Tooth & Claw: True Stories of Animal Attacks - Animal Attack News Roundup - Eko the Tiger, the Serial Squirrel, and Monkeyin’ Around

Episode Date: February 6, 2022

We finally get around to talking about the incident down in a Florida zoo involving Eko the tiger, and share our thoughts on what the fallout of the unfortunate incident was and should be.  ~~ To advertise on the show, contact us! ~~ Tooth & Claw is brought to you by QCODE. Support the show and get access to an extensive library of exclusive episodes like this by supporting the show on Patreon or joining the Grizzly Club on Apple Podcasts. For the latest updates on the show and all things wildlife, follow us at toothandclawpod.com and social:  Instagram: @ToothandClawPodcast Twitter: @ToothandClawPod Wes: @GrizKid Jeff: @jefe_larson Mike: @mikey3ds                          Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Just head to mood.com. That's M-O-O-D.com to get started. Welcome back to another episode of Tooth and Claw. Today, we're doing another animal attack news roundup. We figured we'd probably better since we were getting a lot of requests to talk about not only the tiger down in the Florida Zoo, but also the squirrel over in the UK that attacked 18 people and a few different stories that we thought were worth sharing, not just because they're really interesting, but because there's a lot to learn. And of course, like always, West does a really good job of teaching us all that we need to know. So that's what's on the docket for today, and we hope you all enjoy the episode. Oh, and real quick, I'm just going to make another plug for

our Patreon because our latest episode is a little weirder and wilder than what we usually get up to over there. So if any of you want to hear even more from us, you can go join us over at patreon.com slash tooth and claw podcast. Okay, that'll do it for me. Let's go. Okay, tooth and claw, here we are. We're back. Back again.

Sitting on my living room floor. We're all together. We just finished our grizzly episodes, and now we're done with that. So this one's going to be our animal news episode. It's been a little while, so we got some built up. Yeah, we're a little late, but we got some good stories. So forget everything you know about animals and... What?

We'll take it from here. Actually, don't do that. Before we get into it, I just want to bring up... We've been playing a lot of VR. We have been playing some VR. Separated, and it's a pretty fun way to, like, just talk. Yeah, we chat. Yeah.

Sometimes in the virtual world. But it was really funny to me last time we played. So we played this game where it's like, I have a hard time with this word, almost like ultimate frisbee. And then also kind of like Enders game and Rocket League, like you're trying to score goals and you throw a disc to each other while you're floating. But Wes, you punched some glass really hard. And I haven't gotten an update on that yet.

So let's hear what happened. I punched the glass fixture of my light really hard and thought at first that I just shattered it. But then I took my hands up. Yeah. My finger is still sore. It didn't cut, but it like really hurt. Yeah. And it still hurts a little bit.

But I punched it real hard. We've all punched something already. Yeah. It's incredibly nerdy. I always think of like what I look like if someone were to walk in the room and see me. Whenever like I'm in a room with someone playing VR, like half to video. Yeah.

Because it's always just, I almost, for me, it's an unspoken rule, but we've talked about it a little bit. So I guess it's not unspoken. But usually when I play with friends, we say,

it's spoken. We say that you can't record and post things because you just look so dumb. That's a good rule. And you feel so vulnerable already that if you know people are recording you, anyway. I'm not going to accept that rule.

Well, Jesse doesn't accept it either. You know, it's a cool application. of VR, since we're an animal podcast. Yeah. One cool application I heard is veterinary, like, scientists and surgeons use VR to, like, practice surgical procedures on, like, cows and dogs and stuff. Yeah, I thought that was really interesting.

Yeah, that is interesting. I saw someone put VR on a cow and made it feel like it is at a grass field and it produced way more milk. Yeah, I heard of that too. It was such a weird setup for it, too. They had, like, multiple. Yeah. Other news, we also watched our Lord of the Rings annual marathon yesterday.

Uh-huh. Banged them out. We did it. It was the first time, I think, ever that me and Mike both managed to stay awake for all three. Jeff, you almost made it. Yeah, it dozed off a little. I always do. Return of the King.

It always puts me to sleep. Yeah. It was fun. I had a good time. Yeah, I would put it in the top half of Lord of the Rings marathons we've ever done. There's nothing quite like that first one. Yeah, we had some good first one. We asked everyone

Some good first ones? There's only one first one. There's only one first one. But there's first ones. I get what you're saying. Yeah, no, yeah. The cabin's cool. I was telling Mike because it just feels more immersive.

Yeah. You have a fire going next year. You're out in the woods. Definitely. We asked everyone to say which characters we were. Thanks for all the responses. We got a lot of gimley's for Mike. A lot of photos for me.

I feel really good about that. Yeah. I think we're all happy with it. And you're all happy with him. Frodo, right? A lot of Frodo's, a few Gandalfs and Aragorn, so I'm happy with all my. Wow. We all got a couple of golems. Yep. A few, I feel real, like, a lot of people said that you were one of the horses, like Bill the ponies. That's real low. I didn't even get Shadow Facts. I got Bill. You got a Shadow Facts. Okay.

You hate Shadow Fax more than Bill. I kind of do, because people treat him like he's some kind of, like, special horse, and he never does anything that interesting. He's just another horse. And doesn't get tired. I don't know about that. Anyway, yeah. So I think that is pretty much it. I went out this morning, I know, but I mean for news, I went out and caught some kestrels and hawks this morning with hawk watch.

That was fun. Cool. We banded two birds, a male kestrel, and likely a female redtail hawk. So that was fun. You can't determine. Is it hard to determine like a bird gender? With redtail hawks, it's hard. Oh, interesting.

Yeah, like you, there's some good guesses. Like, usually the females are a little bit bigger, and this hawk was a little bit on the heavier side, so that's, like, some good information that might be female. Kestrel's, it's really easy. Kestrel males are, like, a very distinct-looking bird as compared to the females. Black band on the... On the tail.

On the back of the... Oh, is there, okay. And they're, like, really orange, and they have the, like, kind of bluish patterns, too. That cool. Yeah. Anyway, should we do our news stories? Yeah. Yeah.

This is going to be a good one, I think. Okay. You want me to start us off? Yeah. We had a lot of submissions come in, so I'm excited to see what Jeff got here. You guys ought to sit down for this stuff. Here we go. Hold on.

So a Singapore resident was hospitalized by an animal attack from a gang of otters. And that happened in November 30th. They reportedly bid him 26 times in 10 seconds. Whoa. So, Wes, you seem not surprised? I read this article. Okay. But like that is a surprising thing.

It's very surprising. Sometimes when I know something that you say, I still act like I'm not surprised. Fair enough. Okay. Or that I am surprised. What constitutes a gang of, like, how big was this group? Like, they're hanging out of, like, they're hanging out of, like, they're hanging out. at the park late at night.

No, I mean, okay. Yeah. Up into trouble. Sure. They're biting people. It's like more organized crime or is it just like hooliganism? I mean, how many were there is what I was asking? There was like 20 of them.

Oh, really? So the person who, Spencer, who was attacked, said he actually thought he was going to die. They were going to kill him, he says. But then, so like basically what happened. is he was on a late night walk and 20 otters were crossing a dimly lit path in front of him. It's the first time he had seen otters in the area despite taking his morning walks there. So I guess, sorry, it was early morning, taking his morning walks there for five months. And as he saw them, a jogger just like ran right through them all.

and he like went through because he was like kind of already running without really getting attacked but like really aggravated him. Yeah. So then like they turned all their anger towards Spencer who was also like nearby and they went and hit him in the ankles and pushed him down and leaped on top of him and proceeded to bite his legs, shoes and buttocks. and then one of them got his finger. So, yeah, like I said, he has bitten 26 times in 10 seconds, which is just crazy. Yeah. And his friend was luckily with him. So he ran up and just started, like, screaming to scare him away.

And, like, got them to back away a little bit. So then he, like, picked his friend up and they walked to the visitor center and these otters were, like, following him there. But left him alone. luckily enough. And the visitor center, the employee wanted to call the ambulance, but I guess that the hospital was just right across the street. So he walked to the hospital, had to go back three times.

It ended up costing $1,200 in medical bills. He was struggling to sleep and sit down due to the bites on his butt. And that sucks. We've all been there. This was November 30th. So he was thinking he might have to cancel his Christmas trip. but he felt lucky to be alive and he credits his friend for saving his life. And then at the park, so Dr. Poyneauk, the group director, the facility, pretty much they are just telling people to stay away from Otters if they're with their young and like respect them, give them distance.

They put up a bunch of signs. Spencer kind of seemed to think it wasn't enough and thinks the otters are going to attack someone again. It's not an animal that you expect to be attacked by. Yeah, so that's what it said. It says experts said that the otter attacks are exceedingly rare, and Bernard Seya, a member of the tracking organization's Otter Watch, and the Otter Working Group said Spencer's attacks were a pack of smooth-coated otters called the Zouac family, which are reportedly the most human-tolerant otter family in Singapore.

and in their years of documenting otter behaviors, they've never heard of such an aggressive attack. Yeah, I was going to ask, so I know in Singapore there's two different species. There's smooth-coated otters and short-clod otters. And I think these smooth-coded ones are the ones that people see all the time. And there's a ton of them in Singapore, apparently, for otters. It's not like they're about feral hogs or something,

but there's quite a few. And yeah, they're supposedly, like I read a little bit about them, Like really docile, not typically going to attack people. Yeah, it's crazy. But then also, I know they have really complicated family structures, and they are really good at defending their young, like all otters. Maybe the jogger, like, nicked his baby or something. There was one more attack last year in May of a 77-year-old man,

but it sounded like it was just like one otter. One, like nipped at him or something. Yeah. Huh. But yeah, it sounded pretty crazy. Yeah, I don't. I know I laughed at the image of like a bunch of otter pushing. It's a little funny.

It's, but it's also terrifying. I don't know. Otters are just looked at as like a really cute little animal that everyone loves. It seems like for the most part they are, but it's sad to know that sometimes sometimes they aren't. I actually, I saw that story and that was one I was circling to maybe do, at some point we're going to do a full-length otter episode. So we're going to. So we might, no, we might revisit it at some point. along with some other otter stories.

It's a good one. Yeah. Should we stick with cute animals? And I'll do one really quick. Yeah. Cute little animals that you wouldn't expect to attack you. Well, I don't know. This one some people might expect.

But it's a raccoon attack. Oh, baby. So this one happened. I think this one actually probably technically happened right around when we recorded our last news episode. But I spaced it and I really wanted to include it. It happened in early December. I believe December 1st.

And it happened to this woman, Donna San Gniorio. She's 70 years old. She lives in Lancaster, Massachusetts. She's out in her yard. She's hanging up her Christmas lights. And she hears strange noises coming from the street. And she turns around and she sees a large raccoon and it's 10 feet away. And she says like...

How big is a large raccoon? So she guessed it was like 40 pounds, which is a really big raccoon. Yeah, he's eating some trash. Yeah. This is like a large. an urban raccoon, getting fat on people's trash. Obviously not very afraid of people. And she said before she could do anything, it jumped at her.

It was only 10 feet away. And she says it was the worst nightmare of her life. And she had this like tussle with this animal. And they're both screaming like the raccoon screaming, she's screaming. They're rolling around. At one point it fell off her arm. It was scratching and biting at her arm. At one point it fell off and then it jumped back on.

And it like wouldn't leave her alone. So she finally puts it in a headlock, like a submission move. Nice. Drops to the ground and just smushes it. That's got a suplex. Suplex? Yeah. But she's just holding it and like smushed it on the ground.

And it's still biting her. And she said she could hear bones breaking in its neck as she's just like trying to crush this raccoon and putting in the submission. I am legend, Will Smith. I don't remember. Oh, man. We're going to get killed for spoilers again. Oh, no. Anyway, so they're in this like standoff stalemate for a while with her completely choking it out and it biting her.

And finally she lets it go and it just walks away. But she was pretty ripped up. I saw a lot of photos of her injuries. None of them looked that substantial, but she had a lot. Like it looked like she had like gotten road rash. Like she had like fallen on some asphalt and her arms got all like scraped up. Just lots of little scratches and bites. And she obviously had to go get tested for, or not tested, she had to go get a rexene or rabies vaccine.

Raxine, that's good. The old recine for raccoons. But they actually, they never caught the raccoon. No one could find it. So they couldn't test the raccoon. No. It was just popping its back. Yeah, I think she's just popping it.

Yeah, the raccoon is probably like, thank you. Now it's going to attack someone. Right. Once its back gets thrown out again. Whenever it needs an adjustment. Yeah. Enjoy more ways to save at Ralph's, like low prices in every aisle. And when you download the Ralph's app, you can clip and save more with digital coupons every week.

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They couldn't find it. So because of that, she had to get her full suite of rabies shots, which is very expensive and probably not very fun. But yeah, that's that story. So raccoons are also very cute, but also an animal that can just bite the shit out of you if you're not careful. So be careful. And if you ever, here's like a little bit of information about raccoons. They are like they're not, they don't commonly have rabies like you would expect in like bats or some of these other. animals that commonly have rabies, but they can have it, and it's especially more common on the

East Coast. So if you ever are being approached by a raccoon, or if there's a raccoon that you see that's acting not like typical raccoon behavior where they're just going to run away from you, you definitely want to get out of there. You don't want to mess with it. You don't want to try and feed it or take photos of it or whatever, because there is the chance that it's rabid. And if it is rabid, worst case, you die. Best case, you get bit and you're going to have to like get all these really expensive, terrible shots. So just leave them alone. Don't mess around with them.

They're an interesting little animal that's figured out a way to coexist with humans for the most part. So every once in a while there are going to be some problems. How do you feel about the name? Trash Pandas. I like it. I think it's a cute name. Yeah. Yeah.

I like Raccoons. I'm a big raccoon fan. We're definitely going to do a Raccoon episode at some point. And we'll really dive into their biology then. But for now, that's my advice. Just give them some space. They're not. They can be really aggressive.

So they look really cute, but you don't want to go out and pick up a raccoon. Yeah. And if you do arm lock, suplex. Yeah. Yeah, it worked. It cracks its back. Raccoons have a top 10 tail in the animal kingdom, I say. I agree with that.

We'll have to maybe do an episode on that for patrons. I just think markings in general. Tales. Tails. Yeah, beaver tail, raccoon tail. We got to remember that. So you guys ready for the third cute animal in a row? Yeah.

I have a story about a squirrel. And this squirrel, BBC reported this article was, I think, published at the very end of December last year. So fairly recent. And this happened in Wales in Buckley, Flintshire. Ah, yes. They said Northeast Wales, and I have no reason to doubt BBC. I don't know why I qualify things like that. I don't either.

So the headline reads the squirrel attacked upwards of 18 people. Well, that's really just the tip of the iceberg here. That's pretty impressive for a squirrel. Yeah. And there's a little bit of, there's some intrigue here. So a 65-year-old animal lover. You should be. But it gets better.

Just listen. Or keep talking. It doesn't have a matter. What we do on podcasts? She's one little, you can keep going. 65-year-old animal lover, Corinne. I'm going to say Corinne Reynolds had been getting regular visits for several months by a little raccoon. A little squirrel she named Buddy.

So she was calling this little squirrel buddy. And she kind of considered her home or her yard a little bit of a refuge for injured animals. She'd often taken injured birds and just kind of nurse them back to health and release them. I don't know if that's a smart idea. Wes, maybe you can comment on that. It's not. Generally, you got to leave that sort of thing up to the professionals because people that do it generally make some pretty big mistakes that when they end up

releasing an animal, they release it with problems or it's malnourished or whatever. It's bad for the animals. Don't do that on your own. Sure. Yeah. Anyway, so Corinne, she started seeing some news stories pop up and some posts on social media about the squirrel that was attacking, you know, random citizens of the town. One lady was taking a recycling out and she just got accosted by the squirrel in her driveway.

Jeez. Do you know what species of squirrel it is? It probably said. Okay. It was gray in the picture. It's probably a gray squirrel then. Okay. They have red and gray squirrels over there.

One lady posted on social media that she had to get like a tetanus jab, they called it, which is probably smart. Tetnis or rabies? It said tetanus shot. Huh. That's what it said. Yeah, I read that on some of mine, too. Yeah. There are some animals when you give.

bit you need a tetanus shot. Interesting. Yeah. I'm not, that's one thing I'm really not sure about. I don't know why, but I know our raccoon victim also had to get tetanist shots along with rabies. So a good detail of this story. Up until this point, Corinne had been calling the squirrel buddy. But once she knew that he was getting up to no good.

She knew as this squirrel? Yeah. I don't know how, but she renamed him Stripe after the bad gremlin in the first gremlin's movie. Oh, that's a good name. And it made me think, well, of course, not only of gremlins, but it reminded me, I don't know why I thought about Hawk from Cobra Kai. Yeah. Because, like, what was his, his name was Eli?

Yeah, well, Stripe had a Mohawk, and then he flips the page. Yeah. So. Flips the script, that's what it was good. Right. Flips the script, becomes like a bad guy and then, like, gets a bad guy nickname. Yeah. And I just thought that was so funny for a squirrel.

But eventually, Corinne knew that things were kind of coming to a head. And she knew that of anybody in the town, she was best equipped to trap the squirrel since it still kind of trusted her and was coming back to her place pretty regularly. So she said a small trap. I don't know exactly what it was. That's all the details I got. But after about 20 minutes of waiting, it just fell right into the trap. And she said, quote, I felt he did trust me and I betrayed him. Which is like I can understand how that would feel like this animal you've been hanging out with for almost a year at this point.

think it started in March all the way up until December. Yeah. Totally just trusted her and kind of used her place as a safe house. And, I don't know. That's kind of sad. That squirrel's going to like, it's going to be like a Cape Fear situation where it's going to go to squirrel prison and just work out really hard and just obsess over getting back at, what's her name again?

Corinne. Oh, Korean. Yeah, that might be the case if it didn't get euthanized. Oh, okay. So there's no chance. It's kids. They're going to do that. Right.

So the RSP. C.A. took Stripe in and after examining it, determined that it should be put down, which I guess, I don't know, is that the right move? Do you think? Yeah, especially if it's a gray squirrel, they're invasive over there and like they're not, there's no real reason to keep it alive if it's attacking people. So I bet that's what it was. I bet it was a gray squirrel and for sure they're going to euthanize it. Cool. Yeah. Well, at least he went out in a blaze of glory. Yeah, cool. We really got to stop just saying cool. Um, a sad little story for, for, Buddy or Stripe Whatever you want to However you want to remember him Is that why you were asking me about Like people turning bad in the middle? Oh, that's why you thought of Hawk

I mean Wes West He came up with a I was thinking more Lando Turning Han in to Darth Vader In Cloud City That's a good one Spoilers dude What's the statute of limitations here?

I'm just kidding And that's it That's all I got That's a good one The end of Stripe's story Some people sent us that like headline and I remember thinking well 18 people that's insane that story was submitted by our patron Adam did uh so wait I maybe I didn't catch this what was what was like the worst

attack that it did to someone that's a good question it just bites it seems like chase them or what it seemed like the lady who that was just taking a recycling out got pretty let's again remember that we're talking about the UK here where like squirrels and red fox are about the scariest thing they've got. The fox are like a grizzly bear there? Yeah, so. Yeah, terrifying. All right.

I'll go again. Okay. So I don't have anything for coyotes be whiling this episode. All right. But I'm going to do some monkey in a round. All right. So two Langer monkeys in India have reportedly killed 250 dogs this month in January. Really?

Just this 250 dogs? Yeah. That's insane. That's what I thought. And I went and like sometimes you read the headline like that and then you read the article and it's like, oh, okay, so that's not really true. This one's true. It's pretty accurate. So it's in La Vu village like 300 miles east of Mumba.

So I don't know where either of those places. Mumbai. Yeah. I don't know where that helps anyone. Mumbai is a full. A lot of people be helped by that. Mumba. If it's Mumba, no one knows.

So what they're mainly doing is dragging dogs up to the tops of buildings and trees and then dropping them to their deaths. What's the hell. Yeah. And it's primarily puppies, but it's been other dogs. No, come on. A few, like, people have been injured trying to catch the dogs, and it's just, like, gotten crazy. So this, this isn't. confirmed, but the villagers told the news there that the killing started about a month ago

when a few dogs killed an infant monkey. Oh, so the dogs struck first. Yeah, so the dogs killed a baby monkey. Okay. And these monkeys are just dropping them off buildings, and they're, like, taking puppies up into trees and just leaving them there where they, like, can't get food or anything. Yeah. Don't mess with Langer monkeys, I guess.

Yep, so that's monkey in a rat. Wes, you sell Langer socks. I sell a golden langer. This is a different type of langer. So in India, if you're ever in India, there's two types of monkeys that you're going to see really commonly. One is a macaque species. I think it's just like a common macaque. I'm probably saying that wrong, but macaque or macaque.

People say a different ways. In Boston, they say macaque. Macac. Macac is like what most people say. And then there's also gray langers, which are really common. They're a really cool looking monkey. They're ones you see in, like, a lot of the more jungly areas. There's even, like, I think it's in Jaipur, India.

There's a temple that's totally dedicated to langers, and they're just, like, all over the place and people, like, give them little offerings and stuff. And it's neat, because when I was in India, it was, like, really cool to see people and monkeys coexisting in, like, an urban environment. Yeah. Like I remember I was just casually like walking down the street and I saw this lady who had like a little corner store and she just like grabbed a banana and held it up and this monkey came across the roof and grabbed it and then like walked away. And it was like I could tell just by the way she did it that it was like at that time of day she had to give this monkey a banana. Yeah.

And it just knew when to go there or it might have like yeah grabbed her puppy and thrown it off a bridge or something. Do you think the fact that these monkeys have like an anchor man? Yeah The fact that these monkeys have shrines and stuff empowers them They're like enabled to just like do whatever they want I don't think so We're holy figures around these parts We can just they got some confidence out there

Throw dogs off buildings Yeah and I to be honest like I don't know a ton about lingers But I do know there's a few different species They're very commonly seen in India And now I know that they will they see Revenge. Yeah, they don't mess with their babies. It gets dark.

They look cool. And the picture, like, the type of monkey just look cool. Yeah. We should, you know, just like a headline coyotes B. Y line, a girl was attacked in Texas like this week by a coyote. A nine-year-old girl was bitten in Texas. Oh, yeah. Thanks for getting one in there.

Yeah, there we go. All right. So my next one is kind of a bittersweet story. I wanted to talk briefly about. Magawa who is one of the best mine-sniffing rats to ever sniff mines and there's a know there was a scale yeah there's a sad reason we're gonna talk about Magawa but Magawa actually retired last year he was like he got a gold medal for heroism he's an African giant pouched rat and they're the rat that they typically

use to train to sniff out mines because they are really easily trainable. They're big rats. They're like much bigger than your typical rat, but they aren't big enough to trigger a mine. Do you think mine sniffing rats typically make it to retirement? I think, I think they do a pretty good job. I don't think they set off mine, so I don't think it's common. They're not heavy enough like you're saying.

Yeah. Okay. But one of these rats can search the field the size of a tennis court in 20 minutes. And I guess for someone with a metal detector, it would take them like a whole day to do that to find a mine. A tennis court? Yeah, I know. That's what this article said. It seems like they could clear it quicker with the metal detector.

But apparently these rats are much faster than humans. And it doesn't put human lives at risk when you're out there searching for mines. What if you just had like a tennis court sized metal detector? That's true. That would work really well. I just find it immediately. That's a good point. It'd be hard to hold, but.

So he was awarded this gold medal in 2020, which is like a, it's like a PDSA gold medal. I don't know what that acronym stands for, but apparently it usually only goes to like dogs and heroic animals, but they gave one of this rat because he had such an impressive career. Over his career, he found over a hundred mines. He worked primarily in Cambodia, and Cambodia has one of the highest amputee rates in the world because people are constantly bumping into mines that were placed there a long time ago. I guess I was looking up on landmines, and like anywhere from six to eight thousand people, die every year from from hitting landmines. That would just terribly be a different way to live if there's mines all over where you're walking.

Totally. And like I'm not sure if these mines were all like Khmer Rouge kind of times. I think they were. Probably. Yeah. But in Cambodia, it's a big problem. And so this rat really did an amazing job. He cleared a lot of mines.

He got a gold medal. He got a gold medal. The reason I'm bringing him up is sadly he passed away. So this was in early January. It wasn't. from drugs. It wasn't an overdose. Apparently, they just said this, this nonprofit that had retired him said that he was in good health, but he started to slow down. He was napping more, showing less interest in food, and then he finally passed away. The group that raised him and trained him is called

Apopo. It stands for antipersonnel landmines removal product development. And they are kind of the premier trainers of rats to find landmines. So Godspeed, Magawa, we're going to miss you, bud. Thanks for clearing all those minds. Thanks for your service. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah.

Have you guys seen the documentary of the killing fields? I have. Yes. It's a hard one. It's a tough one. But it deals a lot with like the Camer Rouge and the Cambodian conflict and stuff. Yeah. Like it was a genocide.

I mean, conflict is not, maybe not the appropriate word. But yeah. Yeah. Let's do a five second moment of silence from Magawa. Yeah. Okay. All right. Pee will guy.

All right. Thanks, buddy. rest in peace. Yeah. You said this place was steps from the water. We just haven't found the steps yet. How much did we save? Enough.

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It matters where you see. Day. Hilton for this day. Mike, you got another one? Yeah, so I, this is another patron submitted story. Cassie sent this one in to us. And it's from, so the article that I'm pulling most of this information from was Field and Stream.com. Okay, so we got a Florida woman story.

Oh, baby. And you know how that goes usually. This one, I don't want to be too, like, humorous right off the bat. Nothing terrible happens, but it is a barren counter, which are, it's a serious matter. So this woman by the name of 80, I-D-B-I-D-E-E-A-Y-D-E-E. A-Y, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, Florida woman will just refer to her.

Okay. So she was out on a walk with her dog, and right as she was getting home, she stepped foot into her driveway when she noticed a bear, you know, not too far away from her, and understandably started kind of freaking out. So her instant reaction was to let go of her dog,

and she started running away. And as a fan of the Tooth and Claw podcast myself, I know that's probably, I know that is definitely not how you're supposed to react. No. So maybe 80 you should be listening. So she started running towards her neighbors, trying to get someone to call the police or whoever, help her in any kind of manner.

So what? So I'm trying to figure out how to like exactly talk about this next part because it says in the story that she was slant. to the ground by the bear. Okay. That's fine. It always makes me kind of laugh when you, like, those kinds of details are worded in that way because it makes it sound like this bear just suplexed her on the lawn.

Right. You just think W. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like a body checkter. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm not doubting that. Maybe that's the best word for it. Okay. Yeah. We don't know exactly how it happened. We just know that she got all kinds of lacerations. Maybe it was concussed. All those details weren't quite released.

But the fallout of this was Once the bear determined that she was no longer a threat The bear took off with her three cubs and climbed a tree And it says that from that point forward All the neighbors congregated around the area And they put a spotlight on the bear in the tree Which I don't know is that like a normal thing that like to keep bears there Are they like afraid of light?

I don't know if they're necessarily like keeping it there They probably just wanted to keep eyes on it until like Until whoever was responding. could respond. So the responders were a sheriff's deputy and the EMS. They got there pretty quick, treated 80 for any injuries that she might have sustained that were like serious. And then they took the bear into, once again, get examined, kind of like buddy the squirrel and euthanized. Yeah. Which I guess for the Florida, what is it? The FWC, they call it, Florida Conservation Commission, the protocol for this kind of encounter is to put the bear down.

It seems like a pretty tepid attack as far as bear attacks go, especially like a mother defending its cubs is what it seems like. Yeah. But to give a little insight on that one, like black bears aren't famous for protecting cubs. So typically a black bear will just trust its cubs to go up a tree and the mom will also run off. And like, again, this one obviously was doing that so it's not unheard of, but it's not typical behavior for them. It does sound like maybe this was a really close surprising count.

her and she kind of forced the bear to make a quick decision, which was run at her and knock her down. Never run away. No, never run away. And so this isn't typical behavior for a black bear. And I do see why they made that decision. Also, black bears are pretty abundant in Florida and throughout their range. Yeah. We talked to the other week, there's 800,000 black bears in North America, which is far more than any other bear species.

So it's not an animal that you have to be really careful about reducing population size. And a big reason these decisions are made to euthanize is because these agencies force or they face a lot of liability if they leave an animal like that out there. So if they decide, okay, we're not going to euthanize this bear, we're going to release it back. And then it goes and malls someone else. Then those people have pretty good grounds to sue and to actually win. say like this bear already attacked someone, why didn't you do something? Yeah, there's a documented history. And so they, with like how litigious the United States is and tort law and all these terrible

things, like, it's bad for wildlife that might be more of a liability. The article did go on to say that since the 1970s, the black bear population in Florida has grown from 300 to over 4,000. Yeah. So it seems like you were saying, like conservation of black bears isn't like a huge priority anymore. It's not. And like, this is something that would be treated probably very differently if she was like in the Everglades hiking around and she got attacked by a bear because that's a place that we've kind of reserved for bears and she's surprised one with

cubs or whatever. But it was in a like suburban neighborhood. So I'm not saying I think they definitely made the right decision. I'm saying that I understand the basis behind that decision. And yeah, and it doesn't seem like really typical black bear behavior. But a quick thing that I wanted to mention is I think most people that live in black bear country, you know, when winter rolls around, you kind of think, oh, I'm good because they're all sleeping. There are places in the U.S. where they don't hibernate. So especially like if she has cubs like that, she's going to be out looking for food. So Florida is one of those places. In general, unless it's a pregnant female, they're not going to hibernate in Florida.

So if you're in Florida, you still in the winter have to be careful about black bears. Someone just sent us another video of a guy who a lot of people sent us this one And I think a lot of us saw this guy who was like he had like an open porch kind of and he had a bunch of little dogs running around in there And all of a sudden a bear breaks in and grabs one of them and then the guy engages the bear and they kind of tussle back and forth And then the bear finally lets the dog and the guy go and he got he got some bad lacerations too But his dog survived bear survived but it's kind of a crazy it's a crazy video I wasn't worried about the bear surviving no No. I mean, I don't think they hunted that bear down and killed it.

I'm not sure about that. But another interesting Florida bear encounter. So, you know, no matter where you live, if you're in bear country, make sure that you're prepared to encounter a bear. And it could even be in the suburbs. I guess I should include that. So, 80 survived. Yeah. Dog survived.

Bear didn't survive. The orphaned bears were just let go. They were deemed to be old enough to take care of themselves. and yeah how old are bear cubs how old do they have to be those those cubs would have been born in like probably January or February and so they're almost a year old and they can survive yeah they'll probably be fine I would say they probably have about a 50-50 chance which is pretty typical for any cup so they should be okay but it's about the time they leave right they probably would have their mom and left in the well they wouldn't den because they're in flor

But they would have gotten kicked out probably this spring. Yeah. Ooh, I forgot. We need to do our Florida man headlines. Okay. Maybe to, yeah, end this on a happier note. So you wanted to introduce. Yeah, sure.

So just in commemoration of all the crazy folk down in Florida, getting attacked by bears and stuff, we just wanted to go over our, I don't know how you would refer to them, but the Florida man headlines that occurred on our birthdays. Yeah. So, Jeff. It's kind of like a thing, just like, if you want to play along, just type in Florida Man and then your birthday. Like, not the year, just your birthday. So my birthday is February 28th.

My Florida Man is Florida Man who allegedly threatened family with cold play lyrics and standoff after SWAT promises him pizza. It's a good one. A lot of moving parts there. All right, mine was Florida Man with no arms. charged with stabbing Chicago tourist. Wow. And that's July 13th. Oh, we should be talking about that.

Yeah, I read through it and it's exactly what it was. He stabbed him with a knife in his feet. In his feet? I was going to guess mouth, but... Wow. He was laying on the ground, and a guy approached him, and he stabbed him with a knife. Okay. Yeah.

Mine's September 22nd. Florida man rides manity, dares police to arrest him, gets arrested. Nice. Good. There you go. That's pretty cool. Good job, Florida. I wonder how the manate he felt.

Probably is, like, kind of happy. I think he was happy the guy got arrested. Probably hated being rid. For sure, hated that. I thought it was funny, just going back to my Langer Monkeys, when Mike was saying he likes it when monkeys ride dogs. Yeah, do you like that. Yeah.

Yeah, I wish they would ride the dogs. I like it much better when they're riding them than throwing them off of trees and stuff. Yeah. Do we have any more stories? I do. All right. Oh, the big one. So this is another Florida story.

And this is one that happened in late December. It's one that a lot of people sent us. It's one that I think was a very emotional topic for a lot of people. And I'll just get into it. And then we can talk about it a little bit. Yeah. So this happened in the Naples Zoo, which is in Naples, Florida. And on December 29th, after it closed, this cleaning group came in to clean, like, they

clean like the public spaces of the zoo. They're not hired to clean animal enclosures. they're hired to clean like bathrooms and eateries and that sort of thing. Yeah. So this cleaning group came in and River Rosenquist, who's 26, was a member of this cleaning party. And as he was in the zoo, he decided to jump a barrier. And he stuck his arm through the cages of the Malayan tiger exhibit.

And it's unclear whether or not he's trying to feed the tiger or pet it. But whatever he's trying to do, it didn't work. The tiger, well, I guess it maybe did work if he was trying to touch it. The tiger grabbed his arm, pulled him through the, his arm through the gate, and just completely shredded it. So there's, there's, like, body cam footage of this one. I watched it. I did too. It's gnarly.

It is. We've talked about before in the podcast that we've seen some pretty crazy videos. This one was hard for me to watch. Like, I had a really hard time watching it because not only do you see this guy's arm just being completely shredded and you see the bone and, like, all this flesh being flayed off of it. But also what ended up happening is that a deputy. responded, a sheriff deputy responded to the scene. And they initially, it says they initially tried to get the tiger to release the arm. And when that didn't work, they had to shoot this tiger.

And that's also on this body cam footage. Yeah. They shot it in the shoulder. And they did try to get it to let go. Yeah, we're going to talk about that a little bit. We're going to, it shot it through the shoulder. I think they did. Don't get me wrong.

Shot it through the shoulder. Yeah. And then. You're not very convincing. Well, we're going to talk about it. Bullet lodged beneath the heart and the tiger died from internal bleeding. They pulled the guy away. He's still being, he's still recovering.

His arm was completely. He's just been like screaming the whole time. Yeah. The whole time he's screaming, help me. I'm going to die. Shoot it. It's going to kill me. Shoot it, shoot it.

Yeah. Again, the video's out there if you want to watch it. It's incredibly graphic. So I'm warning you, it's a hard one to watch. Because not only do you see this terrible injury on a human, you see a really beautiful animal being killed. This is a Malayan tiger. There's around 200 of them in the wild. They're one of the rarest tiger subspecies.

They live in the southern tip of Thailand And then a little bit through that part of Malaysia That's on the Malayan peninsula They're very closely related to the Indo-Chinese tiger They're slightly smaller than Bengal tigers So Bengal tigers are the ones that live in India That are like the most famous tigers And then Amur tigers we've talked about

Which are like Siberian tigers Yeah, Bengals are called the Super Bowl These ones are a little smaller They're incredibly rare They mostly live in like rainforests and whatnot So they hunt deer sun bears, a lot of other really interesting prey items. And again, they're critically endangered.

So it's really sad to see one die, even if it is a captive one. There's a lot of emotions surrounding this one. So a lot of, there's like a whole change.org petition with like 100,000 people that have signed it demanding that they throw the book at this guy, press charges. The zoo set up a conservation foundation in the tiger's name. The tiger's name was Eco or Elko. It's E.K.O. I think it's Eco. They set up a foundation in his name and hoping to, like, raise a bunch of money in order to help Malayan Tigers in the wild.

I wanted to talk about it a little bit because I really bounced back and forth on this one. I agree with this idea of, like, pressing charges in that it does set a precedent and it makes people think twice. And like, it's not like this guy fully jumped in the enclosure with the animal, but he got too close to it. And he paid the price. Yeah. And on one hand, I'm like, oh, he got his arm pretty much torn off. What is more convincing to stop people from doing that than like knowing that he almost got his arm ripped off by a tiger? And then on the other hand, I'm like, no, they should press charges.

They should. I wonder if he got it amputated. Did you look at it? I couldn't find any more information about it. The zoo, like, had a statement, and the president of the zoo said, we're hoping he has a speedy recovery. We're not even thinking about pressing charges right now. But there are other people that could press charges.

And so I don't know. Like I kind of wanted to open this one up for discussion, even though that's a little tricky. The one thing, I want to talk about the cop thing really quick, the deputy sheriff. I watched the video and the guy is screaming, shoot it, shoot it. And it is like, if you're a deputy sheriff,

you're not trained to like make decisions based on Malayan Tiger Mullings. So I don't think the guy did the wrong thing at all. Shooting it was the right move. I do think there's other things that could have worked. I think had he tased it or pepper sprayed it or something, I think the tiger probably would have let go of this guy's arm. Not for sure, though. And like the guy's screaming shoot it.

And I'm not passing judgment and saying he made the wrong decision, but I would have been really interested to see if a taser would have worked. From the video, he approaches it and there is like people there. already too and like he takes about like 15 20 seconds figuring out if there's anything to do before he shoots it yeah like he doesn't it's not like he just walks up and shoots it you know yeah it wasn't immediate he does like kind of consider options and but like the tiger's really latched off i feel like it was like 10 seconds but it says in some of the articles i read that they're poking it and trying to get him really release the arm and he wouldn't yeah my other argument though

there about maybe trying pepper spray or taser or something is that it's not like it had this guy by the neck or like his face or something his arm was already shredded i don't think it was like we need to make this decision right now or this guy's going to die kind of decision so that's why i wonder if they could have tried some of those other things first yeah i think it influenced the cop too that the guy was just bleeding and shooting shoot it you know screaming shoot it yeah i I agree. I agree with you too. Like maybe use your taser.

Maybe try something. Try your mace. I think the mace might have been the best thing to try. Yeah. And something else I wanted to bring up is, you know, this isn't a wild Malayan tiger. Because if you lose one in the wild, you're losing 0.5%, you know, of tigers that are left in the population. It's like a true tragedy. This is a captive one.

But this was like the main draw of this zoo. and a big part of what zoos do is they use these animals as ambassadors. And so if you have a Malayan tiger and someone comes to the zoo and they're like inspired by this tiger, they might donate money. And their admission to the zoo goes towards these animals conservation in a wild too. So this was a big draw for the zoo and it's a really big loss for them. It's a really big loss for captive Malayan tigers. So it's really tragic.

And we had people reach out that have worked with this tiger who said, you know, it's really sad that this happened. A lot of people that I know that are biologists that knew this tiger I posted about it and said, you know, it was a really special tiger. But yeah, I don't know. What do you guys think? Do you guys think that they should press charges? I don't know.

I don't know. It just, it happens sometimes. Like, people are stupid, but like, I don't know. Yeah. You can't completely litigate stupidity out of, like, human behavior. People that are willing to do this sort of thing are going to do it no matter what. Right. But I also do think that a lawsuit,

also Azou's way of showing that this is like serious business. This isn't like, it's not that they're letting it slide, but that they take the safety of patrons seriously. Totally. And I don't know. And Jeff brought up another thing that made me think of one other thing that the police could have done. If you're a policeman or a law enforcement person listening to you ever have to respond to something like this, maybe try firing a shot like next to it or something or up in the air.

I don't know if up in the air is safe. but like at the ground or something because that might be loud enough to scare it. And that's like part of the thing. Like people wouldn't be as upset if the tiger didn't die. And like they probably could have got the tiger let go without killing it. So like can you completely blame this person for the tiger being dead? Yeah, it's tricky.

And I just don't know. And I think I agree with, I think we're all kind of on the same page with this one. Just that like this is a 26 year old. kid, you know, and like it's dumb to stick your hand in a tiger enclosure and he paid the price for it. Yeah. Probably never going to, if his arm isn't amputated, he probably won't stick his other arm in a tiger.

No, probably not, unless he wants him to match. But I also kind of agree with some legal action because a really rare, really important tiger to a lot of people died because of this because like he couldn't keep his arm out of a cage, you know and that is stupid and it's not something you should do and so i don't know i'm split but i do think i lean toward them doing something like a fine or ban him for a week probably something more than that but yeah anyways it's a sad one and and thanks everyone for sending us that one and reaching out and again if you want to if you want to watch the body cam footage i watched it so i'm not going to say don't watch it it's out there on the internet just

google naples you don't need like promote it that Yeah, well, I'm not, but like, I'm not going to talk about it and not tell them how to find it. But it's out there and it's, it is, I do really want to warn you, it's a hard one. Like, I thought about it for a long time afterward. So, rough McGraths. Crack a Cayman Jack margarita and taste your escape. It's America's number one for a reason. Camin Jack is a premium malt beverage with flavors.

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Yeah. Yeah. Echo. Yeah, five seconds of silence for Echo. Well, we think it's Eco, right? I think it's Echo, actually. E.K.O. Do you see the, do you guys watch that League of Legends show?

No. Is it good? Yeah, there's a character named. It's spelled E.K.O. And they pronounce it Echo. All right. Well, let's say Echo. Arcane.

Arcane. Great show. Are we going to do five seconds or not? Oh, yeah. Let's do it. Another five seconds. Yeah, five, go. God bless you.

All right. I hope you're up there chasing Sandbar deer and just living your best life in Tiger Heaven. All right. So that's it for stories. That's not it for stories. There's a million other stories. But we wanted to, I think with these news episodes, we wanted to condense it a little bit and really talk about the ones that really grabbed us. And those are the ones that did this month.

So thanks everyone for sending them. Please continue to do so. We really appreciate it. Yeah. So we're going to do some questions. Yeah, we're going to do some questions. All right. Okay, so this is from, we're starting off Patreon.

Patreon. That's a new. Wow, I got to write that one down. So this is from Erica, and I like this one. So she teaches high school, and she says that this always causes a huge argument when she poses it to her students. would you rather be able to speak and understand all human languages with perfect fluency or be able to understand all animal communication as if it were English,

but you are the only one who can do so. So you understand every language in the human, like every human language, or you understand animals like they're speaking English to you. If that extends to dead languages, I might actually pick that one. But if not, I'm going animals. I think I'm going to surprise you with this one and say human languages. I don't really want to know what animals are thinking. Well, I just figure, like, we're just sitting here and I'm hearing a bird say, like, I want sex.

I want sex. I want sex. Come, have sex with me. Carl! Because they're mate, like, that's what a lot of animals' noises are, just mating calls. Or, like, yeah, or just, like, warning other animals that they're there. Animal communication isn't quite complex enough to be that interesting. It really depends on the animal.

Like, I think with, like, dogs or dolphins or whales or a lot of these, like, monkeys, you would hear some, like, really interesting. Like, if I'm holding a tennis ball and a dog barks at me, I don't need to understand that he's saying, I want that tennis ball. Right, but, like, there are times where, like, with my dog, Bryce, I can tell she's sad, and I would love to know why. Like, I would love to know if it's, like, exactly what's going on. your brain. But then at the same time, I wouldn't want to have that ability all the time. I would like that if I could every once in a while maybe tap into it. But I don't know.

Like hearing what animals are thinking doesn't really appeal to me. If you could like talk to them and like they have to obey your commands, that would be what I would want. So you're allowed to communicate with them too or no? I think you just understand them like it's English. Yeah. I want to know. I think humans.

Me too. You guys ever watch Dr. Doolittle? I have. Wild thornberries. Yeah. She just talks. Those animals are sweet. They're talking about all kinds of cool stuff.

Yeah. Okay. We're going to give this name a shot here. So from Merca Do Diddy 77. That was a shot? Patreon here. I'd rather hear from you guys than Google, what good do mosquitoes do?

So they're fed up with me. mosquitoes. Yeah. And they just want to know why they even exist. I, so I don't have a great answer. My answer that I always use for people with that one is just that they provide a food source for a ton of animals that people really love. So there's a lot of animals out there that eat mosquitoes that people really like.

As far as what they do outside of that, I'm sure they have other usefulness, but I don't know what. Like frogs and fish. Yeah, like frogs, fish, bats, birds. There's all sorts of really cool animals that eat mosquitoes that they're a big part of their diet. So that's a really great thing they do is provide. Yeah, I've probably eaten some mosquitoes. I don't know.

I shouldn't, I don't want to speak out of place and say that I know more than that. But that's the main thing that I can think of off the bat. Okay. Yeah. I'd have to research a little bit more to see what else they're good for. All right. And then from Instagram. Lizzie Laura wants to know

If you were being hounded by paparazzi What animal would you choose as your bodyguard? Guerrilla A gorilla? Yeah, they'd be able to go with me Really wherever If they need to go into like You could get into a restaurant pretty easily

If you're a gorilla Yeah Like put on a trench coat and a hat I feel like if you were to have a cartoon with animals That makes sense It would like a bodyguard would almost always be played by a gorilla I like gorilla Either a gorilla or like a big grizzly bear

Those are the two that I would pick Yeah I would choose maybe yeah Like a I was thinking bear Maybe I'll go elephant I'd want something Yeah put its trunk in front of my face So they're like they can't get pictures

You're gonna have a hard time bringing your elephant Into like a club or something Yeah I mean but when the ones I can I'm gonna be like Filling the entire club The coolest person there Like who's the guy at the elephant

And you'd have like a literal elephant in the room That'd be the source of so many hilarious jokes Yeah like let's address the elephant in the room Yeah And then we just say it's like hi Okay Great questions so far Okay from Prokiesmore

What's the best tree you all have climbed Oh A big old ponderosa In Montana What about that one you climbed with a bear in it? Fell out of it. Yeah, that's not my best one. Not my best work.

Fell out of it, broke my ankle, and to wait for a long time to get help. Yeah, for me, it's Ponderosa. What about you guys? I don't know. I just really liked the one in the house where we grew up. You built a rope swing in it. That's a good pick. Yeah.

It was an oak. Oak tree. Mike? There's a huge tree. I don't know exactly what kind of. It was, but it was right outside of a window of where I used to go to church. And me and my friend for like a year, we'd climb up to the, we'd escape out the window and climb to the very top of the tree and sit there for like two hours so we didn't have

to go to church. Actually, I think ours were elm trees, Jeff, not oak. It's really sappy, though. Sappy trees aren't super fun to climb. Yeah. Sam did right. I think you're right. All right.

And then from Larry Menards. Is it true that bears can eat up to 40,000 moths a day? I don't know the exact number, but there's this specific species of moth. They're called the Army Cutworm Moth. And they live under rocks in these certain places and like where I know of in the northern Rockies. And bears will go up on these rock slides and they'll just flip rocks and just eat moths all day. So I'm not, I think that's probably accurate. 40,000 is probably about right.

They truly just all day are eating moths and they'll eat just tons of them. So, yeah. And that's grizzly bears to do that. That's crazy. Yeah. It's a huge source of food for them. Like, during that part of the year when those moths are under those rocks, a ton of bears will go to those spots and congregate and just eat moths all day long. How many moths were you eaten back when you were a little a day?

Not that many. Maybe one a day. All right. And then this one was just kind of a fun little thing that someone sent us that I'm going to read. Okay. Okay. So it's, this one's hard. All right.

Cephalor hoard. You want to show it to me? Yeah. Cephylorod. Cephalarhod. Cephalarhod. Yeah. Okay.

So they saw this and just sent it and wanted us to answer. Okay. But pretty much there's nine choices of like bad things that could happen to you and you have to choose which one you would prefer to the other bad choices. Okay. So number one. Your hands are now crab claws. Two, you can only speak whale the rest of your life. Three, you get W-G-M-F-E-F tattooed on your forehead, but cannot tell anyone what it actually stands for.

Which I don't know what it stands for. I don't think it is. Four, whenever you go outside, a bird always shits on you. Five, your partner actually turns into a worm. Okay. Definitely not picking that one Six, every time other people talk All you hear are, I don't know what this one is

What is that? And six. Cicadas. Cicadas? Okay, that's it. Ooh, that would suck. Those are so annoying. Seven, you mimic a male peacock Jumping Spider every time you get slightly aroused. Do you know what that means? Yeah, they have like a really intricate

Like little mating dance that they do. That might be kind of a good thing. They bounce around and stuff. Okay. Eight, if you stand somewhere longer than five minutes, you start rooting into the ground. Nine, your farts attract giant mosquitoes. Okay, I'm picking the bird shit, I think. Or the tattooed.

Yeah. Really? Yeah. That's what they said was the bird shit. Every time you go outside, you get pooped on? Yeah, I would just, like, always have, like... You'd rather, like, not have a few mosquitoes if you can't hold your part. Farts.

Huge mosquitoes. Just hold your fart. Yeah. That one's not too bad. For West, that's impossible. So the standing in place seems like really easy loophole to exploit. Like just shift your foot a centimeter and you're just not going to get rooted. Every five minutes?

It's hard to like stand exactly in the same spot for five minutes. No, it's not. It would appear like sitting on the couch. Oh, does that count? I thought it's not just like standing. Okay. Okay. Otherwise I do the whale thing.

Really? You see Star Trek 4? It comes like really in. handy. That one, but wasn't it that you only could make whale noises? Yeah, that's pretty sweet. So you would, like, just want to only be able to make whale noises. Uh-huh.

Nah. None of the ones that, like, are permanent. It'd be bad for the podcast. I'll give you that. I'm going to, you mimic a peacock jumping spider every time you get slightly aroused. So you'd be doing it, like, 30 times a day. You'd be doing that in, like, public all over. Yeah.

Like, if you, like, went out and you, like, just saw someone you're attracted to, you'd have to, you'd have to, like, bounce around and do this. It might be a cool bands. And I guess. Not everyone knows exactly what that means. You'd just be kind of dancing around. I also could do the tattoo on my head. Yeah, the tattoo I just...

Just like grow my hair out, wear a hat. Yeah. That's an easy one. Get some, like, cool lettering so it kind of looks cool, you know? Yeah. For me, it's the tattoo. There might get, like, a couple more face tattoos, so it's like they don't pay attention to that one.

Right. If you just have the one tattoo, everyone's going to ask. But if someone asks me and I was just like, I don't know. Like, that's almost... People would be... would be like, whoa. On your forehead. Wow.

All right. All right. Yeah, good questions. Thanks, everyone. Well, that's pretty much it. Okay. So thanks everyone for the story. I don't know.

I guess the podcast is over again. Stop talking? I think we just stop podcasting. Well, let's tell everyone we'll do that and then we can stop. Okay. We're going to stop now. Thanks for listening, guys. Bye.

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