Tooth & Claw: True Stories of Animal Attacks - Wolf Attack - The Worst Way to Wake Up

Episode Date: October 12, 2026

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I really froze there. I'm Mitch McConnell. Welcome back to Tooth and Claw podcast. This is a wildlife podcast where we love animals. Well, two of us love animals, and one of us kind of does. and we talk about him. We talk about a lot of encounters with dangerous animals. People die, people survive, and that's us.

But, yeah, that's exactly. Show me where he was wrong, Wes. Show me where he was wrong. If this is your first time listening the show, we do talk about animal attacks, but we try and do the animals justice. The media tends to demonize him, and we're not all about that. But it is scary season. It's spooky season, you two.

So we will demonize them. No, but we tend to lean into the spookier aspects of our subject matter this month. To me, humans are the spookiest animals. Oh, that's crazy, dude. You should have that to your new bio on your Instagram. That's how much I love animals. Yep. So this month is.

It's going to be our first of a few episodes that are dedicated to kind of the spookier things of the world. And I kind of always have a hard time figuring out what to do. Like it was easy on our first years to pick like vampire bats and like werewolves and stuff. Yeah. What would be like that? If you're to change Mount Rushmore into spooky animals, what would you choose for the four? Vampire bats are on there Dracula's

Dracula Let's not forget him I would probably put leeches in there for me personally Centipedes And the worms in RFK's brain maybe Yeah And those brain worms

I think I'd have a shark A shark Which shark I'd have a shark A black widow A vampire bat And Zombie

frog I ran out of Steve Matt Deanne very curious a Dracula a zombie Mitch McConnell No who had the worms One of those guys had worms No that's RFK

Yeah And Epstein They all got worms We all probably have worms Well Today we're not going to talk about any of those things We're going to talk about Dracula's best friend

Oh Mike did say Dracula actually Yep. Not his best friend, but I was close. What animals do you guys associate with Dracula? Bats. Bats. Wuffs. Wolves. Really?

Yes. Why a wolf? So that's a surprising thing. The Carpathian Mountains. When you read the original, yeah, the original text of Bram Stoker's Dracula, there are dozens of mentions of wolves. There's really just one mention of bats. There's a scene where Dracula does turn into a bat. and he flies in a straight line, which is like a very interesting detail.

But there are lots and lots of mention of wolves, both wild wolves that Dracula can control, and then he also can turn into a wolf. Dracula is kind of a werewolf. So that saying should really be as Dracula's bat flies instead of as the crow flies, right? We're changing it to that. Well, and then that makes it, like, so much easier you don't have to pick between Jacob and Edward. It can just be the same. Good point.

Yeah. And I do think, I've thought about this a bit, and I'm not sure. So you cryptid people can get at me with this, but it feels like the difference is a werewolf can't control their transformation, but Dracula can. So technically he's not a werewolf. He's more of like a shapeshifter, but he does shape shift into like a man. wolf sometimes. I'm pretty sure Jacob can control it. That's true. I think Jacob can control it.

So is he even a werewolf? I don't know. In the books, I heard that the werewolves, they tie their pants to their leg so they don't lose them when they transform. And then when they turn back, they have pants on their leg again. That's what I've heard. I don't know if that's true. Yeah, that would be smart, right?

That'd be like what the Hulk should do because I don't go. You're going through a lot of clothes. No, Hulk's, his pants change with him. They're like wear pants. They expand a lot. Yeah. He probably just wears like spandex. Super stretchy spandex.

Yeah, but I guess, yeah. All right. So in the text, Dracula has a real fondness for wolves. He lovingly calls them the children of the night. And later in the book, he demonstrates that he can make packs of wolves do his bidding. So I do think when we think of wolves and Halloween, most people think of werewolves, but there's actually a lot of crossover with vampires as well,

or at least the biggest and baddest vampire. So like we just mentioned in a lot of modern movies, vampires and werewolves are kind of shown to be each other's biggest enemies, like Twilight and the underworld. But I really want to reiterate that the text that brought vampires to the Western world, like Dracula, wolves and Dracula are pretty tight. Cool.

So this relationship's pretty evident in my all-time favorite vampire movie, which is Bram Stoker's Dracula, directed by Francis Ford Coppola. There's several scenes with wolves that do Dracula's bidding. There's a scene where he turns into a giant werewolf and eats a young bride. That redhead, right? Yeah, yeah. And there's a scene where him and an like escaped wolf from the zoo kind of have a moment too. Oh.

So basically, when I was thinking this year of Halloween associated animals, Just that sound you just made. Is there a follow-up to that sound? I think I was surprised that there is a wolf at the zoo, and then I realized, like, no, wolves are in the zoo. Yeah, wolves to be. Their wolves maybe is where if you're... I kind of, like, mid-surprise tried to be like, oh, wait, no, that's not surprising.

Oh. My zoo doesn't have wolves, so I was like, wow, wolves at the zoo. The whole zoo has wolves. No, it doesn't. They did up until recently. I'm like 10 years ago. Oh, you're right. It's where the foxes are now.

They used to have wolves there. Okay. Basically, when I was thinking about Halloween this year and associated animals to feature in an episode, I decided to go back to wolves because they really do feature heavily in a lot of our monster stories. And I think our history with this animal is the main reason for that. And we've talked a lot about how in North America,

there really isn't a lot of history of attacks on humans, when it comes to wolves, but elsewhere in the world there really is. And Europe during the second part of the millennium, or the second millennium, so like, and before that, honestly, had a ton of wolf conflict. There's a historian that specialized in rural French history, and he estimated that between 1362 and 1918, about 10,000 people were killed by wolves in France alone. Whoa.

That is exactly a ton, right? 10,000? 2,000's a tonne. Oh, okay. So that's five tons. Five tons of people. Yeah. That's a really big number, but that's also a 550 year range.

So if you divide it out, that averages to about 18 people a year. But there was definitely years where a lot more people died than others. That's still a pretty good clip. Count all of them. It is. Yeah, and I doubt they got all of them. And that's just France. So there is a history with this animal.

And I think because of that history and because this was kind of the main animal for a lot of people in Europe that they were afraid of during a time when also a lot of our literature and history and whatnot were being written in the Western world, that fear of wolves is really reflected in a lot of our stories and books and fairy tales and art, including the 1897 novel Dracula, which was written by Irishman Bram Stoker. So with better technology to protect ourselves, with better technology to protect our livestock, overall just kind of modernization, as well as the overall eradication of rabies in a lot of places, wolf attacks on humans have plummeted, and now they're incredibly rare across their range with a few notable hotspots where they still occur, especially places like India has a large number of wolf attacks still. Shout out AI, right? That's probably what's been helping us so much. What's doing it? You know who's still really afraid of wolves in, like, the United States?

That was Joe Rogen. That's true. He'll get on him and he'll be like, though, they'll kill your whole family. And then I think it's because he solely eats elk meat. So then it's like, it is a real threat to his. Well, yeah. Wolves are one of the most highly politicized animals because, they're kind of on the front line

between environmentalism and agriculture and then hunting too and those are like interest groups that are like represented by very different sides of the political spectrum and wolves are kind of used as a bargaining chip or like a tool to make points or gain points on the other side and I hate that

I don't think they deserve that and this isn't an animal that attacks people in the US it really doesn't there are rare, rare instances where it happens. Let's not get too deep into this yet. We can get into it a little bit later. But attacks are incredibly rare in North America. There's only two fatal attacks on record.

One in Canada in 2005, which we're going to still do an episode on. And the other one in Alaska in 2010, which we covered. That was that school teacher that was running alone and was killed by a pack of wolves. Now, wolf advocates, myself included, are very quick to point out these stats as a way to illustrate that of our large mammals in the U.S., wolves are really one of the least likely to harm humans, but that doesn't mean that they're harmless. They are large, intelligent, highly successful carnivores that have the potential to be dangerous and need to be treated with a lot of respect, which was a lesson that a family learned the hard way in 1996 in Algonquin Provincial Park in

Ontario. And even though I don't think this was one of Dracula's wolves, you just never know. You know, it could be. So just keep that in mind, Mike. Oh, man. Always. Yeah. It's my default thought that it is. Honestly, that's the way to get Rogan because he'll buy into those types of thoughts. So if you just tell them wolves are Dracula and they're framing the other real wolves, he'll be like, oh, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. Jamie, pull that up. That does

that does kind of feel like the pot called So open-minded. Pot calling the kettle black too, Jeff. Oh, yeah. Free fall speed. Your conspiracy. Your conspiracy. Free fall speed.

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and Little Zach is 12 years old at the time. They'd settled on campgrounds that were only accessible by canoe. So basically, like, to picture this place, Algonquin is this, it's kind of like a series of lakes that are all closely connected. Lots of trees, lots of forest, and people would do these long trips where they canoe across the lakes, sometimes portage, sometimes like take the little creeks to connect in between lakes. And you can go to a lot of lakes and explore a lot of territory that way. He's 84 in wolf years. At 12?

Yeah. Is 12 times 784? Yes. Yes. All right. Are they the same as dog years? I know they're related. No, I don't think they are because wolves like in the wild only lived to be like three to four years old.

Yeah. So this guy is like a billion. billion years old. All right. So they had settled on these campgrounds that are only accessible by canoe, and Zach, his parents, his two younger brothers,

load all their camping gear into the car. They strap their canoes to the top, and they drive out to this lake system that's going to connect them to these campgrounds. They start paddling toward their first campsite. Zach really loves his two younger brothers. He's close with Eli, who was only two years younger than him,

and was 10 at the time. And then he's really doing his best, to bond with little Willam, who's eight years younger than him and only three at this time. He feels very protective as the older brother. Jeff, we grew up in a three-brother family. Like, we know there's like some very strong relationships there often. Now, you guys were fed me to the walls. That's not true.

That's not true. At this age, this was like the age where me and Cyrus were kind of competitive for Jeff's attention. So he feels very protective. And as they paddle along the heavily forested shores of these lakes, he's feeling a lot of love for his brothers, for his family, and he's really excited for this adventure that they're going on. His parents, Tom and Tracy, had planned a pretty aggressive trip. They wanted to get as far out into the wilderness as possible. They'd had days where they paddled eight hours and had to move the canoes across different lakes. They would spend a night or two in a campsite and then go

even deeper into the wilderness by canoeing and portaging. And they had really good weather, and the last night of the trip, they actually didn't make it to the lake they'd planned on reaching, so they stopped on the lake where they were and they found an open campsite. And Zach's parents are really exhausted at this point, but Zach and Eli really want to paddle into the middle of the lake to watch the sunset go down, and they managed to convince their dad Tom to go with them while Tracy's cooking dinner. So they had this very Zen moment out in the middle of the lake. They're watching the sun go down.

While it's setting, they see a moose feed on some aquatic vegetation. They're surprised to see some canoes from a local point. Boy Scout troop and they paddle over to say hi. And some of these scouts really excitedly say that they'd seen a wolf in the area earlier and that they were going to howl to see if it responded. And something I learned is that in Algonquin Provincial Park at this time, this was kind of like a thing that people did. There was even a program for a while where you could do wolf howls

where they would go out and howl and the wolves in that area had kind of learned to respond to human howls. And so there's like this thing where people would howl and the wolves an answer. And they stopped doing it because it kind of felt like they were mixing, like kind of messing with nature too much. But at this time, I think this was actively happening. This Boy Scout troop starts howling and the Delventhals join in. And sure enough, they hear a lone howl that just echoes through the woods from the other end of the lake. It's eerie. It's forlorn sounding. But to Zach, it was really exciting because he had finally heard a real howl from a real

wolf. So let's talk a little bit about this wolf. And this is, we're going to get in the weeds a tiny bit here. On this show, we've had several stories involving gray wolves, including that 2010 fatality. And to be 100% honest with you, when I started prepping this episode, I was confident that we were talking about a gray wolf here, Canis Lupus, the gray wolf. They're widely distributed across northern North America, Eurasia, all the way down to India. And I thought that's the animal we're dealing with here in Algonquin Provincial Park. But it turns out I might be wrong. Wow. This animal is actually an Eastern wolf. It's also commonly called a timber wolf or an Algonquin

wolf. And I'd heard of them before, but I always thought that it was just a subspecies or maybe even an unofficial subspecies of gray wolf. But it turns out there's actually a fairly large contingent of mammal researchers that think that the Eastern wolf is its own distinct species, and they've even given it the species named Canis Lycaon. Canis Lycaon. It's a hard one to say. The American Society of mammologists named it as a distinct species of wolf in 2021. So that's kind of amazing to me. I thought that we were always just dealing with one species of wolf and that like red wolves and eastern wolves and what other wolves subspecies across the world were still all gray wolves.

They were just subspecies. But people are saying that this might be its own species of wolf that lives in this really small part of the world. Wow. Do you think maybe it's just a scientist trying to be sneaky and this is how he's going to leave his mark? Kind of do, to be on it. Really?

Like, you're going to be the guy in a couple of years who discovers a ninth bear species. Right. This year path. It's a good move. Yeah, there's like spirit. bears that are black bears in Canada. This is like, actually, hold on. This is a different bear.

This is the West bear. And then do the many people are saying, actually, there's a ninth. The American Society of Nomologist. No, so I reached out to my friend Kira, who's a wolf researcher, a very accomplished one. She's like, I think a genius. And she said that she sees them as a subspecies and that a lot of wolf researchers see them as a subspecies.

species. But basically, what this all comes down to it is how much these wolf species or subspecies mixed with coyotes in the past and how much they evolved alongside coyotes and maybe only share like a common ancestor with gray wolves. It's all pretty confusing. Like if you look at the Wikipedia article for Eastern wolves, pretty much the entire thing is about all the debate of whether or not they're like their own thing. Red wolves and eastern wolves have a lot of coyote mixed in with their genetics. Lots of hybridization over tens of thousands of years has led to wolves that are maybe distinct enough to be their own species.

But pretty much every population of North American wolf does have some level of mixing with coyotes. So it's really deciding at what point that constitutes a new species that's the big debate. And there isn't like a single authority. out there that says, yes, I bless this. Like, this is a new species. Maybe we should have the Pope do that honestly. You know?

Yeah, it's someone in a position of authority. Yeah. Well, he can ask God. And it's God that created all of them, right? True. And he's busy cheering for the White Sox. Wait till after the playoffs. He's a little distracted right now.

Yeah. So for the purposes of today's episode, we are going to treat them as a distinct species with the really big asterix. And I want to give them some quick facts on how they're different. Just the way I like my asterisks. Yeah. Huge.

Look at the asterisk on that one. Timberwolves are like more clumsy, right? They can't catch the ball. They can't shoot in the post. Rudy Gobert. Right? Yeah. French.

French. Oh. Oh, it's all lining up. His people got ravaged by wolves. Yeah, I don't, I'm not saying that I think they're a distinct species, but we're just going to treat them that way for this episode, just to kind of have a new animal to talk about. But we're not really sure.

But here are some differences between them and like your typical gray wolf. First and foremost, and kind of to be expected for a wolf with extra coyote in it, they're a bit smaller and a bit lankier than gray wolves. They also often have a coloration that has more like cinnamon in it. it looks like a mix between wolves and coyotes there's more like tan and rufus coloration than you would see in like canis lupus and they're not they don't hardly ever have like a melanistic version like a black wolf or a white wolf cinnamon on average what i like how you added in it into cinnamon because it's a cinnamon in it cinnamon in it yeah you're like em and m the way you say

those words so fast and how white you are. Yeah. I don't disagree. On average, females weigh about 55 pounds. Males about 67 pounds. Six seven. You should save that for categories. Shit.

Oh. Good six seven there, though. You got to give Wes credit for that. I actually didn't realize that when I put it in my notes. I just saw it right now. Again, it puts them right in between the average sizes of coyotes and wolves. But because they're a bit smaller, they don't really go for larger prey like wolves might, like elk and moose. But they do regularly kill deer, beavers, and other mid-sized prey.

Oh, they're smaller than a gray wolf, huh? Yes. Okay. Yeah, smaller than a gray wolf, larger than a coyote. They do seem to be a bit more willing than North American gray wolves to investigate humans as prey. So maybe Jeff, they just inherited a little bit more of that Wyland gene that coyotes have. You know? Common ancestor.

Just Algonquin Provincial Park, there were four different bites from Eastern Wolves from 1987 to 1996. All right. Let's get back to the Delvinfalfe family. By the time it got totally dark, they paddle back to their campsite. They have some mac and cheese. They get their campsite set up. It's a really nice night, so rather than set up the tents, they decide to decide to, to just put down a couple tarps and sleep under the stars.

On one of the tarps, you have the three boys. Willem's the one in the middle. He's the youngest. And then Zach is on the edge closest to the forest. And then the parents are asleep on another tarp a few yards away. And Zach has the habit of staying up and reading by lamplight. And when he turns off his lamp to go to bed, he's totally amazed by this carpet of stars overhead.

And he lays his head down. He drifts off to sleep with the cool sweet breeze of this forest blowing through his hair and the cosmos just swirling overhead. It had been a perfect trip with his parents and his brothers, and he's kind of sad to see it come to an end. What the Delvenfall family didn't know is that the lone wolf that they had heard howling is now standing in the darkness of the forest on the edge of their campsite.

The final embers of their fire are glowing in its deep pools of its eyes, and it's studying this little family as they sleep. And unlike the wolves commanded by the immortal and ruined soul of Vlad the Impaler, this wolf is only acting on its own instincts. As a lone wolf, it's responsible for securing all of its own food, and it alone had to analyze the different risks and the different rewards when it's sizing up potential prey. And while typically it'd given humans and human smells like a really wide berth, for some reason this night it decided to investigate a bit more closely. And as it carefully steps now into the completely dark campsite, that reflects, that reflects,

The objective tepidum lucidum behind its retinas gives it the ability to see three small shapes lying on the ground in front of it. All of them completely motionless, aside from the rising and falling of their bodies as they breathed while they slept. And this wolf takes another tentative step closer. And then another, and then it opens its mouth and springs toward the figure closest to it and closest to the woods. So as he's sleeping, Zach has a dream. He's walking down a beautiful path in the woods with his parents on a perfect day. when suddenly he feels an incredible pressure on his head in his face that's so intense it shakes him from his dreams and back into consciousness.

He can no longer see the stars overhead, but he's staring up into the humid snarling darkness and he could only see the shapes of the trees in his peripheral vision as they're racing by. His 12-year-old brain clicks back into something primal and he has the realization that something is biting him, it's biting his face, and it's dragging him away. and that if he didn't do something he was going to die. That's a smart kid.

It's a smart kid, yeah. To realize that. Yeah. His brain was 12, Jeff. How old was he, though? He's 12. His brain's also 12. I would say, like, even at, you know, my age, if I suddenly wake up and I can't see anything,

there's just like a dark, humid thing in front of me, and the trees are whipping by. it would take me a second to realize what's going on. You know, it wouldn't be just like... Well, if you had heard a wolf that night, though. Yeah, it would probably click in like it did for him, but it would take me a second. Like, in my apartment complex, it'd take me a lot longer, is my point. Shanks.

Well, oh, yeah, I do have shanks. And he does. It's probably happened already with Shamed. All right, so he knows he's going to... No, I'm not trying to say, wasn't smart as just making a dumb joke. That's all right.

That's kind of, yeah, that's what you're here for. He starts screaming, suddenly the pressure is released and the trees stop moving. He falls to the ground at the feet of a large timber wolf, which then disappears.

Blood starts pouring into the ground in front of him. It just let him go because he screamed. Yeah, when he started screaming. Yeah. In shock, Zach cries out that something had bit him and his mom, Tracy, rushes to his side. she wraps him up in her arms and she brings him back to the tarp.

It's dark and she can't really see the extent of his injuries, but she could feel a growing warm dampness on her shirt and this hot spread of blood as she holds her son to her chest and she knows that they're in some trouble. calmly she tells Tom that she needs help, but Tom is distracted. He'd been looking past the huddled form of his wife and his son at a dark shape that didn't look

quite right, and he has the realization that whatever just attacked his son is now only about three feet away from his wife and his injured boy. So he leaps out of his sleeping bag and he charges at this mystery attacker. It runs, and then it turns and charges at Zach and his mom again. But again, Tom runs at it. He's screaming, he's yelling, and the wolf turns and runs. And Tom listens for the sounds of it crashing through the brush, but his heart sinks when he doesn't hear anything and he knows that it's still in the campsite with him, he just can't see it. I'm an extremely spontaneous person. Even a trip across the world, I like to just show up and kind of just see what happened. Most aspects of my life are spontaneous, and that includes sex.

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Zach yells, what is it to his dad? And meanwhile, 10-year-old Eli has found a flashlight. He passes it to his mom, who turns it on and she shines it around the campsite. She finally illuminates their mystery attacker. It's a wolf, Tom yells out, and he runs back to grab one of the canoe paddles to use as a weapon, and then turns around to chase the wolf, but it's already running back into the protection of the woods. They don't like light. They don't, and they don't like a lot a commotion either. I think for this wolf, this easy, risk-free attempt at a meal had been one that just became filled with too many variables, and it decides to abandon its prey.

So Tracy's now holding her son, who seems impossibly small in his sleeping bag, and the blood is starting to feel heavy as this bag becomes just completely saturated. She yells at Tom, that she needs something for the blood, and he runs back to her with the towel and the flashlight. light and as he flashes the light onto the mangled face of his 12 year old son he mutters oh my god and then looks up at the stars to try and steady himself which probably not the right thing to say right after you look at your kid's face following the wolf attack um maybe just be like wow the stars sure are beautiful both parents know they have to get their son to the hospital but they also kind

of realize maybe they had been a little bit too successful when it came to getting their little family really far away from civilization. They know they're going to have to paddle, portage, and drive for hours to get to the nearest help, and they're not sure Zach's going to make it that long, but they know they have to try. So it's 2 a.m. They're probably acting on a ton of adrenaline, but in the rush to get into... Where's most is blood coming out of? His face. All of it's coming out of his face. So it's not like a neck or anything. It's just like his face is...

Yeah, there's no arterial bleeding from what I understand, but it's still... like he's bleeding a lot. Yeah. So they're kind of in a rush, and to get to the canoe and on their way, they don't grab any of the life jackets. They just pile into the boat with Tracy in front, Eli right behind her, Willem in the middle, and then Zach and Tom in the back. And before leaving the campsite, they throw this bloody sleeping bag to the edge of the forest thinking maybe you'll distract the wolf in case it decides to run out and chase them.

A quick interjection, and I'm not judging these guys, because you really only know how you're going to act in a situation like this when it happens. But there are a few things they could have done to make this a little bit less dire and a little bit less stressful for them. First of all, I think they actually should have brought some of the sleeping bags along because as that continues to lose blood, there's a real chance that hypothermia sets in and you want to do your best to keep him warm and comfortable. And then also someone could fall in the water and if they fall in the water, that's going to really up their risk of hypothermia as well. And then you also want those life jackets because they have a three-year-old they're canoeing at night there's a lot of stuff they

could have run into which they find out soon yeah and um you just want to have those but again who knows how you're going to react when your 12-year-old boy gets his face ripped off by a wolf in the middle of the night you know that's not an easy thing yeah to prepare well and you so you're not supposed to bring the wolf into the hospital so they can identify what bit him no i mean if you happen to kill that wolf If you did happen to kill it You would definitely want to bring its carcass with you Because then they can test it for rabies rather than you

See what type of venom it has It doesn't have any venom Might have rabies though They can also test it for Dracula You know They can be like oh this is a Dracula You have 23 in me Kind of thing

Yeah Also I would have tried to find those scouts Because they might have a more complete first aid kit. You also then have an option of sending a second boat of rescuers that might not be slowed down by like having kids, young kids along. So that's something else they probably should have done, but those are just some of my thoughts for our listeners. I would have never taken a life jacket off. Yeah, just left it on while you're sleeping all the time. Keep your shoes on. Maybe bring a helicopter. There's like all sorts of things. You can poke holes in what they did wrong.

They should have brought a helicopter. Tom does remember that there's a children's camp at one of the adjoining lakes and that they should be able to navigate a creek to connect to that lake, and maybe there would be a phone at this camp. So Tracy studies the map as Tom is paddling out into this inky darkness, and he does slam into a log, so Tracy starts acting his lookout while Tom's rowing, and she's also doing the best to comfort their son,

who's bleeding out on the floor of this canoe. Tom calmly tells Zach that he has to keep pressure on the wounds. And when Zach asked him if he's going to bleed out and die, Tom says, I don't think so, but tells him to use his brain and to concentrate on not bleeding too much. What? What?

That's what it said in the story that I read. So, huh. You know, I don't know what you tell a 12-year-old kid. Maybe that is, maybe then they're like trying to focus on, something, you know, I don't know.

It worked. It kind of sounds like he was like, think of something yourself. Yeah. It worked? Well, I mean, he didn't die. Tom paddles hard and Tracy yells back at him how much she loves him, but they couldn't really hear each other. So they're having their sons like past messages of love back and forth to each other.

So the water starts getting really choppy and Tom looks at the map and he thinks he knows where they are, but it's not right. And he kind of gets agitated. He has been looking at the stars to try and navigate. It's not making sense. Tracy's starting to feel her husband become really frustrated. And she's trying to calm them down so they don't panic. And then she sees that they'd pass to campsite and they're like, let's just stop and ask them for directions.

So they pull in, Tracy climbs out, and she starts screaming that they need help. And this lone camper, he like wakes up. He hears, my son's been attacked by a wolf. and we can't find the way to Teepee Lake and she just says just point us in the right direction and this guy just points and they take off so probably kind of a weird night

for that dude too as they paddle Tom realizes that he's forgotten to account for the movement of the stars and he's been trying to navigate from like what they were five hours ago and then so they kind of get back on the right track

these like both Tom and Tracy are very experienced in the outdoors like they can navigate with the stars and stuff. These are people that know the outdoors very well. And they do get to some calmer water. They find the right channel. They're getting closer to Teepee Lake.

But they're really starting to be on the edge of Fobl and panic. When the channel opens up and Tom says, I think this is it. They turn around this bend and they see lights across the lake. And they get there and as they're getting close, Tom's like yelling, we have an emergency, we need a car. The camp director runs out. She sends a counselor to like rouse the doctor. They're waiting by the dock when the family gets there. And at 4.30 a.m., about two and a half hours after the attack happened, they help Zach out of the canoe and a camp nurse leads him to the doctor that's at this camp.

So like it was a good move to go to this camp. There's a nurse. There's a doctor. There's a car. There's a phone. They rather than like try and wait on a helicopter or something, they drive the 300 kilometers to the hospital. I brought your own. Always pack a helicopter.

That should be like our new model for this show. Bring your bear spray and your helicopter. And your bazooka. Oh, shoot. That's such a good idea. I bet you because they had the canoes, they didn't think they needed a helicopter. Yeah. So they decide to drive 300 kilometers to the hospital for sick children in Toronto.

after they've kind of stabilized his wounds and everything. They're going to turn him away. He's not sick. Yeah, Ricky, you are not sick. Unless you're a vampire. Might be a vampire. Yeah. He goes in for four hours of surgery.

They use more than 80 stitches to close his wounds. His tear duct gets severed, so he does suffer from a weeping eye now. And they had actually gotten some literature from Algonquin Provincial Park that said wolves pose no threats to humans. However, like, there had been a number of incidents recently and few injuries even, but I do think, from what I understand, they didn't try and find this wolf and kill it. They kind of just decided that, oh, no mind, I'm actually wrong. I forgot that I had a little bit more of my notes. Yeah. I'd say it's shocking. Let me, that Wes is wrong? Well, no, that they I thought that they didn't kill the wolf, but now...

I had a little bit more notes that were on the next page that I need to scroll down and see. Park authorities killed the wolf five days after the attack on... I liked the other ending better. She should have stopped reading. 25 kilogram nail wolf. And the reason they did that was because this wolf had lost its fear of humans. Zach did struggle with trauma. He does say that like that whole experience.

really brought him a sense of the value and fragility of life, made him even more protective of his brothers. It's kind of sad that a 12-year-old had to learn that lesson. I feel like that's a better lesson to learn when you're in like your 40s or something. 12-year-olds, in my opinion, should feel invincible and just kind of feel carefree. But stuff happens, and it did bring their family closer together. They really ran a desperate race, and they managed to do it. together. Yeah. No, that's impressive. I think like on it, everyone kind of impressed me through the whole

story. Yeah. Navigating by the stars and just the trek out and everything is like I could never. And I think they're lucky it wasn't a Dracula wolf because in the novel, he steals a baby. He feeds it to his like paramours that he keeps in his castle that are also vampires. And then when the distraught mother comes looking for her baby, Dracula commands a whole pack of wolves to kill and eat her. which they happily do. So that's a much sadder ending than what happened in this real life story. Unless you're the wolf.

Unless you're the wolf, then it's very happy. Yagatita distraught mother. She kind of wanted to die though, Bram Stoker said, because she'd lost her baby to vampires, which is the worst way to lose a baby, I think. All right, you guys got any questions about this Eastern wolf attack in 1996,

3JP, 3P, 3P? Post JP. Yeah, we got it last year. We got it. So portaging. Workshopping that. Explain to me what that is. Portaging is when you don't have an access route on water.

Like you don't have a way to navigate on water to where you're going. So you pull all of your stuff like on land and carry it on land to the next water. So like imagine two lakes where there's just like a little hill in between them. You would portage the canoe up and over that. hill and into the other lake. Okay. Yeah. If you want to read about some harrowing poring, read that book, The River of Doubt, which

is about Kirby Roosevelt and Teddy Roosevelt. They did some hardcore portaging. Isn't that kind of what they were doing? What's the Aguary Wrath of God? Yeah, that's exactly what they were doing. Yeah. Just like on a massive scale. It sounds like the most miserable thing in the world.

I mean, even on a small scale, it's like, why are we making? making all these extra steps to have fun here. Just stay home and order a pizza and watch a movie. Yeah, or just go to one lake. One lake, one single one. Yeah. And maybe once you get to the end of it, paddle back the other way, and that'll be fun again. Sometimes that's how I feel when we go backpacking and we like get to the first lake.

It's like, it's a great lake. Let's just do this lake, you know? Sometimes, like, I'll portage a piece of pizza from the box to my mouth. And that's like... That's the extent of my physical strain. It's especially funny because it's like they went deep into the wilderness and then it's like just a Boy Scout troop once they got way back in here. That was an interesting detail.

Bear grills where he's just like, oh, I'm like been stuck in the wilderness for three days and there's like a highway behind him. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. Man, I used to really defend that guy and I just don't. anymore. I'm just not. Yeah. Anyone can drink pee. Yeah, anyone can do that. Yeah. Is there any specific reason I shouldn't like him anymore or is it just a general? There are, but we can get into it later,

but there's a number. A lot of it too is just like, like a lot of the show was fake. Yeah. There was an episode in Montana where he was like running from a grizzly bear and I knew exactly where they were filming it and it wasn't in grizzly habitat and it was kind of just like a you know SMH dude there's a lot of people who will like go to his exact spots he did like some harrowing thing too and just like walk across it really like casually and stuff and there's like a highway right there that they edited out or something do you know who really gave a good SMH was um what's the little girl's name in the exorcist oh yeah linda blair Yeah, all the way around.

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So we're going to do it again. I want to hear a favorite pop culture wolf. I'll go first. A movie that has really kind of had a renaissance for me on a rewatch was the movie The Grey. When I first saw that movie, I just thought it was pretty dumb and couldn't really get past my biologist's brain. and now like kind of just putting that aside and not really overthinking how it doesn't make any sense that wolves would act that way. The wolves in that movie are really cool. Like I really, there's a scene where they're kind of like coming out of the darkness and you see all their eyes glowing and stuff. And it's just, it's just like a fun horror animal movie.

So I'm going to go with the wolves from the gray. I had a bit of a reappraisal of the movie Call of the Wild with Harrison Ford. Yeah. I've never seen that one. Weird CG dog. And that was like another thing where I was like, I don't, I can't get over that dog. But then I did. There's also wolves in that movie.

That's not my answer though. My answer is the two wolves that live inside all of us. Yeah. With you, what, what are those two wolves telling you, Mike? Well, one is gay. And the other one is also gay. Yeah. All right.

Cool No, I'm going to go with I don't know what Have we talked about Let's go Wolf Link from Twilight Princess A Zelda game That guy That's a cool

Cool wolf Yeah Minda rides around on you Like spanks you and stuff I don't know if that happens But that's my mind That's the canon in my mind Yeah

She's got a big orange hand She's got to be spanking someone with it Yeah That's just me Jeff what's your wolf I said the wolf from Pulp Fiction. He's just, if I ever killed someone, I would want the wolf on the case. He does a really good job.

And, you know, he's not rude. I don't think Trilota needed to talk back to him at all. No. And also, I want to shout out Ghost of Yote. It's like the second game after Ghost of, Sushima, but it's a video game, and she's like trying to get revenge for her family being killed at the start of the game. But then these wolves help her throughout the whole game, and those wolves are all cool. Oh, cool. I need to play those games. Yeah. Maybe that'll be my like

once every three years video game experience for four days. There's a inventory and items in it, so just be wary. Yep. But they're all like samurai. And cool items. Even like Astrobot got to be a little bit too, like, oh man, there's too many little tasks here. I've got too many little worlds that I have to visit and do things. I know what to tell you. Yeah, I know. It sucks.

You go play Wordle or something. There's a game that I'm, there's like a dinosaur survival game that I'm looking. There's two actually. There's one called, man, I can't remember what it's called on then Jurassic Park Survival. They're both like dinosaur survival games. Anyway, I'll put in the name of the other ones somewhere. All right. Next category.

If you could have any species of animal do your bidding, what would it be? Remember when I did the hogs episode forever ago and there was that pig, they trained to play a video game? And that's like how they're like these pigs are so. So I'd train a bunch of pigs to play video games with me. Oh, yeah. They could find you good mushrooms too. Oh, yeah. It could double time for me.

That kind of hurts my feelings that me and Jeff it's like pulling teeth to get Mike to play a single game of minigolf with us But then he wants to train pigs to play video games No, it'd be like it'd be I'd assemble like the first ever competitive team of Like leagues league of legends a team full of pigs and it'd be like a Hollywood story and we would option the script and everything It'd be a big thing okay I like it Jeff I'll play a different game with you guys Yeah We'll play mini golf.

We got a new mini golf partner. I mean, probably an orca. I just want to take out some billionaire boats. I like that. Yeah. They're already doing that on their own. You don't even need to make them do it. That's true.

I picked... Wasted. Mine's kind of a wasted one too because they're kind of already doing this for me too. But I picked bees because I would just like have them make so much honey. And I would have them go to the best flowers to make the best, like, most unique honey. and then you could also use them to like attack people if you needed it it would be really intimidating if someone walked up

with just like a swarm of bees right behind them and they could make them do things there's a movie about that option that for a movie oh yeah beekeeper beekeeper yeah he didn't he wasn't he wasn't controlling his beekeeper yeah he was like a druid

how do we get on beekeeper every single episode they could help you sneak into a rated R movie if you stacked like 60 of them up on each other's shoulders and they put on a trench coat they could get into our way with our movie you said that last time i think that was our sub-episode though did you not remember you said that no i'm still thinking about it it's just that's all that this is just the way you explained it all over again i was like you know that you said that right so what all right so i'm running out of material so what What? Let's play a game. Bill, put that in. Put that in that clip of that little guy saying, let's play a game. I want to play a game. Jigsah. Laura Lumer.

I want you guys to either give me a howl of approval or a snarl of disdain for the names given to these animal hybrids. So I've failed to mention coy wolves when I was talking about Eastern wolves. So coy wolves are a thing where like an eastern wolf maybe hybridizes with a coyote. So it's like more of a direct hybridization, not an evolutionary thing. And it creates this hybrid between a coyote and a wolf. And people think they're a lot more common than they are. They're not that common. But this is actually like a mix between the two.

It's not like they have some shared lineage. It's like, you know, these are like a wolf and a coyote breeding. and their name is koi wolf so i want you to give me a howl of approval for that name or a snarl of disdain oh howl of approval for jeff you don't have to literally make the sound if you'd rather just say that's a snarl or something i'm just i kind of stopped listening a while ago so i'm really sure why i land coy wolf uh... the snarl of disdain all right uh yeah i also don't like this name so it's also a snarl Wrong.

This does happen in nature, but coy wolf, I don't think there's a much better option besides maybe you're like Woyote. You think that's a better option. Snarl. What I don't like is when an animal hybrid has the complete name of one of the animals and a short name of the other one. Oh, coyote wolf. Okay. So it has just the first two letters of coyote and then the whole name of wolf. And I just don't love that.

So like, but you can't really do like Woyote and Kolf. It doesn't really make it. I like Kolf. I like Kolf. That's my big. Kolf is not bad. Okay. I want to explain why I like it.

Okay. Yeah. Because it's coyote and wolf mixed into one name. And then also Koi is kind of like something that's sneaky, right? Like, oh, that's a koi animal. And like coyotes and wolves are, like, a coyote. Wolf, that's going to be a sneaky-ass wolf. So that is a coy wolf.

Okay. That's a good explanation. I like it. Liger, a cross between a male lion and a female tiger, only found in captivity, Liger. It's a snarl for Mike. It's a roo for me. I feel like Napoleon Dynamite kind of made them seem like a joke, but it's at its core a good name. I think those two names combine really well.

And the one I don't like is Taigon, which is a cross between a male tiger and a female lion. It's a big little snarl for me. Tegon, because you don't say lion. And I also don't, I kind of don't like when it's like changes based on whether it's like male or female of the given species. I think you just got to pick one and stick with it. And Liger is a good name. Let's just stick with Liger. I didn't know that that was a thing.

Yeah. So a Liger is a male lion female tiger. A Tigon is a male tiger female lion. All right. Oh, yeah. I don't need to do all that. This next animal has two names. So you can just howl or tell me you're going to howl if you like either of these names.

Groller bear or Pizzley bear, which is a cross between a grizzly and a polar bear. Go ahead and tell me which one you like more. Groller bear or Pizzley bear. I'm going Grohl. No, I don't like that. I like Groll. I'm going Pizzley. Okay.

Pizzly is just a little funny. somehow. It is funny. It sounds kind of like weak to me though, which I don't love for like a combo of two of the coolest animals. Groller bear, it just doesn't make me think of what it is though. Like Liger, you think of a lion tiger, a grower bear. I'm thinking maybe like a boulder that looks like a bear or something.

It's a good Pokemon. All right. next one's a walfin which is a bottom-nose dolphin and a false killer whale these have been documented in the wild but most famously come from captivity wal wolfen yeah i like the wolfen all right three owls good name pooma pard a puma and a leopard cross only in captivity that's a snarl for me a big little snarl yeah i don't like that one I think like Coogard. Cougard is a much better name or Cougard. Mountain Leopard, but like Puma Pard just doesn't. I just don't like it.

Mike, what's your answer for that one? I think I'm going to woo. Okay. I'm a wooing. I think you guys are going to like this next one. A jag lion, which is a male jaguar and a female lion only happens in captivity. A jagline? Yeah.

I have to snarl. because I don't like that the whole lion name is in there. I'm going to snarl. I think they need to add just one more noise and do jagalion. Oh, that's way better. Jagalion. It's like jackalantron. I think they need to make it more seamlessly into one word.

So it would be a jaglion. Jaglion. It might be that, actually. It might be jaglion. Yeah. Because that's cool. I like that one. All right.

What do those look like? they look like a big jaguar that's like lighter colored yeah but they haven't they've only been in captivity and there's only been a couple so i don't even know if there's any real pictures of them i think this is a lot of these animals were back in like the early 1900s when like rich people and like india and stuff were just like hey let's mix all these animals up um all right mule male donkey female horse

I love that it's just like a name that doesn't really connect to either animal that much that's how I would prefer all of these to be just make up an entirely new one yes I'm a wooing all right narluga a narwhale and a beluga whale confirmed in the wild through DNA narluga sounds like a sounds like an animaed at me nirathetep or like one of the ancient ones yeah some lovecraftian stuff I'm gonna woo me too Yeah, it's got to be, it's got to be that. You can't do like blue whale. Yeah.

Blue whale. Blue wall. Yeah. That's like, I always have this thought. So like when some Apple engineer was first designing like the earbuds, you know someone came up with the name Airbud and thought they were really cooking until they thought for like two seconds. Like, oh, man. That's that one dog Yeah

All right last one Bifalo Which is a domestic cow And a bison That one's my favorite Of bifelos It's so like So demeaning to

To name it after like The meat that comes from It's such a like a Dr. Seuss name to me I love it Bifalo I'm gonna woo too Oh I'm gonna smile

All right It's kind of convoluted That should be like a joke name It shouldn't be a real name It's kind of convoluted too because they happen in the wild, but one of those animals is domestic. What is this feigned indignance you're putting on for this name, Jeff? Do you really feel that strongly about it? Too joky for him.

I don't feel that strong, but it's like a yes or no. It's like beefalo is like something I would call buffaloes is a joke. And then it's like, oh, you can't even call them that because they're bisoned. that's part of the problem is you're using buffalo and beefalo and they're bison. What's y'all's favorite scene from the Francis Ford Coppola masterpiece, Bram Stoker's Dracula? My favorite's actually the opening. You kind of see this really interesting lit battle between like the ancient Romanians and whoever they're fighting and then a bunch of people impaled on its stakes. And then it switches to Dracula in like the cool.

coolest armor ever fighting with some priests and his wife is dying is like long less love and then he curses them and blood like pours out of the stout the cross and it's just like maybe the most like gothic scene ever made for a gothic horror movie and i just so so absolutely love it like it hooks you in better than just about any opening scene of any horror movie ever mine is more of a moment than a scene but when they all burst into the room and winona's on the bed and he's all transformed and gross. And then he kind of snarls at the cross they're holding up and it lights on fire. I just think that's the coolest little moment.

I know it's always stuck with me. I think about that every single day. It's so cool. That's when he's in bat form. That's a good one. I liked when I liked the scene that people kind of point out as the worst scene. But when Keanu Reeves and Gary Oldman are like really conversing and getting into argument. And then you see like the Dracula shadow from Gary Oldman and human form, you know?

I thought that scene was awesome. But also just like, Keanu kind of works just to like emphasize how good if a job Gary Oldman's doing. Like I feel like if they were both just like nailing it, it wouldn't stand out as much, you know? Sure. Yeah. That's a good point, actually. Kiano's British accent and this is like atrocious. but I love this movie so much that it's like started to become like part of its charm for me.

Like I just... Yeah. This is maybe my favorite horror movie. It's like right up there with the thing for me. So, uh, quick new category. This category is called Is Mike Okay? Mike, are you okay? Doing okay, bud.

All right. Had a rough week with the Padres and the Chargers. So I don't even care about, listen, it's beneath me. Sports. You know, what a childish pastime. I think it's kind of cringeworthy that any of you care out there. Which team was more disappointing to you this week? Disappointing the Chargers just because they're like the Padres really ought to.

They were right in the position. Like literally two strikes away from being two and O. Instead, they are O and two. All credit to the Brewers, great, the great team. So like, I'm not trying to take anything away from them. But, man. It's the only baseball I've watched all season just because I want your two. team to win, Mike, and I'm ruined for him. Maybe I should stop. I'm sorry. Sorry I second-handedly

kind of subjected you to this debacle. No, I love an underdog, and I love, like, a team that has a history of losing, and that's why I love the Cubs for so long, and then once they won, I kind of lost interest, so. I really love these Padres now. And they're going against, like, the mega team, the Brewers, who historically are. Monstant All right What's the worst way to be woken up And what's the best way to be woken up

A wolf carrying you off by the face Is I think a bad way to be woken up Yeah that's true You guys What's your worst in your best ways I still think being woken up by a phone call is worse Ooh that is a bad way to get woken up Because you try so hard to be like

To talk normally But no matter what you do People are going to be like I'm sorry, did I wake you up? Are you high? Or are you just... What's going on? Today was actually a really bad one.

Just an email from an airline saying your flights canceled. You're moved to two days later. Yeah. Hey, we moved your flight two days later. That's cool, right? You guys are good with that. Why can they just do that?

And then what it let... It's like you can pick a new one. It let me just like pick. pick the original one. Oh, really? The dumbest thing I've ever seen. Yeah, I went back on and our original flight was an option to pick. And I was like, yes, I'll take this one, please.

Can I please have this flight? We'll see what happens. Yeah. All right. For me, the worst way was the way I was woken up a lot of my childhood, which was my dad seeing the BYU fight song. Terrible way to get woken up. And then I think the best way to get woken up is maybe

just like the sun kind of like glinting through your window and you just wake up feeling rested and it's nice and quiet and you hear the birds chirping just like a very waking up to the smell of fresh breakfast food's a good one that is a good one yeah freshly baked bread yeah a pair of conies oh a pair of conies that's not what sam calls them yeah the rabbits All right. Quick conservation corner. Getting woken up by a hundred supermodels. Dude. Holy cow. Avalanche of naked women. All right.

There are less than 5,000 eastern wolves remaining in the world. Habitat loss and hybridization are the biggest threats facing the species. If we do consider it a species, which I don't. Basically. some of the worry is that these wolves mate with coyotes and gray wolves in places where they overlap, and that's going to continue to just basically water down that distinctive genetic lineage, and over time they will just become like coy wolves. It's kind of the same thing that's happening in a large part.

Some people think is happening with dingoes in Australia that as they mate with, like, domestic dogs, we're losing, like, actual dingoes. I was worried you were going to say, like, a white supremac. Mrs thing then. Yeah, like we need pure Eastern wolves, please. No, but I do think

there's a very big difference between saying that in humans and saying that in an animal because we don't want to lose the species. Okay, let's go on to our claw rating. If we were to count this as a different species, let's give it a claw rating, the Eastern Wolf. Eastern Wolf? Not Timberwolf?

It's the same thing. Timberwolf, Eastern Wolf. Timberwolf's the name. I like Timberwolf more. Yeah. Gray wolf is honestly the worst name. Yeah, because they can be a lot of different colors, too. It's like, I don't even really think.

It's like trying to force me to think of them as being gray. Yeah. You can just call gray wolves, too. Like, that is the wolf. If you look up wolf on Wikipedia, you can get an article. I can just call giant pandas, pandas. You'll get an article about Canis Lupus, which is the gray. wolf we call them the gray wolf in north america but they're wolves do you hate any animal that's just

named at a color then is that where your brain's at jeff if if it's like that color i'm fine with it but like like a gray wolf like a gray wolf like a gray wolf like i like to think of the black ones yeah and it's like gray wolf the name always makes me first think of them as gray you know Okay What about those blue sheep? Yeah, I don't like that name. I hated that. That was my least favorite animal ever.

It's not their fault. Like a red fox, I think, is good. Right, red fox is great. Even though it's kind of orange. Yellow, yeah. Orgish yellow fox, we should be calling them. I'm going to give Eastern Wolf six claws because I frankly don't really agree

that it's its own species. and then I also, I kind of just feel like it's a, it's like a souped up coyote or a watered down wolf. And I think I like either of those species better, like as their pure form, you know? Hmm. I see. You don't like muggles.

Purity. No. I'll give them six big booms. All right. Yeah, let's just see six, six, six. Do the booms, Mike. Boom. Boom.

Boom. Boom. All right. Big justice, dude. Well, that's it. For this episode on the Eastern Wolf, it's our first of our October spooky episodes. I will shout out my sources. The main one was two different shows, Human Prey, and I was Prey, I think, of the two shows.

And then a few different articles that I found. but yeah anyway another thing I wanted to do a quick shout out of is I just did a subscription episode on bears and slasher's and had a bear attack that I likened to a slasher movie so if you feel like checking out our subscription channel it's still 10 bucks a month it is now like well over 100 hours of content that you're going to get access to probably a few hundred hours and you also get first dibs at our trips you get first dibs at a lot of different things um a cool community to interact with on discord there's a lot of perks to that ten dollars so check it out just go to our patreon you'll love it i will thanks for the recommendation according to mike one episode's like a hundred hours

oh my gosh dude we got to cut these down what are we doing this one was on the shorter side i think it was you did great west all right yeah you did an amazing job thank you okay well i love you guys and we'll see you later love you see ya see ya bye