Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Cam Gordon Returns: Toronto Mike'd #369

Episode Date: August 28, 2018

Mike chats with Twitter Canada's Cam Gordon about the recent Molly Johnson and Stu Stone episodes and TMLX2 before they play and discuss his ten favourite songs of all-time.

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Download the app today from paytm.ca. And our newest sponsor, Census Design and Build, providing architectural design, interior design, and turnkey construction services across the GTA. I'm Mike from torontomike.com, and joining me this week is Twitter Canada's very own Cam Gordon. Are you doing sound effects now? You're back from summer vacation.

You're all fired up. Throwing a little sound effects into the mix. I like it. You got to mix it up for season, whatever this is. Oh, and that note. Thank God. Well, that was an unrehearsed segue it was six years ago today that the first episode of toronto mic was recorded are you serious yeah august 28 2012 i'm honored to be here on that anniversary. Happy anniversary. Well, I chose you. Of all my

guests, who do I want on this momentous occasion? Yeah, so I think that's a long time. How long have you been podcasting? Sammy and I have been doing our podcast for about, I think about two years. We actually just recorded the first episode of our fall season that's gonna be coming soon um prior to that i don't know if i ever told you i actually had another podcast i did um called the deaf years podcast i did with my friend ryan patrick who works for cbc books and is also a associate editor at exclaim magazine and he's irish uh no he's a black guy actually strange black irish yeah like Shaquille O'Neal. I suppose.

Yeah. Yeah. So Ryan and I did that for about four years. Yeah. Really sort of ahead of the curve. I think we launched that in like 2009 or so. But yeah, I mean, if you're good with the Google, you might be able to dig up some episodes of that podcast too. I like names like Ryan Patrick.

Like you could flip it and it'd be Patrick Ryan. Like these are two first names that also serve as a surname. Yeah, well, definitely his SEO. It's good to stay a bit anonymous, too. Maybe some people get confused how to find him. Like Robert Smith. Sure. There's a lot of those.

Yes, so six years ago, I'm proud to say that for episode one, which I don't know if I should. Part of me doesn't want to go back and listen because this show has evolved so much since then. And I don't want to. But I think that a lot of those like fundamentals were there. It was me and I think my friend Rosie were just talking about different things. And it was interesting to start because I didn't really know what Toronto Mic'd was. I just pressed record and we just did it. And they were like half hour episodes, no sponsors. And then kind of like to compare that to episode,

for example, episode 368, which we're going to discuss in a moment, which was the last episode and featured Molly Johnson. Of course, the Chanteuse, not the diva, the Chanteuse. Diva, I would argue, never ever would I call Molly a Diva. I think my exact quote was, I got a Diva-like vibe. Correct. Which is a little different.

I wasn't in a position to argue this with her. It's semantics, but yes, I don't think you flat out called her a Diva. I would never. We can check the tapes a bit later. That's right. Luckily, I recorded it all and I didn't edit a stitch, but we're going to get into that.

You're here on the sixth anniversary of the first episode of Toronto Mic'd, but that's a big deal. But you were also here for a round number episode. You were here for episode 350. Yeah, I only show up for milestone episodes.

So we'll see you back for 400. Sure, that sounds good. So let me read the description if people want to go back because that's when we talk that was an interesting episode because it was kind of uh it kind of was a format breaker which i like but because it wasn't so much we did talk about your work at twitter but we also kind of did this interesting thing about uh wait is this uh wait a minute. I don't know why that just popped up.

Hold on. I need to take a photo of this right as soon as we finish recording. Yeah. You can hear the crinkling. This is a bit theater of the mind.

What is Mike crinkling around in his microphone? What did Cam pull out of his briefcase? Cam Gordon has handed me the real deal. This is not from the Rogue Byway, which is in the hood on lake yeah

that this is this is you know what are those you know platinum anniversary is like your 10th anniversary this is your your byway bag and you got a you got a byway bag from mississauga for your sixth anniversary for torontonians of a certain age like us this This is a throwback. I'm so honored that you're going to let me hang this up in the studio. This is a real deal byway bag. Maybe get that to Ed Conroy. Maybe he'd get into the Zoomerplex somewhere. I get it under glass. But you'll see there's actually a receipt in there.

It's from the byway at Square One circa 1990. It must have been my dad. My dad worked in mississauga for about 30 years it looks like he was buying some stuff around the easter season there's a little easter greeting yeah on there great easter yeah i was hoping it could be maybe a little back to school thing because no actually there's two lines here on it says great three lines great easter basket of Savings at Byway. And it was, whatever your father purchased, it was $3.22. It was $2.98 plus tax.

Yeah, different times. I mean, that could have been any number of items back then. And now what can you get for that price? But basically nothing. And it was interesting. I actually found it. I was looking at some baseball cards probably a conversation I was having with Stu so when I went back it was actually

like a log jammed in the one of those like long boxes you keep baseball cards in to just kind of fill up space of the 1990 Donruss set this is what I do on my weekends I go into my parents closet I look at baseball cards a 40 year old man

yeah it's very becoming but yeah anyway you enjoy that go nuts I go into my parents' closet. I look at baseball cards, a 40-year-old man. Yeah, it's very becoming. But yeah, anyway, you enjoy that. Go nuts with it. And that's a little... I know Byway's come up a few times with 1236. Well, okay, I was going to say, the guests that will be most excited to see this in the studio are Ed Conroy from Retro Ontario

and Mark Weisblatt from 1236. I think so. I wonder, it'll be interesting to see if anybody else gets excited at the sight of a byway bag. Well, you know, at least there's four of us who are excited about it. Like, would Stu Stone care about the byway bag or no? Well, I mean, there was a byway on Doncaster Avenue where Stu and some of the crew that I went to high school with, they went to a school called Henderson. God, Mike, now we're getting into it. Doncaster was the street in Thornhill, very close to where Gian Gomeschi and also Hayden lived.

But also Rush had a studio on Doncaster. There's actually lines in Gian Gomeschi's book about this, about Gian Gomeschi and his friend, I think, trying to get into the studio circa like 1981. I think his book was called 1981 or something. You'd think Rush would have their studio here in Etobicoke. Like I always think of Rush in Etobicoke. Yeah. I'm not like a like Rush. I'm not a massive fan.

I'm not exactly sure. Oh, you're kicking out. Let's say quick. You're going to kick out the jams today. Yeah. Most importantly. I should point that out. I used to play a different version of the theme song that started with some MC5.

And then I had a sponsor ask me if I could please stop doing that because it was a summer camp for kids and she didn't want the mofo drop so early. So I stopped doing it out of respect for the sponsor. But that sponsor's on a break because they don't advertise during the summer. I could have played it. I feel bad. I could bring it back. I remember I was just in Cleveland at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and they had a little section about Detroit rock, and I saw a big sign, a big MC5 sign. It said, kick out the jams. I sent you a photo of Mike.

It's funny how now I've taken it. Yes, I know that I've stolen this kick out the jams thing. Now you're right. That is a common thing. People will see it because it's a thing. And then they'll be, hey, they're promoting Torontoonto mike and you know there's they're doing they're playing in toronto this fall something called the mc5 like some of the members i believe are no longer with us but wayne kramer and i think they're touring with i want to say kim thale from soundguard wow

yeah it's almost like an all-star thing and i think maybe i'm probably totally botching this i think maybe mark lanigan from screaming trees and some other people of that era right what did i just hear lan he was on oh crap he appeared on uh foo fighters no what's the what's the oh no no no queens of the stone age okay yes so he was with queens of the stone age for a while, right? Lannigan. Yeah, I think he did some... Like Josh Holme did this year's The Desert Sessions. I don't know if you remember this. Where he'd bring a lot of guest stars.

I know Lannigan was involved in that. And, you know, he'd bring in Dave Grohl. I feel like, though, he might have been on the big album. The one, Songs for the Deaf. That's my go-to album by those guys. That sounds familiar. I think he's on that. That sounds about right.

But I digress. That's a great album, by the way. There's jams on that album that i can't i'd never like i usually get tired of songs after a while but i can still put on songs for the death death and enjoy yeah that that stuff's pretty timeless i mean just good hard rocking stuff never goes out of style and we're gonna hear some good stuff from you but no rush on your uh yeah no rush not but if i if i could put one rush song on it would probably be maybe like fly by night i kind of like those early ones yeah all that kind of limelight limelight right or sub sub actually subdivisions is great also the video right the video is just so iconic as you know a couple of gta kids growing up yeah like that going cruising up and down young

street i think there's some stuff in sam the record man but would you go to like a spirit of radio kids growing up. Yeah, I like that. Going cruising up and down Yonge Street. I think there's some stuff in Sam the Record Man. But would you go to like a Spirit of Radio? Would that do anything for you? I like Spirit of Radio. It's probably not my favorite. Or the Catherine Wheel cover. Do you remember that?

Yeah, actually that kicked some serious ass. Lots of airplay on the old 102.1. Yeah, I like Working Man too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a great sort of blue collar anthem. And the Bob and Doug McKenzie take off.

Yeah. The great white north take off. Well, do you remember they had the song in the 90s, Roll the Bones? Oh, my God. The rap's in there.

And they played that video. I even know the rap, I think. Wait, why does it happen? Because it happens. Roll the Bones. Yeah. And I used to know the skeleton rap.

Like, I used to be able to do it now and now that i'm on the spot i actually don't think i can do it but i'm fucking believable a rapping skeleton circa 1992 in a rush song like but i liked it maybe i was young and stupid sort of the era and they that video was very grungy it was in that sort of burnt out uh warehouse look the lot of videos of that era with a lot of pooled water. It reminded me of the rap that appeared in Michael Jackson's Black or White.

Oh my God, yes. Kind of that same kind of like drop in. Everybody, there was a lot of like what I would call inappropriate rap going on like the late 80s,

early 90s. Like Roddy Dangerfield had a popular rap. Rap and Ronnie. Yeah. Or like even Lou Reed, the original rapper. have you ever seen this look look that up that's a piece of like complete complete and i i love the velvet

underground and a lot of the lou reed solo stuff but that's that's a real piece of work and and also um rem radio song with krs1 yeah yeah yes yes yes and that was a big krs guy uh totally edutainment. Yeah, yeah. Are you kidding me? For sure. All right, hold on. So I was trying to tell people to go back. If they want to hear more Cam Gordon,

which is like this kind of like what that was, which was just frenetic. Like you mentioned Hayden. I need to tell people though, that's not the great musician Hayden. That is the star of the, not everything. No, the second and third one.

No, okay. This gets confusing because both Hayden the musician and third one. No, okay. This gets confusing because both Hayden the musician and Hayden Christensen both from Thornhill. Oh, my God. Hayden went to Thornley. Hayden Christensen

went to Thornhill High School. And he's now starring in like Little Italy, which has like real Italians upset. That's right. I saw him in Danny Aiello on Breakfast Television. I was at the Jays game the other day

and guess who threw out the first pitch? Hayden. Hayden Christensen. I was hoping it was Hayden Desser. I wish. How old is Danny Aiello now? Do you know? Because he was old in Do the Right Thing, which was 89. Oh, God. He's got to be in his 70s. No. I say higher.

Higher? I wish I had a device that would tell me. Was he in Frank D'Angelo movies? That seems like... I don't know. Maybe think of James Caan. No, I think you're thinking of Paul Cervino. Paul Cervino, yes. I think you're right.

Who's definitely done the... And there's a new one coming out, which has Andy Frost in it. It's about the last save, I think it's called. Oh, it's like a hockey thing. It's a hockey thing. I've seen the poster for it. Yes.

And if you look at the rows of stars, like the final row has like some sports media people, including Andy Frost. So I can confirm for the Toronto Mike listeners, Andy Frost will appear in the new Frank D'Angelo movie.

That's fantastic. I can't wait. Former Toronto Mike, finally. That's the closest I've got to Frankie D. Hey, episode 350 is where you go to hear more Cam. And I've got to Frankie D Hey Episode 350 Is where you go To hear more Cam And I'm going to

Read the description And then we're going To talk about Molly Johnson Which I really Want to talk about Mike and Twitter Canada's Cam Gordon

Take a frenetic romp Through the fields Of Toronto pop culture See I wrote that line I think that was A great line I wrote I think that's a good I might use that in my bio

how I do speaking opportunities. Just credit me in the bottom. Of course. This episode, that was two... Oh my God, my friend. That was two hours and 37 minutes and we didn't even kick out any jams. That was an incredible grind,

but it was a lot of fun running through all that stuff. I was... Had things gone better with Molly, I had a whole bunch of Molly Johnson songs I was going to like play and talk about. When you had her on. Yeah, when she was on.

Yeah, that was a great episode and credit to you, Mike. I thought you handled that really well and she definitely, as you say it in your intro, she really did come around and I think you really salvaged that and I think, you know,

I think at the end you discovered maybe you're not that different after all, and Molly Johnson I don't know like that's how you tie up it was quite the hour here I'll say this that hour started because before I pressed record I can't tell you I mean you can hear to my voice at the beginning of the episode and my brother Steve told me a couple days ago that he had trouble listening to that opening because he he knows me very well and that voice I had at the beginning is my nervous voice. Like it gets higher and it gets shallower. Like I can't get a full breath or something.

And I listen back and I hear it too. And it's tough for me to listen to. So the very first part of the Molly Johnson episode, and the reason I'm so throwing off and nervous is because the stink eye I'm getting, like this look I'm getting and the reaction to everything I say was basically, it felt like, oh, this woman hates my guts and I don't even know why. So that's unlike anything you've experienced here.

Nothing, nothing. Is there anything close, really? I mean, everyone seems quite jovial when you get down here. No, I don't think Damien Cox liked me asking him about a tweet he sent. Do you know the tweet I'm talking about? Yeah, yes. I'm quite familiar with that one.

That actually turned into a fan, that very quickly turned around into a fantastic episode, but he did not like me asking about that. But I was, I mean, I felt like I had to ask about it because it's been, it was out there and we needed to talk about it. Of course, it's still out there. You know, I think it celebrates anniversaries and stuff at this point. Much like your podcast.

So Molly Johnson right here. Let's hear a bit of her before we talk. Very good singer. Is this Streets of Philadelphia? Yes, sir. Wow. I was going to say, is this Man in the Mirror for a second? But yeah, this was Goatee or Bruce Springsteen.

Did I ever tell you I like Soundtrack Bruce? Like that's my Bruce. I like Soundtrack Bruce. Okay, so he's got this. What are his other songs? Dead Man Walkin'. Okay. I love Dead Man Walkin'.

It might be my favorite Bruce. And was it Ghost of Tom Jones? Was that a soundtrack song? He's got the garden. Something about the garden that you hear is like, you know, the trailers for romantic comedies. But this song here, I was going to play it in chat, but she covered Streets of Philadelphia and she did a great job. Like, I love this rendition. It's kind of funny.

It's like, it's a very specific song of a time and place and just like a lot of people, you know, great movie, but a lot of people going back and revisiting the movie Philadelphia. When is this song from? When did you do this? I do not know, but I would have asked her about that. Topic went elsewhere. Yeah. You know, there's so have asked her about that. Topic went elsewhere. Yeah, you know, there were so many things I left. That's the other thing. I did a lot of homework and I was really excited to meet

Molly and have a nice chat. I was looking forward to the oral history of Altamoda. I was hoping you'd deep dive into that. But I didn't quite get there. I did. I started playing. I had notes about Altamoda for sure. And before we got to the infidels, I was going to get there. I did. I started playing. I had notes about Altamoda for sure. And before we got to the infidels, I was going to talk about Altamoda.

But I was playing the Altamoda song that I used to see on much music. Julian? Right. Julian. Yeah. And it went south. It all went south so quickly. Do you want to share a fun fact about the Altamoda name? Well, when we were DMing about this, the thing I always think about, you know, on the rare occasion I'm thinking about Altamoda in 2018.

There was Altamoda, the band with Molly Johnson from Toronto. And then there was Aldo Nova, the guitarist from Montreal who a few years prior had the quite a big hit fantasy and a video with a guitar that spat out lasers. And you saw right before we, we put the mics live here. I was on my phone and trying to figure out, I jotted it down cause I didn't want to fuck this up. Yeah.

I don't know if in history there's ever been two names that are more similar. And also, God, I can't even... I'm looking at this and I can't figure this out. Aldo Nova was a guy. Altamoda was the band with Molly Johnson that sang Julian and other things. Kind of a jangly... It's like having two rough riders in the same eight-team league. Yeah, it makes my brain explode.

One of those things. That's great. So to deconstruct further the Molly episode, I did skip the... So she told me about time constraints and she's like, I got a... Like her phone was going off because I guess the National, I saw her on the National that night.

So she definitely had all the media wanted to talk to her about Aretha Franklin. Sure. So yeah, the phone's going off. She doesn't have much time. She's basically barking at me to hurry. And I said, well, how much time do you have? That was my question.

I looked her in the eyes and I said, Molly, how much time do you have? Fair question, right? She says, I don't know. How much time do you need? And I said something like, I would be grateful if I could get an hour. And she says, I'm early.

Let's go. Let's go. Let's start. Let's go. Kind of like this kind of a barking thing or whatever. I'm super nervous. I skip the opening live because I didn't want to waste all this time on that kind of stuff. I open with the Aretha. Right away, I could

see by her eyes. Of course, she verbalized it. It's all in the recording. She did not want to talk about Aretha, which I completely respect. I think I respect it.'ll move on no aretha talk but then i thought okay i need to like i need to have a friendly light chat now before we deep dive so to get her comfy and get the rapport going because i had no rapport at all with molly and i usually have a rapport with my guests so i thought okay let's talk about my favorite show of all time because her brother

is a key cast member of season five. I guess my mistake was saying to her that her brother was in The Wire, but let's listen very briefly to this Wire exchange. Let's check the tapes on this. I would be amiss if I didn't

mention the fact that your brother is in my favorite show of all time. In fact, there's a DVD set in front of you there that's from The Wire. I love The Wire, and your brother was in The Wire. My brother was not only in The Wire, he created The Wire. He was the first director on The Wire. So, yeah, he did a little bit of acting in The Wire. He was the first director on The Wire. So, yeah, he did a little bit of acting in The Wire. But the reality and the real story there is that he actually directed The Wire. Well, I want the real story here.

So, obviously, we know him on the screen. There it is. He's Gus, season five. Well, read the liner notes that you got apparently right here in this box. Maybe you should read the liner notes. I'm sure his name's in there somewhere. I'll point out that box was not there for Molly. It's actually been here

forever. I know you've referred to this box and I have my hand on your wire box. Can you hit it like Molly did? You can hear it in the tape. A little knock. Oh, by the way, at some point, you'll want to put on your headphones. Oh, of course. Yeah. Did you hear that clip?

Oh, yeah. No, I heard. I i heard the tom wait song in the background okay okay i just i only now only one guest has ever not worn the headphones the aforementioned damien cox but only on his first appearance because when i kick out the jams you can't hear the jams unless you have the headphones on no that that's a good point but yeah no i could hear everything and i obviously heard the episode so there okay first of all to clarify of course uh her brother did direct uh four episodes of the No, that's a good point. But yeah, I could hear everything. And I obviously heard the episode. So there, okay. First of all, to clarify, of course, her brother did direct four episodes of The Wire, including the pilot.

That is a fact. Clark Johnson is a very important part of The Wire lore. I have a lot of respect for Clark. He's a great actor too. But that whole, when she slammed her hand against The Wire thing and told me to read the liner notes, I can't tell you how deflated I felt like that was like a daggers in my heart yeah and and it's sort of semantics but do dvds have liner notes i think liner notes for cds i mean i don't

want to you know go down a different path here um but yeah he was awesome gus and that whole uh angle with the newspaper obviously yeah being a media and a PR guy. I love any stories about, you know, kind of the challenges in the media and did a great. I think he wore his, he would take off his glasses a lot. Am I imagining that? No, I think you're absolutely right. Sort of like when Walter Cronkite announced that John F. Kennedy was dead and he took off the glasses. Absolutely.

It shows that, you know, it's taking a turn. Time to get serious. When Hebsey, here's a fun fact when hebsey and i record his uh podcast hebsey on sports which is twice a week our he will take off his glasses when he's taking a video clip that he wants to use for other purposes later so our code is that when his glasses come off i shut up so there's usually i can we go back and forth but when the glasses are off it's like monologue like a non-verbal cue to you. By the way, can I just say that Mark Hebbshire looks amazing?

Like he looks no different than what I remember him as a kid. Very good genetics on Mark Hebbshire. Yeah, he's fit, right? No punch. Like some guys that age have... Just his face, his hair looks all the same. You're right. Does he still have the earring? No, I joke about that all the time.

The earring is no longer there. No earring. He should bring it back. But you're right. Does he still have the earring? No, I joke about that all the time. The earring is no longer there. No earring. He should bring it back. But you're right. And I don't actually know his age, but I have to guess based on how long he's been around that he's in his 60s. Yeah, that sounds about right.

He must have been, I guess, very young when he started up Sportsline and stuff. He's the man. I love him. Yeah, he's fit. He's a tall guy too. I don't know if you can pick that on the TV, but you're a tall guy too. You guys are tall guys. Yeah, he's fit. He's a tall guy, too. I don't know if you can pick that on the TV, but you're a tall guy, too.

You guys are tall guys. Yeah. Just to make me feel really short when I'm around you guys. But yeah, no, just to divert from Molly for a moment so we can catch our breath here. Hebsey is in great shape.

He's got all his hair. You're right. But he does wear glasses. That's the only sign he's aging. And when they come off, I shut up. He means business. That means he's he's

gonna he wants to use that monologue clip for some kind of a youtube video okay well it's a tell as they say in the gambling sphere that's right that's right that's right so the molly the wire answer to the molly wire moment and that's basically when i was like can i at that moment after that i'm thinking do i even bother to try and save this like do i just kindly say i'm sorry but i don't think you're you you want to do this and maybe i'll let you here's a question for you while this was all going down and you're thinking you know is this going off the rails were you also thinking this is my billy bob thornton John Gomeshi moment, my Jim Rome, Jim Everett moment.

I'm trying to think like other interviews that have gone off the rails. I've got a lot of notes, like a lot of emails and stuff saying this is your Gomeshi, Billy Bob Thornton incident.

I never know. While it was going down, I'm like, I was in like damage control. I was so like trying to salvage it. I was more worried about like creating

some kind of, something that would be palatable for the listeners, like trying to save this. I know she wanted to promote her festival, which hasn't even happened yet. So go support Molly Johnson and go to the Kensington Jazz. Yeah, I've actually I've actually been to it before. It's great. I mean, it's just any excuse to go to Kensington is great. Absolutely.

So I know I wanted to like I was just trying to think of how do I save this? I was like so on. And that recording, I didn't even edit out any blank spaces or whatever. It was exactly as it unfolded. So it was kind of interesting to record that hour in history because it starts with that Aretha mess. And then it, course has the, the wire thing happens right away after. And in my mind, I'm thinking a mile a minute, you know,

using all those skills I learned as a, as a gifted student, uh, how to, how to problem solve quickly in real time or whatever. And I'm thinking, how do I save this? And it was all I was thinking about is how to save it. And I will say there is in Mark Weisblatt from 1236 pointed this out, but there's actually a lot of what I would call great real talk in this episode. Like, if she was just a little nicer and willing to play, I think this could have been a great, like a fantastic episode in terms of the real talk. Here's a bit of like what I would say is good stuff that I love from these kind of deep dives. People think when they see a musician like yourself all over MuchMusic, for example, which is a national station or on the

radio, we assume that, you know, you drive around and you're Bentley or whatever and then you got your mansion or whatever. I think there's an assumption that if you're on TV and you're a popular singer that you're Richard Davis. That's America. That's not Canada, my friend. That's America. If you see an artist on TV in

America singing a song they wrote, they're getting an evently. I, sir, do not have a driver's license. I mean... Just so you know. Just so you see. This is all about real talk. So we're understanding. No, we're understanding. And now I gotta

level with you. Yeah. There. Okay, so I gotta level with you. That's the moment when I decided, okay, I can't do abnormal anything, so I need need to like reset yeah i think you called a spade a spade there uh again not to call it semantics i mean i don't see the correlation between a driver's life like driver's license or well i guess you have to pay the nominal i think that was more to say i don't own a car that's what i think because i mean a lot of people who have enough money to own a car don't have a driver's yeah this is actually a great topic and i don't know a car. That's what I think. Because I mean, a lot of people who have enough money to own a car don't have a driver's license. Yeah, this is actually

a great topic. And I don't know if it was you or someone else I was chatting with recently. Like I would love some reporter to do a deep dive

on how much Canadian musicians actually make. This was in the last year. Patrick Pentland from Sloan. I know you've had Chris Murphy

as bandmate on the show. There was one night he did this little tweet storm where he was just talking back and forth with people on Twitter about how much Canadian musicians make, and specifically about his band, Sloan. You know, you think of this band that's been touring pretty steadily for 25 years. So many radio hits in this country.

Yeah, and just really a household name for multiple generations. But he was going out on Twitter and just saying how... I forget exactly what he said. I don't want to try to quote these tweets that are kind of blank in my mind. But if you want to dig that up, it's really quite interesting. Because it's a topic you don't really see very much. How much do Canadian musicians actually make? And you certainly hear bits and pieces over the years.

But it's really incredibly nebulous. Funny that Patrick did that because after I recorded with Chris Murphy, we're done recording. We had a long one-on-one chat after the recording in which he broke down with specific dollars exactly how much he makes from his musicianship. And he said, this is what we get every year from SoCan.

This is what the Sloan, there's a Sloan account, I guess, that the members draw from a salary, essentially. This is what gets drawn from the Sloan account every year. And basically this, so at the end of the day, and I won't use real numbers because it was off the record, I suppose. But this X, this is the amount I get in this calendar year from being a member of Sloloan and he he points out

you know he's got a child his wife actually i believe at the time his wife was not working and he lives in toronto and all of this added up to uh yeah he's he's he's poor yeah yeah i mean it's i i think unless you're at the level of a Tragically Hip, which arguably there's really only been one band that ever got to that level that were really ostensibly only popular in Canada. The only other band that comes to mind is Blue Rodeo, who's been quite popular for many years. I never really understood why Blue Rodeo wasn't popular in the U.S., by the way. I feel like if they were marketed differently.

I felt the same about Skydiggers. I always felt that sound Skydiggers has. First of of all i think they should be more popular here skydiggers at least blue rodeo is megastars in canada sure but you're right there's a number of bands i've felt that i don't understand why they weren't well the hip is a good example but there's a lot of bands why weren't they bigger in the states but i think blue rodeo you're right because at least blue rodeo can consistently sell out well not that they can sell out massey hall right now but that kind of a venue and uh they can continuously tour bigger venues as opposed to like a sky diggers which might be

still doing well so when you horseshoe tavern yeah you think of bands like wilco and you know whiskey town and sunvolt and any number of these kind of alt country roots bands i think blue rodeo if they were just perhaps marketed differently in the u.s um but it's almost like they were too good like to be like in the mainstream either like and their stuff is just so timeless like i'm not a massive blue rodeo fan but when you go back and listen to try or rose-colored glasses like that's stuff in my opinion is not aged at at all like it's fantastic like it sounds just as fresh as it did in the late 80s and just so many hits.

But you're right. I'm now staring at Maestro's face because he's staring at me now. The 12-inch for Let Your Backbone Slide that he signed for me and I'm thinking of stories from him and I'm thinking of, yeah, all these what I would consider big Canadian artists that I've talked to. I mean, the guy from Rusty was

Bricklayer flew in from Rusty, he was a bricklayer, flew in from Sudbury where he was laying bricks, the lead singer. And right after Rusty broke up, he was telling me, you know, he's a short order cook at a restaurant in Bloor West Village. That's right.

I mean, this is Canada. Imagine the Rusty equivalent in the US and then they break up and he's flipping burgers. Yeah, well, you hear once in a while of well-known bands. I love hearing the story of the well-known musician that then just goes into civilian life. Mark Maron, he just had on his podcast Tanya Donnelly. I don't know if she was the singer for Belly. Oh, yeah.

She was in The Breeders and Throwing Muses. Yeah. They talked a little bit about Bill Jananovitz. I'm going to butcher his name. He was the singer. I don't know if you remember this band, Buffalo Tom. I do remember Buffalo Tom. Yeah, who were like another Boston band. Like an indie kind of a band, right? Yeah. They would appear on these little indie compilations. Totally. Like they were on the This is Ford Apache compilation that you used to get in the

BMV record club and stuff. Talk about liner notes. But anyway, he's a very successful real estate agent now in Boston. And Buffalo Tom, you know, they'll play every once in a while and there's talk of a new album. But his main thing is real estate now and he's done really well. I love hearing those stories. It's interesting.

If you ever want to do something really nerdy on the computer late one night, go on to LinkedIn and just see who you can dig up. Because you find one of these guys and then you'll see also looked at and you'll just see all these names coming out of the past I remember seeing Steve Sachs you remember Steve Sachs of the New York Yankees wasn't he in the famous Simpsons episode talking talking softball I think he was yeah he's famous beyond baseball now yeah he's either like a hedge fund guy or something, doing some stuff in California, but doesn't really allude to his... But that's different because athletes have a time limit.

They have a built-in expiry date on their profession, whereas musicians don't. Yeah, well, certainly Canadian musicians don't. A lot of them are doing double duty. I think we might have talked about it on the last episode, but Stephen Stanley of the Lois Lowe always worked in art departments. double duty i think we might have talked about it on on the last episode but um um stephen stanley of the lowest of low always worked in like art departments i remember yes the art director for strategy magazine i think i mentioned i was doing this photo shoot with lg and he walked in i'm like

what the fuck is he doing here um example i mean there's so many i think one of the guys in the kill joys he's also in the advertising industry uh most famously edwin from my mother earth was tending bar and uh partially owned the bar or was that like tattoo rock parlor was that was called something rock parlor i don't know if that's around anymore um so yeah i mean it is what is a canadian music and so i think in that in that regard uh some of molly's thoughts there were very uh very salient. I actually have like a Molly encounter. Do you want to hear about this?

It's really minor. Do the Molly encounter, please. And then I'm going to play one last clip from the Molly, which is what I think was the apex, if you will. But then I think it got much better after that. So I'll play the clip sort of shortly after I said that I had a diva-like vibe from her. So tell me your Molly story. Yeah, so this is a really short story,

not even that interesting. And I won't say what part of the city this is. Way to set up a story. Yeah. I'm going to start low and then just kind of tail off. So I was playing road hockey in a back alley of Toronto probably about 10 years ago. And there was a bunch of us, a bunch of guys and girls

playing and we're having a few beers. I have a great time as the evening. And I just heard this voice behind us. I look around and who should be there? It's Molly Johnson. And I kind of looked. I'm like, what is she doing here? And I forget what she said.

She was just kind of saying hi to my friend who's her neighbor. And then she went back inside. Okay. It's a crazy story. Like it's wild. We went inside. Was it a modest looking? Was it an apartment uh it was a

house a house it was a house a house in a very desirable neighborhood now mind you this was this actually might have been like 15 years ago so this is going back a few years um so this is not quite uh altamoda maybe this was around the time she was recording streets of philadelphia i don't know certainly well before the infid Yeah, definitely. But this was like early... Your 100-watt bulb was... She probably had that just playing on loop in her house. I don't know. This was like early 2000s.

So here's the minute. So, okay. So you kind of heard the beginnings there where I said, can I level with you? And then I needed to level with her because I needed to get myself back. Like that was almost for myself. Like I needed...

Like, I mean, this is... I mean. I don't do this to feel like that. I enjoy these conversations and 367 episodes and I had enjoyed every single one of them. So I didn't like that first... You're not a Morden Downey Jr. style interviewer. I don't want cringe, awkward stuff. I just want a good rapport and a deep dive is what I want. This isn't the Don Imus show.

Right, that's right. So here's I think this is sort of like the apex if you will. And unfortunately guys like you see a woman who's got shit to do and you're not my main focus. So therefore I must be a diva. I must be

this girl who's so full of herself and so and it's unfortunate because that's the way the word, that is what has become of the word. A lot of words have been ruined. Like, for instance, the word fun. When did fun become a bad word? When did people having fun become something bad? Like, that's a weird thing to me too.

So I look at words a lot, because I do write songs, and I'm working around words all the time. So over my career, I have been called that and much, much worse. And quite frankly, all women who know what they'd like to do and are doing it are put down in this world. It's a problem and we're going to change that. We're coming for you. That makes you nervous. You as in all of you, if that makes you nervous,

get the black lives girls in here. I dare you to like you. I'd be happy to. That's really insulting to me. All right. So, so many things to unpack there, but I don't even know if I want to touch any of that.

Well, first of all, I did not know. And I i didn't say i obviously i was off my game i couldn't do my normal follow-up thing but uh when she said uh when did fun become a bad word i swear to you this is me being very honest with you cam i did not know fun was a bad word like i've never heard it used news to me i mean that that sucks if it is a bad word fun is not a bad word i love fun yeah that's me and i'm like a miserable middle-aged guy. Right. Okay.

And secondly, and she made a few references to it. Prior to this part of the podcast, my brain did not think race or color. Like I had no, like I never had in my brain, oh, I'm a white guy talking to a black woman.

Like this was not anything in my mind until she kept saying guys like you. And then she started talking about the black lives matters girls and i didn't then she brought this race into it and i don't know where the race came from yeah i don't know if i took that away but more i mean i do agree with her in principle that you know a lot of successful women do intimidate men right i was gonna say rightly wrongly it's just wrongly if that's case, but this is clearly something that's on her mind and a pain point,

and that's how she expresses it. So, you know, a lot of the stuff there, I don't... But what does she mean by coming through? Is that just to say, like, if you guys who don't like powerful women, like... I guess so. And it's not like you're... I like powerful women.

Yeah, me too. I'm a huge fan. They're the best. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, me too. I'm a huge fan. You're the best. Yeah. I don't know. Huge fan. It had a bit of WWE promo in it. We're coming for you. But this is clearly something

she cares about. And obviously she's speaking from the heart regardless of how she expressed it here. I feel like I'm lopsing into PR mode here. No, I mean, that's why like I'm like lapsing into like PR mode here. No, I mean, that's why I wanted to have this chat with you because I just want the

straight up what it was like as a listener, like what your perceptions are of this as a listener. Well, I, to paint the picture, I was also listening to this on a packed King West street car to, to, to maximize the discomfort.

I, I thought it was compelling personally to listen to this. I saw your tweet saying, this this is this is a real this is a real unique episode so i was kind of ready for something pretty heavy it's different yeah yeah yeah and she really you know she she she this was definitely as they said in the pro wrestling business this is a shoot not a work um but you know you you you're you're in the real talk business and you got some real talk there and And I, you know, I probably seen Molly Johnson interviewed over the years, probably much back in the day. And, you know, know her general story and her kind of jazz dealings and stuff. And, yeah, I mean, it's very interesting to hear where her head's at.

And like I said, a lot of the stuff she says there, I don't fundamentally disagree with. I'm not really sure kind of the we're coming for you guys like you type stuff but hey she's she's she's passionate about this and i don't i don't blame her because i mean women in the societies we know are they deal with like just so much shit like you know we see it online we see it in real life so i you know i i get it i get where she's coming from with some of this stuff so after that episode i did go to to the website for the Black Lives Matters Toronto people. And they had a form if you want to have somebody speak at your event or whatever. And I filled in the form with the details of what I do and invited somebody from their organization

to come on Toronto Mic. And I haven't heard back, but I did do that right away. So she dared me to put them on, like as if I need a dare, just that, you know, I'm me to put them on like as if i need a dare just that you know i'm happy to have yeah we've actually had a member of the organization speak an event at our office to an event we did um this was i guess about a year ago called position of strength which is also one of the favorite events i've worked on since i've been at twitter that was just it was a three-hour event at our office it was just talked about the experience of being a woman on twitter and experience of being a woman in the world and we had like a wide range of people we had BLM was there Kristen Wong Tam the Toronto City Councilor was there we had people from the Toronto police surfaces people from

media smarts which is an advocacy organization cool it was one of the first events that we did where we were very real and very authentic about you know why it's great to be on twitter and what are some of the challenges being on twitter and it was it was honestly like the fact that we invest time and money and effort and open up our space to have that sort of conversation that isn't necessarily 100 positive about us right is awesome and that that event was a real eye-opener for me. No censorship. These people weren't... You don't have to keep this media positive. This was real talk,

if you will, about Twitter. We didn't do really any messaging. It's come in and we're going to do a panel and you can tell us what you think about where we're at. Well, good for you. That's good. That's very good. Last question about the Molly, then we're going to talk briefly about Stu. I got a few words to say to Stu Stone,

but we'll come to those in a minute. No, no, it's coming in a second. Last thing is, so at some point in this episode, Molly said, I'm part of the industry. And I think I might have, like in real time, I responded something like, I'm not in the industry. And then she said, I am. And then this got me thinking, like i think about i take these

words very seriously and i'm like i don't i never considered myself in the industry because i'm just a guy in my basement with no i'm my own boss i'm in my basement chatting whatever i want uh but uh elvis my buddy elvis uh told me i am in the industry so cam as a guy who's like communications god of communications at twitter canada uh is is this what we're on now are am i in the industry or what does that mean i'll say anybody i've told that i was on your podcast every single person i don't think i've there's been anybody who didn't know who you were um some some you know better than others but everyone's definitely aware of you in my travels in PR and media circles

so I think I consider you in the industry I consider you as someone with a level of influence and a voice and I mean what you're doing is just it's quite unique in terms of long-form interviews with these types of personalities

so yeah I certainly consider you in the industry it's up to you but yeah it's got to be true okay I just thank you for that. I never considered that before. But now I need more compensation, I think. If you're going to be in the industry. Stu Stone. Sure.

Stu was on... Stu's episode blindsided me a bit because the first time I heard the name Stu Stone was when you said it in episode 350. Yeah, my former co-host of Overtime Sports Talk. Right. So you mentioned My Pet Monster, which resonated with me. And so, of course, I found out about his documentary, which is called Jack of All Trades. Jack of All Trades. And I wanted him on. Actually, he kicked out the jam. So I'm having Stu Stone. I'm going to meet him for the first time. I knew he was a friend of yours. Like you vouched for him, so to speak.

He comes over. I meet him for the first time. He was really excited. He was, no, that was afterwards. After the recording, I told him, oh, Hebsey's going to be here in five minutes. And his mind was going to blow up. Like Mark Hebsey from Sportsline

is going to be here in five minutes. He was really excited to meet Hebbsy. I digress. I don't know how long it was, two and a half hours or something with Stu Stone. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I loved, similar to my conversation with you, it was a frenetic romp through Toronto Pop Culture. He's done

so many interesting things. I absolutely loved the Stu Stone episode. I've known Stu since 1991 when we met in grade 9, to quote the Barenaked Ladies. I guess technically this is me in grade 9 would be quoting the Barenaked Ladies.

This is me in grade 9? Yeah. They were real wacky. Definitely them at their most wacky. That's when they were trying to be speaking to Gian Gomeschi. They were kind of like them, right? Moxie Proof um kind of a goofy i call that the silly rock yeah the silly rock um but yeah like stew's like journey is just i think it's fascinating as someone who's you know known him well but like you know when he

was in los angeles a lot of the time we weren't really in touch for years i mean he he left at the end of high school and lived in la and we it was almost like folklore at that time before facebook you'd hear these little things about him partying with tatiana ali and and apparently he was like warren g's next door neighbor and devon sawa and you just hear these little bits and pieces out of the void and like i was in hamilton at the time going to school and i there wasn't really that many people from high school i kept in close touch with so you just hear these little bits and pieces and then sort of facebook comes back and and you know you know it's like when you first go on kind of social media and facebook just this flood

of people from your past um come back so we've gradually reconnected and yeah we've definitely like hung out the last few years. I went to see one of his screenings of Jack of All Trades. We'll hang out with the Pasternak boys, our fellow co-conspirators with Overtime. Sean, he's now head of communications for Manulife

Financial. Wow. Yeah, and Ryan, he works at the airport with a lot of the food services out there, managing a lot of that operations. So I love having people. from when I was a kid. You all did quite well. It sounds like you all did quite well. Yeah.

Yeah. We're all living well. And a lot of us have children and stuff, which is awesome. But yeah, it's great. I just love seeing what Stu's up to. Did you enjoy his episode? It was amazing. I obviously knew a lot of this stuff already.

But there was a lot of stuff I learned, too, that I didn't know he had done in some of his dealings and certainly his era with Jamie Kennedy and rolling with Sagan and all that. Yeah, that's like when I wasn't really in touch with him because again, this is sort of post high school, pre Facebook or it's kind of that era. All the wrestling stuff is hilarious as me and him used to watch like the Royal Rumble

with all our buddies back in the day. It was a of fun um so yeah i thought it was great and i i hopefully it's something that even if you you've never heard that name this is what i can tell you as a guy who you know this is episode 369 i can tell you that there's a definite like there's a core that listens to everything yeah okay so there's like a subscriber base and it's a good base and they'll listen to everything and then there's the uh name recognition correlated to the bump, if you will. Like the bigger the name or the more widely known this name is, the bigger the bump. Of course. Of course.

Right. So like, and I'm very conscious of this, but I actually decided not to care, which is why I can do an episode about Tom Thompson. Right. Yeah. Tom Thompson. I couldn't, if I need, if numbers were, everything was numbers,

no disrespect to Cam Gordon. Sure. But Cam Gordon and Stu Stone are not names that are known by. No, we're not in the popular, we're not newspaper writers. We weren't,

well, I mean, Stu was on TV, but we're not, we're not media personalities. But your episodes are amazing. Yeah. To me, these are amazing.

So here's why, I just wish, this is, sadly, is the Stu Stone episode won't get, like, let me say somebody big. Like, how me, these are amazing. So here's what I just wish, this is, sadly, is the Stewstone episode won't get, like, I'll make, let me say somebody big. Like, how about,

well, let's take Andy Frost, for example. Like Dan Schulman. Dan Schulman's a great example, yeah. The Dan Schulman numbers will dwarf the Stewstone numbers because the Stewstone numbers are pretty much the core and it doesn't go beyond the core,

which is great. I do this for the core, for what it's worth. But Stewstone, that's a good example of an episode well yours as well but stew stone is an episode where i wish i wish i wish it could get the same reach as a bob mccain can i draw a little parallel here this is almost like the you know i know we're going to talk about music in a second this is almost like a cool indie label i think of matador records was one or let's go back to sloan okay yeah murder records

you got one chord to another twice removed hey they've got these other bands what's hardship post we got al tuck and no action right uh we've got uh hip club groove featuring future actors from the trailer park boys you'd sort of pick up those bands and listen to those songs because of their affiliation with sloan maybe there's a little bit of that with toronto mike where you're like hey come for the dan shulman stay for the jody's jumpsuit but that's how i think that's exactly what my mindset is yes come for the ron mclean and maybe you'll stay maybe for the many deaths of tom thompson or the jody's jumpsuit is a great example i love that like that was just because i knew her from twitter i knew nothing about her and that's her debut of broadcasting medium or whatever.

She's never appeared. And you're right. And it was Mark Weisblatt who said to me, hey, I bumped into Jodie's jumpsuit at a bar. Yeah. She'd be a great guest. And I'm like, I never even considered it. Yes, she's a popular Toronto Twitter.

Why would Weisblatt be at a bar? I'd like to unpack that. Can I take credit for this? Can I take credit? Sure. So the first time he came over, so he comes over every quarter. That's four times a year in case you don't know what a quarter is. So four times a year, Mark comes over. The first time he came over, it was

Mark, you could tell like he was coming out of his comfort zone and he wasn't quite socially comfortable at all. But I've watched over the last few years, like, you know, I've watched over the last few years, like, you know, I've seen him four times a year, including at the first Toronto Mic Listener Experience, which I'm going to talk about in one moment.

He has totally changed. Like, I'm not taking full credit. I'm going to take partial credit for this. He's come out of his shell. Like, now he's out and about and he's doing things. He's spreading his wings and flying around Toronto. It's a different Mark. Yeah.

I mean, Mark is just such a fountain of information and just a very specific point of view. And I like chatting with Mark just because he's worked in the Toronto media for so many different companies over the years, too. So he's a lot of different lenses and points of view on just how the media industry has changed. Like, no one knows. Like, I know if I have a question about today's special, I can hit up Ed Conroy or whatever. But if I have a question about Canadian media landscape stuff, even if it's from the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, the 2000s, whatever, I can hit up Mark Weisblatt.

It's better than Googling it. Yeah, Mark, he definitely shines a light on things that I've not thought of for years. I remember he tweeted a link to an article i think from the sun about the peace lady do you do you know this is you told the story your last visit oh that's too it was you it was you um it was probably me yeah so like him tweeting about the peace lady and i'm like oh my god i've not thought about that for 25 years and then i take that article i send it to my mom and dad it's like hey mom you remember that lady when you used

to work at North York General? She just died. She actually did live in a tent. Because a lot of this stuff is Toronto folklore at the time. He's a great archivist. Him and Ed Conroy obviously are kind of... The Mount Rushmore of... I still think a live show

with you, Mark, and Ed on a panel and just a four-hour chat in a bar somewhere. We did once try. I once had them both on at the same time. Yeah. But I need to do something different. I would love to watch it.

I get nervous, though. Okay, so at the first... This is a great segue. So the very first Toronto Mic Listener Experience, which was in July, we all got together at Great Lakes Brewery one evening from 6 to 9 p.m. And included in the crowd was Ed Conroy and Mark Weisblatt.

And of course, I'm there because I'm hosting this event. And I was a little nervous. Like, should we all be in the same place at the same time? Right. Okay. It seemed like it was dangerous. Like, should something, heaven forbid, something happens, that's kind of...

This is a bit of like pilots not eating at the same restaurant just in case the food's poison. Or the famous example, of course, the president and the vice president never fly together. Yeah, exactly. I think there'd definitely be a gap of Toronto folklore and archiving. I might have to assume the mantle

if something happened at your listening experience. Are you ready to step up? Because there's room on Mount Rushmore for one more phase. Well, look at it this way. I'm bringing you bags from Byway that I found in my parents' closet. So I think I'm game. I think I'm going to put in some

more reps, but I think I'm ready. So don't please do not. This is just for Cam. Everybody else should, but for Cam, Gordon, do not come to the Toronto Mic Listener Experience 2.0 on September 12. Okay? Because I can't have you, Ed, me, and Mark

in the same place. Yeah. I was actually hoping I might be able to make it. I'm actually flying to the East Coast the next day. So I have to check my schedule.

Well, can I tell you about it? I'd love to check it out. Yeah. There's only a couple episodes before then. I need to tell everybody because this is going to be really awesome

because, okay, just like the first time, the Royal Pains, okay? Al Grego is a long time listener of toronto mic he's uh patron he loves this show he's got a great band and they uh they perform like i would say not only 90s but mainly 90s rock covers like love it good stuff it's great they died i noticed they went into the 80s a bit because there was some appetite for destruction stuff going on from gnr but they uh focus on the 90s and they're great.

They were a big hit the first time. Way better than they should have been. It's also a nice end of summer thing too. You get into the melancholy of the change of the seasons. I think that would be a great way to spend one of the last few days of summer before the seasons change.

But wait, there's more. By the way, while I'm mentioning them, please, theroyalpainsband.com. If you're planning an event of any sorts, a bar mitzvah or a wedding or a Christmas party or a Hanukkah celebration, whatever, whatever you're celebrating, you need to book the Royal Pains Band.

Okay, so theroy Royal Pains Band. Okay? So theroyalpainsband.com. Talk to Al. They are available, and they are great. And if you come to this event at Great Lakes Brewery on September 12th from 6 to 9 p.m., you can see the Royal Pains Band perform, and they're fantastic. So in addition to them, this is exciting. I find this exciting.

Past guests, also jam kickers, Splashin' Boots. How old is your daughter again? She's going to I find this exciting. Past guests, also jam kickers, Splashin' Boots. How old is your daughter again? She's going to be 10 this December. Way too old for Splashin' Boots. Way too old. But parents of younger kids know Splashin' Boots because they're all over

Treehouse TV and they are like the Wiggles of Canada except better in my opinion. So Splashin' Boots are going to also perform at this event. This is huge.

Yeah, and they're not going to play, you know, Granny Shake Your Bum or all that stuff that my daughter Morgan and my son Jarvis love. They're going to also do covers of, like, they're going to do Oasis and Guns N' Roses and stuff. Are you serious? Yeah, I'm dead serious. So these two bands are going to be doing live covers

of great 90s jams at the Toronto Mic Listener experience 2.0 but it gets even better than that there's and i have a an itinerary this time i have a time schedule to make sure we we get everything in there's also going to be 10 minutes of stand-up comedy from globe and male sports writer david schultz oh my god and after his 10 minutes of stand-up comedy, and hopefully he wears one of his... Molly Johnson's spoken word. I would totally do that,

but I don't think she would do that. Probably not. After David Schultz, Gare Joyce, who is... I always say the writer's writer. This guy is such a good sports writer. Not a lot of name recognition either, but Gare Joyce has been on the show.

He's kicked out the jams. He's going to do 10 minutes of stand-up comedy as well. That's awesome. Yeah. Nice mix there. Very vaudevillian. And there's the crowd. Mike Wilner sent me a note the other day.

He's going to try to make it. He wants to go. That's kind of his hood. And Hebsey's going to be there for sure. Keegan Matheson, who's a great sports writer. I'm going to wrangle Stu Stone, because me and him have been trying to connect. Yeah, I would love to check this out.

And I'm going to be like starstruck. It sounds awesome. It's going to be amazing. And it gets a little bit better. First of all, of course, I don't make a penny on this. I should point that out. There's no cover.

There's no cover. This is just, I want to meet everybody. And I just want everyone, just get us all together. We all listen to these shows and read the blog. Let's get us all together to kind of give each other hugs and selfies and whatever the kids are doing but there's

a so no cover and Great Lakes Brewery is going to buy you your first beer so if you come and get out here for the Toronto Mike listener experience you get a ticket and you get a free 12 ounce beverage of beer of your choice, whatever they have on tap. So yes, everyone who comes to the show

gets a free beer. That is unbelievable. That anyone's given away free beer. They did that the first time, they're doing it again. So it's even better than Bucca beer, free beer. Way better than Bucca beer. Amazing.

Take that, Dofo. And after your free beer, it's only $5 a pint anyways on the patio have you know if the rains uh come down there's a great space in the back we'll move to but i'm hoping we get good weather because the patio is amazing so that's what we did last time so september 12th free beer no cover five dollar pints after and they're gonna have their their kick-ass uh food truck open uh what do they call it the the craft wavy wall Kitchen or something? Or the Wavy Wall Craft Kitchen, I think they call it.

And it's great. Everybody loved the grub last time and that's there. And just come and say hi and hang out with us and who knows who you're going to meet, what past guests. Ron McLean almost made the first one.

Whoa. If it had been gone a little later, he was going to drop by. He had another engagement. And does he live in Toronto proper? Oakville, I think. In Oakville, okay. I think he's an Oakville guy. There are some interesting names that are

threatening to come. September 12th, come to the Toronto Mic Listener Experience. Fantastic. Are you going to try to make it? I'm going to try to make it, yeah. Like I said, I'm going to text Stu later today and say, hey bud, here's a good chance to connect.

We've had a couple of false starts. I would love to see you guys there that would make warm the cockles of my heart uh we mentioned great lakes brewery because they're gonna be the venue for this event uh there's a six-pack in front of you cam sure is take it home with you absolutely great lakes brewery we did a whole episode on buck a beer by the way uh i don't know if you heard that one but i i have not listened to that but uh very very topical short but sweet and it's good so please enjoy the uh six pack of this is definitely not buck a beer this is this is the good stuff here and can't talk over that part this is not buck a beer but not far off you know you get a my wife's favorite beer they have is the

Blonde Lager, and I think it sells at the retail store for $2.30. Not bad. That's a great price for quality beer. Quality stuff. Absolutely. Brian Gerstein was at the first Toronto Mike Listener Experience, but his slow pitch team

has, I think if they win their semifinal game, I think their finals will be the night of September 12th. So I hate this. He might not be able to make it. Maybe do a little Tonya Harding intervention there. Good idea. Good idea. I will do that.

But Brian, of course, is a real estate sales representative with PSR Brokerage. And I urge you to phone him right now. I don't care what time of day it is. 416-873-0292. If you're planning to buy and or sell in the next six months, just meet Brian. Nice guy. He's going to the U.S. Open. He's a big tennis guy.

That's amazing. Yeah. And Milos Raonic, Thornhill's own, doing very well. He won his opening round match yesterday. Brian is from Thornhill. Yeah. And he's friends with Milos' father. Amazing.

And I believe he told me he gave Milos' father a six-pack of Great Lakes beer once. Mike, this is just all coming to... It's like there's only 12 people that live in Toronto. This is incredible. But Milos is really on the rebound this year. It's been nice to see because it seemed like he was dipping a bit.

But he's doing well. He's doing us proud here in Canada. Oh, yeah. Now everyone wants to talk about Brooke Henderson. Which I missed that complete thing. I only learned this wonderful Canadian moment happened. It was like late Sunday when I learned this happened.

I didn't even know what was going on. It was very cool because you saw a lot of other Canadian athletes celebrating her victory on Twitter, including newly minted Toronto Maple Leaf executive Hayley Wickenheiser. Right. Gave her a shout out, which is very cool. Executive? I don't know. She's not an executive, is she?

Well, the staff. Yes. Are you an executive at Twitter Canada? I guess technically, yeah, sure. Good for you, bud. Thanks. But you also don't have a driver's license. No have a driver i just don't have a car okay guys the fixer is this gonna be one of your jams uh no no pearl jam on my list, but yeah, I've been known to listen to some Pearl Jam once in a while. Just Last Kiss.

You like the big hit? Nope. I do not like that. It's a hard name. I'm more a daughter guy. Don't call me daughter. I remember distinctly when that would be, I would listen to Top 40 sometimes back then. I think 640 was also Top 40 at the time.

And I don't know what they had. It wasn't a Top 6 at 6, but they had a countdown of some kind. And Daughter would appear on the countdown. And I was thinking like today, and now my daughter, speaking of daughters, my 14-year-old, we listen to these different countdowns and stuff.

It's all hip hop slash rap slash dance. Yeah. You would never hear a Daughter on a countdown on i mean there's really nothing close i mean and even the quote-unquote rock bands you would hear are more like imagine dragons imagine dragons yeah there's more kind of process maroon five yeah maroon five yeah yeah it's a different place in time but But I remember at the time, sort of the first single after the first Blockbuster album

was a really big deal. I always think of Daughter and also Nirvana, Heart Shaped Box. Empty Cell. Empty Cell from Rusty. Trouble Charger, Friend of Mine. You know, all the great hits

from back in the day. The first, after the big breakthrough album, the first single from the next album. We should do an episode where we just do that. That would actually be fascinating the day the first after the big breakthrough album the first single from the next album i we should do an episode where we just do that that would that would actually be fascinating because there's some great examples and there's some ones that are just totally duds at the same time you know what i'm thinking of remember um oh grave dancers union is that the name of the soul asylum uh

misery i think yeah so they had a massive album. Frustrated Incorporated. Frustrated. And that's a good example of like the first single from the follow up to the breakthrough album. Yeah. I think of Stone Temple Pilots, Vaseline. Right. They totally nailed it.

Like that second Stone Temple Pilots album is fantastic. Purple. Purple, yeah. Unbelievable album. And just even hearing the opening to no vaseline i'm back at uh uh the phoenix concert i'm back at the yeah strange paradise or whatever yeah it's got that sort of gradual like oh my gosh i'm almost done pearl jam i have to quickly tell you about census design and build they provide architectural design interior design and turnkey construction

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study. So they fix things. They're the fixer. They're the fixer. Gotcha. See, I used to play, what is it? Ecstasy has senses working overtime. But there's a long, it takes a while to get to the senses working overtime. Yeah, like you don't even know what that song is for the first 90 seconds. And Jodi's jumpsuit

had some ecstasy on her list, I feel like. Was that her? Anyway. Someone else did. Someone did. Maybe she did. Maybe they got squeezed. I don't think I squeezed. I don't know. Tempted by the fruit of another. Paul Carrick.

Silky smooth vocals of Paul Carrick. That Tempted was everywhere. I remember hearing that everywhere for a while. It's in an underwear commercial, too. Yeah, now it's in a bunch of commercials. These great songs from our youth, like Rise Up, they become like, it didn't rise up. It's for McCain Rising Crust Pizza. That's wrong, right? These great songs from our youth Rise up For McCain

Rising Crust Pizza That's wrong right That was about inclusiveness Luba right That was the parachute club What's the lead singer of Parachute Club Lorraine Segato Oh it's not Luba

Luba was How Many Rivers To Cross Luba's from Montreal, too. Very interesting. She wore gloves on stage. Very interesting. Oh, Paytm Canada. Man, Paytm Canada, they rock. They're the only app in Canada that gives you rewards for your bill payments.

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use the promo code TRONOMIKE and you get $10 towards a future bill payment. It's $10 just sitting there for free from Paytm just for using the promo code Toronto Mike, all one word. It's an unbelievable deal. You want to kick out some jams?

Let me ask you this. Cam Gordon, are you ready to kick out the jams? Hell yes. Speaking of slow burns, forget census work and overtime. You can chat away. I want to hear your beautiful voice because it takes a i hope i have the right jam yeah no this is the right one uh

so yeah i know last time i came on we you i think you asked me something about who's my favorite band i said for a long time it's been uh pavement out of stockton california but if i've this band might actually be it they're certainly my favorite band that's still active this is a band at Glasgow Scotland Mogwai you familiar with Mogwai not until I saw your list yeah so Mogwai is an instrumental band I thought this might be my favorite song of all time because it just is so much range Mogwwai is an instrumental band. They've been around for close to 20 years now, I think over 20 years. This is actually from...

At first, it's not even an album. It was like a singles collection. This song is unbelievable because this is the sound of a very young band. These guys were in their early 20s when they recorded this. They're just five guys from Scotland playing guitars. But this song is so dramatic.

Five guys playing guitars. Okay. Well, five guys and some drums. I think they have three guitars. They've had a few personnel changes. But these are like young guys playing this music that's just so dramatic, so impactful. I've also seen Mogwai many, many times over the years

at the Opera House, at Lee at lee's palace easily my favorite live band i've ever seen that just totally kicked my ass um because there's their concerts are just explosive just amazing musicianships so dramatic and all their songs are like 10 minute instrumental songs like this should not work but this music to me is just so evocative without words it's just the the things these guys do is just unbelievable um and this is a band that i've never stopped listening to great for working to just have it in the background uh working out too because some of their songs do get quite noisy including this one if you give it a few minutes um i just love them like just i i spent a little time in glasgow a couple years ago um and it was just cool to be in the home of my favorite band

uh mogwai or my 1a favorite band i guess just seeing where they came from um so you've never heard of these guys no never not familiar obviously Not familiar. Obviously, Mogwai from Gremlins, the movie. Right. You remember the Mogwai before it... Why don't we change it to Gremlin? Like, if you got it wet

or if it ate up at midnight. No, you can't feed it after midnight. And it can't get wet? Like, both? Something like that, yeah. All right, let's listen a little bit here

to Mogwai. Yeah. here to Bogwai. Thank you. We'll be right back. I like this band because I can recite the lyrics already. I've already memorized the lyrics. Totally. You know every word, for sure. What years are we talking about? And what's the name of the song again yeah so this song is called uh helicon one also known as new pass to helicon one not to be confused with another song of theirs called helicon two um they're very abstract song

titles with a lot of the mogwai stuff and again this band is easily one of the loudest bands i've ever seen you know for those listeners who might not be familiar, you can tell there are a lot about textures and kind of the loud, quiet thing. Just a really fascinating band. And again, I don't know. It's one of those bands I can't even verbalize why I'm so into this band, but just their music. It does it for you. Yeah. Like I think it was like Laurieurie goldstein or from the sun

talk about trudeau crying recently and making a list of all the times justin trudeau cried this is the one band that has actually made me like tear up some of their songs that that's how much i i this band speaks to me in so many ways and i i love them i recommend everyone go check them out and definitely see them next time they come they They play here quite a bit. It seems like every two years or less. Just a fantastic live band. They seem to play at Danforth Music Hall a lot these days. That writer for The Sun fathered a member of July Talk. The woman in July Talk is the daughter.

Is Lori Goldstein? Yeah. No. Really? Yeah. Wow. Okay. That's good to know. Yeah. I think she. Wow. Okay. That's good to know.

Yeah. I think she's changed her name. She goes by Faye. Something Faye, I think. But yeah, she's Goldstein. Okay. Interesting. Fun fact. I did not know that. See, if you stick around long enough, you're going to learn something new. Are you ready for your second jam? Yes. In many ways Still midst the good old days

Someday Someday, someday Yeah, it hurts to say But I want you to stay Sometimes, sometimes When we were young How many we had fun Always, always The Strokes, Someday. I cannot believe this song is 17 years old now Which is a good way to feel old

For anyone who remembers when this was a hit back in the day The Strokes I feel like are another timeless band This stuff sort of sounded retro when it came out And now it kind of sounds the same i think this is gonna be really timeless music going forward and this song i just fucking love this song i just i'm in a good mood when i hear it um i i love that kind of fast strumming and just the really simple lyrics uh great video for this song too which featured uh one of my other favorite bands guided by voices Voices and also Slash

from Guns N' Roses do you ever see the video for this song? I can't remember the video for this song they're kind of just sitting around a bar and they're hanging out with Slash I think Albert Hammond's playing pinball I actually did an interview with Albert Hammond Jr. their guitarist

many years ago it's been well documented his struggles with heroin and other drugs i guess this is why he's putting out his first solo album i was writing for chart magazine at the time super nice guy um and yeah the strokes i think are almost they were so hyped when they showed up i think they almost became underrated if that makes sense because i think a lot of people were just kind of like yeah whatever um this is just a hype band. But I totally think they backed it up. No, they kicked ass.

Are you kidding me? And that was a, like, we were going, I think it was like a new metal thing was kind of winding down. And this was like, it brought rock back, right? Yeah, yeah. I guess them and the White Stripes are credited in a lot of ways. The Vines, the Hives, the White Stripes. Yeah, all the bands. And then, you know, yeah, later on the Yeah Yeah Yeahs and stuff.

I believe I mentioned this the last episode, that there's a newish book, Meet Me in the Bathroom, which is a whole document of that era of New York bands. Strokes are very prominently featured, named after a Strokes song, Meet Me in the Bathroom, which I think is from their second or third album. But Someday, this song is fantastic. Someone else kicked this out,

and maybe during the next jam I'll look it up. But yeah, that's a great jam. Well done. I'm not surprised. In this jam I took, so the first song you played, I had to find it. I never heard of it. That one there was in my personal collection and this one's from my son James' personal collection.

So let's hear it. Uh-uh, fuck that. Son James' personal collection. So let's hear it. Man, I swear my nigga trippin' off that shit again Pick him up, then I set him in cold water Then I order someone to bring him vodka Then hope they take the pain away from the feeling that he feel today You know when you're part of Section 8 and you feel like no one can relate Cause you are, you are a loner, loner, marijuana And office make you stronger, stronger I'm in a house party trippin' off my generation Sippin' cough syrup, black as water

Never know pancakes in the kitchen Man, not one of our lives is caught up in the daily superstition K-Dot, Kendrick Lamar, ADHD. Yeah, I hate to be that guy, but this was the first Kendrick Lamar song I heard when it came out. It was very, sorry, getting passed around a lot in kind of mixed state circles and stuff at the time. I still don't think he's written anything as close in terms of quality to this song. I love the languid kind of drugged out nature. I think this is one of the more real songs about kind of mental disorders and drug use and stuff. Because this is not platitudes. Like, I think this sort of captures the confusion

of sort of a certain time and place. I remember, like, hearing this very early and just sort of being like what is this um because i definitely like a lot of my hip-hop i like kind of the more low-key like somber type stuff and just the lyrics are just amazing and so specifically of that time um it's been interesting to see his evolution because i always think of kendrick and radiohead in the same category where everything they put out if you don't necessarily like it it's interesting and it's very much of the

time and I even like really got into like his last couple of albums but it's just he's one of those guys you just have to pay attention to because he's so prevalent in the culture and there's not really that many people who are at that mantle in popular music where they have sort of that

credibility with both critics and also populism i have my unpopular opinion here so my son and my daughter my teenagers adore everything this guy puts out like i hear it all the time and i totally respect the talent and i they'll tell me oh he's the greatest guy working today the greatest rapper working today whatever but i i personally find him a little overrated. I never find myself wanting to ever go out and purposely put on Kendrick Lamar. Again, I think that gets back to his music

is interesting. I don't think it's something you'd put on in your car or something. This is something more that would be in the background for introspection. He pulls in a lot of interesting jazz samples and things like that. But he's pretty sort of bulletproof at this point where you don't hear anyone

talking shit about him. It's so rare. Yeah, you're right. He's a critical darling, I'd say. And yeah, I even was hesitant to point out the fact that I find him a little overrated because he's as big as it gets right now in the world of hip hop.

Yeah. Yeah. It's unbelievable. We, we, we just, I was just in San Francisco. We had a big company wide offsite for Twitter and there was a lot of Kendrick Lamar music

played as like incidental music and like with video montages and stuff at that event. So definitely in the Twitter world, he's, he's quite popular. No, he's, he's popular in the real world too. Beyond the Twitter world. Absolutely. He's a No, he's popular in the real world, too. Beyond the Twitter world.

Absolutely. He's a big fucking deal, as we say. Big fucking deal. This chick's a big fucking deal, too. Let's listen to this jam. Right now I'm in a third of my life I wanna be in like all the time Ain't got no tears left to cry.

So I'm picking it up, picking it up. I'm loving, I'm living, I'm picking it up. I'm picking it up, picking it up. I'm loving, I'm living, I'm picking it up. I'm picking it up, picking it up. I'm loving, I'm living, so we turn it up. Yeah, we turn it up. Ain't got no tears in my body

I ran up but I like it I like it, I like it Don't matter how, what, when, who tries it We out here vibin' We vibin', we vibin' Come on now Even when it's rainin' down Can't stop now

Can't stop so shut your mouth Shut your mouth And if you don't know the night Know it, babe Know it, babe Right now I'm at the state of mind I wanna be in like all the time Ain't got no tears left to Cry.

Yeah, so I put this song on the list because A, I love it. B, I did a road trip with my daughter a few weeks ago where we circled Lake Erie, went to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, into Cedar Point, into Point Pelee, down at the southern tip of Ontario. Listened to a lot of radio during that time and this song seemed every five minutes was on the radio. And it really sunk in. I wasn't super familiar with it.

This is, again, the song No Tears Left to Cry. I also put this on the list because a lot of people think this is some kind of response song to the shooting at the Ariana Grande concert grande concert in manchester shooting though wasn't it uh an explosive device explosive okay yes yeah the that will be attack we'll just put that way up her concert in manchester um which she's actually said it's not really about that it's more a general song of resilience but you can certainly craft a narrative um where you know it's something in response and her kind of rising and overcoming that and i i

think that really took her to another level um i mean she was certainly popular before that but i mean made her a household name but a lot of people maybe wouldn't have heard of her otherwise but this song just kicks so much ass um it's just, I love the chorus, just the production. It's kind of got that like, almost like a disco vibe. And I love songs that people think are about other things. For some reason, I thought of Bruce Springsteen, The Rising, other songs that are ostensibly about major news events. That obviously, his response on to 9-11.

Right. Now, if you remember he also had a song called my city in ruins kind of that he wrote actually before 9-11 but a lot of people thought it was about that but it really wasn't so ariana grande uh has only one dimple like on one side of her face there's a dimple and really it's not there yeah okay i find interesting and my wife and i have a little argument. We watched some MTV Music Awards or something. Yeah. And I pointed out the dimple thing, and she said that's common.

I say it's not common. Usually there's a symmetry to the dimples. Okay. But, you know. I'll have to go back and check the Google images on that. We argue about some silly things. By the way, I now can clarify the Strokes song you kicked out, Someday, was also kicked out by Siobhan Morris from 1010 News. Good choice.

She has good taste in music. I see you're tweeting about music. Well, her father, of course, was music director at Hits 97.7, Hits FM Forever. So if anyone should have good taste, it's Siobhan. Yeah, she comes by it naturally, as they say. You ready to kick out another game? Yeah, it's a little can-con here. Oh, baby

Oh, man You're making me crazy Really driving me mad. That's all right with me. It's really no fuss. As long as you're next to me. Just the two of us You're mine, mine, mine My kind of woman

Mine, oh my What a girl You're my, my, my My kind of woman And I'm down on my hands and knees Will you please, baby, show me your world? My Kind of Woman, Mac DeMarco. So there's a fun little Twitter Canada connection for Mac DeMarco here.

You're familiar with our Moments product. You've seen Twitter Moments. Yes. So Richie, who's one of the curators on our Twitter Canada Moments team, I believe he told me he went to high school with Mac DeMarco in Edmonton. Mac DeMarco's originally from

Edmonton. Now I think he lives in Los Angeles. He's kind of bounced around to Vancouver and Montreal and I think Long Island and now I think lives in Los Angeles. But a great Canadian artist. The guy that I often forget is Canadian because he just seems of the world because he's kind of nomadic.

This song came out in the fall of 2012 so it's about five or six years old now. This song I feel like I should put back to back with ADHD. It's sort of a similar drugged out wonky tempo. It's a lovely song though. It's a beautiful ditty.

Yeah, he's really cool i don't know if you've if you're familiar with this stuff i'd really recommend them um this album is called two that this song appears on and the one that came after salad days is great and then he had another ep called another one i think those are like the real trio of his strongest stuff uh just really funny goofy guy who just writes these like really kind of like beautiful classic songs um i i love him i saw him about a year ago in concert and it was awesome he played a lot of these songs and then did like a cover of smells like teen spirit and some other fun stuff i i got mixed up with mac miller the hip-hop artist because they both

sort of showed up at the same time. I'm sure I'm not the only person. We talk about sort of Aldo Nova, Altamoda. This is sort of a modern version of that. Better that than confusing him with Melissa DeMarco, of course. Of CFMT Interstitials

fame. Oh, absolutely. And she's been on the podcast. She's been on the podcast. She's the closest I've come. She was on Degrassi, too. Right. That's where I'm going with this. Because we talked last time, you had Joey Jeremiah on the phone. That's right, on my podcast.

The completely ignored podcast. Yes, and he's completely ignoring me because I can't get... Well done. Thank you. Pat Mastroianni, I can't get him in here. But not only that, I'm having trouble even getting more accessible, media-friendly people. I can't get... Well done. Thank you. Pat Mastroianni, I can't get him in here. But not only that, I'm having trouble even getting more accessible media-friendly people. I can't get Snake in here. So what's going on?

You're going to have to ask them. A bunch of them are going to be at Comic-Con this weekend. I need to get them. Maybe head down there and you can have some words face-to-face with them. The closest I've come, I've had the... Mr. Ravitch's successor was played by Melissa DeMarco on Degrassi, The Next Generation. Yeah, I sort of remember.

And Jonathan Torrance? Oh, yes. He played Shane in the movie. Yeah, like he shapeshifted into Shane. I guess adult Shane. So you've had a few, but yeah, I mean, I know you're sort of thirst to get... They're not really core members. I need a real Degrassi person.

You need an Arthur or a Yik Yu. If you can help me with any of this, I really would... At this point, I'll take either twin. I don't care.

I'll take anybody. Well, I have a friend who's... She's quite friendly with the guy who played BLT. I'll take... I know him

because I saw him on a... Okay, this is an interesting BLT story, I suppose. Everyone should have one. But I love... Everyone who played BLT. I'll take... I know him because I saw him on a... Okay, this is an interesting BLT story, I suppose. Everyone should have one. But I love... Everyone needs a BLT story. I loved, I still love, Kids in the Hall.

Okay. And there's a Buddy Cole... There's a Buddy Cole skit in which BLT is like... He's a topless man-servant to Buddy Cole, played by Scott Thompson. And I was like, oh my God,

that's the only time I've ever seen BLT. And he doesn't have a line. He's just there as a beefcake. Sure, window dressing. But that was my BLT. I saw him in this skit, and I'm like, there's BLT. Yeah, he lives in Los Angeles now. That's all I know, and is working down there. Well, I don't do phoners. Tell him he's got like, there's BLT. Yeah, he lives in Los Angeles now. That's all I know and is working down there.

Well, I don't do phoners. Tell him he's got to get his ass in here. Yeah, okay. You can cover his expense again. You mentioned Twitter. Your colleague is running for city council. Yeah, well, Jennifer Hall had recently announced that she's going to be running for city council.

Obviously, these changes in the different wards and stuff. Yeah, there's only 25 now. Yeah, yeah. So we'll see how that plays out. I actually saw her the other night at an event and we were chatting a little bit. So I guess stay tuned on what happens there. But it's going to be an interesting fall in Toronto

and interesting mayoral race too with Jennifer Keyes- Matt, getting a lot of attention being very present. Interesting that now we have somebody that we can, there's actually a race now, but not that in my humble opinion as watching this city's political spectrum forever,

there is no chance Jennifer beats John Tory in this election. That's your opinion? No, that's an opinion. I can't predict the future. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, we'll see what happens. And I like Jennifer. I mean, I don't even like to admit it,

but I was so afraid of Doug Ford being our mayor. I was a big Olivia fan, and I was so scared of Doug Ford being our mayor, I cast my vote for John Tory. So you did some strategic voting. I had to block. I think a lot of people did, vote for John Tory. So he did some strategic voting. I think a lot

of people did, but I can't see Jennifer getting more votes than John Tory in this mayoral. Yeah, I mean John Tory, he's just had such an interesting career because he's just sort of been ubiquitous in the news cycle for many different ways for many different years.

He's almost like a Paul Godfrey type in that way. That's a good comparison. It would be an interesting one. I mean, Jennifer Giesemann is certainly very capable and has a great background in urban planning and whatnot. Oh, very capable. And she'd be, in my opinion, by far,

I want her to win. Like, don't get me wrong. I mean, she's actually got my vote. I just can't see her getting close in the popular vote. I think a lot of people see her as the perfect foil for Doug Ford. You know, as Toronto becomes more and more, I guess what they call

in the States, more of like a sanctuary city perhaps. Well, let's put it this way. If they de-amalgamated, Jennifer would be a slam dunk winner for the old Toronto. Let's put it that way. Yeah. Well, I mean, she's talking succession or she was at some point. Briefly, and then she called it... Sorry, secession, not success. Secession?cession secession and then she walked it back very very quickly that's a hard

word to say it is a very hard word but uh so yes uh can you remind me which riding and i know with the new carve up of the 25 i guess that matches the uh the federal uh ridings or the provincial i believe so yeah that that was who's the big competitor to Jennifer Hollett? Well, I don't know. I mean, time will tell. Who's the incumbent there? Well, the riding I know the riding she was going to go for has been realigned.

So she was going to run down by kind of Regent Park area. And that's been combined with some other stuff. So time will tell. I mean, I know a lot of people are keeping an eye on the registry list that is on the City of Toronto website. To see if Ann Romer changes their mind? Amongst others. And who's some other?

Was it Andrea Case running? Oh, that's Colin DeMello. Colin DeMello is a past guest. Yeah, so someone else was running to some interesting yeah maybe with this realignment

Ann Romer will reconsider but maybe she'll become a flight attendant again who knows go back to the

happiest times of her life that's right that's right let's kick out another jam yeah let's take them back

Uh-huh Coming up, I was confused, my mama kissing a girl Confused in the curse, coming up in the cold world Daddy ain't around, probably out committing felonies My favorite rapper used to sing, check, check out my melody I wanna live good, so shit, I sell dope for a four-finger ring One of them gold ropes, nana told me me if I pass I'll get a sheepskin coat If I can move a few packs I'll get the hat

Now that'd be dope Tossed and turned in my sleep that night Woke up the next morning niggas have stole my bike Different day same shit ain't nothing good In the hood I run away from this bitch and never come back if I could Needed a love with the underdogs on top And I'm gon' shine homie until my heart stop Go ahead and be me

I'm Raps MVP And I ain't going nowhere so you can get to stops. Go ahead and be me. I'm rap symphony. And I ain't going nowhere. So you can get to know me. Hated or love it. The underdogs on top. And I'm going to shine on me until my heart stops. Go ahead and be me. I'm rap symphony.

And I ain't going nowhere. So you can get to know me. Hate it or love it. That's 50 Cent and the Game. Yeah, so this is easily one of my favorite hip-hop tracks of the new millennium um just love this song this this song samples a song called rubber band by the tramps um now do you know what the tramps are most famous for what their big hit was they spell their name of two p's right uh two m's two m's that's right there's something

funky about it yeah you have to remind me uh disco inferno yeah so yeah like 50 cent in the game at a falling out famously right after this song and we're a lot of war of words i actually looked it up and it says on wikipedia in august 2016 50 cent ended his 12-year feud with the game when the two were at the Ace of Diamonds strip club. And the game said, what happened? That shit was 12 years ago. So they're back to being BFFs, 50 Cent and the game.

I just love this. Great lyrics, just tells a good story. I love the sample track. It's just fantastic. We're about to hit TIFF season in Toronto. I have a little 50 Cent Toronto factoid for you. I don't know if you remember, he did a film version. His big debut album, Get Rich or Die Trying, there was the film version of that.

Of course, they filmed it here. Yeah, yeah. So that debuted at TIFF one year. And he actually played a very short concert at a panorama in the bay blur center that restaurant that's on top of there yeah yeah yeah because i remember a guy years ago telling me he saw he did like a three or four song set did you know uh in that into club he's gotta do in the club i think it's he's gotta do into club yeah he did that and uh got money and like you know whatever it's like three or four biggest hits were. This was, I think,

prior to this song coming out. But the idea of 50 Cent playing a panorama, I think of that as more like a wedding venue or one that we rented out. We actually rented it out when I did PR for LG Electronics for a press conference with Jamie Foxx. Jamie Foxx,

Oscar winner, Jamie Foxx. Yeah, this was around the time he was playing Ray Charles. It was a short film event that LG was sponsoring at the time. So we got Jamie Fox up there and did a little fireside chat with him. But what if they make my favorite phones? I keep re-upping my LG G5.

Yeah, they're solid stuff. One of South Korea's finest companies, LG Electronics. Good stuff. I mean, 50 Cent, of course, cashed in because he had, oh, it's a vitamin water? Yeah, vitamin water, which he, I think, sold to Pepsi later. Or someone bought it, like a huge controlling stake. Somebody, yeah.

He made coin on that, though. He did very well. He's doing very well considering, you know, he's really come back. It's not dray money, but it's pretty good. Yeah. Well, you know, he had all those gunshot wounds back in the day. So he's done very well. But you're to this day this is 2018 if you want to get people up like on a dance floor or something start into club just like i'm telling you it's you still it's almost

kind of still a meme like hey shouty it's your birthday you still hear that you know once in a while or you see little memes or you know gifts or gifs or whatnot passing around. So it's timeless and he's cool. Like, I like him. I like him because he doesn't spend time to enunciate or whatever. He doesn't even barely... Because his mouth is wired shut or something from the gunshots? Was that what it was? Am I confusing him with Kanye? Kanye West, he was

in a car accident because he had that song, Through the Wire, one of his first songs. So he had the, yeah, 50 Cent's just like sort of a no bullshit guy. Yeah. His name's Curtis, right? Curtis. Yeah, Curtis. That's the one. 🎵 Sorry eyes That cut through bone That make it hard To leave you alone To leave you here

Wearing your wounds, waving your guns. Somebody knew. Baby, I was lost. Baby, I was lost. Baby, I was lost. Lost Cause, Beck. Yeah, so Beck is one of my longtime favorite artists. It's funny, I was just creating on Spotify the last few days a new playlist I called Depressing Fall Shit. And there was a lot of songs from this album including this one uh sea change which came out in 2002 um his his big breakup album just i

think it's one of the best albums of the 2000s and beck's incredible because just every three to four albums he puts out something like this uh most recently morning view an album we put out about three or four years ago that's just acoustic and just an amazing songwriter um i i saw him this summer at the molson amphitheater which is a ton of fun it was like a real greatest hit set the budweiser stage sorry budweiser stage yeah my mistake yeah all the arenas are changing the names um and this was my first time seeing him since the tour for this album sea change when i saw him in Massey Hall with the Flaming Lips opening and also playing with him, which is an interesting mashup of artists. And my first time seeing Beck was at Lollapalooza 1995, where he played with my aforementioned favorite band, Pavement and Sonic Youth and Cypress Hill at Molson Park in Barrie. The following year, right before he put out Odelay,

he actually did a solo acoustic show in the upper annals of the concert hall at 888 Yonge Street, which was the MTV Canada studio. I think CTV still owns it, maybe. That's a great question. What is its name right now? I think they still call it the Masonic temple okay um but i know they have like events there like tech to is some

events there for sure so this was an acoustic show everyone's sitting cross-legged on on an upper floor at the concert hall and me and my friend paul were there we were really excited to see beck and these two people came and sat beside us and we look over and it's suk-hyun lee uh who's hosting thege at the time. And I remember very specifically she was eating, I think, Harvey's French fries. And she actually offered some French fries to us. And my friend said, no thanks, Sook. I thought your friend would say, Bob's your uncle.

Of course, her indie rock band of the day. But it's one of the things I love about music in Toronto. It's not unusual to see people in the music scene at other shows. So we were a bit starstruck being kind of teenagers and singing succulently at the Acoustic Beck show. Yeah, I mean, she was a much music VJ, became a big deal. Totally. And then she went on to do Definitely Not the Opera on CBC Radio. For like 10 years or so

like she's still got a show like a sleepover show on cbc i don't think that renewed or whatever but i did hear a few episodes where she yeah sleepovers with different people that's right yeah no she's cool like she's just one of those people likes to try stuff and she's she's talented okay this is interesting so uh you listen to the show so you know usually brian uhinthesix.com, usually he records a question for the guest. That's right. I think he asked about getting himself verified. Getting me verified. Getting you verified. What's the status update?

Yeah, we're still on hold, our verification processes. Stay tuned as I put my PR hat back on. But yeah, more on that soon. PR hat back on. But yeah, more on that soon. So I don't think he realized how early we were recording today because we started recording like 8.30 in the morning, which is early. So as of right now,

I just checked my email during that wonderful Beck song. And I see that he just now sent in his question for you. And I normally screen these, make sure I have an ass. I'm going to go in blind. I have no idea what this question is.

Okay, I'm ready. So I normally put his jingle over top, but I'm just going. I'm going to go in blind. I have no idea what this question is. Also, I normally put his jingle over top, but I'm just going to play the question. You got the jingle earlier. Let's hear from Brian here. Hi Cam, Brian Gerstein here. Sales representative with PSR Brokerage and proud sponsor of

Toronto Mike's. Great to have you kick out the jams. Looking forward to listen. You or Mike's listeners can reach out to me directly by call or text at 416-873-0292 for all of your real estate needs. Cam, you retweeted Brooke Henderson's heartfelt speech to the crowd after her victory at the Canadian Open. How would you rank it against Mike Weir's Masters victory? And what does it say about the state of women's golf,

with the best golfer that Canada has ever produced, not having her national championship televised, and having TSN embarrassed to pick up coverage on the final day? Wow, I mean, that's a great question. It appears that with this win, hopefully this will help popularize female golf maybe with a larger audience and become one of those people that people just follow in this country. I mean, golf's kind of interesting because once in a while you get these people that go beyond just the core golf fan. I mean, certainly most famously recently would be Tiger Woods. And certainly female golf, I think, you know, there haven't been any like huge marquee people. Certainly in this country, I think of people like, God.

Donko Jones. Donko Jones, which I was wondering if the band Danko Jones, if that was related. Barb Bunkowski. Was there a female golfer, Nancy? Or no laurie laurie laurie lopez you're thinking yeah i think you're right i think i am who was married to oh who ray knight from the new york mets who scored on the famous mookie wilson bill buckner no i love that mets team because uh i was a big i was a huge and maybe you were too you're a bit younger than me but

doc gooden when he broke out with the Mets, and they used to televise the Mets games on, I don't know if it was WUTV. That's right, I remember this. I would watch the Mets games, and this was rare back then, we were lucky to get Jay's games, okay? The Mets game would be on TV,

and if Dwight Gooden was starting, it was appointment viewing. It was an event. Dr. K was unbelievable when he broke in. That team, the 86 of Mets, had so many characters on it. You had Dwight Gooden, you had Mookie Wilson, you had Lenny Dykstra, you had

Keith Hernandez, Wally Beck, like all these great people. Howard Johnson was on the team. Darryl Strawberry, Ron Darling, and Roger McDowell was one of the great pranksters in Major League Baseball history. Just one of those great teams. I remember that was a great starting rotation.

Oh, God, and Gary Carter. Montreal Expo, great. Anyway, to answer Brian's question, yeah, I think this win, it definitely put Brooke Henderson on the radar of more people. At the end of the year at Twitter, we always pull data of who are the most mentioned Canadians in different categories. So athletes and actors and politicians. And I remember last year we did

top five female athletes. And Brooke Henderson was actually in the top five most mentioned Canadian female athletes. Oh, Canadian female athletes. Yeah, I don't remember the exact combination, but I know Tessa Virtue was on there, Jeannie Bouchard. But Brooke Henderson in the mix in the top five. So we'll definitely probably see her spike in terms of Twitter mentions. Because yeah, this was a big deal in Canada and hopefully elsewhere.

Now admittedly, and by the way, Brian will be A-OK with that tangent because it brought up Gary Carter. So I think any time an expo great is brought up on this show, Brian's happy. Okay, fantastic. Yeah, the late Gary Carter. So I think any time an Expo great is brought up on this show, Brian's happy. Okay, fantastic. Yeah, the late Gary Carter. I mean, left us

way, way too soon and just a real... One of those guys I remember when I first started following baseball. He was just one of the guys. He was one of the faces of Major League Baseball at that time. The kid. The kid, Kid Carter. I remember him with Andre Dawson and Tim Raines. This was a uh this was

a yeah well if you remember gary carter came back to play for the expos for this last one or two years and i remember i think it was his final hit he had a double at the big o and he used to wear the helmet with no flaps on it um and just remember him like pumping his fist i kind of do remember this actually somehow i do remember yeah actually. Somehow I do remember it. Yeah, it was a great moment. Like it was something that you'd see replayed. Was Dave Van Horn calling that? Oh, I'm sure he was.

Yeah. And probably like Ken Singleton or whoever their color guy was. Right. Yeah. We missed the kid for sure. Man. Now as a, so I'm a sports fan,

but I'm not a big golf guy, although I really do get into the Tiger Woods thing. Yeah. That one does transcend. So I'm big on that the tiger woods thing to be that one does transcend so i'm big on that uh and i used to be more of a like i do watch the majors if i if i have somebody there interesting to follow whatever but i'm a much bigger tennis fan so maybe that's the inherent bias here but in my lifetime experience following sports the lpga does not get even an i would say like it's like 10 of the interest that women's tennis gets.

Like, so, I mean, if a woman's tennis, let's say, I know Bouchard had that one great year and then she's fallen off a cliff, but Eugenie Bouchard would always be a bigger deal in Canada than Brooke Henderson because she's a tennis star versus LPGA. For some reason, the LPGA flies way below the radar in my humble opinion.

Yeah, well, I think the perception of golf, and I'm not a huge golf fan either, which is interesting because growing up, PGA tours were always on because both my parents play a lot of golf and they follow it quite closely. And my dad even has volunteered at the Canadian Open. volunteered at the canadian open wow um i i think with sports like tennis i mean it's so athletic and not to sound shallow but the fact you can actually see the athleticism of both the male and female athletes and you know you're seeing these attractive young women attractive young guys volleying well they're fit and young yeah i'm attractive yeah and i think sometimes the perception of golf that these guys aren't real athletes which is crazy because a lot of them are but you know you think of after you remember there was a canadian golfer dave bar of course the wall the walrus is that what they would call it no that's a different guy stadler that's great sad no no bar though because i used

to get the toronto star every day and i would go and i would go sports section first and they would highlight the canadians and what so so dave barr was always they put it in bold if you were a canadian that's right i recall so i would see d barr that was like it like there was never almost never anyone else yeah and he was sort of you know kind of a pretty average he was always sort of in the tournaments but never really sort of a mike weir status um i think just like in general the golfers don't have the marketability. But I'm actually just talking about LPGA. I think the PGA is a different story,

especially with Tigers involved. I think that's, I mean, that's in the zeitgeist or whatever. But the LPGA, really general sports stuff, I mean, having the best, having a competitive LPGA star is great. And i'm happy for brooke and she seems like a lovely person and she's very young and i hope she wins every major not that i could ever name the

majors but i hope she wins them all you could just tell me it's a major i'll believe it like in the lpga but i just think that that's very different than uh eugenie bouchard who was in you know majors in tennis uh that is big leagues in this country. I think that's a bigger deal. That's my feeling, my general feeling. But his specific question, I think, was something about how does this compare with the Mike Weir Masters? Do you have an opinion on that? Because to me, there's no comparison. No, I mean,

I think the CPGA Championship, a huge accomplishment obviously, but the Masters is the tournament. I think that's the tournament in golf. If you're going to win one tournament in golf win the math yeah so i think that's you know it's as big as the masters perhaps not but it's not to take away at all from the accomplishment and doing it obviously on her home soil is just such a great like feel-good story and again to your point she's so young um but so talented with such a long future ahead of her like it's very

exciting to see this and you know i feel like that's one of those moments we're going to be seeing at, you know, TSN or Sportsnet as their year in sports in Canada. And that'll be right in the mix. And I know that Brian mentioned the telecast situation. Hebsey explained this to me in the last Hebsey on Sports that this Canadian Open, the rights are held by Golf.com or something, not Golf.com, the Golf Network.

Okay. So, like, Sportsnet and TSN can't do it. rights are held by golf.com or something not golf.com the golf network okay so like it's sports net and tsn can't don't can't do it like it has to be golf i think apparently the canadian open in the men's side was the same deal like you can simulcast that i guess tsn would simulcast it or whatever yeah but tsn can't get the broadcasting can't broadcast it because it's owned by golf the golf network i believe something like that yeah and i mean like i'm not sort of a broadcast person but that sounds quite feasible and obviously like a lot of the major sporting leagues they're they're broadcast uh terms are just very specific these days and will vary country

by country so i mean that that sounds about right if that's the situation there i hope i got the right version of this next jam so uh of course this is a well-known song by a famous band, but you wanted a specific remastered version. I think I did it right, but you'll tell me earlier. Oh, yeah. Let's kick out this jam. Yeah, I think this is the right one. I tried my hardest. Thank you. We will decide Sooner or later

Sooner or later Sooner or later Sooner or later I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm Cynhyrchu'r ffordd y byddwn ni'n gwneud. Send me slowly Oh Oh Oh

Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh This is Blur, Sing, but this is the 2012 remastered version of Sing. Yeah, which sounds pretty much like the 1991 version but perhaps a bit cleaner um yeah this

is a really interesting track because it really does not sound like a lot of other stuff in the blur catalog um amongst singles they they had a single i don't know if you remember this one this is a low that was a little like this. But this song sounds like they wrote it by accident. This sounds to me more like a band like My Bloody Valentine, kind of a noisier, dissonant, sort of a drug song. I always liked Blur. I always liked their singles, but I didn't really have their albums growing up. I was not familiar with the song until I saw it in the movie train spotting and one of the big, uh,

Ewan McGregor on heroin scenes where perhaps he was like sinking into the floor or something. Um, but yeah, this song is just a great soundscape. This is one of my favorite actually running songs where I'm running on the treadmill. Cause that's that plodding beat.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Um, and it's sort of the ups and downs and the waves and the crescendos. Just a beautiful song. And similar to the Mogwai off the top,

this is from Blur's first album, Leisure, that came out in 1991. And these guys were so young when they did this. I think Damon Albarn, he's really going to go down as one of the true, true like real songwriting geniuses of our time and his other band Gorillaz got a lot more famous

worldwide than Blur ever was do you think so? I guess like similarly if you think of like a song 2 that's like a mega hit yeah and you still hear that in hockey arenas everywhere and even like Girls and Boys was a mega hit. Yeah, and you still hear that in hockey arenas everywhere and even like Girls and Boys was a mega hit. Yeah.

But your point's very valid that my four-year-old knows Gorillaz because they were in the Trolls movie. I can't really think of another person who led two massively popular bands that sounded nothing alike. It's quite unreal.

Plus he has all sorts of interesting soundtrack stuff and yet had another band the good at the bat and the queen with a couple of guys from the clash uh so just a real genius in my opinion damon albarn and i was never massive like i'd like blur i later got their albums i always thought they were more of a singles band except for the one album their second one modern life is rubbish i love i love the album title and i love that album front to back but we're just a lot of great singles but this song just doesn't sound like anything else i also think this one's interesting because most of their first album leisure was produced by stephen street who was the producer for a lot of smiths and morrissey stuff this was the one song on that album

that the band actually produced themselves. Because it just seems really mature and sophisticated for a band that were probably like 20 or so when they recorded it. So again, I feel like they almost wrote this song by accident. And it's just really unique. Well, you used the word soundscape. Because when I hear elements of like a day in the life,

like there's that, you know hear elements of like a day in the life like there's that that's that where you know i always like the day in life because it has that soundscape quality to it uh and there's a bit of influence there maybe but there's a great video on youtube of blur playing the song in 2012 when they reunited in in um in like the reading festival or something but it's interesting to see how they play the song because it's just damon albert pounding away at a piano they're backup singers the full band But it's interesting to see how they play the song because it's just Damon Albarn pounding away at a piano. They have backup singers, the full band. It's quite interesting to see how they pull that song off live and quite powerful, in my opinion. You know, now my brain's trying to come up with other artists

that led two bands with distinctly different sounds. And I can't really do a band, but I can say that the solo career of Everlast was very different from House of Cain. Sure. Well, how about Thornley? Big Wreck and Thornley. But those bands sounded very similar.

You can always do City in Color if you can do that, right? Yeah, actually, that's actually a really good one. Yeah, because I mean, certainly Alexis on Fire and... Or Ice-T, come on. Body Count was very different from... Yeah.

I know, you're right. There's a little... I like the City in Color or Alexis on Fire. City in Color is a good one. That was a good one. Thank you. Radically different sounds, if you will. You're right. There's a little... I like the City in Color, Alexis on Fire. City in Color is a good one. That was a good one. Thank you. Radically different sounds, if you will. Something for everybody.

Let's kick out another jam. Let's do it. The heart is a stone and this is the stone that we throw. Put your hand on the stone, it's the stone of a hope you know. They say we will go far, but they don't know how far we'll go. With our legs on the edge and our feet on the old water's edge. They say we can go far, but they don't know how far we've grown With our legs on the edge and our feet on the open horizon The heart is a stone and this is a stone that we throw

They say we will go far but they don't know how far we'll go It can be gone We still are here It took so long Can't say we heard it all This paradise Can't say we heard it all This parallel We stood so long We fell Tearing away from the day

The carrier song Oh They'll carry us on forever Beach House, 10 Mile Stereo. So Mike, Halloween is just around the corner. Do you like haunting things? Sure, yes. Because I always think of the music of Beach House as very haunting.

It's luscious. It's luscious. It's dance. You talk about soundscapes. You probably see a theme with a lot of these songs that I've chosen. I do. Whether it's Mogwai or Kendrick Lamar

or the Blur track or this one. I love these sort of dreamy, noisy, atmospheric songs. And Beach House, I think, is one of the finer purveyors of this in the modern day um they they just recently played toronto about a week ago and i was kind of sad because i missed them um i've been lucky enough to have seen this band four different times in four different venues

um the first time they actually played on toronto center island in a big festival show that was headlined by pavement and broken social scene beach house was headlined by Pavement and Broken Social Scene. Wow. Beach House was lower down on the bill. And I saw them at Lee's Palace and most recently at Danforth Music Hall. And also at the Cool House. Can we talk about the Cool House for a second? Yes, please. I'm sure you saw a lot of shows there over the years.

Yep, yep, yep. Because I always thought that was a very underrated venue. For the right band, I thought that was a great venue. I saw Beach House there. And one very specific thing I remember about that show, someone had an iPad in the crowd. I was recording part of the show on an iPad right in front of me.

So I watched part of the show through this asshole's iPad. You know, that's a comment. I was just at Smashing Pumpkins, and the person, my buddy Bingo Bob, and in front of us, a woman was recording the whole thing on her phone, and I was thinking, like, a little snippet here and there, maybe, like a memento or whatever. Yeah, like a one-minute. The whole thing? No one's going to watch the show that way.

I was just at the national concert at Fort York, and when they played their big hit, Mr. November, someone recorded that whole song on their phone, right in front of where me and my friends were standing. Pearl Jam gave us official bootlegs so we didn't have to waste our time with that nonsense. But the cool house,

it was called the government, then the cool house? Or was that next door? Well, the government was next door. It was formerly the warehouse. RPM? Was it called RPM? Well, RPM turned to the government and warehouse changed to the cool house. And now it's condos. Now it's like a whole. I think partially built condos, I cool house. And now it's condos. Now it's condos. Now it's like a whole.

I think partially built condos, I'm sure. I think it might be built. I don't know. I was just there like a couple of weeks ago and I thought it was built. But yes, it was a great venue. I saw a lot of cool bands there and I miss it. That was a cool venue. Yeah, it was a good size.

And again, I think if you're a noisy band, it would work. Like I saw Radiohead there i saw sonic youth radiohead would be great yeah yeah yeah as i saw their uh interpol all sorts of people and including beach house i thought they were they were great well one small fun fact and this is actually a song i was good upon this list which would have been a bit of a uh a swerve uh the theme to the song or to the movie, Summer 42, The Summer Nose. Do you know this song?

Well, the famous, that's a famous instrumental, right? Yeah. Yeah. Like Henry Mancini would record it. Absolutely.

Yeah. So that's by a French composer named Michel Legrand, who's actually, I think the uncle of Victoria Legrand, the singer from Beach House. Get out of here.

Yeah. And I figure it's the end of summer. That's sort of a coming of age tale in New England. That song is, it's maybe, everyone out of here. Yeah, and I figure it's the end of summer. That's sort of a coming-of-age tale in New England. And that song is, it's maybe, everyone would recognize that song. Yeah, I guess,

talk about haunting. Like, that's a very haunting song and we're here at the end of summer. I thought that might be appropriate, but didn't quite make the cut by thought throwing in some Beach House might tick that box anyway. And of course,

Summer of 42, which I've, it's Andy, what's her name? The brunette who was in that movie. She dies of the, I don't want to do any spoilers or whatever, but what's her name? Andy?

In the movie? Yeah, what's the actress's name? I've actually never seen the movie. I'm just sort of aware of what it is. Very good. It's like a coming of age tale. But then the Simpsons did their episode in which they called it The Summer of 4'2".

It's the Simpsons homage to Summer of 42. Love it. Brother, this has been fantastic. We're about to kick out your final jam here, which has got an appropriate title, I'd say. So is there any other Twitter things you want to drop on us before I play out the final jam? I know you're not here in an official Twitter capacity.

Yeah. But is there anything you can... Well, I'll say something we've been setting up and look for more of this this fall. We've touched a little bit about NHL hockey, talking about Dave Boland. That was before we started recording. Oh yeah, that's right.

We haven't even talked about the Legends of Lakeshore with Oscar Peterson and Dave Boland. No, I was just going to say, look this fall, we're actually going to have a new hockey program from Rogers Sports at Ice Surfing, which is similar to when they used to have Diamond Surfing on the score back in the day. I was at the upfronts, thanks to your invitation.

That's right, yeah. You and Ellen Cross. Yeah, exactly. So look for Ice Surfing coming soon to kick off with the new NHL season. We're pretty excited about that. And yeah, Mike, we might be having some events, so I'll let you know if we're having some events.

And let me know what the dress code is so I don't make a fool of myself again. Absolutely. Yeah, you'll need pants this time. Oh, sheet. I don't know if I can attend that. Well, it'll be October. I like the pants optional events. Well, yeah, certainly in the summer months. I'll come as an now that TMDS has launched, I'll be

Mike from TMDS. Well, again, now you know that you're in the media, as myself and Elvis have told you. Yeah. I did not know that. So now that I know that, I want to be at all these up-fronts. It's important to me.

Fantastic. Let's kick out your final jam. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, I got a thought about how you, how you, how you'd be home soon. How you, how you'd be home soon. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, Last night I went out with this guy This guy He was nice He was nice and cute But he

He wasn't you You say that We're just friends But I want this till the end You say that we're just friends, but I want this till the end. You say that we're just friends, but I want this till the end. The end. Till the end. The end.

Till the end. The end. The end. Best host. Now, has anyone ever put The Doors, The End on their list? Not yet, but here's a teaser. The very next jam kicker is tomorrow. Some guy named Jeff Woods.

And I can tell you there is a song on his list from The Doors. Okay, that totally makes sense based on what I know of Jeff Woods, who's also been on the Completely Ignored podcast too. So there you go. And you, did it move? I just want to know, like, I'm a heterosexual guy, but when Jeff is talking on that microphone. He's a fantastic pipe.

I think about that. Yeah, no, he's Tom Cam from the Completely Ignored, so hi. Yeah, so this this song also called the end thought would be a good place to end uh yeah the band best coast out of california i mean sort of the girls with the guitars playing kind of punky music is always gonna be a good mix for me i i threw them on here too because this was actually the first band my daughter katie ever saw uh best coast played a free concert during North by Northeast

a couple years ago. Young Dundas with the new Pornographers headlining. And we stayed for about 20 minutes at Best Coast. Katie was very young at the time but was a good sport about it. They also had some guys doing skateboard tricks. It was some kind of like Red Bull promotion. So she was more interested in that.

But we heard a few Best Coast songs. I'm not sure if they played The End that time but uh i i love this band and highly recommend it i love all their stuff they put out i think they're fantastic and a bit underrated and i don't know why they're not more popular last night uh my wife and my oldest daughter were watching an episode i think an early like maybe season two episode of the office and they they were at, I think, of course, at Chili's or something. And the song in the back, I could hear a song in the background

and it was the new pornographers mass romantic. Really? In that episode. Okay, a little can-con. And I perked up. I thought, hey, that's the new pornographers. That's the one like... Yes, yes.

I think that's probably their biggest hit. They have another, they have a couple of big ones. I think so. They've had hit. They have a couple of big ones. I think so. They've had quite the run, like almost 20 years now. The end, my friend. This is the end. That was fantastic. Cam Gordon, we have to come up with excuses for you to come back.

So if you have any ideas, like, I don't know, 10 first singles from the follow-up to a band's breakthrough album. Anything like that. From the years 1990 to 2000. Oh, yeah, that's true. All our stuff would be like early, mid-90s. Absolutely, yeah. Or Canadian One Hit Wonders.

That would actually be fun, Canadian One Hit Wonders. Absolutely, we could do that. Well, let's spitball some ideas. I'd love to come back anytime. The Inca Dells, they're One Hit Wonders, right? Yeah, we've got Molly back. We'll do a freeway. Oh, Celebration?

No, what's it called? Celebrate? Because they had a 100-watt bulb, but they also had Celebrate? Did they? I don't know. Maybe the wild strawberries. I'm trying to think. There's so many.

They went to U of T, you know, the wild strawberries. They were doctors or something. Something like that. I feel like this is just going to go on in perpetuity. All right. We almost ended there, but please, I want to see you and Stu Stone. I want to see you on September 12th at Great Lake Brewery. I'm going to do my best to wrangle.

Maybe some of the old crew as well from Thornhill. Oh, man. Remember, just tell them, no cover and a free beer. Can't beat that. And good beer, too. Fantastic. Not buck a beer nonsense. And that brings us to the end of our 369th show.

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