Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - 2SLGBTQ+ Jams: Toronto Mike'd #875

Episode Date: June 30, 2021

This 68th Pandemic Friday, Mike kicks out jams from members of the 2SLGBTQ+ community with Cam Gordon and Stu Stone. But first, a special appearance by Jeff Woods.

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is Cam Gordon and Stu Stone. Hello, Mike. Back on Zoom, unfortunately. Is it raining there now? What's the status? It's raining men. Hallelujah. Hey, that's so appropriate.

It is like doing something out there. It's kind of sprinkling. But the thing is that we would be doing it at 7.15 p.m. in the backyard. And I think it might be like, I don't know, like torrential downpour at that time. Like right now, I think we should be in the backyard and i think it might be like i don't know like torrential downpour at that time like right now i think we should be in the backyard but uh i think we might have made the right call because that forecast looks a bit funky has your tarp like ever blown away or is it because i i feel like i've seen a like tent and like balloon and and sort of uh carom like in the wind and stuff uh never has my tarp blown

away. It is securely fastened. The lighting has blown away though. We've seen that happen live. That's true. So can we make a pact before I even check in on the great stew stone? Glad to have you with us too. No, we can't make this pact because like the first time that you brought me to your backyard, if you'll recall, was in

the middle of a rain and hail storm. But I didn't put up a tarp. And I was under like a pile of umbrellas and I still got pneumonia and was sick for like three days afterwards. Okay, but you didn't really get pneumonia. But I didn't put up the tarp that time. I just think we should commit to this because there's only eight

episodes of Pandemic Friday to go after this one. And then we never speak to each other again? I never have to see you again. And we're almost there. I declare that this should be the last remote Pandemic Friday episode and that the last eight episodes

should all happen in person. We're missing another episode, so how can we make that promise? We fixed that. That was fixed. It's in the Tuesday. Does Brother know that she's been... Oh, no. Brother was never told about this other one.

Oh, he was never told. Okay, good. I'm sorry. We're really just killing air time here. We've got people watching live. This is a big episode. Eight left. So we never have to see each other again.

Stu, before I ask you the big question in everybody's mind, I'm just going to congratulate Cam Gordon. I saw on the socials that Cam got his second vaccination. Is that true, Cam? Yeah, that is accurate. I was at the, what were they called? Toronto Vaccine Day. I was an attendee remarkable operation um when mf and i went in the line it was like literally snaked around all of union station um and we're like this is fucked we're not going to get in in time but yeah the line never stopped moving the amount of time we're actually in the arena was probably in and out 45 minutes. It was incredible. They gave us a free towel after and Excel was handing out

gum. Wow. So we got some spearmint gum, which was a nice surprise. And then we went to Betty's after and celebrated with a beer. Spearmint is Cam's favorite mint. That's a good one. Top five mint. Yes. Okay, now you didn't mention the

arena but of course you're referring to george bell arena that's where everybody was i wish i wish so this is scotia bank arena yeah right okay i uh was following it on twitter uh you should try it cam it's a very nice social media service uh and i was seeing that they did 25 000 or something what was the final tally do you know yeah i think they said like 2020 i feel like even more like 26 000 because they announced late in the day that they were doing uh walk-ins they saw uh fotm carolyn cameron wow about this and some other people uh so yeah it was quite quite the civic fair jen hollett was there i just thought she got vaccinated there,

my former colleague and much music legend. Right. So yeah, it was a great day. Okay, congrats. For what it is. So I think they say wait 14 days before you go to like an orgy or something. So you have, the clock is ticking on that.

I will say today is my 14th day post-second vaccination. So I am now fully... Wow, a vasectomy and a vaccination in the same year. BNB. I'm triple-vaxxed, if you will. So, Cam, great news. Stu, how the hell are you doing? Did you listen to the Schools Out episode of Toronto Mic'd?

I did listen to enough of it to know that Cam pronounces decal deckle. I do know that much. So he didn't let me down with that. At least. Yeah. I mean, I heard enough of it before I was made to be, to feel sick. But you know, I, I am, I, I always, I'm keeping tabs. I'm keeping tabs. It was a very impressive deep dive. Perhaps, you know, even though it was probably only like a four foot shallow end, you dove into the pool and didn't break your neck. So muzzle tub on that. Congrats, guys. Great

job. We got something wrong. One thing. There's only one thing that I liked more than your deep dive without me on the Degrassi Schools Out movie. And that's country music. Is this a work or a shoot? Okay.

So, Cam, we got something wrong in that episode. We should correct, I think, which is that you basically didn't invite me to be a part of it. You didn't acknowledge that? No, I said wrong. Okay. I said wrong. We got something wrong.

So you said something about, oh, do you know Riverdale? And my brain went automatically to the show my teens watched recently, which is the Archie reboot. And of course, that was a different, apparently this was the wrong Riverdale. There was a Cynthia Day, it was Cynthia Dale in it, but there was a Riverdale, like a local CBC show called Riverdale. Okay, I kind of thought that,

but then when I looked at IMDb for Catherine Dumphy, it linked to the other Riverdale, but that totally makes sense, because why would a Toronto star writer who's been retired for many years write for like, what's the other Riverdale on, like the WB or something, like an American? Yeah, no, it's a Netflix show, I think. I think it's a Netflix show. I think it's a Netflix show. No, Riverdale is like a WB show. And it's shot in Vancouver. And Cynthia Dale played my mother in the film Heavenly Bodies. Did you listen to that deep dive? Someone did a Heavenly Bodies deep dive. Yeah, someone posted it, but I didn't hear it.

I didn't hear it. Because I would be like jumping on that to hear, did they make a reference to The Great Stew Stone? I'm sure they would have had to have. I mean, how could you watch that movie and not? I know that you guys make fun of my sprinkler story. Okay, the famous Gallagher, not John Gallagher. I like it.

I don't make fun of it. Okay, Stu likes to make fun of my sprinkler story. Still, in fairness, your sprinkler story is a lot more exciting than Cam's, like, met Elvis Stoico at the Shopper's Drug Mart checkout. It's about the same. It's about the same. But I'm proud of the sprinkler story because it's a true story. We haven't all hung out with, like, Patrick Swayze and Kanye and stuff.

So it's a real person story. But I have another story. It's not as exciting, maybe, as the sprinkler story. But I went for a bike ride on the weekend, and I was going to Port Credit, and I saw some commotion by the river. So I said, what's going on here? So I kind of got comfy,

and I saw that they were going to, something was going to be pulled out of the river. Like I was really, it was like when they broke into the vault of Capone. Okay, I was like, yeah. I was excited, like what's coming out of this river? I had no idea there were cops there and a big tow truck and scuba divers

had put hooks on something, but I couldn't see what it was. So I got my camera ready and I'm ready. What's coming out of this river? And what did they pull out of the river but a Maserati? It was just a Maserati. It was fished out of the Credit River

and I witnessed it and I thought that was pretty cool. That's a pretty good reveal. Again, that could be anything. It could have just been some haulage or a cinder block or something. And I guess that answered the question that Al the Royal Payne had about where he parked his Maserati. I guess they found it. Oh, speaking of Al the Royal Payne, I'm wearing a shirt today that the great Al

sent me. It is for his Letter Kenny podcast called The Produce Stand. Produce Stand? Or Produce. I think both are acceptable. What do you say, Cam? Whatever Cam says, it's the opposite, so let's hear it. Produce.

I worked in a grocery store for five years. Produce is what I would say. Produce. That's a pretentious way of saying it. Right, right. So I just want to shout out the produce stand, or the produce stand, if you will, Stu. Thank you.

It's a very nice shirt. It looks nice. That's a nice shirt. You seem to take advantage of all of the freebies around here. I mean, the Palma Pastas, the Great Lakes beers, the free IT advice, formerly free IT advice. He's got Twitter.

Yeah, the hockey Twitter. Oh, yeah. I've got some stuff that Cam hooked me up with here. And of course, I've got a lot of Toronto Mike stickers from StickerU. Oh, and I have beer from Great Lakes.

I'm going to crack one open right now because then we have to introduce the topic and then we have to get to our special guest kicking out the first jam. But I want to ask you about a recent episode first. So here we go. So today's topic is we're kicking out jams for members of the 2SLGBTQ plus community.

So we've all chosen four jams from members of the, the two S LGBTQ plus community. And, uh, we have a special guest who identifies as a member of that community kicking out the first jam in mere minutes. So I'm very excited to get this going. Thank you.

Great lakes for the, uh, the beer that I'm going to drink while we kick out these great jams. Did either of you, no pressure, but did either of you hear the episode I recorded yesterday with a young woman who is married to our very own Kareem?

I've heard that about the first 25 minutes. What a story. What a delight. What a fine story. How lucky are you that you struck such gold with your next door neighbors i bet you thought when uh the the finnegan family moved out that you were never going to be able to outdo them shout out to the finnegan i'm trying to think the finnegan family is that um uh is that a mr dress-up reference could be i don't know they're your

neighbors because i remember alex moved out but I can't remember Finnegan in there. But yeah, so this episode, if you're sleeping, some people cherry pick. They just want Pandemic Friday or they just want the big names or whatever. Don't sleep on the episode I recorded yesterday because with my neighbor Chi, because it's really amazing. Like it's so inspiring. And this whole story, capturing capturing the story just made me feel like i could do anything because look what she's done and the whole idea that she's you know lives next door and is married to kareem who's like a you know he was going to drop by if we

were in the backyard tonight unfortunately we're on zoom so we won't be seeing him but i think it was just an amazing little story and i just urge people to listen I think I still smell them though I almost made a crack about that on the episode about you know we always smell them coming but I didn't know if it was appropriate for I do like her analogy of we all carry these invisible backpacks I thought that was sort of very profound

just kind of you know all the life experience and also stuff we have in those backpacks that might be from our parents or our loved ones or friends or people that we've passed through this life a lot of that stuff ends up in the backpack and you wear that for the rest of your life i thought that was very good and she's mother is uh she's Cree and a residential school survivor and you know he she herself has uh been almost killed four times I hear so there's that but then there's the perspective her father emigrated from Nigeria so she's raised you know black and indigenous and I don't know how much to reveal because I kind of like the story unfolding in the podcast, but she has other obstacles to overcome in her life.

Absolutely. I've heard it myself and it's highly recommended, Alyson. Good job. And it's interesting that her life would deal her such a hand that she would have to overcome having you as her next door neighbor on top of all of that. Well, here's the thing. So we were going to record it where we recorded it. Always having, you know, Ralph and Mergy show up in your backyard. Cackling 1236 once a month. He's coming in next. He's coming over next week. My moose grumpy.

Okay. So speaking of 1236, he has a bone to pick with Paul Burford, who thinks I'm a big number in this town because Wiseblot wants to come in and talk about how those prizes on the Just Like Mom game show there were shit. Paul Burford seems to think they were awesome prizes. And I think Wiseblot's going to rebut that next week. Seiko watch?

Casio, maybe. Seiko? Maybe Seiko. But also, I have a... Parker Brothers... I have a Mind Blow. Game selection. I have a Just Like Mom Mind Blow

that I'll reveal when Mark visits next week that I think is going to... Why would you tease us with the Mind Blow? Just do it now. Come out with it. I'm holding this one until Wiseblot's in the backyard with me, but it's well worth the wait. Sounds like Cam is really eager to get to Geography Corner with that squeak.

Is that your squeak there, Cam? Okay, guys. So we're back on Zoom, which means you're going to see this guest before you hear this guest. That's the big difference by going to Zoom. Oh, right. Are you ready for the celebrity guest

who's going to kick out the first jam in our 2SLGBTQ plus celebration. This person identifies as a member of that community. Are you ready? Yeah. All right, I know what that is. Okay, Cam, Stu. Actually, if we hear the voice, it'll be clear to everyone listening on the podcast. Please, surprise guest, introduce yourself.

I'm a male in his mid fifties from Toronto. I've been on the radio a couple years and I have a podcast. And I've been on this podcast before a couple of times. Ask another question. And, and please tell us the name of your podcast. It's the current podcast is records and rock stars. I could listen to him read the fucking phone book isn't that unreal butter the guy that knows his tool his instrument

and knows how to eloquently use it it's kind of you to say i've been doing it for a couple of decades yeah well lots actually 80 85 was the first time i cracked the mic professionally as it were wow did you always know you had like the best voice i didn't have it no you know in college it was uh it was like a boy wow how did you what was that like like aha moment a lot of whiskey no it was probably much later. It was much later when it started to develop. I think your voice changes. If you hear Orson Welles in his 20s and 30s,

it's not the Orson Welles of his 50s and 60s. He became a big, broad, bold, right? It's that thing. Leonard Cohen used to have a a really like high pitch smooth voice it's kind of a peri-feral so we haven't named we haven't named the secret guest yet even though all fotms would know who this is with one syllable of that voice you know exactly who we're talking to but what is your name uh secret uh zoomer here it It's Jeff Woods. Wow.

Honest to God, Jeff. Now here's the big question I have for you. And I think a lot of listeners here, Stu's got, he's got the applause going for you here. I invited you on because you're a member of the 2SLGBTQ plus community, would you mind sharing with us why you identify as a member of this community? I think I was about 33 and a third

when I came to terms with the fact that I'm a B. I put the B in the LGBTQ. There you go. Right. There you go. That's why. I read this Rolling Stone article recently about how people, historic, not even long history, I'm talking like in the past decade, that people aren't taking the B very seriously.

Like B, they think maybe you're not really B, you're gay, you're holding on to this or that, or you just want to hold a woman's hand or something. you just you know you're holding on to this or that or you just want to you know hold a woman's hand or something but please tell us uh tell us about identifying as the b bisexual in this community i'm glad you asked and to your point about people thinking what they think it's easier as someone much brighter than i said it's much easier to judge than to think because it's easier. You have to research, read a couple of things like you've done. It's just easier to say, oh, no, that it's a stepping stone to coming out fully as a gay person. read about and that has happened and that is scientifically sound where they got hetero men and uh and people who identify as hetero men who meaning they only like to be with women sexually attracted to women and gay men who were exclusively attracted to men and then the ones among us who

identified as bisexual and this was quite some years ago um who said they were attracted to both so how do you figure that out they said well we'll put a sensor on your on your penis quite literally did they do that yes and then and then show you images show all of these these three groups images of men and womenotic images, pornographic images as it were, and see if there was a reaction and see what the reactions were. And it bared out that the gay men reacted positively to the, and the hetero to, and the bi to both. It was like, Oh, well, there it is. You think that there was like hetero men that were like sweating during that?

I suspect there was, there was certainly a handful that were, that were like sweating during that like i suspect there was there was certainly a handful that were that were caught as like we were trying to disassociate and think about doing their taxes like baseball hockey hockey baseball taxes etc i bet i've always been attracted to both and uh you know it took me 33 years to come to terms with that. Well, I remember sometimes I'll listen to the Dan Savage podcast, who we all know from the second last page of Now magazine for many years. But he was very vocal for a lot of years,

I feel like, being in the chorus where he was a non-believer in, especially men, being bisexual. And he's since kind of seen the light or whatever and been very accountable but he even someone like that is in like the sex advice bracket was out even in denial which is kind of like shocking in hindsight because he's just of all people and he's a gay man himself that he wouldn't believe that and i really think it speaks to that simple opinion that it's just easier to go with the crowd that says, oh, obviously it's... And being a gay man that he is, he'd like to think that men weren't

representing themselves honestly, and they were doing a disservice to the gay community. And they would be if they weren't representing themselves honestly but i think that everything that can be is everything everyone exists and we're learning that more by the expansion of lgbtq to be more inclusive than that even so what the funniest thing a guy said to me the other day he said what happened to the old gay he goes goes, so a man wants to become, a male gender wants to become female gender, but is attracted to women. What, how has that even happened? He said, and I said, everything that can happen does happen because you don't understand it. Don't question it. Don't mock what you don't understand.

Well, I mean, it's funny that you should say that because literally, you know, over the last, I would say 10, 15 years, obviously the world has changed a lot for the better. It's still a lot of work to go a lot a lot of ways to go but just from growing up in the 80s and 90s you know wasn't like that you know like i went to high school where i didn't know anybody that was out of the closet i didn't meet anybody that was out of the closet that was my age until i moved to los angeles and it like blew my mind how it was like holy shit this is great like people are just themselves but you know it was even on tv like the punchline the gay guy on tv was like a the punchline of the joke or the wacky character

you know the representation just was not was just shitty for so long and just doing research for this show on a bunch of the artists these legacy artists that i'm sure we're all gonna pick through a lot of them fall under that category that you spoke of where like they were like not coming out of the closet or like pretending that they weren't gay or whatever you know because society was just a piece of shit back then um yeah yeah unenlightened but you know what a lot of those of us who identify were kind of in that same category we weren't we weren't that supportive of each other or even ourselves it took a lot of time you know a rising tide raises all boats and i'm really thrilled that people that were afraid for their lives literally are now at least able to although we're lucky because we're

in major cities i mean i'm in a smaller town now but i'm you know from toronto there's still a most of the world is still not with us of course not but i think like generationally speaking like that greatest generation you know where like the women is cooking and the man is out working type of attitude that a lot of like politicians are still of that age and mindset i think that's going away more. And like the new, the future is very bright because I see, you know, a lot more acceptance for sure. Especially like in mainstream media, pop culture, brands, like gay is very much cool. You know what I mean?

Which is awesome. But it's also like, how did we get here? That's like years and years of terrible to get here. Yeah, absolutely. People talk about Stonewall. People talk about the pushing back among the gay and marginalized contingencies of the world and saying enough is enough. And, and, and we're, we're really benefiting from the early adopters of,

fuck you, we're pushing back and saying, we're okay. Aren't we? We are. So I'm really thrilled. And people are like, well, why are you going on and talking about this stuff? Because if it helps somebody else. That's all that matters. Right?

Especially the B, Jeff, the B. We need more role models in the b i feel like when you you know you do your 2s lgbtq plus uh more male role models uh particularly in the b i think would help people feel more comfortable coming out and on that note why is it okay why is it okay like if a girl is bisexual everyone's like oh that's awesome and if it's like a guy is bisexual everyone's like oh that's awesome and it's like a guy is bisexual they're like i've given that a lot of thought that that double standard is really incredible and i think largely it's the meathead guys who really put themselves in the scenario of the patriarchy says wow i like the idea of two girls together they put themselves in that they make it about themselves so that's more acceptable but they're like god i don't want to be with the guys.

That can't even be a thing. Or I'd feel it. It's a crazy double standard, but it's it's that's not one that's going to go over. Go away. Rather. Yeah. Jeff, when you first disclosed publicly that you were bisexual, were you concerned at all with any backlash in the rock and roll community?

Were you at all? Because I know you're popular with the biker guys and all this. concerned at all with any backlash in the rock and roll community were you at all because i know you're popular with the the biker guys and all this like were you at all worried they'd uh there would be any backlash at all no not at all i guess i guess timing is everything a i was in my 50s as i am now silver fox took a long time to come yeah to come to that you know understanding of myself that it's okay to be you know who I am but the other thing was although I think they'd use it to their advantage now I was working for a corporation for a long time chorus radio for 18 years and probably at the beginning

of that they would have not liked it because I might have jeopardized my following I suspect now if I were still working for a big corporation, they'd be like, can you, can you come out? This is good for us. Cause you'd be head head of programming. Right. I just think it's good to be, to be who you are, if you can. And if you're not at risk and I didn't feel I was at risk to your point, Mike, thanks for asking.

Cause you mentioned 33 and a third, but you're in your fifties when you come clean and was it, but you're in your 50s when you come clean. And was it on my show where you first came out? It was indeed. Yeah, you have that. I'm honored. I'm honored. Wow.

Look at that. That's, look. But I think it was, you know, we had a good time chatting and you were cool. And I thought this is a good time. Dude, I'm proud of you. And I'm glad you did that because it makes it easier for the the next person to be themselves i just want to like ask one follow-up question before we start playing oh yeah because he's got a jam but go ahead stew

yeah i mean it's just like why does it i understand like for the cause it's important for people to stand up and be role models but like why does it matter for people to know someone's sexuality? Like, why does that have to be a defining thing? I've worked with some artists that were gay that wanted to put that on the forefront of their packaging. And I'm like, why? Like, why does your sexuality have anything

to do with your music? Like, and so are we going to go forward to go backwards? Like, how does, is there going to be a time where like who cares what your sexual preferences? I do think so. And, and it's evidenced in my life by my, I have a partner and I'm monogamous and I'm loyal because, you know, sexual proclivity doesn't, you navigate and negotiate your relationship. So I have, I have a girlfriend and her kids, none of this matters to them.

And they're range in age from nine to 16. And it's not even a, it's not even a consideration. They don't go and talk about it as a, as an issue. They're like, Oh yeah, he likes girls. She likes girls. He likes boys and girls. It's all modern family, the modern family i love that so when they're our age and having kids and they'll be as cool as they are it is going away but in some pockets of course in north america even it's going to be a slower uh tide turn than i i think it's like crazy because when you really take a step back and think about like it's

like okay so this person likes you know like at an anatomical level like this person likes penises and vagina like like who cares great okay right awesome like does that mean that they're not qualified to do a job now or is there are well anything that makes anyone uncomfortable usually speaks to why are you uncomfortable about it why thou protest too much and that's a whole other and we might we might talk about some of these artists and maybe this is going into the tunes but like I think of someone like Michael Stipe from REM who like just seemed to get hounded over the years to like address his sexuality and I just don't think like maybe he's just private I don't know like I get he wants to be like a rock star and he's super famous but

he wanted to be relevant. He wanted to be known for his music and his movies which were of great quality. I remember how he answered it though eventually and I loved it. Yes, I have enjoyed sex with both men and women. Right. And then people left him alone. It's like the David Bowie

answer. Are you ready to kick out your first? Remember that? What about that band? There was a heavy metal band. Rob Halford. Rob Halford at Judas Priest. And then he came out and was like, they kicked him out of the band type shit, right? And it was like, how didn't they know with all that leather?

That was the fun thing about it. Riding crop in the leather. Who else? Billy Joe Armstrong from Green Day. Really? I didn't know that. leather that was the fun thing about it a riding crop in the leather who else uh billy joe armstrong from from green day really i didn't know that gavin rostell from bush bye oh look at you just dropping dimes i think that i think that like though like like i said someday this won't matter hopefully and like there's still like click baitness about people's you know people want to know everything about celebrities and their sexual life is definitely a part of that clickbaitness but again i hope the future generations like sexual preference like who cares that's what i hope i i

think that it's it's on the way bullet foreseeable and on the way yeah great yeah jeff woods this this podcast will be a big uh impotence changing all the culture is the trouble people can get past the first 20 minutes of dribble to get to this no i know it's good it's a good conversation it's good to get perspectives from people who aren't too allegedly allegedly one never knows yeah tell me mike what's up are you ready to kick out the first jam tonight? I think we should do it. Should we go back to the winter of 74? Got your mother in the world

She's not sure if you're a boy or a girl Hey, babe, your hair's all right Hey, babe, let's go out tonight You like me and I like it all We like dancing and we look divine You love bands when they play it hard You want more And you want it more

Put your down Say I'm gone Attack it then Put them on Rebel, rebel Put on your dress Rebel, rebel Your face is a mess

Rebel, rebel Have your face is a mess Rebel, rebel, I could game you Hot tramp, I love you so What a start. Jeff, tell us in that fantastic voice of yours why you chose David Bowie's Rebel Rebel. And pardon me while I melt. There were so many things, but a lot of them were actually, you know,

David Bowie. I was thinking Lou Reed, Walking the Wild Side, but I thought Rebel Rebel's just got more tempo and more life, and we had more fun listening to it, apparently. I don't know. Bowie's my favorite. He was my favorite interviewer, my favorite rock star,

I think the most intelligent. And yet a regular bloke in the way he speaks to people. He was a sweet man to chat with, and he was open and kind and intelligent. And that song, to me, it's like it speaks to who I am. I think a rebel at heart for even bothering to look deep and then expose myself as I have a few years ago. I guess it was 2017. Metaphorically speaking, of course.

As it were. I'm wearing pants now. I love that song, 1974, Diamond Dogs. The coolest thing about the Diamond Dogs record and that song is that David was playing guitar. He always had heavy hitters. He had Mick Ronson for the Spiders from Mars years, later Stevie Ray Vaughan and everybody in between. It's so many great guitar players who really influenced him. But more often than not, he had a great influence over them because they became

stars under the David Bowie banner. But he went and played lead not only on the album, but on tour. And he never fancied himself a great guitar player, but that's pretty goddamn good. Wow. Yeah, there's something about that song. Like, I always kind of looked at this song as, like, a good companion piece to Satisfaction by the Rolling Stones. Yeah, that's a great go-to.

It's like a lick that's repeated. There's just like there's so much similarities but yeah, between the songs. In the studio, I'm sorry, tell me. What did you say? I was just saying it's a very simple song too, which I think is part of its beauty too. It just like kicks ass like it is what it is. It's one of the best songs.

When he found that riff, he's like this is a gift from it is what it is it's like a lot of songs when he found that riff he's like this is a gift from god somehow this is just perfect but he did say to the guys in the studio when they recorded it uh stones think mick think the stones this is always kind of struck me as like uh and then of course him and mick had their whole thing together which is incredible yeah not only that but as as Keith revealed in his autobiography how everything that Bowie did, Mick watched closely, particularly how he performed

on stage. For sure. What's David doing now? I have to do that or do better. It's pretty great. There's a lot of great footage. It's still groundbreaking, David Bowie for sure. I mean, his influence is still being felt to this day. Just look around on the pop scene. It's still very much like a David Bowie world that we're in.

Totally. Jeff, when did you interview him? Was it just the one time, or did you get... I interviewed him 2002 and 2003. There were two key times that we did interviews and other times we just hung out. But 2002, Heathen, he was coming back with producer Tony Visconti, kind of a reunion record. And he was on fire and he was so happy to be recording and releasing with Sony.

The Sony people had embraced him and he was just really excited about it. So we spoke for about an hour in New York. That's so cool. You know, Jeff, I got to thank you again because I could cry right now. Can I ask him a quick question? Just a quick question, unrelated to David Bowie. Okay, get in there quick, because I got to make a very important point. Go ahead, my buddy.

Thoughts on the band Toto? Great studio players, incredible records. If I hear them on the radio, I'm like, that's so much quality. I don't need to hear it again, though, but there it is. There it is. Well said. Okay, so there's a live chat going on and I'm not

going to name any names. I'm not going to identify any specifics, but people are sharing stories of their loved ones coming out as bisexual or gay. I realize it's people like you, Jeff, that have made it so easy for our... I got four kids. If one comes out, it's going to

be effortless and it's because of people like you who had the courage to say, this is who I am. And we love you for it, man. So I just want to say kudos to you one more time for, for being yourself and, and sharing with us.

And it's, it's, it's awesome. Thank you. Thanks for the opportunity. I feel like a late comer as it were, but I'm happy to be here. Better late than never.

A late bloomer still blooms, my friend. Thank you. And Jeff, it's really nice to meet you, Jeff. It's my pleasure to meet each of you. Yeah, this is awesome. So the drill is, Jeff, if you've got to go, I mean, I will say congrats. I see photos of your girlfriend on the social media.

You're doing very well. You must be a very happy man there. I'm a thrilled man, and I'm thrilled to say this. This is important. Before you get into a relationship tell your significant hopeful significant other who you are so we don't get down the road and they're like why didn't you tell me I told her before we you know did what we did amazing right before so jeff you're thanks again man honestly like a true honor like we're total total fans cam and i so we're very excited absolutely records and rock stars everybody if you want to hear this voice more often just subscribe to the podcast man jeff you're amazing buddy i'm glad i got to know you you're the best back at you. I look forward to seeing you.

All right. Peace and love to you, my friend. You set us off right here today. Cheers. Jeff Woods, everybody. That's, you know, I was going to say, I'm going to, I'll bump him into the waiting room. So it's not awkward. Cause we're going to talk about him now. How is he not the lead on like a soap opera, like the male lead, like with that voice. All right. We're going to really talk about you now.

So peace and love to you, Jeff. I'm going to put you in the waiting room. Bye. Bye. That was great. Okay, and I got to change this view here. I think it changed the views. Let me do that.

Okay, here we are. We're back. There we go. Wow. Put it open, man. That was a big surprise. That's a great, what a voice, man. And just like, it's like him and, have him and Alan cross ever gotten in a fight before.

Probably because they were both at chorus together. I bet you there were some fights between Alan cross at CF and Y and Jeff Woods on Q107. Who has the better set of pipes? The battle of the voices. So here, how do, where do we go from there?

But, uh, I'm, I'm glad he did that. And, uh, I'm that story. And again, i'm not identifying

anybody but there are loved ones of fotms who are sharing their story right now and i'm just catching up a little bit in my to my right here and brings a tear to my eyes like jeff you're a real jerk i don't like the way you are saying things uh al fuck off like that's the fight between the two of them that's my impression right uh technical production by robbie jay okay so cam the floor is yours brother you're gonna set up your first jam yeah absolutely um so yeah i i originally had a track we were gonna start with and then mike uh i guess it was a bit of a no-brainer because it was one that there was a conflict but i just went moved i feel like to uh to over to the right but perhaps a contemporary of this band and uh i think another good choice to kick off this better be in topic here we go buddy i should do green day now like now we know some other

yeah actually i knew that though billy joe came out as bisexual i had uh read that several years ago i think but very good god bless see this is a good sign where i don't even know this it's like well that's where we're going with this uh i always think of fotm uh scott macarthur and like how big a news story that was that a toronto sports media personality had come out as a proud gay man and at some point that's not going to even be worthy of more than uh like more than a tweet like at some point that's going to be just commonplace and people are going to be like okay that's nice but that was a big deal because he was the first guy to come out as gay in this there was a an NFL player who just came out as the only gay play like

again that i saw a lot of headlines about that it's like can we just get over it like this is there's so many other things to do like it's i don't know yeah it's like great again great okay love who you want to love and uh i'm i'm here to support you uh you know consenting adults it's all good are you ready for your first? Go ahead. Yeah, I just have one piece of advice for everyone. And it's actually the name of this song. You're too young Wait now Whoa

Wait now Relax, don't you rest When you wanna go to rest Relax, don't you it, when you want to go to it. Relax, don't do it, when you want to come. Relax, don't do it, when you want to suck it to it. Relax, don't do it, when you want to come. When you want to come. Okay, that of course is Frankie Goes to Hollywood Relax,

a new wave classic, definitely one you would hear at Club 102 Retro Night. I think Lake Great Martin Street would no doubt be kicking that out. So let's talk about Frankie Goes to Hollywood. This was a big hit, number one hit in the UK, France, Germany, Israel, and Thailand, amongst other countries. Interestingly, in the US, it's only went to number 10, and in Canada, even a bit lower. That surprises me.

Yeah. I mean, perhaps. I think you could have done a better job setting that fun fact up, but go ahead. Okay. Well, thank you. Thank you for that. From October 1983,

this song famously banned by the bbc due to it's uh supposedly provocative content we'll get to that in a second but before we do let's just get right into the esri geography corner so do you guys know where frankie goes all the way there from obviously a british band i don't know where they're from in England. You know, I'm going to call Mike Rogowski unless you want to tell us. No, I'll tell you. So they're actually from Liverpool. Oh.

Is there anybody else from there? As a matter of fact, there are. There's obviously The Obvious One, which would be, you don't have to say who, the most famous band from Liverpool. The Ruttles. 100%. You also got Echo and the Bunnymen. You got The Laws, who I feel like we've heard a little.

There she goes. The Boo Radleys. Those are one you'd hear that name on Live in Toronto. A band that were very ahead of their time in hindsight. A band called Clinic. Do you remember the band Clinic? They would all perform in like surgical masks on stage so very good for the pandemic era and then a couple of bands with

close ties to uh football as as the brits call it or soccer are you guys watching the euros i am england with a big win yeah i just want to congratulate Ian Service's team, England, for beating Germany today 2-0. At least it was 2-0 when I stopped watching. I believe that was a final. It was 2-0. It was 2-0. Yeah, but big win. I think Harry Kane.

Harry Kane! Historically speaking, that's a rare win for England over Germany. I made that joke before you showed up in the Zoom that they got him in World War I, II, and now again today. Anyway, a band that put out, I think it was like England's World Cup anthem in 92. I feel like we talked about this band, the Lightning Seeds, the song Three Lions.

Yeah, we kicked it out with Sports Jams. I brought that one because that was, I think, did we just come off a World Cup or something? But that song was stuck in my head. Yeah, that sounds familiar. And then a band that has sort of the anthem of Liverpool, uh, whatever their,

what's their team called? Liverpool. Like their protein. Yeah. Somebody, somebody will put it in the chat here. I'm sure maybe, uh,

in service, but anyway, the, the song is, uh, you'll never walk alone by Jerry and the pacemakers. So anyway, all the Liverpool bands.

Let's get back to Frankie. Goes to Hollywood. Very much into like mass marketing of this. A lot of explicitly gay imagery and a lot of the advertising and whatnot. There's the whole Frankie Says campaign. This band was like the biggest band in England for about two years, but

had a very short shelf life. They only had two albums and only seven singles their entire career. I can only remember two as we speak right now. Like, Frank, relax and welcome to the Pleasure Dome. Yeah, there was also a song called Two Tribes. When Two

Tribes Go to War, which was actually their biggest Canadian hit. And then a big power ballad, The Power of Love. And not the Huey Lewis. I do remember now you mentioned it. The Power of Love. Oh, that's it. The Power of Love. Yes, yes.

Wait. Liverpool FC is the creative name of that football club. Liverpool FC. Liverpool FC. Liverpool FC. Very good. It's so funny, and I'm sure this is going to come up again and again, but specifically with these, like, 80s artists, I remember, like, loving these bands and having no clue what any of this

shit was about. It was just the music for me, and I loved Frankie Goes to Hollywood. I had no idea what's gay, straight, any of it. I just liked the song, and I liked the video, and it was futuristic sounding, and, any of it. I just liked the song and I liked the video and it was futuristic sounding and I just loved it and had no idea that what any of it was. When you want to come.

Hey, do you guys remember, okay, so they had the shirts that said Frankie says relax or whatever, but what was the wake me up before you go go shirt? What was the shirt that they were wearing, Wham was wearing in that video? We'll get to that, Mike. Did it say choose life? There was like right

there was like a battle of the t-shirts like i know now there's a toronto mic t-shirt versus the produce stand t-shirt like there's a bit of a battle going on in the streets of the toronto but that was sort of the battle of the t-shirts at the in the yeah by the way mike a complete aside do you do you make money for the swag yourself Yeah, there's like a small little stip in that. It's very tiny little amount. Not steak dinner money though. Yeah. One day we'll tell that story. I do quite like those mugs.

A final couple of comments about Frankie Goes to Hollywood. Their singer, Holly Johnson. Not to be mistaken by Mike's arch nemesis, Molly Johnson. He had a solo career. He had a song called Love Train.

Do you remember this? They used to play this on Much Music back in the day. Love Train. Yeah. Anyway, that song featured a guitar work from Brian May, of all people. Well, there's a band that would qualify tonight. Queen. And final, this is not a fun fact,

but Holly Johnson actually came out as HIV positive in 1991. The opposite of a fun fact. Complete coincidence the same year another famous Johnson came out as HIV positive. That's, of course, Magic Johnson. Right. And the great

thing is both Holly and Magic are still with us many, many years later. Stu, and the great thing is both Holly and magic are still with us many, many years later. Stu, did you ever hang with magic in your LA years? Did you ever hang out with magic Johnson? I mean, I've been in the same place as him, like maybe shook his hand, but like, not like, Hey, Stu, Hey magic, nothing like that. But I definitely like, he was sitting like two rows in front of me at a thing or we were in the same room but you shook his hand because i feel like you'd remember okay that's a big deal that's a big deal his hand is massive by the way so we can only imagine what his magic

constant looks like there you go all right frankie goes to hollywood great jam uh any more fun facts are you ready for my first jam uh no yeah let's let's hear what you got let's do it let's do it Cranberries should be consumed by these guys. The youth of the Ouse. Breathe it in and breathe it out and pass it on.

It's almost out. We're so creative, so much more. We're high above, but on the floor. It's not a habit, it's cool. I feel alive. If you don't have it, you're on the other side. The deeper you stick it in There's no more pain. I'm in heaven. I'm a god. I'm everywhere. I feel so hot.

It's not a habit. It's cool. I feel alive. If you don't have it, you're on the other side I'm not an addict, maybe that's a lie Guys, honestly, I absolutely love this song. This is kind of a one-hit wonder, it not i think uh without a doubt i'd say without a doubt k's choice okay so they're k's choice because they were originally this band

which is by the way a belgian rock band from uh antwerp in belgium i mean so they got a good chance in this euro cup uh the belg Belgians took out Portugal the other day. So K's Choice is probably excited about that. But they were called The Choice. And then they heard there was another band by that name. And they just randomly, like they just went through the alphabet and they randomly chose the letter K to come up with K's Choice. When this was a current jam,

because I would hear this all the time on you know 102.1 The Edge and I loved it from day one like I just love this song Not An Addict what do you guys think of this jam yeah it's a fine very much of the era like definitely has that late 90s

modern rock radio grunge kind of stuff, you know, where everybody dressed like they were broken on drugs. That was like the fashions. Right. Dirty hair and shit around your waist. You know, we all did that. Listen, this was a song that, again,

it's another one of those songs that, like, I probably didn't even realize what it was about or the subject matter was until i was much older um i actually feel like we've played this on pandemic friday before but i guess we haven't i checked it's definitely a good song and a good message and uh you know with the different uh drug problems that are going on it's good for people to hear a song like this that might be, will inspire them to clean up their act. So this is from 95, and the album's called Paradise and Me, and K's Choice.

This is, of course, not an addict, and this was the first single from the album, which was an international hit, the most popular song that K's Choice ever put out. And, man, if you want to know why is mike playing k's choice like how does k's choice qualify for jams from the 2s lgbtq plus community the lead singer came out as a transgender man his name is now sam bettans so the lead singer is Sam Bettens a transgender man

came out in May 2019 I read something like that about Terrence Trent Darby am I wrong? does Terrence Trent Darby did he become a female? I don't know I have no idea

I'll have to do a little googling on that one. I swear I heard that. I'll have to look into that one there. We could have played Wishing Well or Sign Your Name Across My Heart. We fucked that up. Sign Your Name Across My Heart. I did hear that artist and again, I don't know that artist's gender now that you put it into question, but Terrence Trent

Darby was a bit of an asshole at the time and a lot of people were kind of happy that there were no future hits from that artist. I did read like apparently, but maybe that person was an asshole because of an, because they weren't themselves. And maybe they're more at peace with themselves.

We have to find out if this is a true story. He's got to fucking do the research. Yeah. I have a name. I want to share someone whose career fell apart in canada because they were allegedly an asshole but i don't want to say it on air because i feel like we're only like one degree removed from anybody in the canadian music industry okay you're talking about doo-doo no of course but doo-doo is beloved doo-doo musician doo-doo steals the show in billy

madison so just you know steals the show as far as I'm concerned. Okay. Stu, set up your first jam, my friend. Yeah, I have sort of like a lesser known sort of artist that you wouldn't necessarily expect to be played on a show like this with this topic. And it's probably going to surprise a few people even to hear this artist's music. But, you know, I'm here to shock people and win rounds,

no matter what the topic is. So go ahead, Mike, and spin this rarity. Rarity. When are you gonna come down? When are you going to land? I should have stayed on the farm I should have listened to my own mind And now you can't hold me forever I didn't sign up for you I'm not a present for your friends to open This boy's too young to be singing So goodbye yellow big road Where the dogs all society howl

You can't plant me in your penthouse I'm going back to my plow Back to howling all out in the woods Hunting a horn in my tow Yes. Yes. Goodbye, Yellow Brick Road, a song popularized by many contestants on American Idol and The Voice over the years, but originally performed by Elton John, if you can believe that.

Wow. Elton John, of course, another one of these guys that, you know, didn't like rush out of the closet, despite people maybe suspecting or not suspecting, obviously a different time period. I'm sure a lot of the artists were talking about it was a different era, different times. Maybe things would be different now if Elton John came around. Now look at Lil Nas X or some of these other artists that are opening big.

There's a lot more. I don't give a fuck. Sam Smith is a good example. Sam Smith is a non-binary for Sam. Goodbye, Yellow Brick Road is considered by most to be Elton John's finest song ever. Despite the fact that Rolling Stone lists the song at number 390 in its 500 greatest songs of all time, they call it his best song ever. So Elton John's best song that he ever did is only, there's 389 songs better than this.

There's a lot of great songs out there, Stu. A lot of great songs. I mean, it's a pretty good song. Rusty's got to be up there. It reached all the way to number one in Canada. But where did it land on the Billboard Hot 100? Number four. Cam?

I'd say like 18. Number two. Oh, I was close. I was close. Okay. I'm Alan Cross. That was that. Listen, Delton John has been married to women and divorced to women.

And his writing partner, Bernie, there's been stories. I mean, if you watch that Rocket Man fiasco of a film. You didn't like it? Maybe I liked it. I didn't love it, but I like the music. Sure. I just, I don't know. I'm just like, I like my music, like musicals are tough for me.

Like I like going to see them in the theater, but like, you know, musicals are tough for me to wrap my like two hours behind. I guess I like that Baz Luhrmann one, which is that, or did I say that? Moulin Rouge. Yeah, Moulin Rouge. That was a good one. And of course, I grew up on Grease and Rocky Horror Picture Show and Little Shop of Horrors.

Those were great. But it's just like I didn't see Chicago and I didn't I saw this Rocketman and the Queen movie was there was a lot more acting. It seemed like the Elton thing was anyway movie aside. Whose phone is that? Whose phone is that? Whose phone is that?

It's Jeff Woods calling me to complain about my pick. I wanted to say that, you know, despite that, you can kind of watch that movie if you want to hear the backstory on Elton coming out, not coming out. Inevitably, in the early 90s, he did face the music and came out and said that in 1992, he said that he was quite comfortable about being gay. He sort of was more open about his relationship. I believe Elton comes out as bisexual much earlier than that. Yeah, first. Right. Yes.

And that's a running gag with all of these artists that they first tiptoe their way out as bi first, because maybe it's easier to swallow that way. I believe that this really hurt his commercial sales. Like I do believe that it impacted his career quite severely when he came out as bisexual. Well, apparently it didn't because he's still going and he's still. No, it recovered and recovered,

but he was literally like he had an Imperial period in the seventies where he was the top hit No, it recovered. It recovered. But he was literally... He had an imperial period in the 70s where he was the top hitmaker. He came back in that 80s... Oh, yeah, yeah, sure. But still, there's a period of time where his career suffers because he comes out. And that's the reason... I believe that's the reason George Michael

does not come out for a long time, which maybe will be discussed later in this episode, because he saw what happened to Elton John's career and he realized that you suffer commercially at this point in our history. At that point, it was not good for sales to come out as a gay man. I feel like George Michael,

and again, maybe we'll get to this, but was almost forced to come out. He got arrested. He got pissed about it. He was in the washroom in LA and again maybe we'll get to this but was almost forced to come out was kind of like he got like arrested like kind of pissed about it and rightfully so yeah like he's in the washroom in la and i again i feel like we might um later i was gonna say i'm just glad elton john came back in time to write the original city line theme i'm still standing uh you know there's also like a period of time where elton john was like sort of speaking up, speaking out against gay marriage. He was against it at first, but he's come around since, which is good to hear.

And, you know, listen, Elton John is a legendary performer. I mean, his catalog is fucking insane of songs, especially in the 70s. You know, how could you not have a show like this without having Elton represented? This is my favorite song of his. Shout out to Elton Jean. A couple of fun... Go ahead, Cam.

It's from Scarborough, right? They have a house out in Uxbridge. Is that around Caledon? Somebody in the chat says around Caledon they got a house out in Uxbridge. Oh. Okay, yes. Is that around Caledon? Somebody in the chat says around Caledon they got a house. Because where we were filming Faking a Murderer and the Scarecrow's movie, we would drive by Elton John's house all the time

and the person was like, that's Elton John's. Everybody around there tells you that that's Elton John's house. And it's this massive property with like a house way up with nothing around. You can't get near the fucking place you need a drone to get some pics in there reginald kenneth dwight of course is elton john's real name that's a fun fact for you i'm just reading the chat so again uh we're live on live

dot toronto mike.com and i am reading the comments maybe i can can take a moment to just shout out people who have been commenting. Canada Kev, the brother. We got VP of Sales. We got Ian Service. Al the Royal Pain is kicking ass, taking names. Double D, who thinks I can buy a Maserati with the money I'm making on the T-shirt sales. Go to torontomike.com and click Tees at the top. Moose Grumpy, of course, is in the chat here today. Beck, nice to see you there. A whole bunch more here. Hold on. I'm just scrolling up

to grab a couple more. Stu Stone is in the chat. Nice to see you there. And now the page has jumped. But Cambrio and Neil is in the chat. And everybody's welcome. And we only have eight of these left. So, you know, when you find out when we're recording, get your ass to live.torontomic.com and engage, man. It makes it even more fun for us. So good jam, Stu. That's a great song, great artist.

And glad you kicked out some Elton. Thank you. Thank you. Cam Brio says you've won. Actually, he didn't, but I'm just reading his mind. He's probably got his victory here Cam you want to

Darby News was wrong let's clarify that before we cause some it definitely was an urban legend that I remember hearing a bunch but maybe it's not real he did change his name though maybe that's where the conflation happened so it's

Sananda Matreya. I hope I did not butcher that too much. So he changed his name, but he did not transition. Well, that's according to Canada Kev. That's VP of sales. That's VP of sales who's done the homework on that. VP of sales who also hasn't. He's a key fact checker.

He does his homework, that man. That man's been helpful. What would you like to say, Cam Gordon, before your second chance? This has nothing to do with this episode, but PSA, can people please stop emailing me their Twitter account issues? Not an FOTM.

Sorry, I'm just dealing with a work thing. Is it an FOTM? No, no, no. Okay, then fuck that. Sorry, I'm just dealing with a work thing. Is it an FOTM? Is it an FOTM? No, no, no. Okay, then fuck that. It's unbelievable. While you mention that, while you deal with your work thing,

I want to tell a little story here, Mike. My nephews had discovered Andrew Dice Clay over the last... Hickory dickory dock. Right. So they were listening to Andrew Dice Clay, and it was shocking to hear what was coming out of Andrew Dice Clay's mouth in today's climate. And I'm trying to remember a time when I knew every word to that album and thought it was the greatest thing ever. And now I'm just like so appalled that like, how is that even happening? even happening. Interesting you mention that because I went back at some point in the last couple years, I went back to

Eddie Murphy, Delirious and Raw. I watched them both. Honestly, I couldn't enjoy it because of the F word that was being used so liberally. I'm not talking fuck.

Considering what Eddie got pulled over for. Okay, but regardless, his use of the f word as a slur for homosexual people uh is highly offensive different time different era not that that doesn't make it right but i remember on the schoolyard not even knowing what that meant and people would call you that or say that it would be like that was it was like a it was just like nobody told us any different that's that word because the other time i also so i just recently watched uh because i had due to the clown on my program i recently watched billy madison no i didn't say he did but i recently watched billy madison and it was pretty safe so i let the seven-year-old kind of watch it with my oldest in

me and we were kind of watching and And then the R word, okay? There's a scene where they call some kid, I think he's the R word. And this is a huge funny ha-ha that he called him the R word or whatever. And that term, I mean, the F word is a homophobic slur. No place in today's society. Get that garbage out of here.

But that R word too, man. Hearing the R word is jolting now. Like what? As much as Andrew guys clay like didn't hold up i put on the movie i've told you this story before but like try watching porky's the first like 15 minutes of the movie you're gonna turn it off and blush at like you can't there's like k words n words f words every word you can imagine in that movie. It's like the 50s, right? It's crazy. Was Porky based in the 50s? I think so. I remember it being the 50s

or 60s. Sorry, before you leave 80s comedy, before I go to bed, I always watch YouTube. Dickery, dickery, dog. Okay, let me fish um w suggested oh my god can i finish the sentence please sorry i've lost my train you watch youtube you and mf watch okay yeah i remember now

i remember i i got suggested a video by Sam Kinison, his version of Wild Thing. Why am I not aware this exists? I remember it. Billy Idol's in it. There's sexy babes in it. Peak Sam Kinison is when he plays

the Christmas Carol thing they did on the Bundys. Married with Children. And he played the ghost of Christmas past and future. Do you ever see this episode of Married with Children? No. It did suggest to me after I watched Wild Thing

him in the movie Back to School. Yeah, okay. That's Rodney Dangerfield. I guess he's got a cameo in there. Anyway, Sam Kandison in this episode of Married with Children is pretty classic. I just want to shout out to Bud Bundy. I know Stu could have been Bud Bundy. I feel like he auditioned for that.

You know, actually, one of the parts that I had gotten the part of when I first moved to L.A. was to go to the Prom with Kelly Bundy episode that some other kid ends up doing because I couldn't get a visa. I didn't even know what a visa was. Right. That's right. Okay. Cam, set's right. Okay. Camp set up your second jam.

I had a jam. I was going to go with from the same artist, but a different jam. Wait, Eve from married with children was one of the first sort of guys that I remember coming out of the closet, by the way, the guy that played,

he leaves Marcy. Did he leave Marcy because he was gay? Is that right? I think like the real act. Oh, the real actor. Jefferson came in, but I remember that being a thing.

Jefferson was from Revenge of the Nerds, I remember, and Happy Days, as I recall. Stan Gable. He was in a lot of stuff, but he's a jump-the-shark guy. When he shows up, it means your best days are behind you. I don't know. I kind of like when Fonzie becomes

the principal at Happy Days High School. Can I work for you? Sorry, go ahead, Cam. Set up your second jam, Cam. Is MF also listening to the video? She's fast asleep. Marcy Darcy came out as lesbian on the show.

Right, right. Okay. I'll just say half of my picks today were came out as lesbian on the show. Right, right. Okay. Okay. Very good. Okay. Yeah, I'll just say half of my picks today were artists I didn't even realize were part of the community, which I think is refreshing

that, you know, they can be part of the community. It's not a big part of their identity, at least in terms of my cultural view. This is the first one of two in that category. where my Johnny has gone but Judy left the same time why was he holding her hand when he's supposed to be mine

it's my party and I cry if I want to cry if I want to cry if I want to you would cry too if it happened to you so what exactly happens to her to make her cry at the party? Like, is that ever explained? It's, it's, it's, I don't think it's clear other than, you know,

she probably had a little heartbreak, but she was also, I mean, this is of course, Leslie Gore. It's my party. I think she was only like 15 or 16 when she sang this. So, I mean. And this was a style of song back then, right? Like this kind of, you know, like, he's a rebel because he never, never does what he should. Like this kind of narration of your teenage life.

He was afraid to come out of the water. Well, there was some episode I was going to choose the song by The Crystals. He hit me and he felt like a kiss oh we talk about stuff that hasn't aged well like oh my god was that problematic jams that we decided not to do yeah i i think you're right i think it was i had that on my shirt list too that this this is a mind i i think there's a mind blow this one's from april 1963 okay so like 57 years old 58 years old do you know who produced this song phil specter no quincy jones whoa this is the yeah the first ever song quincy jones produced was it's my party

by leslie gore and he's still with us yeah and he later produced he did a version of this song with the amy winehouse uh that i hadn heard before. I gave it a listen on Spotify from an album he put out in 2010, Soul Bossanova. That's his famous song. That's the Austin Powers theme. Yeah, the Definition song. Oh, is that what it's called? That's Soul Bossanova.

That's his famous jam. He also produced Frank Sinatra and all this other shit before he got into Michael. How old is Quincy Jones? He'd probably be 80. He's got to be 108. He's got to be his late 80s, I'd say, for Quincy. Mid to late 80s, I would guess.

Okay. I feel like he's at the no fun. Which was also a great time for Quincy Jones, the mid to late 80s. It was a great time for him as well. Especially in those early 80s too. Hey, Cam, there's a request for us to do a deep dive into Definition. So we've done Tears Are Not Enough.

We did Schools Out, and we should do Definition, the game show. Yeah, I don't know what... Just go in the folder and watch the Search for Canada's game shows. There's an episode on Definition that I'm already in for you. And save yourself having to listen to Cam and Mike talk about it. So, Cam, you want to do it tomorrow? Just kidding. Sure.

Yeah. Sunday night. This song, number one in Canada, number one in the U.S., U.K., Australia, and New Zealand. Big, big hit. Leslie Gore was not the first person to record it. Whoa. It was originally recorded by the Chiffons, who sang One Fine Day and other tracks. Phil Spector actually did do a version of the song with the crystals that came out after the Leslie Gore

version. Here's this week's Northern Lights force fit. In 1977, this song was covered by Carol Baker. Do we remember? Stu, I don't know if you remember Carol Baker. Mike, do you remember Carol Baker. Do we remember? Stu, I don't know. If you remember Carol Baker, Mike, do you remember Carol Baker? I know Cheryl Baker. I was all set for you to say Carol Pope and I was going to... I wish. That would have been good. Okay, picture a Tears Are Not Enough

video, okay? The country music section, you got Romford Rodney Hawkins and two other people. Carol Baker is the woman in that. Wow. Number one country hit in Canada in 1977, the year that myself and maybe Stu... I'm surprised the Good Brothers

weren't involved in that. Speaking of Brother Jams, by the way, I know that this is not necessarily live. Most people will hear it, catch the podcast, but FOTMs are reporting that there's quite the...

Harold Hossain would be proud to know that we're following this weather pattern. I think we're wise to be on Zoom. Crazy storm rolling through, says Moose Grumpy. I'm raining here. It's not raining here, but I don't actually have a window in front of me, so maybe it is. I don't know what I'm talking about. But Ian Service says

just drove through it between Acton and Guelph. It's worth the drive. Anyway, we might have made a wise decision to do this on Zoom. A wise blot decision. I love this. By the way, Cam, I had

Leslie Gore, You Don't Own Me. That would have been another fine choice. I can't imagine. Are you listening to Al Gore? Maybe. Neither of them invented the internet. Here's some fun facts about Leslie Gore.

1982 had a six episode run in All My Children. My mom was a big fan of that show. Yeah, my mom too. My mom too, Stu. We should get them chatting about it. Yeah, well maybe they'll remember the music publicist June Gordan.

I think my mom used to like that character. Erica and June Gordan. And any relation to Cam Gordan? I can't say there is. Cam Gordan. So that was actually 1982. Also 1982 is when she came out and announced she was in a relationship with luxury jewelry designer yeah so that was actually 1982 also 1982

is when she came out and announced she was in a relationship with luxury jewelry designer Lois Sasson which I wonder if this is like sort of a Vidal Sassoon gotta be different spelling and they were

together until 2015 when we lost sadly at the age of 58 sorry 68 to lung cancer still too young okay someone just dropped a picture of Carol Baker oh yeah FOT of Murray McLaughlin and

Robert Rodney Hawkins oh my god who did that that's VP of sales thank you see that guy's worth every penny totally pay him the big bucks I'm gonna be in his gazebo on Monday. Don't be jealous. Give him that steak dinner money. This is a final kind of shitty comment about Leslie Gore. After she passed away,

page six. Do you know page six? Can I ask you, is that New York or is that London? New York. They wrote a really shitty article saying how Leslie Gore only left $50,000 to her partner Lois when she

passed away and actually showed a copy of her will. I'm just like, what the fuck's the matter with you? Public Enemy was going after New York Post back in, I think, Apocalypse 91. They had that don't print bull like the New York Post or whatever. It's like fucking Leslie Gore. I don't think anyone is like clamoring to see her finances.

Like don't be an asshole page six. So anyway, I thought that was shitty, but. Or like page sucks. Am I right? Yeah. No,

well done. Leslie Gore. Uh, great choice. And, uh, yeah, she,

yeah, I hear that. Well done. Any more fun facts about, uh, Leslie? Uh, that... Get that. Yeah, I hear that. Well done. Any more fun facts about Leslie? That's a convenient truth that she's a member of this great community. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, I just learned that for the first time like two days ago. So the more you know.

The more you know. One to grow on. Okay. Are you guys ready to go back to the 80s with me? Always. here we go yeah we've never played this song we just talked about it's the time off the time slow motion I'm sorry. Leave it a morning with everything we own In a little black case Alone on a platform

The wind and the rain on a sad Lonely face And the former will never understand why you had to leave But the answers you seek will never be found at home The love that you need will never be found at home. Run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run away. Run away, turn away, run away, turn away. Still good, man. Still good. Good game.

Woo, and it's powerful. Love that song. But like you, Stu, I'm putting words in your mouth now, but when I was digging this in the mid-'80s, I had no idea what this song was really about. No, of course not. Just a great, like... It was just a good song.

Sure, absolutely. And also, it's just sort of like, it still kind of holds up. You know, it's like, even though it is like 80s electronic instrumentation, it still sounds good. It doesn't sound cheesy. And it's just really just a great song. Great song. Of course, the song is called Small Town Boy

and the band is the British band Bronski Beat. And this jam is from June 1984. It was on their debut album, The Age of Consent, which came out later that year. So the single comes out first and then the album comes out in December. All members of this band were openly gay

and their songs reflected this. So there's a lot of political commentary on gay related issues in the Bronski Beat catalog. Let me just shout out the original lineup. So this is the lineup that's responsible

for most of the hits you know from Bronski Beat including this one. But you got Jimmy Somerville. That's that amazing voice. I'm listening. The note that this gentleman hits. Unbelievable. Like I can only dream. Makes the guy from A-Ha blush.

Right. There's a great range on that guy, too. Jimmy Somerville, and then, of course, Steve Bronski. Not his real name, but he was on keyboards and percussion. And Larry Steinbucket, he's keyboards and percussion. And this song is about a gay teenager leaving his family and fleeing his hometown. Really a powerful song when you listen to it with your adult ears and realize what they're singing about. This isn't just a great dance jam or whatever.

I think there's a lot of songs like that that were probably like Rainbow Connection by Kermit the Frog. Like, you know, maybe that's an anthem because I've heard it performed in a way where... What was our Kermit the Frog debate about again? What were you guys... What were we debating? That he was not a movie's TV star or something like that. Yeah, I think...

Or not a musician. I said he was not primarily a musician. I think it was like actors who sing or something. Yeah, something like... You're known for something other than singing, and then you put out a song, like Eddie Murphy. Speaking of Bronski beat, do you remember the band London Beat? Yes, of course.

I'll be thinking about you. Yeah. One of the best videos ever. Just some of the worst computer animation. I'll be thinking about you. So it's interesting. I chose the radio edit of the song to play but i was enjoying like when i was setting myself up for this episode

there's a 12 inch single version that goes on like oh i bet it is for seven to let that go for 17 minutes or something which is just fucking even better man like and i'm like let's just play 17 minutes of of Small Town Boy by Bronski. But that's the radio edit there. It really is a melancholy song. Oh, yeah. It's just kind of like I have real heaviness. And Stu sort of alluded to it off the top. A very iconic video featuring male divers and sort of conflicted feelings.

Right. Riding on a train. Yeah. I think for three straight guys, we're doing a pretty swell job paying tribute to the, maybe I shouldn't speak for others, but we're paying tribute, of course, to our beloved 2SLGBTQ+. Just in case somebody's joining us now.

Right. Our beloved 2SLGBTQ plus community. And we're kicking out jams for members of this community. And Stu, set up your second jam. I mean, I just want to play great songs. Like, so I picked this one. All right, I'm going to kick it out, but I'm going to say hi quickly to Stephanie Wilkinson

because she joined us. And Steve is here. And Steve says, more Bronski, the better. And Steve remarked on... Don't leave out what else Steve said. I'm going to say it right now. Don't cherry pick Steve's comments. I'm in the mid-sentence here, Stu.

Give me some credit here. He's remarking on your Zoom name, which is Juan Fomke, which, of course, is paying tribute to a couple of FOTMs who are listening to us on the beach right now. I think they're listening to us. They might be listening to us from last week,

but Juan and Levi Fumka are on their vacation up north enjoying Pandemic Friday. In case you needed more evidence of Stu winning this week for my man Steve, this should just put it over the top. All right, here we go. Here we go. Oh, yeah Somebody told me Boy, everything she wants Is everything she sees

I guess I must have loved you Because I said you were the perfect girl for me, baby And now I'm six months older And everything you want and everything you see Is out of reach Not good enough I don't know what the hell You want from me Oh

Uh-huh, uh-huh Uh-huh, uh-huh Uh-huh, uh-huh Uh-huh, uh-huh Uh-huh, uh-huh Uh-huh, uh-huh Uh-huh, uh-huh Uh-huh, uh-huh Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Come on, Mike. Somebody tell me

Why I worked so hard for you To give you money All right. Happy we got that in. Of course, another great song that holds up. Timeless kind of jam. Banger. Certified banger, according to the FOSSs out there.

We're listening to Wham, Everything She Wants. And it's another one of those songs cam that we're attracted to for some reason with it's at on its surface it's just this nice pop song but it's actually like quite a different story when you listen to the lyrics of the song it's quite a melancholy kind of song about someone who's like trapped in a relationship and the partner gets pregnant and it's a loveless marriage and blah blah blah You wouldn't know any of that because it's just this catchy pop song, right? You got to love when that happens, as we usually do. I'm speaking on behalf of Tim.

I'm just assuming that he likes tricky, melancholy songs, right? Yeah, I like songs where there's some... Substance. Not always, though. I like the light stuff, too. The popcorn. Well, some fun facts about Wham!, which of course we're talking about the great

George Michael and we already have spoken about him many times when my two asshole co-hosts buried the lead on George Michael. And Andrew Ridgely, I mean, you talk about hits. They came out of the gate swinging with hits

to the point where when George Michael sort of had enough because he'd been writing all the songs, whatever, he went solo, the hit train didn't stop. There's at least like a 10-year run where George Michael was as big as Prince and Michael Jackson and Madonna, any of them, George Michael was right up there. And you put that, I would say, from 84 to 94, that time period where you had these massive music superstars, Michael Jackson and all these people I'm talking about,

George Michael's right there with them as far as popularity and sales and all of it. You know, the Faith. You know, Faith, Come on. That album was... Everybody owns that album. Father Figure, I Want Your Sex, Monkey. Father Figure could be...

That could be the best song he's ever done. You know, I just feel like we've already heard it before. Otherwise, I would have played it. But Everything She Wants is a banger in the sense that you can listen to some Whitney Houston songs that you haven't heard in a long time that's you're like oh yeah this shit bangs like that's that's this song to me um here's another thing that we like about songs like this is this is another one of those songs that wasn't supposed to be anything

it was a throwaway song that George Michael wrote and they came in and they sort of threw it together and nobody really liked it. And they ended up putting it out. The record label didn't really like the topic, which is the lyrics are about a man who is six or eight months into a marriage, which obviously isn't going well. He's faced with the happy news of an arriving baby. So he's in that situation. He can't back out.

I mean, that's a pretty heavy story. And, you know, it actually might be a metaphor for george michael and what he's going through because you know he was dating women at that time um it's just a dark song but it's so fucking good but here's how the song gets upstaged mike because uh the b-side are you ready? Yep. Was Last Christmas. So when they serviced this song, Last Christmas becomes this huge hit.

And then when Christmas is over, they just flip the record over. And then this is, it was like almost perfect. It almost worked out perfectly for them to have Last Christmas as the B side. Right. Because it really blew them up. to have Last Christmas as the B-side because it really blew them up. The only reason why this song didn't go to number one in the UK is because of Band-Aid.

Which he's also part of. No. Which George Michael was part of that. He sang and he shines. George Michael and Simon Le Bon, both of them have such distinct voices, both great singers. But, you know, two of the best as far as 80s pop go.

And they're both on there. So maybe Mike and I'll do a deep dive on that. Do you want to do a deep dive with me on the Wham rap? Do you remember the Wham rap? Of course. Get on down. We're going to get on now. It's kind of interesting that one of the first Sort of mainstream pop rap songs Was George Michael rapping As far as his sexuality is concerned George Michael's homosexuality

Became publicly known Following an April 1998 arrest For quote public lewdness In 2007 Michael said that Hiding his sexuality made him feel fraudulent and his eventual outing when he was arrested arrested in 98 was subconsciously a deliberate act uh here's another fun fact about this song uh mc hammer was involved in a lawsuit with another rapper called the legend where mc hammered was being sued by the legend who I don't even know.

I think someone named the legend was suing MC hammer for copying his song or sampling his song without permission. The case ends up becoming this huge case. And it turns out that the legend was actually sampling wham, everything she wants. So maybe that was a John legend. Maybe that was John Legend, maybe. Yeah, could be. So there you go.

I've posted in the chat, if you guys are watching, if you want to know what Wham means to me personally, when you have time, folks, click on that link and you will have a good laugh. Let's do it there. Copy and paste action. And for those of you who are listening and you will have a good laugh. Let's do it there. Copy and paste action. I like that. And for those of you who are listening

that want to know what I'm talking about, just shoot me a tweet to show me that you've made it this far in the episode, and I will be sure to reply with the link that I just provided with the exclusive paywall chatters. I have a Wham question. I was a very big fan of Wham. I had the cassettes and I loved them.

I don't think you were a bigger fan than if you were to click that link when you posted the chat. I don't think you'd bother. But go ahead. Okay. But I have a question about Careless Whisper. Sure.

So Careless Whisper is during the Wham era. But is Careless Whisper a solo song by George Michael, or is that a Wham song? I think it's a Wham song, no? I only ask because... I think it's Wham. I feel like it's a solo song on a Wham album. It says solo song Careless Whisper.

I don't think Ridgely has anything to do with it. Not that he had much to do with any Wham stuff, but a good friend of George's, though. I think Careless Whisperer might be an example of a solo song that actually is on the album, the group's album. I know it's on a Wham album, of course. But it's listed as being written by George Michael and Andrew Ridgely. Oh, okay.

Then I could be very wrong. That's why I'm asking the question here. Careless Whisperer is a song by English singer George Michael. I could be very wrong. That's why I'm asking the question here. There's something. Careless Whisper is a song by English singer George Michael. It was written by Michael and Andrew Ridgely of Wham and was released on the Wham album, Make It Big. I know it's not Make It Big. Make It Big was my favorite Wham album. Scrappy says Wham song.

It is a Wham song. And the Careless Whisper single is a Wham song, but it's just a picture of George Michael looking so beautiful on the cover, so who knows? Okay, because there's something there because, of course, we were led to believe it was a wham song because it was on Make It Big, so of course it's a wham song. But it's also written

by Michael and Andrew Ridgely, so it is a wham song. Hmm. I need to do some digging, but yeah, if it's a wham song, it's a wham song. Okay, very good. Now, glad you kicked out some George Michael. Well done there. I'm glad he did not get Hanson tonight. That's what I'm passionate about.

That would have been terrible. Cam, you want to set up your cam, appropriate considering this artist here. Do you want to set up this third jam? Do you want to set up this third jam? Yeah, I've been trying to keep songs like this to the Twitter exclusives, the PF Pre-Show Rager, but I just thought I'd throw this band in because this is a Toronto band from the early 2000s. I feel like it's very under-remembered.

They're still kind of around. I don't think Stu's going to like this pick, but that's okay. This is a great song. I always loved this band. I still love this band. ¶¶ Thank you. The golden stream In the cold Turns to glass And I stand at ease of cold It turns to ice I stand my knees In front of the golden

stream It's from warm to cold In frightful time In the frozen day of night The golden storm

Builds the golden road And I'm held up high By golden streams Of ice My golden war In our dreams of us, a golden home It's the golden mud, our town high In our dreams of men, golden streams of us We can bring this down. Name a song as Golden Streams.

And I guess this is maybe innuendo by the band The Hidden Cameras. Mike, are you familiar with the music of The Hidden Cameras? Have they ever been picked out? Only by name. Not only by name. I don't think I would have been able to pick out a camera you look you look troubled what's the problem i mean i thought we had like uh got in passes i thought we'd gotten an exorcism to like get this type of behavior

out of your system no disrespect to this band is probably great, but it's like so many classic artists choose from. And you go with something that none of us know, which is fine on brand for you. But I thought we had moved. I thought we got a brand manager and we had gotten this out, but go ahead, Cam, be you buddy.

Thank you. Well, we only, we only have like nine episodes left and Be you, especially in today's episode. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to be me here. I'm going to blame Michael on this because I feel like ever since he had Johnny Dovercourt after, and to me, it was just sort of crossing worlds.

Johnny is someone I know for more kind of like the Toronto indie scene and whatnot. I was probably at a Hidden Cameras concert at some point that Johnny Dovercourt was also at. So now that these worlds have merged, I think this is all Mike's fault, but whatever. Anyway, Hidden Cameras band, basically a Toronto band, actually had their roots kind of in Mississauga area. Their singer, Joel Gibb, is actually from Kincardine, which I feel like one of the fotms is camping there right now am i wrong maybe that's up on lake huron right that's like yeah they have a big like nuclear reactor up there the bruce isn't that where the bruce uh nuke reactor is up there isn't it yeah something like that's up there

you know it's also from kincardine other than Joel Gibb of the Hitting Cameras. Ah, no idea. Canadian hockey legend Paul Henderson. Who was brought up in the pulp, there's an interesting moment,

I'll just touch on it real quickly, but at the end, Paul Burford was going to give me a DVD of this series he did with Paul Henderson, which was really very religious.

It wasn't a hockey thing. Very religious because, of course, he's a born-again Christian. He loves Jesus. Paul Henderson? Paul Henderson is, yeah. So I politely declined. I just said I wasn't really – I doubt I'd – I wouldn't use a DVD anyway,

but I'm doubting I'm going to watch a Jesus thing. And I just wondered, is that the wrong move? Because Monica said maybe I should have just accepted it. but then i would just like i'd never use it but he was offering me this dvd and and i just i politely declined what would you have done like rude um yeah was it a jesus jones cd see i would have i would have accepted a j Jones CD. Right here and right now. Paul Henderson is very into Jesus. Jesus don't want me for a sunbeam. That's a great.

That's from the Unplugged in New York. Absolutely. That's a cover. That's a cover. For sure. So this song that we're hearing, Golden Stream, came in in 2003. It's incredible. A lot of these, you know, we've talked about bands like the Arcade Fire and whatnot.

Just how old some of this music is now. Like this album is 18 years old, which I sort of had a moment when I realized that. I know. Yeah, exactly. By the way, it sounded great in the headphones, Cam.

I'm not familiar with the song, but it was, it had a, I had a pleasant experience in the headphones listening. Yeah. And again, like local band were, you know, were pretty popular in their day,

seemed to be sort of a notch below the broken social scene and kind of feist in the popularity department. But I still want my favorite Toronto bands of that era. On this album, they're deep. You ever seen him at the Palace? At the what, Lee's Palace? Yeah. I don't know if i did i saw them at the great hall and i feel like i saw them some other places um this album is called this did you ever see them at shopper's

drug mart no i did not um oh my god okay let's joey's buying condoms there right now. Yeah. Let's just move on. No, we want to hear the fun facts. Okay, I need to be able to finish sentences. I literally cannot say a full sentence without getting cut off. I mean, ironic that the head of communications can't communicate. But go ahead. No, it's okay. Mike, let's hear the next one.

I'm not proceeding until I get these fun facts. There's only nine weeks left I will wait this out I'll be here all fucking night Cam I'll wait here Look look look Okay thank you Uh okay Eight more weeks Cam

Eight fucking weeks and you never have to see this son of a bitch again Okay I love the muted Okay honestly let's move on I can't he's muted and i'm backing away from the mic like it's uh okay i'm moving away from the mic watch me no like i'm serious like let's move on i got all night buddy okay so so I. Just tell us the fun facts. Don't be a dick.

You only have eight more weeks of this bullshit. Just fucking give us our facts, man. Okay. Joel Gibbs sang backup on some songs from the final R.E.M. album. There you go. I think he's upset. Stu, unmute. i need to talk to you about this you know him better than i do is he is he actually upset or is he doing one of your little sticks but why is he upset but we always like being in the i'll concur with something mike says all the

time it's easier to do this in the backyard yeah it does suck on zoom it does suck and i was ready to put up the fucking tarp and you two still does this in the backyard. Yeah, it does suck on Zoom. It does suck. And I was ready to put up the fucking tarp and you two wussies. No, he still does this in the backyard. This is not, this is Cam. He does not like, he's easily flustered if you know how to push the right buttons.

Eight more weeks, gentlemen. Can you make it eight weeks? That was a really fun fact, though. Okay. That's the best part. It was such a shitty fucking fact. Like, at least if you're going to make a big stink, deliver some mind blow or something.

It was topical. We did talk about Michael Stipe earlier, didn't we? Yeah, I know. Michael Stipe's a proud member of the community, and we love the guy. I played some last week. You might remember I played some R.E.M. Ebola Letter. In your head, when you picked that song and pulled together those facts, did this go

differently? Yeah. in your head when you picked that song and pulled together those facts did this go differently yeah it's mf really asleep did mf really go to sleep it's not even nine o'clock yet it's not even seven o'clock yet is she really sleeping or was that a joke no when did i say she was sleeping no she was only asleep during his sam kinnison listen see i listen when cam talks i thought you said MF went to bed and was sleeping. My apologies. I want to apologize for that. Okay. Maybe she had side effects from the injection. Okay. Okay. So we're all going to just collect ourselves.

I'm going to kick out of jail now. No, I mean, is there any other kind of fun facts that he wants to share? No, there's not. Do you like that band because the word Cam is in their name? I think so. No, I don't. They sounded good in the headphones, but I wonder, would you like them if they were the hidden Stumras?

I doubt it. Probably not. Or the hidden Micras? How is it? Because you compared them to Arcade Fire. Is there a lot of members of this band? Yeah. How many people?

It had a rotating membership could be really eight members they might have like 12 on stage breaking news sound like that kind of band when you hear the music there's a lot of instrumentation a lot going on there right when they went live is there a backing track or they have the musicians playing these instruments a bit of both. Breaking news, guys. I'm going to save us from this awkward moment here and just tell you, Steve says that he met his wife at the Horseshoe.

It was the Hidden Cameras headlining a North by Northeast show. There you go. Were you at that show, Cam? No, I wasn't. He sounds so sad. Okay, Cam, come on. Cam, how much time have we spent together over the past uh 16 months or so a lot of time right have you probably spent more time with me than with mf if you know i'm just saying honestly i i need to be able to say sentences without getting cut off

okay okay we'll be more considerate stew can you be more considerate for his final jam we can do that okay he's laughing. I'm not laughing. I agree with him. I can't help it. I get excited. I get excited too. You just meet me, I get excited. I just want us to still like each other for eight more weeks and then we can hate each other. We'll see how it goes.

In the next eight weeks, we're in person so you could reach over and like choke Stu if he's giving you trouble and you could throw things at me I wouldn't do that

I wouldn't do that third jam from yours truly here we go So much is going on But you can always come around Why don't you sit with me for just a little while Tell me what's wrong? Can you just give me all your love?

Give me all you got, baby. Give me all your love. I say this to you both, Stu Stone and Cam Gordon. Give me all your love. Give me all your love. This is Alabama Shakes. Also a ZZ Top song. Give me all your love in. Yeah.

Close. Right, close. So this is a song this is like i mentioned this is alabama shakes it was the second single from their second studio album which was called sound and color this is uh not only is the singer britney she's britney howard is the singer the lead singer she also wrote this song and she co-produced this song with the rest of her band. This song peaked at number 36 on the Billboard Rock Chart and they played it on Saturday Night Live back in 2015. I think it sounds amazing.

Like, again, another song introduced to me by my oldest daughter. I think that's where I'm getting most of my new music, if 2015 is still a new song, but, uh, loved it the first time I heard it. And I think it's fantastic. And Brittany Howard,

she came out as a lesbian, uh, in 20, uh, actually, I'm not sure when, but she was 25 years old when she came out and she married Jesse Lafair, who,

which is, uh, her bandmate in the Bermuda Triangle band. So she's happily married and she's happily out of the closet as a happy lesbian. And I salute her. And she's got a great set of pipes on her. Brittany Howard from Alabama Shakes. Check out Gimme All Your Love.

So your kids are there. Is this band like popular with the kids uh the song is on michelle's playlist which is what i'm exposed to all the time so but much like that willow smith jam by the way willow smith uh is bisexual and would have been uh brother jayden also so those jams would have been uh except great tonight as well. So, so I don't know if, I don't know if Alabama shakes is big with the kids. I just know it's a big with Michelle.

Shout out to Michelle. School is now really out like schools out for everybody. So go listen after this, go listen to schools out with Toronto, Mike and cam Gordon. Sure. Are you feeling better, man? I just want to get you back here.

I noticed you. Yeah, no, I'm still kind of pissed off. Okay, but I need to know, are you pissed at me or Stu? No, I'm pissed at Stuart for fucking cutting me off. Can you two hash it out now? You guys have been friends a long time.

Let me hear it. I mean, if you turn down this song, I can, sure. It's ended. It's over. Cam, I want to apologize. This is going to be like Metallica, some kind of monster. Like a psychologist.

Cam, I want to apologize. You know, I get excited. And I cut you off. You know, even when we were driving our cars away from Mike's house two weeks ago, I cut you off. That's true. I did go through the neighbors. So I apologize. Is that your Maserati?

You know that I would never try to hurt you, Cam. You know that, right? I would never intentionally try to hurt you ever. I wouldn't. Yes. You think I would? Because I wouldn't. I'm your friend. And I got love for you man

And I would never really want to hurt you Okay I see where this is going This is a bit Give me time To realize But I mean it I wouldn't

Let me love But I mean it, I wouldn't... Okay. Inside your eyes How can I be real? Do you really want to hurt me? Do you really want to hurt me? Do you really want to make me cry? Precious kisses, what's that for me? Love has never asked you why In my heart the fire's burning Choose my color, find a star

Precious people always tell me That's a step, a step too far Do you really want to hurt me? Do you really want to make me cry? I will say, though, listening to this song back, the musicianship of the Culture Club is top-notch. I mean, the bass player is incredible. Like, listen to the bass. Is this Yacht Rock?

Would you say this is Yacht Rock? Not technically, but I wouldn't turn it off. Listen to that bass. Oh, you want me to turn it up? It's well-craft well crafted that's for sure but anyway Cam you know I would never really hurt you and I apologize for cutting you off

I'll do my best I will do my best tell us why you chose this song. Go ahead. I was just going to say, I thought it was a sincere gesture. It turns out your words were just the name of the next song. That's not true. That is a coincidence.

Right. You just used them, man. You just used them. You were literally just reciting lyrics but okay no i wasn't i wasn't i had those thoughts prior to prior to the song you hadn't even submitted your picks yes okay uh you know i love you even more than i love country music i love you okay okay i just want you to know that i'm sorry i will try not to cut you up i can't guarantee that it won't happen again that's the problem once in a while it's fine that's part of the part of the shtick yeah so i i will try our best we got nine weeks to correct

eight more weeks to go eight more weeks to go and i find it fitting that on uh on uh on a round where you played uh the hidden cameras and mike went with the song from his daughter's playlist it was a layup for me did you like that did you like that alabama shake song on a round where you played the hidden cameras and Mike went with the song from his daughter's playlist. It was a layup for me. Did you like that? Did you like that Alabama shake song? Brittany Howard is the fucking bomb, man. No,

of course, of course. She's way better than country music. She is. I agree, but not better than Kim. She kind of is country music. Culture club.

She's a new way band. Despite the fact that I feel like they're like a reggae act almost like especially in this song i guess karma chameleon is not like this but this is a reggae song um just really great song in culture club really great and again another one of these acts that like as a kid boy george was just this colorful character like that wore night gowns and braids in his hair like i didn't know sexuality not sexuality i just thought george michael was great and it's again like probably the first maybe not the first but probably the first that i'm aware of that was like the first person to be like fuck you who cares like be you like george michael was unapologetically himself and uh you know i'm sure that came back to hurt him sometimes

but it definitely helped him as far as gaining respect from people because think about the shit that george michael or not george michael George. You mean Boy George probably had to go through when he's touring and showing up. You know, he probably went through like brutal, brutal shit. Right. You got to imagine in the 80s, in like the bro 80s of America, you know, this was a big deal to have George or a boy, George, sort of being like this flamboyant leader of a band. Am I wrong? Or am I remembering this incorrectly? Well, I want to ask you this. You're a bit younger than me, but you remember, uh, later in his life, did you think Liberace was a gay man or did you just think he was flamboyant?

Yeah. I didn't know the difference. And again, like as an adult, I've gone back and I would be maybe, a couple months ago i forget when it was but it was like when little richard passed away right i was like doing like a deep dive of little richard interviews and of course little richard is like the greatest and i didn't you know you learn so much when you're older and you have context in the interviews that he would do where he wasn't gay and he was gay and he wasn't but but you know, Little Richard probably is the trailblazer for all of this. And I'm sure he's not going to get played tonight because you guys are pieces of shit.

Takes one to know one. Yeah. The hidden cameras needed to be played. So I'm happy that that happened. It's a great song. It is a great song. He met his wife. Yeah, shout out to FOTM Steve who made his Steve's life.

And we wouldn't have known that had that not happened. So, yeah, listen, let's talk about this song, Do You Really Want to Hurt Me? Where did it go on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100? Number eight. Number two. Oh! Hawk Block.

Cam's not even participating in your fun games here, your reindeer games. Did you guess? What kept Do You Really Want to Hurt Me out of the number one spot? Oh, it's got to be Billie Jean. This is 1984? 82.

Oh, 82. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. It was released in 82, but it hit America and Canada in 83. Well, I'm sticking with my guess. Yeah. Let's go with the total eclipse of the heart. Later. One of you got it right.

It's me, everybody. And it's Mike, because Billie Jean was number one and stopped this song from becoming number one. Also, this was the most successful single at the time for culture club and number one hit worldwide, except for America where Michael Jackson was just dominating the shit out

of the charts. But in Canada, number one, open-minded Canada, number one. Did you guys see the crying game? number one. Did you guys see The Crying Game? Of course. Did you see it, Cam? I don't think I ever saw it. No.

I remember we counted down the theme song on a very early Pandemic Fridays. I think songs we didn't know were covers, perhaps. George Michael, by the way, was in Joan Rivers in an interview on her show. Remember the Joan Rivers show? Of course. She asked him straight straight up do you prefer men or women and george replied both uh and when in 85 he had an interview with barbara walters she asked about a

sexual orientation he said he was bisexual this is something that we talked about at the beginning of the show with mr woods uh eventually, he came out of the closet completely and said he was always gay, not bisexual. And, you know, most of the songs that he wrote for Culture Club were about his relationship with drummer John Moss, who was the drummer

of Culture Club. So there you go. Some infighting or inter-band relationships gone sour, providing great songs very fleetwood mac of them they didn't in my opinion they didn't have much longevity culture club like they were sort of like a comet they burned very bright for a short period of time i could be misremembering because i was very young in the early 80s but i think boy george buttons were just as popular as madonna buttons at that point right uh in the button era where people bought buttons. Right. But yeah, I mean, listen,

I think that it probably had a lot to do with the sexuality stuff too, where people were just not ready to be for what George was, was doing. Maybe he got too big, too quick and it scared people. I don't know. Although I feel like go ahead, Kim. I'm sorry. Now it's going to be like the opposite. It's going to be even more annoying. Well, Canada Kev had an interesting point here.

He said, 80s had gender norms bounce all over with people like boy, George, which I think is true to some degree. If you think of boy, George, Andy Lennox and dead or alive, and even into like hair metal, like Motley Crue and stuff for sure eyeliner

and teased hair and the whole deal yeah absolutely and then even yeah when you get to the hair metal right like Poison they wore more makeup than uh like they wore a lot of makeup bands like Poison and Motley Crue and you know they tease their hair and stuff like that that's I think at the time I mentioned Liberace because I remembered I just thought Liberace was flamboyant and I felt Boy George the same way. I don't think I had a concept of sexuality and homosexuality. I didn't have a concept of what gay was.

I just thought Boy George was a dude who liked to dress in some woman's clothing and wear makeup and stuff like that. Was it women's clothing or was it just these long smocks that he wore? At the time i thought it was women's clothing i don't i haven't looked back in a while they're like hey can i shout out another artist who won't be kicked out today uh but i just want to shout out grace jones grace jones because uh i watched a lot of peewee's playhouse and grace jones would come on like for the Christmas special and perform stuff.

And there's an example, Androgyny, I guess. Shout out to, is it The Replacements? Who's got Androgyny? Is that The Replacements? That's right. Yeah. So like it's just basically, you know, to borrow Blur or whatever, like girls who like boys who dress like girls who dress like boys. Like it was just, that was just, that ambiguity was all around us. I just didn't have a...

A Ken doll has no penis. Is that true? Have you checked? Of course I've checked. Shout out to Toy Story 3, I think it is, with the great Ken storyline. Okay. So, I like that selection,

and I will now declare, since we're going into the final round, that Freddie Mercury has been Hanson so I just want to let the people know. That's bullshit. You had four fucking opportunities, Stu, to pick a queen. So did you and I picked A-listers the whole way. So did me but so did you.

So did you. Who would you replace so far? I have Culture Club. I have Wham. I have Elton John. Where have I missed the boat? You're saying get rid of Leslie Gore, the great Leslie Gore. Tell me where I have Wham. I have Elton John. You're saying get rid of Leslie Gore, the great Leslie Gore. Tell me where I missed the boat.

You want me to give the boot to Kay's Choice with that great jam, Not An Addict? I mean, you can do what you want, but you can't put that on me because I have brought it. Well, here. Oh, actually, let me pass the mic to the great Cam Gordon. We're lucky to have him every week. Cam, what do you have to say before your final jam?

So lucky, by the way. Thank you, guys. That means a lot. Okay, here's my second of two choices of artists I didn't know qualified for this until I started doing research. I saw this band, like, I haven't thought of this band in a while here's a song

I feel like we don't hear much of anymore but is was certainly a worldwide smash and number one hit in Canada amongst other countries and I don't know I think a good place to end my selections today Anytime I need to see a picture just close my eyes And I am taken to a place where your crystal mine And magenta feel me take a chapter in the face of my spine

Straight like a chicka cherry cola I don't need to try to explain I just hold on tight And if it happens again I'ma move so slightly To the arms and the lips and the face of the human Can I fall that I need to, I want to Come stand a little bit closer Breathe in and get a bit higher You'll never know what hit you when I get to you.

Ooh, I want you, I don't know if I need you, but ooh, I'm trying to find it out. Ooh, I want you, I don't know if I need you, but ooh, I'm trying to find it out. I want you is the name of the song the band is Savage Garden, is this a rock band? it's a rock set cover band kind of is

very rock set-esque are are they from scandinavia this band uh good guess they're actually from australia i would have because you're right they're very rock set-esque i always suspected that this was like the guy from rock sets like next project like when i first heard savage garden i was like oh the guy from rock set must have started a new group. So yeah, I feel like that thought is a mind blow in a different sense, where it's like, of course, this is totally sounds like Roxette. I've never thought about that, but that's credit where it's due, Stu. That's a good thought. Thank you. Go ahead, Kim. Thank you. Any other thoughts before I do some fun facts? Well, I'll wait till you're done

because that's what that's that's courtesy just like this song where i was playing it for monica when i was loading up my jams and she was enjoying the nostalgia in that whole cherry cola line or whatever chica cherry cola or whatever is sort of just sticks out as like, oh yeah, I remember when. That's like their Barenaked Ladies line. Chickadee China, the Chinese chicken. I'd say if that lyric is not in this song, it's not a number one hit in Canada.

It had a moment, but again, very Roxette-esque. Holy smokes. Oh, and these are the public enemy horns I'm hearing right now is the bomb squad in the mix here okay yeah it's like super cheesy um so yeah this band's actually from australia from logan city which is part of brisbane um has a pretty good musical legacy namely the bgs oh yeah spent some time in brisbane when they were first coming up in the 60s. Also home to Jeffrey Rush.

Okay, the movie Shine is fucking amazing. So if people haven't seen Shine yet, go see Shine. Is he still with us? Yeah, he's still with us. I think he's still with us. Also a collective soul song. That's a Paul Abdul song, right?

Jeffrey Rush. It's a Canadian band. Keanu Reeves was in that video, though. No, it was Matt LeBlanc. Oh, is it Keanu Reeves? What video? Oh, Matt LeBlanc was in Atlantis' video. That's right.

Oh, yeah. Too Hot or something. Too Hot. Atlantis. The name Savage Garden. The name Savage Garden is a phrase from the Vampire Chronicles by Anne Rice. I thought it was a tribute to Sam. Like Anne Rice.

Okay. Yeah. Or like Randy Savage or something. The video for this song. If you remember, they're sort of like in a spaceship. It's kind of a futuristic look. Same guy, Nigel Dick, who directed Hit Me Baby One More Time. Also directed Do they know it's

christmas which we've talked about already today um yeah we did talk about a george michael heavily involved right right yeah simon long yeah him too bono has a great line He says something Potentially problematic Do they know it's Christmas? Yeah Just be glad we're here And not there Some line, I'm butchering it, I have to google it But it's a problematic line that drives my buddy Elvis crazy

That's a little insensitive Anyway Savage Garden, kind of like Frankie Goes to Hollywood Only put out two albums had a string of singles they had a few more than frankie gosala with it 14 in total um their singer darren hayes he's the reason they're in this category although he was married to his childhood sweetheart a makeup artist named colby taylor they divorced in 2000 and five years later in London, he married a gentleman named Richard Cullen after

coming out of the closet. Darren Hayes also had a bunch of solo singles in Australia that are quite popular. He hasn't put out any new music since 2012. So not sure what Darren Hayes is out to, but looking over the Savage Garden discography, it was a really, really popular

band for like three years and then kind of just disappeared off the face of the earth. Now, which happens sometimes. Now, Mr. Hayes, any relation to John Derringer, who's really a John Hayes

or his nephew? Who's the Hayes from the... Brian Hayes. Brian Hayes. Brian Hayes. Right. Any relation? Of course. And Bill Hayes, FOTM Bill Hayes. Don... Brian Hayes. Brian Hayes. Brian Hayes. Right. Any relation, of course. And Bill Hayes.

F-O-T-M, Bill Hayes. Don't forget as well. Yeah. I'll check up on this, but let's just assume no. Okay. But there is... Who's the other guy? Who's the other savage gardener?

That's a good question. I'll get back to you on that. He'll get back to us. Canada Kev says that the line that Bono says and that's offensive is, thank God it's them instead of you. Which is very, you know, he regrets it now, but he was just reading the words in front of him, which were, yeah, probably from Bob Geldof or something.

Just a couple of things. Fred Savage Garden, he says, ha ha. Darren Hayes moved to LA to study improv at the Groundlings, says VP of sales. I assume that's accurate because it's very specific. Only because it's VP of fucking sales. Always check your sources. This guy knows.

And Nigel Dick, this is Steve. Nigel Dick also directed Wonderwall. Sorry, one final comment, but do they know it's Christmas? I always thought the name of that song was Cap'n's. It's like keep people starving in Ethiopia, do they care? But it's not only that, but why are we assuming that they're Christian? Christmas is celebrating

the birth of Christ. Shout out to Paul Henderson. But, you know, the whole world is not Christian. And great chunks of Africa is not Christian. Totally. Great chunks. Big chunk. Big chunks of this is not Christian. Totally. Great chunks.

Big chunks of this Pandemic Friday crew. A chunk of this Pandemic Friday crew is not Christian. There you go. One third. Well, I'm atheist. I'm out of the Christian club. Me too. None of us are Christian. We denounce our Christianity. We don't know it's Christmas.

Fuck Christmas. Okay, who our Christianity. There you go. We don't know it's Christmas. Right. Fuck Christmas. Okay. Who's... He's too quiet. Go ahead. Can you be normal? Is that possible? I am being normal.

I just want to make sure Cam has gotten it all out. I don't want to step on his toes. You know what? I refused it. I don't care if a fucking hurricane comes through the backyard. I'm not doing another Pandemic Friday on Zoom. It sucks. I don't mind. I'm not even listening the backyard. I'm not doing another pandemic Friday on Zoom. It sucks. I don't mind.

I'm not even listening anymore. I like it. I like it. I just want to tell a quick story. There was a point when I was living in Las Vegas for two years. I was working with the magician, Chris Angel. Right. And he lives off the strip about, without giving his address,

he's in Henderson, Nevada, which is like the suburbs. Nice kind of up in the hill type of place. Gated community type place. It's where Ricky Henderson lives. Sure. A lot of the stuff that we would film or when we would get together with him to go over what we were filming, we'd go to his house. And he has this like, you know, a house that you would expect Chris Angel to have. It's an impressive property with a, you know, it's awesome.

But a lot of times we would shoot things on his property. Like when we levitated Jaqueline O'Neal, for example, that was on Chris's driveway. Or when, you know, when we were doing some certain magic things that required us to be at Chris's house. Anyway, there was a time when there was an issue. I was the producer of the show. So I had to deal with fires that were going and I'd have to clear them up. But apparently, you know, one of the times I think it was Flava. Flav was always sort of hanging out.

He was, he came and he showed up with somebody and they like parked in the wrong, the neighbor's driveway. And the neighbor was like trying to get out of there to go on with their day. And someone's parked in their driveway. And they came over and we had to stop what we were doing. And I had to go and figure out what was going on. Whose car is this? How do we move it?

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The punchline to the whole story. The owner of the house and Chris Angel's neighbor. The guy from Savage Garden holy really i thought you're gonna talk about his fucking story yes i know i thought you're gonna talk about this fucking sprinkler no no he turned out to be a sweetheart of a guy uh you know he just wanted to go he wanted to leave his house and flavor flames person had like parked on their driveway for some reason. We moved the car. He got out of there. Truly, madly, deeply, all of that

stuff. The guy from Savage Garden lives next door to Chris Angel. That's a fun fact. I guess if you can find out his address, you'll know Chris' address. That belongs to me. That's a great TO.

The Esri Canada Geography Corner. By the way, the most recent episode of Geographical Thinking features the great Mike Gregotsky with his wife. They're prominently featured in this episode. I urge you to check it out. Can't wait to hear it. Cambrio busting the end.

That, I haven't played my last song yet, brother. Yeah, no. I have my last Sun Jam too. Let me do this. I'm excited. I kept this for last. It's like a two for one. Have you ever... Vanessa Williams, Save the Best for Last. Have we played that song yet? Because that was one of Cam's favorite songs. Do you not know how to access the fucking

spreadsheet? I feel like you never check the spreadsheet out. That's not for me. VP of Sales, show Stu Stone how to access your wonderful spreadsheet. You know, you can... Damn, you love that song. Admit it. I like that. Sometimes the sun goes round the moon. Sometimes the snow comes down in June.

Yeah, that's a great song. It's a little schmaltzy, but I dig it. They stripped her of her title because she posed nude. But everybody knows that. You must have known that. Spoiler alert. Come on, you must have known that. So, I'm excited to kick kick out this jam i got my energy back because it's like a two for one did you guys ever uh enjoy two for one pizza of course and it's not bad right two for one's pretty good right oh it is bad but okay back then it was uh it was good you think this price is right

you think it's bad until you try three for one and you realize two for one is really fucking good. Right. Three for one is like cardboard of ketchup on it.

But I digress. I should be careful. They could be a future sponsor of Toronto Mike. So let me kick out my... I doubt that. My two for one. Here we go.

What have I done to deserve this? You always wanted a lover I only wanted a job And I was with a living How am I gonna get through? How am I gonna get through? Why can't I be looking for money? Got to heaven, ending up leaving with love

Now you left me with nothing Can't take it How am I gonna get through? How am I gonna get through? I bought you drinks, I brought you flowers I read your books and talked for hours Every day so many drinks, such pretty flowers So tell me what have I, what have I, what have I done to deserve this? What have I, what have I, what have I done to deserve this? Actually, let me listen to her.

Okay. What a jam. Okay, what a great jam. Who's the singer? Well, I'm going to reveal everything to you right now. You know it's not the guy from the pet shop boys nope it's not in fact it's uh his childhood uh idol if you will so let me explain all of this to you because i said it was a two for one and it's all going to tie into an fotm and everything that's going to be fantastic so pet shop boys english band Pet Shop Boys, English band. This is their second studio album, 1987, I believe.

It's called Actually. The song, this is the second single from the album, came out in August 1987. This was a big hit in the UK. It was a big hit in the United States. The woman you're wondering, who is that? Well, what if I told you that was Dusty Springfield? Really?

I think we knew that. Yeah, we did. She showed up on a couple of other songs, too, like Pandemic Friday. Did you know that was Dusty Springfield? Well, the jam I kicked out, of course, which I fell in love with because I love Pulp Fiction so much, is Son of a Preacher Man. So I did kick out that song in the past. I think I was thinking... My mom wants to know if Dusty Springfield, is she gay?

Yeah, so this is all... Yeah, I'm revealing it all right now. Yes, okay. So, clearly you did not listen to the Carol Pope episode of Toronto Mic'd, Stew Stone. I'm disappointed. Carol Pope... I'm still listening to the Roger Rick and Marilyn episode.

I'll get there. I only have interviewed two of those three people, actually. But okay. So Dusty Springfield had this really pivotal album in the late 60s called Dusty in Memphis. And Neil Tennant, who of course is from the Pet Shop Boys, loved Dusty in Memphis. So they basically sought out Dusty,

who had fallen on hard times, like hadn't had a hit in a while I think since some point in the 70s this resurrected Dusty Springfield's career was there another song she showed up on though like around this time you're thinking of the KLF with Tammy Wynette

maybe that's what it is I totally mixed them up I thought I was the same person when I was a kid well both had their careers kind of rejuvenated by these duets or whatever. But Dusty Springfield, yes, is a lesbian. Dusty Springfield had a

sexual tryst with Carol Pope. That was disgusting with Carol. And Carol on Toronto Mike did talk about attending Dusty's funeral and kind of chatting up the Pet Shop Boys, chatting about Dusty Springfield. It's now on our Wikipedia page.

It's been captured. Right, because of some anonymous Wikipedia person. Super fan. Rosie Gray TO, I believe, is the handle. So according to Tenant, EMI, which was the label at the time there, the parent company of the label, didn't want Springfield. They wanted Tina Turner or Barbara Streisand

to do that collaboration. But you know what? I can't imagine anything being better than Dusty Springfield. So here's a quote from Dusty in 1970, by the way. So yes, by the way, also, of course, Pet Shop Boys, Neil Tennant anyways, is a proud gay man.

But Dusty Springfield in 1970 wrote, many people say I'm bent. That's a British term for gay. Okay. Many people say I'm bent and I've heard it so many times that I've almost learned to accept it. I know I'm perfectly I'm perfectly

as capable of being swayed by a girl as by a boy. Bent like the opposite of straight, like bent? Yeah, that's right. That's exactly right. More and more people feel that way, and I don't see why I shouldn't. So in 1970, these were strong words from a popular artist like Dusty Springfield who had all these hits, especially in the UK.

So, by the way, the other half of Pet Shop Boys is Chris Lowe. And Chris Lowe has never... I don't think Chris Lowe ever came out as gay, but Neil Tennant did come out as gay in 1994. So Chris Lowe might not be gay, but Neil Tennant is gay, and Dusty Springfield is at least bisexual. For my money, Mike. Yes.

West End Girls is their best song. That's a hell of a song. But then you don't get the two for one. I like the two more. That was impressive. You also kind of hear the beginning of that song, the very intro to that song before it goes into the musical portion. It kind of sounds a little bit like it's about to be Depeche mode. People are people I thought is what.

Like the bang on the pipe. Yeah. It could have been Howard. It could have been Howard Jones had a song that started like that too. I think that was like a thing. People were like banging on pipes from 84 to 87. Yeah. The,

the pipe banging movement. I remember it well. It's like literally industrial. Not a big mind blow, but this collaboration, Dusty Springfield with Pet Shop Boys, with this hit, What Have I Done to Deserve This? They actually worked together a couple more times. I'll give you a taste of something else. It's called Nothing Has Been Proved.

Let's give you a taste of further collaborations following the success of this song. While it builds out, let me give some love to Ridley Funeral Home. They've been pillars of the community since 1921. So there are a couple of other jams out there, not nearly as successful, obviously,

as What Have I Done to Deserve This, which still sounds good in the headphones here. But thank you, Pet Shop Boys, for resurrecting the career of Dusty Springfield. So I guess when her and Carol Pope were together, this was like during Dusty's kind of fallow period during the 80s. Yes, because Dusty was huge, I think, late late 60s and maybe that goes into the early 70s and then she stops having hits

at some point in like i think early to mid 70s she stops producing hits and then her next hit i believe is probably uh this song with the pet shop boys which is 87 so yeah there's a a period of where dusty is uh could be because i also also feel like that wasn't 100% confirmed until it ended up in Carol Pope's book, Anti-Diva. I can't remember if that came up in the podcast when you spoke to her, but I feel like Carol Pope was the one who revealed this, not Dusty herself. Am I wrong?

I could totally be. I don't know who revealed it, but they were publicly cited being a couple. But I have a kind of exciting... So I mentioned I've kicked out previously, I think Son of a Preacher Man is a song I loved. I remember where we've heard Dusty Springfield now. Okay, so do you want to...

Because I'm reading now $5 Shake, which of course itself is a Pulp Fiction reference, is revealing at live.torontomike.com that there's a version of the Growing Pains theme song with Dusty Springfield singing it. We heard it on that episode. So that's amazing. This is the third time, three different jams,

but this is the third time Dusty has been played on a Pandemic Friday. Yes. Yes. And let me take an opportunity really quickly here before we hear Stu Stone's last jams, really quickly to thank Mimico Mike for his support. And if anyone's looking to buy and or sell

in the next six months, go to realestatelove.ca and have a conversation. Is that how long your advertising contract is? No, no, nothing to do with that. Michael Majeski is the man's name. He's in the know in Mimico. He put the great VP of Sales in his massive Mimico lot that has

that fantastic gazebo. I'm going to enjoy on Monday. I saw that. I'm waiting for an invitation. Well, keep waiting. I'm going to be there Monday. Check your mailbox every day and see what... Winsuit's not necessary, by the way, I understand. Optional. But there's no pool. That's Canada Kev. I haven't been invited there yet.

I think... No, no. I'm talking about just for the gazebo hang. That's normal in Mimico. Have you ever been to Mimico? I have. Somebody I know is ripping it up. So shout out. And stickeru.com. Nothing makes me happier than being told,

hey, can you deliver a Toronto Mike sticker you sticker to this address? I jump on my bike. I bike it over. It's great fun. DM me or write me at mike at torontomike.com and let me know you need some Toronto Mike stickers from sticker you. I'm happy to do it. Free of charge. Excellent.

Love it. Love it. Alright, my friend. Stu Stone, the floor is yours for your final jam. I feel like there was such an overabundance of people that we could have included here today. And of course, if we had not just limited ourselves, as our host instructed us to, to artists that were part of this community to just songs that were

inspirational to the community, like pride jams, like a true colors, Cindy Lopper, a great song, a couple other kinds of jams like that, that could have been played. It would have been appropriate. Coming out by Diana Ross. Sure. But I wanted to get a little CanCon in here and I knew that the hidden cameras

would be played so it would be tough to do something. It would be tough to get this artist in here with You bastard. No, I'm being serious. Okay. I wanted to

give you a double dose here, a double vax of action here. One of them is not a member of the community, but there is a double dose here, much like Mike did a double dose on his last vax here with Dusty Rhodes and the Pet Shop. So let's just let this one play, and this is Canadian Royalty.

Of course, a fun fact, Weird Al Yankovic on the accordion. recording. Always someone marches brave Here beneath my skin And constant craving Has always been Me You are listening to the sounds of K.D. Lange. Woo! That's gotta be your biggest song, you would imagine, right?

I think that is your biggest song. She won the Grammy Award for Best Female Pop Vocal Performance for this song, song you would imagine right i think that is your biggest song the grammy award grammy award for best female pop vocal performance for this song as well as shockingly the mtv music video award for best female video for this song this doesn't strike me as an mtv hit but it was now you got a song that won the best grammy for the best pop song and you've got the MTV word for best video. Where do you think that means this thing charts guys? On the billboard chart?

On the billboard, hot 100. Number five. I'll say 17. Number 38. And how about in her home country of Canada

number 1 number 8 moderate hit that's shocking to me Miss Chatelaine was a big hit not as big as Constant Craving that was a big hit too fun fact about Catherine Don Lang

woo fact about Catherine Don Lang. The song, Has Anybody Seen My Baby by the Rolling Stones. Now, it's interesting because the Rolling Stones famously... Sorry about that. Sorry about that. Is that Ann Sandy? The Rolling Stones famously... Remember the whole incident with... what do you call it?

Like the Verve, is it? Yeah, Bittersweet Symphony. Bittersweet Symphony. You know, that whole incident where like the Rolling Stones sued and those guys lost all their money. But then like eventually we learned there was a bit of a happy ending because they gave it back at the end, right? Right. at the end right right this song the rolling stones were in a generous mood that year because uh they gave katie lang writing credit on the song anybody seen my baby and she probably made more money off of anybody seen my baby than any other other songs why do you think they were

generous when it it sounded like katie lang's uh there's so many's Constantine. How many notes are there on a piano? How many if any musicians out there know every song is like a C, A, G. I remember this case though. It sounded a lot like this song. Has anybody seen my baby? I have to give a shout out to my niece Sophie who's listening.

She's a big Katie Lang fan. Is that true? She is. She's a big Katie Lang fan even at her is that true she is she's a huge Katie Lang thing but even more than Katie Lang and the inspiration that Katie Lang is and hopefully my niece Sophie grows up to be a strong female presence in the world much like Katie Lang I will say an inspiration obviously I will say that my niece sophie her as much as she loves katie lang i want to get to the mind blow which isn't much of a mind blow but katie lang she really didn't cement herself as a canadian legend uh cam when she won the grammy for constant craving she didn't you know where i'm going with this i think so she really didn't. You know where I'm going with this? I think so. She really didn't reach Canadian heroic status for her bravery in dealing with her sexual orientation or even getting a star on the Canada Walk of Fame. That's not any of those.

She became a Canadian timeless icon when this happened. timeless icon when this happened. Where the wild roses grow in Alberta, on the banks of the Gooseberry Lake, there's a rose I suppose that you've heard of. She's as mild as a wild Irish wake. Like a thorn, she was born to be contrary. Like a boy, it was her joy-raising cane. The wildest rose that ever drove on the prairie. Behind the wheel of a big truckload of grain. Little K, little D, little L, A, and G.

Her name was just plain Katie Lang. But her main claim to fame was how she sang with a twang and jumped around like a rangy tang. Lady Katie Lang. Katie Lang. Katie Lang. It's quite a progressive song for Stompin' Tom, which... Stompin' Tom Connors connors so i know you didn't

mean to interrupt me there cam stomping tom connors okay now when i was listening to the stomp and tom i was like thinking to myself is it possibly not singing about katie lang like there's like maybe she got the name from some other thing or maybe she's referencing this is it possible but no this song is clearly about katie lang the singer of course and what an honor that is to have stomping tom connors write a song about you i mean come on stop them you hear hold on there's a bigger honor in my opinion in canadian music than that than having stomping Tom write a song called... Come on, Stu.

Sounds like Rusty. It's Rusty from fucking Fluke. It is Rusty. Yeah, that's Katie Lang. That's from Fluke. They covered it. No, it's a different Katie Lang. They have a song called Katie Lang as well.

Yes. Wow. Multiple songs. Come on. So, I mean, yes, okay, it's a big called Katie Lang as well? Yes. Wow. Multiple songs. Come on. So, I mean, yes, okay, it's a big deal in some circles, you know, when Stompin' Tom sings about you, but when Rusty sings about you and puts it on Fluke, like, to me, that's now your top of the heap.

Big fucking deal. Yeah, Katie Lang's on Fluke. I mean, Katie Lang got a lot of mileage out of singing the Canadian National Anthem and releasing Constant Craving as her two sort of biggest musical numbers. I would have to say that, you know, pretty impressive. And also just look at her look and all that stuff. It's like she was unapologetically her her which that's probably why she gets all this love right here's where she gets she gets lots of props all over the place but she's an alberta girl who was like against eating beef and this was like sacrilege in alberta to be like against

the beef industry so it took i think it took a you know a big pair of balls to kind of stand up against your motherland there and say, I don't think people should eat animals. That's delicious. What do you say, Cam? Yeah, I mean, that still would be a provocative stance. And Alberta, they love their cattle. They love their cars out there. So I know your wife's from there,

you know? Oh yeah, she is from Edmonton. And Matt Layden. And Matt Layden's from Edmonton as well. Absolutely. All right. I'm playing this out because we need to reset next week.

We'll need to be in person in the backyard. I've got some, this was great to celebrate music from the 2SLGBTQ plus community. Such talented artists. It's great to celebrate our friends. I hope you two next week

in person we get back to the regular Pandemic Friday vibe. I don't want any more Zooms. I don't think the vibe wasn't affected here. That was like a three-minute anger that he's passed, and I was wrong. And we've made up. And Cam's already been messaging me on the side

here saying like, hey, let's hang. Dudu's playing this weekend. That is true. We may go get some balloon animals on a patio with Richard Chang at some point. Do the balloon trick. Yes.

And that. That. And that. Brings us to the end of our 875th show. That's a round number, folks. Sort of, kind of, maybe. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike.

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