Tooth & Claw: True Stories of Animal Attacks - Two Bear Attacks in Arkansas - The T&C November Animal Attack News Roundup

Episode Date: November 10, 2025

Wes, Jeff, and Mike discuss some of the more notable animal attack, encounter, and otherwise noteworthy headlines from the past month or so, including a couple of bear attacks in Arkansas, an especially angry California squirrel, and a coyote intruding on a game of hide and seek. Watch here: https://youtu.be/skEgzFJFCso ~~ Hollow Socks: For a limited time Hollow Socks is having a Buy 3, Get 3 Free Sale. Head to http://www.Hollowsocks.com today to check it out. #HollowSockspod Graza Olive Oil: Take your food to the next level with Graza Olive Oil. Visit https://graza.co/TOOTH and use promo code TOOTH today for 10% off your first order! Miracle Brand: Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to ⁠https://trymiracle.com/TOOTH⁠ and use the code TOOTH to claim your FREE 3 PIECE TOWEL SET and SAVE over 40% OFF.” Ollie Pet Food: Take the guesswork out of your dog's well-being. Go to http://ollie.com/tooth and use code tooth to get 60% off your first box!⁠ LMNT: Show Notes: Get a free 8-count Sample Pack with any purchase at http://drinklmnt.com/tooth ~~ To advertise on the show, contact us! ~~ Tooth & Claw is brought to you by QCODE. Support the show and get access to an extensive library of exclusive episodes like this by supporting the show on Patreon or joining the Grizzly Club on Apple Podcasts. For the latest updates on the show and all things wildlife, follow us at toothandclawpod.com and social:  Instagram: @ToothandClawPodcast Twitter: @ToothandClawPod Wes: @GrizKid Jeff: @jefe_larson Mike: @mikey3ds Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, everybody. Hey, Dr. Nick. Hi, Dr. Nick. This is Tooth and Claw podcast. We have our bear biologist, Wes Larson. He is putting up peace signs. Then I'm his younger brother, Jeff Larson. And we have our very nice, very loves everyone,

Mike Smith, with us. Big Mike. Big Mike. Big Mike. What's the word on the street? I've done a lot of self-evaluating ever since this nice, we'll call it nice gate. It's the oh, you always put gate onto the end of controversies. Yeah.

I think you might be on to something, Jeff. I don't think I'm a very nice person. Wrong. I don't think you, I wouldn't go like the other way. Like, I don't think you're like a dick, but it's just like that's not what I would choose to describe. Yeah. No, it's just like every time we go out to eat, I always have to like say something to the waiter about how I don't like the food.

I have to send it back. Oh, I see. Oh, wait, no, that's actually, that's you, isn't it? That's actually a, no, but point taken. I'll tell a waiter if I didn't like my food. Yeah. I feel like they should know. Sometimes I respect that, you know, because I will just eat it and just be as quiet as a little mouse.

But sometimes I think, I wish I could just do that. Don't ask me if I like my food. I have to just say yes, no matter what. Fair enough. Well, it's like your coworker coming into the office to me and like, how you doing? And it's like, well, I'm actually not doing very. very well, Bob. It's like, no, I just wanted to hear good,

and then we can pretend like we don't work together anymore again, you know? Yeah. I get it. You are paying for that food, though. Yeah. Sure. It's hard-earned money, Mike. I like that, though.

I like that approach of flipping it. That was pretty good. You got me. Put me down in the muck with you with our listeners. I'm the only nice one here. If I don't see a Reddit thread about, is Jeff a dick? I'm going to be real disappointed in our listeners.

It's actually mean to service workers. Oh my gosh. Can't believe it. How are you guys doing? Bob. That's a good question. Yeah. Mike,

you look pale. I'm, yeah, I'm cosplaying as a ghost. It's Halloween. We're recording on Halloween. It's going to be after Halloween when you guys hear this. Yeah.

I felt like I'd get into the... It is Halloween day. I don't know what's going on with my face right now. I'm like glowing white. Yeah. What's going on? Nospharatu, vampire. We don't know.

Whatever. You look great, though, Mike. Well, we've done a lot of recording this week because we're about to go to Costa Rica. What animal do you guys want to see the most in Costa Rica? That's, like, potential, you know? Ketzo for me. A Ketzal? Resplendant Ketzo.

Or, I mean, a jaguar. Yeah. Mike? Give me a list of what we might see down there. I don't really know what's on the table. Likely is a lot of birds, some cool amphibians and ruffians and romew. reptiles. Like, I know you kind of like those red-eye tree frogs.

So I think that's one that we could probably see. That would be sweet. The one that I'm kind of hoping for in like a very probable way is a kill-billed toucan, which is a really cool-looking toucan with a bright, like, yellow and green bill. So that's kind of, I'm setting my expectations in a reasonable spot because a jaguar or like a puma or something's pretty, pretty unlikely. You said it's the second easiest place to see jaguars.

Yeah, but like. Outside of the Pantanol, everywhere is really hard to see Jaguars. You said there's more Jaguars and Mountaine. There are, but they're still really hard to see. Get your story together, didn't it? And we're not, there's one place in Costa Rica where they've gotten pretty good at eating sea turtles. And I think if you spent enough time there, you have decent chance to seeing a Jaguar. We're not going there.

I'm really excited to see a sloth. Never seen a sloth before. Hopefully we see one. Yeah. I don't think it's a given. Yeah. I think it's a given. Okay.

You ever see that movie seven? Yeah. Yeah. That's a bad sloth. You don't want to see that kind of sloth, in my opinion. Yeah. Just better on. Maybe, I don't know.

Yeah, it doesn't seem that bad. If you had like a TV and some snacks, sure. Maybe if you're like a detective going around just not having a whole lot of success, like you're not bringing a whole lot of cases or solving anything. If you walk into a room and see sloth, you're like, finally, finally I got something to investigate here, right? You might be a little excited. Or would you still be? be kind of bummed out.

Well, I mean, I'm not a detective, so I feel like that doesn't work for me. If you're asking, like, how I would feel. Yeah. Oh, if I was just like a different person. Yeah, I just like, yeah, use your imagination a little bit. And he just saw a sloth? No, a person like in the movie seven. Like if I walked into the sloth room in seven, maybe I'd be excited, I think Mike's

saying. Yeah, right. If I imagine those detectives are kind of like. Like, well, this is a pretty interesting. It's like, what are you doing out there, Wes? We need, we need it. There's murders happening. You haven't, you haven't solved a case in 10 years.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of like as a bear biologist, you know, when, when something kind of messed up happens, it is kind of exciting. So I did. I just put it on X, that Twitter app. Yeah. And they solve it for me, dude. Sure.

Yeah. Some real detectives on there. Yeah. They're real good at getting their people. Rock how to do it. Yeah. Well, it is our news episode. We are summing up the news from the last like month and a half.

It's been quite a bit actually. There's been some pretty interesting stories that we got sent a lot. Thank you everyone for sending us stories. Thank you to our intern, Brin, for organizing them. Bryn, you're the best. Got up, Brin. Thank you. Yeah.

And thank you, Bill, for editing this, hopefully. If you're not too busy with your other job. job. You're fired, Bill. Fired. He's not. All right. Anyway, yeah, we've got some interesting stories. Do you guys mind if I start? I think I'm just going to lead with the one that we probably got sent the most this month. I mind, but I'll allow it. All right. I'll wait then. I don't have to go first if you mind. He always goes first. It's not worth it to me. It's fine. Yeah. All right. I do love going first. Well, this is like the server type thing again. You asked. Yeah. Yeah. You know, don't Don't fault me because you asked.

Yeah. I'll eat this food. I just want you did discount it 50%. Okay. That's what I'm saying. All right. Well, you'll have to hear this story then. And if it's bad, you can get mad at me for going first.

This is the story of not one, but two black bear attacks that happened over the last two months in a very unexpected place. So unless you were alive in 1892, something happened in our case. Something happened in Arkansas over the last couple months that was a first for you, and then it happened again, which is what I just said. Two people in Arkansas were killed in Black Bear attacks, one in September, and then one the very end of September and early October. They're not totally sure what day it happened. These attacks involved two different bears in two different counties, so in a way it's kind of like a night of the grizzly situation, but a little bit less extreme. And we're going to talk a little bit about why this might have happened. But again, just to reiterate this, this is the first fatal Black Bear attack since 1892,

and two of them happened within a span of a couple weeks. Yeah. The first one was on September 3rd when Vernon Patton was in Mulberry Mountain, Arkansas, which is a great name. Arkansas, you do such a good job naming things. And when you say that, you mean in Arkansas, right? I don't think you said that. Yeah.

The first fatal Black Bear attack in Arkansas. I think I said that, but I could be wrong. I think people probably inferred it, but I just want to make sure it's clear. Okay. Play it back, Bill. See who's right. Who's wrong? So unless you were alive in 1892, something happened in Arkansas over the last couple months that was a first for you.

And then it happened again, which is what I just said. Two people in Arkansas were killed in Black Bear attacks. Put a little prices right. Thanks. Tuba noise. Thanks, Bill. You're hired again. Yeah, if I'm wrong, please.

do the one, one. Well, that was good. That was really good. Thanks. I've been practicing. All right. So Vernon Patton's in Mulberry Mountain, Arkansas. He's spreading some gravel near his residence.

This is a 72-year-old man. And a 70-pound sub-adult black bear emerged from the nearby woods and attacked him. Jeff, do you remember? There was a point in our study where we had put out some spring traps. We caught a bear in a summer. snare and rather than fully sedated it, we just half sedated it and released it from the snare by hand and kind of moved it in our arms. Do you remember that? Yes, sir. With Clint. That bear was about 70 pounds when we did that. So this isn't like a huge bear by any means. This is a pretty

small black bear. Not tiny though either. Not tiny and definitely still capable of a lot as what we're about to learn. So his adult son, Vernon's adult son, was coming by to check on his dad, and he found him actually being actively attacked by this bear, which has got to just be an absolutely horrific thing to stumble on. He gets out of his car or whatever he was in to come check on his dad. He throws rocks at the bear, and as he's doing this, this bear actually charges him as well, which again, for such a small bear, that's pretty weird behavior. And then it runs off into the woods. Not long after they would have emergency personnel and law enforcement officials and wildlife officials come, they saw the bear, they managed to get it up a tree, and they shot it in the tree.

So very confident they got the right one. Patton had extensive wounds to his head, his arms. He was airlifted to a regional hospital where doctors immediately operated on him, did their best to save his life. He spent roughly 10 days in the hospital, but unfortunately, ultimately his injuries were too severe for him to recover from, and he did die in the hospital. His family's obviously still grieving. This just happened and mourning the loss of their partner, their dad, and their grandfather. So this was really traumatic for them. And for the state of Arkansas as a whole, this was like unprecedented, you know, to hear about a black bear killing someone.

And the Ozarks in Arkansas are pretty good black bear habitat. From my research, there's probably around 5,000 black bears in Arkansas. Most of them are in the Ozarks. So this isn't uncommon to see Black Bears there, but they just hadn't had any big issues. So everyone's kind of struggling to make sense of this. And then lightning strikes again in early October. A 60-year-old man named Max Thomas was camping alone in the popular Sam's Throne campground in north-central Arkansas when he failed to return home and his concerned family

called authorities in the area. And a sheriff's deputy went to the empty campsite, and when he got there, he noticed signs of a struggle. He followed those signs into the brush nearby this campsite, and right there he found the body of the man, not far from the campsite. And he said there were signs of a large carnivore attack and subsequent feeding. So authorities learned that he had texted a photo of a bear to his family on the morning of September 30th while he was camping. So they pretty much immediately assumed that this had been a bear attack. Can you guys guess what other animals would maybe be in play in Arkansas? Mountain line.

So that's a good one. That was where my mind went first too. But really Arkansas only has like the occasional transient mountain lion that passes through. They don't have a breeding population. But they have been spotted there especially recently. So it could have been. Coyote is the other one I thought of. Mike, do you have any others?

I was just going to guess some canine, caned like wolf coyote. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly like not a jaguar, but outside of. If one escaped from a zoo or something. Well, you're coming in from Mexico. Yeah, but not all the way up to Arkansas. Maybe.

The other thing that I thought it could have been is just a dog, you know, a feral dog. Unfortunately, like, you guys have probably run into this too. When we're doing these news episodes and I start searching for animal attack stories, it's like 75% dog attack stories and the rest are wild animals. There's a lot of dogs out there. So, they do think this was. was a bear, though, based on the fact that he'd been fed on, that he had sent this photo, and then subsequent analysis of his remains confirmed that hypothesis.

So, a hunt was conducted. Did you, like, text anything with the photo? Like, what if this thing just kills me? I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think he said anything like that, but that would be pretty crazy if he had, that's for sure. A hunt was conducted for the responsible bear, and a male black bear was killed. based on the photo they'd seen a large male bear

they killed a large male bear on October 6 but a DNA and you know what this is it's not funny but it's interesting as I was reading this I thought there's a very good chance they didn't get the right bear they actually did an analysis and realized that this was probably not the right bear based on DNA yeah so it's probably still large I think you gotta keep these bears alive and interrogate them

is how I do this a bear line up and call someone Yeah, that's why I have, like, the death penalty, especially so quick. Yeah, right. You know? I do. Green mild. Bears are people, too. I think, I think, no.

The guy in the green mile didn't do it. This is a bear. This is a bear you should remove from the population without a doubt. We've talked about this a lot on the show, but not only is there a chance that someone else is going to get hurt, but it's a big liability for the state. Because if they leave it, and people need. know they left it and someone else does get hurt, there's a lot of legal precedent to sue, and that costs the wildlife agencies. A lot of money that they could be putting into much better things. Tomorrow morning is knocking. Stock your fridge now. How about a creamy mocha for

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but a lot of those early 1900s numbers didn't really get reported. But I think it's important to say I could not find a single record of someone being killed by a black bear when they had bear spray with them. So I think the lesson here is that even though these kind of fatal attacks are very rare, black bears are more than capable of killing a human, even a small black bear like that 70 pounder, and they're really opportunistic animals. So if you're camping or recreating in black bear country, just makes a lot of sense for you to have your way out of a negative encounter. So a deterrent, make sure you're doing good food storage. I think part of the problem, people, just to kind of wrap this up, people are going to say, why did these both happen at the same time? I kind of just think it was a

coincidence. There could have been like a natural crop that failed or something. Maybe these bears were really hungry. But I do think in these states where they've gone so long without any problems, people have gone a little complacent often and they kind of don't think that their bears are as dangerous and maybe aren't as educated about the dangers and about deterrent and about food storage and all of that. So it could just be that that was a terrible coincidence that there was two at once. Yeah, that's awful.

Yeah. Tough. You don't really think Arkansas for animal attacks normally. You sure don't. Yeah, they got some gators there, but not in this part in the state. Bill Clinton was born there, I think. Oh, yeah. Razorbacks.

And then that gets you're thinking about Monica Lewinsky. That does. You just get going down a weird path if you start thinking about Arkansas too much. Blue dresses. Sure do. Yeah. I have a question.

And it's not that just out of curiosity and it's not like I feel like anything should or anyone should be held accountable for this. But is there any system in place that holds organizations or people accountable for maybe getting the wrong bear in a scenario like this or not? Is that just kind of like part of that, it goes with the territory kind of thing? Yeah. It's like again, where they're not an animal that's threatened or that like really needs. needs an extra level of protection.

They don't. Like in Yellowstone, for example, if we had had a grizzly bear mall someone or something and we caught a grizzly bear that we thought might be responsible, this didn't happen to me while I was there, but I know their precedent is they would actually test the bear in a trap, like get a DNA sample, have the bear in like a holding facility, test it. And if it wasn't the responsible bear, they would re-release it into the wild. They wouldn't kill it until they knew. But with a black bear, I think they can be a little bit more fast and loose.

And sometimes, and this is unfortunate for the animals, but sometimes people just need to hear that something is being done, you know? And when they hear that a bear was killed, it's going to give them some peace of mind. I'm very nice to my servers. I need to get that out. I don't think I said that. There's been a few times where I've got the wrong order or like a very bad thing where I told them. But I wasn't, like, mad.

I just let him know. Oh, you were slamming your fist on the table. But, hey. I'm the only one for allegations. Yeah, we'll find one for you. Yeah, we'll get you. We'll stick you with something. I can go next unless you want to, Mike.

I'll go next, actually. Are you sure you want to ask? Because I... No, you go for it, Jeff. I nominate Jeff and not West. Okay. So this one, I'm actually... I'm going to do two because this first one, I think...

It might end up being better as a future main episode. It's a little fresh right now. But I just think it's a good... I like when Wes does grizzly bear like bear spray versus gun type stories, and I think this would work well with that. But a man in British Columbia had a really bad encounter with a grizzly bear while he was hunting on October 7th. And he's a 63-year-old named Joe Pendry,

and he was out hunting, a grizzly bear charged him, he shot it in the leg, and the bear still mauled him, had his head in its mouth, got him pretty bad, and he was kind of an inspirational story of his recovery, but then he ended up passing away a couple days ago from the blood clot. So, but like I said, I do think we'll probably want to talk about this one more. Okay. future date.

He's a boxer, too, and he broke his hand punching the bear. No, but that's a few times. Yeah. But anyways, we, I think, I just think it's a good one to revisit later on when it's not so fresh with like more detail. Okay. Was that blood clot? I know, again, we're going to be talking about this. Maybe.

He had a lot of it. Was the blood clot caused by, was that a byproduct? Kind of. It was like, he had to have so many surgeries from the bear encounter. Oh. That, like, he got blood clot. Yeah. Maybe that's, so my mom died from a pulmonary embolism.

Maybe it was a bear. It could depend. We're not ruling anything. Yeah. It was like a, well, yeah, I don't want to speculate too much out of respect for her. It's Halloween. We could get a weed de board and ask her. You think it was maybe from a surgery she had or something?

Yeah. Like post-surgical complications. Yeah. So, yeah. So, I don't know what that first surgery was a result of. Yeah, was she mauled by a bear before that? I'll ask. Yeah.

I'm going to start asking her. Yeah, we are detectives. This next story, I can confidently say, was just one big old misunderstanding. Okay. All right. Can't wait. So in Portland, Oregon, a nine-year-old child on October 30th,

this came out, but it was like a week before that. So in the October 20th, he was playing with his three-year-old brother in their yard, just like in their yard playing hide and seek, right? Yeah. So when you're playing hide-and-seek, normally there's a safe zone right even it when they find you you can run to the safe zone and then you win you guys play it that way i never that's a new rule set for me that's how i always played it okay

the person who's seeking looks for you and they have to tag you before you get to like the safe zone which is where they start so i can only assume this coyote played by my same rules Because this coyote saw the two children playing hide-and-seek in the yard, and he found one of them and started chasing them. And, I mean, coyotes can't really touch with their arms very well. So he bites them on the foot. Right. Right. And, you know, coyotes, they got pretty sharp teeth.

So this nine-year-old had to go to hospital get his foot checked out. And this coyote, I think, won the game of hide-and-seek. still but that's coyote's be wilding for this week do we know where the three-year-old is yet he might still be hiding in that case i'd say he won that's true the coyote has to get both of them yeah exactly right it's kind of embarrassing that your little three-year-old brother had a better hiding spot than you if a coyote found you found you and not him right unless like the three-year-old was seeking they are good at they're really good at hiding in tiny spaces I just played hide and seek with my three-year-old niece

and she was like fitting and stuff for us just like oh my gosh I can't believe she was doing that so they're pretty good at hiding actually that's true yeah yeah I rescinds yeah these kids didn't know there's a coyote play and then tell the bit when they're that's such a good strategy

so yeah I think you know he saw the the coyote saw the kids play and just thought it's fun yeah Sure. Get in on that. I can confidently say that. I don't know.

I don't know if you can, but. I think growing up, we played hide and Zeke like too many times. We played a lot. Because dark is where we. We didn't have like a big house and we only played in the basement and there's just like eight spots that you chose from every single round. But we would also like block out any source of light. So it was just pitch block. And then we would just like run into each other and stuff.

There's times I would just like lay on the floor like out in the open but it's so dark. Yeah. And that is how we played, huh? If you got to the stairs, you were safe. Yeah. So I always tried to hide close to the stairs. That's right. And if everyone got there, then the person had to count again.

Yeah. Yeah. That is a fun way to play. Nice. We should play that next time we go up to your parents. Let's do it, dude. We have to go to our old house. Yeah, formally, you are invited, Coyote, just putting that out there in case he's listening.

I'll go. I'm not going to ask. I'm going. Okay. So this happened, September 23rd is when this was reported through ABC News plus several other sources, but it's looking bad in California, guys. You heard about this? No.

The sea lion? Is this the venomous snake bite thing, the dog training? Oh, if only, that'd be so much better than this. Have you seen San Andreas? Things can go real I have seen California at any moment. Paul Giammati

really just given his best you know like not a movie that deserves his talents but he gave it his best. The only reason I watched that movie is because I saw Carlo Gugino's in it

and I was like I gotta watch this yeah. Well it's not a venomous snake not anything like that it's a squirrel that's been reported as having attacked

at least five people in the Bay Area over the past few weeks. Wow. And it's been biting and scratching some of these people so badly. At least two of them have had to go to the emergency room, which is pretty crazy. It's crazy, but also like if you think about, you know, if you get attacked by a wild animal, you're probably going to want to go get it checked out by somebody. But the squirrel is getting in some pretty good, doing some good damage to some of these people.

So one of these victims. Not going to rule out hide and seek in this story. squirrel could be real good at hiding I could be really good at hiding. I mean, it's been training its whole life hiding those nuts. Yeah. So one of the victims, her name was

Isabelle Campoy. She said the squirrel launched itself at her face while she was strolling around the Bay Area. The city of Lucas Valley last week in the Bay Area. Left her with bruises and deep bloody gashes across her forearm. Quote, she almost killed me, Isabel

said. Jeez. I was full of blood and I ran to the emergency room. And I'm not going to, I'm not trying to downplay because in the moment you like kind of freaked out. Yeah. She would have made it on her show had she gotten killed by a squirrel, like as a main story.

Yeah. For sure. Right. But the squirrel, it's been going after all kinds of members of the neighborhood. Another, her name was Joan Heblich. She was out on just a morning stroll when she said it jumped out of nowhere and

latched onto her leg and started just going to town on it. It was like vertical. So the tail was coming up towards. her chest and her face and just freaked her out really bad. The story, it's interesting in conjunction with another study that I saw was performed last year. And this is kind of new information to scientists, I guess, about it was a study performed by the University of Wisconsin-Oclair and a joint study by them in the University of California. And it was observing squirrels were being a lot more flexible in their diet than they were previously

assumed to be, not just nuts or like more meat. Herbivorous. But yeah, they were omnivorous if they were pushed to, you know, like a need to find. It was mostly voles they were going after. That'd be so weird if you're just

watching a deer and you'd just see it fall over and you're like, huh. And then a little squirrel running all over it. Right. Well, they can kill these old ladies. But anyway, it is, it's interesting. It's not like, this study wasn't like these squirrels are going to go after humans and eat their meat.

or anything, but it is, it's just an interesting development for squirrels in this part of California that's like, oh, wow, these squirrels are eating meat and now they're going after humans. I'm not saying, I'm not, I'm just saying. I'm not saying, I'm not saying anything. Yeah. That's true. Really? Mm-hmm.

Whoa. Yeah. Wow. Why? Just like, if they are just like, happen to have the opportunity, sometimes they'll do it. It's kind of like there. Did they, like, chase them down? No.

It's more like, if, like, if, like, they stumbled on one that they were able to catch, they would eat it, or if, like, one was hurt or something. You kind of, that's how, it's always weird when you see these animals that you don't think should eat meat and they do. And you realize, it's really off-putting, but then it also, you realize, like, how much it is just about getting calories. You know, it's not so much about, like, taste or anything.

And obviously, their biome, their gut biome and everything is only prepared for certain things, but most of these animals will eat meat if they get the chance. That's super interesting. Yeah. Xavier Leggett on the Carolina Panthers. Yeah. What about him? Squirrels.

He'll eat squirrels, too. Yeah. I'd probably eat a squirrel. If I, like, went to someone's house and they're like, hey, we're eating squirrel tonight, I'd be like, all right, I guess we're eating squirrel tonight, you know? Sure. Yeah. You said this place was steps from the water.

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I loved... I saw a quick headline from this story and they had like a bulletin thing that they were posting around the neighborhood. And it's this photo of the squirrel, like, jumping at the camera. And it, like, in big red letter says squirrel attack. Yeah. This is not a joke. Yeah.

Big banner. Yeah, that's great. We'll have to post it. Mike, on a scale of 1 to 10, how big of a survivor fan are you, the show? I've never watched a single episode. I don't know. Maybe I would like it, but I think I'd have to say zero, yeah. Or would that be a five?

Are you neutral or are you against it? I think at my baseline, I'm a little negative towards reality TV in general. So I'll say like a three. Okay. Cool. We got a big fight once over if five is neutral or not. We won't rehash that here. No, we won't.

Anyway, Jeff, how about you? Where would you say you are on zero to ten? Probably eight. Yeah. I'd say I'm right around there, too, eight or nine. I actually didn't. I watched it the first few seasons with my parents growing up. And then I stopped for a very long time.

And then right around the pandemic, I really got into it again. And now I've watched pretty much all the seasons. I've watched a lot of the Australian seasons, which is a better show. Just going to come out and say it. But something. Putting your foot down. Shots fired. On the important issues, Wes is a drawing definitive line in the side.

It's a debate, you know. Sure. Something interesting happened in Survivor last two, like a week and a half ago. and it was something that probably is never, or maybe it was two weeks ago, it probably never happened before on the show, and it was an animal attack. So there's a contestant,

his name is Jake Latimer, and he's from Winnipeg, Canada. He was relaxing on the edge of the water on the Survivor Island, which is in Fiji, when suddenly a yellow-lipped sea crate bit his foot. Now, how much do either of you know about this particular snake? They're also called banded sea crates. Like one to ten?

Now, how much do you know about it? Right. Not a numerical value of what you know. One to ten, I know about like a five about him. Okay. Yeah. Neutral. I would say a ten because I know about them.

They exist out there. So yeah. Yeah. It's more like a yes or a no binary thing. Basically, this is a type of sea snake, but it's one that you find more near the coast around coral reefs, that sort of thing. And they are highly venomous. They're in the Alapid family, which puts them in the same family as. like cobras and coral snakes, some of the more venomous snakes in the world, and they too have a

really potent neurotoxin. The difference between them and those other snakes, well, coral snakes are somewhat similar, is that you really have to push these snakes to get bit by them. You have to harass them usually, or do something to them to where they'll come up and bite you. Now, we don't know exactly if this guy pushed him or not, but he claims he was just sitting on the side of the water when suddenly a snake bit his foot. Their front fang snakes with small front fangs, and he said that it latched onto his foot. He ran up to tell some of the other survivors that, and people just came out of the jungle from the production team.

Like, it was all hands on deck, and they're like, wait, what happened? And he told them exactly what had happened and what type of snake. And they're like, okay, we have to get you out of here immediately, you know? And then some of the other survivors, they have this booklet, I guess, camp that shows like potentially dangerous animals and one of them opened it to that page and it says like highly venomous and they all got pretty worried. Yeah. And I was really curious what was going to happen because I like to me is like, oh, if he got

envenomated, he's probably going to die. Seems like a easy person to vote out. Yeah. Well, we'll get to that. And he was playing a pretty good game actually. But he gets on the boat. He starts having a problem breathing. you see him like spitting a lot and I'm thinking oh he's you got like a real bite and they take him in

and I guess on the way to the island where they have their kind of headquarters with all the staff and medical and whatnot they had lost contact and so when they get into that dock you hear someone from the dock yell is he breathing is he alive and because they'd lost contact they just assumed he might be dead and when he got there he was still walking and everything And so at that point, I'm thinking, okay, there's a decent chance this is a dry bite. And sure enough, it was. The symptoms that he was having were probably mostly from shock and anxiety. And also, like, they're starving themselves out on this island.

So I'm sure there's other physiological stuff happening. But they treat him. Yeah. It's out of control. Yeah. For sure. They treat him for a snake bite. They realize it's probably a dry bite.

And they actually end up sending him home because they just figure out. that that had been too much of a shock on his system and they couldn't justify putting him back into the game. What? He's probably mad about that, right? I would imagine. So I would be so mad if I got sent home for a dry bite. But I will say the silver lining is he had a baby that was due to be born and he was really bummed that he was going to miss his first kid's birth while he was in Survivor. And he made it back 48 hours before his kid was born.

So we got to be there for his son or I don't know if it was a son or daughter for his kid's birth. So. Right. Pretty crazy moment in reality TV though. I honestly like that. Yeah. A venomous snake bite and not just any snake. Like this is a snake.

So I did a little diving into the snake's history and they really hardly ever bite people. But there was a guy in 2018 off the coast of Northeastern Australia, fishermen who pulled one up in a net and was trying to free it from the net and got bit. and was envenomated and he died before any kind of help could get to him. Man, that would have been crazy for Survivor if someone died. It probably would have ended the season. Someone finally didn't survive. Well, imagine too, like having to stay there after that, you know? Like, oh, hey, by the way, Jake's gone and everyone's like, oh, you voted him off.

Even like now, it's like kind of scary. It's like, man, I'd be so much more scared. Yeah, they did, they talked about that on the show. Jeff was, Jeff Probst, the host was like, just so you guys know, I've talked to everyone. No one's even ever heard of this happening before. None of the locals have ever heard of this happening before. This was like such a freak bite. And it is.

Like, for one, just to swim up and bite someone's foot like that is really, really strange. So. It is curious to me, though, that on a show called Survivor, everyone just survives. Yeah. It'd be nice if one guy finally died, right? It would make the name more, like make more sense. Yeah, exactly. Like the show alone, they're alone.

And Survivor, they survive, but they, like, you would think someone wouldn't survive. I wonder if they would have still aired the season if he died. I bet they would have just scrapped it. That's an interesting. Just give them all a million dollars. Yeah. So my dad, when he was swimming in college, he got invited to the Olympic trials, and he decided to not go because you wanted to stay home for the birth of my oldest brother, like their first

child. You think that's the right move? Uh, no. I don't think so either. Yeah. I think, you know what, I think if your wife is like, I need you there, then it's the right move. But if she was like, no, I don't care, do whatever you want, then like go, you know, I don't know. Well, ask my mom how she was. Yeah. Where's that Ouija board? Yeah. I got it. That's your one question. Yeah. She's like, you get one question. No, I think he was mostly just like, well, I wasn't going to make it anyway. But it's like, I don't know. It would be fun to go and at least try.

Yeah. But let's just do one of our categories right now. What's your favorite all-time moment in Survivor? Mine, I think it was Micronesia. But there was, so I'm just going to set the stage. I don't remember their names even. I remember one of their names was Pavarty, and Amanda too. But there was like three women, three or four.

women and there was a guy that was left too and he had won the immunity necklace and there was like not that many players left so if he had just like gone through like you're supposed to if you win the immunity necklace you're not allowed to be voted out and they went to like the tribal council and the girls convinced him to give it up like to give it to one of them because they promised him they wouldn't vote him out and it's like not something you should ever even consider doing and he gave it away at tribal council and they immediately voted him out they got him oh my god yeah that it was it was so crazy and shocking that it's yeah that's my all-time what did he do when he got voted at yeah i mean he just thought he was the he was like i am so dumb i can't believe i did that yeah

did he like get mad at the girls or did he say like no i think he i think he didn't say nice job but I think he just like was like that was dumb I should not even consider that yeah I really like early survivor a lot season one I like in the final thing they used to ask just the craziest question and one of the ladies was like if you were in the desert about to die from thirst I would not give you my water to let the girl who ended up winning yeah like just you That's so mad still. They took it so seriously. And then my favorite guy ever was Boston Rob.

So his first season where he like played it perfectly and then is him and he started dating Amber on the show and like is between them and the end and he proposes to her. Yeah. And it's like, okay, so they both won no matter who won. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great move. Yeah. Again, I've never really watched a full episode of the show, but I do remember it was the first season with the naked guy, right?

Yeah, Richard. Our whole like third or fourth grade class whenever that was airing was just in an uproar because this guy was naked. Well, he caught a shark with his bare hands, dude. Yeah, that was one of his other seasons. I think it was the first season. It wasn't. It was like season three or four, I think. but I'm sure it was a different

You think he came back after winning season one In season three or four They brought him back I've seen it yeah I know they did but it was a while later Yeah It I remember the scene Because he pulls the shark out

And then it bites him on the arm actually So there has been another animal attack Yeah Hey But if you want to put down some money I'll put down some money But I'm positive on this one Base tattoo

Okay So you shouldn't just said you're positive I know I just, you could have gotten some money out of me there. Phenest him there. You usually don't care if I say I'm positive is why I said that. Well, you say it a lot. I know.

So why don't you drop? You might as well bet me. You overused it. That bet me. It's cheating. No, I'm not that confident. Yeah. But what was I going to say?

Oh yeah, I think Richard got arrested too because he won and then he didn't pay taxes. Yeah. Yeah, he did some jail time. thing that like I just if I hear about like when Wesley Snipes was going through the tax evasion thing I was just not bothered in the least by it it's like I don't care that yeah good for him good for this good try guy in California won like the biggest lottery ever and is two billion and after taxes he ended up with like 400 million yeah crazy and everyone's like he's the only billionaire they're paying appropriate taxes.

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So this is a pygmy, mulga snake. You ever heard of those? No. Venomous snake in Australia. Highly venomous. I think it was a pygmy monga snake. It could be wrong. The article actually never reported what type of snake it was, but then it had a picture of a pygmy monga snake. So I assume that's what it was. And I looked at a few articles and it never said. But in the northern territory in Australia, I mean, we went to Australia. A lot of people walk around barefoot in Australia. It's a very clean country, you know, not much glass on the ground to keep it clean. And a lot of people walk around barefoot. So this 41 year old woman, she liked to walk around

barefoot in her suburban neighborhood, right? Sure. She's walking around and she steps on a pygmy monga snake. I think it looks a lot like an inland type pan. Okay. So she steps on this little snake, looks like it in Lintyipan, it looks like it could be venomous. So first thing you would do is like see if you got bit or not, right? So she starts checking her foot for any signs of blood or teeth marks or anything. And she can't find like a single scrape, a single like thing on her foot. So she thinks she just stepped on a snake and nothing happened. Yeah.

So 10 minutes later she goes to her country club. and she asked her worker who asked not to be, she asked a worker who asked not to be named to help her check her feet for bite marks and told them the story, right? And the worker said she had mentioned she stepped on snake, maybe she had gotten bitten, there's no blood, no marks, nothing.

Then we again asked, are you okay, are you feeling any different? Did you feel it bite you? And she said she didn't. 20 minutes after signing at the club, the woman collapsed. Wow. Whoa. They started giving her CPR.

They called for help, and she wasn't able to, like, be resuscitated, and she ended up dying. Oh, gosh. Yeah. Pretty crazy. I don't know. Like, I feel like out of caution, you should just, there, it's called triple zero. Yeah. But like you should, if you step on a snake in Australia, you should probably make the call.

Especially if you can identify it without a doubt, call someone. Yeah. I just looked them up. They're another elapid snake. So the same family as cobras and typans and the secrets and everything, like highly venomous snakes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and I'm not confirming that that was the type of snake.

because, like I said, unfortunately, I couldn't find an article that. I think I don't know if they really know because, like, she didn't take a picture. She didn't have the snake. So, yeah, it'd probably be pretty hard to tell. But yeah, pretty, I don't know. You should for sure call for help. But on the other hand, like, if I felt pretty confident, I wasn't bitten, I could, like, see where my brain would kind of go the same way as hers did. I'll just go to a public place.

They'll be able to, like, get me help if I need it. And make sure I don't start feeling any symptoms type of thing, you know? Well, especially here, I don't know how their health care system works, but, like, in the U.S., I do everything I can to avoid calling emergency services because it's like, oh, do I want to be in debt for the next 20 years, you know? So, yeah. I don't feel confident even inside my own home walking around without. socks on at least.

Really? I love going barefoot. Walking around barefoot is just the scariest proposition to me. Huh. Every step is just... Like it scares you. Yeah. Like at a pool, it's the fewer steps I have to take to get into the water the better.

I was just always in mindful of stepping on something like a Lego. Yeah, I like going barefoot. Like a bomb. That would suck. That would suck, dude. Unless you have shoes on. Right. Or socks.

Yeah. Like steel toad. boots the socks brett's hat yeah the spider silk that's a

subscriber subscriber only joke yeah yeah that's why I have yeah I also have a story but is that that's a coincidence that's crazy

so it's always the guys you expect the least right which I actually don't believe most medium expect from Dwight's root I think that It's actually pretty good. Okay.

Well, this was reported October 30th of this year by Yahoo News is where I got most of this info from. Recently, Brinson Swimmers in the Marathi Beach in Greece, at the Marathi Beach in Greece, who've been reporting an incident that raised a few eyebrows from the locals, since it's not every day that you hear about a sea turtle biting someone so badly that they feel like they might faint. Right? At least not my world. It's in Greece. they're going to be like really thick, beautiful eyebrows that are getting raised too.

I know. Yeah. Gosh. Is that true? I'd kill for that. Have you ever seen a kind of eyebrows, mine? A Grecian eyebrow? Oh.

I can't. I don't know. I know. I know. I know. I know. Sometimes I do, I get remarks on my eyebrows and it's like you guys, you haven't seen anything yet.

Go to Greece is what I'm always saying back to them. Sure. So wait. So, wait. So, wait. So, what? A turtle. Sea turtle.

Okay. Like, I think just a green sea turtle. according to Zarpah News the woman who was bit was in the shallow it's so Greek it's awesome Zarpah Zarpah news

she was in the shallows just a few feet off the beach just in a very shallow part of the ocean when she was attacked and bitten by the turtle sustaining injuries on her quote bottom

oh her bum her bum so here's the thing though so half of the articles called it her rump and half of them called her thigh and I just wondered

you guys what's the word do you differ differentiate on those two things. Is it the same thing to you? For me, it's... No. Once the bubble of the butt comes out, it's rump. Right.

Yeah. I think that's pretty clear. Anything below that's thigh. Yeah. And then ass. Ass is also... Ass and rump are the same. Yeah, they're the same.

Unless you're eating ass. Like this turtle. Right. Yeah. This turtle was eaten ass. But, like, literally, yeah. But butt is legs we've established. But is, sure.

his legs. Yeah, we talked about that before, but his legs. So, the woman who was... Like, calf is legs. Thigh is legs. Feet? Would you consider feet legs? Feet his legs? Is your dong your legs? Yeah. Your dong is your legs? I wasn't, I was answering Mike. Okay. I was surprised.

What is your dong then? It's like in the middle of your legs in your waist. Midsection. That's what they always say in basketball. It's like, ooh, a shot to the midsection. It's like, no, it was just his balls is what happened. His balls happened. I never know exactly what they mean when they say midsection. Because sometimes it is just a gut punch, you know. Right. They should say groin. That's great.

You should just say penis. That's the medical term. Yeah. Yeah. Peter. That was our term growing up. Okay. Well, anyway, so this woman, she was identified only by her initials, which are KB.

Though it could be anyone. That could be anyone. Kobe Bryant. Kobe Bryant. He's dead, though. Who knows? Maybe he's living in Greece, getting his assing by turtles. Yeah, maybe he just was tired of the limelight.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, it could have been, well, it was a woman. So maybe, I don't know, maybe he changed his identity to remain anonymous. So the bite victim, KB, discussed how eventually the bite had led to an infection, which led to her being hospitalized. And you've worked with turtles, like sea turtles in the past, right?

I've got a bit by a sea turtle. Are they chompy? Yeah, they're very chompy. Especially out of the water, for me, in my experience. Yeah, they can be pretty chompy. Yeah, for sure. And it's like a, I mean, they all have different physiology, but these turtles have a kind of a beak, right,

that is more like a piercing more so than like that. And pretty much all sea turtles have that. But there's a fair amount of pressure in there. When I got baited split all along the lines of the beak, like the edges. But they, I mean, you know, when I say they're chompy, like obviously every day there are thousands of interactions between people and sea turtles where people don't get bit you know but like it's not like it's unheard of they do they do bite

and that's mainly to help them if a shark ever grabs them yeah they i mean it's like yeah it's their only defense sure thank you i mean that's not wrong necessarily yeah i think they're probably mostly for like eating food right i mean they get mostly they're but like bite Defensively, it would be for like if a shark got him or something got him. They would turn and try and bite it. He's not wrong. What are humans' mouth, mouths most used for? Fighting.

Yeah, talking. Sure, it's talking. Breathing. If a shark grabs us. Yeah. Fighting sharks. Okay. Well, something I thought this is a little interesting to take note of is that unlike other

marine attacks, and it's kind of common sense when you think about this for more than a couple seconds, but the experts were saying, unlike in shark attacks where you don't want to make a lot of commotion in the water, because that'll attract those kinds of predators or, you know, sea life, you'll want to get big and kind of flail around violently to scare these turtles off, which makes sense because, you know, they're not quite in the same league. The difference is like with sharks, you don't want to provoke them to come in and attack you in like a predatory way or a territorial way. And like that's what their prey does is splashes is around a lot. But like with turtles, they're not trying to feed on you. Like, they're either

being defensive or aggressive. So you're just trying to discourage it. So it makes sense you would splash and make a lot of commotion. One of these experts named Demetris Fittalus, I believe is how it's pronounced. He explained that turtles can actually come to associate humans with being rivals for their food sources. So they'll approach you and try to chase you off. And it's kind of interesting to think of turtles seeing a human as a kind of a competitor almost under the water. That is interesting. That imagery. Because they're mostly just eating like sea grass and algae.

So that's pretty strange that they would see us as, man, they're dumb. They're good at break dancing, though. Yeah. Turtles? Oh, yeah. They are. Of course they are. That's true.

Kind. Go, ninja. Go. Go, go. Yeah. They got one move. Yeah. But they're so good at.

And they can't really get out of it. After they interviewed this KV person, did she, like, step back and hit a fadeaway jumper from, like, beyond the ark? She broke out into a live rendition of cloudbusting. I was really curious. Who's that? Running Kate Bush. Oh, Kate Bush. It's her best song.

Anyway, that's it for the story. So one final note, I guess. Actually, I lied. I misled you. Not intentionally. I didn't mean to do that. I'm not done yet, Jeff. Stop.

Okay. But these bites, this infection that KB sustained, they can be fatal if you leave them untreated. And it really was just one of the most painful things she had ever experienced. So just, you know, we are an animal attack podcast. So as much pain as we can invoke into the conversation, the better, right? Pain and death. We wanted those going details. A couple times now, turtles have eaten someone's ass.

Yeah. They love it. All right. Like Mike. Yeah. Just like Mike. I love it. I wish, dude.

It's been so long. I could. Just because it's... Just because it's been a long time doesn't mean you can't love it. All right. I'm going to give us a pause to reconnect. And then I'm going to talk about one more sad one. That'll bring us down.

Yeah, I'm appropriately bad now. Okay. This is just a quick. one, but one that a couple people sent to us. A very prominent kite surfer in South Africa was reported missing on September 7th. Where do you guys think this is going? Kite surfing. South Africa, kite surfer reported missing.

Shark. You'd think a shark. You know, you hear South Africa and someone going missing in the ocean on an animal attack podcast. You'd think a shark, but it's not. After he went missing, a very large search was launched. His board and his kite were located at sea on September 8th. And then his body was recovered not long after.

Initial reports showed that it was probably just a simple tragic drowning. But then authorities went over all of the evidence in October, and a different picture started emerging. Based on damages to his equipment and some video footage that had survived this tragedy, the prevailing theory now is that this guy, Graham Howes, had been kiteboarding with a pot of whales near Cape Town when one of these animals breached from the water, struck him with over a ton of force

immediately knocking him out and he drowned to death. Wow. Jeez. Yeah. So at least, I mean, you know, if this is any consolation, it would be a very quick, peaceful way to die. One minute you'd just be kite surfing and the next minute, you're dead, you know? Sure.

Because you would just get knocked out and drown. Like, I don't know, do people wake up when they're drowning? I don't know. If you're knocked out from a whale. Stop drowning when they wake up. Yeah. Okay. Anyway.

Yeah. That's what they think happened. So I'm guessing what they have to have is some video that he shot of like whales next to him. And it was like, you know, they can place it close to the time that he drowned or something. But apparently this was like the guy when it came to the kiteboarding community and scene in South Africa. In South Africa, there's been like a ton of nice tributes about him. he seemed like he was a really influential person in that community and had started a lot of different clubs and all sorts of stuff for it.

So he's very missed. There's some very touching tributes to him. But kind of a crazy way to go, you know? Yeah. It's how much power those whales have just a simple flick of the tail. You know, it's really a sobering thought. There's a few videos. I think one's in South Africa where you see them.

breach and land on a boat and just like demolish it. So yeah, they're huge animals that need to be respected. So RIP. Yeah. Yeah. All right. That's all I got this week. I think I'm lucky.

It's not a bear or you would kill it. I wouldn't. But if it fed on him, then I would say, oh, that's probably a bear you got to get rid of. I'm just messing with you. Oh, I know. Make a lot of sense. with the bear stuff. You know, you know.

I have a couple of headlines. So on October 28th, I don't know if you guys saw this, but a truck transporting monkeys from Tulane University crashed. I think I did see this. And these were highly aggressive monkeys, too. And they were doing medical tests on them, too. Yeah, so they had, yeah, they had, uh, Hepatitis C, herpes, and COVID.

And they were just like very aggressive monkeys. All at the same time. And I was looking and it said one of the macaques is still like on the loose. And then I looked into that and they are like actually three are. Like actually all of them are. And I think they're trying to keep it as hush hush as possible. Because I think a lot of people are just kind of like, that's kind of dumbed you gave monkeys, herpes, hepatitis, and COVID, you know? Yeah.

So we're going to have like COVID-25 coming out pretty soon. Yeah, probably. Everyone's going to blame it on China. And I guess like this type of macaque, I forget what type it is. It's like dirt. What was it? Rhesus? Dirt macaan.

Yeah, Rhesus. Yeah. Rees is macawks. That's what they should use. 93% DNA with humans, so I think they... It's not hard to pass diseases then. I think they get pretty fracked over as far as medical experimentation goes. Yeah.

I think we've been using them for a while to test different things. You know what? Kind of sucks. Yeah. Stop fooling around with macaques for a little bit, everyone out there. Yeah. And then... Let's give it till next year.

What if there was a scientist out there that was just... Just about to with him a cock, and then he heard that mic and put his instruments down. Yeah. Spread the word. People need to know about tooth and claw we're saving lives. There is another sea otter that was kicking people off of surfboards in Santa Cruz. There was some gray wolves in California that were just killed for killing 70 farm animals. I feel like California doesn't have a lot of gray wolves, right?

They don't. No. And it was over time, too, because, like, gray wolves could do that in a single night if they really wanted to. This was over a matter of weeks, and they finally got rid of them. But, yeah, I don't know. I don't know how you feel about that one. Put it on their flag. Yeah.

Gray wolves. That flag. Yeah. Wolves, bears. Put them all on there. Well, that's all I got. All right. Should we go to categories?

Let's do it. We should. Okay. I will lead our categories. today. So this one, I just was curious you guys take best and worst AI videos you've seen. I can start us off there. There was one I kind of liked, whereas just like people scrubbing barnacles off of whales,

like these shifts that looked like they were designed to scrub, and these whales would just have like way too many barnacles, and then they would just clean them all off. And it's just like, I like power washing videos. Like, I've watched so many power washing videos. So it's kind of like that same thing a little bit. And then there's been some, like, kind of funny Pixar movie type ones recently that sometimes they're dumb and sometimes it's like, that's kind of funny. Like, AI is making jokes that we can't make because we get in trouble.

It's a weird thing. Yeah, it is weird. Jeff extolling the virtues of AI because they get to make it cancelable and then there was one there's one that's like I think I mean obviously this was always coming but there's a really scary one Neil de Gras

Tyson like the is that how you say his name? Yeah astrophysicist. Yeah he I just watched one where like it's him saying like, you know what, after like going over all this footage or satellites and all this data we have, I've come to the occlusion. The world might actually be flat. And then the video pans out to him actually there.

He's like, this is a video that people are sharing and that's kind of a problem. It is a problem. It's already breaking people's brains. I want to preface mine. my answer to this question by saying I'm pretty anti-AI and when I say pretty like I mean very I think it's

especially when it comes to making like videos art photos anything generative that's that we use human emotion and human soul to make even if it's like dumb videos I really really really dislike it so I don't have a single video so blatantly like

copyright steal too. It's just they're getting away with it. That's literally what it is. It just steals other people's Yeah, and then just regurgent works of art. Yeah. And yeah like it can't create art on its own. It is just going off of what is already in existence. So you know, I'm kind of mansplaining. I was obnoxious. Sorry. We've we've talked about this before, but like I could get chat GPT and say, hey, tell me a story in the in the, in the, like, tone of tooth and the claw podcast about this incident and probably.

save myself, you know, 10 hours of work every week. But I'm not going to do that because I really distrust AI. I don't like AI. So my favorite video is going to be, I'm just going to say a recent one I saw where it was like trying to recreate a sitcom from the 90s. And it was this really disturbing, uncanny Valley, like friends knockoff where people were like replicating themselves and just, it was so strange to watch. and the reason that's my favorite is because I don't see how anyone can watch that and think,

oh, this is a good thing we got going here. You know, like, this thing is going to really change. And I know it's developing and becoming better and better, but still. Right. My least favorite is any animal AI video because I get sent a lot of them. And I am so tired of having to tell people that they're sending me an AI video. See, my favorite one, actually, they're the ones that there's like, like a drone drone footage above the Amazon River and then there's just this snake that takes up the entire

that's like it's kind of funny when people it's funny it's funny right that's funny and it's a problem but it's like maybe these people are too dumb to we should revoke their right to use the internet maybe doesn't it kind of make you want to die when you click on the comments and you just see like 30 of people being like that's crazy that's the biggest snake I've ever seen yeah I think it's kind of funny that Hank from pardon might take like the biggest sports podcast there was fell for that particular video and the whale crazy yeah i think i think though like on a more like slightly more serious no i know i've already kind of been a downer about this but like with animals the the thing that scares me is you see these videos that are AI of people doing really dangerous things around

animals and then people think that's real and they think they can get away with that or things that are like bad for the animals or whatever and so for me it it's it's already bad that you have real videos of people doing that and now that we have like tons of fake videos of people doing it it's just like a flood of terrible animal information that's going out in the world so it yeah I don't know the golden retriever scuba diving was pretty good that's pretty you got to admit that's The rabbits on the traveling. I will not admit it. No, my worst one...

Yeah. Yeah, so I think Wes even brought this up somewhat fairly recently, but one of my favorite old movies is Jason the Argonauts, and there's this really awesome scene where there's these skeletons

pop up out of the ground and start attacking the heroes group. And it's just the most intricately staged and choreographed stop motion. And like, there's a whole... I mean, whole documentaries have been made about this specific scene. And then someone on the internet's just like, hey, look what I did to update this old movie

using AI. Isn't it so much better? And it was just like removed all of the magic, removed all of the charm. And it was just like, it looked worse. It looked bad. I just, there's something about it that it was so infuriating to me. That's the other thing. Yeah. People in the comments were just like, oh my gosh, this is a miracle. And it's like, no, it's not. This is like we're, this is, we're going towards hell looking at this That's the other thing that's so frustrating for me is it's like always these tech bros that are like look what I made

look how amazing this is and it's like it looks like horseshit man that looks terrible you know but then there's 30 like 300 other people saying all this incredible like what prompt did you use you know? Makes me need to go lay down me too like the last real

genuine human art we got was the bored apes pretty much the board apes it's all been down hell since board ape club or whatever oh I'm so glad you said that

because that's what my one of my favorite headlines of the month was which is one of our other categories yeah favorite so yeah favorite non-animal headline of just recently I have two because one of them is kind of animals

because it's about the board apes which if you don't know what this is a while ago when they were doing NFTs when NFT was like the huge thing and everyone was buying NFTs, which are non-fungible tokens. It's essentially like you own the digital footprint of a piece of art. It's the dumbest thing. And a lot of people knew it was dumb, but some people didn't. And the biggest one were the bored apes, I think, and people were paying hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars for these things.

And I saw a headline this month of this guy who had bought one for $400 something thousand dollars. and he had just sold it for $37,000 and the headline was all about how he thought that he still got his money's worth because he got to be yeah he got to be like part of the apes community and it was like the biggest piece of cope that I've ever read in my entire life

and he's tattooed with like all these board ape tattoos and stuff and then it ended with like apes till I die or something I can't remember what it was but it was just like, come on man. We're all looking for a place to be on that one. I remember, I'll always remember, like, being at a jazz game, and there is, I think Rudy Gobert, like, on the jazz, whatever, he was important to their winning,

but, like, he was just always, like, kind of boring. Yeah. And there's this game where he dunked it with two hands, and the guy next to me is like, I'm buying that. I was like, what? He's like, yeah, no, there's this app you can like buy when a player like does something cool and then you're the only one that owns that video. I was like, sure, but I can still just get that video from online. Yeah, yeah, but like not with this company.

And that's where I was kind of like, man. It was the biggest like snake oil thing ever. The tweet that I- IP or whatever. Go ahead, Mike. Crazy. No, it's just, I had an employee who was just lamenting the fact that all of his NFTs lost value and he was just not making any money off of this. And after five minutes of complaining about it, he came to the realization. He just said to himself, I just got to buy more expensive ones, I think. It's like, no. That's not the conclusion. You were, you were headed in the right direction. We didn't quite get there. I remember when the apes thing was going crazy There was someone who had his stolen

And he tweeted my apes, they're gone And it was just like a tweet I think about all the time That's just such a weird snapshot in the middle of like A collective psychosis You know But A heart goes out to him Yeah

Are you to your other one or should we all? Yeah The other one is really quick But do you guys know much about Lily Allen and David Harbor? Oh, yeah. I mean, not a lot, but I know they were there. Yeah. Yeah, so they got married a few years ago.

And Lily Allen, then they got divorced. And Lily Allen just released an album. And like every track is about him and how bad he is. There's like a track called, there's a track called Pussy Palace that's all about how he turned their apartment into just like a sex den and how she had to pick up like all these sex toys and stuff from other women. It's just like the entire album what the is just them her airing all of their dirty laundry that's great and it's pretty crazy so that was a wild headline from the month yeah um okay my go Jeff okay I got it so this is the

headline John Wu's Hong Kong classic has been rescued and restored in 4k you guys know John Wu we're talking about hard-boiled here because for a long time we thought the original prints of this movie were just like they were lost to time. No one knew where they were. And then they got discovered, but it started getting tangled up in these, the people that owned the rights had no interest in distributing them to the public. So all we had were just like low quality, low resolution releases or boo legs.

But we're here. It's time. We're getting a physical 4K disc release of one of my 15 favorite movies ever, top 20 movie for me. Man, I'm so excited. Hard boiled? Hard boiled, yeah. And a bunch of his other stuff, like, yeah. I saw a headline from one of his movies this month about Mission Impossible 2.

There's like the scene where the knife is right next to Tom Cruise's eye and he's like doing the wrestling thing. And like it's been done a ton, but I feel like that was an earlier one where they did that. And apparently Tom Cruise insisted it be a real knife. Really? Really? Oh my gosh. That's crazy. That's got so, it was like brushing his eyelashes.

Yeah. Mine was that the show ridiculousness got canceled. Really? It used to be like all MTV shows. After 15, it is still. Yeah. After 15 seasons, it's getting canceled. So, I don't know, like I grew up on MTV, just all their stupid dating shows, the challenge, the real world, road rules.

Like, I ate up in the MTV content, music videos. So it's turned into just a channel of ridiculousness, and now that they're getting rid of that, I'm just like, what is MTV going to be? It's got to just be done, right? Is it dead? I have to go rescue a horse real quick. Kevin's getting harassed.

You guys keep going. Yeah, we'll cover. Keep talking. Well, I mean, the next one's overrated, so if you have a couple of rated things. I have, I do actually have a couple that I wanted to, I have an overrated one than a couple underrated. Okay. Well, this one actually, this one's not going to be that interesting to West, but one of my things

that I think have always thought was underrated. So in the Super Nintendo link to the past legend of Zelda game, it's always been a little bit of a sore spot for fans of the series that that link had pink hair. And I've always thought it was like actually a really cool detail. And I was like, it makes them so unique. And I think it actually looks really cool. make some just like a distinct sprite on the screen. I was like,

Jeff's got pink hair now. We got to talk about this because I just think generally now pink hair is cool. It turns out in the real world it's cool too, not just video games. Hey, I'm glad. I've been loving it. The first week I had some real anxiety going out in public. Not that I thought it looked bad. It was just like I didn't want to stand out,

which is like a weird thing to say for someone who just died their hair pink. Right. But now I've gotten over that. people talk to you about it? Do they approach you and ask you? Yeah, and like the gas station, a block away from me where I like get snacks and drinks like almost daily. Half their employees have colored hair. Yeah. So it's kind of like they feel like they can just strike up conversation with me now, which is a little annoying. It is kind of like, yeah, but you're like part of a club, which is a cool. Yeah. And I'll like call them twin and stuff. Yeah. I just, I've always thought it was

really dumb how like basically every content creator that talks about Zelda and there's a lot of them that do it for like literally that's their job is to like make Zelda videos on YouTube they all hate the pink hair on link and it's like why why it's like kind of cool to me it always has

just like one time yeah yeah Jeff looks cool especially now that it's growing out a little bit too the roots are a little yeah look sweet do you have like an athlete right now who you think's the most overrated is Jalen Hurts? That's kind of going to be that guy for me.

Oh, I think he's underrated. I think he's like as good as any quarterback. Really? Is he passing better? Because the first, like, few games, he just wasn't even throwing the ball at all. Yeah. They didn't bring me.

Yeah. He has, like, yeah, he has some of the most passing guards. I'll go with Austin Reeves. I think I might go Anthony Edwards. Like, I think he's really good, but not like the next face of the league. Sure. Yeah.

I think that's fair. Like, I think he's like Donovan Mitchell type player. Mm-hmm. Okay. All right, Wes. Yeah. We'll go into a category now. You're here.

That was just us fail in space, but it's an overrated thing. I got to tell you what was just happening. So we have three horses. We have Guapo who's older, itchy who's really new. And then Kev, who's really older and tiny. And Kev has been sick for a while and probably not going to last too much longer. And Itchy was just like kicking him. and jumping on him and like making him run all over and his feet are very tender so I had to run out and

separate him. Oh man. Yeah. Poor little guy. He's limping around now. All right, Kevin. Yeah. Anyway, uh, overrated.

Is that what it is? Something overrated? Yes. Kevin. I'm going to go ahead and say one that's going to be a little. Uh, yeah. Itchy's beautiful, but he is kind of a handful. Uh, something a little controversial that a lot of people aren't going to agree with me on.

and that's that I think soup is overrated. Oh, wow. Yeah. What the heck? I disagree. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it's rare that I get soup that I'm just, that I really like it.

And it usually fills me up enough that I don't want ever, I don't want whatever comes next. So I don't really like it as like an entree. And then for a meal, it's not filling enough for me, if that makes sense. Okay. It doesn't. I know I'm kind of contradicting myself there. No, I get what you're saying. Yeah.

Like a salad before your meal, it doesn't ruin your meal coming up. But a soup, you get too full. Yeah. And I think if I'm really cold, I would rather just have like a hot beverage than a hot soup. Okay. But I do like certain soups. And I tend to like thicker soups, like a potato soup or a split pea soup or something like that, a creamier soup. But I'm not a huge soup guy.

I'm not a big soup guy. All right. I'm not a big any guy. You're a little guy. Smaller. I'm on the smaller side. You're like a little soup guy. I wouldn't say that's a little.

One, I think you found one most people would disagree with, which is like kind of the good way to do it. I went with Jake from State Farm. Just like, I don't think he's ever really had a good moment. Like the original Jake's commercial is funny. Yeah.

It's kind of like how did that, how did it last this long? Why do we still have this? Like, like Flo has had a couple commercials make me laugh. I don't think Jake ever has. Yeah. The first guy wasn't an actor.

He was like an actual state farm employee that they just used for that one commercial. And the joke was funny. Okay. His khaki pants. That was funny. I mean, I don't have anything against Jake now. But I just think he's riding maybe. Yeah, he needs a better writing room.

I'm glad that guy's like getting his bag, you know? Sure. Me and Mike saw him. Yeah. We did, yeah. At a Chargers game. Everyone's going crazy. That is like a really nice celebrity to get a photo with or something.

You know what? I hope he never gets fired because everyone recognizes him. So like he has like that celebrity thing where people want pictures with him. But then he doesn't get like the benefits of being a celebrity really. Like if he got fired and just had to take pictures with everyone and couldn't go in public. Like it's just Jake from State 5. And he's not going to get like other gigs like that. Yeah.

Huh. All right. Oh, Mike, do you have one? I say this is going to piss a lot of people off too, but I think crossbows are overrated. Yeah, I'm with you there. Yeah. Like real bow and arrows are so much cooler than crossbows.

So much, they're like beautiful and elegant and like way cooler. I just get a gun if you're going to get a crossbow. That's the thing. You have to like, it takes like 10 minutes to reload them and you have to step on it and pull the thing back. And it's like not that. I don't think it's even much stronger than a bow at all. Might not even be as strong.

Yeah, they're just like a noob weapon, you know? You got to train for forever to be awesome. Before guns were like a big thing, that's when crossbows were cool. Yeah. They shoot bolts. Which is done. Yeah, call them an arrow. I don't know.

You're trying to be special calling them a bolt. Like in Game of Thrones having a crossbow, it's like, yeah, that's kind of cool. Like, Joffrey. That guy was cool. No, that's what I'm saying. It was still like the cowards that use them in Game of Thrones. Yeah. Bows are cool.

I'm saying though it made sense then. Now it doesn't really make sense because you could have a gun. I mean, that doesn't make sense to really use a bow and arrow either, does it? I guess hunters. It's more traditional feeling than a crossbow. Exactly. With zombies, it makes sense. Because the gun makes a lot of noise and brings in more.

So a crossbow, it's like you don't make any noise, you kill them. It's better than bow and arrow. Yeah. Darrell has a crossbow. He's pretty quick with it. There's this video of this guy online that I don't know his name, but it's this trick, bow and arrow guy. It's the most incredible video I've ever seen in my entire life, where this guy can shoot so

fast and so accurately with this bow, it absolutely blew me away. So look it up sometime because it makes you think like... I'm going to make AI make it like 20% faster. Don't do it. I'm sure it already exists, but man, it is so cool. So look it up. My video gets so many views when I make it just a little bit faster even. Best recent animal you've seen in two, TV, movies, or pop culture? I had, I told West to watch invasion of the body snatchers recently, and there's a dog that gets a human face on it, in it. Yeah, it parts, it's so cool. That part is cool.

And it, like, runs out. And it's weird because it looks, like, super realistic somehow. I think it was just a mask that they put over the head of a dog. But there's this shot where its tongue flicks out of the mouth, and it looks really just oddly realistic to me. Yeah. And it's just like my favorite part. of that movie unless he neglected to even bring it up when we talked about the movies i know it's great uh we just watched good boy which is about a dog that's like seeing ghosts and it features like a pretty

singular performance by a dog i just and the dog was so cute it just was a dog that i just wanted to like take into my house because he's going through all this terrible stuff and i just wanted him to like be happy but uh i i really liked that dog in that movie so that your house has ghosts it might but my house is a great spot for a dog yeah i'm gonna go with eagley from uh peacemaker peacemaker peacemaker yeah piecemaker uh it's just a sweet sidekick animal to have you know so and shout out them they use the right like animal noises for a bald eagle they didn't use the red tail hawk yeah There you go. Nice job.

Good work, peacemaker. James Gunn. All right. John Cena. You think that as a John Cena moment? He was like, hey, guys. I think he made the call. He was like, no, we got to have a real eagle noise, real ball.

I have some listener questions. From hi, Liz-Aze. Is Jeff actually a huge gun guy, or is that a bit? No. I mean, you ask me any type of gun, Wes. He'll say it. Ask me any type A big one

Big gun, bazooka Yeah There we go He's got it Mike asked me any type of gun Yeah A little gun A little gun

Um A A Magnum's a big Like a P7 Like he took it But this is the kind of expertise

You can expect out of He wants to be Little purse Gun A little gun in your purse Yeah Right See

Right Yeah Purs gun Okay. He's got it like that. He's got it just right at the top of his brain. That should answer your question. Yeah.

Heather XXS asks, what's one thing you'll never do again? Well, that's the Panda Express. Yeah, honestly. Yeah. We know how he feels about it. Danielle T. She just got really sick from it. Probably never be religious again.

Oh, wow. I think I'm never going to bungee jump ever again. Oh. I was really feeling torn in two directions. when we were we went bungee jumping off this really big bridge physically yeah um but we went off I don't know how how high that it was like 300 something yeah it was really it was a big one and I was like well I'm either I've done about as big as I'll ever do it or I'll just need to like really commit and become like serious about bungee jumping because it was fun but I don't think I'm

ever going to have a better opportunity than that one so I was like I think I've done just reached my peak as a bungee jumper off that bridge. It really hurt me. Like they put it on my shins instead of my ankles, and it's just like so much pressure on my shins. Yeah. It wasn't nearly as fun as this swing that they were doing off the bridge. Yeah.

Man, the swing looked so much more pleasant. Yeah. No, that's good. What's something I'll never do again? I don't know. This was your category. It's not a category. It's a listener question.

Oh, listener question. Like Elvis Costello. I gave you years, right? Did you say one, Wes? I said probably never be religious again. Oh, yeah. I mean, I could take that one. Good.

You'll never try meth again, right? After that one after the incident. I love that. Never watch paranormal. I guess Adderall is kind of, yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't. Maybe, damn. I'm sorry, I'm blanking, guys.

Can I do that? I never do a normal activity. Elementary school. I hope. I hope you never go back. One of those. All right. Becca's Killen, asks,

is there any animal you would suggest not using bear spray on? I carry it hiking everywhere. No. Like your pet lizard? There's definitely animals that, yeah. Actually, you know, a rattlesnake. Don't use it on a rattlesnake.

That's the one I would suggest. Or a shark. Sure. Or one of those dogs that like a comfort support dog. Yeah, don't use it on someone's dog unless it's a tactic. Like on the airplane? It works pretty well on all mammals. There's some mammals that it's going to be less effective, like probably a bison.

It's not going to be as effective, but it would probably still work. But I wouldn't use it on any reptiles or any fish. I don't think I'll ever share a room again. Like as a roommate shared room. That's a good answer. I won't ever find your wife. As a roommate. I wouldn't call wife a roommate.

But you know, if my wife was on board for like the separate bedrooms thing, I'd be so happy. It's not a bad idea. Yeah. I like sleeping alone. Yeah, I do too. But there are nights where it's just like so nice to go up next to someone else. That's someone being Jesse. Emerson asks, will you all ever come to New Zealand?

Mike? Hey. I would, I mean, I've been once now and I'd love to go back. It was an amazing place. I had a great time. I was only there for like three days. The Shireton. The Shireton.

The Shireton. Hobbiton. Shireton. Shireton. I went to the Green Dragon and I had a pint and a big old scone. I really want to go. You know what? I'm not like too interested in New Zealand outside of that, but I really want to see all of the

There's not like too much wildlife. It seems interesting. Yeah. It just really feels a lot like Montana, you know? It doesn't feel that different. But I do really want to go there. No way. But you love Montana.

It has nothing compared to Milford sound. Sure. Milford sound. It is a great name. You got nothing like that. Yeah. It'd be a good like kayaking, fly fishing place. It would.

But so is Montana. I love the people there. There is some of the most pleasant people I've ever interacted with. Yeah. Every New Zeander I've met has been really nice. Mediocre magic wants to ask, what's the best roller coaster ride you've ever been on? Mine honestly might be cannibal at Lagoon.

Cannibal and Buffalo Bills for me. And Buffalo Bills is out of order forever. I forget there were two in Bush Gardens in Florida. That place was just like the best to go when I was little. But they had two, there was an Egyptian-themed one, and then one called, I think, Black Panther or something, Cougar, Puma. I don't know. One of those two.

I'll go with the Egyptian one. I like that one so much. I'd forced my dad to buy me like a little Egyptian rod, like one of those ritual, like a wooden rod thing. This was two years ago. I still have it. Yeah. Yeah.

Two years ago. Shut out, dad. Man. I'm interested what you guys think of this one. Elijah Moe asks, when have you been the most proud of yourself in your life? life. There's this one time we were in an airport in India, and I really kept my cool in a situation

that really... That's crazy. I didn't even say anything to that guy, Jeff. Not a word to him. Maybe when the Nat Geo article came out, or when we were on This American Life, those were two times that I was very proud. But honestly, and like this is going to sound like kind of a simpering answer, but like getting messages from people saying.

saying that their kids want to be wildlife biologists or look up to us or have like decided that they really care about the natural world because of our show is always fills me with like a really big sense of pride. So that's that's up there for me. Someone recently told me I was there Steve Irwin and it like really hit. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. So that's sort of thing. Yeah. Someone wrote me and said like I never even responded to him. I'm sorry. I hope they're listening. But they said I was like the funniest person to them of like any person, even like comedians. And that was like, I was pretty nice. It's really nice. Yeah. I find there's whenever, and it's rare, I think, to have moments of genuine altruism when you do something good for somebody else

for the right reasons. And it's those moments where you look back on like volunteering on a random weekend to help somebody move or like work in a food kitchen or something like that's just something I'll never ever regret and it's kind of weird to like look back on those and feel proud of myself like man I'm such an awesome and good person but like I don't know it I guess that is kind of what I'm feeling in a way but just a really like the sense of like I'm contributing to humanity I'm not just like a leech you know yeah you should be when you beat that video game where you had to swim through the spikes oh Alex kid and Miratirah World.

Oh, okay. The very end of Alex Kid. Who were you playing that with? Brent. We played that game for like 72 hours straight, trying to get through that little water part. Maybe when we beat the Dallas Mavericks in NBA Jam, that was like, that took a long time. I'm the only person I've ever met that's beat the game Battletoads.

I'm pretty proud of myself for that. I honestly, like, I am impressed. proud of you for that, but I don't believe you. I don't believe anyone's ever beaten that. I can tell you what the last level looks like right now. It's the spinning tower that you have to get up and you attack the woman with the boobs. Yeah. Yeah.

Rack. Huge. I beat it. I think that does it. That's amazing. The biggest accomplishment anyone's ever. Whatever. Yeah.

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