Tooth & Claw: True Stories of Animal Attacks - Tooth & Claw Down Under - News Stories Featuring Some of Australia's Most Dangerous Critters

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

The Tooth & Claw guys are on a trip to Australia, and so thought it appropriate to cover some of the recent animal attack headlines to hit the news in the Land Down Under. It turns out it's been a busy couple of months for the local sharks. Happy Valentines Day, you can be our valentine if your other plans fall through. We love you enough that it makes sense. ~~ To advertise on the show, contact us! ~~ Tooth & Claw is brought to you by QCODE. Support the show and get access to an extensive library of exclusive episodes like this by supporting the show on Patreon or joining the Grizzly Club on Apple Podcasts. For the latest updates on the show and all things wildlife, follow us at toothandclawpod.com and social:  Instagram: @ToothandClawPodcast Twitter: @ToothandClawPod Wes: @GrizKid Jeff: @jefe_larson Mike: @mikey3ds Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Good day. From Tooth and Claw podcast. That's our wildlife biologist, Wes Larson. And then we got our producer, Mike Smith. Hey. And last and least, we got Jeff Larson, Wes's brother. There's heaps of us here. And we're doing...

Heaps is my favorite thing Australian people say. Oh, yeah? I like... Interesting start to the episode. I like Brecky. Brecky's good. I like that one, actually, a lot. We're in Australia.

Live from Australia. Here we are live. I'm glad we're not live after that start. Yeah, we're on a little trip here in Australia. We're in camps. It feels like we're on a boat, but we're not. No. But I am rocking pretty hard.

I scubaed for the first time. I told them it was like my fifth time just to try to get them to let me go by myself. I had to link arms. Yeah. It's an octopus, soft and sharks. Introductary dive for Jeff. Yeah. Me and Mike also went, we're certified. We went together. Saw a few sharks. I saw two species today. Yeah. We had a great time. I wanted to go by myself until I saw how hot my diver guy was.

He was. Yeah, ours was pretty hot. Really? Yeah. Pedro. Oh, yeah. He's dreamy. He had a dreamy smile. We saw some squids. We saw lots of little fishies. We saw Nile. West kept pointing at this worm. Yeah. They were, I don't know what that means. Oh, the nudibrains. Yeah, the new to brink. We saw lots of cool nudibrains. It was funny with the, with the octopus, so we were, like, supposed to point anything cool out we saw. And I saw the octopus, and I started pointing at it.

And, like, right when everyone looked it, hid under a rock and changed the color of the sand. So, like, no one could tell what I was pointing at, and they just thought I was an idiot. That's pretty funny. That's great. Yeah, I kept grabbing mics, like, Finn. and like pulling on him aggressively, and he'd be like, what? And then I'd just point at the tiniest little nudibrake. And Mike's eyes would just like narrow and then swim away.

No, I just have a good time. If I'm under the water, I don't care if I don't see anything. Yeah. I'm just happy to be scuba diving. And it was so pretty out there today and just good vibes. That'd be scary to not see anything. Literally not. Yeah, like when Squidward's in like the alternate dimension.

And you're like 30 feet underwater, just can't see a single thing. Right. Yeah, you wouldn't care. I would probably like... You'd go insane. Yeah. You'd be like, oh, what's this all about? Yeah.

Anyway. That's probably what I'd be like. Yeah. Right. Anyway, let's talk real quick about, you know, we've been here, what, like four or five days? We've mostly been in Cairns, but if you're saying it the Australian way, it's Cairns. Yep. And we've had a few fun.

Ran into a toothy? Ran into a toothy in Sydney. Sophie. Yeah. We've had some fun animal experiences. So let's just really quick. Say your favorite thing so far. I think we still have like our heavy hitters ahead of us.

We still got Cassowary ahead of us. Hopefully great white sharks. Coalas. My friend, yeah, koalas. My friend, Seb is going to take us looking for snakes. So I think we still are like ramping up to our best wildlife. But so far, what's your favorite wildlife in this trip? Mine is the West pointed out this little blue bird.

Uh, fairy. Yeah. The superb fairy ren. Superb fairy ren. And I, so I... It was superb. This is, yeah, superb. I just liked how excited West got about it.

So I was like, I guess I should be excited about this too. It was just, it was a really cute little bird. It was a wren. Wren are just cute to begin with. Yeah. This one has like bright blue and black markings on its head. I got stoked. I was like very excited.

Right. You were like doing heel clicks. Yeah, pretty much. Jeff, what's yours? You go, because I want to. a shout out a few if you didn't get it. Okay. My favorite, I think, honestly, have been seeing the big flying foxes around Cairns. So they have a pretty robust population here of spectacled flying fox, which are a big fruit-eating

bat, and they're just massive. They're like the size of a hawk, like a big hawk. And you see them, big hawk is kind of hard to say that. You see them flying around town. And then I found a tree where they roost and yesterday I went and watched them move around the tree and eat fruit and took some fun photos of them and I think for me like for whatever reason that one just really I was seen lots of cool birds and stuff but that really did it for me I went and looked at the tree for like 30 minutes and didn't see it today less has got an eye for that yeah next time I'll go with you well least you can identify when a tree is real when it's not yeah you're like me you were like it's like it's like three real it's just looked like five other trees right by it or like you

We'll be driving, you'll say, hey, you see that tree? I do to do that. For me, it'd have to, well, I don't know. It'd be the black tip reef shark I saw because that was like the white tip. White tip. White tip reef shark I saw. Because that was like such a cool spot. I have a great video I took.

Really good video. And then I was really excited about the octopus. I've been wanting to see one of those. But I also want to shout out the wallaby. Yeah, we saw wallaby yesterday. Those were cool And I Haven't seen it in the wild yet

So it doesn't count But I saw a koala really close And it might even go up in my rankings now I just love them They're already pretty high They might be like four or five Man those wallabies were insanely fast Yeah

I couldn't believe how fast it was Especially imagine if they ran like humans Yeah They'd be so fast Yeah All right Because like if we sack race We're way slower

And that's the way they run. Yeah, I guess. I think in a sack it would still struggle. But that's how they'd hop. They would be fast at a sack race. Yeah, you're probably right. Right. All right, who's your favorite?

This one's specifically for Mike. Well, no, I think I'm just going to open up to the table. Mike, so we stayed in this little boutique hotel our first night. And we checked in and there was just kind of like a probably like 50-something-year-old woman pretty nondescript that checked us in. Maybe 60 something, I don't know. That's too late. 50 something.

50. Maybe. Mike fell deeply in mom with her. 45. I would be the youngest. Her name is Linda. She's the woman of my dreams. Yeah.

It's just funny because we were walking around and we're all like, man, there's just like a lot of good looking people in Australia. And Mike was just like, I'm crushing pretty hard on Linda. And I was like, Linda the concierge. I kind of got it though. She had like a little vibe with her. Right. She's very pleasant but like extremely efficient.

Like no wasted words. And I'm like, yes. All right. That's my kind of person. She is very helpful and really pretty. I think she was extremely pretty. I'm not saying she wasn't. I'm not here to judge anyone by their looks.

I just, I thought that it was an interesting person to. So number. To gravitate toward after such a short interaction. Number one, Linda so far. I felt the gravity. Okay. You felt him being pulled in. The number two was the chef on our boat today, right?

The French chef woman. Also, she was in charge of our food. I'm over there. 40s. Pedro. But yeah. Yeah, not Pedro. Yeah.

And then the hair lady at the airport. I have a big thing with developing like 24-hour crushes when I'm traveling. It's like one of my favorite things. We sat down in the airport and Mike's like, look at that hair over there. It's outrageous. It's like a little bit hair and it's like I think I'm in love. Man, she is awesome. So anyone out there that's trying to seduce Mike, just either be very normal and just do your job efficiently or have like some big hair and you're set.

Maybe Mike just needs to get out a little bit. Yes, I could be here. It's like a human woman. All right. I have another question. Your favorite new candy you've eaten so far in Australia? Kit-cat caramel. So good.

Jeff loving those Kit-cat carmels. Giant Skittles. That's what I was going to say. Yeah. Oh, man. Mike today just pulls out a bag of giant and they are giant. Yeah. They're like the size of like a lemon top.

Basketball. Uh, so they're quite like, that'd be cool. A basketball for like, yeah, maybe like lizards. They're great. Like stronger flavor. Oh, there goes a big old flying fox right by our window. It just flew by. Did you didn't see it?

I saw the, I saw it, but not like clearly. All right. And then finally, your favorite dish it out back steakhouse. Blumen onion. Yeah, me too. Yeah. I love the commercials Welcome to Outback Steakhouse

That's about how he doesn't We fed in Australia for like five days And none of us can do an Australian accent I'm not even gonna try it Outback guy can't do it No I wonder why they don't just hire an Australian guy But whatever It's probably like an actors of guild or something

All right I'm going with a little like brown bread with butter Oh yeah those are good I love the brown bread Yeah it's really brown bread is Yeah it's good Although I tend to prefer white bread Red to Brown Bread.

Kind of pissed they don't have them here. Outback Steakhouse. Yeah. It's like, who I was like that. They have an Outback Jacks down the road. This is such a lot. If it was here, they just call it Steakhouse.

Right. Yeah. I guess. A little while ago, me and my friends and also me and Jesse like started just, I think I was the common denominator, going to like those types of restaurants, like Chili's, Outback, Applebee's. And after each one, I was like, I never have to eat here again. An Outback, I remember that very vividly.

Like, oh, I think this is my last time eating Outback. Anyway. You have an elevated palate. I don't think so. It just made me feel kind of sick. You're fancy like. That's how most famous people are. I am not famous, but I am fancy.

Like Applebee's on a date night. I literally just say a handful of Emmettles before this. That'll probably be my dinner. Okay, well, because we're in Australia, because we're really feeling the Australian vibes, we owe everyone a news episode. But what we decided to do is kind of do a shortened version of our news episode. We're just going to do stories from Australia, recent stories from Australia.

And then we're going to do some listener questions, and that's going to be it. We're going to enjoy our vacation after that. So I'll start. I'm going to start with the real sad one, because sometimes we end with the sad ones, and then we're just kind of bummed the rest of the episode. Yeah, I'm going to start with the sad one. This happened on December 28th, the end of last year. Okay.

At least I got Christmas. Yeah. Actually, that's probably true. This family probably feels that way. Kai Cowley was surfing on Ethel Beach in Innes National Park on the New York Peninsula of Southern Australia. It's a 15-year-old kid. He's already a really accomplished surfer.

He's a really good surfer. He competes. He's really, really good. But on the 28th, he wasn't surfing for a competition or practicing for an event or doing anything fancy. He was just catching some casual waves with his dad during a little family vacation. Tim Phillip, a local surf.

for in the area was standing on some cliffs watching the waves when he heard Kai's dad frantically yelling to his son and saw Kai struggling to swim back to his dad in the water. He knew something was really wrong, so Tim actually grabbed a stranger's surfboard and paddled out in the waves toward Kai. And when he got to this teenager who was absolutely terrified, he immediately realized what had happened because a nearly 13-foot Great White Shark was circling the two. Afraid that the shark would rush back in and attack both of them, he felt like he had to let go of Kai, but then when he did that, the shark actually turned and swam out to sea. So Tim then grabbed Kai again and swam with him into shore and brought him to this group of

concerned onlookers, including Kai's dad and his family. When they pulled him up on the beach, his leg had been completely bitten off. Holy yeah. And he was losing blood fast. His artery had been severed. It wasn't pinched or anything, so blood was just going everywhere. Oh, yeah. This beach that they were at was a bit hard to access, so it's.

sounds like by the time the paramedics got there, he had already died. No, man. Yeah. So he died on the beach surrounded by his family. He was like a growing talent in the Australian surfing community. Some people say that he was maybe the best up-and-coming surfer under 18. In January, hundreds of people gathered on a beach to say goodbye to him. And from everything I read, he just seems like the best kid.

Truly, everyone that talked about him was just like he was so kind, he was so nice, and he was just like so talented. and that he lived more in his 15 years than most people do in their entire lives, which I think is a really beautiful thing that at least he lived to the fullest and wasn't just like sitting on a couch his whole 15 years, you know? Yeah. Nothing wrong with that. There's not. You know, live your life however you want.

You know, that felt like a shot. It's not a shot. It's not. But he lived his life and he lived it the way he wanted to. And I think that's great. I'm just messing with you. And there's obviously some privilege that comes with that. But I think, you know.

Anyway, I thought it was beautiful, but we ruined it now. Anyway, a little bit about, like, why this happened. This actually isn't an area where Great Whites are that common, but it had been really murky water. There had been some storms that had blown through. And we've talked about this before. Great White sharks are ambush predators, so they like to sneak up on prey,

often rushing up directly underneath and attacking prey. And so any conditions that make it more favorable for them to ambush, are great for them. So, like, if there's murky water, if it's darker, if it's, you know, morning or evening, anything like that gives the shark a bit of an edge when it's going to attack a seal or something that has all sorts of senses to see when they're coming. So that's kind of the general consensus that maybe it brought a shark into this area was just the murkiness.

But really, this was just unlucky, you know? Yeah. Like, he didn't do anything wrong. He was out surfing in a place where people surf. There wasn't, like, a dead whale. or like a bunch of like fishermen throwing dead things in the water or anything. It just was just really unlucky and it's just part of the risk you take when you go into the ocean. And obviously our hearts go out to his family because it's a really tragic one.

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So who wants to go next? Mike you go, West you go again than me, then you again? Okay. You have three? Okay. Great. So I also have a story that took place late last year.

I know usually we try to keep these within the past month or so, but I felt, you know, as we're in Australia, cheating a little bit is allowed. Because Australia, I don't know. I didn't even know you had a girlfriend. Corious cheaters. That's not what I'm trying to say. Oh, you wanted, because you assumed the hotel concierge had a husband. Right. Yeah.

I was just hoping that cheating was a thing. thing that, you know, they were okay with doing. So this- Europeans love cheating and these guys are from Europe, right? Kind of, yeah. Aside from the Aboriginal people. I mean, if Americans are from Europe. Yeah, but we don't love cheating as much as Europeans do.

Yeah, I mean, talk to Bill Belichick. Yeah. Cheetah, big cheater? Oh, big done. Oh, yeah, the Spygate? Yeah. Deflating footballs. Oh, cheating.

You're talking about football. Yeah, okay. Jim Harbaugh? He cheated it. Michigan. Is Belichick the foot fetish guy? No, that's Rex. Rex Ryan.

I think he was faithful, though. Good for him. He only liked his wife's feet. That's fine. Okay. So this is a hot girl walk. That's what the title of this one is. Okay.

So I got this from a bunch of different sources. Most of it coming from news.com. That's the Australia domain. Okay. Yeah, we got it. Okay. So last December, an Aussie influencer named Miss Jade, was out on her, quote, hot girl walk.

And as she was filming close up on her face, a magpie swooped and packed her right on the eyeball. Oh, yeah, I put that on our story. Did you? Good. Yeah. You see it. Yeah.

People, listeners were not very happy that I just, like some bird phobia listeners were just like, that was too much. Right. But I, you know, no apologies. Interesting. It's a crazy video. Yeah, so she went on to claim it was like one of the most traumatic thing

that's ever happened to her because she herself is a, what's a bird, bird phobia? Not sure. Some kind of ornith. Ornith. I don't know. Oh, there's a flying fuck. Oh, yeah. And she didn't even fully realize what had happened to her until she played the video back in like super slow motion.

That's just a fox with wings. And that you just saw? Yeah. That's all it was was a fox flying. Sorry, keep going. I don't think you'd need to look up what foxes look like to go. Just keep going. So, again, she had to slow down the video to see, like, I'm sure she felt her eyeball was like, oh, that was a weird thing that happened.

But when she played it back in slow motion, there's pictures that Jeff shared. The beak is, like, lodged in her bottom eyelid, like, pretty deep. Did it hurt? Yeah. Okay. Because it looks like it really hurt, but then also, like, the video is in such slow motion that, like, you don't really even see her reaction. Right. And, like, it's not like she immediately, like, grabs her eye and, like, sort of.

screams in the video. So it almost just looks like the bird just like got away with it clean. But it didn't, obviously. I've had like a tiny beetle go in my eye and it was like, that hurt. Yeah. Right. And over the next three days, Miss Jade, her eye just got super irritated and red. And she cited the fact that birds typically have a lot of bacteria on their beaks,

which I guess that's probably true. Yeah. West. Yeah. Speaking of that, when I was. looking at those flying foxes in their tree last night. I was like looking straight up and something liquid fell

into my eye. Oh. And I don't know if it was just like water from the tree or bat piss or something. But if I'm, I might be patient zero for the next coronavirus or something like that. Yeah. Just so everyone knows. Oh man. Fouchy's gonna make so much more money. No, dude.

Just a tree full of rabies. Could be. I looked up that it's like bat lyso virus. And, like, there's another virus you can get from them. But it usually has to be, like, blood contact. Probably Fox Liza. So I think I'm fine. It's not.

Yeah. And it has to be their saliva, not their pee. So hopefully it wasn't drooling in my eye. Or maybe you'll turn into a superhero. Maybe I'll get bat powers. Oh, yeah, Batman. Just get, like, $100 billion. Does he doesn't have bat powers.

He's just rich. No. His parents got shot in front of them. Super rich. Oh, so you are closer being Batman than Wes. Yeah. to have died right in front of my eyes, though, for full effect. I'm not, I don't think it's going to happen for me,

which is really unfair that my mom wouldn't at least do that for me. Yeah. You could have slurped her soul down. Okay. So, she was specifically worried she said that she thought her eyeball was going to fall out of her head. It didn't happen that way. She didn't need to be worried about that. I think she was just exaggerating.

A week after the swoop, Miss Jade said the irritation swelling around her eye lasted three days, and she was now terrified of any bird as a result of the attack and that she has now altered her, quote, hot girl walks, and would not be going out without a hat and sunglasses in the future. Get those viper ones. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Just like the visors, like the welding glasses.

And those are hot. I thought of Michael Fasbender from the killer when she said hat and sunglasses for some reason. So the reason I thought this story was interesting to share is that for a long time now, I've been hearing about these swooping attacks that happened. specifically in Australia is where I see a lot of these stories happening. And so I did a little bit of research. And this is from the BBC about swooping season, which is typically like mating season, which is spring for magpie specifically.

And those are the worst offenders. So magpies are considered the ultimate swoopy boy by Australians, according to this BBC article. I'm going to need a source to verify that claim. Yeah, it's awesome. Preeminent swoopie boys. I saw some boys from the UK that were getting pretty swoopy. Yeah, I saw those boys too. Right, swooping away.

They're at their most swoopful during mating season. Yeah, those boys were always in mating season. It doesn't turn off. So it's the same for magpies. So from August through November, when they're protecting their nests from would-be predators, experts say they do not swoop unprovoked. But they also say magpies can interpret pretty innocuous things like walking. or running or biking, like people going through their territory in any way, they can see that

as a threat. And kind of like crows, this is the interesting thing. They have really good memories and they're really intelligent so they can kind of like develop almost lifelong relationships with humans as a friend or as an enemy. They're in the same family. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me. Since they can remember these people's faces and even when like the next mating season comes around and they see that same person, they're like, that's the guy last year that walked

through my in your body. That's the guy. Like, pointing with their wing pick his eye ball out. That's the hot girl who's eye I tried to take out. Yeah, go get her other eye.

Maybe it's trying to like, maybe there's like a bird seed place where like it has the eye identification thing. Oh yeah. And it was trying to get her eye to like get in there. That's smart. Mission Impossible or something. I was thinking minority report.

Oh yeah. When kept the eyeball in the fridge. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good thought. They are smart. They might be what is happening. Yeah, so this article, they actually said that the people have seen magpies, experts

have seen magpies like helping each other unscrew, like, tracking collars and stuff. Or whatever, bracelets. They can do like puzzles that like 40-year-olds can't do. Although I would say like if you were to ask me the smartest family of birds, I would say Corvids, like this family. So crows, magpies, ravens, jays. If you were to ask me, I'd say penguins. Oh, yeah.

Who knows? You do. I would say the corvids are smarter. You do bird tours and you're smarter than me. I don't, yeah, it's hard to say. I'd say ostriches because they're, they have big eggs, so their brains have to be pretty. That's true. They just stick their heads in the sand, too.

Like a tiny, or a huge person with a tiny head, that's the worst combo. Yeah, you're right. People are always dumb. I'm just going to pass right by that one. territory. Andre the Giant, that guy wasn't smart. I think he was smart. Though almost never fatal, these magpie swoops, they have led to a couple of deaths in the past.

So maybe in a future episode. Like people falling or something. Yeah, it's kind of like when Jeff talked about goose, the geese deaths where they just like fly into it. Someone like fell out of a kayak. This is another, this is like another great example. You know, outside of one getting your eye, which is a total freak thing. But like, this is another great example of just not freaking out. Like realizing you'll be fine.

This is something that's not going to hurt that bad. Don't panic. You don't need to like run into traffic or anything. Just like slowly or quickly get away from wherever its nest is and you'll be fine. Yeah. You could win that fight if you need to. But don't hit it, you know? Don't.

It's just trying to survive. It's just doing its thing. There you go. There's a little info on swooping. Thank you. Swoopy boys. Swoopy boys. All right.

What was that? There's like a vine back in the day that was like a soupy boy. Smell a soupy boy. Oh, yeah. All right. This one was pretty recent. January 29th, Lauren O'Neill took her kayak down to the water near Elizabeth Bay in Sydney Harbor, not far from the famous Sydney Opera House.

That was like my most awe-inspiring moment. Yeah, Jeff really had the moment. I love like the Opera House and Skyline. Yeah. The private pier she used was known for being really quiet, really calm. It's a really upskill neighborhood. She decided to take a quick dip in the water, something she'd probably done a million times. Probably not.

Not a million, but a lot of times. Okay. When she jumped into the water, almost immediately a bull shark bit into her leg, causing a fairly significant amount of damage. Wow. She yelled for help and grabbed onto the ladder of the pier, and a neighbor Michael Porter ran down to see her gripping the ladder, surrounded by her blood in the water.

A couple other neighbors showed up. They helped her out of the water, bandaged her wounds. It sounded very neighborly like she was thanking them, and they were like, oh, no, you know, no worries. That's pretty much it. But January and February actually peak months for bull sharks in Sydney Harbor. It's because the water gets quite a bit warmer and the sharks move in. There's good food for them there.

A lot of little fish. A lot of like human waste and stuff like people throwing stuff in the water, people throwing bait in the water, lots of different things. But there actually hasn't been an attack in the harbor since 2009 when a man had his arm ripped off by a bull shark. Wow. You consider there are a lot of people that swim in Sydney Harbor. And there's a lot of bull sharks actually that move in in the summer, and it just really doesn't happen that often. True.

But if you do swim in a place with bull sharks or other potentially dangerous sharks, you can do a lot to decrease your risk. We've talked about this already quite a bit. Your risks are already minuscule. But if you avoid swimming at dawn or dusk, you avoid especially murky water, or if you avoid places where, like, fish bait or sewage, or any other potential attractant might have been dumped in the water,

and swimming in more established areas, all of those things are going to decrease your chances. But again, if you swim in the ocean, there's always a chance. Do you think when an opera is going, bull sharks are more or less likely to be in the harbor? I think the really, like, the ones that like the opera are more likely, but the ones that don't are much less likely. But they'll be distracted.

Right. Yeah, they're not biting anyone. Yeah. sharks can cry? I don't know. Because you're in the water. Yeah. You know.

You can cry in the water. What? Sure. When like the, they hit the... How do you don't? But you just know you're crying, right? How? I don't know.

You don't know when you're crying, even if there's, like, not... I know when I'm crying if I'm not submerged underwater. I feel like you would know if you're crying underwater. Even though you can't, like, feel the tears, you'd be, like, sobbing and, like... Do you think... I actually don't know if you can cry underwater. I don't know. That's a blow in my mind.

During that... During that one opera, what's the number? The something flute. where the lady hits the super high note. Do you think like fish and... I don't know opera very well at all. That's fine. Just imagine an opera singer

hitting a super high loudness. The glass breaking. Yeah. Do you think marine mammals can like detect that kind of thing? Probably. I wonder that's interesting to me. Opera House keeps most of that. They're probably just like, is that Greg?

No, I'm just, yeah, I'm going down a light of thought that. Clearly I'm the only one who thinks it's interesting. Sperm whales can sing so loud that it could like kill a person. I've heard that. That's my animal fact. Should I believe that, Wes? I keep thinking about whether or not you can cry underwater. Okay.

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Or just have a shark attack. So, unfortunately, I was looking at it. for hours for coyote in Australia, a coyote bite, and I just couldn't find it. Nope, but they got something similar. So no coyotes be wilding. I'm sorry. So what's the closest thing to coyotes be wildin in Australia? Dingo.

Good job. So I prefer McDonald's in America, I think. I had a McBracky at McDonald's. And the cheese was the most, and the sauce was like what I didn't love. Yeah. But I prefer men and. and women's asses in Australia so far. Interesting.

Yeah, not to, no shame in American. Yeah. Where are you too many McBrecky's in the U.S.? I mean, maybe they just show them a little bit more. Or maybe I just don't live in a beach town, but that's how I feel, right? So I was thinking, what should I title this? Okay. And I put Dingoes be dropping that ass.

Okay. All right. They probably call them bums here. Okay. Oh, I'm going, dingos be dropping that ass. All right. You got an uphill bad ass. I think Australian's very cute.

Like, a lot of the Australian English has very cute words. We can workshop it. Yeah, okay, that's fine. Like, but... No, this is yours, Jeff. This is your story. So, let's put a pin in that. Okay.

Okay. And now let's unpin it. A pin in the bum. And, um, so this happened in June 17th. So we're going back a ways here. But at Orchard Beach in the island's northeast end, a 24-year-old was running. and three dingoes started chasing her. So what would you do if you...

Wait, this is on Kagari? Yes. Okay. Sorry. Yeah. All of mine are on Kagari Island here. Which is the place to get bit by a dingo. Yeah, and it's happening a lot.

Dinkos be dropping that ass. Still not sure what that means, but... Well, we're unpinned it. Okay. We're not making any hats with that slogan. If you're running on the beach and three dingoes start chasing you, what are you going to do? What I read was that you should, if you're with someone else, you get back to back, put your hands up in the air. I can't remember.

She ran in the water and it seemed to work for this case. But I know that 10-year-old boy. That's not always good. But I think she could get deep enough where it was kind of like. If you can swim out fast enough, but they actually use, they think they use that as a strategy to kill kangaroos. Well, what happened at the same time, luckily for her, was some people in. and what they called was a Ute, like four-wheeling, saw what was going on and like drove the Ute down there

and threw her in it and took her to the hospital. June 23rd, this was just a video I watched. There's no real story, but there is a French lady sunbathing, and it was a pretty good looking ass. And the dingo just went up and directly bid it. Yeah. Jeff, you need to take a cold shower or something. I'm just doing my teeth.

I've seen that video just so you know. Okay, but it is what happened. We'll make it through. Yes, that is what happened. Like, guy or girl, if you're watching that video, like... I'm not commenting on her butt. Your attention's going to go to her butt, her bum. I'm not.

Okay. Sure. No, Jeff's not editorializing. He's stating the facts. Yeah. And then you're just like looking at this bum and then a dingo comes up and bites it. Yeah. And it's kind of, it's crazy.

That's why it went viral. It's not the worst attack. It's just a bum bite. All right. Okay. But believe it or not, they're not just biting women's bums. Okay. They're mainly attacking children.

They do love biting children. From December 10th, it said seven dingo-related incidents had happened, and six of them were children. One of them was a 10-year-old bitten at a campsite on the western end of Fraser Island. I thought you were going to say bitten on the western end of his body. Yeah. And they, this one was bad.

They had to like rush them to a hospital. And then a seven year old girl was bitten on January 4th. So this one, they saw a dingo as they were driving on the road. And the mother like got out of the car to take a picture of it or film it. Yeah.

So then like the mother didn't realize it but her daughter got out of the car as well. Oh, no. And as soon as the daughter got the car, the dingo just, like, made a beeline for her. Beeline at her. Yeah. And she started to panic and ran away.

The mom did? No, the kid. Oh, the kid. So instead of, like, going back in the car, she ran away. Yeah. And then that was just, like, worst case scenario. So then the dingo attacked her. It's like that little girl at the beginning of Jurassic Park 2.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. The confit is exactly like that. Yeah. There was one with, like, hardly any information. because it happened. But, like, I wanted one in February, and it said that boy in hospital after fourth dingo bite on Queensland's Kagari

in as many weeks. Wow. So there's been, like, a bite for the, like, so this was February 3rd that the article came out. So I think he got bit on February 2nd. It didn't specifically say that, but it made it seem like it just happened. Right. So from the start of February, someone had gotten bitten. every week for the last four weeks.

Wow. And I couldn't see anything more recent. Is that my February 7th right now? Yeah. So, I don't know. So, like, the most recent one I could find was February 2nd. Okay. But, like, the four weeks prior to that,

someone had gotten bit. Got it. Wow. Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes sense. Four week streak. Took a minute, but I got it. All right.

Well, you know, that'll probably be the start and end of my category. Well, that's right. I think we need. Make myself laugh when I wrote it. Yeah, I think we need to find... That's what's most important. Any Aussie listeners out there, give us the equivalent of Wylan. Yeah, maybe we can...

What would you say for Wylan? Have the listeners help workshop this one. Unless they like it. It seems to me like Wiling would be something they have like 20 words for here. Yeah. I just don't want Wiling for any animal, but coyote. Yeah, so we need the Australian equivalent. Okay, I got one more shark one.

In early December, Matteo Marriotti, guess where he's from? What country? Spain? Mateo Marriotti? Italy. Italy. Italy. Mateo Marriotti is a 20-year-old who's studying marine biology.

He had been backpacking. I sounded like Eli Roth in Ingloria, Spanistair. He'd been backpacking through Australia for the past year. So I think he, you know, like most, there's a lot of countries out there, European countries, lot of other ones where, like, kids just kind of take a year or whatever, a gap year, and they just go travel. I don't want to, like, interrupt you or derail you, but, well, I do. I do that all the time.

Obviously, your job on this point. But last night, I, like, went out on my own in the town here. Where are we? Carnes. Cairns. Cairns or Cairns is how they say it. But, like, I ended up at this, like, bar by a hostel. Mm-hmm.

And, like, somehow, like, I got dragged into, like, a speed dating thing. Okay. Really? We're like, yeah, it's like, I talked to a girl for like a minute and a half and then we moved down the line. Yeah. And so many of them were like, yeah, I've been here for like a year. Right, right. And it's like, oh, yeah, I've been here for like two days.

Right. Australia is like, and especially this part of Australia. And they're all from the UK. It's like a real big location for people to like figure out what they want to do. Like, I don't know what I want to do. I'm going to go hang out on Australia for a year. Anyway, which is I think how it started, right? The British just sent people here to like...

They sent prisoners. Yeah. It was a penal colony. All right. Anyway, so Matteo Marriotti, he's visiting Australia for a long time. He actually had just gotten word that his grandpa had died. So he decided to go snorkeling at 1770 Beach, which is a popular beach a few hours north of Brisbane, just a little bit north of Kagari. Almost immediately after...

You made Fraser's out. No, I mean Kagari. We use the indigenous names on this. this here podcast. Almost immediately after entering the water, Matteo felt a strong pain and pressure in his foot and realized that he was being attacked by a shark. The shark bit him three times before he was able to get his foot freed.

I think he said that he like pried his foot out of its mouth. And then he paddled back to shore, like swam back to shore. On the way there, he actually turns on his GoPro to say goodbye to his friends and family. No way. I watched the video a couple times. It's like real frantic swimming. The GoPro's all over the place. but you see blood all over the water.

There's a point where he gets almost out of the water and you see his shredded wetsuit and what looks like his shredded leg. We'll give him a pass for the video being shaky. Yeah. When he gets to shore, his friend who's a dive instructor pulls him from the water. They call for help. He gets rushed to the hospital where doctors ended up needing to amputate part of his leg.

A GoFundMe was set up to pay for his high medical costs because he didn't have Australian insurance. But apparently, I had to like Google Translate. the whole GoFund Me and it was really long so I had to do it in segments. There's some controversy around this GoFundMe like maybe his friends were like trying to take the money or maybe things aren't what they seem. Not totally sure.

I'm just putting that out there that there might be a little controversy around this whole thing. But we're sure the shark got his leg. I'm not gonna like I don't know. Wow. But I'm pretty sure. I mean I saw a video of it. Yeah, he videoed himself with like blood and right.

In the water. I don't, I didn't totally understand. what the controversy is because they just kept referencing like a con and posts on social media. Seems like he should be able to like go on a social media and be like it's not a con. I think more though it was like his friends set up the go fund me and I think more people were like accusing them of shaving something off the top. I think that's what it was but I couldn't really tease it out.

Anyway, I'm just putting that out there. I'm not saying this didn't happen. So a quick thing that I found when I was researching these shark attacks, I got sharks on the brain. I wanted to do mostly sharks. There was like a crocodile one recently. A kid got attacked in the northern territories, but there wasn't much details about that.

How do you end up? Critical condition. And I couldn't find an update on him. He's in trouble. Yeah. Those aren't ones you want to get attacked by. That's not a good animal to get attacked by. No.

He's lucky that he got arrested. Sometimes you're just gone. Sometimes they can kill you. Yeah, it happens. Yeah. Of large animals, they kill the most. All right. So Australia is currently the world leader when it comes to fatal shirt.

Shark bites. 2023 was a particularly bad year for fatal bites with 10 people dying worldwide. When you think about that, that's pretty crazy that 10 people a year is a particularly bad year. Like the average, I think, is five. And we tend, I think people that are truly afraid of sharks think that this happens every single day. It really hardly ever happens that people die from a shark bite. And when you do dive into this data of the people that did die, almost all of the, these attacks were exploratory.

Four of them were from Australia last year. Most of them, they think were just exploratory bites. There were a few from last year that were fatal bites outside of there that weren't, like the Egypt one. That was not an exploratory bite. That was a shark preying on a person.

Yeah. But currently, Australia is the world leader when it comes to fatal shark attacks. They had four out of the 10 last year. I think the U.S. had two, and the other four were like Egypt, I think Papua New Guinea or something and Bahamas and one other, I can't remember. Is there like any possibility that some of the less privileged countries don't report?

Don't like have. Yeah. There's always that possibility. Typically these things get reported though. Like a shark fatality normally someone finds out. It usually ends up. Yeah. I mean, I think there's always like the chance too that there's these people that just go missing.

You know, like there's a swimmer that just disappears and like, yeah, the knee jerk is to say drowning, but there's always the chance that it was a shark. But really, even if you added those, this doesn't happen that often. I mean, this is kind of on par with the number of people that die from bear attacks every year, which is hardly any. Yeah. It's just really not a lot of people. I was actually surprised to read that. I thought it was more. 10 being a really bad year, considering how many people go in the ocean every year and how many sharks are in there.

the ocean. I mean, and then also considering the harm that we do to them, which is just multitudes and multitudes and multitudes higher, you know, they really don't want much to do with us. I remembered we were trying to figure out a story. I wanted to do one like non-Australian one and we were trying to figure out what it was and we decided to go full Australian. Yeah. But I just thought of it and I think I can put it into this context that we're talking about.

But is that kid at the Lantus Hotel who was like snorkeling with sharks in like a hotel setting? Yeah. Do those like count towards the statistics? Yeah. Like a... But that wouldn't be considered... Statistics. I don't think that would be considered an unprovoked shark attack.

I think if you're like feeding sharks in a tank and one attacks you, I'm pretty sure they would count that as provoked. Or like spear fishermen that are like spearing a fish and a shark rushes them, I think they tend to count those as pervasive. What about the guy who, like, caught one fishing and then it cut his pink, or it bit his pinky off? Provoked. Definitely. Yeah, if you put your hand in its mouth and it bites you. How do you drink, like, wine without a pinky? Yeah, you can't put your pinky out anymore.

Or tea? Tea, no crumpets? You can't. You eat your crumpets with your pinky out, too? I'm just saying crumpets go great with tea. That's right. And you can't have tea. How you eat your large, your giant skittles anymore?

Dude, we should make sense. a wine glass where like the there's a pinky finger sticking out for people that don't have a pinky people that got it bit off yeah are you supposed to do that with wine glasses i don't feel like i've ever seen that with the wine i feel like that's a tea thing yeah i don't drink either of those things so i mean you jealous you're the famous guy i'm not you're the fancy guy i'm not fancy you won't eat that out back no i just don't want to ever eat there again i've eaten there enough All right. You're great at protecting your data,

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So, this one's from Greg. Greg says, Stone Age humans seem to be an all-consuming super predator, eating mammoths and rhinos and tragically driving extinctions, which is true. They think that some of the megafauna that died in the Stone Age was a direct result of people hunting them to death. Given that, how would a fit human with like a knife or a spear

do in the cage match category? If poorly, what's the disconnect there? So let's say a spear. Spears better than knife. But he's saying a fit human, like a modern human. I'm just going to say like... Like a beefy boy. You grab a beefy boy from the gym.

Yeah. And you just pick him at random. He's benching what? He's benching more than 200 for sure. Oh, man. Yeah. You throw him in the cage, you give him a spear. I don't think he's doing that great.

Really? Really? I think a stone age man who, like, has to fight for his survival every single day, is doing really well. Like, most bears. I feel like... Grizzly's killing him. Black bear kills him, I think. Black bear's killing him.

Polar bear's killing him. Sun bear's killing him. We haven't done a sun bear. Okay. Oh, we're just doing ones we've done. Yeah. What about Caledon Storm Blessed, who has magical, mystical powers with the spear? He's doing a lot of stuff.

He better kill the chimpanzee. Because if he doesn't, I think the chimpanzee learns how I use the spear. And then it's over for all of us. And then it's planet of the apes. I'm probably giving him the edge on the wolf. I'm giving him the edge on the monitor lizard, the Wolverine. Dingo? Me.

Dingo, coyote, birds. Can I just put it out in the... You think you could hit a bird with a spear? That'd be hard. A spider with the spear? I could not do that. Just squash it with them. I just want to give people a little peek behind the curtains that me and Wes got in like a heated debate about a chimpanzee versus a man in a cage match.

Jeff, after literally doing this podcast for three years, Jeff still thinks he could just beat a chimpanzee in like hand-to-hand combat. Are you kidding me, Jeff? I think... It was like our fourth story. It was like our fourth story. the dude's face off. But there was other elements going on. The birthday cake.

There's two. The two birthday cakes. I don't think I could beat two. And he had to like protect his wife. So he wasn't like full. It would be over in less than 30 seconds. I would bet my house on it. Like if they're both enraged, I'd take that bad.

Like you have an enraged chimpanzee and you have an enraged Jeff. And you put them in a cage match together with no weapons. I would I would bet everything I own on the chimpanzee. and I would feel the most confident I've ever felt. Well, what odds do I get? Because I think the chimpanzee beats me, but I think I got it changed. You did say that last night. This is your...

No, our argument was how much muscle. That was later. And that was because I was telling... No. Our oldest brother was arguing he thinks he could be the chimpanzee. But you agreed with him. You said you could just throw your weight on him, and then I said... I was saying it's possible.

No, you were saying that you think he could do it. No. You thought you could do it. I never said that. I don't even think it's possible. It's not possible. I take this bet, though. This is your best chance to get a house, Jeff.

Yeah. You need Jesse in on that, though. No, but our biggest argument was just if I have more muscle weight than a chimpanzee that weighs 80 pounds total. Yeah. And to be honest, like, I don't know that one. Yeah. But what I do know, because I was already backed into a corner that, like, pretty much the entire car was saying, yeah, I think a human man. And to me, I was thinking of, like, that survey that came out where people were like,

I could beat a grizzly bear in a fight. Right. And it reminded me that. And I'm like, how was Jeff not just saying? No, absolutely not. There's absolutely no way that you could beat a chimpanzee in a fight. It's just not happening. Right.

Yeah. For the listeners, too, I have opinions. Wes's opinions on animals are better than mine. And like, we don't always agree, but, like, West knows more about animals than me. Like, I concede that. For me, this wasn't an opinion. This was, like, something that I, like, know deep down in my heart. Yeah.

Yeah. Anyways, that's just a peek behind that curve. Anyway, I don't think this guy could be the chimpanzee with the spear even. Just a random guy. I think the chimpanzee is going to be much more agile. I think a spear also is a weapon you need to kind of learn how to use. So I think a big target like a wolf that doesn't have any other weapon besides its mouth. I think he beats.

Okay. I'd want like the knife for a faster animal and a spear for a slower animal. I think I think with a knife. you got a good chance of beating a chimpanzee, like a good knife, unless it rips it away from you, and then you're just toast. Yeah.

But I don't know. I think an average beefy guy, like fit, you know, with the spear is only beating our, like, mid-range animals that don't have a lot of weapons. That's how I would say it. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

Next question. That one took a while. My bad. No, it's all right. It will be fun to listen to that. It will be. Oh, man. People love an argument.

Hi, I was wondering what you think would happen if the predator landed in... Oh, this is from Indecorous Art. I'm wondering what you think would happen if the predator landed in Middle Earth. Also, where and when would you want him to land? For both humor and badass factors, who would you like to see him go toe to toe with? Well, Bilbo's already kind of the predator. He can go invisible like the predator. We already kind of know what happens.

Yeah. Would it ignore the Hobbits? Would it go after the big bad? I don't think it would ignore the Hobbit so much as just like immediate. kill them and not even think about it. Just like collect their skulls. Right. Oh, it's tricky.

They're hard to kill. Yeah. They are. Name one hobbit that died in those movies. It's a good point. They don't kill hobbits, do they? Uh-uh. Sneegle killed Deagle and Deagle.

I think he would wreck orcs. Orks would get wrecked. I think he's like going to go hunt she lob. Here's the real question. A witch king. Yeah, the witch king. Do elf-eye see predator? Oh, that is a good question.

I think they do. I think they probably do too. The elves kill predator pretty quick. What do your elfies see? Do you see predator with your elfies. He's like, I do see. I see a large alien approaching. All right.

Yeah, I, okay. That's it for mine. Mike, do you have some more? Yeah, I do have one. This is from Emily K. What are your favorite folklore slash legend slash whatever creatures? Mine is Mothman because he can predict the future somehow and fly, L.O. Is that what the Mothman can do?

The mothman has all sorts of weird powers, I feel like. I feel like people really give the mothman a lot of stuff. Huh. Yeah. Okay. So like pretty much Emily's asking what our favorite, like crypt-tripted. Yeah. So I'm, mine's always been Nessie, to be honest.

That's a fun one. Yeah. Lachness. But if she's counting Mothman, you can count. Yeah, any cryptids. Yeah, sure. Well, he's more of a kaiju than a cryptic. Isn't that who he fights?

A little different. No, that's Mothra. Uh. Um. That's a funny, yeah. I'm going to say Nessie, just because Nessie seems like a dinosaur, and for me having, like, a living dinosaur always seemed really fun. Sure.

But, well, how about you guys? I'll go with Godzilla because he seems like a dinosaur. Fine. Okay. Well, let you do Godzilla. Yeah. I'll go Bilbo. All right, Bilbo Baggings.

He can be invisible. There's your answer, Emily. One kind of answer and two non-ansors. All right. All right. That's it for our subscriber questions. I got a few from Instagram. Just, you know, stay tuned on Instagram.

And every once in a while when I feel like it, I'll ask for questions. Will ask for questions. Will, yeah. The Instagram doesn't belong to Jeff. No. Well, I mean, he's on there the most. I personally am okay just handing it to Jeff. It's me and Wes.

Yeah. Mostly Jeff. Jeff's on there more than I am. Yeah. But Wes does chime in and I love your bare quizzes. Yeah. You know, I'm like 80%. I think.

All right. Why are you laughing? I do love them. All right. Walkabout minigoff, ass. Favorite walkabout course. Oh. Oh, wow.

This is hard. I will say, I think they're a programmer for them or something. Yeah, and we might do something with them soon. We should. It's our, like, we should mini golf with them. It's honestly, like, change the way that we do business. Change our life. Chuth and clock.

It has. We have business meetings in the Metaverse playing. Which is your favorite ball? is a better question. Oh, the sun ball. Skull balls. It's lava. It's a lava.

It's a lot of it. It's a son of a ball. Atlantis. My favorite course is Atlantis. Mike beat me with, I was using us. We both had the same ball so we decided whoever loses can never use it again. So I can't use the skull ball. It's such a cool ball, too.

Wes and I played Atlantis together the first time we played it. And Wes figured out you could warp to the sea turtles back and glide through the level. It was before we knew how to fly. Yeah, and we did it and we were just for like a half hour transfixed. We almost didn't even speak to each other. I like almost got emotional. It was like, I think I was a little out of my mind. Sure.

Like cruising around on the back of that sea turtle was just like magical. I'm writing a sea turtle right now. Yeah. Yeah, Atlanta's. I think I'm going to go candy, the sweets. I like the candy land. Sweetopia. With like the floating lanterns.

Shangri-La. Shangela. That's a good one too. Yeah. And my favorite ball is. the snake. Okay. Yeah.

Her name is Mov. Hi, Move. Do we know this person? We were friends. Oh, we were. I shouldn't say were. We are friends. We were friends and took a seven-year break and now we're friends.

Yep. There's more to that story. Nope. That's it. Okay. Mov asks, who is the best Simpsons character and who is the most underrated? The best for me is Homer. Homer's the best, I think we would all agree.

Underrated for me. Michael has a soft, or you'll do underrated. Sure, never mind. Yeah. Underrated, I think, is either Mr. Burns or Millhouse. Are the two that, like, there's just moments where I'm like, that's the funniest joke, the Simpsons is ever made. Yeah. And often it comes from one of the two of them.

Sure. Yeah. If we're all being honest, Homer's the best. But the show can't work without Marge. Yeah. Marge is so... She's a lynchpin. Yeah.

And has some of the, like, really understated best moments of the series, both, like, funny and, like, heartfelt. Yeah. I love Marge. Yeah. Got that, um, concierge's vibe. Yeah, she's kind of like Linda. March was kind of hot sometimes. Yeah.

Wouldn't, I like when Marge puts her hair down. Oh, yeah. Like young Marge. Yeah. Underrated's probably Grandpa Simpson. Okay. Like, I don't think he's ever in it where it's not funny to me. Huh.

Where an onion on your belt, that whole monologue was like one of my favorites. He might, like, I'm glad you like him. He's a hard character for me. Oh, really? Yeah. He's kind of gross. He's gross? He's gross?

He's gross? He's just like abrasive. Sometimes when he's on too much, I'm like, I've had enough of grandpa. See, for me? Well, I don't know. Maybe if I rewatched, I'd like Ned more, but I'd never liked Ned. I've never been a huge Ned fan either. But he's pretty funny.

He helps. It's like me and Mike, you know? I just like annoy Mike all the time and that just gets like the best reactions out of Mike. Ned annoys Homer all the time and that gives Homer the best reactions. Right. Rod and Todd are like incineraries of Ned and I think they're like top tier. For sure. All right.

Great question. LJ. Belly 40. What object in your life brings you the most comfort? If it's, if I can pick an anime, I don't. don't have a sex doll. If it's an animate object, I would definitely pick Bryce, my dog.

I'm not going to pick a person, but if I could pick an animate, it would be, like a sex doll. If it's a real person, it would be Jesse. But I'm not picking a sex doll. It's Bryce,

but then if it's an inanimate object, it's honestly probably my TV. Yeah. Like, that's just kind of how I relax. If I'm being honest, that's why I say. But like,

more for the same. spirit of the question, I'd say the green rock I inherited from my grandpa. Yeah. I really like that. Comfort? That gives you comfort. Just holding it, yeah. If I would say, like the spirit of the question, I'd say my fly rod.

Okay. Yeah. Like fly fishing. Yeah. My pillow. I've had the same pillow for like 10 years now and no other pillows come. You've never, any sense. I've never watched it one.

Really? Never a single time. Well, I put the new, what is it, miracle brand? Put those. Oh, nice. Silty. Silty. A pillow case on it.

Just made it my pillow. Wonderful. All right. Last one. Shelini, Nina. Do you work out when you're traveling? If so, what do you do? I literally like 10 seconds before you read that question, I looked at my reflection in the mirror.

And I thought, I look terrible. Yeah, I've been looking real fast. I just, like, am not happy with the amount of working out I've been doing recently. So no. But I want to start working out a lot more. I have a really big belly right now. For like my life in just if you took ratios of it. Yeah.

Yeah. But I was intentional because if I happened to see a koala and it happens to want to take a nap on me. Yeah. You want that gut. Really comfortable for it, you know. I get it. I used to do like push-ups and squats and sit-ups when I would travel. We had a little thing going for a while and then you had wrist surgery.

Yeah. I need to get back into it. I've had a weird month. I'm really good at packing workout clothes when I travel. Yeah. Halfway there. I like hotel weight rooms. Yeah, that is fun.

Yeah. There's kind of like hotels in general have a very liminal energy, which I super appreciate about them. And the same thing applies to their weight rooms where it's like, I'm never going to be in this weird little room ever again. Yeah. And I'm just kind of moving some weights around. Yeah.

It's nice. Full disclosure, like about a week and a half ago, I had a real scary health thing come up where I thought, I was told by several doctors, like there's a good chance I have cancer and it probably isn't. But like,

it did make me think I need to take better care of my body, like in general, you know? And like at this point, I think they're pretty confident it's not. But it was like a big wake-up call for me where it was like, oh, sure, these things don't last forever. See, we got to take care of it.

When I had my little scare after the colonoscopy, Yeah. I was kind of like, I'm going to die soon. I should just live it up. Yeah. McBrecky is all over the place. Let's get that McBrekey. Yeah.

You only live once? Take a bite, throw it away. I think, I think had it been like a positive diagnosis, like they told me I have it, then I might have been in the same boat. But having the scare and then like probably, being on the other end of it probably made me realize like, oh, you know. You only got so much time here, I got to make sure to make the best of it. Yeah.

And part of that's keeping taking care of it. my body. All right. Well, that's it. I think we're good. Yeah. Listeners. Pretty good.

Oh, we talked to Sophie and Sydney and Sophie said that she recently became a patron. Oh. Oh, thanks, Sophie. But she didn't realize that it was an app. Yeah. So I just want to make it clear that, like, Patreon is an app. Yeah. That's really easy if you want to get it to just download the app.

And then we have, what? How many 700 episodes on there? Definitely not that. Yeah, 700,000. But there's probably, there's over. You had, you did Treadwell on there. No, I haven't done Treadwell on that. There's over 100 hours on there, right?

Yeah, we're probably closing in on like 80, 90 hours. How many minutes? How many minutes? Probably like that. 80 times 60s, six times eight, what, 5,600? That's a lot of things. 4800. Yeah, I'm terrible at math.

Sorry. Anyway, it's great. It's really fun. If you would prefer to access it on desktop, you can. But like Jeff was saying, there is an app. And it's kind of just like any other, once you download it, you can use it just like you use any podcast app. And you can, I heard you can link it to Spotify. Both Spotify and Apple.

Both Spotify and Apple. Oh, yeah. With us and tag us in it next time. Sure. We'll see who. That was really fun. Some of you listen to like eight times the amount of content available to. So that was crazy, but we love you.

I never could have imagined that there was someone out there that listened to these episodes more than me. And I hate our episodes. Like, imagine, like, when we started this, like, what was it? Three years ago, imagine we're going to Australia and, like, some random listeners like, hey, can I, like, meet you guys? Yeah. Like, that's insane. It's wild. I never would have expected it.

It's super fun. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. We did it. Should we be done? Let's be done. It's been a good ride.

Yeah, let's be done. With the podcast, like just ended? Yeah, that was good. Yeah, we did good. No, I think, honestly, my next moves to go solo. That sounds great to me. All right. Thanks, everyone.

We love you. And we'll talk to you later. See yeah. How do they say goodbye in Australia? Goodbye. Good eye. Good night.