Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - 4/20 Jams: Toronto Mike'd #839

Episode Date: April 23, 2021

This 58th Pandemic Friday, Mike kicks out 4/20 jams with Brother Bill, Cam Gordon and Stu Stone and a special surprise guest.

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pandemic Friday is Cam Gordon and Brother Bill Hello Mike Hello Michael, hello Bill slash Neil I thought you were going to call him I thought you were going to say hello William

William, yeah I should have. Frere Guillaume, as John Arnett from the lowest of the low used to call me back in the day. Frere Guillaume. Okay. I like that. That's culture. Someone at live.torontomic.com is calling you cultured cam

because you've got that cool background. So there you go. Yeah, this is a Google head shop and look for large size images. And this is one of the ones that come. This seems like a classy head shop though. Kind of like a thousand villages mixed with Toronto rocks

or whatever those shitholes on Yonge Street used to be called. Like posters and drug drugs. Where I got my appetite for destruction flag or whatever that's called. A lot of like wall hangings of like Bob Marley

metal but like a lot of like wolves like stuff you'd see spray paint or airbrush on the side of a panel van. Okay and Bob Marley would be appropriate today because as Canada Kev points out, because he says that this is episode three, no, sorry, 839.

And he says 839 is 420 times two minus one. So this is our 420 Jams episode. You guys excited? Oh man, that's pretty trippy. It's, yes. I don't know how it is in Toronto. First of all cam i guess these head shops the way they looked back in the back in the day they don't exist anymore on young street do they um there's the odd one like up until recently like i lived near young and bluer for many years like only just the last few months they moved and there's still a few

around um they seem like they had there's one in particular i can think of near young and wellesley where they still had like all the bongs and like the posters and band t-shirts in the front window but like half of it seemed like it was just like regular clothing too so i think sort of the spirit of kind of the classic you know 70s 80s 90s head shop is a thing of the past and now we can uh we can buy bongs at every second shop now right like every second retail store is selling bongs like it's no longer like exciting or whatever you'll have to forgive me but sometimes because i haven't been to Toronto in so long, my memory of Yonge Street especially is very similar to that 1970 movie, Going Down the Road. I don't know if one of you have seen that.

Of course, of course. Sort of what I remember Yonge Street to be. I mean, I worked briefly at one Dundas, but didn't spend a lot of time hanging out there. You know, it has some good shots of that classic young street and more like an early 80s vibe is about two minutes into the video for Rush

subdivisions right and like that you know kind of angry youth is like wandering young street he sees the cool kids in a convertible but like he's down by Sam the record man and places like that you get you get a little glimpse of kind of 80s sleaze the the video arcade that was a lot of that

yeah video video arcade i think it was across from sam's but uh these are the yeah these are the things a big video arcade i remember that one too of course there's the legendary gas works that was down that way as well yeah for sure a couple of adult establishments, if you know what I mean. Places where people take their clothes off. I can't remember the one that's down in the back. Zanzibar? Zanzibar. Yeah, because the Brass Rail was up closer to Bloor Street.

Never heard of it. And that was across from the Uptown Theatre i really liked the uptown like that's where i saw saving private ryan and a whole bunch of great films and then i lived for a while at 30 charles street west which was kind of a right above the uh the uptown theater there was two like theaters right at young blur was there not my imagine well there's the there was the one that was uh on the other side like bay and bluer had one and there was also one though there was one like not yorkville but it was carl not uh not carlton uh that was at college and young but uh there was one it'll come to me later but there were several like theaters in that area for sure the one at the one at bay and bluer there was a

really attractive girl that was the assistant manager there and she loved strom malopoulos yeah again wow shocker yeah i know shocker and so so cumberland that's it so um she would invite george and then he would invite myself and jim richards and a whole pile other people to go see movies even before they were out in theaters they had like a week had them a week in advance and we would go at like one o'clock in the morning and watch these movies. Oh shit. Well, they had the backstage. I remember like, it was almost like where the

art house films would go to the backstage. Do you remember how they had that one theatre in the back? Right. And that's where you'd get the ones you'd get. Normally you'd have to go to the Carleton Cinema or whatever to see these like, I remember, yeah, all the cool indie house films that uh whatever david lynch was like putting out right you know what was an under dollar movie yeah

yeah right uh was a road to road kill and uh highway 61 which features a song it let's not forget the big one hardcore logo well hardcore logo for sure with a billy talent right but um and huey dylan right of course uh what's the uh um acid test so acid test the band they had music in that uh what was it the what was that other one 61 what was it called highway 61 right i think that featured music from acid test one of the main characters in that movie was a guy named sean who was in a band called technicolor raincoats right he's one of the main characters i think it's highway 61 it's that the one where they go up north and they run into joey ramone i

think yeah i feel like jello biafra was in one of these movies too was he not he played a cop or maybe that was a different movie like it was a different canadian movie because i do oh by the way i have a special guest popping in to kick out one of the jams with us uh you'll find out who it is when their face shows up in the zoom if their face shows up in the zoom so i wanted to though, I wanted to talk about vaccinations because since we last recorded a pandemic Friday, the powers that be decided that Gen X could go get

their AstraZeneca in this province. And it's caused quite the, I call it like the hunger games, all right? It's like, get your shot, like by how many different, you know, web pages and phone numbers did we call trying to line up our vaccinations. So, Cam, I want an update from you.

But first, I'm just going to share very quickly my story, which is that at about 6.30 p.m. on 4.20, which is significant because we're kicking out the 4.20 jams, and that was Tuesday. We need like a Bond side effect every time, like 4.20. I know. Well, when I play stew's recording you'll hear one but uh so 6 30 p.m i get my shot very grateful very excited i got my astrazeneca

shot that night i slept fine but then the next day which was yesterday all day long i was tired and achy like i had a bug or something like I just felt like a sack of shit. Or you were 50. I'm almost there. And then last night, I had these wild fever dreams where I had these chills and all night long, just wild. And then I wake up this morning, I actually did a hit, not on the bong, but I did a hit on Humble and Fred.

And from then on honestly i felt 100 all day like i went for a 30k ride i feel normal but it was fucked up for a while there so that was my experience god i'll just say for me like rinse and repeat like exact same thing like i got mine at i think it was 12 30 on wednesday at a local shopper's drug mart i was fine the rest of that day you know kind of doing regular hang out with the kid uh all that sort of stuff and yeah in the middle of the night like at three i woke up and i was like sweating and like yeah weird psychedelic dreams which i thought was actually sort of a good primer for this episode. I know. Yeah.

And I like, I felt like complete shit when I woke up as did MF. But yeah, I'm pretty good now. Like it's been, again, now it's like 26 hours out and I feel pretty good. Like I was on the exercise bike right before this and back to normal. This seems very par for the course.

It's like a 24 hour. But mine was a little longer because all night was fucked up. It was really appropriate for the 420. I just felt really fucked up and it was kind of wild, but then just woke up and been fine all day. So, Cam, I actually did not realize you had already had your vaccination.

This is like an exclusive. Yeah, I didn't do the vaccine selfie. I'm not putting my inoculation status out into the world you could inspire hesitant uh people uh you could inspire them to follow suit but nobody wants to see a grown man cry that's the thing right so brother it's just a bit it was dust in my eye brother bill uh remind me which uh which of the vaccines did you receive over there in uh white rock uh i have received neither or either or any okay why did i think you had been vaccinated okay so is it that you're are you like just waiting or are you an

anti-vaxxer i'm no yeah i'm an anti-vaxxer that No, I'm an anti-vaxxer. That's right. I wanted to spend the next three hours telling you it's all fake and the government, it's a conspiracy. George Soros. Yeah, no. No, it's been slow here, to be honest with you. The rollout has not been...

It started really well. I mean, my mother, who's 93, got vaccinated. Both her shots by mid-February. But then, you know, so many people, too many people trying to make decisions, all the different comments on social media. We have a good government out here. I stand behind our health minister, which is Dr. Bonnie Henry, and our NDP government's done a pretty good job with a lot of things. But this is one of those things that, you know, it's a big job.

And so people are getting vaccinated. And right now, the right people are getting vaccinated. I mean, I don't have a big bubble of people. I'm not working right now. So I've registered. And when my time comes, obviously obviously i'll book my appointment and show up but i would much rather see a teacher or a first responder or someone who no that's a good point at it right now i won't lie i won't lie as i got the shot on tuesday i had this feeling of

why am i the podcaster who's locked down like why am i getting this when there's essential workers going into the workplace that yet to get a shot you have kids you have kids they go to school and well they don't go to school anymore bill well okay yeah right i can see this is the thing i forget you guys are totally locked down out there aren't you i mean it's like you can't go anywhere stay at home order it really is like so as of tomorrow as of friday yeah here they can stop you from traveling they're they're literally going to be waiting at the ferries and waiting at the borders and waiting as you leave town to go to what we call we're going to have cottage country

but out to the interior they call it they're going to be waiting for you and if you don't have a valid reason they're going to turn you around or find you i don't know what exactly is happening there but that's but you can go for walks and you can exercise and stuff right like you can go for a nice long walk right brother yeah like you know where i am mike you've been here it's a very tourist based city small city uh last weekend the pier we have canada's longest pier here a lot of people go there there's restaurants on our beach and there's a lot of people that want to come down here but it was just a little out of control last weekend so government local government is trying to decide what to close if necessary we don't have the numbers that you guys have we don't have the population that you have but it is still here as

well and and uh I'd like to think that everybody's doing what they can, but there's a few that just, you know, are trying to ruin it for the rest of humanity. I feel like BC has this scary new Indian double variant that people seem to love to panic about. Yeah, Cam, you're right. This is an issue that's been talked about for the last 48 hours or

so. Flights from India seem to be arriving at YVR airport, which should be called Terry Fox International for the record. And they're showing up from India. And I hate to just categorize a country, but this is fact. And what we're hearing, again, it's just what we're hearing. There's been no, it's alleged that people in India may be buying their way onto these planes with false COVID tests. And they end up here in Vancouver and spread it from there. So there is some concern regarding flights out of India right now. But, you know, we're all one people in my attitude. And so we just need to, everybody just needs to buckle down and get through this

because, man, I don't want to be sitting here another year from now talking about the same shit. I will say, like, think of what we're talking about right now. And like this whole fucking experience, and this experience, i.e. this pen, just has so many different chapters like now we're talking about this india variant and sort of the you know sir mike what you alluded to sort of this inequity with the vaccine distribution like mike yeah i know you're

like all over twitter daily you're probably like me you saw the photos i think the star had a really good photo of not good but you know all these folks at jane and finch waiting in the snow for like a a um community clinic like drop in meanwhile you know there's toronto mike podcasting from his basement cam gordon like guy who literally works for an internet company right like why should we be getting this but But someone, I think it was Kana Kev, just mentioned in the chat room. I'm like you, Mike. I had a weird guilt, but not regret about getting it. Right. Well said.

Yeah. So I don't... Oh, yeah. Don't get me wrong. I mean, in fact, it's you, Cam. I'll say this. You DM'd me. We'll just say a DM happened from you. And you were like... So they made the announcement on the weekend, right? So was it Sunday?

Maybe they announced Sunday night. Yeah. So Sunday night they said, okay, starting Tuesday, uh, Gen X can get their fucking AstraZeneca and you let me know that you could actually book an appointment on the wall for a Walmart, even though their website was saying 55 plus, they were going to let you, you could put in your real birthday and get the appointment. And then of course, by Tuesday, they'd have to let you you could put in your real birthday and get the appointment and then of course by tuesday they'd have to give you the shot because you're over 40 and if it wasn't for that dm from you mr gordon i'm not sure i would have had the wherewithal

to actually book that thing for tuesday yeah i'm trying to figure out how we knew that i feel like it might be a friend of mf but it was sort of interesting just seeing how the you know sort of almost like all the urban legends but yeah like we originally had appointments booked at walmart and then through the the fantastic vax hunters can a web uh twitter feed right we actually saw late i think it was late tuesday night it's like the shoppers like two minutes away from us still had appointment it was like 1030 at night like right we're talking about MF she was in bed she actually got out of bed we walked over

there at 1030 at night and like rebooked our appointments and again like what like privilege like this right I don't know it shouldn't work that like I'm so grateful that it was so easy for us but it's so fucking hard for other people meanwhile like we got it before my sister is like a teacher right that's right that's it yeah so good good

way to put it you can feel uh like uh some some guilt but there's no regret because once you have the opportunity to get the shot you just fucking get take it like it's like i wasn't gonna say no i did no no dude but this is it you're right you're right and generation x it says a lot about our generation that you know maybe we're not buying into all this conspiracy bullshit that you know the generation above us and below us is i i don't know but can i just correct myself quickly guys because i just want to make sure i'll feel bad otherwise our provincial health officer is dr bonnie henry i actually i your mistake, but I was going to let it go. Yeah, our minister of health is Adrian Dix.

I just wanted to make sure. Both of them have been on TV every day with updates here. It's been not like your premier who shows up when he feels like it. Don't get me started, Bill. These two have been on TV here in British Columbia every day, given one or two days since the pandemic started. They're doing an incredible job out here in BC. Needs to be said.

For those keeping score at home, we talked when we started this Pandemic Friday. How many weeks ago did I say? I'm going to read my notes here. 58 weeks ago we started Pandemic Friday. If you're keeping score, Stu Stone is fully vaccinated. He had both his shots because he was

in the usa uh cam and i and he's stew stone and he's stew fucking stone cam and i now have our first shot so i mean since we got them on the same day uh or whatever i i know i get my second shot on uh i get it on uh august 10th assuming that schedule holds or whatever. So I have actually already decided the last, assuming like there's not some unforeseen curveball and anything's possible with this unprecedented pandemic. But here I'm going into my calendar. This is exciting play by play here. I have decided the final pandemic Friday is going to be in prime time and it's going to be on august 27th

at 7 30 p.m we're gonna do our final pandemic friday the the electrifying conclusion of the and i i think that's a great time too because it's also you know right before the in theory school year goes back and Labor Day. And I have a camping trip planned later, I think right after pandemic Friday, I have a camping trip. Okay. I just saw the clock.

I was going to say the day after you'll be announcing pandemic Saturday. Well, like I said, there's a lot of time to go. Who knows what's going to happen in the next few months? Who the fuck knows? We might be doing this a lot longer. Variant,

verite. It's like, oh shit doing this a lot longer. Variant, verite. Oh shit, this variant isn't covered by the vaccinations. We start again. But so 420 jams. It's a personal question, but are you too high right now?

I'm high on life. I'm high on AstraZeneca. You got your beverage, Mike. Crack it open. So here, I'm going on life. I'm high on AstraZeneca. You got your beverage, Mike. Crack it open. So here, I'm going to crack open a fresh craft beer from Great Lakes Brewery. Shout out to Great Lakes. So this is my 420 drug of choice here. Hold on.

I'm just going to dedicate this to my neighbor, Kareem. So shout out to Kareem. I'm just going to dedicate this to my neighbor, Kareem. So shout out to Kareem. And to answer your question, I don't remember the last time I actually partook in smoking of the J or whatever they say nowadays. But I do take, what do you call it? Vitamin D. I take CBD. I take CBD every night.

So is that the CBD oil? Is that the oil? I take CBD every night. So is that the CBD oil? Is that the oil? I take the oil. I don't think that makes me cool enough to head on downtown to downtown Vancouver and hang out at the art gallery. On the beach, smoking joints with 12-year-olds, but

that's what happens here every 420. I don't know if there is one in Toronto, but there's one here that used to be at the art gallery right downtown and now it's at one of the beaches they've canceled them the last couple of years but we were talking about like 15 000 people showing up to this event and everybody just getting really stoned and people in the west end would complain that they were getting stoned off of the people getting stoned. It's pretty incredible.

Secondhand smoke. Secondhand smoke. Due to the guest who's going to pop in, I'm going to start with Stu. So Stu is not with us live on this Zoom, but he's here in spirit, and he loves 420. So let's open with a word from Stu Stone. Hey, Mike, Cam, Bill, FOTMs, FOSSs, Stu Stone here. Stu Stone, the D is silent on the last name. And I am not silent because I do like this topic.

Mike, please don't play the song yet. Please. Please. Happy 420 to those who celebrated. Happy vaccination for those who have been jabbed. And if you haven't been jabbed, you will be. You will be. I just wanted to send some love and tell you that I'll be back next week, which is exciting.

And this one goes out to Kareem. This goes out to Bojana. And this one goes out to all the listeners who partake, as they say. My 420 Gem is going to be a rap group, a hip-hop outfit out of California. And I would say that in the early 90s, weed was sort of commercialized in a mainstream way through a lot of hip-hop music. And specifically, I want to give credit to this band who made their entire career out of sort of embracing the marijuana culture.

They're called Cypress Hill mind blow here they have a song that I'm about to play here that you might recognize and I'll let one of you guys sort of decipher where the sample comes from if you're a Pulp Fiction fan you probably know it and Mike you can go ahead and light one if you got it. Don't pass it, because I think the days of passing joints are over. And in this particular instance, pack a bowl, because I'm about to play Cypress Hill, Hits from the ball. It's from the ball. It's from the ball.

It's from the ball. Pick it, pack it, fire it up, come along. shout out to FOTM Carol Pope do you two gentlemen know what the sample is on this song? Yeah, yeah, I do. I don't. Well, it's pretty obvious, Bill. I'm a bit disappointed in you, but let us know, Cam. What are we listening to?

So it's Dusty Springfield, the ex of FOTM Carol Pope, son of a preacher man. By the way, Mike, what a mind blow by Carol Pope talking about hanging out at Dusty Springfield's funeral with the Pet Shop Boys. Rosie Gray Teo

almost updated Carol Pope's Wikipedia page with that little nugget because that's a great little fun fact there. Not fun because she's dead, but you know. No, no doubt, no doubt. We should have done what they were doing at live.torontomic.com and tried to guess what Stu was going to open with

because I was pretty, I mean, I'm not shocked at all that he went with this song, but I, for some reason, thought he'd go with like Sublime's Smoke Two Joints. That's kind of the one I thought he might go with. I went with one or the other, and he took the other. I knew it was good. I had a feeling

Cypress Hill was going to get some play today, and I thought, I could see Cam or Mike picking it, but if anybody's really going to go with Cypress Hill and specifically Hits From The Bong it's going to be Stew Stone yeah this one seems like a no brainer I feel like I

I'm always reticent to pick any hip hop I had a few that were on my short list for this but I always get sort of flamed get put on blast like Susan Hay on the Humble andred show that's a great that's a great fucking reference well done yeah so this is deep deep cut yes that's for me that's for my benefit only i think although of course i saw on twitter that uh our friend brother bill has private

uh mentoring sessions with humble howard is that what i saw on twitter there bill oh i wouldn't say it was a prior. Well, yeah, I guess so. I mean, Howard and I hadn't caught up in quite some time. And so we spent about 52 minutes talking to each other. I think that's the most one period of time that we had spoken to each other that long. I mean, usually it's five minutes here,

a couple of minutes here. I say hi to him, you know, but no, it was 52 minutes of greatness. Howard partakes. He's a big 420 guy. He's a big fan of the holiday. Has he like long, is he a long time user? Has he been holding for many years? He's been holding, you know, he, he jokes that, you know, he used to, you know, meet his dealer in the back alley. And now he walks into the boutique or whatever. But, yeah, he's been using a long time. But he's been, the last few years, I think he's been, since he quit alcohol, he's been using an awful lot, actually. He's a big 420 fan.

God bless. Like our stew stone. You know what? Good for him. God bless. Like our stew stone. You know what? Good for him.

I don't know about you guys, but it just makes me paranoid and want to sit in the corner and not talk to anybody. Yeah. Mike, here, let's get real again. Real talk. What's your stance, Mike? Okay, I'll tell you. I'll be very honest with you. What's your history? What's your history?

I haven't touched it since I was, I'd say, 20 years old. That's the truth. So we're going back 26 years now. I have been wanting it legalized forever. I have wanted to, forget decriminalize, I've wanted to legalize it. Like, I'm very, very glad where we're at, like, as a progressive society when it comes to cannabis. I, and I have teenagers, I have a 19-year-old and a 16-year-old, and I'm always telling them, go nuts, but wait have teenagers, I have a 19 year old and a 16 year old and I'm always telling them,

go nuts, but wait, like I always tell them, just wait till that brain has finished developing. Like, if you want to, you know,

I don't like the, I don't, I've read too much literature about what it can do to a teenage brain and I've asked, I've asked my, yes,

I've asked my teenagers, just maybe when you're in your mid-20s, you can begin your experience. But try to let that brain fully develop before you celebrate 420. I think that's good guidance for sure. Yeah, I'd be curious. Yeah, I'm sort of similar.

I never really hung around with people who did it. But what about Stu? Was Stu a user in high school or is this an LA phenomenon when you went to LA? Yeah, they, like our crowd was, but it was one of the things I loved about my high school. There was sort of like our whole group with a lot of the names you've heard over the years,

DJ Fardzy and Stu Stone and the big Rybowski and all the greats. And like kind of like half the crew would do it regularly but then there'd be the other half like myself who wouldn't and it was just kind of it wasn't really a big deal and there certainly wasn't like weird peer pressure or anything i don't think anyone cared like our school was very like uh it was just sort of like chill everyone was like for like the nerds and the cool kid like there was there weren't really levels so i i don't know like it was a long time ago maybe i'm just remembering it well just a couple of comments i want to reference at live

dot toronto mic dot com right now one is cambrio he says stew cam and hayden were ripping weed in high school but that's actually i wish hayden was there. That'd be awesome. That's not true. And Canada Kev, who we know he partakes, we've all seen the visual evidence. He says he found his 17-year-old daughter's stash yesterday. So that's an experience I'm not having. I'll be very honest, and I would be honest with this. My 19, 16, almost 17-year-old, and I know you're going to tell me

that teenagers lie to their parents, but I don't think the way I am with my kids, I actually don't think they lie to me. They just tell me. I don't believe either is partaking in celebrating 420. Yeah. I don't know. I sort of feel like,

and I feel like there's a lot of like evidence of this too. Like alcohol is like way worse. Oh, I'm sure. In many ways. As I drink my fresh craft beer from Great Gatsby. Yeah, but it's like way worse. Oh, I'm sure. In many ways. As I drink my fresh craft beer from Great Britain. Yeah, but it's like anything about it. Like I think, you know, fast, like processed food is probably perhaps worse than like alcohol or cannabis. Like who knows?

But I don't know. Everything in moderation. You know, you're right, Cam. When you get into your 50s, you have to start going for all of these tests just to make sure you're not dying sooner than you should. And so I did recently and had all the blood tests, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And the only problem that I've had, according to my doctor, who called me two days ago, was a cholesterol issue. And that's from, well, he told me it's probably, what do you call it? The family, it runs in the family. The heretic.

Genetic. Genetic. But also it's diet. And fast food is a killer. Just the way tobacco is a killer. Right. The way alcohol is a killer. The way, I mean, you could say hard drugs is a killer.

You know, everything in moderation with the exception. See, the hard drugs kind of conversation. I don't want to get too heavy on you guys, but I live in British Columbia, as you know. And we have an epidemic out here that's not just a pandemic. It's a drug issue. And we have people dropping every day and dying far too young because they're getting laced shit drugs. They're getting fentanyl and they're getting bad heroin and bad cocaine mixed with all these drugs.

And, you know, so, Mike, you mentioned the legalization of marijuana. Well, I hate to sound like the socialist from the West, but until we legalize every drug, every single drug, these people are going to continue to die. And because this is not happening in Toronto, and it's not happening close to Ottawa, it's being ignored by the other side of the Rockies. And people who work in healthcare here know that. And, you know, people like myself believe that. I mean, there's just too many people here dying of drug overdoses. And it's, it's sad. And it's unfair. And until again, we legalize drugs like they have in Portugal. We're not going to see this change. And,

and that's my big statement for today. I want to have fun with the rest of the show, but I wanted to make sure I got to say that because I'm glad you did. I'm glad you did because you're absolutely right. In fact, just last, actually this week, that's how long a week it's been this week. Ken Daniels was on the program and his son his only son uh accidental fentanyl overdose because he was addicted to opiates yeah i mean for years we for years sorry to interrupt cam for years we handed out pharmacies handed out handed out pharma fucking poisoned with these kids,

got them addicted, got them in this vicious cycle. And a guy like Mr. Daniels lost his son because of it. And it's unacceptable. It really is unacceptable. And again, it all comes down to legalization of all hard drugs, soft drugs, drugs, and making sure that it's handled and distributed properly. Amen. Amen, brother. I totally agree.

It was actually, strangely, I was just talking to my mom last night. I don't even know why we started talking about this, as I think I've mentioned, mainly in the context of her delivering babies for Dan Hill and members of the platinum one. She worked as a nurse for many years, like in labor delivery for a good chunk of her career. But then she worked in a private clinic who were like,

people would just be like their family doctor for about 15 years. And this was during the nineties. And she said like the drug reps and all this shit, they were even pushing on like you know a random family doctor working in north york like she worked at like a clinic at like shepherd and don mills she said it was like fucking crazy like the marketing material and like all these like all the antidepressants and all this like shit like sort of the popularization of that and that you know not to be all like pharma, but she saw it with her own eyes

and my mom's not really like that. She's pretty... I would say my mom's like a capitalist, but my mom's just like, this is kind of how free market works. But she said it was really fucked up to see it firsthand.

Glad you guys are talking about this. Tonight we're celebrating the herb, okay? We're celebrating cannabis. And there's a whole bunch of well-documented medicinal benefits. But this is a plant. And you're right. The real enemy is the, you know, I think it was Ken who said, he said like, okay, you're going to get your,

you're going to get your wisdom you're going to get your, what is it? Wisdom teeth extracted by an oral surgeon. And they're going to offer you Percocets. Say no, take Advil. Like he's basically, you know, you don't know, you don't know if you're the type that will become addicted until you do it. And, and once you're addicted, where that leads and the, you, and you mentioned the fentanyl, it's just dangerous ground. Yeah, it's terrifying. And it destroys lives. Yep.

Not just the people who've done it, who have died, but the people that have to pick up or try and pick up their pieces afterwards, like Mr. Daniels. It's just terrible. No, absolutely. I want to just shout out real quickly,

because I'm just trying to time this perfectly with our special guest here, but I just want to just shout out real quickly, because I'm just trying to time this perfectly with our special guest here. But I just want to say hello to Ty Catman. He says, preach brother, he says. So I went to high school with Ty Catman. That's Drew Gorski. He was supposed to be the prime minister, but he let me down. Okay, but it's Ty Catman, right? Like Hamilton Ty Cats? I don't get that either. He's from Brampton. He's a good guy. I haven't seen him in 40 years, but he's there 35. Well, he's enjoying

the show. Thank you very much, Ticatman. Hi, Ticatman. Joe Cororo, who I've never known how to say that, but he says, better to burn out than to fade away. Can't cut the red meat, he says. Okay. And then Al the Royal Pain. Shout out to Al Grego. He says,

let's make Mitch Hedberg the patron of 420. So that's what Al's pushing for. And who else do I want to shout out? I just want to shout out, Lieve Fumka is on board watching us. The special guest has arrived, so I will leave this now. I know Andrew Ward was in here.

Beck was in here.ck was in here there's a whole bunch of activity uh live.torontomic.com i'm going to go first just this once because our special guest is here for 10 minutes let's say hello to our special guest it's exciting right guys you don't know who's gonna show up i have some guesses ladies and gentlemen oh look we're making his lawyer making his pandemic friday debut mr lauren honickman oh hey this is uh this is an honor i i'm on pandemic friday mike actually gonna be pandemic friday he said he wanted me to come on This is an honor. I'm on Pandemic Friday. Mike didn't even tell me it was actually going to be Pandemic Friday. He said he wanted me to come on and talk about what I'm going to talk about. Yeah, don't mention it because I'll play it and then you'll talk.

Yeah, but look where I am. Listen, this is something. Mike, you know. It only took 58 weeks. I would have counted the hours this morning if you would have told me this. Brother Bill, have you ever met Lorne Honigman? Oh, no, but I grew up in Toronto, so obviously I watch City TV, so I know Lorne very well. if you would have told me this brother bill have you ever met lauren honickman oh no but i i i grew up in toronto so obviously i watch city tv so i know lauren very well i remember you with a mustache

though do i am i getting that a mustache and i created the great mullet of the late 80s you did but you know what is this is an honor sir i i again i've been i was a watcher of city tv all through the the 70s 80s when when you were the man always mr serious yeah i remember you were the you were the guy wouldn't you you were you were one step past silverman he was the watch it buddy you wouldn't even let that happen mr well you know you know, it's funny. I was watching the Doug Ford press conference today, and I saw people online going, oh my God, the media was so hard on Premier Ford. And I'm thinking like, wow, just go back in time to see what it was like back then when we really asked the real questions. And, uh you know our prime minister

doesn't get many of them at all so yeah i was it was a different group back then than you see on the street today that's for sure but it's a pleasure to be here i mean it's it's i will use the word honor you know to uh you guys created a a uh i know it came out of a bad thing, i.e. the pandemic, but you guys created a great weekly get-together and good for you. So thank you for bringing me on. I appreciate it. So you're here, Lorne, because you're going to help me kick out my first jam. Formal introduction. So Brother Bill, just so you know, Lorne, he was a great DJ on 102.1 The Edge CFNY. Yes. I loved him then.

I love him now. In the 1800s. In the 1800s. But this handsome gentleman, not that Brother Bill's not, not that he's not handsome, but Cam Gordon. He's a big time VP of something or other at Twitter Canada. He's kind of a big deal. I'm just on staff. All right. Nice to meet you, Lauren. big time VP of something or other at Twitter Canada. He's kind of a big deal. So,

uh, I'm just on staff. All right. Nice to meet you, Lauren. He's a director. So how about this? I'm going to start a song cause we're doing four 20 jams.

I'm going to start my song. I'll fade it down. And then Lauren, I'll point to you and you'll talk us, uh, talk to us about the song. So here we go. My first Jam. Well, they'll stone you when you're trying to be so good

They'll stone you just like they said they would They'll stone you when you're trying to go home They'll stone you when you're there all alone But I would not feel so all alone Everybody must get stoned well they'll stone you when you're walking on the street there you go there you go 55 years ago right leading off the first song uh first side uh on blonde on blonde um and um a song of course because of the way it sounds everybody immediately oh yeah it's about drugs and whatever and and it very well maybe but mr dylan himself, who was asked that probably more than any other question,

you know, said that, no, I never have and never will write a song, a drug song. And it's, you know, it's a typical double entendre for Mr. Dylan. I mean, there was, he even hinted that it could be something that came from the Bible about people getting stoned. Everybody had a had some something to say about the song. But what was so interesting when you listen to it and it sort of had that that carnival sound to it. And the producer back then, it was this great producer back then. I think his name was Bob Johnson. He said that, you know, they wanted to do it.

They wanted to get a Salvation Army sound to it, you know, trumpet, trombone, and they all sat around. And interestingly, guys, it was the first song on the first side that was a double album with some unbelievable music on it. But it was the last song that they recorded. And it was, it was one of his hits, if you can call it that. And to this day, you know,

people will say, well, you know, it's like, it's like all talking about drugs or whatever. And I think he just laughs at that. I think even to this day, he'll still laugh at that.

Lauren, I have a question. And Lauren. So do I. I have a few questions, but is it not true, is it not true that Rainy Day Woman is a name for a joint, a marijuana cigarette, is known as a Rainy Day Woman? Right. And again, that was what people said. And then if you ask,

and you'll go through some of the archives and some of the interviews, people say, well, where did that name come from? And everybody said, oh, they were in a studio. You see, let me just set this up for you. So Dylan had just come. He was just going to start that big tour, if you know anything about his life with with robbie robertson uh who now was part of the band and the band was going to be touring with dylan this was the tour that they went to europe and he got he got booed at in in england they called him judas that one person yells out because he was playing electric music so robbie robertson went with him they went to nashville and dylan was basically writing songs while the band was waiting.

They had a young Al Cooper there on the organ. He was he he talked about that session and he'd come out and, you know, he'd say, here's a song and they would do it. Well, the legend has it or one of the stories has it that a woman and her daughter came into the recording studio out of the rain and Dylan guessed their ages because they came in there you know they were soaking wet from the rain 12 and 35 and he said rainy day woman 12 and 35 but people Mike like you said no no it's got to be about drugs it's got to be so it's got to be find out a woman type of link to drugs okay brother your turn well no that was my question i wanted to know where the title came from because i figured there would be a story but i can tell you this lauren where i grew up in brampton ontario in the 1980s that was not a biblical song that was a song about getting stoned that's's what that was about. So you can tell me all the stories you want and I, I, I don't doubt them,

but I'm just saying in context for my friends, it was just about smoking, smoking doobies as they say. Of course. And, but what a great, I mean, just, you know, they'll stone you. And he, by the way, when he played that on tour, he'd always change the lyrics, right? That's the great thing about the song. You can change the lyrics, you know, they'll stone you when you're on Toronto Mike, you know, like, you know, you can do it at any time. But it was always that, you know, everybody must get stoned. And you think about it again, this is this is 1966. You know, or, you know, when the album's coming out out and that's, that's just nobody,

nobody back then is going to read into that song or, well, maybe it's about religion or, you know, everybody's doing what you did brother that exactly that that's what, what, what the song was about. And, and of course, again, by the way, I think I, I had, I was listening to you guys live while I was doing some work here and I just out of the, I had you, I was listening to you guys live while I was doing some work here. And I, just out of the corner of my ear, I was hearing a rap going there. Uh, I can't remember what you were playing. Uh, hits from the bong Cypress Hill. Okay. You know, and I've always, and I said to

Mike once, I said, people don't realize about Mr. Dylan, you know, this, this guy invented rap because rap is just, you know, it's phraseology, you know, and if I, I had an argument with some kids at my firm back when we could get together, you know, who, who were talking about Drake and, you know, the great rappers and, you know, and, you know, I went on, I went online, I went, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to do this. You know, I, I, I'm going to listen to this now. I'm gonna do this you know I I'm I'm gonna listen to this now I'm not gonna be the old dude in the room I'm gonna listen to this and I'm listening and it's like you know went to the store she wanted more she must be a or I don't know you

know I'm getting sore and I went oh so I went back and I said, no, listen to this. Johnny's in the basement mixing up the medicine. I'm on the pavement thinking about the government. Man in a trench coat, badge off, laid off. Says he's got a bad cough, wants to get it paid off. And they go, what's that? I said, that's Dylan, 1965. Subterranean homesick blues, maybe the first rap song. You know, so, you know, sorry.

That's valid. Getting carried away with my Dylanology here. What other podcast has Lorne Honigman rapping? I think this is a tremendous exclusive. It'll be very good for my legal career, I hope, down the road. Okay, your legal career, which is fine. I'm glad that you're having some success there. But I'm more excited about your legal career, which is fine. I'm glad that you're having some success there, but I'm more excited about your legal podcast.

Okay, so you have a brand new podcast, Judgment Day with Lauren Honigman. So everyone who's interested in your takes and you're such a good broadcaster and you're able to kind of take complex legal arguments and decisions and simplify them for dumb people like me. People should really should subscribe to judgment day with Lauren Honigman. I've actually got like convenient subscription links.

If you click TMDS podcasts at the top of Toronto, Mike.com, it's also on your, your YouTube page. You can watch Lauren. It looks fantastic so lauren congrats on that i have a thank you mike and it's because of you you know mike mike bought bug me for about a year said it why don't we give it a try and we're giving it a try i think one of the things we're doing with it is just and the thing i was doing when i was on cp24 for all those years when

i had that show legal briefs, just try to bring the law to the people, right? It's just, it's really hard to do. And especially in this day and age. So we're giving it a whirl. We'll see how it goes.

You want a piece of trivia? Maybe you versus brother. I think we've lost a cam to more pressing. Yeah, no, I was just on mute. Sorry. I was trying to like chime into the subterranean

i had some great insights there now i thought you got a call from your mom about uh you know the previous topic but yeah what did you want to say before i give you the fun the trivia what did you want to say to lauren about rainy day i'm gonna get the title right because nobody gets it right but i'm gonna get right rainy right. Rainy Day Woman number 12 and 35. I was thinking about the one that's like the rap song. It was like Subterranean Homesick Blues.

That's also I feel like was one of the first music videos. That's when he's got the cards and he's showing that and Allen Ginsberg's walking behind him. Yeah, that was one of the first videos. Yeah, iconic. The other one um uh in and around the same time was it's all right ma i'm only bleeding and that also if you listen to it it's got um darkness at the break of noon shadows even the silver spoon the handmade blade the child's balloon eclipses both the sun and moon you

understand you know too soon there is no sense in trying I think Frank Sinatra even once complimented Dylan he said like I got the phraseology from being able to do these things from Bob Dylan I remember somehow reading that at some point you know Lauren let me ask you I mean obviously you're a massive fan of Bob Dylan and rightly so given what the man's musical uh background and and category or catalog is I'm just wondering it's hard to compare I know with modern day artists today but has there ever been anyone since Bob Dylan who you thought that's pretty close maybe not exactly because you can't be exact but is there anybody even close at that that's an interesting question and I wish there was I wish there was somebody from pretty close, maybe not exactly because you can't be exact, but is there anybody even close?

That's an interesting question. And I wish there was, I wish there was somebody from the last 10 to 15 years that I could say that because it is, you always get smacked back, right? And say, well, you're just, and I use the expression old dude, you know, you're just, you're from that different era and you just, you can't enjoy what we're doing now. But, but the answer is no, I mean, you know, Springsteen came close in a lot of ways and you know, I'll, you know, I've saw, look, I am a huge Springsteen fan, but, but still not, not to that same level. And, and, and to be fair as well, if somebody said, well, you know, he's not writing the same things now. And that's true. I will be the, you know,

I'm not one of those Dylan fans that, that talk about him in the last 10 years and go, this guy's unbelievable. Some people do. So maybe I am sort of trapped in an era if you will. But I haven't really, and I, and I, and I must say, maybe I haven't given it enough open mind and looking at the, and listening to the music as much as I should but no it's you know you you go back and you listen to some of that stuff anybody right now I just told you that blonde on blonde album even if you haven't really listened

you just go back and listen to it and you know song just like a woman was on that album um I want you that came from that I'm stuck inside a mobile with those you know Memphis blues again and you know the line in that song what you know Ruby said come see me in her honky-tonk lagoon you know we'll we'll dance we'll waltz for free meet the Panamanian moon and she said uh oh on now. Don't you know about my debutante? And I said, your debutante knows what you need, but I know what you want. You know? And then, and then you sit there and you say, okay, well, that's 1966. And so when did you can't always get what you want? I remember thinking that to myself, I go, did Mick steal that from Dylan?

You know, like, but anyway, I recommend to anybody, anybody just listen to some of those older albums and you will appreciate a lot of it and see how so much music was influenced by him today. I feel like he doesn't get enough credit for popularizing the album format. I think everyone gives it to the Beatles because i mean

you know and they certainly are a big part of the equation but you know all those ones you just mentioned like a full-length album still really wasn't a thing like albums are still collections of singles sure prior to that and these are like collected works like really blood on the tracks in 1974 when his marriage ended blood on the, if you listen to that entire album, which of course, he even said once, he said, it really shocked me how much people love my pain, like it was about his marriage breaking up, and Tangled Up in Blue, which leads that album, and I think it may be, it's my favorite Dylan song, actually. And then it's the whole story of his life with Sarah.

And there's a song on that album called Idiot Win. And you can go and you can watch it on YouTube when he was live and during the Rolling Thunder review and when the way he, the words and the way he spits out that song. the way he the words and and the way he spits out that that that song and it's uh it it it I I've played it to people who had never heard or really listened to Dylan and you just you go wow and they'll the reaction is yeah that's that's unbelievable because you're absolutely correct Cam it's it's it's all part of that whole entire album and and themes and he had that right it's all part of that whole entire album and themes. And he had that, right? It's he had that all the time and it's, there's a lot to learn from him to this day. And I think one of the things that I like is when I hear musicians,

even younger musicians talk about them in that same way. And so it's, it's for me, I can't get tired of it. I can't get, and I'll be, I'll even admit something as well. I love watching old Beatle videos, too. You know, I can put on Beatles at Shea Stadium and watch that 100 times because I get you just when you look at people who have a certain greatness, you say you hear something each time that you didn't hear before. That's what happens to me. Lauren, are you a Neil Young guy too? Like Neil Young's kind of the only person I feel like is in sort of Dylan's like arc of like just all these different phases. Great example. Great example. And music is the ultimate time capsule. And it, it, you know, for yourself personally too, Lauren,

I'm sure that it just you listen to Bob Dylan or you listen to Neil Young or you listen to the Beatles and it takes you to a place that doesn't exist anymore, but it's still up there and it will be there forever. Listen to Cypress Hill hit from the bong back in the day.

I just want to shout out a few comments that came in at live.toronto Mike since you popped on, Lauren. One is from Levi Fumka who says that Judgment Day with Lauren Honigman is great. I really liked his last episode about online harassment.

So that's Lieve Fumka is listening and she's digging it. Others should follow suit. Canada Kev says 12 and 35. Okay, so it's Rainy Day Woman 12 and 35, right? 12 times 35 he This rainy day woman, 12 and 35. 12 times 35, he says, equals 420. There you go.

Come on, Lorne. Barely about drugs. I have no further submissions, Your Honor. You've heard my argument. This is what happens to me in court. You've heard my submissions, Your Honor. YYZ Gord just says, quite the

collection of hosts, he says. Very cool. He's enjoying your participation here. So, Lorne, I gotta say... I'm gonna run, guys. I do have to go here. But I thank you for having me on. That was a pleasure. And I got to talk

about Bob Dylan. Thank you for listening to me. Well, before you exit, Cam, can we get the pic with Lauren so I can attend? Oh, yeah, for sure. Okay, so Lauren, just pose for the cameras. Here we go. I just have the Zoom screen. I look at the camera. Standby.

Oh, wait a second. Bear with me here. that this is part of this is part of the shtick okay one two three are we good got it yeah thank you lauren what an honor to meet you sir thanks buddy you're amazing talk soon take care of my friend so what do you think that's mind blowing man huge yeah that's mind blowing, man. Yeah. That's mind blowing. Yeah. I was going to say, you should like package it up,

send it to like the friendly stranger and they could sponsor judgment night. On it. Honestly, Mike, if, if I could just, you know, I said to Lauren,

but yeah, and I would say it to him again. I mean that his era of city TV is just like like man i mean for me that's what i grew up watching and and just they they were doing shit that no one else was doing and you know lauren's lawyer pretty straight edge guy back in the day always serious you know but man it's just it was part of the entire cosmos of city tv that just is unmatched brother bill that whole city tv environment that moses built uh i'm it's pretty much the reason that toronto mic exists today like i'm essentially just trying to collect the same kind of characters and give everyone a voice honestly i was so incredibly inspired by that city tv environment that you're

referring like just think it's like 30 years later for a lot and we're still talking about like newscasts right well and like what the fuck like it's crazy right where's colin vaughn when we need him and the thing is to the two city tvs credit you know i guess you could have the argument, who had the first storefront studio? But I'm going to be honest, the idea, the concept, I believe, we took from City TV. I think Much Music and City were the first ones doing it. And then we opened up the edge

of Bloor and Bathurst, and it worked for us too. But boy, that environment, the Much Music environment, although I never personally got a chance to go down and enjoy it like I saw on TV all the time right i can't imagine the the brilliance in that what was the address on queen street 299 299 you know why originally it was 99 queen street east east and then they moved to 299 queen street west so even starting at 99 Queen Street East with the likes of Gord Martineau and What's her name?

Ann Roskosk? Oh, Deanie Petty Deanie Petty FOTMs everywhere Even the guy who ended up in New York, a big sports broadcaster Oh, Saltzman, Russ Saltzman Right, all of those people Right up to Gallagher and Gross And fuck, you could just

Jim McKinney like oh my god they're all FOTMs you're right as many as I can because I love those guys but I gotta pinch myself that I now get to work with Lorne Honigman with Peter Gross sometimes with John Gallagher when he's you know that's a whole different

kettle of water the real personalities of Toronto I don't know about you when Brother Bill here and Lorne Honigman were like The real personalities of Toronto. I don't know about you. When Brother Bill here and Lorne Honigman were having a little discussion on Zoom, and I was keeping an eye on your window because you're like me. You just grew up. Right.

If you weren't watching City TV, you were listening to CFNY. That's a good point. This is fucking great. This is awesome. Think of it, i appreciate i appreciate you guys feeling that way because i i'm just like fanboy as well i just like i can't believe i'm talking to this guy yeah that's a big moment for me as inspired as i am on the you know by the city tv environment and what was happening there and that kinetic energy uh also as anyone who listens

to toronto mike knows same thing on cfNY like those are the two to me those are the two sources of uh and like the fact that I now have this somehow I have this forum where I could have a brother Bill talk to a Lauren Honigman about rainy day woman uh number 12 and 35 as a 420 jam like the fact that just happened here right now like I can't believe it. Shut it down. I'd just like to announce right now a new podcast between myself and Lorne called Talking Shit About Bands. Love it.

We'll work on that later. But now, because of that, this will be a four-hour episode. So let's get rocking and rolling. I've done my first jam, but let's start with Cam Gordon's first jam. Cam, anything to say before I press play? No, but I think that the first jam is going to be a good lead into this one

because these two artists have a relationship or we're in another band together. Here we go. Here we go. Let me run with you tonight I'll take you on a moonlight ride right There's someone I used to see But she don't give a damn for me Well let me get to the point Let's roll another joint.

Turn the radio to loud. I'm too alone to be proud. And you don't know how it feels. You don't know how it feels to be me. To be me Okay, so that of course is the late, great Tom Petty. You Don't Know How It Feels from 1994. From only his second proper solo album, Wildflowers. I feel like we spent probably too much time on Tron.

I might talk about confusion between Tom Cochran and Tom Cochran and Red Ryder and then Red Ryder. And which album? Tom Petty is a little like that, where I think Full Moon Fever and Wildflowers are both Tom Petty solo albums. And I feel like everything else up until that point was with the Heartbreakers of course um yeah I mean this was a big hit in Canada number three I mean Tom Petty was a rare 70s 80s artist that really transitioned well into the 90s he just seemed like he had we I mean we've talked about Tom Petty before I feel like you know pretty high approval rating across multiple genres yes um and this this this i feel like was maybe like his last big charting hit too um i feel like there are a few others that might have sort of dabbled uh in the billboard charts but uh this one was definitely up there and was all over much music too so cam was that song after his big album with free falling and all that

well after right that's after yeah okay i always thought it was before that's why i'm yeah so like full moon fever was i think 89 and then he had the album i think it was called into the great wide open that had like learning to fly and the song into the great wide open and last dance for mary jane is that uh yeah which i i think was like that was from that fucking annoying era where like people would put out the greatest hits collection with one extra track right right and in that case it's like you know that that was a fucking great well that's a weed song too right because any song of mary jane and it is uh 420 well i was gonna say we we could have a whole episode, songs that people think are about marijuana, but

maybe they're not. Before we dive a bit deeper into this song, we're actually going to get to the geography corner early. Do you guys know where Tom Petty's from? I do. Gainesville, Florida. I'm just going to rip through this because there's a lot of fucking famous

people from Gainesville. Wait a minute. Can we guess? Scott Stapp from Creed from Gesville uh he's from florida he's from maybe a different maybe he's uh jacksonville maybe yeah why don't we take some guesses it seems like there was there was a band from gainesville florida i can't remember what they were called but they were a american hardcore band and their big song was my Dog's Into Anarchy. That's all I remember. There's a University of Florida is in Gainesville? I think so, yeah.

There's actually, while we start, there's actually a lot of punk or like Warped Tour type bands there. So first, let's shout out Esri Canada and their Geographical Thinking podcast produced by TMDS. Let's go. Yeah, okay, here we go Let's go. Yeah. Okay. Here we go.

So buckle up here. Okay. Bands. We got against me. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. We got less than Jake. Okay.

We got hot water music. Okay. Nope. We're going to bring, we're going to bring it down a few. Less than Jake. Would you count that as the third wave of ska? I think so.

Yeah. Them and a real big fish and like all that sort of stuff. We have a band. I think we've heard on a past pandemic Fridays of forgotten CFNY hits for squirrels. Oh, you kicked it out. Yeah. The mighty KC was, was their hit. you kicked it out I think yeah the Mighty KC was their hit

we had talked about them before Cam and that was the band that lost three out of their five members in a car accident that's right just a terrible story about it yeah and that was like a posthumous song posthumous that too

it created a lot of posthumosity Sister Hazel yes of course It created a lot of posthumosity. Sister Hazel. Yes, of course. Sister Hazel. And then some soul artists and people from bands. We got Charles Bradley, great soul singer who we lost recently.

Minnie Ripperton. Oh, loving you. It's easy because you're beautiful. I love you too, Mike. Thank you. And then a couple of assholes here. We got Don Felder from the Eagles. And we also got someone that in my mind, I think might be the biggest asshole in rock and roll, Steven Stills.

Wow. Okay. And then I'm going to run through a bunch of actors here. Somebody really famous. Somebody really famous is from Gainesville, right? Well, we got the Phoenix family. So we got Joaquin and River Phoenix. They're pretty famous.

Plus all the other brothers and family members. This is crazy. I've actually been to a comedy club, if you can believe it. Some guy doesn't like comedy, but I actually saw this guy perform at the comedy cellar in New York. Daryl Hammond. Of course, from Saturday Night Live. SNL.

And then we've also got Steven Root. Yeah, I love Steven Root. He'sl Hammond. Of course, from Saturday Night Live. And then we've also got Stephen Root. Yeah, I love Stephen Root. He's in News Radio. And Milton from Office Space. Oh, right. And then a ton of athletes too. We got Udonis Haslam from the Miami Heat who still plays the oldest player in the NBA.

We got Al Horford, arguably the most boring player in the NBA. We got Vernon Maxwell, the NBA. We got Vernon Maxwell, Mad Max. We got Roger Maris. Wow, 60. We got fucking Emmett Smith. Wow, from the great

Cowboys. And just one more. We got Tim Tebow. That's quite the list, though. I've been to Gainesville. It's not that big. That's like a real who's who of names. I've been to Gainesville It's not that big No I mean that's like a real Who's who Who's who of names You've got all

You've got lots of big names there Yeah Or Matchbox 20 Not from Gainesville They're from Florida too I don't know where they're from But I think I feel like they were like

Tampa I don't know Yeah I'll just say Like again We sort of buried the lead here We're supposed to be talking About Tom Petty I will say that this album

Was produced by Rick Rubin In a produced by Rick Rubin in a year that Rick Rubin also produced albums, 1994 for Johnny Cash, Slayer, Danzig, and Sir Mix-a-Lot. Wow. And Tom Petty,

Wildflowers. And this was the first album he did with Johnny Cash, the American recording series that had A Feast of Me and just kind of kicked off his fourth, fifth wave of Johnny Cash. Rusty Cage, a lot of great jams in that, yeah. Totally. Delia's gone, sure.

Well, everybody wanted to work with Rick Rubin in the 90s. That's how you reinvented your career by working with Rick Rubin. Totally. And you guys, fun fact that everybody knows, who's Minnie Riperton's daughter? Who wants to tell me? Oh yeah, she was on my list

too as famous people born in Gainesville. Large Riperton? Good guess. Tell us, Cam. Who is Minnie Riperton's daughter? Oh God, I'm forgetting what her name is. Okay, I'll help you. Maya Rudolph. Maya Rudolph. Oh, okay. At the end of Loving You, I think And at the end of Loving You,

I think that at the end of Loving You, I think Minnie Riperton shouts out baby Maya. Like she was like five years old or she was very young anyways. And says, I love you, Maya, or something at the end of that. Minnie Riperton died like really, really young. That's a tragic tale.

Terrible story. And she died of cancer very young, like 32 or something like that. Okay, so great start. And you're right right there's a great link between Tom Petty and Bob Dylan our first two jams Cam because traveling Wilburys buddy yeah do you want brother Bill you want to say anything before I kick out your first jam well I think a lot of people thought this would have got Hanson so I wanted

to play it first so we'd make sure that it did not. So this has nothing to do with Bob Dylan, Tom Petty, or anyone like that. With the exception of he is also American. You can let it go. Roll another blunt. Yeah.

Oh, good. I was gonna clean my room Until I got high I was gonna get up and find the broom But then I got high My room is still messed up, and I know why Cause I got high, because I got high, because I got high I was gonna go to class before I got high

I could've cheated and I could have passed, but I got high. I'm taking it next semester and I know why. Because I got high. Because I got high. Because I got high. Go to the next one. Go to the next one. Go to the next one.

I was going to go to school before one, go to the next one. Like, does anybody not know who that is? That's Afro Man and Because I Got High. And shout out to Kevin Smith. Absolutely, who's in the video along with Jam. But he's the only reason, like, he's the only, I mean, I don't want to trample over your fun facts, so maybe I should back off here. All good, all good. Okay, because he's the only reason we mean, I don't want to trample over your fun facts, so maybe I should back off here. All good, all good. Okay, because he's the only reason we know this jam, right? Well, not really.

I mean, it was, yeah, because of the movie and such, but it was also an appearance on Howard Stern's show that did really well to push that single. Also Napster. It was a big song when Napster was massive and it got a lot of downloads and uploads and shares and things like that. Um, the guy's real name is Joseph Foreman. He began freestyling rap music in grade eight. He was one of these kids that, you know, would rap onto a cassette and then hand it to his buddies and say listen to this uh which is interesting because when i was

in high school i also did some rapping for a while uh there's a couple songs that'll never see the light of day was actually my myself and a friend of mine who is now an imam in los angeles wow um yeah did you have a name brother did you have like a rapping name that you want to tell us not that i can remember. It was probably rude anyway. I don't know what's going on with Cam right now, but it's like a living, talking head. No, I'm just getting some dinner, too.

Oh, is that what's going on? Yeah, Mike, when you turned your head, MF made a very brief appearance. I saw it. I missed it. Can you ask her to come back? I want to say hi. Do you want to come back?

No. She said no. Tell her we're not recording it. You can tell her. Yeah. Neil, sir. So the video portion of it, just with Cam,

he's just bouncing all over the place and it's just, what's going on over there? What's going on over there, Cam? Holy smokes. UNMF, what's happening? Go ahead. They're having a little bit

of a cooking bash. Woo! 420 at the Gordon residence. The first album from Afro Man was released in 1998. It was 2000 when we got Because I Got High. He was nominated for a Grammy. Wow. You'll never guess for what in 2002.

Best rap single. Best rap song. That's pretty good. Cam? I feel like best soundtrack. Like a song from a movie? Is that a category? No. Best rap solo performance.

Okay. That's what I meant. Joined Cypress Hill on the Smokeout Tour in 2002. Who doesn't remember that? Who does remember that? And just a couple of quick things. He was charged with assaulting a female in 2015 on stage after a show in Biloxi, Mississippi. Of course, he went to court and doesn't remember anything. I think Lorne Honigman represented him in that.

It could be possible. Anyway, that's not great news. But the video for Because I Got High from Afro Man has been viewed on YouTube over 195 million times. Wow. Crazy. Now, the legend is that this song was like... But this is still popular.

Well, every April 20th, I think people make sure they spin it. But wasn't this like in the bottom of a receptacle, a garbage can or some kind of receptacle, and Kevin Smith like takes out the cassette and says, hey, that's for my movie? Like, isn't there some legend about how Kevin Smith picks it out of the junk pile and then makes it famous? Like the masters of this song?

I don't know. There's some legend there. That's why I joked off the top that Kevin Smith was the only, uh, reason we actually know that song today because that, that song, all the life in that song was, uh,

was it Jay and silent Bob? What was the, what was the movie? Do you know what movie that was? Strike back? Was it, I think it might've been that. It might have been that. By the way, good question from Opran at live.torontomike.com.

He wants to know, is this available as a Shep Pettibone remix? And the answer, of course, is of course. Somewhere. Somebody. Shep's done it somewhere, I'm sure. Yeah, I'm glad you kicked that out, brother. That's a big one. I kicked that out.

I wanted to kick that mention, too. I kicked that out because we didn't play a lot of hip hop or rap with the exception of the Deadly Headly Show and sometimes Shepard. Right. But, you know, Afro Man, because I got high, was a big song for the edge. Actually, we played it. I was just going to ask you that. I seem to remember that being in rotation for sure.

Yeah, we played it for sure. Now, to get back in the right order, Cam Gordon is going to kick out his second jam. Yeah, we played it for sure. Now, to get back in the right order, Cam Gordon's going to kick out his second jam. Yeah, I've got my food. I'm all ready to go. So you want me to press play? It looks like you're balancing on a tightrope or something right now. Yeah, it's quite something. Oh my god, you would have seen all sorts of things if I didn't have this special background.

I think he is on a tightrope or something. I wish we were recording the video. It's fantastic. Do you want me to press play? Yeah. Yeah. Can you picnic? Whoa, can you surrey? Can you picnic? Come on, come on and surrey down to a stone-souled picnic. Can you surrey down to a stone-souled picnic? There'll be lots of time and wine Red, yellow, honey, sassafras and moonshine

Red, yellow, honey, sassafras and moonshine I'm going to quiz you guys. Do you guys know this song? I can say I do not know this song. I have no idea either. I love it. I love the... It sounds like it came out probably in the late 60s.

Bang on. From 1968. This is the song Stone Soul Picnic. And the artist is Laura Nero. Wow. It sounds really good. Like in the headphones, it sounds great, but I don't know it.

It does sound good. Yeah. Are you, are you guys familiar? Like, I feel like she's somebody who was a really big deal at the time, but I feel like because of, you know,

Joni Mitchell and Linda Ronstadt and all sorts of other female singer songwriters, Joan Baez of that era has sort of been swept away to history, and I'm not sure why. It's weird. My parents never really had that many records growing up, but they had a lot of Laura Nero records, including an album that's quite good called New York Tenderberry. Anyway, this song, Stone Soul Picnic,

this is her version, Laura Nero, but it was actually a big hit for the band fifth dimension of course uh dawning of the age of aquarius and yeah exactly and let the sun shine in and uh all that sort of stuff um she was sort of like you know similar to bob dylan who we heard off the top came up in new york city singer songwriter um wrote a lot of songs that were recorded later for other people like Stone Soul Picnic. One of the, I think it was the first hit she wrote was a song called And When I Die.

Do you know this song? Shout out to Ridley Funeral Home. Good sponsors of the program. Continue, please. I don't know this woman at all, Cam. This is all news to me. I've never heard of this lady. Yeah, it's weird.

It's one of those names you'll see her name and maybe learn a bit here and then. It's like, oh, she, for example, this is one of the fun facts, she actually performed at the Monterey Pop Festival. Like, you know, other than Woodstock, one of the real iconic shows of the 60s, sharing a stage with everyone from The Who,

The Grateful Dead, really famous like Otis Redding performance. Otis Redding, right. Almost like his comic coming out. Jimi Hendrix. And a very famous no-show by Beach Boys, Brian Wilson, Whole Meltdown. Her Wikipedia page, I'll just recommend,

everyone go to the Laura Nero Wikipedia page. It's really interesting. She was openly bisexual, which is kind of interesting but also had a relationship with jackson brown for a few years interesting ended up living with a painter named maria desiria and and sort of in the 70s and 80s and into the 90s um was not only a hardcore vegan like a lot of into like environmental stuff supposedly they tried to get her to be the the musical guest in the opener of saturday night live in 1993 wow when you think was popular in 1993 why they want lauren neron but wow again just like one of these artists that just lost the time like there's like i noticed

this with like with melanie okay melanie yeah she was Woodstock. She had these big hits in the early 70s and late 60s, early 70s. But I don't think anyone talks about Melanie anymore and she's still out there doing her thing. Certainly, beyond she appeared at Woodstock. And she did the great, I got a brand new pair of roller skates. You got a

brand new key. And look what they've done to my song, Ma, or whatever. She had a bunch of big ones. And two more bands that actually covered this song. Here's a couple of names we probably haven't talked about in 30 years or so. So we have Swing Out

Sister. Wow, of course. They had a big hit. What was the big hit? I think it was called Breakout. It was one of the girls from Bananarama. That right yeah exactly and then an artist that i think we did here on cf and y probably a one hand wonder by cf and y standards uh jill sobule i kissed a girl i kissed a girl fame not to care katie perry i kissed a girl katie perry yeah 94. Wow, that's a name I haven't heard in years either, Cam. Yeah, but a lot of people covered this song,

Stone Soul Picnic, which I assume is like going to a picnic and getting stoned. Good jam. And her name is Lauren Nero. And Nero is like N-Y-R-O. What's the first name? Laura. Laura. Like Laura Secord.

Like Laura Secord. Yeah, I'm curious if any of the FOTMs in the chat room are any Laura Nero fans out there. Or their grandparents. Yeah. Maybe my parents are in the chat room. They should be. Yeah, maybe they are.

Alright, good choice, Cam. Good going here. Now, second jam for Brother Bill. Do you want to say anything before I play? The 1970s, a lot of people talked about smoking marijuana or drugs, period. And this was a band out of the UK that had a pretty big song where you guys are right now. And this was the song, Go Let It Roll. song go let it roll Morning, Ron. I mean, I ask myself, do I really need to be permanently high?

Stay awake for hours? Or once my life was black? Cause I've got drugs in my pocket and I don't know what to do with them. Drugs in my pocket. Drugs in my pocket. Yeah, I've got drugs in my pocket. I'm wearing out these shoes for them. All right, so if you roller skated in the 1970s in Toronto,

maybe you remember in the late 1970s a song by a band called The Monks, and the song was called Drugs in My Pocket. I don't know if you remember that song. Either one of you guys remember that song. I do. It was a big hit at my primary school on the school bus. It was a big hit on like at my primary school on like the school bus. It was a big, big jam. Drugs in my pocket. Are you serious?

Yeah, I know. I'm dead serious. Like this was like we all thought of it. Yeah. And there was some kind of I don't know if it was a parody, but frogs in your pocket. Does this ring a bell? No, not really. a bell of anybody no not really but uh you know it's it's an interesting song because when i was 12 years old no nowhere near uh ready to choose a career i remember sitting by my radio and

i think it was chum or yeah it would have been chum at the time the am station had a countdown every week and i so wanted this song to be number one i bought the 45 and i didn't know that you know i was 12 year old kid i wasn't thinking oh this is about about drugs and bad things and stuff and you know just to hear it again uh brings back some memories that's for sure three of the five members of the monks were actually from a uk band called cam you'll know this name i think the strobs does that ring a bell? Okay, yeah, sure. Who are like a power pop band, sort of, I think.

From like 1964. They're like Spinal Tap, without it being Spinal Tap. It was like a real band. I mean, out of the UK. Never really famous outside of Europe and the UK, but a select group of people, I'm sure, know who they are. The number one market for The Monks, because they only put out a couple of albums, the number one market for the monks, Toronto, Canada. That explains why I'm hearing it on the school bus.

This is why. Nobody else seems to know. It reached number four on the charts, but I swear it reached number one because I remember being a kid and listening to the radio and it was number one. Anyway, the album is called Bad Habits. It went double platinum in Canada, which at the time was 200,000 units. Not anymore, as 1236 explained to us. They were kind of this new wave kind of poppy punk thing going on.

But because the guys were all older and from, you know, sort of the mid 60s to early 70s guys like johnny rotten called the monks he called them patronizing rubbish in the 1970s in the late 1970s uh they followed up in 1981 with an album called suspended animation which went gold in canada and actually and i haven't heard of an international band ever doing this. They did a 21-date tour of Ontario, headlining or wrapping up with a headlining show at Massey Hall. Wow. Wow.

Holy shit. I got to find out what cities they played. Yeah, I would love to see. Yeah, like what is like the 20th biggest city on that? Georgetown. Yeah. New Market. love to see yeah like what is like the 20th biggest city like on that like georgetown yeah that like new market head north and yeah nags head north was in thornhill right yeah yeah like a woodbine just north of seals here's a bit of a mind blower before we move on so we don't have a five-hour show but this is a good one in 2012 at the horseshoe tavern on queen street obviously for those who forget uh they hosted a bad habits tribute featuring a super group playing the hits

of the monks so i don't know if you've ever heard any of their other stuff uh nice leg shame about her face they got a whole bunch of other songs that did quite well in your circle of in your neck of the woods anyway, but this super group playing the hits consisted of, here we go. Some name dropping here. Okay. Ian Blurton of change of heart.

Whoa. Kurt and Ryan doll of limb lifter. John Kastner of dough boys. Asexualism. All systems go. Wow. And Chris Murphy of slow. Go. Wow. And Chris Murphy of Slum. Wow.

2012, Bad Habits Tribute at the Horseshoe. Shout out to JC and everybody. Was this the album? This is the album had like a guy dressed up like a nun. I imagine. Was that the most? Close. It was a female, but dressed up like a nun, I imagine. Was that the one? Close, close. It was a female, but dressed up as a nun.

Is that Lorde mentioned great album cover, and I think this is that album. Smoking a cigarette, and there was a bit of controversy over the album cover, yeah. But yeah, I mean, again, this was an album that was really, they were from the uk but it was a regional album toronto probably from some help to cf and y i know we played a bit of it but of that album or they did when they were there because i wasn't there then um but just the 2012 horseshoe

tavern show i wish i was around in town i would have went to see that for sure ian blurton by the way is a future fotm he's agreed to come on. Oh, that's awesome. So he'll be on 2021. He'll be on the show. And Kastner, we talk about this a lot, but he married the hottie from Mad Men. Oh, did he? Yeah, Don Draper's second wife.

Oh, that's crazy. The French woman whose name is... Go ahead. What's her name? Oh, my God. Google that, Cam. What is she? Pari. Jessica Pari. Yeah. Jessica Pari. what's her name google that cam what is jessica parry yeah jessica fighters foo fighters show here in vancouver i think i told this story i sat down in my seat i got up for a second i looked behind me and there's john castner standing is he still rocking the dreads

no okay good to hear good to hear no we didn't have the dreads we all knew those guys who were those uh white dudes and dreadlocks in high school. I always wonder what they think when they look back. But yeah, it's quite. Neil, I've used this anecdote before, but I saw Jessica Paré at a teenage head tribute show where they had rotating vocalists, which interestingly were amongst the rotating vocalists were John Kastner and Ian Vlarder. Wow. Crazy. Yeah, which sort of makes sense. I mean, it's all sort of cut from the same cloth

as it were. I've never seen Mad Men, so I'm looking up her right now. I hope that's no disrespect. Oh, my friend, you've missed out on one of the finest programs of the last hundred years. She is Canadian as well. Oh, yes, I know she is. Yeah, she's fantastic.

Yeah. Check out Mad Men when you get a chance. It's wonderful. Or Hot Tub Time Machine. She's in that too. There's quite the Jessica scene in Hot Tub Time Machine. She's got range. Big ranges. Okay, so I am ready to kick out my second jam

and this might be a first for Pandemic Friday. And that this jam was shared with me privately by the artist and was never released in any form. So you're getting quite the exclusive. I'll play a bit of this and then I'll tell you about it. Here we go. Don't search her purse. Don't search her purse, don't search her purse Uh, yeah It was one of those nights, everything felt good

Had a long week at work, now I'm catching a buzz Ain't no reason to rush, so I'm taking my time My ears on the radio, I'm saying a buzz, ain't no reason to rush, so I bubble. Hold up, Mr. Officer. We don't need no trouble. Ain't nothing wrong with making it bong bubble. Hold up. You got to hold up. Hold up.

There's a few different cool parts to the jam, but I'm going to bring it down. This is Bong Bubble. And who is the artist behind this? Okay, do you guys remember a big CFNY hit from 2002 called Hey Mister? Yeah, I do. Hey Mister. Canadian artist?

Canadian artist, yes, it is a Canadian artist. So, now, I'll give you the real name, and then you'll try to come up with his handle, but the real name of this guy, his name is Dwayne LaVold, and Dwayne LaVold, I'll give you the real name, and then you'll try to come up with his handle. But the real name of this guy, his name is Dwayne LaVold. And Dwayne LaVold, I think he's from Calgary initially, I want to say. But Dwayne LaVold, he recorded under a different moniker, which I'll tell you in a moment. But he had a big hit with Hey Mister, which was on an album called Fast.

And those of us who liked Fast liked it a lot, and I do highly recommend it. But this guy, I'll tell you now, this guy recorded under the name Custom. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yes, I remember Custom. We've heard Custom before, right?

Like a Custom. I don't think I've kicked out any Custom. No? I don't think so. Wow. So Custom. That's a name. Yeah, 2002. And then he was on this

like artist direct label that kind of went south and then he got kind of screwed over and then me and him became friends because uh i wrote about hey mister on torontomic.com and then he he wrote an email and we became buddies so he's a transplanted canadian who lives in a loft in New York City. And basically, for years, he would send me songs he was producing, like unreleased songs. He would just email me files and say, what do you think of this? What do you think of that? I think I have about 30 unreleased custom songs,

and they're actually pretty damn good. And this is one that was recorded. He produced it, recorded under the... Oh, I always like this part here, actually. But anyway, he uh called this project cdlx and this was bong bubble and uh yeah this is uh like uh it lives in my inbox so to speak like this never saw the light of day so you can't get this anywhere no i don't believe so bong bubble by cdlx and the guy behind cdlx is custom from hey mister when was

hey mister you said there's like 92 no 2002 okay wow i don't recall that hey mister i really like your daughter daughter when i'm horny like thirsty she's my bottle of water like this kind of a deep growly sort of voice like an everlast type yeah like a bit of a 420 vibe to his voice like i can't do it or cough actually but yeah i should dig up real quick because i actually host the if you google hey mister it's my personal youtube account that hosts the video, which is interesting. He's paying you. So this was a money thing. That's why we're playing this.

No, no, he's not. I think he'd be mad if he knew I was playing this. This is like a payola scandal. So here, hold on. I'm going to play a bit to remind you of this song from 2002. For sure. I have told him. We'll give it 30 seconds here. be getting high it's not what you did it's not what you didn't god gave the perfect body now there you go one hit wonder custom.

That gentle strumming sounds kind of familiar. Maybe it did here. It was a big, big radio hit anyways. A big CFNY radio hit back in 2002. In fact, I saw him at Edgefest once. So let me... There's a story regarding custom that I have, and it's been buried in the back of my brain for so long, I can't quite find it. But I know there's a story regarding custom that I have, and it's been buried in the back of my brain for so long,

I can't quite find it. But I know there's a story there about that guy. Not a bad one. I mean, just hanging out with him or something like that. Vaguely, I remember. Maybe at Molson Park in Barrie or something, maybe. Yeah, sounds about right. You know, having a couple beers with him, probably.

He's a cool cat. I got to know him pretty well. He's a cool cat. What's he doing in New York? Producing? Or he's still working in music? You know? I've lost touch. So it's been... He's a male prostitute. Yeah, maybe.

But it definitely... The oldest profession. So Customs Bong Bubble and third jam for Cam Gordon. Any words, Mr. Gordon? No. Is it my jam already? Pass the salt.

Yeah, I'll just say this is the shortest jam that I have. Thank you. Okay. Okay. So this, I'm trying to connect our heart Hardcore episode with 420, and although technically not American, close enough, this is, of course, the mighty DOA out of Bill's neck of the woods in British Columbia, great Canadian punk rock band. The name of the song is Marijuana Mother is marijuana motherfucker it's from an album that

came in 1995 originally that album is called black spot and then there was actually a re-recorded version of the song that came out on album um in 2004 called live free or die um before i forget do you guys remember a venue in toronto called the fun house but house was spelled like h-a-u-s like kind of like the like german or like cool house was like the same way but this is all one word fun house it was a club yeah like a dance club wasn't it i i think primarily it was above a shopper's drug mart kind of very close to where like bovine sex club is near like that i was gonna say it would be at queen and bathurst exactly yes yeah exactly um very pretty short-lived but i had the good fortune the only

time i ever saw a doa was actually at that place i think it was a canadian music week thing um around this time i feel like was when i was writing for chart um but obviously a big thrill to get finally getting to see those guys version you know probably version 10 of doa um obviously led by the iconic joey shithead keithley uh who's now a city councillor out in burnaby again again, out in Neil's neck of the woods. Longtime advocate, even prior to the happening of the legalization of marijuana. Even though I feel like I'm not sure he partakes.

I feel like he's, I mean, Joey Keeley like ran for the Green Party, but it was definitely like part of his platform. I'm probably totally botching that. Maybe he has a big pothead. I don't think about it cam green party think about it okay yeah yeah i know you know like we've we i know we talked about joey shithead a bit on the hardcore episode but i'm gonna like on our on earth this question again like is he like still like a big deal in bc like he's just like a presence like living out there yeah yeah he's uh he's an urban legend in british columbia and in the the punk rock world um he is one of the biggest

names in punk rock and he has had the pleasure of meeting him once i i did an interview with him when i worked at cfox and the guy is the greatest guy i've ever talked to. He's just the nicest man. He's a meat and potatoes, hockey watching, beer drinking guy. I'm not sure about the marijuana, but just a really, really solid human being. And DOA has had quite the career. And now you mentioned he's into politics now. He's been trying to get into politics for a long time, either with the, I believe the NDP federally or provincially,

and now with the Green Party locally. Yeah, he ran provincially in BC in 1996, 2001, in 2017. I mean, I think more than his music as politics or just the fact like this is a legit hardcore punk lifer like i mean because the roots of doa go like back to like the mid 70s uh when they were known as the skulls and then kind of semi-famously came to toronto tried to make it as the skulls that didn't work came back to bc and just said fuck it and went on the road and i've kind of been there ever since until the pandemic so just one legend and for those that have never been to british columbia burnaby is the first suburb east of vancouver it's markham that's best way to describe it it It's Markham. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, DOA,

marijuana motherfucker, a great 420 jam and a little CanCon. Taboot. Brother Bill, any words before your third jam? You mentioned your friend Custom lives in New York City.

These guys apparently once owned a sanitation company based in Brooklyn. And 1996, they put out one of my favorite... You there, brother? Hold on. Sorry about that. I muted myself by accident.

I was gonna... I thought I lost you. I was like, oh, shit. Because obviously he's describing the Beastie Boys. I'm thinking, oh, we're going to get hold of it now. Hit it. Right. No, it's not the Beastie Boys.

It's the other Beastie Boys out of Brooklyn, New York. And I mentioned the garbage company they own. And 96, they put out their debut album. And this wasn't the big hit from it, but we're talking 420. So this song, I feel a pre-poll. Smoke em, smoke em, smoke em if you got em If you ain't got em, then you hit rock bottom Smoke em, smoke em, smoke em if you got em If you ain't got em, then you hit rock bottom

Smoke em, smoke em, smoke em if you got em If you ain't got em, then you hit rock bottom Smoke em if you got em, smoke em if you got em We'll be right back. I wish to end soon like my man Don Shula You my foley prover, even man and prover I love you like a rover, you my little lawnmower But lower, lower, see I'm the seat sewer You're the funk of weed grower and the mad rap floor See I'm the man's man, now do you understand What I'm giving ain't cocked in the palm of my hand So take a nap, take a nap

You could go all day with these guys So this album is probably, let's put it this way. If you partake in marijuana, if you're a regular smoker, if you're chronic, if you're a smoker of marijuana and you don't know the album, Come Find Yourself by Fun Loving Criminals, you're not really a marijuana smoker. You really aren't. These three guys out of New York, Fun Loving Criminals debut album in 1996. Of course, the big song from that album was scooby snacks scooby snacks which we did i kicked it out for the uh big shiny jams

episode and and rightly so scooby snacks the this this era of fun Loving Criminals is phenomenal. I mentioned three guys, Huey, Fast, and Steve from New York City. 1999, these guys were relatively unknown still in the United States and Canada. We played, I think, two singles by them, Scooby Snacks, and then from the album afterwards, a song called Korean Bodega was pretty big on the edge. Yeah, it didn't last very long. So they didn't do very well in America, but in the UK especially, friggin' massive. These guys ended up playing the Pyramid Stage, the big stage at Glastonbury in 1999.

Huey, the bass player, vocalist, had a radio show on the BBC for years, on BBC Radio. You can hear by their sound. They borrow from different musical genres, including hip-hop, blues, jazz, R&B, funk, and even a little punk rock too. But most of their sound is pretty mellow and kind of flowing like that. They drop a lot of names in their songs. Did I hear don shula

i was gonna say don fucking shula don shula that's huge that's a big one i'm defeated remember that phil esposito right john gaudi gets mentioned the king of new york they wrote a song about john gaudi i mean the guys you know they did things their own way. They owned a sanitation company. That's the rumor. That was the name of their, their label or whatever. One time we had them in for, I think they were in town for Canadian music week. And we had our studios.

We've got, if you guys remember this week, temporarily, we had some studios at Bay and Dundas. It was a trailer. Do you guys remember? Yes. Yeah.

I, I did. Cause you would have concerts like in that little parquet that's not there anymore. That was at Shooter Street, wasn't it? No, that was 228 Yonge Street at Shooter Street. That's where I saw Sloan. I saw Sloan

there. Phil Evans did all those. Yeah, I feel like Sloan opened that studio the first day. They they did but before we had those studios though cam we were in the park yeah and and we had fun loving criminals in and they were freaking baked i mean wow there's only two i'm gonna be honest with you there's two bands that i resonate with smoking tons of dope, marijuana. Fun-loving criminals and the tragically hip.

Really? No, you keep going. That's interesting because we never really, I just hear could have been the Willie Nelson, could have been the wine. First time I met the tragically hip was at Molson Park in Barrie for Canada Day. Jake Gold, the wonderful human being that he is, said, do you want to come in and meet the guys?

And I said, yeah, absolutely. And we walked into the dressing room, and I swear I'm not lying to you. You walked into the room, and the first, or from the ceiling down for three feet, smoke. All it was was smoke. And they were all in there? And they're all in there sitting around i mean okay a lot of people don't realize like open up if you can find a copy open up the the

cd copy of road apples by the tragically hip there's a picture of them all sitting on two couches look at their faces they're absolutely fried fried. Wow. This is interesting. Well, I mean, that lyric I just quoted, it could have been the Willie Nelson, could have been the wine. I always figured that was a marijuana reference, but I didn't realize how key that was to their... They were, yeah.

I hope I'm not speaking out of line here. I don't want to get anybody in trouble naming them myself. Do you really want to listen to to myself but what rock do you really want to like listen to a rock band that doesn't partake in some uh mary jane i feel like uh let me let me quickly finish my story so yeah sure but with the fun loving criminals they had come by our studios at bay and dundas they were great they were really high but they were great it was really fun it was a fun interview afterwards they went to much music and there was an artist playing there was a female singer and i don't remember what the

band was called or she was solo i i really don't remember who they were but apparently there was an incident so somewhere along the way they had run into this other band somewhere on tour somewhere and bad blood for some reason so fun loving criminals the guys could have probably you know been extras in goodfellas you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah it kind of had that kind of feel to them okay on that note quick because not to interrupt but really quick uh trivia. Name the director that owns a good chunk of Scooby Snacks. Well, Quentin Tarantino. Yeah, I know. Nice try.

Good question. Good question, Mike. I didn't say it was a tough question. Hold on. So they show up at Much Music with chains, and they want to fight these people. They're calling them out just before the interview starts, and maybe there's someone associated with much music from the 1990s that can confirm that what i'm talking about

is an urban legend so this you're saying it's like a female fronted band of that era shirley manson garbage oh yeah i'm trying to think well they weren't they weren't really well they weren't well-known r.E.P. Sorry. Was it Bjork? Because I feel like Bjork would be up for it. No, I'm thinking like... The Sugar Cubes. Remember the Leigh Aron?

Remember the woman who sang Bitch? Yeah, Meredith Brooks. I'm thinking like that kind of artist. Okay. They would have shared a stage of K-Rock, like that kind of artist. Okay. Anyway, there's so there was like, they would have shared a stage of like K rock,

like the weenie roasters. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Okay. So it's not Melissa. But no, but,

but honestly, if you do partake in the four 20, or you just want to listen to an album, that's really good. That isn't the typical, you know, grungy alt rock from the 90s, come find yourself from Fall Love and Cry. Here's a question for you, Neil, as the industry veteran.

Like that song sounded great. I remember hearing that. It's like, okay, yeah, I remember this song, Scooby Sax, even Cria Bodega, I remember that. Huge in the UK, real sort of interesting characters, good interviews. Why were these guys not why didn't they have a longer career in your opinion just as someone who's worked in this industry like what was it what made them miss in north america to have more like a extended stretch in the limelight because it seemed like all the ingredients were there

like they sound great it's sort of a bit something for everyone there yeah easiest answer for you cam is grunge they didn't sound like pearl jam but even still like in the late 90s like yeah i i that grunge wave you know went into the 2000s but there were room for people like ben harper for example who you know is has been hansen tonight actually uh i can announce that officially well it that's one of my answers. I guess my second answer would be they weren't very media savvy. So you had to be able to market yourself back in the 90s, too. I mean, you were you were an artist.

You had an album. It was it was an outstanding album. Like, say, 10 was you don't need to do anything. But if you have an album that maybe needs a little bit of help and push. Right. You want to do as much press as you can. do anything but if you have an album that's maybe needs a little bit of help and push right you want to do as much uh press as you can and you want to kind of sell yourself that's what i play the game i guess yeah it's a bit of a game you know there was a guy whose name is escaping me right now he

was from atlanta georgia he was on uh artemis records which was owned by Danny Goldberg, who's the guy who signed Nirvana when he was in, I think. Anyway, I'm a little cloudy. But this guy, I'm trying to remember his name. I'm sorry. I'm having a mind blank too. But the guy came into our studios like nine times, pushing the same song.

And just, we couldn't get any traction behind it we all loved the guy and we felt so bad but he never made it the song was circle circle dot dot I think no it's not it wasn't Stu Stone

from Atlanta a solo artist from Atlanta something something band sort of like the Matthew Good band he was ah A solo artist from Atlanta. Something Something Band. Sort of like the Matthew Good Band. He was... Something Something Band. Oh, wow. That's Steve Miller. I'm going to look it up

while we're doing our thing. Manford Man's Earth Band. There's another guy we could have kicked out. We could have kicked out Steve Miller. He's a toker. It was on my list. Anyway, you know who fun-loving criminals and I feel like had a similar career arc

where they had a few radio hits but didn't quite make it. Who else am I thinking of? The Orb. No, no. No, come on. Soul Coughing. You remember the band Soul Coughing? Let the man go through. Super Bon Bon. And who's the guy with the first jam Soul coughing. You remember the band Soul Coughing? Let the man go through. Yeah. Right.

And who's the guy with the first jam we might have ever kicked out on Pandemic Fridays? Outside of Full Mood? Primitive Radio Cops. Yeah. That's sort of like, they had that one song you heard and it's kind of cool. And then what happened? Totally. Yeah.

Like kind of the chill. So brothers. Kind of the same thing going on. Marshall Tucker Band. It's the Marshall Tucker Band. No, that's not right either. And it's not Sean Mullins. I'm just going through the list right now.

Oh, Sean Mullins had that song that they played at my food city all the time. Yeah. Rock-a-bye. Rock-a-bye. Everything is going to be all right. Rock-a-bye. I can't believe this. Okay.

Collective Soul. No, not Collective Soul either. Come on. Collective Soul. Am I right? Nowhere near as well known. Am I correct that Collective Soul was bigger in Toronto than any other place in the world? I feel like that could be true.

Is that true? I don't know. Sold a lot of records in Canada. That's for sure. Going on tour with Styx this summer, Collective Soul. Does anyone remember the Toronto band Grasshopper? Yes. Yes,

of course. Andrew Ward is chiming in. He's another lifer, that guy. I think there's a guy who now goes by Grasshopper. He's another white guy with dreads, from what I recall. Brampton Boy, I think. I think he's from Brampton. Yeah. Anyways thinks they're uh 420 friendly okay so while you guys are researching i'm just gonna kick out my third jam because it's kind of an important jam for 420 and

i did not want this song to be hansen so i kick it out for you right now Legalize it Don't criticize it Legalize it Yeah, yeah And I will advertise it Some call it tampi, tampi Some call it weed. Some call it marijuana. Some of them call it ganja. Never mind, got to legalize it.

And the doge criticizes. Peter Tosh. Legalize it. I was going to choose that, Mike, but I let it go. I don't know why, but I let it go. You could sense that maybe it would be picked up by a fellow. It would be in the air. Although it would be interesting when we look back at who did get Hanson. And on that note, did Hanson ever record a 420 jam?

Like, mmm, with like 20 M's. So legalize it, okay? This is Peter Tosh. This is the song, and it's also the album's name, Legalize It. And this is his first solo album after he leaves the Whalers. So 1976 is when this was released, way back in 1976. What were his other songs? Peter Tosh. Peter Tosh, by the way, for the kids out there who don't know,

has one of those horrific endings. He was murdered, wasn't he? Murdered, yeah. So at the age of 42, this is back in 1987, he returned to his home in Jamaica, and a three-man gang came into the house. They were on motorcycles, and they came, and they demanded

money from peter tosh and peter said he didn't have any money and the gang did not believe him and they like they started to torture him and they were demanding money and then like for hours and hours uh like as people would visit peter tosh at home, those visitors would be taken hostage by these gunmen. And basically, at some point, they opened fire. So, I mean, they shoot and kill Peter Tosh in this terrible

incident. And there's some people, like, names like, who do we have here? Well, that story, first of all first of all that story mike reminds me of a something i read about johnny cash once didn't that happen to him i'm not sure if it was in jamaica but didn't he have a home somewhere in the caribbean and one he had a bunch of friends over for dinner one night and all these guys stormed in and tried to rob them blind basically

and and fortunately john johnny cash this time yeah i'm all sure something similar happened i these guys stormed in and tried to rob them blind, basically. And fortunately... Johnny Cash? Yeah, I'm all sure something similar happened to Johnny Cash. I didn't know that about Johnny Cash. But obviously he wasn't killed. Obviously. So yeah, Peter Tosh was shot twice in the head. And that killed him, of course.

And then there's a herbalist named Doc Brown and a disc jockey named Jeff Free Dixon. They also died in this shooting. And just awful. Like, just awful. Tosh's drummer, Sarita Davis, and another musician named Michael Robinson. Like, just awful. Like that.

Yeah. So Peter Tosh legalized it. One of the whaleter tosh legalize it one of the whalers he's a founding member of the whalers yeah and this is how it ends for him at 42 years old the i remember the album cover because the album was called legalize it too and it's peter tosh standing in a field of like 12 foot marijuana crops and for you for, for a kid in a record store in Ontario, seeing that you're like, what's that guy doing? Remember Lauren,

Lauren, our friend, Lauren off the top, you know, everybody must get stone. Is it about weed? Is it not? Well,

you just described, no doubt. This is about legal. It's kind of the opposite end of the spectrum. There's no argument. No, Well, you just described, no doubt this is about weed. The album cover legalized it. Yes. It's kind of the opposite end of the spectrum. There's no argument. No, there's no argument.

No argument. By the way, guys, so I just get it out there, and my brain will be clear. The guy's name, who I was talking about earlier from Georgia, is Josh Joplin. The band was called Josh Joplin Group. And in 2006, or sorry, 2002, hang on, I've got to double check this.

Sorry, 1999 had an album called Useful Music and the song was called Camera One. I don't remember it. I'm sure a few. This was on CFNY? Never got rotation, but we had him on much, sorry, had him in the studio so many times

on Live in Toronto to try and push him and try and push. Maybe the music wasn't good enough. Maybe the song wasn't good enough. Hey, man, that's not a very nice thing to say. I haven't heard it. My friend? I haven't heard it yet.

When we're done, give it a listen. I think you'll. Oh, is he your friend? I didn't even oh no i was like no feeling bad for a moment by the way you mentioned the band kitty yeah that's a band i haven't thought of for like 20 years they were a big they were out of like london ontario or something right two of the girls were brampton two of the girls were from london yeah artemis records which was that label started by Danny Goldberg, who signed Nirvana.

They never really stuck around either. They seemed like they were being positioned like, oh, these 18-year-old girls, but they're heavier than Slayer. They were like 15, I think, man, not 18. They were young. Avril Lavigne styles.

Do you remember that band? I think I do, but I couldn't They were young. It's Avril Lavigne styles there. Do you remember that band? I had a big following. I think I do, but I couldn't, like, I couldn't sing a note. I can't remember any of them. You gotta say shitty,

shitty band name. They have this song called brackish. Brackish. When we do death metal songs played on the radio, we'll play Kitty. We should do that. Before I forget. So we're going to kick out our final round of jams and we're going to start with Cam here.

I just want to say thank you again to Great Lakes. I'm enjoying my burst IPA. It's delicious. Mike Majeski, again, that's Mimico Mike to you FOTMs. He's ripping up the Mimico real estate scene. His motto is in the know in Mimico and he certainly is. You can check out more at realestatelove.ca

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Neil because you're too far for me to bike to but I did deliver stickers to a Neil this week. And if anybody else wants me to bike them Toronto Mike stickers from sticker you, just send me an email, Mike at Toronto Mike dot com or DM me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike. And again, much love to Brad Jones and the gang at Ridley Funeral Home. Pay tribute without paying a fortune. You can learn more at RidleyFuneralHome.com.

Cam, remind me, what's the WKRP Funeral Home jingle that they were working on? Do you remember? Oh, God. That's a blindside. Do you remember, brother? I've never seen an episode.

I got it. Red Wiggler, brother? I've never seen an episode in my life. I got it. Red Wiggler, the Cadillac of worms. That's not the funeral home one, right? That's the, is it Jefferson? Oh, sorry. No. Ferryman? Is it Ferryman?

It's Ferryman. That's from Canada Kev. Okay, I'm from Canada Kev. Okay, thank goodness. Canada Kev, like. He's on it. Fuck, he should be hosting this show. Canada Kev is one of those FOTMs who

had COVID-19. Because when I was describing and Cam, you were also I think had the same experience, my reaction to the vaccine. He said that his COVID experience was like three weeks of that. I can't imagine three weeks of that.

And yet he's smarter coming out the other side. Like, he's dropping Ferryman and talking about Grasshopper. Yeah, and shout out to Canada Kev's buddy, Andrew Ward, who... His FOTMs, they know their shit. Yeah, well, that's the whole idea.

Has the Irish guy from Quebec disappeared? I had a chat with Quebec Irish boy this week. I think the time slot's a bit rough for a lot of FOTMs, this whole five o'clock start. But no with Quebec Irish boy this week I think the time slot's a bit rough for a lot of FOTMs this whole five o'clock start but no Quebec Irish boy uh doesn't miss a fucking episode like him and his buddy uh I want to say David Drolet I hope I said that right those guys and I don't know how they found this Toronto thing they're at Quebec City they're a couple guys from Quebec City but they have fallen in love with the real talk here. So yeah, I will say this, the comment section on the live stream, shout out to like everyone

who tunes in every week, because I really do. I think it adds like a really fun layer to read the comments in real time and also fact check us because we were botching facts left and right, too. So they keep us honest. So thank you, everyone, for tuning in. Anything to say before your final jam mr gordon yes actually um you know we talk about songs that are they or are they not about drugs um i i almost chose a van morrison song and it stoned me uh which i don't think is really about drugs and

and you know we talked about a little bob dylan off the top you talk about you know tragically it could have been the willie nelson are these songs about drugs perhaps we'll never know this final jam that i'm about to kick off might be the ultimate example is this about drugs or is it not and i think we'll never know even though these members are still alive amazingly i thought they'd all be dead but they're not um yeah final jam right here pop the magic dragon lived by the sea And frogged in the autumn mist In a land called Hunnaly Little Jackie Paper Loved that rascal Puff

And brought him strings and ceiling wax And other fancy stuff Oh, Puff the Magic Dragon lived by the sea and frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Hunnally. Puff the Magic Dragon. Okay. Peter, Paul, and fucking Mary. puff the magic dragon wow um and cam wins wow i'm dropping the mic right now this is over it's over it's over you know what

part of that this is a big fucking hit you know number two in the u.s number four in Canada, way back in 1963. Wow. Now, this song again, Puff, you know, Puff, Puff of Smoke. A lot of whispers and things less than whispers over the years that this is about marijuana. A lot of this seems to start with an article that ran at Newsweek magazine in 1964 about all the references to the ganja in Puff the Magic Dragon. Here's a few examples from that article. The word paper was the name of Puff's human friend,

Jackie Paper. Obviously, rolling papers, you got your zigzags or whatever. The words by the sea were interpreted by the sea. What does cannabis start with? Sea, wow. The word mist stood for smoke. by the sea. What does cannabis start with? Sea. Wow. The word mist

stood for smoke, the land of Hanalei, Hashish. Wow. And dragon was interpreted as dragon, you know, take a drag off

your blunt there. And puff, I think, needs no explanation. PPNM routinely disavowed. this is a children's song this is a there's nothing to do with marijuana um this song was actually written by uh peter peter yarrow of peter paul and mary um and then you know they did they really spent the rest of their career saying this was not about marijuana now we're gonna go to a bit of a side about the writer of this on peter yarrow this is gonna take a dark turn oh uh 1970 peter yarrow

was convicted and served three months in prison for taking improperly liberties with a 14 year old girl now what happened is this young girl with her sister, who was 17, somehow went to, like, Yaro's hotel room seeking an autograph. He answered the door naked and made sexual advances that stopped short of intercourse. Oh, boy. Now, he sort of fessed up. He owned it. He said it was an era of real indiscretion and mistakes by categorically male performance. I was one of them.

I got nailed. I was wrong. I'm sorry for it. I got nailed. I was wrong. I'm sorry for it. This is really kind of fucked up. He was eventually pardoned in 1981 by Jimmy Carter. Wow. Which seems very Jimmy Carter-ish. Right.

The peanut butter. He was a fan of the song, maybe. I don't know. Jimmy was the rock and roll president. That would be his scene, I think, the Peter Palmer. Yeah, I think so. Because they did Leave It on a Jet Plane and they did a bunch of that stuff,

right? Yeah, like a lot of sort of covers. Speaking of Dylan, I know they did a whole bunch of Dylan covers. Yeah, they did Don't Think Twice, It's Alright, and all sorts of... A few fun facts about Puff puff the magic dragon

um elon musk you know founder of spacex and tesla and whatnot says his dragon spacecraft was named after puff the magic dragon do you guys know okay orlando magic you know shaquille o'neal of course you know who their mascot is? Penny. Who's their mascot? I don't know. Who is their mascot? It is a dragon, I presume. Stuff the Magic Dragon.

Wow. Stuff the Magic Dragon. Now, Stuff the Magic Dragon, his tagline is the tallest dragon in Orlando's history. He was introduced out of a giant egg. And Orlando kind of cracked out the egg. You know, that's when the team started. Right.

And he was actually portrayed in that first season, or at least coming out of the egg, by Dave Raymond, who was actually the gentleman who played the original Philly fanatic. Oh. Oh, wow. We talked about, like, great, you know, mascots back in the day. And then, yeah, Peter and Paul are still with us. They both turned 83 this year Mary sadly

died in 2009 are they still denying it to this day I feel like Peter's going to take it to his grave that this is not about drugs no one's buying that at all let's be honest magic dragon

Canada Kev says a six year old could tell you that peter paul and mary jane he says it's very clear david there you go there's another one you know there was do you guys remember the at the children's show h and r puffing stuff back in the day a hundred percent i was just thinking that because that was brought up too in the live.torontomike.com. All of those like marijuana said, sorry, what do you say? Said but not said kind of thing.

And wasn't the McDonaldland characters, aren't they kind of like a parody or rip-off of the H&R Puff? I feel like we're sort of veering into subliminal penis territory. Accidental penis. Accidental penis. Accidental AP. I feel like we're sort of veering into subliminal penis territory. Like when we start talking about like kids shows and cartoons. Accidental penis.

Accidental AP. Mini mind blow here. So, I mean, this song as well has been covered a lot over the years. And there's even been a few parody versions. So I'm going to send this one out to Stu Stone, who can't be here with us this week. I don't know if growing up before his bar mitzvah

or maybe right after his bris maybe this was the soundtrack to it but this was actually a moderate hit in the main or in the mid 70s by a band called Rausch. Wow. Let's hear a few bits of this Puff the kosher dragon

Lives in Eretz Israel He davens at the western wall And he shuckles with his tail. All the Jewish children love that kosher puff. And the way he teaches Yiddish kite, they never get enough. Now puff and his mishpapa. Yeah, so Puff the Kosher Dragon. Right.

So this, yeah, I mean, was sort of kind of a parody, but not really. I mean, it was sort of... Yeah, but you're joking when you suggest it was a hit. That's a joke. That's a Cam Gordon joke, right? No, maybe I botched that detail, but it was certainly known. And it sort of reminded me, I don't know if you guys remember this, Two Live Jews

I do remember this I can see the cover in my head kosher as they want to be yeah, so I mean, you know the lineage klezmer music of course, very popular sure, yeah, absolutely shout out to Ralph Ben-Murgy, not that kind of

rabbi, yeah, anyway I would argue, Puff the Magic Dragon if you've gone to my head yes it's about marijuana puff the kosher dragon i think it's just being a good jewish person do you guys remember peter's dragon yes yeah for sure that was like a dragon's den remember dragon's den well that's pretty recent yeah but peter's dragon cam i uh as a kid that was a kind of a popular, I don't know. Was that like a mixed animation, like half animation, half playback?

Yeah, I think exactly. I think it was exactly that, yes. That used to blow my mind when I see that as a kid. Oh, like in... How is this possible? Zippity-doo-dah. What was that called? Songs of the South?

Hasn't aged well. In fact, you will not find Songs of the south on your disney uh app there you're rare rare rabbit but also uh is it chitty chitty bang bang i'm trying to think yes yeah is that one like that yeah i'm trying to think that guy's still alive actually um he must be you know pushing pushing a hundred guys sound like a couple of really stoned guys right now sitting around. Actually, can I say one thing about Dick Van Dyke?

What are you going to say about Dick Van Dyke? Have you guys ever had a moment where and maybe this is because I work for Twitter where you think, okay, I just thought of something that's really funny or original. I'm just going to make sure no one's thought of this before. i did this once this was like years ago i think i was still like in at mcmaster but i thought of like an alias penis von lesbian okay just to stay with me here

right and i thought oh i thought of this this is really funny i'm 20 years old this is edgy i may use this as like a cause mischief in chat rooms i just did like a quick it was what probably wasn't a yahoo search a google search altavista penis yeah hey jeeves or whatever um penis von lesbian thousands of people thought of this before uh i was crushed i was so disappointed but uh yeah dick vick like still with us i thought you took the i thought you took the safe search off and Googled that and oh my god what popped up.

Yeah, well, there's probably a bit of that too. Dick Van Dyke's probably 90. I'd say he's older than that. I think he's older than that. I'd say closer to 100. How hard would it be to Google it? But we refuse. Somebody has to Google it and put it into the chat.

Yeah, Andrew Ward. Google penis fun lives. I mean Dick Van Dyke. Oh, shout out to Double D, who has joined live.torontomike.com. Nice to see you, Double D. Where the hell is Quebec Irish boy? Let us know. We want to know where Quebec Irish boy is.

We're missing that dude. Okay. Brother Bill, what would you like to say? Dick Van Dyke is 95. See? There, that sounds about right just like the queen the queen just turned 95 95

wow they should hook up you know what she is single now yeah that would be quite that would be a power couple that would be wild

can you imagine Dick Van Dyke and Liz that's fucking crazy the tabloids would be all over that holy moly okay

brother Bill what say you about your final uh 420 jam um so you know last week i got shot down on my idea of australia but you did let me do the pick the pick the segment on american hardcore so the natural follow-up for me would have been european hardcore right but that's been that Right. But that's on the shelf for now, which is fine. But I somehow managed to find a European hardcore song that mentions what we are talking about in a roundabout way. And so this is the legendary GBH. Ooh. Ooh. Dr. Swimming on that train

A couple of hours and we'll be home again A big man with a destined blue suit Take your life, we want you We had a joyous party in Boston State All righty. I know, a little noisy, but any chance, as you know, my musical taste, any chance I get to play some hardcore punk rock,

I'm going to throw it in there. So that was a song called Drugs Party in 526 from Birmingham, England's GBH. It's a song, according to the singer Colin, that was written after their vehicle had broken down on tour in the early, really early 1980s in Iowa or somewhere. They were driving from like Chicago to Los Angeles for a show or something and had it broken down. And someone in Chicago had given them a bunch of marijuana, et cetera, et cetera.

And they ended up having a big drugs party in this little motel room in the middle of Iowa or North Dakota or something like that. And that's where they took the lyrics for the song Drugs Party in 526. Because presumably I'm probably the only one listening right now who has any clue who GBH are. And if you don't, if you do know who they are, good on you. I bet you Cam knows. Do you know who they are, Cam? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Like they were with like the exploited and like kind of the gnarly part of. The biggest European hardcore bands of all time, arguably, but I think most people would agree, are the Exploited, Discharge and GBH. And they formed in 1978 in Birmingham, England. And they formed in 1978 in Birmingham, England. Birmingham, England, known for being quite an industrial city, very similar to what Hamilton was in the 1970s, shall we say. But that said, musically, some absolutely huge bands came out of Birmingham, England.

I invite the both of you to name a band or two from Birmingham, England. Black Sabbath. Correct. Wow. I can't even. Same genre. Iron Maiden. No. Judas Priest. Yes, Judas Priest are from

Birmingham. Now, Brother Bill, when I listen to that, that punk and it's noisy and loud, the last thing I think of is 420. Because weed music, pot music, it's not as aggressive. It's chill out. It's a whole different vibe, right? Right. And the reason why I picked that as well, other than the fact that it's hardcore, was because I just wanted,

I thought we'd mix it up a little bit. I just wanted to add a little bit more. No, no, no, not judging the choice. Just that I can't put that sound together with Mary Jane. Well, they weren't a drug band by any means. They weren't like a band that sung about getting stoned and smoking marijuana

That's the closest You're going to get With them Who are the other Birmingham Sorry I haven't fixed it on Birmingham now There's Depeche Mode from there No they're from just outside of London A place called Essex

No the biggest Arguably the biggest heavy metal band Out of the UK of all time are from Birmingham. As far as I know. And it not, but not Black Sabbath. Oh, it's Jethro Tull, of course. Jethro Tull. Yeah, they did win. They won the first one.

The first ever. You're going to hit yourself. Jeff Leppard. Jeff Leppard. No, Sheffield. You're going to hit yourself. You're going to go back. Go back to the late 60s, early 70s. Led Zeppelin.

Led Zeppelin. Yeah, as far as I know, they're from Birmingham as well. That's a big one. A band not in that genre, but the English beat were from Birmingham as well. Brother Bill Nott? Sorry. And then I could say

Wonderstuff. Wonderstuff Pop Elite Itself Remember them? All from up that way So that album though That I played that from Was from the band's second studio album Called City Baby's Revenge Their first album was released in

I want to say 1981 Called City Baby's Revenge. Their first album was released in 19, I want to say 81, called City Baby Attacked by Rats. Duff McKagan of Guns N' Roses says City Baby's Revenge, one of the top five albums of his of all time. I got to tell you a quick story, if I can, guys. I won't go too long on this.

So I saw GBh a few times i saw him at the diamond once um that was the biggest venue they played in toronto but mainly they would come into town on that tour and play larry's hideaway which was a a club that existed on carlton street between sherburne and jarvis there's a park there on the south side um you could probably still see the outline or at one time you could i think the gary's used to uh gary's used to book for the gary's would do a lot of the shows so gbh came in and i i had met this kid from my he was from cleveland originally and his his stepsister lived up the road and these people, his family had moved in with their family. Uh, cause I guess the, you know, the parents got together, whatever. And she asked me if I would take this kid.

He was about 15 years old to a punk rock concert. And I thought, sure, I'll take him to a punk rock concert. I was about 17 at the time. And we get down to Larry's hideaway and I've got fake ID, which back in those days was like a birth certificate I found on the road saying I was 21. So that's how tough it was to get in there, but they wouldn't let the kid in because he looked really young. So I went in and this is a GBH is playing at Larry's Hideaway this night.

And I went in and actually the two guitar player and bass player of the band Jock and Wilf are standing there. Not the band, Jock and Wilf, are standing. They're not Wilf. Jock and Ross are standing there. And I go talk to Jock. He's this big, menacing-looking punk rock dude. And I ask him if he can help me get my friend into the show. Wow.

And he said, yeah, sure. So we walk outside. Because you'd have to walk upstairs. Because Larry's headspace was in the basement. You walk upstairs because larry's headspace was in the basement you walk upstairs and my friend's face this kid's face when i walked out with the guitar player from gbh was just like he just like dropped he was gonna pass out i mean that's why that's why and jock said come with me and walked us both in past the doorman and got my friend into the show oh my god that's amazing.

That was like a, like there was a hotel in Larry's hideaway, like kind of a flop house. There was upstairs type deal. There was some notorious stories happening in those, in those rooms. Yeah. Besides Alan gardens. Right,

right, right by it. Exactly. That's exactly where it was camp. So if you want, if you're interested, I, because when I was doing the research on this band,

and I'll stop in a sec here, MTV recorded and played one of GBH's LA shows. It was called Punks and Posers in 1985. It's the first time ever that a hardcore band had a full concert broadcast on MTV. It was in 1985, and I believe it's the last. There must have just been like a fan, like a fan of the band somehow push somebody in mtv somebody this is a dumb dumb question like these shows that you know you were was there moshing at these shows in the mid 80s

is that a dumb like i assume there probably was but like her slam dancing or what was the crowd doing while GBH was sort of losing it on stage? Yeah, there was there was a really intense mosh pit. As a matter of fact, Cam, what I'll do is I'll send you video footage that the new music took, not of GBH, but when Discharge came to Larry. So when they played Larry's Hideaway in 1982, what's his name? Wonderful human being was a host on the new music at the time Mordecai Richler's son oh Daniel Richler Daniel Richler and the cameras came to to shoot Discharge at uh at Larry's I'll send you the video you can watch what the crowds were like or you can watch that GBH show from LA because in the 90s yeah there was a lot of slam dancing going on and stuff but man compared to

the violent nature of the slam dancing in the 80s it doesn't compare. It's like the Roman Coliseum I think Larry's Hideaway was also the first Toronto appearance of a very young R.E.M. played there I believe because I remember I had a bootleg like R.E.M. live at

Larry's Hideaway. Which was recorded for CFNY. Yeah, that's absolutely right. Okay, guys, I can't let this piece of trivia go by without mentioning it here. Okay, so this is kind of key if you've been following the penis van lesbian saga.

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Let's tie it all together. What former hardcore band famously did a cover of the Mary Tyler Moore theme song? Husker Du. Husker Du. Also played Larry Sideway, I believe, back in the day. Wow. This is why I love Penn State. Follow the money. Wow. Follow the

fucking money. Cam, you've already won this. It doesn't matter anymore. You know what, though? Yeah, we gave it... You got it with Puff the Magic Dragon. What's the point? But I do have one jam left. And remember, I pick my jam. We all picked our jams before Stu. He's always very late-breaking. Last minute, he sends in his jam so

if you know just saying that it'll make more sense in a minute but I was thinking of all the acts I got Hanson like where's the although I did play a bit in the intro of Snoop Dogg like where's the Snoop Dogg where's the Willie Nelson where's the Method Man how high

where's the Bob Marley you know like I feel like we did Hanson. And where's Hanson? I know they have some good 420 jams somewhere here. And as always, no songs from the last 20 years. I almost had Danny Brown drinking and smoking. I don't

even think I know who Danny Brown is. Did he write Angels and what did he write? Some kind of book, right? He's a friend he write? Some kind of book, right? Yeah. He's, he's a friend of custom. Some kind of book.

Didn't he write that Tom Hanks movie? Oh, Tom Brown or? Isn't that Dan Brown or am I getting it? Dan Brown. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

This is like stoner talk. Like, like the last half an hour. All right, let's wrap this up. So here's my. No one's got penis van lesbian. Come on. Penis van lesbian. You guys are the last half an hour. All right, let's wrap this up. No one's got penis van lesbian. Penis van lesbian.

Here's my final jam. I'm going to go. She could come back and get me high Look who's back on the program Hooking up another fly joint When I blow on the slow jam When I shift I kick the gas Like a fat drum Then I light up a fat slip Take a whiff Can you smell that in the air

When I'm smoking out the building From everywhere Shit I still get jammed Don't you sit down When my thoughts start growling Time to skip down Where did I go wrong I got to hit my ball

They don't know that I've been getting high all along I got a friend named Mary Jane So it's the second Gordon to appear on this episode of Pandemic Friday. Right. Kim Gordon. Gordon to appear on this episode of Pandemic Friday. My cousin. Cousin Kim. Right. Kim Gordon. By the way, I just want to say that when we did the killer jams, and I guess we did do killer jams for Faking a Murderer, if memory serves me correctly. Faking a Murderer, by the way, discussed at great length with guest David Kynes this week on Toronto Mike.

So check that out. But in the 30th Pandemic Friday, when we did Killer Jams, I kicked out Another Body Murdered by Faith No More and Booyah Tribe. And of course, yes. Speaking of Lorne Honickman and Judgment Day with Lorne Honickman, Judgment Night, that was a movie in 1993. I don't actually remember the movie at all,

but I loved passionately the Judgment Night soundtrack because it took rock bands and it mashed them up. I feel like the plot was it was like four guys went to a Pistons game and they were just going back

to their car and got embroiled in a gang. And Emilio Estevez is one of these guys, right? Yeah. And I, was Ice-T in the movie?

I don't think so, but I don't remember. Oh no, you know who was in it? Cuba Gooding Jr. was in it. Right, right, right. Because you're thinking

of Ice Cube because he was in the movie with Cuba Gooding Jr. The good one. Daddy Daycare? Yeah, Daddy fucking Daycare. Jeremy Piven was in Judgment Night.

Jeremy Piven. Here's the story. New father Frank, played by Emilio Estevez, departs for a night out, joining friends Mike, Cuba Gooding Jr. and Ray, Jeremy Piven as they head to a boxing match. At the last minute,

they're joined by John, Stephen Dorff, Frank's brother. Stuck in gridlock traffic, the guys take a shortcut that gets them lost in a very dangerous neighborhood. As you would say in Toronto, Rexdale. They witness a murder by a gang leader

called Fallon, Dennis Leary. They flee, but Fallon now wants them hunted down and eliminated. Wow. See when that happens. I'm an asshole. Okay, so Sonic Youth and Cypress Hill perform that song, I Love You Mary Jane.

It's on the Judgment Night soundtrack. That voice you heard from Sonic Youth, of course, that's Kim Gordon, second cousin of Cam Gordon voice you heard from Sonic Youth, of course, that's Kim Gordon, second cousin of Cam Gordon, I believe. And then, of course, Be Real from Cypress Hill. Boys in the Hood, by the way, is the fucking movie with Ice Cube and Cube of Engineering.

You know a movie I'm thinking of with Ice-T? Surviving the Game. Oh, not... Not New Jack City. Surviving the Game. he's a homeless guy and okay i want to say the guy who played uh charles dudden who played rock oh sure of course like he's like hey man we're gonna we're gonna come come off the street for fuck's sake rudy yeah so they like they say i see we're gonna help you you're homeless come we'll give you food and

stuff and then they actually like threw him in the back of a truck and took him to a game reserve. And rich guys paid to hunt him down. He's running through the woods and stuff. That's appropriate. Yeah, it was pretty good from what I recall. Fucking Rudy is a great movie. I just was thinking.

Here's how we... Right, that's the second wave. Oh, but it's a cover of the first wave. Yes. I learned so much. I learned so much. Okay. So this is how it all ties together.

The first jam we kicked out was Stu Stones' Hits from the Bong by Cypress Hill. The final jam we kicked out was Sonic Youth and Cypress Hill, I Love You Mary Jane, which includes a sample. It contains a sample of Hits the bong in that jam. Mike, I... Yes? Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were going to play something. Nah, I'm out. I'm going to play the old closing theme,

but first I'd rather hear your dulcet tones. I was just going to say, is there a word? Do we use a word on Toronto mic yet called piggybacking? Because I'm not being critical because I don't want to I'm not being critical because I'm just a guest and I really appreciate once again you guys having me on let me fill in for Stu it's uh it's big shoes but I pleasure is all ours buddy pleasure is all ours well I was just gonna say a couple of times now I've sort of noticed you kind of playing like the same artist and I call that piggybacking because like stew started with

cypress hill right he submitted it a couple hours ago okay and then really you know like the last song i'm hearing albeit it wasn't cypress hill or was it cypress it was half cypress hill right sonic youth in cypress hill so that's kind of piggybacking wouldn't you cam well what's your i i knowing stew's track record of sending everything at the exact last minute i'll give mike uh i literally on this i came up by the way i will point out i also had dylan before i even uh called up lauren because i know lauren's the biggest dylan fan i know lauren honickman and i i had d Dylan as my jam. And then I said, hey, Lauren,

you would be an awesome guest on this Pandemic Friday. And he was all into it. But I had my four jams locked and loaded, like, I don't know, 20 minutes after we chose the topic. I will say, having listened to many, many, many episodes of the Toronto Mic'd podcast over the years, I know Mike's deep love for the judgment night soundtrack. And I knew he would choose that,

that Cypressville slash Sonic youth song. So you got to give it to him. It's also, it's always Stu's fault. Circle, circle, circle, circle,

dot, dot brother, Bill, I cannot wait to get you back on pandemic Fridays. You're so fucking awesome. And you know, your shit. And I just love it when you're on the show.

Thanks for introducing me to Lorne Honigman. That really was a special moment. And it's always great seeing and hanging out with you guys. Should we make that a regular thing? We're on Pandemic Fridays. Somebody shows up to kick out one of the jams. Like just pops into the Zoom and does it. Yeah, for sure.

I thought it was going to be Ben Rayner because he's always holding. Always holding. He's always holding. Absolutely. it could have been kareem uh zooming in could have been the willie nelson could have been the wine but cam you're always fucking great brother bill this is fun loved having you on the 420 jams it's funny how we we three kicked out 420 jams and none of us are actually partaking no but that's okay and what do I always say to conclude these episodes I can't remember

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