Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Brad Fay KOTJ: Toronto Mike'd #279

Episode Date: November 7, 2017

Mike and Brad talk about his career in sports media and whether he'll take over Prime Time Sports when Bob McCown retires before they play and discuss his ten favourite songs.

And right now, right now, right now it's time to... Take out the jams, motherfuckers! I'm in Toronto where you wanna get the city love I'm from Toronto where you wanna get the city love I'm a Toronto Mike, you wanna get the city love My city love me back, for my city love Welcome to episode 279 of Toronto Miked, a weekly podcast about anything and everything, proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, a fiercely independent brewery celebrating 30 years

in the craft beer business. Visit GLB at 30 Queen Elizabeth Boulevard for $5 patio beers. And propertyinthesix.com, Toronto real estate done right. And PayTM, an app designed to manage all of your bills in one spot download the app today from paytm.ca i'm mike from torontomike.com and joining me this week is sportsnet's brad faye

welcome brad i i'm enjoying the uh you mentioned the booze, the beer, Canuck Pale Ale. Johnny Canuck is kind of the alternate logo for the Vancouver Canucks, my hometown. Well, yeah, that guy has a name. It's Gordy Levesque. Ah, yes, that's right. I told the story before, but he ran the recent marathon. So there was a guy who dressed up as Gordy Levesque and ran the waterfront marathon. Awesome.

Hey, thanks for doing this. Absolutely. And before you kick out the jams, we're going to get to know you and I have some questions for you. You got it. But my first question is about Damien Cox. Yes, of course. It usually is. I should have prepped you that this is all about Damien, but you know that already.

I happen to think Damien, I've only met him twice. He came on and we did like a 90-minute deep dive, and then he came back and we caught up and then we kicked out the jams. So I've only met him twice. I think he's misunderstood. I think Damien Cox enjoys playing the guy people love to hate. Yep. How well do you think Damien Cox enjoys playing the guy people love to hate. Yep.

How well do you know Damien? Yeah, no, I know. I've gotten to know him very well over the last five or six years. Similar, you know, description, as you say. I think he and Bob McCowan share that, you know, I work now a lot with radio. Yeah, sort of. I mean, Bob's admitted that openly. He created that character. Damien does his job, not only on the radio, initially as a columnist, where if you read and you don't feel anything, you know, then it

doesn't really, doesn't really get the point across or move you. But Damien has always had that, you know, so when I met him, I expected not to like him and expected him to be very surly and very, you know, and then you get to know him and there's you, you surly and very you know and then you get to know him and there's you you know i know you talked about that on your podcast you peel back the layers and a lot of people are surprised by the you know especially the music that aspect of it he's a very

positive guy very um you know in terms of life and everything and all that stuff but it's just that he's not afraid to say what maybe other people wouldn't in columns. And that's what's gotten him in the right kind of trouble, I would say. But did you find it took a while for you to discover the real Damien? A little bit, yeah. Because he wears masks. I think, to quote Bob McCowan, I read an article he did with a Sportsnet magazine or something,

and he talked about how difficult it is for him because he wears this mask as like curmudgeon Bob, and sometimes he'd meet somebody in public and he'd think, I can't give them like home Bob, regular Bob. I have to give them the Bob they know, which is curmudgeon Bob. And you're kind of, I can see yourself becoming confused. Which mask am I wearing now? And Damien, although he might be less, it might be less contrived than it is with Bob, perhaps. But I think Damien sometimes wears the mask as well.

And it takes a while for him to sort of take it off. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think there's a bit of that. I think there's also a lot of serious belief in the things that he doesn't like or that he's against politically part of it. The way teams run fighting in the NHL, those kind of things aren't put on.

That's what he believes in. My experience with him was, meeting him was interesting because the first thing I did with him, I literally had said hello to him once, and then he was put on the tennis coverage. We started 2011 doing the Rogers Cup, and our boss, Scott Moore, was the one who suggested that for Tennis Canada that they merge the two tournaments.

We have one central desk, women in Montreal, men in Toronto, and every other year they alternate, as you know. We follow where the men are. So long story short, they set up this desk. I was going to host. Robert Bettauer is the analyst, still is, former Davis Cup player for Canada.

And then they added Damien, and Damien was going to pop in and out and just bring commentary. And the very first time he was on the desk, we opened, that all three of us, somebody phoned, probably Scott Moore, and said, keep him on the desk the whole time because he just added this personality. So I knew him, got to know him professionally. We're on the desk for up to 12 hours a day. I knew him, you know, got to know him professionally. We're on the desk for up to 12 hours a day.

So, you know, I didn't know, sort of, I'm kind of thinking, I don't know who this guy is. I've read him. I've heard him on the radio, it seems. But he had this pleasantness about him on the air because he loves tennis. And so then it was just, that was kind of a natural process where every day for that first year, five straight days, and we have a few pops afterwards and slowly got to know him. And then, uh, yeah, just kind of, we ended up working together on a few different things and there's, um, you know, we'd become friends. You don't have to be friends to have

somebody that you work well with and vice versa can work both ways. Uh, we just realized we had this compatibility. And once we started talking music and other things beyond just, uh, you know, I think there's that, that image that people think you're a sportscaster, it's all you do. You know, you go home and you talk sports and you talk to each other and, oh, what about that? As soon as the games are over, it's a quick, you know, reset and you're into real life.

I can imagine that's the last thing you want to talk about. Pretty much, after 12 hours of tennis and sitting beside guys, you know. Like, please, let's talk music. Yeah, exactly. And so he, you know, but he's very good. He's very, we've had a lot of people make their way from newspaper in the last, you know, 10 years to be on TV. I think he's the most natural. And I say that in sincerity, and I've told other people that not just because Damon's, you know, become a friend, but he just is a natural ability where where a lot of guys it takes a while because they have all the information uh they're very creative in writing it but presenting it as a different uh different set of circumstances

all together and he's always off the top of his head and that radio experience you know helps him in that regard as well and now you guys are doing like road trips to see uh it was a bob seger we saw bob seger just before he had to pull the pin for a while on the tour because he had some vertebrae issues, which is, you know, he's 72. But yeah, we went, that was the first time that, you know, and that's always an interesting thing that, you know, like anything, going away with somebody for the first time for a night, we

golfed and saw the concert and, you know, 24 hours down and back. It was a blast. I get it. And I mean, he, he gave us the story, but it sounds like Seger was great as usual. It was. It was a fantastic concert.

And two hours at his age, there are a lot of people that play longer now. And I know we're going to talk about one guy in particular. And I know you saw Guns N' Roses the other night. I saw the second night. Fantastic show. So how long did they play the second night? Almost three and a half, which blew me away. I think it's only the old guys that do that, the older bands.

But then you're talking about Bob Seger, old, and then 72 is a little different. But when you're the front guy of a band and the only time he sat down was to be at the piano for a few songs. So really impressed. It was a really, you know, basically played everything you want to hear. Seeing him, I'm sure as Damien told you, seeing him in Detroit. I love that historic aspect. We saw the last show in the Palace. So the last event in the Palace is going to be demolished. I'm sure as Damien told you, seeing him in Detroit. I love that historic aspect. We saw the last show in the palace.

So the last event in the palace is going to be demolished. But seeing the love for the people. I mean, certain bands have that. Some have hometowns and they're kind of, I'm sure Guns N' Roses, you know, they're LA. But it's when you're sort of the one guy in your genre from a city like Detroit, you could see the love that people have. And it really took the concert to a different level. No, it sounds great.

You're here to kick out the jam, so there'll be lots of music chat, but now that I've fulfilled my Damien Cox quota... Yes, yeah. Brought to you by... Yeah, the enigma wrapped in a riddle. So for yourself, Brad, so it begins for you in British Columbia.

Yes. So tell me how you kind of break into the business in BC. Yeah, I have a very unique story, which I think a lot of people do. So I went away to school to play basketball in Calgary. And that's only relevant because every summer I would come home, need a place to play and play pickup and, you know, keep in shape and everything else. So a friend of mine said, oh, there's a good run at this Marple Community Center. So we go in there.

It was a couple of days a week at lunch hour. And lo and behold, here's a couple of maybe three or four media personalities from Vancouver that are playing. One of them on TV, a couple of newspaper call and this and big, big name guys. John McKeeche was the TV guy and he just took a, he took a liking to me on the playing basketball, but also he always said, what do you, what do you want to do? I said, well, I, you know, we used to talk sports all the time. And he says, you really know your stuff. And I say that with all humility, I knew way more than, than I do now.

You know, you're at that age, you're 19, 20, you're just absorbed in it. I just, you know, and he, um, he said, you know, you should think about doing what I do. And in that, in that case, beyond knowing that, uh, you know, who I was as a basketball player, I wasn't going to be making the NBA. This is many years before Steve Nash set that, uh, standard. It still felt like a pipe dream. You know, wow, sportscaster, what a cool job that would be. But there's only so many. There's even less now.

But back then, so many jobs in the country. So anyway, long story short, I kept in touch with him. I ended up taking a radio course. I didn't really have many short TV courses. Got a job in radio, ended up in newspaper, and kept in touch with him. I worked in the interior, Kelowna, beautiful spot, four or five years doing newspaper. And, uh, they just basically TV was different. It's like you had

to be available, said you, uh, you know, they gave me a couple of chances, say, can you come down and fill in this weekend? And it was always short notice. And I'm either my vacation was done. It's four hours away. Um, I had lots going on. Uh, so finally I finally I took a, I felt good enough that they liked what I did. So I took a buyout. Timing came and they were changing things at the newspaper and said, you know, they came to a Friday and said, listen, by union rights, we have to give you a warning. We're going to be laying off people. You're not one of them, but if you want to buy out, you can take it. So I just thought, thought about it for a day. And I said, okay, I had to make the decision Monday. And I said, I may as well kind of leap of faith.

And then I moved down to Vancouver and then, you know, you work part-time, worked your way in and they liked me enough and hired me. And that was the perfect timing because I was at BCTV for about a year, went to VTV, which was a Sportsnet affiliate startup for six months. And then they moved me out to Toronto. So it all exploded, literally double the jobs. There was only TSN. And then right when I started in TV within a year, Sportsnet came on the air. So they were looking for fresh faces and had enough experience, but I wasn't established anywhere else that they could make them, make me one of their own, so to speak.

So you, uh, you were calling junior hockey games, right? I did, yeah. I was, so I was a newspaper, as a beat writer for the Western Hockey League team, Kelowna Rockets, and I went on the road, and Rick Ball, who now calls games on Sportsnet, the Flames games and HockeyNet Canada games, was a play-by-play, and he said, well, you should do, I don't have a color guy, why don't you do it? You're on the road anyway. So I did the color of the games, and with about three minutes left, I had to take off to go write

my game story to get it filed before deadline. And it was, again, I talked about with Damien having the experience of radio before he went on TV and ultimately didn't know then that it was going to, you know, all line up, but it, boy, it made a difference because when you're the color commentator, play-by-play stops, you got 30 seconds to fill before the puck drop and no script.

And you've got to basically describe what you see and you learn that that's something you can do. And it was great. I was never going to be a color commentator guy at a high level because 90% of them are the ex-players. But it sure was a great experience. And then the high of that being Jim Robson, longtime Canuck voice and the legend in our business out that way, joined us one night. He came into town. He just phoned up Rick and said, do you mind if I sit in with you guys today? Rick's like, yeah, what do you think we're going to say?

So we call a game and I hear this voice that I've listened to all my life and he's standing right beside me and talking to me. It was a real, real amazing eureka moment. It sort of almost helped spurn me to think like, okay, I want to do, I want to do this. Nice, nice. Here's a little cross. I get a chance to promote next week's episode, which is Paul Romanuk speaking to people who call junior hockey games and now NHL hockey games.

But so Paul Romanuk comes by next week. So tune in for that one. He's ski. That's Paul. That's how he says it. Ski. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The quickest.

The two things I remember. They're yeah, yeah. That's the quickest. The two things I remember, they're like, skrt! Yeah, and he's using it is over. It is, exactly, yes. Which I'm trying so hard to find.

Maybe I have a little time here. If anyone knows on YouTube, anywhere, the it is over call. Oh, really? Yeah. I can't find it.

International hockey, sometimes the rights are hard to publicly, you just don't see a lot of Olympics like Crosby's goal in that. But yeah, it was 94, right? 94 World Championship. Because I want to play it, obviously.

Instead, I'm going to have to do an imitation of it, which is not nearly as good. That was a signature call, for sure. It is over. Excellent. Now, I have a question from Kujo. He's on Twitter and he asks, not the Kujo, a Kujo. I have to specify. Do you miss Vancouver or are you a GTA-er now? Oh, that's, someone asked me that the other day, actually. So I got the answer prepared.

You're ready then. I feel like I have two hometowns now. I've lived here more of my adult life than I did in Vancouver. My entire family is in Vancouver and that's extended, you know, aunts and uncles, brothers, sisters, everybody's there except me. But then, you know, I've been here now since 99, married, raised two boys. Clearly Toronto is home, but I would never, you know, never feel like, oh, I like it better in Vancouver or vice versa. I love Toronto. I've really grown to, you know, to embrace it. And when I first come out, it wasn't like I ever didn't like it, but I was like, okay, this is where the work is.

Got to be here. Let's make it happen. And so it's fantastic. I get home a couple times a year to Vancouver, and we'll probably, it's a long way off, but we'll probably retire somewhere out west, whether it's down. A lot of my friends and family, they go down to California for the winter instead of Florida.

So we'd probably do that. So there's things that I miss, no question about it, but I don't pine for it. So you miss that. But do you miss the mountains? I would think. Oh, for sure. Like how long does it take you to get used to the fact that you don't see any mountains anywhere? Well, here's a, here's a good story. I started, uh, when I took that buyout, uh, from the newspaper, I had three months before they needed me down at the newspaper. So I was, you know, basically getting paid or down at the TV station in Vancouver. So I was still living in Kelowna.

I took up snowboarding. I'd skied a little bit. I had water skied as a kid. So I thought, okay, good combination. I loved it. And when I moved to Vancouver, I could drive to Grouse Mountain was like 10 or 15 minutes away. So it was a Cypress, which is, you know, 10 times the size of any hill in Ontario.

Whistler was an hour and 10 minutes away. So I brought my snowboard out when I moved to Toronto. It's still packed in the cardboard. And I wasn't even that good to be snobby, but I saw the mountains and I thought, I'm not going to drive two hours to go down the hill for 20 seconds. When I, Whistler, the one time we had a half an hour run, the ski out from the top to the bottom.

So it's still literally still wrapped in the cardboard. I don't know what it looks like inside. But it's like being born blind. Like we don't know any better, but if you're from Vancouver, I could see you having that. It's true. And then, you know, the, when you go back, I mean, on a, on a clear day and I know that, you know, the complaint in Vancouver and people go, if you go there for a week and you get, you get rained on all week and it's like, oh, you can't see anything.

It's claustrophobic. That's fine. But on a, on a clear day when I'm home and you cleared it, I mean, it is spectacular. The, you know, it's as nice as any city in the world, fundamental differences, money goes to, and this is, you know, sort of, uh, stereotyping a bit, but expendable income goes to recreation there, skiing, you know, golfing, biking, hiking, you can do it every day of the year, pretty much. And out here, a lot of the expendable income goes to entertainment.

And that's fine, too. And the biggest change for me was the amount of being a guy that chases live music, the amount of cities within four or five-hour drive here. Seattle's it from Vancouver. That's it. So if bands don't come here, there's that whole circle. And just about every band comes here.

Comes here as well, yeah. And the ones that you want to see more than that, Detroit, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, it's incredible. So Montreal, Ottawa, you know, so it's that aspect of it. And that's just the way it is. We're going to be taking the kids tonight

and my wife's parents to see Grease. And a friend of mine that I went to high school with, I was in one play. She was in all of them. She was a choreographer. She's a big time choreographer in New York. She's working on the Grease in Toronto. So a perfect example of there's not a lot of theater and not a lot of culture in that sense in Vancouver, but they don't miss it. Just like, you know, we don't miss the recreation. Because they're busy snowboarding. Yeah, exactly. There you go. That's a great point.

By the way, some of us actually, even some of us Torontonians bike all year round. I'm just throwing that out there. Oh yeah, no, definitely. I never take a week off. Yeah, no. It's not bad Toronto. I can see Buffalo and Ottawa and you get these

in Barrie, for example, where they got dumped on. We actually have a pretty good winter for cycling. I came out the winter that Mel Lassen brought the army in. That's when I moved. That week I moved. Wow, I remember that. I've only been a couple since then that I would deem really,

but then, yeah, we go to Montreal and Quebec City for Vanier Cups. Ooh, man. It's a whole different story. No, it's totally, totally different story. And speaking of Vancouver, you co-hosted the Vancouver Olympic Games for Sportsnet. So what did you cover? I was the primetime Martin Gaird.

Oh, yeah, the handsome guy. And wow, wow. I hope that there's something that can touch that, but it's going to be pretty tough. Just the odds of that. So Keith Pelley was in charge of that whole thing, and he sat us down, the whole group, and he said, you know know there's probably 400 people working on it crew and everything a couple days before we're in a theater and he ran a inspirational video and he said okay everybody close your eyes for a second and a few people chuckled he goes

listen i'm not gonna you know he goes just you'll know what i mean he said think about how rare it is one that you get an olympics on your network it's in your home. You know, you're selected to be one of the broadcasters. Think about that. And he said, and then he goes, think about your favorite moment in this business. He said, 17 days from now when it's over, I can guarantee that everyone will have the same memory.

And then I said, I didn't say it, I would stand up and go, hey, guess what? But I said in my, in my head and then put it, the fact that it's in my hometown, not only my home nation. So we were, Julie was on mat leave with our second. So she was off. So it was perfect. She came and stayed with my parents, with the two boys, who were, you know, two and under a year.

And then I had the hotel downtown, but it wasn't on the air till three o'clock every afternoon. So in the morning, I would take the new train that they built for the Olympics, a 20 minute ride. And my mom or dad come meet me. I'd go spend time morning with them at breakfast, see the kids and then go back down to work. It was just perfect. I mean, it really was because I had sometimes you're away that long. We're gone basically a month. The Olympics are two and a half weeks, but a lot of prep time and in Vancouver. And it would have obviously gotten through it and everything else, but that situation with my wife

having two young kids at home is less of a distraction that she was there and I was able to see them. It was just fabulous what a time that was. Stephen Brunt was just here, so we played his video essay, which he recorded before the Golden Goal. So it's like, here's the essay that gives you the chills.

Oh, by the way, after I recorded this. Kind of like something is happening here, right? Sort of thing. Yeah. Is that what he sort of, yeah. It was basically, yeah, like it started rough because you had the death on the, the loser died and you had some, there were some technical difficulties with the ceremony. Yeah.

A few weather issues on the hill and. And people couldn't get at the flame or whatever. They had the big fence around it or whatever. That's right. There's a few things like that. But then, and you know, we started slow. Yeah, for sure. But then you had Bilodeau and then suddenly it

just started to snowball. And next thing you know, it, what, most golds ever or something like that. Yeah, yeah. Owned the podium as they said. Set the record and they, and I said, it's funny that you mentioned that, that he did it before the Golden Goal because that was the only thing

that I got to see, Boohoo. But I know all the events started around one or two locally. So Martina and I could never go see anything. The morning guys would do their thing and they'd go to events all night, right? So I asked about, you know, I just asked, I said, if there's any chance, Doug B. Forth, who was our boss then,

said, if there's any chance for tickets to the gold medal game for Martina and I, it'd be great. I said, I know it's good. We didn't have anything to do on the last day. So he got them for us, which was amazing. But everyone that's asked me, I said, here's what I can tell you about the Olympics.

I was at the gold and gold game and it wasn't the highlight of those Olympics. That's how, you know, just the, I mean, you know, the, the emotion and, uh, Jose Chouinard skating, like the, the, um, the young, uh, couple Virtue and Moyer, you know, being the first North Americans to win the ice. John's chugging the beer.

Oh man. King of Kensington walking through Whistler. Like there were so, and, and every one of those stories and every one of those Canadian people were just perfect. Like they just were. Scripted man. They were good citizens. They, they look good, which doesn't hurt, but they were just, you know, we, we just embraced them. Everybody in Canada did. So, so the golden goal was just a kind of a nice little, you know, we just embraced them. Everybody in Canada did.

So the Golden Goal was just a kind of a nice little, you know, cherry on the top, a big cherry. But it just had everything leading up to that. And now they have the, speaking of Vancouver again, they have the Sportsnet station there now. So did you ever have a moment? Did anyone approach you? Hey, do you want to go home again? No, but a few people suggested that I was. I got started to get John Shorthouse, who calls the Canuck Games.

He sends me a note. I'm in Cleveland for the NBA Finals and I get a note from him and goes, are you coming home? I'm hearing rumors. That's all he said. So then I sent him a note. And then three different people said the same thing. And I think that was just all, you know, the way people naturally talk. People connect dots. You're there.

For sure. And then they said, oh, John's going to hear you. Come out, do radio, and you'll do other things like Canucks and stuff like that. And then finally, after the third person, I sent a note to Dave Cadeau, who runs Fanta, I said, is there something I should know? Yeah. And he goes, do you want to go? And I said, I just kind of laughed. He goes, yeah.

I said, I'll contribute. And he said, yeah. So it's like I said, we just, you know, made some renovations in our house and everything else. And it doesn't make sense maybe uh five or ten years from now if it had started up and you kind of feel like but it was yeah it's interesting you mentioned that because those rumors write themselves because you're from there and you're sort of i don't want to say a man about a country that's a line from the wire by the way i don't

get to drop my wireline but you're a man about of our country. But I'll let Mike Cohen out. So Mike Cohen on Twitter, hashtag Real Talk, he writes, has Brad Fay ever been approached to be a full-time host at the Fan 590? Yeah, and I haven't. And right now it doesn't make sense because my calendar is pretty full. I'm filling in again next week for Bob. So I do a lot more of it. I think that's what helped with those Vancouver rumors because I was starting to do more radio. But yeah, as of now

with everything that I host on TV, a full-time radio gig would not make sense. Now, if they had said to me, you're going to Vancouver to do radio, and I said, I don't want it, well, there's no choice. Obviously, you go and you make it work. But it was, you know, yeah, there was I don't want it. Well, there's no choice. Obviously, you go and you make it work. But it was, you know, yeah, there was never any truth to those. They sent Walker instead. Yes, that's right. And he made friends immediately when he got there by ripping the Canucks a few times on Twitter.

Oh, yeah, that's right. They dig up anything. Oh, for sure. You say one thing. On that note, I thought we didn't want our broadcasters to be homers. Like, can we decide what we want here? Well, that's totally it. Yeah, people rip you both ways, right? Well, they'll rip Wilner, for example, because maybe he defends

a bad start by the Blue Jays. Oh, you're a homer. And meanwhile, we're ripping Walker for criticizing the hometown Canucks. Make up your mind, man. It's Twitter's in that sense, it's awful. Like, we want fans only. They got a fan show they started.

The Dark Guy's got a show on TSN now. Yes. That's like serving the servants, if you will. Like that's like, hey, Leaf fans, we're Leaf fans, and let's talk about Go Leafs Go. Yeah. Let's plan the parade together. Like that's not covering a team.

No. That's cheering on a team. That's a different thing. No, exactly. And there's a fine line, too, because when the Canucks played the Flames in the playoffs a couple years ago and I had hosted the Canuck games during the year but we didn't do anything in the playoffs with that it was just all Hockey Night Canada so I um I just wrote a kind of a tongue-in-cheek column about how as a

Canuck fan I never hated a team more than I did the Flames. And I went back to 89 and 94, two legendary series, 2002 even they played, but it's like, or four, 2004. But I just mentioned, I said, you know, it's fun to not be involved and to be able to hate again. The playoffs matter to me now. And I just, you know, and the Canuck fans went crazy. They loved it. But it's Flames fans, like some of the language, I said, dude, it's a hockey game, you know?

And then the one guy goes, okay, you're right. So then fast forward six months, I'm speaking at, my friend teaches a journalism class at Ryerson. So I'm speaking there and open the floor to questions. First question, the guy in the back says, you're kind of known on Twitter as a Flames hater.

So I'm just wondering how you, and I go, wait a second. You talk about the playoffs, this guy was from Calgary. And I said, yeah, that's a long way from, you know, so, and again, like you said, you can't win either way. No, you can't win for losing, as they say.

You mentioned primetime sports filling in for Bob next week. So Lowell Williamson on Twitter has an interesting question. Are you in line to take over primetime sports after Bob leaves? I don't think anybody is. I don't think Bob's ever gonna, gonna leave. Uh, and it's, you know, it's interesting because that's a, a job, like I haven't even given it that much thought.

I enjoy doing the radio and I literally hadn't done any. I did scattered stuff until about a year ago. Now it's starting where I do, and I do both of where I do Damien's role when he's off sometimes with Bob and then, uh, Bob's role when he's off with Damien. And I seem to be able to, Damien and I, as I said, we've talked earlier, are friends.

And Bob seems to tolerate me, likes, he doesn't like everybody. No, he does. He has a book, you know. Yes. I feel good, you know, that it's like he, I get him, he gets me. But it's, yeah, it's one of those things where, you know, you feel the whole thing, we'll dive into it, but HockeyNet Canada,

when Strombo took over for Ron, it's whoever follows the guy that's been doing it forever. Yeah, that's the legacy guy. Yeah, it's a really difficult gig. So whoever does it, and I would feel like, you know, like Bob, his contract's always up, it seems, you know, and it's good for him. He's earned that.

He established, he almost invented the genre in this country. He can do it as long as he wants. If it happened in the next couple of years, I feel like it might be too early, but it's also something if they ever talk to you, you got to listen. And then, but I think the key is you have to make sure you're, you're guaranteed because if there's going to be a drop, people are used to Bob, right? Whoever comes in unless, you know, you can only think of a few people and really in this country. Oh, like Dan Schulman. That's the

rumor du jour. And because he's now, yeah, coming back. Available. That would make sense now, but if he's doing baseball games for half the year, is he going to be able to host that show and then race down? So a guy like him would be a natural slide over because some people may say, okay, he's not as surly as Bob and I like him,

but there's not going to be a big drop. For the most part, it's going to be a big adjustment, a big change. So whoever, you know. Well, Brad, we know this. Everyone knows this. So what you do is if you are the guy

who's going to take over for Bob when Bob retires or whatever, you have to put somebody in there to be the fall guy, to fail for a few months. Once you yank him, you're the king who comes in to clean the throne. And that's it. And in the Hockenick Canada version, it worked out with Ron coming

back, which worked out for him. And it's at Strombo like Giles Field. It was a no-win situation for him, and it probably wasn't the right fit, as it turns out. This is a guy that's got a profile as big as anybody in this country in other things. But it's, I also think the other thing they should do in those situations is, so say Bob

says, comes and says, I'm going to do two more years and that's it. Make sure whoever's filling in for him is the person that's going to take him. People get comfortable. Yeah. So it's not like. They do Jay Leno, right?

Yeah. There you go. Yeah. And then, not like. They do Jay Leno, right? Yeah. There you go. Yeah. And then, you know, we know how that worked out. But it's like you stop and then it's not like a huge adjustment because Bob gets so many holidays. He's off 14 weeks a year. So if you have the same guy for two years doing

a third of the year, at least when they take over, you know, it's going to be like, okay, no, I'm more comfortable with this guy. And you also could get an idea whether the people like or hate this guy. If you see the ratings go up and down or you get a lot of complaints, then, you know, anyway. But yeah, he, Bob started a firestorm and not too strong of a word, more of a personal one in terms of amongst my friends, because I was at the NBA finals in Golden State and they had me on and Damian and Bob kept kept talking and they

asked me a question but they kept talking I didn't get to answer I was on on by phone and then Damian goes we got to let let Brad talk you keep cutting him off and Bob said something along the lines of well he goes I know he goes he's gonna have plenty of time to talk because he's gonna be the guy in this chair when I'm done he said he just said it like, you know, and I'm sure he said it before. And so immediately ping, ping, ping, people are like, is there something, you know? Yeah. Then you're in the air. Absolutely not.

But it's like, yeah, it's nice. It was nice to hear. Yeah. No, that's cool. And good because I can't seem to get the current host of Primetime Sports to come in my basement and talk to me. Big surprise. I have the next one, which is, we'll have to do.

Okay. big surprise i have the next one which is okay a couple of uh questions i have regarding a couple of different hazels ah couple of different hazels different hazels so in 2007 i ran the the hazel 5k it's a mississauga yeah marathon race the mayor i ran it and i remember i got there early and i'm ready and i'm 95 sure you were the guy who cut the ribbon for this race. Have you ever cut a ribbon for a race? No. No. No.

Okay. It wasn't me. You know what? I was only, I wasn't 100% sure because, you know, you're kind of nervous and you're getting ready. And I thought, I thought it was you. Yeah. But I couldn't remember.

But this was, this was back in 07. But that was not you. You've never cut a ribbon for a Hazel 5K. No. Alright, that Hazel question is out the window. Alright, there's another Hazel I want to ask you about. You dated Hazel May. You're the right guy, right? The wrong brat here. Didn't cut the ribbon,

but yeah. Hazel's been here with her husband, who's a larger gentleman than you. Kevin. Yes, he looks like he could eat you for breakfast. That's tremendous. Tremendous, as Kevin would say. He's great. So I don't know if everyone knows that.

It's kind of public because it's out there, but you and Hazel dated. Yeah, a long time ago. I'm guessing, so let me see. Do the math backwards because I got married in 2005

and my wife and I met and it it was at the NBA all-star game in 2004 she works at Sportsnet so it was it would have been like 2002 late 2002 before she went away to Boston right and you know then ended up coming back here but it was uh it was a blast it was very brief it was about three three months or so and she had just started at sports net so i i saw the profile rise i saw where the first couple times we went out and nobody knew if she wasn't by the end of the three or four months it was like everyone right you know and then people started that became a thing like i heard you uh you know anyway uh so that way yeah anyways it was an interesting insight to see what that would be like for, and I think when she was in Boston, her profile went even higher.

She was just a, you know, a superstar in that, within the media, within the magazines and everything else. And now back, she's so good in her role, doing what she's doing with the Blue Jays. She's given that broadcast a real boost. And she's a very, yeah, very cool girl. And for the record, you never dated Hazel McCallion. No. Just want to put that on the record, you never dated Hazel McCallion. No, I didn't.

Just want to put that on the record here in case there's any confusion there. All right, and two more questions from Twitter. Jay Reeves wants to know who you like for the men's NCAA Final Four next March. Who's winning the March 9 tournament? Wow, yeah, well, you know, I'm... Too early?

Yeah, I mean, it always, you know, he's the same team. Duke, I know, is number one again. And I'm a Duke fan only because, very quickly, Vancouver high school basketball, Quinn Snyder, who now coaches in the NBA, he was a high school player in Seattle. We used to get their games, believe it or not, in Vancouver. I wore number 10 because he wore number 10 in high school. And he went to Duke. I'd never heard of Duke.

Like, you know, you know the state names, Kentucky and Indiana and everything else is like Duke, what's this? So I started to follow them and he was there for Krzyzewski's first, uh, final four teams. And he was gone by the time they won the national championship. But I always feel like, yeah, the big name teams, Kentucky, Duke, you can't go wrong with those. But my only prediction with the NCAA is that eventually one of these mid-major schools is going to win because you're talking about upperclassmen, 22-year-old kids that are the second best group in the country playing against the best who are 18.

And eventually, that experience is going to find its way. It almost happened with Butler a few years ago against Duke, as a matter of fact. I'm a bit younger than you, so I grew up loving the Fab Five from Michigan. So I hated Duke. Yes, you have to. I had passion. Christian, yeah have to, yeah. I had passion. Christian, yeah, I just hated that team. But, oh, man.

Tennis question from Mike G. Is Shapo, I want to call him El Shapo. Yeah, call him Shapo, yeah. I struggle with that one. Shapo Valov. Is he going to pass Rayanich as the men's single player in Canada? The men's single player in Canada. The men's single player in Canada.

Right now, he's kind of struggling a little bit after that. You know, that was quite, I figured there'd be a letdown after that was an amazing couple of months where he played way over his head. Oh, yeah, it was must-see TV for a while. Yeah, it really was. And I think the one thing he has over Milos is the flair and the, you know, the excitement. He's a lefty. He's got the hair, the way he plays.

Like Milos is so down, you know, it's a serve. It's one of the great weapons in the history of tennis is his serve. So it's never going to be the exciting long type of points. So I would say when they get to be on even terms, if Shapovalov catches him, that he will become the guy for the public if he isn't already.

But he's got a long way to go, given I think we forget. Milos, to me, reminds me of Mike Weir, where Weir got top five in the world, and then everyone's, oh, Weir used to be good. He can't win anymore. It's like, listen, the guy, like Milos Raonic is a top 10 player in the world. That's a high level that we've never had before.

Never. So give Schapel-Valoff time, but it's exciting for Canada, especially like Davis Cup, things like that. They might have two guys now. Yeah, it's really fun to have a rooting interest, other than obviously rooting for the classics, if you will. It's nice to have a homeboy to

root for in these big tournaments. Exhibit A is that week at the Davis or at the Rogers Cup. We had the highest ratings we've ever had for that event, and on Monday, it looked like it was going to be a disaster. We knew Milos was hurt, likely wouldn't be able to play. Murray pulls out right before. Obviously, Nadal and Federer made a good run.

And then Nadal getting knocked out was only okay because it was Shapovalov that knocked him out. But that story and that kid, yeah, like people, there was a couple of guys on Twitter, why do you keep mentioning the Canadians every day? Everyone's here to watch Federer and Nadal. I just sent back finally. He was relentless. I just said back finally. I was relentless.

I just said, you don't get how it works, do you? Because Federer and Nadal, their matches would get a couple hundred thousand. And Shapovalov on the Friday night, there was 500,000 people watching. Because it's like an Olympics, right? Yeah. Penny Oleksiak, nobody knew who she was on day one.

Right. She wins her medal out of nowhere on day two. And then by day three, is she swimming today? When's she on? When's she on? You're right. It's in your calendar.

Like, I need to be in front of the TV at this time. And you fall in love with these people. Just like, wow, when are they playing next? And it just sort of, you know, and then it quiets down for a bit, but you know who they are. Small world story. Robbie J., who's coming over to kick out the jams, Rob Johnston, he still

does technical... Do I have that sound bite? It's technical... Here, let me play it real quick here. I think I have it. Technical Productions by Rob Johnston. So he still does technical production on the ongoing history of new music. He says that his kid and yours played in the same novice hockey team. So a small world story for you.

He knows you from there. I'm going to save Tyler's question for the kick out the jams because he's asking about an artist that's going to show up. My last question is about Jamie Campbell. Do you think Jamie, would he do this podcast? I think so for sure.

Yeah, I think so for sure. Jamie's got a lot of good stories too, and he's a music guy as well. Well, Marty York was on. Marty York. Ah, yes, Marty. And he dropped a Jamie story. Yeah.

And I need to confirm it with Jamie, so I need to get him on at least to confirm the Marty York story. Is there anything involving a moon? No, I don't think so. Okay. Well, then you ask. Put that one. Mark that one down. What I like about Jamie is I just read the story. It's a little

bit old, this story, but it's new to me that he named his son after Gilles Villeneuve. Yes. And that's an interesting story, how he pulls that off. Yeah, and one of the middle names is actually Villeneuve. But didn't clear it with his wife first.

Well, he basically, because we're quite good friends. They live in our neighborhood. So my wife and Allison, Jamie's wife, are best friends now. And Allison was just telling the story the other night. And it was basically they hadn't agreed on that name. They had two names. Jack is what they ended up naming their son,

and they had one other name. And so when he was born, and all the emotion, and Allison's lying there, and she says, Jack, and he says, okay, Jack. And then he looks and he says, Jack, there's a second name, villain of Campbell, right? And he says it to the nurse, you know, and they're writing it down, and Allison just kind of, as you can imagine, having just given birth,

and just sort of, you know, emotional, it kind of goes with it anyway, so she got a kick out of it. But he pulled it off. Yeah, he's a massive racing fan, Jamie. Yeah, apparently. If you're going to name your kid Villeneuve, absolutely. Yeah, I think that's his favorite athlete of all time. So I won't even ask you to ask Bob to come on,

okay? I won't even put you in that position. But if you're talking to Jamie, tell him about the experience here and get him in here. No, he'd love it. Especially now, off-season. Yes. Right, right, right, right. It's funny. The Golden Goal story made me think of the time I saw Canada-Russia play for gold in the World Juniors a few years ago at the Air Canada Centre. And while I was waiting for my ticket in my jersey,

I saw Greg Zahn and Jamie Campbell waiting for tickets. At the World Junior? At the World Junior. I was with them that night. I was with them, and yeah. I still have my ticket stub, I think, above the... And we ended up, we were right behind the Canadian bench. So Greg Zahn had gotten them somehow through

somebody with the Leafs. He was at the wheel call window, so he had pulled some strings. So we were right behind the bench, and then as soon as the game starts, our phones all start lighting up, and it's on TSN. Here's three sports numbers,

and we were in every shot, every time they showed the bench, and by the third period, true story, they stopped using the bench shot, because it's like, particularly Greg, his profile is mad.

I mean, he's like, you know, like a Don Cherry. Don Cherry, yeah. So it's like, here's the Sportsnet people sitting behind the bench. But yeah, that was a wild game. It reminds me of when Rayanich was in a semifinal for Wimbledon. Or was it a final?

I think it was a Wimbledon final. Final, yeah. Right. And TSN had the broadcast rights and they were picking up the feed from the Wimbledon breakfast at Wimbledon or whatever. And they brought on Carolyn Cameron. Carolyn Cameron, yes. So there I am, I'm watching TSN had the broadcast rights and they were picking up the feed from the Wimbledon breakfast at Wimbledon or whatever. And they brought on Carolyn Cameron. Carolyn Cameron, yes.

So there I am, I'm watching TSN. And everyone's watching it because Milos is in the freaking Grand Slam final. Absolutely, absolutely, yeah. And Carolyn's on the TV and I thought, oh, TSN does love this. I know, yeah. I think there was a little bit of chaos after that. Too funny. Oh, everybody listening, I encourage you to go to patreon.com slash Toronto Mike

and help crowdfund Toronto Mike so we can get people like Jamie Campbell to come over and discuss the Marty York story. So please give what you can at patreon.com slash Toronto Mike. Brad, you already discovered

there's a six pack in front of you. It's going home with you. Oh, beautiful. I think that's a Audrey Hotburn. Yeah. It's like a 750-mil bottle. There's two of the Canuck ones in there, which is good, the Johnny Canuck,

so I'm going to save one of them just as a display because that's fantastic. And tweet a picture because the Great Lakes guys. Absolutely, yeah. And fiercely, as I read off the top, a fiercely independent brewery.

Yes. So they love that stuff. So enjoy your beer. If you need a pint glass to pour your beer into, you're going to take one home with you. It's right beside you there. That's courtesy of Brian Gerstein from propertyinthesix.com. Oh, okay. Nice.

Brian is a massive tennis fan who is friendly with Milos. tennis fan who is friendly with Milos. Like, I believe, if I got this story right, Brian gave a six-pack of Great Lakes Brewery to Milos at some point. Like, they're neighbors or something. North York or Thornhill or wherever the heck they are. Yeah, Thornhill's where he's from, but

I don't know. He might be a North York guy now. But anyway, he's a massive tennis fan, so I know he'll be listening to this episode. So, let's hear from Brian himself. Brian Gerstein here, sales representative with PSR Brokerage. With the country's bank regulator tightening the mortgage rules effective January 1st for all lenders, this will have a huge impact as it will affect those buyers

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Are you ready to kick out the jam? Absolutely. Here we go. Gourmet The Rangers had a homecoming In Harlem late last night And a magic rat drove his sleek machine over the Jersey state line Barefoot girl sitting on the hood of a Dodge

Drinking warm beer in the soft summer rain The rat pulls in the towel, rolls up his pants Together they take a stab at romance and disappear down from England Together they take a stab at romance and disappear down Flamingo Lane. Will a maximum law man run down Flamingo chasing her in a barefoot girl? The kids around here look just like shadows I was quiet, holding hands

From the churches to the jails Tonight all is silent in the world As we take our stand Down in Jungleland The boss. Indeed. Bruce Springsteen, Jungle Land. Tell me why you love this song. Oh, man.

Why don't I? Why don't I? Why wouldn't I? That, you know, I gave you my 10 songs in no order. But if you wanted order, this is the number one song of all time for me. I didn't know it was no order. So I used the order you sent them in. Yeah. So this is always, I have to put it first because it's always number one.

The rest of the order is random. I, a huge lyric guy, huge Springsteen guy, which we're going to talk about, huge lyric guy. This is some of his greatest poetry. It's a story that changes direction four or five different times, elicits this unbelievable emotion, paints a picture. It just, yeah, every single time I hear it, especially live, which he doesn't play it all the time. It's, yeah, every single time I hear it, especially live, which he doesn't play it all the time. It's a treat when he does. It's like he,

they described it back in the day, it's like by the end of the song, he dies on stage with the character. It's just, yeah, it's an incredible, like the musicianship, the sax solo itself is three minutes long,

the piano from Roy Bitton, it's just a mini opera, basically, his opus, I think. It's his Paradise in the Desk Paradise. Yeah, yeah, it's just that, you know, told in a different way, but yeah, it's all the whole, basically it takes place a whole night in New York,

and, you know, it's involving street gangs, involving, and the characters come back throughout the course. Like that little opening passage that was playing where the barefoot girl sitting on the hood of a Dodge drinking warm beer in the soft summer rain. I mean, that's pretty descriptive, right? And everyone's seen that. Everyone's done it. You picture the heat of New Jersey. You picture the, there's just, yeah, it's incredible. You picture the heat of New Jersey.

There's just, yeah, it's incredible. So here comes a sax solo, which, again, changes pace on its own about three different times. I think it's almost three minutes long. But I love when music, instrumentally, can tell a story. This is when it gets to be like opera in the sense that you feel the change and you understand what's going on. Anyway, absolutely love it.

I mentioned I had a question from Tyler. I was saving. I knew we had a 10-minute Bruce song coming up, so I said, I'm going to save that one. Tyler asks, how many times have you seen The Boss? Well, I know Mike Hogan kind of hinted at it, right? With you? Yeah.

I am, believe it or not, I'm approaching triple digits. That's amazing. I'm in 96. or not I'm approaching triple digits. That's amazing. I'm at 96 and the key to that is I've never seen the same set list twice. 96 shows over

33 years never seen the same set list twice and that's what keeps you going back. It's the experience like nothing else. I always say to people listen, that's like having season tickets for a little over two years at least.

How many of those games do you walk out of where you're out of your mind and it just moves you, it takes you different places? He plays three and a half hours every night. You're getting your money's worth, and it's, yeah, traveled all over the world to see him. It's part of the experience. What's the furthest you've gone to see Bruce? I saw him in Europe three times, all in one trip,

and Paris, and then in Switzerland and in Germany. And part of the fun is my best buddy, Dave, in Calgary comes on a lot of the trips we meet, play golf, we do that kind of thing. But there's been a community of people that you get to know. I mean, I'm not alone in that regard. People, oh, you think Bruce knows you? I go, yeah, sure. There's people I know that I don't, and I don't profess to want to be these people,

but the people have seen him 500 times. There's some guys that have money. A lawyer I know, when Bruce is on tour, he shuts his business down and follows him everywhere he goes. Could you imagine being able to do that? Like, that's amazing. That's the dream. That's the dream. And, you know, every night, I've never, one of my buddies said, somebody one night said, 96, like, whoa, you know, kind of thing. I said, okay, I'm going to stop saying the number if people are, you know, they don't get it. And my buddy goes, yeah, he goes, probably regret a lot of things in your life. I'm guessing that 96 shows seeing Bruce Springsteen, they aren't, they aren't 96 of them that you regret. Like it's never, you know, never been a disappointing show, never been. And it's part of the, you know, making a trip, making a road trip, seeing him in

New Jersey, seeing him in different places is always kind of fun. And meeting the groups of people that I know from all around the world now that are fans and you get together, it's very cool. Very cool. Positive experience. And you're so close to that 100. Like, there needs to be, I don't know,

you need to make t-shirts or a jacket or whatever with 100 on the back. Yeah, that's right. They'd be a New York Giants jersey or something. I wonder now, I'm to be, I don't know, you need to make T-shirts or a jacket or whatever with 100 on the back. Yeah, that's right. Maybe a New York Giants jersey or something. I wonder now, I'm wondering, do I know anybody, not that I know you, I'm meeting you for the first time, but do I know anyone who's seen an artist triple digits? I bet you I don't. I have to drill into this one. That's quite the feat.

So I say it's a lot of years, and the number has really gone up in the last 15 years because when he got the band back together, Reunion Tour in 99-2000, he's been relentless since then touring. And I think it's who he is. I read his autobiography, and he basically battled a little bit of depression. He said being on the stage escapes. Like you talk about playing a role, that's his role. That's why he doesn't want to leave. The encores keep going and going.

Right. I mean, I grew up when Born in the USA was the big release. That's what hooked me. I didn't know much before that, but that was the first tour I saw. But that was the legend I would hear at the time.

At the time, I thought, I don't know, he was a naive kid. I thought, like, you got your 90 minutes. I'm like, it's amazing if someone gives you two hours. This is my mindset. And then you'd hear about these three-hour concerts that Bruce was doing. You're like, he goes for three hours. And full intensity.

There's no, the biggest reaction I get when people see him for the first time is the first three or four songs. They look at me like the veins are popping. He's screaming like it doesn't like it doesn't work into it. It doesn't say anything for the first five songs. There's another line. The poets down here don't write nothing at all. They just stand back and let it all be. I mean, this guy's 25 years old writing this stuff.

It's pretty incredible. Yeah, what album is this from? This is Born to Run. Last song of Born to Run, yeah. I'm not even dead. Born to Run, yeah. So it's, yeah, this album, Thunder Road starts it and Jungle Road finishes it. Jungle Land finishes it.

It's kind of like a, he always looks at his one long summer night, the whole album, and it's sort of that kind of story. Well, when we play your fourth jam, I'm going to come back to this jam and ask you about similarities my ears detect. Sure. There's a teaser for everybody.

Stick around for Brad's fourth jam. I got a lot of long songs on my ten. I hope that's all right. I realize. I'm not complaining. That's sort of the weaving theme for me is songs that have different parts to them and they're long and not all of them,

but there's a lot more. I think this is your longest, but you do have a jam, your eighth jam, where I had to decide which version to use. Ah. I had to make a decision. Yeah.

Because one version is like seven hours long. Yes. I think I know what you're talking about. All right. That was great. Let's hear your second jam. Thank you. We'll be fighting in the streets With our children at our feet In the morrows the day worship will be gone We'll be right back. Sings the song I tip my hat

To the new constitution Take a bow For the new revolution Smiling green At the change all around Pick up my guitar and play Just like yesterday Then I'll get on my knees

And pray Damn, does that sound good in the headphones? Yeah, absolutely. Some kid out there, young kids listening, oh, he's a big CSI fan. Right. That's Won't Get Fooled Again, The Who. Little trivia on that song, they never actually say

Won't Get Fooled Again. He says, don't get fooled again every time. So the song, Won't Get Fooled, who knows? Favorite band before I was exposed to Springsteen was The Who. And there's a lot narrowing it down. I could have done a top ten with just Who songs and Springsteen songs

wanted to try to you know make it a little more so I'm not looking too too narrow narrow my focus but

this is another song that's great live and that for the most part I think there's one song on my list I've never seen live but

that's a big thing for me is songs the way they transform in the live arena. And this song is just an absolute, you know, titanic blast. It's amazing. I can imagine.

And timeless, too, you know? Regardless of what's going on, this song can be a protest song, an anthem, or whatever you want to call it. It's not written specifically about anything. And I think this one's about approximately nine minutes, so it's a little shorter than Jungle Man. Oh, man, I apologize.

No, no, please. Brad, your jams are your jams. Never apologize. That's right. Easy for me are road trips, you know. It's 10 songs to cover the... That's right. To get to here to Detroit.

I love these epic songs like this. Yeah. Did you ever find yourself in a bar or whatever getting into those debates? The Who versus Led Zeppelin, which is the better band? Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think, and then you add the Stones and that kind of mix.

But Who and Zeppelin, I think, are a good comparison because so heavy and so, and fans are pretty rabid. I would, I like the Who better, but I don't have an argument for anyone who says Led Zeppelin is, you know. And speaking of live, anyone who ever saw them says that they're just, they were the kings of that. Talk about long, right? You look at the set list, 16 songs. How was it three hours long? Well, because Jimmy Page would make Stairway to Heaven 18 minutes or however long he wanted to

on a specific night. Right. But all, can you imagine that? All the same era within about, all those great bands, all within about a six, seven year span. And they're still, Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin and The Who

probably still considered the four, you know. The pillars, if you will. Yeah, Pink Floyd, I guess in there, U2 has kind of made a dent since then, but it's really my library of music is so much of basically 65 to 75 and it's my wife always goes,

did you have a head injury when you were about 11 years old? Don't listen to much beyond that. No, sometimes I find that I've listened to like X days in a row where I put on like an album I bought in the 90s. You know what I mean? And you go back, you know, I find that I'm not in the car very much anymore. So we live close to where I work and I don't have to travel a lot to work. So when you have the time,

when you sit down, if I sit in the back deck with a cigar and a drink and you've got a half an hour, especially with young kids, you're going to go back to your, you're not going to warm up to, you're going to play your four or five songs

and the next night you play another four or five and you're back in that rotation because those are the ones that move you. There's a thousand songs that I love and could listen to. But when you have those moments where you want to, as you say, kick out the gems, you've got to go back to what you know. Now, believe it or not, I've never seen any of the CSIs ever. No. So can you tell me, what are the Who songs that make up CSI theme songs?

This is one. Who Are You is one. and Bubba O'Reilly I think are the three, right? Yeah, those might be the big three, actually. Yeah, Bubba O'Reilly I think is in New York. This one is there's a guy yeah, because there's three CSI

shows. Now there's been us, but in terms of the original three. But this is the one because this is the Miami because David Caruso where he takes the glasses off and says, well, it looks like we've got a murder. And then it's the scream

with Roger Daltrey. And you know, the end of this, when they go back into the keyboards here and the synth stuff, and then the scream from Roger Daltrey is maybe the greatest scream in rock history. We'll jack it up for the scream. Give me like a is maybe the greatest scream in rock history. Well, we'll jack it up for the scream. Just give me like a 10-second heads up.

Yeah, yeah. You've got a couple minutes still because it goes back. But this is all Townsend experimenting, just looping stuff. Like he just hits a button and this just goes. And then control by, it's almost like the Peter Frampton with the mouth thing, that he'd control it through the guitar. Right, yeah. And it just is on a loop.

This and Bubba O'Reilly are the two, and it's just amazing. And again, not really much beat to this music, but you're live by this point. The crowd, they're all clapping rhythmically to it. The band just stands there waiting, and then the drums come in, and it's pretty incredible. And everybody's heart rate is just going. Totally. Because mine's going right now. Yeah. This is all traditionally the song that they would close their the main set with and they come back you know do an encore but this was traditionally so it's always like

the good news bad news like oh my favorite song by the who and that's like oh that means the show is almost over right yeah this song was made to be listened to with headphones on. Oh, absolutely, yeah. That's probably a tie-in for most of my songs, too. But as you notice, there's a few that range off of the, you know, the odd one that doesn't fit. Oh, yeah, there's one that's sticking out like a sore thumb. I can't wait to chat with you about it. As soon as the drums come in is when we're getting ready for the scream.

Right here. As soon as the drums come in is when we're getting ready for the screen. We the new boss Same as the old boss Same as the old boss Another line that lives forever. I love this jam kicking because we're an hour into this thing and we've got eight jams to go. Get comfortable, my friend.

Get comfortable, my friend. Big finish. Wow. Let's kick out another jam. Oh, mistake. Is that right? Okay. That's Jet.

Same artist, same album, one song before. Okay, give me a second here. It's funny. I never made a mistake till the last jam kicking with Sarah Boesveld where I had a corrupted MP3. It was Bob Seger. Night Moves. Night Moves, yeah. Yeah.

And I had a corrupted MP3 and it had never happened before, but here it happens again. Give me a second. Tell us a story, Brad. Well, I... Why are you fine? And that's from the same album,

the title track. If you're going to play that, it's the, before I give it away, but it's the same. The album that that song, Jet, that you just played is, the title track from that album

is the one that you're trying to find. I think that's what's tripping me up because I'm sticking in. Hold on here. He put the album in maybe and it popped up. And that's a great song too. Just saw McCartney down in Detroit with my wife.

She'd never seen him. I'd seen him a few times. And another guy, three hour show. And he's 75 years old. Okay, good news is it is. I found it. Yeah. This is all to build anticipation.

Yes, of course. Let's try that again. There it is. Favorite start to any song is that first, that crispy guitar is fantastic. guitar solo Stuck inside these four walls Sent inside forever Never seeing no one Dice again

It's the first favorite song I remember as a kid, hearing this on the radio and just falling in love. It's the first, you know, playing my own record. Another one of those three-part songs that I like. Slow, faster, fastest, and crafted. Stairway's a bit like that. Yeah, for sure. All I need is a pint a day If I ever get out of here If we ever get out of here Well the rain exploded with a mighty crash

As we fell into the sun And the first one said to the second one there I hope you're having fun Man on the run Man on the run Man on the run Not to be confused with man on the run that many people think it is, and I thought it was as a kid too.

Dave Bedini. Yes, he did a couple years ago, he did a song at 45 a day for the whole year. He broke one down. He had people do it. I guess I was one of them. I did this song. So I sort of did an essay on why I love it and sort

of explained it all. So is this something is a podcast he had? No, it was just he posted it on a blog. That sounds like something I would want to listen to. Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't. So I think some of them might have had bits and pieces of the song, but it was like a blog thing and it was a neat idea.

He started a newspaper. Yes, that's right, I did. I saw that on Twitter, yeah. Yeah, he's a beauty. So this is credited, this is Wings, right? Yes. The band on the run. Yeah.

And you're right, you love the epic songs. For sure. And Tell a Story, and It Brings You Back, and this was very Beatles-esque by the end when they were doing those those long piece and things together this feels like three different songs that he had in his head and then just made them all the you know but i uh yeah that acoustic guitar in the middle and then the one of my favorite lines in his song the rain exploded with a mighty crash as we fell into

the sun i just let you know there's that's the beauty of fell into the sun i mean what you know you know what he's talking about, but we can't write that. He's Paul McCartney. So this song has been in my head since you sent me your list. Yeah. In my head, Band on the Run. Twice now, I've alluded to Live and Let Die.

Yeah. And I've referred to Paul McCartney's band as The Band instead of Wings because my brain is meaning Band the run and i heard myself do it and i'm like did i just did i just say that and i'm like oh if only i could edit these things but i refuse i enjoyed guns and roses i like their live and not die yeah they do a good job with that they did do a good job on that uh but speaking of mccartney Wings, there's lots of debates. Who had the best post-Beatles career? And you can make a good argument for three of them.

Yeah. I'm going to assume you're in the Paul McCartney camp. Yeah. I mean, obviously, when I say longevity, I don't say that dismissively, given the horrible tragedy that befell John Lennon. But even then, in the last five years of Lennon's life, he had checked out musically. He was, again, like the big finish, start and finish, not a fade out, you know.

And I think that John, the really sad thing for music fans is that he was completely reengaging. That Double Fantasy album was great. And so we met a scene. And I think we might have seen, and I think we would have seen a reunion only because not for, they didn't need money. They don't, they're all billionaires. I think that when something like USA for Africa,

you know, the Live Aid and those things came along, they had a chance, you do the math, they could raise probably $5 billion doing one pay-per-view concert. You don't like it. So anyway, but I think McCartney, because of the longevity, Harrison was the best early.

I think the first couple of years, he had all that material that they had kept from the Beatle album. So his first, those three, All Things Must Pass, I think the three album set, right? And then, and Lennon is just, you know, with Imagine, that's the most enduring song

maybe of all time. So I agree, good argument. They all were good. A previous jam kicker had Imagine in his top 10. And then Mike Stafford came on from 640. Yeah. And he kicked out the jams and he had a Harrison song on his.

And he made the comment that he felt Imagine was completely overrated. It was like bad teenage poetry. That was Mike Stafford's hot take on that. That's interesting. Yeah. So it's funny how Beatle fans get involved with one against the other. You have the Beatles, but

no, it was John's band. No, it's Paul's band. Here Comes the Sun is my wife's favorite song of all time. He's what I call the black horse. If you need the cool pick, if you need to go off the track and have your cool pick, you go with George Harrison. You can make a good argument, but I think

you might be right with Paul McCartney there. But let's move on. By the way, I have a question for you. When you were listening to that song on the radio back in the day, did they have a radio edit of that song or did they play that whole five and a half minutes? They played the whole one, yeah, which is interesting you say that

because usually it had to be under four minutes for a single, right? So it was starting to change things. I think what might have changed it was the Bohemian Rhapsody. Yeah. That was like six minutes or something. That's right. And isn't it the worst thing when you listen to the radio

and that it's a song that you know and they've shortened it down and you're kind of like, wait, you missed the verse. You're missing the best part. Yeah. Let's kick out another jam. I'm at the grade eight dance.

I can feel it right now. This is not the sore thumb one for you, is it? No. No. I got a feeling which one it is. I just thought just in case because it's a valid one. It's not this one. In fact,

I'll talk after Meatloaf hits that two out of three chorus there, but I'm not at all surprised to hear that you would enjoy a song from Bad Out of Hell. Yes. Great album. not at all surprised to hear that you would enjoy a song from Bad Out of Hell. Yes. Great album. Again, epic, operatic

feel. It's, you know, I want to see the play, too. Jim Steinem, that's the gentleman who made the music, right? Yeah. And Todd Rundgren is producing this. Yeah, and Max Weinberg and Roy Bitton both play on it from the E Street Band, so I didn't know that one originally.

What a voice he had, Milo. He's still around, but his voice is not what it sounds like. I'm crying icicles instead of tears And all I can do Is keep on telling you I want you I need you But there ain't no way I'm ever gonna love you

Now don't be sad. Don't be sad. Cause two out of three ain't bad. Now don't be sad. Cause two out of three ain't there such a sad song and proof that anybody can be a front man

big guy named Meatloaf is singing love songs and people are going crazy top ten album of all time for me tremendous album we won't get any arguments when I worked at the C&E we had three we had the Steve Miller band's greatest hits the C&E, that was one of like, we had three. We had the Steve Miller band's greatest hits.

We had these three albums. This was one of them. And I heard a lot as a 15 year old. I heard a lot of this album and I could not believe how good Paradise by the Dashboard Light was. Like speaking of songs that have like. Oh my gosh.

Yeah, that was groundbreaking for sure. So what I wanted to discuss with you is, of course, you love Bruce Springsteen. Am I correct that Jim Steinem, he's just trying to make the Springsteen, like this is, if you listen to Batted of Hell and you compare it to the 70s Bruce, there's a lot of similarities. Big operatic. I think I've read that, that some people feel like he was trying almost not to mock him, but realize, okay, I'll go even further and make this even, you know.

But I like all the songs have the little, you know, like, Bad Outta Hell, the actual title track, you know. It's like a bad out of hell will be gone when the morning comes. It's all about good guys going through that. i want you i need you i'm never gonna love you it's like being honest laying it out there this if you're okay with this we're gonna have a relationship and but using little uh you know little sayings or little uh metaphors and hidden meaning kind of things it's fantastic and i believe i read somewhere that this two out of three ain't bad was like a response to the Elvis track, right?

I want you, I love you, I need you. Oh, yes, gotcha. That makes sense. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Again, very sad. And I heard this recently because I watched Mindhunter on Netflix. And there's a scene, it takes place in 77.

And there's a scene where this is playing in the car. Yeah. So I... Oh, yeah, it's a heartbreaking song, no question. This is another one i bought the 45 as a kid and it was the full length how long is this one five something yeah something like that and usually that would be a cut down version too but i was surprised at the 45 they had it all on there which is great because that's the version you know the most part is the one you hear growing

up so absolutely if they had the short, I wouldn't have known this one. Now don't be sad. Don't be sad. Cause two out of three ain't bad now don't be

sad cause two out of three ain't bad and that guy brings the first line back as the last line again I love that full circle thing, right? Meet Kinshira Singh. Yep.

You know, I want to see that show too. Can you hook us up? You got connections in the media business? I do not. Why aren't we being sent to see this? I had the connection for Grease, but not for Bad Out of Hell. I think we should at least send me so I can review it on my popular podcast.

Come on, media. All right. That was great. Love that album. Let's kick out another jam. This one's only seven and a half minutes. I know. I know.

That's right. I'm thinking people at home thinking, geez. I know, I know. That's where I'm thinking, people at home thinking, jeez. One of these songs that a lot of people know, but they don't know the name of. It's a bottle of white, right? Bottle of red? No, but you know. Like Bubba O'Reilly.

Yeah. It's called Teenage Wasteland. It never says the title. It says part of the title on the song. It's another three-part song. The old story, you know, brings it back to theel. It never says the title. It says part of the title on the song. It's another three-part song. The old story, you know, brings it back to the end. It's great.

Face to face A bottle of red A bottle of white It all depends upon your appetite I'll meet you anytime you want In our Italian restaurant Scenes from an Italian restaurant, Billy Joel.

Sax in there, you know. All the sax and piano were big parts for me, and then the guitars. Another great live artist, Billy Joel. I read somewhere that if you look at an artist's entire catalog of music and then how many of their songs reach top 40 on the charts The last play at Shea The video where The last concert before they turned down

And they're talking to these people in the crowd with this song And they're like, I can't do this Long Island, that's us. We know Brenda and Eddie. That's us. That's our life. He sings about it. Yeah, you don't like your songs to be straight up song. You need to have them take a turn and do something different and then come back. Yeah, it's always somehow, you know to have them take a turn and do something different and then come back. Yeah, no, it's always somehow I, you know, they're like movies.

You know, almost cinematic is a word that Springsteen used to use when he was writing, trying to paint that picture and that's, you know. Okay, to finish my thought there, I believe in the analysis, and I love it when they crunch numbers like this on music, but Billy Joel had the greatest percentage of his whole become hits.

I bet. I wouldn't be surprised. He and Elton John would be the two that I would put in that class, where they get the formula and then it's like 10 years straight, everything they write is. Yes, but whereas Elton did a lot more in his older years, Billy sort of stopped after that Rhythm of the Night stuff. Does he do anything after Rhythm of the Night? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't think so.

So because he stopped, it helped his percentage be higher. It helps the percentage for sure. Like when Robbie Alomar sat out on the last day on his 299.99 average. Yes, that's right. Yeah. You know, Gretzky was over two points a game until the last couple of years, and he ended up being only 1.95 or whatever he was in his career.

Too bad. Another great song live because it's... I'm big when the crowd sings along. As long as the music's loud enough. I was at an Eagles show and a guy sang Hotel California in my ear behind me and it was too quiet. It was awful. But you can't hear good concerts that are loud enough and clear.

You can't even hear the person beside you. So everybody's singing. They're happy. It's great. Absolutely. It's a shared experience of live music that's what takes me back 99 of the people are having a good time of their life right i remember the sore thumb one now.

I remember what I, yeah. And by the way, that's an artist I've seen live. I've seen that one performed live. Ah, okay. So when was the last time you saw Billy Joel? We saw him, my wife and I saw him in Madison Square Garden two Januaries ago, so like a year, almost two years ago. And that was really cool.

Saw him with Elton John here in Toronto, which was amazing. But he's, yeah, outside of Springsteen, it's the Who and Billy Joel that I've seen the most. Are you going to be able to hit triple digits with any of those? I think, not for them, no.

They're all in the barely double-digit things. I'm not that crazy. Bruce should get one more tour with the band. Well, now you have to hit 100. Yeah, for sure. It would drive you crazy.

If he suddenly retires or, heaven forbid, anything happens, you'll be like, oh, no. So again, with this song, bring it back to the way it started. I guess I thought of that when I sent you the list. I thought, wow, there's a lot of similarities in these songs. But you feel like you've been on the journey, and then he's bringing it home. They broke up.

They did all that. You can't go back to that thing. I like that. You want to feel something. Absolutely. guitar solo Bottle red Ooh, bottle white Whatever kind of mood you're in tonight

I'll meet you anytime you want In our Italian restaurant restaurants And the album, The Stranger This Is Off, is another one of my top ten albums. I think that's fairly consistent. I think six or seven of the songs I sent you are from top ten albums for me. Let's hear your sixth jam. We're getting shorter, except for one. Which is still north of five minutes.

No, it's right. Yeah. There's talk on the street It sounds so familiar Great expectations Everybody's watching you People you meet Everybody's watching you. People you meet, they all seem to know you. Even your old friends treat you like you're something new.

Johnny, come lately The new kid in town Everybody loves you So don't let them down Right here, the harmony, I love it. You look in her eyes The music begins to play Hopeless romantics, here we go again But after a while, you're looking the other way

It's those restless hearts that never mend Johnny come lately The new kid in town Will she still love you When you're not around The new kid in town, the Eagles. Hard to believe Glenn Frey's got it. They're all shocking.

We're at that age where a lot of our rock heroes are, but still, that one just seemed to... There's so many things you should have told her. You're not the first person to bring this song to a kick out of the jams. I think Damien did, right? I think maybe Damien did, and I think Jim Van Horn did. Ah, really? Yeah, okay.

This might be the first song to show up three times. Three times, yeah. It wins. Have you always loved the Eagles? Yeah, I think that greatest hits with the Eagle skull on the cover got me into it, and then I remember when this is on the Hotel California album, and Hotel California was such a big, all-encompassing song.

And I like this one better. And I remember that's when I was right into AM radio, and they do countdowns. And end of the year, it was always Hotel California number one. This was top ten or something. But I felt like a protection for this song. Is that the greatest hits that doesn't have Hotel California on it? Yeah, the first one. Right, right, right.

Which is still the battle's thriller for the top-selling album of all time. It's unreal. Crazy. It's crazy when your greatest hits album can compete with Thriller for this bestselling album all the time. And that album of yours does not include what is probably your best known song. For sure. Yeah.

Do you follow Joe Walsh on Twitter? I do not. I love Joe Walsh. Should I? He's gone crazy. Oh, has he? Politically? Otherwise, I've seen a few of the things. You might not want to follow him on Twitter, actually. Just keep it to the music. He's more fun to listen to with his voice than...

Everybody's walking like a new town There's a new king in town I don't wanna hear... Joe Walsh always talks about Don Henley and Glenn Frey saving his life when they got the band back together. They said, we're gonna do this, but they said, you have to be clean and sober or you're out. And he said, you know, at that point, it was Lois. He said, we're going to do this, but they said, you have to be clean and sober or you're out. And he said, you know, at that point

it was Lois. He said, I wouldn't be here. And so he did, and you know, there's that much money waiting for you and the fun and the fame and everything, you realize you've got to do it. Right. That's what's changed I think with these long shows that the bands do. Back in the day, they didn't have, they were all

wasted, couldn't do. Now they're clean. You can't do it every night in your 60s if you're snorting Coke and getting drunk every night. That's very true. And you mentioned you saw Guns N' Roses on night two. I saw them on night one here in Toronto. And I was thinking of Slash,

because I remember when GNR, whenever they broke up the first, that was 1990. Yeah, it wasn't a very long run, was it? No, it wasn't. After the Usual Illusions or whatever. And Slash started the Snake Pit. I remember hearing an interview on

Much Music and Slash was saying, he said, I know myself. If I don't keep working and I don't stay on the road performing, I'm just going to shoot heroin into my veins and I will die. So it's like they know themselves and they have to get out there and keep and I will die. Yeah. So it's like they know themselves and they have to get out there and keep working to save them

from themselves almost. He was impressive in that concert. Wasn't he crazy? He's the best live guitarist I've ever seen. Like he just, he's bang on. How many solos and it was just so interesting the way they did it. It was fantastic.

Yeah. I mean, just watching him perform, I'm like, holy smokes. Let's listen. Speaking of long concerts, let's hear another Brad Faye jam. What's up tonight? Trouble in the heartland Got a hit on collision Smashing in my guts

Made a party on a crossfire That I don't understand But there's one thing I know for sure Girl, I don't give a damn That the same old played out scenes Girl, I don't give a damn That the same old played out scenes Baby, I don't give a damn For just the in-betweens Honey, I want the heart, I want your soul

I want control right now You better listen to me, baby Talk about a dream Try to make it real You wake up in the night With a fear so real You wake up in the night The fear is so real You spend your life waiting for a moment That just don't come

Don't waste your time waiting Badlands, you've got to live it or die Let the wolf in our stands The price you've got to pay Keep us till it's understood And these badlands start treating us good Bruce Springsteen Badlands. This was Hogan's send-off, wasn't it? Yeah.

Yes. I'm going to hand you my money clip. It's my favorite gift. If your eyes are good enough, it's small, but my wife got that engraved for Christmas one year. For the ones who had a notion, a notion deep inside that it ain't no sin to be glad you're alive.

Hogan's favorite line, too. That's the last verse of this song. We were in Hamilton seeing him, and my wife comes along every once in a while. She likes him. And end of that line, this song, this song always, to use the term, goes right through me every time. He plays it every night live. And I'm instinctively bouncing, even though I'm sitting down now right here.

And she looked at me, and I just, you know, again, at that point I'd seen it played 80 times and it's still, she goes, is that your favorite? I said, well, it's definitely one of them. And I said, but that passage, that last verse is my favorite, you know, in terms of inspirational thing. And little did I know that was, you know, in November, she's making mental notes and I opened this up on Christmas.

So it's like probably costs all of 10 bucks and it's my favorite gift. So it's a good idea. Those people out there get in a little money clip and grave with somebody's lyric or a saying. It's personal gifts. Nice. You know, very few artists, in fact, maybe only one artist has ever shown up more often on these kick out the jams and Bruce Springsteen.

Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. I think it's only the Beatles, I think. Yeah, interesting. Bruce is right there with the tragically hip. This is, for those who have never seen him, this part here is one of the peaks of the shows. The crowd takes this part. It goes longer than that, but here's the verse. Outro Music All killer, no filler. Let's move on to your eighth jam. A long, long time ago

I can still remember How that music used to make me smile. And I knew if I had my chance that I could make those people dance and maybe they'd be happy for a while. But February made me shiver With every paper I'd deliver Bad news on the doorstep Just picturing every house party, 40 people standing around, singing, drinking. Great tune. Piano bar song. Absolutely. When I read about his widowed bride

Something touched me deep inside The day the music died So bye-bye, Miss American Pie Drove my Chevy to the levee But the levee was dry And them good old boys Were drinking whiskey and rye Singing this'll be the day that I die

This'll be the day that I die Did you write The book of love And do you have faith In God above If the Bible tells you so And do you believe In rock and roll

Can music Save your mortal soul And can you teach me How to dance real slow Well I know that you're in love with him Cause I saw you dancing in the gym You both kicked off your shoes Man I dig those rhythm and blues

I was a lonely teenage bronc and buck With a pink carnation and a pickup truck But I knew I was out of luck Until the day The music died Feel free to sing along with me, Brad.

Everybody! I started singing Bye, bye, Miss American Pie Drove my Chevy to the levee, but the levee was dry Everybody knows it. Them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye And singing this'll be the day that I die Remember Bob Costas' show Later?

Yep. He had Don McLean on one night, and the whole half hour they just broke down this song. He told them what everything meant and it just is you know he mentions the stones the beatles like in all indirect fashion uh obviously this song as everybody knows about that the plane crash with buddy holly the big bopper richie balance but i i i always say you know i'm a lyric guy and springsteen's my guy because of that dylan's a great lyric guy but i still think this song on its own is hard-pressed to say there's better lyrics ever in a song than this

because not only are they telling the story in deep, but you sing along to them. You know, everybody knows them, even if they don't know what they're singing. It's such a catchy tune. Definitely, as far as sing-alongs go, You'd be hard-pressed to find a You put it on any party It's every time and everybody Maybe Sweet Caroline I'm trying to think of a sing-along

Good call, that's another one Although Boston co-opted that So I don't think it's ours anymore That's right And I'm pretty sure there is a radio edit of this song I think when you buy the 45 Someone told me its first half is on one side, and you've got to flip it over to continue the song.

There is a radio edit, and it drives me crazy, because they cut out the slow parts. I think he just sold his original lyric sheet for like millions to this, you know. It's in the mix for most beloved song of all time, you know. Which is why it was so hard on the ears when Madonna covered this song. Like this song didn't need to be. The Brady Bunch did it two years ago. That was not pretty soon.

Speaking of Sportsnet personalities, Greg Brady. Yes, there you go. Yes. Marsha Brady is mentioned on my Twitter profile. She was first crush. Oh, yeah. I was a 70s child. Right. So for me, it was

like Alyssa Milano in Who's the Boss? Yes. Samantha Maselli. Oh, hey, hey, oh. Hold me closer, Tony Danz. Tony Danz. Exactly.

Oh, you know, I apologize. That's all right. Abruptly. That's okay. Yeah, it's too long. We got to cut some. Not intentionally. No, everybody knows.

But Don McLean, American Pie. Yeah, absolutely. The day the music died. Who is it? Waylon Jennings? Is that the guy who lost out on the flight, if you will? Yeah, the flip of the coin. Man, and it was, or was it that one of them was sick?

Somebody might've been sick. Sick, and he said, you can have my seat. I wasn't sure if they chewed straws or if he gave up his seat. Yeah, there's the legend of that, and he lived with that. I mean, that's just, yeah. You know, very young Mike, like seven-year-old Mike, was obsessed with Chantilly Lace, but he didn't have a big bopper because I had these cassettes that you bought them at gas stations,

golden oldies. Yeah, we had American Graffiti, the soundtrack that's on that. Do I, what, will I, what? My dad would go, this guy can, oh, baby, you know what I like. Oh, baby, you know what I like. Oh, baby, you know what I like. I thought about a DJ making a number one song. That's great. Yeah, the day the music died.

Okay, let's hear, this is the sore thumb song. And I love this song, so I'm happy to play this for, let's hear your night's jam. © transcript Emily Beynon Look, if you had one shot, one opportunity To seize everything you ever wanted. One moment that you captured. Just let it slip. Yo. His palms are sweaty. Knees weak.

Arms are heavy. There's vomit on his sweater already. Mom's spaghetti. He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop bombs. But he keeps on forgetting what he wrote down. The whole crowd goes so loud. He opens his mouth, but the words won't come out. He's choking, how? Everybody's choking now. The clock's run out, time's up, over, plow.

Snap back to reality, oh, there goes gravity, oh, there goes rabbit, he choked. He's so mad, but he won't give up that he's, he know, he won't have it, he knows. His whole back's in his ropes, It don't matter, he's dope, he knows that but he's broke He's so stagnant, he knows when he goes back to this mobile home That's when it's back to the lab again, yo This old rap shit, he better go capture this moment And hope it don't pass him You better lose yourself in the music

The moment you own it, you better never let it go You only get one shot, Do not miss your chance to blow This opportunity comes once in a lifetime You better lose yourself in the music The moment you own it You better never let it go You only get one shot Do not miss your chance to blow

This opportunity comes once in a lifetime Eminem, Lose Yourself Wow, that sounds good in the headphones. Holy smokes. So inspirational. We've just heard Badlands, and that's one of the songs I put on. You want the pump up or something good's happening, or you want something good to happen. Hype songs, right?

Yeah, and this song, just metaphor for any situation, really. It's all about capturing the moment, as he says. And I love that term, lose yourself, because it's a lot of times that my buddy and I say, start a Springsteen show, and, you know, go out to dinner, have a few drinks, and the lights go off. And I always say it's either, you know, that term, lose yourself in it, or dive in, or, you know,

it just is like, that's what live music to me is about. He won an Oscar for this song. Yep. So you saw it live. Yeah. Can he do it this good live? You know what I hate to say? I saw him on tour, but it was way back in like 2000.

And what year did this song come out? Oh, yeah. You know, I don't know. I cannot say definitively. He played it. Yeah. I think it might have been right around then. Yeah, I don't know. I cannot say definitively. That he played it, yeah. I think it might have been right around then. Yeah, I can't remember.

Here's what I remember. You know, it was definitely in the 2000s because I was just fortunate because remember Millard and I, we saw this movie Not Together. It felt cool coming out. But that scene where he's got the rhythm with his hand while he's writing it over and over.

He is, and I listen to a lot of rap music, the way he can turn a phrase and those verbal skills are unparalleled. Yeah, yeah. No, I agree. He's an extreme talent. I'm not a huge rap guy, but I do, when I hear the poetry in it and I this one, the beat just is contagious. And it builds. That's the other thing in comparison to Springsteen's song. His best rock songs build and build and build, and the final verse is the payoff, where it just finishes screaming like, you're done, you know?

Greatest hype song since Eye of the Tiger. Can we say that? That's right. Indeed. I was listening to a lot of rock radio at the time. And I remember that they added this to the playlist. And that's when you sort of realized that this song crossed over. Where was that?

Sorry. So Edge 102. Oh, Edge. Okay, gotcha. And the only rap you ever heard on that station is if the Beastie Boys drop some rap. That was like it. Yeah, yeah. And they added this. They played a lot of this song.

And they didn't play any other Eminem until then, just this one. And it was like, this song sort of was like genre bending, like rock stations were playing it. Yeah.

And then winning the Oscar, exposed it to other people. Well, Mom's Spaghetti, like that's like a meme. Yeah. Everybody knows Lose Yourself. Even my eight-year-old he mentioned what did he call it he goes this is called back to reality because you know back to reality

they know it and it's yeah it's a it's just like doesn't matter what the genre this song is it's a great great song and the lyrics I just can't believe how it builds and builds and builds on, like that he's got another line and the little changes of pace that are, I know that's what rap is about in a lot of cases, but where you expect it to go and it breaks up the line and then it finishes three beats later, you know, like just anyway. He does that better than anybody in the business. Is that right?

He's just gift. Somebody's got a verbal gift. No one does it like Eminem does it. Great, great track. Let's hear your final jam. Is there a Marty Scorsese movie that he hasn't used this song? Thankfully, though, what a song. This song is big.

I say, you know, Jungle Land's my all-time favorite song, but if anyone's wanting to argue that this is the greatest rock song of all time, I would have no trouble saying that that's it. The fullness of it, the bigness the it captures an era like it's just fabulous the last jam kicking episode with sarah bosveld who is the senior writer at chatelaine organically we talked about backup singers and i said the best example of the greatest performance by a backup singer in the history of rock music is very played in this song. Yeah. One, two, it's time to shine away. It's time to shine away.

One, two, it's time to shine away. It's time to shine away. And we'll turn it up again later when she, you can hear her voice giving out. Yeah, it's incredible. It's one of those songs where you, it's good anyway, and then it gets to another level that you didn't think was there, and you're like, oh my. You know?

And you're right, it's all good. The mix lyrics, the singing's great, the backup is amazing, but the song itself is just so iconic. Yeah. I used to play a lot of Hot Rocks. Oh, yeah. So all this, I know my stones from Hot Rocks.

Me too. I think that was a lot of our introduction for sure. 20 great songs, whatever it is. Right. But all the songs after that that weren't on Hot Rocks, I don't know nearly as well. No, I agree. So it's like 65 to 71. Yeah, yeah.

They got a lot of great songs. Let's see, sort of the big four for me with them are Sympathy for the Devil, You Can't Always Get What You Want, this one, and then you have to put Satisfaction, you know. Here we go. It's just a shadow It's just a shadow It's just a shadow It's just a shadow It's just a shadow It's just a shadow It's just a shadow

It's just a shadow It's just a shadow It's just a shadow It's just a shadow It's just a shadow It's just a shadow It's just a shadow It's just a shadow

It's just a shadow It's just a shadow Like I get chills when she has that hitch in her voice and then you can hear Mick in the background like, yeah, or something like that. Or something like that. And they have the video where they're facing each other. They have a little, the odd clip that shows up where they're in the studio

and Mick with his hands behind his back like he does it. Incredible, Mary Clayton. I tell you love, sister, it's just a kiss away, it's just a kiss away. It's just a kiss away, it's just a kiss away, it's a lot going on, and a lot of instruments that you get. I like when they do those behind-the-music things where they break it down, they'll bring up the guitar, then they bring up the flute or whatever it is, and fiddle and all these different things are like wow it's what makes multi-layered and like an onion like damien cox if you're right that's right it all came back

see just like just like one of your great songs yeah that's right open and close but i gotta say brad i feel like i just had a workout like Like I'm sweating over here. My heart's palpitating. That was tremendous. Thank you for doing this. Absolutely. Next time, say your top 10 songs under four minutes. And it will be a little short of a visit. But that was great.

What's the fun in that? Yes. And that brings us to the end of our 279th show. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike. Brad Fay, what are you? At SN Brad Fay? At SN Brad Fay, yep. Our friends at Great Lakes Brewery are at Great Lakes Beer. Propertyinthe6.com is at Brian Gerstein. And PayTM is at

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