Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Colin Mochrie and Debra McGrath: Toronto Mike'd #1220

Episode Date: March 14, 2023

In this 1220th episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike chats with Colin Mochrie and Debra McGrath about their relationship, their careers in comedy, and their daughter Kinley. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Ridley Funeral Home and Electronic Products Recycling Association.

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Now, whose bells and whistles are going off there? Are these emails that Debra's... Oh, you know what? I will cut off the do... I will put the do not disturb, sorry. No, don't worry. Love means never having to say you're sorry. It does, doesn't it? It really does.

It's just we're so popular. Emails are coming in. There's deals that need to be closed, right, Colin? Well, it's people who want things from us. Always. We're all focused. There it is. Do not disturb. Just say, listen, I'm on Toronto Mic'd

right now. Do not bother me for the next several hours, please. Exactly. Now, you two, Debra and Colin, you're both worthy of your own respective toronto mic episodes but i thought it'd be fun to have you on together so thank you for doing this we like being on together yeah we we've uh i mean it's been 34 years and counting i cross our fingers hopefully it'll work out for a little longer well let's let's try to double that at least.

Let's have these lofty goals. Now I'm going to just read you a few notes that came in when I announced that, you know, Debra and Colin were coming on Toronto Mike. So I'm going to read these notes and then we're going to talk about somebody we have in common. And then we're just going to have a nice chat about your relationship, your careers and your daughter. And it's going to be just a wonderful

hour we're going to spend together. But let me get to these notes. Okay. Lanrick Bennett Jr. writes in. So I'll read it, and then you guys can respond, because it sounds like he knows you guys. He says,

Deb is one in a million. She is all sorts of amazing. That Colin guy, though, I is one in a million. She is all sorts of amazing. That Colin guy, though, I don't know about him. You know what? We did a fundraiser for him. So maybe a little more respect there, buddy. That's nice because, you know, he was making it funny. Yeah.

Well, I hope so. Well, people, I bet you people, when they've talked to you, they try to be funny, right? Because they're like, I'm in the presence of two funny people. I need to be funny. And I'll bet you when people try to be funny, not that I know from experience, that it makes for an awkward moment, right? Because people are like trying so hard to be funny,

they're going to say awkward things. But people are pressured to be funny in your presence. It's odd because no other profession, you wouldn't go up to a doctor and say can i hey can i cup your testicles and get you to cough i guess you could or he would say it to you yeah actually we've had well colin's had more of it than i have but we've also had people that are really funny because i think sometimes we forget that all the gorgeous people are not models. All the funny people are not comedians.

You know, there's regular people who have interest in other things who are very funny. And we know we have some funny friends who are not in this business at all. Well, I suppose if you're a good surgeon and you're very funny, you have to make a choice at some point. Yes. Or use it. Because I'm guessing that operating theater needs lightening up every once in a while. I think there's a movie about that, actually.

So that's Lanric. I've got a couple more here before we get to the chat. Hello, Lanric. Lanric, his lovely note there did remind me though that in your spot, so when you're talking to somebody, they're going to expect you two to be hilarious.

Literally, this was me this morning. I'm talking to Debra McGrath and Colin Mochrie, two Canadian comedic legends. They're going to be hilarious. Do you ever feel super pressure, like i have to be funny yes constantly and we'll go to a gig and someone will say we were waiting for you this is going to be hilarious and first of all it's often a gig where we weren't asked to be hilarious where we're

simply the hosts that have been told to move it along. And so we always say to them, yes, we'll be charming. We don't want bits. And the audience says, we're waiting for this to happen. Oh, God, and we're always, oh, well. Wait a little longer. Call them up. He says, lower your expectations, please. Or like you're just at a dinner party to have like a meal

and maybe just some nice evening and chatter. And then everybody thinks you're like the, it's like you've been at a dinner party to have like a meal and maybe just some nice nice evening and chatter and then everybody thinks you're like the it's like you've been hired to entertain it's like okay don't worry deb and colin are here prepare to laugh yeah it's hard i mean it's hard because i mean deb is naturally outgoing and she likes people as opposed to me who's not fond of people and more of an introvert so it's it's great I tend to, you know, I can sit back and let Deb, because she's a great storyteller, she's charming, she's interested in people. So that takes some of the pressure off of me. You know, like the other humans.

It does, it really does. But yeah, there is that pressure sometimes. And we've been at a number of those dinners where we've been auctioned off and so we've actually had really great times except one dinner oh my gosh almighty the guy one of the people he was very rich and he was challenging us at every turn, asking us where our house was, what way we saw, where we're just, you know, we're just working actors. And then he wants to see us perform in the middle of the dinner.

Wow. It was, those were the ones where you really, you have to think back, what was the charity? Okay, worth it. Worth it. Or you just, you have to think back, what was the charity? Okay, worth it. Worth it. Or you just cite them your rates and say, well, yes, if you can wire transfer this amount. I should have thought of that, yeah. It was for charity.

Well, still, added. He's got the money. Okay. YYZGord writes in, I cannot wait for this. I am a big fan. So this is for Gord. Already pressure. Pressure's on. All right, Gord. Do our best, Gord writes in, I cannot wait for this. I am a big fan. So this is for Gord. Already pressure. Pressure's on.

All right, Gord. Do our best, Gord. Yep, this is for you. Somebody who goes by the handle Beat Stimulator. So I won't drill too deep into that, but his name is Beat Stimulator. Comedy genius.

I saw Colin Mochrie perform live this week and I am still amazed at how quick he is on improv. He is a treat to see perform. Now just to let you know Colin, I think he's referring to the hip-prov. Yes. The hip-prov has been

a lot of fun because people don't really know what to expect. I mean they walk in being skeptical of both art forms. So we found that by the end of the show, we've actually convinced them about hypnosis and improv, which you would think, I mean, I understand the hypnosis thing because people, I mean, when I went into it, I didn't understand a lot of it.

Most of my hypnosis facts came from the Flintstones which apparently not based on facts and the Dick Van Dyke show so it's a fun show it really is it's fast moving and the audience seems to love it

it's fascinating who's the hypnotist you work with Colin on that show his name is Asad Mekhi It's fascinating. Who's the hypnotist you work with, Colin, on that show? His name is Asad Mekhi. Yeah, he's amazing at what he does. Every night, as I'm watching him hypnotize people, I think, how can this possibly work? It's not going to work.

And every night he does it, so good for him. When are you guys hitting the road again? Because I know you just finished a stretch of shows, but are you going to be back on the road again soon with Hip Prov? Yeah, Thursday. It's going to be in California. And then Saturday we're in Jamestown, New York. And, yeah, it's kind of an odd. I have that tour, and I'm touring with Brad Sherwood from Who's Line.

So it's sort of alternating weeks. And then Deb and I have some tour and I'm touring with Brad Sherwood from whose line. So it's sort of alternating weeks. And then Deb and I have some shows coming up. So it's, you know, keeps me off the streets. Well, Deb on that note, again,

I'm going to be all over the place. Cause that's sort of how my brain works. But Deb, uh, the COVID-19 pandemic brought Colin home for a long stretch. Now he's back at it again. Like, is this like,

is there any part of like relief that it's back to the normal or do you miss that uh covid calling um we really how do you phrase this we've never come up i won't say we really loved covid that is disgusting but personally it was wonderful for us. And we live on a ravine. And at the very early days when we were all terrified and washing blueberries one at a time, leaving groceries to expire at the front door for fear of death, they stopped people from entering the parks. So we felt, oh, my goodness, we've got our own. It was just neighbors. And it was the most time we'd spent together in our entire marriage. And I sat my husband down and I said, there will be pitfalls

that we can become trapped under. And let's be honest with each other. If you're getting on my nerves, I'll say, if I'm getting on your nerves let's just say uh what's with that or whatever and we were good we were great and uh reluctant to open up again and now that it's back the difference is i'm super busy so the days go so quickly. So it's okay. I mean, we miss each other. If there's ever a huge stretch of time, we'll FaceTime every day and that kind of thing.

And this is the life you chose, right? When you decided to become famous comedians. Yes. When I chose to become a famous comedian, it took a while for others to realize that's what I was choosing and help me do it. So, yeah, I mean, we certainly can't complain. We have a very good life and, you know, we still really enjoy each other.

And getting to a point where I feel myself, I'd like to slow down a little. Right now, I'm sort of in the midst of doing all the shows that had been canceled during COVID. So we're sort of catching up with that. But I'm hoping after this year, I can just pull back a little and relax a little more. Work more in, you know, his own his own country where like it doesn't involve travel like getting up at three getting on three planes then a two-hour drive that's what he's over yeah remember when i mentioned earlier i wasn't fond of people traveling is where the worst ones go oh my goodness okay one more note here quickly and then there's a woman I want to speak to you about that we both know very well. But The Cleaning Guy,

this is on Twitter, The Cleaning Guy writes in, Mike, please tell Colin how much we enjoyed both his shows in Stratford to sold-out theatres. The latest, Hip Prov, is hysterical and amazing with Asad Mechie. The earlier one with Brad Sherwood had the crowd

roaring with laughter start toie. The earlier one with Brad Sherwood had the crowd roaring with laughter start to finish. So talented. Cheers, Colin. That's the cleaning guy. The cleaning guy. It sounds like someone who cleans up after hits.

Yeah. Oh, like Mr. Wolf in Pulp Fiction. Yeah. I certainly hope that's not the case. Well, thank you. That's a lovely laugh. That is lovely. I mean, there are so many times

during this career where I go, this doesn't seem right. And doing improv on the Stratford stage was one of them, where you go, you know, we've seen so many incredible productions there. Our huge Stratford fans. Our friends, Tom McCammis,

and to be on that stage, it's just amazing. Oh, my soup's ready. Oh, my goodness. Is that true? You got soup ready? Yeah, I was making soup. It'll stop beeping in a second, won't it?

Well, that's okay. I like the kinetic ambient noises. Like I heard a dog earlier. There's beeping. This is all kind of like life in action, which I kind of dig. So if you if you have to come and go that's cool but there is a woman i wanted to ask you about because uh i actually was on a zoom with you in the past but you never saw my face okay so i was on the zoom with uh helen tansy and helen tansy had you on her show the feminine warrior so i was like literally here listening,

but the camera was pointing the other direction. I think at the end of that episode, Debra like said goodbye to me, but she only saw like part of my elbow, I think. And you know that we actually did think you were hideous, but it's nice to see. Oh no, you're a good looking man. Well, that was my good elbow, Colin.

But take a moment, tell me, how do you know Helen? I think Helen's remarkable and a hell of a person and photographer, but how do you know Helen Tansey? Through the business. My first resume shots in Toronto, Helen did.

And of course we were both younger. She seemed very shy, which was perfect for me because I was also very shy. And I just loved those pictures. And then over the years, we just kept going back. And then, I mean, she is such a beautiful woman both inside and out.

She's just one of those people you immediately are drawn to. She's just someone, the bonus is getting pictures out of the deal, but the loveliness is spending time with her because she's just an astounding person. We love her to bits. She's done maybe many, sorry, family photos for us too with dogs running around her studio. Bless her.

Yeah. Did she photograph your wedding yes one of our weddings yeah that's true how many weddings have you had i need to know three we've had three yeah really we just want to make sure that nobody can escape this and we're going to do another one too um just the two of us remember we talked about that yes i do you do because you were the one that said it should be just the two of us. I did. Yeah, we've had one in Vegas, Elvis impersonator,

and the first one, and then our vow renewal at our 25th. It was a surprise wedding. Nobody knew it was happening. Yeah, it was a surprise in our backyard. Okay, I actually hear, let me just play a little bit of music here. Hold on. I didn't know what time it was Then I met you Oh, what a lovely time it was How sublime it was to

I Do you guys recognize this song I'm playing? We do. We danced to that at our wedding. Frank Sinatra. Yeah, we danced. You know, it's weird. I first knew Frank Sinatra as an actor.

You know, Deb's older, so she knew the singer thing. Four years. It's only four years. But then getting, I mean, and and then of course i i learned he was a singer but once deb and i got together um frank sinatra has been playing a lot in our uh living rooms and i grew up in a sinatra house so i introduced the singer to colin and he fell madly in love he's pretty good yeah he's got stuff going. He's an up and coming, rising talent.

That's holding him back, I find. He could still be on The Voice. I don't even know what that diss meant. No, really. Because it wasn't really a diss. Yeah. But I intended it as such. I have nothing against The Voice.

What do you think about it? I don't know. It was just some evil part of you that popped up. It just felt like it was going to be a good line, but then it made no sense. Yeah, you got to be careful because if they ever have the voice Canada,

you two could be potential judges or something. You don't want to burn any bridges. I'll find my judge on anything to do with singing. No second season. Oh, dear. So tell me how you two met uh like like how did you two meet uh i had finished my stint on the main stage at the old fire hall at second city and they hire or they they did in those days they hired a main stage retired person at least from that to um direct the touring

company so and it's a part-time job so i could still i was doing a couple of tv shows and uh i started to work for them and colin came to audition it's a tough audition it was uh to audition. It was a tough audition. It was so busy doing laundry and dishes. Yeah, exactly. So this is obviously in Toronto. Yes, it is. But Colin, weren't you in Vancouver at this point or were you looking to move? I had, yes, I grew up in Vancouver. And at that point, Expo had just happened. And I also felt I'd done as much as I could in Vancouver. And of course, once I left, there was a movie boom and everything started happening. So you're welcome, Vancouver. So yeah, I came to Toronto and my good friend Ryan Stiles had been part of the Second City

Expo troupe. And of course, once they saw him, they asked him to be on main stage. So when I came, when I moved out here, he called and said, you know, they're looking for someone for the touring company, so you should audition. And I did.

So I ended up getting a job and a wife a few years later. So Debra, you're the person who hired Colin at SCTVin at setv technically the producer hired uh him but we're very good friends with her and i was the director so the director has input but if she had liked him like if i had been seen yeah first of all totally um uh if she had liked him he wouldn't be hired no matter what i said if I hadn't liked him and she had he still would have been high well what wow like like uh Colin said yeah you got yourself a performer and a husband in that deal so that's not too shabby you bet so this I'm trying to understand uh with SCTV so of course we all know we all know the TV show with John Candy and Joe Flaherty.

And I won't name them all, but Eugene Levy and all these legends. Are you, Deb, are you part of that second wave of the Toronto SCTV performers? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was two casts behind them. There was another cast after they left, and then I came in to the next cast. So a few of us from my cast did small parts on SCTV, kindly invited us into play. kindly invited us into play.

And someone I was cast mates with, John Hempel, he actually was sort of a semi... Became a cast member. Became a cast member. The last couple of years. The NBC issues. He was, what was his name? A bartender. Happy.

Happy, happy, happy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you did appear on the the you did have a few opportunities to be on the show i did like what do you have a favorite you know skit or appearance on the on the television show for me yes no i wasn't what i mean is the one that was probably the best it was um i mean they were small parts, except this one. And much to my everlasting mortification, they asked me to play this character on,

and it was one of my favorite things they did on the show, which was the talk show. Bobby Bittman? Bobby Bittman. Late Bittman at Night or Late Night Bittman or something. Anyway, I loved it. So I was asked to play this character. So they said the character's name was Fran Lebowitz. Well, I, no idea.

No idea. And Rob Salem, a couple of people said, oh my God, I loved your Fran Lebowitz. I said, no, I was an actor with the name Fran Lebowitz. I said, no, I was an actor with the name Fran Lebowitz. But they did say, you know, low key, you know, sarcastic, you know, doesn't make much of an effort. So what happens is you end up playing the direction and end up kind of being like Fran, although I would have done maybe a New York accent or something. But that was probably my favorite. Ron James was on that. Marty was in that. Gene and I don't know who else.

Okay, so you mentioned now Fran Lebowitz and I remember seeing fairly recently on Netflix, I think, Martin Scorsese's talking to Fran Lebowitz. Yeah, we loved it. I loved it too. But then I think, like, so Martin... Scorsese does that after he recorded the SCTV reunion.

Yeah, what happened to that? Yes, okay, Colin, please. We don't know, we were there. We were there for the taping. And it seemed to go well. So I'm not sure what the deal is. I mean, at first we were saying, was it COVID? Because it was soon after.

Right. But then, no, everything else has managed to. We have no idea. So I have some insight for you guys. I did have Dave Thomas on this show because, well, who wouldn't want to have Dave Thomas on your show? That's like asking, would you like to have Deb McGrath on your show? Of course I want to have Deb McGrath on my show.

Maybe Colin too. Why not, right? Let's do it together. But Dave Thomas thinks it's just done. That Scorsese lost interest, moved on to other projects. He has no hope of this thing ever coming out. It was recorded and filmed, but apparently

I'm never going to see this? That makes no sense. i cannot believe that someone else wouldn't pick up the baton because that show they are still huge icons to people especially after shit's creek yeah shit's creek you would think no there's an audience for that and i um i can't believe that would be the reason because i think even scorsese would say to somebody do finish this yeah i know he was upset we weren't on it he was beside himself so you weren't even invited to be in the audience deb we were in the audience okay you're in the audience yes okay oh i know they weren't going through background artists and day players.

Now that was, I mean, even Rick Moranis was at that event, which is what made it sort of, like he doesn't do much anymore. And there he was. So he did do. It was great. So Ian Thomas's son had a terrible accident. And I know that Rick Moranis did a Bob and Doug thing, reunion to raise money for this effort.

But it's very rare that you get Rick Moranis at one of these events. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, his wife passed away, and he sort of stepped back to raise his kids. And then he actually made a record, which I think he won a Grammy for. It was like almost

a country... It wasn't a funny record, but it was kind of a serious country song, if I'm not forgetting. Yeah, it was great to see him in that day. I just think he's fantastic. Well, that's interesting, I just think he's fantastic.

Well, that's interesting. I wish we had the real scoop because what a waste of all that shooting and all of those folks are beyond the beyond and they'd be stunned by how many people would watch it. Yeah. It's too bad. So we're all on the same page, which is we're all scratching our heads. Like it makes no sense. Okay, because if Martin

Scorsese, who am I to tell Scorsese he's making bad decisions here, but if he decides he's lost interest, release the material to somebody who will do it justice and put something together for us. Yeah, that's my point. Move it on.

But, you know, if you have his number, I'll tell him. Yeah. I think Fran Lebowitz has it. Yeah, Fran's got his number, I'll tell him. I think Fran Lebowitz has it. Yeah, Fran's got his number, I think. Maybe he's just trying to perfect a technology where everybody looks younger. They all did look really good. Amazing, amazing. All right, so I want to get back to Colin.

Your story is going to kind of tell your professional life story. But I want to ask you about a woman that was on my show who I absolutely adore. And I wondered if she's part of your Second City time, Deb, and Colin maybe. But Jane Eastwood, was she at Second City when you were there, Deb? No, she wasn't. But I was in a sketch troupe with her for, I don't know, three, I don't remember, three years in the last decade or so called Women Fully Clothed. And we traveled around the country. It was Jane and Robin Duke, Kathy Greenwood, Teresa Pavlenek, and myself.

And Jane is a dear friend. We don't see her often enough. But no, she was in one of the first casts. Wasn't she in with Gilder? I'm thinking of Godspell. But yeah. And did she talk to you about her feelings about improv? You know, she may have, and I might have forgotten.

But remind me what she might've said. You love the improv. Terrified of it. No. And she's just so naturally funny and charming. Just the greatest gal ever. So she wants a script. Is that the deal?

She's, she does. And, and she, I think she felt pressured to do it. She just said, I didn't like it. I didn't want to keep doing it.

That's a good, that's a good impression. Actually going down the road, I didn't like it. I didn't want to keep doing it. That's a good impression, actually. Going down the road, I'll just say, one of the great, I can watch Going Down the Road if it comes on, like, I don't know, do they still have City TV late night movies? But if it comes on, I'm watching. No, she is. And now she's become sort of a staple of Hallmark movies. Every Christmas

movie, she's the grandmother. I said to her, your epitaph will read mother, wife, Hallmark movies. Every Christmas movie, she's the grandmother. I said to her, your epitaph will read, mother, wife, Hallmark grandmother. And we just did one with her, well, last year, where we were, of course, the kindly couple who were on the B&B for the Star Stays. And Jane was the grandmother. And it was a blast, except she kept taking her mask off.

I can't hear. So she'd take her mask off i can't hear so she'd take her mask off i can't hear i have to take my mask off okay that's jane and they kept jane jane mask up well deborah she might be the only person in canada with a longer imdb page like you know she pops up in everything oh she's in everything and deservedly so. She should just be working on offers now. No more auditioning Jane Eastwood. Right. Offer her the job. Why would you audition Jane Eastwood? That's ridiculous. My name is Toronto Mike.

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For some reason, my parents decided to get a place right in the heart of a French-speaking neighborhood, right in the heart of a French-speaking neighborhood, neither of whom could speak French, and their English was a Scottish brogue. Should I get that? Well, is that Jane Eastwood by any chance? Do you have a direct line to her at home? Yeah.

Just wait for that. That's okay. Like I said, I just want to tell the people at home, I can see if, is that real fire behind you? Real fire. Yeah. Does your insurance company know about that? Well,

it's, it's gas, which is just as bad. You know what? They haven't made people get rid of them yet. They're just building new houses with them. And eventually they will, but they'll really have to rip.

We have three fireplaces in this house. It's what I live for. They'll have to rip them from my cold. I'm like that rich guy at the charity event. And I'm not going to ask you two specifics, but what general part of Toronto do you guys call home now? The Leaside area. Lovely.

Lovely. Okay. Okay. And again, okay, Colin's back. I was going to shout out a sponsor or two while we waited for Colin, but instead I'm going to get, I want to get Colin to whose line is it anyway? It's a long, long trip. So wait, but you meet Ryan Stiles in Vancouver. Oh, by the way. And also,

I mean, you were very young in Montreal, so maybe you don't have a, maybe you can't do a proper assessment here, but you have lived in the three biggest cities in Canada because you lived in Montreal, Vancouver, and Toronto. What was the greatest city? Give us right now on the record, Colin Mochrie, greatest city in Canada is? Oh, God.

Because this will surely not piss off people. Anyway, you know what? All of them are wonderful. You know, people say Toronto is Canada's wife. Montreal is Canada's mistress. Montreal is Canada's mistress. I agree with that. We've gone back to Montreal a couple times for festivals

and it's a very sexy city. Everyone looks sexy, whether they're stereotypically beautiful or not. They have a thing. Yeah, I've never felt more attractive while being ignored at the same time. You know what I mean?

Even though they just give you the stink eye, it's like, wow, that was some sexy stink eye. And Toronto, you know, it's a great city. It's the center of the universe. It's where stuff happens. It has – and, I mean, I love Vancouver for the beauty. Vancouver is I would say one of the most beautiful cities in Canada.

They all have their different charms and they're all have been very important to me throughout my life. It's like picking your favorite child. That's a very good answer, Colin. It's easy for you.

Don't ask me that question. Don't even ask me for the bit. So Ryan's... That's right. Come on, Dad, finish that. Ryan Stiles and You Become Buddies of Vancouver, which is... So give me just maybe in a Reader's Digest version here

of how do you end up on whose line is it anyway? So we, my best friend had been hired by this stand-up club to start an improv troupe because improv started becoming very big in Vancouver. At that point, Ryan was a stand-up. I'm not saying one of the great stand-ups, most of his material was Dolly Parton and a budget zoo where they had a picture of a giraffe. And the rest of his act was him sort of riffing off the audience. So he started doing improv with me. We immediately hit it off and then just started working together. We ended up doing Second City together.

Just started working together. We ended up doing Second City together. At that point, Whose Line came through, auditioned. He had moved down to L.A. at that point. They auditioned me. I didn't get it. He got it when he was down in L.A. doing Second City there. Deb got a show, or she created a show with her writing partner,

Linda Cash, called My Talk Show. It was being done by Imagine Television. So we moved down to LA. Deb was like seven months pregnant. And Who's Line came through again. I managed to get it. And then our daughter was born. Two months after that, I went to do my first whose line in Britain. And what's the word? I sucked. So I thought, well, that's that. But luckily, Ryan became sort of a regular on it. He said, you know, give Colin another chance. So when I came back, they put me with him.

And because we'd been working together so often. So when I came back, they put me with him. And because we'd been working together so often. Well, it was also because in England, they didn't introduce him to the rest of the cast. There was no rapport. There was no, and you were intimidated. I'm defending you here. And then it went to New York City.

And because you were on your own. Yeah, and the Brits were kind of intimidated by it. It's funny because all from Brits and the Americans, Canadians, all of our humor kind of traveled, so it didn't really matter where we were, but it just put it in our mind, oh, I'm in a different country. They're not going to get me. And I was born in Scotland, so I had a big backlog of English and Scottish knowledge.

So I'm glad it worked out. So Ryan has been very important in my life in that he kind of got me who's line. He got me an audition where I ended up with my wife. Still not sure where our child came from. She doesn't look like Ryan, does she? No, not. God, no. Amazing.

Now, obviously, looking back, you know, did you have any sense that what, whose line is it anyway could become? Like, was there any part of you that thought this could be big? No. Well, no. I mean, first of all, you know, growing up as an improviser, you never thought, well, this is going to be the career

that's going to make my name. This is my cash. Hey, you know, growing up as an improviser, you never thought, well, this is going to be the career that's going to make my name. This is my cash. Because nobody, until Whose Line came along, nobody really knew what improvising was, even though, you know, Jonathan Winters had been doing it for years, and Second City had been using it to come up with scenes, but there wasn't...

Yeah, it wasn't. I mean, people in the No-New. No-New. No-New, No-New. Oh, that's like Robin Williamsno, no-no, no-no, no-no. Oh, that's like Robin Williams and Jonathan Winters in the no-no-no. This is Mark. Yeah. Yeah. But the general populace didn't know what it was. And when we were doing the British one,

the British one was incredibly big in England, obviously. And then they started showing it on Comedy Central in the US, or I think it was called the Ha Network at that point. And then it became big with the college students. And the British producers always wanted to make an American version because they figured that's where the money was, I guess, for them. So Ryan basically got Drew involved. And I thought with Drew involved, I thought, oh, this could do quite well. This could run for a couple of years because he was ABC at that point. And the summer replacement show that we did did well.

They put us on after Drew. We were getting great numbers so i thought oh easy street then someone realized how cheap the show was and put us up against friends and survivor i don't know if you've heard of these shows they were very popular in the day so um we i mean we still lasted like six or seven years. But, I mean, we just got killed in the ratings. We still made money for the network because the show literally was cheaper than one friend. Yeah, I'll bet. Yeah, that math works out.

Wow. Okay, so, Debra, when you hired this guy at SC, sorry, Second City. I always want to call it SCTV, but I guess it's Second City. Yeah. When you hired this guy, did you ever know he'd become this American famous improv artist on the television? No, which I think proves my love. That's so true, yeah. It is.

No, I thought I'll be carrying him. And that was fine with me. Things were going great for me. Fine with me, too. Things were going great for me. I had a show in L.A., and I thought, okay. But, no, I knew he was talented. That was partly the reason I fell in love with him.

But I didn't think he'd be. I didn't think this would. No, I didn't think. I just wanted to hear that sentence. Where's he going to go? I didn't think he'd be. I didn't think he'd be worth the powder it took to blow him up wow i've never heard that saying you've never heard that not worth the powder it takes to blow it up

you know what i've never heard that either thank you mike where are these folks out here who wrote in the notes i need to hear from them oh my god that was such a big one. Like what? During the Cold War? Well, my parents used to say it like they'd buy a new appliance. Well, that's not worth the powder it takes to blow it up. I think it's a good saying. It's a good saying. I mean, it's not snappy. Well, it sounds like one of those, because my

grandmother had all these Irish Catholic sayings, and I don't hear anywhere else, but I used to hear them all growing up from my grandmother. Maybe that's like an Irish Catholic thing. Yeah, it could be. Irish love their gunpowder. That's true. Mystery and prom. The troubles, the troubles. Okay. So

any chance, like what is the current status of the Whose Line Is It Anyway franchise? Like is there like, hey, we're going to take another run at this? Where are we at with that, Colin? I constantly make, I don't know what you would call it, social media mistakes. Like when Whose Line came back, I hey whose line's coming back more details later then i'm getting frantic calls from the coast going what are you doing that we haven't told anybody i said no uh styles said in an interview it was that that's how i found out right nobody told me anything so i forgot about that yeah so, I said, hey, this is our last season.

Because we had taught as a group before, the season before this, you know, maybe it's time to bring in new improvisers or whatever, but I don't think I can do this anymore. Even though I love getting together with those guys. They're all really good friends. And, you know, it's like four tapings. So it's not like it's a lot of work. But it's actually, it was getting tougher because we would do kind of variations of the same thing.

And also, I also brought this up, that we never really got paid. Properly. Yeah, I guess that's the word. Because we provided all the content, but there's no, I mean, there's nothing in any contract that has stipulations for improv. We're coming up with the content for the show so in a way we are writing it right um and then you know every day i pick up the newspaper and it said oh whose line sold to hbo max for millions it's like what and we're not getting that so it's hard to stay bitter

against the show because of course it gave me a career it got me uh to meet some incredible people who are in my life so that is nice but it's just the business end the business end itself you love yeah the business end was kind of uh crappy but yeah when they first came out with it they listed it as a game show to get away with not paying residuals that's bs years later see now i'm angry so i said no this show is done it's not going to happen then the cw decided all they're going to do is not scripted shows now so it's like yeah i wonder where they're going to come to first what did brian text you about like it's so hilarious after you said that and it went viral it was everywhere that he was saying this ryan said something like

hands through yeah they're going to have to get richard kines doing hands through with andy dick now these it's a pretty obscure joke you have to i didn't realize until yeah you reminded me that five people know what that yeah yeah so who knows you never say never well yeah they just got it in january january so okay because i do remember the aforementioned feminine warrior podcast which people should subscribe to hosted by helen tansy yes I do remember at the very beginning, I think she started the chat with you by, she called you to Canada's national treasures, I think

is her words. And then Colin right away, didn't miss a beat, said, we should be paid more. That's exactly right. That's always on the top of my mind. It's great being a treasure, but we're someone else's treasure. Because if you were an American

national treasure, you'd have more than three fireplaces, okay? You'd have... That's so true. We'd have a fireplace in every room. We have a connection in the Senate, so when they outlawed them, we'd still be able to... And again,

I find it hard to really complain because we, you know, we're doing fine. And, you know, we're, you know, we have a great house. We, you know, we do get paid some money. And I love most of the work that comes up. The first thing they say is, you know, we don't have a budget. But and most of the time we jump in there because it's stuff we would never get offered in the states yeah i get to play like serial killers and things like that so yeah deb just oh just about red or my luck there's probably spoilers in there yeah yeah don't say that anyway we get to play parts that we don't usually get to

play in mainstream television. Yeah. So Colin, not only does he mess up on social media by saying things. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And you know what? Rosebud was the sled. No.

In life, that is so not him. So the fact that it was him out of all those outspoken folks that came out with the, and we weren't paid well. It's completely contrary to his demeanor. And I'm sure a lot of the people in the production end were, Colin said it? You know, since I've become a senior, I find I don't care as much.

I'm screaming at the sky. But the the truth is and I'm the one that always says to him you know we're not he'll go we're not rich we're not rich and I'll say we are rich in many ways however the truth is it isn't about the fact that we have a nice life it's about being paid for the work you do yeah properly when everyone else is getting rich off your backs. Yeah, I mean, we are rich in many ways, just not the good way. Well, you know, it sounds like you feel maybe a little bit exploited here.

You're the talent, right? This is like in the NHL, you know, Sidney Crosby will get paid because how many people can do with Sidney Crosby? And I mean this respectfully. I mean this. Like, how many improv artists can do what Colin Mochrie does? Like, there's a lot, actually.

I mean, really, it truly is. You know, people always say, oh, the guests of Whose Line are, you know, the gold standard. The only thing we have going are we're the best known improvisers. We've been on television for 30 years. thing we have going are we're the best known improvisers we've been on television for 30 years there are we've worked with incredible improvisers all around the world who just don't have a tv show there's no end to them and they there's so many good people i mean i don't have a problem with it myself right uh yeah being the best known one yeah whatever those are the breaks but yeah there are a lot of great like in in Toronto alone. Oh, yeah.

So many, so many. And they probably don't have a single fireplace, I bet you, those improv artists. They do not have a single fireplace. Because they're obeying the law. Watch, someone's going to come to the door tomorrow and say, excuse me, madam. Yeah, why are you telling people? Well, no one knows where you are. Leaside's a big place.

It's not against the law here. I think Vancouver's already... We should actually check and see what isn't against the law right now and then get it out of the way. Oh, there'd be so many things we'd find out. I get this urging call tomorrow morning from Debra. I was like, you need to edit that episode of

Toronto Mike right now. Or you have bail money. These are the timestamps. I need this part out. When Colin revealed some plot twist and something, you got to get that out of there. Carve this up. Okay, a name I did hear Colin mention a moment ago is Linda Cash.

Now, this is the former Philadelphia cream cheese angel, right? Yes. former Philadelphia cream cheese angel, right? Yes. She and I were in Second City together, and we created a show called My Talk Show. And then we went to L.A., did the pilot with Jim Belushi, Little Richard. Wow.

I always forget the third person. Who was the third person? Wasn't it a UFO person? Oh, yeah, the third person. Who was the third person? Wasn't it a UFO person? Oh, yeah, a UFO person. Yeah. It was an odd group of people. Not as famous as Jim Belushi and Little Richard, I take it. No.

We went on to do 65 episodes of that show. And, yeah, and then we came back two years later. Yeah. Good times. Linda Cash is in, I believe she's in the Peterborough area, and she does a lot of work with Dan Duran, who works with Humble and Fred, a show I produce. Yeah.

So it's all connected here. Yeah. And Linda just recently nominated for a Screen Award. Sloppy Joes. Sloppy Joes. I would say a web series that we i was in it we never had although we put a husband and wife had no scenes together isn't that weird well i get murdered oh i see is that a spoiler hang on no i think you know in the first you know

in the first uh episode you're becoming me. Oh. It happens in marriage. At some point you switch roles. Like Colin will be the extrovert and Deb will recede into the background. Yeah. I'd be the snitch in every prison movie. You want to know? Yeah, yeah. Big Julie did it.

Big Julie did it. You know what always bothered me? I feel like this is therapy now. But what always bothered me is that Planet of the Apes was spoiled for me at a very young age like people just talked about this plot twist and then even the Simpsons had a joke about it and this great Dr. Zayas episode and everything

and then so I always knew before I saw the film I knew the twist and I wish I could go into a movie like that and not know but I never had this opportunity I always wonder what is the statute of limitations for spoilers? Like I threw out... You did Rosebud.

Is that going to ruin Citizen Kane? Yes, it would. I only saw Citizen Kane for the first time two years ago, and I had already known the spoiler, and I wished the same thing. I wish I didn't know what Rosebud was. I do think there is a time limit. At some point. Come on, Mike. Yeah, I guess that's 70 years.

Citizen Kane a long time ago. And everybody spoils Empire Strikes Back. I mean, like, it's like just pop culture. You just reference it. And I think, I don't know. I think I saw, I think I might have been young enough to see that without the spoiler. But my kids all knew like it's uh yeah I don't know statute of limitations Colin's right 50 years is long enough

there was a guy at some point and it was just it was in a retrospective I don't know if it was the New York Times or whatever because they found out who he was I guess his friends snitched on him he was during the Empire Strikes Back known as the most hated man in America. Apparently, he got in a car with his friends. They'd drive to theaters with long lineups and yell out, Darth Vader's his dad. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. And you know what? He should be arrested or something. I think he's a stinking person. Yeah. What an asshole. Can I say that? Blow him up.

Not worth it at all. Like some people just want to like see other people unhappy and, you know, crap thing to do. Yeah. It's terrible. It's terrible. All right.

I could, so you, again, you each could have your own episodes, but we're, we're just doing a quick getting to know you. And then I'm going to talk about family in a moment, but if you could each tell me maybe the role,

cause you've got extensive IMDB pages, but what is the role that you're most proud of in your entire career? What role are you most proud of? Maybe start with Debra. I'd love to hear, because you did so many great things. Playing Ruby Kendall in Getting Along Famously. That's the major one. But I just did another part in a movie that Colin was saying I called Redder

which is completely different from anything I've had an opportunity to do so that's up there too is that a CBC show no the Redder is a short is a short film okay. And I'm in it with Patrick McKenna, who I think would also say the most different thing he's ever had an opportunity to do, too. So I'm looking forward to seeing that. And Getting Along Famously was nominated for two Gemini Awards. Deborah, surely you've won Gemini Awards, or I guess we now call them...

I've never been nominated for anything. Oh, yes, lies. I was nominated for an Actra Award, which is the award actors love getting because it's your peers, for a movie called Expecting. I didn't win, but I was nominated. I haven't had a lot of nominations.

You won a comedy award? Oh, yeah, that's right i won comedy awards two comedy awards and uh just got nominated this week for a writers guild of canada award congrats i love it i followed that sentence i never get nominated for anything but still compared to you we can't even get into his office for hardware oh but they're all like people uh i have a little hot dog from the Oscar Mayer company. It doesn't mean anything. You've got acting awards up the wall.

He's so modest, right, Deb? What's that about, that false modesty? Come on. What's the role you're most proud of, Colin? Oh. Yeah, Getting Along Famously was great. It was also good because we were producing it and writing it, and it truly was a labor of love.

Yeah. But the one I'm proud of, well, I guess I'm going to say whose line, just the fact that I managed to make a career out of it. Yeah. Well, I guess I'm going to say whose line, just the fact that I managed to make a career out of it. Yeah. I mean, and that was not even, I wasn't even a major contributor to that fact, making a career for myself. But just the cast, the people who came up with the idea, the fans who really just took to it and still love it i i'm proud of also that the show brought improv into the mainstream and um you know once we started

doing the show there were improv clubs uh showing up in high schools and um theater schools and i think it gave a lot of people who felt like outsiders a place to go because it's, you know, you didn't need a stage really. You could do it in a church basement. You could do it in a living room. And yeah. So I'm really proud of the legacy of Whose Line. Yeah, I agree. Are you too comfortable if I ask you about your daughter Kinley? Always. Which one Kinley? Always.

Which one is she? Yes. She's the only one. Yeah, the only one we have. Yeah. Yeah, we do enjoy her. When you recorded with Helen Tansey, did I mention the Feminine Warrior podcast? You may have. Do you have money in that? Actually, in a roundabout way, I do have money in it in a roundabout way.

But I remember that was around the time that there was a Dave Chappelle special that had dropped on Netflix. And I remember that was just dropped and people were talking because, to be quite frank, there's a transphobia in that special on Netflix. And I was very uncomfortable watching it. And you two came on The Feminine Warrior, and I listened to you two talk about your daughter, Kinley. Is that a doorbell?

Did I hear a doorbell? Oh, no. I think it's probably a package. Just not. No, it's there, dear. Is that Amazon? It's probably a package. Just not, no, it's there, dear. Is that Amazon? It's Dave Chappelle. That was his joke.

That was his joke. You could have taken credit for that, Deb. Yes, really. I would have supported you. I don't steal jokes. Well, you'll learn. Well, the clock is ticking. well you'll learn well the clock is ticking i was blowing away listening to you to talk about kinley and her journey and it really made me basically become somebody who would tell everybody

i no longer admire dave chappelle i no longer admire comedy. I was a long time super fan and I still don't quite understand why he would choose this topic and be transphobic. So blatantly, in my opinion, blatantly transphobic. But what I do now with almost everything is I think

about, you know, what if this was my child? I have four children. What if this was my child? And you four children. What if this was my child? And everybody in their defense, it's just jokes, man. It's just... Relax, man. It's just humor. We're just joking around here. I'm not

saying arrest Dave Chappelle. I'm not saying he doesn't have the right to make those jokes. He has the right to make those jokes. I personally want nothing to do with it because I don't find it entertaining or enjoyable and it hurts people and it upsets me. But I just wanted to thank you for what you said with Helen that really kind of helped give perspective on this because your daughter, Kinley, is a trans person. trans person. Yeah. And I mean, I will say that both of us, it sounds like a disclaimer, but it's the truth, support anybody's right to say what they want. I do draw the line at hate speech and I would go further than transphobia. I would say it was hate speech. And I never understand how someone who's already got a career, J.K. Rowling, and beloved,

and the first big books our daughter read from cover to cover. And, you know, what does that mean to her now? It's heartbreaking. She was heartbroken. That she can invent all these mythical creatures, but draws the line at trans people. Like that's your line in the sand. But I do believe that you've got so many things to laugh about,

make fun of, you know, disabled folks, all the marginalized population, everyone who suffers and struggles. That's your target? That's your target? Breaks my heart. And I'll say this, and you can quote me. Is it going to be not worth the powder to blow them up?

I don't think Dave Chappelle is worth the powder to blow them up. No, I agree with you. But keep on keeping on, my friend. Hopefully you won't end up with a child who's trans and understand the pain you caused to them. Yeah, it was like after whenever stuff like this comes out, they always show this clip of George Carlin on the Larry King show. And I think it's at a time he's talking about Andrew Dice Clay, though he's never mentioned by name. But just talking about, you know, of course, he can say whatever he wants.

Of course, I support. But why are you punching down? You know, we're here to show the hypocrisy of the people in charge, of the people who have power. Why are we going for the people who don't have that power, who are fighting to get the power? Fighting to be allowed to exist. Power is out of their reach as far as they're concerned.

And when Kinley first came out to us, I posted on social media and I was contacted by this trans man who runs an improv theater in London, England. And he said, congratulations on your daughter. Thank you so much for giving her support. Can I just ask you, next time you're doing whose line, keep an eye out for the homophobic and transphobic stuff you do.

And it was like immediately covered in a cold sweat thinking of, yes, of course. Looking back on some of the old whose lines is quite painful. And there's no defense for it. The only defense I have is it came out of true ignorance. It came out of not thinking, oh, I have just hurt an entire segment of society, rather than, oh, I need an easy laugh here. And in defending it, so many people say about all of these things, not just the trans comments or hate. Well, it was different times. Yes, it was.

We all recognize that. We all recognize that. But does that make it wrong to examine that it's a regretful situation that had we been aware and to change it going forward we're not pretending i mean there were so many things i was completely ignorant of like literally no one taught me but it doesn't make me go back break out into a cold sweat and go who did i hurt by making that joke who did i hurt by making that joke? Who did I hurt by? I don't think there's anything wrong with examination. You know, it's the old,

um, you know, you say something when people talk about overly politically corrected, correct, um, uh, black in the word, uh, correctness, um, um. You know what? If your effort to be politically correct saves someone's feelings, it's not killing me to say folks instead of guys. I've worked on it. I've made the effort. That's a small example. But why wouldn't we? Why do we insist on keeping the language and the gestures? We're supposed to be moving ahead. That's what always confuses me. We're nowhere near a Star Trek's vision of the future.

No, we aren't. That's all I can say. No. And when I look at the evolution of things, because you're kind of referencing, Colin, you were talking about jokes in hindsight you wish you had not made, essentially. And then I think back, I laughed my butt off as a kid with Eddie Murphy, for example, and Delirious. And I revisited it recently.

Didn't laugh at all. I didn't remember that F slur for homosexuals is everywhere right from the hopper and, uh, did not, did not age well. And I mean, you don't have to go back that far because I'm thinking now of like Austin

powers. There's, you know, there's, there's mildly so, but there's transphobic jokes in Austin powers, movies, naked gun movies,

movies that we all laughed at. And again, it's all about, you know, educating. It's like, you know, when I think of how they're trying to sort of censor teaching Americans about their history because a lot of it puts them in a bad light. It's like, you know what? You need that. You have to, as Deb was saying, you examine, you see where you made mistakes so you can't repeat them and strive to make yourself better in some way. I mean, look no further than yesterday for misogyny.

And in fact, I don't know if you've heard anything, because I'd really like to see it, heard anything about Chris Rock's new act where he finally deals with the slap. And I was reading, I think it was the New York Times, maybe someone didn't transcribe it, but a lot of the act was in there. And I was so disappointed to see that the route he took was misogyny, where he blamed her. And I thought, well, I don't know what their situation is. I don't blame them or not blame them.

But I thought, that's the route. So you've been ill-used and you're going to blame her for, you know, lording it over him, for bossing him around. I won't use the old saying for women bossing men around. But that she, because of the very woman she is, and I think, yeah, well, we all saw the moment where they showed her looking hurt and disgusted and him laughing until he saw her face. So that's his, then the machismo kicked in, the testosterone came bulging and he went to the rescue.

Whatever their relationship is, I thought, I was really disappointed to see that Chris Rock took that road. He could have gone many roads without laying this at her feet. No matter how responsible she may be for their relationship. They're still together. I was disappointed because I'm a fan of his. But in fairness, there were experts, experts, there were experts saying, you know, Chris Rowland, there were excerpts. And in fairness, one of my main things about our whole society lately is context context context you can't take a sentence out and go and you said by the lord um but so i haven't seen so i would like to see it to see if it comes off that way this particular journalist felt it did and i jumped on his bandwagon i know it was

the same when i slapped brent but the Junos. Oh, remember? Remember? Oh, just people went insane. Brent Butt, much like you two now, you two are FOTMs now. That means you're friends of Toronto Mic'd. Okay? Brent Butt's an FOTM. Oh, God.

And Nancy's got a new show. Does she? Yeah, it's on AMC. I can't remember what it's called. Should have brought it up. Should have had the title there. Well, you two on AMC. I don't remember what it's called. Should have brought it up. Should have had the title there. Well, you two have been great. And dare I say, you were even funny, so as advertised.

So thank you for that. The cleaning guy will be happy. Before I say goodbye, though, I will say from one parent to two other parents that Kinley's very lucky to have you. And I love, I love how supportive you were for her during her journey. And I just, my heart breaks for all the kids out there who don't have parents like Deb and Colin.

Yeah, we've been, she's, we also have to give her some credit because she is a great person. And when she, when she told us about the transition, she also gave us as much information as she could. We were sent videos and documents so we could get sort of up to speed as much as we could at that point. that point so um yeah and i i also want to say uh deb played a big part in the raising of uh kinley um because when whose line started happening for me she said you know what i'm going to take a little step back from the career and make sure that kinley has a safe place so uh kudos to both i've been very fortunate with women in my life. Well, except for my mother.

Oh, is this on? You daredevil. I'm kidding, mom. You know I love you. Will your mom see not see, I didn't record the video, but will your mom hear this episode? No, she can't work her computer. No, but people may and tell her. Oh no, she'll find it funny.

She has a good sense of humor. Oh God almighty. And on that note. Thanks so it funny. She has a good sense of humor. Oh, God almighty. And on that note. Thanks so much. Honestly, what a pleasure. And one day I hope to meet you in person. If I do meet you in person, just know I come armed with Italian food from Palma Pasta and fresh craft beer from Great Lakes Brewery.

So you might want to meet me at some point down the line there. Okay. Well, so far we've seen your elbow and your upper torso. fresh craft beer from Great Lakes Brewery. So you might want to meet me at some point down the line there. So far we've seen your elbow and your upper torso. So next time we'll try to get the whole thing in. Well thank you for having us on. That was very kind of you and we enjoyed it. And that

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