Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Andy Wilson: Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 1645

Episode Date: March 7, 2025

In this 1645th episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike chats with Zoomer Radio morning show host Andy Wilson about his 20+ years in Toronto radio working with Humble and Fred, Colleen Rusholme, Mad Dog and Maura, Tucker and now Jane Brown. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Ridley Funeral Home, and RecycleMyElectronics.ca. If you would like to support the show, we do have partner opportunities available. Please email Toronto Mike at [e-mail]

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sponsored by Fusion Corp Construction Management Inc. and Redlee Funeral Home, pillars of the community since 1921. Joining me today, making his highly anticipated Toronto Mike debut is Andy Wilson. Welcome Andy. I think I've been anticipating this a lot longer than you have Mike, but happy to be here. Thank you for having me.

You know what I feel like it took a long time because you left the city and went, how long were you in Montreal? I left the province. Yeah. I was there for, for two years, uh, from January of 2019 and we moved back in, uh, May of 2020. So just not quite, uh, two years, but COVID, COVID kind of brought us back to Ontario. So one of the, one of the good things about COVID because we brought us, brought us Andy back to where he belongs. Yeah, sure. If you want to go that way, Nick, we go back. I feel like you and I go back quite a bit because my first podcasting anything was helping humble and Fred podcast way back in 2006. And your, like your origin story begins with humble and Fred, right?

In 2001, I was an intern with them on Mojo radio AM 640 with, um, I can't even remember what the lineup was. You want me to help you? I could do this. Oh, you know, I don't know off my heart, but I do remember. And I think came after them. Ripken was definitely part of the lineup. He's an FOTM. I'll let you know who's an FOTM. Mike Stafford was in that. He just did a, an episode. He was here like two weekends ago. Uh, it's always great when Stafford drops by people should check out the Stafford episodes of Toronto Mike. Uh, who else was, let me think, uh, John Oakley. Oakley. No Oakley, replaced. They left on their own, but yeah, Oakley replaced Humble and Fred. Daringer. Daringer did like an hour after Humble and Fred.

They went till nine. Was Mae Potts opening lineup? No. I'm going to say she was, okay? Because Mae's been here. Opening lineup. Opening lineup. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe. Because she said it was like the worst decision she made was like leaving CFNY for Mojo. And then that was like shortly thereafter, she was out of this long time gig. And anyways, so she's not the only person that said that. Okay. So I was, I mean, to me, you're still a young man. Like I think of Andy Wilson still, I don't know as a, should I say a kid? Like, but you have over 20 years Toronto radio with a little Montreal in the mix, but you have over 20 years experience now on our airwaves.

Well, 2001. Yeah. So 24 years minus, you know, a couple of years in Montreal. So yeah, 20, 22 years, which yeah, it's wild for me to think about, but you know, I was thinking of this coming over cause you've had so many, so many big names, certainly from, from Toronto radio, uh, on your podcast, but you know, I'm the fortunate one because I've worked with so many of, of those big names, whether directly or indirectly, you know, yeah. Yeah. And that's kind of, maybe that's why I've been able to stick around for so long is I've

been lucky enough to work with so many amazing people. And I mean, we'll get into this, but things have really come together for you recently. You're now, you know, the co-host of the Morning Zoom. You're with the great Jane Brown. Another legend, yeah. Like you're on Zoomer radio today, co-hosting a morning show. Yeah. I mean, Humble and Fred must be so jealous of this.

Like you're on real rate, real radio. What do we call it? Terrestrial radio. What do you call it? Local radio. I think local radio is a good way of putting it, actually. You're on local radio live every morning. Are you at the Zoomerplex when you do that?

In the, in Liberty Village. Yeah. One and only Zoomerplex. You know, that was the YTV studios. That's right. Yeah. We've had some people that used to work in YTV. We've had them on the show for various reasons

I'm PJ fresh Phil. No, we haven't had we haven't had and not Tarzan Dan either and not Nicholas Pickles My three favorite YTV person still on the air in Buffalo. Yeah, he's I loved you know I thought I watched him and video and arcade top 10 with Liza Fromer. Yes. I loved that show singing my song You're in the right, Andy. Come on. You're in the right place. How come it took you so long? What's going on here? Well, it's your podcast.

So, but not only are you co-hosting The Morning Zoom with Jane Brown, but you're the program director of Zoomer Radio? Yeah, it's, I've been very fortunate. I've been very fortunate there. You want to pinch yourself? What's going on? I do every day.

They've, I've been very, like I said, I'm not, you know, I'm not exaggerating when I say how fortunate I've been. And they've they've treated me really, really well there. They really have. But yeah, it's been it's it was, you know, busy six months. I got the morning gig in September of twenty twenty four and then the program director job the beginning of January of twenty twenty five. And I got to ask you this question. I think I asked it to you at Kelsey's

where you saw each other in, I think that was December. Yeah, yeah. And you were at a Humble and Fred recording. But Zoomer, do we have a definition of what is a Zoomer? Is that like, is that range moving? I'm just curious how you qualify as a Zoomer when I think I've got a good, maybe a decade on you. Are you, what's a Zoomer?

I'm 50. You're a Zoomer. If you're 45 and up, you're a Zoomer. So I'm not technically a Zoomer. I'm a little bit below. Does Moses know you're not a Zoomer? Do I need to call Moses? I hope he does.

Otherwise, I'm not gonna do this podcast ever again. But I kind of feel like I kind of live the Zoomer lifestyle because I've kind of, it's weird, Mike. I've always kind of feel like I'm I kind of lived the zoomer lifestyle because you know, I've kind of it's weird Mike I've always kind of surrounded myself with with Sound weird but older people right like people that are a little bit more senior than me certainly in radio, right? I started as a kid and I worked with you know Humble and Fred who were 20 years my senior and you know I play baseball and golf with a bunch of guys that are 10 years or 15 years older than me.

But are you at home listening to Tony Bennett and Frank Sinatra? I don't know if I'd go that far, but I'm definitely listening to, you know, Led Zeppelin and Queen and Aerosmith and a lot of, you know, bands that started really breaking out in the 70s, late 60s, 70s, 80s. That's, you know, I think Zoomers is perfect for, for my, you know, choice of music. So Gen X is now Zoomer. Yeah. Yes, absolutely. Jane Brown would be, she would call herself a Gen Xer. She would say she's right on that line between a Gen Xer and whatever the- Boomer. The Boomer. Yeah. She's right on that line too. She's what 15, 15-ish, 17 years older than me. She's right there too. Okay, would Jane Brown appear on Toronto Mic? Would she become a FOTM like yourself?

You know what? She lives in Etobicoke. She doesn't live that far. I think she would absolutely. I'm gonna hunt, I'm gonna get Jane Brown on Toronto Mic. That's a goal for mine. So congrats to you on this recent success. Every time I read broadcast dialogue, shout out to Connie Thiessen, every time I check it out, there's another announcement. Andy Wilson promoted to this. Andy Wilson, new morning show host. Like you're having a hell of a run. They broadcast dialogue.

They used the worst picture of me when they announced me as the, uh, the program director. I thought it was the best picture. Oh, it was a closeup of my face. I had, I didn't expect the picture to be taken that day. So I hadn't shaved and I, and then I had, they put me in a pose where I had a double chin going on. They couldn't have used a more unflattering picture. It's like, Oh, there I am. I've got a new gig. I'm the worst looking man in radio.

The only person I think I see more, you know, announcements about promotions and new things happening, uh, with them on the broadcast dialogue newsletter is Bob Willett. I feel like every other week when I open it up, there's another picture of Bob Willett. Now he's, now he's doing weekends on Indy 88. Now he just get his do whatever, six days a week on Indy 88. He just graduated from second city. Like it seems like it's the Bob Willett newsletter.

Maybe he's got some insider, uh, you know, maybe he's got something on somebody over there, but Bob's doing really well too. He's got a great gig at Indy 88 actually. It's working out really well for him. He's a happy guy. He'll be here shortly for March's Toast with Rob Bruce. But that's a good launching pad because I want to go back to the beginning because what you start as an intern on the humble and Fred show Yeah, yeah, it is that one time a week one day a week on Fridays So who's the program director when humble and Fred are on mojo radio? Oh Because I barely had any interaction with him because I was so nervous I was like it was um Stu Myers

Stu Myers, I think he had he I Think he was a program director there. I'm not sure to tell you the truth. I do know that the program director when I left was Scott Armstrong. And I think he's still with Chorus. I'm not really sure. But yeah, that was his name. You know, you've got to check your watch on who's with Chorus.

Things are rapidly developing over there. Okay, we'll touch on that later. But who's the producer of The Humble and Fred Show when you're interning? The technical producer was Bob and the actual, the full, you know, show producer was Jeff Domette. We, Schwarma, Jeff Schwarma Domette. He's with the the athletic podcasts now. Yeah, he's done really well in the in the sports landscape. He did stuff with CBC and I think he had, he worked on a hockey podcast.

I can't remember what it was, but yeah, he's done really well too. Okay, shout out to Jeff, F-O-T-M Jeff Demet. So give me a little, like, are you a guy who loves radio and you walk in one day and you're like, I want to intern for you, Humble and Fred? Like, how do you get the internship with Humble and Fred? So when I went to Seneca, I went to Seneca

for radio broadcast and it was a two year course. And one of the, it wasn't a course, but one of the prerequisites to pass to graduate is you had to have a hundred hours of internship. And it could be in anything. It could be, you know, in the, in the creative department, it could be in sales, whatever. I, when I went to school, I always wanted to be on air. I have a cousin that's in radio who's got a morning show out in Halifax. And I was, you know, I was into performance.

I applied to three schools for dramatic arts and three schools for radio. So I knew I wanted to get into performance somehow. So one of the courses that we had, which was taught by Punch Andrews. The great Punch Andrews. Yes, one of my- Mix 99., which was taught by Punch Andrews. The late great Punch Andrews. Yes, one of my- Mixed 99.9.

One of my all time favorites. He's just such a sweet guy, still miss him. It was called Industry Relations. And he, every week he had people that were in various parts of the industry to come in and talk about what they did. And I always knew that I wanted to do, if I had to be an intern,

I wanted it to be in an on-air capacity Ideally for a morning show so humble and Fred came in to talk to the class and I did what I would you know Advise any young kid to do that's trying to break into I don't know I guess any industry is I just hounded them with questions till finally Howard just got so pissed off and he said you know What you're really pissing me off. Why don't you just come in this Friday? Here's our, here's Jeff's number. Give shawarma a call and we'll, we'll arrange something for you. And it just, I kind of stuck around and they couldn't get rid of it. And of course it's difficult to piss off humble Howard.

The most easy going, relaxed personality. I think you're just enough with the questions already. We know you need an internship. Come in. Fine. So I need the dirt as you know, or maybe I guess as you know, I produced the humble and Fred show today. Yeah. So the humble and Fred show is now a podcast. People should subscribe. They're live Monday through Thursday, typically 7 30 live on Facebook. And then we drop it as a podcast later that day, usually by 10 a.m. Is that how you got the gig? Did you just piss Howard off?

Well, you know what you want to know? I blogged about Humble Howard being fired from Mix 99.9. So I was like breaking that news. You ready? This is true. So I had a high SEO ranking for Humble Howard radio and anything related to Humble Howard because I listened to the Humble and Fred show on CFNY

throughout the 90s, the whole fucking decade. As everybody did in Toronto. Everybody did. And I loved the music and I listened to Humble and Fred every morning through high school and university. So I had good SEO for Humble Howard keywords back in 2006. Because Fred gets it in 05. Yes, he was a year before.

And we'll get into this because we're gonna walk through your stuff. But Humble How, I was getting hits, like I was getting visits from people searching, Humble Howard fired. But there was nothing in the public realm about Humble Howard being fired. What happened, where he went, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I got all these, too many to be like, oh, so somebody, I don't know if it was people at Standard or whatever, but people on the inside were wondering if it was already public by Googling it and then ending up on my site. Cause I was number one for these keywords. So if you think, so I'm getting these hits, I'm seeing, Oh, I'm getting some traffic from people as humble Howard fired. So I wrote a blog entry on Toronto Mike.com and I titled it humble Howard.

Are you okay? I'm getting lots of that rings a bell I titled it humble Howard. Are you okay? I'm getting lots of that rings a bell. Hey, humble Howard. You okay? It had turned out, it turned out he was fired, but it wasn't public yet. But because the suddenly, uh, because of this, this post, it was very, I don't know, a day or two later, it went public that humble Howard was in fact fired. It was the first time in his radio life.

He was fired, which is kind of amazing when you think about it. Exactly, especially a guy like Howard who is a little bit more edgier, right? He might do something that might get him fired. So in this heyday of blogging, the mid 2000s, when blogging was a big deal and I had the SEO juice now for Humble Howard fired and people were now tuning into 99.9

and they weren't hearing Humble Howard's voice anymore. So they were Googling what happened to Humble Howard. They were ending up on my post and people were commenting. There's hundreds of comments from people about Humble Howard being fired. This is 2006. So Humble Howard at some point, as you can imagine, Googles himself. Yeah, I'm sure he does all the time. Absolutely. So he Googles Humble Howard fired. He ends up on the post and he sent me a note and he gave me, I remember he said, here's my black, he didn't call it his mobile number or cell number or my phone number. He said, here's my Blackberry number.

And he gave me the Blackberry number. I phoned it. I'm like, dude, I listened to you forever. And he's like, let's meet for coffee or lunch or something. And we became friends. And then when him, and this is December 2006, Humble and Fred were trying to get a gig and they couldn't get a terrestrial radio job. Like they couldn't get one. Like they were trying everywhere to get a new gig. And I remember telling them during a lunch

or something, this is after Howard introduced me to Fred. I said, guys, you don't need a terrestrial radio signal to broadcast in 2006. Apple, not Apple, yeah, Apple. iTunes just added podcasts, and this is now a burgeoning new format. And if you can record an MP3, like if you can record a show, I can share that with the masses as a podcast.

2006, we all got together at Dandaran's house. Were you there that day in December 2006? No, I went to a couple podcasts when he was working out of the offices in Etobicoke for I think it was the company was called Redfish. Of course. Geez. Yeah, I could write a book about that. Yeah, but I didn't go to Dan's house.

Yeah, exactly. But no, I wasn't at Dan's house for that. So that's basically so I for a long time, I was just like technical guy, consultant guy. And then in 2019, we had a little blow up in this basement, which is a story unto itself. Maybe I should write a book about all this. And Howard met me for brunch the next day and said, would you produce our show? And then I came on board as producer. After a blow up?

After literally both of them pissed at me. Fred throwing the camera at me and saying, turn this fucking off. Were his headphones not as loud as Howard's? Jesus dude I'm gonna write a book about it. You forgot about the fact that Howard went to Easy Rock for a little bit of time. Well I didn't forget. Yeah but that was you know there was 2006 he was fired you know the do the thing at Dan Brand's house and then he came back to Terrestrial Radio for a

couple years. 100% and then Fred went to Peterborough and was but when they were both out of work again in 2011 that's when we decided to do it daily yeah and that's sort of when this current incarnation of the show started but I met you through humble and Fred because not only were you an intern at humble and Fred but at some point you're producing humble at least so like yeah so give me a bit of this when humble and Fred quit 640 because they got an offer they couldn't refuse from standard broadcasting on mix 99.9.

Yeah. Did you go with them to Mix 99.9? Not right away. So they left, I think it was like June of that year and I stayed for a couple months because I was getting paid. I was a weekend producer and I was doing some, you know, some on-site stuff for promotions and things like that. So I was getting paid but I, you know, I was riding the wave a little bit of humble and Fred. So when they left my morning, you know, responsibilities were taken back a little bit. I was doing stuff on weekends and even overnights. And it's just, it was, it was, it wasn't that fun anymore. And so I decided to forego that paid gig.

And I became an intern again at 99.9 for, I was probably another, an intern there for at least a few more months and then I started getting a board operator gig. So I went from being an intern to getting paid to being back to an intern again because I thought I wanted to play the long game in 640. It just wasn't for me anymore.

And it needed to be fun, yeah. Yeah, exactly. It needed to be fun for you. Yeah, but it worked out. I mean, it was a tough decision and I thought, I remember the boss at the time was like, I don't know if this is a good decision for you, you might regret this.

And I was so worried, Mike, I was so scared, like I'm this young kid, have I just screwed my whole career? Am I gonna be, you know, is this the rest of my life? I was so scared to make that move. And look at you now, Andy Wilson. This is your life, Andy Wilson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cut to doing the Mike Boone, Toronto Mike podcast.

And now you're in my basement. Yeah, exactly. Well, you know what? You're going to get rewarded in a moment for being in the basement. But so at what point, because you mentioned Easy Rock. So I remember going to a party at Humble Howard's matrimonial home with Randy back in Oakville because they were having a party because Howard was coming back to Terrestrial Radio because he was going to be part of this four person

morning show and easy rock. Those four people were going to be humble. Howard, of course, Colleen Rush home more and hurt later. Kim Stockwood. Yeah. From Shea. Yeah. And from Roger Rick and Marilyn, he had left to join standard broadcast. Rick Hodge. Yeah. Yeah. And there was two producers on the show as well.

It was- Tell me who was producing that show. It was, I was the technical producer, like the bingo bob role. Right. And then it was a girl named Heather Vina, who had come from the promotions department and they moved her into to be the producer

of the show for a while. So there was six people in this small little room. It was a zoo, it was a circus. You know, there was one morning I was invited to live blog from the Easy Rock Morning Show Four-Headed Monster. Yeah, and we were able to fit you into the studio? I was in the, yeah, they fit me in the studio and I had my laptop and I was literally, so this is all before podcasts, I was literally live blogging what I was witnessing behind

the scenes. I remember that day. So you were there that day. Yeah, you brought a friend with you. I'm not sure if it was a girlfriend, a wife. Didn't bring anybody. No? No, just me solo.

Okay. It was very early. Maybe there's another time then. There was another time. It's only the one time, no one with me. And I remembered, I got in a little trouble maybe because I blogged what I saw, like an embedded journalist or something.

And Rick Hodge, who was down the hall doing 10 10. So he'd run down the hall, do 10 10. He was kind of wild actually. I mean, we can talk about what you thought of it in a moment, but now he's back with Kim and Colleen and Howard and there was this bit, I think it was Jimmy Fallon doing this bit about like how all 80 songs sound the same

or something like that. And it really like, and in the room, it just sort of fell flat. And I think Rick Hodge was a little ticked off at how, I don't know, the maybe Colleen and Howard and Kim didn't roll with it the way he had designed in his head or whatever. And he kind of had like a, what I call like a minute little hissy fit, how the, the bit went. And I wrote about it. Anyway, I've talked to Rick about this since we became buddies. He's been over a couple of times. It's all good.

But, uh, I do remember the Rick Hodge mild meltdown at this bit, not really working the way he wanted it. Yeah. I love Hodgie, but Hodgie was in a, in a tough spot because yeah, he was doing stuff for 10 10 in the, the new stock 10 10 root newsroom, and then he would come down to our studio is either once a half hour once every hour I think it was once every hour so he was so disconnected from the show like the show was called humble Colleen you know Kim and Rick or whatever the whatever the

show's name was just so long but he was only there once an hour so he wasn't we're all in the same room for an hour we're talking we're figuring out how to do bits and breaks and stuff like that. And then Rick would come in and, you know, he'd have to play catch up every hour. That was tough on him. It was, no, I think he was set up to fail. And he didn't last long there.

And you know, Marilyn's still on 104.5. So long may she run, but Rick's happily retired now. But what did you think of this four headed monster, as Howard might call it today, this show that was on Easy Rock? Well, at the time I was sold on it. I thought when they announced it, I was like, Oh, that's great. We got a powerhouse and Rick Hodge and we've got humble and Colleen,

these two broadcast veterans that have both got so many years in morning radio. And then we're bringing in Kim Stockwood and she's a performer and she's like this Uber talented singer. How can we go wrong? Right? It was just like, Oh, we've got this all star team. Yes. Look out. Uh, and then it was just the exact opposite. It was, we get into that room and it's just, it's just craziness. He got Kim who doesn't have any, any radio experience. He's got, who's got Rick who's got, he was coming in and out and he's so disconnected. You got two producers, one with, you know, a fair, me with a fair amount of

experience and another one with not much experience working on air, lots of experience in promotions, but not as much on air. And we had to make it all work somehow. Jeez. Yeah. And at some point, I guess, uh, Kim and, uh, Rick get their walking papers. Uh, yes, Kim, Kim first, I don't know if it was the same day or if Rick got his a little while down the line, but I think they both got

their walking papers before we made the format change to boom. Yes, so we're still Easy Rock and now it's Humble and Colleen basically. Yeah, that's right. And me, I got promoted to the head producer, the other producer, I don't know if she was transferred or like I'm not really sure what sure but you're now the the Producer of humble and Colleen on on easy rock and very kind of exciting because you're gonna play some better music Easy rock is going to change its formats to Boom yeah, we the first song we played we launched on Boxing Day It's a weird day to launch,

but we launched Boom 97.3 on Boxing Day. And the first song we played was Journey, Don't Stop Believing. And after working for Mix and EZ Rock and not playing stuff like Journey, playing Journey, listening, hearing that on 97.3 was just so cool. I was, it was so, and you know, all the credit to Boom. They still play very good music. Well, the joke is that I and I don't know how long Humble and

Colleen go but at some point are you are you sort of like the baby going out with the bathwater because at some point Humble and Colleen get their pink slips from Boom. Yeah and again I survived I was like you know I got I worked with a lot of people and very fortunate to work with so many talented people But I have always felt kind of guilty because I've survived so many fire roads. Yes I've survived so many firings and I always like I feel bad. Okay, I'm called survivor guilt That's a real or am I the problem right is it what's the common denominator? Well, it's me all these people keep getting Let's go you tell me humbleble and Colleen get fired basically. So now this is the

second time if you're keeping track that Humble Howard gets fired. Humble and Colleen get fired. They're replaced by Stu Jefferies. Am I right? Yeah. And Stu's there today. So that's unbelievable. And what a sweetheart. He's been over a couple times. He's great. Yeah, Stu's good. And Stu's the only guy in the room. When I've seen him recording and it's just like he's just doing all the board-op and doing's the only guy in the room. Like when I've seen him recording and it's just like he's just doing all the board off and doing all the setting, everything up. And there's no one else in that room except Stu Jeffries. A while ago, I reached out to him when I was in between jobs and I was like,

Stu, you got, you need a producer, man. You can't do this all on your own. You got to, I'm sure, I'm sure you want some. That's exactly what he said. I get it. Cause I don't want to produce on this show either. So sorry, sorry interns. I'm a one man operation here. So when Humble and Colleen leave Boom, what happens to Andy Wilson?

I was transferred over to, was it Mix9999 at the time? I can't remember if they had made the switch to Virgin or not, but I was transferred over to 99.9 one way or another to work with, I believe, Mad Dog and Billy. Yeah, I worked with Mad Dog and Billy for a very short time and then they changed that show again. Billy was let go and I was still there. I survived, of course, and that's when they brought in Maura Grierson. There's probably some dates that aren. And that's when they brought in Maura Grierson. There's probably some dates that aren't totally accurate, but they brought in Maura to work with Mad Dog.

So this is wild. So if you're keeping track at home, you're with Humble and Fred, then you're with Humble, Colleen, Kim, and Rick. And then you're with Humble and Colleen. And now you're with Mad Dog and Billy. But then shortly thereafter, this becomes Mad Dog and Maura. Yeah. Maura started two months after me. We both started at 99.9 around the same

time. I started in November. I think she started in January. So I've, I've known Maura for years, but yeah, I was Mad Dog and Maura. And now it would, they were a show for, I want to say about three years. They did a show together, Mad Dog and Maura. Now Maura I've met, but hasn't, haven't had her in the basement. That sounds dirty, but it's not. And Mad Dog's been over several times, but he's now in Montreal, where you were for a bit. But maybe just a little bit on these big personalities, these big Toronto radio legends you worked with. I don't know what you're willing to say because you're still in the game. When you retire from the game

and come over, maybe we'll get more real talk. Who knows? But what was it like? What were Humble and Fred like to work with? I'm just curious what your dynamic was with these two guys. Honestly, they were the best. I still say, I'll say this to anybody, I owe them so much. They were so, they were very giving, right? It was obviously their show and they were control freaks, but that's a good thing, because it's their show. You should be a control freak for your own show.

But they were so giving with their time for me. me. I think they saw me as somebody that was just looking to learn. I wasn't looking to make myself into anything. I just wanted to learn. I just wanted to be around the business. And I knew that I was fortunate to work under them. So I always found them to be the most giving person. And I always remember when I was an intern, and it sounds so trivial, but as an intern getting paid little to no money, Humble and Fred always wanted coffee in the morning. They always wanted breakfast. And one of your jobs as an intern was to get them coffee or breakfast or whatever.

And I always thought, what an honor because it sounds so stupid, but they would always give me, they would want, give us two coffees and they'd give me 20 bucks. Oh, okay. So I'm coming back with, and they say, keep the change. Yes. And so there'd be like $15 of change. And I, so it would, there were little things like that made them stand out, you know, so much more above the crowd because I can't, they were just so giving to somebody in my position. So I've got nothing. I've really, I know maybe it sounds boring or whatever, but I've got nothing bad to say about them

I still love them love them to death when we know your relationship with them is good because I saw you at Kelsey's supporting them as they did a live show in December like you guys are obviously still buds Yeah, well, I you know what we lost contact a little bit move into Montreal and life gets busy and stuff like that But I I never want in this it's a cliche and it's probably the same for any business, Mike, but you don't, you don't burn bridges. And I'm sure I've made mistakes along the way, but I've always tried to maintain healthy, you know, relationships with people that I've worked with. However, you know, that relationship ended, I've always tried to keep, keep things going in a positive manner because you just never know, you never

know. And so you always want to have these people in your corner. Why not? Especially people like Humble and Fred, Mad Dog, Maura Tucker. Big names. So these are big names, especially Toronto Radio Circles. And you know, you must have had a good relationship with Humble Howard because you're producing him again as we just discussed. You're producing him on Mixed. Where are we again? Not who we know. At Boom. At Boom. Okay. So. Easy Rock. He wasn't there at Boom who we are. No, I know there's a lot. At Boom, at Boom, okay, so. I know what, EZ Rock, he wasn't there at Boom. Humble. Well, he was there at Boom,

because EZ Rock switches to Boom, and it's still Humble and Colleen for a while. Was it? Yeah. I can't remember, so it's so long ago. You have to trust me on this one. No, I do, you're right. So he absolutely, because I remember even chatting

with Howard in the phone. He's excited about the music format changing, because Boom, unlike EZ Rock, Boom plays songs that would have been played on CFTY in the 90s. It fit him much better, yeah. You get an R.E.M. song or something like that. Yeah, because boom unlike easy rock boom plays songs that would have been played on CFY in the 90s it fit him much better Yeah, you get an REM song or something. Yeah, exactly. Yeah a lot of stuff from you know late 80s I think he started at CFNY in 89. Yeah, but yeah all through the 90s and booms all over that. Yeah boom Okay, speaking of boom boom is a weird

Station in this country because in some I, boom here is owned by new cap. No, is it stingray? Stingray, Stingray bought new cap. Okay. But Colleen Rusholme was on boom owned by chorus in Ottawa. In Ottawa. Yeah. So that's weird.

Like does this is, I don't know. Maybe you don't know the answer, but does stingray license the name? Like, I don't know of this anywhere else. Yeah, you've got the wrong podcast. Yeah, I know a lot of people but I don't know a lot of things Yes, he might know better than me. So the woman I wanted this is a long-winded way of saying because I'm a big fan of this Woman she's been over several times and she's promised me as soon as an NDA expires She will be back in the basement to talk to me about what happened But what was it like working with the lovely and talented Colleen Rushol?

She's one of the funny She's one of the more naturally funny people that I've worked with in radio And I don't think she knew how funny she was at times right she would just say things that were just so ridiculous We know Howard's gone on the record to say that the humble and Colleen show between the breaks like when you're not recording He says was the funniest thing he's ever heard. Yeah, him and I talk about that all the time, because it was. But why not, what was it that when the red light came on,

did you feel you, now you need to, I don't know, harness your funny because you're trying not to be too edgy? You know what it was, I think, for her, and I don't think she's alone in this boat, is at the time, I think for her, and I don't think she's alone in this boat is at the time, I think, um, women in broadcasting were portrayed a certain way, rightly or wrongly. And I think image, I'm, I don't want to speak for anybody, but I think image probably mattered a lot to people. And you didn't want to, uh, if you're a certain character on air, you're a little bit worried to be your real self on air.

And so you gotta be maybe a little bit fake, a little bit about what the bosses want or what the consultants want. They say, oh, they don't want this kind of woman or they don't want that. And women were very, very hyper-focused, you know, probably too, obviously, I think definitely too hyper-focused on at that time.

And I think Colleen and I don't, you know, again, I don't want to speak for her, but I think Colleen and a lot of other women probably felt that they weren't able to be their natural true selves on air or they were or they were hesitant. No, I hear you. That makes complete sense to me. You're kind of second guessing because your instinct when there's no red light on and you're just privately chatting, you're going to just be yourself unfiltered. And then when the red lights on, you might second guess, is this going to be like, is this good? Am I going to get a meeting with a program director because of this? Or you've got a role, right? As the woman on the show, you've got a role that you've

got to be, you know, pigeonholed into and, you know, laugh at the guy's jokes, laugh at Howard's jokes. Yeah. Yeah. And that was, you know, that's fine because he was funny, but she, she was so funny too. Right. But she didn't bring as much of that funny on air. And I think she knew that too, because they would talk publicly off air, like, this is the show right here. So you know, they knew at the time even.

What was it like working with Mad Dog, Jay Michaels? Again, like, it sounds, listen, I'm not going to be saying anything controversial today, Mike, because I'm like you said, I'm still in the business. You're still in the game, you're coming back when you retire. And I've still got good relations, I think, with everybody.

I was talking to Mad Dog a few days ago, just over Instagram. Again, super talented, right? Super, he thought about radio in a very different way than Humble did. Humble was, you know, a standup comedian, he's got that background, he's very quick to be funny. Jay saw bits, he was able to turn so many things

into bits in different ways, and I think that's where Mad Dog's creativity really thrived was turning small little things into big bits and making it a subject on the show or turning it into whatever he wanted to turn it into. He was super talented with that. I thought that was his strength and it probably still is to a certain extent. Why was Billy fired? Billy was fired because I think I don't know. So I don't know. You're being too honest. No, I know. I don't know

all the ins and outs to tell you the truth, but I think Billy was just, she was just done with mix or virgin, I suppose. She was there for virgin. She was there for the, from mix to virgin. I think she was done with that. I think she had some stuff going on with her own life. That was maybe a little bit of a distraction. And you know, mornings were maybe a little bit tough for her. So no fault of her own.

She was just distracted, I think. And I think that that was maybe ultimately her downfall because she couldn't balance both things. But again, she's doing really well. She's a program director and a morning show host in I'm not sure where in Ontario somewhere. Kitchener? Yeah, that sounds about right.

I don't wanna get it wrong. No, it's probably something around. I will take this moment to cross promote here that the Billie Holiday episode of Toronto Mike is pretty damn great. So I kind of I pepper her with all these exact questions here. So go find the Billy Holiday episode of Toronto Mike. No, not that Billy Holiday, this Billy Holiday. And then you get all the scoop on why the heck she she's gone from mix 99. Virgin Radio 99.9 yeah I was virgin and Mad Dog sticks around they team him with Maura as you said Maura who you would work with again in the future but just tell me a little bit about working with Maura so Maura I love Maura and and like I said we started around the same time so I definitely have a I feel like I've got a closer relationship with her and I

love her husband Matt now Maura brought out the best in Mad Dog. Maura brought out a different side of Mad Dog. And Maura was a totally different kind of broadcaster, a little bit more willing to put herself out there. And Maura was funny and she knew it. And she knew that she was, you know, she's a little bit of a different person, she's a little bit of a hippie. But she knows it and she leans into it.

And that's where Maura and that's where that's where Maura that's where the gold comes from with Maura is she leans into who she is and she she doesn't take things too personally she rolls with the punches she can she can hang with the guys better than anybody and and she was she was great for Mad Dog I really think that she brought out the best in him and he was able there was her that was her first morning gig so he was able to bring out a lot from her too. Well Maura owes a lot to Mad Dog because today, today, like as we speak, Maura is the morning show co-host with Tucker, who we'll get to in a minute,

on 102.1, where Humble and Fred were before they went to Mojo when you joined them. You know, Maura's been doing morning radio, I don't know when Mad Dog started, um, when him and him and more started, whatever that was, but more has probably be doing morning radio in Toronto on air for at least a decade. Who can say how many people can really say that, especially, other than Marilyn Dennis, well, especially women. So if you're talking just women right now, you got Marilyn and then who else? Yeah. Yeah. Talking like Jane Brown, Jane Brown, I

guess my how long is Jane Brown being on Zuma radio in the morning? Oh she's been there doing morning news way before my time I want to say 14 years. See I don't know if you count news I'm gonna throw FOTM Jill Dempsey into the mix. So if you're gonna count news you got yeah you got to open it right up but more than ever did news she you's on air host. Of course, no, you're right. If we put the unicorn known as Marilyn Dennis aside, she's probably gonna be on the air for another 30 years.

Sure, why not? And she'll stop being on air whenever she wants. She might end up owning that station. Belle will be just take it, it's yours. Yeah, well some people start a podcast and she just takes the radio station. Yeah, She's going to make her own decisions about her career, which is that's what everybody wants in radio really. Well, yeah, good for her. No, but Maura, you know, I've got nothing, you know, I have nothing but love for Maura and I'm so happy for her and Tucker.

And I think, I think they have a great chemistry together. But yeah, Maura's, Maura's one of the best. She's been around for so long, so long. So what happens to Mad Dog? So we just talked about it was Mad Dog and Billy and then we said it's Mad Dog and Maura. You're producing this show, right? I was, no, I was the assistant producer on that show. Assistant or associate? Associate, whatever. A-S-S-T. I had a, when Gilmore, so I had a A on my Gilmore Jersey from 1993. I

think it was because Wendell Clark is over here in the background. Not really. Just a picture of him. Everybody. He's not sitting in a corner. My silent co-host. He doesn't get the talk on the mic. It's just Wendell Clark. He's spoken to. He should come at me. I need some muscle to protect me here. Wendell Clark here, but I had this jersey and as a, and I was, I got to admit in 93, I'm like a teenager. Okay. I'm pretty old and I'm thinking a stands for assistant captain. This is what I'm thinking as a teenager. And at some point somebody says, Mike, you know, a doesn't stand for assistant. And I'm like, what are you talking about? A is assistant captain, your assistant captain. No, it's alternate captain a on the hockey jersey is for alternate.

Really? Yep. Oh, you thought it was assistant too, right? Yes, 42 years I've been on this earth thinking assistant captain, I've been totally okay with it. Alternate makes way more sense. I know, but I mean, I didn't go 42 years of ignorance like you, Andy, that's a new record for ignorance.

But I did go a good 20 something years thinking A stood for assistant captain So I was alternate producer then you were all Yeah, I was the alternate producer on Mad Dog and more But okay, so Mad Dog and Billy becomes Mad Dog and more and then it's more and Tucker. Mm-hmm What happens to Mad Dog? Mad Dog, he was let go And he had you know, he was probably on air for,

at 99.9 for a good six years. He was let go. And he did a lot of stuff with 1010 and 104 and Chum. But you do realize all these stations, am I right, all these stations are owned by the same cable company? Yeah, well, it was Standard, became Astral, became Bell. But yeah, they were all under the same umbrella. Yes, right, sorry. Yes, it was, of course. It was Standard became Astral, became Bell. But yeah, they were all under the same umbrella.

Yes, right, sorry. Yes, it was, of course. Standard became Astral, became Bell. Yeah. Yeah. So, Mad Dog, gone from 99.9, did absolutely resurfaced on 10.10 and did some one before, probably filled in for Roger Ashby when he got vacation days or something like that. Yeah, he did a lot of fill-in. He did like a good month or two run there. I think Roger was away for a while or whatever.

Well, he probably wanted that gig. He did. Well, why not? Anybody would. And I think he, and him and Marilyn had a great chemistry and I think he probably came in second to whoever got that gig. But I thought he was a shoe-in for that gig.

I really did. I was a little bit surprised that they went whatever direction they went. But he did get an afternoon drive gig at 1010. He was on the rush. Oh, that's right, with Ryan Doyle. Yeah. And then Ryan was walked out and then it was, uh, who was, who was, was it Rashmi? Anyways, it was very short lived. I can't remember anymore, but bottom line is he got an offer to go to

Montreal and he went and he's still happily in Montreal, Mad Dog. So he found it. He found a great gig on a really big station in Montreal. It's a rock station. Yeah and it's a perfect gig for him and where he's at in his life and I haven't really heard much. I've heard a couple breaks here and there that he posts on social media but I know that the the format of that station fits perfectly with him. I know him and his wife they've moved out there. Their kid, Dustin, has moved to Montreal as well. So yeah, Montreal has worked out very, very well. My daughter is, although not this week,

because it's reading week, but my daughter lives in Montreal during the school year. Where does she live? The Plateau area. There's a neighborhood called the Plateau. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is she going to McGill? Yeah, she's going to McGill.

Yes, exactly. So she shares a flat with three, three other students. The four of them live in this flat and she's she loves Montreal. I love Montreal. I'm afraid I'm going to lose her to Montreal. This is my new fear. We, we absolutely loved living in Montreal and where we lived and we will, we we've talked about going back for vacation and we loved everything about Montreal. The job didn't work out, but everything else about Montreal. Okay, let's get you to Montreal. So here, so Mora and Tucker. While this talking, can I, we've got three beers here

and they're just looking at me. Well, actually I was thinking I might run, you want a cold one? I can go to the fridge and get you one. Like if you tell me this. Oh, I thought you were offering me warm beers because you're definitely- No, those are going home with you, so Great Lakes beer.

Yeah, that's going home with you. Those four are going home with you. But if you tell me now logger ale or IPA I'll zip up. I'll get you started on something and I'll zip up while you're talking and get you a cold one Do you want a logger an ale or an IPA? I'll have a logger or an ale logger or ale Whatever whatever you know. Yeah. Yeah, no, whatever one you grab first. I'll happily do you play Kim Mitchell and zoomer radio Yes, we play we had Kim Mitchell on a last summer He was doing the Burlington Sound of Music so we had Kim Mitchell on Zoomer Radio? Yes, we played. We had Kim Mitchell on last summer. He was doing the Burlington Sound of Music.

So we had Kim Mitchell on and yeah, we played Kim Mitchell all the time. I bet you Patio Lanterns gets played on the daily on Zoomer. No, you know what? It doesn't get played as much as you think. We, oh, I can't remember the name of the song. It's a slower song that we play actually a fair amount. Diamonds?

No, no, no, no, no. It's not loggernail. I'm gonna go, so here's what I'm gonna do. I need you to talk. I'll listen to you while I run's what I'm going to do. I need you to talk. I'll listen to you while I run upstairs to get you out. I'm going to get you out. So much. No, this is your job.

Yeah, I know. Toronto might debut. I got to capture it. When you die, people are going to listen to this episode to know what and who was Andy Wilson. This is what it's going to. This is the only thing that'll live on in my career. Well, we'll see.

I'm setting you up for this. I want to know how do you get the producer gig with Maura and Tucker? Aren't you producing that show on 99.9 Virgin Radio? Wait, what do you mean? I, how do we? Tucker, well, like you said, you're alternate producer. Oh, I see.

Yes, yes, yes. You get producer gigs. So maybe talk a little bit about working with Maura and Tucker on 99.9 and a little bit about Maura and Tucker. I'm only.9 and a little bit about more and Tucker. I'm only gonna be 20 seconds Okay. Well, so the producer that we had with Mad dog and Maura she was from America. And so when yeah it was so when When mad dog got let go we kept the producer and I stayed as the alternate producer and that was the way it went for

About nine months or so. And then they made a change. The type of show that she liked to produce wasn't the type of show that Tucker and Maura liked to produce. The type of show that she liked to do was a lot of pre-prepared bits, a lot of stuff that was scripted out, right?

And so it wasn't as off the cuff. It wasn't as much in the moment. And that's the type of show that Tucker and Maura really thrive on is things happening in the moment and reacting and not so much not planning out because that doesn't sound all that professional, but- More spontaneous? Yes, exactly.

And so- I'm like a thesaurus over here. Yeah, you are. You're a very smart guy. You're a wordsmith. So they went in a different direction and that's when I got promoted. It took about six months.

Like they really, I don't know if they didn't buy into me or if they were just lazy at Bell, but it took about six months. I applied for that job right away. Sure. Well, you're the natural choice. I thought so too, but for six months, Bell Media disagreed.

But finally, yeah, it finally worked out. They came around and I had a great time producing with them. We had a lot of fun on that show. I was, I think that was the show that really, that really gave me my confidence. I think I took another step in my career with that show. Tucker was really adamant about people that work on the show are personalities on the show. And he wanted everybody that worked on that show

to contribute in an on airair in an on-air way not to just you know you know produce IDs in the background or get you know coffee or wrangle guests Tucker wanted everybody that worked on that show to be a character which I totally respected and I thought I've kind of seen things that way since then too. Amazing I want you to crack open your Canuck Pale Ale from Great Lakes Brewery on the mic. OK, nice and cold. The mountains are blue, Mike.

I love it. Thank you by the way. You're not having any? Well, I got I was going to have one later with Antonia Zerbe. Yes, I always say that name wrong. Antonia B. Is that I should call her. I'm recording with her this afternoon.

I didn't grab myself one, but you pop that on the mic. There we go. That is from Great Lakes Brewery. You are going to have some to take home with you. Do you drink beer during the morning zoom on zoom or radio? I don't drink beer during the week. I don't, I really don't drink. This is Friday, of course. Well, yeah, but I don't drink that much beer at all. I drink in the summer. If I'm, you know,

after a slow pitch game over at Centennial Park where I play Will have drinks after I play slow pitch for 15 years in in Etobicoke where over at um Lot of different diamonds. There were diamonds Burnham Thorpe and there's a couple of fields field gate area Yeah, and then we also played at there's a Kennedy Road up north. There's a complex of four, yeah, there was four diamonds there. But I played in a league for many years. There's a field right down your street.

It's 27th Street. Jeff O'Neill plays in the league. He plays the Tuesday night league, but there's a Thursday night league that I play. Oh dog himself. Yeah, yeah. He said no to his Toronto Mike invitation. Oh really? Yeah. I could have reached out to him for it.

Although Tucker and Maura said no. I definitely wanted to have them on when they were coming on to see if and why. Maybe I should have said no. Well, you said no for 11 years. Okay. So you're enjoying your Great Lakes beer. Yeah. Proud sponsors of the program. They're hosting us FOTMs, us friends of Toronto Mike. All the listeners are going to collect on June 26 at Great Lakes Brewery on 30 Queen Elizabeth Boulevard in South Etobicoke

from 6 to 9 PM, Thursday, June 26, 2025. Palma Pasta is going to feed us that night. Palma Pasta sent over a lasagna for you, Andy Wilson. I can't wait, by the way. This is a big box of lasagna. Saturday night, herema Pasta sent over a lasagna for you, Andy Wilson. I can't wait, by the way. It's a big, it's a big box of lasagna. Well, Saturday night, here I come. You don't get a body like this. Does your wife know you're bringing home lasagna? I bring home the lasagna every night. That's bacon.

No, you don't get a body like this, Mike, by not having lasagna. Oh, before, when I saw you in the car and then I was coming to get you to help you get down here and not hit your head I said you look like George Michael because you had these shades on these big shades and you had like that five o'clock shadow thing That George kind of lived with and I'm like you looked like George Michael Which is the highest compliment I've ever given anybody. You know what? Nobody's ever called me George Michael So I will take that compliment you could have called you get away and I wasn't wearing glasses Listen, you could have gone the route of boy George, but I'm,

I appreciate you going to George Michael. You want to hurt me. Okay. This is awesome because I'm going to give you a measuring tape from Ridley funeral home. Yeah. So, you know, this is a, for in my family, Ridley funeral home is a competition. Do you tell I've got my whole, not my whole family,

but we've been in the funeral business for at least 25 years. My dad retired from the Ontario government when he was very, very young. He got a great package. He was 49 years old. He was too young to retire, but he got, so he decided to work part time for funeral homes.

And he worked downtown Toronto at a funeral home called Bedford. And then they live up in Markham and he's been working at a funeral home called Highland and then they live up in Markham and he's been working at a funeral home called Highland Funeral Home for about 25 years as long as he worked for the Ontario government. Where is that? It's just across from where Buttonville Airport used to be. Oh, up there, yeah. So 404 and Brotherford. Where Humble Howard once took me in a flight. Yeah, exactly. His plane was at a, what is that, a Buttonville. The funeral company is

called Arbor, Arbor Memorial and And my sister works at head office. My dad still works there. My cousin just retired from there. So yeah. Okay, now I remember introducing you to Brad Jones. Yes. At Kelsey's in December. Yeah, we had a good talk.

We had a good talk because he was in the funeral business and I've always had a fascination with the funeral business and I've always respected the funeral business. I think they are salt of the earth people. Yeah, and Brad and I had a great chat. Amazing. It's like a calling. Brad Jones, excellent at his job, owns and operates.

He's the chief bottle washer. He's the funeral director. He's got a podcast called Life's Undertaking people should subscribe to. Speaking of podcasts real quick here, I want to tell people, I just earlier this morning, I recorded an episode of building Toronto skyline with Nick Aynes. Nick Aynes is a proud sponsor of this program and this

episode was all about one young there's a I took a note here here I'm taking my notes here this and again uh Nick has nothing to do with this development except that he's a fan of wood developments in general and condo developments and residential towers and he's a big fan of skyscrapers because he wrote a book called Battle of the skyscrapers but I won young street the Toronto star where Toronto star building is slash was in this complex here it's going to be 345 meters okay so if you get the penthouse which I think goes for like 30 million dollars it's still available, Andy, if you're making that zoomer cash, you might want to get in on that. Yeah. I might have to ask for a razor too. It's at the height of the observation deck of the CN tower. Wow. Really? Yeah. And it's three, it's a, it's a 105 stories. So you, you know, no building in Toronto,

it's not quite finished yet this, uh, but they're now starting to sell from phases or whatever. But when this is done at one young it is going to be the tallest building in canada residential tallest building excluding obviously the sean tower which is not a residential yeah skyscraper would you want to have a penthouse that high like i'd like to have a penthouse but i don't know if i would 105th floor i don't know if i'd be able to enjoy it you know what i I mean? If I go out, the view would be amazing, but as soon as I go out onto the patio or onto the balcony, I'd be freaking out. I don't know if I'd be able to enjoy it. And I'd be worried, like, am I swaying with the wind? Like I know they have like, you

know, architects and people are taking care of this, but I also, I also not, not that I'm afraid of them, but I just don't like taking elevators. Like I like to take stairs and I can't imagine I'll be there in an hour. I got 105 flights. You'd be spending your whole day in the stairwell. But if you, anything you've ever wanted to know about One Young, we talked to the people at Pinnacle International this morning on the latest episode of building Toronto Skyline and all the questions you want to know, have answered about One

Young are answered by this gentleman from Pinnacle International. That's very cool. That happened today. And last but not least, Andy, Andy because we're gonna get you to Montreal and then we're gonna talk zoomer You've been amazing by the way. How is it going so far? You got a beer you got lasagna. You feeling good? I'm as I'm as I'm as I couldn't be happier. I don't know if I'll leave I might just hang out in your basement I need a co-host, you know, it's tough to do it. I think humble and Fred I think oh it must be nice to have somebody else. Like, cause I'm been one man operation here, but you know, you're not alone in the booth.

You've got Jane there with you. We'll get to that. Well, that's, well, yeah, well, okay, we'll get to it cause it's not exactly true. I can actually, I can actually relate a little bit to how you're feeling. You say, you're going to say Stu's got to figure it out because Stu Jeffries, he works alone.

He used to work of Colleen Rusholm to bring it all full circle here, but he's been working alone a long time. Okay, so just to share that if you, Andy Wilson, have a drawer, a room, a closet full of old cables, old electronics, old maybe old phones, I don't know what you've got piled up there. Don't throw that in the garbage. You go to recyclemyelectronics dot CA, you put in your postal code and then you'll find out where you can drop it all off to be properly recycled. So those chemicals do not end up in our landfill. You got it. Andy Wilson. I love that because everybody's got a drawer of just electronics that you know they want

to throw out. You know, they haven't seen the cables, right? I've got cables I've been holding on to since the 90s. Oh, mic cables, XLR cables. Coaxial cables. I don't even have any. Yeah, exactly. Quarter inch this and yeah, it's ridiculous. It serves no purpose other than taking up space.

And you're just, I'll hold on to this. Well no, time to. Yeah, I might need this. We go to recyclemyelectronics.ca. Okay, this is sad news for you Andy Wilson because Tucker in the morning on 99.9 version radio comes to an end. What happened?

This, you know, I don't really, I don't want to, I don't regret anything, but I don't really hold any ill will or anything like that for anything that's happened in my career. I feel like I've, I've been lucky been lucky enough to be able to get over it. But this is, it was still a change because I was let go. And as were a number of other people, it made absolutely no sense. And it still makes no sense to me. And they never do. But we had great ratings, like the best ratings that 99.9 had had in probably damn near eight, nine, 10 years. We were killing it, but for whatever reason, they wanted to make some changes. Um, I think there was some politics that were involved.

I don't know. You don't say Mr. Well, there always is, but it felt like the politics were pretty obvious. But the politics are dancing, but they, you know what it worked out again. It, I still, uh, I'm over it obviously, but I still don't like how it all ended. And I think Tucker and Moore would say the same thing. It didn't end in a positive way, as these things typically don't. But it worked out for me personally.

I was able to rebound. I was very, very fortunate. I bounced back pretty quickly. And I was in Montreal about two months later. So who became the morning show on 99 nine, Adam wild. It was Adam. Oh, speaking of Maryland, Dennis, what a small world we live in politics. What a small, wow. Okay. Wow. Okay. Adam wild, uh, son of Maryland Dennis, if you don't know.

It was Adam Wilde. It was a TJ who was the afternoon guy at Virgin and Jax from Kiss 92. Oh, sure. Yeah. She came over to Virgin. So, do you feel like possibly Marilyn, who is very powerful at Bell Media Radio because she's been anchoring that successful morning show for many, many decades since the 80s there. Do you think maybe the fact that her son wanted,

she wanted her son to have that gig cost you this job? Well, I'm sure she wanted her son to have any gig, but- She must have some pull there. Well, but her son also knew- Trying to get you in trouble, Andy. No, I know you are, but I'm not gonna bite, Mike. But her son also knew a lot of people you in trouble, Andy. No, I know you're, I know you are, but I'm not going to bite Mike. Uh, but her son also knew, you know, a lot of people in upper management and they knew him and you know, they didn't

make just the change on the morning show, right? They made change. They made sweeping changes. They got rid of, uh, two weekend announcer, yeah, two weekend announcers, a midday person. They got rid of a number of people. So it't just them if it was just the morning show then it might be a little Bit more suspect, but they it was a big day when when they got rid of I think eight or nine people that day It was a lot. It was a pain you got swept away in this wave There's no more Andy Wilson on 99.9 and that was my you know talking about Howard first time ever being fired That was my first time which is amazing that know, it's amazing to get that far. I know, right.

I was eventually, eventually, you know, a law of diminishing returns, right? Eventually I'm going to get let go. So Fred Patterson started with whatever company was owning one or 2.1 at the time, but he started there, I think, in the late seventies. And he just so he worked for the same play in the same place till he left mojo for mix 99.9 like that's that's how long he went and of course he left on his own to go to that story you if you want to get humble and fred going uh talk about that decision to leave mojo for 99.9 uh for mix 99.9 yeah they were so happy with happy with that decision. Yeah, it was really big money.

Bigger money. It was a great, it was a great out when you talk to them. They've been public about this because on this show, particularly without a doubt, Howard talked Fred into it like without a doubt how Fred was hesitant to leave the place he had been for a very long time. And Howard said we'd be foolish to leave this money on the table and talked Fred into it. Well, they were probably both right.

Right. foolish to leave this money on the table and talked Fred into it. Well, they were probably both right, right? Fred, Fred had, they had a great thing at chorus, probably better at edge than they did at mojo. I think they both probably in retrospect, you know, now knowing what they know now, I think they both regretted, uh, leaving edge, but at the same time, you know, again, it was a great contract from Mix. And I think, you know, being on a music station was probably better for them anyway. And this was a great offer. So, yeah, absolutely. Why not take it?

But it sounded again, we're going backwards here, but then we're going to get back to Montreal here. But it sounds like Standard purchased the Humble and Fred Show and then tried to change the Humble and Fred Show. Yeah, they did. Which is a recipe for disaster Yeah, you know who they are, right? Like you don't you don't sign, you know If you take it to a sports analogy You don't sign you know

You don't sign a super offensive forward and then put them on the fourth line and expect him right like yeah, right, right? Mcdavid's a free agent. You don't give him the maximum contract to have them be like a checking forward Yeah, yeah You got to know who you're dealing with. You gotta know who you're signing, and you're signing these two super funny, talented guys. Let them, and their big personalities, let them be big personalities. I hated the music.

I'm going on the public record. I hated, because I liked Humble and Fred, and I wanted to listen to them on Mix 99.9, but I couldn't listen to them because I hated the music. It was so watered down, and I was more of an edge guy. It was, it was. But I fucking hated, I hated the morning show on edge. So I was like a man of out of country. I was like Stringer Bell, man, man of out of country because I liked Humble and Fred, but I didn't like the music. I liked the edge music, but I fucking hated the morning show.

Where do I go? Yeah, exactly. I have to start a podcast. Okay. so Montreal. So interesting during this period though, although there's a brief period of time when Maura and Tucker start a podcast. You know this? Cause I started it with them. We all started.

Where did that start? Was that at Humble and Fred Studio? The very first one we did, you know, it might've been at Humble and Fred Studio. It might've been in Tucker's basement. We definitely did do one podcast at Hummel and Fred Studio at on the Queens way. Yeah. But we did a number of episodes at Tucker's house.

Well, so, and again, this has been scrubbed. I'm sure no one can find this anymore. And Tucker and more are happy on 102.1 now and you're happy on zoom, zoomer radio. But Mark Wiseblood used to tip me off that you've got to hear this. This is the most like authentic radio ever. This podcast that existed for a minute.

With Tucker and Maura? Yeah. It was authentic. Like they were completely like real talk in this industry and what happened to them at 99.9. It was really refreshing and that's why it had to die. Well Well because it was so, it was so, what had just happened was so new and I think we were all still pretty pissed off about it and so we took it out on the air. We were just really open with what happened and

we just... So email me a link to maybe the Google Drive where those files exist, okay? I want to revisit. I would love to. I think I might have them somewhere. Okay. Hook me up. That was the best, uh, best ever Montreal. So you couldn't get a gig in Toronto. So you're like, we got to move. It wasn't even that at all. I didn't have time to look. I, I, the program director, uh, in Montreal reached out to me two, three days later. I like, I was still getting over what just happened and he reached out to me and we started chatting and, uh, it, we started chatting. I was, he reached out to me to be the, uh, producer of the morning show and the assistant program director and through our chats, uh, I sent him a demo that I

had and he got back to me and he said, how would you feel about being a morning show cohost? And I had never been on air in a host capacity at all. I wasn't seeking out the job, but it was a major market in Toronto. It's a major morning show in Canada. How, yeah. Or he said in Toronto, I've been up since four 30. Uh, how could I say no?

How could I say no? So, and it was, we were in a place where my wife and I, we were in a place where we were able to take a chance like that. And we have so many great stories to tell. And that's what, that's the best part about that experience was, you know, not the job and not this and the stories that we came back from, we came back with is just worth it. I mean, I wouldn't know. I've only lived in one city and I feel like, oh shit, like it sounds exciting. Even my oldest daughter who's living in Montreal, I'm like, Oh,

that's kind of neat to be in a different place for awhile. I think they, I think the stats, like 70% of people don't move outside of their, their area code. Like they just stay in the same area code their whole life. Well, I had no problem being that guy either. I loved, I lived literally three streets down from you, Mike. I lived in Mimico. I love, we loved Mimico. We still come back. But, you know, it was, it was an opportunity

that we wouldn't get, you know, these opportunities don't come along. And, and we're, again, we were in a place to try something new. And I think when you get that, that chance, you got to bite, you got to, you got to take it. Without a doubt. And please correct me if I'm wrong,

but this is where, what is this show called is this uh it was called I'm gonna try it the beat bracket was the station was the baby 92.5 yeah and I think it was the Mickey Sam and Andy yes that was nines with Nikki salmon was that would okay yeah okay I check in my notes here yeah Nikki's it was a three of us and we had a, um, a traffic person and a news person as well, her name was Kim. So, uh, about that. Yeah. Yeah.

COVID was it COVID was really what COVID killed that COVID sunk. So you, you came back to Toronto. Yeah. Okay. How do you get the gig at zoomer radio? Again, I was super lucky. Um, I, so I got let go in Montreal and that was like panic set in. Luckily, my wife was able to work and you know, all that sort of stuff, but panic set

in like, what, we don't speak French. We have no connection as connections in this province and nobody's hiring. It's it's COVID. It was like, it was, I got let go in July of 2020 COVID was raging. Nobody knew anything. And so I decided, um decided time for a career change. And I started taking the real estate course for Ontario to get my license to sell real estate in Ontario.

And nobody really knows about this. Only a few people I've talked to about this. Yeah. No, I know nobody. Well, TJ Connors did this. He had a big show in Winnipeg. Oh, did he? Yeah.

Yeah, I knew Scruff. I worked with Scruff. He went and got his real estate and that's what he does. Well, what's the old family guy joke? Real estate is the backup plan for a failed career or something like that. Well, listen, a lot of people who couldn't make a living in radio ended up making a living selling homes. Well, you know what the thing is, Mike?

A lot of things with real estate is you sell yourself, right, you're selling your home, but you're selling yourself to get the client. And I thought, I'm pretty good at selling myself and I like working with people, so let's try this. And I started the course. Something happened with our family. My wife's father got a little bit sick.

We had to come back to Ontario. And as I was taking, you have to take five exams in the real estate course. I did the first exam and that evening, the program director at Zuma Radio messaged me just over Facebook Messenger and said, hey, how's it going? You got a sec. And I knew right then I've got an opportunity here. We can we can we might be able to get back to Ontario. We can do this.

So you're producing over there for a while before you're co-hosting the zoomer. I was a producer. I was producer of the show from March of 2021 till September of 2024. What happened in September 2024? Where the Andy Wilson experience is elevated to zoomer radio, morning Zoom host. Again, it was just, you know, they make a change.

Radio is the most fluid industry ever. Changes happen, whether it be the industry is struggling or not struggling, changes are constant, right? So there was a change and it came from, I was never going for the job. It's funny, a lot of the jobs that I've gotten I've never actually gone for. So you weren't lobbying let's get rid of this person I could do this with Jane. No absolutely not and and I think the the

and you know I think that's no one but no I wasn't lobbying for anything but I had been filling in for her when she had been away on vacation or sick or anything like that I had been filling in for about a year and a half. So sorry, who, who, cause this, this was loud, lauded, lauded, lauded. That's the word I'm looking for. That's a big, that's a $5 word. Depends on where you're going with it. This show was lauded as the only, uh, morning show that was all women. Yes. Yeah. It was the morning Zoom with Sam and Jane. Sam Houston was Sam Houston. There you go. So Sam Houston, Jane Brown.

Yep. And it was lauded as the only morning show in Canada that was hosted by two women. And I don't know if that's true or not, but I think it was certainly was in Toronto, which is, you know, biggest market in Canada. So let's go with it. Yeah. And in day it was great. And that's what, you know, I think that was certainly an attractive piece to the morning show and

you know, Moses did a great job of championing both of them. And then, you know, about a year later, the classical 96.3 morning show, also a Zoomer media property, was also all women, which was really, really cool. Very cool, but you're not a woman, right? No, I'm not. Last time I checked, which was really, really cool. Very cool. But you're not a woman, right? No, I'm not. Last time I checked last time I looked down there, you do not identify as a woman. Okay. So Andy, you now, you obviously, Sam Houston left the morning show. You took over as cohost with Jane Brown. What's it like working with Jane? Again, like I know it's, I sound like a broken record.

I'm just so lucky to work with so many talented people and Jane is being in Toronto radio. She's, you know, she hears that she's going to correct me for sure. She's going to be on Toronto. At least since the eighties, she was downtown Jane Brown on Q107. She worked a little bit with John Derringer. She's worked with Ted Wolleshin.

I don't know if she worked with John Moore, but she worked at 1010 for many, many years. She's been at Zuma radio and working with, uh, with, but she worked at 1010 for many, many years. She's been at Zuma Radio and working with Libby Zneimer and Moses for many, many years. So again, a super talented person in the industry in the biggest market in the country. And I'm fortunate enough to work with them. And her and I had crossed paths a little bit at 1010,

so we kind of knew each other, but- But you had good chemistry. We've had, yeah, I think we have very good chemistry. We have a lot of fun working together. We do enjoy each other's companies. She's a little bit older than me, but we get along great. I love her husband, she loves my wife Kelly. So I'm just, it sounds so-

You're a happy man. I'm very happy and I'm very fortunate. And I know it sounds, again, like a broken record, but I'm very, very lucky. You and Bob Ouellette are the two happiest people in radio. I think gratitude helps, you know, because radio can suck the life right out of you. Radio is really, really difficult. But if you're lucky and you know it, it really, really helps.

And yeah, I'm very, very grateful for the opportunities that I've had, because I totally understand that they don't come along for everybody. And again, we mentioned this off the top, but you're also the program director over there. Yeah. Yeah. So what does that entail? Like, cause you, do you have time to be the program director? No, no, I don't. It's a busy, busy job. Do these programs direct themselves? Are they, is this like, like I'm just trying to understand. So I've been to the Zoomerplex. I have friends who work in the,

the zoomer world. I want to shout out FOTM, Joel Goldberg. I don't know if you've ever crossed paths. I know the name. You know the name. Okay. So, and I feel like Ed Conroy from retro Ontario does a lot of stuff with Moses and the zoomerplex and all these, all these good people there. So you, Andy Wilson, you get to be cohosthost here on Zoomer radio you get to be the program director over there. What's your relationship like with Moses? Like does he know you exist? He does and I've you know I've had a very I don't know maybe

he would say totally different but I think I've had a very... He'd say Andy who? Yeah exactly no I think I've had a very good relationship with Moses because a lot of people as they should, they see Moses as this big giant titan of the industry and he started, yeah, he started much music and Speakers Corner and all these properties and I just treat him as this irregular guy, right? Like I shoot the shit with him and certainly I have all the all the time in the world for Moses and and when he talks I certainly listen but at the same time I like I like shooting the shit and give him giving him a hard time here and there and I've got it I think I've got a pretty good relationship with Moses I think it's a pretty

open relationship with Moses. The thing with him is most of the time if you don't hear from Moses that's a good thing you didn't you know he's not gonna he's not one to say that was awesome I love that break or anything like. He's not one to say, that was awesome, I loved that break or anything like that. He's got too much going on. He doesn't have time for that. So. He's got an empire to run.

Yeah. And how hands on is he nowadays because this privatization move and some people speculated maybe he was going to be less engaged, but from people I talk to, he's as engaged as ever. Uh, he's no more or no less engaged than he was before. Um, you know, Moses comes in a little bit later on in the day. So I don't see him as often as, as people that might be working in the afternoon.

I don't see him, you know, I tried to get, you know, FaceTime with them, you know, once a month or something like that. Yeah. And half the time it's just crossing paths in the hall and we might, you know, shoot the shit for five minutes, but Moses is as hands-on as you want a boss to be, and by that I mean he's not super hands-on. The worst is when you've got a boss of any sort that's just hovering over you like an eagle. That's not Moses at all. He is very, you know, we did an election special for the Ontario election a few weeks back and his stake was, I will leave the breaks and the timing and the personalities of who's doing the breaks up to you. I'm just wondering if we can do just

this one thing and we did that one thing and that's, you know, he didn't care about anything else. He kind of lets talent do their thing. He puts, you know, he puts a lot of faith in the talent. He knows who he's hiring. He's hiring people that know what they're doing, so let them do what they do. Moses is in the same exclusive club as Jeff O'Neill, the O-Dog, in that he has politely declined his Toronto Mic'd invitation. I'm not, listen, depending on how this podcast goes, maybe he comes on, but I know that you've reached out to him. I have not, you know, he knows that I'm doing the

podcast and that's it. I think he heard too many episodes of Gallagher and Gross Save the World, which I was the producer for, but I would just like to remind Moses, if he's listening at home, I was not the host of that show, merely a producer capturing the greatness of once Zoomer radio morning show host John Gallagher and Peter Gross Gross who worked for Moses many a time. Man, go listen to those Gallagher and Gross save the world while you can. Gallagher was a little bit before my time but his picture is still up here and there

on different things. John Gallagher. John Gallagher. Wow, okay, I heard his voice during a Super Bowl commercial. Big fan of Trish Stratus. Yeah, he's, you know what? If somebody dies, heaven forbid, people do die Okay, I heard his voice during a Super Bowl commercial. Big fan of Trish Stratus. He's, you know what, if somebody dies, heaven forbid, people do die, but it'd be a David Bowie or you name it, maybe George Michael. There's a selfie of John Gallagher with that celebrity well before we had smartphones in our pocket with a camera. Like he had disposable cameras

at the ready. And he'll be the first to tell you too. I have his book, Big League Babylon, man. Holy smokes. And he'll be the first to tell you too. Oh, I have his book, a big league Babylon, man. Holy smokes. And I want the version before the lawyers got to it. Okay, Andy, I feel like you've kicked ass. You took names. People can hear you Monday through Friday on Zoomer radio.

And that's 7.40 AM, but is there also an FM presence for Zoomer? Yeah, if you're in the downtown core, it's 96.7. And then obviously, you know, it's 2025. So you can listen to us online through your smart speaker. We have it. You can do that now. Zoomer radio is on now. Just so you know. You can ask Google to play it now. Yeah, it's, you know, we got the Zoomer radio app, so you can listen to us anywhere, literally, as with any radio station in 2025. And you mentioned you're getting up at like 4 30. Yeah, well, four o'clock.

I gave myself a little credit there, four o'clock. Four 10 if you want to be exact. What time are you on the air? Well, we have a newscast at six, but I first speak at six 10. So our first cast. So six 10, and what time do you get out of there? 10 o'clock, so it's a four hour show.

So it's a long, you know, I think a lot more shows are going four hours. They're kind of cutting out the nine o'clock because you know, you can save less bodies to hire. I'm surprised you haven't been replayed on the Simpsons when they had that, uh, with DJ 3000 or whatever the heck it was DJ. Do you remember this automated DJ? Is that the, the next zoomer radio vaguely vaguely it's called AI. Oh, those clowns. Yeah. So watch your back, Andy. I have been for 25 years or so. I've been trying to watch. You're kind of young. You can't, you know, you do have a going back to real estate. Like, like radio is going to die before you do.

I started when I was 19 years old. That was just this recording of Toronto Mike. You started when you were 19 years old. But I just realized you have gifts for me, man. This is the time right now. Do you have gifts for me or am I being presumptuous? What do you mean this is a time right now? Is this part of the podcast? Yeah, because I want to receive the gift before I play us off.

You receive time. To capture the excitement. You kind of block off time to receive gifts. You don't do that when you have guests on Zoomer? Yeah, that's what we do. This is the give Andy Wilson and Jane Brown a gift. So I brought you a Zoomer radio mug. It's a bright yellow mug too. Oh,

which I love. And the same color as the Simpsons. Yes. Zoomer radio. Love it. Okay. I'm gonna hold it up for the camera. I've got you a sweatshirt and the same sweatshirt that I'm wearing, which is, I love this one. It's super comfortable. I wear my Zoomer radio sweatshirt on Fridays. It's more of a chill look. I've got more of a professional look Monday to Thursdays but yeah this is where a suit and tie over there no but you know a nicer sweater and nicer pants I've got like these cargo pants on right now so the play-by-play here is I'm putting on my sweater yeah you're covering over your Great Lakes shirt shout out to Great Lakes okay so I'm gonna wear this for the photo we take after this yeah buddy

okay and oh my god there's more oh, this is the the piece that I distance or shadow. Not great piece. Dara de la resistance all those years in Montreal Yeah, didn't didn't do anything San Remo bakery. So yeah, I mentioned to you that I lived in Mimico I lived at Lakeshore and Royal York for about eight and a half years and Royal York Road San Remo bakery. It was literally a 10 minute walk. And I, again, you don't get a body like this by not having San Remo bakery. So it's Zeppeli season. So I've got you two different kinds of Zeppelis and their number one selling donut is the apple fritter. You live in Mimico, obviously you go to San Remo all the time. No, I don't live in Mimico. I'm pissed at you right now to even suggest this is not Mimico.

Yes, it is. No, it's not. Oh, is it new Toronto? Is that where you're going to go? It's not Mimico. It's new Toronto. There's a, there's a literally a border. You are now in new Toronto, not Mimico.

You're like one of those people in the beach that, you know, you get upset when people call it the beaches. Different. It's, it's like telling me, uh, like if you live by, I don't know, you live in Port Credit and you say, I live in Toronto, you don't, you live in Mississauga. I don't live in Mimico, I live in New Toronto. I live, I grew up in Markham, but whenever we go anywhere, you know, I always say, where'd you grow up? Well, we grew up in Toronto.

Nobody knows where Markham is. I lived in, I live in Toronto. See, I would be a proud Markham guy and I would let, I don't care if you know where Markham is, I know where Markham is. I'd be proudly from Markham. I currently live in New Toronto and when people call it Mimico, I could just let it go close enough, but I don't let it go, Andy.

Okay, I'm gonna take those donuts back now. You can't, you know what? So it's Friday, so Monica's working from home, two floors up, my wife, and when she finds out that I went all the way to San Remo to buy her these donuts, she's gonna be so happy. Happy to help out, Mike. Andy, thanks so much here.

Last question before I play out, you've been amazing, and of course, if you have anything else you wanna add, you can do so. But my last question is, I remember you being a massive Kid Rock fan. Yep. And I will say I also was a Kid Rock fan myself and went and saw Kid Rock live at the Molson Amphitheater as it was called at the time. Kid Rock. I'm curious in 2025, how do you feel about Kid Rock? Two things can be true. I cannot agree with his politics and I can still love his music. And, you know, I'm not going to be picking and choosing whose music I like or whose movies I like. You're not cancelling Kid Rock because he's probably anti-trans.

I'm not cancelling anybody. I'm not donating to the Kid Rock Foundation or anything like that, but I don't know. I'm not as... You're conflicted. I'm not conflicted. I still like his music and I hear it. I'm like, yeah, it's a great song. And then I'm gonna move on and I'm not gonna, you know, you know, fuss and muss about, you know, his politics and whether I agree with this or disagree with that. Some of Kid Rock's music got me through agree with this or disagree with that. Some of Kid Rock's music got me through difficult times, various difficult times in my life, as anybody's music does.

So, and I still love some of those tunes, and I appreciate what they did for me at the time. So, no, I haven't bought a Kid Rock album in a long time, and I haven't gone to a concert of his in a long time, or anything like that. I wouldn't say I'm a huge fan, but. Let me rephrase this then. Are you personally,

I'm not saying you should stop listening to Kid Rock. I throw on fucking Ignition remix from R. Kelly, okay? The remix to Ignition. I can separate the artists from the art, okay? Hot and fresh out the kitchen. Like how do I resist, right? And I will say this on the record, recording still before we wind down,

I think Ball Witteabaw is a fucking, that's a jam right there. It's a banger. Only God knows. My name is Kid. Only God knows why, Cowboy, they were great tunes. I feel like American Badass and some of those cheesy things.

That was a great cover of a Metallica song, great cover. Okay, and even when he merged the, the Leonard Skinner. Oh, Warren Zvon, all summer long. Yeah. So are you as program director adding Ballwit to Ball to the Zoomer radio playlist? Currently we have no kid rock in our library. None, not even all summer long or something, whatever that song is called. What about picture with Cheryl Crowe? No, we don't have it. We might. I think we actually have all summer long. I should correct myself. We do have all summer long, but that's the only Kid Rock song we have.

Zoomer Radio could totally get away with playing the picture duet with Cheryl Crow. Why are you not? Why we should be playing out like with Bawit Dabai. No, you know what? I'm so, because then, because I recorded this video, I'm going to throw it on YouTube and I'll get the fucking, uh, take down notice from YouTube and Spotify because I play kid rock. I used to play lots of music. I still do it, but I do it. Sometimes I leave an episode clean. So at least I know this one will stay online.

That's why Rob Bruce recorded this cover of Rosie and gray from Shakespeare, my butt, uh, by lowest of the Low to try to evade these algorithms and Loves Lois of the Low. Me too buddy. Me too. Does Zoomer play Lois of the Low? No, we don't. Not yet. But Zoomers, we talked off the top. Gen X is now Zoomer. Gen X Toronto people love Shakespeare My Butt. Zoomer does play a lot more 90s stuff by the way. We were playing a lot more 90s, which I love because that's my style of music. So yeah.

Do you play Pearl Jam's black? No, we don't play any Pearl Jam. Maybe a little yellow lead better would work for Zuma. 100% or last kiss. Oh yeah, for sure last kiss. Andy, I love this man. This is a lot of fun. I would love to do this again.

Bring Jane Brown in with me. Sold. Yeah. I recorded that. That's binding. Lauren Honickman says that's a binding contract. I'm not bringing you any more San Remo though. You know what? I demand the San Remo if you're going to be back here. Look, thank you for the San Remo. I'm wearing the sweatshirt. It'll be in the photo we're going to take. I have the lasagna. Make sure you get it before we take the photo.

And thanks for this. You'll be back. And I definitely want Jane Brown on the program. Maybe Jane Brown can bring Moses with her. You're desperate. You're desperate, my friend. I have, I want to talk to Moses. I've been on- As you should, as you should. He's got a lot more stories than I do. Do you know how many City TV episodes at Toronto Mike there are? You know, I had a meeting with Moses the other week and- Bring down the and out in his office, right, is a bunch of posters of things that he's worked on over the years. And he's got a picture of, do you remember the late at night on City TV, like after midnight, he would have his baby blue two or his baby blue movies?

And they were basically like softcore porn. I am meeting with him recently, I saw that picture. And as I was walking out the door, I pointed the picture and I said, you know, I spent many a Friday and Saturday night watching those movies just saying. I thought he had a giant poster of Peter Gross. He might. The following program contains adult themes,

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