Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Cliff Hacking: Toronto Mike'd #1359

Episode Date: November 6, 2023

In this 1359th episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike chats with Cliff Hacking, founding president and CEO of the Electronic Products Recycling Association. They kick out recycling jams with many a mind blow and fun fact. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Ridley Funeral Home, Electronic Products Recycling Association, Raymond James Canada and Moneris. If you would like to support the show, we do have partner opportunities available. Please email Toronto Mike at [e-mail]

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Pillars of the community since 1921. Today, returning to Toronto Mic'd is Cliff Hacking, founding president and CEO of the Electronic Products Recycling Associations. There's no S on association. Welcome back, Cliff. Thank you. It's great to be here. This is my third time, and I loved every one of them.

I know this is going to be a fabulous session. And you got in my good books early, because just before I pressed record, you were praising something I did. And I said, Cliff, hold that thought till I'm recording this, because if you're going to praise me, I want it on the record here. You enjoyed a recent episode of Toronto Mic. I listened to a number of them, and I heard the Randy Bachman episode, and I loved it. The story of how he banged up his elbow and his son had to fill in for him.

It was just really entertaining, and I've been a big fan of Randy and when he was with Burton Cummings in The Guess Who, and he's been amazing, and that was really a great episode. I really enjoyed it. You know how to butter up the host. Well done, Cliff.

Now I will say I had a time constraint on that episode, which I don't love, but I understand, you know, when you get Randy Backman, because I heard you say Bachman and I'm told it's Backman. Okay, Cliff. Corrected. Got it. I educate you. I had like stuff I had to leave on the cutting room floor because i did steal like i think

i can't remember i think i got a half an hour with randy and i took like 42 minutes or something because i'm that kind of guy but i one of the questions i had to ask him was what do you randy backman think about the fact that the guest who still tours i think there's one guy left from the original lineup i believe but bottom line is they kind of present themselves like the guess who they play a lot of american festivals they break into american woman and these eyes and they play all these guess who classics but you know burden's not there randy you're not there i wanted to find out what he thought about that but i didn't have time for that question and subsequently there's a lawsuit now bird incoming and uh

randy backman have are suing the current guess who over like false advertising essentially wow that's that's an interesting story i didn't know that yeah this is happening now and we'll see where that goes but uh i always wondered there's an fotm i don't know if you've heard the sass jordan episode of toronto mic i haven't but I'll look it up. It's actually wonderful. But her husband, I believe, is, I believe he's the lead singer for the Guess Who now. Okay. And Guess Who, you know, again, they're signing autographs. Like literally, they'll sign an old classic Guess Who album and they'll sign over, you know, Burden's face. Like it's like they're basically like pretending like they're the, you know, the OG classic guess who,

but they're not right there. Uh, but one guy may be left, but there's no burden. There's no Randy. It's a, it's an interesting, uh,

story. Like when you see the guess who, what are you seeing? Yeah. Well, you're not seeing the two headliners. That's for sure. Dare I say,

Cliff, that maybe the, the guess who has been recycled. Oh, I like it. Recycled. Maybe reused. Reused. Okay. Well like it. Recycled. Maybe reused. Reused.

Okay, well, this is all tied in. Hopefully not abused. So let me let the FOTMs listening know that I have, all by myself, I selected choice jams, like songs that we're going to play. And then I have mind blows and fun facts tied to these songs. But all these songs were inspired. So I was inspired by the Electronic Products Recycling Association

and what you guys are doing with RecycleMyElectronics.ca. So what you're up to, which we're going to talk about throughout this discussion, is top of mind as I select these jams. Are you game to play along with me, Cliff? Let's have some fun. I'm going to start. Now, Cliff, I don't make any assumptions. to play along with me, Cliff? Let's have some fun. I'm going to start. Now, Cliff, I

don't make any assumptions. You look younger than me, but I'm thinking you have a couple of years on me. Are you a baby boomer? I am. Okay, there's no shame in that. I think that's... First of all, you had no say in the matter. I didn't choose when to be born, but that's a good time to

be born. Baby boomers are very excited this week because there's new music. I'm going to start with this song because it's going to segue into like a recycling jam. And this song I consider like maybe the all time recycling jam in a sense. And I don't know if you've heard it yet. So I'm going to play it. You're going to listen to it with me and we're going to react. You ready? Ready. One, two, three. I know it's true It's all because of you And if I make it through It's all because of you

And now and then If we must start again Well, we will know for sure That I Will love you Now and then I miss you Oh, now and then I want you to be there for me Always to return to me

Now, Cliff, for a variety of reasons, I deem this the ultimate recycling jam, really. It's now and then. Do you know who we're listening to? This is the brand new Beatles song, and I heard it for the first time driving here this morning. So I knew it was coming out. I'd heard about it. I was excited to hear it. You know, obviously they've taken John's voice from a recording a long time ago,

and I believe that Paul and Ringo did something live to support it. I'm not sure how they got George in there. George, I don't think it something live to support it I'm not sure how they got George in there George I don't think it's I you know I'm not sure there's apparently oh I see there's overdubs and guitar tracks by George Harrison from an abandoned session in 1995 so they do have some George in there but this was recorded you're right this was recorded by John Lennon in 1977 like just a home demo he did on piano but they didn't finish it because it was too, the quality wasn't sufficient. They couldn't separate the vocals from the music and it was kind of a sketchy demo, but suddenly the technology has arrived, you know, technology,

this is all good. It's all about you, man. It's all going to come full circle, but technology is at a point now where they were able to like restore that audio, like you said, through AI. And now that they had Lennon's voice extracted from that demo, McCartney could write new lyrics and apply some vocals to that. And Ringo Starr could play on that. And they added some George magically from a 1995 session. So this is a new Beatles song. It's fabulous. And it doesn't sound like a lot of other Beatles sounds.

It's new, if I can say it that way. It's new, and there's been some discussion, like, is this a good Beatles song? I would say the fact that we're chatting, Cliff, in 2023 about a new Beatles song that does not suck is a wonderful thing. It's great. It really is, and I'm a huge Beatles fan. Probably their later stuff more than the earlier stuff, I kind of came into it as they were towards the end of their time. But I have them as one of my favorites on satellite radio.

I listen to them all the time. This is the third Beatles song since, well, basically that has been restored since two members are sadly long gone. But the first two were Free as a Bird and Real Love, which came out with that anthology, the Beatles anthology release. But this one wasn't deemed good enough, even though Yoko passed it on, I guess, to Paul,

until this, and who do I, I think Peter Jackson is the man who helped commission this audio restoration technology that enabled them to do this. But recycled in the sense that here's new Beatles and John's been sadly dead since 1980. And it's also kind of a recycling title when you think about now and then, right?

And that's sort of in the theme of recycling too. It absolutely is. And it's great to hear it, to hear that they're back doing this and to see that both Paul and Ringo are still touring and alive and well and doing fabulous. Yeah, long may they run. Shout out to Neil Young.

Okay, so I wanted to play the new Beatles with you because I know you're a big Beatles fan and I thought that's the ultimate recycling jam but because there's cooperation from Paul McCartney, this segues nicely to another song I wanted to play when I thought of EPRA and what you're doing at RecycleMyElectronics.ca.

So I want to bring in, see if you can even name this tune. Bicycles for two Broken hearted Jubilee Parachute Tommy booze believe parachute

tummy boots sleeping bags for two sentimental jamboree bye bye says the sun in the shop window?

Why, why says the joke in the yard? I know, Cliff, you're the residential Beatles fan. I'm putting you on the spot here, but do you know what song this is? It's from the first Wings album, and I don't know the title. See, I'm not even sure it's Wings. I think it might be McCartney's solo. Like, it was on the album McCartney. Okay.

And what's interesting about this song, the song's called Junk. Okay. And basically Paul's talking about items you find in a junkyard. You listen to Toronto Mike. I'm always talking about, you know, when I have a guest on, like I know they've got old electronics

in their, you know, junk drawer or maybe it's in their attic or their garage and I know that one day they're going to take all that old tech,

those old devices and throw them in the garbage. And I'm always here to say, don't do that. Go to recyclemyelectronics.ca. It's funny because I had a drink the other night. We were at the old mill. A couple of friends that went to university. And one of the fellows said, I've got all these cables in my drawer.

What do I do with them? I said, drop them at my front door. He walks by my place all the time. I said, drop them at my front door. He walks by my place all the time. I said, just drop them at my front door. I will look after them. But you could take them to Best Buy or Staples or dial in your postal code and it's just dial in your postal code and it'll get you to the closest location to drop off your electronics. Okay, so we're going to talk more about that, but that's why I chose this song. This song is called Junk by Paul McCartney. And much like Now and Then, the new

Beatles song we just played, this was actually written, so Paul wrote this thing in 1968 while the Beatles were still a thing. So they took that trip to India, right? And that's sort of what inspired this. And then the band returns from India and he recorded a demo of this

at George Harrison's home and this was going to be part of the White Album. Anyway, it was passed over and it didn't make the cut, and it didn't make the cut for Abbey Road, and then McCartney's like, when he's solo, he's like, I'm going to record this myself. And it's a sweet little ditty called Junk. It is.

And the other thing, you've probably seen the Peter Jackson series, but I was fascinated to hear the number of George Harrison songs that ended up on his first solo album all things must pass because he he had four or five of them that he was doing right in the sessions and they never made the beatles albums he didn't get the respect he deserved in that band he did not he was kind of uh but mind you it's tough to get to airtime with uh those two you know just dominant players yeah i sometimes think it sometimes think it's like being William Nylander on the Maple Leafs sometimes, you know,

you got Marner and Matthews are taking all the oxygen. Meanwhile, it's like, hello, having a career year and a contract year. And he's going to do well out of it. He's going to do all right. That was a good deal we signed. That was, I think, 6.9 million. But well done for Dubas. That's a rare win, I think, for him.

But okay. So we're doing some leaf talk here. But Paul McCartney, there's a little fun fact. Another song, I'll just play in the background while I discuss more with you. But there is another song on the album, McCartney. So that was Junk we played. And then he's got Sing Along Junk,

which is just an instrumental version of the song. So it's like a longer instrumental version, I'll put it in the background, that appears on the same album. So McCartney, obviously a big fan of Junk. But what does McCartney do with the junk he's got today? He goes to recyclemyelectronics.ca. So before I kick out some more fun facts and mind blows

and some more songs that were inspired by EPRA, can you, Cliff, let us know, remind us, if you will, remind us about what EPRA is doing to keep these old electronics out of the landfill. Well, we do a number of things. First of all, we've got over 2,500 locations across Canada where you can drop off your end-of-life electronics for free. So keep that in mind. Just it costs you nothing and you're doing the right thing for the environment. We also make sure that all of the electronics that come back to us are turned back into products that

can be reused. And we have a high 90%, 96, 97, depending on the province, percent of what comes back to us that can be reused. And it goes back into metals, go back into various things that come out of, whether it's the lead ingots that come out of old CRT glass or copper yokes off the back of televisions. Those kinds of things all get reused and put back into the supply chain and the plastics get recycled as well. Over 1 million tons of electronics have been diverted from Canadian landfill and illegal export.

And counting. We're at 1.3 now. I was asking when we get to 1.4, and they tell me, hold on. Okay, you know what? You need to have that moment every 100,000 or whatever tons. The website gets updated. Like, this is a big moment here. It's true. But that's amazing.

Okay. And again, we'll touch on more things you guys are up to at EPRA. Because sometimes I get asked, okay, so, I used to talk about EPRA and then I decided, no, I want to talk about RecycleMyElectronics.ca because I thought it would just cut straight to the messaging. Like, I know Ian Service, who helps host the audio file everyone's listening to right

now, he listens to every episode of Toronto Mic and he learned about you from Toronto Mic and he had a truckload, literally a truckload that he was delivering to the depot. So how many depots across the country? More than 2,500, and they're easy to get to. There are a lot of municipalities.

As I say, you type in your postal code, you go to our website, recyclemyelectronics.ca, type in your postal code, and it will tell you the closest location. And just so we understand that these are accredited here, so EPRA, when you've accredited these places that we're going to, we can trust them to take the glass, the plastics, the precious metals, the gold, the copper, and properly recycle it all. Correct, and we not only inspect the locations that you drop it off itself,

but you also know that when we take this material, it goes back to a processor which we audit. And those processors have standards in place that we established a long time ago and have built on. And those standards require that you do things right, not just for the environment, but also for the health and safety of the workers that are there. And so that's terribly important.

And it guarantees that there's no export of your electronics to non-OECD countries. You're not going to find yourself on one of those videos that you see on television about third world countries where they're burning things to get the metal out of it. We don't allow any of that. No, good on you, good on you. So we started with the Beatles segment here,

now and then, and then we went to Paul McCartney's junk. here we're going to get a little more modern but not too modern yet but uh here's another song and there'll be mind blows to follow but here's a song i thought of when i thought of your visit cliff 3, it's a magic number Yes it is, it's a magic number Because 2 times 3 is 6 And 3 times 6 is 18 And the 18th letter in the alphabet is R Yeah

We got three R's We're gonna talk about today We gotta learn to reduce, reuse, recycle Reduce, reuse, recycle Reduce, reuse, recycle Reduce, reuse, recycle. Reduce, reuse, recycle. Reduce, reuse, recycle. Well, if you're going to the market to buy some juice, you got to bring your own bags and you learn to reduce your waste.

We got to learn to reduce. All right, the three R's. This is Jack Johnson. This was a song he recorded for a movie. I remember my firstborn being a big fan of this movie. It was Curious George. They made a movie, I think,

in like 2006 or so. And the soundtrack had Jack Johnson jams on it and this was one of them, Three Hours. The man with the yellow hat. You got it. Yeah,

the man with the yellow hat. I don't know, the kids, I don't know, my youngest two don't seem into Curious George. Maybe he's taking a break, but we got to bring that,

bring that piece of IP back for the new kids. But okay, so I have some fun facts and mind blows. Are you at all familiar with the work of Jack Johnson? Not a fan. No, really not. I feel like Jack. I've got to see what Jack's up to these days. He had his time in the early 2000s. Kind of acoustic, kind of acoustic,

kind of easy to listen to, you know, poppy rock stuff, like nothing too hard as you can hear. This was his jam style, and he had a moment, but I'm not sure what he's up to these days. But the three R's, which talks about recycling, I did find out that

this song was inspired by another song that you might recognize from your younger years. So I'm going to bring down Jack and I'm going to play a song that inspired this song we're listening to right now. Okay, here we go. Lots going on here, Cliff. You never know what's going on. Here we go. This song is going to bring back memories, I hope. on here cliff you never know what's going on here we go this song is going to bring back memories i hope as your body grows bigger your mind must flower it's great to learn because knowledge is

power three is a magic number yes it is it's a magic number somewhere in the ancient mystic trinity you get three as a magic number the past and the present and the future faith and hope and charity the heart and the brain and the body give you three as a magic number it takes three legs to make a tripod or to make a table stand. It takes three wheels to make a vehicle called a tricycle. Every triangle has three corners. Every triangle has three sides. No more, no less. You don't have to guess.

When it's three, you can see it's a magic number. Cliff, do you remember Schoolhouse Rock? I do. This was a Schoolhouse Rock song called Three is a Magic Number, and you can probably hear it, but Jack Johnson adapted this song for the three R's. Reduce, reuse, recycle. And the reduce is important. One of the things that our manufacturers do is continually work to redesign products

so that they're lighter, and we're seeing a lot of light weighting these days, so there's less material in there, you get the same functionality. And it's a big part of what we do. So reduce is important, reuse is important, and recycle is important. And all three of them are a vital part of what we need to do in our economy. Well, Jack Johnson agrees with you 100%, Cliff. Okay, so he, again, he wrote the song for the Curious George movie. It appears on the album.

I've got to give the full name of this album. It's called Sing-A-Longs and Lullabies for the film Curious George. Very formal title there. It's from 2006. Fun fact for you, Cliff. That album goes to number one on the Billboard 200. That's a number one album. Sing-alongs and lullabies

for the film Curious George. That's awesome. It really is. No wonder we're all into reducing, reusing, and recycling. And I will say, that's a sign of how big Jack Johnson was in 2006. I don't know if a Curious George soundtrack goes to number one in 2023,

but that was a different time. But I'm playing Schoolhouse Rock, which I remember even. That's how old I am, Cliff. But I have a fun fact for everybody listening. There's a lot of Gen X listening, so I think they'll appreciate this. I'll let Schoolhouse Rock finish,

and then I'm going to play a song that'll blow some minds. A man and a woman had a little baby. Yes, they did. They had three in the family. That's a magic number. Three, oh, it's the magic number Yeah, it is

It's the magic number Somewhere in that ancient mystic trinity You'll get 3 It's the magic number In the past, in the present, in the future Faith and hope and charity In the heart, in the brain, in the future Faith and hope and charity In the heart, in the brain, in the body You'll give your three

It's a magic number It takes three legs to make a tripod Or to make a table stand And it takes three wheels to make a beat If you call the tricycle And every triangle has three corners Every triangle has three sides Okay, Cliff, you've been pretty good at my trivia.

I think I'm going to stump you on this one. Can you name the artist covering this Schoolhouse Rock song, Three is a Magic Number? I don't think so. You need more time? You know what? Were you listening to a lot of alt-rock in the 1990s, Cliff? Yes.

Okay. Okay. Were you listening to a lot of alt-rock in the 1990s? Yes. Okay. Yes. Maybe the clue I'll give you is this, and then we'll see if you can nail it. What if I told you this band's biggest hit

had a girl in a bee costume in the video? Oh. Oh, no, I'm putting you on the spot. I'm going to bail you out. This is Blind Melon. Okay. So Blind Melon, their big hit was No Rain,

which had the beat girl in the video, and that was a much music staple in the, I don't know, 93 or so? What is that? Around there. Shannon Hoon was the voice

of Blind Melon, and here they are covering that song from Schoolhouse Rock. Sadly, Shannon Hoon no the voice of Blind Melon and here they are covering that song from Schoolhouse Rock. Sadly, Shannon Hoon no longer with us, but the fun fact I often drop about Shannon is that if you ever watch the video for Guns N' Roses

Don't Cry. Is it called Don't Cry or Don't Cry? He's singing backups on the top of the building in that video if you've ever seen guns and roses don't cry you'll see shannon hoon up there so there you go there you go the cover i thought it was a fun fact a blind melon covering that schoolhouse rock song that uh not only inspires i'd say is adapted it more than inspiration. He stole a big chunk of it.

But Jack Johnson then has the three R's for the Curious George movie. And it all comes to 2023 when we talk about the three R's and EPRA and RecycleMyElectronics.ca. See how it all works? It all comes together. But you're a listener, right? I want to point that out. You talked about the Randy Backman episode, but you're legitimately a listener of Toronto Mike, so you completely get the vibe of this thing.

I do, and I really enjoy it. I think that you do a great job. The diversity of the folks that you have on really is interesting as well. I'll listen to one, I'll get halfway through, okay, this isn't my jam, but then I'll get Randy Backman. You say we were talking about Leo Routens

being on probably about a year ago now, and, you know, even coming down and watching his head so that he doesn't bang it. And, you know, it's just, I find it really interesting. No, thank you. And what I did with Leo, because he came back a second time, and then I said, hey, would you come back of Rod Black? Because they were together on, they were on TSN together? No, they were on Sportsnet together.

No, TSN. Okay, TSN. I've got to get my big conglomerates right here, my cable companies. But TSN, they were together, and then Rod Black was let go, and now they're not together on the air, but I could reunite them in the basement.

So I think the last time Leo was here was with Rod Black, which was amazing. They were good together, too. Amazing. In fact, note to self, bring them back. I like to bring these guys together on this show, so I'm going to bring back Leo Roudens and Rod Black and find out how things go. And it's funny to hear them riff. Then you get the imitations. He does a good Charles Barkley. And then you get to'm going to give you a gift and I know you have a gift for me. But Cliff, I just want to say like from the bottom of this independent podcaster's heart. So it's, you know, I'm the only guy here.

You don't see a big team here. Okay. So it's all me, myself and I, and it's a lot of work. We're at episode 1,300. And do you remember your number here? I will cheat and find it. No. 1,359. and do you remember your number here uh i will cheat and find no 1 359 so you know we've been pumping out the content i got a episode coming up with sylvia tyson i have the guys from lowest of

the low in the basement tomorrow lots going on here at toronto mike but having an amazing sponsor like epra i can't tell you how awesome that is. I don't have a sales team. I don't have someone who's just picking up the phone, selling Toronto Mike. It's all me, myself, and I. And to have what I got from EPRA in 2023, it makes all the difference in the world.

Basically, a lot of people come and they do three months at a time, and then you got to renew three months at a time. And I have some sponsors that have literally been here for years, like Great Lakes Brewery, like Palma Pasta, like Ridley Funeral Home. But what EPRAs did is they said, look, we're committing to the whole calendar year. And what a huge weight off my shoulders that I know RecycleMyElectronics.ca are a partner of Toronto Mic throughout the calendar year. I just want to say thank you. I can't tell you how much that means to me.

You're more than welcome. And I was here just before you did your 1000th episode. And I remember talking about that it was coming up and it was going to be in the following week. And so that was exciting. And from our perspective, you're reaching an audience that is important to us. And we are really trying to do as much as we can. I mean, I do my own podcast these days. They're called A Welcome Diversion. And we pump those out to try and hit a different demographic. So it's great that you can do radio

and television. And we do a little bit of all of that. We do some print. But we need to try and make sure that we're reaching everybody. And your audience is important for us. And you reach across Canada, which is great as well. So we're happy to do it. Well, it's a mutual admiration here. Much respect to what you guys are doing. I love what you're doing too. And I believe in it and I love talking about it. So here's to many more great years, but I want to give you a gift. And then maybe you have a gift for me. I got a tip that I might be receiving something.

I don't want to sound like I'm expecting something cause I'm not, but I have for you in my freezer, a large lasagna from Palma Pasta. Awesome. Thank you very much. And what I have for you is a couple of bags for shopping. They're recyclable.

They pop out so that they can come, you know, combine and they're really sturdy. And of course, what do they say on them? Recycle my electronics. Because what else would you want them to say? Well, thank you so much. Those are very handy and I will use them with pride. And I have, you know, because that's such a nice gift,

I'm going to give you some fresh craft beer from Great Lakes Brewery. Thank you. And you mentioned your podcast. So shout out your podcast again. A Welcome Diversion. We've had, we just done three episodes again this year. We started out with Mark Saltzman, who's the guru guide, and he does a great job.

And he's an FOTM. He is, yeah. And so, you know, we certainly have, we've worked with him. I've had processors on from the plastics industry, from the battery industry.

We've recently done a couple, one including someone from Australia to talk about what's going on down there and how they're handling recycling. So for us, it's important to get the message out and we will be doing more next year. Okay. I'm going to give you a wireless speaker courtesy of Moneris. So yeah, you can re-listen to your own shows. Who does that?

I do that periodically, by the way. I also highly recommend you listen to Season 5 of Yes, We Are Open, which is an award-winning podcast hosted by Al Grego, who's been traveling the country, collecting inspiring stories from small business owners, and then sharing them on this excellent podcast, Yes, We Are Open. So you've got it right there. You've got a wireless speaker to listen to Al in Yes, We Are Open.

That's awesome. I used to watch Stuart McLean when he was alive and doing well. Final Cafe. Yeah, and this feels like I will certainly check out Season 5 because it feels like a bit of a trend or an homage to what he has done. Absolutely. Now, I also am going to just give you an invite because I know you're a West Toronto guy.

I will tell you that in Mississauga on December 9th, and this is for everyone listening as well, at noon, so December 9, 2023 at noon, we're all FOTMs are collecting at Palma's Kitchen and we're going to have a Pandemic Friday reunion. We're going to have a beer from Great Lakes Brewery. We're going to have pasta from Palma Pasta, our esteemed hosts there. Cliff, you're invited. And if you did show up, we have an open mic. We have guests who pop on the open mic

and we chat up during this live recording. So this is happening December 9 at noon. You're invited, Cliff. Why don't I see if I can't arrange to have a bin there if anybody wanted to bring in their electronics, they could drop them off. Do it. Yes, that's actually perfect.

We'll talk more about that offline. But yeah, let's absolutely do that. And then people can bring these old electronics when they come to TMLX14. One more quick thing for you. Do I have it on the table here? Yeah, there it is. I have a measuring tape for you from Ridley Funeral Home.

So that is for you, Cliff. You never know if you have to measure something. Thank you very much. That's awesome. All right. And I have more choice jams here. We're just kind of getting cooking here. Thanks again for that gift.

I got a note. So I put on Twitter that Cliff Hacking was returning and I'm going to kick out some recycling jams. And I received a note from Basement Dweller. I've seen Basement Dweller at a few TMLX events. Always great to see him. He wrote in and said, Shout out to the prototypical tree hugger musician Carl Wallinger.

I sure do hope that you kick out world parties, put the message in the box during your Recycling Jams episode. And I can tell you, I didn't have it loaded up, but I got the note. So I'm going to play a little bit of it and then get back to my jams. But this is for Basement Dweller. He said if you watch the video for World Party's message in the box, you'll understand why it's being kicked out as we kick out some recycling jams here. Were you a fan of the Waterboys, Cliff? I was.

So this is Carl's from the Waterboys and this is essentially his solo project. And if you listen now, you might hear a new sound coming in as an old woman disappears. See the world in just one grain of sand. You better take a closer look, don't let it slip right through your hand. We'll be right back. So this is for Basement Dweller. Cliff, when I'm always reading about, you know, the EPRA authorized locations where you can drop off the old electronics, and then I read about mercury and lead.

And then when I share this fun fact, people are always kind of surprised. They don't consider this part, which is that when you have the old electronics or the old devices, the old tech, that there are substances like mercury and lead that are bad for the environment, that these need to be handled responsibly. And that's another really good reason to go to recyclemyelectronics.ca. Keeps them out of our landfill, keeps them out of the water table. It's very important. You know, in many of the, especially the older laptops,

there's a mercury tube right at the top of it that lights it up. We take those out and make sure that we capture that mercury and it gets recycled. Things like the old, there's not many of them anymore. They don't make them anymore, but the rear projection televisions have ethyl glycol in them, so you want to capture that. It's basically antifreeze, again, something you don't want going into the water table.

So all of this, these are all products that we end up being able to recycle and put back into proper use. Back into the manufacturing supply chain and make new products and the health and safety of the workers. Handling them is looked after, you know, the environment is protected. A million and one good reasons to go to recyclemyelectronics.ca. Amazing. Okay, so thank you, Basement Dweller.

Now back to my choice jams. Here's not really a song, so I'll just play a bit of it. Sylvia Stout would not take the garbage out. She'd scour the pots and scrape the pans, candy the yams and spice the hams. And though her daddy would scream and shout, she simply would not take the garbage out. And so... I would say you want to sing along to it. It's not really a sing-along. It's more of a

say-along. But do you know this song? I do know it. I do know it. I used to do this with my daughter. And how old are these kids now? Fifteen. Grade eleven. Grade eleven. Okay. Good memories there. Okay. So this is called

Sarah Cynthia Sylvia Stout Would Not Take the Garbage Out. And who's the artist? Who's the author behind this? Whose voice are we hearing here? Oh, man, I don't know. All right, so here's where the fun facts come in. But I had the book. Shel Silverstein.

So Shel Silverstein is a very famous children's author. Some of the big works that you might know from Michelle Silverstein are The Giving Tree, Where the Sidewalk Ends, A Light in the Attic. I mean, he's a big deal. 20 million copies have been sold of Michelle Silverstein books. But this is where the mind blow comes in. You know, I can't just play a song. I've got to have some kind of a mind blow.

So we'll bring down, again, we'll bring down Sarah Cynthia Sylvia Stout, Would Not Take the Garbage Out. And here's a mind blow, a song you definitely know. Well, my daddy left home when I was three and he didn't leave much to maw and me. Just this old guitar and an empty bottle of booze. Now I don't blame him cause he run and hid, but the meanest thing that he ever did was before he left, he went and named me Sue. Well he must have thought that it was quite a joke and it got a lot of laughs from lots of folks.

Seems I had to fight my whole life through. Some gal would giggle and I'd get red and some guy'd laugh and I'd bust his head. I'll tell you, life ain't easy for a boy named Sue. Well, I grew up quick and I grew up mean. My fists got hard, my wits got keen. Roamed from town to town to hide my shame. But I made me a vow to the moon and stars. I'd search the honky-tonks and bars and kill that man that gave me that awful name. Well, it was Gatlinburg in mid-July. I actually don't want to fade it down.

I do like the story, even though I've heard it a thousand times. Who are we listening to here? Johnny Cash. It here? Johnny Cash. Definitely Johnny Cash. This is a boy named Sue. And he finishes it by saying he's going to be named anything but. I'll bring it up for that. That's a great, great conclusion.

So here's your fun fact. So the song A Boy Named Sue by Johnny Cash peaked at number two on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 back in 1969, I believe. Who do you think wrote this song? Oh, there's a good question. I don't know. Shel Silverstein. I should have picked it up. It's still early in the morning, Cliff.

Yeah, this was written, 100% written by Shel Silverstein. He wrote this hit song for Johnny Cash. Wow. The same guy who wrote Sarah Cynthia Sylvia Stout would not take the garbage out, wrote A Boy Named Sue. Wow. All right.

Johnny Cash, have you ever had the pleasure of seeing Johnny Cash perform live? I have not. Seen the movie, but not seen him live, no. Movie was great, right? Joaquin Phoenix became Johnny Cash. Yeah, it was awesome. Walked the line, walked the line. And Reese Witherspoon, right, was June Carrey? Yes, she was. Amazing story. Yeah, Johnny Cash, I remember, I'm going to go like the mid 80s late 80s maybe when uh johnny

cash became known for the uh canada trust uh cash machines remember this i do and it's like i was i'm a bit younger than you so it's like my first johnny cash exposure was uh although i'm johnny cash like the cash machines from canada trust now it's part of td canada trust but that's like my intro to this guy Trust now it's part of TD Canada Trust but that's like my intro to this guy and then it's like oh

and then you have to kind of go back and learn about Ring of Fire and all this important musical history Folsom Folsom

he shot a man in Reno just to watch him die yes alright we're gonna let Johnny take us home and then I got more fun jams for you. I got all choked up and I threw down my gun.

Called him a pawn, he called me a son. And I come away with a different point of view. And I think about him now and then, every time I try and every time I win. And if I ever have a son, I think I'm going to name him Bill or George, any damn thing but Sue. I still ain't that man.

Yeah. So shout out to Shel Silverstein. Here's something a little different. And in the way you crawl across the cat house floor And in the way you curse me when you slam the bedroom door And ain't the way you sweat me for a handful of easy cash It's just the way you love me when you turn to trash Trash All right, Cliff, we know you're a big Beatles guy.

Any love for Alice Cooper? Absolutely. I mean, Alice has had such a lengthy, interesting career, but I will just shout out my first best friend. His name is Joe. People listening to this program might know him as Joe from T.O. Joe and I became fast friends in junior kindergarten

at St. Cecilia's on Annette Street. And Joe and I would hang out in like grade 9 and he had an older brother who had the greatest hits of Alice Cooper and we would play this. I fell madly in love with this Alice Cooper's greatest hits. I bought aly in love with this Alice Cooper's Greatest Hits. I bought

a CD myself and to this day I throw on the Alice Cooper's Greatest Hits. I love that old Alice Cooper but this is not the old Alice Cooper. This is 1989. He had a kind of resurgence with kind of a increase in popularity in

1989 and this was his album, 11th studio album. It's called Trash. And this is the title track, Trash. And we're here, of course, Cliff, to say, don't throw it in the trash. Don't throw it in the trash. 18 and I like it.

Yeah. School's out. Yeah. Teenage Lament, 74. Yeah. I mean, they went, you were under

my wheels, honey. Anticipate and fun. Yeah, I loved all this old Alice Cooper. But yeah,

this was a big jam and a big album. I was listening to a lot of QN07 at the time and they played a lot of trash. Only Women Bleed

too. Yeah, that's a great song. That is a great song no Alice Cooper and Alice Cooper as you know Cliff was the name

of the band he just kept it like as his name but that's the name of the band fun fact for everybody I will shout out the song Poison

that was the lead single from this album and that was a top 10 hit and he had a few other big successes here. This was his biggest album since 1977 so quite the comeback and I have a

kind of a mind blow for you but we talked about how Alice Cooper took the name of the band and he went by Alice Cooper. A Canadian FOTM did the exact same thing. I know you're not going to get this. I'm really showing you up to date, Cliff, but did you want to take a stab at it? I don't even think you should

unless you know, but there's a Canadian musician who's been on Toronto Mic, who took the name of the band as her name. That's a clue for you. It's a woman. Her real name is Karen, but she took the name of the band and went solo using that band's name. Any guess at all? You're wise to be quiet there.

No, I got nothing. Lee Aaron. Okay. So Lee Aaron took a, you know, took a page out of the Alice Cooper songbook there and decided to do that. So another FOTM is a gentleman named David Quinton Steinberg. He's a drummer.

He played with Stiv Bader's. Do you know the name Stiv Bader's? No. All right. So Stiv Bader's kind of a punk god from Cleveland. Sadly, no longer with, long gone actually, no longer with us. But actually, no longer with us, but I thought it was a, just since, how do we tie Alice Cooper to Stiv Bader's? I can actually do

this. Stiv Bader's made an appearance on this album we're talking about by Alice Cooper. So the album's called Trash. Stiv Bader's has a vocal appearance on this album. Stiv Bader's, of course, most famous for playing with the Dead Boys. And again, David Quinton Steinberg, a good FOTM. He played with Stiv. And lo and behold, Stiv Bader has his own trash song.

Cliff, it's true. This is for most of you people out there. Because it's about you. It's called It's Trash. And we're New York's finest, right? New York's finest from Cleveland. No Cleveland, no Bowie. It's trash

with something like I want you bad. It's trash with making her feel so sad, baby. All right, just a little fun fact, mind blow for the FOTMs. You can tie it all back to Steve Bader's here and his work on Trash,

and then he had his own Trash called It's Trash. We're listening to it in the background. Cliff, the mind blows will get better, okay, but that's not too shabby for a Monday morning. That's pretty good. I was just thinking, so I've got a fellow who's worked for me for, well, since inception, really, and he's retiring. He works in Atlantic Canada, runs all of the provinces, all four of the provinces down there, has people working for him.

His name's Gerard McClellan, and he's retiring. And the reason I bring it up is because whenever we get together, he has a toast, and it's a unique toast, and it's always, here's to garbage. All right. And yeah, who's taking over? Well, we don't know that yet. It'll be early next year when he leaves, and I'm actually going down Thursday this week to do some interviewing, and so we're working that process.

So let me tease an upcoming episode of Toronto Mic, which is a bit of a mind blow into itself, is that Maritime's own successful rapper, Classified, who had some big hits. Inner Ninja, he had a whole bunch of big jams and I always liked him. Way back to Boycott in the Industry, I was playing him for my kids.

We were reminiscing yesterday, but Classified will make his Toronto Mic'd debut and he's got a song called Maritime's. So maybe Classified would be your guy. We'll put you in touch. Good. Thank you, Stiv Baders. This one is a song that was recommended by listener Lieve Fumka

when she heard we were kicking out recycling jams. And everybody listening is going to know this one. Okay, okay. I've waited long enough and now the time has come. Oscar, what are you doing anyway? What does it look like I'm doing, Bob? Well, it looks like you're, you know, making a mess. I'm getting ready to sing my song, so I'm throwing out all my trash onto the sidewalk.

Isn't it beautiful? Well, I wouldn't say it's exactly beautiful, Oscar. Well, I would. Just look at it all. What a beautiful junky mess of rotten, rusty, mangy, musty, grummy, beautiful trash. Oh, I love trash. Anything dirty or dingy or dusty. Anything ragged or rotten or rusty Yes, I love trash If you really want to see something trashy, look at this I have here a sneaker that's tattered and worn It's all full of holes and the laces are torn

A gift from my mother the day I was born. I love it because it's trash. Oh, I love trash. Anything 30 or dingy or dusty. You guys don't love trash. You know, recycle your electronics. We like to turn it into something that can be reused. But Oscar, obviously, he has a message

there. Oscar the Grouch. Always the contrarian. Oscar the Grouch, of course, until recently, was always performed by Carol Spinney. Carol, sadly, has also passed on. Shout out to Ridley Funeral Home. So this is Oscar the Grouch, voiced by Carol Spinney,

singing a song that was written by Jeff Moss. So Jeff Moss wrote the music, wrote the lyrics to I Love Trash. This song has been recorded and re-recorded several times. It was first performed in the first season of Sesame Street. I was not around for the first season, but I will shout out Sesame Street as my first favorite show in the late 70s. This was my jam right here, Cliff. Shout out to Sesame Street. Okay, so I love trash.

I have a mind blow for this as well, and it comes back to a great Canadian musician. So Oscar will take us into the mind blow. Oh, I love trash. Anything dirty or stingy or dusty. Anything ragged or rotten or rusty. Yes, I love, I love, I love trash What this show needs is some good, clean fun.

Oh, look, it's Katie Lang again. You're the singer? Yes. Sing this. Sing it, sing it. What is this? Oh, we call it trash punk. Yeah, it's kind of a fusion.

Yeah, yeah, but never mind, just sing it. Go on, sing it. I love trash. Yeah, yeah, but never mind. Just sing it. Go on, sing it. I love trash. Yeah. Sing it. Sing it. I love trash. Oh, you know that song.

Anything dirty or dingy or dusty. Oh, yeah. Anything ragged or rotten or rusty. Oh, I love trash. Yeah, yeah. Great. Listen to this. I have here a sneaker that's tattered and worn.

Yeah, it's all. Katie Lang covering I Love Trash. Big fan of Katie Lang. Absolutely. Now, Katie, of course, from Alberta, Canada, there is a musician, another wonderful Canadian musician who was born in Alberta, who turns 80 years old tomorrow. You want to take a stab at this one?

I'm not going to get it. All right. Joni Mitchell turns 80 tomorrow. Oh, wow. Isn't that amazing? Yes, it is. We thought we were losing her like several years ago

when she had that stroke and I think it's just wonderful that we get to celebrate Joni Mitchell's 80th birthday tomorrow. Happy birthday, Joni. And Joni, before she was Joni Mitchell, when she was Joni Anderson,

she would perform at the, you know, in Yorkville area of Toronto. Riverboat Cafe. Absolutely. Shout out to Neil Young again, but also at a place called the Purple Onion. And the reason I bring that up is because I've talked to a co-founder of the Purple Onion. His name is Barry Witkin.

And I will soon be dropping a conversation with Sylvia Tyson in which I ask her about playing the Purple Onion with her at the time. It was with Ian Tyson. Yes, that'll be awesome, really well. I've seen Neil Young play before. I never had the good fortune to see Joni Mitchell. It's not too late. Although she's not touring, but she has, you know,

she did perform like for the first time in many, many years recently. And could you imagine, I mean, this won't happen, but could you imagine a Joni Mitchell tour? And I was chatting with FOTM Terry David Mulligan, who has stories from the early years, the prairie years of Joni Mitchell, that he was there. Like, and when he can make time for me,

he promised he will let me grill him on this era of Joni and his experiences of Joni and record all that for history. So here we are just documenting history here. That's an episode I'd love to hear. I really would. Well, Terry David, I told him today and I can show you the email. I said, you're the hardest working octogenarian I know.

Like he's simply, he's on a flight now. He's got no time for me and he's in his 80s. I'm like, slow down, chat with Toronto Mike about Joni Mitchell. It's, you know, let's capture these stories. And it's important that we do capture them so that they're there

and everybody else can hear them. You don't want them to be lost in the busyness and not get captured. You're singing my song right now. I literally have decided

that's my whole purpose in this world is to capture these stories. So thank you. And again, thank you again to EPRA for sponsoring throughout the calendar year of 2023.

Like if we could do that in 2024, my goodness, the real talk will keep flowing. How wonderful. Do you want the commitment now or do you want to wait and get it as a Christmas present? How would you like to receive it? I want it now because they say a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

And you've got it. Oh my goodness. And that's recorded. I think that'll hold up in court. It will. Listen, you used AI to recreate Cliff Hacking's voice. I don't know how to do that. Okay. I want to thank you for that. That's amazing. Big news right there. I should have a sound effect. But I do want to shout out another wonderful sponsor who helps make this happen. That's Raymond James Canada. If you want to learn how to plan, invest, and live smarter,

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That's all. I didn't turn off my ringer, but you witnessed a phone call from Fred Patterson of Humble and Fred, and that's what's happening there in real time here. I turned mine off. You know what? I just turned mine off, and I'm a terrible host that I didn't have that off right away. But okay. I have one more song, and it's a

very personal, nostalgic ditty. But before I play this last song, I've got to set it up with a little story. As you can imagine, Cliff, anything else you can share with us about what you're up to at EPRA? Anything at all that you wanted to share with you on your third appearance, but not your last appearance, because you just committed to another

year. You'll be back. We'll be back. Well, a couple of things. I was mentioning earlier that I was meeting with some friends from university, and they were talking about cables. So those cables that you use to charge your phone, people tend to just not think they can be recycled. There's wire in there.

The plastic can be recycled. They tend to sit in a drawer. You've got chargers that are around for an old something that you don't know what it belongs to anymore. Please bring those in to us. They're all valuable. We can recycle all of them. The lists are extensive of what we can bring back, and so we'd love to have your product back. When it's at the end of its life, we want it.

We want to make sure that we do the right thing and turn it back into products that can be reused at recyclemyelectronics.ca. Type in your postal code, 2,500 locations across the country, and we will look after it for you. And it's free. And it's free.

Let's not bury the lead here. In this economy, that's amazing. Okay. So recyclemyelectronics.ca. I'll continue to sing your praises and uh and again uh shout out to all the fotms have been using this wonderful free uh service incredible i went i mentioned that i met joe at saint cecilia's but i only went to saint celia's for a few years then i changed to a school called saint pious and this is at jane and bluer okay so shout out to

saint pious saint pious the 10th i don'tius. St. Pius X. I don't know those first nine St. Piuses. I don't know what they were up to, but St. Pius X. And at this school, we had a visit from a musician. I was very young. I don't know what I'm in grade two or three or something, but a musician visited. So we all got together in the gym, like an assembly and this musician, like I was a big Raffi guy. Okay. But this wasn't Raffi. This was like Kirkland brand Raffi. But I, at the time was excited because Raffi wasn, okay? But this wasn't Raffy. This was like Kirkland brand Raffy. But I, at the time, was excited because Raffy wasn't there, but this guy was there.

His name, I'm sure he's still with us, but his name was Jerry Brody. It probably still is Jerry Brody. And Jerry Brody performed live in the gym. And he sang a song that has been bouncing around in my head for the last 40 plus, like 40 years here. This song really, I don't know, it's catchy. I enjoyed it. I liked the message and I found it on YouTube and I have no idea, if anyone knows, let me know. I have no idea what happened to Jerry Brody.

I have no more additional information on Jerry. It's not like I could find a Wikipedia page or anything, but I can tell you I heard this song when he played it live in our school Jerry. It's not like I could find a Wikipedia page or anything, but I can tell you, I heard this song when he played it live in our school gym. It applies to our theme today, and I'm kind of excited to share it with everybody here. Are you ready, Cliff? I'm ready. Let's go. Garbage, garbage, no, no, no Do you know where your garbage goes? Do you just rub it from your hand? You must put it in the can, man

You must put it in the can, man If you take leftover vegetables And throw them out your window now It would only be a matter of time Before you slip, slip, slip it around Garbage, garbage, no, no, no. Do you know

where your garbage goes? Do you just drop it from your hand? You must put it in the can, man. You must put it in the can, man. If you take newspapers and magazines and spread them out. I don't think this woman was in my assembly.

I feel Jerry was there solo. But in this recording, we've got like a duet here. But the sentiment that I think applies is garbage, garbage, no, no, no. Don't throw those electronics in the garbage. Go to recyclemyelectronics.ca. But this song, Jerry Brody. If anyone listening can tell me what But this song, Jerry Brody, if anyone listening can tell me what's going on

with Jerry Brody, I'm naturally curious because he hit me at the right time. In this song, I've been singing to like, I have four kids.

All four have heard me sing Garbage, Garbage, No, No, No. So there you go, Cliff. Jerry Brody, shout out. I don't know if he's had many shout outs

in the podcasting era. What is he up to today? I can only imagine. Let's find him. Let's find Jerry Brody, shout out. I don't know if he's had many shout outs in the podcasting era. What is he up to today? I can only imagine. Let's find him. Let's find Jerry Brody. Let's bring him home. Let's get Jerry Brody on Toronto Mike. That'll be the full circle.

And Cliff, honestly, you hit it out of the park again. I can't wait for your fourth appearance, but I loved this chat. It's been great being with you. I really appreciate the time. And as I say, we think your audience is amazing.

We want to make sure that we get our message out to them. RecycleMyElectronics.ca. And you think we can do that bin for TMLX 14 on December 9th at noon at Palmer's Kitchen? I do. I do. Okay. We're going to make that happen. Thank you, Cliff.

Thank you, EPRA. Thank you so much. If people want to learn more, do they just go to recyclemyelectronics.ca or is there another website you think they might want? That's the best place to go. Type in your postal code. It'll tell you the nearest location. And that

brings us to the end of our 1,359th show. And as I play this song, as I close every episode of Rosie and Grave from Lowest to the Low, I realize they're actually my next guest on Toronto Mic.

There's this band, Ron Hawkins and Lawrence Nichols from Lowest to the Low will be here tomorrow. They get to hear their own song at the end

of their own episode. You can follow me on Twitter and Blue Sky. Gotta diversify your portfolio, Cliff. I'm at Toronto Mike. You heard, you go to recyclemyelectronics.ca

to learn more about EPRA and Recycle My Electronics. Much love to the other wonderful partners of Toronto Mike. That's Great Lakes Brewery. Cliff, I've got fresh craft beer for you. Palma Pasta. I have a lasagna for you, Cliff.

Raymond James Canada. Moneris. They're two great podcasts, and you got a speaker to listen to those. And Ridley Funeral Home. See you all tomorrow when my special guests are lowest of the low. Well, you've been under my skin for more than eight years It's been eight years for more than eight years.

It's been eight years of laughter and eight years of tears. And I don't know what the future can hold or will do for me and you. But I'm a much better man for having known you. Well, you know that's true Because everything is coming up Rosy and gray Yeah, the wind is cold But the smell of snow Wants me today And your smile is fine

And it's just like mine And it won't go away Because everything is rosy and gray Well I've been told that there's a sucker born every day But I wonder who Yeah I wonder who Maybe the one who doesn't realize There's a thousand shades of gray