Tooth & Claw: True Stories of Animal Attacks - Cassowary Attack - Kicking and Screaming

Episode Date: June 11, 2021

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which apparently is a real animal that exists. It's this really cool bird that maybe I guess I'm the only one that didn't know that it was a real thing. And we'll get into it more in the episode. But yeah, this one's a really fun episode. I think you guys are going to like it. Thanks again for listening. And a huge thank you to everyone that left us a rating and a review on Apple Podcasts. Last time, we called on you guys to help us out with that.

after some technical difficulties, and you all more than answered the call. We read and appreciated all of the kind things that you wrote about us, and we wanted to say thank you. So yeah, thank you. Okay, that's enough talking. Let's get to the episode. So I wanted to start this episode a little bit differently than normal. I want to play you guys a clip of an animal making a noise, and I want you guys to guess what you think that animal is. Okay?

Yeah, I'm always down to try new things. All right. here we go okay jeff what is your guess for that animal i mean the crickets make it sound like it's by water so it kind of sounds like a bullfrog bullfrog sure yeah it sounded like a big cat grunting to me or something so that's what i would have thought i would have thought a lion that's like kind of casually bellowing it's actually a cassowary oh cool what yeah yeah so what's a cassoward a casseroir yeah birds so that's actually what we're going to talk about today in a minute But what I want everyone out there to do, if you don't know what a Cassowary is, look it up.

It's spelled C-A-S-S-O-W-A-R-Y. Mike, I'm going to show you a photo just so you are aware of what a Cassowary looks like. It looks like a really exotic emo or something. Not exotic dinosaur. Sure. We'll explain them a little bit better. I actually like that Jeff picked Bullfrog because Casawaries live in Australia. and when I was doing this episode, when I was researching it,

I was thinking a lot about the Simpsons episode where they go to Australia. Uh-huh. And how, like, kind of offensive that episode is, first of all, because they just make fun of Australians, like, nonstop. Yeah. But there's this part in it where Bart brings a bullfrog and he lets it go, and they multiply and kind of take over. And there's a part where they're in the store,

and the shopkeep is, like, sweeping all these bullfrogs out of the store. And Bart has one, or no, Bart doesn't have it. I think Marge or Lisa or someone has one. And one of the guys in the shop in like an Australian accent's like, oh, what do you call that? And she's like, we have them in America. They're called bullfrogs. What? That's an old name.

Or to call them Chaz Wazers. Which is really dumb. Mike, I'll just have you play the clip probably because it's really funny. And it's this squeaky teenage voice. Yeah, it's one of my favorite episodes. I wonder we'll pull our Australian audience to see if they like it. I think when it came out, a lot of Australians were pretty upset about it. Really?

And I know they had a Brazil episode, too, that really pissed Brazilians off. But, yeah, just because they made it seem like everyone that lives in Australia just, like, lives out in the outback and is like kind of... Like crocodile, don't do you. That's like how they talk about Montanans. Totally. But it was a little bit more like... Yeah. I don't know.

Yeah. So... Wes, I have a question for you before we get into Castleware. Okay. So I read this on the internet today, and I wanted to ask. Yeah. You like love your girlfriend's dog Bryce, right? I do.

Yeah, she's pretty much my dog now too. Yeah, Bryce. Let's say that Bryce one day was barking. Uh-huh. And then looked you in the eyes and in perfect English said, I'm going to kill you, but I'm going to wait until it's the perfect time and then started barking again. Yeah.

What would you do? I wouldn't want to be around Bryce anymore. But how would you explain that to like Jesse? I don't know, but that might end up being like the end of our relationship. Might be. That would for sure. I just feel like I would be, she would probably never. She would never believe me.

Yeah. I would probably want to go like see a mental health professional and make sure that I'm not like having a break. You would probably convince yourself that was just me being crazy. I probably would. But if I knew that it happened and I felt 100% confident that I didn't have a mental break, Yeah. I don't think I could be around Bryce. Yeah.

And Jesse wouldn't believe me. That's a hard question. Yeah. Okay. I thought it was a funny question. Yeah. Oh, it was just a question. Yeah.

Okay. Well, back to, I guess, regular scheduling then. Yeah. That's a great question, though. I'm going to think about that. It's kind of funny. Anyway, so yeah, we're going to talk about cassowaries. I've always been obsessed with Australia.

We've done a couple Australian animals now. We did the funnel web. and now casawares. Yeah. When I was a kid, I used to pretend to talk in an Australian accent. And it was a thing that mom and dad would make me do for their friends and stuff. Oh, really? Yeah, and I'd go to school and I'd count in, I'd go one, two, three.

And I just thought I was like, I thought I had nailed it. And it was a terrible Australian accent. I'm still really bad at accents, but I thought I was really good at it. Mike, have you ever been to Australia? Never. Do you want me to go and just report back? I think we should go see the Great Barrier Reef before it's gone. Sure.

You guys got anything else you want to say before we get started on cassovaries? That is my only question for you. Yeah, it's a good question. Mike, what would you do in that situation? Yeah, just like a family dog that says that to you. So wait, you said Jesse doesn't listen. We're going to say it's your. No, Jesse does listen.

Oh. We're going to say it's your. My answer changes. We're going to say it's like your family dog, though. Right. And it does that to you. Uh-huh. And it's your beloved dog.

Yeah. What are you doing? I was thinking about maybe like putting it outside, but I think getting any closer than I already would have been is a bad idea. So I'm probably leaving. It's not an immediate thing either. It said it's going to be a long time before it does it. I mean, how long, you know, dog years are one year for us.

It's seven years for them. I just assume it's bluffing. I also don't know how Bryce would kill me. So I guess with that, with that interesting question, thank you, Jeff. Yeah. We'll get into our episode. This is going to be kind of a different episode.

First of all, because a lot of people probably don't know really what a caswary is, I'm going to run through some of the biology first rather than in the middle or at the end. Smart. And then there's a couple stories that had a little bit more detail. And then I found a paper. I actually found a couple of papers that were really helpful. They're both scientific papers. Both of them by Christopher Coffron.

One was in 1999 that outlined just a base. rundown of casuary attacks and then ones 2003 that actually had case histories of each of those attacks and that was my main source of information for this episode but I want to I want to tell a couple of those stories and I just want to read the case histories for some of the other ones because they're all listed in a very matter-of-fact way but they're pretty interesting and a couple of them are pretty funny so anyway I Jeff you brought up that they look a lot like a dinosaur. Yeah.

So I also thought about Jurassic Park a lot while I was doing this episode. Yeah. And especially because Cassowary, one detail we're going to get into is they have one claw on their foot that's like four or five inches long. And they use that claw to slash open. Velociraptor. Yeah, exactly. It's just like a velociraptor.

And when Dr. Grant says the thing to the kid where he's like, and they use it to slash at you here. And here, I kept thinking of that when I was doing the cassowary research. And if you're having like a hard time picturing a cassowary still. just like picture a big bird and then just double whatever you're picturing right now in size and give it like a taradactal head or something they pretty much to me they look like if you've ever seen a guinea fowl they look like a guinea fow that's just 20 times bigger than your typical guinea fow or they look like a turkey that a turkey and an emu like crossed yeah they look like an

emu with the turkeys waddle and that's a good that's a good one they've got to look like a cool, cool, and they have a helmet. They got a helmet, yeah, helmet mohawk. Which is called a cask,

which we're going to talk about a bit. So the name Cassory probably comes from a Papuan origin, so like Papua New Guinea. And Cassu means horned and wary means head. So it's referring to the fact that they have like a helmeted head. And then people in New Guinea believe that

some of the indigenous people there believe that casuaries are reincarnations of female ancestors, while others believe that the was the first mother. And that's interesting because they do, they're a very female-dominated animal where the females are more brightly colored, they're bigger,

they are polyandrous, which means the female will breed with multiple males rather than the other way around. It's just really interesting because it's backwards from a lot of birds. Yeah, most all birds, that males are more colorful. Yeah, exactly.

And especially in birds. So it's pretty interesting. And then also another cool thing about that is that the female, they'll mate, the female lays the egg and then she takes off. And the male actually incubates the egg for like 50 days, hardly eats her drinks during that time, and then raises the chicks for like nine months.

Interesting. Yeah. So it's pretty opposite of what you typically would expect, especially from birds. So they're the second heaviest bird in the world. They're the third tallest. The heaviest is the ostrich. Tallest is ostrich.

Second tallest is emu. But they are heavier than emus. Wow. There's a few species of cassiwari, but the largest and the one that we're mostly talking about is the southern cassowary. Females can get up to six feet tall and weigh 167 pounds. So pretty big. I mean, they're a big bird.

They're the largest native vertebrate in Australian forests. So that's something that we've, Mike, you look confused. Yeah, no, I'm not confused, just kind of shocked. I wouldn't have thought, I mean, I didn't know cassowaries existed really before today, but I wouldn't have guessed that even had I known. And they, when they say, and they made the clarifers. When I read that in forests, I think they mean like terrestrial vertebrate because saltwater crocodiles get a lot bigger. Okay.

But I think they're talking about outside of the water. They mean, you know, so. And then Australia, it's interesting because when you think about Australia, you think there's all these different dangerous animals. But they're mostly things that are pretty small. You know, aside from saltwater crocodiles, it's mostly snakes and spiders and stuff like that. They don't have really like any big cats or anything. No, no big cats. snow wolves or bears or anything like that.

They have dingoes, which are... They have koala bears. Yeah, those aren't bears. You're going to get one of those in every episode. All right, so they're covered in dense black feathers that are essentially almost just a quill. They only have a couple actual strands of feather on them. And they have really tiny wings that actually do have quills on them. And those quills look, those quills look like they're porcupine quills, but they're barblous.

Geez. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And then their skin colors on their face and neck are really bright and beautiful, like you guys saw. They can vary a lot by species and location, but typically very blue with bright red waddles. The waddles are like what you see on a turkey, the little hanging flaps of skin. In our March Madness tournament, you had Cassowary as your winner of the air section. I like cassovaries.

They don't fly, though. I want to make another call back to that because you got mad about penguins not being able to fly? And then you chose Cassaway. Can Cassoway? They can't. And so what are we doing here, Wes? I know. I actually, that was a mistake on my part. Thanks for calling me out, Mike. That's what I'm here for. Someone's got to keep me honest. All right. So they have three-toed feet. One toe, as I mentioned, has a claw on it that can grow up to five inches long. And with really powerful kicks, they use those claws to disembowl potential predators. Jeez. Yeah. So they're, they're pretty powerful and they have a pretty good defense. They're one of the closest living relatives

to dinosaurs. And they can't fly, like, what's their flight? They don't fly at all. So they can't go in trees? No. Okay. They swim really well. They run up to 30 miles per hour, and they can jump seven feet in the air, but they don't fly.

They just have wings. They're like ostriches, yeah. That makes sense. And emus. So they're mostly frugivorous. Do you guys know what a frugivorous animal is? I'm probably saying that wrong, but it's, think about, like, carnivorous or it's in that, that realm.

I'm trying to put this together here. Just give me a sack. Fungus? Mostly fruit. Okay. So it was right there. Yeah, you're right there. But they don't chew anything.

They just swallow it whole. And they're actually, this is really one of the cooler facts I think of any animal that we've done so far. They're really important propagators for fruit trees in the forest. But a really interesting thing is that some of the seeds they eat will only sprout after they've been passed through a cassowary's digestive system. Really? And only a cassowary.

That's what kind of fruit? That's really cool. There's a fruit that's actually named after them. I can't remember what it's called. Cassowary probably. It's probably cassowary fruit. You said that kind of quick, but that's, I just want to point out, that's crazy they don't chew their food. They just swallow the fruit.

It's like crocodiles and alligators. They just swallow. Yeah. A lot of birds are that way. I mean, birds don't really have teeth to chew usually, so that most of them just swallow. I guess that's true, huh? Yeah. It's just these ones can eat like an orange.

Yeah, exactly. But the coolest thing to me is that fact that a bunch of these fruits have co-evolved with them to where the only way they can propagate is by going through a cassowary first. Yeah, that's really interesting. That's awesome. Yeah. A couple other things, their diet also will include, it's mostly fruit, but they can also eat flowers, fungi, which you brought up.

Snails, insects, frogs, birds, fish, rats, mice, and carrion. But those are kind of just when they find them, they'll eat them, but they're mostly looking for fruit. That's kind of like me. Yeah, I like fruit a lot. Just whatever you find, but fruits like the thing you want the most. But if you see a dead animal on the side of the road, you'll take a few chomps out of it. They have a large cask on their head. That's the helmet-looking thing.

It's covered with keratin. So the same stuff your fingernails are made out of, the same stuff rhino-horns made out of in pangolin scales. And they don't really know why they have that helmet. They think it could reveal their age or their dominance or shock absorber when they're fighting or a weapon while they're fighting. Or they maybe think it helps them push through the underbrush in the forest when they're running. And then some people think it helps them make that really deep call that we listen to at the beginning of the episode.

Okay. Oh, yeah. So that call is the lowest noise of any bird in the world. and then it's also right at the edge of human hearing. So when you hear it, that's about as low as our ears can hear before it. You don't hear it anymore. Interesting. Yeah.

They're very shy birds. Is there anything that makes a noise so low we can't hear it? Yeah, but I don't know if they're animals. Okay. Yeah. How would we know if we can't hear it? Yeah, it's a good point. You measure it with equipment or something.

Oh, yeah. Open. Like you see it. You see it talking. Jeff, make the lowest noise you can make. Okay. I can't even hear that. That's it.

That's as low as you can. Anyway, they're pretty shy birds. Not much is known about their behavior and natural history. Okay. So we're going to talk a little bit about cassowary penises. And not because I necessarily wanted to. Is this going to make my top five list? Just to keep the listener.

They're super weird. Keep the listeners. Just so you guys know, we're going to go through some reproduction kind of talk on this and if you have kids that you don't, they're not ready to hear that kind of stuff yet. We always keep it pretty perfection. I'm going to read a whole thing that's about a minute.

It's got a lot of words that your kids might not have heard yet. You may not know this, but 97% of birds don't have a penis. They just use their cloaca and the male cloaca will put sperm into the females cloaca. But unlike most birds, I'm going to read an excerpt now from a book. It's called Biological Exuberance, animal homosexuality and natural diversity by Bruce Bagger Mehi.

I'm just going to read it because I had a hard time wrapping my head around this, and maybe you guys will understand, maybe you won't. Mike, you okay, listening to all this? I mean, I read that book once a year, so I'll help you guys out. All right, unlike most other birds, the cassowary male does possess a penis. However, this organ does not transport semen internally as it does in mammals. The cassowary's fallis is described by scientists, as being invaginated.

That is, it has a tubular cavity that opens at the tip of the penis but is not connected internally to the male reproductive organs. This vagina-like cavity is in fact used to retract the phallus by turning it inside out, causing the non-erect penis

to resemble the finger of a glove that has been pushed inward. Consequently, although the male cassewery inserts his erect penis into the female during mating, he ejaculates semen through his cloaca, an orifice at the base of the penis. So they use the cloaca like most birds do,

but it still has this penis that turns inside out and kind of looks like a vagina. Can you explain how that's different in humans? No, but I'm going to keep going. Females also mate, lay eggs, defecate, and urinate all through the same orifice, the cloaca. But the cloaca is exceptionally large in this species being capable of passing eggs weighing up to one and a half pounds. Most amazingly, all female castaways also possess a phallus, which is essentially identical to the males in structure, but smaller.

Yeah, wow. Yeah. It's very interesting. There's more in there, but I couldn't even wrap my head around it. Yeah, I'm still a little confused. Yeah. Do the females need the males to have an egg? No.

Well, they need the male, but they don't need the male's penis. They just need his cloaca. Oh, okay. So it's interesting. They're a very, like, androgynous creature from what I've learned. There's not a big distinction sexually between males and feet. emails. Yeah, it seems like that. Yeah. Anyway, they are considered the world's most dangerous bird, and they're sometimes

referred to as murder birds or danger birds. In a 1958 book, Living Birds of the World Ornithologist Ernest Thomas Gilead wrote, The Inner Second of the Three Toes is fitted with a long straight, murderous nail, which can sever an arm or eviscerate an abdomen with ease. There are many records of natives being killed by this bird. I couldn't find any of those records, but that's what this guy states. So who knows. Danger Bird sounds like a movie that I would discover on Shutter at 2 a.m. Yeah, and be like, okay, this is what we're doing tonight.

Yeah, I'd watch Dangerbird. Or like an inside joke on Reddit. Yeah, like a long-running meme that had been run into the ground about 10 years ago. Danger bird's a good nickname for him, though, or murder birds. That's great. Murder, Hornets. Yeah. Which really, yeah.

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domestic animals and humans. And he showed that 150 had attacked humans. 75% of those had been from caswheres that had been fed. 71% the bird had chased or charged the victim. 15% of the time they kicked. And of those attacks, 73 involved the birds expecting or snatching food. 5% involved defending their natural food sources, 15% involved defending themselves from attack,

and 7% involved defending chicks or eggs. And of all those 150 attacks that he investigated, only one death happened. And now, finally, after all that biology, we're going to talk about that death. Okay. So, Philip McLean and Granville McLean were two boys living a pretty idyllic life,

in my opinion, on a large ranch in tropical northeast Australia in 1926. So Philip is 16 and Granville was 13. Have you guys ever met anyone named Granville? No. Yeah, I had a hard time realizing that. Seems like a last name.

They spent a lot of their time exploring the areas around the ranch and helping their parents with cattle and other typical ranch tours. But they were like in a really beautiful tropical part of Australia. Like most Australians, they were aware that there's crocodiles, there's snakes, there's spiders, there's all sorts of things they need to look out for. but on April 6th, 1926, they had a run in with an animal that's pretty unexpected. Cricky. Yeah.

So the boys were outside when they saw a large black bird with a bright blue head near the forest, a casuary. They decided they would chase the huge bird and they tried to beat it to death with sticks. So already... It's a bad move. Yeah, it's not a great move. They are younger kids, but still, you know, you shouldn't be beating anything to death with sticks. and they had two dogs that joined them in their chase. So the bird didn't really run like they expected,

and when the boys got close enough, it actually jumped up in the air and kicked Granville, the younger boy, and one of the dogs. So Granville stumbles away and Philip, the older boy who's 16, and the other dog decided to press on and continue their attack. So the cassovary at this point just decided it had enough, and it charged its 16-year-old Philip, and he at that point tried to run away,

but he fell backwards and fell down. So his face was facing upward. The Casperry jumped up on top of him, and it used that five-inch claw to slit his throat open. Oh, my gosh. So Philip got up to run away, but then collapsed again from loss of blood and died out there in the field. It brave-hearted him.

Yeah. Honestly, when I think of a slit throat, that's the movie I think of. Just back-to-back slit-throats. Yeah. So that's the only recorded human fatality by a wild cassware. Wild is the important distinguishing word there because our second fatality actually happens happened somewhat recently. It was in April 2019. And Martin Hajos, I don't know if I'm pronouncing

that correct or not. It's H-A-J-O-S. He was a guy that lived in Florida and he was feeding a casuary that he kept as part of a farm near Gainesville. And details are pretty unclear what happened, but somehow he ended up on his back on the ground and the cassery repeatedly jumped on him and kicked him. So he called 911 and on the phone he pleaded for an ambulance because he knew he was in quite a bit of trouble and he actually died in the ambulance on the way to the hospital because the cassowary had opened up his brachial artery, which is one of your main arteries in your arm. And then he had more than a dozen lacerations across his face, neck, back, abdomen, thighs, leg, and right arm. So he's the only other recorded fatality of a human from a cassowary. Okay. So now,

we're going to get into a few other stories that I think are pretty interesting. And these are the case histories in that paper that I had talked about. So do they use the quills at all to get people? I don't really know why they have the quills. I think it's just feathers that didn't because they're flightless, they just have the main part of the feather and not the, I don't know the scientific word for the actual parts of the feather. Okay.

But yeah, I probably should know that. All right. So our first one, the title of this. case history is women kicked on Mount Whitfield track Wound in Buttock, 1988. So, they reported

that a woman was attacked by a casuary at Mount Whitfield, and the wound in her buttock required stitches. Although one article claimed the woman was bitten by the caswary, it is likely that she was kicked. They can bite.

What? They can bite. Yeah, but they don't have like teeth or anything. It wouldn't really hurt. Yeah. Okay, the next one is man. It kicked at Juladden, puncture wound and chest,

1990. So Barry and Jenny Toot walked along a road in Jullatin bound by rainforests, pattacks, and houses. They didn't notice the cassery at the rainforest edge until only several meters distance from it. They walked away, but the bird followed for about 50 meters. Suddenly the cassery charged, leapt and kicked the man in the chest with a puncture wound about 12 centimeters deep, knocking him to the ground. As he lay unconscious in a drain, the casseroi attempted to kick him again. The woman shouted, the cassowary advanced towards her, and she ran up an embankment. The injured man regained consciousness and also climbed the embankment. The woman ran to a nearby farmhouse for help with assistance, arriving as the casseroi again was confronting the injured man.

The bird moved only a short distance as he was assisted into a motor vehicle, and when the casseroi approached again, a farmer shot and killed it. So that's kind of an interesting one. The next one, man kicked at Cape Tribulation, lacerations in forearm, chest, and scrotum. So, Bodo Wintergeist, which sounds like the most Hobbit name of any name that we've used so far, walked out of his caravan.

This to me is the most unfortunate one out of all the ones aside from the people who died, obviously. Yeah, I mean, the scrotum's involved. But he walked out of his caravan at Bailey's Creek. He was camping to toilet in the rainforest. This is an Australian author, so Toilet in the Rainforest means. like take a shit in the rain forest.

He claims that a cassowary kicked him while squatting, lacerating his forearm. I shouldn't have interrupted you, but I know we don't assign words like jerk to animals. But cassowaries just seem like ornery animals at this point. Wait until you hear some of the rest of them, but that's as I read these, that's why I wanted to read each of these,

because as you read them, you're just like, man, cassowaries are kind of dicks. So it kicked him while squatting, lacerating his forearm, chest and groin. The linear cuts required nine stitches, right forearm two, upper right chest three, left side of scrotum four. Do you think it knew what he was about to do and it waited until he was most vulnerable? Yeah.

Seems like they would. An interesting thing about these attacks too is a lot of them say, oh, it was being chased by dogs or was being fed. But a few of them, including this one, just says the attack cannot be explained. They just don't know why. I just think they're very defensive animals. Unsolved mysteries. Yeah. Okay.

woman kicked on Mount Whitfield track, which we've seen Mount Whitfield before, puncture wound and thigh, lacerations in forehead. On March 1996, Jill Turner was walking the blue arrow track at Mount Whitfield when a cassoirie approached her from behind. The woman continued walking and the bird followed. Eventually she stepped off the track to allow the casseroy to pass, but it stopped at one meter distance. The cassowary briefly looked at the woman and then kicked Ms. Turner in the thigh, knocking her to the ground, which again is pretty interesting that it just stopped and looked at her for a second and then kicked her. And she just like didn't move and he's like, whatever. The casserory quickly kicked her again in the forehead and twice in the back. The casseroi sat down next to her,

two meters distance for 10 minutes, then got up, walked four meters and sat down for 30 minutes, then got up and walked away down the track. The woman received puncture wounds in her thigh and lacerations in her forehead that required two and nine stitches. Casuaries seem like the guy at the bar who just wants to fight. Right. And he was like sit down next to someone who hasn't said anything and just be like, what'd you just say to me? Yeah.

Or like a bully in high school that just punches you in the stomach for no reason. Push you in the locker. Yeah. So here's another one. On 2nd November 1996, James Barry saw two dogs attacking a cassowary on the residential lot adjacent to his, one biting the bird's neck and the other its leg. As he pulled one dog away, the casseroorie kicked Mr. Berry in the shin, causing a simple fracture of his lower leg.

Oh my gosh. The cassowry was obviously acting in self-defense, not realizing that Mr. Berry was attempting to help it. The bird had a history of being fed by people. Okay. I like the shin kick move. It just seems like comedic until I learned that it actually broke his leg, but it's kind of a funny move for a bird.

Yeah. In one incident, in 1986, at Mission Beach, a tourist was viewing a casuary. The bird approached the person to within one meter, apparently expecting to be fed. Instead of offering food, the tourists squatted down to photograph the casuary. Suddenly, the bird kicked the person in the stomach, knocking him to the ground. Here's a good one. That's why you always want to have extra food for animals.

No, you don't want to feed these animals. I like how I always just say, yeah. You agree. You really heard it. Yeah, exactly. In November 1991, a friend was. visiting Joseph Collins at his residence on Mount Whitfield. Apparently, stay away from Mount Whitfield if you don't want to be attacked by a cassowary. The fig tree in his yard was frequented by a

casuary and the bird was feeding during the visit. The two men viewed the cassery at close quarters, picked up figs, and fed it by hand. The visitor moved backwards to photograph the bird, lost balance and fell to the ground. The cassery quickly jumped onto the prone man's back and then jumped up and down on him about ten times. This action of the casuary appears to been in defense of his feeding area. Yeah, just like jumped on him like a trampoline. It's a good wrestling move. It is.

On October 29th, 1995, three hikers on the Blue Arrow track. I don't know. Yeah, you jumped on like WW. Yeah, just someone using someone like a trampoline? I bet you could get the three count after doing ten jumps on someone's back. So here's three more hikers at Mount Whitfield, 1995. They encountered a cassowary printing itself. The hikers went off the trail, intending to circumvent the bird, but upon their emerging back onto the track, the cassowary was waiting for them only two meters away.

The cassowary lowered its head, charged, and budded Clive Scarrot in the back. While following, no, this is great. While falling, he grabbed a narrow tree trunk, the momentum spinning him around the tree and then back again to face the cassowary. The man quickly retrieved an apple from his pocket and offered it to the cassowary, which the bird ate from his hand. The man offered a second apple, which again was eaten. Third apple was offered, but then rolled down the slope, which the cassowary pursued. Also, how many apples does this dude have in his pockets? I like that this cassowary was really aggressive and ready to fight, but it was still more than willing to eat his food.

It, like, waited for him. Yeah, waited for him. And then I love how he, like, swung around a tree and then it was facing it again. That's like the worst case scenario, though, because now it has positive, reinforcement for just kicking someone. Hey, if I kick this thing, apples come out. Yeah, exactly. All right, one more human one, and then we're doing one animal one.

Boy pecked on testicles, Mount Whitfield, 1995. In another incident in October 1995, the son of Anne Keating went outside to play. A cassowary was feeding at a fig tree in their garden, which the bird frequented regularly. The little boy, age four, climbed onto a fence post about one and a fourth meter height, and the cassowary walked to him. The cassowary pecked the boy, striking him on the testicles. Both of them? Oof.

Yeah, I guess. It doesn't really hurt as bad when you're four years old, though. That's true. Good point. Is that why you're always kicking four-year-olds in the testicles? Yeah, they don't care. All right. Our last one is especially for Mike.

All right. Here's the title. Horse kicked at South Mission Beach. Yeah. Rangers, Rangers, Brent, Vincent, and Carl Seiner. conducted a situation assessment of a race horse that had been kicked by a cassowary. This particular cassowary was being fed fruit, pineapples, bananas, and apples on the adjacent farm as part of the wildlife rescue effort following a cyclone.

When the horse was feeding at its own trough, a cassowary kicked the horse twice in its ribs and buttock. The horse suffered a deep laceration about 18 centimeters long in the upper thigh that required stitches. No death? No death. Okay, good. I got a little excited. It'd be pretty sad.

I didn't want to be excited about a horse death. Mike has a few people in his corner against horses. Yeah, the horse debates become almost every episode we're bringing up horses. He's in the minority for sure, but he's got a few supporters. This is all build up for when we have Jesse on the podcast to debate you on our horse episode. Okay, so that's it for our case studies. I thought they're pretty interesting just because they really too just make cassoir seem like bullies. Yeah.

And I read all these papers where ornithologists were saying, oh, they're shot. and they're not a danger to humans actually, and I'm like, it seems like if you have 150 accounts of attacks that it's an animal that, yeah, I mean, I'm sure there's reasons for most of them. It seems like they fed them in most of these instances. But I would be very careful approaching a cassowary.

Would you think they're just like tripping into people? I don't. I don't. I don't. Pecking them in their groin. So would you maybe, maybe I'm totally off base. So correct me if I'm wrong.

But it seems like maybe it's a great. white kind of be great white shark like we talked about how they're just kind of kicking and pecking because they're a little curious no and they don't really know the damage that they're no this is this is aggression okay yeah i think the fact that they're a bird that a lot of animals would probably like to eat um and the fact that they can't fly away you know this is just their defense mechanism i think if you if there were a lot of other birds that couldn't fly you would see them using strategies like this too where they're pecking and kicking and doing everything they can to stop you from from attacking them what are the animals in australia that could eat a cassoway

so like crocodiles a crocodile koalas the main problem they have right now are like dingoes and then dogs like people's just dogs oh the Australian wild dogs well dingoes yeah dingoes are no those are african lot dogs yeah dingoes are essentially just like feral dogs that have turned in to their own species. Yeah. But people's dogs kill a lot of them. And then Australia has a big feral pig problem too. And feral pigs will kill and eat cassoiries as well.

Okay. But as far as like historically, I don't know what predators they had, aside from crocodiles and probably big snakes. Mm-hmm. And koalas. And not koalas. Remember? Yeah.

Okay. So that's it for our case studies and our stories. We're introducing a new like ranking system for, our stories. We're going to do a scale of ouches from one to ten. You guys are going to rank what you see a cassowary attack as being on the pain scale. So I'm going to choose the one I thought sounded most painful and then give you it. I'm going to say the guy pooping.

Okay. They got hit in the testicle and like a stomach. Yeah, that's pretty bad. Because it's embarrassing a little too. But like compared to our other stories, none of these felt like they heard. hurt as much. It wasn't like tearing out of for hours. So like on the tooth and claw podcast level, I'm going like a moderate ranking for

how many ouches out of ten? Like on our level, probably like three. Okay. That's what I was, I was actually going to say three ouches. It's kind of sorry. Ouches is the correct term. I kind of, it's a tough one because we have a really big range of stories for this episode. This probably wasn't the best episode to introduce this.

Pick your most painful one. For me, it's the second guy that died. guy that died. Because he got his artery ripped open and then a ton of different lacerations. Yeah. And I would give it like, well, he died. So it's probably supposed to be 10 ouches. And now I'm trying to say outches too. But I think there's probably a, we've had people that have died that have died much more horrifically. Because he bled out. Yeah. So I'd probably say like seven. Okay. Death is the ultimate ouch. But like I would still put the dude who like survived the hippo attack. I feel like that would hurt more than

the dude who died from this. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's terrible that that guy died. I just, as I was reading it, he seemed like a pretty interesting guy. He kept a lot of different animals. And because he was breeding those cassowaries, I think, they were considered domestic animals, so he didn't need a permit. But just like a tragic, tragic accident.

Yeah. All right. So that's our new scale. We're going to try and keep that going. And now we're going to launch into our categories. Okay. So our first category that we're going to do. There aren't many cassoaries that we know of in pop culture.

So we're just picking our favorite bird from pop culture. Yeah. Or a bird that you really like. It doesn't have to be a favorite. We're just going to shout out a bird. I'm going to do the lollipop bird. What's it? Like how many licks does it take?

Yeah. How many licks does it take to get to the center of a... That was out of left field. Tootsie pop. That is not. Tootsy pop owl. I think it's interesting. That's one of your favorites when you couldn't even remember the brand.

Yeah. So I'm going to call you out on this real quick, just for a sec. But I mean, whatever. I like the owl. The bird. And I like the suckers. You know, Mike, the lollipop bird. I would never in a million years have arrived at the owl.

That's his name? I'm 90% sure. Okay. I mean, you would know it's your favorite bird. I'm not saying favorite. We're just shouting out a bird that we like. Oh, just any bird, I guess. Yeah.

Okay, shout out a bird you like, Mike. That's what you said. I like the giant eagle and rescuers down under. Okay, you picked mine. Did I? Yeah, cool. We're on that. But I'm going to pick a different one.

That's why you got to pick a weird one like me. Yeah, the Lollupon. You weren't. I took your first choice. I took your second. I'll say, you know, I'll just say Hedwig from Harry Potter. Ooh, yeah. Two owls.

But I will say in those books and movies, that was the death that I probably hated the most. Sorry, if you guys have you guys had. I've seen Harry Potter, sorry for the spoiler. My backup was an owl, too. Woodsy owl. Smokey's helper. Oh, yeah, Smokey's little bud. Yeah.

You think he's resentful that Smokey's hogged the spotlight this whole time? I mean, owls are too cool. They're like, hold a garage stuff. All right, so our next category is going to be the Animal Olympics, and we're going to pick what Olympic event in our Animal Olympics the cast where it would be best at. And I'm going to make a case for karate. Is that an Olympic sport? Sure.

It is in our Olympics. It's good at kicking. Yeah. Okay. Kickboxing or karate. Yeah. You think it could like kick through a board? Probably.

Yeah. I was going to go with maybe, you said it could jump seven feet in the air. Yeah. That's actually not. That's not that great compared to like a mountain line or something. But like the hurdles. Yeah, it might be good at hurdles. True.

What's that, what's the tournament in Bloodsport called? Where they sing the song. They chant it. They chant the. It's like comma. Comma. Commete. Commite.

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Okay, so we're going to do our cage match. We're going to put this, this bird at its max weighs 167 pounds. So let's put it in the one to 200 pound range. Okay. So the black days? Yeah. But our, we're doing the max weight for a cassowary. So we should do the max weight for a black bear.

So I don't think it would be here. No, let's like put the other animals in its weight class. Okay. So it could be a black bear. So if it's like a 170-pound black bear. Yeah. A featherweight. Could be a mountain line, or mountain line for sure.

A wolf? A wolf. Chimp. Yeah. Our medium-sized animals. So I think most of those animals are beating the cassowary. But they're going to get pretty cut up in the process. If a dog, it seems like dogs kill a lot of them and so do feral pigs.

So if a dog or feral pig can kill them, then I think just about any of our other medium-sized animals can kill them too. But they could probably get the primate since they can get people. Well, and they've killed a lot of dogs too. So I think, yeah, the chimp and the wolf and the mountain lion, in some of those fights they're going to end up dying, but they're probably going to kill the casware. They've got a good, a diverse set of moves. They've got the headbutt, they've got the talon slash, and they've got the clip on the back 10 times move. Yeah, the trampoline. The trampoline. That's what we're calling it. You do have to assume, though, too, like, A mountain lion, for example, deer kick really hard too, and they have to avoid their hooves.

So they're pretty good at avoiding the parts of the animal that they know they need to avoid. So I think most of our other animals are killing the cassori, but the casseroys is going to come out with a V every once in a while. Okay. Yeah. Do people say that? A dub. Yeah, I don't have to say a dub. It's a weird.

A V. But I love it. A victory. Yeah. It'll catch on, I'm sure. Yeah, sure. All right. So our next category, what would Mike and Jeff do?

when attacked by a cassowary. And I did look up what you're actually supposed to do. So naturally, I'm going to choose the most insensitive story. Let's hear it. The kid who got his throat slid. Oh, okay. You know what? That happened in 1926, so.

Okay. Yeah. I'm just going to say, if I died that way, I'd want, like, a full decapitation. Because in Harry Potter, nearly headless Nick, is always complaining about how they won't let them into like the decapitated head club okay so like I just wouldn't want a slit throat you know those are books right so your what you would do in the scenario is you would die by decapitation yes you wouldn't try to like get away or protect yourself no you're just going to fall to your knees and say cut my whole head off draw a little perforated line across so I'm not going to do that

Okay. I'm going after what I envision the animal's weakness or weakest point to be is get my hands around its scrawny little birdneck and just shake it. It's going to kick you. So I've actually seen some videos where they try and grab it and it rears back. They kind of like jump backwards as they kick. So that'd be probably the worst thing. Well, never mind.

Jeff's is the worst thing. Yours is probably the same thing. Could you hop on its back like an ostrich? You could try. That's better than what you. Has anyone ever rode one? I don't know, probably. We really struck out this time, Josh.

So the most important thing, first of all, is you should never feed these animals. You shouldn't feed any wild animal because food conditioning, what it does is it creates, like Jeff said, this idea in the animal that's like, oh, if I interact with this thing, food comes out, you know? And for a cassowary, that's a bad deal because they might think if I'm aggressive with it, they're going to throw food at me or whatever. and once the food stops, they might get angry and want more. So you don't want to feed them. If you see a cassowary, don't approach it. Don't try and get close to it. They're beautiful animals.

Obviously, you're going to want to take photos or whatever. Get a longer lens and take a photo from a distance. But the guy that wrote those papers, Christopher Coffron, he suggests don't crouch down or curl into a ball when you're confronted by a cassowary because that puts your head in vital organs in their striking range. He says, you should remain standing, move behind a tree, or quickly move away without turning your back. And he also said, don't leave big piles of fruit around in Caswary territory.

So you people that are out there leaving big piles of fruit in Northeastern Australia, stop it. That's what you've been doing wrong. That is my second answer for what to do is have a big pile of fruit. So that would have been wrong. Well, the Apple thing worked for that one guy. All right. So let's do some listener questions.

Okay, from Norma Rockwell 11. Oh, we've done one of their questions before. Yeah. Yeah, great art. I love your work. Yeah. Something that scared you, but you did it anyway. Something that crawling into that bear den.

Yeah. Yeah, that 80 foot one. We talked about it on our Patreon mini episode, but that was one of the scariest things that I've ever had to force myself to do. Yeah, that was very, very scary. Yeah. Mike? What was the question?

Sorry, it kind of came in one. Something that scared you, but you did any. Anyway, one of those big, when I was really little, there was a big, you know that ride that they set up sometimes just random places where they pull you up on the cable on you swing down? Yeah, I didn't want to do that, but I had to because peer pressure. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I'm doing the arch swing in southern Utah. I think I mentioned it real quick once, but basically it's like a desert arch.

Corona Arch, right? Yeah, Corona Arch in Moab. And my friends, like, built a rope swing that you, like, jump off one side of the arch and swing through it. And that was just really scary. All right. From Tasha Barivanov. What's your best spider encounter story? So I posted a photo of mine, probably.

But I was in Taiwan, and me and some friends were hiking through the jungle there. And there's these really big banana spiders or they're, like, golden, there's some type of orb weaver. but they're the really big ones that you see in nests or in um webs that are just like spread out in the middle and we had seen them all over but i was walking and i almost walked into this one that was bigger than my palm and it was just so big and again there's a photo on our instagram if you want to catch it out or check it out catch it out uh it's the biggest spider i've ever seen in my life and i truly almost completely walked into it so that was and then we actually ended up Do you think it would have bit you?

No, you know, their bite is supposed to be just kind of like a bee sting. It's not that bad. And I doubt it would have bit me. They're not very aggressive spiders. But I don't want a spider that big on my face. Yeah. I mean, it would have covered my entire face. It's like the worst feeling to just be walking and have like a full spider web hit you in the face.

Yeah, I don't love that. So that was my most intense spider experience. Mike, can you think of any? I saw a Black Widow once. Yeah. Pretty scary. Yeah. Actually, it was scary, but more, I mean, curiosity got the better of us and we're just looked at it for a little bit.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I feel like when I see Black Widows, like, for like two seconds, I'm a little, like, spooked. Yeah, I always wanted one for like a, you know, cakes. We had one for a pet for a little bit. Uh-huh. Okay. From Tyler J. Larson, what is the coolest thing non-animal you guys have found while out in the field? Coolest non-animal?

Yeah. Coolest thing. animal yeah so like for you I was thinking it's probably like the Northern Lights right you found those what thanks for doing yeah I went so really cool found the Northern whites I think he means like an item or like an object I found when I was in Africa I found this crystal that looked like it has like a teeth structure all around it it looks like teeth and it was just this really beautiful cool crystal that might be be it. I'm trying to think if there's something else. I love collecting rocks. I found a rock that

looks just like Montana once. That might be it. I don't know. Oh yeah, in glacier. Yeah, like a big rock. I found a rock that looked like Illinois once. Oh, cool. That's cool. Yeah. I, when we lived in Nevada, every so often you'd just stumble across an arrowhead. Yeah, that was always fun. Yeah. Jeff, what's yours like a meteor shower? Yeah. Gravity. Well, I was thinking in the fields that I was thinking of us working in the field at Bryce. So maybe I misinterpreted it. I think he just mean, yeah.

Because I was thinking of that view, the Pink Cliff view that I found. Okay. Yeah, really great viewpoint. Yeah. Yeah, I'll say the crystal then because I was working in the field when I found that. Okay. Cool. Good question.

Interesting interpretation by Jeff. Okay, from Jiminy Frickett. That's the best user name so far. What's the cutest animal you've heard of that's intentionally killed a human? Huh. It's a good, good question. Yeah, I probably should have prepped you. Yeah, you probably should have.

I mean, bears are cute. I would probably say panda bears. But I don't know if they've intentionally killed anyone. Yeah. But like, maybe a greasy bear. There's got to be at least one fatality by pandas. I don't know. A poisonous frog or something, I'm sure, has killed somebody.

And those guys are pretty cute. Yeah. That's pretty good Cute Yeah I don't know if they've intentionally killed someone No kangaroos are pretty cute I'm sure kangaroos

I think grizzly bear was a good answer Okay that's fair I'm gonna I'm gonna look into it I am guessing at some point a panda Is killed a human and that's gonna If that's true That's my that's a good one Or maybe just a really cute animal

With rabies Yeah like a raccoon Yeah okay From Casey Cooks What made you guys want to start a podcast? Honestly, I, for me, I've always just been so interested in animal attacks. And I love podcasts.

I listen to podcasts all the time. And I listen to a lot of true crime ones. And I always just thought, man, someone really should do this for animals. And I thought, oh, I should do this for animals. And then I, the three of us had always talked about doing a project together. And yeah, so it worked out. Yeah, same realm. I just thought like an animal attack podcast.

Podcasts would be cool. Yeah. And I feel like we had the idea for a long time. And then finally, it's kind of like the pandemic got us to start doing it. Yeah. Yeah. I just thought it sounded like a really fun idea. I've dabbled in content creation for a few years now.

Mike had like a big Twitter thing going for video game reviews for a little bit. Was it Twitter or YouTube? YouTube is where the stuff was posted. Okay. Yeah, we'll let you guys. I'm not going to shout out the name. We'll let you guys find that if you really need to. You sluice out there can find his video game reviews.

All right. And then we have a Patreon question. Yeah. And this is from Megan. And it says, hey guys, I'm curious if you've heard of the sham sanctuary black jaguar, white tiger. Sham sanctuary. Are there other places like this that you think people should be aware of, boycott, etc? Yeah, it's white tiger, black jaguar, right?

Yeah. She had it the other way. Black Jaguar White Tiger. Okay, yeah. I have heard of it. What is it? When they first came out, I actually followed them for a minute. I think the guy lives in Mexico, and I'm pretty sure he's just really wealthy, and he's bought a ton of big cats.

But he markets himself as being a sanctuary in a place for, like, big cats that have been mistreated or whatever. Yeah. I... Carol Baskins. Yeah, not like Carol Baskins, though, because she doesn't play around with hers. He's much more like Joe Exotic. Oh, okay. He's playing with them.

He has celebrities come and take photos with them and stuff. To me, he's exploiting his animals. I don't know how well he treats him or how big their enclosures are or whatever, but it does seem like exploitation to me where it's like, come take photos, I'm going to get billions of followers and make a ton of money from this. I'm sure he loves them. I'm sure he's wild about big cats, but it doesn't seem responsible to me. Yeah, never really is a good situation.

Yeah. As far as other ones, the internet's full. Instagram especially is full of people. There's like the Antles in South Carolina that we're in the Joe Exotic documentary. And I think they're still running their sanctuary. But it's really just a photo op. And then especially when they breed cubs for people to take photos with, that's when they're especially usually pretty heinous. So not a big fan.

Most heinous. Yeah. I unfollowed him. I followed him for a second and I was like, oh, this isn't good. Yeah. All right. Well, that's it for questions. Cool.

Thanks, guys. We appreciate the questions. All right. So our next category is how are we messing things up for casuaries? So cassoaries in their global range, I think I mentioned they live in Papua, New Guinea, some of the surrounding, or maybe I didn't say this, some of the surrounding islands, and then northeastern Australia. Their global range, they're ranked as a species of least concern.

Oh, good. Which means globally they're doing okay, but in Australia, they are endangered. Only 20% of their habitat they had in Australia is currently around. So they've lost a lot of habitat. And then they also get hit pretty often by cars. That's one of their main sources of mortality. And then dog attacks and feral pigs also are a big problem for them. So there are actually fewer cassoiries now in Australia than there are giant pandas in China,

which I thought was an interesting statistic. Yeah, so there's not very many. Not many in Australia, but they are doing pretty well in Papua New Guinea. in some of their other places. All right. So our final category, we are switching up a little bit as well. We're also assigning a ranking to this

because Jeff just usually says some random number for how much he likes in him. There's someone out there that's kept track of Jeff's slowly filling in the chart. They have a chart. I'm going to keep going with this. So we are going to say how much we like this animal and we're going to rank it on a scale of one to ten claws.

So I'll go first. Cassowries are one of my favorite birds. They were the bird I picked in the March Madness tournament. So I'm going to give them seven and a half claws. Oh, out of ten. Okay. Yeah. So this episode's made me really come around hard on the cassowary.

Yeah. It's never a fun. You love a bully. Exactly. It's never fun when an animal kills. It's sad and it's tragic that that has happened. But I do like it when animals act. Not animalistic because animals.

It's not like animals are just. violent kind of presence on planet Earth. But I do like it when animals do kind of push their weight around a little bit. Yeah, they're not back. They're fight not healthy. Their fight not flight. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So I'm going to give them, I think I'll give them a seven. Seven. What is it, claws? Cuths and claws. We'll just go Clause to make it easy. I'm going to give it a four claws. Okay.

Interesting. I don't know. I think they're cool. Yeah. But like just compared to it. other animals. I don't like them as much, even compared to other birds. When I go to a zoo and they have a cassowary, it's typically one of the animals I'm most

excited to see. I would like to see, yeah. But yeah, I'm going to rank it like 708. Okay. This episode made me like them a lot more. Learning the thing about the seeds and then also the noise that they make, it just was really cool. And then the weird sex stuff too was interesting.

I really like them. I think, Mike, with your point where you said, you know, anyone that died. by an animal is tragic. Totally agree. The 2019 one especially was very tragic to me. It's sad. It is sad. Yeah.

Okay. Well, that's it for our cassowary episode. A lot of you have recommended castorries for subjects for the podcast. So I hope you guys are happy. You got what you want. Shut up. Yeah. No.

We should do another one. Yeah. At some point, if another cassowary attack happens. We've pretty much hit all of them now. But if anyone wants to go out there and get attacked by, by a cassware. Just leave giant piles of fruit out in Australia. It's bound to happen.

And then go squat down next to them. All right. Thanks, guys. We will talk to you soon. See you guys. See you. Bye. Okay, that's it for this week's episode.

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