Tooth & Claw: True Stories of Animal Attacks - Animal Attack News Roundup - Toilet Snakes, A Storm of Scorpions, and The Aporkalypse

Episode Date: December 4, 2021

We cover some of the more noteworthy animal attacks that have occurred recently (Jeff breaks this rule. Kind of. But what do we expect at this point...) ~~ To advertise on the show, contact us! ~~ Tooth & Claw is brought to you by QCODE. Support the show and get access to an extensive library of exclusive episodes like this by supporting the show on Patreon or joining the Grizzly Club on Apple Podcasts. For the latest updates on the show and all things wildlife, follow us at toothandclawpod.com and social:  Instagram: @ToothandClawPodcast Twitter: @ToothandClawPod Wes: @GrizKid Jeff: @jefe_larson Mike: @mikey3ds                          Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome back to another episode of Tooth and Claw. So since there have been some pretty crazy animal attack stories that have taken place over the past couple of months, we thought it'd be the perfect time to do another one of our Animal Attack News roundups. We've done this before. You guys probably know the routine by now, but we hope you guys enjoy this. We gathered up some pretty good stories, I think. Oh, and happy holidays to everyone. All right, I'm done talking.

Let's get to the show. Weird faces. That fridge is, what's it doing over there? You better catch it. Welcome. joke? I do remember that joke. No. So your fridge is running. Hey, you better go catch it. Is that how it goes? I don't think that's the size. Can't you use that for like your sink or you anything? People said fridge, but that didn't make sense to me because it's like, yeah, of course my fridge is running. No, no. You call someone,

it's a prank call. Those are funny all the time. And you say, hey, is your fridge running? And they say, uh, yeah. Oh yeah. And then you say, well, you better go catch it. I remember. It's very, very, funny, Jeff. What's there between a prank call and a crank call? Nothing. Same thing. Yeah. Thanks. You guys want to hear an embarrassing story from me?

Yeah. So when I was like elementary school, yeah, tooth and claw. Okay. Elementary school or no, I think it was maybe mid, it was middle school. But so I was on like some Adderall and some medications that made me prescribed. Prescribed. Yeah. For ADD.

That made me like hypersensitive. But anyways, I didn't have a lot of friends. And a friend came over and wanted to prank call this girl that I kind of liked. So we called and it was like her mom and we like did all these like stupid voices. And then her mom was like, I'm going to call back and talk to your parents. And on the prank call I like completely like gave it all up and like started crying. I was like, don't tell my parents, please. And I don't even think they would have cared.

Mom and dad wouldn't care about that at all. But I was always so scared about like what they would think. That's really funny. Just ended up me being like, crying in front of like the one friend that I had for like one day. Prank was on you. The reverse Uno card. Yeah.

Hey, welcome to the podcast. Yeah. We're tooth and claw. We do stories about animal attacks, but it's mostly a science podcast. We're trying to teach people what you can do to avoid animal attacks, what we can learn from animal attacks, how you can prevent them, how can you respond to them.

We're just trying to tell us some fun stories, but also teach some people some things about animals. Because we all love animals here. Even though we didn't really know if Mike loved animals, I think we've come to learn that you do love animals. I'm coming around on him. He likes predators. Yeah, I would say more often than not, though,

Mike ranks his animals higher than you do. Yeah. Yeah. Jeff tries to be a little cute with his ranking sometimes, I think. I got to fill in some fluff. Yeah, you do. Anyway, this is our news episode, so it's going to follow a little bit different format than we typically do. Happy holidays, guys.

Happy holidays. Me and Jeff just spent Thanksgiving together. Mike was going to show up, just never texted, never showed up. So this is a thing that I do is I give a slight, glimmer of hope that I'll show up to a social event or gathering. Yeah. And then I don't. Well, right before you left, I talked to him.

He's like, so there's kind of a problem with me going, I won't have a car. I was like, yeah, obviously, like, we knew you were flying that you were only thinking of this now. I'll just say, I only think you're going to go somewhere if it's ironclad. Like, if I call you and you're like, yeah, I'll be there. Then I'm usually like, okay, Mike's coming. But if you're ever like, I think I can make it, I'm usually. Mike's not probably going to come to this.

Yeah, I just figure by being a little more exclusive people cherish the time they have with me, a little more when it eventually shows up for the recordings. I barely made it this time. We appreciate it. Jeff, that's a wonderful Christmas tree you got. Oh, you want to describe it? Jeff's got a tiny little, it's fake. It's about a foot tall.

It's bent. It looks like a little Charlie Brown tree, and it's got about six lights on it. It smells good, though. My mom gave it to him. It's probably from like Michaels or something. Two pine cones. And that's his Christmas tree. Yeah.

It's wonderful. It's pretty tiny. It's very festive in here. Santa's not going to be able to fit many presents under that. Do you guys have like a favorite ornament that you decorate the tree with? I want to print out an ornament that is spelled the way that Jeff says ornament. Orte. Orte bit.

Ornamental or whatever. I went from elementary school that's just like a star that I cut out and like, like drew on and then it's just a picture of like my school picture yeah you have one of those so I have a compact like a CD what am I saying compact disc work a compact it's a CD with just like my fourth grade picture on it that's really so stupid a listener made me an icy bear ornament ornament yeah last Christmas after our polar bear episode Like I was saying how cool the icy bears. Oh, yeah, I think I remember that.

That was nice. Hey, if you listeners ever want to send something to Mike, he could use one of those two. I've had a hard year, guys. I don't have a, I had a favorite growing up, but I don't remember what it was. I remember, I just saw this tweet from a guy who was like, I'm going to drink the stuff inside of a snow globe. And then the next tweet was like in the hospital. Which I thought was funny. Anyway, we should probably get indoors.

episode. Oh, boy. We've each prepared a few stories from the news since our last news episode, which was about a month and a half ago. So there's been some good stories. I think in the past we've done like a handful of stories. This time I think we're going to condense it a little bit, but maybe give a little bit more time to the stories that we did. We'll have a couple that are still kind of rapid fire, but I tried to really get some good details for the three that I did. I have a story where like a guy gets wrecked and dies. Uh-huh. And it's not even the one that I think sounds worse.

Okay. Spoiler. I'm interested. I'm interested. Maybe I'll start with one then. Oh, yeah. If you guys are okay with that. Yeah.

This is one that happened somewhat recently. It happened November 12th, 2021. And this was the one that I was pretty happy to do because all of the articles I read. I think it was like New York Times did an article and then a bunch of when, you know, and like a big newspaper does one, and then there's a ton of other little newspapers that, like, do one, and it's the exact same thing pretty much. I had that same thing with one of my stories. Yeah, that's what happened with this one, but the original article, whoever did it, it was,

I think it was good, and it was pretty succinct, and it was also, like, good scientific information. So I was really happy about this one. Not happy about what happened, but happy that I didn't have to do, like, a ton of fact-checking. Anyways, this happened in November. Huge storms in Egypt caused massive, flooding, and these huge floods cut off people from electricity and water, they destroyed hundreds of homes. A lot of the scientists that looked into these floods felt they're probably climate change induced, you know, really extreme storms in places where they didn't used to have

storms that necessarily like let out that much water. And three people actually ended up dying as a result of these storms. Are the pyramids okay? Pyramids are okay. Yeah. I think. Weirdest and most terrifying part of these storms was it in Eswan Egypt, which is like a southern province of Egypt, a tiny arachnid, the Death Stalker Scorpion, thousands of these tiny scorpions scrambled to evade the floods, and they ended up in houses, and they ended up stinging hundreds of people during this storm. Oh, man. So Death Stalker Scorpions are aptly named.

They're one of the most venomous of all scorpion species. Their venom is potent enough to kill children. It can kill old people, and it can kill people. and it can kill people that have like underlying health problems. So if they're like obese or have heart conditions or something, they can die from these scorpion stings. The venom is neurotoxic, so it attacks your nervous system for the most part. It's extremely painful.

It leads to high fever, sweating, vomiting, diarrhea, Mike's favorite symptom. Send me some scorpions. And severe pain of the sting site. Humans that die from it usually die from pulmonary edema, which is essentially your lungs are filling. with fluid and your tissues filling with fluid. There's also a high rate of pancreatitis among survivors of stings from death stalkers. So some of the survivors are still pretty messed up.

Yeah, they can get pancreatitis, which was a study in Israel that showed that that happens. Personally, don't ever want any animal named death stalker in my house. It's a good rule of thumb. Yeah, but that's what happened in Egypt. These floods pushed thousands of these scorpions from their typical little hidey holes in the desert into home. and 503 people were stung on a single night the night of November 12th. It's like Joseph.

Yeah, it sounds very biblical. Yeah. Or Moses. Yeah, whatever. What am I thinking? Doesn't matter. One of those guys. Anyway, so many people were stung that it depleted the reserves of scorpion anti-venom

in a lot of their hospitals. Oh, no. But scorpions are common in that area. The residents are pretty familiar with them. In a typical year, they have dozens of stings, but 503 were reported just in that one night. So they go from typically in an entire year having like a couple dozen stings to having 500 in a single night. If you are stung in those areas, you just need to go to the hospital. They're going to have anti-venom on hand.

But it is really interesting to me that scorpion anti-venom is really hard to make, as you might guess. A single gram of scorpion antivenom, or sorry, a single gram of scorpion venom. Which I'm not sure how much anti-venom that makes, but a single gram of their venom requires milking 3,000 scorpions and that single gram of venom is worth $8,000. So scorpion venom is one of the most valuable. Why will start milking scorpions? Yeah, I guess there's like a little gig economy in Egypt for people to like go out and catch scorpions to give them to researchers to milk. But milking them, you like stimulate them with an electric current. And it's a really delicate process that you have to be a professional to do.

You need like all this crazy equipment and stuff. And that's why it's so hard to get. And a single gram of it is worth $8,000, which I mentioned, it's one of the most valuable substances on Earth, Scorpion Venom. Like per gram. Per gram. Yeah. It's like worth a lot more than gold and a lot of other stuff.

So no one was actually. Yeah. Who to thunk? Maybe that's what we should give people. get engaged. Scorpion venom? Yeah. I guess.

More valuable than a diamond. Yeah, big scorpions out there pushing that instead of diamonds. No one was killed by the scorpions. The three people that died actually died from electric lines falling into the water. Oh, well. So it wasn't the scorpions. No one died from the scorpion. I thought three people died.

No. That's kind of, and again, I already gave this article praise for like not being too dramatic, but a few of the ones I read did make it seem. Like the headline makes it fairly. It'd be like hundreds of people stung by scorpion and Egyptian floods, three people die. And it's pretty hard to tease out. It's like different. Sure.

A tornado goes to the Midwest and a cow gets blown on to someone and they say the cow killed him instead of a tornado. Yeah. Except that it wasn't even the scorpions that killed. It's actually nothing like that. I have great comparison I think that warrants further Yeah thought I don't know that hurt my brain

So is what the Just about how dumb it was The scorpion king You know what I'm talking about Yeah yeah yeah What kind of scorpion is he I mean That was Egypt

So he could be a death stalker scorpion Okay How big are they You said they're tiny They're tiny They're little like How big is tiny That's a good question

Like I would guess I think they're pretty similar to like our bark scorpions here in Utah. Okay. And they are about, I don't know, like probably an inch, an inch and a half long. They're really small. And as a general rule with scorpions, the smaller. What are you laughing about? How big is tiny?

It's just, it's not even funny. I mean, I was picturing them smaller than what you just said. Well, like, this is pretty small for a scorpion. Yeah. If you think about it, like head to tail. Their tail makes up a lot of that because it curls. As a general rule, the smaller the scorpion, the more venomous it is. And that doesn't necessarily hold true.

But those big black emperor scorpions that you see in movies and stuff a lot, like the ones they put in the boo box and hook. Okay. It's like a be sting. They're still venomous, but it's like not really going to mess you up. In Utah, we have bark scorpions, which are our worst one. And they are similar to this death stalker. And that if you get stung by one, you need to get some medical attention probably.

If you're healthy, it's not going to do anything to you aside from maybe hurt and give you diarrhea or something. What type did your friend get stung by? Probably a bark scorpion. Really? And I was pretty bad about. My friend got stung by one in the middle of the night, Kyle, who's the listener. In Mexico. And rather than, we were far from any hospitals.

So I drew a circle around it and said, hey, if it gets bigger than this, we need to go do something. That was mostly just to call them down. It didn't really matter. And he had like numbness in his hand for years. Wow. He got pretty sick too. Before staining him did the scorpion yell, get over here. It didn't.

I think that was a yellow scorpion, which is like a, it might have been a bark scorpion. I can't remember. But if it's small and yellow, if you run into a little scorpion that's small and yellow, give it some space. Probably don't pick it up. Good rule. I do have a video of me picking up a bark scorpion, though. So I probably am a bit of a hypocrite for saying that. We do?

Yeah. Do as you say, not as you do. Like usual. Yeah. Anyway, that's my first story. This summer, serve up the cookout classics. Oscar Meyer hot dogs and Heinz mustard. Grill up a dog, add classic yellow mustard, or loaded Chicago style.

We all know it's not a cookout without Oscar Meyer and Heinz. Hey, this next story by Jeff is a really good one. Does involve a man being bit in a very sensitive part of his body. So if that's like a weird trigger for you, go ahead. and skip ahead. Or if you have like little kids. I shouldn't say weird trigger. If that's a trigger for you or if you have young children, go ahead and skip ahead a little bit.

Someone else want to go next? Yeah. I'm going to talk about a cobra attack. Okay. So this happened in South Africa at a nature preserve and it doesn't specify where and it doesn't specify the guy's name. Okay. But I got some info.

So it's a 47 year old man and he's from the Netherlands and he was just a, just visiting a nature preserve in South Africa, which sounds really cool. It does. I'd bend a son. In South Africa? Yeah. Pretty cool. Pretty cool.

That's where you saw a pengolence? Yeah. That'd be cool. That sounds cool. Lots of other stuff, too. So I'm sure he's having a great time. Probably. Trip of his life.

I would assume, I guess I can't say. He's a Dutch man? Yep. But happens that he had to use the bathroom. That happens. Yeah. Everywhere. Yeah.

You go. Yeah. Sometimes that is the fun part, though. Yeah. So you wouldn't expect like anything out of the ordinary, really, right? When you went to the bathroom in South Africa, did you just think this is pretty normal? Yeah, for the most part. You probably don't remember even that well.

I'm trying to. I'm bracking my brain right now. Think of it. Well, in the bathroom that he used, there was a snouted cobra inside the toilet that he didn't see it. Oh, he didn't see it. Uh-huh. So he sat down. And so he sat down and he was bitten on the penis.

Okay. Hey. That's pretty inconsiderate. Yeah. That's not by who? I mean, both, really. I guess the dude is out, he instigated. I mean, if you're getting dumped on and you just been sitting there all day.

He was sitting on the toilet. Yeah. Yeah. Then, like, I think you have reason to bite someone for that. Sure. Yeah. I guess. So, Wes, what do you know about?

knouted cobras? I know they live in southern Africa. Mm-hmm. Yeah, they live in like Botswana, Mozambique, South Africa. They're a true cobra. So they're like a nausea family cobra. What is that? That's like the family of cobras that's considered true cobras.

They're the ones with like hoods. Yeah. So they have hoods. They rear up front part of their body. Neurotoxic venom. Can kill people pretty easily. All the true cobras, if you get bit by them, you're in trouble. You'd probably want help, right?

Yeah. How long do you think it's like a reasonable time to wait for help? I would want help as soon as possible. What do you think is like starting to get unreasonable? Probably like an hour. Okay, he had to wait three hours. Yeah, that's too long. He's lucky to be alive.

Three hours for a helicopter. Yeah, he is alive? Yep. Okay. And this is a little different from, I'll get there. This is a little different from our. reticulated python episodes those suckers just clenched on there and would not let go this was just a strike but that's kind of how cobras are they just get their venom in you and then right all right

retreat jobs done yeah well and the reticulated python was probably trying to eat and this was probably a defensive strike yep and it says snouted cobras are pretty timid but can be really aggressive as they feel a threat which is pretty true for all the cobras so he gets in in the helicopter, they fly him to a trauma center, and after five hours, he finally gets eight doses of antivenin. Wow. That's a long time to wait. It's a long time.

He's lucky to be alive. He was conscious the whole time. Oh, and I missed this. So during the time he was waiting, the three hours, says he had a burning sensation in his genitals. Yeah. That can be a lot of things. Yeah.

Well, I was thinking... We're pretty sure what it is in this scenario, but... Like, you know how when you get hit in the balls, like, you feel kind of sick. Yeah. So this guy was feeling that. He started vomiting a bit. Yeah. That could have been from the venom coursing through his body, too.

He had... I don't think it's just blunt force trauma to his balls. And he had pain that ascended through his groin to his flank, upper chest, and abdomen. So once he got to the trauma center, yeah, they also gave him medicine for a fever, and he had some strong kidney pain. he is treated for swelling and actually I want to read so I'm going to read the medical part and then I'm going to just like do a explain it to me like you're five so Jeff just did analog handwritten notes a swap over to digital notes on his phone so now I'm just confused about how he organizes his life I didn't want to I don't you'll get it okay I didn't want to write all this verbatim sure from the article

the scrotal necrosis was reported to involve the entire fascia skin to introspermatic and was ex exceased excised with extensive margins read the report the defect in the penal shaft was treated by superficial debridgment and a vacuum assisted closure pump. They explain it to like year five is he developed a flesh-eating bacterial infection which destroyed tissue on the ball sack and the penis. They had to cut away the disease tissue in the case of the penis shaft. They did a skin graft. Oh, it was just a skin graft. Uh-huh.

So they took skin from his groin and used that. That's best case scenario. But this article is all, it's from urology case report. and it's from the Netherlands, and they were, like, super detailed. So that's, like, all the articles said, and I had to, like, break down each section and then wrote it out, explained it like, you're fine. Got it. So after nine days, he returned to the Netherlands and had another fever that he was treated

for, got the skin graft, that's where he got the skin graft. And then, actually, let me see something here real quick. Oh, third device involved now. We've got a computer out now. Yeah, so I just thought I'd show you guys this. Oh, yeah, thanks for showing us that, Jeff. Mike, you want to describe it? It is someone's rotten junk.

Yeah, and you see the testicles there? What's going on? I don't know if I can tell which is which, actually. It looks pretty bad. Yeah, it's kind of got... It's a Frankenweeny. It kind of looks like a vegetable popping out or... Yeah, like it looks like a ginger root.

Like his whole scrotum's been cut open. Oh, man. Hey, if you're out there, we feel really bad. That's this skin graft, and then now he's doing pretty good. Yeah, that looks a lot better. So there's three pictures of his penis. The last photo looks a lot better. Yeah.

So he recovered really well. So after the year follow-up, the only problem he had was that the scars from all the operations felt like a pulling sensation on it. So they had to go in and do a. what's called a z-plasty, which is just like a way to like reshape scars. And then like that got rid of that. Wait, that was after how long? A year.

Oh, so this isn't a recent news episode. That's recent. That's okay. Whatever. Jeff's just going off the rails. Yeah, this is good. Wow, how do I not put that together? I don't know.

Well, the year checkup was recent. Yeah, that makes sense. And it causes 81,000 to 100. 138,000 deaths or more a year. Snake bites, sorry. Snake bites cause 81,000 to 138,000 deaths or more a year. Every year. Uh-huh.

Around the world. Still. And it's probably more because a lot of cases are in more rural areas. I'm not struggling. No, you had a lot of big words to get to you. So they're just not reported. And then there's 400,000 reported disabilities caused from... Next to mosquitoes there.

easily the number one animal that kills people. And the reason, like, this was such a detailed case is it's the first case of envenomation to genitals ever from a snake. Yeah. So snakes never, like, put its venom into someone's genitals. Wow. That guy is. First.

Wow. Good for him. Yeah. It's one of those things where if you're going to get bit by a venomous snake, you don't necessarily want to get bit near any major organs, especially like a neurotoxic snake like that. So in a way, it's a great place to get bitten, but then it's also a really painful, awful place to get bitten. And in my defense, the articles have all come out, like, within the last month. Like, sure.

So this is from, like, a study of urologists. This is New York Post published it November 5th, 2021. So the story is just getting out there now. It did happen. Did I, so did I miss the detail? Is he still? He's actually not even like considered one of the 400,000 disabilities. Yeah, that last, that last photo looked pretty good as far as like recovery would go.

Especially like thinking of like thinking of the first one I showed you to that. Like that's really good. I would just say as a general point of advice, if you're in a different country that maybe you're not too familiar with the wildlife, checking the toilets a good, a good rule of thumb before you sit down. That's what they do... That's what they actually say on the official urology report. It's like flush a toilet if you're in that area before you go to that. Pretty much any area with venomous snakes or constrictors,

because toilets do present like a really attractive hiding spot for them. They have to come up every once in while and take a breath, but it's like a nice little hole where they can wait for prey or hide from whatever. It's just good practice to check. And then if you are bitten by a poisonous snake, Again, we've talked about this in some of our other episodes where we talked about venomous snakes, mostly our rattlesnake one. The number one most important thing to do is just get to the hospital as quickly as possible. Because the thing that's going to save your life is getting anti-venom.

All of those other things like sucking out the venom, I know it's a funny joke with this one. But like all of those little tips that you hear don't really work. The one thing that works is getting anti-venom. So that's what you need to do. Don't try and catch the snake. If you can take a photo of it, great. Don't try and catch it. Get to the hospital.

Get anti-venom. Waiting three hours and just like having your testicles get super swollen and sounded so terrible. But yeah, that's my story. It's a good story. Thank you. Well, thanks, Jeff. Saw a lot more than I thought I would today. Yeah.

I figured I would warn you. I'd just show you a picture of his penis and see how you react. The most effective way you did. You went a little quiet. I was hoping you would like give the audience a little more. What do you want me to say? It was shocking. Oh.

Do you want me to go? Yeah. Okay. This one is a little bit of an interesting case study. But first, and tell me if this is a little bit too much, I named this segment. A little bit like Jeff and the coyotes be wilding. So this is the headline if I were writing a story. Ham Kong, a porcolypse.

Wait. Is that too much? I'm not even sure what it's referencing. What's Ham Kong? I'm guessing it's pigs. Yeah, so this is, there's been a... But what's Ham Kong? Ham Kong.

Hong Kong. So there's been a rash of wild boar attacks in Hong Kong. So... It's going to be hard to do this like a reoccurring segment. Well, that's the thing. This is the interesting thing that this story comes from Hong Kong, but like we had in our last news episode, Shakira has. to run in with some hogs or boars, whatever they were.

Wild boars. And also... Keep praying for it. Beryl pigs. Yeah. Keep your prayers out there for Shakira's bag. Oh, poor Shakira. But this is kind of becoming an issue in several countries.

So about two weeks ago, one of these wild boars that's been running amok in Hong Kong knocked over an auxiliary policeman. And there was a bit of a tussle and it was on kind of the top. Just imagine like Frodo and Smeagle kind of wrestling at the very end of Return of the King. Yeah. Because he got bit on the leg, the policeman. The policeman did not bite the... Proto got bit on the hand.

It works. But what happened is in the struggle, this bore that accosted and bit, the policeman tumbled off. I think it was the 33rd floor of like a city parking establishment. Just plunged to its death and died. So this was happening on a parking garage. Right. So like where you don't expect to find a wild boar up on the 33rd floor.

But that's kind of the problem is these boars are. appearing in all kinds of like city council meetings. They're just like they'll wander in the door. They just like are pissed about not having access to parks at night. Exactly. So they're there to voice their opinions strongly if I know boars. And I do. But so in the past several years, there's been about 30 reported cases of wild boar attacks.

So this bore fell 30 stories. And died. Yeah, we're past that. The cop like kicked him off. I'm just picturing like an action movie where they're wrestling really close to the edge. And the cop manages it the last second to push the bore off. So this is coming straight from the Atlantic primarily, but I read a couple other stories that all were pretty sparse on the details of why this pig fell.

But I have to imagine the policeman was just trying to get him off. Okay. You know, I have to imagine someone at like ground level said like, Hey, dad can't have a horse? And the dad's like, yeah, when pigs fly. And then he had to buy his kid a horse. And the pig fell and like hit the kid and they, Everyone died.

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that's 1% of all wild boars are getting up to some mischief in Hong Kong. Yeah. So it's kind of becoming a big deal. And there's a little bit of correlation with a government mandate that was passed about three or four years ago where... I mean, that's not necessarily true, though, because it could be the same bore like 10 years. Yeah, I was going to say that. I think probably it's probably a lot less because there's probably like certain bores that are acting more aggressively toward people. I'm just saying, yeah, 3,000 bores, 30 attacks, it's kind of a lot.

Got it. Yeah. So three or four years ago, there was a mandate that was passed by the government that the euthanizing team, were no longer allowed to kill the boars. So for the past few years, their solution has been to trap the boars, castrate them or otherwise neuter them if they were male, and then release them back into the wild.

And that's just proven to be ineffective. I wonder why that doesn't work. Honestly, the reason it doesn't work is this is the same problem we are having in the U.S. It's the same problem they're having in Europe. With boars? Everywhere with wild boars is that, They reproduce like crazy.

We can't keep up with them. Even like 3,000, that's a lot. That's a lot of animals. And they reproduce. And I guarantee you pretty soon they're going to have a lot more than 3,000. And that's probably just the ones in the city. There are probably like lots of little feeder populations around the city. It's a huge, huge, huge issue.

It costs the U.S. billions of dollars every year in like crop destruction and whatnot. And there's whole industries devoted just to killing these animals. And you just can't do it. Once they're there, they're there. We haven't come up with a good way to get rid of them. So they're just kind of taken over the town. Yeah. They're not actually.

I shouldn't say that. But they kind of are. Like that's happening all over the world. Yeah. And some of the like the provincial counselors, they say the number one complaint that they hear from the citizens is of the wild boars. Like nothing else is bothering the people of Hong Kong more than the boars. in some of the districts in the city.

In Hong Kong? It's crazy. Not even like mainland China. Like the huge protests that have been going on for years. So I'm just saying in like certain pockets. Like so take for example, there's a section of the city up kind of overlooking the whole bay over the whole city. Yeah.

It's called the peak. And it's where there's like just millionaires live there. Like some of the most expensive property in the world. And they're just their whole neighborhood. Just picture a bunch of millionaires and all of their nice property and their cars and their sidewalks. all very well maintained, except for these boars that no one can do anything about. Yeah.

Well, I'm glad they've got that problem. Right. I shouldn't say that. Like, because not only are these, like, are feral pigs. Like, I think that's a better name for them, feral pigs. Not only are they, they're invasive. So they create all sorts of ecological problems. They also are a disease issue.

Like, they are a vector between, often when people get, like, like, coronavirus, for example, like pigs are an intermediary. host for like a bat you know that gives it to them and they give it to us so there's there it's a huge kind of disease issue and then there's also all the ecological and like agricultural problems that they cause there's if you guys ever listen to the podcast reply all it's one of my favorite podcast they did a really good episode on the guy that did the tweet about the feral hogs that was like a really viral tweet a couple years ago they got into it and then they like did this deep dive on the feral hog problem in the U.S.

It's a huge problem. So you guys should listen to that. I will. Yeah. All of this to say is that very recently the government, once again, okay to program. Euthanize. Euthanizing the wild pigs. That's really the only way to even try to keep them at bay.

And it still doesn't usually work. So that's, I guess I should wrap it up. Just maybe this one quote will help tie it all together with in a nice little bow. But one of the counselors, their name is Roney Wong. They blame the government in the first place for not allocated enough resources to deal with the problem. And they said that now the animals have to pay the price. And this is kind of a sad situation that doesn't seem to have a very easy solution. Yeah, that's why like, yeah, I don't know.

It's just invasive species are really tricky. But cool. To you, West. All right. My next one is about a bear attack in Tahoe that has an interesting kind of, well, not interesting, a pretty sad twist on it, I guess. Laurel Rose Von Hoffman-Kerzy. There's two hyphins in there.

Laurel Rose and Hoffman-Kirzy. Vaughn, I believe, is her middle name. Knew something was wrong when she heard loud noises coming from the kitchen of her North Lake Tahoe home on October 30th. So the day before Halloween. It's 5.30 in the morning. She hears all these noises in her kitchen. She assumes it's her 29-year-old son being rowdy in the kitchen at 5.30 a.m. So she, like, gets up wondering what the hell is going on in her kitchen.

and she's a 66-year-old retired doctor. She walks downstairs to find not her son in the kitchen, but a large black bear who's rummaging through her freezer and throwing items to the ground, which sounds pretty cute to me. But almost as soon as she realizes that she's looking at a bear, the bear turns and charges at her, and she describes seeing a large paw come at her face.

Not cute. Not cute. The bear starts ripping at her, but breaks off the attack, and she gets on her staircase. It comes at her again while she's on this staircase. She managed to throw a quilt on top of it, which stops that attack.

Good move. The bear gets free of the quilt. It's about to start a third charge when her husband and son both come out of their rooms to see what's going on, and that increased pressure scares the bear out of the house. So the husband helps tend to her wounds, and her son calls 911.

Help arrives in less than 10 minutes, so much quicker than the cobra guy. She's rushed to the hospital, She says her face hurt really bad. She was bleeding a lot. She had scratches and wounds on her neck, back, arm, parts of her body, and a bite near her left breast. There was also a deep puncture on her abdomen, which she feared had ruptured her spleen, and that would have been a disaster because she was also going through chemotherapy for lymphoma.

So she is from Rinda, California, in the Bay Area, and her and her husband had been going to this cabin pretty regularly because it was one of the only places she could go outside of her home. And that's because chemotherapy makes you really susceptible to COVID. And she had pretty much since the start of the pandemic had not been able to go outside or do anything. Hopefully the burden of it. Yeah. She said her only social life had been going to chemotherapy. That's how bad her pandemic had been.

And I was just thinking, like, imagine if you can't leave your house, your only solace is going to this cabin in Tahoe, and then you get attacked by a bear inside of your cabin, and you're going through chemotherapy. That's just truly bad luck. Yeah. How do you think the bear got in there? So I was going to talk a little bit about that.

Tahoe, I see, I follow a guy who works in Tahoe with bears. He's a photographer, and he's kind of documenting bear human conflict in Tahoe. And it's unreal how often they get into trash there. Like a lot of the videos where you see bears walking into convenience stores and stuff, those are all from Tahoe. Oh, yeah? They have really, really food-conditioned bears there. So they've learned how to open doors. They've learned how to like get in.

Yeah, exactly. They've gotten really good at breaking into things because they haven't really been taught negative consequences for that. I like the one where the bear's in like a lady's car and she's holding like a basket of apples and drops them all because she gets scared. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. And that's the kind of stuff that's going on in Tahoe. There's a lot of bears there and a lot of them are food conditioned. And when bears are food condition, we talked about this on the podcast, that's a really

dangerous circumstance because the bear's going to start taking risks that it wouldn't take normally because it's getting really calorie-dense food that's great for a bear. Like if you're a bear, especially in the fall, all you're trying to do is put on weight. So if you can break into someone's house and get 20,000 calories in a half an hour, hour where it would take you days to get that in the wild, you're going to do it. And so they need better bear safety stuff in Tahoe. They need to be hazing these bears. And I think there's a volunteer organization that manages them there that does a pretty

good job overall. But I just feel like recently I've been seeing a lot of bears in conflict situations in Tahoe. Yeah. So it is interesting though. They're moving into L.A. a bit recently too. Yeah. Yeah, in the foothills of L.A.

That quilt move was pretty good, but... Yeah, it's a good move. You do it too much, and they get quilt conditioned. Then we're in a whole other realm of trouble, you know. There's a million other things I could say about this, but we're already way over time, so I'm not going to say anything else. Prove it. Prove you have one more interesting than you.

I'm not going to. All right. He's lying. All right. So I got a bowl story, but I kind of want to go back and just name my last story with the snake, Since Mike named his, what was it, Hong Ham. Ham Kong.

Horm. Porkopolis. Ham Kong, Colin, a porcolips. A porcolips. Yeah, you're going to have a hard time to do it better than that. So my last one, I want to name it. I have had it with these motherfucking snakes in this. Motherfripp.

Toilet. That's good. That's good. We do have a lot of snakes and toilet stories. We got two new segments. So, this one. is about a bull and it's a 55 year old who died after being gored at a bull running event in the Spanish town of Onda so this one's kind of a shout out to your patron episode mike

where you talk about the running of the bulls yeah did this one happen recently the other one did too I'm not I'm not getting crap for that this is the first fatality since COVID in the running of the bulls so kind of A little benchmark he sat there. Attacked at the Fura de Onda festival, he suffered a head wound and a punctured artery in his left thigh. He's rushed to a hospital where he died. Blood out. Yep, probably.

Actually, I think the head wound is what got him. It didn't have a ton of detail. Yeah, sure. It was keeping his identity pretty private. And then Onda canceled the rest of the bull festivities, but they kept going with their festival. And in total, there's been 16 runners that have lost their lives with the running of the bulls. One interesting thing I remember talking about in your episode is that that certain type of bull might not exist if it wasn't for the running of the bulls just because they're bred to be more angry and like charge people. Which is still, that's still an interesting point to me because it's like this domestic animal that we created wouldn't exist if we didn't create it.

Right. It's like saying like a Pomeranian would exist if we didn't have Pomeranian breeders. And it's like, okay. You know? Right. And the fact is like the danger initially is the human's fault anyway. Right. So it's like, we're not doing them any favors. We made a domestic animal that's a lot more aggressive. Yeah. Because we use it for this terrible sport. Right. And again, we don't want to be indelicate about anybody's, I mean, this is a very like a cultural, even spiritual for many kind of tradition.

And we respect that. But I think we all fall down on the same page of thinking that there's maybe a better way. A safer, healthier, better, more animal respectable way. Listen to Mike's Running of the Bowls episode if you want to hear us really get in that wormhole. Cool. Mike. Oh, okay. So I'm going to keep this one short.

This happened down in Texas on Halloween. There was, so the Texas Longhorns, a famous football team for all of you, international American football team for all of you international listeners. There's a thing called a special teams coach. We're getting in the weeds. He's a coach for a team in Texas, and he had a... Oh, I was going to do this one. I forgot.

Okay. So good. No, this is good. You can help me fill in the details maybe. So his girlfriend, who's living with him, they set up this kind of cool little haunted house alleyway for little kids to come in and do some trick-or-treating at their house. And one of the kids kind of trespassed into their property a little farther than the signs were indicating that he should. And he ended up claiming that he was attacked by their

capuchin monkey. And after the fact, the girlfriend, um, I read about this one. She had like this whole video guided tour of showing exactly what this kid would have had to do. And what I found most interesting about it is on one of the signs, it said, warning emotional support animal contained or whatever like something like that. And, uh, there's two fences, a cage. So this kid really probably had to get into some mischief in order to get bitten by this monkey if it happened. Everything's kind of up in the air still. What I found most interesting, and maybe you guys want to take it in a different direction, but again, on one of our Patreon episodes, we got into animals with jobs.

And I was really surprised to find out that Capuchin monkeys, the monkey that supposedly bit this kid, are exceptionally good and not just emotionally support animals, but physical. Yeah, we talked about that a bit. Like they're the, when you get a helper monkey, if you're like paraplegic or if you have some sort of disability where a monkey could potentially help you out, it's almost always a capuchin monkey. They're very easily trained and they're typically very well-behaved monkeys, the trained ones. There's like pictures in video of these helper monkeys. They do really complicated tasks. Like they flip out DVDs and like start.

They can like, you could like shine a little laser at the microwave and they'll go like push the right buttons. It's cool. Yeah, I almost got one for my friend. Yeah, I remember you talking about that. Jeff, you want to fill in any gaps I forgot about? Yeah, well, so she was like a strip. Yeah, exotic dancer. Yeah, exotic dancer.

Yeah. Exotic dancer. And then, like, I saw her tour, too. And it's like, you're inviting tons of little kids into your house. It's like a weird sign that, like, wasn't very clear. And, like, a kid sees a monkey and goes up to it, you know? Like, I go into someone's house as, you know, like, I mean, I would go into someone's house as a kid and there's a monkey,

I'm for sure going to want to go mess with it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. But also, monkeys are, it'd be cool to have a monkey as a pet. So, like, I can see her defending herself, but it is really funny that his girlfriend's monkey bit a little kid. And, like, that's in the news. So her, like, ESPN.

Yeah, amazing. She was, so she was an exotic dancer. apparently the Capuchin monkey performed with her. Oh, interesting. I don't know how in what capacity a monkey is helping with an exotic strip. Yeah, that's no longer a support animal at that point. Right. So there's, maybe I buried the Liddle a little bit there.

I saw some tweet about that that was like Texas's coach is exotic dancer girlfriend, monkey bites child. And it was like, this is the most American tweet ever, you know. No, I mean, no judgments on our profession whatsoever at all. Or a choice of pet. I don't think that is any, a little bit of judgment on that. I was just thinking about this, like, I developed a fear of capuchin monkeys when I was a kid because there was a movie called Monkey Shines that had a killer Capuchin monkey.

And it was like supposed to be a helper monkey or something and it killed people. Anyway, that just came back to me. Good conceit for the movie. Yeah, good story. Okay, I'll go next. This was one a lot of people sent to us. and it's one I did want to break down a little bit. This also happened on Halloween, this Halloween.

And it was a 30-year-old man and his two friends were fishing in a rural part of Brazalangea Jimenez in Ministradice, Brazil. I lived in Ministradites for a little while. I know this area. It's kind of like a deserty jungle, really arid, really hot. Cool place. These three friends were enjoying the warm day. They're relaxing.

They're fishing. When suddenly they're swimming. formed by bees. Oh, not the bees. None of the articles I read said whether it was like hornets or yellow jackets or bees. As you remember, we do have Africanized honey bees in Brazil, so it could have been Africanized honey bees. Whatever it was, they're swarmed by some sort of stinging bee or bee type animal.

Caused them to panic. They throw their fishing gear down and they jump in the lake. Two of these men managed to swim out of the lake into safety. Unfortunately, their third friend wasn't so lucky. he didn't return from the lake. So firefighters respond to the scene. They're about to dive in this lake to go try and find either this guy or his body. And as they're about to jump in, they're told that it's home to some carnivorous piranha.

So they decide not to dive in. Lake bees. That's what they call. Lake bees, yeah. A lot of times they call on that. About four hours later, these firefighters do manage to retrieve the body. So unfortunately, this young man died. They retrieve his body in about 12 feet.

water, so enough for him to drown in. But the responding firefighter said that the man had lacerations on parts of his face, his ears, and his body, and they assume that piranhas are probably the culprits. However, experts later say that this man had been found in a position that's consistent with victims of drowning. So that's what I read in these articles. That was kind of the information I was given. I know a decent amount about piranhas.

So I'm going to just say... The headline was out there, and it's like, man was attacked. by bees and then killed by piranhas. Immediately, I'm just going to say like my radar went out on that one. It was like, this is in Minas, which is a state that isn't really home to red-bellied piranas, which are the piranha that are known to be the most aggressive. So to even begin with, if it's not red-belly piranhas, it's probably not the case. So what I'm thinking probably happened is this guy drowned.

And after he was immobile and floating in the water, some fish, probably piranhas. came up and took some bites out of him, which again is really morbid to talk about and pretty unfortunate. But I did dive into this a little bit more just to make sure I wasn't wrong because I'm not a piranha expert. And a piranha expert

couldn't find a single substantiated account of piranhas killing a human. They have attacked people, but he thinks that every death that's ever been attributed to piranhas, the person has always died first. They've drowned and then the piranhas have eaten him. Has like anyone drowned?

because of the piranhas attacking them? That could have happened. I didn't read, I didn't read as, well, actually I did read his whole report, and it didn't say anything about that. He just said that there's not a substantiated case of piranhas being the cause of death. There are three species of piranha that are considered aggressive. The red-bellied piranha is the most famous one. And he's seen the piranha movies? I do believe he's seen the piranha movies.

They did bring, they brought up those movies in his articles. There's a lot of evidence. counter. There's a lot of things in those movies. Especially in 3D. Yeah. You see. So even the red-bellied piranha, which is considered like the most aggressive piranha, it's still considered a scavenger.

Those feeding frenzies where you've seen like the movies where they're all like jumping out of the water and boiling, those do occasionally happen, but it's usually because fishermen have been throwing like guts in the water and chumming and they really work the fish up or they're provoked for some reason or starving. They actually don't hunt in groups. They have shoals of piranha and they'll travel in these shoals, but they're not coordinated attacks. Those feeding frenzies are pretty rare, actually.

They typically are just taking little bites out of other fish or dead animals. Yeah, because you always hear those, I always hear the fact like a school of piranhas can eat a cow in like two seconds or whatever. Yeah, technically they could. But like there was one person that died, they drown, and they found bones like four. days later that have been cleaned by these piranhas. It's not seconds, it's not minutes. It takes them a while and it really, I mean, it really just depends on how many fish are in that shoal, too. Like 10 piranha couldn't do that. I piranha fished before and like you put a piece of meat on

your hook, you toss in the water, you got a piranha. It's that quick. They're keyed into meat falling in the water. So there definitely have been people that have been attacked that have jumped into an area where they've been cleaning fish or something. And we're going to do a piranha episode, but they are not a leading cause. They don't kill people. For their size, they're like one of the meaner looking animals. They are, and they can be pretty aggressive. They have those big teeth and like, if you catch a piranha, you have to be really

careful taking... Not to get big. Yeah. But I just think this article was like a really classic example of sensationalism and the stuff that we're really trying to avoid in this podcast and even like clear up. So a few lines from the articles I read were he had. had his face and other parts of his body torn open when really like they found a few lacerations on him. A man's disfigured body has been recovered from a lake in Brazil after it was ravaged

by piranhas. That's not what happened. The carnivorous fish have made a meal out of him. Technically true, but that meal was like enough for one or two fish. Yeah, a snack. You know? So every single article too, like it was like a byline at the very bottom that was like, hey, this could have been drowned. Well, it's like one of those stories too where like you can write a lot better headline than the actual story. Totally. But what I wanted to bring up really quick, and I know we're like really getting in the weeds on a lot of stuff of this episode, but this is important to me is how this clickbait online culture can be really, really damaging for wildlife because these people that are writing these articles think, oh,

this is harmless. I'm going to write this clickbait title that says man torn apart by piranha or what. whatever, and that makes this animal that is just doing what it does naturally sound like a bloodthirsty predator, and it skirts the actual facts. And then say like, you're in Brazil and there's a construction project that's going to happen on a really pristine waterway that house is, you know, that is home to piranha. Public opinion might be turned against the piranha and they might be like, hey, who cares if they destroy this river? It's home to piranha. Let's get rid of it, you know? Yeah. And that sucks. That is painting animals.

It's demonizing them and it changes public perception towards them. And that hurts conservation. Yeah. So it totally, it's worked, honestly, because when I think about if I hop in the Amazon River, I'm going to get you. Right. That's not true. I've never been.

So it's kind of like when I found out no one's ever died to quicksand, it's kind of like, I'm a little disappointed by that, but also pretty relieved. Like, I don't have to worry about it. No one's ever died in quicksand? I don't know. Maybe that's another sensationalized counter. I feel like there are. But anyway, it's not something you need to worry about.

It's like that, like, I was in the Pantanol. I knew there was tons of piranha, and I was swimming and stuff, and all my friends were like, how are you swimming? Aren't you worried about piranha? And I'm like, no, I'm not worried about piranha. That doesn't happen. What about that thing that, like, swims up people's penis? Yeah.

So, like, that's also not going to happen. It's one of those things where... What movie? That's in the rundown, right? Yeah, and that's... That thing exists, but what I'm trying to say is that these kind of... of sensationalist things can turn perception against animals and it does a lot of damage. So don't just believe headlines when you're reading them. Just listen to our podcast.

Anyway, I'm off my, I'm off my soapbox, but it is, it's not just like, that's not just a casual thing that's not harmful. It has legitimate harm. Like it actually does damage to conservation and to some of these animals that are just doing what they do naturally. No, that's good to know. I didn't realize until today that piranhas don't really eat people. Right. Unless they're already dead. Yeah. Do you guys care about quicksand anymore?

Should we just... Yeah, so Britannica says quicksand, that is sand, that behaves as a liquid, because it is saturated with water. Okay, we know what it is. Yeah. Can be a mucky nuisance, but it's basically impossible to die in the way that is depicted in movies. That's because quicksand is denser than the human body. Oh, interesting. So you can't just come back.

completely sink into it. You like starve to death. Or like lay face down in it. James you head first and that. Thanks, Mike. Sure. Appreciate it. So I have one quick one since Wes is giving me crap about how recent that one was.

This one happened five days ago, Wes. Okay. The day before Thanksgiving. It's so fresh that there's hardly any details. So it's going to be real short and sweet. But a girl, name not disclosed. was in Yosemite. Oh, nice.

He nailed it. And I don't know why that one always trips me up, but she approached a deer that was in the act of being fed by visitors at the park. And she came up on the side of it and spooked it. And then it gored her, charged her with its antlers and gored her. Not gourd, but like hit her with its antlers. Yeah. That's a goring. Yeah.

So she was taken to the antlers. the Yosemite medical clinic to be treated for, she had deep wounds on her arms and chest. And that's where we're at with it. All right. Don't feed wildlife. Don't. Don't. Don't.

And don't. Okay. And then I got Coyotes B. Wylan.ielin. All right. Oh, we were all waiting for an update. We love Coyotes B. Wile. So real quick, Prescott, Arizona, there's been four recent attacks, two of them on people. 62 year old was bitten on the lower calf and had to be treated at the hospital and then just

a couple dogs been bit and another jogger was bit by coyote in Prescott, Arizona. And then we have an Instagram influencer. Mike, I'm going to have you play a clip for her. I'm Janakken. I'm Mike Rosenthal. And we are Chui's parents and we're so happy. happy to be a part of this Giving Tuesday. Although we tragically lost Chewy to a coyote,

the only thing we could think of doing was trying to help other dogs in need in her name. And it has been very painful, but we're very humbled by how many people have come together in her name to help other dogs. She was a member of our family, and she's going to go on and change so many other families. So we're so happy and just

It's an honor to support Wags and all the good work that Wax does in helping other people build families. So for this Giving Tuesday, please just help support Chui's Foundation. All right. So her dog, Chui, was killed by a coyote. Rest in peace. It's been really hard for them. I've looked at her Instagram. The dog was super cute.

Looks like they had two dogs. Treat it like family. dressed it up in silly costumes and really unfortunate for she says that she feels violated by the attack uh which yeah you know like i don't know if you can feel violated from a coyote west yeah i mean so i watched i looked her up and like yeah i agree with jeff it's really sad if your dog gets killed by something and i'm not going to tell people how i don't think anyone should express their grief in a specific way. Those are the words they chose. But as far as like from a biologist's perspective, if you do live in coyote territory, which a lot of people do, if you live in a place like Arizona or

Southern California or something and you have a smaller dog and it's outside, there's a really, very real risk of encountering a coyote at some point or a hawk or something else that could potentially kill it. And I don't know if, I'm sure they feel violated, but that's part of their natural behavior. Like coyotes attack dogs that are smaller than them. They just do. That's what they do. So it's not outside a typical coyote behavior is what I'm trying to say.

Sucks though. This happened. It's super fresh. It happened to them six days ago. So what, two days before Thanksgiving. And I just want to read it from her words on her Instagram. Yesterday morning we lost our precious love, chewy to a coyote. My baby is gone.

Our hearts are forever broken. It is difficult to write this, and we debated on sharing the video, the last slide, which, side note, like, the video, that's one sneaky coyote. Is it? It was, like, hiding in the bushes and trees, and, like, the dog ran out, like, I guess it's morning routine, and the coyote, like, snuck around to the door and blocked it off from the house and then ran after it. So pretty sneaky, knew what it was doing smart, and happened real quick.

Also, really smart of it, it took it off the property right away. Yeah. So, like, these people, it's Jen Atkin-Hairs or Instagram. She didn't really have much of a chance to save her dog because, like, it just took it right off their property. They had to search for it. But, so, yeah, I'll keep going. But we need other families to watch it. We didn't have any warnings.

We never had seen coyotes in our neighborhood or found their droppings anywhere. It was broad daylight. We did our morning routine like we always do. Chewy having to eat first and go poop alone in private. I turned to go get River a bottle and heard her cry out in fear and pain. It all took 15 seconds and we ran as fast as we could, but they took her over a seven-foot fence. Rue saw it all and tried to help her sister. So Rue's the other dog.

Oh, okay, yeah. This is traumatic. And that's in the video. You see Roo come out and start barking. It's devastating. She didn't deserve this kind of ending. To hear your baby cry out and not be able to do anything as hell. I'll never forget her final cry. An hour later, Mike found her remains in an abandoned yard.

We truly did all we could, screaming her name and driving through the streets in a panic. She was the light and laughter of our household, our princess. She got us through the pandemic. She never left Riverside. She taught Rue how to play and love. I sang the cuppy cake song tour every day. All we ask is that the time it would take you to send condolences or flowers, please go to our link in my bio and donate $1, $5 anything to wags and walk in our Choochoo's name.

So if you guys want to look her up, this is kind of what they're doing in memory of their dog, which they obviously really loved. So if you want to donate and help their cause, I think that would. would, that seems like a good, actually I haven't looked it up, wags and walks. It seems like they've raised a lot of money. It seems like it's for foster dogs that need a home. Yeah. So, uh, look it up and yeah, that's my coyote's bewiling segment.

I will say like, if they had never seen signs of coyote, I get why then it's like a little bit more unexpected. And, and I'm not saying when I said they shouldn't feel violated because it's within their natural behavior. I just don't think. We're not trying to tell her how to feel. No, no, no, no. And, like, some of the captions I read.

You should feel devastated. Right, I would. You love this dog. If my dog got killed by coyotes, I would hate coyotes. But what I don't want to happen is, like, for people to think that coyotes are, like, vicious and bloodthirsty again. Because, like, that's kind of, some of their captions made it seem like the coyote's just this villain. And to them personally, I'm sure it is now. But that, it's just, it is a real risk of, like, having a small dog where coyotes live.

That could happen. You've got to be careful. Is it that link, though, if you're interested in helping. Yeah. It sounds like a nice way to commemorate chewy. Yeah. Relax and let Ralph's delivery handle your grocery shopping this week. We start with only the freshest items.

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we're going to talk about our most memorable dead dog from movies and TV. Our most devastating. Devastating. Yeah. Yeah. So my most devastating was probably old Yeller, because I saw that as a kid. What's the story of that one? It's been a long time since I've seen it

But these kids like get a dog And I'm pretty sure it was like an abandoned dog or something It saves the kid from Havilina They have all these crazy adventures together They're best friends The whole movie is about like the kid and the dog's relationship And then it gets rabies from a wolf That's right at the end

And they have to go shoot it like behind the shed And it's really devastating Yeah Who writes stories like that? I know it's messed up The heck Yeah The reason that one was so

devastating for me is because not only does the dog die, but you see the dog change too. Like it turns from like a nice dog into like a really mean dog and that was hard for me as a kid to see that. Yeah. Okay. Mine's from the book and movie where the Redfern grows. It's a classic. And just tragic.

Like the dogs are so cute and they're like best friends and it's like the kid's best friend. and then they're like super heroic and save them from a mountain lion but one of the dogs dies and then the other dog dies and like pulls like a total padame before padame padma padma padmay yeah where it's just so depressed it just dies yeah so mine it's the dog from john wick and that it's sad it's the quickest dog i've ever seen it's incredibly cute what's its name buttercup I think. I don't remember. Something like that.

His wife leaves him a dog and the dog tragically is killed. Murdered. By Russian gangsters. Right, by gangsters. And it's not quite the same as yours because it's, I don't know, there's a, there's something about a bond between like a boy and a dog. It's also like pretty early in the movie. You haven't made an emotional connection with that dog.

But the reason. The reason it's always stuck with me is it because it happened right around the same time I had to put my dog down. And I just kind of wasn't ready. Yeah. You know? I knew going into the movie what kind of the catalyst of the whole movie was, but I just didn't expect sitting in. Did you go on a rampage and kill everyone?

I think I might. Yeah. You know, I felt like I was capable of it. Did you say, I'm thinking I'm back? I thought it. You know, I didn't want to disturb the other movie guys. That was like such a good story. Yeah.

I love that. Simple. Yeah. Jesse, your girlfriend, Jesse, she doesn't like when. We don't watch movies where dogs die. Doesn't you like look it up or something? I just, I usually if I see it coming, I tell her to like turn her head or something. And then yeah, if I, there's been a few movies where I was like, oh, like John Wick, I've been like, I need to show Jesse this movie and then I'm like, she can't watch it.

Maybe not. Although I think that one I could ever watch and just not watch that scene. She'll get the gist. All right. So those are our most memorable dead dogs or devastating dead dogs. Yeah. All right, Pee, chewy. Sorry for your loss

So let's do some listener questions Yes Can I start out with one before you go? Yeah So we had a listener that I don't remember who it is So please write in if this is your question So we can give you credit There's a listener who gave us a pretty interesting question

And it was If we're in South Africa And me and Mike are in a shark cage And Jeff's consciousness Has been imported into a great white shark Whoa. What would Jeff do to let us know that he's the shark? Huh.

Is this to me? Yeah. Or can you guys think? No, I think, well, what do you think Jeff would do to let it? I feel like Jeff should answer. So I can't talk. So I can't pronounce a word or something. Oh, yeah.

Say Yosemite. Can I talk? I mean, I'm a shark. I don't think you can. Because then I'd just say, hey, it's me, Jeff. Yeah, that would work better than seeing Yosemite. I'd believe you, too. Yeah.

Would you think it is me? I guess I'd probably make you prove that it's you. Well, like, I don't have arms. You got flippers. Fins. Flippers. It seems impossible. Yeah, that's pretty impossible.

Like, I'd have to, like, swim a million times, like, the letters, I'm Jeff Larson. Or you could, like, try spelling them with your fin, you know. Or you could play that game we played and try to fit as many rocks in your mouth as you could. on the shore That'd get me thinking I'd be like What is that shark doing? Yeah

And if I pulled up like You'd be like No you have to count every single one It was a good question It was an outside the box question So I wanted to bring it up But let's get to our other questions Okay so I have a couple

patron questions This one's from Megan Hey homies I have a question Okay I know that dogs can be really freaked out by fireworks. True, but I kept seeing online for Canada Day to not like fireworks as it can scare wildlife to leave their babies and not come back. Is this true? They really don't come back? Usually when you hear those kind of things that like wildlife's abandoning young for whatever reason, it's usually not true. It takes a lot usually to push wildlife away from

their young permanently. I do see how they could maybe like leave and then come back when the coast is clear. But I don't think they probably abandon them. But wildlife is very, like, that's very broad. So there could be some animal out there that would just abandon. But for the most part, animals won't abandon their young that easily. Okay. All right.

So this one's from Luke. This is another patron? Yep. Luke. Luke. I got a sneeze coming, so we'll see if I can get through this. My son Sebastian has a question. So I guess it's not from Luke.

Why do snakes only have two teeth? Sebastian, I hate to tell you they got a lot more than two. How many teeth do snakes? They have lots of teeth. I can't give you a number. But even the ones that have fangs have other teeth as well. I think he's just thinking too because a lot of them have two fangs. They have two teeth that will envenomate.

Like front fangs snakes will, but they have lots of other teeth. Okay. The whole two teeth thing is just for making bunches. hiding easier. No? No. They just have two big teeth for no reason. It's for envenation. You think that's where the idea of vampires came from? No, I think it came from vampire bats. That's a good point. Yeah. Yeah. We worked our way through that one. Yeah. Crisis averted. And then, okay, so this one's from Jake. I've got a question for Wes. If you were at a party and someone was spouting out fake animal facts about bears, would you beat their ass? it's a good question no I actually I get that pretty often where I'll be at like things and people start talking about bears it comes up more than you'd think even when they don't know that I'm a bear scientist yeah and I almost always just bite my tongue and because I don't want to be the guy that's like actually like butt into a conversation yeah I don't like to correct people unless they're asking me so I wouldn't beat his ass okay

Yeah. That's a good question. Yeah. Really quick, all you patrons out there that are listening to this, we try really hard to get all your guys' questions. Our Patreon is growing, and as it grows, we get a lot more questions. So we're going to answer everyone's question. It might be on the podcast. It might be in a DM.

But if you are a patron, we will answer your question one of the two ways. And it might just be more appropriate to answer it into DM. All right, so this one's from Mike Kennedy One. This is from Instagram. Mike Kennedy One, what animal would each member of the fellowship be? Ooh. I would say... Sam's a dog.

Oh, yeah. Like a yellow lab. Yeah, golden retriever. I would say Legless is like a gazelle or a deer or something. Gandalf is an owl. Or like a Martin. I want to give Argon. Ergorne.

Ergoon. Bar-Gorn. Yeah. Wolf is getting. I was going to say wolf for him too. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Kimley, maybe like a...

Gimley is like a bear. A mini bear? Yeah, like a little bear. Or a badger. Like a Wolverine or a badger. I like Wolverine. Yeah. Let's go Wolverine.

Frodo. I'd say Frodo's like some sort of canad. Like probably like a fox. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Fox works for him.

Marion Pippen. Mirror cap for Pippin. Okay. Does that work? Yeah. And Mary would be like He's like a dung beetle Yeah

A horse He's because hate Mary I would say Mary is Let's just give them both mere cats I think there's mere cats Boreemir Boreamir I'm saying hyena

He might be a bear I was thinking bear for him too I would say Boremer because like He's lovable But it also has a mean streak I'm saying Boremer is a bear Gandalf I like that

Gandalf I'd give an owl Sure I like that Yeah it's a good question Thank you Did we forget anyone? No, we got the whole fellowship. Oh, we're going to be so embarrassed if we forgot.

No, we got three hobbits. No, four hobbits, sorry. A dwarf, an elf, two men, and a wizard. Yeah. This one's from Kayla Utrezenka's. Or wait, Kayla Uttrazinka. Okay. Where should you put your pack when backpacking in bear country?

That's a good question. Don't you just hang it from a tree? Yeah, so like the best thing to do is find like a pole hang or a tree hang. There's some rules for that. Like you want it so many feet away from the actual like base of the tree and from any other like big branches so that the bear can't climb the tree to try and get at it. A lot of backcountry campsites and national parks will have poles that are specifically for hanging your pack. If you for whatever reason can't hang it, I would take it at least 200 yards away from your

camp and put all the food in one pack and take that pack away from your camp. The main thing is just don't have a pack with food inside of your camp. But if you can hang it, great. And just look up how to hang a pack. There's tons of articles online. This one's from Lorca. Okay. That's what I think it is.

That's what I'm going with. So she's from Australia and she's saying, do you think our reputation for scary animals is earned? She's kind of saying that most animals are pretty easy to, like, scare off and, like, nothing, like, too huge in Australia. So it's more chill than people think, but she kind of likes having, like, the scary reputation around it. I don't know. What do you guys think? I think it's a little weird that people think Australia is, like, the most dangerous place for animals. Yeah, I agree.

I believe it. Yeah. Because there's no, like, huge predators. Yeah. Besides koalas. They do have a lot of venomous animals in Australia. Yeah. And, like, their spider can kill you.

There's lots of snakes that can kill you. Like, they have a lot of stuff there that's venomous that can kill you. And then they have huge saltwater crocodiles. But I would feel more comfortable in the bush in Australia than, like, in Africa. I think it helps make it seem a little more scary that it's not connected to any other land. Right. So they're, like, surrounded by sharks and crocodiles. Yeah.

But, no, I don't think it's... I don't think it's totally deserved. Because people think it is, like, more dangerous. anywhere else. Right. It's not, no. It is cool, though. So I'd be proud of it.

Yeah. Yeah. Good for you, Lurka. This one is from Francesca. So she sent us a cool picture of like a drone footage of a mountain lion at the top of a tree. Mm-hmm. And then she's asking what do you think about people using drones for wildlife photography or hunting? I think I saw that video and it was definitely too close to the mountain lion.

and that mountain line had probably been treated by dogs too, so it was probably already pretty stressed. So I think if the animal notices your drone, you're too close. If your drone is being noticed, then it's going to stress out the animal. They're going to, like any animal that has a buzzing, like whirling thing come by, it's really going to stress them out and you're too close. I've seen some bear videos that were like viral. Actually, once I did an interview with Al Jazeera where they like wanted me to talk about

how cute this bear video with the drone was. And really it was just the bear was like so stressed and that's all I said was like this guy was way too close with this drone And so you can do it you can do it ethically, but if the animal's noticing your drone you're not doing it right Okay, yeah well that's gonna be hard because in the mountains I hear drone from people they're like two miles away sometimes Yeah, but sometimes animals don't care about a little buzzing like that It's like if you're buzzing in on it and stuff All right, this one's from Angela and Things. Thoughts on the Ant Man movie?

Just finished it. Ants are super cool. Yeah, I agree. We're like six years too late on that one, but gray movie. What do you guys think? I put it like in the middle of Marvel movies. I love Paul Rudd. Yeah, good Ghostbuster movie.

Yeah, we just saw Ghostbusters. Maybe six years from now you can... Yeah, ask us what you think of Ghostbusters. But no, answer. Are really cool. Mike, you a fan of ants? I big, huge fan. You got bit by a bunch of ants.

I'm a fan, though. I respect them. They're tiny, and they try to, like, really mess me up, and I respect that. Fair enough. That's why I don't respect horses. A horse could easily kick my ass and kill me. It doesn't. It doesn't do it.

This little ant, though, is trying to kill me. I just watched a horse. That's true. Trying to bite its owner a bunch of times. Oh, I'd like to meet that horse. Shake hooves. This one is from Carrot King. If your goal was to eat as many people as possible, what animal would you be?

An orca. What would you guys be? How many people do they eat, though? They don't. But if my goal personally was to eat as many people as possible, I'd be an orca. No one would expect it because they don't eat people. And then you could just eat them in one gulp. True.

I was thinking a lot similarly with the blue whale, but I was like, oh, blue whales don't really eat people. But if my goal was to do it. That's a good point. That's a good one. Yeah. You could eat like a whole boat of like 30 people. I don't know if they can like digest a person. Well, it'd be cool because you could like swallow them and then shoot them out of your blowhole.

Just their skeleton. Yeah. I'm still picking an orca just because, just because orcas have everything they need to eat people. Like they got teeth. They eat. Silverware. Yeah. And they got it all.

I can't beat blue well. Okay. I was thinking hippo. So this one is, how come you don't have ads or sponsors? I mean, not complaining, just curious. Yeah, can I field that one? Take it away, Wes. We've, like, kind of looked into it, but we haven't really figured out how to get ads or sponsors.

Yeah. We're looking into it. We're trying to figure it out. It's probably in the future. In the meantime, like, we kind of think it's nice that we don't have ads for now, but we have needed to figure out. out a way to, you know, make this thing. We put a lot of working.

We put, I mean, it's like a part-time job for all of us. So we do the Patreon. And our Patreon's probably like a dollar or two more than it would be if we were running ads. It's a little bit more expensive because of that reason. We don't have any ad revenue. We don't have any money coming into this podcast aside from Patreon and merch sales. So we do really, really truly appreciate everyone that has signed up for Patreon or bought

merch because it's really to be honest like it's the only thing keeping this thing going and for people who can't afford it we're happy to keep providing you free content without ads for right now and hopefully we get ads and we can lower our prices yeah totally it's kind of a trade-off for us but so far it's working and we're happy with it but we are going to look into ads yes sir speaking of that buy some socks socks for animals oh yeah west's company son yeah If you want a Christmas present, sox for animals.com. And you're supposed to buy socks to give your animals. No, there's socks with animal prints on them.

And a little bit of that money goes towards animal conservation. So socks for animals.com. Look it up. And then from Pedro. Tadu? I don't know. That's a Brazilian one. I should have you say it, but whatever.

Favorite animal from Brazil other than Jaguars, please. Did you do the J-A-J-A-J-A? For me... Do they do that in Brazil? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Or no, they do like a...

Oh, no, it is different. It is. It's like a R-something. I can't remember where it is. It's like R-I or something. But I like, I like toucans and I really like maimed wolves. Boy, this is hard for someone who doesn't know anything about animals. There's giant ant-an eaters.

There's giant antiques. What are there's, like, little monkeys we see at the zoo? Actually, I'm going to go with a sloth. I like sloths a lot. Yeah, that counts. Parrot. Okay, like any specific kind, like a macaw? Yeah, what's the, we just talked about one that I thought was really beautiful.

Hyacinth macaw? No, it's the blue one that just barely went extinct. Oh, yeah, that's a sphinx. Spinks or sphinx. It's extinct, you can't choose that. It's one of those. It might be spix. Spix.

Spix, Macaw. It's extinct. No, they're just, they're extinct. extinct in the wild. But they're a Brazilian animal still. They're alive. I actually really like giant ant eaters too. I'm going to put that on my list.

All right. You're alive. I saw one of those as like an emotional support animal for someone. He had it in an airport. Weird. Yeah. Didn't Salvador Dali have an ant eater as a pet? Yeah.

As a cool pet. I don't know if it's ethical, but it's cool. Big old tongues. They do? Yeah. Like you. Just like me. All right.

So let's wrap it up. Thanks everyone out there. Merry Christmas. Yeah, I hope you stuck with us on this. We'll talk to you later. Yeah, thanks for listening, guys. We'll see you. Bye.