Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - D-Sisive: Toronto Mike'd Podcast Episode 1763

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

In this 1763rd episode of Toronto Mike'd, Mike chats with D-Sisive before an exciting announcement. Toronto Mike'd is proudly brought to you by Great Lakes Brewery, Palma Pasta, Ridley Funeral Home, the Waterfront BIA, Blue Sky Agency and RecycleMyElectronics.ca. If you would like to support the show, we do have partner opportunities available. Please email Toronto Mike at [e-mail].

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Decisive Did you say Chunk D in that opening? Is that because I told you when I asked you if you want to do the cold open I said Chuck D did it so Decisive better do it and then you called yourself chunk D See what I do?

It's just you know what they just fly Well you know before I ever met you I was a big decisive fan you know this. Yeah. Well, I don't know. It's awkward for me.

Yes, that is true. Confirm or deny those allegations. You've mentioned that before. And I'm going to just run by the first two visits and then we're going to have a nice time catching up. Yeah, this is my third, right? This is your third visit.

But I pursued you. Like, that sounds like, it is what it is, which is I pursued you for years before you graced me with your presence. Years? Years. I can go back.

I know. delete any of my email and g-mail i can go back i got the receipts man for years i pursued you but you were going through this and that and it took until april 22 but now this is your third visit yeah okay yeah so i'm i'm glad that you at least kind of scrape the surface of that i was kind of going through it so you know there is a bit of a there there is an excuse but once i like once i got healthy and here and and i and i kind of love like like i and i kind of love like Like, I'll be honest with you, I kind of love having the, what's the right word to say, sorry, what's the right word to use?

I love that I can just hit you up because this was, like, I requested this. I pursued you for appearance number three, you know? So, like, I kind of love that I can just hit up because you're pretty important to our city. You know, and that, that's a fact. So, and, you know, I do kind of, I kind of. I come here today with a bit of a mission. So you called this meeting. So soon we'll find out the purpose of the meeting.

But may I tell people about your first two visits? And then I'll read the description, which might spark a little catch-up before we find out why you decisive called this meeting. Of course. Okay. So I mentioned I pursued you for years. But again, I'm not angry.

You were going through some stuff, I found out about what you were going through when you visited in April 2022 and here is what I wrote at the time. In this 1,034th episode of Toronto Mike, Mike is joined by rapper producer

Decisive, aka Derek Christoph as he shares his story of musical success, working with Stu Stone, rolling with Saget, getting sued for nobody with a notepad. I can't get enough of that fucking story, by the way.

Yeah. Actually, you're wearing, uh, kudos to you, you're wearing a Terry Fox t-shirt. I ran for Terry on, uh, Sunday at High Park and I,

I should be wearing my Terry Fox shirt. But kudos to you, uh, for wearing that t-shirt. But if I were you, I would have a t-shirt that just said, uh, I was sued.

What was the guy's name? The Motown guy. Lamont Dozier. Oh, what a big name too. Yeah. I was sued by Lamont Dozier. Like,

I would just wear that t-shirt everywhere. But let me finish this description and then we'll hear more decisive here. Uh, we talked of, about the opi-ed. I can't even say that word. The opiate. Is that you say it? Opiates, yeah. The opiate addiction that almost killed him and your comeback. So, yeah, you had a good reason for not dropping by. I'm just glad you're okay. But any update on any of those topics?

Well, when was the last time I was here? March 20, 23. 2023. Maybe I should run through that. I didn't catch up. Let me do that. Let me do that. I'm taken over of my own show. March 2023, you came back for episode 1,219. Again, I asked you because I read something, I think it was Facebook, maybe it was Instagram, but I read about your near-death experience,

and I was blown away by this story. So we caught up and we discussed your near-death experiences with plural, multiple, and how it altered your course of creativity. So now that I've kind of read both descriptions, where do I begin? Any update

on the nobody for a notepad? which was a great song but like are you still paying for that or is that is that taking care of now? Yeah that that was um resolved uh years ago um Lamont Dozier I can't remember what exactly what year but he has passed and I I can't remember did you have anything to do with that no comment no comment FBI they're still trying to you paid for his Ridley funeral home funeral basically is what we're learning Ridley. Yeah, but he has passed.

I wonder if my last visit if we talked about the discovery I had made about him and the multiple lawsuits. Did we, I don't know if you remember that. Give it, give it to me again. Hit me. Yeah. So, so now I will preface all of this with I was guilty. And, you know, I'm not one, like, there's, it's funny. Sorry, I don't want my.

But for those, we will tell people, it's all in episode 10034, but in a nutshell, you didn't clear a sample that you used for your excellent song, nobody with a notepad. Yeah, which happens in hip-hop. You know, hip-hop is all about sampling and some artists clear the sample, which means getting permission to use it legally. Some don't. I have cleared some in my day, one being, you know, I sample Tom Waits. uh his song underground and he heard the song loved it actually one of my highlights um the fact that he's heard my music and you know even if he listened to 15 seconds of it but the fact that he gave it the thumbs up that was amazing to me lamont dozier his song it's called pedlin music

on the side that we did not attempt to get permission for and and it's not like we sampled like four second loop. I essentially took the song and just wrapped over the entire thing. That's the chorus basically. Yeah. My, uh, my best friend slash collaborator slash producer Rob Moonshine Baker, he produced the beat. He added incredible percussion over it and he, he brought it to life, even though it's already a fantastic song. But we, we, we point is, is we stole. We took a lot of real estate from that song. As I recall, you didn't expect the song to be as big. as it was, so you thought you could hide like under the radar, but then because you

were celebrated and won awards and shit, like, Lamont's like, let me hit this guy up for some cash so he can pay for my Ridley Funeral Home Funeral. Exactly. Like 99.9% of all hip hop artists across

the world, we don't well, independent artists, we don't expect our music to hit beyond I don't know, our a small population of our city but mine just happened to catch on and and I won an award

a so can songwriting prize for it and that's what you know it just kind of it is one person heard it which led to another person which led to another which got back to Lamont Dozier and his representation and part of the award was a $5,000

check and they assumed that there were royalties and record sales where I'm sure if I won something in the states of that same of the equivalent of the so can maybe there would have been a lot more money but this is Canada here and well I think it may I can laugh about it now I couldn't laugh I know I get it man but I remember getting the first the initial letter from his lawyer and they were demanding some it was something around three $300,000. And I was working with a record label called Urbanet.

I'm still close with Daryl Rodway, who's the founder of the label. And he called me that morning and he's like, dude. Ray, what, Rodway or Rodwell? Rodway, Darryl Rodway. You know a Daryl Rodwell? No. Rodway. So he, yeah, he called me that morning and he's like, dude, we got to talk.

And it's, like I said, I can laugh now. So they hit us up and they wanted. something around 300,000, and we replied, so we countered the letter with, we can send you $300. And they weren't satisfied with that number. Because they don't realize, when they smell that you've won some award in that it had a monetary value to it, they're like, oh, like, there's got to be royalties at play here. We got a hit here.

We are on a hit that we're not being compensated for us. So they assume there's big bucks at play. But little do they know. making that single probably cost you money. Well, yeah. We've never, we've never received much. And this is no offense to Urbanette, but we never received like a label advance.

Like me and Rob, we produced around 13 albums for free, just on our own. He produced it. For love of the game. Yeah, we mixed it in his room. And yeah, so. You should have sent him like his share of the debt.

Right. Like this is what it cost us. If you could contribute, you know, 50% we'd appreciate it and send him an invoice. Well, the crazy thing is, so we start talking with his lawyer. And again, I don't want to repeat the story if I've said it previously. You know, I like this story. So it's all about me, man. I like this story. And then you can laugh about it now. His lawyer was named Daniel Stewart. And so we actually, we work out a deal. I'll just be transparent. We settled on 10,000 U.S. still a lot of money for you yeah oh yeah like yeah crazy so we we that's a new roof man so we pick the day where we were going to transfer the money and maybe two days before i get an email from his lawyer asking me hey once the money's transferred and we have it in our hands i want to talk to you and right away i get like defensive i'm like why are you like you can

fucking sue me again if you found more are you representing more motown art artist and he's like no it's nothing like that at all so we transfer the money and i get on the phone with him that night and he tells me that lamont like loved the song and wanted to do a put he wanted to possibly do a collaboration of and that like blew my mind like i couldn't understand that i'm like i've spent the past few months like depressed and just you know overdosing on anxiety over this and now you guys are like hey let's make music together but he put it in a way you know which reminds me of like obviously it's nowhere near the same level but you hear that story about like michael jackson and paul mccartney you know when michael jackson bought paul mccartney's

publishing right and michael jackson's like hey it's just business and that's that's how they were about it they were like look man you you stole something you got caught you paid your debt back and now we're good and let's all be friends And that was, you know, it was weird to me, you know, because you're spending months terrified and having to scrounge up money to pay for this, having to find money that you don't have. And it was all just a strange experience. But so anyways, we all get past that. The collaboration didn't happen. Maybe a year, two years later, a friend of mine sends me a link. And I think it was either in New York Times or a, Los Angeles Times article on Lamont Dozier, and it basically said that he was at the time the number 13th biggest tax delinquent in California. So he went on this lawsuit rampage and just went after every single artist who had sampled him. And it, like, the last, I'm pretty sure it was he had around like 90 to a you know somewhere around 90 to 100 lawsuits happening and artists like

I remember like hearing three six mafia there were it might have been three six mafia where he had sued them they had settled with him and then they sampled him again like there there were just crazy like they just didn't care because they I guess when you're that big you can afford uh to pay the Settlement. But this explains why he was so eager to get 10,000 U.S. out of poor little Derek here in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Because for those who don't know, the songwriting team of Holland Dozier, Dozier, is how do you say it? Or how do you say Dozier?

I say LaMont Dozier. Yeah, I've always struggled with that because what do I know? Holland, Dozier and Holland, they wrote, let me get the right number here, they wrote 10 Billboard Hot 100 number one pop hits. starting with the Supremes, where did our love go? Like, this guy doesn't need Derek Christoph's $10,000. He did, though. Greedy, son of a bitch, I'm glad he's dead.

You know, I'm kidding here, everybody. I'm kidding here. But anyway, I just feel for you because that $10,000 for one person is pocket change. And for the next person, I think that would be a good chunk of money for you. Yeah, but I stole. And I I guess I stole it But you didn't make any money on the song

Yeah that is true But I guess the idea is it raises your profile So you can charge a whole $10 to watch you perform live Or something like that right Like that's the plan here Yeah All right so I'm sorry for This is kind of like greatest hits

Where you have talked about that I probably hit you up for that info in March as well But since you were over in April 22 Bob Saggett passed away Yeah But I know this has been well covered on Toronto Mike, so we won't do an hour on this, except to say that I pulled out my copy. Thank you to Mark Wise Blunt for this copy, which Stu Stone tells me it was a promotional copy, because I guess they do this etch in the duo case. Oh, I remember that.

Yeah, yeah. So Mark didn't pay for this copy, but he gave me his copy of Blown up, Jamie Kennedy and Stu Stone. Oh, so Mark Wise Blot is sort of, I'll call him a pundit, but he is surveying all the media and, the zeitgeist and the digital universe we live in. And he's a smart cat who I used to have on every month but it's been a while. So Mark, if you're listening if you want to make an appearance in

2025, we're running out of runway. So hit me up if you want to do that. But anyway, he gave me this and one of the big songs on this was rolling with Saget. And remind the listenership your role in the great Stu Stone Jamie Kennedy song, Rolling with Saget.

Well, I produced the music entirely and I I guess I wrote the first version of the song there was a

I had met Stu Stone who is is he he's top tier like friend of the show right? He has the second

most appearances who's first a guy named Cam Gordon who went to high school with Stu how do I know Cam Gordon

was director of communications at Twitter Canada before Elon bought it and musked everybody. He's also most famous, in my opinion, for being the co-host. We did Pandemic Friday episodes of Toronto Mike, where Cam Gordon and Stu Stone would come over

every single week during the pandemic to record a thematic jam kicking to keep the FOTM's spirits high and to basically help get us through a global pandemic. Okay. That's what he's most famous for. That would be the first line in his Wikipedia entry. Did you...

Did the three of you... follow the social distancing guidelines? I think we moved it outside. I do think we did our best to follow the rules. They were very stringent, but I think we did most of these episodes in the backyard. Okay. I even bought a heater.

Like, so this is how serious I was, because we would set up in my outside, I guess there was no limitations or whatever. So we would record outside. It got cold, of course, and I got, it's Toronto. And I bought like a heater that I plugged in to keep us from like like my gear from freezing. Like I made great efforts to keep that thing going.

We did 76 weeks in a row. That's amazing. I know it's amazing. Where's our order of Canada? Okay, so... You beat me, I was just about to say that. You actually deserve the order of Canada. Well, you know, for that.

Get your mouth to Mark Carney's ears. Whoever makes that fucking call. But so we lost Bob Sagitts since we recorded. I believe he died since then. And I wonder if that increased spins of rolling with Sagitt Did you get any royalty checks? No. I'm going to say no to that.

But there were a few, like, well, it's sad because of the circumstance, but there were a few kind of cool moments. Like, so, again, like, I, yeah, so how did it work? Yeah, so Stu, I met Stu, we clicked immediately. He's one of the best guys ever. And we, there was a few projects that we worked on, and then he called me one day. and was like, hey, and this was before, you know,

and this is where I got to give Stu and Jamie, Jamie Kennedy from the Jamie Kennedy experiment. I have to give those guys props because this was before the Bob Sagitt resurgence. You know, like when he kind of came out as the filthy guy, you know, his appearances on entourage. Half-baked. Yeah, yeah. But this wasn't, maybe this wasn't.

Maybe this wasn't before half-baked. Okay. Because half-baked was where he said... Sucked him. Yeah, he said, you ever suck dick for marijuana? Yeah. But that was mind-blowing because it was Danny Tanner, right?

Like, didn't he direct half-baked too? Oh, my goodness. I think he directed... I think you're confusing it with dirty work. No, no. I don't think he directed... I'm going to find out who directed half-big. But who directed dirty work?

Why do I think it's Bob Sagget? I don't... We're going to find out, and keep going, and I'm going to find out answers to all these questions. Yeah, so Stu hit me up and he's like, hey, Jamie and I were... Tamara Davis directed Half-Baked, so Sagitt just had a cameo in that. I'm now going to tell you the...

In fact, I'll do this real time. So maybe Sagitt did dirty work. You might be right. I think Sagitt directed dirty work with Norm McDonald and... And let me see here. Dirty work director. So the dirty work was directed by Bob Saget. You win this round.

Mike? Yeah, it's directed by Bob Saget. It filmed here because I watched them film at Jane and Annette. They took over a store and I was watching that. Artie Lang and Norm McDonald. There's a nice cameo in there from Chris Farley, I recall. So there's your Toronto connection to Bob Saget. Wait, hold on, hold on.

You saw them filming Dirty Work? Because they took over a storefront just like, I'm going to say, just east of Jane on Annette. And I saw they were filming Dirty Work. Yes, sir. Yep. Is it where, like, that convenience store is now? Yeah, it's for, you know what?

You know what did it be, did it become like a, I feel like it became a, I feel like it became a, is there a tennis racket stringing place there? So I knew this area, as a kid, that was my byway. There was a by, now it's townhomes or something, but there was a byway there. At Jane and Annette? At Jane and Annette, yeah, on Annette Street. So we're on the north side of Annette Street. Just a little bit east of Jane, there was a byway.

And that's where I got my, uh, Dukes of Havis. Sheets and I had a huge crush on Daisy Duke and the pillowcase on one side of the pillowcase was Bow and Luke and on the other side was Daisy and I only wanted to sleep on Daisy yeah and I'm ready for that I believe somewhere in a crate in this room I'm pointing to now I believe I kept that pillowcase if you still have that that's incredible I think so yeah but that was purchased at the byway which was the one that's gone now but the one that was that Jane and Annette. Well, I don't want to, like, kind of give up where you are located, but I did a little wandering

because I was very early. You saw the Rogue Byway. Yeah, and I was excited. Because, like, what I'm here to talk to you about, Byway is kind of associated with what we have to talk about later. Well, we're going to, because obviously, you call this meeting. If it involves Byway, you've wet my appetite. Wet with an H.

There's an H in there. It's funny, because Mark Wiseblot, when he would come here, when Mark Wiseblot would, visit once a month he would do the wandering thing he had a ritual where he would do the wandering and he would take his great legs beer by the way i have fresh craft beer for you derrick to i'd bring home with you but he would bring his great legs beer to like the to the lake because i'm near the lake it's a cold lake ontario it's a great fucking lake i just want you to know that so great he'd bring his great legs beer to the lake and he'd have a ritual where he would consume it was like the only beer he would consume all month would be but but he would often

back in the day of twitter before everybody got musked he would tweet a photo of the rogue byway. That byway was unauthorized and I believe it's now been shut down. But it was the rogue byway. You can Google rogue byway and you'll see an entry on Toronto Mike.com in which I talk about this

building. Well, when was it open? Well, it was a byway. And then it was a byway. But like from it's been like that for 30 years? For 40 years or whatever. So no one's touched that building? Well, they changed the sign a bit. Like when byway, they changed it to byway and then they put in a small font zone.

so they call it the byway zone. I don't know if they thought that would prevent Lamont Dozier from suing them for $10,000. You're not stopping. I love that fucking story. You can't stop Lamontz. So, in our catch-up, I think you were going down this road,

but nobody wanted Bob Saget to die. No. Nobody did. Why would we want this wonderful man to die? I'd wear that shirt, too. He died. Nobody wants Bob Sagin to die. No.

But when he died. That's on the back of the Lamont. Did you drop your phone? I know. So when D. Just... Good luck crystal. Okay, pick up everything there.

And I'll just say that when he did die, the song Roland with Sagitt, which you're a big part of, did get a lot of exposure because a lot of places, a lot of people were playing rolling with Sagitt, sort of in Bob Sagitt's memory. Yeah. It was a bit of a trip because, like,

I would turn on, not turn on. I would visit T. I'm pretty, obsessed with celebrity culture and celebrity gossip and all that shit and one of my go-to websites is TMZ so when he died I remember like the main page being flooded for like days and you know I would see videos of I one in particular is John Stamos driving listening to rolling with Sagitt and you know it kind of blew my mind you know because I'm just sitting there like

made that. And it's a good song. I think so. And it was a, I don't know if I, I talked about this, but it was a, I fully cop, well, it was also around when I first started making beats. So it, it, when I listened to it, I'm like, oh, I, I could have done, I could do so much better now. But, um, I totally built it over NWA, uh, is it a straight? Straight out of Compton. Like I think that I even layered it. Like I had looped the main straight out of Compton and programmed the drums over it.

So it's exactly the same. And Stu, starting with, you're now about to witness the strength of Bob Sagitt. That by Michelle part, like these are all parts that, you know, and I'm going to brag because I'm proud of those moments and I'm glad that they made the final cut of the song. But I, yeah, so when Stu, he pitched the idea to me and I immediately dove in and recorded a demo so there I wish I

wonder if Stu would still have it but there is the original version of me rapping he might oh text them I would that would be incredible if Stu had I would love to hear that because I remember one part so I I recorded my version and I sent it to Stu and Jamie and they took parts because I remember if we listen to the song I can tell you. tell you i that's me that's me but they added their own parts which are amazing and definitely heighten the song but there was one part that got cut and i guess i can understand why but it bummed me out because i thought it was so funny um there's i haven't heard in so long but i know there's a like there's a part with him and dmx hanging or some something like that that was

Stu and Jamie, but I had a part in maybe the second verse and where Bob Sagitt gets pulled over by the police and I lifted a couple of lines from Jay-Z 99 problems and were the cops like, sir, do you know why I'm stopping you for? And Bob Sagitt was supposed to go because I'm young and I'm black and my hat's real low. Do I look like a mind reader, sir? I don't know. And that didn't make the cut. MTV gave that part the thumbs down

Could have been because maybe you'd have to give Jay-Z Publishing taking you know how I am When it comes to stealing other people's music I'm pretty reckless One spit in twice shy though You don't want to cough up another 10,000 No, I feel like Jay Z would have want more than 10 And he needs it less

Yeah And it could have been because of Bob Sagitt Referring to himself as Black, who knows But that's the comedic brilliant of the line. I am, so we're talking a little bit about Stu Stone. Can I just rapid fire, just name some rappers

and you tell me if you've had any experience either personal or professional of these rappers? Sure. Okay, thanks. It's my fucking joke. I'm going to do it anyway. You have to get so angry. I'm down to do it.

No, I don't know why. I'm just, I'll be honest, when I see you, you get angry? No, I get so pissed off. I'm like, this asshole is here. again. No. You've always been nice to you.

It's the opposite. It's the opposite. I get excited. Like, I feel like, I feel like we've been friends for decades. And I'm like, this is the third time you've been in the same room as this, man. It's kind of a bizarre, I don't know how to explain it. But it's like my law, when you say, when you called this meeting, it just felt right. It just felt like, my buddy Derek's going to hang with me for 60 to 90 minutes.

I was very excited. So I think I'm a little amped. Yeah. You know what I know. I love coming here. I love coming here. I need to come down, maybe. But there's a gentleman.

moment I've been hanging with this summer quite a bit. Snow. Have you worked with snow? Like you're, you hang out with him? Yeah. I know, it sounds bizarre to say it out loud,

but it is true. I have not worked with him, but I have, I don't know if it's like an interesting story. Let me be the judge of that. But I was, I've been in a studio with him. He probably wouldn't remember it at all.

And I was, so this goes back to, when I met Stu because I met, Stu and I were introduced by a gentleman named Mike McCarty. And currently he owns his own, I guess publishing company or I don't know how to label it. Like you know how you have those, I guess, you know, venture capitalist companies that are buying artists publishing.

You know, like you hear the stories about like, I don't know, I'm making this up, but like Bob Dylan selling his publishing for, $500 million. Sure. So it's along those lines. And I know that's what he, there it is. Kilometer music group.

Yeah, I don't mean as like as if the listener's skin. I'm looking at, I'm looking at a picture of Michael McCarty. So that's him. And he's like, he's a Canadian music industry legend. And he, when I met him, he was the president of EMI Music Publishing Canada. And I had to deal with them through a gentleman named Oren Isaacs who, might be connected to a bit of a Lamont Dozier to yourself

He was the bass player And musical supervisor to the open mic With Mike Bullard Another one of your pals Who has recently passed away Shed up to Ridley Funeral Home So yeah He's a bit of a Lamont to you

I fall You know all these This is amazing, that's amazing connection But I also read here You talked earlier About Michael Jackson buying the Beatles catalog out from under McCartney

Mike McCarty or Michael if you will because Mike fixes my car okay he worked directly with Michael Jackson following that acquisition yeah he he he's told me like crazy stories about

Michael Jackson that I don't think I can tell on this podcast but he's he's told me things like this I didn't spend a lot of time with Mike McCartney but the time I did spend with him I valued and I learned a lot

and this is a guy that's like filled with like he would be an amazing guest for you to get on the show he this guy can he should write a book but he's the guy who introduced me to Stu and EMI music publishing

they had an office at Spadina and not was it Queen and Spadina Adelaide That's where the mech is Adelaide and Spadina Around that But he wanted it more to be like

A hangout spot Instead of just a boring old office So he He did some renovations in the studio And built their own studio And was I saying studio the whole time Or was I saying office In the office he did renovations

And built his studio And this was around the time When like Billy Talent was blowing up and Alexis on fire was blowing up and it was and there I was you know I was just kind of in the mix and I just happened to be there one day when snow was having a session and I can't and the engineer of that studio was a guy named Greg Bellow who also what he had his own independent label which is the label that put out Alexis on fire's first album and I don't know if they licensed it to a major but it would just take a couple of

Googles and you'll find out that label Greg Bello was amazing he was very tall and wore a very big leather jacket but he was the engineer of that studio and I remember walking in and snow is in the booth and I'm like starstruck like snow like snow's the fucking man

and this is probably like 2000 2001 it's a long time ago and it might have been I can't remember if it was before or during like because he had a bit of a pop come back. Of course.

Lizo, tender. Was it called legal? I didn't want to say that word. Yeah, I know what you're saying. Tender and fine. Like, it was around that time. But what was hilarious was, he's in the booth. This is like around the,

everybody wants to be like you. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. Because that was a big hit in this country. Yeah, yeah. It was around, that might have been out at this point. So I'm hanging out and I think Astero was there as well. And I was just like,

in heaven. Like, here is fucking, it's the snowman, man. You're hanging with the snowman. Yeah. I can't even say hanging with. Like, I'm... Can I connect dots here? Do you mind if I connect dots here? You know, he hasn't really... He kind of retires from making new music around that time.

Like Snow's discography, I mean, he does, of course, he did a verse on Concalma which was Daddy Yankees... The Katie Perry? Yes, there's a remix of Katie Perry, absolutely. But Concalma is basically the Puerto Greek and Informer, like it's a Spanish version of Informer, and there is a verse for, but other than that kind of a thing, he hasn't really recorded anything in over 20 years, but there was,

and I've confirmed this, okay, with Snow himself in this basement, but there was a version of in too deep by some 41 with snow on vocals. It was reggae style. Really? Yes. This existed. With, yeah. Who's the Trouble Charger guy with, uh, Greg Nory. Right. Because I'm in too deep And I'm trying to... With snow on vocals in too deep But more reggae style Maybe that's when he was recording there

Because some 41 is one of the artists Signed by Michael McCarty They were there I remember watching them perform at Maybe it was Lee's Palace And it was sold out But this was before... I remember they were like jumping on trampolines

And I thought it was like pretty cool Because even at that time The EMI Publishing crew, you know, it kind of rolled as a family. Like, McCarty would do, like, that was the year, or around that time, the Motown documentary came out. I think it was called In the Shadows of, but it talked about the band that, you know, they were essentially session musicians, but they came up with all the music that defined

a generation. And so there was a, there's a documentary out there about that group of musicians. and like McCarty brought, you know, basically had a movie night where we all went together and watched this film. But anyways, so what's funny about the snow story, so I'm, and I am going to apologize in advance because I'm going to do the worst impression, but I remember like, there he is. Like, it's fucking him. And with the exception of, like, being at a, because I've been to a few, like, snow concerts

in the informer days, like my mom took me, he's the king. and but I'm looking at him through this through the glass and he's talking to Greg and it's funny because Greg is just like this um you know just this big jolly white bearded gentleman you know you know the farthest thing from snow patois from that world and I'm from Egglington and Oakwood so I know that world pretty well but it's so there they are communicating and you know snow I guess there there really is like a Darren and a, Darren O'Brien and a snow. Because he's like, Greg, I'd like to try and do the takeover again.

You know, I felt pitchy in a certain part. And Greg's like, no problem, Darren. I'll, you kind of talk like, sorry, Greg. Is that coming to the frog? Yeah. Or is it Annie Frost? He's like, oh, no problem, Derek. Derek, there I am, Derek, Darren.

He goes, no problem, Darren. I'll let me just line. You know, does what it is? And then he starts, he goes, you know, actually, Greg, when we do the second take, can you, and then, like, just like that, it was just like, can you just, can you just, like, I say, nah, man, I mean, you know, and just starts doing what he did, and I remember sitting there, and on, there's a couch in the studio, and I was like, holy fuck.

Like, I was, like, just so, like, blown away by it. And he, he, he goes back and forth from, like, like, he really talks, like, informer. Right. Yeah, it's bonnet, like, holy shit. So, like, I don't know, that was like a moment that if I ever meet him again, like, I will have to bring it up. Well, let me say this. Why are you hanging out with snow all the time? That's awesome.

Well, I watched his last appearance. Remember, I was in the chat. I was chatting it up. Oh, my God, yes, you were. Okay, so there's a lot of places. Right, that was a toast. He zoomed in. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I asked him the name of his dog, and he says, I can't say the dog's name. Yeah, I remember that. But, okay, so. German, German dog? It's like a killer dog. Like, that dog kills. I think. It's like a top secret.

We probably already said too much here. But Snow was the guest of honor at the last Toronto mic listener experience, which was number 19 at Great Lakes Brewery in South Atobico. He was, anybody who came out to TMLX 19 could have been hanging with the snowman. He was the nicest guy. He took selfies with anyone who wanted. He was there to chat.

It was great to have him there. I wish you were there, man. I wish you were at TMLX19. You could have been hanging off the snowman once again. I'd love to hang with Snowman. So here's what I'm trying to do, and I'm going to try to make this happen. So the next TMLX is actually next Thursday,

but this is like a, it's kind of exclusive where you have to get on a list. So it's not like anyone can just show up. Well, anyone can show up at GLB, brew pub, at Jarvis and Queens Key next Thursday at 6. But I've got a list of 40 VIPs. I could sneak you in as a 40-first if you were available to join us at TMLX 20, which is again next Thursday at 6 p.m.

I don't know what you got going on. But we're going to be at GLB brew pub at Jarvis and Queens Key. But this is a long-winded way of saying. TMLX21 is now confirmed for Saturday, November 29, at noon at Palma's Kitchen in Mississauga. And I'm going to see if I can get snow at that event. So snow won't be at TMLX20 next week, but he should be at, he might be at TMLX21. Derek, get it in your calendar, brother, November 20. 29 at noon.

I will be there. And Stu will be there too. I'll get you and Stu on the mic at the same time because we're going to do a live recording at Palma's Kitchen in Mississauga. I feel like that has to happen. And I can't, I'm kind of... But I can make that happen. That's the shit I do.

I make that happen. I'm the connector. Yeah, you're a thing. Maybe I'll get you and snow on and then replace snow with stew. Or maybe I'll get you all on and kick Elvis out of the co-hosting seat or whatever. So everyone who's listening to me right now is invited to join me for TMLX21. at Palma's Kitchen in Mississauga on Saturday, November 29, 2025, at noon, be there.

Are lasagna is going to be available for purchase? I'm glad you at. Well, for purchase, of course, because Palma's Kitchen has this wonderful retail store, but get this, everybody who comes to TMLX21 gets fed by Palma pasta for free. And because you're here now, my good friend, And this is, I mean, I can't make up for the 10K you had to wire Lamont.

It still pisses me off. But I do have in my freezer upstairs, a large beef lasagna. Oh, yes. That was sent over by Palma pasta for you, buddy. You got a solid, like, link with Palmas. Absolutely. I remember getting these lasagnas. That's why you asked to come back.

You're hungry. I'm done. I finished my first stew, finally. Like, I just kept them frozen. Because I live in a house of vegetarian. Oh, wait a minute. Do I need to get you a vegetarian lasagna? No.

Because I can do that. Because the more beef. Okay, the more for you. More for me. Because the one in my freezer is a beef, but I can get you vegetarian. Also, Ridley Funeral Home, they have a great podcast called Life's Undertaken. They've sent over a measuring tape for you. I'm taking that.

I do a lot of measuring. I'll tell you that much. What are you measuring over there? Oh. Don't ask, right? Blue Sky Agency, D. Chunk D. I'm still, that's fucking hilarious.

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He's Doug at blue skyagency.com. Let him know you're an FOTM. Call him. I'm going to call him. Write him, visit him. I'm telling him. Give him a back rub. But these, uh, these.

What is he sent for me? what do I get from him well do you have any office space that needs to be dynamic and creative maybe then you're no good to us come on why I need to measure he's got to give me something to measure yeah well I eat lasagna you got to measure

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dot CA, put in your postal code and find out where you can drop everything off to be properly recycled. And I'm just going to tell the listenership that I have an episode next week with the good people at the Waterfront BIA. We're going to talk about some amazing events happening on Toronto's Waterfront

in the next few weeks. So stay tuned for that, but much love to the Waterfront BIA for sponsoring the show all summer stepping up to help fuel the real talk. We love that, right? Love it. We love that. Okay, so we're about to get to why you dropped by.

But I actually, this is not a sponsor endorsement, but I had a guest last week named James Bo. He's an author. He came in all the way from Kitchener. And he wants me to read, like, this is literally like a correction he's asking me to read. Oh. I was going to read it yesterday with Humble Howard, but it never, there's no good time to do that. So here it is. You ready? This sounds heavy. Is this heavy? It's not heavy at all. But he asked me to do this, and I'm going to do it because James Boe was a lovely man and I enjoyed our conversation. So James Bo says...

Well, is he as lovely as Doug Mills? No, but Doug Mills is the loveliest. And then James Boe is a quick, a close second. Will you tell Doug Mills that I said he's lovely too? I'm hoping he'll listen to this. He's kind of a big D-head, so I'm hoping he's listening right now. All right.

I'm hoping you can do a correction for me in your next episode. I inadvertently referred to the Toronto Star Reporter who shared our legal response to the C& Tower because he was being sued, he had a cease-a-d-d-dissed from the C-N Tower for putting the C-N Tower on his book cover. Oh, come on.

So he sampled, same thing. Same shit, right? He sampled the C-N-Tower. So he referred to this Toronto Star reporter as David Bickle, but he aired. It should have been David Nickle. Ooh.

So James is, he heard himself say it wrong, and I think it's been bothering him. So basically, this is just a correction to say he meant David Nicol, and he says he feels really bad because he was just with David Nicol, like a month ago, doing a reading in support of Edmonton's WorldCon, which is a science fiction convention. I guess it's a bid for WorldCon. I don't know.

Bottom line is, he said David Bickle, he meant David Nicol. If I did a correction like this for every time I misspoke, the whole episode would just be corrections. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, and then again, unpaid sponsorship, but then we're going to get this big announcement from Decisive. I don't know what it is. I'm going to play something and you're going to take over.

But Jamie Dew, J.D., he is an FOTM. He has a podcast about the Tragically Hip. He didn't give me a penny to say this, but I'm going to say it anyways. He has an event at the rec room in downtown Toronto on October 4th. There's going to be a cover, a tragically hip cover band called the Strictly Hip. There's going to be a special guest, some photographer named Richard B. who's going to share stories about spending time with the Tragically Hip. There's prizes.

There's a silent auction. There's a grand finale. They're going to record the grand finale of the top 40 tragically hip countdown. So tickets are 25 bucks. If you're a Toronto Mike listener and you use the promo code Toronto Mike, all one words, he's going to give you 15% off. So save 15% with the Toronto Mike promo code. Go to Eventbright.ca and find this thing.

It's called, did I ever get a name of this thing? The tragically hip top 40 countdown and that's happening on October 4th. I did that for free. That's amazing. You were a beautiful man. Not only did, do that for free,

but I've given him many a lasagna, okay? Many? I feel like he should be, maybe he should shout out TMLX21 on his podcast. Yeah. And this could be like a barter deal.

He should. Do you want me to, go ahead? Has he been on more than three times? He's been on probably three or four. four times, absolutely. Can I play? I have something you sent me, and it's three and a half minutes. Do I play it? Or do I, I'll play it until you tell me to bring it down and then you could speak to it? What do you think is the best way to approach this decisive? Is it the video? Yeah, is it too visual? I have the audio here. It's like a sizzle reel. You want to play it? Well, I'm going to

play it while you decide if I should play it. It's not the final version, but bug it. Okay. So let's listen and then we'll hear from Decisive. And I don't know what's coming. I'm buckling up, though. So I urge you to buckle up as well. And now our feature presentation. Jesus Christ, another lawsuit. When I was eight years old,

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My reality, a laptop, a USB mic, and the voice of a middle-aged rapper who still believes in miracles. So until Bob Iger PayPal's me some of that Disney money, I'll be making this happen the independent world. It all happens on Northcliff Boulevard, the street that raised me, and the original stage for the people who shaped my world. Like my dad, hockey was his religion, beer was his holy water, and rap music, rap was straight up blasphemy, if I was the one making it. My mom, an angel from heaven disguised as a French Canadian from Sudbury who would do anything for me, and did, like take me to see vanilla ice at Maple Leaf Gardens for my 12th birthday. And then there's Grandpa, my 80-year-old best friend, biggest cheerleader, and the man I shared a room with until I was 10.

Relax, we had two single beds. The plan is to have all my characters voiced by iconic Canadian legends, so if anyone has David Suzuki's hotmail address, hit me up. And I'm not just telling a story. I'm crafting a Canadian masterpiece that's shared for generations like Mr. Dress Up, the Log Drivers Waltz, and Porky's. Little Fat Derek from Northcliff is officially in production, and episode one, the elegantly titled Grandpa Shit the Bed, is aiming for an October 2025 release. It'll be available on all DSPs, YouTube, Napster, Winamp, and wherever you listen to your podcasts. Follow along, tell a friend, and meet the little fat kid with a big fat drink. I'm getting excited now.

I'm getting excited right now. I'm excited, so I actually purposely never listened to that until right now. So you sent me a link. I ripped it to MP3, loaded it in this soundboard I'm looking at right now, and I just heard that for the first time. I fucking want to listen to this. Six episodes, you said? Yeah, that's that's that's that.

Did you get David Suzuki? Not yet. Still working on it. Still working on it. You better hurry up. So tell me more You've wet with an H You've wet my appetite once again

Well okay Now first before I get into it This Not that you ever questioned it But sometimes you can get a little mean When I'm around But this should prove to you How much I love Toronto Mike

Because this is the first time I've actually talked about this And this is a project I've been working on over the past year maybe a little bit longer I've always had this idea

this dream of creating an animated show about myself my childhood me discovering hip hop music and I started working it's just to jump right into it

I started working for this post house I'm also a video editor on the, I also do that. So I worked for this post house called Coma Edits and I, how do I get into it without getting too into it? Coma Edits was founded by a fantastic editor named Taylor McConakey and she's been my boss for the past year and a bit. And on top of the post,

house she also you know wanted to get into creating original content they wanted to create a production um how would you work production house like yeah yeah they also wanted to produce they want to compete with TMDS yes basically we've talked we've actually said that in meetings at the office but so there was a there was staff the only reason why I'm kind of of tiptoeing around it is we I'm not going to say is I'm not working there anymore right but there's still amazing people everything is amazing and but it's yeah okay let me start over so I worked for this place coma edits and we we all start in post yeah we all starts throwing around our original ideas and I had this amongst three or four other ideas I brought to the

Like one year years starring Derek Christon. I think I'm overthinking this a little too too much but I'm also nervous right now because this is the first like I'm launching it yeah like it's something that has just been

you know mine and something that I've been kind of working but I haven't been sharing yeah so you know Taylor gave me an amazing platform to start working on it and she helped helped me come up with she just helped in a lot of different ways

she's a great help but here's my problem so we're working essentially in television and I was also mentoring under a few people like learning how the TV game Canadian film and TV game works and I quickly learned that it's extremely difficult almost next to a

to get funding for projects. It's so hard. And now I, and a lot of people that I met, they found themselves pretty discouraged by that. But I'm always trying to like figure out ways to make shit happen. Like I said earlier in the episode, like my boy, Rob and I, like, we didn't have money to make albums, but we still made shit happen.

And I just kind of, I had it in my head that I need to make a little fat Derek happen regardless. Now my dream is for it to be an animated series. I would love for this to be a cartoon like Life with Louis, you know, like which was, you know, one of my favorite shows as a kid. Now it takes a lot of money to create an animated series and you need animators and you need everything. But I put myself in this position where I'm like, okay, if I had to make Little Fat Derek right now, with the resources that I have right now, how would I do it? And I came up with the idea of the audio-only, you know, concept. Basically, old-timey radio, you know, like paying homage to that world,

like movies for your ears, to quote a theater of the mind. Theater of the mind. Yeah. So I started working on the show for the past year. and you know fleshing out six episodes and it's and just basically starting from nothing and my dream still is to turn this into an animated series but for the for the time being it's going to be an audio only and it's funny the more you dive into this you you quickly learn how difficult it is to make like i remember being back in like february in march

talking to Taylor and being like, okay, well, let's knock this out and we'll have it released come May. We'll have all episodes. And, you know, here we are. It's fucking September and I'm still working on episode two. And, but one thing I want for this is

like I mentioned in the sizzle reel, I want all my characters to be voiced by like iconic Canadian personalities. You know, whether it's musicians, whether it's actors, whether it's former much music

I love VJs like so but and I don't mean like main characters but like you know let's say well I'll let something

I'll give a little a little nibble of nonas sauce in in the pilot episode Palma Pachucci songs like I actually and I'm and I think you

are connected to this to this gentleman I'm ready but I actually have a part for Steve Anthony former much music VJ. And I don't mean like a part as in like he voices a principle for he I actually have

him as former much music VJ's defense and he's been here a couple of times. Yeah like he in the like I have the script actually I should have brought you. I'm gonna I'm gonna drop one off. I don't even I don't mean interrupt because you're on quite a role except I'm your target audience here man like what you're describing yeah what I crave it's it's hyper local it's independent all this pop culture zeitgeist for somebody born and raised in Toronto of similar vintage to you and I that's my that's what I'm starving for yeah like I'm not saying I have no I should just tell the listenership I didn't produce this fucking show this isn't a TMDS production I want to listen to this I want to subscribe and listen to this I want to hear what you're cooking here I want to taste it you said no

in a sauce I should say Palmas Palmas yeah Palma Petchucci yeah I was at Palma's kitchen to do like a site because we're going to all be there and you'll be there too on November 29th and there's like a I almost want to say a shrine but in the corner of the room we're going to be in

there's like a tribute to Palma Petrucci who just passed away last year the matriarch the namesake Palma Petrucci anyway so much love to the Petruci family here

but you know you said Steve Anthony I think all these names are now banging around in my head of like Canadian famous people who should do a voice on it you need a character voiced

by Steve Paykin how do I know that name he hosts did the agenda on TVO for a long time. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. And he's going, he's confirmed for TMLX 20, TMLX20, which is happening next Thursday at the

GLB Brew Pub. He will be there. He would do it. I'm probably going to come out to that. Will you, will you do a voice? Will you voice a character on it? I think you can aim higher. Like, this is where I'm thinking. No, but I want you to do one too. Okay, well, I'll do a cameo just, uh... Wait, is this your way of telling me no? Oh, I would 100% do it. I actually

think you can do better. This is a voice I want to hear on that podcast. You ready? Yep. No Cleveland, no Bowie. Do you know who that is? Uh, give me one second. Uh, I'll do it again. No Cleveland, no Bowie.

I don't want to be wrong, but is it much music? You got it. Uh, Christopher. Nope. No, Michael. Yep. It's on Michael Williams. It's Michael Williams.

Yes. So, yeah, you can just, I'm telling you, we can, this can be like it for, and I don't want to, like, sometimes I fall into a trap where I talk about Toronto Mike, like it's for Gen X. and then a bunch of people who are baby boomers and a bunch of people who are millennials tell me, I listen every episode, I love it or whatever.

So it's not just for Gen X, but what you're describing now is catnip for Gen X. Yeah. Like hook it to my veins. You know, okay, there's two things, I want to say. One, do you know who my dream, and I think I can make it happen, my dream voice and there's something like in my eye line.

in this room there is a clue in this room Maestro Fresh West I'd love to have him but he's not Wendell Clark Another I would love to have him Like that would be incredible here Is there a voice for Tom Wilson from Junkhouse Well ironically

Taylor McConakey who I brought up my ex-boss She co-edited the Tom Wilson documentary Beautiful Scars That's it She's, yeah. I've even seen the musical. I went to Hamilton to see the musical.

I love it so much. Is there a role? I can't imagine. There's so many clues in this room. Why don't you give me another clue? Because Brian Linehan is no longer with us. Close to Andre, but not Andre. Well, because Andre's dead.

Just so you know. What? Andre's dead. What? No. But so is George Animal Steel. He's dead too. I'm not talking about church.

You're talking about breath of hit man heart. Oh, look at Andre's. I'm looking at Andre CFTR is above his head That doesn't trigger anything Evelyn Maco No Because I'm worried you're gonna tell me

Somebody who's dead No no one dead I'm saying he's my dream I'm not gonna say a dead person Okay Somebody from CFTR Mike Cooper Dude come on

I don't know why I'm struggling I know a lot of people Larry Fedorick Larry Silver Evelyn Macco Dick Smyth is dead So Well if I was like nine years old

Listening to CFTR Tom Rivers But he's long dead Then if I makes Was Tarzan Dan not... No, he was 640. He was SIFTR. Okay, maybe. I'm trying to remember.

I know that he was 640 for sure, but maybe he was 660 CFTR. Tarzan Dan, Dan Freeman, absolutely 100% still on the right side of the dirt. You can still get him. Okay, my apologies. He's one of the goats, and he is my... So I'll tell you a funny, quick story. I had released... Rob and I started working on this mixtape series called The Playground a couple of

years ago, which we are bringing back. But for the first one, I had sampled just some clip from YouTube, CFDR, to introduce the project. And it's, you know, it's Tarzan Dan talking. I love Tarzan Dan. Like, I grew up, which is why I'm pretty sure he was on CFTR. Oh, you're right. You're right.

You're right. But so I'd never thought that I could just reach out to Tarzan Dan. And, like, I, I, I, you know, just, right, I, I'm, when it comes to sampling, I am a kleptomaniac. I can't stop myself from stealing. I don't learn, I don't learn lessons easily. So we released the record and maybe a couple of weeks after its release, I open up Instagram and I see Tarzan Dan followed me. And I almost shit myself. Like, that's like, next level to me.

So I send him a DM and I'm like, dude, like, thank you so much for the follow. you you're everything to me man you're the you're the goat you're the best you're all that and he sends me back a message so i don't know how but he caught the sample and he and he said to me goes next time you want to do something like that ask me and i'll do it and i was like ah you know you remind me of me before this project and that these people i grew up with like the tarzan dan's or whatever like these are mythical huge figures for us Toronto guys yeah and as you'd start doing this project, you realize, oh, Dan's just a guy, probably living in, like, Calgary or something like that. He's just a guy. Like, I mean, Humble Howard was over here yesterday for a 100-minute

chat, and I can pick up the, well, I do happen to produce Humble and Fred, so this is not a great example. But my point is, I listen to him every morning through the 90s. Yeah, Humble and Fred was my morning show in the 90s, and I can pick up a phone and get them both on, and they would both be voices in your damn awesome project you're working on. Like, Canada's star system is different than the American star system. We have access to these people, and they might even visit your basement. Like, there is no superstar system in this country if, for the people who chose to stay here. Yeah.

Like, they're all accessible, and they're all just guys and gals. Yeah. You know what I mean? I'm sure in the States, it's completely different where you can't even get at that person because there's all these layers between you and the superstar. We don't have that here. this woman walks amongst us okay listen to this voice

Toronto stay tuned right here with Toronto Mike and it goes a little something like this hit it I'm just Jamaican Do I know who that is I know I shouldn't embarrass you I shouldn't embarrass you like that Taking charge and live in large

I know my miss you I know my miss you Well is there a voice for her in your project Yes she do it Yeah I will This is my thing Biff naked Okay you want to know something

Okay I don't want to like jinx shit So I have as it's if if any of you caught in the sizzle reel the audio of the sizzle reel there's three main characters in this project next to myself it's my mom my dad and my grandfather those are like the the heavy heavy voices so i made a list of all the voices my dream voices not yet attached to characters but just people that i want to get at the voices I'm going to tell you for those three I've reached out to all three and I don't want to make anything official in case you know because shit can fall through and I'm not going to say who

one is attached one is a solid maybe and one I'm working on right? Tell me these names and I'll tell you if I can make them all guaranteed yes and I'll tell you when we're off air who is what my mom biff naked Okay

Grandfather Fred Penner Yeah My dad Which I have to Well maybe I'm giving something away But I have to make it happen Stephen

Ed de Suck Kursner Okay so all three of those I can promise you Put my good name on the line and say I can get all three of those to say yes All three of those people take my call I know Biff very well I've worked with Fred

Steve Kersner has been over here so many times and in a heartbeat. He owes me favors in a heartbeat. Are you serious? I'm dead serious. Steve Kirstner, Ed the Salk, has been over here many times and will absolutely do that as a favor for me. I don't want to, but I don't mean to put you on the spot.

He'll do it as Ed. But why not, well, I feel like that's the voice. He would do that. Steve Kersner, who came up in the Humble Howard episode yesterday because Humble Howard was the first co-host of Ed's night party when it moved to City TV from Cable 10. I, okay, you want to know something funny? And I sent, so I've kind of,

I've communicated a bit with Steve. You should have talked to me a long time ago, Derek. Well, I didn't, I didn't think about it. I'm not trying to bother. I'm not trying to bother the Sultan of the Six over here. Come on. Enough about Drake. Well, and that's why I made the sizzle

because I wanted to make sure I had something for people to look at, something, you know. But Stephen Kersner, it's not even, he is important. to me like i and i he he says he remembers i don't know if he remembers but i used to go to tapings of ed the sock i was 12 years old i can't remember where the venue was but it was before he he was on channel it was before he was on channel seven this is newdenbrook when he was on channel 10 where where was it newdenbrook cable 10 but where was that keep talking and i'll google it but that's what

but like i remember my mom dropping me off like 12 years old And I know I caught his attention because, and you might even, if anyone's going to remember, I'm sure you would. City TV through this huge open house party. And it was either like 96, 97. And he gave me tickets, like, because I would go to his tapings all the time. And the other day, I can actually send it to you when I get home. I found a Polaroid from that party. of me and Ed the Sock, like it's, I'm 15, 16 years old on the couch with him behind me.

Because they, they had like a photographer just kind of, I think, and probably a bunch of them, just walking around, taking pictures of people. And, but everyone was there. Master T was there. It was when Oliver hosted Rap City. I can't remember his last name. But like, there you are walking amongst all these, which, you know, much music. That, the whole city culture, that was my childhood.

my life. And they're all there. And it was Kersner who actually put me on the list. And, you know, and I sent him an email, like kind of breaking it all down. And he was nice. And he says he remembers me. I don't know if he does. But there weren't many other 12-year-olds going to watch. If I can help with Steve Kersner, who we have a great relationship, fantastic relationship. If I can help with that, I will. I don't know why I said Newton Brook. It is called Newton Cable. Okay. It would serve, it was a Cable 10 serving, you know, in North York, I think, basically. But here's the addresses. So, it was 979 Allness Street, but then it relocated to 78

Martin Ross Avenue. Funny is that there was a short-lived sports show with Cam Gordon and Stu Stone at Newton Cable 10. I miss the Cable 10 days. I used to watch a lot of Cable 10 stuff. But yeah, that's where Ed was before City TV took him on, and that's when Humble Howard coased. Yeah, that's where... Yeah, Newden Cable. That's where my mom would drop me off. See, it's okay. So I'm processing everything,

because I just heard all this for the first time. So it sounds like you're well into the editing process to be adding voices. Almost there. I would like to have all six episodes complete, but the first two episodes are pretty done. And, well, two is just about done. But the thing is,

is I want to start kind of doing, I don't know if soft launch is the right word, but do you know the story of like how, Walt Disney, the rollout that he had for Disneyland. I saw you laugh at that. But that's how big I dream. Yeah, but you're thinking, you might be thinking too big in the podcast world,

but I don't know this story specifically, but there's a Disneyland, they rolled it out in parts, I guess. Well, what he did was when he was looking for money for Disneyland, everyone thought he was insane, and it was the stupidest idea, and no one's going to go to your theme park. No bank would give him money.

No one would get behind it. So he was able to lock down investment, and I think it was something like $6 million, which is probably the equivalent of $200 million now. But it was either ABC or CBS. I think it was ABC, the television network that partnered with him. So they're like, we'll give you your money for your theme park, but what's going to happen is we need television content from you. So, you know, he created his weekly show.

but what Walt Disney would do So here we are, it's like 1954, you know, July 1954, he announces In one year from today Disney World will open And people also thought That was insane.

Like we can't build this shit In one year But he's like, no, we're going to do it And it's going to happen But each week before his show You know, before he chose animated shows or whatever The Wonderful World of Disney

Yeah, but there would be an introduction with Walt and he would talk about progress and where it was. And that's what I'm kind of trying to copy with Little Fat Derek. Instead of coming here and saying on December 21st, it's going to be, you know, like I'm starting the Little Fat Derek podcast. And I'm also starting like a vlog companion series to kind of bring people on the journey. And, you know, for them to experience the creation of this show. And this is, I want, like, this interview to kind of start at all. Well, I love, I love everything I'm hearing here. This is like, you know, it sounds like this companion piece is the Heart of Darkness documentary about Apocalypse now, right?

Like Apocalypse now is a great movie. But Heart of Darkness, I think it was an even better movie. I agree. I agree. You and I always like. So I got to say. But do you like it? I love it.

Do you like what I'm cooking here? What's in it for me to blow smoke up your ass? Do you like the lasagna I'm cooking here? I love the smell of the lasagna cooking The only thing I'm concerned about is You said I can be mean Is that true? Do you think I could be mean?

It was a joke Okay, okay You started the joke Come on, Mike, you can't get soft You can't get sensitive on me now I'm crying here on the inside No, listen, I love you Decisive, I love this idea

I love the sizzle reel I can't believe that you might have Some nostalgic names For us Toronto Gen Xers to enjoy Not might, I'm gonna have And these names you've dropped, like Fred Penner, who I know you have a relationship with, and, of course, Biff Naked, who you have a relationship, but both of those people I have a great relationship with as well. But Steve Kersner, I have also have a great relationship with, absolutely accessible.

Steve Anthony, who I haven't actually seen in a while, because he came here when he was leaving CP24. But we're friendly. He was great here. He put six sweeteners in his coffee in front of me. Six sweeteners. Wow. And, yeah, that's all you need to know with Steve Anthony. big fan of his too. I'm telling you

anybody I can help introduce you to there should be a role for snow there should be a role for Stu Stone that stew is of course and I make him do it as like what's this character and my pet monster Ralphie Chuckie? Chuckie right get him to do it as

Chuckie. Imagine snow and he like he talks like snow like it's a principal of my school or something like it's kind of yeah I love all of this Mishie Me should have a role telling you she would do it all these people would love to be a part of it because you're fiercely independent you wrote this thing this is your your baby i don't know if i love the fact

you call yourself fat but maybe that's uh you know that'll be explained in the series or whatever was it called fat little derrick well i was fat i can explain it now i was fat ten and i'm fat now but you introduce yourself off the top as chunk d okay well i got to make a confession to you and this is this is this again it shows how much i love you tell me everything see when i dropped chunk d at the beginning of the show, I'm sure that was like comedic brilliance to you. Like I'm sure that made your brain melt, right? And then I heard chunk D and it made me laugh. But I actually there's just someone who refers to me as chunk D in episode two. Wow. So I guess my big question is when when can we realistically expect to hear episode one? I'm trying, I'm shooting

for November, December. And then we take it from there. That sizzle reel said October. I know. sizzle reel was made a month ago, and a lot has happened in the past. Okay, so keep me posted, because I'll talk it up on Toronto Mike. Heck, you can invite yourself on whenever you want, you know that. Well, I would love that. I love this idea. Like, I didn't know what the big, I just knew you called a meeting. Now I know why, and I'm excited.

I'm excited that you're excited. I'm very happy that you like it, that you like the idea. No, I don't like it. I actually love it. Like, I love fiercely independent creativity of this nature. Well, look what I do here. Like, what you're doing is right in my wheelhouse. And I think a lot of listeners of this program,

if you like what you hear on Toronto mics, you would like this. Like, they're cut from the same cloth. You need a role for Lauren Honnickman. Is there a lawyer in this series in six episodes? Your lawyer should be voiced by Lauren Honnickman. He's here tomorrow morning. I'm embarrassed to say this, but who's Lauren Horton?

On City TV, those newscasts of Mark Daly and everything, he was the legal specialist, Lauren. And then he became a lawyer, but he was on CP 24. He had a, I think his show was called Legal Briefs. Okay. But Lauren had this great mustache. That's gone apparently, but I'm trying to get it back here. But Lauren's back tomorrow.

But he's the kind, that's the kind of thing. I'm telling you, Humble and Fred should have roles in this thing. Oh, dude. Yeah, like, how many roles you got? They're on my list. We're going to cast this fucking thing. I'm so excited. I'm telling you, this is exciting to me.

Well, hop in, you hop on. You can be part of the team. I'm on. Like, yeah, but again, I don't want to make it awkward and, you know, corner you on your own show. But I would like to use that as Steve Anthony. So of all the people we've mentioned, Steve is the one, it's been the longest period since I talked to Steve Anthony.

I know he went out to, what's that place people go to Quinte? What's the name? Where are all these Toronto people moving near Belleville? What's the name of that place? I don't know. Yeah, well, that's where he was, but then he came back, I think.

I think he opened a bed and breakfast that didn't work out because of the pandemic. And maybe they changed, the regulations around it and he had to come back. But I could definitely try to get a hold of Steve Anthony. I think he's due for a catch-up on this show. Anyways, I should get him on this show. And then, while we're recording, tell him,

I want him to do this role in your independent podcast, and he'll have to say yes, right? That would be... Okay, so that was the big announcement. I love it. But before we say goodbye, because I'm going to steal a couple minutes, can I just play a little audio and you tell me what I'm listening to? Of course.

I got a couple of these loaded up, and then I'll set you free. We'll take our awesome photo by Toronto Treatment. I'm in no rush. Tell me what this is. So let me, I see here, there's a bit of blank space at the beginning, but here it comes. It's okay. I smash it. My smash hit single. Don't turn the lights out.

Featuring my good buddy, Daniel Victor, aka Never Ending White Lights. I love this song. Sing to the moon We wish on the stars We kiss till we fall asleep In each other's arms On the side of the road Another

Featured voice But this is a Easy get Never any He's a good buddy of mine Yeah he had a bunch of radio hits Have you ever had him on the show? Nope

He's out of Windsor So it might be hard for him to come in But I would do him But he had a city in color Did a song It's Never Any called All All Always? What was it called? I think it in my head, but it was fantastic.

Not save your scissors. No. That was just sitting in color. Why do I think it's called always? It repeats the word. Not angels. It's like, oh, you keep mad hearing me. I'll just Google it.

I know the song. Well, everyone knows the song. It's called The Grace. That's it. I couldn't remember that fucking name. So, that's what this is. Is this like your biggest hit? You could, well, it was kind of on the road to being that.

I guess, if you're talking chart-wise, yeah, it was. It was on the, it entered the much music, Coca-Cola countdown. I don't think it was Coca-Cola countdown, but it'll forever be the Coca-Cola countdown to me. But, yeah, I think it hit, like, number 21 on that. That's amazing. By the way, so the Grace is the Dallas Green one, but the song I was confusing it with is called Always.

There was a big radio hit by the never-ending white lights, Daniel Victor. Okay. Called Always, but Daniel Victor did the vocals on Always. But I remember seeing a promotion for CFL Football to the song Always. and it was fantastic. So I'm just looking at I see Rob Dickinson on where we are.

Melissa Oftermar did a song with Daniel Victor called The World is Darker. Yeah. This is bullshit. Hot hot heat. Yeah. Ghost ship.

Angels and Saints is the one. That's with Chris Gordon. Okay, one more song I wanted to find out what it is. Daniel's amazing. I would like to talk to Daniel. He's a fascinating guy. We've had a lot of memorable conversations. Like, whenever him and I get on the phone, it's like hours.

And I never want to get off. It's like being on the Toronto mic. Well, listen. I guess I never want to leave. I pulled something else, and I just want you to tell me what the hell I'm listening to. Okay? So we got an answer here, never-ending white lights. How about this one right here?

Yep, three feet deep. DJ format featuring myself and abdominal. This was my big UK smash and took me on tour across the UK, Europe. We're ready to begin. I don't think I've heard this song in, like, 15 years. This time, I brought a friend. Canada, the man of the song about me. Records play.

So please join me, ladies and gentlemen And giving your nice This format, welcome to MC Decisive Thank you, thank you Since 198 to the O I've been changing the flow Taking control With the Blue Flame Flow

Taste of the Throne You'd think I was a two-pay owner And I'm Known and I'm a own on Verone Hipot Proclaim Ceremony On Canadian soil

I have four Spir out these opuses I'm a rap till I don't exist Abdominal in format Hands up like Horshack Horshack references Just what the kids want Well trust me we both got that in syndication

After school I saw so much Welcome Back Carter I actually watched ER Believe it or not I watched ER last night And one of the characters said Welcome Back Carter because John Carter's spoiler alert was stabbed and he was coming back to work after

recovering and I said to my wife, welcome back Carter. I said, sounds like welcome back Carter. My wife has no idea what I'm talking about. Not a clue. She's, so she's younger. She's similar to your age because you're 80, you said? Yeah. She was born in 81, I think. But she When were you in? 74. Okay. I thought we're... No, listen, I'm an old man.

Come on, I earned every white hair on my head here. But my wife does not know Welcome Back, Cotter. And I realized, oh, shit. Like, I just assume everybody speaks our language. You know what I mean, Christoph? I speak your language. I was listening to this last night. I said, I got to ask the story behind this.

So you got the tour of Europe based on this? Yep. And my first show in the... Well, which is funny, I recently stumbled upon a bag of weed of crack cocaine of these mini DV tapes

and I think they have a lot of these shows because my very first show ever in the UK was no it's a lot it wasn't my first, it was my second at Leeds and Writing Festival in front of like 15,000 people Oh yeah you open for Jimmy Hendrix

Yeah it was Jimmy Hendrix Janice Joplin Mike Bullard You want to tell any Bullard stories on your way out? He won't hear them No I'm trying to think it's so funny

But you two had a bit of Falling out, right? Well, I don't know if we ever had an inn But so it was all out Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah It's not like we were buds He didn't like something that Somebody else said about me

another former morning show host said falsely about me and then he decided to I don't know threaten me that's it but he spent many many months speaking of Lauren Hunnicman we had many chats about this he would speak all night long would just be going at me via Twitter and sliding into my DMs with threats and stuff and this went on for a long time

and you know FOTMs who work for the OPP were telling me what I should do and he you know he had already had prior charges and stuff and I actually said to myself I'm going to do this son of a bitch a big fucking favor this asshole who's making me feel unsafe and I had a family here and everything

and nobody liked what was happening I'm going to do him a big fucking favor and I'm not going to go to the cops of this I'm going to just hope it goes away and now he's dead I hate that I'm laughing yeah I don't know I had my time with Mike

not bad because I was around the show Why, as I mentioned, Orrin Isaacs, him and I don't talk anymore, but I co-opped at Orrin's studio, and that was right when he got the Bullard show. So I started to just hang out. I would go to the show almost where I would call Orrin and be like, who's coming on tonight? And if it was a celebrity I wanted to see, I would go, I remember walking around the Masonic Temple. Like, I used to have my own permanent badge and Bullard nice, but he was. He, though the first time I ever met him, he embarrassed me, like, which is something that kind of sucks. Because I performed on the show.

Oren made an album, and he was promoting it. So he had a few of the artists on the album, myself being one of them, just kind of do little chunks from each song. So we're doing the sound check. And, you know, I'm on this television set. I'm terrified. I'm so nervous. I've never done anything like that. And we run through it.

And as I'm doing my verse, I see Bullard appear, you know, and so we finish and, you know, some of the crew clap or, you know, people are just getting levels, doing whatever to do. And then I remember Mike Bullard, it goes silent. And then he goes, oh, great, just what the world needs, another white rapper. And like, and I felt fucking sick to my stomach. Like, I was so embarrassed. And then, like, I looked around and people were giving me looks. like, ah, don't let it bug you, whatever. And you got a lot of, oh, that's just Mike.

And then that night after the show, he apologized to me and told me how talented I was. And he actually, do you know the name Howard Lapidus? Does that name? I've heard it before, but I'm not sure who we're talking about. Yeah, he was a pretty big, like, Canadian manager. So Bullard got me hooked up with him, and he was all right. And then we just never saw each other again. Well, your Bullard story, I think you need to get a one-on-one private meeting with

Ben Mulrooney. You should hear his Bullard stories. Oh, really? Not. And that! You'll be back, brother. You'll be back. I love it when you come over, man.

I can't wait to hear this six episode, and heck, maybe there'll be more. But I love what you're up to, and I love seeing you. Thanks. I love seeing you, too. Thanks for having me, man. And that. And that. Stu wants me to nail the end that.

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Lauren Honnickman back in the basement. See you then. Thank you.