Tooth & Claw: True Stories of Animal Attacks - Humpback Whales Breaching Onto People & The Hit Animal Song Bracket

Episode Date: August 27, 2024

Biologists have made a couple of breakthrough discoveries on how humpback whales vocalize and share their songs with each other, and Mike does his best to relay the information to Wes and Jeff. The guys then do a mini-March Madness bracket to determine what the best hit song with an animal in the title is. Will it be by The Beatles? Prince? Baja Men? Listen to find out! ~~ To advertise on the show, contact us! ~~ Tooth & Claw is brought to you by QCODE. Support the show and get access to an extensive library of exclusive episodes like this by supporting the show on Patreon or joining the Grizzly Club on Apple Podcasts. For the latest updates on the show and all things wildlife, follow us at toothandclawpod.com and social:  Instagram: @ToothandClawPodcast Twitter: @ToothandClawPod Wes: @GrizKid Jeff: @jefe_larson Mike: @mikey3ds Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Because it's Bill Paxton and his name is Braxton. So you're switching. Yeah. Yeah, there's the pea. The pee is off of the pack sticks, and it's going to pill. That is funny. Yeah. That's a good joke.

Yeah. Braxton, you can use that if you want. So we are Tooth and Claw podcast. I'm Jeff. Hey, Jeff. Nice to meet any new listeners. New subs. If they're subscribers and they're new listeners.

And this is your first episode. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks. That's great. Thanks for the faith. Wes, and he's my older brother, and we've got Mike. How much older am I than you?

Do you know? Five years. Yeah, five and a half. I thought it was more like four and a half. Is it five and a half? Now you got me wondering. I think it's five and a half. Yeah.

Okay. Yes, sir. Wait, how old are you right now? I'm 40. I'm 35. Yeah, and I'm about to turn 41. I'm old. I know.

What are you going to do to celebrate? I'm going to just do a real low-key birthday. What do you want? You know you're as old as Billbo was at his birthday. party? 111? Oh, you're right. Never mind.

We're just going to, me and Jesse are just going to go swim in the creek. We're going to see a movie. Oh, wow. We're going to eat some food. Yeah. Some treats. Then what? It's just going to be like maybe, yeah, maybe.

Biting. I don't know. If I'm lucky. Yeah. I cut my hair short. She wanted me to cut my hair short. Yeah. It looks good, but I still kind of am sad that you did it.

I am too. I was so close to where I wanted to be. But she was getting really tired of it. She's not. I don't want to make it sound like she was being controlling because she wasn't. Sure. She actually was like, whatever you want to do you should do. Yeah.

But I could tell she didn't like it. It just kind of feels like the male lion of the pride got his mainsheared a little bit. Yeah, that's okay. You both have a beautiful head of hair still. Well, we'd be the lionesses in this. Well, now anymore. Yeah. You've taken control.

I mean, we could still be like just non-alpha. Lions. Like the Lions Asava, two dudes just hanging. But they didn't have, they didn't have mains. This one pack of four lions that really wreaked havoc for a while, like four males. They killed a ton of lions and just wrecked shit. Yeah. But no, I guess you dubbed me a lioness, so thanks for that.

That means you guys got to bring me food and have sex with me. I kind of did bring a bunch of food. And then we decided to drive him. 20 minutes down the canyon to get something else. It went to Buffalo Wildlings. It normally hits and it didn't. It didn't hit at all tonight. The cheese curds hit.

Everything else is bad. Do you know what is crazy? My favorite part of the whole experience at Buffalo Wild Wings was our waitress. It was just so burnt out and so over it. And she was like, no, this deal sucks. You don't want it. And we're like, I think he kind of just talked me into wanting the deal the day. I'll do that.

We all did it. and we all kind of failed. She was right. Yeah, 100% right. Yeah. That's all I liked. I liked parts of what, how she was. Like, I wanted a drink and she said, I think it's $6.

Yeah. And she like walked across the restaurant and just screams, hey, that drink's $10. You still want it? You're like, yes. Kind of shouted, but kind of whispered. Now, she was playing a little hard to get, which I, you know, Buffalo Wild Wings kind of like that.

Yeah. It's like that restaurant where they're like mean to you on purpose, but they're not doing it on purpose. Like soup, Nazi? Yeah. I guess that was on purpose. Recently I've been going to those kind of restaurants

as almost like nostalgia trips to go to like Chili's or Applebee's or Buffalo Wild Wings or whatever. And each time I'm like, okay, I'm never coming back here. And I think that's how I feel about Buffalo Wild Wings. Oh, wow. I think I might be done.

I like it. I just don't like boneness because they're just chicken nuggets. Yeah. I think I'm done. Did I ever tell you guys the story of the last time I went to Applebee's? No. He was on a first date with a girl. Who chose Applebee's?

It was this girl. It was like karaoke night at Applebee's and it was like that was even worse. That was what her and her friend group were into. So I was like, sure, I'll tag along. And we got like the big appetizer platter where it's just a bunch of everything and we all kind of like dip our hands in and out of it. And right before it. came out, I was like, I got to run and use the restroom real quick. And then when it came back out, the platter was out and I kind of dug around the chips

and stuff. And then I said, you know, I actually recently read a study that it's actually more hygienic to not wash your hands after going to the bathroom as like a joke. It was a joke. And nobody thought it was funny. And it was just so awkward. And I was like, I got to get out of here. But I couldn't.

I had to kind of stay and do karaoke with the group. Yeah. What did you sing? It was rough. I was like a B-52 song Okay Not Rome Love Shack

First date No it was Rome not love Shack Okay Yeah First date they like might not know You're joking type of thing Yeah

I really tried to put some sauce On how I delivered it But I was It's their fault It was my I don't know I could have done better She wasn't the one

No she wasn't No I don't know Applebees Yeah She suggested it I find myself Going to Applebee's

Because I watch What's that song And I get Fancy like Applebee's on a date At night That That's a good song.

Aren't we talking about songs? I've never even heard about that. We're talking a lot about music today, actually. Let's do it. I prepared an episode. What? As I am wont to do once a month or so. Yeah.

And I prepared one on, so I feel like I've studied enough about humpback whales to be on kind of like a nickname basis with them. I found myself calling them humpers the past couple of days, you know. Okay. Yeah. If you think that's a, I think it's fine. I think it's great. I don't think they would care.

That's what you're asking. I think that's kind of what I was asking. I think like a humpback biologist might be like, yeah. I don't think we want to call them that. Well, but I don't, I like it. Okay. They don't get to decide for humpbacks. No, we can, that animal belongs to all of us.

Yeah. Right. So if you know one thing about humpback whales, what is it? What's great? They like breaching. Yeah. Okay. What's the, if you know two things.

They're beautiful. They're migratory. I guess that is something you know. Oh, they sing. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They court. They court through music.

Yeah. Yeah. We're not going to talk about that. Yeah. I do want you to keep in mind, as we're going through everything I talk about, that there's some talented vocalists out there under the ocean waters, you know. Yeah. And we're going to talk a lot about the mysteries surrounding how they sing, how they vocalize, and how their music is shared and spread throughout the globe. And scientists for a long time, we're kind of like, how does this happen?

We don't even know how they make sound. We got some studying to do. But before we get to that. Another episode off of one of Jeff's random animal facts at the end of episodes. Yeah. I have written at the top here, actually, give Jeff credit. That's what like my first note. Yeah.

Sorry, I cut you off before you can say it. Please. If you have any thoughts whatsoever, cut me off. Otherwise, this might be like a three-minute episode. Not really. I got a bunch of notes here. But for a long time... Jeff just recorded a cameo where his random animal fact was,

Mountain goat horns are sharp. That was his... That's true. It's a fact. Pretty sharp. Horns. Well, I don't... Get a cameo from me.

Get this guy on cameo. You're going to get some hard-hitting facts. I posed a pretty interesting question in the cameo, too, that Wes disputed at first, And then he thought about it. I was like, I don't know. Do you think mountain goats are better climbers than our best climbers? Oh, no.

Because, like, they couldn't climb El Capitaine. No, they could not. Yeah, he's right. But they are crazy how they're like, sometimes you'll just see a footage of a goat five miles up on a cliff face. As a species. As a species, they're a much, much better climbers. Yeah, I think on average they're better climbers than humans. But, you know, all right.

I would never, yeah, that's for sure. I mean, our baby, you don't see any of our babies on L-CAP, you know. Not yet. Not yet. Maybe Alex Honnold. It's like the thing like our very best long distance runners are the best, but wolves are way better than humans. Yeah.

Right. Heel monsters. We just talked about them. They have good stamina. They'd probably be pretty good. Yeah. Distance runners. But like our best people at sex are better than heel of monsters.

Maybe. How did you see you said two hours? Up to two hours. Yeah. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. There's got, like, I'll do research on that. If you, like, on pills and stuff, you can.

That's true. Okay, anyway, so people have been messing stuff up for Wales for a long time, right? Wes. Knock it off. All kinds of ways. How? Anyone listening, messing with them, knock it off. Yeah, stop.

A big one is, like, underwater seismic testing. So when they're, like, trying to put in new oil facilities or whatever, like, new offshore oil or whatever. They do a lot of seismic testing. And it's like big explosions and speaker noises and everything underwater. And that can actually, it can be really devastating for whales. Shipping lanes, like the really, the loud propellers

and also just the boats themselves. I don't know. There's a lot of ways that we mess things up. We've made the ocean. We've made the ocean. That's got to be. We've made the ocean very noisy. Yeah.

We're going to talk a lot about that, actually. It kind of is surprising to me just how, it's not super recent, but how long it took to outlaw and ban commercial whaling. It was a real problem for a lot of whales. Jeff is taking his pants off. Kind of. No, yeah, actually, I think he is. And he's saying it, it hurts. For a humpback whales specifically, I think at one point, it was about 95% of their population had been eradicated.

Yeah. And they've since bounced back, thankfully. It's still tough for them out there. And if I didn't know better, it would seem like whales, humpback whales, have been taking matters into their own hands. They've been getting back at humans a little bit. So I'm going to run down a couple of just, I guess you'd call them headlines, highlights of whale encounters with humans. It's never really an attack. It's almost always on accident.

I'm joking a little bit by saying they're, you know, getting revenge on us. But just recently. Yeah, I made a note to deliver that. We're back at Applebee's. Yeah. I'm just going to run down a couple of stories that have happened recently. I think we've even covered a couple on like news roundup episodes and stuff. But Jeff, did you really have something?

Thinking about him meeting back up with that group and being like, yeah, I was on like with these podcast guys. And I told this joke about whales and they just didn't really laugh at all. Like that. And striking out. Okay. So first story, September 2020. five people were killed and another six rescued when a boat capsized in New Zealand after what apparently was a collision with a breaching humpback whale. Yeah.

And those, it's pretty crazy how violent and bloody those get. Like the, it breached onto the boat. It breached up out of the water onto the boat. Like body slammed the boat. You think about it, it's like, do you know how much they weigh? I should have had that figure, but it's a lot. It's like worse than a tree. It's tons and tons falling on it.

It's like, yeah, it's worse than. It'd be like a building. It's like a building falling on. Right. And so, yeah, of course, it's just going to obliterate people. Yeah. Unless he, like, sneak straight in its blowhole. Yeah.

Then, yeah. Then you'll just die a much worse death. Yeah, I guess you're right. No, you'd be fine. Okay. In May of 2023, off the coast of New York's Long Beach, a woman captured the terrifying moment, a huge humpback whale slammed into the vessel she was on.

So, another. Breaching as well? Yep. Was she okay? She was okay The boat was not It was like all bent up And fudged

As they say Fudged attack Yeah Later that year in June This is kind of I wanted to keep this wording Because I thought it was kind of funny Eight Danes

Uh huh Dane like Danish people Eight Dains Yeah great Like great Dains I got it It's kind of funny It's funny They were rescued when they're

Save these for your next date Dude I know They were rescued when their sailboat Capsized in the Pacific ocean after a collision with one or two whales. Huh. Is what that news story said.

I don't think it was like a coordinated. Yeah. It's pretty obvious. It wasn't one or two. Yeah. And just a month later, video footage captured a humpback whale bursting through the water and landing on an unsuspecting fisherman's deck in Massachusetts. So this guy is just like hanging out on the docks.

Wow. That's wild. That's crazy. I can't. Yeah. Wait. It landed on his boat or on his... The fisherman's deck.

So it might have been like a boat. deck. That's what I would imagine. I was thinking his house deck. That would be it. I don't think that's what that would be a story. Is that deck wouldn't like into the water? All right.

One final story. September 2023. Two men that were out on a fishing trip were slammed by a breaching whale off the coast of Sydney. Both were knocked unconscious but were quickly assisted by witnesses. The 52 year old man did survive but the 61 year old man did eventually succumb. to his injuries, which has got to be just like a wild way to go. Yeah.

You know, one minute you're kind of just hanging up. Doing one of maybe the most peaceful kind of activities that you could do is just sitting with a fish and pull on the death. And then there's just an explosion and a building falls on you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, a whale is what it was. You count that as like a catch?

Yeah, I would. That's like a world. None of your buddies are beating you. Right. It's like, I got it out on the boat. I don't know what else I could have done. Right. Okay, so this leads me to...

Those like two guys in my last episode, the fishing cheating, the walleye guys, they would count it for sure. Do you think they stuffed like bowling balls down the whales throughout to make it even heavier than the other whales that were caught that in? Oh man, I just can't get like the vitriol of those guys were yelling during that video you showed us. Call the cops, paper, we got weight. The guy was so disappointed. Oh, man, I can't believe you would do this. Okay, so that leads me into the marquee story of the day. And that is about a man.

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But you have like two things instead of one, right? And it's like not attached to the board. It's pretty cool. It looks really fun to be good at, but hard to be good at as well. So Jason, a couple of his friends were out wing foiling on the water at Mona Vale Beach in Sydney. when a humpback whale jumped out of the water and checked him off of his board and dragged him about 20 to 30 feet below the surface.

So just imagine your wind sailing out on the ocean. All the sudden, a whale just comes up and like hockey checks you off of your board. Yeah. I think I saw it. Was there a video of this? There was. I saw it.

Yeah. He actually, he didn't think there was any kind of witness or anything. Yeah. And when he got out of the water, he told his friends and they're like, yeah, okay, buddy, sure. And he was like, wait a minute. I think my GoPro was going.

Yeah. And it was. He caught footage of the GoPro was on him. Yeah. While he was winged. And you see the whale. He just like gets hit on the side. Actually, I have a, I got, I downloaded the video of it and I want to show you guys because it's pretty cool.

And if you don't. Made him go underwater. Do you get under it? So the whale got tangled in his lines. Yeah. His like ankle. So like the, the kite things dragged him under. Yes.

Okay. Yeah. Kind of. Okay. If you can't see the whale the first time it's shown, don't worry. it'll pause and it'll like the big red arrow. Someone draws a big red arrow pointing out. To the whale.

So, here. There it is. That's the most pointless red arrow I've ever seen in my life. There's been some pointless red arrows I've seen in my life. That might be the most egregious. I didn't see the rest of this. It really takes them for a ride on. Yeah, it takes them a while to get back up.

onto his board. Yeah. Huh. And I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think he does say something. Probably just like, oh man, I just got hit by a whale. Yeah. That's probably what he says. He says, shit.

I just got hit by a whale. There it is. He knew his GoPro was going the whole time. He talks to it at the end. I don't think he was talking to it. He looked straight at it and say that. Okay, well, maybe he's, maybe that was just, I think he's maybe just dressing the story up a little bit.

That's fine. But, so he, when he finally surfaced, he went, back into the shore. No one believed him. He had footage, whether he knew it or not. Seems like maybe he did. Jeff is kind of a detestim, pessimistic. Humbers.

That's what my doc is called. I just got hit by a whale bringing set out loud to himself. Oh, my God. I think Wes. What's that noise? We'll just keep going. Wes is going to sort himself out. Water in Mike's Humper's joke.

That's what got you, huh? Out of all my hilarious jokes. You would have thought it'd be the Appleby story. It was funny. Trust me. You had to be there. Although if you were there, it sounds like it also wasn't funny. I was just thinking about like if you died and someone found your computer and they saw a document titled Humpers.

And they clicked on it and it was about humpback whales. He's so confused. Yeah. So I called that story Young Humber. All right. Because he noticed when he was down underneath the wall. he felt the whale. He remarked that it was very smooth,

leading him to believe that it was a juvenile, a young humpback whale. So he thought he was going to die. He was like, honestly, I was down underneath the water and it was tangled up in his stuff. He thought, I'm just going to keep getting pulled down. There's nothing I can do about it. Thankfully, the, whatever was connected to him and the whale,

it snapped and he was able to resurface. And he swam back into shore and he told his friends, who didn't believe him, but he was like, I got, I got proof. And there was also a bice. I didn't see this footage anywhere, but apparently a bystander also captured it somehow. So there's, you know, all kinds of witnesses. It's pretty crazy. You know, like one in a million that the whale would jump out of the water because it wasn't doing it maliciously.

Right. I don't think it was. I don't think so. Yeah. I do. Like when you were going through all those stories at the beginning, it made me wonder if, like, they don't sometimes just get frustrated and like body slam stuff. Yeah. You know?

Probably more like one in a billion. One of a billion? Well, we got like 13 billion people. Maybe 13 has been slammed by a whale. Do we have 13 billion people? Is that what we're at now? I think we're like 8. I'm not sure.

I bet you. You could look that up. Let's see who's closer. But whoever loses has to get a tattoo of 8 billion people. Not if it's... I don't take a while. If it's 13. Ah, sheesh.

I don't know. I think I've read before that whale biologists say they think these are just random, you know, but it is, you do, like, these are intelligent animals. Yeah. And I don't think they just breach without, like, looking. Right. So I do wonder sometimes if they're not trying to kind of slam into stuff.

And we're going to get into, and it seems it always happens to like bigger vessels, or usually it's happening to bigger vessels. It's eight billion people on the world. I knew that one. So I just don't think it's totally impossible that a whale would get frustrated by a vessel that's like making noise and kind of intrusion. rooting on its territory to be like, dude, what the heck? It seems probable.

You think probable even? I don't know. Like every animal can get frustrated. Yeah. And so, yeah, it doesn't, it's not outside the realm of possibility. Yeah. So I'm going to get into a little bit about the humpback whale songs now. Great.

Teased a little bit at the beginning. We're getting into it now. Turns out that me and whales have a couple of things in common. When you don't, I know what you're thinking, Jeff. Fifty. Beefty. Beefy. I messed up by my own tagline.

Beefy. I do. You both love music. Yeah, that's one of them. It's true. You both love swimming. Do you know? That's another thing we both really enjoy.

Well, maybe do Wells love it or they just have to? You love body slamming. I do. I think I do. I don't do body slams very much. You love breaching out of the water. I do breach quite often. I also really just want people to be quiet.

Yeah, that's true. you know. Yeah. So there's been a mystery that was recently solved. Except when you tell a joke, apparently. Yeah. Please clap. Oh, who was that?

I should have, man. I'm funny. You are funny. It's a bad story, dude. It wasn't that bad of a story. You made fun of my talk about a story for 10 years now. Yeah, that's a bad story. They forgot to give me my sauce packs.

Yeah. I just thought this story's better than that. Like, it's not very good. A bunch of strangers thought probably I didn't wash my hands after going to the bathroom. It's a bad story. Okay. I mean, you're allowed to think that. And we have plenty of proof that it was, in fact, a bad joke and story.

So, mystery solved. How humpback whales vocalize. So toothed whales, dolphins and orcas. Spirmed with? Also a toothed whale. They do. Yeah, you're right. Thanks.

Any other toothed whales you can think of? There's like pilot whales. Narwhals have. Yeah. Horn. Horn. There's their tooth whales. It's a tooth, right?

Uh-huh. Yeah. But they also have other teeth. So these, that, I don't even know what you'd call them, that subsection group of whales. They developed a vocal organ in their nose to produce sound. But just how baleen whales, like humpback whales, made their sound. It had been a mystery for a really long time, basically ever since we learned that they sing to each other. But in an article published on February 22nd of 2024, so just a couple of months ago,

researchers were able to acquire a humpback whale right after it died and studied it in a more thorough way than really had ever been done before, at least as far as how they vocalized. Yeah. And this was the study was led by author Cohen Elements. Did they get any of that immortality serum while they're in there? Oh, man. No, they're probably like, that's not ethical. We got to not do that. All right.

Fools. What they, that was an Avatar 2 reference for anyone that's, yeah. anyone wondering. So what they discovered was a fatty cushion that vibrates when air is pushed out from the lungs, which allows whales to create

low frequency sounds underwater to communicate over large distances. That's why the opera singers are always fat. True, probably. No, actually no. Because in the computer models that they made of this fatty part of the whale vocal box, voice box,

researchers found that baleen whales have a completely novel mechanism that is not described in any other animal. Wow, so not even opera singers. So it's not like them at all, Jeff. But there was another problem that was uncovered by their findings. Because the ocean is dark,

sound is the primary means whales have to find each other. The depth and frequency of the sounds they're able to make is overlapped by depth and frequency of noises made by most human-made vessels. So it's just interfering with them being able to communicate with each other. Huh.

So the frequency range is like 30 to 300 hertz, and it's near the ocean surface. They have to kind of make these songs and noises near the ocean surface. So basically, humpback whale songs and communications are being blotted out by human-made noise interference, which means they can't find each other. And if they can't find each other, they can't mate, which means what, Wes? That they're decreasing in numbers. Right. Jeff, what does that mean?

If you're not able to mate, what? What's that mean for you? He gets depressed. You get, you get mad. I don't get, no, I don't think I, I don't think I get mad. Yeah, I probably just get a little, like, pent up, emotion. Aggressive. You know?

Yeah. Sure. Mad. But for whales, yeah, I think, I think Wes has got it. They're not able to reproduce. Right. And that's, that's a real problem. Conservation-wise, it's just not ideal to not be able to,

find each other and mate. Yeah. Like it's... My problem is I can't sing. Oh, yeah? Yeah, I just can't sing. That's fine. Have you tried rapping?

You don't need to really carry a tune if you rap. I tried and it was like so bad that they, my tennis team would have me rap often just to like laugh at me. It's sad. Yeah. You could just like not. Yeah, but I was just happy they were talking to me. All right, we'll move on.

But it didn't work for like finding mates, if that's what you're wondering. Sure. Some more information about humpback songs. Humpers. Humpers. So in a September 2019 article titled Migrating Humpbacks cover whale songs, the information goes a little something like this. Also another way I'm like whales.

Always looking for music to add to the playlist, you know? What's the last song you added to your playlist, Wes? I've been into Slow Polp lately. Do you know them at all? No. It's kind of like an indie rock, like female-led band. It's kind of, I don't know who to describe it or compare it to. It kind of sounds like a bit.

I can't think of Phoebe Bridger and her like super band with the other two. Anyway, it's a good band, Slow Pulp. Cool. Yeah. I'll check them out. Something else that was a bit of a mystery to scientists for a long time is how different groups of humpback whales have been observed singing the same songs. even though sometimes they live thousands and thousands of kilometers apart. So, like, they'd hear a whale on one part of the planet singing a song,

and then they'd also hear a whale on the other part in another part of the world, singing the same song. Like, how's this happening? Well, in a 2019 paper co-written by Kiwi Marine biologist Rochelle Constantine, it helped to uncover the mystery. Each year, humpbacks from all over the greater region converge on the Kermodeck Islands for four or five days or so. to, it's kind of like a ritualistic end to the mating cycle where they all congregate and they sing to each other.

Really? Yeah, once they make. Humpbacks? Yeah. They like all group up in the same place. I mean, not like all of them in the entire world. It's not like the world's population, but it's a lot of them. In the region.

They send representatives of each action. Yeah. To learn the songs. Right. Okay. So once they make it to the island, they get all situated. They all swim up close to the surface of the ocean. And then they hang.

upside down so their tails are pointing up towards the surface. And they start singing to each other, learning other songs and sharing their own before swimming off again and taking them back to wherever it was that they came from. That's so cool. That's really cool. They like swap songs. It's like a little sharing. And scientists noticed that songs often travel across vast oceans from there.

Song that we will hear in New Caledonia this year. Next year, we will hear parts of that song in Tonga. And the year after, elements further to the east, Constantine said. This was a new thing that they just figured out too, right? Yeah, I remember reading about this in the news. That's really cool. That's awesome. Let's be honest.

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across eastern Australia, New Caledonia, Tonga, Niu. New New Air? They got their headphones on listening to the whales and the whales are just like, palms are sweaty, mumps, biggay. Right, yeah. They were rap battling.

Rorotonga and the Moro Rhea. Sorry if I messed up at least three of those. In the winter of 2015, and then they collected music from 39 whales in the waters around Raul Island in the Kermatic Chain in September and October of 2015.

Song themes from multiple wintering grounds match songs recorded at the Kermodex, including a hybrid of two songs, suggesting that multiple humpback whale populations from across the South Pacific are traveling past these islands and song learning may be occurring. Said the paper published in October. September? September. Sorry. I'm not going to apologize. I don't know why you're asking me. Yeah. You're the scientist. I don't know when it was published. I did read the paper. I actually don't care about any of this. I just do this because I need a job. Yeah. I'm otherwise. Unemployable.

Okay, so the humpback whale singing facts. Male whales sing mournfully to attract females and warn off other rivals. So it's kind of like, like, emo ballads. No, it's just like sad, mournful. Yeah. Probably overly dramatic. Exaggeratory, I would imagine, a little bit. Yeah.

Trying to think of a band. That works sometimes. Yeah. These songs contain... The band Fuel? Fuel. Yeah. I'm full sad.

Yeah. over-exaggerated. I'm familiar with them. Yeah. These things contain repeated notes and motifs and can last up for 20 minutes. Wow. So more like Prague. Prague emo kind of like really long, like stop, stop doing the same refrain over and over.

Yeah. And they can be heard male whale's humpback whale songs can be heard for up to 20 miles away. Wow. You imagine that? Yeah. Jeff just shook his head like, yeah. Yeah, that's not bad. Not that impressed.

Like Metallica, I could probably do that. 20 miles. You'd get some noise complaints in the human world, but I guess whales are fine. So that's it for your humpback whales. I just thought those two mysteries, both having been solved fairly recently, were really interested. That is interesting. Yeah. No, I really like that. Yeah. Some other animals also have been known to sing in the wild. You're welcome for letting you know the humpbacks are the only whales that sing as a group. Right. No, I already gave you credit. Do you want me to do it again? I was just being polite saying you're welcome.

Oh. Well, you kind of put some... Was that polite? Yeah, you put some sauce on that. Yeah, a little... A little sassy. Unintentional. Okay.

No, that's fine. I do want to make it known that I couldn't have done this without you. Thanks. You're welcome. Thank you. I should be thanking you. So what other animals sing? What animals come to mind?

Of course, birds. Oh, nice one. Thanks. Frogs? Yeah. You knew that. Do they sing? Yeah, they do.

Tree frogs. Chorus frogs. Yeah, I just... Toad. Toad fish. You never heard of a toad fish? They sing. I got notes on to do.

Does it just sound like... So you can actually hear it from outside of the water. Like if they... Crickets? Yeah. Crickets do. Yeah. It's not like they don't actually have little fiddles that they're playing.

Like the kites. Yeah, they don't do that. They run their like leg. on their wing, right? That's true. It's kind of the same. It's, yeah, there's like some friction going on. Yeah, I don't know how they do it.

Is it like behind their back? I'm not totally sure. Crickets do. They're like just playing their little leg fiddles while the bees are dancing to it. Yeah. I actually want to talk a little bit more about cricket songs, if you'll allow it. Yeah. So they have multiple songs in their playlists, it turns out.

The calling song encourages the female to travel from a distance. When she's close, the male sing changes to a courtship. song. If a competing male cricket gets too close, the first male sings a rivalry song. So this guy at least three songs in its repertoire, which I thought was kind of cool. Yeah. So the toad fish, we talked a little bit about them. They're unusually vocal animals according to research, according to scientists.

Their song can be heard from outside of the water described as a grunt or a hum. So not like a sophisticated, you know, we're not talking Beethoven or anything. It's just, yeah. Right. A really well-known singer, painter. Yeah. What? He wrote operas or something.

The famous vocalist. Let's see. Who, Celine Dion. Sure. Yeah. Pavarotti. Pavarotti. Yeah.

So I was thinking. Right. Bing Crosby. Yeah. All blue eyes. Whole blue eyes. Sinatra. Yeah.

Arethra Franklin. Okay. So tree frogs. Whitney Houston. Whitney Houston. Yeah. You see her sing this national anthem? Spectacular.

Yeah. I've heard some. There's been. Blue Fergie out of the water. Oh, yeah. She did much better than Frigie. Barely. Better than Roseanne.

A little better than Roseanne. Yeah. I've heard some, there's been a little bit of whispers going around that some are thinking that Whitney. Isn't dead? Well, that, but the Star-Spangled Banner, you know, her famous performance, might have been lip-sinked. I just. I don't buy it. I don't buy it either.

She's the greatest. Rest in peace. She's the best. It happens. It does. T. Swift lip sings a little. Right. Yeah.

She got called out by. Yeah, but we should be putting in them. Yeah. Ashley Simpson. She was listening. Dave Matthew? No. Who called her out?

Dave Grohl from. Yeah. Yeah. Food fighters. Nirvana. Do you think of Dave as a Nirvana guy? I think of most food fighters. Yeah.

Which is unfortunate. Yeah. Just had a longer, longer life of music. I didn't know. That's kind of morbid. Anyway, so tree frogs, the Pacific Tree Frog or Pacific Chorus Frog manifests a unique musical style. A group of these frogs is called a chorus, and for good reason, the area's dominant male leads the chorus in its song with subordinate males responding to his lead. So it's kind of like Frankie Valley in the Four Seasons,

doing like little duop numbers probably. Yeah. It's pretty great. Yeah, I like that. Well, those are just a couple of animals. I love it. That's interesting. Yeah. It's been really interesting. Great. I'm glad. I was worried. I'm glad Jeff put this together. Seriously. I would. No, don't give me that much. Okay. Okay. Well, that's it for kind of the main body of what I wanted to do here. What's next? Categories. Let's do it. I don't think I prepared you guys. I gave you some. I didn't give you all the caters. We're just going to go and see what happens. So what's your favorite emo song? I hesitate to pick this one because it's not like the song that most people would pick from this band. But anywhere with you.

by Saves the Day off their Reverie album. Yeah. I think it's such a perfect emo song. I just love it. So that might be my favorite emo song. But also like pretty... The whole Clarity album by Jimmy World.

That's good. Cute without the E, Taking Back Sunday. Of course. It's like my favorite song of all time. And also like my second favorite band in high school was brand new. And they were like kind of hated each other. Yeah. And this song was like singing about the brand new singer.

Yeah. I remember brand new had a shirt that said mics are for singing, not for swinging. Yeah. Because the taking back Sunday guy always. Your lipstick, his collar, don't bother to tell. I know exactly what goes on was about the brand new guy. Oh, wow. Whoa.

New something we didn't until recently, maybe. It's hard not to pick American football too. Yeah. Midwest emo stuff. Yeah. Math, Rocky. Sorry, I love you most. Me too.

Especially that era. It's kind of maybe my favorite music. I'm going to go with Helena from Mycum. Just an absolute sing-along, banger. Amazing video, great song. Yes. I got kicked out of their concert once. Really?

Yeah. Wow. For crowd surfing. I wasn't supposed to crowd surf. Really? And they took me out. No way. Yeah.

What the heck? Yep. You're the only person that crowd surfed? I was the only one that did it twice because you got warned and then I did it again. They said, if you do that again, we'll kick you out. And then you're like, why are you kicking me out?

Yeah. That reminds me, well, you guys are going to make fun of me for telling a boring story, so I'm not going to... All right. So next category. Maybe it's a good one. It's not. Basically Derek Wibley, this frontman for some 41.

He made a really funny video on YouTube recently called Fuck You, Don Henley. And it was a story about him getting kicked out of an eagle concert really it's really funny he tells it better than i like okay okay you'd like that that he dated averiluvian it's funny he did he did it's funny yeah they're cordial again so did the nickelback yeah what you think was a better lover nickel back what band would you say is like the most emo band my chemical romance would probably be my number one pick yeah i just don't think they're quite like sad or whiny enough i think that album yeah i think it really kicked off yeah

Maybe. AIFI is up there. See, but AIFI had like an emo album, but the rest of their stuff was an emo. Yeah. Because like when I got into AFI, it was pretty early, and they were like straight edge punk music. Right. So I don't know. I don't know.

Yeah, I guess technically you could just say like Rites of Spring, one of the first 80s, like true emo. Who's, who did you say that? If you were to tell me like picture an emo band, I picture my chemical rats. I think that's what I go with, too. Yeah. I'd probably picture taken back Sunday. Okay, next category. I didn't give you guys this one,

but I think it won't be too hard to come up with one. So your favorite pop culture animal musician. And I'll go first to give you guys a little bit of time to think. So mine's the Great Mouse Detective. He's kind of like the Sherlock Holmes. I love that movie. He plays the, he's a violinist, a little fiddler. Yeah.

It's great. I love it. Yours is who? The Great Mouse detective. It's a mouse? Yeah. Well, I was thinking about choosing the, Using the mouse.

Well, I mean, if it's a different mouse. The fire, the fire will goes west. Isn't one of them? Oh, yeah. His sister is like a singer. His dad's a fiddler. His dad's a fiddler. Animal from the Muppets.

The drummer. Oh, yeah. Mine would probably be that shark that's a drummer. I like that sharks are like the hardest animal to make a drummer. Is that jabber jaw? Jabber jaw? Yeah. Because they don't even have hands.

Yeah. Okay. Next category. What's one place you... That can't be my pick. But just say, I just, you didn't give me enough time. Like a spider would be the best drummer. They would be so good.

There's some movie where a spider's like playing bass that I remember that I really liked. That's like the worst use of its legs. You got to put them on drums. Yeah. You know? Right. Base only has four chords. Yeah.

Four strings. Four strings. Yeah. Cords. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I could have come up with... Piano would be sick.

If you come up with a better one, just interrupt proceedings because we got a ways to go here. Okay. You got a long... I'm not going to interrupt. We are far from done tonight. So next category. What's one place you'd like to be able to visit once every year? Maybe during your...

The moon? Mating cycle. That would see? That's what I'm talking about. That would be the coolest place. Well, not the coolest, but like it would be. It's not a place you'd need to go to more than once. I think, I don't know.

Everyone that's been there is like, wow, this changed my life. I got to get back. The last few years I've been going to the Pontanol in Brazil every year, and I really look forward to it. And I think I could do that trip every year for the rest of my life and be pretty happy. So I'm pick that, or glacier, one of those two places. Yeah, that's great. Yellowstone's probably the place that I visited the most that I haven't gotten sick of being there.

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So I prepared an animal song bracket that I shared with you guys a little bit earlier. Other than that, do you want to do lesson or questions now or later or not at all? Let's just do your bracket. And then if we feel like doing them afterwards, we will. Cool. So I put together a little, like a mini March Bandness bracket about hit songs that have an animal in the title. And I ceded them out.

We're just going to do this as quick or as long as it takes us. I don't really care. And I shared it with you guys. If anyone wants to complain about how I seeded these songs, just know that we're all in agreement. You know, we're all fine with how things ended up. So shut up. There's probably songs that we could have included that maybe would have been better.

Yeah. But we're happy with these. Right. Inclusions. I tried to pick songs that basically everybody. We've spent a lot of time on this. Yeah. On what?

This bracket. We've like gone through everything. And this is our 16. Yeah. I looked up the Wikipedia article of every song ever. And I thoroughly combed. through it. And these are the 16 songs I ended up with. Seated them one through eight, two sides of the bracket. So our first matchup, the number one seed versus the number eight seed. We

have Blackbird by the Beatles. And we have the eight seed, butterfly by Crazy Ten. Which, how does it go? I mean, come my lady, come, come my lady, be my butterfly. Sugar. Baby. Yeah. And they stole the John Fershant to guitar. RIP, the guy that. that sings that song, just died. Just died? Just died? A little monster?

No, he's not a Hilo Monster. He's not the guy who just died by the heel monster? No, that was in February. This guy just died like last week. Oh. Like literally just died. Man. Yeah.

Another Hilo Monster dead. He's got an interesting name. It's like Stinky Pete or Stanky Pete or something. Oh, really? He had a couple of different like states names. I know, the Jel box jelly Pete. It was something else. No, stinky Pete.

It's the toy story. Like the prospect. Stanky something. Stanky. Box, Jeff. I'm definitely picking Blackbird by the Beatles. Really? Yes, without a doubt.

Me too. Jeff? I think that's my favorite Beatles song. It's in contention from... Blackbird singing in the dynamite. Yeah. Some good history behind it. I think, well, we don't get into it.

Look it up yourself. Do your own research. Let's have, could we... Is what we're supposed to do? Are we... Are we able to have Braxton cut in a short three-second snippet of each of these songs? Let's try and get them to do that. I think that you can...

go like what's that one podcast the songs explained the yeah there's like 60 songs explain the 90s 90s yeah he can only do like seven seconds and then I think he gets copyright yeah I did I kind of messed up this is a subscriber episode it's not yeah it's gonna be okay yeah so so we'll do like a minute yeah I think I messed up firing bill regardless of what happens after every episode because like if he messes up what am I going to do fire him yeah you know like he That's going to happen no matter what. He's got nothing to be worried about. Well, I come crawling back every time, though.

You're hired again, Bill, for this one. All right, Blackbird. Blackbird went. Yes, so the first, this is the Western bracket. Okay. As if that makes a difference. The next round is the number two seed versus the seventh seed. We have Hound Dog by Elvis and Crocodile Rock.

Ain't nothing but Hound Dog. Yeah, we don't even need to splice in music for that. So, and the seven seed is Crocodile Rock, Elton John. A song which I used to really like. It's a good song. And now kind of find a little annoying. Yeah. If I'm being 100% TBH.

Most of his songs I feel that way about. I'm going hound dog without a doubt. Really? Yeah. I know the mind. Oh. Yeah. I love it.

Yeah. But I like it. So you guys are picking hound dog? Yeah. I was thinking maybe I'd go a crocodile rock. Hound dog against one. Okay. Great.

Let's move on. Next round is our first three six seed matchup. We have. At number three, a horse with no name by America. I've been through the desert on a horse. And number six, the lion sleeps tonight by the tokens. I love lion's sleep tonight. I think it's great.

I know you guys that song. I know you guys a song sleep tonight. Wow, really. Yeah, that's a fun song. It's like a novelty song to be the most. A weimo. It's fun. That's a fun song.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. You having fun singing it? I am. Say a weimoep. A wemoep. Yeah, it's fun.

A wemoep. Yeah. You just see Billy Joel and, uh, that one guy. I remember when that was on the radio. Yeah, Jimmy Fallon. They covered it on late 19 or something. Yeah.

That was funny. Jimmy Fallon, that guy can see. That's why he courts so many women. If there's like one thing I can give Jimmy credit for it, like he's a pretty talented musician. Yeah, pretty talented.

Okay, so. And he's friends with Justin Timberley. Lion sleeps tonight. You could give him credit for that. Yeah, I can give him credit for that, I guess. So last matchup on the West Side. four or five matchup. Hungry like the wolf,

Duran Duran. That is what a song. But it's going up against Buffalo Soldier by Bob, Bab, Bab Marley. Yeah. I'm going hungry like the wolf. I think I'm picking Buffalo Soldier.

Oh, up to Mike. So I like Hungry Like the Wolf more. I just feel weird picking, I don't know, Buffalo Soldier is kind of like more than a song, it seems. Yeah. It's like some historical context. Pick the song you like better.

He's probably singing about a bison. Okay, I'm going to go with Hunger like the Wolf. Yeah. I just think it's a better song. Yeah. I think he's singing about a bison. He's not. Buffalo soldier?

He's definitely not. Bison, no. You think he's singing about buffalo? Well, do you know what a buffalo soldier is? It was like, was it a black person or a native person that fought in the war? It's like African. African American, yeah. But it should have been a bison soldier.

Technically, you know, we didn't have Buffalo. But they have... Yeah, but Buffalo's still an accepted name. Right. Anyway. Okay, so Hungry Like the Wolf moves on. Okay, so moving on to the east side. We have number one versus number eight.

I of the tiger survivor. Ooh, I like that. Bah, man. Oh, who let the dogs out? This is a tough one, huh? That's my choice. Okay. Wes, I'm going to make you be the tiebreaker because I'm not picking Baham.

I of the tiger. I'm picking I. The tiger. School dances when they put on who let the dogs out, we would go crazy. They would start and all the girls start throwing it back. The girls would run away. We're barking. Okay.

Next matchup, number two versus number seven. We have Free Bird, Lynn and Skipper. And Brass Monkey by the Beastie Boys. I'll go first this time since I don't like Brass Monkey. Okay. But I hate Free Bird. Me too. So I'm picking Brass Monkey.

This is where I fall on that too. Yeah. I don't really have a strong opinion about you. And I love the Beastie Boys. I'm going to pass. You can't just pick one too. Just pick. No, I pass.

Here, think about it this way. You have Free Bird, which is like 400 minutes of pure agony. Yeah, it doesn't matter what he picks. Oh, we do. Okay. Yeah, great. So you can pass. All right.

So we're going Beastie Poise. I love the Beastie Boys. Me too. That's not their best. effort. Not at all. Okay. Next matchup, we have three versus six, when doves cry by Prince versus fly like an eagle by either the Steve Miller band or seal from Space Jam, whichever version you want. I'm going fly by an eagle. Fly like an eagle. I'm going to go when doves cry. Me too. Come on. It's Prince. Yeah. And that is a great song. It's space jam.

Sing it. Fly like an eagle. to this guy. It's a good song. I'm not going to, like, that's a great song. But come on. Come on, bro. It's Prince. I don't think it's so great of a song.

What does that even mean? That's a stupid line song. Now you know what it sounds like when they cry. They don't cry. Yeah, it sounds like this. Doop. Doo do, do. Okay.

Next matchup. Four versus five. Okay, so we have Barracuda. This is four or five. There is a good. Barakuda by heart versus Karma Chameleon by Culture Club. Barakuda hands down.

Yeah, I agree. Yeah, Karma Chameleon too. Barakuta is such a cool word. Yeah, just you saying Karma Chameleon almost puts that song in my head. It's tough in my head. It's a tough song. So wait, we don't have baby shark on you? No.

Oh, wow. That'd probably be the number one. Let's talk about that. I mean, just by cultural impact alone. Yeah. Okay, so moving on to second round. we have number one seed blackbird versus the number four seed hungry like the wolf blackbird yeah let's do this lightning round you just yell out what you like great

I'm gonna try to keep track of like who's where okay next round hound dog versus bear no hound dog versus lion sleeps tonight I don't know I'm so bad hound dog okay brass actually I'm going lion sleeps tonight Oh, what do you, Mike picks hound dog, right? Yeah, hound dog. Yeah. Yeah, they're both kind of like a little. I love a lot.

Lion Sleep tonight is a good song. I'll die on that hill. Okay, so next we have, I of the Tiger versus Barracuda. I of the Tiger versus Barakuda. Yeah. Barakuta. Ooh. This is tight for me.

I, the tiger's a good one. I know. Rocky. And I like how it's like singing specifically about. the eye of the tiger. I only want to listen to I of the tiger. I'm going eye of the tiger. Trying to get pumped up.

I like Barakud all the time. I'm going to go eye of the tiger. All right. Yeah. Okay. So next we have some iconic movies. Yeah. Brass monkey.

School of rock and rocky. Brass monkey versus the, uh, when doves cry. When doves cry. Yes. Okay. Brass monkey. Mike, you picked one dove's cry. Yeah, I did.

Shoot. Like, I, how do they cry? Uh, And then he goes, Woo-hoo! Next we have Blackbird versus, what is it even? Blackbird verse, lion sleeps tonight.

Hound dog. Hound dog. Yep. Shoot. That's the one two-seed matcha. That's a, I think it's Blackbird. Yeah, Blackbird, for sure. Beatles, Supreme.

Next we have, what do we have? Eye of the Tiger. Verse, hungry like the wolf? No, when dubs cry. Is that what we're at now? Okay. Yeah, you're right. Is it, yeah, it's doves cry.

Yeah, doves cry. Verse. When doves cry. What's the breaking vote? Voight. What's the breaking vote? What's the voting vote? I'm going, I'm actually going when doves cry.

All right. Number three seed. So it's that versus Blackbird. I would say Blackbird. Is that what we're at now? Just two stupid birds. Okay. So final, I guess this is the final round, right?

Blackbird versus when doves cry. Blackbird. I think the first time I listened That song I almost cried It's so pretty It's an amazingly Just a perfect When Doves Cry is an amazing song

Was that Paul or John? Paul Nice job Paul Yeah Like don't give you credit You deserve sometimes I feel like it's been overused It's been like overused

So people It's kind of like a Wonderwall Of the Beatles Discography But like It's an incredible song Wonderwall's an incredible song Sure

Yeah I think I think Blackbird suffers a little bit because it's like not the hardest song to learn like Wonderwall. It's not a hard song to learn on the guitar. So every freshman in college learns how to play it. And it's like, okay, dude. But it's beautiful.

But yeah. I mean, there's a reason why everybody wants to learn how to play that. When Dobs Cry is also a beautiful song. Yeah. Anyway. Beautiful is a weird word for it. No one quite does it like Prince though. No, that's true.

Man, what a guy. Yeah. Miss him. Yeah. All right. Well, there you go. All right. Champion.

Blackbird. Yeah. I think I'm good with that. I don't think we need to do any listener question. Yeah, I mean either. Let's not do them then. Okay. Let's be done.

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