it's been picked no one else can pick it for the for what we talk whale our favorite whale I choose whale the gray whale okay gray well passes through we'll say we each have one veto too no that's too much yeah Invisibility folks very well gray well Graywell passes through you go next okay um I'm gonna pick I'm gonna pick polar bears okay Mike I'm gonna go orangutan nice I wanted one or two

I'll take the cheetah. Okay, all right. So we're dropping, oh, I really wanted that octopus. Yeah. I'm switching to the octopus. I have a theory about her, though. What? Maybe she just couldn't die.

Maybe it wasn't that she wanted to go live for four years. I don't think so. Maybe she just was like, oh, take me. They wrote a whole paper on it. Wes vetoed himself. I'm going to pick the octopus. It's hard for me not to pick the polar bear, but the octopus was so interesting to me that I'm going to pick her.

Okay. So you're using your one veto on yourself? Yeah. Vitoing myself. So Octopus, Graywell, I'm going to veto you as well. I'm going to veto you as well. I'm going to pick something else.

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Hi, I, uh, let's get you a basket. All right, so we have our four animal mothers that we're going to post, and we want you all in the comments to vote on which one's your favorite. Maybe we'll do a little poll on Instagram as well. But I really enjoyed learning about these moms. I'm glad you pushed us to do a feel good episode, a feel good fun one, because sometimes learning about humans being attacked all the times does get a little depressing, so it is fun to do this.

So thanks, Mom. And thanks for bringing your own animal. Oh, sure, yeah. Let's get into our categories then. Okay. Our first one is if you could pick one animal species as your mom, which would you pick any animal out there? I'll pick the octopus.

That one, octopus. Yeah. Just let me eat it, and then I'm on my own. Yeah. You're just going to be in an egg for four years And then you're hatched and on your own Yeah All right

I'm gonna pick the frog I like that It doesn't have to be one of our animals Just any animal No I genuinely think it's like a really Strawberry frog Yeah Yeah

Okay Strawberry poison dark frog Mom I think maybe the arena We're all picking our animals Yeah All right You want to be with your mom

As long as possible She's gonna just Carry me around The first two years Yeah Yeah Yeah And then we're still friends when I'm, like, adult.

I like that into. Yeah. I'm going to pick a golden eagle. It's another species I got to work with a bit, and they tend to build their nests in just, like, really beautiful places. They overlook just, like, big valleys. You always held it against mom and dad that we didn't have a better view growing up. Yeah, that's it.

No, we had a great view. I just like the idea of being born in a, like, nest that overlooks something beautiful. Your parents come back. Mom and dad are feeding you. And as soon, like, you leave, you leave home because you can fly. That's pretty cool. Sure. Very symbolic.

Yeah. I don't think living in a nest where you can, like, fall to your death at any given moment, that's going to be pretty tough. You're picking, like, what animal you want to be the last. Yeah. Sure. I also, yeah, that's true. I guess that's part of the equation.

It wasn't so much the mom, was it? I did a bad job. That's my pick, I guess, though. Yeah, we actually had an eagle mom that on our trail camera that we set up, like accidentally pushed her egg out of the nest. Oh, that's a good story. And we kind of like looked at her. We watched her just kind of look over and she was like, oh,

and then just like walked back. So you would want your mom to kill me, bird feed you? Uh, I picked the bad. Mom to throw up in your mouth. I picked the bad answer. You were right. I picked what I wanted to be. All right.

We're going to go to our next category. A mom from a sitcom on TV that you want to talk about. I got to look up her name. I got to go Marge Simpson. Okay. Yeah. Speak on or Wes? I think, you know, we grew up in a house that didn't watch a ton of TV.

And mom, you remember how much TV you would let me watch? Yeah, three hours. Three hours. And I, one of my hours. A week, right? Like a per week. No, a day. That's not a lot?

It's not like a ton. Like some families just constantly have the TV on. It's gaming. Yeah. Three hours of screen time isn't like a time. Okay. Yeah. Also, like, I had an hour of Discovery Channel I watched every night.

So I usually used half of my budget to watch the Simpsons. Yeah. And there was an hour and a half of Simpsons on every day. And I loved, that was like my kind of nighttime ritual was watching the Simpsons. And it was during the time when it was coming out of the 90s where I think there was a lot of pushback for the Simpsons. And people thought they were like crude, bad. And I think initially my parents, my mom, especially. kind of thought that, but you gave me freedom to watch it.

But then over time, you started watching it with us. Yeah, we all watched it. And then it became like a family show and we all loved it. And a big part of that, I think, was because Marge is like the grounding presence of the Simpsons, I think. She's like a very understated character. But I do think, in a real way, the good parts of the Simpsons revolve around Mark. She's the heart. She is.

The heart of the show for sure. She is. Marge and Lisa, for sure. So I think, yeah, she was kind of like my TV mom, you know? Yeah, she's probably the best, right? I don't know. She has blue hair. I'm going to go with Mortisha Adams.

I think goth mommy, one of the OG goth mommies. And I have a particular taste. The Adams family. Okay. I think she's a really special character because she is a good mom, but in something that I learned from my parents growing up is Gomez and Mortisha Tish, affectionately referred to as Tish by. Gomez, but they were so loving towards each other. And I think that's such an underappreciated part

of parenting. Yeah. Because children, they learn how to express and show love from their parents, I think, by and large. I'm not an expert on this matter. So maybe we'll have listeners telling me I'm wrong. But in my experience, that's how I learned to express and show love. And I think Mortisha and Gomez were like kind of so sweetly and saccharingly in love with each other. Yeah, when I think of that show, that's what I think of. Yeah, they're special. I think they're so fun. That makes sense to me because I feel like whenever you talk about your mom and dad,

like, you always say they were, like, very in love with each other. Yeah. And, like, very affectionate and just, like, very sweet to each other. It was really hard to consider my dad as, like, an individual person when my mom died because it was just, like, it's mom and dad. Yeah. It's, like, one entity almost. A true partnership.

Yeah. Cool. I did one kind of based off of you too, Mom, or just our growing up in the Larson family. And I went with Lois. Oh, never mind. What were you going to guess? I was going to guess, well, I guess it wouldn't have been a sitcoms.

I was going to say Swiss Family Robinson. Now, I went with Lois from Malcolm in the middle. Oh, so I don't ever watch that. Yeah, it's like four boys, but they're all very wild. And then the dad in the show acts like a child. or like acts like one of the boys. He's pretty goofy. Yeah, he's very goofy.

So the mom is like, I mean, it's dramatic. I'm not saying this part is necessarily you, but the mom's very like chaotic and like yells at him a lot. But then she also is like, I'm saying that's not you. Don't give me that. She's the glue. But then she's the one that brings everyone together. She's the one that gets things done, gets the kids to like their appointments when

everything's going crazy. She's the one that figures out where everyone needs to be all the time. And she's the one that really sticks up for the family if it's ever, if anyone ever comes at them. Like, she's the one you got to be most worried about, you know. So she's a good, she's a good mom. Great mom. Mom? Yeah, I actually like Claire Dumphy in Modern Family.

Yeah. I never watched it for so many years. And then just in my later years, I started watching it when we were on vacation. and now I just love her. And I'm not really like her. Hot mom, too. Yes. I'm not really like her, but I'm not the A type personality,

but I just love how she's not perfect. And, but she, you know, she cares about everything and she cares about everyone. Yeah. All right. Our next category is going to be a surrogate mom in your lives that maybe said something to you or did something to you. Cindy came up with this one. Yeah.

that you appreciate. So like some person that is a woman or a mom in your life that isn't your mom that did something meaningful for you. I'll go with Jordan Johns. She was just a girl the year younger than me in high school. But one time we were going to have a test and I told her I wasn't going to write any notes because we could use notes for the test. And then the next day she had written two sets of notes and given me one to use. on the test and it helped a lot. So nice.

It is very nice. I've got one if you guys need more time to think. When Bryce's health was failing, we had a vet friend that was very, very helpful. Her name's Patty. And she was just like a constant person that we could reach out to and talk to.

And I think of her because she's a little bit older than us and just like so good and helpful. And like when we finally made the decision with Bryce, she came over and did it. And it was very sweet and left us a nice card. And it's just been really good to Jesse especially because she feels the same way about pets as Jesse does. So just like very, very sweet and nice and kind. So I think a nice surrogate mom that we needed during a hard time. Yeah.

I think it's important to just remember things like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

My best friend's mom, Debbie Simpson, when we were living in Reno, Nevada. You're what? Anyway, it was. The kind of household I could go in without even calling ahead of time, I could just walk in, whether my best friend was there or not, and she'd be there, and she'd have. This is a weird thing. She always had chocolate soda. Chocolate soda?

She'd always offer me chocolate soda. It's disgusting. But it's very nice. She always had a bunch of chocolate soda and popcorn, because she'd always have. knew I love popcorn. And she'd just be like she'd hang out with me, you know? And she became like as much a friend as my friend was to me. Do you think once you like...

You did that with some of my friends. They like to hang out, to hang out with you. Yeah. Do you think once you told her like, I like chocolate and soda and she just heard chocolate soda and just started buying it for you? It could be. I've never encountered it again for the rest of my time on this earth. Chocolate ice cream with just soda water.

Yeah. That's really good. Water? I was about to agree with that. You put it in a bowl? Or in a cup. So like a root beer float, but without root? Yeah, it's really good.

Jeannie has it all the time. No. Yeah. Yeah. We should try that. I'll try it. Yeah, me too. I had a lot of ants that I was really close to.

Yeah. Like little ants, baby ants. No, my aunts. I had a couple in town, and then my other ants were just always so nice to me. But then again, my friend's mom, they all. just took us under their wings and let us, you know, just come. And then there was just one more Elaine Rob, and she wasn't, you know, she was my mom's, like when my parents' best friend.

And she was just, I just loved just walking in their house and hanging out. Great. Is that still a thing people do, you think? Or are we kind of a little too safe for a system? There are some people to do that still. I'm sure. Sure. Yeah.

Especially other countries. I think different areas, too. I think in California they do it more than... Yeah, in Brazil they did that all the time. Yeah. This is a Bose moment. You've been there before. Somebody's apartment, small talk that's going nowhere,

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So people know we have printed out paper, a open laptop, a magazine. No, the magazine's just for my. And then about two notebooks and a phone. And some loose papers. And a note pad. Yeah. Okay.

So. I know where I get it from now. A land. Maybe this is why I left. on my cards. I will say the language hasn't improved much. Oh, but I do like it when you do beep it.

You don't beep everything. Braxton, I would really appreciate a little more of that. Jeff, will you say the words that we beep? No, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, anyways. I think Cindy should say them so we know what not to say.

Yeah, what words don't you want us to say? No, okay. I was... Okay, let's move on. Anyways, I was listening to old episodes. I wasn't prompted on this question, but I was listening to old episodes just to get me ready. And I listened to the New Year's resolutions. Yeah.

So I just wanted to check up. Uh-huh. I just wanted to check up on you guys. Yeah. Jeff. What was mine? You had. Mine was easy.

Don't set too many goals. Yeah, I'm doing great. Get pain free. You know, it's improving a lot. I do the But then you just add some in different area Or sorry, butt surgery Bum

But surgery Was a setback on that resolution Okay And no nukes No nuclear Yeah I don't You know

So far so good So far so good I think Yeah Mike Mike yours was right in your journal every day How's that going? Yeah

I haven't missed a day Wow And I wrote down your quote Mike because I loved it so much. The less you do, the less you have to write. How's that coming? That's wisdom.

That's going great. Are there just days where you write? Nothing. Yeah. No, you've done too many trips. You can't just say that. Is that why you hate trips? My next New Year's resolution is going to be no more trips.

Trying to swim more? I haven't been doing good with that. Oh, well, guess what? I picked that up for you. I need to do that. that more. Yeah, I've started swimming. Time to refocus.

Good job, mom. Thanks. And then leaving your phone? I have been doing it a lot better at that. Oh, really? Yeah. Where do you leave it? I leave it in my car sometimes when I go into grocery stores or any other store or movies

sometimes, but I haven't been doing perfect. Movies we saw this week, I took it in, but I do it more than I used to. And I actually came up with another resolution that I'd been doing really good at. Let's hear it. And that was, I'm not killing. anything that doesn't bite or attack me first. So even like flies, spiders, anything in my house, it has to like try and bite me for me to kill it. And so I've been doing really good at that.

Which reminds me of a listener question. Okay. Sarah, I think her name's evil Sarah, but she wondered if someone told her, you know how you said you didn't kill spiders, but you put them outside. Someone told her then those spiders just go back inside them Sometimes yeah I like having spiders inside the other little bugs She and I both kill the spiders I've been really testing myself because one of our plants has this infestation of tiny little flies Like little fruit flies and they're all over and I don't kill them

Oh my gosh Wes that's wrong Jeff, Jeff do you kill him Wait I was gonna say what was I going to say oh yeah well if one of the horses bit you. I wouldn't kill it. It's not that if it bites me, I don't have to kill it. I'm not forced to kill it. What were you asking, mom?

Do you kill spiders? My rights? I'll kill, yeah, I'll kill insects. Spiders I like more than most insects. Spiders aren't insects, though. If you have a spider in your... What's, what you want to say? If you find a spider in your room.

I'm not going to say that. If you find a spider in your room, do you kill it? In my room? Uh-huh. Depends like if it, like there was... What was? it. I was, what was her last trip? A lot of the goats. Yeah. Yeah. There was like some bug. This was a beetle though.

And it was on my leg. And I swatted it off my leg and hit it into the wall to kind of like hurt it, but not kill it. But then like half an hour later, it was back on my leg. So then it's like, yeah, you're dead. It's asking for it. You know? Yeah. Mike, that's a victim. Do you kill spiders if they're in your room? I don't. In fact, One of the saddest moments of this past year, a plumber came over and told me that he saw a black widow in our little closet downstairs. And he said, but don't worry about it. I killed it. And I was so devastated.

I was like, oh. Seriously? I wanted to at least see that. Yeah, I would just remove it. Oh, my gosh. Wes, what about the fleets? Fleeze? They're hard to catch and kill.

Would you kill them? Yeah, because they're biting me. They're bugs. But they're biting me. Okay. All right. Anyways, that's the part about your. resolutions.

Okay. So I've been answering a lot or I've been responding to a lot of the messages. Yeah, Patreon. In this past year, has been responding to a lot of people. And then in the email,

the mailbag, Jeff didn't tell me he did the advice thing. So I was telling people. I was telling him this is the wrong place. Jeff's like, oh, sorry, my mom got it wrong, but this is the right place. I'm like, that's anyways. I think you're paraphrasing a little bit.

I would say, too, just so everyone knows, we get a lot of messages from a lot of different sources. Instagram, you know, part of that's our fault for not having a better place for you to write us. And the three of us just aren't great at answering. So we have prioritized our subscriber messages, and my mom, our mom,

has been doing a great job helping us with those, because those even become a little unmanageable for us. So thank you, Mom. You're welcome. So I actually wanted to give you guys a few compliments, like since we're summing up the year of what some of the people have said about the podcast. Okay. Let's hear.

And Wes said they don't really like pets on the back that much, but I said I'll try to just make it so it's not bad. I want to sincerely thank you guys for the podcast. not only have I gained a ton of knowledge from listening, but listening to West talk about his field work inspired me to go back to school because I knew there were actually jobs in which I could work hand-on with wildlife in a meaningful way.

And actually several people have written in that very kind of same thing. And it doesn't even have to be... This one, no. Just a first one. Oh yeah, I think this one is Christine. No, this is Yash. All right.

Okay. No, maybe not. I don't think I have any of it. I do have one from Yash, though. I appreciate how you guys have thousands of fans and still manage to involve them all. We do our best. So that was nice. You have kept me so deeply inspired, and today I was just accepted into a graduate biology program.

I'm chasing my dreams and making them come true. And I'm so thankful for the knowledge and insight you share about animals in the natural world, Christine. That's great. You know a lot of... You said that as a yeah. Yeah, that's all right. No, the other one was Yash. You said Christine at the end.

Sorry. No, you're fine. They know what they wrote. I'm getting all crossed up. Okay. Here's another one. I think this is, I'm sorry. I didn't keep the name straight.

Oh, this is stew dog. Okay. Stude dog. I also want to thank you guys. Early in March, I went to the hospital to get a routine EKG. In about 10 seconds into the scan, the text said to me, oh, okay, I'm going to suggest I take you over to the ER media. long story short i spent the next eight hours in the er why they tried to get my heart rate down i went in and my heart rate was pushing 200 bm i is diagnosed with atrial fibrillation and have had an anxious

month of tests and scans trying to figure out the next course of treatment i have oCD and anxiety and being shuffled into the er and having a bunch of monitors was you know bad for anyways blah blah blah um but i did oh his wife was gone and so he said i was all alone but i did have my ear beds you guys kept me company whilst i was laying in the er room and michael it says whilst with the wiles whilst you say that sometimes i do i i should stop and listen no it's a good word it is now and um listening to tooth and claw help to distract me from what I was going through and ease my anxiety of the situation. I just wanted you guys to know that your podcast does more than entertain and inform. It helps people in ways you probably haven't thought about. I work in a long-term care facility as a

health care assistant and I'm returning to school to finish the nursing program. I've played your YouTube videos for a number of my residents. So this is the health, the care facility. And they thoroughly enjoy the videos. So you should know you do have a 98-year-old toothy out here in Vancouver Island. Wow. Studeau. Yeah. So he saved Studeau's life. Okay, there's just, I think there's just one more. I wanted you guys to know how important, especially you are to listeners. I have a hard time switching on a different podcast because it's not you guys. You are part of my everyday life and honestly feel like family members. I want to make sure to check in with some, in some way each day. It's hard to word without sounding creepy, but your voices and humor are such a comfort and really do help many people cope.

That's all the subliminal messages we slip into our content for the tooth and cult. Only listen to us. Right. You can't escape. We are your family. We're the only ones you can listen to us. I did. I forgot to write it.

It was before I was taking these down, but another woman wrote in. Did you have a name for that last one? Yeah, Megan. Megan, M-A-E-G-A-N. And then this one I don't have a name for her. I think she moved to Ireland, but she said that the last time she had... Can you do it? Do the whole one.

She said the last time she had her baby, that she listened to all three episodes of the... Night of the Grizzlies. Night of the Grizzlies. And then she was asking if she's going to have another baby in the fall. So she was wondering if maybe you guys wanted to do another, like, three? part episode so that she could go through labor again. Sure.

Yeah. Yeah. I like that one too. Well, thank you. That's very nice here. Okay, just one more, one more. Okay. I have a note for each of you.

Mike, I learn new words every episode because of you. Wow. Thank you for making me use, make use of my dictionary. Jeff, are you still single? Asking for a friend. That friend is me. That's a good question right now. Wes, Jesse is really cool and you're very smart.

Also, thank you for normalizing bear spray. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Thanks, everyone. That's really nice. So that's really nice. I just love those.

And I didn't even read the ones they wrote to me. Yeah. I'm sure you get a lot of nice things said about you. Yeah. Anything else from your since last year, mom? Since last year? Yeah. Do you want to give us any feedback?

Yeah. Not from the listeners, from you? From me? Yeah. What do you think? How did we do that? What should we do better? What did you think?

I'm not going to. Yeah, I'm not. Chimp crazy? I thought you guys did an excellent job. Do you think Tanya does an excellent job? No. I felt sorry for her, but I felt sorry for those people. I mean, it was too bad.

She's a mom to those chimps to Tanya. Yeah. It was too bad. I mean, the show was good, but I thought you guys did a, I was listening for, I was doing it for you. And you guys did an excellent job on that. Cool. Thanks. Yeah.

I think you've done really well. I think it's been good. Are you good? I think we're good. Okay. We're going to move on to our next category, which is one that's very topical that we need to talk about quickly, which is our cage match category.

And lately, on Twitter, especially, and in a lot of other places, people have been talking about this question that someone posed of who would win between 100 men or a gorilla. 100 men versus one gorilla. Yeah, versus one big male. What's your gut reaction, mom? or back gorilla. Who's winning that?

And the 100 men fight it at the same time. I'd go for the men. They have the bigger brains. I think pretty, I think 50 men. Me too. I, so I was asked this by some friends, and I think 30 to 40 men could probably do it.

And I think the assumption we're making is that both parties, the 100 men and the gorilla, are like amped up and fighting, like a cage match thing, I think. Yeah. And so if that's the case, I think just the physical way, of all the men pouring onto the gorilla

is enough to stop it. We also have much better stamina than gorillas. Gorillas run out of energy a lot quicker than we do. And so I think there's going to be some fatalities. That gorilla's going to kill a handful of people. Yeah. But I think if the men are able to like pile on to it, hold it down. Yeah, like maybe like two men's job

is just to like have their hands down there and just like throw people up in the air. That's a good measure to pile driver. I think if I was in there, I could do a lot of help getting that gorilla. If you could handpick the men fighting this gorilla, how many men do you think it would take? I think it would take like 10. Really? Who would be your like first overall pick?

John Jones, the UFC fan. He's like the best UFC fight. He'd get disqualified though because he'd be like abusing some steroids. Is it steroids loud? Yeah, sure. Is cocaine allowed? I think the one thing that's- Can the gorilla take cocaine?

take cocaine. Sure. The one thing that's not allowed is weapons. Because I think that men have the bigger, the smarter brains. Yeah, sure. So the gorilla doesn't get to just be fed the cocaine. He has to choose that that's what he wants.

Actually. Fair not. It's a good point. It's free will. I might choose like people I don't like. Just as a gorilla wins. Like, get like Zuckerberg thinks he can fight to put him in.

Yeah, let's throw all the billioners in against it. They're the first wave, too. Blah, blah, blah, blah. It's an interesting, it's an interesting conversation. Sorry, Mom, we know you like Billy Nass. She loves them. She won't. I don't blame her.

I want to be with one, too. It's an interesting conversation. People have been talking about a lot. I do think people tend to think that primates, apes especially, are much more powerful than they actually are. We were actually guilty of that until we did the Chimp Crazy episodes. One of us was guilty. Yeah, and who? Me especially, I think, honestly.

Jeff had a better read on it. Jeff's the one that thought he could beat him. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying you had a better read. I think they have the, oh, you're a better read. I'm saying Jeff had it right. I thought you were. He didn't have it right, but he was closer to right than I thought.

I said I have a 3% chance. That's pretty good. Three out of 100. Against a chimpanzee. Yes, I still don't think that's true. But I think like you were closer than I thought. Okay. I thought it was like a total zero.

And the primatologist that we talked to said, you know, they're not quite as crazy powerful as people think they are. So 30 to 40 men, I think could probably do it. Yeah. I'm not quite as crazy powerful as our listeners think I am either. Yeah, that's true.

Because I did 200 pounds. But that was a while ago and I haven't done it again. Yeah. All right. So for our final big category, we're going to do listener questions. and Jeff on Instagram prompted our listeners. Tooth and clawed.

Excuse me. On Instagram prompted our listeners to do Mother's Day or Cindy Larson related questions. So Jeff, did we get some good ones? Yeah. All right. Gavin F. 96. 96, that's a funny number. That's close to.

No, it's the opposite. That's funny. Well, you lay like back to back, head to toe? Yeah, sure. That's funny. All right. Mom, this is for you. Okay.

What did you honestly think when your son said, that they were starting a podcast. And what do you think now that it's become a massive success? So I honestly thought it was a great idea because it was COVID. And Wes had just lost his dream job of actually being on a show. Check it out. Yeah. Great big story.

Mission Wild. It's hard to find these days. Yeah. And they started it. They actually came home for a month, two months for COVID. So they did it in my basement. So that was a lot of fun for. me.

Yeah, I would just, I would just sit on the stairs and listen to them. And it was, it was just a lot of fun. So I'd say, Mom, you better not be listening up day. Yeah. And then we'd hear. I'm not shocked. I'm not shocked that it became big. I'm, I am a little shocked that it became this big.

But I just thought, like, Wes, for a while, West. Yeah. For a while, Wes, he wrote a blog and lots of people followed his blog because it was super funny. He, what was the blog called? Wes actually used to be, Yeah, Wes actually used to be the funny one, but, and he still can be, but he had to get, he wanted to be taken seriously. He wanted to be taken seriously as a wildlife biologist.

He's still the final. So he, yeah. No, it is a good point, though. Yeah. Wes is actually funnier than me, and I'm actually smarter than Wes. But we just kind of fell into these rules. Okay. I'm rapidly trying to find.

find if my blog is still out there so I can delete it. Rebecca Poulson. You love Rebecca Poulson. Yeah, yeah, I do. I do. You knew her when she was a little girl. Watched her grow up. Yep.

If Cindy could be any animal, what would she be? I think right now I would be a hawk. Nice. I like that, Anne. I want to fly like them, and then they have the sharp beak, so they can't. No one has to just give them. They can defend themselves and they can just kill fish. We'll bleep that word out.

No one can give them what? C-R-A-P? Mom. No one can give them. Is that a better one? Rott? Rott. Sure.

It's a slang word. We'll start using that. It's a slang. Blimp that one too, Bill, just in case. Lindsay Adam Glenn's ass. What's the most surprising thing about motherhood? I think the most surprising thing was the bond that came like right at birth and it was crazy especially with Wes's eyes how could you know

well no I mean Cyrus was the first child but it was crazy because I didn't think that would happen I didn't just love babies and then he was born and I think they were cute I didn't I said well all babies are ugly my baby will be ugly yeah it gets older and then I saw him and I thought he was the most beautiful thing I'd ever seen. And that was just weird to me because it was, it was like, you know, just written. All she did was talk about how cute of baby Cyrus was. And then I would always be like, was I cute?

And she'd like, yeah. You drooled a lot. Well, you're the ones they wanted for commercials. Oh, okay. Hunt for Bucks asked, if you had a fourth son, what would you name it? I would have named it Garrett because that's my maiden name. Yeah. For a while, though,

What was the name you really wanted to name one of us? What? Tyrone. Oh, we already covered the Tyrone thing. Okay, go ahead. Ava Esha asked, did you always want to be a mom? And what piece of advice for first time moms? I did always want to be a mom.

I always loved children, children, children, but not always just babies, but I wanted to be a mom. My advice would be to listen to yourself and trust your instincts because you are that mother. You're the child's mother and other people will give you advice and you can just sift through it and decide what is best for your child. And you always do what's best of your child's interest. I mean, not that you put your own needs away, but if you have to juggle something, you think what is best for my child with discipline, with love, everything, what is best for my child? It's got to be hard for moms these days with all the information out there for them. like to know what's good and what's bad basically don't listen to that advice listen to your own

advice listen to your that's what i'm saying yeah kail rabbo's asked what kail kail kail from our trip it could be kail hi kail if it is you hi kala how's this wind is crazy yeah we got a hurricane right now but close that door what has been cindy's favorite wildlife encounter ever it is is from Kyla. Hi, Kyle. Okay,

so I have, I have two that I'll just go over real quick. The first one, I think one of you named in your podcast

before, it's when we saw the orcas, and we were whale watching, and the orcas just, Wes just looked out

and he said, there's orcas and the guide was like, no, we don't have orcas over here. No one sees

orcas. And then, I'm pretty sure I saw them. Of course, it was Wes that saw them

too. And they just came and they just played around the boat and it was just one of the best days of my life actually it was just so and it was funny because the boys had just jumped in and peed all the guys in the boat and so and they swam around the boat and stuff and then they got in and then all of a sudden the orc has appeared and I'm just like oh my gosh yeah but um yeah so that was a really great day and we saw all those dolphins too and the whales but um the grave no it was a blue whale The other one is I was hiking in Glacier

and I was done with the hike, the Grinnell Glacier hike. I was almost done and my feet hurt so bad and it is so hard for me to do that hike. I was just dying and I just needed to get back. And so I was going fast and Gilbert was way behind me because he wasn't going fast. And... You're a lot better shape than it.

No, I wasn't. But anyways, he kept saying, Cindy, Cindy, and I just kept going. And finally he goes, Cindy, bear. And there was a grizzly bear coming down the hill right to the trail. And it actually came onto the trail as only two bus lengths away from me. Yeah. And it just kind of looked at me and I looked at him.

But I had actually seen a grizzly way up on the mountain. And so I was holding my bear spray and the safety was actually off. And so I just thought You felt comfortable? I did. I wasn't scared. I just thought, well, maybe this is it. Maybe this is my encounter.

And then I slowly backed up and I backed up to where Gilbert was. And then he's like, okay, I'll cover you. You can get out your phone and take a picture. And I hadn't even thought about it. So I didn't get a very good picture. But it was still pretty cool. And then it just lumbered down the trail to a pool of water. and it swam in the water

and we just stayed there for like 20 minutes and watched it. I wanted to watch it till it left. He was like, okay, should we go? Like, well, there's still a grizzly bear right there. Wes would have watched it before. I know. I know.

I should have just said no. But my fee were killing me anyway, so that was my other one. All right. Great one. Thanks. Great answers. Yeah.

Thanks. Harpo barks asked, Hi, Cindy. Can we hear a little? I like that name. Oh, you want to hear an animal sound? Can we hear a little bit about your mom? Was she an animal lover too?

Any notable wildlife pails from her? I don't know that my mom was actually a wildlife, wildlife lover. They took us camping all the time, and we loved outdoors. And they would point out animals, but she didn't really care about interactions with them. And we, she was more, yeah, she wasn't really an animal person. She's very sweet. Did you have a favorite flower? She loved roses.

Yeah. And she was, she was very nice. She read to me. She just, she was just a really good mom. I, it wasn't like we were the best, you know, I had two sisters. It wasn't like we were all just super best friends with our mom. Like, we just kind of all. Yeah. Yeah. And she just kind of took care of us and we just kind of did our own things. And it was nice. She didn't like water, but she still took us to a pool like every day in the summer. We went to lakes everywhere We went to the ocean all the time And water is my favorite thing So We were about to get an animal noise Out of mom there

Yeah, I thought they were asking Give us a bark But I did say With no But with this question Give us a horse With this question A listener on Patreon

When we were writing And he found out it was me He kind of told me a couple things He told me that His kids did not listen to it Well he's only five because he doesn't want him to be sitting for the poop thing. Oh, yes.

No, he's like maybe later when he's older. Okay, but he did want to tell me about his mom, which I thought was super sweet. He's like, let me tell you about my mom. She loves wildlife too. We have an endless stream of pets growing up. My parents live out in the country where we grew up, and over the years have given my mom a bunch of trail cameras that she sets up all around our property.

She sends us picture of deer, coyotes, bobcats, turkeys, quail, and all the time, whenever me and the boys are exploring on their property, we always do a photo bomb on the trail cams if we spot one. She also sends pictures of cool rocks, clouds, and any cool things she finds out in nature. They live near a big lake too, so when we were kids, she would wait till the water was really low, then take us to hunt for treasures in all the places that are normally covered by water. I could see me doing that. And after hearing you and your boys talk about owls in the family, I checked it out

from the library to read to my boys. I told my mom about it, and she immediately went and checked it out, too. She's just a really sweet lady and a fun mom. And you, Wes, and Jeff, and Mike remind us. And this is from Meet McCubby, but he kind of wanted Mike to say his name. Meet McCubby? There you go. Yeah, tell me if I did that.

Mom, I'll say it again. Wait, so next. All right. That's good. Thank you. Yeah, okay But I really liked that one I just thought it was so nice

He wanted to talk about his mom Yeah Okay Can I, do you want me to keep going? Sure All right Journey and Joss And I Carpenter

So Journey and Joss says When they were little Did you have any ideas On what they should be When they grew up And I Carpenter said If you could have picked Your kids' professions

What would they have been? Well, I knew Wes would be happiest working with animals. I didn't know. I also knew that he would like money because he likes nice things. Lots of money and bears.

He's very frugal though. So I wasn't sure what he should do. I didn't think vet was really the thing because he got allergic to animals. So I wasn't really sure. I didn't really want him working with sharks all that much. That was kind of scary to me.

So, but I figured he would work with animals and be happy. And then Jeff, Jeff, I would have loved for him to be a professional basketball player because that's what he wanted. It's what you pushed me before. No, I didn't. I didn't think he would. I thought Jeff might do really good with driving tractors.

And actually, I think I feel a little bad because for a while he wanted to drive helicopters, fly helicopters. Fly helicopters. And I didn't. Spaceship pilot. I was afraid of flying for a while. So I didn't encourage that, but I think he would have loved that. So that would have been a good one too. What about Cyrus?

Jeff wanted to be active. I think Jeff needed a job where he could do something. What about Cyrus? Cyrus, I thought he would be an engineer like his dad. Or I did think he could be a dentist because we have like five dentists in the family. Okay, a couple more real quick. Okay. YK. Chata asks, should Father Seahorses be celebrated this day?

Since they gave birth to the babies. I don't think so. Was it for mom? Okay. Oh, crazy. I didn't even know that. Yeah. No, I don't think so.

Why not? Because they're male. All right. Yeah, I would agree with that. Fantastic. Has Jeff always had a baby voice? I don't think Jeff has a baby voice, so I like his voice. And I think he has the best laugh in the world.

He does have the best laugh. We had, I had to go to a lot of speech classes, though. Well, Wes went to more. I went to Oval. Oh, Wes was. I went to so many. Yeah. The tiger.

So Wes is on. Yeah, the tiger. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Forgib, Burbs, ask for your top five favorite animals. Please. Please?

Yeah. Okay. I'd do dog, horse, tiger. A bear is certainly in there, right? Oh, yeah. Bear. Which kind? Grizzly?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, what type of dog? Grizzly bear, black bear. Bull or Bear. Okay. So I like all of those. Yeah.

All right. Well, thank you, everyone, for your questions for our mom. We love having her on the show. It's really fun to hear you answer people's questions. It's fun to have you participate. And it's been great having you help us out more this year. It's really been fun to have our listeners connect with you. So thanks for doing that.

Yeah. Thanks, Mom. They're great people. They're great people. And I really do like you. I wouldn't say that as a blanket statement. Yeah, most of them are pretty great. I think most all of them are great people.

Yeah. We probably have a couple bad people. We probably have it. I mean, statistically, we have at least one murderer. Yeah. Really? Yeah. You think that murder is a great person?

No. I don't. Right in, murderer. Yeah, let us know. Who do you want to murder? Maybe they had a good reason. All right. Well, thank you.

Luigi. Anyone else have anything else I want to say? Luigi's listening. Oh, I have one more thing to ask you, Wes. Okay. Okay. Dear Wes, Mike, and Jeff, my name is Hazel, and I'm seven years old. I'm in second grade. I want to help save endangered animals really bad. I want to ask you something

I saw in the zoo. When me and my family were in the Smithsonian National Zoo, we saw a gorilla pee in its hand and lick its hand. Why did it do that? I have no idea. You don't? Okay. We also saw a rain of town, eat something, and then throw up, and then eat the throw up, and then throw up again, and eats it throw up again. Why did it do that? I also don't know. It's not a behavior they do. It is, obviously. but probably they do it in the wild too. I mean, for pee, a lot of animals lick pee because it gives them salt. Yeah, I don't think that's, it could be though. I don't know.

But I think I'll just say like the big horn sheep at Glacier will go to like parking lots and lick it up for salt and they'll lick people's pee. But I'm guessing Great Apes in the zoo get plenty of salt from their food. I think Great Apes are just weird. They just do weird stuff sometimes that's really gross. I mean, especially in zoos. I mean, a human has probably done that before. Yeah.

Yeah, I forget who it was, but there was a baseball player who used to pee all over his hands before every game. Ew. He thought it made him, like, tougher. You know, like, his hands were, like, more leathery and tough to. Yeah. You probably licked his hand a little bit. Yeah. Yeah.

For sure. Yeah. So humans do that, too. Okay. Maybe it's a primate thing. Why do they do that, Wes? I just, I guess, I got a video for you. There's some stuff you can watch.

And then, Jeff, her favorite animal fact is, or her favorite animals. a clouded leopard have two facts about them for you. They are closest living relatives to the saber-tooth tigers, and they are not actually leopards. Okay. This is Hazel. That's interesting. So I just wanted to put that one in since her mom helped her,

and I'm not sure about her listening to the dachs, but okay. All right. That's her mom's choice. Okay. Anyone else? Your advice. Anything else before we wrap this up? Shout out mom.

Yeah. Biological moms, step moms, adoptive moms. Hot moms. Hot moms, especially the hot ones. Geez. Happy Mother's Day. Happy Mother's Day, everyone. Thanks, Mom for being on it.

We love you. Thanks. And we'll see you later. We'll see you later. Okay. Bye. See ya. Love your moms.