Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Big Shiny Jams: Toronto Mike'd #759

Episode Date: November 27, 2020

This 37th Pandemic Friday, Mike is joined by Big Shiny Tunes expert Mark Teo before he kicks out big shiny jams with Cam Gordon and Stu Stone.

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From TorontoMike.com and joining me for their 37th Pandemic Friday is Stu Stone. Hello. And Cam Gordon. Hello Mike. Good to see you. How's the heat over there? You toasty?

And a very special guest. I know. This is exciting. Have we ever done this? I don't think we've ever, like, when we're in person, we've never had somebody connect via Zoom. Yeah, only when, like, Auntie Sandy. Auntie Sandy. Auntie Sandy, sorry.

Her, too. Calls up. But this is different. Glad to see you guys. Is everybody... Wait, is the special guest already here? No. Don't we have to, like, shoot the shit for a bit?

Yeah, yeah. Don't we have to talk about like your fucking plugs and all that? You're going to hear a ding in your headphones. That means somebody's in the waiting room and I'm going to let them in.

Excellent. How are you guys doing? Pretty good. Is this just small talk to get to the guests? Are you interested? Do you even care? I'm just asking how you're doing

and then I'm going to tell you some of the feedback that we got from last week's episode. And happy Thanksgiving to our American friend over here. American Stu. How are you doing's episode. And happy Thanksgiving to our American friend over here. American Stu. How you doing, buddy?

And to all of our American listeners listening in Detroit. Yeah, who's the Cecil Fielder guy? Anderson. Anderson, yeah. I love Anderson.

He's the man. He's a huge baseball card fan, which must be why he loves Stu Stone. As one would be. Oh, is that why he likes me, Mike?

Not because of my personality? Just like me for my baseball cards? People are like, wait, Cam Rios? I said Stu and Cam. He's like, you mean the wonderful Stu? And then I think Levi Fumka said, you mean the great Stu? Yeah, that's right. They know.

They know. They know. And they know. There's a lot of riffraff on Twitter. Hey, they know. Okay, so this episode is Big Shiny Jams. We're kicking out our favorite, or at least, well, we can explain what jams we've chosen why,

but we're picking out jams. Were you over at the Adamson's Barbecue today? Because I saw on your Twitter that you were over there. No, no, I took that photo from Royal York. Is that lipstick on your collar or barbecue sauce? What's going on? Yeah, were you over there? Yeah, does Anthony Petrucci know?

Can we talk about small businesses? I know you were there, part of the crusade. I was on rural York biking by, and there was a crowd. There was cops weren't even like, that's the street by the way. When you guys went to TMLX at Great Lakes Brewery, that was on that very street. Oh, that's the same street.

Same street. Okay. So, Great Lakes. I'm going to crack open right now a burst from Great Lakes Brewery. Me too. Actually, that's probably the best mama that was the best one you've done i'm gonna have this one i kind of think you spoke too quickly on it but you could edit that as like a perfect oh you know to add to your board there i finally got it right i finally had it right uh okay a lot of feedback so this is big shiny tunes because i felt we needed to turn the channel because last week was the boy bands and I got a lot of heat. I got left, right, and center

because of my Serial Joe pick. Yes. Maybe that was a mistake. Wow, are we doing that now? 37 weeks and we got a drum roll? A little hacky. So small businesses, Mike, real quick.

Do you want to say something about small businesses? I think I should. Yeah, go. I love small businesses. I want to say for the record that I was, you know, as far as barbecue goes, Adamson is no joke. That's quite the barbecue place. I have friends that are pit masters that have restaurants and barbecue joints

in Texas and in California that recognize Adamson as being one of the best period. It's that good, right? Okay. So the times that I have gone to that man's restaurant, I have had good interactions with him. He gave me a tour of the kitchen twice. Like that exact guy. Yeah. Wow. And so he was a very nice guy i of course i didn't speak you know there wasn't a pandemic going on we didn't speak politics or have any sort of reason to have differing opinions i was there enjoying the barbecue and he was proud to show off the different kind of machinery that they were using and you know he had a real cool operation that's obviously grown since those days where i visited him at that one location when was that would have

been on like the laird area like egl Eglinton and Laird sort of area. That's where I met. I went a couple times there. So both times I went there, he gave us a tour, went back in the thing, showed us the whole deal. Is this like the last year? This would have been two years ago, maybe the last year. It wouldn't have been during the pandemic, obviously.

Sure, of course. But at some point I went there. And I made a habit to try to go back there again because it's really good. So it was a little bit strange to see this guy on the news recently battling. He's become an international sensation of sorts. He's become a hero to the Patriots, if you will, for his defiance closing down his his restaurant to indoor dining. Now, I don't I'm not going to pretend to be able to get into the mind of this man and

see why he's doing what he's doing or think, you know, I can't personally, I don't understand why he's doing this. So that's on him. You know, it's his life. Right. But to me, as somebody that's like a sort of a critical thinker, it just seems to me like, you know, the complaint about small businesses or restaurants being told no more indoor dining. But like, how come Loblaws and Walmart can still have people in there? To me, I think, I don't know.

This is just me thinking, right? There's a lot of space in those big Walmarts and whatnot. But when you're inside of a Walmart, you have to wear a mask. When you're inside of a Loblaws, you have to wear a mask. If you're eating inside of a small restaurant, you cannot wear a mask. So that's why you can't eat inside a restaurant. So it makes sense to me, and I know that the government, from what I've at least seen on TV and read about in blogs or whatnot,

they're offering some sort of assistance to some of these small businesses as far as you know helping them with some sort of rent or I don't know what I think they were can people hear us this is getting too controversial Mike's pulled your mic

I think you're still on I think like these some small businesses I don't know but i'm pretty sure some small businesses are being helped obviously the christmas season this is a destroyer by having all these businesses closed down during christmas but this is a food place and food places are not shut down and they can still offer curbside and delivery and uber eats and all that sort of stuff and it doesn't seem to me that he has this big, huge dining area there anyway. So, like, why not just serve? It's like all this trouble when you could have just been,

was it that important to have, you know, 15 to 20 guests be able to eat at the picnic tables inside? Here's my thoughts as sort of social media guy. I mean, he clearly was looking to get attention. I don't know. He doesn't seem like... He seems to me like a guy who really likes attention. That's what I'm saying. It's out of character to me to see this guy behave like this.

Is what I'm saying. He didn't come across as somebody that would... This is a heel turn. It may be. It may not be. I don't know. But he's definitely getting attention. He's trending all over the world.

I would say how this has played out the last three days is almost... It's a bit of a textbook thing to, you know, kind of, you know, do this one day and next day, you know, the rebel shows up.

I don't know who was Menzies or whoever that guy is. And the son's already there. Cause Joe, Joe Warmington sort of, I wonder if Joe Warmington like got some corn red or something like probably. For sure. For sure. Yeah.

And like, I should, I mean, say we were about joe warmington but like he is always on the scene at these places like i'm just reading uh kevin donovan is he i forget his fotm no he's never been on trombone anyway i'm just reading i've met him yeah i'm just reading his book about the sherman family of which we also in the news this week right um but it just it's interesting to see how present Joe Warmington is

in that, and obviously it's a really serious matter, and one of the people who really revealed that case. So, I mean... Barbecue gate. There was literally mini-protests. I don't know, man. Listen, it just seems

like it didn't have to escalate to that level, in my opinion. It's just like, I'm not him, so, you know, he's obviously fighting a different fight than I would, but he could still serve food, take out. But this is it, exactly. He was never shut down. He just couldn't have in dining. I guess he thinks that, maybe he thinks that the pandemic is, you know,

he doesn't believe that it is what we all, you know, we're all sheep or something like that. I don't know. I don't know. You know, there's screen caps of like, you know, he uses, first of all, I didn't like the fact he keeps using the R word. Okay. He just seems really strange. Sorry.

The R word. The R word. Okay. Yeah. He uses the R word in his social media posts. So right off the bat, I wasn't too pleased with that, but I think he's clearly looking for some PR, some attention, which he's got. Like, is Michael Jackson, can you still listen to Michael Jackson's music?

We did last week. Okay, so can you still eat this guy's barbecue? Is it problematic barbecue? Are you asking me personally? Yeah, I mean, is it problematic barbecue? Yes. Because it's really good. It is problematic.

It is. It is like Chick-fil-A. Do you go to Chick-fil-A? This is not Chick-fil-A, and I do go to Chick-fil-A, and I feel sick about it every time, but it's so delicious. Just not on Sunday. I'll get my chicken sandwich somewhere else. Fair, fair. I was going to say, remember when Van Morrison released these anti,

you know, down with the lockdown songs? Big hits. Astro Weeks, one of the greatest albums ever. Do we just not listen to the same more? Pastries are ready, or barbecues are ready. By the way, the guy's a hell of a baker, too. I got to throw in. Really?

Are they a new sponsor? No. Initially, before they became a barbecue brisket place, they were a bakery. And so this guy became a – he's got an interesting story. That's what I'm saying. I was compelled to speak to him and go on the tour and take the whole spiel. I don't know. Maybe if Mike turns heel, maybe this will be a future guest.

I'm sure this guy will be like on the Rebel next week. Yeah, I don't know. You should reach out and try to get him to come on your show. I don't know if I want him

on my show. Like the guy Chris Sky, have you guys heard of Chris Sky? He's an anti-masker. Oh, yeah, yeah. Humble and Fred, basically, I produce their show

and they're like, get us Chris Sky. So I had texts back and forth for like multiple days to get him on Humble and Fred. I decided at then and there, I just didn't want to have Chris Sky on. He's like the guy from like Woodbridge, right? I think the guy from Adamson Barbecue, Adam, would be a get for Humble and Fred.

They probably love that. I think they would because I heard them talking this week about how they can't wait to buy some barbecue from Adamson. So you can go either way. Like you either have the reaction, which is like, I'm never going there. Or it's like, oh, I didn't know that place exists. Well, either way, you get pantsers when I go

to get my pastrami sandwiches. Center Street Deli. But I will say that, you know, I feel bad that we're in this situation. It's the pandemic's fault. And I'm not an anti-masker. And I do think that,

you know, we need to take this seriously. Even as I'm sitting here with you guys in this bubble that we've created here with the three of us, I'm not, I haven't gone and sat inside of a restaurant and I'm not planning on doing that. Me neither.

Me neither. You know, open or close. I'm not going in. Now we do have a special guest. This is exciting. Cause we, we never do this.

Definitely not big shiny times in the pandemic, but meanwhile, there's a segue. So I mentioned today. Yes. Thank you, Cam. I mentioned today the topic is big shiny jams. We're going to kick out.

Wait, wait. Before you do that, you should know that Anthony is in here and he's got some comments on. Well, Anthony, I should say Anthony is my guest on Saturday. And he's saying. This is good. He's fighting for the life and the life of his business. The money being handed out by the government is not enough. Curbside and home delivery is not enough.

Tell him to save some of that for Saturday. I mean, that's a good preview of what's to come because Anthony actually has the perspective that I don't have. Anthony's family owns Palma Pasta, who we love. Right. Amazing products. So Palma Pasta obviously is feeling the heat from this shutdown. Like I am, yes.

And I feel bad. But Anthony is playing by the rules. This is what we're going to talk about Saturday. So same place, same channel. Anthony Petrucci from Palma Pasta Saturday. We're going to cover this. That's weird. I'd like to talk to him more because you can give him my number or Barb's number. You can call either of us.

Anthony's? Yeah. Why don't you come here Saturday at 1 o'clock? Sure, sure. Bojana, you have a notepad? Okay, I know. Before he falls asleep on us, okay? Mark's loving this. Come on. Okay. So I want to just let it...

We'll hold a barbecue and on talk. So you can hear us okay, right, Mark? Yep, yep. Can you hear me? Yeah, we hear you fine. Thanks. So thanks for jumping on. We're just introducing the topic, Big Shiny Jams.

You wrote the definitive book on Big Shiny Tunes, which at least two of the three of us up here absolutely adore that series. Your book, I just want to tell it right off the top. Your book is called Shine, How a Much Music Compilation Came to Define Canadian Alternative Music and Sell a Zillion Copies. So people should run out and get that book. But Mark, right off the top what made you write the book on big shiny tunes like were you just a fan of the series like we were yeah you know i was a fan of it i grew up with it it was really influential for for me and i'll be honest like i actually kind of forgot about it you know um like i uh you know

like it was really big for me when i was in high school and then i went off to university and then kind of uh you know like you know got to different kinds of music and eventually started working in music media. So I ended up working as a music journalist for a while with a publication called Ox. Yeah. Alan Cross used to do things for the station, right? The Ox TV. Is that like AUX? Yeah, that's right. AUX, yeah. This was Blue Ant. Was this Blue Ant Media?

Aux, I think? It was. Eventually it was? Okay. It was, yeah. That's who owned it. And I believe we actually made some, we actually even made a couple posts

from some of Cam's infographics. Oh. I don't know if you remember that. I knew this was an inside job. Okay, great having you, Mark. Those infographics are incredible. Completely ignored. New one out this week about the scorpions.

It's kind of like, in a way, it's like art when he releases those infographics because they really are capturing the essence of a period of time. I need a magnifying glass, a very small font. Bigger font, yeah. You should do big prints. Compressed files. Okay, Mark, here's my first big question for you before we kick out our favorite songs. Big shiny questions.

Can we ask some questions too? Yeah, I'll do one and then you guys can do one. My question is, because I had Sammy Cohn, who's the drummer from The Watchmen, and I asked him, why weren't you on these? You were making great CanCon alt-rock hits in the 90s. Where the hell were the Watchmen jams? asked him, like, why weren't you on these? Like you were making great CanCon alt rock hits in the nineties. Where the hell were the Watchmen jams? And he's not really sure.

So like, how the hell were these songs chosen? Okay. So it was interesting because most compilations actually involved, you know, like one record label. That's, that's kind of like, when you look at absolute nineties, that was one label that and they just put all of their tracks on there. So big shiny tunes was basically a combination of six labels and, and much music kind of broke with this relationship.

They called them like the original six, you know, like the six labels, one took the lead for each compilation and, and they basically use much as like their promotional platform. So like, so but in order to use much as a promo platform, much as programming team actually had to have a say and make sure that it also represented their interests and the kind of stuff that they were playing. So, so basically, you know, they assemble these track lists by sitting down with label people and much people and trying to figure out which songs to put on there. So in terms of Watchmen, I'm not really sure why they weren't included. I mean, that's that that seems like a real slam dunk. Right. Yeah. But but yeah, I mean, it was probably

an ongoing negotiation. OK, is it still ongoing? Because there could be like another big, shiny opportunity with all of this resurgence you know you got your book you got this podcast sure a lot going on forward by alan cross so yeah if you guys have how did you become such an expert in it like what like you you wrote a book about big shiny tunes that's fucking awesome so how does one even like to wake up in the morning and think that that's like an idea to pursue? It's fascinating. Such a unique idea. And it's so cool. You know what I mean? Sure. Yeah, I read it. I read the book.

So what made you come up? What made you think to write this book? Well, OK, so when I was working at Ox, like we used to basically just, you know, we used to write clickable stories. Let's call them clickbait. And, you know, we used to do clickable stories let's call them clickbait and uh and you know and we used to do a lot of canadian canadian based stories and we used to joke around that like the best performing post we could ever do would be like the top 14 tracks on big shiny tunes one and we would just have the track list you know like that's so funny but like you know and but like we used to joke about that and it was kind of true but then we started noticing i used to write for an alt weekly out in calgary called fast forward um and they had like a big shiny tune tonight

like organized where they would have cover bands playing big shiny tunes and you know and and we started and i started thinking it was just like yeah people really have an affection for this and you know i wasn't i wouldn't say that i was an expert on this kind of stuff at the time i was just like oh people seem to really care about this you know like um and you know and so like you know i was approached by my publisher eternal cavalier and they were like do you have any book ideas and i was like i've heard something about big shiny tunes and they were like yeah let's do that so um i didn't even know where to start but thankfully when i worked at blue ant media they also ran um or they like at the time polaris the polaris music prize was also part of of uh of

blue ant media and you know steve jordan's office was like you know 20 feet away from my desk and he had a lot of intel into especially music industry in the 90s so i was really able to just go to him be like okay steve like who are the much people i should speak to like you know so i can learn more about how this came to me like hey much music i'm writing this book on big shiny tunes and they're like sure we'll talk to, I'm writing this book on Big Shiny Tunes. And they're like, sure, we'll talk to you. Well, you know, it's like a lot of the people who worked at Much during the Big Shiny Tunes era weren't even there at the time, right? So I couldn't even go to Much.

Right. Do you have to get permission from MuchMusic to do this book? Is anybody allowed to write a book about anything? I think so, right, Mark? You do need permission from Bell Media to write a book about Big Shiny Toon. As long as you're not being slanderous or anything or proprietary information. Was there some dirt in the book? He must have spilled the tea on something. Oh, yeah.

So is there any tea? Yeah. It's weird to find out. What are you drinking there, Mark? What are you drinking? I am drinking. Okay, well, I see you guys are all drinking Great Lakes and mixing all at once, but

I'm drinking Hazy New England IPA from Henderson's, which is right by my house. Well, yeah, I bike by it all the time. It's on the... Very good. Mark's a West End guy. Yeah, you're a West End guy. West End girls. Is he going to stay on while we do our picks, and then he can judge us on our picks? I offered him.

What else has he got to do? Come on. What the fuck else are you doing, man? I have a more, you know. Writing a book on now that's what I call music sticks. Okay, Mark, here's a question for you.

Okay, and this is like a really sort of nerdy. Cam Gordon completely ignored. Dot com. Sure. Because I do, I remember when I i was reading i think you touched on this and i've recently just for something else i'm working on i've been chatting a little bit with the folks who started pure tracks um mark i i'm guessing you remember this toronto mike

you may remember this dude definitely does not know what this is. Mark, I assume you remember that Pure Tracks, like, Canada's attempt to counter iTunes for a few years, had cards in, like, Shopper's Drug Mart. I do not remember this. I'm the only one who can see Mark. Do you know what this is?

I'm not sure, exactly. Okay, so what Pure Tracks was... No, this relates. Pure is another band that never made a big show. I like that song. Regardless. Denial. Regardless.

Yes, it never made a big show. Okay, this is going somewhere. So Pure Tracks was, again, it was a Canadian company that was like- And I can't meet Corbin Bernson in the lobby. Oh my God. Some famous person better come in here. Unplug his mic again. See, the problem is I unplugged his headphones. I should haveged sorry go ahead i'm gonna kick his chair sorry go ahead um okay

i'll try to be concise here but with pure tracks the interesting thing because they needed deals they're selling music from all the different labels so they need deals from all the different labels to have this stuff and they actually started um they had a lot of licenses because they did a lot of like music and like the in-flight music for like air canada um mark i don't know like how much you remember this the one thing that sort of struck me about those compilations whereas i think me and stew and mike are a bit older than you when i think of like compilations for the 90s and this is like nerdy music industry stuff they i think mike touched on they were very like label specific so like you'd have the mint records compilation or a big one for stew and i was the dgc rarities

volume one that had like a we unreleased weezer track and uh counting crows were on their back bogus flow nirvana yeah nirvana like i think it was like an alternate version of uh stay away shit yeah yeah so mark what do you you remember just from writing the book? Again, because much would need these relationships, with all the labels even, to pull something like this off. And the complete aside, I think it's so fucking weird, because I remember that commercial that you played off the top, Mike. The promotion, the last song they played in that was like

Better Than Ezra, The King of New Orleans, which is probably the last song. What a weird song, Steve Anthony doing the voiceover. The interesting thing is that, would this even work today? This is basically just a Spotify playlist on CNN. No, it can't work today. It was a product of its time. This was the only way you could get all of those songs.

Yeah, because Big Shiny Tunes went away in 2010, which is sort of Spotify. Anyway, Mark, I was going to say- Yeah, is there a question here? Yeah. Short version. Like what was the arrangement that whoever put the CD out would have with all these labels to have all these artists from all these different places

in one place? Cause I think that was pretty rare, at least in Canada. What does that have to do with Pure Flix? Cause there was a similar situation. He abandoned that. Oh my God. I get it. I get God. I get it.

I get it. I get it. This is why we never have guests on Pandemic. This piece of ass would stop interrupting me. This could be a new format, by the way. We bring on a guest. Yeah, this is great. I'm calling Anthony next.

Anyway, Mark, did you get that question? I totally got the question. Thank you. Thanks for reading the book, by the way. No problem. I enjoyed it. Yeah. But I, so a lot of the previous Much compilations, you know, the Much Dance, like the Much Dance mixes.

Yes, those are great. They were so good, right? But they tended to involve, you know, like more singular labels. And I think that what Much was able to do for Big Shiny Tunes was really, you know, they were kind of like the peak of their powers right like mid 90s um and they were kind of levered they were kind of able to leverage their relationship with all these labels to try to get them to um work together to put out what was really like a greatest hits compilation so like they they really talk about about having only the best of the best on big shiny tunes um and they were able to basically leverage that by saying that we are the promotional wing right like that makes sense and like you can't get promotion any better than instant money they're printing money yeah and you know it's what's interesting too is

that is that and like i'm not sure if that if that relationship was intended to be a long-term one but the first big china tunes really outsold their expectations. Like, if I remember correctly, I think that they expected to sell around 10,000 copies and they sold about 300,000 copies. Those are like Stu Stone numbers, 300,000 copies. That's true. That's amazing. Well, these CDs, from what I recall,

were every, like, you'd see them in the gas station, you'd see them at kind of Walmart, by the chewing gum. Like, this was, you know. This was everywhere. These were the derigger CDs of the day. Is he going to stay on with us while we do? If he wants to. He said he might have to go.

Mark, I now realize I need 90 minutes with you. I think he's going to sell more books now. We can sell a lot more books. At some point, Mark, you need to be my guest on Toronto Mike so we can dive deep into this because we don't have time books now. Well, we can sell a lot more books. So, at some point, Mark, you need to be like my guest on Toronto Mike so we can dive deep into this

because we don't have time right now. I'm going to, two more quick questions. Oh, really? Yeah. One is,

there's a lot of CanCon because, of course, much music's involved. but how do they decide like the ratio of American? Like, you got No Doubt

and Red Hot Chili Peppers, but then, of course, you also have I Mother Earth and Sloan. How do they decide the ratio of American? Probably 60-40. Let's hear from the expert. We have an expert

on the phone, Stu. Just guessing. He literally wrote a fucking book. He wrote the book. I've got to read the book. All right, Mark, the floor is yours. Actually, I should say that I don't actually know. I know know that they i do call it the golden ratio in the book where i believe it's it's like 25 on the tracks they have like like um it's what 25 canadian oh i thought it would be more yeah i did lose yeah actually let me check

right now wait it's pluto canadian i never got pluto's canadian oh my god yeah i have no idea out of vancouver right yeah i'm only i only just learned about cub okay because i oh cub right I'm Canadian. I never got... Pluto's Canadian. Oh my God, yeah. I have no idea. Out of Vancouver. Out of Vancouver. Right. Yeah. I only just learned about Cub, okay? Because I... Oh, Cub, right. Is Cub on there too? No. Michael...

If Cub was on Big Shiny Tunes, I'd know about them. But I read it in Michael Barclay's book. I don't think Cub had any even songs on the radio, really. I never saw him on much music. I never heard him on 102.1. Do you ever see the video for New York City? I heard... I saw the cover, first of all.

I heard the cover, and then I did hear that song. But it never got on my radar. Sorry, back to you, Mark. Sorry, I was totally wrong, by the way. It's about a third. See, it is a bit higher. So it is almost like the CamCon rate. That's pretty amazing.

CamCon. Yeah. That should be an episode where we pick songs that Cam would like. There you go. Wordsmith. Cam actually liked it. No one had heard it. Okay, Mark, and

how would you, if you want, if people listening want to pick up Shine and I think, I honestly, when you said like a lot of people get excited about Big Shiny Tunes nostalgia, like you're in the, this is home base for that. Like this is, this is the ground zero. He could sell some books here. I'm not kidding.

We should take a 10% rip. I think Greg Gotsky's already buying Shine, but where, Mark, would you want people to go to buy Shine? If you have a preference of how they buy Shine. I would say, so, visit my publisher's website. They're called Eternal Cavalier Press,

and they have a lot of great books in Canadian music. Shine being one of them. Say the name again, though. Eternal Cavalier Press, and they have a lot of great books in Canadian music, Shine being one of them. Okay, say the name again, though. Eternal Cavalier Press. Okay. Yeah. Eternal Cavalier Press. Okay.

Dude, yelled. No, there is a book about the Watchmen that's... Oh. There's a book about the Watchmen? Yeah. Have you been to Danny's pub? I mean, pre-COVID times, I guess. He's got the Parkdale Hotel.

Have you been there? Breaking news. Anyways, Danny Graves owns a bar in Parkdale, the Parkdale Motel, I think it's called. Yeah, motel. And it's where, you know, in non-COVID times, you could go and watch the Winnipeg Jets play. It's a big, like, hub for Jets fans.

But it's very cool. Shot a Boneyard Tree tequila. It's great. Oh, Mark, uh, one other big Canadian band that was all over alt rock stations in the nineties. That is nowhere near nowhere to be found on big shiny tunes is a little

band called the tragically hip. Oh, so I mean, the kind of snub kind of noticeable, but do you think that's just a management decision not to, uh, you know, dilute the,

uh, the sales of the hip albums? Is that a Jake Gold decision? What's going on here? Snub. Well, you know, in my book, I actually talk about how they chose the Canadian bands that ended up on the compilation. And I believe it was Craig Halligott, who worked in programming at the time, who mentioned to me that all of the

bands that that they feature on the compilations were bands that well at least the canadian ones are bands that they champion that they and they and i think the word he used was incubated you know and by and i can't this is pure speculation here because i did ask why specifically the hip weren't on there but it's possible that that you know by the mid 90s the hip were you know a real established band. A band that maybe did not need championing or incubating or didn't need to sit beside all of these giant

alternative rock tracks. Sloan, in this country, obviously they weren't the Hip, but Sloan was a pretty big fucking band. We think of Sloan now as a pretty big band, but in 1990-whatever, they were a new band. Well, they were new with Underwhelmed. This is going to actually tie

in to, this is a bit of a tease here, to my final pick for my five jams. The one that I pick is actually going to address something that's sort of in this ballpark. So to all the listeners, all the people on Periscope, it's a great question. My question for him is

if he wants to do some sort of a doc series on the big shiny we should talk because maybe we can pitch that to like somebody and we can make that happen so he can't you maybe later when you're watching you'll see Stu when you watch this is for you Mark

we're live on Periscopes you can watch the on demand I'm on Twitter at Toronto Mike and you can click that and kind of watch it in reruns. And you can see Stu, but Stu is a fantastic local filmmaker. And I think that this is a subject. If he could sell books, why wouldn't someone want to watch this? So why don't we try to talk about that sometime? So here's what we're going to do.

Let's do it, Stu. All right. Okay, good. I've connected to good people. So mark your future guest on the show. But you are 100% permitted to stay on i'll keep the zoom open if you want like that way when we have questions we can just ask you like i don't know if you have something better to do like if you do it's okay i'll just can i'll unplug it now but

i i have one final question for mark that this one's fun and i i and oddly enough i don't think any of these songs were featured on any of the compilations. But, Mark, gun to your head. Hypothetically speaking, of course. Shine by the Doughboys. You can probably see where I'm going here. I know. You're going to say Junk House Shine. Shine by Junk House, Hamilton's Own, or Shine by Collective Soul.

Wow. If you could only hear one of those songs for the rest of your life, you got a little... What was the first one? Junk House for me, but I do like the Doughboys.

Junk House and Collective Soul. How does the Junk House one go? Can you please sing that before we can? It's just a matter of time before we get to shine. It's actually pretty good. I don't know that song.

It's amazing. I don't know it. And remember, we're big rusty guys. This will come up, but Scott McAuliffe was in Doughboys, right? That's right. I could probably just do without that last one because I don't know it.

Let's hear from our expert here, Mark. Yeah. Which one? I will fully say that's a very difficult decision. But I'm going to have to shine by the Doughboys because, as Mike mentioned, I was a huge Rusty fan. And to the point where I tracked down Doughboys and One Free Fall, as Mike mentioned, I was a huge Rusty fan. Good man. And to the point

where I tracked down Doughboys and One Free Fall and stuff like that when I was a teenager because I loved that band so much. Wait, he's picking the song that he wants to keep out of those three?

Yes. Okay, so I thought we were picking the one we wanted to get rid of. I agree with him completely. Of course that's the answer. I like that song a lot. It was the theme song

to Wedge. Of course that's the answer. That's right. It was the theme song to Wedge. Okay, just so you know, Mark, when you come on Toronto Mike,

that all of Rusty was in my basement for an episode of Toronto Mike. But he has Lysol the place in so you don't have to worry. You can do it on Zoom.

Don't worry. You don't have to come in my basement. You get all the valuables. So we're going to just do our thing, Mark, and it's 100% up to you if you stick around.

Cool. Okay. I'll stick around for about a half hour or so. Oh, yeah. This show is only about a half hour more. There's only three hours left to go. Okay, we've got to get moving. New format, by the way. This could be a morning show

where you have one guest and we kick out some jams and let's get paid. I was going to call Pachuchi. So let's get this going here. Yes. I did start to allude to this before we talked about these small businesses and stuff. But last week's boy band episode caused uproar in that people were upset at me for Mistake by Serial Joe. Yeah.

But me choosing Mistake by Serial Joe really triggered this topic because Mistake is a big shiny tune. And it got me thinking about about how can we make amends and I thought this episode would be a way to make amends. I'll say this. They're going to come up in this episode but not necessarily because we're hearing a track by Serial Joe. Uh-oh.

So there's a little... Another little... Full of teases today. Levi Fumka was upset that we didn't know that Hanson was losing fans because of their slow reaction to the Black Lives Matter movement. I don't know if you caught wind of this. I haven't been paying attention

to the band for a long time, so I guess I missed that. I apologize. And there were even some questions amongst the listenership about whether the Beatles were a boy band. Well, you know, some people say they were. Why don't we ask the Mr. Fucking Shiny Tunes? He knows. Mark Teo, if I haven't said his last name yet.

Teo, is that how you say it, Mark? That's correct. You got it. Are the Beatles the original boy band? Yes or no? Absolutely, yeah. Thank you. I knew we were going to get along. It's official. Okay. Here's a fun fact. I went through the list of bands and artists that have

appeared on Big Shiny Tunes, and I will quickly run down the six bands that are FOTMs. The FOTMs who have appeared on Big Shiny Tunes, and I will quickly run down the six bands that are FOTMs. The FOTMs who have appeared on Big Shiny Tunes are Sloan, Bare Naked Ladies, Our Lady Peace, Biff Naked, Danko Jones. I was surprised to see Danko. Yeah, Lover Call, I think.

Yeah, it wasn't even balanced. Does that mean none of these guys are going to be on the show today? No, there's nothing to do with the other. And USS. Showing off? That's just me showing off. We're already enjoying our Great Lakes beer. Thank you, Great Lakes. It's fantastic. Palma Pasta.

There's a big episode on Saturday. Anthony Picucci from Palma Pasta. He might be mad at me after what, you know, I think. I don't think so. Anthony's a cool cat. I wrote some really nice things in the chat after. You want me to tell you what I wrote? Yeah, go ahead.

I wrote, Anthony, I appreciate your perspective. I can't imagine how difficult it must be. I'm rooting for you guys. Yes. But I don't think he responded to that. So hopefully I still can take lasagna home. On Saturday, I'll look him in the eyes because he'll be sitting right there. I love his lasagna.

Are you mad at Stu Stone? He shouldn't be. I'm rooting for him. I love his lasagna. I've eaten 20 lasagnas. Let's get some gift cards. Just before we kick out the first jam, Joanne Glutish, her full-time focus is Toronto real estate, especially Etobicoke where she lives, but really the West End, Mississauga and Oakville as well.

West End girl. She knows every neighborhood inside and out. She's constantly in the community volunteering at events and working to find out what her clients need to know to make real estate decisions. So I urge all listeners to engage with Joanne Glutish if they have any real estate requirements, buying and or selling in the next six months.

I did mention this last week. I'm going to tell you again because on December 2nd at 7 p.m., it's this year's Holidays in Hope Candlelight Service of Remembrance. It's a live online event this year. You're invited to join the good people at Ridley Funeral Home to receive comforting messages. Is Mark Teo going to be there? Mark, you are invited, of remembrance. It's a live online event this year. You're invited to join the good people at Ridley funeral home to receive

comforting messages. Is Mark Teo going to be there? Mark, you are invited. Of course, you can enjoy live music and reflect on your loved one's life and legacy. Again, that's December 2nd at 7 PM RSVP 416-259-3705.

And last but not least, CDN technologies. They're there. If you have any computer or network questions or issues, I know you Stu, when you're lonely, I'm not, I'm not lonely when I'm just looking for some inspiration.

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97. 5, 9. 5, 9. Speaking of RSVP, you remember the Much Music show, RSVP? Of course.

Requested songs for video play. Is that what that stood for? I always wish I got a request through. I'm sorry to hear that, bud. I have a request. I'm about to kick out Cam's first jam. What about Sheila? No, we're not doing this, bitch.

Is she done? We have a guess. No, Sheila is Joanne Glutish. I know, but doesn't she usually have like a spiel? Sheila? Yeah, but I thought we should get to the jam. I don't think that's fair to Sheila. I'm a fan.

That's the only reason why I come here. Okay, Mike. Play my music. No, no, no. Please. Sheila's the greatest. She's cool. All right.

15 seconds of Sheila. This is disrespectful to Sheila. Oh, my God. So whether you're looking to buy your first home, move up, purchase an income property, help your parents sell the house they've been in for 40 years, or just have your questions answered, visit her at joangludish.com and then give her a call. Sometimes I picture,'s off screen. She's got today's newspaper.

Be kind to my Sheila. I love Sheila. I requested it. Do you want to say anything or do you want to kick it? I just want to get right into this. Okay. Okay. All right. All right, Cam, you've chosen. Smashing Pumpkins? Smashing Pumpkins?

Smashing Pumpkins. Yeah, Smasher. So this is Ava Adore from the summer of 1998. This is from their... I was going to say their third full length. I think this is their fourth, Adore. Ava Gish was the first one. Yeah, Gish, Siamese Dream, Melancholy.

Melancholy, does that count for two? No, it's one. And Adore. Pisces Iscariot? Yeah, that was an odds and sods compilation. This was a lot bigger hit than I remembered. I feel like this whole album was a bit of a come down after just the immensity that was that double album.

And it was certainly a darker and a sort of more textured affair. Some people suggesting this was their goth album, which I'm not sure I agree with that. But the song's definitely Menace. I think this was, I should have written this down. Like this was, I think on the, maybe Mark would know this. This is probably like Big Shiny Tunes. Three.

Was it three? Yes. Okay, very good. Thank you. Do you think Mark's memorized the playlist? He better have. He literally wrote a book. He should know.

If he doesn't know this, hang up on him. Yeah. Mark would be fun at parties. Didn't he be the best at parties? Oh, like ATN trivia night? He'd just destroy. Post-pandemic. So, okay, this song, number one in Iceland.

The only country it went to number one in. This is an icy hit. Did we confirm it is Big Shiny Toons 3? It is. I said it that it is. I'm confirming it. By the way, Big Shiny Toons 3, 800,000 units sold. That's a monster. That's huge.

800,000 copies. This song, number two in Greece, number five in New Zealand, and in the top 20 in Australia, Canada, Hungary, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, and the United Kingdom, as well as the United States of America. And we're writing down a bunch of fun facts about this. The music video, remember, is kind of scary. They were sort of like in gothic attire. Oh, I remember it well, yeah. And I believe Darcy had left the band at this point.

So it was just the three of them with James Iha and Jimmy Chamberlain. Directed by a music video directing pair named Dom and Nick, who most famously, they actually didn't do that many music videos. But in addition to this video, they directed 14 videos for Supergrass, which is kind of who I don't think were on Big Shiny Times, Big Shiny Tunes, and eight videos by a band who was on Big Shiny Tunes,

the Chemical Brothers. Wow. Did eight different videos. Eight vids. Yeah. That's a lot of vids. Yeah, so this video won Most Stylish Video

at the 1998 VH1 Fashion Awards. Wow, Most Stylish. Yeah, Stu has that on VHS. I do. Up at his mom's place. I do. Yeah, these music video guys, they also did a lot of commercial work.

They did a night commercial. What's their phone number? It's Jordan Ghoulish. That's it. Fun, fun, fun. Glutish. It's glutish. Okay, this is an actual fun fact.

It better be about the adore album okay there was actually a track it's the only track that the smashing pumpkins worked with with rick rubin oh this is good it was a track called let me give you the world or let me give the world to you but the song was left off the album adore later showed up on the album machina to the friends and enemies of modern music but a different version not the rick rubin track um that came out later on a reissue and if you go on spotify you'll find it so and also he owns the nwa national wrestling alliance billy corgan billy corgan although rick rubin's like a wrestling and and on he is and on twitter billy corgan has at billy

that's yeah good twitter that's a really great handle. He has at Billy? Yeah, at Billy. Yeah, at Billy. He's like Jack. Or at Norm. He was the first Billy on Twitter. That's right.

So, Mark, what do you think? We need to hear from the expert here. What do you think of Cam's first? We're each kicking out five, by the way. We've each picked five jams. His first big shiny jam. What do you think? Good pick, Cam.

Good pick. Honestly, I think The Adorer, Smashing Pumpkins is awesome. I'm a big Pumpkins fan. I think the first concert I went to was a Smashing Pumpkins concert. Wow, this guy's great. Yeah. So I think it was in the On Call I Duel at Maple Leaf Gardens. Yeah, I was there.

Yeah, I was there. Everybody was there everybody was there loved it so good but yeah i mean honestly like like yeah this is like it's a great song um definitely a departure for uh for the smashing pumpkins and definitely a little spoopier than their previous stuff but but a great pick spoopier did he say spookier i would say also that's one of the songs... I said spookier. I love the chorus a lot more than the lyrics. Like a great, great chorus. Anyway.

I feel like it's a lot spookier than you anticipate a song like this sounding. And oddly danceable. Oh, you danced to that song? I danced to that. Yeah, back at McMaster. You would be like... Sure. Like kind of lurching. I would have liked to have seen that. Like I danced to that. Yeah, back at McMaster. You would be like... Sure.

Like kind of lurching. I would have liked to have seen that. Like Elaine Bennis dancing. A little bit. Witchy woman. Okay, Stu Stone, do you have a... Yeah, I do. Preface this.

Yeah, I do. I'm only familiar with Big Shiny Tunes from the first Big Shiny Tunes because I do remember after doing some research and looking in and jogging my memory, I do have vivid memories of the original campaign of Big Shiny Tunes and a band that I wasn't exactly the biggest fan of, but their song that I knew was a big deal

because it was the first song that I heard in the commercial for Big Shiny Tunes. So it was like, oh, okay, I guess these guys are big now. They're on this fucking commercial. And I remember, you know, that's sort of what made me sort of like they became legit to me because they were on this fucking commercial and i remember uh you know that's sort of what made me sort of like they became legit to me because they were in this commercial and this is the song that sort of defines big shiny tunes to me because it's the first song that is kicks off the whole campaign so let's run that

it's a big fucking jam, Stu. Well done. Take care. I mean, is there a bigger, shinier tune than this? I mean, this is the track one on disc one. Hold on, give me a moment. I fucking love it. One more astronaut in Black skin universe

One more astronaut in black skinned universe One more traveling man with heavy tired eyes Feeling cold, feeling cold Thinking around the clock of drinking on the job Other powdered food and piss bags Never having sex and growing old

growing old headspace and I've been painless weightless and I'm a saint

I close my eyes I become the sky yeah headspace and I'm a saint, I close my eyes I become the sky Headspace alone and shameless Can't wait to find the faces Left behind in a troubled time Back home, back home

Well, there you go. That's I, Mother Earth. A Canadian rock band. Sure. That has gone on to become quite an iconic band. And I think that Big Shiny Tunes, if anybody benefited from Big Shiny Tunes, it's this band. You know, they were the song in the campaign. So you heard the song on CFNY, but you also heard it on TV because of this commercial.

Didn't we kick out So Gently We Go at some point? That was on when hard bands go soft. Right. Because that was on the album with Levitate. That's right. Anyway, that was the earlier album, but go ahead. Interesting. Lots of interesting stories behind this band.

I didn't know any of these stories until I was tapped to do this episode. So it's good that I got to learn a little bit more. Okay, educate us, Stuart. I love to find out the scoop on band names, right? Like we all know Sade, that's the name of the band. Stop the fucking presses. I've been holding on to something all week. She did change her name.

You talk about Sade, yeah, I get that one. And we talk about Alice Cooper. That was the name of the band. Do you have another one? I have a new one because I'm talking to her next week and I'm doing my homework. You ready for this? Yeah. No.

Mark, are you sitting down? Mike, don't do it. I'm sitting down. Don't do it. It's kind of weird to be standing up on Zoom. Lee. Oh, no. Lee Aaron's the name of the band?

Lee Aaron is the name of the fucking band. Her name is Karen. That's fucked. And she was in a band called Lee Aaron. And she took the name of the band when she went solo. No, no, no, no, no. And I got this fun fact because I was doing homework. Cam is leaving.

He's, they're going home. They're going home. That's crazy. You know, that's crazy. Okay, so I'm sorry for interrupting, but I've been holding on to that all week. That is a fact. And I'm going to be talking to Lee Aaron on, I don't know, the last day of the month, whatever that is. That's crazy.

So look forward to Lee Aaron. And this is the time on a live TV show, which is what this is, that you... I'm speechless. What you do to my body. What you do to my body. No, not the song. She's a Karen. Her name is... She's a Karen. Wow. So Karen something or other. What you do to my body What you do to my body Yeah she's No not the song She's a Karen

Her name is She's a Karen Wow So Karen something or other But go ahead Stu Pick it up I love I Mother Earth I think they're great

I saw them pretty recently You know that's not Their real name Wait wait wait Slow down I Mother Earth Is not their real name No

Initially they were called I M E Okay I have this exact same Fun fact You do already? Should I not say it? Well, just when we talked about So Gently We Go, we talked about it.

Well, obviously, it wasn't very memorable. Completely ignored. Proving it right now. Did you completely ignore it? Okay, then I won't finish. Yeah, I won't finish it. Okay, no, no, go ahead. Go ahead.

No, go ahead, Cam. Go ahead. No, go ahead. You know. You wrote a book. Andy wants to hear it. Come on. I-M-E originally stood for I-M-Me. That was the name of the band. I-M-E. You didn. You wrote a book. Andy wants to hear it. Come on. I Am Me originally stood for I Am Me.

That was the name of the band. I Am Me. You didn't remember that, Mike. No, I forgot. Now, had I said it, you would have remembered. Yes. What's the opposite of ignored? Completely paid attention to.

That's my blog. I'm completely engaged. Later on, they decided that the letter should stand for something else, and one of the band members ad-libbed the name I Mother Earth, and boom. It was one of those moments where it was just like, wait a minute, would you say I Mother Earth? I like it! Cut to I Mother Earth! Put the hands in the middle like the Pearl Jam 10.

Even though this has been covered before, there's some friction in the band. Oh, well, we know they had a different lead singer. Of course. Wait a minute. So, you know, how that came to be. Apparently this Edwin... Edwin went solo. Well, Edwin apparently, you know,

there was creative differences in the sense that Edwin wasn't writing any of the songs. He was just coming in and singing them. Oh, he's very handsome, too. So it was very much like an Oasis type of situation, except these guys aren't brothers, but it all happened very fast for these guys. They only started playing in 1991.

By Big Shiny Tunes, they're already, this is from zero to 60 very quickly. So, you know, they had some tension there, and they got rid of him, and Edwin left the band, and then they had another guy come in and sing.

I was going to say, once he got Frosted Tips, you know, it really went to a different level well it's funny they got with alex lexon too right that's victor yes we played victor very good oh my god we got her i think we should replace please as it gets colder he can come how are you with cold backyards in like toronto decembers and januaries. Honestly, I run cold. I don't have a backyard. I have a good balcony.

A backyard would be like a luxury. I think it was the Forgotten CanCon episode. That might have been just a Cam Gordon solo joint where we talked about Victor Promise. Fun fact. I believe, if I'm not mistaken, I Am Mother Earth has other songs that appear during the series, correct?

Do they? Maybe not. Wait, Mark, I can check. I've seen Blink-182 and other bands appear several times. I feel like the song Summertime in the Void. Yeah, Summertime in the Void, which was with the new lead singer. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That was going to be a fun fact for me,

a fun fact that I just came up with that I did not read on the internet. I just came up with this right now on the fly. And we're not counting. I should have said this at the beginning. We're not counting the 90s compilation. No. I'm talking about you have the same band on the same compilation with two different lead singers. Because they did have a song in the 90s.

Yeah, okay, that's a great fun fact. And here's some more fun facts that Cam didn't tell you because he wouldn't think of these things. That guy, you know how he left the band? First of all, his name was Brian Byrne. Yeah, we just said that. Yeah, Brian Byrne. He really does ignore you. Yeah, he's a country music artist.

He left the band on some sort of like they were trying to get a hold of him and the band was sort of in between recording. It was kind of slowing down for them and he was trying to get the gig to be the Stone Temple Pilots lead singer. I think I heard this. So when they were calling him he was sort of ignoring their call

because he thought he's going to be the Stone Temple Pilots thing. That didn't work out. They end up calling Edwin back and Edwin has been back with the band ever since. I saw them back. They had a reunion show at the Phoenix. I know that Leva Famke was there. She was throwing her top on stage and everything. She really loves

I Mother Earth and it's all a happy ending for the I Mother Earth boys. Before I throw to Mark to get his reaction I just want to go for a bat for the Edwin solo material. I was a big fan of another spin around the sun and Alive. I was a big fan of another Spin Around the Sun and Alive. There were a bunch of

tripping. They have a new album coming out, by the way. They have new music that they're working on. Okay. Hang Ten was amazing. This is the defining song of I Am On The Earth. This is real quick. This is the defining song, blah, blah, blah.

It was number one on the Canadian rock and alternative and then Mark. This is real quick. This is the defining song, blah, blah, blah. It was number one on the Canadian rock and alternative music chart, but... Sorry, one more astronaut. Yes, one more astronaut. On the main chart, the main Canada chart,

where did this song land? 14. Cam? 25. 32. Oh. On the U.S. main chart, where did they land?

Whoa. I don't believe it charted. They did. What kind of chart? Like the alternate rock chart. According to my research. Like the modern rock chart? Modern rock chart.

82. Number 19. So it actually fared pretty well there. It was a pretty mild hit in the States for them. Okay. Now, Mark, we need a reaction from the expert. I Mother Earth earth one more astronaut all right do a good pick um this is like so my book is about the first the first big shiny

tunes compilation it's the one that sets the stage for the rest of them this is the first song on the first big shiny tunes compilation to me it's like the ultimate it's the kangaroo it is like the big shiny card number one And, like, not only did it introduce this compilation, but it was, like, I mean, I remember seeing I'm Other Earth and seeing this video and buying scenery and fish. And it was, like, even new for that band. Because, like, you remember Dig and Levitate and stuff. And this band, like, they looked like Sepulcher.

You know, like, they're, like, dudes with just, like, thick dreadlocks doing black and white grainy videos. Yeah. And then they come out with this brand new sound, brand new still percussion-heavy sound. And sound and like edwin has short hair he's wearing like a bowling shirt or something like that like and it's this giant massive just like alt rock song you know and um yeah you know it was new for the band and it was a fitting song to open up this brand new compilation you know one of the brightest lights in Canrock at the time

so you know what great pick like they seem to have like the full marketing machine behind them for this album and you know what I just thought of what? Sue's gonna like stab me with like a is this some time you like ran into the singer at Loblaws? No well I already

talked about when I saw Edwin at a Hoops sports bar watching a Leaf game. I love the old historical returning of VCR at Sears. Oh, that's my best story. It was actually Future Shop. I was just going to say that Big Shiny Tunes, I believe, always would come out around this time of year. It would be like a stocking stuffer. It would almost be the inverse of what Edge Fest was.

You go to Edge Fest in the summer, then Christmas or Hanukkah comes around. You get that in your stock. So it's like a six-month cycle. Edge Fest in the summer, Big Shiny Tunes in the winter. This went on for like, what, 10 years? Yeah.

That's why this show exists today. Okay. Because I realize we have lots of jams to go through. Three-hour episode. I know. We've got to get going here. Big shiny episode. Here's my first jam. Should we just say the rest of our picks and not play them? Here we go.

Oh. Alright. Some Scoobies. I have a big fun fact for this one. Everybody just call it the robbery! And the abuse! The piss moves! That's the cute every fun facts for this one. I don't remember this being like a rap. Yeah, it's very rappy.

It's a little like what? Yeah. All right, I'll bring her down. I think this is like a hook song. If it wasn't for the hook, would you really pay attention? Okay, so I thought for the first few jams I kick out anyways on this Big Shiny Jams episode that I would pick the jams. You know how you buy the compilation disc, Big Shiny Tunes, for example? But a lot of the Sloan song and some of the others, like Bush or whatever,

you have their CDs of those songs on it. This one you don't have. Right. So I thought, okay, to me, I only own this song. Fill in some gaps. On Big Shiny Tunes. Yeah, that makes sense. So you'll see with my first few selections. Is the band okay so i have uh yeah of course who the hell is the band well it's called fun

love and criminals right fun love and criminals and they're american flc and this song is from their debut album come find yourself uh and again i don't i don't think i think it's fair to say this is a bonafide new rock one hit wonder. There's no other fun loving criminal song. Well, I remember they had a song called Korea Bodega. Of course you do. You remember this? It was on CFNY like briefly.

They played it once. That was like in between like Lawrence Gowan. But we should ask Mark that. Circle back to that. He might know. He might to that. He might know. He might have some insight. So, you guys ready for the... By the way, here's two fun facts.

One is, what do you think the Scooby Snacks in the song is referring to? I don't think it's drugs. Or is it? I was going to say edible. Yeah. Good guess. Good guess. Stu, do you have a guess?

Weed. Good guess. Valium. Oh. Okay. That's. Delicious Valium. Do you have any?

Do you have any? Do you have any? Do you have any? Do you have any of Mother's Little Helper? Perks? Rolling Stones. Okay. So here's the fun.

That's a mild fun fact. Here's the real fun fact here. You guys ready? Are you guys holding hands? Oh, we're going to split a Percocet. Yeah. I have some. You keep saying that.

I never see them. Do you have a pill crusher? Okay, so you've heard, of course, you've heard clips from two of my favorite movies of all time. And there's Reservoir Dogs in there, too. Yeah, Resi. So this is an interesting fact. Quentin Tarantino Demanded

That 37% of that song's royalties And a co-writing credit Go to him Quentin Tarantino owns 37% of that song I mean technically That dialogue Quentin Tarantino wrote it And it's not

I found that I get it. But that to me is... That's kind of wild, right? When you live life to beg for... Ask for forgiveness instead of permission, then you run into these sorts of problems. If he would have worked it out ahead of time,

he could have got a better deal maybe with Tarantino. But for Tarantino to hear that on the radio on Big Shiny Tunes, Tarantino gets Big Shiny Tunes in his stocking, and all of a sudden he hears his movies in some song. He's obviously thinking, what the fuck, man? Nobody paid me for this. I'd also say he was sure he was a big fucking deal when this song came out,

which was, what, 97, 98? Of course, because he had Pulp Fiction already under his belt. Yeah, but it was still only seven years ago. He's still working in the video store writing Reservoir. So I don't know. I don't blame him. Nominated for Best Picture? Yeah, this song, it's not like a subtle sample.

It's like extensive dialogue. It kind of drives the song, too. It's like you hear, if you didn't, the song depends on its chorus. If you didn't have the Pulp Fiction part in the beginning of the song, you'd probably turn the song off before it got to the chorus.

That is such an important and tightrope part of making you pay attention to the song. Am I right? N-Word in Paris. That's what we. Am I right? N-Word in Paris. That's what we'll call the song. N-Word in Paris. You know this song. Yes. It opens with a What's that movie called? Will Ferrell and what's his name? Blades of Glory. We're going to fucking skate.

Like do they get a, does the Blades of Glory guy? They probably cleared the sample. Okay. Alright. Okay. So Mark, let's hear from you before we kick out. And then I have a question for you about Gowan on 102.1. So get ready, Mark.

What say you about Scooby Snacks? That's all that makes me think of like live to air. Is Mark going to be like, that was a bad pick on any of the songs? Well, Mark, be honest. If you think it's a shitty pick,

just say so, man. We don't care. I absolutely will. No, I fully back my response to the first two picks and this was not one of my favorite songs um and like i was gonna say that like when i had big shine tunes and i was like 13 i did not know what a scooby snack was i guess i still don't

you know like um but like and i didn't have the context right like i just i didn't like i had like i like i hadn't watched the ferternitino movies at that point. And, you know, so I was just like, I was like, what is this song? Mark's a lot younger than us. Weird rapping. But, like, in retrospect, it kind of has, like, the Ennio Morricone guitars. It's like, it has a strong chorus. Yeah, it's funky, right?

It's not bad. It's not a bad song. I really like it. As far as the song goes, I give it a good score. It's a big chorus song. Okay, but it's from the, like yours, Stuart. From the first one. It's from big chorus song. Okay, but it's from the, like yours, Stuart. From the first one. It's from the first.

Yes, Michael. It's from the first. Yes, Michael. Big shiny tunes. Paying tribute to the OG. Yes, Michael. You know what it reminds me of? The movie Swingers somehow.

Yeah, because of the bowling shirt. Yeah, like it's the same era. Of that era, for sure. Great movie, by the way. Yeah. One of the best movies of the 90s is Swingers. Big fan. You ready, Cam Gordon? I think we might mix up the order

of my songs, by the way, but that's okay. Is that why you opened with that pumpkin song? For the record, before I realized, I really screwed up. You don't have any Mind Blows, right? No, not this week. Oh, I do. Maybe that's why I screwed it up. I have verbal Mind Blows. that's why I scooted up. I'm verbal mind.

Alright, well here's the second one. It starts to get cold, Mike. Just letting you know. 1, 2, 3, 4. These are all out of order. I don't know this song. Oh, yeah. L.A. Sounds like a rap song, like the lyrics. If you were in L.A., you would have missed these guys.

This is definitely Stu's L.A. year. So this is The Salads. Salads. The Salads with the song Get Loose from 2003. Salads. The Salads with the song Get Loose from 2003. The Salads hail from Newmarket, Ontario, home of such other bands as Glass Tiger,

Tokyo Police Club, FOTM, Tyler Stewart, and the aforementioned Cereal Joe. Oh, there you go. As well as Connor McDavid. By the way, if're not like if Adams and Barbecue was in Newmarket, they wouldn't have this issue because there's no lockdown there. They'd be like two hours sitting at the table eating brisket. Yeah, no problem. Mark, where are you from?

I heard York Region. Stu and I are from Thornhill, originally. Where are you from? No way. I'm from Haydentown. I'm from Richmond Hill. Okay. Perfect. York Region, baby're a creature baby you guys

i'm so so you probably went to school with the salads or something or uh they never had a they never got a record deal right this was just like a cfny house band no no no they got a record deal um that they actually had a record called like independent maybe i don't know it's well produced no they had two songs i used to hear a lot. The Something Kung Fu. Yeah, that's right. The Roth Kung Fu. And this one. I hear them a lot. I didn't realize... I don't know. For some reason, I always thought they were like a CFNY house band.

Yeah, well, I mean, essentially, kind of, and like a much music, like Spring Break. I actually remember this. This is on their Wikipedia page. This song was also featured in a Labatt Blue commercial. That's where they made their money. Yeah, it must have played during Blue Jay games or something. The name of this album was actually called Fold A to B.

We talked about Mad Magazine Fold-Ins before, and it actually had a fold-in. What's the name of this band? What Me Worry. The Salads. Yeah. What's the name of this band? The Salads? Let me worry. The Salads. Yeah. This is shocking. They played Edgefest

in 2004. And they actually spent two weeks a year later in 2005 touring Australia opening for a band. The Presidency of the United States of America. What a double bill. The Salads and the Presidency of the United States of America. Of course. What a double bill. The Salads and the Presidency of the United States of America. They had some hits.

Ten years after they... Salads and some peaches. Yeah. Now, they had a few lineup changes over the years. In 2012, they introduced a new drummer, and this guy... Shocking. Is that even a fun fact? I get this mixed up because I feel like there's an FOTM with the same...

Darren Pfeiffer. Oh, the Pfeiffer dog. No, Goldfinger. No, but he was a DJ on 102.1 after Goldfinger. Is that what it was? Okay. From Big Shiny Tunes 8, by the way. Yeah, so he joined the Salads in 2012.

Still kind of kicking around, and their last album was, again, in 2012. Maybe I had him on the Party for Marty episode. That sounds right. That's what it is. Go ahead, Cam. Okay, their last album, 2012. A pregnant pause. Yes.

It was called Music Every Day. Had some interesting guests, including Angelo Moore. Do we know Angelo Moore from Fishbone? Oh, yeah. Okay, I saw them open up for the Stone Temple Pilots. From Fishbone, David Wilcox of Do the Bearcat fame. Of course. Laying pipe.

Mike lays pipe every night. He sure does. And the aforementioned Brian Byrne. My mother appeared on that album. How about that? There you go. How about that? I think Stu Stone has some thoughts.

Stu and then back to Mark. Well, I was listening to the lyrics of that polished song, that big shiny tune that we just heard. Polished turd. And it sounded like they were referencing a lot of hip-hop type of lyrics, like scissor and this type of thing. And now I'm looking at the release date of the song, 2003. These guys were a bit ahead of their time, which leads me to believe maybe in Newmarket,

these guys were getting into some shit. Well, there's a lot of drug abuse happening in Newmarket. Well, that makes sense because they're talking about stuff that didn't start appearing in mainstream hip-hop until two years later. Until Lil Wayne started rapping about it. I know the scissors. You know, the opioid crisis. Yeah, so something's going on. Macklemore wrote a song about it.

These guys knew all about that shit in Newmarket. Yeah, so they might have been saying they were get loose, but inside they were, you know, struggling with the demons. Sucking on the Buckleys, right? With the high-coding content. Does Buckleys have coding in it? Doesn't it?

It works. I don't know. It tastes bad, but it works. Mark, aren't you glad? I don't think it has coding, because then it wouldn't be sold like over-the-counter. That is true. Is that true?

No. What are you talking about? Coding is not an over-the-counter. Trace amounts. Trace amounts of coding in things. No, no. They'll sometimes lock up mouthwash. Mouthwash doesn't have coding in it.

I have to plead ignorance on this one. Okay, so Mark, what do you think of The Second Choice by Cam Gordon? Terrible. Okay, so despite the fact that these guys are, like, basically, you know, are, you know, like, York Region brethren. I probably went to high school with them. I might be related to one of the salads. You know, like, I remember this song when it came out. And I was like, this is so cool.

Like, what is with this, like, bare naked ladies rapping? Despite the fact that it's true. Yeah, that's a good point. They had the inside track on Cody. They had the inside track on Cissor but i never realized that but um but like i remember thinking this song was so corny at the time and but like you know what honestly like like maybe i'm just getting soft i was like this doesn't sound bad now like there you go it's the beer i was like that kind of makes sense it makes sense that they

would have fit someone from fishbone's record and like yeah and like i so like you know like after god told me brock i got really into hardcore and it's been kind of something that i've you know been tracking my entire life and like you know i've kind of come back on new hardcore bands have been coming out and like a lot of them have started to ape like alt rock and stuff and i was like this kind of sounds great in that context like there are hardcore bands who kind of sound like this now and i'm like it kind of sounds good like i i think so you know what this is similar to stylistically and i don't think this art i think this artist was out of hamilton i'm not sure toronto michael remember again. Stu will not. Perhaps Mark, you do. Kazer? Oh! Pedal to the Metal?

I loved Pedal to the Metal. I wasn't sure. Oh yeah. I was all over it. Yeah, I dug it. I dug it the most. He had a bucket hat. They sounded like a band that was built to be on a teenage comedy. Yes.

Yeah, like in the... I think this... Like an American Pie 6. That's an American Pie soundtrack song for sure. But like American Pie dorm house. Like Eugene Levy in one scene. The one that doesn't have Jason Biggs in it.

But it's not a bad... Listen. It sounds polished, it sounds well produced, and it sounded big and shiny to me, so kudos to the salads. Mark, do you think CFNY in the 1990s would have played a Gowans? I'm talking post-Smells Like Teen Spirit. Do you think CFNY would have played a Gowans song? The rebranded, let's be honest here, not Gowans. What am I saying wrong here?

Lawrence Gowans at the time. Hey, Lawrence Gowans. It was like a rebranded. It's more likely they played Gowan than Lawrence Gowan. It is an important fact because he was a rebranded, more edgier Lawrence Gowan. Mark Teo, author of Shine. Do you think that

post... Now be careful with your answers. Post-grunge CFNY would have played a song... On the overnights. By Lawrence... Yeah, Martin Streak used to kick it out at the Phoenix Would they have played a Lawrence Gowen song? And it's alright Let me hear Mark Teo, please

He's the expert He knows that it was He wrote for Ox Honestly, CFNY, like post-grunge Was completely lawless They went Sounds like a yes to me It's cop-out answer There's no limit to what they would not play Like they would That's Gowen Cross was completely lawless. Sounds like a yes to me.

There's no limit to what they would not play. Ask Alan Cross. Well, I remember when they started playing Sheryl Crow, If It Makes You Happy. I'm like, why would... Are you sure? Yes, yes, yes. Give the receipts. Michael, yes.

Yes, Michael. Yes, Michael. From now on, it's Stuart, Cameron, and Michael. Yes, Michael. Charles. This is the new format. You bring on a fourth person, we stay an extra two hours. Is there any activity in the Periscope?

Oh, I haven't looked in a while. Okay, I'm going to kick out more jams. We have to get working. Hold on, hold on. What? This is my jam. Okay, sorry. I Mother Earth was a band that I felt benefited greatly from being on Big Shiny Tunes.

I think it put them on the map. I'm going to double down and say that this band benefited as well, because I wouldn't know them if it wasn't for Big Shiny Tunes. I think it put them on the map. I'm going to double down and say that this band benefited as well because I wouldn't know them if it wasn't for Big Shiny Tunes in this particular entry. Need more friends with wings All the angels

I now put concrete in my veins Oh shit. I didn't recognize that. I'd always walk home alone. So I became lifeless just like my telephone. There's nothing to lose. Oh, and no one knows your name. There's nothing to lose When no one knows your name

There's nothing to gain But the days don't seem to change Okay, because you know the aforementioned 102.1 played the shit out of Try Honesty. Yeah, like... I mean, he aforementioned 102.1 played the shit out of Try Honesty. Yeah. I mean, he literally worked there. I feel like this must be the most played Canadian band of like the 2000, 2010 on that station. Really, they were the CFNY house band.

I mean, they were great and they had great albums and lots of success. But Ben did, I can't remember what he worked on. Something with Strongbow, I think. But he was in some capacity working at that station. Deep Roots, for sure. This is a song called Nothing to Lose by a band called Billy Talent. Nothing to Lose. You want it up?

Yeah, crank it, man. That's a big, shiny tune. It's nothing to gain But the day's all seen in time It's nothing to lose But the day comes in the time Just look at me My notebook will explain Just look at me

The backing vocals are kind of funny. 25. These guys have sold over 900,000 albums. That's almost a million albums. And we kicked out

Fall and Leaves like a month ago Yeah Autumn songs Right 900,000 albums Now think about the Sloan numbers Yeah

Now think about how much 900,000 is That's a lot of fucking records In fact when I saw Guns N' Roses At the Sky Dome Or at the Rogers Center If you will

These guys opened the show And they kicked ass They were great They are great I saw them at an Edge Fest Lots of energy Down kicked ass. They were great. They are great. I saw them at an Edge Fest. Lots of energy. Downstreet Park. They were good. So likable too. One of those bands, even if you don't like their music, I don't feel like anyone hates this band.

Now, what if I told you that much like I Mother Earth, Billy Talon wasn't originally their name. Firstly, that's not a fun fact. A lot of bands change their name. Did you know Pearl Jam was Mookie Blaylock? Of course we did, and that is a fun fact because there's a player

called Mookie Blaylock. That's what makes it fun. Finger Eleven. There is something that makes this fun. Rainbow Bumkies. Yeah, that's fun. You could do this all night long. Those are fun facts. The fact that's not fun is, oh, it's blue and it's really gray. That's not fun. What was Billy Talents' original name? Pez. Oh, I knew that.

And they were going to get sued by Pez. So they had to change their name because there was another band called Pez. So then they spelled theirs with two Z's

or Zeds if you're in Canada, which you probably are if you're listening to this. And then the candy was Pez. So they changed their name to Billy Talent and here we are. How about that?

How about that? I was going to say the Billy Talon because I feel like Billy Talon from Hardcore Logo that they're named after I think had two L's. It's always like the opposite of Pez I believe. Exactly. Wow.

This is like when you find out that Rhymes of Orange gave their H to head. There's some controversy surrounding this Big Shiny Tunes album. I just want to like let you know about it.

What volume is this from? This is from volume 10. Wow. There is some controversy. The album did... What year are we talking? This is from 2005 or 6, I would say.

I like it when he crouches over the keyboard like he's got this... He just discovered something. No no I just discovered this now this was not in my original notes so this is a live discovery and even Mark didn't know about this in his fucking book here's an important question Stu

this is serious Stu your LA years were the same years Billy Talent shot to superstars were they popular in LA? No, no. Did anyone know what this was? No, no.

Not even Try Honesty. Because Try Honesty, I feel, might have... No, no. Zero. Yeah. Okay. Give us that fun fact

before we hear Mark's... Fun fact about this edition of Big Shiny Tunes, Big Shiny Tunes 10, I couldn't even find the official sales records because there's controversy surrounding this edition

because when the album was advertised to people to buy it, it was advertised as having songs by Green Day, Audio Slave, System of a Down, Arcade Fire, Beck, and the Foo Fighters. And none of those people are on the album. So there was lots of returns involved and complaints when people purchased the purchased with the wrong track listing came out. It's like Carb Abrams, UHF. Mark, are you aware of this controversy? I was not aware. This is news to me. Okay, that is a fucking fun fact.

Breaking news. That is fun as hell. That is... good job. It's definitely loaded with a lot of big shiny tunes on it, but none of those. It's not even one band. It's like the sixth biggest rock band for the year. And none of them are on the album. Wow.

Like the Arcade Fire, I don't think would ever sign off on being on this. They're not on it. Yeah, which makes sense. Oh, they totally weren't aware. This is good. So maybe somebody got fired over that, or maybe there was like You know

Maybe this is sort of like The beginning of the end I'll just say Jennifer Hollett Left Much Music The next week I'm just saying My friend

Well there was only four more Big Shiny Tunes series After this debacle And those ones Sold You know It starts to go downhill It starts to jump off a cliff

We're in the Napster era now Like this is hardcore It starts to jump off a cliff. We're in the Napster era now. This is hardcore. It starts to jump off a cliff pretty fast. The last Big Shiny Tunes album that sold anything of relevance was 50,000 units. So that's a big departure. What year did that come out?

That would have been in 2007 or 8. Because I feel like the compilation dies when Napster arrives, right? Because you can just cherry pick those one songs. I'm just saying. So maybe, you know. It absolutely does.

I don't know. It's like featuring Drake, BTS, Adele. Thoughts on the Billy Talon selection? Okay, let's hear from Mark Teo, our expert on Big Shiny Tunes. What do you think of Billy Talon, Nothing to Lose? I think it's a great pick. Okay, well, second straight song that has a local connection, because I think Ben from this band lives in my neighborhood.

Oh, perfect. Which is Ronsonville. Love it. So, you know, and I will say, though, that despite that, do not love this song. It's like, I mean, Billy Talents, I think one of the issues I always have with them is they got kind of stanky vocals. You know, they have like, and the gang vocals just don't seem right. Like, I feel like gang vocals should be shouted, not sang. And if we're really picking the biggest, shiniest, big

Shining Tunes song, we're going back to 2004. We're going back to Try Honesty. I think it's the wrong era of Billy Pelin. And Mark, what do you mean gang vocals? It's like a group when they're yelling. Oh, like Def Leppard? Yeah. I feel like gang vocals

are meant to be shouted, not sang. Okay, gotcha. Break the convention, sure. I feel like gang homes are meant to be shouted, not sang. Okay, gotcha. You know, break the convention, sure. I respect that. Yeah. You know, I didn't even tell you guys you're shitting on a song. I don't want to tell you, Mark. You're going to not sleep well tonight.

Did you know that every single time that that song got played on the radio, Billy Talent donated $1 to the Canadian organization The Kids Help Phone. I remember the video had the phone number. $1 for every single time that it played. That's probably more money than they fucking made on the record they donated to the Children's Help Phone because the song is about

teenage suicide and mental health. Like Adam's song by Blink-182. Or Runaway Train by SolarCell. Way ahead of their time as far as calling attention to mental health. That was like kids. So, you know, while you say that. You obviously know that.

Obviously the group yelling and screaming. He's my neighbor, basically. He's my roommate. Does he yell to you like, turn down the music? Like when your music's too loud. Yeah, absolutely. He's going to start yelling. He's going to start banging on Come on, that was funny.

He's going to start banging on the walls of the room. That was like really good. Would you go get him and put him on the Zoom call? That's a high-level joke. Can I borrow some sugar? Okay, so I'm going to preface my second jam because we've got to move along. This will be the longest episode ever.

I did Fun Loving Criminals off the top because I only owned it on Big Shiny Tunes. This is another jam. I never owned this band's anything, but this one single, which I thought was a guilty pleasure and I liked, I only owned it on Big Shiny Tunes. Here we go.

Name of the band, Bon Jovi. Mark. Mark's going to hate this song. I don't even know what this is. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that Alanis? Has an Alanis vibe. This song's still very popular. I hate this song. Alanis?

Is this Leigh-Anne? The band with Leigh-Anne. It's Catherine Wheel. Oh, I know this song. Yeah, that's a good song. It's another hook song. American Pie, like Valley House. It was another Jason Biggs movie.

I think it was called Loser. Yes, it was called Loser. With Nina Saveri from American Beauty. He was wearing a hat almost like this. He was a loser. Yeah, I don't know if Weedus ever had anything else make the charts. I don't know. I'd say they were a one-hit wonder.

Good song. Much like... All hook a one-hit wonder. Good song. Much like... All hook. Fun-loving criminals here. So, okay. So, Teenage Dirtbag, by the way, was written by Brendan B. Brown, who's the guitarist. And he does the vocals. And he does try to do like a...

Wait, that's a guy singing? All of it's a guy. The same guy. Shut up. Yeah. I thought that was a woman singing. No. Yeah, you thought it was Atlantis. That's a guy singing? All of it's a guy. The same guy. Shut up. I thought that was a woman singing. No. Yeah, you thought it was Atlantis.

That's a guy? Wow, turn that up. This is some air supply type of shit. That's a guy? I thought this was a girl group for sure. How old is this guy? Like 14? How old is this guy?

Like 14? This was a lot cooler to me when I thought it was like a Fifi Dobson song. Oh, bye-bye boyfriend. Wow, that's a guy? I saw her at an Edge Fest once too. Listen to the lyrics in the verse. When he sings in the verse. Am I the only one that thought?

No, he's trying to do that, I guess. It's a guy. It's a fella. The video is just clips from Loser, right? Largely. He kind of looks like the guy from... I thought that that was a fucking lady singing this whole time. He looks like the new Radicals guy.

So there are a couple of controversial lyrics. Oh, the Kangol hat. Wow. There are some controversial lyrics. I'm shocked. Shout out to Renny. Her boyfriend's a dick. He brings a gun to school Sorry this is in the movie?

No it's in the song Her boyfriend's a dick Periscope agrees with me They thought it was a female vocalist too No this is a dude Brendan B. Brown doing all the lyrics That's some sensitive subject matter So some modern If you hear it on a radio station This is a dude, Brendan B. Brown, doing all the lyrics to that. That's some sensitive subject matter.

So some modern, like sometimes if you hear it on a radio station, you might maybe a clear channel station or something. Oh, here, this part you're going to hear. This is also the same dude, right? The lithium channel. That's a guy? It's the same guy. It's all the same guy. Sounds like Di Antwoord.

Is he 12 years old? He's imitating a woman's voice. That's not... I don't think you're right. I assure you, all the lyrics are this guy. I tell you. Yeah, Teenage Dirtbag. Is he just a kid, though?

I know. He's an adult. I bet they might have played with the pitch a bit. This is really fucking with my head. Okay, here's another fun fact. We talked about mistaken jams and stuff. Now, a lot of people get confused because there's three bands of similar names

and they get all messed up. And a lot of people think this might be Weezer. No, they don't. I'm telling you, let me finish. Weedus, Weezer, and Ween. These three bands, some people get confused. There was also a band just called Wheat. Wheat.

I know Wheat Kings. Yeah, of course. Not a big shiny tune. Brandon Hockey Team. Yes. Brandon Wheat Kings. Yeah, absolutely. Brandon Manitoba.

Yeah, that's right. The Paris of the Prairies. This is a 90s song, right? Yeah, that's a 90s. Okay, so that's from number five. Teenage Dirtbag is from Big Shiny Tunes 5. And I went out of order, too. So, Cam, I'm back on track for you.

I did screw up your order. That was your song, Cam, or that was Mike's song? That was Mike's song. That was my song. Can I give you some Periscope updates, or do you don't want them? Give us Periscope. I do want them. And then we're going to kick out Cam's third jam.

Okay. I'm ready. Well, in reference to us doing a morning show, someone, a Rome phone, said, but then you'd have to get up in the morning, Stu. So they know me very well. Hello, FOTMs. Sheila sounded great.

She does sound great. Big shiny tunes, one hat at all. Good album. Edwin at his best. Yeah, and he's handsome, right? I find that you look like Eric Lindros. I said this before. I don't know what the... He had like the clefty chin.

Yeah, he had that Eric chin. I feel like I mentioned this last time, but I remember around the time that his first solo album came out, there was an article in the Toronto Star, which, Mark, I feel like that's where you and I once spoke. Did you work for the star at some point? I did.

Yeah, I worked for the star for a couple of years. Like sort of in a production. Yeah. Okay. I feel like you and I crossed paths. That might have been the first time you and I chatted. You guys can take this offline. Anyway, point being that in like, anyway, another spin around the sun, there was an

article about musicians aren't doing drugs anymore. They're going on tour with personal trainers and there was all this shit about Edwin like his workout regime and then there's a picture of like Jennifer Lopez like dancing on stage but looking like very fit yes yeah she still

looks fit she looks great so does he I'll bet you Edwin's bar routine is nuts it's like cocktail the movie what's the bar called again? Rock something? Tattoo Rock Parlor I don't think it's around In reference to the fun fact That was spouted out earlier

That fun fact hurts mind blown In reference to Cam wanting to kick out my chair Stu's always wonderful Yeah please go ahead and kick the chair out From that other guy. It's not Cambrillo. It's a woman named Liz. Liz. Oh. I like Liz.

Liz is a big fan of yours. Great Sepultera reference. Who made that reference? It's gotta be Cam. No, that wasn't me. Oh, maybe Mark. Yeah, with regards to IME. Yeah, no, I'm on the Earth. The comment section is like legit on fire. I can't wait for the Gowan question No, that wasn't me. Oh, maybe Mark. Yeah, with regards to IME. Yeah, no, I'm on the earth world.

We're like sepulchral. The comment section is like legit on fire. I can't wait for the Gowan question. And then once the question was asked, Lawrence Gowan for sure. It was for the record. That was a noncommittal answer from Mark. He's a strange animal. I think I got, I think I, oh, okay. Andy Pandy said that she also thought it was a female vocalist on that last song.

Wow, you're both wrong. Someone said the Silver Sand pickups also sounded like a woman. Oh, yeah. That's a great song, too. I felt the same thing about Air Supply. I was kind of shocked about Air Supply. Whoa. What happened there?

What's the whoa for? Oh, Weezer covered Teenage Dirtbag because so many people thought it was a Weezer song. So why did you shit on me for that fun fact? Grogowski's kid is watching. I like this. That was Cambrio. I love Grogowski's kid is watching. That was Cambrio. Cambrio, my dog, came hard with that. The good Cam.

The good Cam. D-A-W-G. Cam Carpenter. Come on. Anyway, there you go. Shout out to Grogowski's son. Yes, sir. He's got to go.

Hold on, Mark's got to go. He's had enough. Yep. Oh, no. I was actually going to say, i'm surprised i hate that song because that is one of my favorites oh oh wow like like this guy like we're talking about american american pie 19 song that is one of those yeah that's like a bull that's what loser was road trip three it sounds incredible yeah loser was just trying to be an american pie

that's why they had Jason Biggs in there. I see Breckenmeyer's face. Oh, yeah, from Clueless. Good one. Mark, do you have a favorite song? I want to ask you this question before I forget. Of all the compilations. Well, why are you asking him?

What if the song gets played? Then he'll get to say it. Because I'm going to forget. It's a great question. I think you should put that on ice. I've been treated very unfairly. Why don't we close with that question? I'm going to forget.

It forces Mark to stick around. Okay, let's get back in order with the Mayfair's. So we're going to kick out the third jam for Cam Gordon. Thank you. Decent pick, Mike. And I only owned it on Big Shiny Tunes. That was the whole point of that. Okay.

The first female artist. Alanis Morissette's Lost Tracks. Okay, we're back on track here. Okay. I have things to say about this. I love this song. I actually forgot about this song until right this second. I think most people forgot about this band.

I'm going to download this on my telephone. I always like pets I forgot about this song until this second It rocks This could have been in Summer Jams I think it'd be turned up a little bit louder Yeah, it's a low volume recording. This is a real soft, loud song. Yeah.

Where they kind of invert the chords. It's nice. Yeah, that's right. It's like anti-grunge. So this is porno for pyros. That's right. We've got a Tahitian Moon from the album Good God's Urge, Summer of 96, also from the first ever Big Shiny Tunes.

We've each kicked out a jam from number one. That's right. That's important. Some fun facts about porno for pyros. I feel like we don't need to go over the Eden Music Fest memories that Stu and I had. It was DJ Farbsy there. Yes, we started that right. It was DJ Farbsy there.

Yes, we started that right. DJ Farbsy was there on stage, I believe, on the Saturday just before Bush and just before. Bush X. Just after Bush was, I believe, the Tragic Layup was none other than Perry Farrell and Porno for Pyros touring this album, I think, on that tour with the great. I was going to say the late great. He's still around. Mike Watt on bass which is very cool I remember being really excited for this set

because I was a pretty big Jane's Addiction and Porno for Pirates fan a little underwhelmed by if that's a word it's a song by Sloane I know it's not because I looked it up there you go this song actually went to number

I see what you did there this song actually went to number I see what you did there. This song actually went to number 20 on the Billboard Hot 100, not the Modern Rock charts. Thank God. That's the real chart. That's the big Billboard chart. Which could very easily be a Wikipedia error. Never make a mistake.

I have a hard time believing that. Video is filmed in Tahiti. Who cares? Tahiti treat. Delicious soft drink. Yeah. Very tasty. Very tasty.

Problematic? I don't know. There's indigenous peoples on the... Like cultural approval? I don't know. Can we maybe turn on this heater? I'm getting cold. Are you getting cold?

Those LA years have ruined Stu still. I'm okay. I'm pretty fired up. Do you have any regrets? Do you wish you just stayed here? There. I wish I stayed there. Okay, so Stu mentioned he's not thought of this song in many

years until right now. Now, do you guys remember? I'm guessing you don't. What was the last song that Porno for Pyros released before they broke up? Because this was a song even I did not remember and then I saw it on Spotify. I'm like, holy shit, that song.

Okay, remind me. Is it Pets? No, that was one of the first big songs. I'm curious if Mark remembers this. Hard Charger. How does that go? Which was on the soundtrack to the Howard Stern movie, Private Parts. Good movie.

That was essentially when they transitioned back to Jane's Addiction because it featured Flea and Dave Navarro. Wait, Flea and Dave Navarro were in Jane's Addiction because it featured Flea and Dave Navarro. Wait, Flea and Dave Navarro were in Jane's Addiction? Yeah, so that was like 97, 98. And I don't know if you guys know this, Porno4Par was actually reunited this year.

They played, there was a digital Lollapalooza event called Lolla 2020. He created Lollapalooza. That's right, Perry Farrell did. And they did like a whole virtual online festival that I remember because we were live streaming part of it on Twitter.

I have a good question for Mark. But they actually reunited Porno for Pyros. Perry Farrell, Stephen Perkins, who was also in Jane's Addiction, Mike Watt, and Peter DeStefano, who had a big cancer scare as well as a big heroin scare around the time this song was recorded

the four of them got together and played on a YouTube broadcast event over the summer totally missed it but I do remember hearing they were getting back together to do this one off this summer, summer COVID speaking of Lollapalooza, Mark Teo in your humble opinion

do you think that James B is famous? does he know who James B. is? Let's start with that. I do not. Do you know who James B. is? No, he doesn't, so that answers that question. No, I do not.

That answers the question. Please explain. No, we've heard enough here, Mark. I don't know either, so don't feel bad. Okay, Mike, I would say this. I'm Googling this right now. This is a good test because here's Mark Tio. Freelance music writers

written a book about music, worked at Ox, worked at the Toronto Star, written for all the best music publications. He's got his ear to the ground. Still doesn't know who James B is. Now I'm guessing everything. Not fucking famous. I'm sorry. I mean, famous in Toronto, Mike.

Famous to me. Like 1236 and Cam Gordon and Stu Stoner are famous in the same way. Bojana is famous to me. Bojana. Bojana's probably more famous. If you're Googling James, put a Z at the end of that. Okay, Mark, this is a part two question.

Do you know the look people? No. No, okay. No, he doesn't know. Not famous. Not famous. Played Lollapalooza. Yeah, just don't even worry about these questions.

They're dumb. But do you know what a... Hold on, let Mark finish. This could be also a thing I just missed, you know? Because like... But do you know what a fruit roll-up is? A fruit roll-up is a delicious treat. See, he knows.

Of course. Do you know what hypercolor is? Are you guys doing it? I'm trying to figure out Mark's age. No, I know how old he is. Are you? Yeah, of course. I've done my research.

We've got like 10 to 15 years on him. No, he's handsome. Anyway, Mark, the Look People played the second stage of Lollapalooza, I believe in 1992, in Barry One Show. One of the few Canadian bands who ever played the tour. Cam was one of the few people in the tent watching. I was like 15. So I was not there.

My sister was there, though. I want to talk about my next song, if you don't mind. Okay, let's hear it from Stu Stone. Now, we have a comment that's quite timely that comes from one of my real favorites of the FOTMs, a gentleman by the name of Steve. You know Steve Leggett? Yeah, I know Steve Leggett on Twitter.

Yeah, you know Leggy? Of course. He says, is there any chance that Stu won't be playing the bad touch? The answer is no. There's no chance. He called my shot. Also, Mark mentioned... Shut up. He called my shot. Also, Mark mentioned Bloodhound Gang.

He mentioned these guys when I played Fun Loving Criminals. We've got a theme here. Bloodhound Gang. That's a theme. Yeah, Bloodhound Gang. Also, I hadn't

done a hypercaller in a while and I need to get one of those. Yeah. I'm sure they've rebooted those. Those are cool. Adam Seidelberg had a few. Sweat, to get one. Yeah, I'm sure they've like rebooted those. Those are cool. Adam Seidelberg.

Sweat, baby, sweat, baby, sex is a Texas drought. Me and you do the kind of stuff that only Prince would sing about. So put your hands down my pants and I'll bet you'll feel nuts. Yes, I'm Cisco. Yes, I'm good. And you're getting two thumbs up. You've had

enough of two and touch. You want it rough. You're out of bounds. I want you'll feel good. You and me, baby, ain't nothing but mammals, so let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel. You and me, baby, ain't nothing but mammals, so let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel. Well, here you go. The Bad Touch. Bloodhound Gang, it doesn't really hold up. It kind of sounds like a silly song now, but at the time, this was considered pretty cool and out there in an era of Tom Green and Jackass, or maybe even a little bit before that. But the music video features these guys walking around in monkey suits, dry humping people and jumping around in fountains and doing sexually suggestive type of Benny Hill type humor. One of these type of...

Love Benny Hill. type of Benny Hill type humor. One of these type of... Love Benny Hill. You know, we were talking about acts that break in... You know, this is an American act that broke in Europe before it broke here. Oh. Remember how the Backstreet Boys broke here before America?

Bloodhound Gang were very popular in the United Kingdom and then Canada before the United States. That's true. How about that? This song is a number... Wiseblood says he disagrees. Well, that's fine. What's up with the Beatles? This song is a number one. Wiseblood says he disagrees. Well, that's fine. This song is a fucking smash.

Now, I wouldn't think of it, but it is a number one song in Germany, Ireland, Italy, Norway, Scotland, Spain, Sweden, top ten hit in Austria, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Switzerland, UK, Australia, New Zealand, number nine in Canada, number 52 in the United States. So not a big hit in America, despite the music video being hit. They found it silly and immature. Well, it was popular on MTV. I remember the video. It was all over the music television. It was popular on MTV. I remember the video. It was all over.

It was a big fucking jam. I think the video actually was one of those videos that got banned and that's why it became popular. Stu, this is like 2002 I'm guessing? What volume of Big Shiny Tunes? This is from Big Shiny Tunes 5.

I think it's from 1999. Wow. Big Shiny Tunes 5. I feel it's from 1999. 1999. Wow. Shockingly early. Big Shiny Tunes 5. And I feel like this band had another song. I don't recall. Oh, they did like the Roots. Firewater Burn? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Roots. This is from 99-2000. And they used

that in Fahrenheit 9-11, as I recall. That's right, yeah. Just like George Clinton. Fun fact. Are you ready for a fun fact, guys? The Bloodhound Gang got their name from a popular kids program called

3-2-1 Contact. I remember that. That featured the Bloodhound Gang, a detective solving mysteries. Did you ever do a voice for that show? I didn't, but I definitely watched 3-2-1 Contact. I know Cam had a subscription to the magazine. I did. Did you have a subscription to Chickadee? I was in the commercial for definitely watched 321 Contact. I know Cam had a subscription to the magazine. I did. Did you have a subscription to Chickadee?

I was in the commercial for Chickadee and Owl. I definitely did. I had a drawing in Owl of a snail. It was a terrible drawing. Do you have a copy? I want to see it. My dad carried in his briefcase for like 20 years. Like, hand to God, that happened.

He was so proud. That's actually really adorable. Yes, he was God that happened. He was so proud. That's actually really adorable. Yes. He was a good dad. Big Shiny Tunes has sold about two and a half million copies combined. All of them combined. Bloodhound Gang. And really all in Canada, too. Yes.

Bloodhound Gang on just that one album. Six million albums. Wow. So Bloodhound Gang wins this round and is this album called hooray for boobies yes yes and uh you know what as somebody as somebody that dabbled in the music industry uh many moons ago to have a hit in that many countries these guys made money they could tour to all of those places and sell tickets and T-shirts and fucking schmattas and whatever they wanted.

So God bless them. Do you think they're still, like they still must be getting some royalties. I know they have fans beyond that song. Like that's their like, smells like teen spirit. Like the real Bloodhound Gang fans are like, that song's terrible. You know, they don't like this song. That's their Bare Naked Ladies one week. Yeah, or like.

Where the real Bare Naked Ladies fans are like, we don't even like that song. That's right. But that's the song that breaks them. Radio Crepe. Crepe. The song where the real fans come back around on it, though, right? Where Bare Naked Ladies fans come back like 10 years later and like one week is actually a sick jam.

Like it becomes... It's so overrated, it's underrated. And I think both... Guys, you guys are missing this big one. But Bloodhound gang uh the bad touch and one week by bare naked ladies both reference the x files and their lyrics that's right you know who i get this band mixed up with um alien ant farm oh but i only know them for the smooth criminal i think they're like a pure one hit wonder okay yeah so are we okay uh a bad new

metal man yeah and mark you're okay with Bloodhound Gang as a selection or not? Let's hear from you. I will say this came out in 99. I would have been in high school at the time. As a profoundly stupid human being who was in high school

who was into Adam Sandler movies and stuff like that, This song was great. It was a jam. It was a fun, silly song. All the small things video was all I wanted in life. He's about 36 or 37. Good guess, yes.

Yep. I worked at Wonderland too. I did the booth where they... The ladies always five years less. Yeah, you had to. Oh yeah, I used to work at the C&E. I used to watch them do it.

I used to work at Wonderland and I had to do this. Oh, you did? I used to dominate that game because I looked so young. I used to go and I used to win every fucking time. They'd be like 12 and I'd be like 21. Wait, wait. You guys talk among, Mark, you, I, where, where did you work at Wonderland? You guys should take this offline.

So I worked in the games department in Wonderland for like a year, for like a summer, you know, York region, right? It's one of the York region jobs you get. And I definitely worked in the, in the section that had like the karaoke and the age guessing game. And like, I remember just like listen we don't care if you lose money like just like

don't just like you know just like it's like a 70 year old lady walks up and you're like 41 and she's like oh aren't you sweet yeah anyway Mark I worked at a Al Porn Al Porn was not a porn shop it's like Al Porn is like called Al Porn like funnel cakesorn? It's not a porn shop. It's like Al Porn.

Was it called Al Porn? Like funnel cakes. Was Rudy Giuliani doing a press conference there? Yeah, so I worked there, and I also worked at the Backpage Grill. What? Backpage? You worked at the Backpage Grill? Backpage and Al Porn?

Those are both too scantily. Okay, no, I have a good music story. I don't watch this for days. Okay, I've got a good music story about the Backpage Grill. This is worth it. That sounds like a porn meetup where you can meet escorts. The Backpage Grill.

The Backpage Grill. Is that a strip club? Do you realize we have a lot of jams to go on? This is good. The Backpage Grill had a CD jukebox that no one would ever put money in. If you didn't put money,

it would play a song like just every 20 minutes or so, just so you know. The song they would play was Soundgarden, Pretty Noose. Yeah. So we heard that song 25 to 30 times a shift,

times five days a week, times the entire summer. Wow. So every time I hear that song, I have a reaction to it. A haunting song in retrospect. Yeah. Here's the thing. Do you like it or hate it now? That's a good song. I don't

dislike it but I can't listen to it. It's like a Pavlovian reaction. Like Stockholm Syndrome. Yes. You fall in love with your captor. I don't know. I became tumescent. Okay. We got be like Stockholm Syndrome. Yes. You fall in love with your captor. I don't know. I became tumescent. Okay, we've got to get rocking here.

Much like with Fun Loving Criminals and Wheatus, this is a band, I think it's a bigger band than those two, but this is a band, I didn't own any

of their material, but I enjoyed very much this song that I had on a big shiny tune. What's that? It's like all one hit wonders. Here we are.

Well. That's good. Oh. Love this thing. A friend in needs, a friend indeed A friend with weed is better A friend with breasts and all the rest A friend who's dressed in leather Dude, I didn't know this big jam.

Is it Canadian Ben? No, bumper stuffper Stumpers. That's the song. Okay, I really like this song. This is called Pure Morning by Placebo. I can't believe this was on Big Shiny Tunes. In fact, let me tell you, Cameron, this was on number three. Wow.

I know number two is the biggest selling point. Is that the chorus? It's just a guitar shot? It's pure morning here. This song's a bit menacing, too. So, yeah, I'll pick it up again at the chorus. So this is a British band. They're from England.

And this is from their second album Without You I'm Nothing and I do believe they had a lot of like British hits like hits in the UK but I don't believe they had any other hits on this side

of the pond. I think they had like a few minor like they were always quite popular here but like I don't think they had many other songs on the radio

beyond kind of dusting. They had a song called like Every You and Every Me and a few other minor hits. They were great. I mean, they're still

around. They're still good. When I picked this, I was thinking, I bet you Cam loves these guys. Yeah, they're awesome. But this song, I mean, I just always, for the first time I heard it on the radio, I dug this jam. It's got that great... I feel like when this came out,

it was that weird middle ground between grunge and like all the new metal stuff. So like, you'd hear something like this on the radio, especially something like this, that was probably in like fairly heavy rotation really stood out. Um, and it was like for the record, Stu was in LA at this time. So maybe it wasn't as big there,

but here, this was high rotation CFNY material. This was even before Coldplay. I feel like Travis... I would say this is also electronic era, too, and you can kind of hear it where they almost have the weird

drum and bassy intro, which is the percussion. You're like, yeah, this is a unique sound of Xaw. I could see like Martin Streak mixing this with like Massive Attack, Teardrop. It sort of all goes together. Alright, so we won't even go to Stu, because he doesn't

know this song at all. I don't know this song. I remember that I feel like this band was actually, what was that Limp Bizkit did that package tour, Family Values Tour? Yeah, Family Values. I used to buy those compilations too. I feel like Placebo was actually, what was that? Limp Bizkit did that package tour. Family Values Tour. Yeah, Family Values. I used to buy those compilations, too. Yeah, I feel like Placebo was on one of those tours.

Like, they're weird crossovers. Want me to ask Lethal? Wait, they had a new band crossover? I can ask him. Go ahead. I'll be like, do you know the band Placebo? Did they ever, he would know. Yeah, but he'll know this song.

It was a big radio hit. Like, they were a weird band that I feel like like if you like sort of the british indie stuff you could be into but also if you like chemical or my chemical romance and all that shit and uh poison the well and like all the emo because they were sort of i think the emo kids kind of like this band if i'm all right i don't know i was i was like 20 but so we have uh just to let mark know so stew is now reaching out to DJ Lethal, who you might remember from Cypress Hill or House of Pain. No, definitely not Cypress Hill. No? No, definitely House of Pain.

Oh, Muggs, I'm thinking of Muggs. House of Pain, Limp Bizkit. Okay. Not Cypress Hill. That was DJ Muggs, right? Yes. Okay, my apologies. Different DJ altogether.

I got my DJs wrong. So text him, too. Okay, well, text them all. Okay. So, Mark, what are your thoughts on Placebo's Pure Morning? He does know them, by the way. He said, yeah, old school. Yeah.

Yeah. Should I ask if you ever toured with them? I didn't think much of the song at the time. It sounds really great in retrospect. Yeah. And it's really weird, but I think that probably during this era would have been one of those young guys. And I didn't really listen to them, but maybe I should have.

It's a pretty good song. Like, it's a lot more interesting them but maybe I should have. It's a pretty good song. It's a lot more interesting than I think I initially anticipated. Mark, it's a big shiny jam. So Stu, give that update so we all know what that is. Cam is right. Lethal says yeah, he played with them a bunch. This is becoming like a real signature episode. This is great.

I love this. A lot of comments. We have a great guest. This wouldn't happen on Zoom. I know Mark's here on Zoom. I just asked, any good? Okay, we're going to wait for that. Let's kick out the fourth jam. I'm still here. I just walk around. No worries, because I had to change screens anyway, so I can only hear you now.

Fourth jam from Cam Gordon. Oh, yeah. I like this. Is this Faith by George Michael? Would be nice if I could touch your body. Anything that starts with an organ or whatever. In the God of the Viggo. Oh yeah.

This song kicks ass. This is a good song. Sounds like Weezer Yeah yeah yeah it does I still don't know what it is I've heard this song before Wait till the refrain It's like

It's like a similar pattern to what that just was But I don't know the name of the band Is it like My Chemical Romance Or one of these type of bands We'll get to that in a second. Yeah, I know this song. Okay, we're listening to the All-American Rejects. Ah, I got some fun facts. The name of the song is Swing Swing.

This song was released in December of 2002. I do apologize. So this probably puts us at Big Shiny Tunes 7? I'll confirm while you give us more fun facts. This band is out of Stillwater, Oklahoma, not to be confused with the Stillwater from, uh, almost famous. Fever dog.

Yeah. Um, I, I did this last time. I enjoyed this. I'm going to do this again. Some other famous residents of Stillwater where, where the all American rejects hail from include Garth Brooks. Big star. Big star.

Uh, for all you baseball fans, Matt Holiday. Oh my God. Colorado Rockies. Damn. He changed positions. Actor James Marsden. Big deal. Yeah, of course.

Big deal. And I think I mentioned this once. My cousin Tori once starred in a very short-lived Canadian sitcom called Boogie's Diner. Okay. I remember Boogie's Diner. Why do I know that show? James Marsden was in it. The star of it was Jim J. Bullock. I, I remember Boogie Steiner. Why do I know that show? James Marsden was in it. The star of it was Jim J. Bullock.

I think I auditioned for that show. And also Monica Schneer. I think I auditioned for Boogie Steiner. I have a couple of quick things. Boogie Steiner. I'm producing a podcast for Bingo Bob Willette. Okay. We dropped an episode Thursday morning, Bob talking to Monica Schneer.

Okay, ask her about Boogie Steiner. Okay, secondly is I watched Too Close for Comfort. Okay. Secondly is, I watched Too Close for Comfort. Sure. Okay. Do you remember Too Close for Comfort? Yes. Of course. It's like Ted Knight, right?

Ted Knight, right. Of course. Jim J. Bullock was a big deal on that show. He was. Hollywood Square is regular as well. That's right. Now, was he, I feel like he was like,

like he came out of the closet and that was a big deal. I don't know if he ever came out, but he was super gay. Can you be super gay. I don't know if he ever came out, but he was super gay. Can you be super gay? I don't know, Cam, can you? You just did. You just did.

Anyway, one more famous resident of Stillwater, Oklahoma. The former Secretary of State under the outgoing President Donald J. Trump, Rex Tillerson. Also the chairman of what, Exxon? Has he been pardoned yet? He's probably next after General Flynn. And Trump tweeted today, like, have a great Thanksgiving, General Flynn. Nice on it.

Lethal wasn't a huge fan of that band, by the way. Okay, for the record. He said that they had a following, though. Just not his thing. You must have missed it. Maybe K-Rock wasn't playing in it. But it was a big jam. A few more fun facts about Swing Swing.

Went to number 60 on the Billboard Hot 100, number 99 in the UK. This song was actually the biggest charting position it had. It was actually in Scotland. Again, based on what's on Wikipedia, which is probably incomplete. Went to number 10 in Scotland. Wow.

I have some... Well, you know, UK, they're big. I'm number 10 in Scotland. Wow. UK, they're big. Cam remembers seeing this song during the Major League Baseball All-Star game. When I said UK, that's placebo. We've moved on to the All-American Rejects. They're definitely not from the UK. Anyway, this song was used in some baseball

compilations, obviously. Of course, some cricket compilations too, probably the swing swing thing. Oh, yeah, you can swing a bat, of course. And some cricket compilations, too, probably. Yeah, so, okay, a couple more fun facts. The video of this song was directed by someone named Marco Sega, who also directed, talk about, like, big, shiny tunes, bands, also directed videos for Weezer, System of a Down, P.O.D., Papa Roach. Oh, I never P.O.D. And Blink-182. He also directed a film called... P.O.D., Papa Roach, and Blink-182.

He also directed a film called... P.O.D. makes me feel alive. It sure does. Also directed a film, I don't remember this, and I'm surprised they don't, because it's named after an R.E.M. song called Pretty Persuasion that starred Evan Rachel Wood, Ron Livingston,

and the noted Trump supporter, James Woods. Okay, I can do this. Ready? That woman, Evan Rachel, what's her name again? The Wood? Evan Rachel Wood. She and James Marsden, they star in the Westworld together. Okay.

That's all I got. She's so good in Westworld, too. She's like the best part of it. Lethal's trying to figure out when he played the show with them now. I good in Westworld, too. She's like... Yeah. The best part of it. Lethal's trying to figure out when he played the show with them now. I love this DJ Lethal. He's telling them

to come on the Zoom. We've got to get him on. He could join Mark on the Zoom call. I love he has a relationship with DJ Lethal. Well, do you know... They have a big shiny tune.

Mark Teo, do you know who... Limp Bizkit is on big shiny tunes. They are. I believe you. A couple of times. Maybe twice. Okay. Of course. Take a look around. The expert says yes. Mark, do you realize you're the presence of greatness They are I believe you Yeah I think maybe Maybe twice Okay

Of course Take a look around The expert says yes Mark do you realize You're the presence of greatness That you're on a call With Stu Stone This guy's a big fucking deal

Shout out to Lindsay By the way Who's watching And she loves all of these bands My sister It's not your sister It might be But Lindsay's in bed naked

Watching this right now So that's a little bit Provocative Is that true It is true That's exciting It is exciting. Right?

Wow. Obviously, we couldn't do that because we'd freeze to death. Yeah. Well, my mic's ringing. Anyway, one more fun fact about this. Naked Lindsey. Can I give you guys some more?

Okay, here's like Cam's like nerdy, the shifting of the music industry. Lindsey could be a guy's name. Could be, I hope. A unisex name. That's what I'm hoping. Lindsey's a unisex name. Lindsey Graham.

Speak of Rex Tillerson. be i hope unisex that's what i'm hoping lindsey's a unisex lindsey graham um speak of rex tellerson um this song was featured in three different video games and when this song came out also we were talking about you know going from radio and much music to more like spotify and streaming also like stuff debuting like rock band and stuff became a time during the big shiny tunes era this song was featured in these three games, MVP Baseball 2003, Lego Rock Band, and Playboy the Mansion. Oh, that's Stu's favorite video game.

That's like a lot of range. That's like Leisure Sweet Larry for like Stu Mike. Yeah, so that's a lot of range for Swing Swing. I love that song. Great song. Okay, any quick comments from Mark on that jam before I kick out the fourth jam from Stew Stone? You know what?

Good stuff. I mean, not that video games were what I expected. I would have guessed Tony Hawk or something. But you know what? It sounds like the inside of West 49. And to me, that brings me back to a good place. So I like it. Mallrock, for sure.

If I may, I feel like the last couple songs that you guys have played, I've been completely ignored. You're too busy. And I think that it's quite interesting that I should say that about completely ignored because one time I was a guest on the Completely Ignored podcast.

The opposite of a social distance situation. I was in the phone booth. Live at Twitter Canada can three of us crammed into fucking clark kent's office you stew you sammy and uh cam everyone getting droplets all in each other's throats after hours back in the good old days free snacks yeah i was told to come in and pick the most influential album right to me right So that was hard to do because there's so many. And it's like for me to pick one, that's like picking which kid do I like the best.

You know, I can't make that decision. I love all my kids. Which is a topic I discuss on the parenting show on Sunday night. Which kid do you like better of your kids? Because you have a lot of kids. I've got four kids. It's a multiple choice question. So you can't pick one.

Tune in at 6.40 at 8 o'clock on Sunday. It's got to be Harper. Either way, I can't, you know, listen, I would say that I had some influential years in the 80s. I had influential years in the 90s. I had influential years in the 2000s. Different times in my life, different kind of music inspired me in different ways.

So it was difficult for me to sort of pinpoint one specific band or song. But after I narrowed it down and I figured you got to also know who you're messing with here. So I knew I was with Cam and Sammy, so I couldn't come with like a Wu-Tang Clan song or anything like that. So I knew what I was up against and I knew that this was one of my favorite bands and one of my favorite songs by them.

And it happens to be a big shiny tune. So if you are a fan of the slightly ignored podcast, then you probably have heard this already, but this was the jam that I kicked out on their program. And I'm going to do it right here on the big shiny tunes as well. Good, good setup. That's the first time I've seen him do that.

I know. Mike's actually peeing which is interesting music music music music music music

music music music I gotta get some rest From all the undone chicken vices in my head It's a little bit dumb, but it's a great song. What's there? What's there? What's there? When I am king You will be fast against the wall From Big Shiny Tunes 2, this is Paranoid Android by a little outfit known as Radiohead. Do you know them? Are you familiar with them?

Now, see, you guys are playing all these songs that no one's heard, but they definitely know this band. Radiohead. Radiohead. The Radioheads. They have sold 30 million copies, so they're in another stratosphere. So your theory about the Tragically Hip being too big to be on Big Shiny Tunes, I find that to be a crock of

shit. Whose theory was that? That was yours. No, it wasn't. I think it was yours. I don't remember saying that. I remember you saying it. It was definitely my theory. It was Mark's theory. Well, Mark's my friend, so I'm going to take that back. But, you know, it's like this band doesn't need to be on Big Shiny Tunes at this point, but here they are and they're on it. Why not? Why not? You know, Green to be on Big Shiny Tunes at this point but here they are

and they're on it why not Green Day was on Big Shiny Tunes big fucking band great great song Nickelback Paranoid Android

the original version of this song was over 14 minutes long which is pretty crazy and someone who does film you know I once was tasked to do a short film and the film was supposed

to be only six minutes. I ended up cutting it an 11 minute sort of cohesive short and then they took what I did and they made it six minutes and I hated it

because it wasn't the story that I was trying to tell and you can't tell an 11 minute story in six minutes. That's more than half of what you're trying to tell that's thrown in the garbage.

Well, Radiohead managed to do it successfully and listen to how great this turned out. The song turned out. I think it's... Oh, it's an amazing band.

Did you guys... Amazing song. Do you guys remember generally the first time you heard this song and your thoughts? Because I know it took me a long time to get into this song. Really? Because it was such... It was just such a big departure, especially from the bands. Karma Police were the two burners on that album.

That's right. The whole album's a burner. Yeah, like Karma Police I thought was like more pretty straightforward and like, well, this was just, it was just from like the songs like Just and High and Dry from the Benz. It was just, it was so different. Yeah.

Completely different. Yeah, but like once it sort of clicked, it's like, holy shit, this is like, there's really, there's still nothing like this. They're incredible. Now listen, here's the deal. That 14 minute version, these guys were pissing themselves laughing as they were recording this. I just pissed myself. Yes, because they had all these like different

kind of parts. Yeah. The song was sort of inspired for them from you know, Beatles, Happiness is a Warm Gun, Queen, Bohemian Rhapsody, the Pixies also shouted out in there. Travis Scott, Sicko Mode. Interestingly enough, Paradise by the Dashboard Light.

One of the guys was just playing with the 24 track and edited these three kind of parts together and was kind of pleased with it and he said, hey guys, you have no idea what I've just done. They all came in, heard what he had done, which is this sort of assembly of all these different sort of parts and it turned out to be this brilliant kind of thing. Brilliant song.

Where everybody else is playing checkers, these guys are playing chess. Pastiche. Tom York sarcastically refers to this song as a Pink Floyd cover. What a kidder. Hilarious. Nigel Godrich, who produced this song, said this song is very deep purplish. Smoke on the water, I hear it. That's like the only song I really know. Rolling Stone calls this song one of the greatest songs of all time, according to Rolling Stone. Oh, I agree.

And the Paranoid Android title is taken from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Oh. So there you go. 42. Okay, those are good. Here's a fun fact for you. Here's a fun fact for you. Radiohead was inducted into the Rock and Roll

Hall of Fame last year. I didn't know that. They're Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Toto is not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame yet. Radio I didn't know that. They're a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Toto is not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame yet. Radiohead in 2019. And this song did not chart in Canada or the United States. This song did not chart a signature Radiohead song.

Never on the chart. Maybe it wasn't released as a single. A completely ignored song by the radio. But like how many songs did they have that didn't chart on the charts? But I think you have to be have in the chart? No, no, the radio didn't ignore this. It's all on the charts. But I think you have to be released. I think back then you had to release a song

as a single. But seriously, how many hits? This is an album cut that got a lot of airplay. How many hits did they have? Like Craig Poison hits? Just Fake Plastic Trees.

Like I am modern rock. Fake Plastic Trees was a big hit. High and Dry. Yeah. They have hits. But I'm just saying Billboard Hot 100 hits. Yeah, those songs were all...

Were they? But I do know what I'm saying because it's an album-oriented kind of band. It's not really a... Well, they're not trying to make hits. These guys are musicians. I'm guessing their biggest hit ever is Creep. Yeah, and I'd say it's not even close. Probably just, again, Billboard Hot 100.

And they probably hate that song, right? It's probably like a song they hate. I don't really hear them perform it. I've seen them a hundred times, and maybe they played it once. I've heard TLC perform it. Yes. And Stone Temple Pilots I heard a few times. So I'm a big fan of Radiohead,

and I'm a big fan of their inclusion on Big Shiny Tunes 2. Honestly, excellent. That's a great jam, that was a great great speech uh what do you think mark about paranoid android honestly uh i love this song and i love this radio ad too right like i love this and you know like like the okay computer and kid a or something yeah like honestly this song sticks out to me so much that i thought it was a single and maybe that's because i assumed everything on big shiny tunes was a single but it is such a standout radiohead song to me i mean the entire album is standout right like karma police bitter hafter let down that that sequence this album is amazing you know um but

yeah i mean like it's it's fantastic and and i honestly thought it was a single the fact that it wasn't is somewhat shocking to me you know ditto because they had like a really cool animated music video i remember there's like this kind of quirky cartoon very cool yeah absolutely yeah it also like for some reason i have this imagery which is sort of very very specific but the titanic like sinking into the sea to this song from because it was like the first year of the mtv movie Awards that I remember being aware of. Like in a montage? In a montage, they played this song with like,

God loves his children, with the boat going down. Like Kate Winslet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They always put a song to the movie stuff, because I remember, you remember the movie Alive about the team?

Yes, sure. I still remember Pearl Jam's Alive played to that movie montage. Now that I don't remember. Okay, because I'm older than you. But I remember this because I mean, I always loved the MTV. You know what would have been a great. They were eating ass before it was cool.

Big joke. That was a big joke. High level joke. It's a bit of a spoiler for the movie Alive because that's how they survive. They eat the guy's ass. They do. It's true. It feeds a family of four.

He was the big guy. Honestly, that movie is like, this is 1974. We eat ass. Yeah. That's a good tweet. We didn't mention it. It was the 70s.

Can we have a moment, though, speaking of 1974? In the 80s, one of the biggest personalities of the 1980s passed away, Diego Maradona. Oh, yeah. We never mentioned him. Big cocaine guy. I was surprised he was only 60. What a star.

Yeah, totally. Me too. I mean, you think of Pelé when you think of soccer, but you also think of Maradona. Pelé and Maradona. That's your next thought usually. Of a certain age. Pelé is sort of like the Dr. J, and Maradona was sort of like the Michael Jordan.

I'm with you, yeah. He scored all those goals in the World Cup. I was going to say, if you sort of, you know, we talk a lot about is James B. famous, go down to Young Dennis Square. You go around the world. Yeah. A million people who are the top five most famous athletes of all time.

Like Maradona, I don't know if he'd be top five, but he might be top ten. He's not my answer. I think it's like Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky. I'm just saying he's the Hulk. But he's up there. Matt Holliday. As far as soccer goes, there's no one more.

He's on the Mount Rushmore of soccer stars, that's for sure. Sure is. Anyway, I want to shout him out. Party animal. Yeah, there's a great documentary on Maradona you've got to check out. I didn't know about how he went to that club team in Italy and how they were going to be relegated, and then next thing you know, he's got them.

He just was incredible. Because a lot of people know, of course, about the World Cup. I think it's 86, I think. Yeah, 86 World Cup, Argentina. I got to say, I also like the cocaine is a big part of it. Yeah, yeah. Well, you don't live. We learned this from the George.

We talked about George Michael. And I thought, you know, when you do cocaine, and this is why I worry about my friends. Chained to the mirror in the race. I worry about my friend John Gallagher and et cetera. You know, don't do coke. It's a hell of a drug. Mark, stay away from cocaine.

Okay. Too late. The guy wrote a book on Big Shiny Tunes. What do you think he spent the money on? Didn't write itself. Like, yeah, how do you think this book got done? Yeah, those Excalibur Press. I mean, you know, slave drivers and everything.

My fourth jam. They paid him in coke. My fourth Big Shiny. You got paid? Awesome. Big Shiny Jam. Why don't we just... I can't seem to stumble out of my mouth.

I can't seem to stop and talk to them. Fear tries to pierce the armor of truth. Hollow point, sniper hyperbole. I don't know this song. Heya drums. Is this another jam stew that doesn't resonate with you at all? I have no clue what this is. Huh. I mean, Mark wrote the book.

Mark, do you know this song? USS, right? Yeah. What is it? Yeah. Ubiquitous Synergy Seeker. Doesn't mean it's not a good song if I don't know it. No, I know.

I just don't know it. Okay, so they're... They just have like a blender on stage that would hold up to a microphone. Yeah. I happen to really like these guys. And I've liked them since I first saw them in 2008. So I was going to wait for Cam to tell some of my ubiquitous Synergy... What are they called? Because Cam is going to pee.

USS, but proper name, I guess, is Ubiquitous Synergy Seeker. Which version were they on? 13. 13. So this is Hollow Point Sniper Hyperbole. That was the one that sold so few copies that it didn't even register. Not my problem. Not my problem.

That was what my old roommate's band was on. What? Wait, which band? What? So my old roommate, band was on. What? Wait, which band? What? So my old roommate, I used to live in Montreal. My old roommate. Can I guess who your roommate was? Can we guess based on like the band names that I'm seeing?

We each get a guess. Stu first. Don't say if he's right and then I get to go. I mean, it has to be a band that I don't know. So I'm going to guess his. Can I have two guesses or three guesses? One guess? I'm going to guess Saving Abel. know so i'm gonna guess his can i have two guesses or three guesses i guess i'm gonna guess saving abel does he live with me i'm gonna say because i'm not sure uh i'm gonna say because i saw this

band actually at a uh like a casby awards die mannequin the mission the mission the mission district i have a guess okay cam has a guest too. I have a question. Attack in Black. Attack in Black? That's not a... What is the question? Who did he live with? His old roommate was... Attack in Black? Is that a band?

No. No, Attack in Black is a band. Yeah, but they weren't on Sunshine of the Timbs. Mark, Protest the Hero. No, those are not options. These are your options right here. One of these people was his roommate.

So it was guest one? Saving Abel, the Mission District. I say Dianne Mannequin. Oh, Wintersleep. On Big Shack 2013, I was roommates with someone in one of the bands. He said Wintersleep was his guest. And actual retail price is? Tokyo Police Club.

Okay. These are interesting guesses. Sam Roberts is his ex-roommate. Wintersleep would not be aroommate Richard Ashcroft The answer Tokyo Police Club It's Buck Cherry Jack White

In fact I was roommates With Jack White No actually You know what there was a correct guess I believe it was Stu The band is the Mission District. Yeah, the Mission District. Well, that was your second guess.

Yeah, okay. I asked for three guesses, and I got it on two. You don't get to tip two guesses. I'm allowed to do what I want. What did this band sound like? I don't remember this band at all. They were kind of like a power pop, slash pop band. They had a hit called Youth Games.

Youth Games, yeah. Okay, close things out on... Okay, let me just run down a few things about Hollow Point Sniper Hyperbole. So from 2008, this was on Welding the C Drive. I always liked it. In fact, I was like five feet from the stage at the Cool House when George Straubelopoulos

and Martin Street gave the, I don't know what award it was, to Ubiquitous Synergy Seeker, but they played that night. Now, this was their big CFNY hit at the time. What will I say except to say that this band is just broken up and they have one album left to drop.

And I am, this is some inside scoop baseball stuff here, but I'm speaking with Ubiquitous Synergy Seeker next week. Oh, is that why you did this? This was a plug. But, and this is something I've never done before, and I'm doing it just to... Are they going to bring bagels,

or is that just a Dana Levinson thing? Only Dana ever brings me bagels. It's going to be a three-hour episode, by the way. Okay, well, we're going to get back to it. Just to say, I am speaking with the human kebab and ash from Ubiquitous Synergy Seeker next week, but I am not allowed to drop this episode next week. It's an embargo? I made a deal with the PR lady. An embargo? week, but I am not allowed to drop this episode next week. Oh.

It's an embargo? I made a deal with the PR lady. An embargo? Yeah, and I never do this. That's called an embargo. Now, Ash has been on Toronto Mike before. Yes, it's an embargo. Yeah. It's called an embargo.

I only met the human kebab at the party for Marty at the opera house. You signed an NDA? A human kebab. Jason Parsons. NDAs involved? I didn't sign anything. Okay. We have an agreement. I was going to say, I feel like these guys worked at the Opera House. You signed an NDA? Jason Parsons. You signed NDAs? I didn't sign anything. Okay. We have an agreement.

I was going to say, I feel like these guys worked at CFNY too. Am I imagining? I don't think they did work at CFNY. Got a lot of airplay. They just were like,

that was the house band. We still have any listeners at this point in the episode. Okay, well, I hope people are still here. This is a great app. I think it's amazing. It's just long.

Okay, let's do our final jams and we'll hear from Mark on each one. It's going to take Gorgowski like three weeks to catch up. And then you can ask that big question of long. Okay, let's do our final jams and we'll hear from Mark on each one. It's going to take Gorgaski like three weeks to catch up. And then you can ask that big question of Mark. You're going to ask his favorite Big Shiny Tune of all time. Actually, okay, but before we do,

here's a question for Mark. Oh, we're in the final round. Yeah, we're in the final round. This is exciting. This is a little bridge. I think the band Headley was on a Big Shiny Tune. Problematic. Problematic. This came up last week. Mark, do you consider Headley

a rock band? Like, obviously they play guitars and stuff, but this came up last week during boy bands. I feel like they're like a soul decision type of band. Yeah, like you sort of had that Headley, Simple Plan. Are these boy bands or are these like quote-unquote punk bands? Those are

good questions. Simple Plan is not a boy band. Is this controversial? No, it was just trying to classify because I don't think Headley ever got played on a drama. But Headley's not on any big shiny tunes. Oh, are they not? No. Oh, okay, never mind. Mark has been on the show the whole, I told you he would stay on the whole way.

I'm shocked. Mark, we are honored. We've got to have him back next week. He's a trooper. He should just be on every episode. Honestly, it's been really fun. But did you, I guess you had no plans tonight.

This was going to be a Netflix night because you gave us like three and a half hours here, I think. We appreciate it, man. You've been giving us some great insight. Like, he's keeping Jack White up in this room.

Honestly, I got to give a shout out to my wife who is... Oh, you're married? Fuck this. Like, definitely. Just like take the dog out and stuff like that. Let me be in this podcast.

It's very cool. What's your wife's name? Don't tell him. Charlotte. Oh, baby. Charlotte. He's not much a good Charlotte. Mike's going to add her on LinkedIn. Never heard that. She's not only a good Charlotte, the best Charlotte. Oh, Charlotte Hornets.

I like this guy. He's a real mensch. Class act. Yeah. When I said, let's do Big Shiny Jams, Cam piped up right away and said, Mark Teo wrote a book about this, and then right away I'm like, I have to get this guy on the episode. This is the power of Twitter.com.

Right here. I'll just say. Cheap plug. There, there. Sleazy PR guy. Yeah, we did it on Instagram. That's called an embargo. This is Cam... Sorry. Okay, we did it in... That's called an embargo. Okay, this is Cam... Sorry. Okay, are we ready for Cam's final choice one? I have an edge for you, by the way.

Oh, go ahead, Mark. Go ahead. I've had a lot of great jokes tonight. Yeah, Stu's on Susan's fine form. Tonight was a good Stu night. I think he's performing for the newcomer. No, no, it has nothing to do with having a guest. I want to say...

He's getting excited Hanukkah's coming up. I am... This is sort of a spite performance because you had your guy on that did the best of Oh, Al Grego. And Cam and I put in all this time and we just get... Did you listen to the best of?

I did. And me and Cam get snubbed right off the bat and we get disqualified. You were disqualified. And I was even listening to his best of. I was like, hmm, I wonder if we were snubbed on his last version. And sure enough, on volume two, and that's before Pandemic Fridays, neither of us appeared on that either. So you know what?

This is a bit of a spite performance because maybe he needs to come back on and do a best of Pandemic Fridays. I actually have a message for Al. You know, once after the pandemic, first gig back, Royal Pains back on stage. Don't be surprised there's a couple hecklers in the front row. Yeah. Seriously. And we better get free tickets to do that too. And let me say this, Mike. Two beer tickets.

He should come back and do a best of Pandemic Fridays. Because we're bringing it every fucking week. You have these other guests that pop in once in a while. We're here every week. We deserve the credit. And if you want to meet us down Mary Curtis Park, we can settle this

like men with our fists. I'm not a fighting man. You're on Mary Curtis Park, eh? Alright. I'll tell you what, Al Greco. If that's your name. How the hell is he going to... I had at least four killer jokes tonight. They should be on the best of Toronto Mike, those jokes.

I'll play a little chin music for you, Al Greco. Am I wrong? Cam, do you agree with me? I'm not Al Greco. How are we supposed to be the best of? We are the best of Toronto Mike show. Al chooses the best of, and I just give up. Al, you better fucking get with it.

This is ridiculous. Get with the program. Or at least do a best of Pandemic Friday episode. We're in the final round. We got to... Guys, guys, this is going to be a very long episode. I got work tomorrow. I got to send some tweets.

It takes me a long time to tear down all this gear that we have sent up. Well, at least it's heated. Cam, anything to say before the final jam? No. There's nothing to lose. This is your number one? Yeah. Okay.

Mic check. I like Nas. I actually don't even really know this song. It's Beastie Boys, right? Knives in the house, we'll beat you boys, we can turn it out Perpetrators, we can point them out So if you got something on your mind, let it out Yo, I've been in the game since before you was born I might still be emceeing even after you're gone Strange thought, I know it, but my skills still grow

The 80s, the 90s, 2000s and so on and on Until the crack, it's on, until the year 3000 And beyond, stay up all night and i am see i'll never die because death is the cause of the sleep because i'm back with the bang boogie oogie oogie strawberry letter 23 okay so this is uh too many rappers the beastie boys featuring naz um from 2009 the hot sauce committee part two is the album um which didn't come out to like two years after i don't know if you're like this song came out like a long time before the album came out yeah we we sort of talked off the top about you know why wasn't tragically hip on this was like well and

i think mark might mention you know were they a bit before um the big shiny tunes time in and the beastie Boys appearing on, like this was almost the last Big Shiny Tunes by the time this was on, or the second last, just seemed kind of weird, like out of place. And I kind of forgot Beastie Boys had like hits

right into the 2000s, because I still... Is it a hit? Well, like in its own way. It's not a hit. Well, it did go to number 93 in the u.s and number 70 dan correct higher than paranoid android yeah but anyway i'm just saying this song rolling with sagas is bigger hit number 67 let me make my point this song in 2009 on a big shiny does this not seem out of

place no i don't think so because at this point no one's listening to these albums anymore. Well, I think that's maybe why they started to wrap up because it was sort of losing the plot of what the purpose and like we all love the Beastie Boys. Oh, the Dears lost the plot. There's some of that. That's part of the factor. Were they your roommates too, Mark? The Dears?

Yeah, Murray. Yeah, absolutely. The Beastie boys are an iconic group obviously we all love the beastie boys great live they play their own instruments they're terrific musicians and they're you know they're pretty good rappers but it's always interesting to me when they're paired up with so-called like real true mc so to speak like you know when q-tip is on the track with them right or now naz is on the track yeah sure it's like you can see like, you know, when Q-Tip is on the track with them, or now Nas is on the track. It's like you can see how, you know,

they can't really keep up with the real guys, but on their own, they're really great. I don't know how that's a... I don't know the analogy, but it's like a dish that, like, Swiss Chalet chicken on its own is pretty good with the fries, but then with the sauce, it's a little bit different. Or like with the

Adamson, you know, kind of racker. They've had enough free publicity today. And now this is a song I put on. I don't even think this song is that good. I think they just sound... This is your number one pick. They're not ranked and it's hard to say this because

obviously, you know... He could have picked any song off of the list and now he's saying this song is not that good. Quite a thorough inventory. You had a lot of options. I'm trying to make a point here. Okay, let's hear it. I thought this would be a good song to end my picks. Well, he does his long-winded thing, Stu.

Just check in on the Periscope while Cam finishes his value. Cam's a jackass. Fuck Cam. Muting him. Sorry, go ahead. Anyway, I'm just saying that this song at the end of the Good Big Shiny Tunes anthology, it had sort of run its course

if this is the type of song, because I don't think this is a good song. This is a band well into their career. It's hard to say this, too, because MCA left us like three years after this song came out. Yeah, sad. But, I don't know. I liken this. Here's a wrestling analogy for Stu.

Yes, I'm listening. I remember I once saw, it was a YouTube video of Mr. Perfect. Okay. Kurt Hennig. Sure. He was wrestling Kurt Angle. Okay. And it's just like were these guys even in the league? How did this happen?

That's sort of my reaction to seeing that the Beastie Boys were on Big Shiny Tunes in 2009. That's a great analogy. Kurt Squared. It just seemed weird. Wow. One fun fact about this song, I actually had a video that never surfaced

that allegedly some guy named Ian McClernan, who was a student in Ireland and now works in IT. I actually looked him up on LinkedIn. He claims he randomly found this song on like a Dropbox file or something. Or a skunk. Maybe it's that Black Fox or something. So the point being, a video of this song,

which was actually filmed by Roman Coppola. Ah, Francis Ford's kid. Yes. Or Nicolas Cage's son. I suppose. Appeared in the first two Godfathers, uncredited. He actually directed this video that was just like lying on some computer file, never released, that would surface years later. Wow.

Of this song, and I don't think it's a very good song. I hate to say. Okay, I can't wait to get Mark's feedback on this one. I just want to shout out Cam Brio on Twitter says that Mark Teo is in university currently and roommates with my son James. Yeah, he also posted that.

Somebody posted, and I'm not sure whether they're referring to Mike or Cam, that dude is annoying as fuck. It couldn't have been me. Oh, who is that, by the way? Because I've got to block them when I finish this. And then we've got a question from Mark, which I will ask. Cam, you're out of your element.

Mark was also roommates with Leva Famke. And I'll ask the big question. Wait, who said I'm out of my element? I'm going to ask the big question of Mark. Who's on the Periscope and didn't like us? What are you doing there? This is going to be James Edgar. Is he going to block me again? Serial Joe.

I was in fact roommates with Serial Joe. Serial Joe. The chat room wants to know Mark's take. Serial Joe. Are they a boy band? Oh. You know what? I was getting this before. I don't think they are. No, they're definitely not.

They're just a band. They're a high school alternative rock band. They're close, though. No, not a band. But they're a band of boys. They're a band of boys. So Silverchair is a band of boys. Guys who served in Vietnam together are a band of boys.

They're a band of brothers. But that was World War II. Not Vietnam. Okay, so this has been fantastic, but we've got to get to Stu's final joke. Hold on, hold on. Stop the press. Who said we're annoying as fuck?

I want to know who that was. I think they're talking about me probably. Okay. But is that DJ Lee? No. Maybe it's all me because I'm the new guy here. No, it's definitely not you. It better be Mark

Mark's fourth of four Boone, you have to be 12 cold ones in to pretend to be involved in this nonsense I think that's you, Boone That's you, right? I don't know if it is That's actually Monica Oh, that's Monica

Real quick about this final jam of mine. Okay. I like this band a lot. This is not one of my favorite songs of theirs either, but there's a reason why I made it my last jam is because I had to come up with a way to sort of bring it all around to something that I do enjoy. Yeah, like mine.

So, go ahead and play it. I can't get a trick Down on Santa Monica Where tricks are for kids Oh Come on and kick me Oh Come on and kick me Oh I guess it's a good song. I like this song.

Santa Rosa Oh I got my eyes wide open That's a good song. I like this. I like this. So, this is called Hash Pipe from Big Shiny Tunes 6 by a band called Weezer. Not Weedus. Released in 2001. First single off the band's third album, the Green Album, and one of the only summer songs of 2000 to make it

on the Big Shiny Tunes album. How do you like that? Cam was saying six-month cycles. This is the only summer song that made it onto a Big Shiny Tunes album. Like that was released in the summer? Okay. The band kind of wrote this song about being with a transvestite or something.

I'm trying to... I don't even know if that's our current nomenclature. That's fine. I didn't know that that was the story here. I guess it's a night out with, you know. Trans person. A transgender person who's a hooker. Went out with Rivers one night, perhaps.

Had a night out on the town. The song is about a transgender prostitute. Okay, gotcha, gotcha. I didn't know that until this second. So, news, that's breaking news. Weezer, Weezer, Weezer. Weezer has sold 10.2 million albums in the United States. What's that, Mark?

Oh, no, I was going to say, wasn't this song called, like, Half Pipe in the States? Because they actually did want to use the word half pipe. That's right, that's right. Weezer has sold 10 use the word hashbite. That's right. Weezer has sold 10 million albums. No, no, that's fine. 10 million albums in the US, 35 million worldwide. Very successful band.

I gotta tell you, I was wrong. I always thought that Weezer was put together by Ric Ocasek. I always thought that. I feel like that was always a rumor. Like a boy band of Ultron. And apparently, depending on which origin story you believe, either they were

put together by audition process, or they were already a band, and then Rico Kasich sort of took what he saw as raw talent and turned them into Weezer. So, it's sort of a vanilla ice sort of that there's various different origin stories for them. But I always remember being told that they were,

it was like an American Idol type of like, we're going to put this guy with this guy with this guy. Oh no, I never heard that. But I will say the thing that's very odd about Weezer is that they seem to come out of nowhere. They, you know, there wasn't really, oh, they put out these two indie albums and then they signed to Geffen Right away they were massive

It seemed I could be wrong The Undone The Blue album is one of the best 90s albums period Start to finish in 32 minutes I'm with you There's a growing contingent Of people who prefer Pinkerton

That's all the emo kids. That was the commercial flop, I guess. I like Pinkerton, too. I want to talk right. Oh, I'm the one who's annoying, by the way. Yeah, what's Cambrio saying? It's not you guys. It's me that's annoying, just so you know.

It's not true. No, it is true. I'll leave the handle for blocking later, because if you don't like Seuss Stone. No, you don't have to block. That's fine. But why would you be on a Periscope for a Pandemic Friday if you don't like Seuss Stone? No, because I'll win them over eventually. I'll be less annoying next time. I don't like that, that's fine why would you be on a periscope for a pandemic friday because i'll win them over eventually i'll be less annoying next time i don't like that because you don't it's okay i'm just gonna go home sad it's fine now listen it's optional to watch everybody let's or listen this is probably going to be super annoying for this viewer but what's

about to happen at least why did i pick hash pipe mike i know why because you've uh now a question was raised earlier something in his pocket a question was raised earlier. He's got a little something in his pocket. A question was raised earlier as to why was Toto never put into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? They should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They should be. Toto should be in the Hall of Fame.

Also, Mrs is Toto It is Toto This is good I've seen this All the Weezer fans In the chat right now I gotta say Y'all gotta look

At everything We'll be all right In the end It's the best Weezer album In the green Album By the way I was told Liz says If I were on'll be all right in the end. It's the best we can all agree. I'll be. By the way, I was told if Liz says,

if I were on a panel with you and you kept talking over me, I'd punch you in the face. Well, you know, you should book Liz to be on a panel with me and see if it goes down. I'll bring like a coal miner's glove next week. I probably deserve it. I apologize. If I've been talking over you, Cam, I apologize.

It's because you're having fun, right? Well, it's also I figure Cam and I have known each other 30 years, and that's just the nature of our relationship. If he was some stranger that I didn't know, I wouldn't be talking over him like this. I feel like I've earned the right to talk over him. It's part of the dynamic. This is the shtick. Look, this is our

37th pandemic Friday. This is what it is. I think that Liz, the only way we could really settle this, let's meet up for lunch at Adam's and Barbecue tomorrow, and we'll talk it out over some brisket. And just get some great legs down the street. Anyway, let's talk about Toto for a second.

Last week I managed to tie the boy bands into a Christopher Cross song. And now I'm going to tie this all into a Toto song because Toto is the greatest. How did that hash pipe Toto song, because Toto is the greatest. How did that Hash Pipe Toto song come about? Well, this happened. It's coming, and it is Shomer Shabbos. Yes, that's correct. Weezer did a cover of Toto's Africa. So Toto responded with a cover of Hash Pipe.

And that's how we get into this mess. Tit for tat. And Weird Al Yankovic in the music video. Stu, you know, you picked Weezer's Hash Pipe. Just so I could get to Toto. And I have a mind blow of my own. Okay. For your jam.

Okay. Before you do that. Yeah. For your jam. Okay. Before you do that. Yeah, finish your Toto love it. Let's talk about the relationship between Toto and Weezer is a lot like the relationship with Liz and myself. In which one party doesn't. It's fractured. Acrimonious. It's fractured, but there is potential for it to be mended.

Steve Lugather, who is the rock god, the guitar player for... Good friend of Eddie Van Halen, too. Yes, the guitar player, one of the influences of Eddie Van Halen. Much mentioned. Most mentioned musician in the history of Pandemic Fridays, Steve Lukather.

Bonnie Tyler, number two. So he heard this Weezer cover. Rusty's number three. Apparently Weezer did the cover of Africa that we're listening to right now and didn't tell Toto they were doing it, but Lukather liked it. He said,

I tried to reach out to Rivers, Lukather told Rolling Stone in an interview. He said, Hey man, isn't this funny? Whether you like us or not, it's working out good for both of us. Silence. The cat refused to talk to me. I'm friends with the biggest rock and roll stars in the world and this is the only cat

that refuses to talk to me. I'm sorry, Rivers. You made a lot of fucking money off this song. You should be a little bit more thankful, he added. Some of Weezer were cool, but Rivers really hurt my feelings. Luthaker. Wow.

Picaro, but Rivers really hurt my feelings. Luthaker. Wow. Wow. Pacaro, who's not obviously the drummer who's passed away, but one of the brothers who played on the keyboard of the baseball player. On Thriller as well. He recalled the experience of being invited to join Weezer for a performance of Africa on TV, noting that he'd been present when Cuomo's manager told them that the cover was doing well on radio.

When I saw Rivers wince, the keyboardist explained. He winced? They initially did it as a goof, but now they realize they'd actually have to play the song for a lot longer than they thought they would. So make some money. This whole business runs on hit records,

and if you get one, you better be prepared to play it for the rest of your life. So there you go. Who said that? That was the keyboard player for Toto. He said that when he was there, when Rivers found out the song was a hit, and he said Rivers was upset that it was a hit. He went.

Because he didn't want to play the song. Okay, gotcha. So there you go. You don't have to play your hit. I love Weezer. I love Toto. And I think that, you know, in the end, they'll probably be friends much like Liz and I. I feel like

Weezer and Toto played at the Coachella Festival. They did a super jam on this song. I could have swore I saw that on YouTube.com. Okay. Well, there's all my jams. Shout out to all the Fosses out there. Well, I have a...

Okay, so here's what I'm doing, okay? So you kicked out Weezer's hash pipe, okay? I'm kicking out the song I think stole, like ripped off Weezer's hash pipe. Is this Evanescence? No. And then I'm going to get Mark's opinion on whether he thinks I'm right.

For years I've been holding this thought. Oh, my goodness. Oh, this sounds like Hash Fight. Oh, wow. But it's not Hash Fight. No, and wait, it's more. Is this Gwen Stefani? Wow.

Did she get sued for this or anything? I'm the only one upset about it, apparently. It gets worse. Hold on. Oh, I know this song. It's good? Yeah. Watch your wedding, watch your wedding, watch your wedding, watch your wedding, watch your wedding Oh!

Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock, tick tock Take a chance, you stupid hoe Looking like a pal, you're kidding yourself You know it all by heart while you're standing in one place. I'm born to blossom. I'm born to perish. I'm a woman

because of your sense chromosome. I know it's a messed up how our society all thinks. Okay, so we mentioned the great sitcom Too Close for Comfort.

We mentioned it earlier today. One by one. We'll start with you, Cam. Yeah. What you waiting for? Gwen Stefani hit Too Close for Comfort. We mentioned it earlier today. One by one. We'll start with you, Cam. Yeah. What You Waiting For, a Gwen Stefani hit. Is this your number one song? No, this is nothing to do with Big Shiny Tunes.

This is my mind blow because you kicked out Hash Pipe. Too Close or... I think I'm going to say no. It pains me. But there's something there. Are we sure Gwen Stefani's a good person? No. I feel like she's not.

We mentioned Bush X. We don't know if she's a good person. Shout out to Paige Megan of the Megan Boys who's watching. The host of Live with Paige Megan. Wow. Awesome. Nice to have you with Paige Megan. Oh, shout out. Wow, awesome. Nice to have you here.

Married to Blake Shelton. Blake Shelton. But left, of course, Bush X's Gavin Rossdale a long time ago. Her brother did leave, no doubt, to animate for The Simpsons. Oh. Yeah. So, Stu, too close for comfort before I go to Mark. Then we're going to get to my final jam.

First of all, I know the song. The song does sound like the Weezer hash pipe and it probably there's probably like a claim that can be made there. Shout out to Paige, by the way. Again, he wanted to plug that his Paige Megan, live with Paige Megan, is coming up soon with special guest Cam Gordon.

Really? So that's breaking news. Talking Twitter safety. Yes. So that's going to be good. Mark, Tio, is this too close for comfort, this song by Gwen Stefani and Hash Pipe? Definitely a similarity. Like, honestly, I've never considered it. But you know what?

Like, I'm not a huge Hash Pipe fan, so I kind of like this song more than Hashbite. How about the fact that this is the longest episode we've ever done? And Mark has been on the entire time. He is a trooper. And he was going to do 20 minutes, and he was going to go. He's the man. Actually, it's really Charlotte. He's not a lair.

I think we're going to do a documentary series together. It's going to be worth his while. Yes. And again, it all started with you. We're going to make hundreds of dollars together. It's going to be worth his while. Yes. And again, it all started with you. We're going to make hundreds of dollars together. Tens of hundreds of dollars. We're going to make tens of dollars.

Canadian showbiz. By the way, the person that doesn't like me loves you, Mike Boone, so... I don't know this song. Do I? It's a good song. It's this song we don't know this song, do I? It's a good song. It's this song we don't know this. We're discovering some few blind spots.

Yeah, quite a few. How does it feel like to let forever be? And how does it feel like to spend a little lifetime sitting in the gutter? And scream myself to sleep? Okay. I don't know it. Never heard it in my life. I'm kicking out the Chemical Brothers. Ah, I know them.

Let Forever Be, one of their many, many hits. I didn't know that they Never heard it in my life. I'm kicking out the Chemical Brothers. Ah, I know them. Let Forever Be, one of their many, many hits. I didn't know that they, like, sing. Do you know who that is? Do you want to know? Yeah, well, the fun fact, I thought it was an obvious thing, but maybe not. So I'm going to tell you right now. It's maybe not them singing. It's a guest.

It's a guest. It's a girl. Some guy. That's a girl? No, it's not a girl. Tweet us. That is Noel Gallagher. Ah.

Yeah. And he's done a couple of, you know, you can hear him in a couple of different. It's Setting Sun. That's the big one. That was a good try. That was a big one. So let me bring it home. I have multiple windows open here.

How's the real Tomorrow Never Knows vibe to it, this song, in my opinion? You son of a, you fucking son of a bitch. I'm just. You son of a... You fucking son of a bitch. I'm just... Wait, is this the same song? It started... Oh, okay.

There you go. That's my mind blown. Oh, shit. Wait, what? They have two songs with him? Wait, Stu, do you know this song? No. What is this?

I buried the lead, sorry. You did the opposite. You took that lead and you... I'm confused at what's happening. All right, let me fill everybody in. Is that the same song? No. Okay, so the first song was a big shiny jam called Let Forever Be by the Chemical Brothers.

And Cam and I, like many people, think it's just kind of borrowing or ripping off a classic Beatles jam called Tomorrow Never Knows. This is one of the trippier Beatles jams. This is the Beatles? This is the Beatles. Yeah. This doesn't sound like the Beatles. This sounds like a song from like the 90s or 2000s. Ahead of its time.

It's ahead of its time. In fact, this is the song that Mad Men, there's that famous episode of Mad Men where at the end, Don Draper listens to this song and they paid millions and millions of dollars to play the masters. Michael Jackson was charging them all that money? I don't know who owned it at the time.

I sort of suggested this invented psychedelic rock because this is like the White Album or where's this from? I think so. Revolver? Maybe Mark knows. You know what?

What Beatles album is Tomorrow Never Knows From? He's Googling it. I know. He should be. I'm Googling it right now. So yeah, because we're all

a little young. I think it's Revolver. But it's one of the, I think it's the trippiest psychedelic, most psychedelic Beatles song. Yeah, it's greatvolver. But it's one of the, I think it's the trippiest psychedelic, most psychedelic Beatles song. Yeah, it's great. Anyway.

Real departure. You guys got it, Revolver. Revolver. So Mark, what do you think of the Chemical Brothers' Let Forever Be? Pretty lame first pick for everybody, including myself.

All three of us sort of underwhelmed. That's why Liz is upset, because I asked Mark a question, and now he's about to answer and you interrupted. Wait, who's Mark again? All right, go ahead, Mark. I'm the guy who's like

silently listening into this conversation. I'm the guy that was roommates with the salads. I thought it was Die Mannequin. Okay, what do you think, Mark, about tomorrow never...

I was going to say that's because of the salad. By the way, I just said what do you think about tomorrow never knows? Everyone loves that. What do you think of as a salad by the way i just said what do you think about tomorrow never knows everyone loves that what do you think of let forever be by uh the chemical brothers you know what it's a great song i i and you know what i know that um right from the get-go big shine tunes was talking about incorporating what was then electronica and compilation and this is a fantastic bridge to it where you know like there are recognizable vocals it is a fantastic bridge to it where, you know, like there are recognizable vocals.

It is a strong, really like rhythmic driving, like electronic song. I really like it. It's funny to hear Mark talking about the Chemical Brothers as we listen to the Beatles. Because, you know, you put his words, you're listening to it and you're like, oh, yeah, he's right. It does have that great sound. And you're like, oh, yeah, this is a fucking 1960s Beatles song here. It applies to both songs, right? Let's close with this, Mark.

What is your single favorite Big Shiny Jam of all 14 volumes? And was it played tonight? Who was it played tonight? Right. Okay. I was going to say it's not played tonight and my opinion always changes on it. But I think tonight

the answer that I'm going to give is Drinking in LA by Brant Van. You know what? I think I avoided it because I've kicked it out in the past. I love that song too. It's a stereo mic. It opens with a stereo mic.

And I'm a mic. I always like the stereo mic reference. I like that jam. You could have been roommates with, that's a Montreal band too. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. I will say this,

especially going through all these songs and a lot of great songs, but some are very similar stylistically, but then every once in a while, especially late 90s, you hear Paranoid, Android, or Drinking in LA that really stood out and don't sound like anything of that era

or anything again. There's my deep thought. I think some of the stew stone blind spots we discovered tonight are because he was busy drinking in LA during that period. He knows all about Billy Tallent, which is very interesting. Well, I only knew that because I came home to visit that summer. Okay.

I don't know. Why wasn't lowest of the low on a Big Shiny Tunes? Not national enough. They make like a fake blog post, like a Big Shiny tune? It's not national enough. We're going to make a fake blog post. Big Shiny. Like the fake Ken Conchella. You got to do some completely ignored things so we can ignore it.

I got to get thicker skin, guys. Is it Liz? Because I know Liz. Liz is a big fan of... Interjection dude is a human callus. I might drive home in tears this evening. Like into a ditch. The Okay, I'm going to talk to Liz. I might drive home in tears this evening. Like into a ditch. The Fosses are going to come at Liz. No, they don't need to.

I'm going to win her over in the end. She'll see. She just doesn't understand. Stu's going to become like an alt-right. I think it's her first Stu experience. It's a lot to deal with. It's like when you get high for the first time, you have to make a deal with God.

Like, I'll never do this again. Just get me through this. And then eventually you God. Like, I'll never do this again. Just get me through this. And then eventually you're like, yeah, I can do this again. Yeah. Guys, we need to thank our special guest. He was here for all six hours of this episode. Yeah, great guy, by the way. Yes, thank you so much, Mark.

This was so much fun. Yeah, hit up Stu. He's at Stu Stone on Twitter. But let's let everyone know. The full title, it's a very long title, but it's called Shine, How a Much Music Compilation Came to Define Canadian Alternative Music the full title it's a very long title but it's called Shine how a much music compilation came to define

Canadian alternative music and sell a zillion copies everyone listening should go pick it up again remind us the name of that book publishing company

we're supposed to Google to buy this from you Mark Teo it's called Eternal Cavalier Press that's right Eternal Cavalier Press yes

it's funny I have such difficulty remembering all three of those words I don't know how Donald Trump did it Eternal Cavalier Press. That's right. Eternal Cavalier Press. Yes. It's funny how I have such difficulty remembering all three of those words. I don't know how Donald Trump did it. Remember? He was able to just repeat those words like that. Woman, car, man, camera, TV. Very high IQ. Mark, thanks for doing this, buddy.

That was amazing. This is a slice. Yeah, thanks for having me. It was tons of fun. This is our first time doing this, and I thought it worked out well. It made the show longer but better. Longer but better. And you're a big shiny

FOTM now, Mark. There you go. Welcome to the club. Shout out to Cambrio. And that! You all suggested Len as a big shiny tune. Oh, Steal My Sunshine. Was that ever on a big shiny tune? Rob.

The Raptors have a Len now. Have you heard that? There's a Len on the. The Raptors have a Len now. Have you heard that? There's a Len on the Raptors now. Shut up to Aaron Barnes. Barnes? Who's the new guy? Danny Barnes? Yeah.

Shout him out, Danny Barnes. And that brings us to the end of our 759th show. Which should, if it counts as an episode number, shouldn't it be counted in the best of? Like if you're going to, take it up with El Grego.

If you're going to call this show 759 or whatever you just said, then it should count. It should count. I agree with you, yes. Otherwise, don't call it an official show count. A show's a show. I love you guys. Stay away from barbecues.

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Very confusing. Cam is at Cam underscore Gordon. I was just saying I'm at Billy. At Stew Stone for Stew. Great Lakes Brewery are at Great Lakes Beer lakes beer palma pasta is at palma pasta they're here tomorrow uh anthony at least will be here tomorrow tune in for that at one o'clock pm sticker you is at sticker you cdn technologies are at cdn technologies joanne glutish is at j glutish and ridley funeral home is at ridley Funeral, Ridley FH. Everybody go to torontomiracle.org and register your intent to donate a non-perishable food item on December 5th

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