Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Brendan Canning: Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 1684

Episode Date: May 2, 2025

In this 1684th episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike chats with Brendan Canning about forming hHead with Noah Mintz, playing in By Divine Right with Feist, appearing on Len's Steal My Sunshine, forming Broken Social Scene with Kevin Drew, and Let's Get Friendship Right May 9 at The Garrison. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Ridley Funeral Home, Toronto Maple Leafs Baseball, Yes We Are Open, Nick Ainis and RecycleMyElectronics.ca. If you would like to support the show, we do have partner opportunities available. Please email Toronto Mike at [e-mail]

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Joining me today making his Toronto Mike debut, it's Brendan Canning. Welcome Brendan. Well,. Welcome, Brendan. Well, thank you, Mike. Thank you for having me. Pleasure to be here. Now you enjoy your fresh craft beer in a glass. I sure do. That's the way you drink beer.

You drink it in a glass. Well, you know what that means, Brendan. It means we don't get to hear you crack it on the mic. Well, how about this? How about- Smash it. Okay. You know what? That's even better. But I will crack mine. So the this episode of Toronto Mic'd is fueled by Sunnyside Session IPA from Great Lakes Brewery. No complaints so far. It's a good summer beer right? Because yeah doesn't hit you too hard. It goes

down smooth. You know what? Today, today feels like a summer day. Last night felt like a winter day and, you know, and on it goes. Welcome to springtime in Toronto. OK, you a Leafs fan? I have been. I am currently.

So we we won a series. We sure did. We sure did. My collaborator, Kentaro Akiyama, just said he's naming his daughter Nylander. Baby, baby, do any day. Wow. OK. They made that mistake with the,

I guess you have to file what your team will be for that night. And they put Alex Nylander in the lineup instead of William Nylander. Did you hear that? Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we almost, they almost would have booted Willie from the game and he had a hell of a game. So that's only the second time in 21 years, I think, since we can say we won an actual series.

So off to face the Panthers. Yeah, off to face the Penguins. The Penguins? No, the Panthers, okay. Oh, the Panthers. Close enough. Brendan, okay. So I have a heart out. You just came from an, uh, you had a rehearsal. I did. Yeah. I have a project called Tauro, T-A-U-R-O with my best gal, Cynthia Tauro. And we have a show tomorrow night at Sound Garage, a new venue on Geary.

I was at it last Friday. Oh, so was I. Change of heart. I was there. See, we were in the same room. Oh, my God. I quite liked it because the acoustics were good and sight lines are good. And it was a cool spot. Yeah. Yeah. So we're playing there tomorrow night.

Too funny. We were in the same room just Friday night. OK, Brandon. Now, so we're going to talk and I don't know what you're expecting here, but we're going to talk more than just, you know, we're going to talk head by divine right, land and broken social scene. But don't worry, this is going to be compacted. But yeah, I want to shout out a couple of upcoming events off the top. Yes. The first event I want to shout out is May 9th at the Garrison. Yes. Let's get friendship right. What can you tell me about this free with a non-perishable food item event at the Garrison? Well it's a whole bunch of musicians and bands playing songs of the tragically hip ever heard of them and I got a copy of road apples

there's a little road apples too I saw that the first road apples shows at the horseshoe way back when and some gore Downey songs so toro are gonna do morning moon which is from a later era record good. And I think I'm jumping on stage with Kevin Hearn to play Chancellor from Coke Machine Glow. Now Kevin Hearn is a friend of Toronto Mike. He's an FOTM. Brendan, you're now an FOTM. Hey. Another FOTM I want to shout out is Steven Stanley.

Oh yeah. Who's organizing this charity event, Food Bank Show, and we're heisting up the name Dave Bookman in honor of this old friend of mine. We go way back we did go way back RIP. Yeah. And speaking of the horseshoe they have the the nice tribute to Bookie outside the horseshoe. They sure do and Elliot Lefkoe who is also very prominently figured in throwing this event, was a big part of getting that plaque all up and running.

So there you go. Elliot, if you're listening, because Elliot, famously in the TMU, the Toronto Mike universe, Elliot listens and loves Toronto Mike, but has refused my invitations to come on. Oh yeah. Man behind the scenes. He likes to be, he likes to, uh, throw his minions out there. I I'm with you, Brendan, except I watched subversives, which is a documentary by Simon head about the lowest of the low.

Oh yeah. He's in that. Yeah. Yeah. I got, uh, I got roped into that one too. So there goes his whole, I don't do this stuff because he's in that one. So Elliot, I hope I see you at the concert hall on next, oh, on Saturday, tomorrow.

I'm gonna be seeing Lois to the Low at the concert hall tomorrow. Okay, the second event I wanna, and we're gonna revisit the Let's Get Friendship Right at the end of this chat actually, and name check some other artists that are on the bill. But the second event I wanna shout out off the top is TMLX18, which is the 18th Toronto Mic Listener Experience, But the second event I want to shout out off the top is tmlx 18

Which is the 18th Toronto Mike listener experience which is at Christie pits Beyond the left field fence where the Maple Leafs of baseball play I mentioned off the top Sato So she's a Japanese pitcher Who's gonna start for the Toronto Maple Leafs and it will make her the first woman to pitch against professional men in this country Everyone is welcome to join me. There'll be a free gift from Toronto Maple Leafs for everyone who comes out to the TMLX part. Of course, it's a public park. Anyone can go see it. But come on out to our section and hang out and say hi to me. Brendan, will you be able to make... What's the date? I heard May 11th.

May 11th. Yeah, it's a Sunday. I got that day open. I like a little baseball at Christie Pitts. And I'm aching to see how she does like pitching against these men. So I'll be with my crew, my people. Okay. Yoni wrote in when I said you're coming on, please tell Brendan I love him and I can't wait to see Broken Social seeing play in June. So can you shout out where beyond the garrison where you't wait to see Broken Social Scene play in June. So can you shout out where beyond the garrison where you'll be not with Broken Social Scene? Broken Social Scene in Toronto will be at History on June 21st, part of Toronto Jazz Fest. That's a great venue too. Yeah, yeah,

we did that one in 2022 and we're coming back. Okay, and we'll have more BSS talk in a moment here, but we're starting with a quote, oh, it's a clip. Noah Mintz was on this program. So are you ready? You got your beer. I mentioned Toronto Mate Police Baseball. You're taking home this history of Toronto Mate. That's a great book for you.

I love it, love it. About the history of Toronto Mate Police Baseball some and just before I play this clip, there is a lasagna in my freezer from Palma pasta. Oh damn. If you like, do you like Italian food? I sure do. Okay. You came to the right place, buddy. Okay. So I'm going to take care of you. Palma pasta is delicious. Thank you. Palma pasta. Hope you don't need the services anytime soon, but Ridley Funeral Home is here if you do, Brendan. And they gave you that measure. You never know where life is going to take you. Sometimes it takes you to death. And I'll shout out a couple more sponsors later in the program, but let's listen to FOTM Noah Mintz. Basically, I met Brendan in university. He was like, it was the first week I was there. And I hated it. I thought like everybody was like total dorks. And I was more of a dork. But it was like, it was just like St. Catharines, Ontario, Brock University, a bunch of underachievers. And was, it was, they were not like fun people.

And then there was, we were like a dance and I was like so bored. And then there was like, they were playing like ministry and there was this like redheaded literal dork dancing like a dork. And it's like, and like by himself to ministry. And I like, I went to my buddy Cory was my roommate. And I'm like, I'm like, that guy we're gonna be friends with. Was it Jesus build my hot rod? Is that what you he was dancing to? One of those songs? Yeah. And I really walked up to him like,

dude, I think, I think, I think we gotta be friends. And he's like, Oh, yeah, I'm like, you play guitar? He's like, Yeah, I go, I play guitar, too. Like, yeah, I go, well yeah, like you play guitar. He's like, yeah, I play guitar too. I'm like, yeah, you wanna like start a band? He's like, yeah. And we became instant friends at that moment. Like instant friends. You know, it's wild to me that at this young age

in your life, you've already kind of played with, at this point in your life, you've played with Hayden and you've played with Brendan Canning. Like think about that. I know. Like think about that. I know, it's pretty incredible. And Gavin Brown.ning, like think about that. Like think about that. I know it's pretty incredible. And Gavin Brown.

Right, oh yeah, sorry. Produced like Metric and worked with like, Corey Downey worked with like a million different people. So anyway, so, and then I just convinced Brendan to drop out of school with me. And then we didn't know what to do. So at Longham, a quay, I met these guys who looked like, look like they were like huge, like dinosaur junior fans. So I walked up to them like, Hey, do you guys like dinosaur junior?

Like, like, yeah, do you look, yeah. I go, are you guys a band? And like, yeah, it's like, we don't have a singer. I'm like, Oh, I'm a singer. Like, it's like, can I join your band? And like, cool, like, we need a bass player. I'm like, all right. So actually asked Hayden to be our bass player. But but he sucked on bass. And, and then so I said, Hey, Brennan, would you want Brennan never played bass before? I'm like, would you be interested in like, playing bass for a band? He's like, sure. So he just picked up the bass, started playing bass. And then

within the year, there was like five guys in this band. And within that year, Brendan and I basically kicked out every single member of the band until it was just him and I. Brendan is Noah accurate with that head origin story? I'd say, you know, there's a conflation of some stories, but, you know, for economy of time, I give him a, I'll give him a B, a B minus on that origin story. That's, that's, you know, it's getting the, getting the point across. He's got the flavor. Cause to hear Noah tell the story, cause I'll confess to being quite the head fan here okay oh yeah it puts me in some exclusive company I

think I should have brought you a vinyl well you know what there's still time you know so you'll need a sequel episode because I have eight hours of content and like one hour to do it so you're gonna have to come back but but was oh yes to hear Noah tell the story, he made Brendan Canning, like the Brendan Canning Canadian rock god we know today exists because of Noah Mintz. Yeah. I mean, I could give you the, the actual, he, we met in Frosh week, but we did not hit it off like he tells, but we were, I think we were just like

curious about each other since we were clearly the odds one, the odd ones out at Brock U. Uh, and, but then flash forward to a few months later, and then we're both at a party and like, Oh, I haven't seen you in so long, you know, then it's like, okay, we, you know, we've been through four months of university and his bandmates who which were Hayden Josh Malinsky and Mitch But they who were actually a group called Polito later on Mitch Roth

and They weren't gonna come down for this gig in st Catherine so Noah and I became an acoustic duo and opened up for this group called the Progressive Minstrels. That's not me, is it? That's you. Oh my god. You gotta know your jingle. You gotta know your ringtone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, Dr. Kenneth Montague. Do you need to get that? No, I don't. It's like, yeah, I know my appointment is on. Okay, listen, say I'm on Toronto Mike do you not realize that this guy was on CNN Monday morning? That's what you tell that dog. Dr.

Kenneth Monte, you word of mouth dentistry, you're a friend of mine. Okay so yeah so we just started an acoustic duo and yeah open up for the progressive minstrels at the Midnight Club and What's the name of this duo? Like I know the answer but I find it interesting considering the name of the song I'm about to play. Oh, yeah We were called the happy. So do you name your song happy after this? Original name. I think that you know that was just you know one of those jam space songs and those were the lyrics that popped out for Noah. Now because we don't have unlimited time and you have a rather eclectic and fascinating rock and roll history Brendan,

like I really could do several hours with you. So for brevity's sake, I'm going to do the hot sexy spots that have been bugging me forever. And one spot I'm going to stop at is the 1993 CFNY discovery to disc contest. Yeah. Maybe play a little so not too much, but just give everybody a reminder. Just give everybody a reminder. ["Rainbow Road"] In fact, I'll bring it down. We all know Happy, but this is not even the version from that disc.

Like this is like, I'm assuming you re-made this song for your disc. Yeah, we re-cut it. You know, you got that pingy snare drum. But you know, what are you going to do? What do you think of Happy when you hear it in 2025? I think there's some rookie musicians who don't quite know what they're doing, but they're doing the best they can do and very much influenced by the time.

Why not two H's and happy? You know what? Good question. No one's ever asked that. You're the first. And you know what? We call that a missed opportunity in the biz. And you can't go back and get this right.

You can't go back. No, you can't go back. And we did try to make a video. We did make a video for this. It's a little bit terrible. And you know what? Just considering your singles should be not five minutes long. I think this song almost runs close to five minutes. But what are you going to do? What are you going to do? I got to say I own this discovery to disc album and I really dug this song which spoiler alert you guys win this contest we sure do but I

Believe the aforementioned Dave Bookman all but told Ron Hawkins and the guys from lowest to the low that they were going to win this You know this story? Well, I was hanging out with Dave a lot back then. But, I mean, you know, odds would have gone on lowest of the low. If you were a betting person. But I think we probably just turned in a better performance that night. Oh, that's what it took. I think so. I mean, you know, when Miss America wins the pageant, you know, everyone's got like the

final. What would you do to change the world? We were basically like at the swimsuit competition and, you know, I could get some pretty good height in my jumps back then and I think that was enough to sway the judges. Just like, you know, so Nirvana and Pearl Jam were popular and who was the big group that sounded like... Stone Temple Pile? Oh!

No, that sounded like Louis of the Low back then. Like who were they? Oh yeah, a jangly pop group. Maybe like the Gin Blossoms? Gin Blossoms is a good jangly pop group. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not as cool as Louis of the Low. No, no, I'd say Louis of the Low probably has more,

a better repertoire. But I don't know if they have a song as good as Hey Jealousy. I don't know, you know. I disagree. I'll take Rosie and Grey, I'll take- Yeah, yeah, that's a nice tune. Good-

Lead a little while tonight with the harmonies of Steven. Yeah. Yeah. No, they had nice tunes Shakespeare my butt is a classic. It's a classic. We cannot deny So Noah tells me he felt so guilty for winning this contest that he offered to loan money to lowest of the low If they had already bought something because they thought they were getting this $100,000 I mean they were all they were already making decent money at gigs. Like, they were doing better than we were. So I don't feel too bad for them. Is it true that BC alt rock band from the 90s,

Rhymes with Orange, gave you their H so you could have a second H in head? Rhymes, how does that work? Oh, why do you think? If you know rhymes with orange, they took the age out of rhymes. Oh, that part I missed. I must have missed that. Brendan, you came to the right place. I'm going to catch you up on the 90s. Please do. Please do. I remember that they had a bad van crash. And I, yeah, I remember that they had a bad van crash and I yeah I remember seeing.

Was it Age of Electric? Oh yeah oh on that tour? Yeah yeah I have a memory of that but but no one died. Nobody died. But it was a bad thing I remember that much. No shout out to Ridley Funeral Home Required. No thanks. Do you remember though what you did with the 100,000? Yeah, we misspent it. You know, we bought some gear, like I bought a bass and a David Eden rig, which you know, could have just as easily done with an Ampeg situation. Uh, you know, Mark bought some drums in this ridiculous rack system. Noah got his, uh, Mesa boogie dual rectifier and probably a Gretchen. And then we went out and, you know, we hired Dave Ogilvie as a producer who was, you know, to be honest, more of a mixer.

And if we, uh, and funnily, I, we sat down with Joe Ciccarelli to, uh, produce the record. And that's probably who we should have gone with in hindsight, but then broken social scene, you know, a bunch of years later, like 15 years later, we ended up, uh, working with Joe Ciccarelli. But yeah, yeah. And we, and we were out in California and yeah, just, did you and we and we were out in California and Yeah, just you know a young band trying to figure out how to make a record where we should have just gone to the studio where we did the demos right in Ottawa sound of one hand studios with Marty Jones and Yeah, we had done these demos and the A&R crew from Toronto like your

Alan Reed's and your David Bendis and Kim Cook's, they were all with Warner and BMG and A&M They were all interested from these demos And then we made the record we did make in California Which I think did not hit the mark like it should have or could have. But you live, you know who said that, Alanis Morissette, you live, you learn. And she had her own rebirth. She sure did. And you know what? You can't take anything away from one of the great AM's of Canada because there's a few of them. Ottawa's own great absolutely Ashley McKisick is another one. Yeah so is Ann Murray. You know what we could do this all day. Go ahead give me another one. Or do you want some help? Give me another one. Oh um Al McKinness, defenseman with the uh. No

no I was gonna go with uh Amanda Marshall. Yeah oh that's a great one. And then one of my one of my bandmates in broken Who also is in stars? Oh, Amy Milan who's been down here? In fact, she she did her Toronto make debut the same time that Sam Roberts was down here So she could sneak in the side door and surprise Sam. Oh, there you go And they both live in Montreal, but they had to meet up in South Etobicoke. Oh that's how Canada works. Okay that's how Canada works folks. Is it fair to say that with Head is where you meet Gord Downie and the Tragically Hip because you guys played a tour of the hip right? Yeah yeah we did some support dates that were in St. Louis, Minneapolis, Omaha and a three-night stand at the Metro, one of my favorite clubs in Chicago to this

day. Yeah. Amazing. Now, quick question about this. We're almost at a head territory here, but there's another song up for the Discovery to Disc, which was credited to Hayden. Oh, yeah. Called Take.

Yes, but Noah did the vocals. But Noah did the vocals. Yeah. So any conflict in the band that hey you're cannibalizing our chances to win this 100k because you're double dipping which I actually think should have got you guys all disqualified and Louis the Logo just come up the middle and yeah they sure could have but you know once again the swimsuit competition they fell a little short. What do you think of Take? I think that was a good tune. You know, that was like got Hayden, you know, got him off the ground, I guess. And then he sort of realized, oh, I'm, you know, I could just do some singing myself and developed into what he became.

And I think we're all greater for it in the grand scheme of Canadian music and the, uh, the totem, the totem that it is without a doubt. Big, big hate. Actually there's a hat here. Things are as bad as they see. Yeah. It was a classic gift from Hayden. Classic record. So as we leave, as we leave head with two H's, yes, it's, I couldn't help but notice the track listing hat. These are the names of the albums on that, that first jerk. Is that the name of the first album? No, that's the second album. What's the name of the first album?

Fireman. I knew that fireman. Okay. Remedial answers, happy university, gypped, jerk, love, she's better, stillborn, will, pimp, stain. So this is intentional. You're going to be the one word. That was just, that was, that was the gag. Not a, not a great gag.

I don't know. You're talking, we're still talking about in 2025. Yeah. Not for, not for too much longer though. We're almost done. Uh, you've, your final show was Eden Fest. Yes. Which is a fun fact. Eden Fest gets talked about quite a bit. Uh, so how was Eden Fest for you and why does Head come to an end? Uh, I think that just seemed like, you know, this or a drummer To you know, our final drummer in the band Jason Ray He was having a party weekend. I remember we were like, oh, we can't find Jason he and then

Yeah, it was just like, you know classic festival like no one got paid got paid. And I think we had an all right show. I remember there, like, who's like Jason Priestley was there for some reason. That we don't forget that he helped make the bare naked ladies in the United States. Yeah, there you go. It all comes full circle. So yeah, I don't know. I think that was just like, what else? What else are we gonna do? You know, the third album we released on Handsome Boy Records, it didn't do much. And I think, you know, you kind of know

when your band is ready to like, okay, let's wrap it. You gotta know when to call it. Yeah, no one to hold them, no one to fold them. Well, many don't have that skill set and they hang on too long. And then, you know, better some better to fade out than no burnout than fade away. Okay. Craig clicks wrote in when he heard Brendan canning was making his Toronto mic debut and said, and obvious, I was going to do this anyways, Craig, but he wrote, uh, ask him about his time in by divine, right with feist. Oh yeah.

So maybe a little bit about By Divine Right. Sure, what do you wanna know? I wanna know how, you're not an OG member of By Divine Right. How'd you end up in By Divine Right? Well, I'd known those guys for a long time and we actually did a head and By Divine Right, same van across Canada. And we got back from that tour and they had a guy named Campbell playing bass.

And I sort of felt like, I don't know if cams are the right guy, you know. And then I was at my parents place and Jose called out of my folks place. And I sort of you know kind of felt like I knew the end I knew the question was coming and yeah I think he's a cool cat he had a cool van or something when he came for his Toronto Mike debut oh yeah yeah yeah and I got like really nice like cool dude vibes from the guy Jose it's great yeah so that was pre-Fist. I did maybe five months or so, but you know, I think just being in another band and it's

like, oh, we're not here. We're not even doing as good as Headwood's doing. So that was disappointing. And to be honest, at that point, I was getting into DJing and I was sort of a bit disillusioned with where my music career had landed me and just thought it's like okay I'm done. But then spring of 98 rolls around and then I was replaced by Rob Higgins who did some time in Change Your Heart and has his group Dearly Beloved but then I came back in 98 and when Leslie was in too and then we did like another we did the Phantom Power tour. Were you at the small stage at Molson Park in Berry for Pearl Jam in 98? No. No, no, no. Trick questions abound okay Okay, Brendan, you know, I'm just trying to trip you up here.

No, but a small stage at Molson Park for the Alanis Palooza kind of thing when I was playing with Spooky Reuben. Because we let... Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it was in that group. Yeah, you left that out. That's pre-Bodban Right. Yeah, you'll have to fill in the cracks here, but that song kind of still haunts me because I'd see it on much music. Yeah, I was with Spooke. Yeah, 95, 96. Okay, let me ask you, kind of, so we are getting you to broken social scene. But I'm playing a song because, okay, Monday's guest here is Snow.

Oh, yeah, high school. I was, you know, funnily, I was guest here is Snow. Oh yeah, high school. I was, you know, funnily I was talking about Snow today. Is that right? Well, cause I had a funny session once when Broken was starting in. A session at Scarborough, it was me and it was Greg Norrie, Snow, MC Shan, and the keyboard player from the Pocket Dwellers and me.

And it was just a bizarre session. But Snow, he jumped on the bass there and he was like, no, something more like that. And he was way more into reggae. You know, like, yeah, it's all over his big hit. Obviously, obviously. And again, he comes by it, honestly, and, you know, a talented guy. And, but that was a crazy session. That's wild.

I had no idea you had a snow stray. Yeah. Yeah. And plus, you know, I remember from high school, he would just be walking. He was very gregarious guy. I never knew him. So what high school is this? Uh, that was Dunbarton high school, but he would walk down the hallway singing and, you know, he just had like, had a presence about him in high school. What a small world eh Brandon? Like I mean you guys

being booked back to back had nothing to do with your high school or his high school. Yeah or high school. Oh wait booked back to back when? Oh yeah oh because he's coming in here. Oh yeah yeah he's my next guest. Yeah he would not know me and he probably wouldn't know Broken Social Scene and he brought him and I guarantee it he And he brought- Oh, Alaskan. And I guarantee it, he may or may not remember that session with MC. I mean, unless like, I highly doubt he remembers that session. I do just for the pure weirdness of it. Wow, okay.

Shout out to Darren O'Brien. Mm-hmm. So, I only brought up, I brought it up, you know, I got to cross-mode the next episode, which will be cool, I think, but I also think, you know, Informer, like that went to number one on the Billboard Hot 100 and it was there for weeks. Huge tune. Huge tune. I got the 45 at home.

You got the 45 at home. I sure do. Wow. Okay. Now there's another huge Toronto jam though. I want to play a little bit of it and just find out if you have any role in this at all. Okay.

You ready? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you missed my part. Where is that? You tell Brandon, what's your part? Tell me everything you can about it. Well, you've missed, it's already done.

You know, you have the wrong version. Okay. Tell us the story. Well, it's better if you play the version that I'm on. How would I, I'm good. If I went to YouTube here, cause I want to, I want to get this story. This is important Toronto history. You to get the spoken word bit. That's the, that's the single version. That's not the album version. Okay. We're going to get this right. Everybody's

got to get the album version. Stand by. Okay. We're going to get the album version of lens, Okay, we're going to get the album version of Lens, Steal My Sunshine. Let's see if this is it. Let's listen. That sound right? Might be. Might be. Oh yeah, that sounds like the album version. That's a much longer, spacey intro.

Hey Matt. Yeah Tim. Hey. You talked to Mark lately? Uh, I haven't really talked to him. That's a much longer, spacey intro. Brendan, tell me everything. Well, does he like butter tarts? I was lying on the grass of Sunday morning last week Tell me everything Well, I somehow ended up in Len And I did a little spoken word bit heard in that part And in another part in the middle of the song We talk about Mark in the intro and then we talk about Sharon in the middle of the song. We talk about Mark in the intro and then we talk about Sharon in the middle part so that'll be coming up after this next

chorus. Well you're like a conductor when you go up like this I'm gonna bring up the song in the background while we listen to you talk about how you ended up in Lens. Yeah, you know what I don't know well Mark, Greg Norrie, myself and various other people had a little side project called Rockets Glare Red. And it was kind of an emo-y cup of beer. We had like a four song cassette we never released. And we recorded it, some at Mark's

and some at Ryerson, I think. Oh, here you go. Come here, come here, come here. Wow, look at her. I think. Oh, here you go. I know. I've never seen Sharon look so bad before. I did once before, but this is pretty bad. What do you think she got up to last night? Karen, I love you. There you go. There's my involvement with that song. But I think there's some minds being blown right now.

I think people want to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like,

oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be There you go. There's my involvement with that song. But I think there's some minds being blown right now. I think people are fainting from the mind blow. And years later, Mark would credit me because that's where I had my turntables when I was DJing in the early days. They would be at the L Len house on Rockston Road.

And then Mark credited me with finding that sample. But I think he kind of just did that to hitch his boat to the BSS train that was taken off. You wouldn't blame him. No, no, you can't blame him. He's a businessman, first and foremost. Do you still go home and you see in your mailbox, you can just crammed with royalty checks

from your spoken word contribution? Yeah, yeah, you'd wish that happened. So we just won't talk about that. Okay, well that's the real talk right here. Yeah. Okay, so. I got some money. But if I actually found the sample, then if it was me, I'd maybe

She'll let a little more money without it. That's the song but it's also you know, it's it's the Andrea True's connection How do you like it more more more? That's the the break the break in that song right but that's still these samples make that song And they sure well, there is no song without that sample no I just want you know to be you'd be fairly compensated yeah well now that you're an FOTM yeah well I appreciate that and you know life goes on I got some money bought some pedals and then Kevin and I started a broken social scene. So it all worked out. Perfect segue.

I would say though, Brendan, if you were just the guy from Head who was in My By Divine Right for a spell who then had a role in Land. We can take this song down all the way down though, no? Yeah, we've heard this song enough. You can hear it in Choppa Canna ads. It's okay, I'm gonna kill you. There you go. Thank you

Thank you Anything for you Brendan anything for you? Okay, so I was getting royalties on it. It'd be a different story If you're I you know, I don't be cracking upset my guest here. You're enjoying your fresh Friday, yeah. Yeah, you know no complaints talking to Brendan canning for goodness sakes Who and I will be at the garrison to see you Yeah, and we're at later and again at the end. We're gonna revisit that because Love somebody some of these artists many of these artists on that bill Have been in this basement and are very familiar to the listenership. So we're gonna talk about that in a moment

So you said you and Kevin Drew start broken social scene? So you said you and Kevin Drew start broken social scene. Yeah, even though he had already had a thing with Charles Spearin and James and Emily were in that, what called Casey accidental. So it was me hearing that, that sort of thought to myself, oh, I should be involved in this too, this sounds cool. And I knew Kevin a little bit from around town,

saying I might rotate this and whatever. And he'd let me know he had a gig at the Mockingbird or wherever. I never made it too, but yeah, always liked him. And yeah, then broken social scene started. And then yada, yada, yada. Yada, yada, yada is 2025 and we're still in the game, putting out a new record.

Okay, that was gonna be a question. I'm gonna ask it right now since you opened the door there. Can we expect a new studio album for Broken Social Scene? Sure, sure. It's been a while, right? Yeah, yeah, it's been a while. Yeah, next year sometime. How long has it been?

2000, how long has it been? It's been... 2017. Okay. Okay, so what stage are you at if we want new broken social scene? Oh, we're getting close to the finish line. Are you going to hire Noah to master it? You know, we've been working with a math for the tour, my toro project. Yes. Noah is first and foremost in charge of mastering.

I like when I get the list of albums that Noah has mastered. Yeah, that's a lot. And I don't even fully understand what mastering is. Does anybody? No one does. He just invoices. He listens, he invoices. He says, I mastered this. What does that mean? Yeah. Is his invoices are very low because, uh, I get the, I get the extreme friends and family, right? Right. Well, you better give you, come on.

All right. So broken social scene, checking the clock here, here's what I'm going to do. Actually. I am going to just give you another gift. Oh, first the gift of wisdom. Okay. The wisdom is this, which is, you. I am going to just give you another gift. Oh, wow. First, the gift of wisdom, okay? The gift of wisdom is this. Which is, you know, you can't put a price on that.

Right, it's priceless to tell you that, and I assume, Brendan, you've got like a drawer or a closet or a room full of like old electronics, old tech, old cables. You know what? It's, and it always, I always think like, what am I supposed to do with all this shit because I have so many Everyone has a box of cables

Don't throw it in the garbage, bro. Oh, I know I don't those chemicals end up in our landfill. I know it's not good for anybody I know I know but what if I told you you could go to recycle my electronics dot see a please please put in your postal code What part of the city do you live in I live front and Spadina right downtown downtown okay life is giving you you can always go downtown or and the Simpsons groundskeeper willy yes yes so recycle my electronics dot CA put in your postal code and find it This is a groundskeeper. Willie says, yes. So recycle my electronics does CA put in your poster code and find it where you can drop that off to be properly recycled. I want to shout out Nick. I E N E S from building Toronto skyline.

That's his podcast. And Nick, we, we talk about, we talk about the new, uh, skyscraper going up at one young street where the Toronto star building was, that's going to be the tallest skyscraper in the at one young street where the Toronto Star building was. That's going to be the tallest skyscraper in the country. Oh, can't wait. We talked about CN Tower turned 50. Oh my God. And we talked about, I talked, we talked to a guy who was up there doing the iron work

on the CN Tower 50 years ago. It was amazing. It's a great podcast. I get to co-host it and Nick Aini is a proud supporter of this show. So much love to Nick. And last but not least, this is the gift I was teasing you with. Oh, right. This is a wireless speaker. Whoa. Quality wireless speaker from Monaris. Okay.

And with that wireless speaker, you, Brendan, will subscribe and listen to Yes, We Are Open, which is an award-winning podcast from Monaris hosted by FOTM Al Grego. Al went to Regina, Saskatchewan. How many times do you think you've been to Regina, Saskatchewan? Me? No, eight, eight times, eight times. Okay, Al's got seven more to catch up to you. He did go to Regina made his Regina debut. He visited with Tracy Bosch,

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You go Tracy. You go Al, you go Brendan. You listen to season eight of Yes, We Are Open. Okay. All right. A question came in from Jimmy Cooper. With such a large band of widely varied members, how do you actually manage to schedule a practice? So this is about broken social scene. I don't know how many people were in the band at its height. I don't know how many people are in the band today. You can speak to this but it's like a collective. Yeah a little thing called group emails or group texts.

Pretty pretty basic. Is it on signal? Signal. Oh my god I forgot about that. You accidentally added me to one and I know everything. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty basic. It's not as not as complicated as you might think. But it's complicated. We won't name everybody obviously, but there are it's worth noting, you know, Feist was

in Broken Social Scene. Sure was. You mentioned Amy Millan who I quite like and stars, of course. Yeah. Maine, I think Emily Haynes. Yeah. Her sister's been here, but Emily has yet to be here.

So it's hard to get her butt over here. Oh, well, you know, I don't run Emily's affairs. You don't interfere. No, no. Keep it, keep it purely a friend basis. Smart, but like does it ever get I just I'm curious about that dynamic I've seen broken social seen many times and I guess there's a number of people on that stage like how do you

guys keep that hurting those cats there well you just do that's it you just do okay take it no we're. We're dealing with professionals. Yeah. Who, when you said, so you mentioned there's a, we can see at history, we can see Broken Social Scene pretty soon. And I hope everybody goes and buys a ticket if there's any available.

Like, what, who will we see? You will see pretty much the touring out, the touring version of the band for the past bunch of years, but it's, uh, myself, Kevin Drew, Charles Spearin, Justin Parov, Andrew Whiteman, Sam Goldberg, Ariel Engel, Jill Harris, and Evan, no, Evan not on that gig. David French will be on that gig and we still need some trombones so I have yet to reach out to Ernesto Barahona might be him yeah and we'll see who else. I can't say for sure, but that's pretty much who you would see.

Cool. Now, you've won two Junos for alternative album of the year. So you won those for You Forgotten in People, in the self-titled album. Correct. Do you have physical copies of Junos, you yourself, Brendan Canning? Yeah. you have physical copies of Juno's you yourself Brendan Canning? Uh, yeah. Yeah. I got one out at my folks place and I think the other one might be in my place.

Glad to hear it. But you don't know, like, is it on display on a mantle or something? It's on a shelf, I think. Yeah. Little taste of what I think you'll, I think it's one of your bigger jams. We hear often on CF and why elsewhere, but just to hear this one on CF and why I did when I listened to see if I like all the time. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. Who produced this? Dave Neufeld, who is also producing the new record.

Yeah. Is it possible, broken social scene, this might be your most, what I would call accessible song? Like, if you were in a room to build it, I'm going to write a hit? I don't know. Tough to say. Like if you were in a room to build it, like I'm gonna write a hit? Uh... I don't know, tough to say. I mean I think they're all pretty accessible to be honest. Or a pop group.

You know, we're just a little bit left of centre maybe. Any broken social scene, specific broken social scene inspirations you want to shout out here? What do you mean for this song in particular? No, I will not necessarily on this that is what you'd like to share but more overall like any particular artists or bands that you seek to emulate or are inspired by. I mean starting out sure you know a lot of bands we liked like throughout the group would be you know Pavement or Dinosaur Jr or Tortoise or Boards of Canada or Apex Twin and you know Los Lobos. I don't know you you know. Somewhere... Steve Berlin produced some hip.

Yeah, yeah, you sure did. Yeah. Uh, you know, kind of in that ballpark. Okay, cool. You know, listen, a bit more. You don't mind if I turn this one up a bit? A little bit. Cocktoe Twins, maybe. So you and I were in the same room last Friday night

on the sound garage and I saw on keyboards FOTM Bernard Mesa Yeah And that got me thinking about Cookie Duster Sure, well not only Bernard but there was that you basically saw the Cookie Duster lineup last Friday So Damon Richardson on drums, Gino Bryan on vocals, Ian Blurton on guitar on production. So yeah, you basically saw the cookie duster lineup last Friday. As I was looking up on

stage I'm like, oh yeah, there you go. Are there any bands you've been in we haven't mentioned yet, Brendan? Oh, of course. Yeah, yeah. Now I want to hear them. I was in the John Critchley group, or a spell there, John, who was in 13 Engines. Of course. Yeah.

More was a big jam from 13 Engines. Yeah, yeah. So I was in the John Critchley group. Right in the bone? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, from the Roberts and Davies novel. Which they made me, I was happy to do it,

but they made me read that in... Yeah, good novel. The other one that we had to read was Fifth Business. Yeah, another good one. Yeah, yeah. Carl Jung and everything. Uh-huh. Jeez, I can't remember.

I just started book clubbing. Okay, so what other band? You know, I played with M. Griner for a couple runs. Love her. Yeah, me too. I played a little spell in a country group called the Hotshots. Also that Bob McNiven was the leader of that group. He did some time in the Stompin' Tom band.

I want to shout out Banjo Duncan Fremlin, who was dear. He passed away. Mr. McNiven here. I think he passed away. Oh, God, imagine Bob McNiven. Oh, did he die? And yeah, and I remember Banjo Duncan Fremlin coming over and we were talking about him, but he's doing something with Douglas Cameron of Stompin' Tom type tribute. Oh no kidding. And the link it to Len, Michael Clifton, the drummer for the Hotshots, used to own a record store on Markham called Happy House. By the Honest Eds. Yeah yeah and that's where Mark and I would go to buy, Mark from Len and I

would go to buy records and I got,in and I would go to buy records. And I got, I remember buying Herbie Hancock Maiden Voyage there, back when you could buy it for 14 bucks. Dude, I actually often think about the cool fucking stores on Markham. Well, you try not to think about it because they got, it was a sad day in Toronto getting rid of like a really, you know, original street. Markham was an original, you know, he took down a neighborhood. I try not to think about it as well, but there's a new asterix.

Asterix? Yes, not to be confused with asterix. Asterix, movie or series or something, but I used to go to Markham Street to go to a bookstore there where I would buy my asterix comics. Like this was a ritual. Oh yeah, the con, yeah.

Yeah, it was on the east side of the street. Love that. I think I got that, I got a coffee table book, it's called, it's like a pro wrestling, like it's a big coffee table book is called. Oh, it's like a pro wrestling like it's a big coffee table book exquisite Exquisite mayhem. Okay, what era of pro wrestling are you talking? I'm like, I mean the book it spans a lot, but I'm I'm 80 to 83

I'm 80. I'm like 85 to 89. Okay. Yeah, I just missed each other but shout out out to Rowdy Roddy Piper. Oh, sure. Sure I saw rowdy at meepleaf gardens. Yeah. Oh man, I could we could do a wrestling show. Yeah, we could We're great again. You were in rehearsals. So we pushed this and then I got it. I got a bolt but it's worth mentioning in 2021 pitchfork listed broken social scene as the most one of the most important artists of the last 25 years. Wow. We'll take it. Get that on a T-shirt.

We will take it. And I would be remiss if I didn't point out maybe I just play a little spell here. I have you captive here, Brandon. Yeah, that's OK. I should be talking up this intro. Yeah, you should be. Come on. Well, you should be. You know exactly how to hit this post.

Yeah, this is a, this has got some drama to it. This is like Broken Social, a little darker than Broken Social and darker cousin. Here we go, folks. Hit the wall. Check out that baseline. Some classic Justin Perot drum beats there. What is that guy singing about? Yeah, we never played this one live.

Good tune. 2008. Yeah. Something for All of Us is the name of the album. It's a solo album. Yeah. And it was part of this series, right? The Broken Social Scene Presents.

It's just more like a Broken Social Scene record directed by me and Kevin's was like a Broken Social Scene record directed by him. Any more of these in store? No, I don't think so. I mean, I got this one, I got You Got The Chill, I got Homewrecking Years, and now I'm working on Toro, which is my songs. But I figured I'd get someone who's a better singer to sing them. That's what Hayden thought he was doing back in 93. Well, I'm going the opposite.

And again, Hayden's been over, I've talked to Noah, but it blows my mind because Hayden has a great voice and everybody loves it. It's just wild to think there's a time where he's like, I shouldn't sing my own songs. You know, we all got to... He was young. Even dwarves started small. Hip, I think it was Gord, who was it? No, I don't want to get it right.

Somebody in the Tragically Hip once said, we're the world's tallest midgets. He said, and I don't know if that's a... Is that a word? I don't know if that's a word you can use. I don't know if you... Anyway. And I think the crux of what he was talking about was that, you know, they could sell out arenas in Canada multiple days in a row, but they are in, you know, when you are with

them, they're in smaller clubs. Yeah. Yeah. In America. Why do you think it is? This is a good way. We're going to finish up again with the, uh, the honoring Dave Bookman. And this is the second year that there's been a live tribute show to honor Dave Bookman. And we're going to close up with let's get friendship, right? Yeah. But why do you think it is that the hip were so massive here? And I mean, they were successful. I had this argument of Jay Gold, like they were, they were popular, but they weren't going to be able to come close to filling an arena anywhere outside of Canada. Um, oh, here's a good part of the song. Let's give it.

More of the, uh, shoe gazey part of the song. or the shoegazee part of the song. It's a good fucking song. You know, the Tradiolip, they wrote songs about Canada. And there's a lot of rock bands in America. And how, you know, it's like, why did Midnight Oil only have one big record in America? You know, or why, like, you know, I think they're just, they're just, they had the career they had. And you know, it was a perfectly fine career. Like, you know, who would, who would be mad if you were, had the Chad Kleehep's career? You know,

they got to go to Europe, played, they did, you know, did great business over in Europe sometimes. And you know, they didn't do terrible business in the US, they just didn't play hockey arenas. But if you saw them in Chicago, they'd be playing to, you know, 2,700 people. If you saw them in New York, same thing. If you saw them in Seattle, same thing. But then if you saw them in Eugene, Oregon, maybe it'd be a little smaller. Or if you saw them in Atlanta, maybe it'd be a little smaller.

But you know, that's the way it goes. Some bands- And we love them. Yeah, some bands are bigger in different markets and that's just, that's showbiz folks. And like Gord said, it's better for us if you don't understand. Yeah, there you go.

So let's get friendship right is May 9th. So we're talking on May 2nd. I'll drop this episode right away before I head out to the junction. The Garrison, which is 1197 Dundas Street. Dundas and Ossington. Dundas and Ossington. Very popular corridor. It'll be biking over on May 9th. I can't wait. So it's a free event, but you bring a non-perishable

food item because or three or four or five. It's going to a great cause, the Daily Bread Food Bank. This is presented, I want to shout out Indy 88 because my dear friend and beloved FOTM Bob Ouellette is on that station six days a week. So, Indy 88 and Departure, which is the new name for something. There's a whole controversy there, but I'll fill you in as we take our photo by the Toronto tree. And we already shouted out Stephen Stanton. Here's another connection to FOTM though.

The artwork and it's great artwork I was looking at is Kurt Swinghammer. So there's his Sam the record man right there. Kurt's a good FOTM as is his wife. And just to shout out a few artists here. So we've been talking a lot about Ian Blurden as one does. He's in like the house, he's in the band, I guess.

There's a band. So a few, I'm gonna just bear with me here. We're not using the house band.'s in the band, I guess. There's a band. Okay. So a few, I'm going to just bear with me here. I'm going to be- We're not using the house band. I've had enough of those guys. You don't need- I've had enough of Blurton and Anna and all the rest of them. We're just doing it ourselves.

Good for you. Okay. So again, self-serving, but whatever. This is Toronto Mike's. You're not on CBC here. So I'm just going to shut out the FOTMs who are on the bill, okay? Sky Wallace is on this bill. Yeah. We love Sky. We love Sky. I was introduced to Sky by lowest of the low. Oh there you go.

Opening for them. Okay and this is a gentleman who's actually making his Toronto Mike debut on Tuesday. Menno Verstieg from Colorado. Oh yeah yeah yeah. So he's on the bill. Menno. I'm gonna shut out Kevin Hearn who's been on the show a couple of times and we love Kevin and Kevin was there with Gordon his final journey there Yeah, yeah, he sure was when Peter Mansbridge talks to Gordowney. That's Kevin's living room. Uh-huh and Future FOTM Ben Koala, I go koala wits How did I do? You know what? I just call him Ben Ben from Billy Talent from Billy Talent who hasn't yet made his debut

But he will but Talia Schlanger is on the bill. Well, there you go former Former NPR CBC. Yeah, and she's great. Yeah, absolutely Andy Mays and Josh Finlayson So the guys heard of those guys. Absolutely again, just cherry-picking but Hugh Christopher Brown also known as Chris Brown Yes, the bourbon tabernacle fire stayed at his place a few times in brooklyn park slope with bidevine right and with oh i forgot bands i've been in valley of the giants okay because i'm keeping a list here thank you that one yeah it's got to reach 20 because it's been 20 dave hodge's favorite artist of all time it's not gordon lightfoot like some people think oh no it's cathleen edwards isn't it's a good guess too like some people think. Oh no, it's Kathleen Edwards.

That's a good guess too, because he loves Kathleen Edwards, but it's actually Justin Rutledge. Oh, all right. Oh yeah, Justin Rutledge. He's gonna be at this show. Big fan, big fan. And to wrap it up as we,

I'm gonna just shout out a former member of Change of Heart, John Bora. John Bora, yeah. You got Peter and Leia of July Talked. Absolutely. Yeah, so do you know, I mean, I should ask them, of course I should ask them, but why not just call, you just, why not call yourself July Talk? I guess there's more members than just them in July Talk.

Well, there is. Yeah, I get it. I would say if you were to see a picture of July Talk, I know it's just the two of them in the band photo, I don't think anyone would bat an eye. So we lost Dave Bookman six years ago. We mentioned CFNY earlier, but he was a great host on CFNY. He was a great host on Indie 88.

He was a lover of indie music, a great supporter of indie music. And it's great that you guys are doing this for him in his memory. Yes. And I should shout out one more person who's gonna host the night, Josie Dye, who's been over here. Oh yeah, yeah. Love Josie. And she worked with

Dave at both those stations, of course. And now she's on Chum. Oh, that I did not know. She left the indie morning show and went to Chum. Well, we all got to make moves in life. I don't think Chum is playing any broken socials. I doubt it. I doubt it. How was this for you, Brendan? Did you have a good time? I had a great time. And you're gonna take- Is this the outro music? Yeah.

I mean, I knew it was gonna be good as soon as I heard Chuck D. Like, okay, okay, I'm on the right show. You're in code ends. This, by the way, it's a fun fact. So come soon, I think in a couple of weeks- Is this the instrumental version of Rosie and Grey? Correct.

Okay. And now ask me who made this version? You won't guess. No it sounds like a band like Travis or something. That would be wild okay. It's Rob Bruce who is a musical prodigy is like a he was a 15 year old when he joined the Spoons. Oh, Burlington band. You might have heard of heard of them heard of him. He had a special note to play in these bars and stuff because he wasn't legal, but he played as the keyboards and he put together this cover for me and he added some Easter eggs to the end. So after I say a little intro,

we'll react to the Easter eggs. How does that sound? Uh, yes, yes. It's not good though, how I knew this song. Testament to the tune. I've been closing episodes of Toronto Miked with Rosie and Gray from Shakespeare My Butt for 13 years. So, I love that song. And that brings us to the end of our 1,684th show. That's my favorite number. Get a tattoo of that number. Yeah. Go to, this is important. First of all, go see Broken Social Scene because these are living legends in our midst. That's amazing. But definitely go to the Garrison and support this wonderful, wonderful concert. I'll be talking more about it with Menno next week, but his doors are at 7 PM. It'll be a fun night. Two sets, one at 8 and one at 10 o'clock.

We're old though. Don't go too late. Okay. No, not too late. We're in the first set. Okay, good. Much love to all who made this possible. Again, that's Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta.

Don't leave without your lasagna. How about that? Minaris, you got your speaker. Mm-hmm. Toronto Maple Leaf Baseball. Everybody join me at 1.30 PM on May 11th. RecycleMyElectronics.ca, building Toronto skyline and Ridley funeral home. See you Monday with snow. What song is this?

Nice, nice, nice. What song is this? Nice, nice, nice. That's the Friendly Giant theme song. Okay, what is this? That's Alfie Zappa Costa's Pizza Nobita. Oh, I did not know that was a Zappa Costa jam. What's this? Oh, I did not know that was a Zappa Costa Jam. What's this? Oh, now some spoon, a little romantic traffic.

So he co-wrote this with Gore Dept. This is romantic traffic from spoons. Oh, here's Roland Rayner, first head drummer in the video. Oh, okay. Well, so that was of course, shadowy men and a shadowy plan. It sure was. Shout out to Don Pyle who's been over and we're back. We're back. Thanks for this Brendan. I love this. So there you go. Roland Rainer, romantic traffic video.