Toronto Mike'd: The Official Toronto Mike Podcast - Dana Levenson: Toronto Mike'd #749

Episode Date: November 10, 2020

Mike speaks with Dana Levenson about her decision to leave CTV Toronto, whether she has any regrets, being married to an ER doc during COVID-19, the "husband stitch" and her new podcast On The DL.

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Hi, Mike. Nice to see you again. Nice to see you. You cued the sun. Look at this. Nice to see you. You cued the sun. I'm actually... Like a heavenly shot. Yeah, it's a sunny... And let's start with that, which is that we're in, I don't know, it's almost...

Is this the 10th? It's almost mid-March. Not mid-March. Thank goodness it's not March. Oh, wow. Where did that come from? I don't know. What just made you think of March?

Did I just stroke out? I don't know. Mid-Nove... See, you make me nervous. Dana, you make me nervous. Wow, where did that come from? I don't know. What just made you think of March? Did I just stroke out? I don't know. See, you make me nervous. Dana, you make me nervous. Mid-November and we're outside. I'm in a t-shirt. You're not wearing a jacket right now,

although I see you've got one at the ready. But this is a beautiful, beautiful day. Like where you live, which is north of me, you're not on the lake like this. What did it feel like when you left your home? It was hot. It was hot. It was hot. Yeah, I walked outside with a jacket and I thought, oh, I'm taking this off.

It's not just you. Like north of 20 degrees? Oh, Michael. Are we north of 20? Like, are you feeling like 20 degrees plus up there? I'd say so. Wow. Yeah.

Okay, that's good stuff. So it's a perfect day to be broadcasting live in my backyard. Backyard studio. Right off the top. How are you? Like, let everybody know. How are you doing, Dana? I'm awesome. I'm great. Really good. Thank you for asking. Okay. I thought you might have more detail, but here, let me take a look. I don't know. Listen, get into it. What kind of detail do you want? You want to know how my morning was? You want to know overall how I am? What did you have for breakfast today? So I had

one of my favorite breakfasts. I had vanilla, organic vanilla yogurt with blueberries and raspberries. That sounds so good. It was so good. Was there like honey in there or something to sweeten it or no? No, it was vanilla. Vanilla sweetens it, right. And walnuts. It was so good. Okay, that's good for you too.

That's a healthy breakfast. Yeah. Do you always eat that healthy or do you ever go sometimes not sometimes most of the time i have eggs i love eggs and and how do you like your eggs sunny side up sunny side up okay i always eat my eggs scrambled that's easy but it's good too that's easy when i make that my kids make fun of me there's like it's like eggs. Those are those ungrateful brats. No, for myself. No. I've taught them how to make their own breakfast. Yeah.

I thought when you make them scrambled eggs, they complained. No, they like mine. It's too easy for mom to make these scrambled eggs. They like my scrambled eggs because I put tons of cheese and butter in the pan. Oh, wow. Yes. Contrary to popular belief, I eat all that stuff. So you do your own cooking.

Dana Levinson doesn't have like a live-in chef or anything. So you do your own cooking. Dana Levinson doesn't have like a live-in chef or anything. Like you do your own cooking. I'm just trying to humanize you because people think, you know, you're literally, I said you looked like you were in the clouds. It looked heavenly with that sun flare. But you'll make your own eggs. Of course.

I know. I'm just trying to like let the people know you're just a normal person. I'm just a mom. Every day, you know, run let the people know you're, you're just a normal person. I'm just a mom. Just in the net every day, you know, run of the mill next door. Mom, just,

just your, your common mom. I probably, I sleep a lot less than most people. I made this huge life change, which I'm sure we'll talk about any minute, but, uh, is this the bow wow?

No, a year and a half ago to try to get more sleep, thinking, oh, I'm going to get more sleep. And I do ultimately get more sleep per se on certain days of the week. But overall, I'm not. I still am up at the crack of dawn. So what's the life? I mean, are you referring to the life change?

Okay, so here, before we get into it, first let me give some love to FOTM Mike Richards. Do you know this gentleman, Mike Richards? Long time sports media personality. Anyway, people who listen to this podcast, Dana, know who Mike Richards is because he comes on all the time. He's currently on that Mississauga station, 960. Saga, 960.

But he spent years at 1050 when it was TSN radio. He was the first morning show host there. Anyway, I want to give some love to Mike Richards because as he's told us on this program with all the real talk we do, you know, he had bladder cancer. He had a battle with bladder cancer, which I'm happy to say

he won. But there was some plumbing problems. I won't get too graphic, but he's had this, you know, a bag where there was plumbing issues. You won't get too graphic, but he's had this, you know, a bag where there was plumbing issues. Okay. You know, you can visualize that. And this morning is his surgery to repair this plumbing problem he's been living with for years now. So I just want to shout out Mike Richards and say, we're thinking of him because he's a good, he's a good one. He's a much like, he's a much like yourself. He's one of those great FOTMs that we root for. So shout out to Mike Richards.

Last time you were here. You didn't believe a word I had to say. I phrased it differently. I'm going to read my script. I said I was skeptical. I was skeptical that you chose your own volition here of sound, mind, and body. You chose to leave a gig at CTV after 19 years. 19 and a half.

Sorry, 19 and a half years. Almost 20 years. But that's your story. You're sticking to it. Sticking to it. Mike, you still don't believe me. I believe you. Okay.

But just remind us again what made you quit after such a long time in our living rooms let's face it Canada's most popular local newscast was the one you were on

for 20 years not even close right who knows who's second but you guys were number one of a bullet yeah for sure and an honour a huge honour to be a part of that team and that newscast for two decades for sure best of the

best work on camera off camera the team right incredible you love that team i love them you still you still love that team still i call them my family they're my ctv family my forever they're my forever tv family as you have seen over the last year, I have not gone to another TV station or another newsroom, and that's by choice. I didn't leave CTV to go to another. Right. Because if you were going to be in the mainstream media,

you're happy with the CTV family and where you've been. So please, just talk to us. Okay. Because just yesterday, Kevin Frankish please just talk to us. Okay. Because just yesterday, Kevin Frankish was in the same seat. Right. I didn't give him a cushion.

I just want you to know. He had to sit on that plastic. Right. And he came and said that, you know, they basically said, you're not happy. You just did your last newscast. And he, at the beginning, he told everybody at the very beginning that he had chosen to retire to focus on, I think, documentary projects for City TV. Yes, I heard that. I do remember it well. And today, well, yesterday, for the second time, he's come on to set the record straight. He did not choose to leave.

But Dana, you did choose to leave. Yes, 100%. It was my choice. And I hate the R word. That's just ridiculous. Retirement. What is that? Well, you're too young to retire.

Absolutely. You're younger than I am. I don't, maybe. Whip out that driver's license. I mean, I don't, even people who choose to leave a career at a certain stage in life, even if they're much older, that R word just bothers me. There's a connotation to it. So no, of course I did not retire. I decided to make a life change and a huge decision because I needed a change.

I had felt that I had hit my professional ceiling at CTV. had felt that I'd hit my professional ceiling at CTV. And when I was here a year and a half ago, I told you that story that I needed a change. Now what I probably wasn't as transparent about a year and a half ago, which I speak more candidly now, was that I had been begging for a change when I was there. And I wasn't being awarded would be the word, I guess. They were not giving me the opportunity to make a change within the organization. They liked what I was doing. They liked the job I was doing, which was a compliment, of course, but I needed to do something else. Now, am I right? And I think you told me this, but I want to make sure you state this on the record here, Dana. But you wanted meatier stories?

Did you want heavier news? No, it wasn't heavier news. I wanted to for sure get off the weekend evenings. That was a big draw for me. I wanted to be more present in life with my family. I felt after nine years of doing the weekend news, I needed to really change that schedule. It was very difficult on me physically,

working until midnight and heading into bed at 2 in the morning and then back at work Monday morning. So the shifting was very difficult. So I thought, you know, I'd put my time in and after 19 years that it was due time that I had, I had no problem working on the weekend. I just didn't want to be doing what I was doing on the weekend. The other part of that was as much as I loved doing the weather, I love live television. I didn't want to be doing the weather anymore.

That wasn't the goal, right? That wasn't the dream at the beginning. You're not a meteorologist. No. You wasn't the goal, right? That wasn't the dream at the beginning. You're not a meteorologist. No. You don't have any. Look, the sun's out. High means good, low means bad. Remember that? Like you're, I mean, it's funny. Do you remember that from our last interview? You said, what does that mean? High pressure

is good, low pressure is bad. High pressure means sun, low pressure usually means clouds. That's all you got to know. That's all you got to know. Got to know. If you were to deliver the weather today, how would you describe all this? Oh, God. This is a gift. It's gorgeous.

Unseasonably warm. Unseasonably warm. Unprecedented. Record-breaking heat. You got it. Okay. I made that crack about meteorologists because I had Adam Stiles on. He's excellent.

And he's accredited. For sure. Most are. Yeah. But it's it must piss off the accredited people when, you know, people like yourself are doing the weather like that must piss them off. Right. Because they went to school for this. And here you are just faking it, you know. Well, I wasn't faking it. No, but you're reading a teleprompter about weather and you didn't go to school for that. No, no, no. First of all, I wasn't reading the teleprompter. I wrote what I had to say. You could look at it the other way too. You could say TV people would be pissed off when a meteorologist would take a TV position

and they're not TV people. Oh, I see what you did there. You flipped it like that. Like when an athlete, a former athlete becomes the sports person and you're like, Hey, I went to like Ryerson for this. I'm a sportscaster and I'm not, not you know i wasn't in the olympics however that being said there are phenomenal meteorologists on air particularly in toronto um i enjoy most weather casters i think they're all really good okay here's the million dollar question here's your first dose of heavy real talk here uh have

you have you seen your replacement on CTV Toronto? I have, Lindsay, yeah. Is it like looking in a mirror? No, I mean, she looks like you. Goodness, thank you. Okay, so she's saying thank you as well. Oh, she is? Well, I don't have her on line two or anything,

but I think it's a compliment to both of you. But I'm going to say this carefully. She might be a little younger than you. She's definitely younger than I am. She might be you 20 years ago. I don't know if she's 20 years younger than me, but she's definitely younger than I am. Lindsay's lovely.

Have you met her? Not personally, no. She's lovely, and I think she does a great job. And I can see where the resemblance, why people thought she was my younger sister. But I have to tell you that on first instinct, when I saw Lindsay come in, I was complimented. I thought, what a compliment to me from management.

Oh, to clone you. Well, not to clone me, Mike. It meant they really want you, but you quit. And they said, okay, we'll clone her. And here's a new her. Although no one can replace you. but you quit. And they said, okay, we'll clone her. And here's a new her. Although no one can replace you. Thank you. I think what we did on the weekend news at CTV Toronto worked.

And they didn't really want to make much of a change. Don't mess with the formula because it's a successful formula. Yeah, and they did. Listen, they made a good decision. And she does a great job. And I've only heard lovely things about Lindsay. So it's all good. I want to be there when you meet Lindsay.

Like just to see that moment of like you meeting the replacement. I just want to witness it. So just even if I'm in the bushes somewhere, you know. That sounds super creepy. Who's that creepy guy with the binoculars in the bushes? Oh, that's just Toronto Mike. He wanted to witness this moment. Yeah, I mean, as I say it out loud, maybe this is not a cool idea I need to rethink this but uh you weren't at all uh there was no like you didn't take this at all negatively

no I thought it was a compliment I thought wow that's amazing I thought that was I thought I mean obviously management thought that I did a great job, how they may have even liked the way I looked. And they decided they wanted to go with a younger blonde version of what they had on the weekend. Oh, so you agree. Yeah. Okay. So that's how I was putting it. But you just said it as well.

So I feel better now. It's okay. It's okay to say you're blonde. I'm blonde. Right. I'm a blonde woman. I mean, I'm a blonde woman. I have blonde hair.

Okay. So Lindsay's doing a great job. She's doing a great job she's doing a great job uh yeah she looks a lot like you i don't think she does actually so okay i think from afar i think on tv and from a side view perhaps you know she's got the sweeping bang and okay she's blonde but um i think she's distinct for sure she has her own look okay i know and i'm not i really honestly did not intend to take anything away from Lindsay and suggest you didn't deserve this. She's your clone. I don't,

I, you know, and I said this last time and I'll say it again. All of my research tells me that far and away that Toronto newscast you were on has the most eyeballs on it in the GTA. Like, like, so I may not have,

maybe I don't watch every day CTV Toronto news, but I'm aware that I'm in the GTA. Like, so I may not have, maybe I don't watch every day CTV Toronto news, but I'm aware that I'm in the minority. Like this is the go-to newscast for the vast majority of Torontonians. So again, you really quit that gig. You quit the number one newscast after 19 years. So tell us, excuse me, I'm all choked up at this uh like this fact it sometimes does that to me too sometimes like i have to tell you over the last year there's been times so i've woken up in the morning yeah i've woken up in the morning and i've said oh my god i'm not going into work

today like it really i have had ebbs and flows for sure but do you miss the paycheck because a lot of you know there's two sides of this right you want to enjoy what you do but you're doing it for money like we're all all of us at the end of the day, most of us anyway, are working because they need money to, you know, you know, pay the mortgage and buy food and go on vacations and things like that. Like, right. And put gas in the car. I'll run down all the other things you need money for.

Eating. Economics 101. Right. But did you, so do you miss the paycheck? Of course. Yeah. Of course. Okay. But did you, so do you miss the paycheck? Of course. Yeah. Of course. Okay.

Yeah. And that's been stressful. Definitely been stressful. But we, we had a financial plan. We, we, you know, I've said this before, quitting a job after two decades is very much like divorce. You don't just wake up in the morning and say, oh, by the way, I want to separate. It's something you think about and hopefully you have a plan

and it's not impulsive. And this was in the making for years. You know, I was trying to make a change at the station for years and I was really advocating hard for the last year of my time there. But did you ever say to them, like, did you ever do the old, like,

gentle ultimatum of, like... I did not. And I, you know, I don't regret that. I have no regrets. But I've been told since then that I played it really poorly. Because here's... Right, and you've probably been told this

by people who care about you. But part of the joy... It's not joy. It's part of the good thing about being fired. Like when Kevin Frankish was fired from his long-time gig at City TV, they gave him money to go away. But when you go and say, I quit, they don't have to give you anything.

Well, yes and no. Okay, talk to me about that. Yes and no. So there were major changes that were coming in around the time that I had decided to exit. And they had put together packages for people if they wanted to leave because they were repurposing all of the news reporter positions. And even though I was a weather anchor, I was still considered a news reporter. So I was under that umbrella. Okay. And they were changing the news reporter positions to,

I think it was video journalists. Right. Became the new title. And everybody had to be hired back, which I was. You had to go through a process of training as a videographer with equipment. training as a videographer with equipment. And you had to have an interview with your bosses, which was kind of fun because I hadn't done that in 20 years. Isn't any part of you a little bit, not bitter or maybe bitter, but a little bit like, hey, am I applying for my own damn job? No, that didn't bother me. That part didn't bother me at all.

What bothered me was when I went in for that interview, they were really stuck on just going through sort of the, I guess it was more of a union thing where they had to interview and ask you specific questions. And it was like, okay, it's a done deal. We just have to do this. But I came out and said, okay, well, where do you see me in the next few months? And the tables were turned and it was, well, where do you see me in the next few months? And the tables were turned and it was, well, where do you see yourself in the next few months? And I said, not doing what I'm doing. And it was like, ah, well,

we could talk about this after the election. And that was, you know, that was all I thought to myself was, it's going to be snowing. I'm going to be driving home at 1230 in the morning in a snowstorm, and I'm going to kick myself because I could have left months ago with some money. I could have taken that package. Yes, right, right.

So I did. I went in after that interview to, quote, accept the job. You have to formally go in and say to our then boss, I'm going to take the job. You have to, you had to formally go in and say to your, say to our then boss, I'm going to take the job. And, um, I went in and, um, it was a very private conversation. I'll tell you that it was, it was private because he was so incredible, but he was very surprised that I was not coming in to take the job. I was coming in to tell him I'm leaving and that I'd like to take the package. And he said, you are the first one in and the last one I expected. Wow. Wow. They shouldn't have, but they shouldn't have been so shocked considering you had had conversations with them, uh, about doing something differently. So, you know,

well, to his credit, he was new. Okay. He was new management. He to those conversations. I have to believe that even new management is well-versed on every single person in, you know, part of your news team. Right. And if you've had conversations with each person, you get a good vibe on, you know, where they're at and where they want to go. And so I've had these ebbs and flows where I've had these moments where I'm not bitter, but I'm, and I don't want to use the word mad because I'm not an angry person, but I've been confused thinking, why didn't they grab me by the ankles and say, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Don't go anywhere. We'll figure this out. Let's transition you into something else. Let's, but there was nothing.

There was not one conversation about that. So that, that, that in itself made me feel like, wait a second, did they not love me? I thought they loved me. Right. Cause you, you want it to be like, yeah, you got a, you got a nice farewell. A beautiful farewell. Yeah. We, in the last episode of Toronto Mike that you were on, we played that clip. It was a great, I think it was, is it Andrea Case? Is that, and you're still close with her? Yeah. So who are, who are the, like,

you talk about your CTV family that you still love, but are there any, you know, personalities there specifically that you're particularly close to? Like, I'm not going to ask you to rank them. This is not what I'm asking.

But are there a couple of people there, like, would Andrea be on the list of people you were particularly tight with? Yeah. I mean, I'm still pretty tight with Michelle Dubé. Oh, yeah.

Is she on mat leave right now? She is. Okay. Good for her. Yeah. We saw each other a couple months ago, socially distanced, you know, of course. Of course. But that was so, so great.

I'm in touch, I would say, with all of the women in the newsroom. I just, I don't want to say exactly who, but I saw somebody yesterday. Whoa. And I'm still quite close with a couple of the women who are not there anymore as well. Who also left. We've stayed pretty tight.

Yeah. I'm trying to think of. Well, since you were last here, I'm trying to think of big changes over there, but I guess the big changes are Ken Shaw. I love Ken Shaw so much. So did Ken Shaw choose to leave as well? Yeah.

I haven't talked to Ken about this. Well, Ken is of, I think, of the age and stage where he's really going to chill out and not really do much. You know, my exit from CTV News was I'm onto my next big thing. Right. I want to do my next big thing. Well,

we're going to, we're going to get to that of course, very, very shortly. I'm just trying to like paint a picture for people listening to the podcast, but you know, I have this live on Periscope, but you also have a tripod on the table there.

So it's not on. It's not on. Okay. Okay. Okay. Cause, cause you're going to, cause you're going to going to take video for your socials, I suppose. I suppose here.

Okay, cool. Now, last time you were here, you brought me bagels. Do you remember that? Of course, I do. There was a great debate afterwards about, because remind me, where did you buy the bagels from? Whatabagel. Whatabagel.

And where's Whatabagel? On Eglinton. On Eglinton, okay. Where else would anyone get a bagel? Either Eglinton or on Eglinton. Okay. Where else would anyone get a bagel? Either Eglinton or on Bathurst Street. Get real people. You know how far south I am? That sounds like Barry when you go there.

Well, it's very far south right here. So where, let me turn off my phone. How rude here. Tell me, am I allowed to open what's in this bag in front of me? Of course. I don't want to steal your thunder here. We're going to talk about all your life changes and all the big things in your life. And I even have to ask about the Bow Wow and all that stuff. The Bow Wow. Well, I don't want to steal your thunder here because we're going to talk about all your life changes and all the big things in your life and I even have to ask

about the bow wow and all that stuff. The bow wow. Well, I don't want to, that's a teaser. Well, do you want to announce anything?

Okay, so I've got a large, oh. Sorry, it's not in a nice bag, but it's. Oh my God, Dana,

it had so much heft to it. I thought it was going to be really light and then, oh my God. Mike, as you get to know me better, everything has heft in my life. Holy smokes.

Everything. I don't just do things. Where do I start? Oh my God. Okay. Okay. Okay. So there's multiple things in this bag here.

This is very exciting. I'm doing this live here. Okay. A little more call to action. Tell me what this is. This is exciting. Those are cookies. These are cookies?

Yeah. Little pastries. They're called rogola. Rogola. Yeah. They're delicious. And where did you get these from, Dana? Did you bake these in your kitchen?

No. I know you think that I'm a cook and a baker and all that, but no, I did not. And the cream cheese came from the same. And this is a new bagel bakery called Abba's. Okay. Well, oh my God. Okay. So because I don't want to break it here,

there's a bottle in here. So that's really good. Oh my God. It's really good. I just assumed you drink wine. Well, you know, I am married to a woman,

Monica, who you might see before you leave here today, who absolutely loves wine. Like she, she loves, she's, I don't want to say this sounds terrible, but she's female and she's a mother so I'm assuming

she likes wine. And we're in the middle of a pandemic and I'm assuming she likes wine. She's self-medicating. Please tell me about this wine. I'm very ignorant in the world of wines. I'm just declaring that so tell me what this is. It's an Italian wine. It's delicious. Anything from Italy is delicious.

Oh my god. Okay so this is above and beyond. You've raised the bar for all future guests. Vintage wine. Bob McKenzie, are you listening? We need bigger gifts here. What I did get was his new book. That's what arrived. Well, you'll get my book when I write it, too.

Oh, am I going to be in the book? Of course. Okay, so wine? You'll have a chapter to be called Mike. Toronto Mike, please. Come on, we've got to brand this. Now, these bagels, they smell so good. They're fresh.

I think they're still warm. Yeah. This is unbelievable, Dana Levinson. I have gifts for you as well. I know you do. Okay. You brought me this great wine. Let's just get hammered.

Take the rest of the afternoon off. Yeah, seriously. But I drove here. I'm so upset I drove. I should have. I can't let you get hammered. I wish I could have Ubered and then walked or walked and then Ubered or something. You have a bicycle, Dana.

I do. Because I've biked to your place. I know. Are we revealing too much? I've biked to your... During the pandemic, I've biked to your home and enjoyed a socially distanced backyard visit with you. But lots more of this coming up. Lots more.

Fresh craft beer from Great Lakes Brewery. Yours. So you bring me wine. I give you fresh craft beer from Great Lakes Brewery. Yours. So you bring me wine. I give you fresh craft beer. I'm more of a beer guy. But again, that wine is going to be enjoyed thoroughly in this household. I guarantee it. Palma Pasta.

Did you get a lasagna when you visited last? I sure did. Why do you think I'm here? It's not for you. Was it good? It didn't come for you. I came for this. Yeah, it was so good

This is dinner tonight everybody I feel like taking one of those bagels right now Have one It'll be difficult People have to watch me eat And then they gotta hear me chewing You have to put the cream cheese on It's called a schmear

A schmear Okay I will You gotta learn the lingo Well I have a rabbi His name's Ralph Ben-Murky Ralph will He will Yeah

I'm learning I'm learning these terms, slowly but surely. I'm an honorary member of your tribe. Excellent. That's great. If membership is still open, I'm in there. The happy atheist just loves some of these customs, particularly smearing.

The food, the schmear, not smearing. Schmear. Schmear. Okay. Try it again. Like Pat Schmear from Foo Fighters. Schmearing on the bagel here. Palma Pasta sent over another lasagna for you.

There's a, yeah, frozen lasagna right there. You're taking that home. Now, you have a blended family. Yeah. So I know. This might not be big enough for everyone, but I'll figure out who's coming. Well, remind us like size-wise. It's hard to keep track of what's going on over there.

How many people... Wait, wait, wait. It's not changing. Why hard to keep track? Well, no. I know. It's not changing from a Homo sapien perspective. There's a new addition, but not a Homo sapien.

You see what I'm doing here? Yes. Okay, so there's a great blended family there, and you're going to enjoy your Palma pasta lasagna. There are seven of us. Seven. That beats me. Okay.

But not all seven. We're not all together all the time. Okay. Yeah. I know. I know that drill well. Because some days you come over, there's six here. And some days you come over, there's four here.

Well, one is at university and he's staying there because he's there. Okay. So, yeah. My son just went back. He came over. He was here for the weekend. Yes. And he just went back.

What university is your son at? My stepson is at University of Western. Oh, yeah. It's party school. Yeah, I went there. So you went there. I did. It's a crazy going nuts university.

I'd explain so much. Party hard, work hard. That's right. That's right. Good for your stepson there. And I have stickers from stickeru.com. There's a Toronto Mike sticker. I still have this from sticker you.com. There's a Toronto Mike sticker. I'll have this from last time,

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Now, we talked about your blended family. And before we get to the big changes, let's remind everybody that your husband, he's an ER doctor. Yeah. So I'm curious about what it's been like the last eight or nine months here, having, you know, living with an ER doctor during COVID-19. Like what's that been like? Yeah, that's a good question. Thanks, Mike, for asking. Well, he's such a sensational human. So it's, I don't know if every ER doctor is like he is,

but super resilient. He teaches me about resiliency every single day. So even before this pandemic, he was my go-to. Well, you're madly in love. I'm going to just let people know because we talk a lot and we'll get into your new developments. But you are madly in love with your husband. am i don't even mean to act surprised i think it's it's it's everybody should be madly in love with their uh their partner but i just want to say i mean i witnessed

this like when you talk about your husband i noticed like uh you you light up uh you radiate am i radiating i do i mean i'll tell you about the er stuff in a sec but the fun fact is that kevin my husband was my first crush we've known each other since i've been three and he was six so uh we were very old family friends we hadn't seen each other in very very very very long time and then our paths crossed again and fell madly in love and got married and blended our families and the rest is history. Yeah. And as I know, because I will get to this, but teaser that I listened to on the DL,

which is a new podcast that people could literally subscribe to right now. And I heard you talk to Leanne Townsend, who's a divorce attorney. And you had a very, like, very frank discussion with her about... Candid. Candid. Yeah. I said the word frank to Kevin Frankish four or five times yesterday. A very candid discussion with her about candid. Yeah. I said the word Frank to Kevin Frank is four or five times yesterday, a very candid discussion with her about divorce. And you talked about,

you know, the two things you wanted from your divorce. And I just took note that you wanted two things. You wanted the, the home and you wanted, you know, your children, my babies in my house, all I wanted and everything else could go. And that home that you uh fought for and got uh you're still living in today yeah we uh we that's my my original matrimonial home for my first marriage and then we renovated it a lot like right down to the bones and made it um more of a brady bunch house right you had to you had new people coming in to live there. So, okay. So from the COVID perspective.

Okay. From the COVID perspective. So Kevin, so COVID hits like a tsunami in March. And we, our whole lives were just changed in an instant. And I say that because we went from, it would just be, you know, Kevin going out the door to work every day and coming home just like I would. Our children untouched by what we do, just sort of like, how was your day and how was your night kind of thing to a very involved, very emotional experience every time he walked out the door because we had no idea what was going to happen. One, was he going to get sick and bring that back to all of us and what would happen? And two, what was he experiencing when he was there? What was he seeing and how was

he feeling? So my instinct as his wife and the person who's madly in love with him was I was worried about his well-being. What was he walking into this fire every day? But by the grace of God, it was not like that at all. We didn't have that here. It was busy for sure at the beginning and he was working crazy at the beginning. But then it started to level off and people started to get the message don't leave your house don't come to emerge

unless you can't breathe or you have life oh sure you know like you're suffering and you might die and uh people started to listen and And thank God they did. So then what happened was things became exceptionally quiet. Right. Right. So that was also kind of interesting. Just to interject,

because I have an interesting perspective on this too, which is that I had an ER experience in late March because I crashed my bike and I broke my wrist. Right. And I do distinctly remember my greatest fear as I realized this is broken was, oh my God, I have in March was really scary. Yes. Very, very scary time.

Everything was scary. Like we'd walk off the kids and be like, don't touch that tree. Like they were scared of the air. Everything was scary. We were scared to go outside. We were scared of the air. Right. Yeah. So imagine how scared we were in late March to go of the air. Everything was scary. We were scared to go outside. We were scared of the air. Right.

So imagine how scared we were in late March to go to the hospital. And I distinctly remember I had to go. I didn't have a choice. I had a broken wrist. And I'm like, I'm going to mask up. And I'm not going to touch anything. Like I didn't touch anything. And I was like, they have a lot of sanitizer things in there. And I was going like.

Oh, they weren't all in their spacesuits when you walked in? They had a visor and a mat, like they had things going on, but I just remember the experience being, Oh my God, it's empty here. Yeah.

And this is my, the best ER visit I've ever had. Yes. And I had to go multiple times to the fracture clinic that's in St. Joe's and I kept having to go back for different things and it was just so quiet. And then you realize, Oh yeah,

like no one's coming here unless they have to, because they're scared. Like I was scared to go to the hospital. I had to. So it's twofold, right? So part of it is speaks to the larger picture of COVID, which is some, which is, you know, so much of, of our life, what we don't need and what we don't have to do. We shouldn't. That's one of the life lessons of COVID. But the other part of it, which applies to the ER, you don't have to go to the ER when you have a fever. You don't have to go to the ER if you have a stomach ache, right? If it's not life or death, that's what emergency medicine is.

However, that being said, so many people didn't go to Emerge that needed to, and then they had to play catch up. Oh, you're referring to things like, I'm going to guess, well, you don't go to emerge that needed to, and then they had to play catch up. Oh, you're referring to things like I'm going to guess. Well, you don't go to emerge. Like if I felt, let's say I had a lump on my body that I was worried about.

Right. Like I wouldn't go to emergency. But people do. Right. All the time. Cause they don't, not everyone has a doctor. Well,

go to the doctor, find a doctor, stop, you know, but that's the kind of stuff people aren't doing during COVID. And then they find out, Oh, if we had caught this nine months earlier,

your success rate would have been higher. Right. Well, you go to ER. If you go to emerge, what's an ER doctor going to do for you for a lump? Are they going to take you into an emergency surgery for a lump? Right. No. See, I know.

That's why I just assume you might go to a clinic or something. Well, you might get a referral. Sure. From an ER doctor. Yes. A specialist or whatever. But like my, you're right, you know, emergency

room is for emergencies. So it's and also what somebody pointed out at St. Joe's when I was chatting them up during those visits is that if you think you have COVID, you were told not to go to emergency. Like they had a clinic there on the premises, but different, like the clinic, the

testing for COVID place. Like if you think you have COVID. Right. So you weren't getting those. Kevin worked there too. Okay. So he was working there as well. And I guess, of course, he's got a lot of PPE and he's, you know, following protocols and family safe and healthy.

Yeah. He was at the COVID clinic. He was at Emerge. He has his family practice that he was doing all virtually. Did Kevin talk about things during these last eight months? Would he come home and tell you things or was it one of those things where you kept the world separate so he didn't have to bring his work home with him? We never keep anything separate. Everything is on the table with us. So you had a front row seat essentially because you had a perspective of a frontline worker during all this. Yeah. So he,

again, he had his ups and downs. He had his good days and bad days. He had days that were, um, emotionally charged. He saw things and experienced things that was very difficult and days he had to come home and talk. And other days he just needed to come home. I used to say that I would make a big bowl of spaghetti for him and then have a cup of tea. I love spaghetti. I know. It was like comfort food during COVID. I don't know why because he doesn't generally eat a lot of pasta.

I guess the carbs. It was the carbs. He needed to come home and I would make fresh meat sauce. Oh, my God. And he would come home and sometimes it was very late at night and I always waited up. We had a cup of tea. It didn't matter if it was one in the morning, if it was two in the morning, because I wanted him to know that he could let it all out and talk about it. Or if he just wanted to sit in

silence, but he needed to know that I was there and I was there 110% for him. Our frontline workers during this is, uh, have been amazing. And, you know, being a family with a frontline worker, like I just want to, you know, give props and thank your husband for, you know. I'll tell him. The only other, I haven't talked to your husband actually, but just, you know. He's cool. You'd like him. He loves music. You'd love talking to him. One day. Maybe I'll put him on Toronto Mic one day. Oh, he just talked to you about Rush and Queen for two hours.

Oh, okay. Because I have a song loaded up for you and it's not Rush or Queen. I have a song for you though. I'm going to play it in a second. I know it is it you probably don't know the song you probably know the artist though for sure i do uh but uh dr brian goldman yes who hosts the show on cbc radio uh he's been on toronto mic during the pandemic and he's also uh er doctor er physician so uh shout out to brock dr brian goldman shout out to kevin i'm gonna play a little tune. Now, I'm going to just introduce us as we change the topic. You can dance. Would you sing along to this?

For sure. For inspiration. Come on, come on, come on. I'm waiting. Oh, I'm listening for you to take over there. I may break out into dance. Quick, your five favorite Madonna songs. Stop, I have so many.

In no particular order. You can't make me do that. Oh my God, Holiday? Yes, I almost pulled that clip, yeah. It's always Holiday. Vogue. Yep. Huffadome Preach.

Okay. Music. Music, yeah, that's a later one. Music, make this people. Okay, I love getting into the group. Oh my gosh, I have so many. Mike. What's your favorite Madonna album?

Definitely not Ray of Light. I'm assuming you're going to go way back. I thought True Blue or maybe like a... True Blue. Yeah, True Blue. Isn't that the album? No, that's not the album. No? Are you sure?

I think it's an album. I don't think so. Only because I own this album. So I feel like... You do? I'll Google it while you talk. I would say probably like Virgin. I would say.

All right. My favorite... Her tour, her Blonde Ambition tour was my favorite. So the music from Blonde Ambition is my favorite. So the album that has the song True Blue on it is actually called True Blue. And it was, I owned it. That's the last Madonna album I owned. I had it on cassette.

Cassette? Yeah, I had it on cassette. What? Yeah, well, we're going back now. And you're a Walkman? Yeah, what were you listening to in 1986? I guess I had a Walkman. You didn't have CDs in 1980s.

I think that was early for CDs. Anyway, I had True Blue and Cassette. And I loved it. It had Papa Don't Preach and Open Your Heart. It had a lot of good stuff on it. But that's the last Madonna album I personally ever owned. Because then the next album, I decided my taste had changed. And I had no interest in this top 40 pop stuff.

Just me. But you, you stayed with her. And you still love Madonna. I'm very loyal. Yeah, I'm very loyal. You said, I'm going to just bring down into the groove because I want to play a little bit of... Oh, yeah. Listen to her voice.

Now I made it through It's fine. I never found her to have an exceptional voice. She has a much better voice now. Is that right? Yeah. Of course. How does that work? We all evolve.

Okay. We all evolve and become, we grow into our greatness as she has. And if anybody says anything negative about Madonna, I'm going to get very upset. Have you tried to get Madonna on the DL? Which we're going to talk about in a moment. I would

lose my shit. I'll reach out to Madonna's people and say, Dana fucking Levinson wants you, Madonna, on the DL. Just tell her about my arms. Okay, why aren't you wearing a shirt that shows your arms today? I was going to ask you about your pipes.

First of all, it's not warm enough for a tank top. Second of all, you've seen them. You don't need to see them again. Yeah. You get one peek. Remind us what the regimen is to keep those arms in fighting shape. Like, what are you doing? You're such a good interviewer.

Listen to yourself. What are you doing? Remind us a good interviewer. Listen to you. You're so good. What are you doing? Remind us as if I ever told you. Tell us the secret to your success. Oh, I must have trained you well. You could be a reporter. Remind us. I told you. I am a reporter. It's supersetting,

which is high to low or low to high weights repetitive, and that's it. Okay. Bicep curls, tricep curls. I mean, people are going to tune in and they might not have seen your first appearance here and they might be curious, like,

how do I get arms like Dana Levinson? How do I get those pipes? It is, I mean, it is a part of your branding that you have these strong, great arms. Right? That's it? I don't know. Just my arms? You've got lots of things going on there. What about my strong brain? part of your branding that you're, you have these, uh, these strong, great arms, right? Am I, I don't know. No,

I'm saying you got lots of things going on. I'm just listening to like a virgin here. If you saw the pop-up video for like a virgin, you learn that, uh, there's a lion, as you know, there's a lion in this video.

And, uh, I'm trying to remember something to the effect of if, uh, Madonna was menstruating at the time of the recording, the lion could eat her. What are you talking about? Because the lion would smell blood.

Isn't not a shark? Are you confusing? I'm just remembering the pop-up video for Like a Virgin. Like, I distinctly remember that fact. And I remember, because I'm a guy and I don't think like this. And I'm like, oh, wow. Like, they must have had this thing, like, sure, you're not going to be menstruating on these days.

Right? No, I'm just too glad. You're into candid talk. Oh my God. Right? If you're going to record, if you're going to film with a lion. Yeah. Safety protocols have to be in effect here.

And that's one of them that you might not think of right away. But the lion trainer people would probably be well aware of that. Do you want me to speak candidly about menstruation? No, I mean, go ahead. I could. I learned about, you had an episode, and we're going to talk about On The DL now, but you had an episode with a young lady named Georgia.

And again, I listen very closely because, for a variety of reasons, but I listen multiple times. And she was talking about the husband's stitch. Can you tell us what the husband's stitch is? Do you remember? Do I remember? Have one.

The husband's stitch. Oh, you have one? Yeah. Did you disclose that in the... Yeah, I think we all had our extra stitch. Look at his face. I wish you guys could see Mike's face right now. His mouth is hanging open.

He's like, wow, that makes me like you even more. Remember, I'm not totally foreign to this because I have been in the room for four deliveries of babies. Two were by C-section and two were vaginal. I've witnessed them all these four births I've witnessed. C-section, crazy. You didn't see it though. There was the sheet, right? Yeah, but I stood up.

I stood up. Yeah, because I wanted to see what was going on over there. What didn't see it though. There was the sheet, right? Yeah, but I stood up. I stood up. I wanted to see what was going on over there. The body parts on top of her belly. Literally on top. They move things out of the body. Oh, I stood up. How could I not?

I was there for my wife on this side of the curtain. I want to see what's going on the other side, especially because my child is going to be pulled from there. I totally love it. And they still put the curtain up. Like, why? Well, the curtain, I think, is because when you're supporting your partner,

they don't know that you want to see that. Like, that's kind of graphic. Wait a second. Hold on. Is it for the person not giving birth, meaning the partner, or do you think it's for the woman? I think it's for the person not giving birth.

That makes me mad. The woman who's decided to, no, hear me out. Hear me out. The woman has consented to this person being in the room while I deliver. Because I mean, like I said, I've seen two C-sections

and I saw two vaginal births you know there's no curtain for the vaginal births and there's there's lots of stuff happening there and you're helping a lot like i was they ask you the nurse will say hold that leg up and then yeah i had like things i was given tasks like in seinfeld when you go to the you know the dentist watley he's also a guy from malcolm in the, and he's from Breaking Bad, but he gives you tasks when you come to the party, like make sure no one puts a drink on the speaker, you do this, you do that. I had tasks, I had tasks to do, and again, so, so just to go back, so I've been in the room for four births, and I, and I, I still think you need to explain what the husband stitch is. So after a vaginal birth, women, or during a vaginal birth, women often tear.

Their vagina? Yeah. They tear. Because this is a large head that's coming out of there. From their vagina to the perineum, there is a... The anus to the vagina. See, I'm like a doctor. There is a. The anus to the vagina. See, I'm like a doctor. I know these words.

Anus to the vagina. Yeah. That can tear. That tears. And often they're. Often women are stitched. And the stitches dissolve. You don't have to go in.

Like it just dissolves. And it's. You barely feel it. And. But often a doctor will give an extra stitch called the husband stitch that will ultimately make a woman's vagina tighter, the hole smaller. For the partner's penis. Correct. I'm with you now.

Okay. So I had no idea this existed. Yeah. And I don partner's penis. Correct. I'm with you now. Okay. So I had no idea this existed. Yeah. And I don't even, I don't even know. I know there was a stitching there for Jarvis. Yeah. And I have no idea if there was an extra stitch or not. Well, a lot of women get cut first so the head can come out.

So a doctor or literally take a... Like a knife. Like a knife. A scalpel or something. And cut a woman's vagina opening. So they can, in this conversation, which I'm, I'm not uncomfortable with.

I just want to make sure we use the right words and stuff. I'm just trying to use the right verbiage for you because you look uncomfortable. I'm not, I don't mean to look this way. You look weird. I don't mean to look weird at all. That's my look. But I guess this is the kind of stuff you talk about on,

on the deal. Well, we talk about vaginas. We talk about pen we talk about sex divorce okay but in that episode about the where I learned about the husband stitch uh we we learned about uh I guess a passionate romantic loving relationship without sex yeah like Georgia is in a successful sexless marriage. It's their choice because she was left scarred after she received the extra stitch after her first and only childbirth. Right.

That she had very, very, very painful sex after and didn't heal the way she was expected to. Penetration now hurts her. Very much so. So she has opted out of that because of the pain. Yeah. So we decided to talk about it. I thought she'd be a fantastic guest because it is really common.

It's more common than anybody talks about. And as I had expressed to her, I went to my OBGYN, my gynae after I had my first son. And after six weeks, he said, take, you know, get a bottle of wine and some lubrication and have some sex.

Relax. Yeah. Have some sex. You'll be fine. And it hurt. And it was awful. I'm not doing that again for a long time. It's to be, it's, it's, it's a pleasurable thing you do.

But not for everybody. That was the point of the episode. It's not, you know, Kevin listened to that. And he wanted to have a very candid conversation with me. See, it sparked a candid conversation. He said, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. You never told me this. Yes, I did.

But it didn't apply to him because it was when I had my babies with my first husband and it certainly didn't apply. But he said, you know, you need to tell me if you're ever in pain. We need to talk about that. That's not okay. Women can't be in pain. But it is very common. Women have a lot of pain when they have sex. Look at your face.

You're weirded out again. No, I was going to say. Not all the time. I joke and I decided to call it back. Not all the time. And when I say sex, I mean actual intercourse. And it's not, and again, it's in various stages for women's bodies. And it happens to be postpartum is a very painful time for women to have sex.

No, you are i just because i've been through this four times but uh especially with the vaginal birth but even with the c-section birth uh births yeah that hurts the doc says uh six weeks i remember this distinctly like like no intercourse for six weeks well there's things happening in and around that area i will say for that six weeks but and as you know, because you've done it, you've got the little baby feeding on you like maybe every two hours. Who knows? You're a cow. You're just feeding.

It's not a sexy time. You have priorities. It's not a sexy time. But I just distinctly remember like a doctor's like that was part of the orders. Like, okay, no intercourse for six weeks. And that's for a variety of reasons, but particularly let everything heal, heal down there. So it's just, yeah, it's interesting to bring it out

and talk about it because you're right. These are all human things. Yeah, people don't talk about it out loud and men don't understand and they don't hear about it enough. So this was a way of opening up the conversation, sparking conversations between men and women. I've received, I just received a message yesterday

from somebody who said to me that he and his wife have been in a sexless marriage for 20 years. That after their firstborn, that they had tried, you know, but it was so painful for his wife that they just decided to stop having sex and they love each other very much and they've just, you know, but it was so painful for his wife that they just decided to stop having sex and they love each other very much

and they've just, he has supported her. Right. And he's never talked about it with anybody because he's been embarrassed. Well, yes, I can imagine. And to be clear, and this is brought out in that episode and then we are going to go back

in the whole origin story on the DL, but I just want to, this came to mind quickly here. Yeah, because you want to talk about sex because you're my friend. When we talk about sexless marriage, it is intercourseless. Correct. So you can have lots of fun times together, intimate fun times. Yeah, she talked about being creative and being a little bit more time consuming.

Although I didn't understand that part between you and I. I think she's saying it takes longer to climax your partner. For her, anyway, her experience was longer to climax him orally than vaginally. That's my understanding. So he might be a two-minute man of vaginal intercourse. And maybe this is going to take a good 12 minutes here. Oh, good God. That's what I think that was about there.

Look at these conf... Oh, you go. Thank's what I think that was about there. Look at these convos. Look at this. Oh, you go. Thank goodness for on the DL. Okay, so when you quit CTV, what is it now, 18 months? I never call it quit. Hey, what word do you use? When I decided, I like to use loving words because it was a loving departure. Okay, when you parted ways, when you had a mutual uncoupling with CTV Toronto.

Correct, yeah. How did you go from there to where we are today? Like, just give me a... Quite the journey. Yeah, talk to me about the journey and where you're at today with your latest project. When I left there, I distinctly remember saying when I was here for the first time

that I wanted to connect with people. I wanted to continue telling stories that mattered to people, what I used to always refer to as news you can use, but in a much more explorative and deeper kind of way that people would listen. So instead of it being a minute and a half report, which of course has its purpose at its place called the news, I wanted to find a platform where I could do this. So people had an opportunity to talk about things that mattered and that conversations that would resonate. So they are talking about the husband's ditch. They're talking about painful sex

and that women don't always enjoy intercourse the way men think. So I wanted to have that kind of a show and I couldn't visualize how it looked. I didn't know where it was going to live. I ultimately thought, of course, it was going to be TV because I'm a TV human as I can see by the multiple cameras

on you right now you're a video star as they say you are a TV star isn't there a song? Radio Killed video star The Buggles first song ever played on MTV I thought you were going to sing it

and it's a cover the only fun fact about that this is not on do on Toronto Mike. This is not on the DL. So is that that song by the Buggles, Video Killed the Radio Star, is a cover. Nobody knows that. So people think that's an original song. It's actually a cover.

Please continue. So I thought the show was going to be TV. And then it morphed into a YouTube series. And then it was an Instagram, IGTV show and then COVID hit. And I had only produced and released four episodes at that point. And I was approached by a company to host a daily live interview show on Instagram during COVID. That was a health and wellness show about everything you needed to know that was related to COVID. And I thought to myself, I have to get back to doing this,

which is more health-related topics that really helps people. So it was a show around conversations, information that will help people live a better life. And that's where On the DL was born. So we started, I guess it was called On the DL since January. But that's a great title because it works. It's one of those clever titles. And if you think about it, you're like, oh, I get it. Like DL.

Dana Levinson. Dana Levinson. But. Also down low. Correct. Very clever title. So I get zero credit for the title. Dana came up with On the DL.

And okay, so where are you at now? And wait, I'm going to backtrack and tell everybody what happened. So last year when I was here with Mike, when I was leaving, Mike said to me, well, you should just have a podcast. And I was like, oh yeah, yeah, right, sure, whatever. And I kind of blew you off thinking podcast? I'm never going to have

a podcast. You did blow me off now that I think about it. I did blow you off. Get the hell out of my back here. I blew you off because I thought podcast, no. Because you thought you were too good for that because you're a TV star. No, not too good. I had no clue what was entailed in a podcast. Oh, right, because there's a lot of moving parts. I understand.

It's a whole different medium. It's a different industry. I had no idea. Right. And then in the summer, I was perusing my socials as I do every day, and I saw a post that you had put out. I'm very interested in this because I don't quite know this story. Because I feel I'm in this story.

You are in this story. And now I'm paying, finally I'm going to pay attention. And I, I'm not just saying this because this is the truth, but I feel like the universe speaks. So I, there's messaging. I feel like there's messages all around me all the time, every day. And I'm, sometimes things hit me and sometimes they don't. And this was one of those things that hit me. And I went, oh, I had one of the Oprah aha moments.

I went, oh, my God, this is it. I'm telling you. So I'm on LinkedIn and I'm reading a post from Mike Boone that said, hey, you're looking for an awesome producer to produce your podcast. Call me. I went, on the DL needs to be a podcast and I need to call Mike. So I called you. You got on your bike. Yeah, I got on my bike. You got on your bike. You came all the way up to the Eglinton area on your bike. And I think it must have been 35 degrees. It was so hot that day. My favorite temperature. Yeah, me too, actually. And we sat in my backyard and we just hashed it out and you said, you can

do this. You actually can do this and you're going to be able to do it well. And you were one of the first that really believed. And I thought, wow, if he believes that I can do this, I guess I can. I love this story for obvious reasons, but wow. Okay. That's so, cause, cause even though a year ago, it was over a year ago that you were in my basement for your first visit.

From basement to backyard. From basement to backyard. Exactly. And it's nicer out here, right? Yeah. When COVID's gone. Yeah.

On days like this, I'm going to do it out here anyway. Good. Cause why go in the basement when it's a day like this? Like, why haven't I been doing this for eight years? Like, why have I been in the basement? Silver lining of COVID. Here we are, outside.

I've always said, get outside. It's so many things have changed forever due to this pandemic here. But okay, so many things. And I always think my wife is working from home right now. And I'm like, all those years? Because I haven't worked from home since 2013, I think it was. So it's been a while since I, I mean, sorry, did I say that? I have been working from home since 2013.

I knew what you meant. I know what you meant, but I have to clarify for people. But now that my wife's been working from home for nine months, it's like, like she gets more done. Like I see her, she works hard. She's productive. She has a great, you know. We should talk about that for a second. I don't want to interrupt but i i want i just when i had mentioned i saw someone yesterday from ctv she said to me this i'm

telling you this because you'll understand in a second she said are you bored i went bored i am up before the sun literally up before the sun every day i do not see my bedroom, like go upstairs for a break or anything, five seconds to myself until 11 p.m., maybe 11.30 p.m. every day. I am working, working, working. And she said, are you bored? I'm like, bored. You wish. I would love five seconds to be bored. Like this right now we are doing is so relaxing. I'm loving this. I hope this doesn't end. Should I be recording this?

I just thought we were shooting the shit here. Yeah, we're just shooting the shit. So Monica is working her ass off, by the way. Even women who are working from home, there's actually an episode on the DL coming up with Rhiannon Rosalind, who is the CEO from the Economics Club of Canada. She's the most inspirational, sensational woman you will ever meet, literally.

And she comes on and talks about our feminine economy and what has happened to women during the pandemic. And so don't sell your wife short. She's working her ass off. All this was to say. I just want you to know her break right now is running to Costco to shop for the family. And that is not a break for two things. And I'm not taking anything away from Monica who does work very hard. And she's an amazing mother and an amazing stepmother like yourself and an amazing wife.

Like I have, I just love her to pieces. Just like, I think I love Monica as much as you love Kevin. Is that possible? Of course. It's beautiful. Yeah, I know. Second chances are cool. One is, I dropped off the two little ones this morning.

Until three-ish, there's no one home but us two. So us two adults are the only people home until three-ish. Oh my God, what we would do. Sorry. Did I just say that out loud? No, I... Sorry. Oh, that was so fun.

Kevin was home and just died. Oh, sorry. Okay, so... Oh my God, I'm going to get in trouble here. No, you can't get in trouble for that. He's your husband. You can't get in trouble. No, but I mean, people are going to say, what is...

Yeah, that would be my break. It's called afternoon delight. I would die for it. I would actually... I can't believe I'm saying this out loud. I've become so candid and raw. But I would love that. If he's listening.

Darling, come home. He should be listening. We have high school children. They're at home. Right now, Michelle is here sometimes. But she's still going into school. Because she's doing a hybrid thing. And she's currently at her mom's house.

And my oldest is in Waterloo, Ontario. So anyway, there's no one here right now until three ish. And then the two little ones will come back. But then my point was when this pen, when we all get vaccinated and things at some point start to open up and become normalized somehow back to the way it was,

Monica should still work from home. This is my point. She should still be here even when it's safe to go to, you know, she was going to one young street, like even when it's safe to go to you know she was going to one young street like even when it's safe to go to the office and stuff because uh there's i think that we're learning from covid what i learned a long time ago which is that i'm super efficient and effective uh working from my home office anyway that's where i was going with that

then it turned into afternoon delight okay so on the dl you saw this linkedin post uh by yours truly and you reached out i remember i was uh raking or i don't know what i was doing i was to afternoon to late. Okay, so on the DL, you saw this LinkedIn post by yours truly and you reached out. I remember I was raking or I don't know what I was doing. I was doing something, some work back here. Like hey, date 11.

Reading or something and we had a long chat and then I got on my bike and I went and visited you and then we launched On the DL. On the DL is a podcast. You could literally pause this

if you're listening to this as a podcast. You can pause it and you can subscribe to On The DL everywhere you get Toronto Mic'd. So if you're hearing this, you know, everywhere,

you know, Apple, Stitcher, I'm going to run down all the places you can get podcasts, but you know where you get podcasts. If you listen to podcasts and you clearly do, because you're listening to us, subscribe to On The DL.

We had a little chat about some episodes, but there was a very good conversation that this one has dropped. It was Michael Landsberg. And you and Michael, like you have a history together? You worked for the same company. Like, did you ever see each other in the lunchroom or something like that? Because you had good rapport with him.

We did not see each other in the cafeteria. I'm sure I saw him over the years at the CTV studios, TSN studios, but I've interviewed Mike before. Uh, he doesn't like to be called Mike.

Don't you know? Sorry. Yeah. Sorry. Cause Mike's fixed cars. Sorry. That's right. Cause he's of the opinion.

You're somehow, it's not good to be someone who fixes cars. I feel the opposite. Right. I wish I could fix cars. Right. Call me Mike. Okay. I wish I could fix cars. Right. Call me Mike. Okay.

He said, call him Michael. So I've interviewed Michael, um, uh, around the bell. Let's talk day, uh,

mental health issues, sick, not weak. His organization, sick, not weak. Um, he's helped so many people,

his authenticity and candidness around depression and anxiety really has sparked a conversation for the better it's really helped thousands and thousands of people so we have connected on that professionally um and i thought he'd be a fantastic guest and he was and he was and uh fabulous shout out as well to uh fotm aaron Davis, because this one hasn't dropped yet, but there's a good one coming. There's a lot, a lot of great episodes are coming and a lot of great episodes to come. And if you're looking for,

I mean, I often use the hashtag real talk for this program. I've been doing so for eight years. And if you're, and I think if you're looking for a different perspective, like this would be the, the Dana, I was going to say,

well, you are, you're a woman, you're a woman. I am. A woman's perspective with real talk and candid real talk on the DL

would be right up your alley and I urge everybody to. Men should listen. Oh yeah, well, I'm telling you the things I learned. But I'm still stuck on something that she confirmed this. They call it the husband stitch? They do. I had never heard that before. I was so offended husband stitch? They do. I had never heard that

before. I was so offended. I was so gross. I was actually grossed out because I could, I just it takes me back to that moment where I feel like my gynecologist and my ex-husband had a

moment. They had an eye exchange and they had a moment. And he winked at the gynecologist and he put in some more had a moment they had an eye exchange and they had a moment and he winked at the gynecologist and he just put in some more stitches I just feel like they had this moment and I could elbow both of them in the face for it but you know I healed and I'm fine I'm just saying that there's so many women out there that it's like as as if it wasn't enough that we carry a baby in our belly our whole body body changes. We gain 100 pounds. And now we have to push this watermelon out of a lemon. And you're winking at each other about what's the state of my whole.

Right. Like how tight will she be in a couple of months time? Gross. Like it's all freaking gross. Because I don't understand why by default, put it back to the way it was. Like the way nature made it. Leave it alone.

It'll go back. Trust me. Everything else does. Oh, but you have to stitch up the rippage. Rippage. Is that a word? Is rippage a word? I just invented a word.

Rippage. Anyways, the tear. The tear between the anus and the vagina. The perineum. Perineum? Perineum. Perineum. The perineum needs to be stitched.

Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't. Really? I perineum needs to be stitched. Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't. Really? I just assume that need to be stitched because that's a tear. Well, naturally, sometimes it naturally tears and it naturally heals. Sometimes you have to cut it so that you have to stitch it. It just depends. Okay.

But when you're stitching the perineum, it should be just the perineum should be stitched. Don't take it. Don't do an extra stitch to make, to the vagina. Correct. And most doctors don't. Most doctors don't. Georgia was bringing light to a subject that happens often. But most of the, not most, every conversation we have on the DL are conversations that happen often just

not out loud. So I have a guest that's coming in a couple weeks that will be talking about adultery and people who choose to have sex while married with other people, not including their partner, and they

seek organizations to go and have sex. And they don't tell their partner about this? I don't know. Maybe they do. Cause I feel like I feel I'm of the opinion that if your partner, uh, I want to say blesses, but,

uh, approves of this activity, it's not being unfaithful. Like the unfaithful comes from the fact you're doing it behind your partner's back and your partner, uh, is not agreeable to this. Right.

Of course. Right. I know. I just point. uh, we'll find out. We're going to, we're going to talk about Right. Of course. Right. I know. I just point. So, uh, we'll find out. We're going to,

we're going to talk about it. We'll find out. Apparently the, um, stats are pointing towards, um, more adultery during the pandemic, which I find bananas to be honest,

because I said this, I was talking to Kevin about this last night and I said, but that seems crazy to me that people during a pandemic are seeking sex with strangers and yet we're masked up and we're, we're isolating, but they're going to have sex with a stranger. And he said, just think about how miserable people are.

Oh, it's like, it outweighs, right? Like the, the risk of COVID outweighs the risk of having an affair because you're so miserable being isolated with that one person. To bring it back to yesterday's with Kevin Frankish, like that could be a coping mechanism,

not a good one, like not one that we recommend or condone here, but a coping mechanism to somebody who's feeling the anxiety and depression that a lot of people are feeling during this COVID times, that, you know, some people might drink too much. Some people might eat too much. Some people might do this. Well, we have an episode about eating disorders as well during the pandemic. Wow. Eating too much and eating too less.

So there's really very hard to find that middle ground right now. People are either saying that it's COVID-15, like they've gained 15 or they've lost 15. So I can happily say that I have stayed healthy and I've stayed the same. Well, you're still doing your walks. Yes. I know this because you'll sometimes call me on a walk. Not sometimes. I would say mostly.

It's a good time to talk yesterday I had a professional conversation with somebody who I had said I'm out I'm taking this as a walking meeting and they weren't impressed really? I don't think so that to me is a what do you want me to sit down and focus on your words I can't walk and talk

well he had mentioned he thought I would be in front of the computer no it's 22 degrees outside. I'm going for a walk. Right. And plus, I have a new baby. Okay, yeah.

I teased this enough. I've talked about the bow wow and everything. I've got my baby. This is not a homo sapien baby. No, it's a fur baby. It's canine? Mm-hmm.

It's my puppy that I've been waiting for for 15 years. Okay, talk to me about that. Like, why did you wait so long? Were you waiting for the kids to get older? Like, why did you wait 15 years? Well, I had two huskies. Oh. I had two

huskies before, Siberian huskies, Elias and Angel. They're my babies. Okay. I didn't know. And Angel got sick first 14 years ago. She had a brain tumor. She was nine and she was diagnosed and died a month later. Very tragic.

And then Elias died six months after she did from what the vet called a broken heart. And I was devastated. I had my first son at the time. And then after my second dog died, I said, I need another baby right now. So I got pregnant right away. And. Oh, a real baby. A real baby. And I said, I'm not having dogs anymore. I can't do that. Because you have to bury dogs. You're still of an age where you're going to be this newbie. That sounds terrible, but you will bury this dog. Yeah, but don't say that. I can't talk about it. And so I couldn't bear it. And when my kids were very, very young, four and three,

sorry, four and one years old, I became a single mother. And the idea of shift work, working in TV, crazy hours, and raising two little boys on my own, I thought throwing in a puppy in there probably wasn't a great idea. And my kids have been asking for a dog. Specifically, my youngest child has been asking for a dog. And how old is your youngest now? He's 13.

And since he's been able to say the word dog, he's been asking for a dog. So I got the ball rolling last summer when I had left CTV. One of my items on my wish list was, okay, it's time to get a puppy. And I wanted a golden retriever. I've wanted a golden retriever forever and ever. It's a good family dog. I really wanted a retriever.

I love my huskies, but I really wanted a retriever. So I got the ball rolling well before COVID. And he just, he came during COVID. When did you, what month did he arrive? August. And how's the puppy training going? Awesome. Awesome.

Sometimes I'm recording with you and I hear the puppy and I want him. It's not him. Him, sorry. That was only once. What's the name of this? Okay. So what's the name? That wasn't him.

Yeah. His name is Rebel. All right. That wasn't him. That was probably outside George's window now that I think about the name of this? Okay. So what's the name? That wasn't him. Yeah. His name is Rebel. All right. That wasn't him. That was probably outside George's window now that I think about it. Rebel. Okay. You want to know the reference of Rebel.

You have Madonna. Yeah. Rebel Heart. There's somebody on Twitter. I want to shout him out by name because it's such a great effort. Blair Kerrigan. Hi, Blair. He tweeted at us a half an hour ago.

Yeah, I know Blair. He's tweeted. Okay. He screen capped you. By the way, I'm telling you right now, I thought this was a picture of a young Christina Applegate. Okay, because there's this... He said that or you did?

No, this is me. I'm looking at the pic now. It's a screen cap of the video, but it had the sun flare on it. You look like you're a heavenly body and there's sun flare. Shout out to Stu Stone, star of heavenly bodies. But there's Madonna behind you. Like he photoshopped madonna

behind you i have to see that you will you'll see it because you're tagged on it but it just looks amazing this uh so thank you blair thanks blair thank you blair for that uh but yeah i know rebels uh definitely a madonna reference uh yeah and congrats on the puppy and things are going well there last my segue over here is to last time you were on, I opened the episode with a song. You didn't know the song. You didn't know the song at all. But when we started working together, you know,

we spent a lot of time talking to each other and recording together over the last couple of months. It's been a pleasure to work with you. You know, you're just a delight. Same. Feel the same about you. Love it. And then I started singing this song more and more just to delight. Same. I feel the same about you. Love it. And then I started singing this song

more and more just to myself. In fact, and here I'll start it. I'll start it. You still don't know this song, but listeners of Toronto Mike know this song and this band. So I'll just let it play

while I tell you that I started singing this song so often I realized I needed to get Mike Treblecock. His name is Mike Treblecock. And I needed, he's a lead singer, founder. So this is the Killjoys, and they're from Hamilton. And they had an album I loved very much in the 90s called Starry. And this song, Dana, was one of the great songs on that album. And that album, this song, had great video airplay on Much Music.

Who was that written for or about which uh i can find out because mike treblecock is coming on toronto mike so this is where this all came out of the fact for me of course i'm in fact if i'm smart note to self i'll pull that clip and let dana ask uh well do you want to do it right now do you want to do uh do you want to ask mike treblecock right now you want to do a... Do you want to ask Mike Treblecock right now? Is it Mike or Michael? It's Mike. He fixes cars.

So many Mikes. Yeah. Very popular name, Mike. A lot of Mikes out there. Did you ever date a Mike? I didn't think about that. I think you probably... I mean, it depends how many people you dated.

Not many. It's tough to date people born in the 60s or 70s or 80s and not uh date a mike i don't think i dated a mike and if i did i apologize i don't remember you all right go ahead and ask mike treblecock uh what dana's about go so mike where is the dana reference from want to know where the song and why the song was written. And was it written about Dana Levinson? I don't think it was. You weren't on the TV.

No. When did you start? 19 years. So 2000? 2000. CTV. Yeah, yeah. January 11th, 2000.

My first day there. This is a 1994 song. So absolutely. Oh gosh. Think what I was doing in 1994. Never mind, Michael. Oh. So Dana Levinson.

You didn't say it properly. Dana fucking Levinson. Thank you. Michael. On the DL. Oh, now you're calling me Michael because that's out of respect for Michael Landsberg's opinion that Mike's fixed cars uh uh on the dl people should subscribe obviously uh and you know you talked about when you when you left this place here in my basement studio a year ago and

or maybe it's like 18 months ago maybe and you said that you needed to leave CTV Toronto in order to find what you were supposed to be doing. Are we there yet? Like, I guess you'll disclose what you're comfortable disclosing. You don't have to disclose anything if you don't want to. But is there any exciting announcements around on the DL you want to make? Or do you want to keep that for a later time?

Which part are you talking about? Well, I don't want to say it because it's not my exciting announcement to make. keep that for a later time. Which part are you talking about? Well, I don't want to say it because I don't, I don't, it's not my exciting announcement to make. And I don't know if you're able to make it yet. Which part do you want me, well, you're asking me, am I there yet? So which part do you want to answer? Well, there's two questions here.

Are you there yet? And is there any news on the, I don't know, the monetary front? Like I'm just teasing something that I know, but I don't know it as something fit for public consumption. It sure is public consumption. I'm very proud and I'm honored. I was approached by a fantastic company. I'm sure everybody has heard of Capital Direct. You know the song, Capital Direct.ca.

That's not my voice, but I was asked by the company to become their new spokesperson. And I very happily said yes, I would love to do that because they help people. So, and I'm all about, you know, brands and companies that I'm aligning with. I want it to be about helping people because that's what On The DL does. And I had said, I'd love to be your spokesperson. Would you be interested in sponsoring my new podcast? And they said, absolutely.

Did they say absolutely or abso-fucking-lutely? I was about to say abso-fucking-lutely, but they don't speak like that. Every single person from that company is so proper and lovely that I don't think they've sworn. Or maybe they do, but not professionally. They're just speak like that. Every single person from that company is so proper and lovely that I don't think they've sworn. So maybe they do, but not professionally. They're just not like that. So they said absolutely. They said absolutely, whatever you like, whatever you need, literally.

And I was blown away by their generosity and how accommodating they are. And really, to be honest, for the first time, notwithstanding our conversation that we had this summer, but really believe in me and the brand and what I've done and what I've built in the last 20 years. And I haven't felt that way in so long, and I just felt so inspired to do a good job for them

and to be out there. And so it's cyclical. It's a really nice relationship that I'm building with them. So they're the title sponsor of On The DL. Well, congratulations. Thank you very much. So yes, I am making money now, I guess you'd say. Well, yeah, of course you can say that. Yeah, it's real talk there. Doing now. I guess you'd say that. Well, yeah.

Can you say that? Of course you can say that. Yeah. That's real talk there. Doing well, I guess. You could say that too. And am I reading between the lines correctly that you'll actually be on television

talking about Capital Direct? Yes. Like you're going to film television ads. So it's not just ads on the DL. No. So we're going to be doing commercials and hopefully a new campaign around how the company is helping people.

Like you're the spokesperson for... Yeah, I'd like to help people. I mean, really make it more accessible for people to understand that there are financial institutions to help people right now because a lot of people are suffering really badly during this pandemic. Things have changed for a lot of people.

So there has to be a way instead of just going to one of the big banks and selling your soul to try to keep your mortgage or your, you know, food on the table. Well, this is exciting. So congratulations for that. Thank you. That's great news. I wasn't sure if it was public yet.

So I realized as I realized, oh, yeah, we're live on Periscope right now. So just let her know what you're fishing for and see if she's ready to show. And then the other part of that question was, am I there yet? I'm getting there. I feel every time we, I say we because you're part of every conversation I have on the DL. You're in the background. You're my little bird on my shoulder recording it all. uh recording it all but um i feel like uh after every interview i just feel so incredible like this is what i'm supposed to be doing i'm supposed to be talking to people

about things that matter but i'm hoping that this that this is not it that there is still way more for me and where on the DL lands after the next several months or years, still up in the air. We can have this conversation in a year, but I will say this in parting that a year ago I said these words and I probably didn't say them here. But a friend of mine reminded me of this and said, you said you wanted to be on Apple. And here I'm on apple i'm on itunes okay yeah you were on apple podcast how cool is that that's yeah i know you're not an apple person but i said i wanted to be on apple whether it was apple tv or apple itunes i wanted to be on apple as i point to the macbook that's literally recording this combo right now but i want apple you're on apple i if you go into any if're on Apple, yes. If you go into any, if you even Google on the DL

or you go into Apple iTunes or Spotify and you put in on the DL, there you see me and I'm... And it's a great photo too. Good job. Excellent artwork and it's very eye-catching. Excellent.

And yeah, I know. I mean, I'm so happy to be on this journey with you and I can't wait to see where it goes because I believe in you and you're doing great stuff here. Thanks, Mike. So that's great news about Capital Direct and On The DL and yourself being the spokesperson there. You mentioned, you know, the pandemic has been tough in a variety of ways on people financially, economically. I'm just going to share something.

I don't think I've ever shared this publicly before. Of course you're going to share it because you're with me. I don't think I've ever shared this publicly before. Of course you're going to share it because you're with me. I've been, for weeks now, I've been volunteering my time with something called Toronto Miracle. So it only made sense. A guy named Toronto Mike had to volunteer with Toronto Miracle. In fact, on Saturday, Jordan, who I know better as Jordy, who I've known for a very long time,

is going to be on Toronto Mike to talk in great detail about Toronto Miracle. But I just want people to know, Toronto Miracle is happening on December 5th at 10 a.m. And the big ask, and there'll be more details on Saturday's episode, but the big ask is that residents of Toronto leave a non-perishable food item on their doorstep, you know, clearly marked for Toronto Miracle, because we have volunteers who are going to collect these donations and redistribute it to those in need in the community. Food banks are in dire straits, and this miracle on December 5th, we're hoping to, we have a pretty aggressive

target in terms of the amount of non-perishable food items we want to collect. And again, more details coming, but this is just the first time publicly, I think I did tweet this, but I haven't actually said it yet on Toronto Mic'd, that December 5th at 10 a.m., the Toronto Miracle, there's a lot more information. You can become a volunteer if you want to help out, and you can register, and a lot more information. Again, we're going to talk about this in great detail on Saturday, but you can go right now to torontomiracle.org. And that reminds me, you have a new website.

So I want people to go to danalevenson.com. It's a brand new website with some great pics. Fabulous designer, Thistle Leaf. They're thistleleaf.com. Okay, yeah. Good stuff there. It. Okay. Yeah. Fantastic. Oh, she was awesome. Good stuff there. It was amazing.

Yep. And last but not least, this year's Holidays and Hope Candlelight Service of Remembrance. It's a live online event this year. COVID has forced it online, but I'm glad it's still happening. It's basically the good people at Ridley Funeral Home. That's a local funeral home to where we are right now. And just the owner, Brad Jones, is a great FOTM. He was actually at

TMLX6, which we held in September in a public park. And he's just been a great supporter. When he sees me in the rain, he runs over with Ridley Funeral Home umbrellas. He sees it's getting colder. He brings over toques. What a supporter of the Real Talk. And I want people to know that this event, you'll receive comforting messages, enjoy live music and reflect on your loved one's life

and legacy. So if anyone listening to us right now has lost somebody in 2020, please register to attend this event online. It's Wednesday, December 2nd at 7pm. You can RSVP. They're at 416-259-3705. Or you can just write them an email. Contact us at ridleyfuneralhome.com. Dana fucking Levinson Mike do you think I'm ever going to be as good as you

seriously you're so good oh please Dana you're so good you're so good at what you do flattery will get you everywhere it always has I will say I like hearing you on the mics here you do you like hearing me on the mics

my mics like you your mics like me I do. You like hearing me on the mics. My mics like you. Your mics like me. All the mics on this deck love you. I want a mic like this. Why don't I have a mic? You've got to come over and set me up.

This is way better than what I have. Right? Well, you're USB micing and you're as good as it gets for USB micing, but you're not USB here.

Stop right now. You're not as good as you get. You are way better than you think than that. For USB mics, your mic not as good as you get. You are way better than you think. Than that. For USB mics, your mic is as good as it gets.

I get way better than that. Is what I say. And you don't need to limit yourself to USB mics. But this is a conversation we can certainly have. That's what I do. And Dana, that brings us to the end of our 749th show. Thanks, Michael. You can follow... Michael again.

You can follow me on Twitter. I'm at Toronto Mike. Now, Dana, I want to hear the whole list because I know you're on Twitter, but you're very active on Instagram. Share with us how people can follow you. I'm at Dana Levinson on Instagram, Dana Levinson on Facebook,

at Dana TV. Dana Levinson on Instagram, Dana Levinson on Facebook, at Dana TV. Dana Levinson TV. No. Yeah, Dana Levinson TV. Sorry. On Twitter. I'm here to keep you on track. Don't worry.

Oh, my God. I'm your producer. I've got so many. LinkedIn is Dana Levinson. Yes? Yes? Yeah. It's not just Dana Levinson, but Twitter has the TV on it.

Because someone else took Dana Levinson. Can you believe? And oh, by the way, when you, let's say you just Google Dana Levinson or DanaLevinson.com, a website comes up and it's Dane Levinson. Yeah. It's not me. It's Dana. This is Dana, not Dane.

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