Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Brent Butt: Toronto Mike'd #775

Episode Date: December 21, 2020

Mike chats with Brent Butt about Corner Gas, the resurrection of the show as an animated series, his new Christmas song, the passing of Janet Wright, Craig Northey and The Odds and more.

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I'm Mike from torontomike.com and joining me this week is Brent. But Brent, how are you holding up during this pandemic? From a health standpoint, our relatives, our families are okay. how are you holding up during this pandemic from a from a health standpoint uh our you know relatives our families are okay um and from a work standpoint you know we're very fortunate the fact that we do an animated show it lends itself to you know we we never had to shut down we had to tweak and pivot and make adjustments but we were able to keep going. So I'm counting my blessing. It's almost like you saw this coming.

Yeah, I'm prescient. Yeah, so I mean, I had to cancel some runs of stand-up shows, but I have this other thing to fall back on. So I feel for a lot of my friends, a lot of my buddies who are just strictly comics, that's it. They had 92% of their income hauled away immediately. I know. Awful times, right?

I mean, I talk to a lot of musicians. In fact, recently I had a good chat with Craig Northey, who's going to come up in a moment because... Never heard of him. He's connected to some of Canada's greatest comics, really, because because yeah, of course there's the Brent Butt connection, which we'll talk about, but he's well connected to Kids in the Hall as well. Yeah. I met him through Kids in the Hall,

actually. That's how I met Craig. Because back in the old days, when I lived in Toronto, like late eighties, early nineties, I used to do studio warmup for the kids when they were taping their show. I was one of the comics that did studio warmups for them.

And then I moved to Vancouver and they started live, a run of live shows. And so they called up and they said, Hey, we're going to be playing Vancouver and Victoria. Would you open for us there? And you know, the kids were fans of odds.

Odds were a fan of the kids. So they came down to the show to meet. And so that's where I first met the odds was at the kids in the hall show. Where was that? Was that the Rivoli? Where was that? Do you remember? It was at the V to meet. And so that's where I first met the odds was at the kids in the hall show. Where was that? Was that the Rivoli? Where was that? Do you remember? It was at the Vogue theater here in Vancouver.

Oh, in Vancouver. Okay. Okay. Cause you, you, as you mentioned, you did spend some time in Toronto,

right? Pre pre corner gas. You had a little bit of time here in Toronto. Yeah. When I, when I first started standup, I moved, like I started standup in Saskatoon, then moved to Calgary probably for four months and then realized

this is a waste of time. I really should be in Toronto. I went to check out Toronto with a couple other comics. I got invited with a guy, a comedian named Jamie Davis from Edmonton said, listen, I'm, I'm driving to Toronto. I know you can't afford gas money, blah, blah, blah. I don't care. I'm going get in. You need to be seen by the people who book shows in Toronto. And so he brought me out there and I stayed for almost five years. Wow. Okay. And during this stint, because I saw that you appeared on an episode of Kids in the Hall. Yeah, a couple actually. So, okay. Now I'm a bit of a kids in the hall freak here so uh a little detail like uh basically you were buds from the live shows and they just had a bit

part for you or how do you get on kids in the hall there yeah that was they were always great at kind of throwing a bone to their buddies because they knew it would mean like a couple hundred bucks for the day you know if you were in a sketch or something like that um so if there was a if there was a part that kind of applied they felt that you could fill the bill and it wasn't you know something huge where they needed a fantastic actor or something so like i was uh i was in a mr heavyfoot sketch mr heavyfoot goes to the movies and he's walking down the aisle and he's stepping on people's feet. I was one of the people whose foot he stepped on.

You basically see my silhouette going, ow! You don't get residual checks for that one, I guess. No. I sold it out. And then I was in a sketch called Stay Down, where Bruce McCullough fights the biggest dude in

the world um this guy was like seven foot three i think he was the tallest man in canada at the time and anyway so bruce the idea was this guy was uh uh in the sketch bruce keeps fighting this giant guy the guy keeps knocking him down he keeps getting up for more and people are saying stay down stay down anyway the big tough guy the big giant guy has a couple of tough buddies in the bar right and bruce said to me you know would you you would you play one of the big tough guys in the bar well sure i said but you know i'm five foot nine but bruce is quite uh small you know and so to him well if you're five foot nine or seven foot three it's all the same to him you know it's all relative giant it's all perspective i suppose at

that point you know you know and this is really a tangent but we do that on this show uh i remember reading that the friendly giant would never make live appearances because he didn't want the kids to see he's like a normal sized man like yeah yeah like a burst your bubble like that i remember one time my uh my friend god rest him eric tunney he was such a funny comedian and he um anyway he and i were driving down one day and he said he used to host a show on cbc called switchback yes and we were driving by the old studios and he said that's where i used to record uh my show switchback that's where mr dress-up was recorded we drove a little farther there's a corner store and he said

that's where mr dress-up bought his cigarettes and it was like a big bubble bursting i love that little those details like that fantastic i'm gonna play this song so maybe what we'll do is we'll talk about some current stuff, which is Christmas stuff, because tis the season. I'm going to have this live right after we finish chatting. So people will get a chance to consume this before Christmas. But so I want to play your song. Then we're just going to go back a little bit if it's cool and just talk

about sort of the origin of Corner Gas and some, I have some questions from your fans of whom there are many. So maybe the first hard hitting question before I play the Christmas song with Craig Northey there is, I've always wondered this forever. Are you really a butt? Like is butt an actual like on your birth certificate or is this a comic like handle that you adopted? Yeah, no, it's my actual real name.

What the hell would I gain by changing my name to butt? That's a terrible, that is some the hell would I gain by changing my name to Butt? That's a terrible... That is some bad decision-making on my part. Yeah, it was Wilson, but I... No, it's... Yeah. It's Brent that's not my real name. Harry is my real...

That's an old joke from my stand-up in the 80s. Oh, I like it. You can bring that back, my friend. It's uh but but i know it's my real name so was it i need to know if it was tough in primary school etc with the last name but or do you just get used to it like did you i guess i'm wondering did you have to become a comic like were you forced into the role of being sort of the comic because of this last name yes every that's why every person who has the last name Butt is now a touring comedian. They have no other occupation.

I mean, some are circus clowns, sure, but the vast majority of the people with the last name Butt are working comedy professionals. What choice do they have? No, that's a ridiculous notion. No. I apologize for being ridiculous.

It was very it was very common in my hometown i'm from a big family and their cousins and everything so but in my hometown it was like smith it never even occurred to me that it was any anything unusual until i started traveling you know playing hockey as a teenager and your name is on the back of your sweater and then people are yelling stuff in the stands and you're like oh yeah it does mean that um but no i never i never got teased plus i'm i'm a true i'm a tremendously physical powerful fighter right so people knew better than to uh i'm a trained killer oh that's great that's great here let's play a little bit so i'll play a bit of this and then i'll fade it down. And then I want to find out some details.

I think this is, you know, rather impressive. You've recorded a Christmas song here. So this is called Everyone Can Sing at Christmas. It's Christmas time. There's joy and love everywhere There's also a special kind Of magic in the air Even if the rest of the year

You can't carry a tune in a bucket When the north wind blows and you hear the ho ho hoes it's time to just say because everyone can sing at christmas wow brad it's me craig over in guitar i'm gonna use christmas magic to do all kinds of things I can't normally do. Well, hold up, Craig. That's not how this magic works. Don't think that you can suddenly do kung fu. Well done, Brent.

Well done. So what's your impetus here? Is it that you needed a song to go along with your Corner Gas animated holiday episode? Or tell me how this came to be everyone can sing at christmas the way that it kind of came to be was initially my production partner virginia thompson said to me uh you and craig you do you work well together you should you guys should do a christmas album and release it for christmas this year and i said well it's like it's like late oct late October. It takes quite a bit to put an album together. I don't know if you know what's involved.

But I said, you know, I actually have an idea for a Christmas song. I've had this idea for a song called Everyone Can Sing at Christmas. And the notion behind it is like there's this Christmas magic that allows people to sing at Christmas time, but don't rely on this magic to do other things you can't normally do. And then the song kind of becomes a cautionary tale. Right. So, uh, anyway, I told Craig Northey some of the lyrics and he thought they were funny and he added some music. And then, so I wrote some more lyrics and then he added some more music and he got his band

the odds in and then he got some horn players from ontario and and next thing you know i'm in the studio belting it out like bobby darren i mean i mean i'm a big fan of the odds and uh craig i mean like you mentioned you work well with the man he uh when i had craig on we talked a lot about how he's on both the uh the opening theme and the closing theme of corner gas and uh he's one of canada's greatest musicians and he he's also in that i don't know if you know about the uh the project uh trans canada highwaymen yeah yeah of course of course of course uh with uh and strippers union right yes right with the uh gentleman he does it all yeah but i'm gonna shout out the trans canada highwaymen first just to see if I can remember who they are. Of course, we're talking Stephen Page, Chris Murphy, and Craig Northey, and Moe Berg.

And Moe Berg, yeah. Which is like a Mount Rushmore here of CanCon alt-rockers, if you will. Yeah, that's a talented slew of people there. Have you ever, like, did you know you could sing? I mean, I know the whole premise of this song is that everyone can sing at Christmas, but I mean, I'd be weary to put my voice on a track like that, but you hold your own here.

I was well aware I can sing, but that's such a grave, vague term, you know. Leonard Cohen could sing, right? He was a male vocalist of the year. It's like he said, only Canada would give a guy like me the male vocalist of the year. So I can sing. I just can't sing well.

But, you know, I don't pigeonhole myself into just doing things that I can do well. I do lots of things I don't do well. I play poker. I'm a legitimately terrible poker player. Like, I've been playing poker regularly for, I don't do well i play poker i'm a legitimately terrible poker player like i've been playing poker regularly for i don't know 30 plus years i still look at the card that says what hand beats what hand i need a refresher there's a straight beat a straight beat said what um you

know i play hockey i'm no good at hockey i shoot pool i'm no good at pool but i enjoy all these things so i do them and i think that's kind of the underlying message. If there is a message to my music, the underlying theme of the song is don't just do, like, don't worry about whether you're good at it or not. If you have a good time, just do it. No, that's good. That's good advice. It's a sing like nobody's listening, I think is the old adage there. Yeah. And then record it and put it on the radio.

Now we are. Right, right. Exactly. So are you getting airplay? Like, are actual radio stations picking that up? It's timely. I'm told they are. Okay.

I don't track these things very closely. Smarter people than me kind of monitor that stuff. I breeze in like the dopey artist, you know, I lay it down and then see you later, everybody. And I hope somebody is looking after these things. Well, you know. I think Craig is on top of it. Well, as you you're uh you've got good advice to record a holiday song because the nice thing about these holiday songs is every year they're suddenly relevant again it's like magic right it's yeah exactly i'm i'm no dope but no it was just like a for me it was just kind of

a fun thing to do and it's it happened pretty organically and um that's when things are the best you know when when you have an organic idea and you flush it around and kick it around with buddies and it becomes a thing that's when it's legit and feels good and feels right okay let's take you back my friend if you don't mind uh because of course i should point out now that uh it's it's past december 14th so i'm people can On Demand, I'm sure, via CTV's comedy channel. They can watch the first ever Corner Gas animated holiday episode, Tinsolitis. This is something people could literally leave this episode and seek out On Demand and enjoy today. Yeah, so all of season three, including the Christmas episode, Tinsolitis, is now available to stream.

It joins season one and two of the animated on Crave. And again, a very smart decision to become an animated character knowing that there was a pandemic on the horizon. So kudos to you. Yeah, pretty impression. Really, it was all about, for me, it was about knowing that in animation, I could have season one hairline for the rest of my life.

That's what it was about, really. It must be nice that no makeup required, right? Like you can just... Yeah, no shaving. For me, it's about shaving. I don't enjoy shaving. I also don't want to have a beard. I don't like that itchy...

I'm with you, man. Yeah. So I like to shave about once a week that's what i do um and when you're in tv production it's every damn day sometimes twice a day if you're if you're if you're up first in the morning and last to the which i often was on corner gas sometimes i'd have to shave twice in the day brutal that's no good that's like uh homer simpson i think had to shave twice in a day if i uh remember correctly but uh there's a lot uh there's too many similarities between myself and homer simpson i remember the one episode where he was like worried about his weight yes and he he uh

weighed himself and he weighed less than i did at the time oh he weighed 239 that was about 244 uh yeah well you're in beautiful vancouver i suggest you buy a nice bicycle and then you can eat like a pig well i'm down now to back to my high school weight i've been here's one of my stand-up comedy bits i've been saying my act here's i'm down to my same weight i was in high school and if you here's a tip if you want to get down to the same weight you were in high school it really helps if you were a bit of a pudge in high school super helpful that's great i'm just going to find a way to weasel in stand-up bits throughout this whole interview please do i i enjoy the greasy weasel i am just just do it uh now okay historically this is my

i don't have any research I don't have a crack research staff that has said this is true. This is my perception as a 40-something-year-old guy who has watched a lot of Canadian television. Historically, it seems to me, like, we talk about Kids in the Hall, and we can all talk about SCTV, and there's these great examples of Canadian television shows that are still fantastic. But when it comes to sitcoms, it seems to me, historically, we weren't particularly good at sitcoms. Now we're being celebrated worldwide because, you know, Schitt's Creek is a huge global success and Kim's Convenience is very good

and there's others. But I'm wondering, like, would we even have a Schitt's Creek here with the great success it's having if there wasn't corner gas? Like, do you feel like maybe you were a a gateway to that um i kind of in some way i think so because i know that like one of the things that always irked me but you know leading into corner gas years before corner gas was this notion that we can't do sitcoms i'd always hear people say we can't do sitcoms in canada and i always thought that's what a stupid thing to say i know we don't do them very often right but the notion that we can't do sitcoms. I'd always hear people say, we can't do sitcoms in Canada. And I always thought, what a stupid thing to say. I know we don't do them very often,

but the notion that we can't do them is goofy. And I understand there's a certain pragmatic, logistic, economic reality to the fact that generally speaking, it takes a lot of failures to find a hit. And each failure is very costly. So we don't have the market to warrant making 10 shows that don't work very well to find that one that does because that one will more than pay for the 10 failures. We don't have that market. In the States, they can't. If you find a a friends the billions of

dollars that the friends generates will more than pay for the the hello larry's and the whatever you know my mother the cars all the shows that didn't but the so the economics leans against the canadian industry for creating sitcoms but still that notion that we can't do it always bugged me especially because there were some sitcoms even as a kid growing up that i canadian sitcoms that i liked hanging in yeah i was i always think hanging in was a solid loads of jokes good felt real i thought hanging in was great king of kensington was really good the the jokes on king of kensington really holds up too so anyway so when we did corner gas and it became um very very popular it was actually the number one comedy in canada at times which was never happened before like a it wasn't the number one canadian comedy it was the number one comedy ahead of u.s counterparts so that i know

that i've had people after that in the industry, comedians and writers and actors, say that they suddenly were able to get meetings with networks that they couldn't get before. And the notion was it would always come up in the conversation that, well, Corner Gas has shown that maybe there's some merit to being able to do this. So, you know, Mark McKinney, speaking of kids in the hall, Mark McKinney said in an interview that Canadian TV will always be defined as pre-corner gas and post-corner gas. Wow. And I wear that as a badge on it because I think he's a pretty sharp dude. Well earned, Brent, because forget Canadian. Oh, it's a great Canadian sitcom.

For us Canadians, it's a great sitcom, period. It's like I heard somebody on Twitter, an American, said, oh, my son's taking ice skating lessons. And I saw every reply was just a great sitcom, period. I heard somebody on Twitter, an American, said, oh, my son's taking ice skating lessons. And I saw every reply was just a Canadian saying, oh, we call that skating lessons here. And I think Corner Gas is just a well-crafted, enjoyable sitcom regardless of its country of origin. Yeah, that was always my goal was to make a show

that happened to be canadian um because i i when i first talked to the network about it i said i don't want this to be a canadian show i want this to be a show that is canadian i don't want it to be about you know a moose who dreams of playing in the nhl but his father wants him to run the canoe factory right i did and i'm writing this down i think this might be something here. I'm just going to take some notes. That might be another sitcom I could pilot there, but yeah. I said, you know, the stories,

I want them to be stories that could take place. They're stories about people. And, you know, if you see money, it's Canadian money. If they talk about where they are, they talk about Saskatchewan, but it's not what it's about. I always said, you know, Seinfeld isn't about New York. It's that's where it takes place. It's about these people getting bothered by little things. And, you know, that's that's one of the reasons that, you know, we got, you know, fan mail

from Sweden. Guy said it's exactly like his town in Sweden. And we got the guy from New York said this is exactly like my neighborhood in New York City um it's because it's about the people absolutely but in at the same time it is nice uh as a you know a Canadian citizen it is nice to kind of hear that oh yeah you know that is Canadian money and this is a city uh or a town in Saskatchewan like it does feel good that you didn't have to have it set in i don't know uh anchorage alaska or something like that it's funny how it's so like i remember when when i did my movie no clue i wrote and started a movie called no clue takes place in vancouver and when we started shooting that first day of shooting some of the crew said to me so what city is this supposed to be in and

i said it's vancouver and they said yeah but like what's it supposed to be i said no it's it's just vancouver and they're like it is vancouver so yeah you know i talk about abbott street and it's like and they were so excited the crew members were actually telling other crew members they're going hey the vancouver plays vancouver in this they couldn't believe it because it's always Seattle or Portland. And so it just doesn't happen that often historically. But that's changing more and more. I sort of have a theory that Canada is, we are right now, we're a teenager. We're a very young country. And we have for a long time being this little kid who either, you know, looked up to our parents, England and France, or looked up to our big, big, cool, loud cousin,

the US, right. And we always kind of tagged along, piddled along, tried to get their attention, tried to look. And now, you know, we're kind of as a nation, we're, we're like teenagers who are, we're at the point now where we're like, yeah, we don't feel the need to hang out with mom and dad. We don't feel the need to hang out with our older brother. We can do our own thing. And we're just, I feel like we're just coming into our own now. We're the teenagers of the planet. Well, that's great to hear because we're so used to our stars, if it be, I don't know, a Jim Carrey or a Mike Myers or, you know, there's a long list, Dan Aykroyd. Let's keep going down the list.

But they all went to the United States to sort of find their success. Like they couldn't stay here and do it here. And you stayed here and did it here. Yeah. And I mean, there's no question that the, you know, if you're going to take a swing at the fence from a dollar standpoint the idea is to do that in the states but i always i just wanted to do it here i wanted to make my

product here and have it travel around the world that was always my goal it's one of the reasons why it's the it's the only reason my production company is called sparrow media because a sparrow is a bird that doesn't need to fly south that's so every time i see the logo of my company i'm reminded that you don't need to fly south because you had your old production company was prairie pants right well prairie pants is the single purpose entity that does Corner Gas. Gotcha. But Sparrow is one of the owners of Prairie Pants. So it's one of those things where it's like corporate layers of different shows. Each show has a single purpose production entity name, and we chose Prairie Pants for Corner Gas.

Gotcha. No, I always liked Prairie Pants because it reminded me. Letterman's got worldwide pants, and I just like the idea of Prairie Pants. Well, that's kind of why we did it was, um, uh, Letterman always contended that pants was the funniest word in English language, but I also used to do a bit in my standup act about prairie pants, but how guys, it doesn't matter how much weight they put on, they keep the same way size. They just wear the pants lower and lower and lower until it's just, you know, they're 97% torso and just like tiny short pair of pants in the bottom.

Love it. So it was kind of, my partners said, you know, that's a funny bit and they liked the idea of calling it prairie pants. And I liked that, you know, that dichotomy of Letterman having worldwide pants and we were just prairie pants. I like it, I like it.

All right, if you don't mind, I'm going to go back to Craig Northey. I'm contractually obligated to come back there, but we talked about the Christmas song, which you collaborated with him. And you mentioned that you were, you, you met him through the kids in the hall,

which is really cool. Can con story unto itself here, but like, let me play a little bit, actually. Hold on here. So a jam, like which one?

Okay. There's a couple here. Let me just play a bit of this here. Here we go. I heard every joke. I heard everything you say. You think there's not a lot going on. But look closer, baby, you're so wrong. I roll my eyes back into my happy place. All right, not a lot going on. And, of course, not actually an odd song. So we're not crediting this one to the odds

because Craig Northey collaborated with... Jesse Valenzuela. Right, from the Gin Blossoms. Yeah. And it's a great jam unto itself. It is. It is a fantastic song. And I had always said to Craig, you know, one day if I do a TV show, would you do the theme song for it?

And he was like, yeah, absolutely. You bet. I'm sure he thought it was kind of a pipe dream. theme song for it and he was like yeah absolutely you bet i'm sure he thought it was kind of a pipe dream um but anyway when i got this show i called him up and said hey we got i got my show i need i need a theme song and so he um he and jesse valenzuela were working on that song already um not a lot going on they kind of tweaked it and converted it so they provided that and they provided another song called um my happy place which in season one of corner gas i'd kind of an it never ended up being a thing that happened regularly but i envisioned where brent would in times of stress or trouble

we would see him retreat mentally into his happy place in the first episode or in the first season he goes there one time and it's just a place where angels feed him hot dogs so anyway craig took that and he that notion he came up with a song called uh my happy place and he submitted both of them and we we really liked both of them and i said well why don't we do both like one's an opening theme one's a closing theme it was good enough for wkrp it's good enough for me i'm glad that was your point of reference because that's my first thought when i think of a cool opening theme that's completely different from the cool closing theme it's a man that's good enough for that that's a high watermark for tv right there that's a fantastic half hour comedy so oh yeah it's good enough for them good enough for me i don't know the same things you don't know i don't know i just don't know And I forget

The same things you forget But you predict It surely hasn't happened yet It's a great big place For nothing but space I hope you're enjoying my conversation with Brent, but we'll get back to more Brent, but in just a moment, quick shout out to all the tremendous Toronto Mike partners who helped fuel the real talk.

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It's a very fancy name. I don't know if he's a fancy guy. It's a great name. I know. Back in the day when... Last name Butt. Seismo Allegra Butt. Right, right.

Back in the day when shooting corner gas in Rolo. Did I get that right? Rolo? They just say Rolo. They anglicize everything in Saskatchewan. I understand. Okay. I could do that.

There's a town called... When you look at it, written down as Bienfait, but it's Beanfait in Saskatchewan. Going down to Bean Fay. Right. Okay. Rolo. That's much easier.

Rolo. Is there a memorable freaking hot day that you can tell us about? Because when I visited the gas station, it was 35 degrees Celsius in July. Yeah, there were plenty, plenty of hot days. We made sure, I mean, it was, it was a necessity. We had a huge AC unit strapped onto the back of

the uh the building the set where corner gas and the ruby was because yeah and even as it was so imagine a 35 degree day but also you have giant spotlights inside this little room on top of that and so you know your pores would be the size of nickels if you didn't have the uh ac on so even as it was so we would crank the ac as much as we could in between takes shut it down do the take and maybe the scene would be a minute long minute and a half long you were already starting to sweat again by the end of that minute so and then people the makeup people come in and powder you up yeah there was a lot of the days were brutally brutally hot paul hawkyard had a question but it's more of a general question i'm curious as to what the answer will be he says besides your

own creations brent uh what's your favorite sitcom of all time probably and it's you know it's tough to pick one if you really held my feet to the fire and said pick one i would probably say the dick van dyke show oh but both new heart both of bob new hearts um like his big one in the 70s and big one in the 80s i hold those in very high regard the honeymooners uh i love lucy how it changed everything cheers is fantastic for you know especially for somebody who loves dialogue driven comedy like i do cheers is great just sitting around the stool cracking wise right so there's but if i had to pick that one you know it would probably be the dick van dyke show here's a question from yours truly here uh did you meet your wife on the corner gas set or were

you a couple before corner gas uh started no met do it we met doing corner gas um i mean well that's not i mean as far as met i had met her before i knew who she was but we didn't hang out or anything i knew her as she she was one of the top improvisational comics in the country. She played in the Vancouver Theater Sports. She's an improv master. She's literally one of the best ever. Like, I'm not saying that. So when we were casting Corner Gas, the role of Wanda,

I had initially written somebody older who and the idea that wanda used to work for my dad they were kind of more contemporaries and then now i had uh i kept her on and anyway we couldn't find anybody who was really kind of nailing it and then um the casting our casting agent out here in vancouver said would you consider uh looking at people younger to play wanda and i said yeah i would be open to that there's no reason she has to be of a certain age and she said because you know who i think would be really funny in this part is nancy robertson they said yeah she's really funny let's see if she'll audition for it so she came in and read for it nailed it everybody loved her read right away she was everybody's so boom that was done right well she's fantastic so if you when you see her uh

after this just tell her toronto mike thinks she's amazing so i will i'll pass that along but yeah we we one of the first things we we bonded over we both liked old movies and so we would watch and talk about old movies and that was kind of how we first bonded. Great. Now, do you know where your six Gemini Awards are right now? Like if I said you had to produce them for me, could you do that? Yeah, I'm a big believer in displaying and looking at any achievements you have. So I have an office here in my house.

Like this is my game room studio that I'm in where I do a lot of AV production work. But a lot of my administration and writing, I have an office in my house like this is my game room studio that i'm in where i do a lot of av production work but a lot of my administration and writing i have an office in my house and um they're all on a shelf up there all the canadian screen awards gemini awards uh international emmy nomination good for you awesome all this stuff and i can see it every day and you alluded you i don't know uh if you you earn hardware, you might as well appreciate it. But I also find it very inspiring too. When I, so when it's, it's on the back wall,

when I walk into my office, it's the first thing I see is these awards and it's kind of, it fires you up a little bit. Yeah. I can imagine. Cause you want to win more. Well, it just kind of makes you,

you know what it is? Like, I think we all have a certain kind of insecurity. And I think people in the performing arts certainly have a certain kind of insecurity. And there's something about going in to sit down and write something that can be a little daunting. And then you go in, you first step in your office, you see I have posters of my work and the hardware up there. and it kind of makes me go

yeah i can do this damn it awesome uh cambrio has a question for you uh he wants cambrio asks how many bunny hugs do you own uh i got like probably nine a lot of the country isn't going to know what we're talking about what's a bunny hug how's that for a follow-up the rest of the country isn't going to know what we're talking about. What's a bunny hug? How's that for a follow-up question? The rest of the world seems to know it as a hoodie. But in Saskatchewan, Saskatchewan's the only place where you'd ever hear somebody say, I got Vico on my hoodie. I got a couple of clients. I think you're familiar with both of them, I think.

But Larry Fedorek and Howard Glassman are a couple of my clients of mine that uh are from saskatchewan so i'm going to ask them about the bunny hugs yeah sure i'll tell you right away what a bunny uh why has this a good question because you're on toronto mic right now a podcast but a question from cambrio is why has the butt pod been on such a long hiatus what's going on there brent um well is generally speaking it's because i've been super busy but also i have a hard time uh scheduling guests um so what happened was so i was doing this podcast called the butt pod where i talked to the comedians about comedy and not just comedians, but mostly comedians, but I'll also talk to actors and musicians.

Craig Norley's been a guest, that kind of thing. But it became increasingly more difficult for me to, comics are on the road. I travel on the road, plus I'm in production. It became difficult to schedule interviews where somebody would sit down with me in person here in my game room studio. And I'd started a YouTube channel to be complimentary to the podcast.

And what I found was that I could do, I could be much more productive on the YouTube channel because I can shoot stuff myself. If I'm on the road with my camera, I just shoot things. And I don't need to schedule. If I have an idea, I can just stuff myself. If I'm on the road with my camera, I just shoot things. And I don't need to skit. If I have an idea, I can just do it quick. And so, but I really miss like what we're doing here, sitting down, talking long form.

I really like doing that. And so I've made kind of a vow that I'm going to, starting in 2021, starting in January, I'm going to start doing at least one episode a month of the butt pod. Well, that'm going to start doing at least one episode a month of the butt pod. Well, that's good to hear. Rising tide, lifting all the boats and such. Let's get some fresh butt pod content out there.

Very cool. Yeah. I mean, it's got the name right there. It's a marketer's dream. Butt pod, yeah. And you can get like a proctologist to sponsor it. There's so many options here. You could probably get actual butt pods.

I'm sure there's somebody that makes butt pods that would be happy to, I don't know what that would entail. I thought you were saying butt plugs for a minute there. I'm like, yeah, I think they're out there.

What do I know about that? You'll hear what you want to hear. Do you call it a washroom, bathroom, or biffy? All of those, whatever, and more. There's plenty more. Is biffy, bathroom, or biffy? All of those. Whatever, and more. There's plenty more. Is biffy, though, is that another Saskatchewan thing, biffy?

I don't know. I certainly heard that a lot growing up, but I don't know if it's, I didn't think of it as something that was strictly Saskatchewan. I've never heard it. I've never heard biffy. I've heard washroom and bathroom. I've never heard biffy.

Biffy, yeah. My mother said it a lot. How many Hawkins Cheezies have you eaten in this past year? Oh, man, alive. What are we going by? Gross weight? Yeah. It would be a lot. It's my favorite snack. It's cornmeal-based, so I look at it like it's probably healthy. That's a vegetable. First ingredient is cornmeal. If you don look at it like it's probably good. It's probably healthy. That's a vegetable. First ingredient is cornmeal.

If you don't read beyond that, we're fine. It's like when you put my rider, I, when I do live shows, uh, Hawkins cheeses and rye whiskey are the two things in my rider. Uh, I always joke like,

uh, cause I, I like my snacks too, but I always think popcorn goes in the vegetable category. Like when you're planning your meals and stuff, because it's popcorn. It's corn. It's fibrous, right? Right.

So I'm sticking with that. Hey, I got a question about this Royal Command Performance Gala that featured Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip. That was held in Saskatoon. Did you have a conversation with the queen when you're there performing? I wouldn't say conversation, but we spoke. We shook hands and spoke. Also, I've heard it said, and I've seen it written as a command performance for the queen, but it's not a command performance

for the queen. It wasn't that. The command performance is when the royal family asks for you to perform for them right that's what it came and this is not what that was this was in 2005 the 100th anniversary of saskatchewan being a province we had a big uh to do as i like to say a big to do-erment and um you know it was held in a hockey arena 13 000 people and i was the mc and it was a bunch of saskatchewan uh born performers leslie nielsen was there joni mitchell was there you know like oh and dancers and everything and anyway i was the mc of the thing and as it turned out uh the queen and prince philip were going to be in attendance so they had no they weren't commanding me to be there they were like we're coming whoever's there

will be fine we want the man from corner gas so we've been the large head um but cool i mean i did you get they came on stage afterwards and got we got to meet them and shake shake their hands but did you get a briefing because i mean i watched the crown that's how that's the expertise i have in this there's a protocol so did somebody brief? Like don't ever touch her until she reaches out first? Like, did you get like rules given to you? Yeah, they give you a little printout and somebody talks to you. They gather this group and say,

here's kind of the protocol that you need to know. But, you know, it's, it's, it reminded me of, I had this when I was, when I was a kid, one of my brothers is 10 years older than me. I have another brother who's more older, more old than that. I like, I'm the youngest of seven kids. So anyway, but when I was maybe seven years old or something like this, I had an argument with my brother who would have been like 17 at the time. And I had said, I don't think I would ever want to meet the queen because if she doesn't like it, she can chop your head off. Right.

Judging by the fairy tales and what another stories that I'd read, seems like this is a dangerous proposition to meet the queen. Cause if they don't like it, she can chop your head off. And my brother said very impatiently with my, she can't chop your head off. I said, yeah, yeah no it's all it's in all the stories read up on this and he said no and so we had this argument back and forth and he the argument ended with him saying well don't worry about it you're never going to meet the queen and that that argument came rushing back to my head as i was meeting the queen on

the stage that's great yeah yeah you never know you never know where life will take you right there you are meeting the queen so and she never even has hinted that my head might come off not even she never had me worried for a moment about that well you live to tell the tale now now uh i need to know brent why did corner gas come to an end after six seasons like there was more gas in that tank no pun intended here is that your decision to just go do something else or tell me why it ended? Yeah, it was, I just kind of felt like it was time. And I also, I didn't want it to overstay its welcome. I didn't want it to be, I didn't want to watch it wither and die on the vine.

It had been, you know, it was too important to me and it was, you know, too important to a lot of people for, I felt that I was the, you know, the custodian of the show and it was, it was on me. And the network had said to me, um, you know, it's your call, you decide. And so, you know, we had that discussion around season four and as we were ending season five i thought i've said this before i said i felt like the show tapped me on the shoulder and said it's time to start wrapping this up and so i called a meeting and i said season six will be our last and but a part of that also is yeah as creative people you want to create you want to do other things and for me doing corner gas was um you know i would get picked up at five in the morning and i would be brought home at midnight and i would sleep for

three hours and i would do it all again and it was uh you know the the great blessing of my life but it was also um you get crushed under the weight of doing the show it it's like people don't understand the the you know it's just it's just a machine that has to keep being fed and i was you know i'm on set for 12 hours a day and then i have to write and edit on either side of that so it was a it was just a non-stop machine for the months that we were in production and at a certain point it kills you but clearly there was more gas in the tank because not only are you still doing the animated special but you did the uh of course corner gas the movie so did you always think there was a movie in you

like six seasons in a movie like you see on community yeah kind of that was the idea was that we we thought when when we pulled the plug on it, the idea was, wouldn't it be great if we could come back in a few years and do a movie? And the network was interested in that. So we did it. We wrote a movie. It was difficult to write a movie. We took our time, got the script right right but when we felt that we had an actual movie here we went and we made it and for me that was going to be the cherry on top that was going to be the final thing the the last hurrah of corner gas was going to be this theatrical feature film the problem was it's not really a problem the issue is that it um was so highly attended it was so it was the most watched thing that it was so highly attended. It was the most watched thing.

It was like 7 million Canadians or something saw a Corner Gas the movie. It was physically selling out theaters. I remember my brother calling me from Calgary saying, I can't get into your stupid movie. Like I'm supposed to be upset by that. Oh, no. So it was actually doing so well that Cineplex called the network and said, can we have this in theater for another week because it was doing so well that Cineplex called the network and said, can we have this in theater for another week?

Because it was doing so well. So that, that the response to the movie made the network call us up and say, listen, there's clearly still an appetite for these people in this little town. Would you want to do more episodes? But, you know,

it just didn't feel right to me to go back and do more of the same. And, you know, Janet's health wasn't great. And, you know, it just didn't feel right to me to go back and do more of the same. Right. And, you know, Janet's health wasn't great. And, you know, I was going bald. And it was all he said, you know, remember when they went back to Gilligan's Island and Gilligan had white hair? It was traumatic. Yes. It looked terrible.

So I didn't want to do that to anybody. But at the same time, you like to have a gig. Yeah, I enjoy being employed. So I said, well, what could we do differently? And I'm a big, I have a history in cartooning and illustrating. And so the notion of animating came up pretty quickly. And I was in a fortunate position that one of the guys who wrote on Corner Gas, his name was Norm Hiscock, who actually wrote on Kids in the Hall too.

And he wrote on Saturday Night Live. Yeah, the name's familiar to me for sure. Brooklyn Nine-Nine. He's a great comedy writer he's from montreal originally and um anyway norm hiscock wrote on corner gas and he also had written on king of the hill he was one of the writers on king of the hill so here's a guy who understood our show and our sensibility and he understood prime time adult animation so i was able to go up to him and say listen norm we're thinking about doing an animated version of Corner Gas. What would we do differently? How would we write? He stopped me. He said, don't do anything differently. This is the perfect show

to animate. Just write more scripts. This will be great. And so that kind of encouraged and emboldened us. And we, you know, the first thing we did was I said, let's make a three minute demo because I didn't want to do this if it didn't feel right. And the only way to see if it felt right was to do a short version of it. And, you know, much like, uh, the aforementioned Simpsons, we were referred to earlier in this podcast episode. Uh, you can go, you can go long with an animated, that's the glory, you know, you can, you can, how many, it's 31 years. I think the Simpsons has been on. So there's a lot of upside to it. I've told people that I'm drawing the line at 40 years. If this goes 40 years, I'm pulling the plug.

That's it. Good night, nurse. Now I'm going to pick up something you dropped there because I want to spend a moment, if you don't mind, talking about Janet Wright. Because, of course, the cast has reunited in animated form, but Janet's no longer with us. What was it like working all those years of janet and uh i can only imagine how shocking that news was that she had passed yeah well like well i mean i'll answer the first part of it first it was working with janet was

uh i mean it was just a blast she she was like no other person that i'd ever met she was uh you know that classic kind of soft hard ass you know like she was a real like she was a tough broad you know like somebody you don't want to cross and she didn't suffer fools gladly but she could also be very silly and fun. And, um, and she had a tremendous, uh, respect for the business, you know, acting and writing and directing and all that kind of stuff. She, she lived and breathed it and understood it at a very, very deep level. So for me, somebody coming into, I'd never done a series before, you know, all the TV production I'd done was one-off stuff. And so to surround yourself with people who knew what was going on and, you know, veterans like her and Eric, um, I mean, it was invaluable to me, but beyond that, she and I just had a lot of laughs. We had really, like the scenes where it was, where Brent and his mom, Emma, when it was just the two of us in those scenes,

like we really cherished those. And we had a running gag where I tried to always make them eating scenes because she and I were both trying to watch our weight all the time throughout the show. So I felt like if our characters were eating, then we had no choice. We just had to do it. So it was always like craft our characters were eating, then we had no choice. We just had to do it.

So it was always like craft dinner and hot dogs, you know, and stuff that we weren't allowed to eat in real life. But yeah, we just made each other laugh a lot. And then, I mean, she is in the movie, of course. So she's in the movie, Corner Gas, the movie. But then I guess a couple of years later,

she passes away yeah i mean you can tell that her health isn't great in the movie you know she she was a long time very committed smoker um and that caused some problems and um you know it just kind of just in the end it just kind of caught up to her so you can see in the movie like we we wrote in where she's like on this scooter and that's partly because she had some mobility issues and things like that um so her health wasn't great and so she was kind of the heartbreaking thing too is she was very excited about this notion of doing an animated show because she could participate still without having the physical rigor you know right but sadly she didn't um she passed away

just after the idea came out but so then her husband bruce actually because i wasn't sure whether we should continue with the emma character i mean i i debated whether we should continue with the Emma character. I mean, I debated whether we should continue at all. I talked to her husband, Bruce. So, you know, what do you think Janet would want? And he said, absolutely. Janet would want the Emma character to live on. He said, there's no question that that's what Janet would want. She loved Emma very much and she would want Emma to keep going and continue to be part of the group. And then beyond that, he said, you know, who, who you should consider reading for the part is a good friend of Janet's named Corinne Koslow, who, um, uh, they're, they're good theater friends. Uh, and she has a similar timber to her voice that Janet had. And so we did, we auditioned

Corinne. She, I wrote a couple of scenes specifically for her to read Janet had and so we did we auditioned Corrine she I wrote a couple scenes specifically for her to read with Eric and they they worked great together and she understood the Emma character because she had watched and like I said she was friends with Janet and so she was able to step in so it's kind of this it's kind of a cathartic bomb in a way that the person now playing Emma is Janet's good friend who was recommended by her husband absolutely and you mentioned eric uh who eric's still with us i don't want to confuse anybody i was watching so this is last night i have a i have a four-year-old and a six-year-old and i introduced them to the the uh do you remember franklin the uh the turtle character the cartoon okay yeah i do there's a great christmas special it's really good it's on youtube true i think treehouse is sharing it on youtube so you can stream it anytime

uh for free and uh eric plays the the grandpa turtle in this movie like eric's in this he's all over the place so i was just last night i was hearing his voice and i was thinking oh i'm talking he's one of those guys that's like he really is everywhere in tv shows and movies and his voice and yeah but i mean he's he should be he's very talented right and again one of those people that's absolutely committed to the craft and understands it and lives and breathes it um that's why it was funny to have him and janet play my parents because unbeknownst to us they had a history they they knew each other from the theater days. I think they met when they were 18 or 19.

Wow. So they actually went, you know, they could have been my parents. Right. No, great casting, which I mean, that's why it connects with people. Great casting and great writing. But I got a question quickly about the movie

just before we move on. Is that Kevin Wright, I don't think any relation to Janet there, but Kevin wants to know, will there be another Corner Gas movie? And if so, can I support that Kickstarter campaign too? Thanks. There isn't going to be another,

I mean, you know, unless it was like an animated thing, but I don't think we're going to do anything, another live action thing. I think live action Corner Gas is behind us um you know never say never but uh often say highly doubtful you know that old chestnut that's how that old saying goes never say never but often say highly doubtful that you're really covered quoting the magic eight ball with that one yeah so uh but but if we were to do it, I would be grateful for your Kickstarter support. It was a fantastic, you know,

the people helped kick off the movie with the Kickstarter thing. Yeah, I guess a live action, the one problem you'd have to address is that Janet wouldn't look like Janet, well, Janet's character, sorry, wouldn't look like Janet Wright. So I guess animation.

Yeah, and I mean, you know, the old gas station and Ruby set had to come down. They were torn down. So we would have to build a whole other thing. sorry wouldn't look like janet right so i guess uh animation and i mean you know we've the the old gas station and ruby set had to come down they were torn down so we would have to build a whole other thing and it's yeah it's just kind of i understand that i understand that kind of the the want and the sentimentality and it touches on some very nice feelings and emotions but there's a there's a a glaring impracticality to doing more live action stuff and you're in it you're a cartoon now like just you embrace your uh animated self and uh continue forward people are loving the uh animation as well yeah the response has been fantastic like we didn't know how people would respond to this thing

and um but i think that's why doing that three minute demo was important because if it didn't feel right uh i just wasn't going to move forward so without that notion that this felt like more episodes we wouldn't have gone forward so that three minute demo was very important now bren let's remind people uh we said it off the top but so well you know the details better than I do but season 3 of the animated series is now available

for streaming and that includes the holiday special this is the week everybody you know what it's like on December 26 I don't want to hear any more Christmas carols

I don't want to I don't want to watch the raccoons Christmas I watched that one too by the way which is it holds up nicely too it's great

that was a great show I know and it had such a great ecological message like it was ahead of its time way ahead of its time and solid jokes yes no i'm oh yeah and i have you know uh i have a buddy stew stone who actually does a voice on the raccoons which is sort of an added bonus but uh it was yeah tremendous i love that i love me i'm a product of the 80s i know a big fan of the the raccoons and Franklin and all these things. Although Franklin, I think, might be more 90s, but I digress. Where am I going with this again?

Oh, yeah. So tell people again, where can they stream the animated series, Corner Gas, the animated series, and that holiday special? And again, that song that we played off the top that you did with Craig Northey, do you want people to just phone their local radio station and demand it? Is that the plan here, Brent? Hey, that's a good idea. I don't mind that idea. Reach out via social media to your local radio stations or call them up and say,

yeah, play that song. Everyone can sing at Christmas. The song is available wherever you get your digital music, whatever your preferred platform is. It seems to be wherever, Spotify, iTunes, Google Play. I don't know what all the different ones. There's a lot of them. That's true.

Wherever you get your digital music, you can find Everyone Can Sing at Christmas. So yeah, go get it. Make it part of your holiday playlist. The series, Corner Gas Animated, season one, two, and now season three, including the Christmas special, are all available for streaming, binging at your leisure on Crave. So if you get the Crave app, it's an open up a Crave account. Lots of good stuff on Crave.

You know what? I'm a big fan. They got that HBO deal going on. To me, that's everything. They got that HBO deal going on. To me, that's everything. I don't, you know, HBO, that's one of the only like producers where like I'll watch something

just because the HBO logo is on it. Like I'll go in cold. I see an HBO logo, go, let's give this a shot. And more often than not, I'm thoroughly impressed by the quality. Did you watch the new Perry Mason series? No, that's HBO? Okay.

Yeah, it was made by HBO. It's available on Crave. You can get it through Crave, I believe. I'm in, I'm in. Yeah. Brent, it was made by HBO. It's available on Crave. You can get it through Crave, I believe. I'm in, I'm in. Yeah. Brent, thanks so much, man. I know I took an hour of your life here, but I thoroughly enjoyed it,

and I hope you got something out of it as well. Thanks for doing this, man. Oh, it's my pleasure. I enjoyed talking to you. I enjoy these long-form chats, and you're a pleasant, personable young fellow. Oh, a young fellow. I'm probably only this much younger than you. I enjoy these long-form chats, and you're a pleasant, personable young fellow. Oh, a young fellow. I'm probably only this much younger

than you. I just have more hair. That's the only difference, I think. Sure, throw that in my face. That's a nice parting shot as we leave. And we had such a good experience. But I will leave you with this. If you ever wanted to return to Toronto Mic'd and kick out the jams with me, it would be a pleasure. And just in a nutshell,

it's like a sequel to this. This is our deep dive A to Z. Although I didn't ask you the merchandising question. I should probably slip it in right now. There's a lot of corner gas merchandising out there. Like how does, how did that do for you? Like merchandising the characters and the everything.

Yeah. Over the years, it's, you know, the response was great. People are always asking for stuff. I remember the first, it was season two, I think. And I had gone to Toronto for some press publicity thing. And I was in a cab. We had driven from the airport downtown. And I saw a guy walking in on young street, actually wearing my corner gas work shirt.

Oh, wow. That was, that was really what I was like, man, we're onto something here. Very cool. This is really, but yeah, people can go to corner gas.com or, uh, there's a Shopify site for corner gas. Cool. Um, and there there's, yeah, there's actually some holiday merch available too. Okay. People do that.

And I'll just to wrap up that, uh, wrap it up like a Christmas gift to wrap up that, uh, that kick out the jam sentiment really quick. Cause I was chatting with Steve Paken about it this morning. Cause he's Wrap up that kick out the jam sentiment really quick because I was chatting with Steve Paikin about it this morning because he's up next to kick out the jams. Basically, you tell me ahead of time these are my 10 favorite songs of all time. We meet on Zoom like this and we play them. I play them a bit, then

I fade it down and then you tell us, tell the world, like what does that song mean to you? Why did you choose it? Oh, this is a song when I was a teenager. I would hear it when I was delivering newspapers, whatever. i got a tremendous story about the song dance by queen city kids it'll be in that mix when we do that one day. Okay, now you're contractually obligated to do this,

so I'm going to bother you in a few months and book this. Play me out with Dance by Queen City Kids. All right, I'll put that in pose. Dance by Queen City Kids. I'll do that. Thanks, Brent. This was amazing. You too.

Thanks for having me. Take care. We will win Ooh, yes, she's so good at the motion Ooh, oh, she's like a machine Dance, she got that boo-ah Come on, baby Dance, she got that boo-ah Come on, girl Dance, she got that boo-ah

Ooh, yeah. She's taking the floor. She's gonna shake some more. You know there ain't no girl. She's got to dance. And that brings us to the end of our 775th show. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike.

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