Tooth & Claw: True Stories of Animal Attacks - Defying Death with the Help of a Sea Creature

Episode Date: November 6, 2023

Jeff tells the story of one young man's close brush with death and the unlikely hero that saved him. Content warning, this episode contains talk of sensitive topics, including suicide. If you are struggling with these kinds of thoughts, please reach out to someone for help, or call the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988. We love you all! ~~ To advertise on the show, contact us! ~~ Tooth & Claw is brought to you by QCODE. Support the show and get access to an extensive library of exclusive episodes like this by supporting the show on Patreon or joining the Grizzly Club on Apple Podcasts. For the latest updates on the show and all things wildlife, follow us at toothandclawpod.com and social:  Instagram: @ToothandClawPodcast Twitter: @ToothandClawPod Wes: @GrizKid Jeff: @jefe_larson Mike: @mikey3ds Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome back to Tooth and Claw Podcast. We got our wildlife biologist and my old. older brother, Wes Larson, with us. That's me. Big Wes Larson. What's he ever done? Not much. He's great.

No, he's done. He's done more than... He has! More than 10 men. He almost didn't make it this time, but we're glad to have you here. Yeah, I mean, you almost just had me and Mike go without you. Parents are gone for the weekend type of this situation. I'm at the end of the world.

I'm in like southern Patagonia in Chile. I was in Tierra del Fuego a couple days ago. I'm, I'm like... That means land of fire for all you out there. Yeah, all you non-Spanish speakers. I'm like 8,000 miles away from you guys. You're looking particularly Chileanly cuddleable with your alpaca little sweater on? I bought a Guernaco sweater.

Yeah. It's cute. And I'm just, I got the Torres del Pini behind me. There's a Guanaco in my photo right there. If you ever can't make it on, I have a real crazy episode planned. You're just going to go off the rails. Yeah. I was going to say it'd be kind of fun for you guys to do an episode where it's like,

Dad's Gone. Yeah. We're doing whatever we want. You're going to regret it if we ever do. Trust me. All right. I'm glad I'm here. Me and I'm glad you're here too.

Same. And then we also have our producer, Mike, and I'm Jeff Larson. Yeah, Wes has been doing some burden looking at Kupumas. We'll probably talk about that a bit at the end of the episode. Me and Mike just went to watch his beloved L.A. Chargers, which was fun. The Sofi Stadium, it's like, for those who don't know, it's like the most expensive stadium ever. So the Las Vegas one, when they finished it in like 2000 or 2001 was the most expensive one. one ever at like uh two billion and then when they finished so far a year later it was five billion

wow and l a la was like that's nothing yeah yeah but it honestly it is really cool like it's a sweet stadium and what they put all those billions in are they're jewels he and mike dressed up because i told him a lot of people yeah there's it's just made a gold yeah okay solid gold i told mike everyone would be dressed up and like maybe one percent of people were dressed up yeah i don't regret it though i'm glad no it's fun and then the next day we went to dizzineland which i hadn't been in like over a decade for sure so the star wars land is awesome oh man and mike told me like mike told me that star wars land there's just the one ride and it's just like this VR ride where like it's really cool like you go like you're in the millennium falcon but then the ride it's

was so stupid. It was just this VR ride where like there's two pilots, two gunners and two engineers. And me and Mike were the engineers. And the lady told us, oh, you have the most important job. And she was definitely lying. We pushed like four buttons. Yeah, that ride sucks. Yeah. And that is the worst job on it. You guys, so you guys didn't do the good ride, rise of the resistance. We did. Well, okay, so we're like, we're walking by these workers and they're like, hey, come on this ride. It just opened and Mike's like, what the hell? That's not possible. We already did the only ride in Star Wars Land. Yeah, he's and editorializing a little, but sure. And I'm like, well, I think we should trust the workers here, Mike. And he's like, no, I promise they're lying. But we went through and there's

just the longest open, it would have been the longest line ever, right? But we're just cruising and through it all. We're the first group in. And then we get on like this little spaceship shuttle thing. And it's like another VR thing going on. And the first one already made me a little sick. So I'm just like, you got to be kidding me. We can't just, it's a whole Star Wars land that looks so cool.

It's just like two VR rides. Motion rides is what they call those. Sure. And then like the door in the little shuttle thing opens. And it just felt like we were on a, what are they? Star Destroyer. Yeah, that ride's amazing. There was like so many stormtroopers everywhere.

Yeah. Then they're like bossing us around and I want to get all snappy with them. And then we're like in a cart and it's just like the most impressive thing ever. And we had no idea that that was going to happen. That ride's great. You guys need to go with me sometime because me and Jesse go once a year. And I've gotten really good at Disneyland with the whole G-E thing. Okay.

You were saying you hadn't been to the two-term. It had a ride where it feels like you're like in a cartoon that I really liked. We'll check it out next time. It's a lot like the Star Wars ride, actually, where you're like not on a track. But I don't know. I'll probably wait another decade before I go back. Fair enough. No, I'll go with you every day if you want.

You're invited. I can't, I don't know how people can do like 15 hours there. I was so tired. Mike could, Mike was like, I'm in it till the parade if you want, but I had to call it. Oh, yeah. I can do two days in a row at like 12, 12, 15 hours. I love it there. That place has been designed to make you happy. Like every single detail has been thought of to make you happy. And I know that Disney is like a soulless corporation when it actually boils down to it.

But Disneyland is fun. It's been designed to be fun. And it just is. We got some juice at the Star Wars Land. I got juice. It was great. It was the worst juice I've ever. The milk. You got the milk stuff. Pure sugar. No.

Oh. It's juice. Okay. But it was for it. But they gave me a Coke after. So I was like, yeah. He traded it in. Also, Mike's not lying when he is like saying he thinks the sun's overrated.

Just so you know. I know. We were driving and he was yelling at the sun for being in his eyes. Did you see what it was doing? Not at my car for like not blocking it out It's like he was mad at the actual son Yeah, it's freaking stupid No part of me ever thought he was exaggerating

I guess I was wrong All right Well let's get to the story Which I'm actually going to start out With more just life update stuff this time And yeah we should note Jeff's leading the episode. Yeah, this is a Jeff episode.

Yep, it's a Jeff episode. We wanted to give me a little break. So Jeff's leading it. And let's just say to like if you're what, what's that saying like you're only as strong as your weakest link? Yeah. So like tooth and claws is not going to be a top podcast after this anymore. Maybe like a top thousands. Yeah.

Yeah. No, but I don't know. I think it's interesting. But I want to first tell you, like, what brought me to plan the episode that I planned today. And so, like, listeners know that recently I got a colonoscopy. I'd been, like, dealing with a lot of diarrhea forever, honestly. But also, recently, I don't know, I've just had a lot of big personal things going on in my life. I've had, like, some issues with depression and anxiety.

So I went and saw a psychiatrist. and like they were just listing all these different things about like asking me health-wise and they asked if I have diarrhea and I was like yeah they're like have you seen a gastroologist I think that's how you say it gastroenterologist gastroenter yeah yeah I knew I was missing some vows and I was like no I don't even know what you just said but then like after that meeting I just looked one up and called left a message And then, like, a day or two later, they called and were like, hey, do you want to come in for a colonoscopy in, like, two days? So I was like, I guess.

And I get there and the doctor was kind of like, wait, so you're here as like a 34-year-old just because you have diarrhea? Like, why didn't you, like, try a diet or, like, try medicine? I was just like, I don't know. You guys, like, told me to come here. Yeah. But anyways, I ended up having two polyps, like, large polyps. and it's crazy like when I woke up from the anesthesia the doctor told me I just saved your life and I was really confused because I was on anesthesia so I was like what did you just say like are you

joking he's like no I just saved your life like you had two polyps and I didn't even know what a polyp was and then he just like left and that's the last time I saw him so it's really wild Did he take the polyps? By him, yeah. I assume he threw him away. Because I'm thinking maybe he just like was saying that so you would give him a good tip or something. But I don't know. Yeah, did you show you the polyps?

They sent me pictures of it. Oh, okay. But it could have just been from Google. No, that's scary. That's like, that's really serious. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and like, would you guys characterize me as a proactive person?

No. It's not one of my qualities. No, right. So to get a colonoscopy at 34 just is very, it's kind of crazy that I even got one. Because I mean, I'm the type of person. I don't go to hospitals unless I absolutely have to. It just all kind of happened. So it's been weird for me.

Like, I feel like this is what kind of should have killed me or at least really come close to it. Yeah. So I've been, I guess I've been thinking about that a lot recently. Do you think it's going to be like one of those final destination movies now where death's just going to hunt you? It's like this is how you should have. Yeah, probably.

Yeah. Well, I feel like it will probably skip me and go for you guys first is how it normally works. Yeah, but I was in Chile. I mean, I involved you though. Yeah, you're right. That's true. Don't feel bad if I die in like a car accident. It was your fault, but don't feel bad.

I won't. Okay. Actually, yeah, I will. This episode is brought to you by Netflix. Most valuable promotions in Netflix are hosting a blockbuster triple headliner Saturday, May 16th. Rhonda Rousey returns to face fellow woman's MMA pioneer Gina Carrano in the main event. Plus co-main's Nate Diaz versus Mike Perry. And the best heavy weight in the world, Francesing Ganu.

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I promise, but it's going to be a little bit of an adventure getting there and this episode will involve some stories of suicide Like I said, I've dealt with depression. I still have it. I've dealt with loss of religion in my life and different things that have caused me to have, you know, some dark thoughts. And I think that it's important to be able to talk about it. I'm glad that I'm able to tell you listeners who I love about it. And if anyone's dealing with those, you can call or text 988 for help. Also, go see a therapist or a psychologist. I've seen one. I'm on. medication that's really helped me with my anxiety. But yeah, it's okay to talk about being suicidal or having depression and there's nothing to be ashamed of for that. And I just want to say that before we get into any of this that, you know, we're going to be talking about some serious things here.

And I just want to say, like, we love all you listeners too. So, you know, it's important to have, we know that you guys care about animals, you care about the environment. And it's just important to have you here part of the world. But anyways, I'm going to talk a little bit right now about the Golden Gate Bridge. So when it was built, the Golden Gate Bridge in the Bay Area, it's by San Francisco. Well, it's in San Francisco. So it spans 4,200 feet. And when it was built, it was the longest suspension bridge in the world. It held this record for 25 years, until it was broken in 1964 by the Verrazino Bridge in New York City, and now the Akashi Kikayo Bridge in Japan holds the title.

So, why am I talking about bridges? Between 1937 and 2012, an estimated 1,400 bodies were recovered of people who have jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge, located in San Francisco. But in 2013, 118 potential jumpers were talked down from their attempts. But an estimated about 30 to 40 people still jumped that year. And they stopped taking count as much because it got kind of crazy. Like the 500th person who jumped had the number 500 on a shirt. It like became like they were thinking, yeah, they were thinking like, you know, counting.

might have made the situation worse. So the deck of the bridge is about 245 feet above the water. The fall lasts about four seconds. Jumpers hit the water at 75 miles an hour. That's 120 kilometers an hour. Most of the jumpers died due to impact trauma, but about 5% of the jumpers survive the initial impact, but then they generally drowned or died of hypothermia in the cold water.

Because there is rigid water there. Yeah. I know this is like, it's kind of like a little taboo. But to me, it was always been like kind of crazy that that many people pick the Golden Gate Bridge is their means of doing that because there is that big of a margin for error. Like you're jumping into water. Yeah. It just seems like odd to me that that would be your choice when there's like a decent chance, not a good chance, but like there's a chance that you're going to be. to survive, which sucks.

Yeah. Sure. Yeah, I think it just kind of snowballed. Like, the media talked about it so much. It was the number one spot for, like, suicides in the world for a long time and then a bridge in China past it. I know. It kind of goes hand in hand with the counting statistics and how that might have prompted

people, other people who may otherwise not have had those, you know, ideations come to minds, but you hear about, like, the forest in Japan. It's just, it seems like those kinds of actions inspire copycat behavior, copycat like behavior. And it's really interesting psychologically. I don't mean to be like clinical about it, but it's just a really, really interesting phenomenon to me. Sad, of course. No, if you want to know more, it's the Akaya Horror Forest in Japan. I said that wrong for sure.

Yeah, just look at Logan Paul's YouTube if you want. Don't look at. speak of it. No, I'm obviously, you know, I bring humor into dark topics. That's my role. But yeah, don't do that. But yeah, it is. There's actually been studies too.

Like, there was, so forever they resisted putting preventative measures on the Golden Gate Bridge for suicides. Because like a lot of the thought was just like, these people are already suicidal. they're just going to do it some other way. But there's like a lot of research and study that says that that's actually not true and that a lot of these people have a plan and like they need something like this to create that plan. And with preventative measures, a lot of times they end up not going through with it.

But the fatality rate of jumping is roughly 98%. And as of July 2013, when they stopped taking record, after that, 34 people are of known to survive the jump. Wow. Those who do survive strike the water feet first and at a slight angle, although individuals may still sustain broken bones and internal injuries. How far is the fall? 245 feet. Okay.

That's pretty far. What's the highest cliff you've jumped, West? Like 70. Yeah, I think that's about me. And it was too high. Like that was too much for me Well and one thing I didn't realize until like really way too recently for how many cliffs I've jumped If it's smooth water

It hurts so much worse than if it has that surface tension Yeah the professional cliff jumpers like throw a rock before they jump to give themselves a target and to break the surface They have the world record high divers would have a hose in the little pool they jump in Just breaking the surface tense. That's interesting. Those videos are insane. And they always flip and stuff. Yeah, they love doing little flicks.

So we're going to get sad here, people. One woman Sarah Burnebam survived but returned to jump again right after and died the second time. Oh, man. One young man survived a jump in 1979, swam to shore, and drove himself to a hospital. The impact cracks several of his vertebrae. There's some very twisted, dark stories if you get into it, some fathers who've like killed kids off of it. There's murders involved with it. One that's more famous that I remember hearing from the social network, the David Fitcher movie, is Roy Raymond. So do you guys know who that is? Roy Raymond. No.

It was August 26th, 1993, and he was the founder of Victoria's Secret. Oh, wow. Yeah. I should know that name. Yeah. Did you know, Jeff? I just, well, I didn't know his name, but I knew, I remember in social network they talk about. They tell his story.

Yeah. But yeah, like, pretty much he, like, created this super successful company, but he was, I mean, he just didn't. do the right business moves and he kept trying to create other companies. Nothing worked out for him. So, like, he's one of the more famous ones. In March 19, 2003, Paul Aldeen Alarab. He died protesting the Iran war. There was also one in 2011.

This is a survivor, so we'll get out of this dark, mucky stuff. Sorry about that. Did I lose the thread there? What happened with the Victoria's Secret guy? Yeah, I mean, he just, he founded it. But you know the movie The Founder with McDonald's? Yeah. It's like kind of one of those situations where like someone else came in and they're like what made Victoria's Secret super successful.

Okay. But he like needed the help unlike the McDonald's guys. He had like run it bankrupt and he had like five stores. So like he kind of knew this guy was going to screw him over. but the guy gave him a million dollars for it. And then he used that million dollars in some other ideas he had that like didn't work. And then he ended up getting divorced and jumped off. Yeah.

So then there was one, it's not, I mean, I don't know, it's maybe a little funny because he survived. But on March 10, 2011, a 17-year-old, Louis Otter Villa Gomez. He survived the jump, but he said that his attempt was for fun and not suicide. So he just like saw 245 feet and thought. And just thought I could do it. Yeah. All right. I'm glad he needed to throw.

Proved himself right. Yeah, exactly. All right. So now, well, I guess it's still a little crazy here, but I promise it will end uplifting. So we're going to talk about Kevin Hines when he was 19. He was born with a brother, or like he had a brother. I didn't look too much into this because there wasn't a lot of detail, but their parents were both alcoholic. And they had to like give up their kids when he was only one year old.

So he was adopted when he's like nine months old. Right. And when he was 16, he started to struggle with. a bipolar disorder, he stopped taking a certain, he was on a medication to help with epileptic seizures, all like his childhood, and he was taken off that drug. And that's when the symptoms of bipolar disorder really started to affect him. And then in high school, his drama teacher also committed suicide. So that was very strongly in his mind. So when he is 19, he wrote a suicide note, he went up to his dad and like just told him that he loved him and he said that he

wanted to tell him like, listen, I'm not okay mentally, but he had voices in his head screaming at him like, don't say anything like, this is your destiny, you just like have to go. And he took a bus to the Golden Gate Bridge. He had a note telling his siblings that they were going to do great in life, telling his mom and dad that he loved him. He went to the bridge. He walked down. He said he was waiting for anyone to tell him anything to, you know, change his mind. A lady asked for him to take a picture of her.

Now in like retrospect, he thought like maybe that was someone trying to help me. But at the time he just was like, no one cares. Like there's no hope for me. Like no one, no one cares, right? Right. So he jumped off. and he went head first. And as he's going down, he decides, I want to live.

This was a mistake. And he changes his body in the air. He has four seconds to work with, right? Sure. And gets it where his feet are pointed down and he falls in a sitting position. Then he claims that he went down 70 feet, that the current took, sucked him under after he hit the water. he couldn't use his legs to stay afloat, but he swam with his arms as hard as he could to get back to the surface of water with that one breath that he still had in his lungs. So then he's able to get to the surface of water, he gets that breath of air, and he realizes he can't really stay afloat without the use of his legs.

He starts thinking, I'm going to die. Everyone's going to think I wanted to die when I actually want to live now. and then as he's struggling to stay above the surface, a shark comes and starts bumping in. What? No way. Yeah. And he can't believe it. He's just like, this is impossible.

I just want to live. And the shark ends up keeping them, like bumping them up towards the surface of the water over and over and over. And then the Coast Guard comes. So we'll come back to that. Don't worry, Wes. I know you got some questions. Yeah. Yeah.

He's on a... I'm immediately dubious. Sure. So, then he says that he shattered his T-12, L-1, and L-2 lower vertebrae, like broken glass, lacerating him internally. He missed severing his spinal cord by two millimeters. And he was rushed to the hospital. one of the foremost back surgeons in the West Coast was leaving as he entered and he decided like I guess I better stay a little bit late. Did the back surgery, it was the first of its kind and I guess it's in all the medical journals about like this was a monumental thing.

So just crazy that all of this happened for him to live. Right? So then he goes on ABC's prime time with John, I don't know how to say names, John Quinonez. Okay. And he tells his story about, like, his survival story. He became a motivational speaker. He really helped people with, like, suicide. So he's on ABC primetime, right?

tells his story. They get all these emails in response to it. And one of the emails was from someone who watched named Morgan who said, hey, I was there. I was five feet away from you when you jumped off the bridge. I never knew if you survived or not. I'm so glad you survived. Also, it wasn't a shark.

It was a sea lion. I have proof in these pictures. Wow. Yeah. So then Kevin said, well, please send me these pictures and accidentally gave the guy his father's email. So then his father, without expecting it, just got these pictures of Kevin just lifeless with a sea lion under him. And I guess it was really horrific for his dad. Yeah, I'm sure. He ended up seeing the picture. It was pretty traumatic for him too because he just looked.

dead in the pictures. Yeah. But there's a sea lion keeping them up. Wait, so she took him up on the bridge, like 200-something feet away? Did she have like a huge telephone lines? I think it's a man named Morgan. Oh, okay. Yeah, I guess.

Wow. I don't know. All right. Cool. I hesitate to ask, but are those pictures available to, like, the public? He said that he just, like, hated seeing himself that way and decided to delete him. That makes sense. Totally fair.

Yeah. But yeah, I mean, there's like, there was, like, eyewitnesses who said there was a sea lion, and I think it was backed up by other people. That makes more sense than a shark. That's for sure. For sure. Yeah. Heroic sea lion.

But, yeah, that was what was interesting is, like, he was telling his story for the first, I don't know, eight or so years saying that this shark kept him above water somehow. And he was, like, trying to punch the shark, but he had brought up. broken back and I think he was really struggling to do anything. But yeah, like he thought it was a shark until this, he went on ABC and this person sent him proof that it was a sea lion. That's so crazy. Wow.

Yeah. And then I just wanted to say for him real quick that he's won a lot of awards for his activism work. So the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, Lifesaver of the Year award, mental Health America, the Clifford Whittingham Beers Award, Young Minds Advocacy, Mental Health Campaign, No Stigmas Hears Award, National Council Committee Behavior, Healthcare, Lifetime Achievement Award, San Francisco Police Department, what, commendation award. Was the award we won, Mike?

listeners choice something for road trips road trip yeah he didn't get that one that's good enough yeah well we've done we're pretty much there the war no but he he's been really instrumental in i mean yeah it's awesome it's too bad that he had to come that close to death to figure out he wanted to live and like that's not that's not the solution that we should be looking for but it's really great what he's turned his life into. Yeah, that really struck me when you were telling the story and after he jumped, he realized in that moment when there was no other choice he could be making that he actually wanted to be alive still, you know?

Yeah. And it just makes you think like how many other people in that same situation were thinking those same thoughts but didn't get as lucky as he did, you know? It's funny you say that because that's what I was about to say is like I think they've done interviews on people that have survived these kind of attempts. And there's a like a really large percentage of them say that that they after jumping like immediately regretted the decision and wanting to live. There's a there's an old documentary called the bridge and one of the subjects of that documentary. He said, I realized after I had jumped that I could undo every single decision

in my life and go back and make it better except for this decision. You know? Yeah. And it's like, I don't know, it's just a really powerful sentiment that. It's funny you say that. Kevin's like one of the main people in the bridge documentary. So it could even be Kevin that you're quoting. Oh, wow.

That's so crazy because I don't, maybe they did bring up the fact that it was a shark or a sea lion. Who knows back when it was made. Yeah. What they knew. But that's, that'd be really crazy if it was the same person. No, but yeah. And of the 34 survivors, like they all. said not every single one of them but i think pretty much all of them said that they

like regretted it as soon as they made the decision and then of those two only five have made like a full recovery like kevin has wow yeah so any questions about that no okay sea line way to go sea line it reminds me a lot of the mother's day episode where the snorkeler got lost and the sea lions helped her stay afloat, she said. It was like a woman with their family and she was out swimming and they, yeah, they like pushed her to the surface. Starting a business can seem like a daunting task unless you have a partner like Shopify. They have the tools you need to start and grow your business. From designing a website to marketing to selling and beyond, Shopify can help with everything you need.

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but also I wanted to do... It's just a short one. Like, that was my main story. It was the Golden Gate Bridge. You know? I stared death in the eyes just like Kevin is where I'm going with it. Your polyps?

Yeah. Yeah, I see. You really brought it all together. Instead of a sea lion nudging you to the surface, it was a doctor giving you a colonoscopy. Is my diarrhea. My frequent diarrhea. I told you diarrhea is good. So now I got seven slippery sea lion facts.

All right. This better be slippery or else I'm going to take you to task. They can swim 70 miles. Wow. Whoa, that's fast. Or wait, did I say 70? Yeah. Yeah. They can swim 30 miles per hour. I was gonna say that makes them like the fastest thing in the ocean. I wrote 30. I have no idea how my brain went there. You were a little slippery on that one. Underwater, their nostrils stay closed until they need to breathe in once they get back to the surface, making it easier for them to swim. Some species can dive an incredible 300, or 984 feet down and hold their breath for up to 20 minutes. Wes, how deep did that Titanic submarine get before it imploded? It was deeper than that, but that's pretty deep still.

But honestly, elephant seals, someday we'll talk about them, they dive like six times more. They get dive almost a mile down into the ocean. That's nothing. crazy. Yeah. Yeah. And they sleep suspended in the water column. Anyway, we don't need to get in elephant seals.

Did they plug their nostrils now? Incredible. Yeah. But they can plug their nostrils too. Number three. Theoretically, a sea lion could remain on land indefinitely if it didn't need to return to the water to feed. But most sea lions only stay on land for extended period of time for special reasons,

like breeding, rearing young, or molting. So it can't stay on land indefinitely. Well, it theoretically could. But it doesn't. No, they can't. Right. Right. So, okay.

That's true. Like, yeah, theoretically. No, I'm not taking you. I could stay in a McDonald's ball pit for the rest of the life, but I don't. Well, like, the point is that they don't, like, water doesn't keep them alive. Like, a lot of sea animals, if they're on the land, they would end up dying, right? Which means they did. stay there indefinitely, I mean, until they died.

So technically, it's all, you know, true. Dominant males have been known to stay out of the water for up to 27 days during breeding season in order to defend their territory, while females will remain on land for 10 days or so after giving birth. On the other hand, sea lions can actually stay in the water for up to two weeks. So that's pretty interesting. Yeah, it is. That's a long time to stay in the water. They must get super pruney. That's what the facts said, and I edited it out.

All right. You what? You heard. Yeah, I did. The Galapagos sea lions are known to hunting groups, corraling or shepherding their prey into the shallows to make it easier to feed. They seemingly reserve this behavior for hunting tuna, which because of their sands.

size and strength would normally be incredibly difficult for the sea lions to predate. Okay. That's cool. Tuna big tuna. Yeah. Number five. Those New Jersey guys thought of tuna might have been the thing responsible for those shark attacks. Yeah.

Do you know what's crazy about tuna I learned recently is they have like a really high mercury count or whatever it is? Yeah, we should stop eating them. Yeah. I don't know how the mercury factors into there. The planet? Is that what they're talking about? Let's just keep going. Yeah, just keep going.

Yeah, that's number one of your seven tuna facts. What are the next ones? Floppy tuna facts. They have a... They're actually not chicken. They have a varied seafood diet of small prey such as herring, anchovies, crab, and squid, sea lion spearfish using... I don't know why it says spearfish, but...

34 to 80... or 34 to 38 sharp teeth and shift through the reefs using their whiskers. They swallow up their meals whole and can eat up to 40 pounds a day. Yeah, spear fishing because their teeth are sharp. Yeah. What's your source on these facts? It was from a blog. All right.

They consume up to 8% of their own body weight in food per day. Oh. All right. Not as cool as a sloth pooping one-third of its body weight. Seals versus Sealions. We've talked about this a little before, but I'm going to do it again. While both species belong to the pinniped order of marine animals, the most noticeable difference is that seals can't walk on land.

Instead, they bounce along, known as glumping. Sealions, however, can walk, even run on all four flippers. Sealions also have external ear flaps, which true seals don't have. And then my last fact is they live pretty much everywhere in the oceans except for the northern Atlantic. And it's kind of confusing why they don't live there because there would be enough food for them

and it's a temperature that they can survive it. Probably just fishing boats and stuff. I saw my first South American sea lions this week. Oh. How'd they compare it? plus southern elephant seals and fur seals. All right. So before my quick little sea lion story, too,

I wanted to do our billion dollar bet of how many species can Wes name in 10 seconds. So. Ooh, it's been a while. Nice. So there's seven total types. One of them went extinct. There's six existing types.

And me and Mike are betting a billion dollars. I'll set the line. at four and a half Mike you can take the over or under how many seconds does he have 10 over

okay ready set go California sea lion stellar sea lion South American sea lion Galapago sea lion thanks Jeff New Zealand

Stop sea lion there is New Zealand sea lion. I don't think he's not it. That was four and a half. I got that. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I think we're drunk. Because he said half of it. So I think neither of us win. There's an Australian sea lion, New Zealand sea lion, South American sea lion. Japanese sea lion is the extinct one. Okay. Good job, Wes. Yeah. Thanks.

Which one's the biggest, Wes? Stellar. Nice. They can get to 2,500 pounds. Wow. They're massive. Yeah. All right. So real quick, one story, a 13-year-old surfer was injured in a sea lion attack. This happened by Perth, Australia.

It was in April 2007. So it said a sea lion leapt out of the sea like a white pointer, which is a shark, right? That's a great white, yeah. Great White and sunk its teeth into the neck of a 13-year-old girl as she was towed on a surfboard behind a speedboat in Australia. Witnesses said yesterday. It wasn't yesterday, obviously. So let's not say that. In Australia.

Ella Murphy suffered a broken jaw and cuts to her throat in the incident off of Lansing, 80 miles north of the Western Australia State Capitol, Perth. She also lost three teeth and was reported to be in a stable condition at the Princess Margaret Hospital. How is she going to spearfish for french fries and stuff after? She got spearmish by the seal. So I'm not going to say this for sure, but I'm almost positive that I shared this story during our Pinnipet episode. But I might not have. I remember all those specific details. But it could have been a story that I didn't share.

My bad. But if we're doubling up, you know, it's a good enough story. Our first double up. Wes lets me lead an episode and I just tell the same stories. Make a story we've already said. But you did it. Last time, though, I think. You were like, wait until I tell it.

A year and a half later. Wes asked me to do one story while he's on vacation. I just talk about suicide and a story Mike already did. Seriously. All right. Well, that's all I got. Wait, I've got something real quick. Oh, perfect.

Thank you. Guess which famous pop star was attacked by a sea lion? I'll give you a clue. It's a woman and she's not from the U.S. And we've talked about her before when another animal attacked her. Oh, who was it with the purse? Yeah. Wild boars.

Yeah. Was it? Shakira? Shakira. Yeah. Whoa. She's a... Shakira also got attacked by sea lions in South Africa.

No way. And she thinks that they mistook... It was in 2012 and she had a Blackberry phone. And she thought they mistook her phone for a fish. So they, like, chased her down. So don't hang out around Shakira. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah. Most, like, most the time, it seems like, like sea lions are pretty playful with humans and they're really, I mean, they can be dangerous, but like even the one in the Australia attack, like one of the scientists in the area said it's crazy that that happened and they were wondering if the sea lion was just trying to play. Yeah. I mean, we've spent, I've spent hours and hours and hours swimming with sea lions and snorkeling with them and like they warn you. When they're upset, they almost always let you know. that they're upset. And what it usually is is like the male, he kind of makes a perimeter to show you where your boundary is. And if you're too close, like he'll charge in and show you. But it's almost always the males that do that or like the sub-adult males do it probably more than anyone. And you just need to pay attention to the animal and be careful. But they are, I mean, they're a big animal and they have really sharp teeth and they can do some damage. So make sure to give them the appropriate amount of respect.

Yeah. I would put them in the category with like black bears, grizzly bears, and polar bears. Where it's like, yeah, I know they're dangerous, but they're a little too cute for me to take them seriously. You don't take polar bears and grizzly bears seriously? They're too cute. Yeah, the Coke. When they're on those Coke commercials, you're like, those guys, you're like, we couldn't hurt a fly. This is one of those episodes where I'm like, man, these guys haven't. We've been doing this for three years and they haven't learned a single thing.

Just like, I better not miss an episode anytime soon. I can't ever not be here. I have to be here every time. Oh, man. You should have heard without you, though. That would have been good. I'm just jealous you guys went to Disneyland without me. Yeah.

You're going to try that cartoon ride, man. All right. I'll do it. I'll go. I'll do it. Okay. We gotta just go and it's cloudy so Mike doesn't have to look at the sun. You should have seen it, Wes.

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So let's move into categories. So I don't know if we, really have anything for this, but I want to just ask, do you guys have a favorite pop culture sea lion? I thought of one. It's not a good answer. Grabs that little girl and pulls her in the water real quick. Yeah, that's a great answer.

There's this movie, in the mid-90s, I feel like they're really cranking out just like terrible kids' movies that still made a ton of money because there just wasn't stuff for kids to watch back then. So we just saw everything. Like, we did. Like, every movie that came out, I would end up. seeing because it was like a new movie and there's this one called Andre and it was like a sea lion that like dresses like a person oh yeah and it the main girl was the girl from napoleon dynamite

like deb his love interest yeah um a terrible movie but i watched it so i guess i'll pick that sea lion maybe the one at the hogo zoo that we fed fish too yeah i like that sea line i don't i don't think could be like a pop culture sea lion though yeah all i could think of was a culture Pokemon sure what says Pokemon i don't even know it's got like a little bib on it's like pop lino poplimo something i don't know i don't it feels fake yeah there's not even a one piece sea lion that's crazy favorite bridge just what's your favorite bridge real bridge right yeah so i'm going with the Poncha train Causeway down in Louisiana. I remember the first time, so it's the longest overwater bridge in the world, or at least it was

back when we were living there. And I remember the first time we drove across it. No one really told me to like expect anything interesting or abnormal. So we just hit this bridge and it's so long that like when you're in the middle of it, depending on the day, you can't see either side of where you came from or where you're going. So you're just like on this super long low bridge over the water for just like a half an hour. It's crazy. But it's really cool.

It feels kind of magical to just kind of be out there in the middle of the water kind of feeling like you're in the middle of the ocean or something. It's really, really interesting. That is cool. I'm going to be basic. And I'm just going to say the Brooklyn Bridge in New York. It's like really fun to walk across. It's a beautiful view of the city. I like the neighborhoods on either side.

I just think it's like a really nice New York experience is to walk the Brooklyn Bridge. If you're, you know, I don't know if like local New Yorkos do that, but I like, I do it as a tourist. Yeah. So I enjoy it. So that's going to be my pick. I have really good book about it for you, Wes. All right. By McCola.

You guys made fun of me for reading it when we, like, three years ago. But I'll have the last laugh when you think it's interesting. Okay. Mine's probably even more basic, and it's probably just Golden Gate Bridge. Both of ours are in the top Instagram structures and top 10 Instagram structures, Wes. Do you have like a favorite, like a scene, like Georgia the Jungle when he is up on the Gold? That's probably your pick, right, when Georgia the Jungle is swinging around. That'll be our next category.

Oh, okay. No, I mean, the one I would think of is maybe the Planned. The United of the Yates, the first of the new ones. More than George of the jungle? That's a good scene. Huge fight is at the end. Yeah. Yeah, like that.

The gorilla, like, chucks a helicopter off the bridge. It's great. Yeah. But I also wanted to mention the Pittsburgh bridge for the Pittsburgh Pirates play. That yellow bridge looks really cool. And I had another one, but I forgot. But I wanted to mention it. Yeah.

Okay. All right. So next we'll do Favorite Bridge in pop culture. I'm picking the bridge. We've already referenced this before on the podcast. I'm picking the bridge fight scene in Arcane League of Legends.

Oh. I think we maybe brought this up more than once even. It's such a good scene though. And just like really, really a fun show. A show I think about a lot. So that's what I'm picking for my bridge scene. pop culture. I like that one. The Denzel Curry track playing over it. Oh. It's great. It's so sick. I'm gonna go watch it right now. Hold on, Jeff. All right. Jeff,

what's yours? I'm not waiting for me to watch the same. You know, I'm just gonna go fast five when they have the safe on the bridge and they swing it into all the cars. Yeah. There's a couple of good bridge scenes in that movie. Mamoa, I guess, was on in one of the cars. somehow. Oh yeah. That's his origin story. But yeah, I mean, there's a lot. I thought about the Dark Night Rises. There's a good bridge. I wanted to do the bus and speed, but it didn't quite count as a bridge

when it jumps. Yeah, it was like finished. What's that 47 bridges movie? That's got 47. That's pretty good. 16 bridges? 16. Was it that? Okay, I'm grossly overstating how many bridges, I guess, are in New York. I love that move. So I have a lot of bridges, but I think I narrowed it down to the good,

the bad, and the ugly, when, like, the war scene near the end of the film, when he Clinton. Isn't it 21 bridges? 21. I think you're 21 Jump Street. I was thinking of 16 blocks. No, with Chadwick Bozeman.

Yeah, it's 21 bridges. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you, Mike. No, it's all good. One Jump Street. Yeah, you're right, Mike. So good back. and the ugly Clint Eastwood, Tucco, they're pretending to be soldiers and they blow up the bridge. It's kind of great. I love that movie. It's all the way great. I don't need to qualify it with any

kind ofs or sort of. It's awesome. Yeah. But special shout out, Bridge of Cosa Doom. Feel like we'd be remiss to not bring that out. How did we not pick that? And then my deep cut is Bridge Four from Wave Kings. All right. Stormlight archives. Read it. Yeah. I try. Enjoy it. Okay, so this one, I'm just going to say, most impactful pop culture of someone taking their own life. I have one yesterday that was crazy watching The Omen, where like his first nanny hung herself and that one was like crazy. I don't know if this category is even going to make the main episode,

but let's see how it goes. That's a crazy scene. That's like when that movie really ramps up. I love you, Damien. Yeah. I guess I wasn't thinking of a movie so much as like a person in real life. Oh, sure. Which is, yeah.

So I picked, I think yours is better, like doing it from a movie scene. It's not quite as real. Do you want Mike to go and then you can think? I don't know if I'm really going to choose mine. No, I'll just say who mine is and then Mike can go, whichever way he wants. Sure. For me it was Kurt Cobain.

Like, I just feel like that was right when I was starting to get into that kind of music. Like, when he did that, like I was starting to like adult music and I liked grunge. And then just now as it, like, I didn't really care for it that much back then. But now as I got older, I really did a lot. And looking back, I just think Nirvana was going to change. the world in a lot more ways than they did. And so it was like a tragic loss. But if you want a pop culture one, you could do Bruce Willis and the end of Armageddon

when he makes Ben Affleck go back in the rocket. Just throwing that out there for you. Yeah. Yeah. Let me think. I'll think of a different one. Or Bruce Willis at the end of Looper when technically he, well, is that a spoiler? It's too soon.

Looper's old enough. He does kind of kill, he does kill himself. Which is, with an interesting little twist. So mine is Thelma and Louise, the end of Thelma and Louise. I think that's, it's kind of an oddly uplifting scenario of someone taking their own life, two of them, kind of like an act of defiance. And they kind of go out on their own terms after having dealt with, you know, abusive and unfair treatment for much of their adult lives. And I just think that's a beautiful, powerful. ending to an amazing movie.

Okay, I'll pick one that is a movie that I referenced not too long ago, but still is like fresh on my mind. And it's The Handmaiden. There's just like a super twisted scene at the end of that. That movie just kind of feels like this weird love story that has these kind of twists and turns. But then it takes a real dark turn in like the last scene when you kind of see one of the main villains get his comeuppance

or two of the main villains get their comeuppance and it involves, spoiler alert, one of the villains smokes a cigarette that's laced with some sort of drug to make sure that he dies because he's being tortured by the other villain. And it's just a great scene, a great movie. Again, I can't recommend it highly enough.

So that's what I'm picking. I'll shout out Romeo and Juliet, too. That's a good story telling. Yeah. You mean the Shakespeare one, Billy Shakespeare. The Leonardo DeCate. Okay, yeah. Yeah.

I figured that's probably more where you're bringing with that. Also great. Yeah. All right. And I have a quick animal fact. Did you guys know that platypuses will curl up their tails and carry around little sticks and stuff to build their nests? I didn't. In their tails.

I'm glad you told us. Yeah. Thanks, Jeff. And then also we wanted to do a wild. wildlife that you've interacted with recently, and Wes, let's just give this one to you. All right. I had a pretty good interaction this week. So part of this trip that I'm on, we went to this ranch that's close to Torresdale Pining National Park.

It's a wild ranch. It's like when I say ranch, there's just roads on it, but it's privately owned. But it's the people that own it have done a really good job preserving their wildlife. And so there's a lot of pumas. and the Pumas, it's probably, it is the place in the world to see Pumas in the wild. And Pumas for all of you out there who aren't sure what they are, it's the same thing as a mountain lion or a cougar. It's just a South American name for them. And so we were tracking Pumas and we were finding them.

It was really this cool experience to see them in such a unique environment. But we found this one who was laying in a bush and she didn't really want to move. She was really shy. So when we showed up, she just laid down in this bush and wouldn't really move. And we watched her for a while. And then all of a sudden, these Guanacos, which are kind of like an alpaca, but they're wild, started making this alarm call behind us. And our guide who tracks these pumas was like, oh, there must be another cat coming in. And sure enough, like we run over and this just the most beautiful, I think probably the most beautiful big cat I've ever seen in my life.

this Puma walks not like 20 feet in front of me and starts chasing these Guernaco's. And it was just like a spiritual experience to have this cat be so close to me, completely ignore me. And in this really wild place with like the towers of Torres del Piny in the distance and like Guanacos calling, it was just an amazing, incredible experience and one of those ones that I'll remember for the rest of my life and I was able to take a couple photos which I'm really happy with so I'll share those on our Instagram but just a really great experience for me and and I think for me sometimes the best place for me to really connect with a new location is to see its wildlife and so now I feel this kinship with with Patagonia so that's awesome yeah yeah uh yeah I wish I was there I do too

but you guys got to go to Disneyland yeah that's true I yeah we can't We come out on top, I think. Yeah, we win this one. I mean, we went on the new Mickey Mouse ride. That one janitor had a space frog. That's our animal interaction. Yeah, I think it was fake, but. All right.

And then let's do listener questions? Oh, yeah. I got some. Okay. Take it away, Mike. First question from subscriber Jack. I'm going to call everyone's subscriber and then their name. So subscriber Jack asks, question to all of you.

What's your favorite pasta? I don't know if they mean pasta noodle or pasta dish. You guys can take it whatever direction you want. I just like spaghetti noodles with red pasta sauce. I love it. Give it to me. Okay, I will. With some garlic bread.

I agree with Jeff that spaghetti noodles are the best noodle. I just think they're the perfect size and texture. But I like carbon. with spaghetti noodles, like some real good bacon and peas. Just love, I love me a good carbonara. I like the big ribbons of lasagna pasta. I don't even know if they have a name, but I used to just pull them out of the pack and eat them like fruit roll-ups. Just unboiled, unflavored.

When I was like four. I didn't know what I was doing. Next question. This is from subscriber Jacqueline. Hi guys, love the podcast. My question for all of you is, if you could exist in the Star Wars universe, would you still be a human, or would you be an alien creature, and what kind? Oh, I'm going to be a Sarlack pit.

I'm just going to sit there and digest people. Yeah, tell them about the Sarlack we saw. Yeah, do you know they have like arms and legs? Sarlacks? Yeah. Yeah, we remember he like, when he remastered it, he made that little like pod that shoots out of the middle of it and grabs people. Yeah, like the beak.

But underneath the ground, there's like a whole cavernous space where they have like a body and arms and legs, I guess. We saw like one of those. It's in Star Wars Land. Star Wars Land, so you know it's true. They need to stop with all this stuff. Just quit building on your floor. It didn't make any sense. Why would they need arms and legs?

Just stop. Where are they going? Just make 10 seasons of Andor and stop with everything else. I could get on board with that. Boba Fett just bonks his head and falls in it. It's so funny I never understood why people Like were obsessed with him

Because he dies the dumbest death In like the entire thing So funny It's his own show Okay I'm gonna be an alien I'm gonna be one of those weird Like butthead aliens

In the can'tina That are playing that music They just play that one song Over and over again That's a good song They got like oboes Or whatever they are I like those guys

I'll be Jabba the hut Just hella chicks all the time. True. It'd be fun to be the Rancourt trainer too. Mm. Oh, I guess that was a guy. Yeah. But that's an option.

You can still just be a human. Oh, okay. That's not very fun. He had a real connection with that. He did. Rancor, yeah. Okay, next question is from subscriber Lily. I'm about to start life.

I'm about to start Van Lath and just... Yeah, I know. He's a little hand- Right in the out of the womb. The subscribers are getting young. A little hand poking out of the womb, typing on a keyboard. I'm about to start van life and just started worrying about cooking and living in bear

country since my kitchen is in my vehicle. Should I be worried about curious bears coming close or trying to get into my van at night after meals? Any tips slash thoughts on the whole mobile living trend? So, Wes, you want to take that first part? I mean, I don't think they should be worried, but I think they should be really careful. So my main tips would be just like when you're camping, you need to do everything you can to get rid of extra scent and attractants. So you can cook in your, the nice thing, the difference between camping and being in your van is that there's much less scent that's going to permeate through the walls of your van for a bear to pick up on. But if they do pick up on it, they can be pretty persistent getting into vehicles too.

So the main thing is just after you prepare a meal, make sure to clean up everything. Any trash that you dispose of, do it in a way where it's not going to, you know, attract bears. Put it in some sort of scent-free container. Do what you need to do to be careful if you're camping. If you're parking your van in an area where there's a good chance of you encountering bears. So it's essentially the same rules that apply to camping just in your van. do whatever you can to cut down food scent. Jeff, any thoughts in general on mobile living?

I mean, I considered it, but I don't know. Like, what's the bathroom situation like? That's my main concern. You just got poop in your van? That's not the only option available to you. You can, like, go outside of your van. Yeah. Where?

Like, anywhere, but, like, on the floor of my van. gas stations. Yeah. The world is your bathroom at that point, I guess. You'll figure it out. Go to the bathroom as much as me. You got to worry about those things. That is true. I wasn't thinking from your perspective.

I'm very pro. I've considered it as well, and I'm still kind of considering it. I just think, at least for a small stretch and you consider all of the different aspects of it carefully, you decide it's for you. Go for it. Sounds like it could be a good time. Let us know how it goes. I feel like if you did it, Mike, you'd just like parking your... your driveway.

Yeah. You just need a good internet signal, you know. Okay, that's it for subscriber questions. I got a couple from Instagram, too. This is the end of our spooky ones. So, Sarah Jean Street, who do you think can bench press more?

Jeff or Michael Myers? That's Michael Myers, dude. I'm sorry. Over 200? What do you think he would max out at? 200 is a lot, Wes. I don't think he has. He, like, he picks up shit all the time.

I mean, he'll max out eventually. Okay, I think he maxes out at, like, 700 pounds. I think he can benchers out of, like, a female sea lion. Yeah. Yeah, no, I think he could set the world record. I think he's,

I actually think he's pretty weak, because he's just, like, a dude that went to a mental facility, and, you know, he's not, he's not moving weights there. Sometimes those, maybe they do have way rooms. People don't, like, get the brain signals though that like they need to stop so they can just push so much harder than us so like at the end of ghost in the shell yeah yeah rip their majors she rips i'm on west side i think he can bench a school bus you've convinced me um school bus i ring

gosga what would be your signature move if you were a ghost in order to scare people toilet toilet moaning myrtle she's got it you know in your moment of most vulnerability. What would you do? Cry? I guess, yeah. Yeah, crying's not bad. It's, yeah, it's spooky when you hear something just crying.

I think, like, to take this question seriously, like, in movies, whenever a ghost turns on the TV, like, when they're, like, their TV's off and then all of a sudden it comes back on and they turn it off and then they, like, unplug it, and it still comes on. It's a good move. That always gets me. Like that always kind of, you know, ups the tension for me when I'm watching a ghost movie. So that's my move. I'm turning that TV on.

Yeah, I'd probably just like make a gun float right in front of their face. Yeah. All right. That works. This one I'm not sure I understand, but Cat Daddy G asked how much to cut Wes's arm off and he doesn't get a penny of it. You don't understand that? Like, how much would we pay her? No, like, how much would you take, how much would you have to be paid?

How much money? And you can't get any of it? And I don't get any. But you get paid that much money. What would you do it for? I feel like I'd have to be able to pay you. You can't. That's the question.

If I can't pay you, I think I don't have a number. I don't think I'd do it. That's nice. Thank you. Yeah. Like, your arm isn't critical for the work you do for the podcast, but it definitely helps. And I don't want to, you know, I don't want to... He could do it with one. I think so.

I think so. I think so. It's all you're thinking about is the podcast. Right. I mean, just pragmatically speaking, you know, how does this benefit or hurt me? I think I'm not going to let it happen. There's a decent chance I'm dying if one of you clowns cuts off my arm, too. That's true.

I don't know how to do it. No. Yeah. I don't have, like, a fire sword, so it just cauterizes it instantly. That's a good, yeah. It's a great weapon. Yeah. The whole fire sword.

I mean, maybe $10 billion. But then, like, instead of just giving you money, I could, like, save sharks or something, and you'd probably give your arm up for that. Yeah, I don't think you could save sharks with $10 billion, though. I mean, give me a plan and I'll do one. You could save one shark for sure. All right.

Ronda Wingenit. Favorite spooky season songs. Me and Mike listened to some yesterday. some good bangers. Go for it, Wes. I love this question because for me, it's the AFI All Hallows Eve, or no, All Hallows E.P. That is an album I start listening to in October, and I just love it.

And then a runner-up is the cramps. I really like the cramps. I think they make really good spooky songs. I'm going with either the soundtrack to Nightmare Before Christmas. Except for What's This, they're all pretty spookily themed. I think that's a great. But also the Ice Nine Kills Silver Scream, Part 2. It's kind of, I don't know exactly what you would call it,

like theatrical kind of metal with a horror bent. It's like Prague rock. Yeah, kind of Praguegy too. Yeah. I mean, I really just love the Halloween theme song, but I'll also shout out Dead Man's Bones, album Dead Man's Bones song Dead Man's Bones, sung by Ryan Gosling.

You love Gosling. It's a guerilla, gorilla, gorilla situation there. All right. One last one from in me element. For West, do the bison ever fall into thermal pools at Yellowstone? Yes. They do? Mm-hmm.

And they die? Yeah. Yep. It happens every year. It usually happens in the winter because they'll crowd around thermal features to try and warm up. And the ground can be really like. fragile and they'll break through and fall into thermal features. Or like have banana peels next to them?

It happens quite a bit. Yeah, they'll slip on a banana peel and it makes a little whoop-whoop noise and then they fall into the water. That's why there's all those signs telling you not to throw your banana peels in the thermal pools. Yeah. And I'll make sense now. All right. Thank you for the listener questions. And last category, how much do we like sea lions?

I'm going to give them nine claws, put them at 39. Wow, that's pretty good. I really like swimming with them. They're one of my best animal, wild animal experiences I've ever had, is swimming with sea lions. Cool. Yeah, I'm giving them eight claws for the exact same reason Jeff did. I think on land, they're kind of like unremarkable

and loud and kind of smelly, but underwater, they're just like the most graceful, beautiful animals and I just love swimming with them. I'm going with seven. So I like walrari, walrises

the most of all the pinnipeds. And I like seals more than sea lions. But walrus isn't a 10-clay animal for me. So I'm just kind of, you know, if you follow my little daisy chain of logic, I think that's where they end up. still great though. I like them a lot. All right. Well, that does it for this episode. And again, I mean, we talked about suicide on this one. So I just want to say if you're struggling with

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