Tooth & Claw: True Stories of Animal Attacks - The Bear and the Biker - A Roundup of Recent Animal Attack News Including Stories About a Bear and a Motorcyclist in Romania, Cowboy Cody's Raccoon Toss, and More

Episode Date: July 14, 2025

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And then I am Jeff Larsen. Those are the few words that can. Looking sharp today, Jeff. Oh, yeah, I got a new shirt. L.L. Bean. I don't think I've ever... Oh, that's a bean? You're wearing a bean?

Nice. I was in Maine. That's their headquarters. Yeah. Whoa. I haven't been to Maine if you don't bean it up. That's what they say. You haven't been to Maine?

You didn't even see Stephen King while you're there, so I don't believe you were. were there or penny wise i might have i saw like a thousand people that looked like him okay just a hundred year old people crawling around the roads hey is it cool if this episode's only like seven minutes long because oh please nope billion degrees in west you guys you guys are always acting like short episodes i like talking i know i'll talk forever you know i might die today i'm on adderall i want to just freaking talk it's a hundred degrees that's and you guys won't let me run my super loud AC unit during these recordings.

You have a house so you can record it. Oh, it's so loud in there, Jeff. You have no idea, my guy. Hey, a quick apology. I was out of touch for a week floating a river in the desert. And I think all, Jeff was in Maine. Mike was just kind of lost in his own thoughts. I have a good excuse.

We forgot to tell people that we had a week off, just baked into our schedule. we had a week off and we should have warned everyone about that. So sorry to all of you who were upset that there wasn't an episode that week. If you ever just really Jonesing for more content though, just go on to Patreon, sign up, check out our extra content on there. And if you don't like it, you can always, yeah, I know, but I'm talking about people that aren't on there. They're probably the most upset. They had the most reason to be upset. Yeah, I feel like we've given them an episode a week forever and then just.

Yeah, we blew it. messed it up. Sorry, guys. You're getting too... I don't think people realize how hard our job is, though. I don't think you realize how hard our job is. Well, on that note, so should we do it? Should we do our new stories for the month and a half?

Yeah. I think we should say, too, like, pretty heavy on bears right now for the news. Yeah, it's bear season. Mine especially is very bare heavy. I got one bear story. Mike, do you have any bear stories whatsoever? I barely have any. Yeah.

I don't think I even have one. I guess we'll see what that means. Well, I have three. Do you want to go first then? You want to do one of your bear stories right off the bat? What level of injury do you want? I want you to go hard to start. Okay.

So, July 3rd. Wes, what speed do you think on a motorcycle? What speed would a motorcyclist have to be at to be more likely to kill? kill a brown bear than the bear killing him. You know what I mean? A brown bear? Yeah. Like if you hit the bear going five miles an hour, the bear's more likely to kill him than he is to kill the bear.

Yeah. But like 80 miles an hour? Yeah. I don't know. Because he's still kind of likely to die. Right. There's a certain speed where both of you are very likely to die. And then there's probably a speed where you're probably going to survive, but the bear might not.

So I'd say like 40 miles per hour. Person's probably going to make it through that. Bears probably going to get hit too hard. They're pretty durable though. Yeah, they're robust animals. You know, that's just a question I thought of. It's not that real. Yeah, it's a hard one.

I think we got to run some models for that. It's not that relevant to the story. Okay. Omar Farang Zinn. Mike, do you want to comment on that? Well, I was just wondering, can humans survive a 40 mile an hour impact from a motorcycle? I just, I'm realizing right now, I have like no frame of reference for this. I feel like the person could get thrown and just kind of skid, you know?

Like if you jumped out of a moving car at 40, I think you can survive. So I think a person could survive that. But I think getting hit with an object at 40 miles per hour. You're a toast. It's going to do a lot of damage. And it's almost, it's not as bad as hitting a car at 40 miles an hour, but it's like pretty sturdy object. Like what, Isaac Newton, whatever's emotion stays. Yeah.

Well, now that we're going into this, like a stationary object getting hit by something, all of that force is exerting. on that object. But if you're like going 40 and you hit something and you continue going 40 miles per hour, then you're not like transferring all of your energy into one thing, you know? So I think that's like a lot safer for the person than the thing being hit. Can't these bears run almost fastest 40 miles? So if a bear ran into another bear at 40 miles an hour, that bear would have heard it. They both die.

The mass is a big factor. what you just said, Wes. Like if it was an elephant, it would, like, completely stop the bike as well, you know. Totally. But I'm seeing, like, in my mind, I'm seeing the bike hitting the bear and the person, like, flying over it, you know, like, not the person flying into the bear, but flying over it. If he's fast enough, he might be able to just run. Yeah, that's true.

He could just, like, do his legs, pinwheeled legs in the air and hit the ground running. One of the craziest things I've ever seen was a motorcycle hit a car in Guatemala. And the guy did a front flip over the car and landed on his feet. That is cool. And he had to like sit down and like be like, am I okay? But he was. I wish he just lit a cigarette and walked away. That would have been a lot cooler.

Well, anyways, Omar Farang Zinn, an Italian airport worker close to Milano, Italy. He was just recently vacationing on the July 3rd is when this incident happened. but he was vacationing on his motorcycle in Romania, which is about as cool of a vacation as I think you can have. He was in this area called the Transfar Garcian Road. Have you heard of that, Wes? No, my favorite. If you look up a picture of it, it looks a lot like the going to sun road and glacier.

Cool. Super windy road up, just beautiful, huge mountain. And it's one of the best places in Romania to see brown bears. Nice. Now, online, and I think you've talked about this, but I always forget what you say, but Romania has like 10,000 to 13,000 bears is what they're reporting. Yeah, I think it's less than that, actually. But it definitely has...

Remember you say in something like that. Yeah. But that's what they say. The most bears of any European country outside of, like, Russia. Yeah. No, sometimes Russia is kind of considered Europe and Asia, but mostly Asia. So, yeah, the most bears in any European country. It seems like the population's really popped off recently in the country wasn't really expecting it to from what I was reading.

Very cool because it's one of the best places, especially in Europe, but honestly in the whole world, to see a brown bear, is to, especially like this road that he was in this park. So, yeah, just imagine you're on like a motorcycle trip in Glacier National Park going to the Sun Road. So he's there a few days, just having the time of his life. and he was taking selfies with multiple bears every day, just like pointing at him or like taking a selfie and like posting that to, you know, friends, family, social media. And then on July 3rd, as if in a movie, he parked his bike right next to a sign that said,

don't feed the animals. Mm-hmm. He got off, got some food out. Got off. And started trying to get. a nearby female grizzly even closer to potentially he had his phone out so maybe he's trying to get a better shot more exciting close up you know but he's trying to lure this bear in and unfortunately for him it worked like a charm the bear came right up to him then it used like it's huge claws

and mouth knocked him over dragged his body across the road and down 260 feet of cliff wow where then he probably died from going down the cliff because they can go down pretty steep cliffs like a lot better than humans. So it dragged him, I'm sure it dropped him down a few cliff ledges and stuff. But when wildlife officials arrived, Omar was dead and the bear was acting really aggressively towards them. So they also killed the bear. And there's a lot of talk right now about just like that area of Romania really needs, I mean, I mean, what people are proposing is to kill off like a third of the bears. Yeah.

But wildlife experts in the area are like, well, why don't we start off by like having better bear management? Like they're not doing anything to- Education. Like in Yellowstone, Wes's job was to get bears away from roads. Deter bears make them have like bad responses to humans. There's none of that going on in this area. the bears are like definitely led into roads because they see that as a source of food from people traveling. And it feels kind of like early Yellowstone days almost where people just treating bears like they're not wild, dangerous animals.

And as we've said a lot, like get bear spray like in people's hands out there, you know. Yeah. To be fair, too, like when Yellowstone closed their dumps and stopped feeding bears, they did have to kill a lot of bears. Like, they killed hundreds of bears to kind of get rid of that line of genetics of these bears that were food conditioned. And I'm not saying that's what Romania has to do. I agree with you that, like, better management and better education are the two things to start with, especially in 2025 when we have all of that knowledge.

But I just wanted to make sure we weren't too quick to, like, point the finger at a different country and say, like, oh, they want to kill bears, that's terrible. Because we've killed our fair share of bears in the past. This episode is brought to you by hymns. Snoring, hogging the covers, tossing and turning, these are problems in the bedroom that Hymns can't help with. My problem is I'm going to bed at 8 a.m. again. I don't know what happened.

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Yeah. Mike? We could stay in Castle Dracula. Cal me in, baby. I'm ready. Let's set it. I'll set it up. All right.

It is crazy. I'm on Adderall. Yeah, we know. I mean, we can tell. You're wearing a business shirt, too. You might as well. It's pretty wild how bears really, speaking of motorbikes, but they can do the hot rod fall and just like get up and walk away from it.

Like nothing happened. It's crazy to see that footage of like big cats or bears just tumbling down an entire mountain. I think they could survive getting hit by that bike. I'm deciding. They're tanking that easy. There are a lot of those videos where the bears die. From a motorcycle? No, from tumbling down a mountain.

There have been bears that have died from motorcycles, though. Sure. Yes. See, I feel like if you're saying just a helmet, like he doesn't have like padding or anything. Yeah. I don't think there's ever a speedway. Are you saying helmet? Yeah, helmet.

A pyramid. More likely to survive than the bear. Yeah. I think it's if like the list of things to hit on your motorcycle or like bad things. I think bears are pretty close to the top of that list. I don't know. Not even close. bombs acid the president

volcanoes just a wall of magma all right I've got a fun story you guys ready for a fun one yes sir all right this first story features a guy named cowboy Cody and he lives on a little farm in rural Murray Kentucky

and it seems like he might be a person that has a hard time battling intrusive thoughts when they come up and I recently learned a definition for intrusive thoughts those are the thoughts that are telling you to do something against your morals, which I thought was an interesting way to define that. Anyway, in early June,

Cowboy Cody decides to go to some local bars, wet his whistle a bit, but I think he's already had a few, and when he shows up at the Big Apple Bar and Grill, they decide not to let him in, which may seem unfair to you guys, but he has a bit of a reputation in this little town. He was previously banned from this very same bar

for quote-unquote a drunken, Mule incident, which we're not talking to Moscow mule here. We're talking about the animal, the mule. And also quote unquote, bull whipping people in the bar. So, yeah, so he gets a little rowdy sometimes. Just this last winner for a second time, he led the police on a chase through town. But it wasn't exactly a high speed chase because he was on a mule. And it didn't take them very long to catch him and throw him in the drunk take with some lesser charges.

So you might expect Cowboy Cody doesn't love that the Big Apple is refusing entry to him. And even though most of people know his history of being a rascal, the bar sends Mary Hafner, who's one of their most experienced and calm bartenders out to give him the news. And he says, oh, I see, they sent a pretty face out here to distract me. He's smart. He knows their tricks. Get anything past this guy. Yeah.

The plan does seem to work, though. and he leaves the bar and goes back to his car, and I'm sure everyone working at the Big Apple breathes this collective sigh of relief. But then he shows back up, and he's not alone. You see, earlier that day, he had caught a raccoon, and he's now holding this raccoon by this scruff, and it's really pissed off and scared.

And he walks up to the door of this bar and throws this terrified raccoon into the middle of the bar and then goes back to his car. Poor raccoon. I know. I think he probably imagined this raccoon just like, turning into the like Tasmanian devil and like shooting all over the place and causing a ton of chaos. And initially that's not what's not at all what happened.

Like there apparently is a video of this somewhere. I couldn't find it. Just took a seat at the bar all called me. He thought he was like throwing a grenade in it. Just ordered like a shot of whiskey. No, this raccoon's looking like pretty terrified. It's kind of hiding. It's trying to escape all these different patrons.

But then one of the bar employed. decides that he's going to take matters into his own hands and Mary the woman that we mentioned earlier was like hey I know how to handle a raccoon she's like Kentucky born in bread pretty face and yeah and this guy's like no no I got it and he runs up to this raccoon and grabs it by the tail it turns around and bites him really hard on his hand he lets it go and Mary's like I got this she gets a towel she corners the raccoon throws the towel over it and takes it outside and releases it and a quick side note here, if someone's ever bit

by an animal like a raccoon or a bat or anything that's potentially rabid and there's a way for you not to get rid of that animal, don't get rid of it because it's a lot cheaper and easier for the doctors to test the animal for rabies than it is to test you for rabies.

Just so now. All right, cowboy Cody's gone. He's pulled over by police down the road. He refuses to roll down his window and talk to them. They managed to get him out of the car and he's arrested once again. It's his right to not roll the window. It's true.

His mug shots are really funny because they all look absolutely identical, but his hair is like a little bit different in them. But it looks like someone just took like the same mudshot like four times. It is pretty funny. On a more serious side, though, it doesn't sound like he's very good to his animals. He has like, he had charges of animal cruelty with his mules. obviously wasn't very good to this raccoon. So I really hope that he learns his lesson this time around and manages to fight some of his demons

and at least be nicer to animals. I do think like as a like I'm a business guy, always thinking business. If I was the bar owner, I think I'd want at least one person, regular like, like, cowboy Cody. Yeah, you might as well. I mean, going to bars a lot of times it feels kind of dead. There's like not much.

entertainment so it's like that guy's providing you free entertainment people that went to the bar that night will be like hey we went I went to Big Apple today someone threw a raccoon in the middle of the floor like you know everyone they tell that to is going to that bar next the next or like the friend is like hey I notice you're missing your left eye and you're like yeah this guy in the bar pulled out his bullwhip and started hitting people and it was pretty sick all right Mike, you got something for us? I guess I do.

So this one, this one happened June 27th of this year. That's how news works usually. Or these news episodes work. I got this from standard.com.uk, of all places. The Brits are reporting on this one for me. And this one's interesting for a couple of different reasons. But in some of the stories that we tell, sometimes that initial encounter with the animal isn't even really the worst of it.

Sometimes the effects that linger on. afterwards are really what is going to cause the most problems for these people. Such is the case for a young man named Beckham Reed. Young man, he's two years old. I don't know. When do you become a young man? Not yet. Two is not a young man.

You tell me that. I would say like 11. Really? Eight years old. Yeah. It's when you become age of young. Yeah. I like that.

Okay. So imagine you're the parents of two year old Beckham Reed. your little boy, he's outside in the backyard with his cousins. He's driving around on his electric toy car. You got that vision in your brain? Yeah. What kind of car you think he's got, Wes? A little Ferrari.

Camaro. You think these are like high roller. I'm not sure. Well, actually I do, and we'll get it to the family's finances in a little bit. He was scooting around for a while, as usual, and then he accidentally runs over a yellow jacket nest inside, like, under the ground. You know how sometimes wasps will nest under you. Yellow jackets, especially nest underground. Which I think is kind of unfair of them to do because it's like, you can fly.

Why don't you put your nest somewhere where you're like, we're not going to step on it? Then you won't have to attack us. It's nice and cool underground. It feels like being up would protect them more too. I'm not sure. That's what I would think. Up in a tree or up in a roof, like you just got to look out for birds. But down on the ground, you got to look out for birds, cats, foxes, coyotes, young men.

The thing that we need to remember is they're not paper wasps. So they don't make a structure like a paper wasp can. Yellow jackets are just nesting in like cavities. I don't believe they're like building a paper nest. All I'm saying is that it's kind of like the meme of the guy on the bike who's like putting the stick through the spokes of his own bike. And then he gets mad when he falls over. It's like, I just maybe don't nest in the backyard. In the middle of a bike path.

Right. But again, I'm not a bee. So a swarm of yellow jackets quickly covers him from head to toe, stinging him more than 150 times. Jeez. Crazy. So his dad, either who saw or heard what was going on in the backyard, he rushed out, he grabbed Beckham, hustled him into the house, and then they ran off to the emergency room. He and his wife with Beckham.

Yeah. And that was where the doctors administered morphine and Benadryl. And then they actually sent him home because he appeared to be breathing normally. Everything seemed to be okay. And it was like, well, that sucked, but it's in the past. You know, we'll move forward and it's going to be a little sore for a bit. But we're past it. We think he'll be okay.

That's what they said. And then they looked at each other and kind of chuckled. He didn't understand. He can't even really speak yet. Can two-year-old speak? I don't know. But he can drive a car? America, crazy country.

Yeah, this is happening in Brunswick, Georgia. I think I mentioned that, but if I didn't, there you go. So, less than 24 hours later, his condition got worse again. He started turning yellow. His breathing started to be turning into one. Yeah, he's one of those radioactive bees. He's about to be bee man. No, so they rushed him back to the emergency heroes.

Just so everyone knows these aren't bees they were talking about. Wasps, yellow jackets specifically. They rushed him back to the emergency room because he's turning yellow, swelling up, it's looking bad again. And it was discovered there that several of his organs were failing, including his liver and his heart.

And one more deadly wrinkle to this story is that he was actually born with only one kidney. And when you get stung by, especially by a lot of bees, your kidneys... So according to the National Library of Medicine, yeah, wasps, sorry. Acute kidney injury can be observed in patients suffering from stings,

occasionally leading to renal failure, or kidney failure. So if you only got one kidney, you're going to want that one to be functioning at its optimal capacity. And if these waft stings are going to get in the way of that, things are going to look pretty dire for him. So most of the time, stings, again, they're not deadly. But on the rare occasion with people who have preexisting health conditions or allergies especially, they can be life-threatening, especially with like 150 of them. A two-year-old, 150 stings can be deadly, even if you're like perfectly healthy. You like that's crazy amount of stings for such a small body.

Yeah. So he was transferred to an intensive care unit at Memorial Savannah, put on dialysis, ventilator support, and critical IV medication. So the latest, the family did set up a go fund me, and I'll link that in the description below. If you want to help out, he's been improving. The latest update was a positive one. It's moving the right direction.

But the father's had to take a lot of time off work. The mother is pregnant with another child on the way. So it's just like a really tough financial situation for this family at the moment. But the GoFundMe is doing great. Not saying that all their needs are covered, but at least we can say that a good chunk of it's being met at this point. Do we have any updates on his status? Like, is he doing okay? He's doing better.

I mean, he's not, I don't think he's in it at risk of death at this point anymore. Yeah. But he's still like heavily monitored and medicated and full-time hospital type of situation. That's a lot of stinks. That's a lot of venom in a little body. So that's pretty terrible. Yeah, tough one. Huh.

Beckham, you got this dude. Yeah, good luck, buddy, little buddy. He wasn't a young man before he is now. Yeah, yeah, it's the ride of passage. If you're like me, you like watching TV more than you like keeping track of your finances. Actually, you like doing almost anything more than keeping track of your finances. That's why Rocket Money is so helpful for me because it can't. keeps track of all my finances and a very visually pleasing and easy way to understand.

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I think of fires. Exploding the White House. Fires, right? I think fireworks setting fires. You think about that over aliens blowing up the White House. If you were to say Independence Day, I would think of aliens blowing up the White House. But if you say Fourth of July, I think I'm just telling you how my brain works here, guy. Like, I'm getting a little worked up.

I apologize. And my thoughts are pretty scattered too, because, again, like the last story, that doesn't completely relate to. what I'm about to say. Okay. This did happen on the 4th of July. Yeah. But it was in Canada, so I don't think it really matters. Well, they've got the 2nd of July.

That's their Independence Day. Sure. This. So maybe there's some leftover fires. Do they go hard for 2nd July there? I think they go kind of hard. Yeah. Independence.

Probably a lot more politely. I don't know. Like the French probably. Don't they still like have the freaking king of England over it or something? It's a good problem. Sorry, Canadians, but I mean, come on. We're out in British Columbia, right? A group of firefighters.

We're with a fire crew 110 kilometers west of Fort Nelson. They're patrolling. It doesn't seem like they're working on a specific fire, but they're more just like looking at burn zones for close by fires and stuff like that and looking at like burn piles and just patrolling this area, okay? They really were just giving forts out to anybody back then, weren't they? Fort Nelson? Who's there to Nelson?

I don't know. I bet I would have had a fort named after me if I live back then. You probably have 20 forts named Fort Smith out there. That's true. If you guys, Mike, I know you're going to say a gun or something, but if you guys were a firefighter with firefighter tools, like forest fire and you're in grizzly country, rank the tools you'd want to have to fend off a brown bear. Chainsaw would be number one for me.

Yeah. Yeah. Our grandpa fended off a grizzly bear with a chainsaw. Mike West took chainsaw. So what do you? Jeff interrupted me during a very interesting little side tidbit there. That is interesting. Our grandpa once fended off a grizzly bear in British Columbia with the chainsaw.

So I know it can work. I mean, he kind of did. He did. He fended it. He shot it with a gun. Yeah, but he used the chainsaw to scare it off. Nice. They should be handing those out in Romania.

Chainsaws. Mike, what do you pick? Motorcycle. All right. I don't know. What was the question? I'm sorry, I wasn't listening to the answer. I knew you wouldn't answer it throughout.

Forest fire. Yes. Forced firefighters, like you guys are taking turn choosing their tools that they use to fend off a grizzly bear. Oh. So that doesn't count. I'm not letting you get away with joke answers. What do fire?

I have no idea. This is like a shovel. Shovel, axe, Pulaski. So like you're going to choose a bunch of compass. Yeah. An axe. Or no, a fire hose.

That would do you. A fire hose might actually work. They don't use fire hoses. Just let them answer. One of those planes that dumps out the pink stuff. How about that? All right. We can just.

skip that. But anyways, firefighters do have some tools on them, which can be used against a grizzly bear, right? That's kind of the point I'm getting at. Well, me and Wes have a cousin. Mike, it's your friend Brent, and he works in the Forest Service. And Wes, what's his favorite tool? A Pulaski. Pulaski. What do you do with a Pulaski? A Pulaski has like a pick end on one end and then kind of like a shovel, almost axe-looking end on the other end. And you can do a lot with it. Like you can pull out rocks or roots. You can chop.

You can dig. It's kind of like a really good tool for a lot of different things. Yeah, like making trails. It's very versatile. You can use it for, it's, it's something just like, you know, almost like a carpenter with a hammer. They use it for a bunch of different things. This fire crew leader, he starts like working and he's walking around and he's a

little bit separated from the group and he surprises a mother grizzly bear with two cubs. So a sow with two cubs. Not what you want to be surprising. Not great. So this bear immediately swipes at his legs. Amazingly, what I read was he stood his ground on the leg swipe. It like hit his legs, but he didn't fall over right away. And then he took two swipes at the bear and then it knocked him over.

and once it knocked him over, it tried to bite his head off. Okay. Or at least it tried to bite his head. I assume if it could, it would bite his head clean off. Right. Why not? I don't feel bad saying it tried to. Sure.

So, as this bear, mouth wide open coming at this guy's head, right? Yeah. But he has one of the most versatile tools that a firefighter can have, a Pulaski. And one of its many uses is. is getting shoved into a brown bear's mouth so they can't bite you. Okay. So he shoves it straight into the bear's mouth. The bear can't bite him at this point because it does have like this huge metal thing in its mouth.

But still, that's like a ton of weight on top of you, right? So he puts the metal head in its mouth or like the wood part of it in its mouth? I'm pretty sure he put the metal part in. I think I saw this story. I'm pretty sure it's the wood because there's big gouges in the wood. when he shoved it in its mouth. Yeah. I thought that it maybe bit the wood over the metal.

I didn't read which side. I saw the same picture as you. It bit the wood for sure. Yeah. But I still felt like he put the middle end it. But Wes could be right. It could have been the stick end. Either way, he has this wedged in its mouth,

and it's keeping it from being able to bite him. But the bear's putting all this weight onto him. So then he kind of has to readjust his hands to, like, keep the... the Pulaski wedged in the bear's mouth. And when he does that, his hand, like, slides way up it, and the bear bites his hand. And he gets a pretty, like, bad wound on his hand. Yeah. And he's screaming, and the rest of his crew is only 100 meters away.

So they hear the screams. They run up. They use West's number one choice besides bear spray. A chainsaw, start revving it works really well, especially in a big group. So the bear gets scared. It and its cubs run. off the guys lifted to safety without too serious of injuries. Nice.

Maybe people should use chainsaws instead of those hiker bells. Just hang a couple of those off your back. That would probably work a lot better than the bells, for sure. There'd probably be some other injuries, but I've got another bear one too. This one's from Pinguich, Utah, or Severe County. This is actually closer to Hatch, Utah. This is right around where we were doing our Black Bear work, where I had my Black Bear study that Jeff helped out on.

Some of the bears that me and West Trapped wandered into this forest, right? Yeah. And actually, this year there's a huge fire in that area pretty close to hatch that's burned, I think over 30,000 acres. And so this could, just to kind of put a pin in this, this could be part of the reason for this encounter

is that this fire could have displaced this bear and it might be having a harder time finding food or habitat. Anyway, in mid-June, a 43-year-old construction worker was attacked by a 300-pound black bear while working at a cabin site in Bryce Woodlands, Utah. This guy's name is Nate Peterson. He was bitten and scratched by the bear, and he had some pretty good muscle damage on his left arm. He had a nice chunk pulled out of his left arm. He said, Crazy Bear, I was just sitting there minding my own business.

Bear walked up and hit the side of my bed. Then he came over and jumped on my bed. He tried to scare it away, but it pursued him. it jumped down and bit his arm he started screaming and tried to throw it off and then started throwing stuff at it and it continued following him but sooner or later I think he was able to finally deter this bear

maybe I didn't say in any of the articles but maybe someone showed up and helped him get this bear away Pulaski maybe Pulaski yeah or Pohanski it could have been Pallansky too Roman Polanski might have shown up to do this All right so he had a pretty terrible experience

he had to go to the hospital. As far as I know, he is still in the hospital because he's had some crazy infections and stuff start up. The article I used is Fox 13 in Salt Lake City. And anyway, he's in the hospital. He still has an infection. He's going to remain hospitalized for a bit, as far as I can tell from his GoFundMe. There is a GoFundMe for him as well, which will also link in our show notes. It sounds like this has been quite the financial hardship for his family, not only time away from work, but also expensive

medical bills, and it seems like they're still quite a ways from hitting their goal on their GoFundMe. So we'll link that as well. If you just want to look it up, just look up Nate Peterson, Bear, GoFundMe, and it should come up in your Google search. My turn, right? Okay, so this one, my next news story, about a month ago, thank you for some vigilant Discord users for helping me target this one.

But some customs officials in India stopped an airline passenger from traveling from Thailand into Mumbai after they noticed some dangerous contraband in his checked and baggage. And Wes, you can probably, Jeff, you two, you probably see where this story is going. Yeah. This one's a little exceptional, but sadly not like super uncommon, but he was arrested right then and there, this traveler. And they found, included in what they found in his checked bag was 44 Indonesian pit vipers, three spider-tailed horn vipers and five Asian leaf turtles.

So just an entire bag, probably several bags full of just animals. I don't know how people think they're going to. Like, how do you think that's going to just go through? You like put it up on the thing to get weighed and it's just like wriggling around. He's just like, oh, shoot, they're checking bags today. It's like, yeah, of course they are. They always do. Oh, those spiders, especially in India, where they make you take out like,

every single little cord that you've ever owned in your entire life. He had to like unpack each snake one by one and lay him out. Mike told that one guy, you too, and he said have a nice flight. That was his fault. He was set me up. That was crazy how he asked that question. I agree with you actually. But it's just funny how he was like, I'm not flying.

Yeah. The spider-tailed horn vipers are cool. There was one of those like blue chip documentary Our Planet or Planet Earth or whatever that featured them not long ago. And they have a tail. They blend in perfectly with the rocks. And then their tail looks just like a spider and they move it. So it looks just like a spider. And then as birds fly in, they strike out and kill the bird.

They're a cool, cool snake. How do you feel about the possibility of being on an airplane with one of those? Oh, man. I would just hope that my guy Samuel L. Jackson's around to take care of it, you know? Would you go into the bathroom with that? No. No. And go have sex with that guy?

Yeah. Yeah, the guy. Why the guy? Because he's the one that initiated it. That's true. Yeah. I'm not going to initiate it. You have a hard time saying no.

I think that's what Mike was referring to. I'd be fine with it as long as there's not flowers that release hermo or like release Fair amounts. Something that makes him more aggressive. Right. Was that part of the story? Yeah. It's next to the plane.

So just to get the story going again, sadly again, according to officials, the illegal smuggling of exotic wildlife is pretty common thing. Yeah. Like not long before, they caught another smuggler bringing on five Siamang Siemong, Gibbons. They're a small species of endangered apes who this article said was, quote, ingeniously concealed in plastic boxes. That's crazy. Because they're not small. They're apes. They're big. Right. Yeah. It's nuts. This thing these people are trying to get in. But the list, I mean, you just do like a simple search on the internet. You'll see these stories just like every other day. You'll see another one pop up. And I know we laughed at it. But they, these people are very good at concealing these animals and like getting them through security. This is a huge problem. Yeah, and it's really sad because a lot of the stories I read through,

they're transporting a lot of snakes and lizards and smaller animals they can really pack in there. And they're not like taking the best care of these critters. So a lot of times some of them will just like die and they'll have to be like intermingling the live ones or just kind of crawling around the dead ones for hours and hours and hours at a time. Not to mention just like the fundamental ethical issue of trafficking these animals from one place where they do need to be existing to where they're. shouldn't be. But what like actually happens when these animals are seized? Do you know, is there like a standard protocol? Are they like put into? I think if they have a way to re-release them into the wild, they will. Because these are generally like wild animals. They're captured in the wild. So I think, especially with the snakes and reptiles and stuff, that's not an animal that's like learned to exist

in human care. Like they can be released pretty easily. So I'm pretty sure they, they have programs set up to release a lot of these animals whenever possible. Just throw it in the evidence locker next to like all the cocaine. Just take it to the main entrance to the airport and just put it on the ground and be like, all right. The S folder just has so many snakes in it. Tuts of snakes. Oh boy, is the weather ever heating up.

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And it really is like an ecological disaster that they're facing, really, if we can't get a better handle on it. And there's two trades. There's like the collector's trade where people are using these animals as like pets or on display or whatever. And then there's like the parts trade, which is generally more for traditional medicine or food or whatever else. So I think usually when it's live animals, it's going to collectors legally.

When it's parts, it's going to the traditional medicine trade. It just makes me wonder if I've ever been on a flight with someone that's just got like a narwhal in their bag, you know? This is this person next to me really doing here. You just see them trying to jam a narwhal horn into the overhead compartment. It's like popping out of their carry-on bag. Not funny. A little funny to like joke about, but not funny at all. But not funny in real life.

A narwhal would be funny. It would be, yeah. A full narwhal. You'd have to laugh at that. Yeah. SMAH, dude. Even Wes would laugh at that. Yep.

All right, I got another story and another question before I get into it. Oh, great. What type of place in America? Me neither. What? I mean, neither? What's a type of place in America that you think could always use a bit more excitement? Iowa, the Midwest.

No, like a place you go into. DMV? I would say something that could use the DMV. Oh, that's what I just said. Oh, you guys couldn't hear me. Sorry. You froze for a sec, but West beat you because of... Shoo.

What about, like, a nursing home? Sure, a nursing home. So what about just having a black bear break into a nursing home in Pittsburgh? Yeah, that sounds great. Does that sound more exciting than their normal day? I would say so. So, this is from Pittsburgh Channel 11 News, and a bear broke into St. Andrews'

village nursing home at 11 p.m. on June 5th which if you think about it it's like one of the most just like interesting spots of bear can break into like what's going to happen with this story maybe Cowboy Cody let it go in there actually three was to catch him you think maybe but it seemed to have just broken straight through the glass there's glass and it's just like that's not enough to sought me, right? Okay. Yeah. So Charlene Elliott was one of the lead certified nursing assistants,

CNAs, working. And she said that she was just sitting there at the nurses station and heard a big crash, which, like, obviously at a nursing home, you don't want to hear that. You're like, oh, shit. Like someone just fell, broke their hip, whatever, you know? So she said she thought it was one of the AIDS that fell and got up. and saw a black bear headed straight towards her. Would you just be like,

like the doors were all closed? Like, it's just like, what? Would you guys think that maybe one of the people turned into a black bear? Just because it'd be so surprising? Or would you just think? No, I don't think that that would be something that came to my mind. Maybe if there's no crash, but the crash. That's a good point.

Yeah. So Elliot says she was just thinking, get this thing out of here. It stayed in there for 15 minutes. It's a pretty long time for a bear to be in a wild bear to be in a nurse. That is a long time. So she starts telling everyone like, shut your doors, shut all your doors. And then the bear walked into someone's room that hadn't shut their door yet. He was in bed and it got nose to nose with him in his bed.

Just kind of checking things out, I think. Yeah, that's really funny. Maybe it's an old bear looking for a place to settle down. Yeah, maybe it's. Maybe it got it confused with like the bear retirement homes. Right. Just trying to just visit. So she was like telling the person like, please don't move.

Don't touch him. Can definitely maul you. One swipe can do so much damage. Don't move, right? One of the residents trying to help out recommended to Charlene to feed it a sandwich. She just kept saying, just feed it a sandwich, feed it a sandwich. She's like, shut up, Gladys. I'm not going to feed it a sandwich.

Such a funny grandma, like. Yeah, that is really funny. You know that she's just made so many people sandwiches in her life. Just be it in a sandwich. It always works with my grandkids. I like to like imagine her husband and her every time they fought. She would just like give them a sandwich to like, Get him less angry.

Yeah, that's really sad. You say it that way. I mean, everyone fights. I'm just saying, sometimes you need some food, you know? Yeah. Sandwiches can solve a lot of problems, Wes. Sure. Nothing about sexism here.

Shouldn't make you sad. I just think, I think the phrase of like a woman making a guy a sandwich to calm him down inherently feels a little sexist to a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah. Just flip the rolls. Envision that scenario, West. You know what?

You might need a sandwich. Yeah, I might. What I do to do is taste. Charlene tells her like, no, we can't do that. But then she does kind of take the inspiration of it. And her and the other employees there used Rice Krispy treats to lure the bear out of the building. And they would use a metal walker to kind of push it out. at the end.

That's really funny. The funniest visual ever. That's really good. And then the game commission came and they set up a trap using donuts and pastries and they caught that bear because you know that bear was still looking for some food. And then they relocated it. So Wes, what's your advice if a listener is in that same position as the CNA? If you're in a closed building and a bear comes.

anywhere, any building and a bear comes in. I'm saying a nursing home. Okay, well, I'm saying any building and a bear comes in. You can't just change Jeff's question. Fine. If you're in a nursing home and a bear comes in, you should do exactly what this woman told the residents to do, which is get to a safe location. So behind a locked door, anywhere, you know,

where you can get safely away from the bear. And then I would just make, I would call first of all, like the police and they would then call the wild. life agency and let them come take care of the bear. It's probably going to do some damage. Just make sure you're safe and in a safe location. You can try and scare the bear out once you are safe, like make a lot of noise and stuff.

But in a building, I wouldn't ever recommend someone trying to like haze a bear out because if it doesn't feel like it has a good escape route, it might decide to charge you rather than run away. All right. Thanks, Wes. Do you want me to give like my last little headlines now or it's, Sure. Yeah, you can do them now. Okay, so a fox spit four people in North Carolina.

Just kind of like, normally it's coyotes. This time it's foxing. Yeah. Foxing around. Okay. And then in Pakistan, a pet cat. Lion. Attacked. Oh, sorry. My joke.

You re-rack it. Re-rack it. It's all right. It's that. A pet cat, a lion attacked a mom and child in the street. I saw that one. That was pretty rough. Yeah. But they ended up being all right, which is kind of. Yeah, but it's crazy. The lion just like jumps a wall that's like not tall enough if you have a lion in your care and just runs this woman down in the street. It was pretty wild. Yeah. I mainly had that one for the joke. Yeah. Sorry, you caught me. And then it's two episodes in a row. Wes is ruined Jeff's joke. In Thailand, there is like a little store and a 27-year-old mayor. elephant walked into this little convenience store.

I'm sure a lot of people have seen the pictures. Wes, you've seen those? Yeah, I've seen that one. I've seen the video. And it headed straight to the candy counter, pushed a freezer out of its way to get there, and started eating. It only ate about 10 bags of candy, which is crazy to me.

You'd think, like, elephant in the convenience store, like, that store is, like, done. But minimal damage. And then I just want to bring up. up, I was thinking about what candy the elephant would want. My mind always goes to Reese's. But Mike, you said Reese's taste gross to you now. Right.

Because of COVID. I kind of feel the same way. I think Rises suck now. And I looked it up and a lot of people agree. I guess that they maybe change the cocoa butter ingredient to palm oil. No. And palm oil is a bad thing. Yeah.

And I think like a lot of people are saying they're like too sweet now. The peanut butter is not as like it's a little bit more stale. The chocolate's a little more waxy and it tastes sweeter. What the heck? And I kind of agree with all that. And if they're using palm oil, then let's not eat them anyway, you know? Boycott. Tooth and Claws brought to you by good or sunglasses.

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Cassowary. A cassowary. Yes. When we went to Australia, cassoiries were at the top of my list for the animal that I wanted to see. So we specifically included, I specifically included in our route a stop on the cassowary coast. And we went to the one beach that everyone says you see caswheres at. We went there multiple times, didn't see them. But Mission Beach was commonly touted as the second We did see him right after there, though, just to let people. Not at the beach. I'm saying right after like that town.

Right. Yeah, I'm getting there. I'm getting there. Oh, okay. So we didn't see him at the beach, but then the second place that was touted is the second place, second best place to see cassoires was Mission Beach, where we found two different casuaries finally right as we were leaving. So what happened is there's a home security camera recently that captured a dangerous,

in quotation marks, moment that a woman and her child were chased into their home by a large cassowary in Australia. And this is what every article that I found billed this as is like this woman and her kid were chased into the home by this male cassowary and it's young. And I will say after seeing this footage, I don't think that's what happened. What I think happened and there are some experts out there that agree is that this bird was probably fed this cassowary, whether people just had like fruit trees or they were actually like throwing food to this bird. And it had lost its fear of humans. So it did approach this woman and her kid as they went into their home, but it did not at all look to me like it was chasing them or like defending its

young or anything. It was much closer than you would want to be to a big cassery with, especially with young. But I don't think this was an aggressive interaction. But what you see in the video is this woman approaches the door and then you see her young kid come in behind her and then suddenly the kid runs and they both run inside and there's a big caswary that comes up with its with its young really beautiful really cool looking birds listen to our caswary episode if you haven't heard it it's one of my favorite of our episodes that we've done but um no one was hurt and i really think this was just a food conditioned caswary trying to get a handout so if you happen to live on the caswary coast or anywhere where there's casuaries make sure you don't feed them because it can create a bit of a

public safety issue. Is there like bird feeders for cassowaries? No, I mean, they're big fruit eaters. And like, see, if you had fruit trees, you're essentially putting out feeders for cassoiries if you live in their range. Yeah. Okay.

Well, good job, cassoaries. Or maybe I don't know about this one. It doesn't sound like they did too much damage, right? I like those birds. I don't know if it did a good job. Yeah. I guess either way you look at it, It did kind of a bad job, right?

It just didn't do any job. Yeah, that's the thing. It kind of felt unremarkable to me, but there was so many people that reported on it. And I think it's because they've earned this reputation of being, they've earned the reputation of being a bird that have killed people. And as we talked about in our episode, 1926 was the only wild cassowary that's ever killed someone. It killed a kid. And then I think 2019, there was a captive one that killed. a guy in Florida. But these aren't, these aren't like hyper-aggressive, you know, dangerous animals.

They are dangerous. You do need to respect them. But like, I don't think this was a particularly dangerous interaction, but it was cool to see. That's what I mean, dude. Good job. Okay. You got anything else, Mike? That's it for me. No. All right. Well, let's move on to categories then. So I was just in Utah. We met up. We saw a movie. We saw the new Jurassic World movie. And, you know, we talk about Jurassic Park and quite a bit on this podcast and then, you know, it obviously branches out into some of the other movies. So quickly, I just wanted, I know people are going to ask us this. I want to know what your guys' thoughts were about Jurassic World Rebirth, just in general,

now that we've had some time to simmer on it, marinate a little bit. Makes me mad. I didn't care for it, Wes. That's how I feel to. I did not care for it. Yeah. I think it's the out of like the seven movies, I'd probably put it fifth. And that makes me even more mad.

It's not the worst. But the music was so weird. I never noticed music. The music felt like AI with the original music, just like changing it. And then there's like some part where Scarlett Johansson's talking about someone dying, right? And it's just like playing. Like the military friend getting blown up or something. But it's just like playing like the Jurassic Park.

Like, yeah. Insane. I can't believe that happens, yeah. I think I had it at six out of seven even. Like, I think I liked Fallen Kingdom more than I liked this one, which is crazy, because I didn't like Fallen Kingdom. They're all on that similar level of like I never want to think about them ever again, that I wouldn't blame anyone for having it lower.

Yeah. Yeah, there's just, there's nothing about it that really grabbed my attention or stuck out to me really in any way, except for, and this is the really. crazy parts me. The only character I'm going to remember from that movie is the bad guy, Rupert Friends character, because he was the only person

that really felt like he was consistently making decisions according to the goals that he had. Right. He's the only character I understood. Yeah. His motivations. Right.

And just, I want to put this out there. I was rooting for him. I think every once in a while, I'd mention this to you guys right after the movie ended, but every once in a while, we just need to have the little child character.

They need to get chomped by a dino just to keep us honest. Especially in, yeah, the Jurassic Park, Jurassic World universe. Yeah. Like Jurassic Park 3. That little kid, if he had gotten killed, would have been like so much better. It would have been amazing. Yeah. It's so boring when a character pops up and you know that there's no way the filmmakers

are ever going to kill them or hurt them in any way. Right. It's just like, yeah, I agree. Not even a character, though. I could have guessed every single character that lives in. Yeah, and obviously some big spoilers here for this movie if you, like, still want to see it after hearing us talk about it. But my biggest complaint, oh, go ahead, Jeff. I was just going to say the reason, the only reason I have it over Fallen Kingdom was the T-Rex scene in the river I thought was, like, pretty great.

Yeah. Yeah. My biggest complaints were that there weren't any, like, good kills. There was no person that died that I thought it was, like, memorable or interesting. And Fallen Kingdom has the guy in the cage with the Indo Raptor or whatever that I think is like one of the better Jurassic kills. And then I also just for me, I just hate that they're creating all these fake dinosaurs for these things. Like the mutant dinosaurs, there's boring to me when there's thousands of unused dinosaurs in the franchise that are really cool, amazing animals that actually existed and are much scarier to me than like a lumbering, D-Rex that like is completely ineffective somehow like I don't know I just thought it was boring

I want to say though a lot of people out there are really enjoying it and you shouldn't just don't don't just take our word for it like I'm a huge proponent of people making up their own mind liking what they like because I know I would be the biggest hypocrite in the world if I were to like cast aspersions or judge anyone for what they enjoyed so if you're interested go check it out You know, a lot of people are seeming to find it worth their time and money. And secretly, I'm glad it's making a ton of money so that they'll make more. Because I will just keep seeing them. Yeah.

Sooner or later, they're bound to get one right. I'll disagree with you there, Mike. I don't think you should be allowed to like it. Okay. That's, um, we all have our own opinions, it turns out. I think deep down you agree with me too. Oh, yeah, I mean. No, I was going to say, too, like, I just want to pitch my idea for the next one.

Our problem still is we're not killing any kids. We've got to kill some kids. Yeah, we'll kill some kids. Sure. We'll figure out a way to kill kids. Child, chomping. So I wanted to also ask your favorite and least favorite moment from the entire Jurassic franchise. So for this question, you can use Jurassic Park if you want.

favorite and least favorite moment from the entire franchise. My favorite part is the ending sequence to the first Jurassic Park movie, of course, when they're flying off the island, they see the birds out the window. The music plays beautiful sunset. It's a perfect cap to a movie that did everything it needed to do and did not necessitate any sequels, but it's not the world we live in. I just think that that's such a beautiful and poignant moment of like evolution, how the world has turned into, like, has naturally become the place that we know it as today.

And any kind of genetic manipulation or introduction of these species that were taken out for a reason, you know, natural selection happened. Like, we can't mess with that. We're, like, that's approaching powers too close to God, I guess you could say, like a Frankenstein sort of moral. But, like, these birds are what dinosaurs turned into. And that's what they're meant to be for us now to. enjoy and to live with in harmony.

You hear that colossal biosciences? Might just put you on blast. So my all-time favorite moment is always going to be the T-Rex breaking free in the original Jurassic Park. But because I think that was like a given for me, I picked a runner up, which is from the Lost World, which I actually

really enjoy that movie. There's a part where Julian Moore's character, Dr. Harding, I think. No, no, that's from the first movie. I can't remember. She's falling off the roof and there's all these like tiles kind of sliding off and there's a raptor behind her. And she managed to kind of like push the tiles so the raptor falls. And then you get this really cool moment where these two raptors are fighting on the ground behind her. And she falls off the roof as well.

And there's the shot of her on the ground and the two raptors fighting behind her. And it's lit so well and shot so well. It's like classic Spielberg framing and lighting. It's just like such a beautiful shot And I just really love the raptor parts of the lost world I think it's a fun movie For least favorite I'm going to go with one that's like

Not actually my least favorite seem to watch But just like as far as the storytelling goes I just hate it Yeah And that's the first lost world where they let the T-Rex Jurassic World Sorry the first Jurassic World where they let the T-Rex out And the T-Rex just like starts fighting with the Raptors to try to like save the people.

She's like, why? Like the Raptors were trained. Like, why is the T-Rex doing this? Yeah, it would immediately just head in the other direction. Like, nope, I don't want to mess with that. Like, I get wanting to have like a big like dino fight at the end, but it just didn't make any sense. And then favorite, I'll shout out Danielle with National Park After Dark in this one. We were just talking about the movies.

and she said her favorite scene is Lost World where the raptors are in the tall grass just picking off people. And I think mine would, I've said before like the toilet guy might be my favorite. That's fun. Janaro.

Yeah, it's real fun. But I'll shout out that one because it's a great moment. For me, my least favorite was in Dominion, which I aggressively disliked that movie. It just felt like pure of like, oh look, we have, we have, We have the original cast, and now they're doing like a Scooby-Doo adventure to figure out where these locusts are from. It was so dumb.

But my least favorite moment is when Ian Malcolm, Jeff Goldblum's character, throws a torch into the mouth of the giganodosaurus, which is like the huge T-Rex-looking dinosaur. A real dinosaur, I'll give him credit for that. And it blows fire out of its mouth when he throws the torch in it. Like, suddenly it does like dragon breath. Yeah. And it's like, it was so dumb. Cinema. Ugh.

Yeah. My least favorite's the end of Jurassic Park 3. He blows the flute and the raptors go away for some reason. That lives rent free in my brain. And when I think about it, I need to like pace around and think about life for a little bit. It's not even a flute though. It's like a skull. It's like he blows through a skull.

Yeah, that's right. It's a like recreatment of their vocal. Is he saying go away? Is he saying I'm sorry, leave us? Like, is he talking to these things? What are they getting from this sound? My point is it's even stupider than a flute. Like, I bet it.

It's incredible. I got, like, my read on it was like they got confused because all of a sudden he was making a raptor noise. But sure. Are these raptors smart or not? Yeah. They're my favorite designed raptors, I think, from the whole series, Jurassic Park 3. Good looking raptors.

All right. Your favorite and least favorite movie then, apart from the sequel. Favorite and least favorite movie I'll go first My favorite is Lost World My least favorite is Dominion Yeah I'll probably just copy that Jurassic Park 3 is even with Lost World for me

Okay All right We're all on the same page there then Lost World is the only sequel that really has Any merit in watching in my opinion But yeah I haven't seen the others I don't have to

I'm not gonna pretend like I'm gonna change my mind on this They're terrible All of them except for those first two Yeah, that's kind of how I feel. Although when I rewatch Jurassic Park 3 recently, I kind of enjoyed it. I'll like how quick they get into it. Yeah. Sure.

And Jurassic World sometimes can be fun. Okay. What animal would cause the most chaos if you threw it into like a busy restaurant or bar? So, you know, Cowboy Cody tried a raccoon. What do you guys think? If you could physically throw an animal, you can't pick like an elephant or a whale or something. Like an animal that you could actually throw, what do you think would cause the most chaos? Oh, I read it wrong, but I like my answer still.

Yeah, let's hear it. I was still on dinosaurs, so I said a Dolophosaurus. There we go. You think you could physically throw a Dolophosaurus? Yeah. Okay. They weren't that big. Sure.

I think it sneaks into the back and spits into the food is why, and then everyone gets poisoned. And everyone dies because it's fat in the food. Why? So they just saw fossils for. Delophosaurus, right? No, so like, what do you mean? Why do they think it can spit? They don't.

That was like a total creation by Stephen Spielberg. That was just like a flourish. And also, just so you know, real Delophosaurus was much bigger than what it was depicted in the film. Like, it would be like... Did they have the frills? No, the frills and the spitting are both just movie magic. But the crest on its head was real.

Delophisaurus had that crest. Well, Stephen Spielberg's Delophisoris is my answer. Okay. All right. Perfect. I'm thinking if like if I got a good hold on one and however I get my arms around it, I think I could throw a female deer. I think I could just like a little heft into there. And anytime you see the footage of restaurants or wherever like a deer gets into, they freak out and their hooves are like sliding and slipping and knocking everything around.

I think not an animal that's like, maybe I'm thinking about this wrong, but I just feel like an animal that's trying death. desperately to get out of there is going to cause the most chaos as opposed to like a small animal that I could throw that's going to like bite someone. Like a rattlesnake or something. Yeah. Yeah. I thought of a wasp nest, just like a whole nest of wasps. But technically that's kind of breaking my rule where I said animal and that's a lot of animals.

But that's the last. One wasp. All right. Well, if I could throw a Tasmanian devil, I'd choose that. It turns into a tornado. The actual one really wouldn't do much, but it would just kind of probably crawl under something. If I could get a hold of the one, I would do that way. If I could throw a hand grenade, that would be crazy.

If that were an animal. Yeah. Those were just spitball in you. Electric deal. The next category is the best thing about the month of July, in your opinion. It's blockbuster season. New big movies are coming out. Some of them are good.

Some of them are not. Just for the record, F1, I've greatly, greatly enjoyed that movie. I'm not always a Debbie Downer here. So it's just a fun time of year. Superman's coming out tomorrow or maybe today even. It's just fun to be excited about movies. There you go. It's a good thing.

Jeff? Yeah, fly fishing in Montana. Yeah, for me, it's just like water. I feel like in June, often waterways are still too cold or flooded to really swim in. But July is when all the rivers around here and like lakes and stuff get warming enough that they're really nice to swim in. So I just love July because you get to swim a lot if you live around that kind of thing. You're ready to go to you now. You got your shirt off? It's so hot in the water.

All right. Mike, it's been a minute since we've talked about your list of things that are overrated. So I kind of just wanted you to give us one thing from your list of overrated things. Okay. I wanted to, so I'm going to do one of each because I don't like just being purely negative. Just a real quick, something that I think is underrated is when you go to a restaurant and each of their different entrees has a different shaped plate that it comes out, I love when you get like a rectangle plate

or like a dish with like a big dome under or over it like Sai had in Australia with the hamburger. I just, I love plating gimmicks. I think it's so fun. As for something I think is overrated, it's musical comedy acts. Like I'm going to get a lot of heat for this. And I realize just the fact that this is like

an overrated thing means most, most of the people are not going to agree with me on this, but people like Weird Al or Bo Burnham, like Tim Minchin, I just have never been able to get into musical comedy at all. You could have started with anyone but Weird Al and I would have agreed with you, but the second you said Weird Al is like, I had to rip the Band-Aid off just to like let it be known.

That's how I feel. I just feel like maybe they're hiding a little bit of something. He's an immensely talented guy. Obviously an incredible musician, almost like to a fault. He's not for everyone. these music? Yeah.

I just don't find myself ever enjoying it. Never, no. See, I loved it as a kid, but anymore I don't. It's funny that Weird Al introduced me to a lot of the songs that I love now. Like, I heard the Weird Al version of like, smells like teen spirit and gangster's paradise and all these other songs before I heard the real version. And it, like, really set me up to like those songs a lot. Because when I heard, I was like, oh, this is actually, like, much better.

You know, not funny. Yeah. Again, no shade to anyone who does like that stuff. I just, it's never been for me. All right. I actually had a gripe that I wanted to share too. Can I share a quick gripe? I'd love to hear it. I just saw a video of like this guy in the UK that knocks over cairns when people make them like stacking rocks on top of each other. And he's, he's my hero because I also hate cairns. They're great when they're used to like mark a path for navigation. And usually for a service or national park service or whoever. will like maintain cairns that are necessary for that. But when people just do it, it destroys a lot of good habitat for invertebrates, for reptiles and amphibians and stuff.

And I also just kind of think it's natural graffiti. Like I feel like you have to then see that someone was there before you. And some people that are looking for like a wilderness experience don't want to see other people like marking that they were there. And that's how I feel like. I don't like seeing this evidence that a bunch of other people were there, even if it's just rocks. So do you think you'd like it if someone kicked over Stonehenge?

No, I don't see. I don't think Stonehenge's. No, I wouldn't like that. So you hate Cairns in the wild. Cairns, yeah. Not Cairns. Yeah, Cairns. And not the city of Cans.

Yeah. Yeah, right. All right. You guys got anything else you want to talk about before we wrap this up? I have a Jeff's Animal Fact. Okay. Oh, yeah. It's been a while.

Male Revis Feasant has the long. tail feathers of any bird. Oh, cool. Cool. There you go. Any other birds out there that want to challenge that. Is it shake them? Grow them, grow them longer, I guess.

It says it's 7.9 feet. Wow. Bad gum. That's a long. Did Caldly Cody? Yeah, to Caldick. Cody's making a guest if you're a dead gum. A big old tail feather.

Throw that in the bar. All right. Before we end it, Jeff, do you have a couple listener questions for us? Yeah, so Doc Tegg asked besides Jurassic Park, what is your favorite 90s movie? Hoof. Oof, it's a hard one. Mine's the, Matrix is my favorite movie, bar none. It's the first movie that really made me want to think about what a movie was doing

rather than just like have it blast into my eyeballs and just marvel at the fights and stuff. So, yeah, that'll forever be my answer for 90s movies. I'm going to look at my letterbox real quick here. Yeah, that's over Jurassic. Park for you, huh? Yeah. That's, I mean, there's few, maybe the only movie over Jurassic Park for me. I'd probably have to go point break.

Oh, yeah. I love that. I love so much. I might have to go casino. Oh, that's great. I love casino or a river runs through it. Probably one of those two. You motherfucker.

I own this city. I had made you. Motherfri. All right. So, Lisa Nola. What sticks out most in your memories of watching Steve Irwin? For me, it's just like his joy. I feel like the reason Steve Irwin connected with so many people is you could feel his passion and joy in, like, his work.

And it just was so evident how much he loved wildlife. And that's really what stuck out for me. In the image in my brain will always be him like shoulder deep in a snake hole or some kind of hole reaching for something he can't even see. And like, to this day, I'm just like, why? Why, that's crazy to me that he's doing that. But he really was just a fearless dude. I'd probably say how short his shorts wore. Or the word crikey.

Hannah O'Carroll asked, what's the best year? And this is just the 90s. I think I'll go 99. A lot of great movies. Yeah, I'd go 99 as well. It's the last year the world was going to exist. In my club, the Matrix. Yeah.

If it's not 99, I'm going to go with maybe 93. I think that's the first Wu-Tang album My favorite tribe called Quest album Dell, the Funky Homo sapiens first album Like a great era for rap in that year specifically Michael Jordan Oh, I thought we couldn't pick 93. If we can pick any year, it's 93 for me.

It's the 90s, yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah, it's 90s. What do you mean? What did you think the question was? I thought it was like aside from 93 because I always referenced 1993 as like because of Jurassic Park. Yeah.

Okay, Sean A. Pixie 16 asked Monica or Rachel. Oh. From friends? Yeah. Growing up is Rachel, I feel like more and more, like, if I see friends out and I'm kind of like, man, Monica. Yeah. We should know, these are left over 90s questions from Jeff's episode about Lorraine Poppet. Monica's Courtney Cox, right?

Yeah. There's something, weirdly enough, I've always found her the most attractive in scream. but in friends it like isn't quite the same for some reason so I'm more of a Rachel yeah yeah she's like a little too neurotic in friends I feel like she's like a little too kind of like yeah I don't know and Rachel's always built as like the object of attraction and friends I feel like so that's that's why I agree with that yeah I always liked how Ross was just like a paleontologist yeah that's crazy choice yeah uh St. jimmy 1031 asked backstreet boys or in sync?

In sync for me. No, actually Backstreet Boys. It's Backstreet Boys. So growing up is in sync. Now I'd probably take Backstreet Boys. Yeah. I mean, I genuinely like one it that way. I think that's a good song.

I'm not sure I've ever fired up either of their music at my own behest ever. But if I had to pick, I think Backstreet Boys would be it. It's Backstreet Boys, yeah. All right. That does it for 90s themed questions. I'll think of another theme for the next batch. Okay. 80s.

I don't know. Who knows? We get crazy. 2000s, maybe. And I'll be sure to get some questions from Patreon for our next one because we've been getting lots of good questions on our thread there. Maybe the 1890s. We could still keep in 90s, but like just move it.

Actually, though, let's do it. Okay. 1800s question themes. Let's do it. All right. Thanks, everyone for listening. Thanks for sending in stories. Thanks especially to those you who subscribe.

It's truly what has kept this podcast going for so long. So we really, really appreciate it. And yeah, we'll let you go. Thank you for keeping it going, Wes. Yeah. Thanks, Wes. You know, I'm any minute here, I'm going to pass out from heat exhaustion. So you can thank me later.

Love you guys. See, yeah. Bye. Hoof. All right. Oh, I got to stop my recording. Thank you.