Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Bedouin Soundclash: Toronto Mike'd #1082

Episode Date: July 13, 2022

In this 1082nd episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike chats with Jay Malinowski and Eon Sinclair from Bedouin Soundclash about the band's origins, their radio hits, and what they're up to now. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Canna Cabana, StickerYou, Ridley Funeral Home and Duer Pants and Shorts.

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Guaranteed. Over 100 stores across the country. Learn more at cannacabana.com. This week, making their Toronto mic debuts, are Jay Malinowski and Eon Sinclair from Bedouin Sound Clash. Welcome, guys. Thanks for having us. We'll start with you, Jay.

Just geographically speaking Whereabouts are you in the world right now? I'm in Victoria, BC Right now What's it like there? What's the weather like there at this time of year? It's gorgeous, right? It is gorgeous today

It's really sunny today It's been kind of cool this whole summer But usually it's nice But yeah, today's nice. It's like 21 degrees. You know, you can't go wrong with 21 degrees. Eon, you're a little closer to the TMDS studio here. Whereabouts are you today?

I'm in Pickering, out in Durham region. So yeah, not too far from the studio, which I know is in Etobicoke. So I'm sure our weather's pretty similar. It's a little bit overcast today, but it's not too bad. It's nice out there. I went for a bike ride at lunch and it was really nice, but it did look, when I wrapped it up, I looked at the sky and it looked like it wanted to rain, but I don't know if that ever happened. Did it ever rain today? I haven't seen any rain yet. I don't know if it's going to come, but we'll see. We'll see what happens. But yeah, not bad out there.

Well, thanks for joining me remotely. I'm looking forward to this. Bedouin Sound Clash. We're going to hear some older tunes, some newer tunes, some inspiring tunes. Jay, you know, you're in BC now. I know that you grew up in Vancouver, but I saw you were born in Montreal. And this Toronto band, Bedouinin Soundclash forms in Kingston. So like that's all over the place.

Like maybe can I get an origin story? How did Bedouin Soundclash come to be? Sure. Yeah. My, I was born in Montreal, moved to my parents, but I left when I was like six months old.

So parents moved to Southwest to Vancouver i left when i was like six months old so parents moved to southwest to vancouver they're from toronto um and then uh fast forward went to university in kingston and we went to we went to the queens and eon and i met more or less i think we met on our first day but we started the band within like the first month of meeting each other and we were like we become friends we're trading records and uh the rest was history in terms of the geographical thing we then a lot of people from montreal thought we were from montreal well we were we had a we had we're on stomp records in the beginning a montreal great montreal label uh scott punk label Our management was in Montreal. And so we kind of had this like pull.

Once we graduated, do we go to Montreal or do we move to Toronto? And we decided on Toronto because we just felt that was where our home was. And really it is for the band. I just lived in Toronto for 10, 15 years, like all my 20s, more or less, unless we were touring, unless I was living out of a suitcase. I had apartments in Toronto. So I lived in Kensington Market. I consider us, we are a Toronto band.

Like there's no... Now, and your parents, Jay, you said your parents were from Toronto? Yeah. My dad grew up on the mean streets of Bathurst and Wellington when it was still the Russian Polak Ukrainian ghetto. It was all homes. Let me put that better. He was born in 1938.

So he remembers the tallest building in Toronto being – he actually told me as a kid he used to go to uh the royal york hotel and stare at it and go my god i can't believe they built a building that big isn't that now it's like this little dwarf yeah it's wild for us you know because i was born and raised in toronto as well and when you think that that was the tallest building because it's sort of a shrimp now like it's sort of like oh yeah it looks like it looks looks like they got to do something they got taller buildings in pickering right eon oh 100 yeah yeah they're looks like they got to do something. They got taller buildings in Pickering, right, Eon? Oh, 100%.

Yeah, yeah, they're building them right now, to be honest. So, Eon, okay, so we learned Jay, you know, he's got that Montreal birth, but very young, he's in Vancouver, and then he goes to school in Kingston. He meets you, and he ends up in Toronto, and then now he's at West again. But where are you from? You were at Queens, but are you from Kingston? No, I'm definitely not from Kingston, though. It was a fun place to be for university.

And it was a great place to meet Jay and get this band going. I'm actually born in Toronto as well. Born downtown. Until I was about four years old, we lived kind of in the Flemington Park area. So like Don um up that area and then uh after that time my parents were able to find better employment out in the burbs so they moved out to pickering and that's basically where i grew up um i'm placed in toronto and right now i'm actually in pickering doing this interview so yeah okay so you're kind of back home full

circle like you said there. Okay, cool. Now I'm going to play a jam that's not by Bedouin Sound Clash, but I think this might get us back to that time and maybe help us understand the name of the band and everything. So just let's give this a few moments here.

Again, not a Bedouin Sound Clash jam, but it all makes sense in a moment. so so begging for me to talk over it anyways but do you guys know what i'm playing here i'm feeling this is bedali yeah i'm presuming it's bedali yeah yeah i know i know the town like i'm saying it's Honeychild singing, right? Yeah, this is Suspicions. I'm going to keep this in the background and maybe help us understand

where does this name Bedouin Sound Clash come from? That record, this is a Bedouin record called Bedouin Sound Clash. I'll just put this out there. The cover of this record, too, kind of always looks to me like King Brit, who produced our record. He's from Philly. He's a house DJ, and he produced our record in, like, 2010.

Anyways, that's just a side note. Just sort of splitting ahead in timelines and multiverses oh no i love doing that so yeah go on don't forget to come back this is this is something that i just have have pontificated about in my life the last couple but eon do you agree with that analysis it's the same king brit like 97 with the pro and everything. So, Badawi, okay, so this record, Badawi, is an Israeli dub artist living in New York,

put out a record called Bedouin Sound Clash. Now, I'd heard about this record, and on really, like, you know, through blogs, this is like night, they're like late nineties. So these blogs, like there was like an ambient dub, direct dub blog that I used to check. Anyways, I ordered this record three times at my local record shop and I could not get it. I think there's this record store in Vancouver called basics that used to exist in Gastown. So it became this kind of like mysterious record to me. And when I finally got my hands on it, I was, I remember I ordered,

I ordered the CD and I got the CD. And I had that in my final year of high school. And I just loved the name Bedouin Sound Clash. I thought it was such a really cool name. When fast forward, when we first started playing in university, we had a hand, like the instrumentation we were using was sort of similar. And I said, oh, this sounds like Bedouin Sound Clash. And the name kind of stuck. We had a show like that later that week, I think. I don't know. And we just said what's called better

one sound flash not thinking anything of it we thought okay well yeah i mean how many shows are we getting like you know it's just like hey we're having fun this isn't like a forever thing um yeah and then it was it's stuck yeah well well not the name like then we did i mean not that i didn't think we were going to be come of uh this was going to be our career path but um i didn't know really that we you know like i like and i'm saying this because later on we we actually talked with bedawi who was kind of like hey man like you guys you know i made this project called bedouin sound classroom like hey look we're huge fans of that project um and it was it was seriously out of like respect and homage to the project and we love that and we hope that we're directing attention towards the um towards your record as well which is a a great record. Uh, but I think he was kind of like, why did you guys do that?

Okay. Well, okay. Well, right now, as we speak, the fact that you're called Bedouin Sound Clash resulted in me playing that and raising awareness.

Like that just happened, man. So yeah, yeah, yeah. It only took a few decades, but here we go. And I always say,

yeah. And I mean, like there are a lot of bands and that to me is always like, I was like, well, there's tons of bands that are named after songs, after albums, you know, so that's how we thought about it.

I feel Gob Smack, I think, is named after an Alice in Chains song. Like, there's all these bands that are kind of named after songs. So, Eon, I'm just curious to bring us back to that time in Kingston when you were at Queen's University. Like, at first, this was just shits and giggles? Like, what was Bedouin Sound Clash at first? I mean, I wouldn't say, it wasn't necessarily that, but it was definitely, like, I think,

a really, like, to me, it was actually, like, like, a really unexpected, amazing extracurricular activity that allowed me to spend time with like friends and had potential so it was kind of like you know where a lot of other friends maybe were like you know it's not like we didn't party or didn't do other things but it was like right where some other friends I think were doing a lot of that we also carved out time to kind of write and play and it was enjoyable it was like you know i think i think it brought you know the members of the band at that time together in a way um we were all away

from home we're all you know in this new place and um the music was was kind of like exciting you know so um yeah yeah i'd say that do you want to name check the members of the band at this time uh just i know we're talking to two of you but yeah who else yeah sure so so i mean it really started with jay and myself you know jay uh playing some guitar and then coming over to my room which was literally across the hall when i was playing some bass and then i was starting to jam and you know jay kind of having some some ideas that we worked on and then he was in fine arts with uh another friend uh that he had met earlier in that, I guess, last week, really, named Brett Dunlop, who happened to, during Frosh Week, walk down the street and buy a djembe. And so after we kind of developed a couple of ideas, I think maybe this guy might be able to sit in with us. And so Brett came and sat in

with us. And then we recorded some of the stuff that we had done. This is a couple of weeks later and we recorded on Jay's four track. And Brett kind of got to take that over to his dorm, which was across campus. And he happened to live next door to a guy named Pat Pangeli, who had drums and was a drummer and he heard the tape and said, hey, this is pretty cool. Can I play with you guys? And after, I don't know, a little bit of coaxing

for a couple of weeks, we kind of agreed to do it and that was the original incarnation of the band, The Four of Us. Okay, so I have a note. I have a few notes I'll be sprinkling throughout this conversation, but Cambrio wanted to know,

is your former drummer a lawyer and does he represent you is he a lawyer yes he is does he represent who asked that question he goes by the handle cambrio that's awesome cam cam or ham cam as in cameron oh yeah i know i know a ham I know a hambrio Oh nice nice nice But anyways No uh Yeah go Sir do you want to You want to field this one Eon?

Sure sure So yes Patrick Pangeli Is a lawyer At present day Um And does he represent us? No he does not I don't know if he would

He might I don't know We've never been in that position But you know In fact we find ourselves ourselves adversarial meeting each other in courtrooms all across Canada. That's wild. Okay, so I want to know here,

I'm going to play a song in a moment, which everyone listening knows, okay? Because if you had a pulse in this country back in the summer of 2005, you know this song. But my question is, so you mentioned the four-track recordings and and stuff but is sounding a mosaic is that the first time that you you record in like an actual studio no okay oh i don't know that that's kind of a debatable question it wasn't the first time we recorded a record but it was kind of the first real studio

because the other studio was kind of like a basement oh yeah you're gonna fire so it wasn't really like a proper studio but although i will say this that you know the guy that we recorded with his name was jan turny i think he had done work with what was it six pence none of the richer or something so he had he didn't have one plaque on the wall and kiss me exactly but but But he basically had just like a small it wasn't really like a mixing desk. Well, don't judge it for being in a basement because DJ Ron Nelson had his basement studio in the Dream Warriors recorded.

Oh, Nelson's the man. Yeah, I love him. Yeah, man. I love him too. And I'm in a basement studio right now and we're making magic right now. I apologize. I should take that back. I guess no. I'll say no. So maybe I'll play the song and then we'll talk about it, okay? Because

we can't have Bedouin Sound Clash on Toronto Mic without talking about this jam. So buckle up. This is one of yours. Let's listen. I'm on the rocky road, heading down off the mountain slope And as my steps echo,, louder than before Another day is done Say goodbye to the setting sun See what I found, turn back to the ground Just like before

And hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey Hey, beautiful day Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey Hey, beautiful day Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey A beautiful day When the night Feels my soul I'll be home

I'll be home Into the undergrowth Twist and turn on our lonely road When the night feels my song Okay, let's talk about this. Who wrote this song? Yeah, so, yeah, I remember writing it in my third year at university.

Actually, and I thought this was going to be the last song. I thought, well, we're graduating soon. I remember walking down the street at night and thinking, this is going to be the last song, maybe the last song. We were going into the studio, and usually before, we're going into another studio. And it was in Montreal. It was like, and Eon's right.

It was the first kind of real, like, okay, we gotta prepare. And usually when that happens, like, there's like, I've heard this happens with a lot of other bands too, that you kind of have a, you go, okay, I'm gonna throw a few Hail Marys, because we're going to, so it's like last minute, I'm like, well, maybe this is it, right?

So I thought of this song as the final closer to the album because at that time we had a lot of like faster like sort of police songs like jungle drum and bass songs and this one was more like um i was just you know it was like i definitely was was inspired by a lot of like lady smith black bombazo i've, you know, I think it's from singing hymns when I was growing up. Like as a kid at school we sang hymns. I just love I love hymns. And I always have. I always try to

I always seem to go back to like those kinds of four part, three part harmonies. So with this one, we actually never played it live. It was like, and then, but I remember so it was just sort of an album track. It slowly migrated from being what I thought was the final track of the album.

Then the label said, no, let's put it first. It's the first track on the album. But it wasn't really, there wasn't really much traction to it. It came out, no one really noticed it. It was actually a DJ in the in in the uk mike davies who ran a uh this show called the lockup on radio one on the bbc and he started playing it and that is it first picked up in england and then the edge and and uh people in canada started like picking up on it but it was yeah and that was maybe a year and a half after the record had come out

and we didn't know record had come out and we didn't know how to play it really we never really played it we were like like oh this song is really popular you know like we have to figure out how to play it uh so that's quite the story because i wouldn't have guessed that because i i will say at this time and i have my timelines right this is this was a hit like this was in the summer of 05 right yeah in canada it was 05 it's a strange timeline because it's 05 in canada and then it and then it was like 05 a bit it was 05 in the uk too but then it recharted in 06 in the uk again like so it's hard for us like it seems like to me it was like oh is that in summer of 05 or 06 but ed started

playing the mess out of this in the summer of 05 am i right that's true okay so in this so ian i'm dying to know what you thought when you first heard that if you had any idea what you were on to here but i will just tell you my experience was i was listening in 05 i was still listening to a lot of terrestrial radio that's how long ago we're going back gentlemen but i was listening 102.1 was my station so we're pre-indie that was we're only place in the market where i could hear uh you know alt rock or new rock or whatever and that was played all the time and you couldn't help but sing along to that song like it really did feel like that song was everywhere that's what we heard you know it definitely was and like you know but but what was interesting

was when all that stuff started like the traction started to happen with the edge in toronto yeah um like dave bookman you know rest in peace now um he was he was amazing at you know pushing it and playing it during his segment and getting feedback and keeping it going and that helped it grow but when it started to really like gain a ton of traction we were actually away because we had um uh through stop records the year before we got to play the warp tour and kind of earn the earn the position to do the whole tour so we were on the work tour in the states it was our first us tour nobody knows who we are we don't even know how to tour properly, really. We're like, you know, playing to basically the bands on tour and then calling home and finding out that, oh, like the songs people are requesting.

Oh, it's on the chart. Oh, the video is on there. So by the time we got to the Barry Warped Tour date that summer, they put us on like a bigger stage and like our merch tent was swarmed. And we were just like, wow has not been our experience playing thus far let's just put it that way it just blew up who was on that band's tour? Follow Boy, My Chemical Romance

it was the year it was the year that it was the year that it was the year that it was the year that Fall Out Boy was breaking and My Chemical Romance was breaking. And yeah, so I remember we yeah, I don't know if we could

I'm not going to hate that chance. I don't know if the chance't know if the transplants were breaking to the point of like the fallout boy level but no I remember the one song we existed in different scenes can I ask you

was it Diamonds and Guns was that the big song it was actually next to your jam that was the other one. Exactly. And then the foreshadowing because later on we'll come full circle to the Trance Moms with the Interrupters. So I'm just dropping little jams. I love it, man.

I didn't realize. I thought you were saying that breadcrumbs. The method to the madness. Right. I love it. Okay. Well, I got more questions. One is that okay, so when you're recording this this is where you meet up with Daryl and Jennifer right?

that was before Daryl was recorded their first real album sounding mosaic which has When the Night Feels My Song on it so we worked with Daryl in 2003 we recorded this album in Montreal in April of 2003.

Yeah, it's funny that delay, right? That delay from recording to geeks like me singing it in our cars and stuff. Like, that's quite a... Yeah. Yeah. But did Daryl, when Daryl heard that jam, like, I mean, for those who don heard that, when Daryl heard that jam, like, uh, like,

I mean, for those who don't know, he's a bad brains. Like, um, I just wondered like if you had any inkling of what might happen in 05. Daryl, I feel like they're like,

well, firstly he wanted to work with us, which was like, no, there was no reason like that. You know, he saw something in us that we, you know,

uh, I mean, we just, I, I, i now look back on like i'm gonna go kind of around this for a second he i now look back on things and kind of amazement because i see that they aren't just like when i was younger i always thought things are just a given like yeah yeah of course we're gonna do a record with daryl from bad brains but now that i look i I'm like, it was pretty amazing. Like we had nothing when we were just young kids, not really much to offer. And he was, he heard, yeah, he heard the music and he's like, yeah, I want to work with these guys. And I think what attracted him most was that the way we were doing, he's a real like dub heavy, more like heavy hardcore reggae, like listener, right? Like he likes like that i mean

he i was talking about the phone the other day and he's like you know his wheelhouse is like two chords dubbed out like bill laswell like you know kind of more grindy kind of i think he was attracted to that i think he if i i don't know what he thought of this but i remember usually he'd always like he like liked the he kept calling remember usually he'd always like, he like, like the, he kept calling, what did he call it? He kept, I feel like these songs, they're sort of like, you'd be like, yeah, they're cool. Like he didn't, but he was really more into like when we would get really rhythmic, like, and so these songs, I don't know. I mean, he'd kind of be like, yo, like,

for this one, he'd always be like, you sound like, he, he always said I sounded like Elvis for some reason he's like you know you remind me of Elvis kid and then he which I was like I didn't think I sounded like Elvis Glenn Frey no no no not Glenn Frey

it was Don yeah the guy from the Eagles Don Henley I hear it man you sound like don henley kid yeah i hear the texture yeah so but what did i think daryl i don't know i mean he you know like i think he anyways regardless i like that's him you can hear him like we did this the one thing that we did do is like we did this sort of like gang uh percussion track where all of us sat in the in the in the main room and and just played

on like parts of the drum kit like on the and then you can hear daryl being like saying like oh like you can hear him talking as this like before the bass comes in and stuff so um there's a i do remember i vividly remember recording this song and I really remember it. It's one of those moments where you go, wow, this song has a life of its own. When I could, once I heard all the harmony parts, there was something happening. Right. It happens when you have like a certain song that you like,

it happens only with a certain, a few songs I've ever been a part of where it you're like, this thing's bigger than what we intended. Jay true. but how close did you come for like people not picking up on that like like it sounds like it yeah uk that dj in the uk has to start spinning it and it kind of resuscitates it like why didn't edge jump on this right away go ahead oh yeah um because i think if you said what we are to anyone, and even now in Canada, when you think about it,

like, you know, like the UK has its own tradition with, with like the specials and the clash and, you know, Canada, especially at that time too, Canada wasn't exactly known for anything beyond,

like even within Canada, it was a very, it was very much a like, a folk tradition was really strong. The rock and indie stuff was really strong um but the anything outside of that was a little was just like a little more you know what so i'm glad you brought this up i was trying to think of a like a comparable and the only the best i could do here's the best i can do ready big sugar okay because big sugar was a rock band but there was that reggae influence and it was you know yeah well and and and gordy johnson also was like he he was like when he came through

kingston and saw us play he opened for them and he he was like loved us he was like he was the first person other than daryl who made us believe that we could, you know, that we actually were a band, a real band, you know, as opposed to guys in the basement. So. For sure. What were you going to say there, Ian? No, nothing, nothing really. No, I was just going to say, yeah, like exactly sugar for sure. I think exemplifies kind of what we always feel Canadian music can be because, you know, as Jay said it for a long time,

it was just like the folk and the indie thing and you know for us we're like i know there's a there's so many different cultural traditions here that anyone can access right um putting them together makes sense and that's what we've done and that's kind of what big sugar does too so yeah totally i like it when yes wait i like it when you mash up different genres, but I know it's tougher to market, I guess. I know the marketing machine likes you to fit into a box, right? It's like, conform and be this. Don't be this hodgepodge of different genres and influences, right? It can be tough to be that kind of creative and unbound.

Yeah. I would think. Yeah, no, I mean, that is is true we did always have that issue um and going and in talking about chance like you know what what had what what like these like you give me a bit more details that mike davies this d, was from California, and so he knew of our band just through our label, I think, in L.A., Side One Dummy. He played the song once. I saw that we'd been played on this show, and I think at the time the lockup played between maybe 9.30 and 12.30 a.m.

So I saw that we'd been played. I was in London, and and i called and i said hey i emailed him and i said because i was like young and that's like i would just be like hey i'm gonna email him and i'm gonna be like hey i'm in london i'll come and play on your show and he said yeah come on down so i did that and i um i'd met one of the guys from the mescaleros scott shields uh in at a show in Hamilton who the Mescaleros who played with Joe Strummer of course it was my hero and so I said oh it's a punk show I'm gonna bring Scott Shields and he came with me and we played and because of that moment I feel like well not because of that moment maybe but what ended up happening was they

were looking for they had a bigger meeting within within radio one this is what i've been told so a bigger meeting with within radio one and they're like we need to find some different stuff to play on on the on joe wiley show which is like you know if you're played there you're like being a-listed so and they put forward they put forward our name and they said sure let's let's try it. And it really is that like when you're talking about like chance, like, yeah, it was like chance, you know? So, and how much of it, you know, I, I think I, I, I do believe in like accommodation about you're, you're prepared to meet with chance, you know? So. Well, if the song sucked, chance wasn't going to help you.

Yeah. And, and, and you can write, and that's the other, the other side of that is you can have wonderful, you could be right, you could have a full career of wonderful songs. Right. And not,

and not see that. So I've been, maybe like Nick, you could be like, you know. Oh yeah. I know you're thinking of Drake,

Nick Drake, like when, when you, I knew you were going to say that because Pink Moon doesn't become massive until he after he dies in volkswagen volkswagen yeah okay on that note this is what a brilliant segue jay if you ever want to co-host toronto mic'd with me let me know because i gotta

ask you because my my opinion on this subject has evolved through the years which i will share in a moment but you know where i'm going of this is which is that yeah at some point your song becomes the zeller's song oh yeah i know and let me tell you something about this this is really i love it you i i forgot about the zeller's thing i'll never forget go ahead this is how like the edge the edge is one thing yeah but zeller's is really the thing that sold it like because all of a sudden you had moms in minivans and at our show like and still to this day like we have moms come up to us be like my kid loves it or when i was when i was pregnant my baby kicked to when the night feels my song right that summer that's all we heard it was like a baby song which when we were that age we're like that's weird but now i'm like as i have a son

so i'm like oh that's really cool now i want to hear yeah please continue i'm sorry for interrupting okay with zeller's um i remember it was a big thing because we were you know we didn't have any money i was and they they offered like a lot of what was a lot of money to us at the time you can tell me like statute of limitations and all that. What are we talking here? Like, so it wasn't that it might not seem like that. Well, I know now to like $30,000,

which to see that's 22 kids. That's a lot of money for a band like you at that point in your careers, $30,000 might as well be $3 million. It was, it was enough to be like, we might be able to do this. And then my mom, who is like very,

uh, you know, she grew up, she grew up in Toronto going to both Beatles shows, but then in the sixties, like, you know, became very much like, you know,

a Dylan, like Neil Young fan. She thought she comes from the tradition of like, that's selling out. You don't put your songs in, in commercial. That's Neil Young's fault. It's all his fault.

Cause I was feeling the same way because this notes for you. And he would say, ain't singing for Pepsi, ain't singing for Coke. That's Neil Young's fault. It's all his fault because I was feeling the same way because this note's for you and he would say, ain't singing for Pepsi, ain't singing for Coke. But that's easy for Neil Young to say. He sold millions of albums, right? Decades of himself for career first. And it's funny because

actually on this point, our agent said to us at times, you know, like the's funny because actually this, on this point, like, so it was this, our agent said to us at the time, he's like, you know, like the Vigotanias did the commercial before you, and we just played a show with them with Ben Harper. The Vigotanias are a great folk band from Vancouver, I think. I'm not sure. So, you know, a lot of people had put their songs in this, but nothing like what happened to us happened to them it was like

our song and it was like it was like catnip or something to the people who were their target demo because it just like blew up and you're hearing it in like ronas and like whatever so um but from my perspective i was like we need the money and also the exposure we don't have like there's no like there's we don't have folk festivals that are help you know like neil every time and neil young there's no laneway for what we're doing and and i saw someone like moby at that time just and he was making great music and all he did was put it in car commercials and i've come came from a place like i didn't see i personally found this like indie attitude. Like if you make the music for the right reasons, it can't really be changed by the context that you put it in within reason.

Right. Like it depends on what kind of commercial, but I do. But then after that, there were a lot of writers who use that as a, as a, as a, as a way to take a shot at us. uh you know luckily that they're luckily probably well first of all there's no jobs in that anymore but also um that attitude has completely changed like kids are for better or for worse that is not a thing anymore to do so well listen at the time i have to admit like i felt like oh man like this is the zeller song now like what a bunch of sellouts right but as i matured and i learned more and i had conversations like this is the zeller song now like what a bunch of sellouts right but as i

matured and i learned more and i had conversations like this and you learn basically like like whatever you have to do to make enough money to keep creating art like it's you know at some point this the system is rigged against you guys so if you can get 30 000 from a department store uh then good good good do it now now in hindsight hindsight, the amount of airplane awareness that that song gave Zellers, you got fucked, right? Like 30,000 bucks. You get fucked. Yeah, I know. Look at how good Zellers is doing now. You know, we actually put them out of business that's right zed's dead

baby oh yeah you put them out of business and also go ahead no i was just remembering it's funny i'm remembering like when you're young you never let like like you know like some writer at like now magazine or something like that they would it was like taking shots but zellers watch out here comes this i think yeah like the zellers band um and now it's funny because like i actually would feel feel good about having to explain what zellers was to certain people because uh no one knows what it was yeah my what happened to my club zed points i was doing pretty well there but i don't know if they're useless now or not. But yeah, us of a certain age remember fondly Zellers, of course.

But yeah, you guys killed Zellers. Okay, so here's a fact. I'm going to just drop it before we move on. I realize I could do an hour on that one song, but this is from Wikipedia, so you guys can tell me if this is true or not. According to Wikipedia, hour on that one song but uh this is from wikipedia so you guys can tell me if this is true or not according to wikipedia when the night feels my song is was the second the second most played track on canadian radio they said of 20 2005 does that sound right to you like number two yeah okay we i could tell you the songs it's either the song that either beat us

with a photograph yeah or uh green days um a non-american idiot wake me up when september ends yeah yeah exactly okay and it was also the theme for cbc kids also of course uh you know i had like five years yeah i had kids back then so i still have kids i guess it's weird how you weren't but i i was a father in 2006 and uh and then i didn't i didn't know about this but during i was looking into it and apparently t-mobile in the uk was using it uh also in 06 so okay did you guys yeah did you remember... Here's a quick, another Cambrio question, actually. But do you remember playing the Masonic Lodge in Mississauga?

He says he saw you at the Masonic Lodge. Do you remember this at all? Yeah. He wants to know, what are your favorite small venues to play? So, the answer first of all yes i do remember sonic lodge in mississauga where is it i know mississauga pretty well where's the streets like the streets okay yeah i feel yeah all right shout out to billy talent then like yeah like yeah i think i think that i'm assuming is that what he's talking about? I can't remember that show. I think it was like Full Blast.

Yeah, it was like, I'm picturing like somehow Monin was involved. Monin and Full Blast, and yeah, that's what I'm thinking, if that's what he's thinking. But no, maybe we played there again, our own, like a Dine Alone. Sounds like a real

Joel Carrier thing. Okay, so Small Menus? sounds like a real sounds like a real jewel carrier thing okay so small venues what's our favorite small venue to play don't all answer at once don't answer all at once he's got the tough questions. That is actually a tough question.

Yeah, I'm trying to think now. Okay, so my, like, we used to play, like, in terms of, like, memorable small shows, we used to play the Queen's Pub. That was, like, we got a monthly gig at the queen's pub which is probably like they really were supposed to fit 60 people in it but by the time we finished out it would have like 300 400 you know like there'd be a lineup um and we'd do like three sets i remember that that was so exciting to play that place. And we just thought, we can't believe it. Like we can like, you know,

how many people are showing up. And it was that, that, that was, I mean, everything about it was terrible. We were like kitty corner to a bar that was like 10 feet from the stage. And there was like the sound system. I mean, there was no sound system. I mean, it was everything everything everything about it was terrible from from a perspective of like later on yeah but they were the most i've you know like exciting shows right yeah um just because of how it made me yeah like how i felt about you know for me so yeah that was those i guess that could be my answer for Cambrio

Cambrio what was that spot I can't remember the name now what was the spot was it 477 what was the spot where we played the Snackers and stuff like that the gay club

yeah on Princess Street I think it was 477 it was a number and it was like we did a couple shows not too many but those shows were also like really like tight small fun and like i remember kind of like yeah the slackers playing with the slackers it was a band that we love uh getting their kind of you know um co-sign during that time was kind of fun too and like you know another vote of confidence for us too so amazing i mean and let's talk briefly here about bigger shows you guys toured with no doubt so uh any stories from that like how was that

it's great yeah eon says it was great we'll move on then no it was great okay that was a great I mean that was a dream for us like you know those guys in terms of like bridging between a lot of our interests like 80s music, dancehall, reggae

ska, punk and then doing what they've done what they did with their career and that was amazing and being around seeing Gwen Stefani perform every night was was was really pretty pretty amazing actually like she is a fantastic performer with like she is she on stage her like she she brings like warmth to to a stadium size venue And that's a real skill. So I would watch it cause I, you know, yeah, I admired that a lot.

It was cool to see them play. So before we get you to street gospels and don't wait, we won't spend this much time on everything here, just a little heavy. And then we get six, six hours later, you guys are like, Oh, we done. Oh my God. Are we, we only have 10 minutes left. It really depends on you. Like, do you have, you guys are like, are we done yet? Oh my God, we only have 10 minutes left? It really depends on you. Do you have to go in 10 minutes? No, I'm just shocked that I've been talking for 50 minutes. Well, that's how it works here.

Everybody, you know, oh, you just spent 90 minutes. It's like, I thought that was like 15 minutes. That's how it works. That's how you have a good combo. You're an artist. It's only episode 1,000. What is this? 1,082.

So I've done it a few times. But I want to talk street gospel. I'll just let you know. Originally, I was going to play some of, I wanted to play a song I always love from you guys. Walls Fall Down. And then I'm not sure, you know, do you want me to play a bit of that? Or do you want me to just tell you I love it? Tell us you love it.

Okay. Love it. Great jam. People, go find it. Walls Fall Down. But let's talk about the follow-up so you have you know the success uh with that you know all that airplay and all the attention and all those uh zed sellers dollars what do you call that again uh zed box or whatever

i feel like club zed club club zed points whatever club zed points that's what it was look at the club It was a club. It was a club. Yeah, exclusive. They didn't just let anybody in that club. No, no, no, no. Members only. Right, members only for sure.

I still remember that big teddy bear. Zeddy, I think his name was. But again, Zed's dead, baby. Okay, Street Gospels. I'm going to play a bit of a song that was a big radio hit for you guys off Street Gospels, and then I have a few questions about this one, but let's listen. Okay, so I'm not playing Walls Fall Down.

I'm going to play instead St. Andrews. Speak the truth and speak it ever. Cause it what it will. Cause he who hides the wrong he did, did the wrong thing still. Something's still Come back sweet St. Ed Come love me again, cause I broke again You know that he's broke again, sir You're just a broken man, you're just a broken man, sir And now I'm Satan Drew I'll buy it back from you But you ain't no lover, you ain't no lover

No, no, you're just a pusher, pusher You're just another pusher You're just a pusher You're a pusher, pusher And I've been down to see it and true To pay for my sins on you Love, come save me Love, come save me soon Now I've sung midnight So gentlemen, when you're in the studio to record the follow-up,

I'm always curious, is there pressure? Like we need hits? Like how does it work when you're in that studio? Well, unfortunately, like fortunately for us, we like because there was this huge delay in When the Night Kills, my song, we actually had gone into the studio before that broke, recorded all of this music actually except for the st andrews we recorded uh in woodstock with with daryl but yeah we had all these yeah like we had all these songs ready to go and then we were holding this record uh for

like a year and a half while we toured. So we kind of had it in the bag. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. And this was, at least on edge 102.1,

this went to number one on the, on that station for sure. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I don't even know. You know, I don't know.

Yeah. That's awesome. I didn't know that. I think it did. Yeah, that's awesome. I didn't know that. I think it did, yeah. Yeah, and this comes out, I guess. Oh, sorry, I did. No, you're going to take my word for it. Citation needed, as Wikipedia would tell you.

Citation needed. Okay, so this record comes out, Street Gospels, comes out in summer of 07, I guess late August, August 21st, 2007. I would be remiss if I didn't tell everybody that you guys did win the Juno Award for New Group of the Year,

which I believe is a kiss of death. My condolences. No. Well deserved. And that When the Night Feels My Song was also nominated

for Song of the Year. I guess you didn't win because it says nominated. Do you remember what beat you? Michael Buble.? Michael Buble. Michael Buble, yeah. Oh, fuck that guy. Come on. Yeah, I know.

No one's ever fucking heard of him again. What a jerk. He sold out too. He sold out too, right? You know? The Bublies? Yeah. Yeah. Where was the hate for him on that? You ahead of the curve again my even me like my even me believe it or not the great toronto mike uh my uh my my thought on it initially was

a bit like what i was brainwashed by neil young to think that no artist could have their song tied to a corporation or a brand like no way but again neil young had sold millions of albums okay so he had this you know where a band like you i say you know get what you can get for your art man i was told i completely evolved my thinking on uh you guys with zellers but we're going backwards now okay so saint andrews no i yeah go ahead no i was gonna rip on on baby boomers for a second do it do it they deserve it they deserve it i actually don't you know what i don't i i actually i don't like the whole boomer thing i but i i do think that it we it's the privilege from which you can say certain things that sometimes goes unnoticed right so like yeah it must have been great when the record industry was doing

super well and there's tons of money yeah the man who's you know the bulk of his career was pre-internet i don't think i think he's got to sit this out i think it's a whole different area okay just going on it's like what my favorite thing was him uh what was it if they if they played joe rogan on spotify Young's like, I'm out. And everyone's like, okay. Okay. He peaced out on that one. The strange thing was, I would get the odd note,

like, are you going to follow Neil Young and pull your podcast from Spotify? I had the odd note at the time, and I was thinking, leave me out of this. Yeah, I guess you have to be careful do you have to yeah like that's the I mean you can you can listen to me on Spotify uh I don't you know Spotify doesn't give me any money but apparently they don't give artists like you any money either I've had I mean I can't tell you why don't you who do I have on the star stars okay so i had on torquil campbell from stars and he went off on the whole streaming system but like do you see any money

yeah you do see money it's just that maybe it could be done differently like i mean for example you know one thing i thought an idea that i thought might be it was a good idea was that instead of you you know spending 10 90 10 bucks a month and you know a lot of your money is going towards say like some of the biggest selling artists but you only listen to stars right then maybe there's a way that your money actually goes to subsidize the amount of stars albums you're listening to as opposed to uh taylor swift's album you know because on on aggregate like you know i think that's i don't and i'm not i'm no expert on this so um but you know it's new technology and that's kind of what happens in music so and this is all a reaction

to the fact that we were just stealing it from napster like we were literally just i mean you know yeah so it's like okay these idiots like mike are just gonna steal this the radio singles they're not gonna cough up the uh 15 bucks for the cd they're gonna steal the radio singles they want to hear so we need to compete with that. And I guess then you have iTunes 99 Cent, a song which to me sounds better than the current state, which is every song in the history of

the world for $10 a month. And Bedouin Sound Clash can share that with the Beatles and Drake. Exactly. But you know it's great. So there's the incentive, right? First of all, it's that, you know, the music industry is based on technology

and they didn't keep up with technology. And then for like a brief period, they were fucked. Yeah. Right? Like, labels were fucked. Right. And then they realized like,

now they're making as much, if not more money because on aggregate, they've got this huge back catalog. So there's no incentive to like, you know, say like get hey this kid has tons of followers or is like getting tons of traction on like on like one song so let's get that part of our catalog but there's no incentive to like build right and if we go to someone like neil young there's no like it's it's we're not in an era where there's like a david geffen who's like hey i'm going to build you over uh a stable of artists from joni mitchell and leon to whoever over a period of many of a

decades decades right so yeah it's not about development at all anymore it's about like just like proving that the talent's proving themselves and getting their own fan bases and then people you know the industry's coming in after the fact as opposed to developing things like they used to at a certain time. So, you know, it's pretty reactive right now to be honest. And even now, except for that, you know, 0.01%, it sounds like you can't quit your day job anymore. Like, you know, I mean,

there was a time when you could be like, you know, I'm thinking, I'm going way back now, like Kim Mitchell, okay, with Max Webster, right? Like he me this story on toronto mic'd where they all lived in a house and they paid 100 bucks a month each for the rent and they were like starving artists and they were figuring it out and then that was but that was their job their job was to be rock stars even before they had you know the the the sales to back it up or whatever but you i don't know i don't know unless your parents are rich and you're some kind of trust fund kid i don't know how you do it in 2022 well i think that's across the board though right like i mean that's that's sort of the

growing divide that happens not just within hey what happens within journalism it's happening within a lot of a lot of careers is is like wages aren't going up and the cost of living especially now like is is crazy so i don't know we you know it's hard it's hard to it's hard it's extremely difficult to change the course of something like if you tell someone hey you're gonna have this relationship with a song for all of your life right so could you would you consider paying what would you consider paying, what would you consider paying for that? Nothing,

but you're willing to pay like $10 for an avocado toast. That makes sense to me. Like it's really hard to not, to change it, to change consumption, I guess. No, a hundred percent.

And you know, newspapers, we won't go too long on this, or this really will be a lot longer than I promised. But, but you know, newspapers are trying to figure out like for,

we were, we got used to getting our news for free and now it's like, how do you put that genie back in the bottle? And like, you know, this is expensive to, to, to pay good journalists and investigative reporters and stuff.

And here you are expecting all this content for zero dollars and zero cents like like how do you yeah it's yeah well and now and now that's why it's so untrustworthy because it's like beholden to the advertisers whereas before the advertisers didn't wouldn't have as much of an impact on like your story writing as much like now it's like such an immediate response and so you the writers themselves are like thinking of probably but like they're beholden to clicks and like it's oh yeah i think with those time let's say honda is your big advertiser oh my god we got a big advertiser it's honda and i don't know there's some investigation into some faulty brakes or something with honda i always wonder like the

sales guy calling the reporter and going hey like, that's like 80% of our revenue this month. Maybe we don't run that story. Well, and also on the current business model of outrage, you're going to... We need more stories that are

catering to the most charged up people who are going to click on that story and then therefore your advertisers are going to be most beholden to those, to that subset of people. And you've got like, you've got just this amazing storms and teapots all over the world, you know? So, yeah. So you two, and again, no man, awesome. We're in, again, we're going back, but we're coming forward. So 2022, as we speak,

I'm going to play a new, I'm going to play a new Bedouin Sound Clash song. It's amazing that, you know, Bedouin Sound Clash still creating great music, but like I'm straight up. Are you able to live off Bedouin Sound Clash or do you have like is it a gig economy and you've got multiple balls in the air? Like, Eon, let's start with you. Like, you like like like is it is it does he does bedouin sound clash become a side hustle because zeller's went out of business what happens zeller's thing was really crushing to our career development i can't no i mean i think you know the band we're fortunate to be in a position where you know i think with the rights maneuvering and the rights planning we're fortunate to be in a position where I think with the right maneuvering and the right planning, we're able to sustain a lifestyle that is fine for both of us.

I know that not every musician is in that position, and we've been pretty blessed to have some success that continues to pay it forward forward and those songs that are still on the radio and people are still interested um but like i mean i think these days you know depending on what your goals are if you if you want like you know big things or to do a lot of things you might have to like start looking at other things as well um i've always been somebody that's been interested in a bunch of different things so it's not necessarily because of the position the band's in but like i you know i've's been interested in a bunch of different things. So it's not necessarily because of the position of the bands in, but like I, you know, I've DJed for a number of years and then a couple of other things on the side as well. So that's just out of personal interest as well.

But I think the band's always been in a position like we've done a pretty good job of maintaining our position in, in the industry to, to, to maintain a lifestyle that that's okay. You know? But Eon with Jay and he's not pretend he's not here, he moved away. Like, what, you were in Toronto-based band, and now Jay's in BC? Like, does that put a wrinkle, or do you just use this wonderful thing we call the internet to work around that?

Well, I mean, that's kind of a testament to, you know, the support the band's had and a testament to, you know, the, the, you know, the, the support the band's had and the success that we've had that we've been in a position where we can work this way, you know, where it's a little bit different. Yeah. For a long time, it was a lot easier to be in the same place, but there was also a lot of personal things for us. I think, you know, days from the West coast, I think, you know,

whenever you come back from school, I'd always be like, Oh, like you always seemed like really refreshed, had like a whole new perspective, new songs, new ideas. And Toronto does not necessarily always spark those kinds of things. So I was like, oh, man, you know, if you could spend more time out there, shit. And I think, you know, once we had that opportunity, you know, he's kind of ran with it. And the music's gotten a lot better as a result and um working yeah we kind of start in a in a demo stage that's kind of internet based you know jay will send stuff we'll send it back we'll try and go back and forth and then uh we usually

spend some time together one way or another so with mass you know it kind of started internet based and then we spent a month in um in la uh together just like working the songs out and then with uh this last one i went to victoria last year and we spent a bunch of time working the songs out and so um that's kind of been the process now that we're on opposite ends of the country so to speak any uh any idea like like i'm wonderingon, if you're considering at all moving to the left coast there where the, you got the ocean and the mountains, is it calling your name? Have you considered moving out there? I have. Yeah, no, I spent, you know, like six months out there last summer. It was kind of an open ended thing. And I really enjoyed my time. And obviously Jay being there and, you there and some great people that I know there

makes it enticing. I definitely haven't ruled it out. It's definitely a possibility for how long, I don't know, but I think it's something that would be fun to explore down the line when it makes sense. I think we owe British Columbia some artists because Biff

Naked moved to Toronto. This is big news, artists because Biff Naked moved to Toronto. This is big news, right? Biff Naked? Yeah. She's living in Mimico now. She's become a dear friend, but she was 35 years in Vancouver. She was an old school Vancouver punk rocker.

Right. She's ours now, so I feel like in that trade, we have to send something over so Eon from Biffnaked I like it seems like a strange trade to me but I

Biffnaked lives in Toronto you know what very odd move very different move different move because usually we're like west coast when they just are like I just want like a lower slower pace or something like that well i asked her i said usually yeah i said what what like how did how did this come to be that you you know i consider her like she calls me her neighbor like she's kind of in my my hood here and she said all her musician friends had moved

to toronto so she was like following them or something, but really, yeah. And this is like pre pandemic, right? So I'm thinking 2018, maybe 2017. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And I,

before I play shine and, and I'm going to have to, uh, upset Neil Young myself actually by, uh, I'm going to have to thank some sponsors. So I'm going to have to sell out myself. Zellers is not a sponsor,

unfortunately, but I'm going to share a quick Bedouin Sound Clash memory that I have which is and I know it was 08 for a reason I'll explain in a minute but I used to go to all the Caspi Awards because I'd get tickets I remember I had a great hook up at CFY where I'd get tickets

to Caspi Awards and Edge Fests but the 2008 Caspi Awards I remember attending and I distinctly remember you guys performing there. So do you guys remember playing CASBs? Yep. Yes. But what are your, so, okay, so any,

because you laugh when you say that, but anything interesting there, or should I? Well, it was like, I mean, that was like the height of like rock jock shock jock what did you guys call what is it called yeah i call it like what's the um i think of it no i have a term for this bro bro music like it's for bros it was for bros but it was it was like it wasn't even the music part of it right like it was dean blundell and like his friends and then it's like people who love his comedy and part of i mean part of that was like you're going up on stage i remember it

was just like that we went up but you go up on stage and it would be like it would just be chaos of like like i think tom green had come up before us he had thrown tons of loaves of bread around and so the whole set we were just getting like like bread thrown at us like it was just that's that's the casbys that was what the casbys were it's funny you mentioned the whole bro thing right because um i did this special episode 1021 which was like a really deep dive into the history of cf and y and i had all these interesting people on the zoom like uh people you would know might be like like Alan Cross is on the Zoom, right? And Alan is telling the story about Dean Blundell

because Alan was the program director at CFNY for a period. And Dean Blundell would go into his office and demand that he fire Dave Bookman because Bookie wasn't bro enough. Like, you know, Bookie was passionate, knew his music. And what ended up happening is they ended up, actually in 09, they ended up moving Bookie to like late nights where they took him off

the afternoon drive and brought in Fearless Fred from Edmonton because Fearless Fred and Dean were like the more matched because they were both attracting those bros that were so important. Yeah. Is that right? Okay, so yeah. Well, okay, so the Caspys was like their night out.

So that's what it was just it was just a simple like that's what i remember but it would always be funny because you kind of see like i mean we obviously a band like ours wasn't necessarily the meat of that right kind of show right like it's like they're looking their red meat was like i don't know like a rock billy talent i don't know like a rock billy talent i don't know like sure so i even think billy talent might be a little too i'm thinking maybe more like finger a dead man finger 11 like alexis on fire what no sure yeah but once they a little too art i feel like alexis would be a little too punk.

They're pretty Casby. Were they pretty Casby? I don't know. What I remember that night... I remember seeing people, they kind of always had that same look in their face. I think one year we did it, it was Metric.

I don't know. There'd just always be this mix of Sam Roberts. I feel like Sam Roberts was always there always there we do that with beatrice sam roberts was a good casby guy what yeah he's a good guy yeah for sure did we do it with beatrice once i feel like beatrice was our one time did we oh my god yeah we did do it i think we did the last time we were there one moment i remember from the 2008 casbys and i can time this for sad reasons, which is I remember a final award. I think I ended up going to Ubiquitous Synergy Seeker or something. But I remember George Strombolopoulos,

who I just saw, Human Kebab from USS. I just saw him. I went to a Moisten Tea Party show at History, and the DJ between the sets was Human Kebab. But okay, I digress. So, Strombo is on the stage with Martin Streak, and they're together.

And because Strombo had left the station, so it was like a special appearance from Strombo. But Strombo and Martin Streak giving out this award to USS. And the reason I know this was 08 is because, you know, by the 2009 Caspies, Martin Streak had taken his life. So it's sort of tattooed on my cranium there. Okay, gentlemen,

I'm going to play some Shine and find out what's going on right now. But I need to thank some sponsors. So I'm not going to thank Zellers. Fuck them. They're gone. I'm going to thank... No, I want to say thank you, Zellers. Can I just say, can I do my own fire? Go ahead. I'm sorry, you don't get to just say that to us.

Thank you so much, Sellers. Yeah. Rest in R.I.P. No, I kid. I'm just jealous. That's amazing. Although you had to split it. No, you can say fuck that, but we never will.

You can never say it. No, but you did have to, how many members of the band had to share the $30,000? Is that four? Three. It was a three at the time. $30,000. Is that $4,000? $3,000. That was a $3,000 at the time. This is the most

specific money interview I've ever done. It's not about the money, but on that note... How did you guys... After taxes, what would that be like? Was that a good year for you guys? Hold your T4 up to the camera. I'll give you my social

insurance number. No, please. Money doesn't matter. I do want to see what's on. I'll give you my social insurance number. Yeah, sure. No, please. Money doesn't matter. I do want to thank, though, Palma Pasta, authentic Italian food. They're in Mississauga and Oakville. Go to palmapasta.com. And Great Lakes Brewery, which is actually brewed in southern Etobicoke, but you can find them in LCBOs

across this fine province. So Eon, you're going to be able to score some and you will not be able to score any J until you come visit us here. I know GLB, they're good. Yeah, they're great. And when I do meet you finally in person, Eon, I will get you some fresh craft beer from Great Lakes.

StickerU.com, they're in Victoria. They're everywhere you get an internet connection, and you can go to StickerU.com and get your Bedouin Sound Clash stickers and decals and temporary tattoos and all that jazz. Ridley Funeral Home have been pillars of this community since 1921 and I want to thank them for

their support. And oh, so Jay's gone. We're going to see if he comes back, but I'll just wrap this up and then we'll see if we can reconnect for the home stretch here. Was it something, maybe it's because I offended him when I went off on Zellers with the FU Zeller. When he said funeral homie, my ghost,

which is really suspicious. So I don't know. Maybe there's some spiritual going on with him right now. I don't know. Well, I will say, speaking of Vancouver, that's where Dewar's from, but they have a new location on Queen Street here in Toronto. And if you go to Dewar.ca, you can see their pants and shorts and shirts,

the world's most comfortable pants and shorts, say 15% right now with the promo code Toronto Mike. And Eon, do you enjoy cannabis? Have I enjoyed this? I have, yes, I have in the past. Everyone sweats of that question. They forget it's legal now. They're like, oh yeah, it's legal now.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, you know who won't be sold, won't be undersold on cannabis or cannabis accessories is Canna Cabana. They've got 100 locations across the country. Go to cannacabana.com, sign up for their cabana club, and be in the know when they've got a sale going on, which is all the time.

So thank you, Cannacabana. So, Eon, Jay's not upset. I'm worried I said something. I was just goofing around there. He's not upset, right? No, I know. I know. You know him better than I do. I didn't piss. I didn't say anything. He can be real sensitive. No, I'm just kidding. I was worried because am I asking too many money questions? Because I did ask a lot about the Zellers deal. Yeah, real sore spot, I guess. I don't know. Well, here, let me start your new jam and then we'll, we'll talk about it.

And then hopefully Jay comes back for the, the home stretch here, but maybe, maybe he lost power or something. So I feel like that's what happened. I'm sure he'll be back. Okay, good.

I'm, I'm sweating over here. I don't want to upset Jay. I'm a better one. Okay. Well, here's some shine and we'll talk about it. I don't know why my head is always stuck in the past. I don't know why I think nothing will last. I don't know why some hearts seem to be made out of dust. Some people shatter, their pieces scatter. We laugh, something in the matter of your fact And slowly don't it seem like we're just running a track

A needle skipping, record repeating And we shine on to the break of dawn And we shine on, on good news, FOTMs. Jay is not mad at me. He is back. Welcome back, Jay. Is Eon gone now? No. Eon, areon gone now? No.

Eon, are you gone? Hold on. I flipped over. Oh, he's right there. Yeah, he's still there. Oh, okay. I couldn't see him. But Jay, I was worried because I could tell maybe you thought I was asking too many personal

questions about finances and stuff. And then I said, fuck you to Zellers. And then you just, you left. And I'm like, I hope I didn't piss off Jay. Well, actually, I think what happened was I said, I'm not going to even say it again, because I think I said something about my sin number, and then all of a sudden it just went dead. Well, I'm glad you're back.

It was like the government was like, you've got to stop. I'm glad you're watching. I'm glad you're back. So we're listening to Shine On. Tell me, first of all, sounds amazing, so congrats. And this is fresh stuff. Tell me what you can about this song and how we can get it. I get it. You can get it on any

streaming platform that you so desire. Would you like that? Or would you rather they like, maybe they can buy a, I don't know, can you buy it directly from the band maybe and put more money in your pocket? Yeah, we should talk to someone about that you can send us money because I know I know some some bands I know I they're like oh we have like vinyl and if you buy it I

don't know you 20 bucks for the vinyl will you know it's then I don't know what percentage is going to them versus uh go stream it and then then, you know, you know what happens then? Well, we, we will, I, this is just going to be, this is just a digital single.

So, but yeah. Who's on it? Like Shine On has a great voice on it. Who's guesting on this? so that's Marcia, Marcia Richards from the Skints, which is a great like UK reggae band,

reggae punk. I don't know what they are. They're very UK. We toured with them recently before the pandemic. That's Marcia singing. She's awesome. Is there more material coming?

Yes. We'll have a new single out next week. We'll have a new single out next week yeah we'll have a new single out soon oh you don't want an exclusive debut here on Toronto Mic'd you don't want to well that's the Christina

Hernandez question she likes me does she we don't know what happens beyond we just make the music what about seeing you live like are we going to be able to

see Bedouin Sound Clash live yeah we're doing a show at the Paradise Theatre which is we're doing a little kind of like small intimate show next week yeah next Tuesday on the 19th yeah on the 19th we're at the Paradise on Bloor.

I know it well. I had my bike lights stolen from outside of that place. I know it very well. Absolutely. It's a great theater. They did a great job fixing it up. I heard.

Yeah, I heard that they did a good job inside. It's good that it was only your bike light and not your actual bike. Oh, I know. I know. But dink move, right?

Because now it's nighttime, I got to bike home and it's like the lights are gone. I was like, I mean, thank you for leaving leaving my bike but you could have left the lights too so so jay you're making a trip back uh back home then i'm coming back you're coming back okay yeah guys honestly uh i know i promised an hour in in Toronto Mike fashion I stole 15 minutes more because that's what I do but I love your music

I love your sound and now I can say after spending almost an hour and a half with you that I dig you guys I'm rooting hard for you guys and long may you run shout out to Neil Young long may you run

thank you sir yes thank you shout out to Neil Young shout out to Zellers thank you for having us yeah good luck with the podcast is there anything that I didn't ask you but you wanted to share with everybody

is there anything left in the vault that you wanted to let out album's coming out later this year yeah we got an album there's singles building I don't know if we're supposed to be saying that though too late I'm not editing this Chase album's coming out later this year. Yeah, we got an album. There's singles building. I don't know if we're supposed to be saying that though. Too late. I'm not editing this, Chase.

That's why I was like, well, I don't know if we're putting out more music. I think... It's never a bad thing to tell people... We don't have a new album coming. What?

It's never a bad move to make people aware that new music is coming. I think so too. I don't know why we're told that. I don't know. We don't know what we're doing in the next little while, but something's happening.

I'm sure something's happening. Just stay tuned. Follow us on social media. Okay, so do you have the handle you want to draw up on people? I know I follow you on Twitter, but do you remember the handles for these accounts? Twitter, but do you remember the handles for these accounts? Twitter, geez. Beto and SoundClash with no vowels, I think.

Yes. On the SoundClash part. Only on the SoundClash part. It's easy work. Beto and L-S-H. And then Instagram is just at Beto and SoundClash. Yeah. Come message us.

Instagram's the best place to find us in terms of messaging and stuff like that. So follow them there. By the way, before I do my little outro here, my wish for you is that, and I think it's very possible with that song, When the Night Fuels My Song, which is that I think it could become one of those TikTok songs. The lightning has to strike again with the right meme or whatever in TikTok land. And, you know,

my kids will be telling me all about this new song they just learned. And I'll be like, you kids, I heard that in 2005. Yeah. You're right, man. That's what happens.

That's what happens. And that brings us to the end of our 180 second show you can follow me on twitter I'm at Toronto Mike our friends at Great Lakes Brewery are at Great Lakes Beer Palma Pasta is at Palma Pasta

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