Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Chinyere Eni-McLean: Toronto Mike'd #874

Episode Date: June 28, 2021

Mike chats with Chinyere Eni-McLean about her African and Indigenous roots, intergenerational impact of historical trauma, her battle with childhood cancer, the invisible backpack she carries daily, and how she's risen above it all.

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Pillars of the community since 1921. And Mike Majeski. Or as I call him, Mimico Mike. He's the real estate agent who's ripping up the Mimico real estate scene. Learn more at realestatelove.ca. Hi, Mike. From torontomike.com. And joining me this week is Chiniere Enni McLean. Hello, Mike.

Chiniere, you told me I could call you Chi. Yes. So I'm going to hold you to that, okay? Because I'm sweating buckets trying to say Chiniere. But how did I do? You did pretty darn good. You say it now so I can be the judge of that. Chignere.

Chignere. You got it. Nailed it. Good. So I'll fix that in post then, essentially. I'll fix it in post. Really glad we could make this happen. So for those who are listening to the podcast, I won't reveal where I am.

I'm going to save it till the end of the episode, but I'm not in my normal TMDS backyard studio. So I've relocated to an undisclosed location, but there'll be a big reveal at the end of our conversation as to where exactly I am. But Chi, I think you're kind of amazing here. So I'm just going to ask the FOTMs to buckle up and hold my hand because we're going to go on a little bit of a journey here.

We will. So let's start. I want to start, if it's okay, by exploring your roots. So maybe tell me a little bit about your father and mother. Sure. Go way back. So my dad grew up in Anambra State in Nigeria. So he came to Canada after fleeing the Biafran War.

Very, very dynamic, very amazing dad. And then my mom is from Little Pine First Nation in Saskatchewan. So we're Cree. And yes, she's amazing as well. Fantastic parents. And then I have the benefit of a stepmom who is my mom, who is Dutch-Canadian and grew up in Chatham. She would be devastated. I saw Netherlands

lose in the Euro Cup yesterday. She'd be oblivious, actually. Okay, okay. So your father, your father's doctor, Godwin Eni. Yes. Nigerian, and your mother is Cree. Yes. And just a little more, I saw some

kind of cool stuff your dad's been involved in globally. Maybe pump his tires a little bit here. Oh, you know what? I'd be happy to. So not only is he an amazing dad, but in his day job, he was the first physiotherapist to graduate from the University of Abaddon in Nigeria. And he came to a cold and lonely Saskatoon to practice physiotherapy. And he went on to teach at the University of British Columbia, faculty of medicine there, and run the UBC hospital.

And then he went on to international health consulting. So went to impoverished nations where their health care systems were not set up. And he would consult to try to improve things. So he's, you know, you could find him in the bush in Sierra Leone or in Bangladesh and all over the world. So he's a really, really interesting guy. And back home in Nigeria as well, right? And back home in Nigeria, exactly.

Okay, let's explore your mom's side. So you mentioned your mom is Cree. Yes. I mean, there's some great history here too, right? Like, let me, tell me a little bit about your mom's side of the family. Oh, for sure. She, so my mom name, my mom's name is Liza

and she grew up in Little Pine First Nation with my Mushum and Cookum, which are my grandma and grandpa. We descend from a chief, chief pound maker who actually fought with Louis Riel to help free the Cree nation. That's what I'm looking for. Oh, wow. Okay.

So, and sorry, what was the chief's name again? Chief Poundmaker. Poundmaker. Yeah. Yes. Treaty 6 territory in Saskatchewan. I mean, we all learn about Louis. That's something we actually learn in Canadian history, like Louis Riel.

Yes. Wow. Now, that's something we actually learn in canadian history like louis real and uh wow now that's awesome and she also i should i would be remiss without the news to acknowledge that she is a survivor of the residential school system so ran away four times and and uh is definitely a hero considering all that she went through as a young young woman okay can you can you speak a bit more on that because of course course you're right, that is all over our news. I mean, Canada Day is Thursday and I was telling Monica, like I'm taking a pass this year.

Like I was just not in it, right? No. It's not in me. I mean, that's significant in its own right. But these atrocities that are being uncovered and reported from residential schools and this is all tip of the iceberg stuff, right? Oh, totally.

Like it's, i know the general public is shocked but it's been known for some time and very very difficult to digest if you're used to compartmentalizing as i am when you read the news and this is something that's obviously really really personal now yeah now as an indigenous woman though uh i'm curious because where i'm going with this is something referred to as intergenerational impact, the historical trauma. Right. Because on your mom's side there, well, we can call it genocide. Yes, absolutely. So that's a fair term to use here.

Yes. I can't imagine, you know, the historical trauma with regards to that. trauma with regards to that. But please just like, just share with us how, like, like, like the, the intergenerational impact of this historical trauma. You know, it's interesting because it only, even though this is my life, my story, you find ways to deal with things, but it wasn't until this year, I realized I feel kind of like an adopted kid. And that's because as a result of enduring horrible conditions in a residential school, my mom was also almost murdered four times in her life as an Indigenous woman. And she struggled with many things. I'd call her brilliant, but she never graduated high school as a result of running away and has really built her life brick by brick in different areas that she's excited about.

So today she's a business owner, an entrepreneur. She has a hair studio in Saskatoon called Liza's Last Stop. What really happened when it came to my sister and I was this intergenerational trauma of not being able to have our mother growing up because she had some work to do on herself. And so just before I turned four years old, she decided it would be in our best interest to go live with my dad in Vancouver. And because of that, we were separated from my sister's first language is Cree, you know, our culture, our, you know, everything. And so it displaced us because of the residential schooling impact. And we've had to really come back to our culture as adults growing up to really find our way again. And that bond, that break is, it's very, very difficult when you think of it over a lifetime and how much it changes you. Well, I can't imagine. That's why I'm so glad we're talking about this. Do you speak Cree? I know some words, but no, I don't. My elder sister is partially bilingual,

but my dad only spoke Igbo and my mom only spoke Cree. So hence we speak English. Right. That makes sense. Now, you mentioned your mom was almost killed four times uh yes would you elaborate on that is that too personal you know i can i can share one story um when because my mother went through a lot she was victimized unfortunately um at a very young age and when that happens um it can it can really uh, you know, that pain and that trauma can attract individuals that may have difficult backgrounds. And so one of the times she was almost murdered was a boyfriend who was on death row, you know, and, you know, got out. He, you know, he almost murdered her in a fit of rage. And she went on to have some difficult,

difficult times in her life with men and really trying to find her own way as a young woman. And so really, you know, this past May for Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women's Day, you know, she spent some time telling me a little bit about that time in her life. And she's super courageous, super courageous and brilliant. But when I think of what she had to endure, it's very, very sobering. Yeah, without a doubt. Now, I know your dad lives in Toronto, but where does your mother live today? So my mom lives in Saskatoon.

She's married to my stepdad, who's Swiss. And they have a beautiful son. And we have a big family. And my stepmom and dad live near me in Toronto. Okay, so your father's Nigerian, your mother's Cree. How have these cultures shaped you, Chi? Like how have they created the woman before me here? My sister and I call ourselves Creebo.

So we see ourselves as African Indigenous Canadians. And I guess we have a bit of a hybrid identity. You know, growing up with that strong Igbo father, there's certain cultural traditions that I respect. So, for example, I will never pass something to you in my left hand. We pass it on the right hand, show respect. And so I cook the Nigerian food, but I don't speak the language. So I have certain pieces of that that influenced me from growing up, and it's mainly on the cultural tradition side.

And then on the Indigenous side, it's more around, I would say as an adult, I really connected with the culture and felt very at home there. So after having a welcome home kind of round dance in my community and really becoming curious about history, it has been so fun, but also so sobering to learn about the history and culture. And so I see myself as a hodgepodge Canadian, I guess you could say, because obviously growing up Canadian,

I don't look black, I don't look Indigenous, I kind of look maybe West Indian and sound Canadian. So a little bit of this and a little bit of that. Yeah, but that's kind of the beauty. I like to think that's the beauty of this country, right? This is the cultural mosaic. So, you know, you imagine African, indigenous, Canadian. That's pretty cool. Yes. You know what? It is pretty cool. It's kind of neat. I'm jealous, to be quite honest with you here. I could use a little. Come on. I'm jealous.

So, okay. So we've talked about how these cultures have shaped you, but could you speak to, this is kind of an interesting concept, I think, that you could have historical trauma. Because when we think of trauma and how it shapes us, it's stuff we experienced in our lives, like since we were born. It's stuff we experienced in our lives, like since we were born. But the whole idea that, you know, you talked about, you know, what your people have been through, like be it the Nigerian side or the Cree side. Like what is historical trauma? Like what is that concept? Historical trauma. I mean, I guess we would say it's our trauma.

Everyone has stuff and we'll just, I like to call it an invisible backpack. So we carry around stuff from our family, from our growing up and intergenerational trauma in these cultures is pretty pronounced when it comes to the huge disparity relative to the average individual. So for example, you know, health disparities that we see within both communities, income disparities, that we see within both communities, income disparities, housing disparities, just the list goes on. And so when you have a bigger collection of stuff in your visible backpack, you can't help as a parent,

but pass on certain impacts that sometimes you're aware of and sometimes you're not. And I think that everyone has this stuff. So it's something we can all relate to, but the collection is hugely different for Blacks and Indigenous, unfortunately. Okay, now, I guess I'm curious, the big question on my mind is, we're starting to learn about these atrocities that we're uncovering with these unmarked graves and mass burial sites of Indigenous people

in the residential schools. And I already, the truth is like I was going to tomorrow night, I was going to do a pandemic Friday. The plan was in the months, this has been the calendar for months. We're kicking out the Canada Day Jams. Okay. This was in the calendar for months. And I went, I said to Cam and Stu, I said, I'm not feeling it.

Like I don't, I don't want to do that. And we're doing something completely different. We're going to basically celebrate pride month tomorrow we're going to kick out the 2s lgbtq plus community jams so and yeah we're all excited about that and that's going to happen somewhere undisclosed location uh tomorrow so that's so but what can we do going forward like how What can we do as a nation going forward to, I don't know, to somehow make amends and to learn and heal so at some point we can celebrate Canada Day again?

Where do we go from here? That's a big question. That's a big question. I know. I need some answers here. So, you know, I'd love to sprinkle some knowledge in this area, but it's hard and we're all still figuring it out. But for me, I would say as a general rule, start with I.

I think all of us can indulge our curiosity around Indigenous culture and history because I think as Canadians, we've skimmed the surface. And so I think being curious individually, finding out answers on our own, and then looking for ways to connect is how we can do it individually. But I also think there's huge potential in our government and society that is untapped. And it's going to start by looking at that, which we don't want to look at, which is this really ugly, horrific news that, you know, as much as we all want to turn away, I think this is the moment where we just have to see it so we can actually deal with it. So it's like, you know, first step is to acknowledge you have a problem. So is it like, yes, like, yes, yes, acknowledge the facts and the reality of this situation and the magnitude of the situation, then I suppose it really begins in educating our children. You've got a six-year-old.

I've got a five-year-old, a seven-year-old. Where, you know, to teach this in school, you know, we mentioned off the top, I remember learning about Louis Riel. I remember learning about the War of 1812, and we'd learn about Tecumseh and Big Bear. Yes. So there was some, but imagine we learned, we'd learn about Tecumseh and Big Bear. There was

some, but imagine we learned we should learn about this. We should learn about this and we should talk to our kids about it and it is so hard. I had a chat with my son just recently after the first grave site was found in

Kamloops, just out of Kamloops. Just explaining to him, you know, the differences in how people are treated because of their skin color, you know, what he thinks about that. And it was not an easy conversation talking about the news and what may, you know, what had happened. But for him, I could see he connected the dots and it came into his world. He's already noticed that he's had some teasing because of his dark skin color and makes a lot of comments on shade because of it.

So it gave him a space to talk about it. And man, it was heartbreaking, but you have to do it because eyes wide open is the first step for sure. They're talking about renaming everything with the word Dundas in it. Okay. This is a news. Literally. I saw John Tory put something out today. That's a lot of, that's a lot of stuff with Dundas on it. Right. I was on, I rode my bike on Dundas yesterday. So, uh, Dundas is everywhere. And, uh, I was thinking like, if, you know, one side of it is like, why are we spending all this money? Cause it's very expensive and renaming it.

And that money could go towards like progressing things further. But then so I can I hear that argument. I go, OK, that's an interesting point. And then I think, well, wait a minute here. Like like maybe it's money well spent. Like let's name change the name to something that celebrates indigenous history. And maybe that's something that kind of symbolism is far more valuable than the dollars and cents like maybe maybe this isn't uh necessarily a dollar figure on a ledger maybe the

the whole the whole the practice the symbolism the spirit of it all uh will you know is invaluable like i'm curious like your opinion on this like would when it comes to these types of things uh and i don't mean to put the weight of the whole community on your shoulders there but personally i'm all for it i think that there's so many things that can be triggering to those that are not impacted that right um that are really powerful and this is the time to do it you know right we we have a moment and part of it is cleaning house. And so in my humble opinion, I love the renaming. And I also think that we're so used to being insular in our thinking that we probably need to think a lot bigger and bolder than we ever have around what reconciliation can look like. And so we'll only get to that by getting through these small steps and taking some steps forward before we can start to get to a galloping speed. But right now, I personally love the symbolism and the removal of this triggering experience for so many.

I'm sold. I'm sold. I'm totally sold. I mean, I'm all in now. I'm all in now. Now, so you can speak to it from both sides, right? Because your mom's, the Indigenous side, your mom's Cree, you can speak to the whole Edgerton Ryerson, like renaming that university. Yeah, all for it. And of course, Dundas, the situation there is slavery and your father being Nigerian, you can speak to that side. So tear down these statues and rename

these institutions. Absolutely. More progressive. And when you see, you know, our environments are so inspiring. And so you want an inspiring environment for all and not just part of society. And so we have to reclaim public spaces in a way that includes everyone. If we're going to actually do this, you know, and it's going to be messy. It's going to be expensive. It's going to take some time, but the urgency is now. And I think that we have to take whatever steps we can or else it will be on the shelf for many generations to come and we can't have that. I'm so sold on this. You're so right. Okay. Awesome. Now, when I had your episode in the calendar, I was thinking, oh my goodness, like, it's like there's chapters here. Okay. So this is the, this is the, the roots, cheese roots, and we can speak to the

historical trauma and from your dad's side, your mom's side. And it's kind of fascinating that, you know, you got the African and the indigenous and here you are proud Canadian or not as proud as you used to be, but we're going to get back there. We're going to get back there. Okay. So now I'm going to ask you to take us back to when you were young, maybe eight years old or so, and maybe tell me the story and maybe even a little closer to the mic. I don't want to do that. Just a little closer to the mic.

Tell me Chi, when did you realize that there was a problem with your leg i realized there was a problem with my leg coming back on an airplane from saskatoon to vancouver when i injured it so uh going to see my amazing mom my sister and i went for a family visit going to see my amazing mom. My sister and I went for a family visit and we had a lovely time skating, you name it. And on the way back on the flight, I went to the bathroom and I tripped and I hit my left thigh against one of the chair railings. And by the time I got back to my seat, it was itchy. And that itch went on for the whole duration of the flight almost to the point of making me scratch through my skin and I thought something's wrong and you're so young but you know

this is not normal not normal no it was like fire hot to the touch it was starting to get raised I was scratching through and my sister looked at me beside me and she she knew something was wrong and I told my parents and they said oh we'll go the doctor doctor checked it out and said you fell there's a good explanation for that go home and rest for two weeks and that two weeks turned into me being on crutches and barely walking and going back and being admitted for a surgical biopsy to find out what the heck was going on. What was going on? I had osteogenic sarcoma, bone cancer, the same kind that Terry Fox had. It was utterly shocking because there was no history of that in my family that I knew of. And all I can remember thinking of was, oh my

God, I'm going to be like one of those kids in the milk cartons. I'm going to die. And kids that die end up on milk cartons. So therefore, I'm soon going to be on a milk carton. And it was devastating. I think it was the biggest memory around that time was the first time I saw my very strong African dad cry. And that was a moment of just utter fear and just fear. Yes. For something to bring your dad to tears,

that tells you that this is some serious business here. Yes. It was horrible. And he looked at me and he said, so after this biopsy, I come out, I'm in the room, my dad comes out, and it took a while for him to come in the room and he basically had locked himself in a room in the hospital and he was in a bad place and when he came in and sat down with me and told me you know he said which means favorite daughter

we're all favorites he said you have cancer and that's when the milk carton came in my mind. And I saw him starting to cry. And we looked out the window and there's this huge black cloud, which for Vancouver, you might say is normal, but it was really foreboding, like black. And he said, nay, in my culture, this is a bad sign. And I thought, okay, great. You know, I'm definitely not here. And when we started chatting and hugging, and both we were crying, we looked back out the window, and there was pure sunshine. And my dad looked back at me, and he said, Ne, this is a really good sign. We're going to make a sacred pact, a Nigerian pact, it's called Ibando. And I said, what the heck is Ibando? and he said it means if you die I die and if I die you

die and it's a pact for life it's sacred and I want to make that with you so that we could beat this thing and from that day forward I started living for my father my family because I was too afraid to live for myself. Wow okay so you mentioned mentioned terry fox yes and i'm doing math in my head and i realize of course that when you're eight years old uh terry's already passed away yes and uh i'm wearing my terry fox shirt by the way yes because i do the terry fox run every year i've been doing it forever because uh i was i'm a little older than you chi and i was like the perfect when terry was doing his run across the country, I was all in.

Like, this was a big deal for me as a young boy. Like, Terry was like my hero. And I mean, as you can imagine, and when Terry passed away in 19 or 20 or 21, regardless, far too young, obviously. Yes. Devastating. Totally. I do that Terry Fox run every single year and I've been doing it for a very

long and we all the whole family does it it's a like they know they all James 19 year old James knows on Sunday morning at 9 a.m he's going to be at Hyde Park because he's got to you know do the run and even if we walk we walk it but yeah so Terry Fox So you had the same didn't survive it. And out of the 13 of us that were treated at the same time, only two of us survived. Roxanne and I, so she lost her arm at the shoulder to a form of bone cancer. And I lost my leg at the hip level, the highest form of amputation you can have, or the 1%% we call it of the people that miss the most legs. I think that's their first reveal of this. Okay. Cause we haven't mentioned this yet. So the way they treated the cancer was, well, you tell me the specifics, but your whole left leg

was removed. Yes. So the cancer was in my thigh and it was spreading up towards my hip. And the worry was once it got there, it would be so much more complicated. So they treated me with a very aggressive form of chemo. And I went to school in the hospital and basically lived there at that time because that was before they believed that you should go home between treatments. And they also treated it by removing my limb when it got too close to my hip. So they cut right on top of my hip and removed my whole thigh bone and everything below. So where, you know, if you look at me, you will see no leg at all on the left side.

And because I don't even have what we call a stump, which we all hate that word, but I don't know what else to call it. but I don't know what else to call it. I wear an artificial limb that covers my belly button because I don't have anything to suction onto that literally the whole leg is gone. But that was the way that I had my life saved. And you were wearing, like, were you wearing a prosthetic leg when you were that age, like as a kid? No, I was so weak.

I looked, part of the trauma about having cancer when you're a little girl is it makes you look like a little boy. So I felt like I lost my gender identity as a bald brown kid that looked like the kids in the commercials, uh, overseas, um, growing up in, in Vancouver, which is not very diverse. Um, and it was, it was a very, very, it was a very dark time. Um, very, very, it was a very dark time and very difficult to kind of think about. But when I, when they took off my leg, it also felt like it was the end of freedom. And because I was so weak from the chemo, I was in a wheelchair for a good period of time. And that was very difficult to kind of see the world looking up and how people respond to you that way.

So a little boy in a wheelchair. And then after that, I learned to walk on crutches, the underarm and then the forearm crutches. And then after that, a pogo stick. So I had the best Halloween costume I think I told you ever when I was a pirate. That was the best. And then after that, I finally got fit with an artificial limb. And that was like kicking and screaming because I thought in my nine-year-old mind that I could hop everywhere and I could shimmy around just fine. And I didn't need this rigid, you know, rigid appendage to be able to get around. But I finally got it that it makes my life a little more easy. Okay. Wow.

Now, is it true they didn't have, like, a black prosthetic leg? They didn't. Okay, so you had a white prosthetic leg? See, I did my homework here. You did. They had only white feet up until I was in my 20s. That's amazing, right? Only white feet.

And you could get, like, maybe four shades, okay? And my older prosthetist had to dye um take some dye and and dye a nylon that would cover the leg but because he hadn't dealt with brown amputees before it was purple so for that whole grade three it was a purple stocking over but is that a vancouver thing is that a vancouver thing because there was just simply like it was. It was a cross Canada thing. A cross Canada thing. Because I dealt with the war amps. So the war amps being based in Ottawa helped me with accessing a limb without paying an arm and a leg. Pardon the pun.

You can say that. Sure. So they didn't have black feet. And it took years and years. And let me tell you, when I first got my brown foot that was made to match and I could wear a flip-flop which I didn't get to wear to my 20s either oh man changed my life okay now just to bang home a point you made uh just to make just in case people are kind of still absorbing it though but you're you're like you're one of 13 children in is it a ward and ward 3b in bc children's hospital 3b in BC Children's Hospital. Ward 3B in BC Children's Hospital, the cancer ward. Okay, so there's 13 of you with various childhood cancers.

All kinds. All kinds. And two of you leave that hospital. Correct. And you're one of the two. I'm one of the two. And I can't really describe it other than to say that for me, it felt like I lost people in my neighborhood because I was so used to seeing them.

I was so used to going to school. I was used to sharing a room with many of them and they would just disappear and I was not allowed to go to any of the funerals. And after a few times, you start to realize what's happening and you start to get afraid what happens when I go home. Does going home mean I'm going to die? Does that what they tell you? They say that they've gone home because usually the cancer is spread and they become a palliative care patient. So they will go home.

And I kept thinking the first few times, so-and-so is going to come back and they didn't come back. And then I finally realized people are literally dropping and dying around me and then I have to go put out my arm for that next treatment of what they got and the terror of that as a little girl was um beyond imagination um it was it was you know my day was in the morning consisting of terror around a blood lady, having blood taken every day, so much that I have only one good vein, and I'd look like a heroin addict growing up.

Then seeing people in pain and suffering, and then going to sleep wondering, will I wake up? What's going to happen? And I didn't know back then, because we didn't talk about mental health, but I had probably five years of dreaming I was dead and it's only years later I realize it's because most cancer patients have PTSD and I didn't know I had that but I did and there's a fact I heard you share with others about like childhood cancer survivors and regular employment and things like this that we don't even think about.

That if you do beat the cancer and leave the hospital, well, there's, you mentioned PTSD, but there's, there's, there's, this is back to invisible backpacks or is this? This is invisible backpacks. This is like heavy luggage where the world and, you know, I, I wanted to believe that once you leave that hospital door and you've gone through your five years of remission and you really have no cancer left, that you are done. And people celebrate that you're done and you think you're done. But then comes the late effects that everyone has these different outcomes, but they are there. And they affect about three quarters. So 75% of cancer survivors deal with debilitating chronic life effects from the medications things like for me i'll just throw it out there a quick example is in my 20s

developing high blood pressure like a six-year-old woman not normal but the result of the um cancer treatment and so every few years something will pop up and i realize oh it's because i had methotrexate or x drug and i look it up and i go oh my god how lucky am i that i didn't have all of them but i'm getting this one this year um it's a very very difficult one and and one that frustrates me you could probably hear the passion in my voice but yeah this late effects thing is um is a huge deal and we don't talk about it enough. We don't talk about it at all. Yeah. Yeah.

And it's changed my life. Like I think it's made me a more empathetic person, a kinder person, because when you have to deal with surprises all the time, you learn to roll with it. But at the same time, what we can do to really nurture cancer survivors with being sensitive to that and understanding that aging will look different for them and and that's uh that's kind of a double whammy that is happening in silence around the world oh i need to ask you and i hope you don't take this the wrong way because i'm glad but okay two of 13 yeah left the hospital uh and and hopefully the other one is still alive today.

She is. Okay, good. I was afraid I'd say something dumb. My friend Roxanne is. Roxanne. Roxanne. She's amazing. Okay.

Why did you survive? I struggled with that question my whole life. And I have something called survivor's guilt because I feel an incredible amount of guilt just not understanding that. But what I honestly believe is that I survived because of the love and support of my family who did a couple things that now looking back were brilliant. First and foremost was sleeping on the floor in the room. So my father or mother stayed every night with me. And I noticed later on that the kids that had less visitors or had their family who live out of town who had to commute died sooner than the kids that didn't have visitors.

So that was my first, okay, human connection lesson. It's a big thing here. The other thing that I noticed was that distraction offered a ton of healing. And so my father bribed me with a Disneyland trip. So my whole treatment, we took time when I was getting needles of dark fluids put in me and wondering what the side effects would be. He would not let me sit with that. He would sit beside me and chat with me about what our Disneyland trip was going to look like. What was it going to smell like? What rides were we going to go on? What was the temperature going to be? And he took my mind away. And when you're distracted, whether you're

an alcoholic and you're trying to deal with addiction or something else, distraction is a healing tool. And I believe my parents connected me well and helped me heal by training my mind, this brain training thing, meditation, whatever you'd like to call it. They did that. That's amazing. Yeah. That's amazing. Wow. Okay.

Now, my goodness, how was that training when you were learning to walk with your artificial limb? Like, how was that process for, for Yang Chi? Humbling. First of all, it was ugly. It was purple. It was heavy.

It cut my skin open because it would rub. But my training was my physio dad bringing me home with this pogo stick, which is literally like a plunger stick with a knob on the bottom that you don't slip. And he sat me in front of my He-Man cartoons and he would just slowly push me to the left, push me to the right. And all I had to do was catch my fall. And, um, it's kind of ironic as I look at my, my, my other thing I could talk about here. Well, you know what? I finished the thought and then we will have to address that. That's unfortunate.

So he taught me how to fall. He taught me how to fall by pushing me around at home. And it was the best training because it literally saved me a lifetime of falling. And so being a physio, who knew that would come in handy? But that was my training. And then I was forced to wear it because my parents thought that I didn't get how important it was and sure enough they were right because I got on at a young age and was forced to wear it when I didn't see the light later as an adult I can carry my groceries

home on my own I can carry my son when he was born I would not have been able to do those things the same way had I not been trained to use it. And you named your artificial limb, right? I did. His name is Charlie. Charlie. Good chap, Charlie. I like it. Charlie. Okay, so let's talk something in very, a recent accident. Now tell us what happened.

So you have one real leg, obviously, your right leg. You have one real leg. What happened to that one real leg, obviously, your right leg. You have one real leg. What happened to that one real leg recently? So I have a six-year-old, and we were playing hide-and-seek, which went wrong. So my son was hiding under a blanket. I'm their mommy on the one leg with the two crutches, coming in to watch a SpongeBob movie,

and next thing you know, he gets out from under the blanket, surprised! And I go flying. One of my crutches goes flying and I break my third metatarsal in my one and only foot. This is such a, this is my podcast. I'll just say that's shit luck.

Honestly, it is. So you broke your leg, which is tough enough when you have two functioning legs and then you learn to walk on. I've had that happen a couple of times in my life. You learn to walk on crutches because you still got one. Yes.

But when you have only one and you break that leg, how do you get around? How do you get around right now? So this is, I'm almost two weeks now. But man, has this been the most humbling experience? Yes. So I have been practicing. I have oven mints that I put on my hands and I sit on my bum and I use my hands to scoot around the floor. My husband carried me to the washroom.

I have a walker upstairs that my six-year-old will push me to the bathroom at night. And it's only the last couple of days that I'm starting to be able to put a little bit of weight on it. But humbling, like I have two other floors I'm starting to be able to put a little bit of weight on it, but humbling. Like I have two, two other floors I could go to other than the main one. And I go up my bum just as I did as an eight year old when I was saying, I don't need an artificial leg. It was that. And so I've, I'm grounded literally.

It's, it kind of sucks. But if anyone can triumph over this adversity, it's you. You've been, uh, well been well trained and groomed to overcome obstacles like this. And this is also for the listenership. This is why we're not recording in the TMDS Backyard Studio

because you broke your good leg. It's tough for you to get around right now. I'm sorry. That does suck. So not only are you carrying around these this heavy invisible backpack but now you got to do it with uh with a broken leg yes but here you are a survivor childhood cancer survivor uh you've got charlie uh who i guess you can't use charlie with the no way broken i'm sure i will be able to eventually, but with an artificial limb, your brain never fully accepts it.

And it tends to put more of your weight on your real limb. So there's no point in wearing it now. So you need your leg to heal before Charlie can spring into action. That's right. So I've got a double immobility now. Not even good use of crutches. And, you know know i'm down to the floor well attitude is everything right is that what they say now you can only laugh

like it's okay so now we we opened by talking your mom uh kree your dad nigerian we talked about uh how those cultures shaped you and the historical um uh what's the what's the word i'm looking for trauma historical trauma and now we're talking about your childhood cancer you have the same what's the word I'm looking for? Trauma. Historical trauma. And now we're talking about your childhood cancer. You have the same cancer in your leg that Terry Fox had. Thankfully you did. You survived. Looking at you right now, you

look healthy. Other than the fact the good leg is now broken. That's where we're at now. So now we're going to run down some pretty cool awesome shit you've been up to since you were introduced to Charlie. Okay. But I just, and again, at the very end, there'll be a big reveal. And then I'll come back to the beer because Great Lakes has beer for you.

We'll come back to that at the end of the big reveal. I have a frozen lasagna for you from Palma Pasta. Exciting. That's exciting. Because the lasagna is still, yeah, Pasta. Exciting. That's exciting because the lasagna, so yeah, this is a meal everybody will eat

in your household and more. You can, your dad can eat everybody, your mom, everybody. Now you got your beer and your lasagna.

You also have, and I know this is exciting for you, a Toronto Mike sticker from Sticker You. Incredibly exciting. This is a proper homage to a great podcast.

Well, this is a great episode, a great, great podcast. Well, this is a great episode. That's for sure. And yeah, that's a quality sticker. So thank you. Sticker you.com for your partnership. There is,

I didn't, Oh, I didn't bring it. Okay. There's some hand sanitizer there from Ridley funeral home, sent them over their pillars of the community since 1921. They want you to stay safe. So there's some hand sanitizer for you. Thank you. Thank you, Ridley Funeral Home. And last but not least,

if anyone listening is looking to buy and or sell in the next six months, Mimico Mike, or his name is actually Mike Majeski. He's in the know in Mimico. You can go to realestatelove.ca to reach out to Mike and have a conversation with him just let mimico mike know that toronto mike sent you and then let me know how it goes okay so you're very young when you get your prosthetic leg and you uh you beat cancer you survive yes this deadly cancer with they gave you what 10 chance yes and you kicked its ass and where did you go from there? I'm curious. Like you went to school, right? You went to the University of British Columbia?

Yes. I guess because my leg was not going to really work for me. I focused on the brain. So my parents were thinking, do well in school. Make sure you get a brain job so that you don't have to stand all day in retail. And so that's what I did. I went to UBC.

I studied a Bachelor of Arts. Loved it. Had a wonderful experience there. And then a couple of weeks after graduating, I told my folks, hey, Toronto. Went there last summer. Really like it. Oh, I'm getting old. Only two weeks after graduating university, you up and left Vancouver for the big smoke here?

Exactly. Sold my Honda Accord. Didn't know a soul and came out here. But why did you? Why did you? Because, you know, I've been to Vancouver. You got mountains. You got an ocean.

I mean, other than this week right now, I think it's like 45 degrees or something. Normally, you've got pleasant temps. I mean, this heat I'm feeling right now is nothing compared to what BC has this week, but that's a whole climate crisis. It's another podcast, paging Dr. Diane Sachs. Okay, so why did you want to move to Toronto? One word, it's cool.

Okay, so I came, I'm going to be honest here, I came Carabana weekend. Wow. Okay, I was studying French at University of Montreal in one of those summer programs came here had an amazing time and let me tell you being somebody named chinyere or chichi as i was called as a young person who's african indigenous canadian with one leg in vancouver i didn't quite fit in on the british property you could own that town though i feel like that you could own that

town like you're like a unicorn i could but at the time I thought I want to kind of be anonymous. And Toronto was the perfect melting spot for someone like me to just blend in and also get an opportunity. And so I knew Vancouver, we call it newly wet or nearly dead. And I wasn't either graduating university. So I figured this would be a much more fun spot for me to get in some trouble and also get ahead at work. And I see you were doing a ton of like volunteer work, like with the War Amps and the Canadian Cancer Society. You're heavily involved and different. I guess when you were a student, there was a you'll tell me, but you would connect groups of families who have adopted children of African heritage. What was that program?

connect groups of families who have adopted children of African heritage? What was that program? Um, so, so my friends and I ran a program, uh, with the boys and girls club and basically supported, um, adopted children from white families that were African heritage. And we, we were a group of black students that, um, every weekend were involved in really sharing cultural competency and like history and reading and playing. And it was a way for the children that were displaced from their home country to feel that connectedness between Canadian culture and their roots. And so we did a little bit of that. I launched a group now, Mosaic, that's still around at UBC, like a multicultural group. It was a lot of fun. I had a great time in university.

And a paper writes about you, right? Is that so? Yeah, we ended up in People Magazine, like the real People Magazine. The VP, that was like, that's fire. Pre-social media, that's how you go viral. That was the jam, yes. That's how you go viral, People Magazine.

Seriously, that's it. So, I mean, I want to hear you tell the story, but RBC reads this article, right? There's an article on the paper, or is this the People Magazine article? So this was Vancouver Sun newspaper, writes an article on four new grads. And they, so my uncle, his name's Tony, he writes for the Vancouver Sun and he writes,

he wrote a column called the cheap guy. Okay. And it was all about budgeting. writes for the Vancouver Sun and he writes uh he wrote a column called the cheap guy okay and it's all about budgeting anyways I got picked and so I was profiled being a person that was very involved in community that did well in school and had a lot of energy and excitement and RBC called me and so you know get this phone call the bank my dad yells puts it on mute, yells, Junior, the bank is calling. What did you do? I was like, what do you mean? Is that my student credit card?

Or what are they calling about? But they actually said, hey, we read about you in the paper. And we see a lot of what you're doing is leadership experience. We would love for you to come in for an interview. And I thought, oh my gosh, like me and banking. But it was, you know, which student wouldn't love to get that call? So as a new grad, I went for it, and I did an interview, and next thing you know, I was hired.

Well, you had demonstrated some exceptional leadership skill in all that volunteer work and initiative and stuff. And RBC said, we want she to be a part of our organization. So good on them. Yes, not lucky. You can. You got your gig at RBC. Then you moved to Toronto, as you said.

And I'm going to segue over to an event that's near and dear to my heart. Because when my, and I have to talk about it quickly or I cry. But when my good friend Mike Kick was diagnosed with esophageal cancer, we had a discussion and I registered to do the Ride to Conquer Cancer. Yes. So he was the first guy. He pledged actually 250 bucks the son of a bitch didn't have.

He didn't have any money. Wow. We were all giving him money because he couldn't work because he was going through treatments. And he gave me 250 for Ride to Conquer. I was almost mad he did that. But anyway.

Oh my gosh. Anyway. So he was the first guy to pledge and you have to raise $5,000. And then anyway, I did do that. And then i did the ride this is all about me you know chi here uh tronel mic here i did the ride to conquer cancer uh what's amazing to me is that uh you didn't just do the ride to conquer cancer although i do want to hear about the first time but you did it several times like tell me what what put the thought in your mind that you could

do the ride to Conquer Country, which by the way, for those who don't know, it's like 200 kilometers over two days. This is a two very long bike rides. Yeah. So I will be honest. I did not think about it in advance. It was not on my radar. The very first year they launched the ride, a girlfriend of mine at work knew I had gone through a bad breakup and said, you know, why don't you join me for the ride? And I said, what is this? I said, I haven't ridden a bike since I had two legs when I was eight years old. It's been a long time.

I don't own a bike. I don't need a bike. What am I going to do with this? And then I thought to myself at the last minute, this might be good for me to get outside and just try it. I'll go as far as I can. good for me to get outside and just try it. I'll go as far as I can. So I went down to a store called Wheels Excitement on Queens Quay and I rented a beautiful trike with a big white basket and I decided that no training was really needed because I wasn't really going to go far anyways. And so I showed up at the starting line with my crutches and a little bungee cord to tie it around

my bike and a rented bike. No training. A rented bike and no training. That's insane. And I thought, you know what? It'll be a good chance for me to raise money. And even if I don't finish, everyone will understand. So I figured I had nothing to lose. So I just showed up.

And I got to ask about the whole mechanics here as a two-legged rider myself. So you got the one leg in the pedal and it's just doing the, it's the energy up and down on the one leg. And then there's, you're not, there's no, obviously no prosthetic involved. Like you're just simply one leg pedaling. Yes. So my prosthesis doesn't bend past 45 degrees. So I couldn't wear it even if I wanted to. And so for that first year, I got a bandana and I tied my shoe onto my pedal,

and I bungee corded my foldable crutches on the bike, and I was listening to the opening ceremonies. It was the very first year, and they started telling these stories one after another. And then I started looking around, and I saw people riding for their mom and a picture on their back. And I was so moved in the opening ceremonies that I, I think that's when something happened in me where I had just

compartmentalized and just not thought of all of the losses as a child. But when I got on that bank, it was a mixture of frustration and sadness and rage at being disabled now and all of these lives lost. And, um, I just don't think I did alone, but I pushed and pulled with that bandana, um, for 200 kilometers. Um, and I knew that I was getting far because they had these sweep trucks and they're these huge Penske trucks that come around. And when you look really haggard they pick you up and so the guys would come by and say hey you want a lift no I'm good and a lot of profanity and a lot of sweat and a lot of tears later and all the signs coming down I finished and came into camp around seven hours after the last rider that they thought was on the road but I was

out there grinding for seven more hours after that person just, and I would push and pull with the pedal. And I did it. Okay. Cause when I did it, we, we all collected at Mohawk college. Is that the same? Okay.

It was Mohawk. It was amazing. But you gotta, I mean, you got, that's Niagara escarpment, right? So you've got a huge climb to get to Mohawk.

Like how you did. I had no idea it existed. Cause I hadn't even looked up the route and then i what i ended up doing because i didn't have enough power with all the lactic acid was i would crank my foot up yeah i would push it like a step and then i'd crank it up again and push it like a step and i did that swearing on the escarpment and i had a bunch of bikers that were there and they just kind of encouraged me and I it's what's amazing it alone it's amazing because you didn't even train for this

damn thing like what so when you told your father the good doctor you said I'm gonna do this 200 like how what was his reaction when he said you were gonna do your first ride to conquer cancer he just said no no no you're you have one leg you're going to ruin it this way. What are you doing? He said, this is a bad idea. This is a bad idea. You only have one set of joints on this side. What are you doing? My family told me, absolutely not.

And I did it anyways. And doing it was healing. I call it the most expensive therapy I've ever had. Raising that $5,000 actually got me to push through pain because I didn't know that I needed it. And I think that those 11 kids, their energy, their presence in my mind, I honestly believe that they helped me get to the finish line because there was no other good reason why I made it that far. Now, I did hear you tell a story of one of those 11 kids, I think it was one of the 11, but you had a good friend who lost her sight and then her hearing. Yes. My best friend. So, you know, when you get in the hospital,

you want someone to show you the ropes. And my good, my best friend, Jodi, she happened to be an adopted child, only child of her parents. And she had juvenile diabetes and she happened to have liver cancer as well. And so she had double the needles I did. So she was my instant hero. And she told me which blood lady was good, what food I could eat, what I could ask for. And she was a really, she became my best friend. And it wasn't until she went home that I had a couple of calls with her.

And the first one, she told me she had gone blind. And then second one, she went deaf. And then she passed on. And as much as there was other deaths, this was the one person I had the sleepover with that was like a sister to me, that we would have each other's backs. And I would say that that was the biggest loss of my young life.

And what was her name? Jodi. Jodi, so when you're doing this Ride to Conquer Cancer for the first time, are you thinking of Jodi. Jodi. So you, when you're doing this, uh, ride to conquer cancer for the first time, are you thinking of Jodi? A hundred percent. Wow. Jodi's memory. And I guess because I never, um, got to say goodbye really. Um, her memory is what fueled me. And, um, one of my dreams actually is at one point in my life, I'd love to find her parents. Just to sit down with them and have some closure because she was an incredible young woman. And I kind of think of her, I'm not very religious, but I think of her as my guardian angel.

She's always, always with me. And when I think I have some tough stuff going on, I just think of her and how much she triumphed. And that's who got me through the ride along with all the other kids. Wow. Seven hours after the last rider arrives uh you arrive at the camp and then of course the next day that's the best you wake up and say oh yeah do it again at least you're like oh mostly downhill on the way home but you just but but then on the other side of that coin you know you're exhausted from done doing 125 or whatever the day before 100 yeah it depends which route you took i guess but 100 the day before yes uh so you do this you do the ride to conquer cancer and then you're like i'm gonna do that again like how many did you do i did

five five years in a row and uh i i only stopped because i ripped my achilles tendon on the fifth year and i had to take six to eight weeks to heal that I thought, Ooh, I might be wearing down this one. Like I might just want to chill. And I also wanted to have a kid. So I did have my, my beautiful son, Isaac. Did you, uh, get your golden helmet? That's what you get at five years. Okay. So you could. I did. I love that thing. Now I'm thinking, why did I only do one year? I know why. Cause I, you're a prolific rider yeah I'm good at I can do 40 50 60 but yeah when I do over 100 which is not very often uh I get a pinched nerve in my back and I it bugs me for so long I basically only I did the one and done but now you're making me feel like uh

come on cheated five of these things on one leg you could do it of course I can do it I know all about the pinched nerve like this arm acts as my leg because I bear so much weight on it. It's quite a thing. Yeah, you know, I got no excuse. So I got to get my golden helmet. I have four to go, though. I think I got to get back on this, back on the bike here. Oh, absolutely.

Okay. And you were in 2010, were you one of the Olympic torchbearers? I was. That's amazing. It was so cool. It was from all this. I don't know. You don't do it because of this, but I do a lot of community work and I've done it since I was 14.

Yeah. Always. Kind of like three jobs. And so I got nominated to be an Olympic Torchbearer. And the coolest part about it, outside of just being there, was I got to go into Sick Kids Hospital. That was my, I went on the Dundas Square. Speaking of Dundas, we'll have to rename it Eaton Center at the time. And we got rerouted and I got to go into Sick Kids Hospital.

And even though it wasn't BC Children's Hospital, the moment of coming in as someone who was one of these kids and seeing four or five floors up, all the children coming out of their rooms and coming to check out the Torchbearer. It was waterworks crazy. It was amazing. And I just felt like I was holding the torch for them and honoring their experience.

It was an amazing, amazing memory. Well, here's a small world story here. So the aforementioned Mike Kick, who passed away at like 32 years young of cancer i know uh in fact he died he died three days after jarvis was born and that in two months before i did the ride to conquer cancer so he was diagnosed and dead in eight months actually uh but his wife is and he had a one-year-old with uh my good friend jordy jordy is now working at sick kids hospital helping with their, their fundraising programs.

Like she's like a coordinator of fundraising programs at Sick Kids. So there's your small world story. Oh my gosh. I'm goosebumps. And listeners will know Jordy from the Toronto Miracle episode. That was in my, on my backyard last summer. Cause we worked on this project to feed uh toronto's food insecure uh during the pandemic

there was a massive toronto miracle uh event to get uh food for non-perishable food items for our food insecure but back to you chi queen elizabeth diamond jubilee medal i don't know what it is but uh where is it right now like is that hanging on a wall why aren't you wearing it the metal it's not quite the chain that I can rock at the bank, but no, I have it in my office. Why'd you get that? Just because you're a cool cat? Why'd I get that?

Yeah, like why did you get the Queen Elizabeth Diamond Jubilee Medal? I'm not saying you're not worthy. I'm just curious. Didn't know how one got these things, but the War Amputations of Canada nominated me because since I was 14, I've been counseling new amputees, whether they're at the hospital or they've lost their leg or arm in an accident, or they have a congenital, um, uh, difference.

I, I've counseled families, parents, kids all over the country, um, for years and years and years. And they secretly wrote a nomination and uh i won this queen elizabeth the second diamond jubilee medal i had no idea but it was i mean you don't i it's a huge honor yeah but but what is the bigger honor is doing that kind of work is you don't forget people yeah wow 2012 you got that and uh amazing so congrats that's thank you i can't believe i'm talking to someone who won a queen elizabeth diamond jubilee medal it sounds very prestigious to me so many other i won't i know you're embarrassed at all this praise here but

you just joined so my my oldest goes to laurier uh university wilfrid laurier university in waterloo and you joined a board at laurier yes I'm on the board of governors. I joined this June. I'm so excited. An amazing institution. Honestly, good job on you, Daddy, for getting your son to go to some great school. Well, he picked it. I actually want him to go to U of T. Because then he can live at home. But I lost the debate.

So he's at Laurier. So I don't know what it means yet to be a board of governor. But that's exciting, too. But I'm going to sit on that in the Senate. I'm excited. We're almost here for the big reveal, but one more fun fact is that RBC did recognize you as a Global Citizen Award winner,

a top-performing employee who volunteers. And it's good that your employer is recognizing your greatness here. Honestly, that was a very cool thing too. It's just community work. And whether it's cancer or um you know indigenous matters black you know matters um you know being a woman at the bank um i just always have my hands in trying to lift up people wherever i can because people have helped me and i try to pay it forward and put good stuff out in the world. And I got this amazing recognition.

Well, I was actively looking for a black indigenous Canadian with one leg. I've been looking everywhere. Let me know. I want to meet them. I was looking everywhere. And it never occurred to me to just check next door. Like, just, okay. So here's the big reveal for the listenership.

I wish I had a drum roll here. But okay. angle will i take i'll take this angle listeners of pandemic friday so if you're just here for chi then you don't this won't mean anything to you because you don't listen to pandemic fridays but if you're a regular listener and subscriber of toronto mic'd you probably listen to pandemic fridays of stew stone and cam g. And you probably know a regular character on the program, the beloved Kareem. Kareem is a character on the program. And we'll talk about Kareem. Sometimes he drops by.

He just hangs out. Hopefully tomorrow night he comes by. You know, so Kareem is a regular and Kareem lives next door. I guess it's been about a year since Kareem moved in next door, approximately. And you are Kareem's next door. And I guess it's been about a year since Kareem moved in next door, approximately. And you are Kareem's wife? Woohoo!

Wow. Big reveal. Yes. So that name. Okay, I'm going to say it again. Chiniera? Chiniera. Chiniera.

Chiniera. Chiniera. Annie McLean. Chiniera Annie McLean. The McLean came from Kareem. Correct. It's Kareem mclean i just think that that's amazing that this this story that we all just soaked in which is unbelievable it's unbelievable i gotta

go listen back it's unbelievable is that you're kareem's wife and you live next door so we were gonna do now i can be specific because that's the big reveal, but, uh, do to your broken leg. We're on your porch right now. That's right. And I had a whack of internet issues, et cetera, et cetera. But I believe,

uh, and I don't particularly care if the live stream worked because it might not have worked due to the internet connectivity issue. All I care about is capturing this audio because she this was amazing like i'm so uh happy that you moved in next door it's like happy happenstance and your story is so inspiring and honestly i think like if you know she can do this i can do that it's like i have no excuses at all i get no excuses no excuses you know, you know, but thank you for inviting me and it's been super fun. I was

extremely nervous, but you were kind to me. But how did it go? You know, what was I supposed to do? I really just wanted to have a conversation about all these like fascinating facts about you and you were great. Honestly, and at some point you'll have to come back and kick

out the jams. But the beer, okay, so the Great Lakes beer. I know Kareem loves the Great Lakes. So there's eight. Okay, that's eight fresh cans

of Great Lakes beer. And you know, you can drink it too. But I know Kareem's going to want to bum some. And I'll get you more. But that's the eight for now and I'll get more for you.

I know Kareem loves the fresh craft beer from great lakes and uh i know thank you for being a great neighbor and uh for being my guest on this episode of toronto miked thank you mike it's been fun you're an awesome neighbor loved it thanks for having me you have to say that because otherwise i'll just delete this episode that's That's right. And that brings us to the end of our 840, no, 874th show. You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike. But Chi, is there any way, if somebody wanted to reach out to you,

what is a way they could reach out to you? LinkedIn. LinkedIn. Yes. Okay, then spell your name. Spell that name for LinkedIn. C-H-I-N, like chin. Y-E-R-E dot E-N-I-M-C-L-E-A-N.

Oh, it's LinkedIn. Just find... Chinure Annie McLean. I was about to give you my email. Yeah, your email. But then we'll put you on a bunch of spam lists. Yes, no. LinkedIn.

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